Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2013-12-19

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18:25 ivanshmakov Curiously, why does /not/ Rosetta Code support HTTPS as of yet?
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22:04 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: Time and money.
22:04 mikemol|zoe Though I do figure on doing a full switch over in six months or so.
22:07 ivanshmakov My guess is that a certificate from CAcert.org would still be better than no HTTPS at all.
22:09 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: Sure. But then we come back to time.
22:10 mikemol|zoe really hoping to have RC migrated to a new server by the end of this weekend.
22:10 ivanshmakov mikemol|zoe: ACK.
22:10 mikemol|zoe Once that's done, and the software is updated, I'll looking at SSL again.
22:12 mikemol|zoe One problem I'll face is I'll have to start paying CloudFlare for a pro plan so I can add SSL.
22:18 ivanshmakov mikemol|zoe: Well, that may depend on how busy the resource is, but my usual choice is to order a “generic virtual server,” on top of which I can put whatever service I fancy (be it HTTP, HTTPS, ESMTPSA, Git, Rsync, SIP, or anything else.)
22:18 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: That's what I've had going on for the past six years. The traffic got to be too much.
22:19 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: CloudFlare is like a distributed squid proxy; there are caching proxies all over the world that pull from my server in California.
22:19 mikemol|zoe But for SSL to be visible to the end user, it has to be done at those squid proxies.
22:23 mikemol|zoe Seriously, the traffic got ugly. We were getting 6k visits per day or so, and I don't remember how many page views. And that was outside of load spikes when we'd get a lot of referral traffic.
22:23 mikemol|zoe Now we're getting 12k unique visits per day, and about 18k pageviews.
22:23 mikemol|zoe And the server still crawls.
22:24 mikemol|zoe Anyway, I've got to get back to work.
22:25 ivanshmakov mikemol|zoe: ACK. (I’d say, however, that it’s rather for these proxies to be able to /cache/ “HTTPS” traffic it’s necessary to do SSL on their side. Which is the point of using them in the first place.)
22:25 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: I intend for all traffic to rosettacode to be over HTTPS eventually. The proxies will doing the encryption there.
22:26 mikemol|zoe But to do that, I have to pay CloudFlare something like $30/mo. That's not including the purchase price of a cert.
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22:28 ivanshmakov mikemol|zoe: The prices for the certificates start around $100 (IIRC) a year, so that’s not quite a figure when compared to the CloudFlare prices.
22:29 ivanshmakov (And again, there’s CAcert.)
22:37 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: $100/yr is $8.33/mo. $30/mo adds up to $360/yr.
22:38 mikemol|zoe All told, $460/yr isn't horrid. But I'm currently paying $432 just for hosting. In the process of moving that to a server sponsored by my employer, after which funds will be freed up to get SSL working properly.
22:39 mikemol|zoe I'm just as annoyed by government intrusion into public networks as the next guy. Probably more so. But I'm constrained by practical concerns.
22:39 mikemol|zoe And a CACert cert would be a very bad thing for the vast majority of my traffic, in all honesty.
22:39 mikemol|zoe I like what they're doing, and I think it's good, but they don't have enough inclusion-by-default.
22:39 mikemol|zoe Anyway...back to work.
22:45 ivanshmakov FWIW, I know of no reason that’d keep the private sector “less evil” than the government. Especially when a business gets Really Big. Check, e. g.: http://airs.com/ian/essays/l​ibertarian/libertarian.html.
22:47 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: I'm only going to say this once. I keep my political views separate from Rosetta Code as much as possible. It's necessary.
22:48 mikemol|zoe If you want to get into politics, philosophy and economics with me, find me in a different context. :)
22:49 mikemol|zoe But RC is definitely not a place to discuss "more evil" versus "less evil", except in jest, and even then in some tangential context around programming.
22:49 ivanshmakov My point is that should it not be government, it would be the corporations to intrude the public networks.
22:50 ivanshmakov Alternatively: HTTPS is still a must, whatever are the government deeds.
22:50 mikemol|zoe ivanshmakov: The point is offtopic.
22:50 mikemol|zoe OK, I agree HTTPS is important.
22:50 mikemol|zoe That doesn't change practical considerations. And, seriously, I have to get back to work.

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