Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #salt, 2013-11-10

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00:04 bezaban are there any good alternative choices for templating language?
00:04 bezaban I've learned to hate yaml from using an application with a very strict parser
00:05 bezaban oh and can you use tabs in salt or is it 2-4-6 spaces all the way?
00:05 bezaban w/yaml
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00:09 joehh bezaban: I've always used spaces
00:10 bezaban other places I've used it, it wont parse with tabs
00:14 jjasinski_ Hey all, in one of my states, I'm file.director with recurse. I'd like to add group write permissions to everything in that directory tree (chmod g+w).  However, if I use the mode, file_mode, or dir_mode parameters, I must use the octal representation (i.e. 0664 for files), which changes more than the group permissions.  (This has the side-effect of making executable files non-executable).  Is there a way to do
00:14 jjasinski_ the equivalent of chmod g+s in salt?
00:15 jjasinski_ (actually, maybe cmd.run would work... but would be nice to use something built-in if exists)
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01:00 * jcockhren is kicking himeself.
01:01 forrest jcockhren, you should take a break
01:01 jcockhren should've been using pydsl from the start
01:01 forrest go get some food depending on where you're at, or just talk a walk around the block, that always helps me think. Though you do look like a crazy person doing that sometimes.
01:02 jcockhren forrest: I'm about to grab some sushi. I'm just so amazed at how I over looked pydsl all this time
01:02 forrest :( yea pydsl is pretty neat
01:03 forrest or are you talking about the salt renderer specifically?
01:03 jcockhren I have a pydsl (and yaml now) state that dumps a mysql db to s3 datetime stamped. The scheduler is already there. connecting to two now
01:03 forrest ahh nice
01:03 jcockhren salt renderer
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01:05 jcockhren brb
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01:07 bezaban what are the benefits of salt-ssh if I'm running everything at the same location?
01:07 forrest bezaban, that salt isn't installed on your minions
01:08 bezaban forrest: but obviously ssh needs to be?
01:08 forrest yes
01:08 forrest honestly salt-ssh is a downgrade in every sense from normal salt, it's only useful when you can't install the minions on servers, for example because they use an outdated version of python or something.
01:08 forrest or for security, etc.
01:09 bezaban is it more secure?
01:09 forrest only in the sense you aren't installing the minion on your server. Some places might not be ok any 'extra' software living on the box
01:10 bezaban can the salt-master run local scripts with gathered grains?
01:10 forrest what do you mean?
01:10 bezaban I'm looking to get the mac and ip address of some machines and place host entries in dhcpd.conf
01:11 bezaban can just parse it all with sed and place the entries
01:11 bezaban but would be interesting if salt could do it natively
01:12 bezaban then push dhcp config instead of static
01:12 forrest oh, yea I don't see why it couldn't. You could make the dhcpd.conf a managed file, then make the file a template that takes in the grain data. As far as I'm aware all the grain data should be fine.
01:12 bezaban ooh right, good point
01:12 bezaban interesting indeed
01:12 forrest yep, if you can go with the normal salt master/minion setup
01:12 forrest it's much faster than salt-ssh
01:13 bezaban I'm running it on the same machine as dhcp/dns atm
01:13 bezaban seems practical
01:13 forrest Well, keep in mind depending on the number of the machines salt can become resource intensive, so that might not be the best plan
01:14 bezaban hmmm
01:14 bezaban at what scales are we talking?
01:14 forrest well, salt-ssh is gonna be more resource intensive than normal salt
01:14 bezaban I've noticed other python stuff (denyhosts) can become memory intensive
01:14 forrest as an example someone was trying to manage 200 boxes on a gig of ram and a single processor in their virtualization environment and it was problematic.
01:14 bezaban although there is a reason denyhosts needs to use mem
01:15 forrest There are ways around it though, you can always reduce the number of concurrent jobs and such, I just wouldn't want to put it on a such an important machine (dhcp/dns)
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01:15 bezaban it's part of a network overhaul, there previously was no internal dhcp/dns
01:16 forrest yea I still wouldn't put them on the same box, just in case.
01:16 bezaban it's virtualized
01:16 bezaban but thanks for the heads up, I think I'll move it
01:16 forrest yea np
01:16 bezaban only deployed in testing at
01:16 bezaban atm*
01:16 forrest gotcha
01:17 bezaban any memory recommendations as a function over number of hosts?
01:17 bezaban with minimal system resources
01:18 forrest bezaban, numbers like that unfortunately don't exist currently, and I don't have a big enough sample size from the IRC to come to any sort of real conclusion. Usually you run into issues more related to file handles and such. How big is your environment?
01:18 bezaban ofc they don't :)
01:18 bezaban it's small. tops 50 machines
01:18 forrest Hmm, might be worth trying it with pretty low resources if it's all virtualized.
01:18 robawt bezaban: overhaul or genesis?
01:19 robawt ;)
01:19 bezaban robawt: excuseme?
01:19 forrest maybe a single proc and 2 gigs of ram? And then see if you start getting a lack of machines returning data from jobs.
01:19 robawt overhaul to add DHCP and in house DNS sounds like the beginning, not a refresh
01:20 robawt just having fun on a saturday bezaban
01:22 micko sounds like salt scales better than puppet though
01:22 forrest I'm gonna grab some dinner, if you have more questions regarding performance it might be worth starting a discussion in the user group regarding memory and such
01:22 forrest micko, much better
01:23 forrest because it just sends the payload to the minion, then the minion does the actual work, and just says 'yea I am done, here is my return data' to the master
01:23 forrest the master server isn't hanging around waiting with an open connection just hogging system resources.
01:23 forrest salt-ssh on the other hand :P
01:24 micko forrest: i taught myself puppet earlier in the year and use it at home. GOing to start teaching myself salt and cfengine next week
01:24 bezaban robawt: you're right. Genesis. You also correctly point out that I am working on this saturday night :P
01:25 forrest micko, switching to salt should be really easy. I used to work with puppet at my old job, current job doesn't use either and I'm still better with salt than I ever was with puppet just from spending my free time working on it.
01:25 micko forrest: good to hear :)
01:26 micko I don't know if my brain can handle learning chef aswell or capistrano
01:26 forrest yea I refuse to learn chef
01:26 forrest I'm not a ruby developer
01:26 micko people keep pushing me towards ruby
01:26 micko im trying to resist
01:26 forrest Lots of jobs out there if you're good with ruby :\
01:26 forrest granted mostly rails
01:27 micko yeah
01:27 bezaban forrest: thanks for the helpful pointers
01:28 bezaban forrest: have a good dinner :)
01:28 forrest bezaban, np, if you hop in during the weekdays in the US there's usually some devs from the team around as well
01:28 forrest thanks, enjoy your evening as well
01:28 bezaban that's lovely. I'm europe based, but communicate with people in the US on a regular basis :)
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02:00 bezaban should the salt master also be a minion?
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02:02 joehh bezaban: no reason for it not to be. we normally do so
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02:02 bezaban optional then
02:04 joehh yes
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05:08 forrest finisherr, are you actually around?
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05:59 jcockhren forrest: I have a working example of scheduler for backing up DBs to s3
06:00 forrest jcockhren, you're still working on that? Is it not the weekend where you're at?
06:01 jcockhren well yeah. ;)
06:01 forrest hah ok
06:01 jcockhren I'll write up a mini tutorial/description next week sometime
06:02 forrest cool
06:02 forrest did you make that doc pull request earlier?
06:02 jcockhren bah. no.
06:02 forrest boooooooooo
06:02 jcockhren inorite
06:02 forrest PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON THE DOCS DON'T HAVE MORE EXAMPLES!
06:03 forrest Every time you do something and you don't document it, Tom cries
06:03 forrest do you want Tom to cry??
06:03 jcockhren Tom is going to ctry regardless
06:03 forrest lol
06:03 forrest I don't really see Tom as a guy sitting in his office going 'these guys, they want more docs??' *cry*
06:04 jcockhren my queue has veen bonkers over the last month and a half. finnaly have time to catch up and stuff
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06:05 forrest gotcha
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06:09 jcockhren https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/8383
06:09 jcockhren PR when I can
06:10 forrest cool
06:11 forrest Oh linkedin, do I want to be a broker or a sales person... hmm, maybe this recruiter is worth responding to, because when I think IT, I think being in sales for a non-it position!
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09:19 mbrgm hi! is it possible using the gitfs backend with a masterless setup?
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11:52 mbrgm hi! is it possible using the gitfs backend with a masterless setup?
11:57 joehh mbrgm: not too sure, but I reckon you'll have a bit more luck in 5-6 hours when all the US is up
11:57 joehh either that or monday once the US is up
11:58 joehh thinking about it, it would be worth trying...
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14:23 _ikke_ I need blockreplace, but it's not even released yet :-(
14:25 _ikke_ Perhaps as a custom module
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16:12 anti Hello.  Hopefully someone's come across this before -  I'm trying to use the salt-run command to lookup a job results as a non-root user.  I receive this error: [CRITICAL] Salt configured to run as user "root" but unable to switch.
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16:14 anti I've added client_acl:   -.* entries for that user which allows that account to run other salt commands.  I've also enabled permissive_pki_access with no change in error.
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16:29 luminous https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/develop/salt/modules/ssh.py#L382 << is this cache from the minion or master? eg, if you put source: file:///path/to/file is this from the minion?
16:29 mbrgm hi! can i use gitfs with masterless salt?
16:30 _ikke_ mbrgm: Have you tried?
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16:35 mbrgm _ikke_: well, where should i even put the gitfs_remotes directives?
16:35 mbrgm they go into the master config as far as i understood
16:36 mbrgm so... no master, no master config
16:39 mbrgm and another question is: can i use the output of a command on the minion and store it in a variable
16:40 mbrgm which i could use for filling a template later etc.?
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20:32 nooblee Can somebody help me with getting jinja variables in a reactor's .sls passed to another cmd.state.sls as parameters?  I've a gist https://gist.github.com/LeeBrown/7403445 which should explain it
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20:47 mbrgm hi! can i use the output of a command which is executed on the minion and store it in a variable? so that i could later on use it for filling a template etc.?
20:48 _ikke_ mbrgm: Look into salt mines
20:51 mbrgm _ikke_: not exactly what i'm looking for. basically, what i want to do is get the output of a cmd.run state and use it in another state function.
20:51 mbrgm or is no such thing possible
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20:55 _ikke_ Why aren't salt mines what you are looking for?
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20:58 mbrgm as far as i understood, mines gather data on the minion and send them back to master. what i want to do is gathering a datum during provisioning
20:59 mbrgm i.e. when setting the variables for a jinja templated managed file, one variable of those should be the output of a command, which is run _on_ the minion
21:00 mbrgm right now i'm running the command, writing the output to a temp file, then copy the filled template over to the minion while leaving one template variable unfilled and then fill it using awk (reading from the temp file) on the minion
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21:02 _ikke_ mbrgm: you can call the command in the template
21:02 _ikke_ __salt__['module.command'](arguments)
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21:03 mbrgm ahhhh, great! :-)
21:04 mbrgm didn't know 'bout that option, big THX
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21:41 mkoistinen Hi all. I'm just starting with Salt and would like to create a SLS file that provisions a swap file. Does anyone have an example of this already they'd be willing to post so I can learn from it?
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21:52 MTecknology I GET TO GO TO SALTCONF!!! :D   The only requirement my company has is that I thoroughly document our salt server. Documentation which is needed anyway...
21:52 mkoistinen \o/
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21:53 MTecknology I'm excited. It should be a great time full of crazy amounts of learning.
21:56 mkoistinen And you get to go to Salt Lake City...
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21:57 MTecknology I don't know anything about it actually. The internet tells me that there's a mountain range behind a city
21:57 MTecknology I'm just excited that this conference will actually help me know more and do better things with my environment.
21:58 MTecknology At least that's the plan. It's supposedly for sys admins (as opposed to my previous conference FOCUS12)
21:58 mkoistinen Sweet. Ever use Salt to provision swap?
21:59 MTecknology nope- I tend to not have swap and even if I do, keep it to 128MB or less.
22:00 MTecknology I've seen too many issues of a VM killing a host from swap death
22:02 MTecknology time to go rake up some leaves... back in a bit
22:02 mkoistinen All good points. This will have a swappiness of 0, so, its just for emergencies, really.
22:03 nooblee Does anybody know how to pass parameters into a .sls and how to use them inside it?  Is it possible?
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22:04 mkoistinen I'm a noob too, but I think you want to use templating.
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22:13 nooblee I see how templating works within an .sls, but how do I call an .sls with parameters?  For example if I execute salt '*' state.sls 'my-sls' ArgX=SOME_ARG_HERE.  How do I reference the dict for { "ArgX": "SOME_ARG_HERE" } appear?
22:13 mkoistinen Beats me
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22:14 nooblee There's this kwargs thing, but I can't see any examples of it yet.  Oh well, something will surface
22:14 tdillio Let's say that my salt-master server dies and I replace it with a new one at them same FQDN. Will the minions attempt to get re-verified by the master?
22:16 viq nooblee: pillars?
22:17 viq tdillio: I believe they'll complain, as they cache the master key
22:18 tdillio viq: Thanks, Then I should definitely back up my master's key.
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22:18 EugeneKay I set up a swap partition of 256MB in my VMware template box; I presume you're talking about a loopback swapfile instead?
22:19 mkoistinen I'd like a file-based swapfile on Linux.
22:19 EugeneKay Yeah, that one.
22:20 EugeneKay I'm not aware of any state for it, but it should be easy enough. I wouild build a script and file.managed it into /usr/local/sbin/, then ensure it's executed by appending to /etc/rc.local
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22:20 EugeneKay Have the script do all of your fancy logic(create file if needed; mkswap; chown; swapon)
22:22 EugeneKay Also have the state cmd.run it once(because rc.local is only read on boot)
22:22 nooblee viq: Will that work with multiple events?  I have events firing reactors which are getting data from the events and need to pass that to template an .sls on other minions.  I suppose I'd have to put the data into each minion's pillar?
22:22 EugeneKay Make sure the script can be run repeatedly without munging your swapfile ;-)
22:24 mkoistinen That's the trick
22:24 mkoistinen How to do that?
22:25 EugeneKay man bash ;-)
22:26 cbloss Can someone help me out an tell me why the gains(roles) is getting killed  http://pastebin.com/PikqragK
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23:46 MTecknology nooblee: Unless the state utilizes those extra parameters, like test=True, then it won't do any good. The extra args don't go to your sls, they go to the state
23:47 MTecknology nooblee: You could write a custom state for that stuff... maybe a wrapper state, but it still will only be for the state, not the sls. For variables in sls files (remember that an sls is a yaml file with jinja2 templating) you should be using grains
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23:55 viq Is something like this supposed to work? https://github.com/clausa/salt-logstash/blob/master/elasticsearch.sls#L10 I'm getting an error with it
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