Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2013-08-05

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02:13 Muthua[RCo] hello Rosetta folks
02:13 Muthua[RCo] I'm signed up to add support for a Indian language (Tamil) script based programming language
02:14 Muthua[RCo] and I've started off with some http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Factorial#Ezhil (factorial) and I plan to add more
02:14 Muthua[RCo] is there anything I can watch out for?
02:14 fedaykin "Factorial - Rosetta Code"
02:16 RRR2 lol
02:17 ttmrichter Muthua[RCo]: You can probably watch for a bunch of Anglos whining about how English is the language of computing.  :)
02:17 Muthua[RCo] I don't follow, I must be missing a insider joke?
02:17 Muthua[RCo] I suspected.
02:18 Muthua[RCo] well point taken :-)
02:18 ttmrichter Muthua[RCo]: I've found that programmers, who are predominantly English-using, tend to whine loudly when they see keywords in a language they don't understand.
02:18 ttmrichter I always get the urge to make a language based on Chinese to tick them off.  :)
02:18 RRR2 that'd be amazing
02:19 Muthua[RCo] its not all that uncommon. I've been in this space for a while, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages
02:19 fedaykin "Non-English-based programming languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://rldn.net/C4B
02:19 ttmrichter RRR2: It'd be even more amazing if I made it based on a Forth-like system.
02:19 RRR2 however there would be a lot of problems
02:19 Muthua[RCo] +fedaykin same thing
02:19 RRR2 If I could I'd make a german C-like rpogram
02:19 Muthua[RCo] its always some subset of language;
02:20 RRR2 I kinda get lost without the {}
02:20 ttmrichter Whereas I hate the curly blight.
02:20 RRR2 why
02:20 Muthua[RCo] ** begin Holy War **
02:20 ttmrichter Mostly because C had ruined two generations of computing with its sloppy-assed approach to everything.
02:21 Muthua[RCo] I'll join the no-curly  brace camp.
02:23 Muthua[RCo] I wonder if Rosetta goes Babel-y
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02:27 ttmrichter I have to say, Ezhil looks cool.
02:27 ttmrichter I love scripts like Tamil and the various Devanagari ones.
02:27 ttmrichter They look very nice to my eyes.
02:27 ttmrichter So having a programming language in them is just nice.
02:28 Muthua[RCo] Thanks for the appreciation. Tamil is Dravidian (South Indian) and has  Brahmi script.
02:28 ttmrichter I know.  :)
02:29 Muthua[RCo] Even better!
02:29 ttmrichter Hence "and the" ...
02:29 RRR2 wait
02:29 RRR2 how curly ruins anything
02:29 ttmrichter It's not the curlies that ruin everything.
02:29 Muthua[RCo] ** I hope it gets adopted as introduction to CS for Tamil numeracy.
02:29 ttmrichter It's the C influence that does.
02:29 ttmrichter Curly is just a sign of Yet Another Language Designer Ruined by C.
02:30 Muthua[RCo] +ttmrichter Tamil has a different (from English) SVOA structure, and I try to capture it in this design.
02:30 Muthua[RCo] +RRR2 - my 30s elevator pitch is complete. Now I'll stop interrupting the other conversation.
02:31 ttmrichter If I ever go through with my Chinese-based language I'll have to take into account the subtly different structure of Chinese as well.
02:31 ttmrichter Superficially Chinese is SVO, but ... it isn't quite.
02:31 Muthua[RCo] I see
02:31 Muthua[RCo] It is tonal
02:32 ttmrichter That's lexis, not syntax.
02:32 ttmrichter Tone is part of the word, not part of grammar nor semantics.
02:32 ttmrichter (By way of comparison, English intonation is firmly in the semantics side of things.)
02:33 ttmrichter (With a bit of overlap in syntax.)
02:34 Muthua[RCo] something like that i vaguely understand
02:35 RRR2 the thin with chinese is that it has too many characters
02:35 RRR2 thing*
02:35 RRR2 it probably may not work at all
02:35 ttmrichter That's like saying "the thing with English is that it has too many words".
02:36 RRR2 Well, I know nothing but I recognize some radicals
02:36 ttmrichter http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E48%99%E6%AD%A3%E6%AD%A3
02:36 fedaykin "8欐姝 - 维基百科,自由的百科全书" http://rldn.net/15vxi
02:36 ttmrichter Read the code on that page.
02:36 ttmrichter It's 99.44% Chinese in the code sample.
02:36 ttmrichter Seems to work just fine.
02:38 ttmrichter Unfortunately it still uses English-style structures (being a thin papering over of C++), so I don't really count it as a Chinese programming language.
02:38 Muthua[RCo] All rite guys, gtg. Sleepy time here in east coast. Thanks for enlightening conversations and healthy interest in diversity at Rosetta Code.
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04:24 eMBee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezhil_(programming_language) says: "Ezhil language syntactic sugar is arranged to allow a sentence structure closer to Tamil language, where the subject succeeds the verbs, unlike the SVOA structure of English language." but tamil is mainly SOV
04:24 fedaykin "Ezhil (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://rldn.net/RwBg
04:32 * eMBee is torn on this subject. on one hand, a tryly international language would use symbols only and no keywords, but on the other such a language is harder to learn (see APL), and the easiest is using native script for keywords.
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