Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:00 KyleG you killed them JR
00:01 KyleG y u do that
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00:02 Gareth still chugging along here.
00:03 JordanRinke_afk mine restarted
00:03 JordanRinke_afk trying to pull it with aria2c on a node out in the DC :x
00:03 Gareth looks like the time between restarts has gone up.
00:04 JordanRinke_afk yeah, up to almost 2 minutes now
00:04 KyleG whoa
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00:05 Gareth just died.
00:06 Gareth and restarted.
00:06 JordanRinke_afk new link: http://repo.steampowered.com/download/SteamOSInstaller.zip
00:07 JordanRinke_afk pullin 3MBs off that
00:08 JordanRinke_afk was at least
00:08 Gareth ahh much better.
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00:11 Gareth well it was :)
00:12 JordanRinke_afk http://steamdb.info/blog/35/ has a manget now
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00:25 JordanRinke_afk interesting, it is a zip, of a disk image
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00:26 Gareth dd to USB drive perhaps.
00:26 JordanRinke_afk going to try it but I doubt it, we will see
00:27 JordanRinke_afk fdisk -l
00:27 JordanRinke_afk bah
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00:41 JordanRinke_afk failed
00:43 JordanRinke_afk looks like it needed an unzip not a dd lol
00:44 KyleG That's what she said
00:44 KyleG zing
00:46 JordanRinke_afk i might not be able to run this, I dont think my rig supports eufi boot lol
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00:52 JordanRinke_afk nope, cant do anything with it lol
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00:53 Gareth that sucks.
00:54 JordanRinke_afk downside of building a monster rig, not needing to upgrade much, means I have old tech
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02:46 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt - SaltConf in January!! http://saltconf.com | 0.17.2 is the latest | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers - Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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05:25 Psi-Jack dave_den: Hmmm.. Okay, So in your example on the issue.. I got another scenario for you. What if you completely omit actually targeting anything in development environment, but have the pillar data there? Does the dev environment still get applied? It is for me, and it's boggling my mind as to why/how it's doing so, when it's not being told to.
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10:56 halfss Hi, does you saltutil.sync_modules work well on 0.17.2?
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11:57 cym3try do i need to schedule the highstate function to make sure a service (ex. httpd) is always running on minion?
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13:38 Sypher is it possible to execute salt-run functions via the API? I'm trying to execute manage.status since test.ping only returns those that are online
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13:48 Sypher so yes, couldn't find it in the docs
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14:38 Psi-Jack http://paste.linux-help.org/view/ab00c536  -- So this is my situation. Pillar sls in prod and dev, defined by top only for prod, but dev's pillar information is applying, not prod's. Why the heck?
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14:52 Psi-Jack Heh. Further, when I rename states/dev/salt/grains.sls to states/dev/salt/grains-new.sls, I get an error about the specified SLS 'salt.grians' in environment 'dev' is not available on the salt master. WTF? NOTHING TARGETS ANYTHING IN DEV!
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16:00 mayfield i <3 salt
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17:24 Psi-Jack With the issue of environments, I'm actually considering looking to chef, but, dunno yet. Salt's been fairly good to me, until environments or any kind of real testing procedures before pushing live.
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17:52 EWDurbin Psi-Jack i use Vagrant and a staging environment to CMA
17:52 EWDurbin thoughts on that kind of workflow?
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18:07 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt - SaltConf in January!! http://saltconf.com | 0.17.2 is the latest | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers - Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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19:24 bennyp hi all - how does the version compatibility work?  For example, I have the master on 0.17.2 and a minion on 0.16.3.
19:26 _ikke_ bennyp: what I heard, master at least the version of minions
19:26 bennyp oh ok
19:26 bennyp thank you
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20:04 bennyp I am trying the cp.get_file command and I keep getting Permission Denied.  I know the user I have salt running as has writable permission to the temp folder.
20:04 bennyp salt 'winserv*' cp.get_file salt://Salt-Minion-0.17.2-AMD64-Setup.exe c:\\temp makedirs=True
20:04 bennyp IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'c:\\temp'
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20:06 Psi-Jack EWDurbin: Yeah, I hate VMWare, and I hate VirtualBox,, and the idea of using that for testing is silly in the first place.
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20:10 bennyp Permission Denied was an error on my side.  I didn't know I had to include the filename in the destination path too.
20:10 teozkr how often are sls formulas and pillars evaluated (from Jinja's PoV)?
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20:17 mgw bennyp: I'm not sure, but I think there may be some issues with running minion on a much older version than master
20:17 mgw As I recall, I ran into some issues with 0.15 minions and master on 0.17
20:18 forresta you cannot run a 0.17+ master with older minions
20:18 forresta http://docs.saltstack.com/faq.html#id12
20:19 forresta some stuff works, but most of what you actually need will be broken
20:19 Psi-Jack forresta: heh, did you see my earlier stuff about phantom pillars? ;)
20:19 bennyp thanks all
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20:24 EWDurbin Psi-Jack: hmmmm, not sure how silly it is unless you're doing something hardware dependent.
20:24 EWDurbin for PyPI i've been developing the new infra with Vagrant/Virtualbox with pretty solid success
20:25 EWDurbin it's a bit rough around the edges ATM https://github.com/python/pypi-salt
20:25 EWDurbin Vagrantfile is huge, but gives me all the tools i need to work with an entire stack locally
20:25 * EWDurbin checks for any extra RAM lying on the floor
20:26 Psi-Jack EWDurbin: Well, the idea of: Creating a virtual machine, setting up a new salt minion, salt key, making the salt-master accept that key, all just to test a state. that's silly. :)
20:26 EWDurbin Vagrant takes care of that as of Version 1.3.0
20:26 Psi-Jack yeah. No thank you. :)
20:27 EWDurbin no worries here
20:28 Psi-Jack The whole logic of that just leaves a whole lot of bad taste in my mouth, personally. Especially since I hate virtualbox as mentioned before. :)
20:28 EWDurbin hmmm, what's leaving a bad taste in your mouth?
20:29 Psi-Jack LXC or KVM would definitely make the concept ~15% more livable, but still, that makes a grand total of 15% with the idea of spawning up virtual machines to test what could've been implemented into the system itself.
20:29 EWDurbin fair 'nuff
20:30 Psi-Jack EWDurbin: Vagrant, VirtualBox/VMware, generation of new environemtns, generation of keypairs for testing.. Everything about it.
20:30 EWDurbin (shrug) not really had too much trouble with it here
20:30 EWDurbin perhaps i'm just masochistic
20:30 Psi-Jack I'm using Salt in  server cluster comprised of 4 datacenters, 2 of which have about 120 servers each, the other two about 20~40/.
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20:31 EWDurbin $DAYJOB we have anywhere from 120-150 servers online in the cloud at any given moment... there are three distinct envs, largest environment (prod) is about 100 servers
20:31 EWDurbin and that's all salt
20:32 Psi-Jack heh "in the cloud"....
20:32 EWDurbin yep
20:32 Psi-Jack I can't take anyone seriously that uses that word as if it actually means something. Sorry, blunt, but that's me, blunt. :)
20:32 Psi-Jack That word being: cloud
20:33 EWDurbin sorry, on AWS
20:33 EWDurbin is that better?
20:33 Psi-Jack :)
20:33 Psi-Jack It is somewhat. At least AWS means something.
20:33 EWDurbin i argue that DARN is a better way of describing what's going on when most people say cloud
20:33 EWDurbin Dynamically Allocated Resource Network
20:34 Psi-Jack Never head of the acronym. ":0
20:34 * EWDurbin made it up
20:34 Psi-Jack Well, that's.. Unfortunate. Cool idea, but.. What I say is, what it is. virtual machines.
20:35 EWDurbin hmmmm, what about when you get to infrastructure as a service things?
20:35 EWDurbin i mean yeah, they're still VMs
20:35 EWDurbin but you don't have to treat them as such
20:35 EWDurbin you treat them as endpoints
20:35 Psi-Jack But, yet, they are.
20:35 Psi-Jack They are virtual machines, in HA and HS environments.
20:35 Psi-Jack If done correctly. :p
20:36 Psi-Jack HA/HS VMs.
20:36 Psi-Jack ^-- That's not made up. :)
20:37 EWDurbin hmmmmm, i've generally assumed taht some of the more impressive services implment Availability and Scaling above the VM level
20:38 EWDurbin i really doubt the S3 team is doing either of those at the VM level
20:38 EWDurbin for instance
20:38 Psi-Jack That's simple, actually.
20:38 Psi-Jack I implement such things via Pacemaker, RHCS, and other methods.
20:39 Psi-Jack HA for VM's themselves aren't done at the VM level, they're done on the infrastructure/.
20:39 Psi-Jack The actual servers proving th ehardware. )
20:39 Psi-Jack :)
20:42 EWDurbin meh, we could probably go on like this for a while.
20:42 Psi-Jack Yeah :)
20:42 EWDurbin perhaps i'll buy you a beverage if we were to meet in person and we could figure it out
20:42 Psi-Jack hehehe
20:43 Psi-Jack At least you say beverage, and not just beer. :)
20:43 * EWDurbin has learned that not /everyone/ has the same tasts
20:43 Psi-Jack hehe
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20:44 Psi-Jack Yeah, i can't do beer, too bitter. Course, what's bitter to me is about 120% more bitter than you would normally taste. :)
20:50 Psi-Jack I'm still trying to figure out why the heck salt is even so much as reading pillar data from my dev environment when nothing is configured to use it..
20:50 Psi-Jack Let alone using that data to override what I have in prod, which IS configured to be used.
20:50 EWDurbin haz gist or pastebin?
20:51 Psi-Jack I do.
20:51 Psi-Jack http://paste.linux-help.org/view/ab00c536  -- So this is my situation. Pillar sls in prod and dev, defined by top only for prod, but dev's pillar information is applying, not prod's. Why the heck?
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20:58 EWDurbin hmmmmm
20:58 EWDurbin yeah i don't have much for you there
20:58 Psi-Jack heh
20:59 EWDurbin i do all of my environmental stuff via pillar and roles
20:59 Psi-Jack yeah, I call it, a very serious showstopping bug. ;)
20:59 EWDurbin not separate roots
21:00 Psi-Jack it's literally the point I'm using this weekend to see how chef handles things, since it's got similarities to salt, and isn't puppet.
21:01 EWDurbin chef isn't too bad, we use that for most of the PSF infrastructure
21:01 Psi-Jack I just don't like ruby much.
21:01 EWDurbin PyPI is the first thing to move to salt
21:01 EWDurbin yeah, i work with Ruby developers all day, so i guess i'm just getting desensitized
21:02 bennyp salt-minion on Win 2008... when I run salt-minion as a service, I get no log data.  When I run it via command line, I get log data.  Bug you think?
21:03 * scoates bites tongue (-:
21:05 * EWDurbin has no clue what a windows is anymore
21:05 bennyp We have a mixture of Solaris, Redhat and Windows
21:06 EWDurbin bennyp how is salt installed on your windows nodes?
21:09 forresta Psi-Jack, no just got back from hiking
21:09 Psi-Jack heh
21:13 bennyp scoates I think I know why you were "biting tongue"... Looks like nssm.exe logs to the Event Viewer.
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21:18 scoates bennyp: oh, no. nothing to do with you. (-:
21:18 scoates ruby.
21:18 bennyp ahhhh
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21:26 thaddeusmt just checking: until Hydrogen is released with the merged-in salt-cloud, currently to install salt-cloud we still need to get it from the salt/salt-cloud GitHub repo?
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21:57 forresta thaddeusmt, it has been merged into the main repo, but it's not part of the salt package, so best bet is to install from pypi still
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22:22 thaddeusmt forresta: awesome, thanks
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22:41 steveoliver http://paste2.org/0dIIb0dI <— me trying to install salt-minion package in a docker container.  Has anyone come across this?
22:43 steveoliver I see https://github.com/saltstack/salt-cloud/issues/618
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22:58 forresta thaddeusmt, yea np
22:59 forresta have yet to see that steveoliver :(
22:59 steveoliver forresta: Thx
23:00 forresta steveoliver, let me know if you figure out a workaround
23:00 steveoliver forresta: definitely will post it somewhere — already commented on the GH issue
23:01 forresta steveoliver, I don't know if anyone is checking the salt-cloud issues any longer since it's been moved to the main repo
23:01 forresta I'd suggest to create a new issue in the main salt repo.
23:01 steveoliver noted
23:01 steveoliver thx
23:01 forresta np
23:01 forresta apparenlty can't grammar today however, powernaps for the loss.
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