Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:41 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | Thanks to everyone who made SaltConf 2014 amazing! | 0.17.5 is the latest | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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00:57 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | Thanks to everyone who made SaltConf 2014 amazing! | 0.17.5 is the latest | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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01:27 cnf it's not just splits
01:27 cnf everything is going balls up
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06:16 salt_pkg sudo salt '*' state.highstate paris: ----------     State: - no     Name:      states     Function:  None         Result:    False         Comment:   No Top file or external nodes data matches found         Changes:     Summary ------------ Succeeded: 0 Failed:    1 ------------ Total:     1
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06:56 salt_pkg please let me know to create a package in salt stack. i didn't get any clues?
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07:19 salt_pkg please let me know the how to install the package containing svn,mongodb,help me by answer thanks
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08:05 dyu what's the recommended way of installing? the ppa or pip?
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09:16 zimo hi all
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09:17 zimo i am wondering about using salt on Windows machines, and how we can install software with licence keys
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09:18 zimo how we can put it on config file ?
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09:23 rogst zimo: I'm no salt expert but couldn't you use pillars to add minion specific data ?
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09:29 zimo thx rogst: , the question is if my Windows installer need the licence key (for example i need to have Windows office installed on all user's desktops), how can i add it on the config file
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09:29 zimo pillars and grains is used to filter a minions group (i think) ... correct me if i miss understand
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09:30 rogst zimo: do you have per user keys to a volume key ?
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09:30 rogst or* a volume key :D
09:31 zimo we suppose to have one key for all group
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09:34 rogst are you asking how to prepare the silent installation xml file with the key prior to starting the installation ?
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09:37 zimo yes !  is it possible whith silent installation mode ?
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09:40 rogst you can have the minion download the config.xml file from the master and have it replace variables during download, I guess you could make it replace the key placeholder with the key from a pillar item, or just have the key already defined in the config.xml :D look at the file state. http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/states/all/salt.states.file.html
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09:43 zimo rogst:  thx man ! it's usefull , have a good day !
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09:45 rogst zimo: thanks, glad I could help :D
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10:46 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | Thanks to everyone who made SaltConf 2014 amazing! | 0.17.5 is the latest | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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11:35 magnusj I'm creating some base images (win/linux) which is later getting used as base for lots of OS instances. I'm wondering if I should go with writing scripts to automatically install salt on first start, or simply install salt on all images before saving the base images. Any input would be highly appreciated.
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11:36 Corey magnusj: There's a crappy bootstart script that some folks wrote. :-)
11:36 Corey magnusj: But I'd probably have it installed on the base image.
11:36 magnusj Corey: The bootstart scripts are only for linux, and I would need to make sure that it was only executed once at first start.
11:37 magnusj Ok cool thanks
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11:37 Corey Also FreeBSD. :-)
11:37 magnusj True :)
11:38 magnusj Well, I will go with installing salt to the base. And then run some salt-config-script at startup instead.
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11:38 magnusj Changing host id for example.
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12:37 batulin-s_ Hello, Can I split into groups minions and make one common-master and one special-master for each group of minions. so, Minion has two masters - first - common-master and second - specific-master.
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12:37 scalability-junk Still waiting to find a feasible solution to scalr just with saltstack behind the window
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13:42 Franz__ hi, is there a way from api to get list of valid states for a specific minion?
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13:44 sroegner Franz__: you mean like state.show_top?
13:45 Franz__ is more for documentation like sys.doc or sys.list_modules
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13:48 sroegner Franz__: in which is show_top not sufficient?
13:49 Franz__ I think show_top show the actual states of minion
13:49 sroegner ok
13:49 Franz__ I'm more interested in all available states in the library
13:49 sroegner i c
13:49 Franz__ basically the one that can be used to write formulas
13:50 sroegner was trying to figure that out myself the other day :-)
13:50 Franz__ :-)
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13:55 Ahlee batulin-s_: You could do something with client_acl on the special master
13:55 SEJeff_work Ahlee, Or just use a normal master/syndic relationship
13:57 Ahlee SEJeff_work: That'd work, too.
13:57 Ahlee I should look into syndic
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14:01 batulin-s_ <Ahlee>, Thank you, I not sure is right to use different file_roots in different special_masters.
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14:07 batulin-s_ Can I use system with one common master and some specific-masters if each specific_master has own file_root which include file_root of common-master
14:07 batulin-s_ and Minion has two masters - first - common-master and second - specific-master.
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14:09 Ahlee You can do that, yes
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14:11 batulin-s_ <Ahlee>Thank you a lot
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14:13 SEJeff_work batulin-s_, Use environments for that
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14:13 Ahlee Also a good point, environments with different file_roots
14:14 Ahlee i should not have assumed he already knew he needed mulitple masters
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14:27 racooper is...nickserv down? I'm unable to get any response from it.
14:28 tessellare Freenode is under a DDoS today (https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/430272930078273536)
14:29 dwfreed racooper: it'll probably be really slow to respond
14:29 dwfreed it is kind of alive
14:29 SEJeff_work racooper, I just asked in #freenode. It will respond, but will take about 10-15 minutes to respond due to the ongoing ddos
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14:30 racooper ah. thanks dwfreed and SEJeff_work . I'll just be patient with it.
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14:34 viq MTecknology: no, puias is one of (unofficial) package repositories for RHEL/CentOS
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14:43 jmccree Is there any reason to not also run a salt minion on the salt master?
14:43 Corey jmccree: Most people do exactly this.
14:44 Corey jmccree: Are you in the Salt Class currently going on?
14:44 SEJeff_work a minion configuring the master is turtles all the way down. Most people do it just as Corey stated
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14:44 jmccree Corey, no. Not at the conf.
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14:48 Tanoti Has anyone played with running a master as a non-root user.
14:48 Tanoti I've just installed 0.17.4, switched the master to a user "salt" (id 400) and restarted it. Now a test.ping times out
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14:50 Corey Tanoti: Yes, but I don't see the value of it.
14:50 Tanoti I thought it was considered good practice?
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14:51 Corey Tanoti: It's generally considered irrelevant.
14:51 Corey Tanoti: *usually* the reason people do this is so that a compromise of the service (in this case, salt-master) doesn't mean you've compromised the entire box.
14:52 Corey In this case if you compromise the service, you compromise the entire infrastructure, and nobdy cares about the one box anymore.
14:52 Tanoti Corey: That makes sense, thanks
14:53 zach true enough
14:53 zach That is why I lock down my master box the most
14:53 zach :)
14:53 zach the others are locked down pretty tight too, but the master...that gets locked way down
14:54 Tanoti Is there a good practice guide on configuring a master to be "locked down" as suggested?
14:54 Corey Tanoti: Put it behind a VPN. Vastly restrict who can log in. If you can ACL off the networks allowed to hit 4505 and 4506 to just your minions do it. ssh via keypair only. ETc.
14:54 Corey It's Linux sysadmin 101 stuff.
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14:58 Tanoti Corey: Thanks, I'm not usually in charge of how a server is configured but I've been handed salt as a project
14:58 Corey Tanoti: Fun times. :-)
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14:59 Tanoti Corey: It's a learning curve for sure. I'm loving salt though
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15:01 Corey Tanoti: You think this is a learning curve? :-)
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15:02 Tanoti Corey: To take a salt analogy, I want to learn how to build a bridge properly and not a noose with the rope I'm given :)
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15:03 tedski salt isn't unique, though
15:03 Corey Tanoti: You should see what Chef's curve looks like.
15:03 tedski hardening a system is no different for salt than it is for any other app
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15:03 Tanoti Corey: So I've heard
15:03 tedski the learning curve exists in thinking stateful and not "scriptful"
15:03 zach oh my god @ CHef
15:03 zach I _hate_ Chef
15:04 tedski but, that's true with any of them
15:04 MTecknology tedski: It's not unique, it's just the only one that's done with sanity.
15:04 zach The learning curve is like going down one of those tornado bowls at a waterpark, except your raft ends up flipping over
15:04 tedski MTecknology: i meant specifically in the "hardening the master's host" realm
15:04 tedski salt is unique in many other ways
15:05 tedski like the first time i opened a module to find a bug
15:05 tedski and went, "That's all they are?!"
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15:13 zach I've never used something as simple as salt before in the 10 years of my career
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15:17 MTecknology YAY! I get to recreate four very complicated drupal views from scratch! Just want I wanted to do today!!! :D
15:17 MTecknology beer?
15:18 Corey MTecknology: It is beer time.
15:18 Ahlee It's always time for beer!
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16:01 eric_H hey salt team, I have a salt formula for hadoop at  https://github.com/rackeric/salt-hadoop  if you would like to use it
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16:03 babilen eric_H: How does it differ or imporove upon https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/hadoop-formula ?
16:05 eric_H babilen, oh man.... this wasn't up there when i started working on mine, i'll have to look it over thanks
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16:05 babilen eric_H: Oh ... That's unfortunate
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16:06 babilen eric_H: fwiw, it looks as if your salt formula is more comprehensive. It might be a good idea to see if you can integrate whatever you do better into the "official" formula and have it merged.
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16:11 eric_H oh yeah, we will be using what we have in production so I'm eager to review this other one to find ways in improving mine
16:12 eric_H like i said, when I started on this i checked gitbug but nothing existed under salt-hadoop at the time LOL
16:16 robawt SSCE, interesting
16:16 robawt anyone know if the free training events at places like PyCon & Scale count towards the SSCE?
16:17 Tanoti robawt: The SSCE is an exam, or at least that's what it was at SaltConf
16:17 cro robawt: We haven't decided that totally yet.  I know that we are offering the SSCE exam at CfgMgtCamp tomorrow.
16:17 robawt cro: Tanoti: thx
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16:18 cro robawt: Keep an eye on http://www.saltstack.com/certification/
16:18 cro & our twitter feed at @SaltStackInc
16:19 robawt cro: certs are expensive, but i'm interested if it can make me stand out
16:19 eric_H << SSCE #16  :D
16:20 Tanoti I've got a question about whether there is a salt module somewhere to do some specific file processing; I can explain what I'm looking for better in a longer post with examples. Where should I ask that (github, google group, etc)?
16:20 cro robawt: We think so.  The interest at SaltConf was intense.
16:20 forrest Tanoti, the google group is the best bet
16:21 Tanoti forrest: Thanks
16:22 forrest best thing this morning, this nick is registered, please identify! If I could I would :(
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16:23 racooper nickserv is about 15 minutes behind, or at least was earlier today
16:23 robawt cro: yeah but if it's a written only test it's not going to carry a lot of weight
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16:25 cro robawt: Can you expand on that a little bit?  We want it to mean something, so we're committed to making changes.
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16:26 Gareth morning
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16:33 forrest racooper, I had to connect through chat.freenode to get here because of the ddos
16:34 racooper forrest,  me too.  it took a while for nickserv to respond for me, but it finally did
16:34 forrest gotcha
16:34 forrest I really don't understand the point of ddos'ing freenode
16:35 honestly it's just vandalism.
16:36 honestly do you understand the point of wantonly destroying other people's property?
16:39 forrest honestly, nope, that's why I don't get it
16:39 * honestly shrugs
16:40 forrest I mean I could understand ddos'ing some evil corporation for some BS, or maybe doing it if there was profit to be had (though that would still be scummy), but otherwise, I have no idea.
16:40 Corey It's been a fun day.
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16:40 forrest hey Corey
16:41 Corey forrest: Hi.
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16:43 Ahlee why climb mount everest?
16:43 forrest to say you've done it
16:44 forrest but that requires skill
16:44 forrest and hard work
16:44 forrest ddos'ing someone is as easy as downloading an application someone else wrote and hitting 'go'
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16:45 Ahlee indeed
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16:47 Holudev Hello, I'd like to know if the salt client running on the minions is using any ressources when not asked to do anything?
16:48 Ahlee Holudev: it keeps two connections open to the master, and does rquire memory
16:48 Ahlee so, those are not free
16:49 Ahlee but, it is extremely light on processing unless asked to do something.  It will also have to respond negatively to items, so targeting one node on your infrastructure does require responses from all nodes
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16:49 Holudev And if I use it only on local mode?
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16:52 Ahlee then only when executing
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16:54 Holudev Thank you.
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17:31 bretep Anyone else having troubles staying connected to freenode?
17:31 bretep Seems like a lot of netsplits the last 12 or so hours
17:31 forrest bretep, yea they are getting ddos'd
17:32 mgw bretep: yeah, i keep getting kicked
17:32 forrest you can try chat.freenode, but that is having an issue with the nickserv.
17:37 zach is there a way to force a hostname change with salt?
17:37 zach aside from network.system
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17:37 dfinn1 is this the proper way to have salt run a highstate every 30 minutes?  http://pastebin.com/cm4Tnjzc
17:37 dfinn1 it doesn't seem to be working
17:38 zach Looks about right
17:38 zach Where do you have it at?
17:38 dfinn /etc/salt/master
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17:38 zach http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/jobs/schedule.html
17:39 zach It is the exact same thing you have mostly
17:39 zach You need to put it in your minion config though
17:39 zach Push out /etc/salt/minion.d/schedule or something
17:39 zach with it in there
17:39 dfinn ah, ok
17:39 zach Oh, you can do it in the master too - my mistake
17:39 zach I don't use the scheduler
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17:40 zach I just have 'salt-call state.highstate' running in cron, just in case my minion dies
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17:40 dfinn you have that on the minion or the master?
17:40 zach I have it in cron on every minion
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17:40 zach It's not the proper way to do it, but I've never had an issue
17:40 dfinn what would be considered "proper"?
17:41 forrest schedule is the proper way.
17:41 zach using the scheduler
17:42 zach forrest is a saltgod, he can help you :P
17:42 dfinn well, i'd like to be proper.  best way to debug why it's not working when I try to schedule from my master?
17:42 forrest I wish :(
17:43 dfinn it seems cleaner to me to do it from the master but it's definitely not working
17:43 zach I can test here in one moment, doing a deployment atm
17:43 forrest zach, I've barely messed with the scheduler at all, the whole 'not using salt at work thing' bites me there
17:43 zach forrest: I would hire you if you were local
17:45 dfinn well, i put the schedule entry in the minion config, restarted and right away it updated the file that I had added bogus text into so it does work from the minion side
17:45 forrest thanks zach
17:45 dfinn or…does it always do a highstate when you restart?
17:45 forrest dfinn, no it does not auto highstate when you restart
17:45 dave_den unless you set that in startup_states
17:45 dfinn i haven't done that
17:45 dfinn so far i've been trying to keep the salt configs as vanilla as possible
17:46 dfinn so it looked like the scheduler caused it to run right away after a restart
17:46 dfinn i added the bogus text back in and will wait the 30 minutes to see if it does another highstate
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17:51 zach heh, my installer is bustedass now that I put require.pkg: java-1.7.0-openjdk
17:51 zach because rpm -qa| grep java-1.7.0-openjdk returns some craziness
17:51 zach java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.51-2.4.4.1.el6_5.x86_64
17:51 forrest zach, what release are you on?
17:52 zach 6.5
17:52 zach CentOS
17:52 forrest no salt
17:52 zach oh
17:52 zach salt-master 0.17.4
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17:52 forrest there was an issue with version numbers being part of the actual name (because people who do that deserve to be punished)
17:52 zach I don't like the version number being in the package name
17:53 zach it is dumb considering I did yum install java-1.7.0-openjdk
17:53 zach nothing else
17:53 forrest https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/8614 was the issue, it should have been fixed
17:53 forrest yea, java packagers are bad, and they should feel bad
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17:53 zach is it in 17.5?
17:54 forrest the fix? I thought it was in 0.17.4
17:54 zach seemingly it should be in .4 if it is a 3mo issue
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17:54 forrest but I can't remember, you'd have to check the tag to be sure
17:54 zach iShould be fixed
17:57 dfinn how do you run a highstate from a minion?
17:57 forrest salt-call state.highstate
17:57 forrest or if you want to only use local stuff salt-call --local state.highstate
17:58 dfinn thanks
17:58 forrest np
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18:12 ksalman i am trying to set a comment on a cron state with '- comment:' but it donesn't appear to be making any changes
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18:12 forrest ksalman, what does your state look like?
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18:14 ksalman forrest: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8789216
18:14 ksalman it makes the cron , but does not put a comment
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18:16 ChoHag_ How does the key saved in pki/master/minions*/foo differ from pki/minion/minion.pub on the machine foo?
18:18 ChoHag_ Specifically, I am trying to get a master node to trust its own minion, and I can't just copy minion/minion.pub to master/minions/$minion_id. After doing the regular key exchange and salt-key -A $minion_id, the master's version of the node's public key differs.
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18:18 ChoHag_ Is it as simple as being signed by the master's pubkey (so filesystem location is for organisation, not authentication)?
18:19 forrest ksalman, weird, I had the same issue, no comments...
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18:19 ChoHag_ s/pubkey/privkey/
18:19 ksalman =(
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18:19 forrest maybe try adding # ?
18:20 ksalman forrest: that doesnt' help either
18:20 ksalman maybe i'll open a bug
18:20 forrest weird, I'm not sure then
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18:24 mgw ChoHag_: You may need to copy /etc/salt/pki/master/master.pub to /etc/salt/pki/minion/minion_master.pub
18:25 ChoHag_ If I overwrite /etc/salt/pki/master/minions/foo.test with /etc/salt/pki/minion/minion.pub, it seemed to work. Nothing in either log file.
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18:25 ChoHag_ I've no idea where the master's fudged copy of the pubkey came from.
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18:43 ChoHag_ When I use the salt stack from https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/salt-formula and run salt-call --local state.highstate (with appropriate top.sls and pillar to install the master and minion), the keys in master/minions_pre/foo.test and minion/minion.pub differ.
18:44 ChoHag_ If I follow the steps through (install minion without starting, install master, start master, append 'master: localhost' to /etc/salt/minion, start minion), they are identical as expected.
18:45 ChoHag_ I am installing onto a vanilla debian wheeze box with the saltstack repository added.
18:47 ChoHag_ I have changed my copy of that state repository slightly - the master installs python-git (from the git backend in the pillar) and ensures it's started before the minion.
18:48 ChoHag_ As per http://pastebin.com/kT7sL40d
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18:53 ChoHag_ OK well some digging has revealed it's caused by the salt['pillar.get'] call, so can anybody suggest another way to do what line 12 of the pastebin does without causing it to create (and later recreate) the keypair?
18:54 ChoHag_ http://pastebin.com/kT7sL40d
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19:09 fxhp http://russell.ballestrini.net/the-three-deployment-management-strategies/
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19:10 srw_ ubuntu ppa package manager:
19:10 srw_ please add package for 'trusty'
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19:10 srw_ W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/saltstack/salt/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
19:11 srw_ could a dev pass that along to someone
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19:18 dfinn how do people monitor to ensure that salt minions are working correctly?  we will have a monitor in place to make sure that the salt-minion process is running but so far I've found several different types of issues where salt just silently fails and doesn't give any info.  i'm not sure how to catch those type of things.
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19:22 mgw dfinn: what do you currently use for monitoring/alerting?
19:23 dfinn nagios
19:23 mgw do you have graphite on your network as well?
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19:23 dfinn we do but it's kind of been abondoned
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19:33 Ryan_Lane utahcon: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/8087 <— it would be really awesome to get this in before the new release
19:33 Ryan_Lane it's causing us major speed issues
19:33 Ryan_Lane (and reliability issues)
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19:35 bdf dfinn: if you're using the normal zmq transport, you can get a list of minions that are up or down using salt-run manage.up and salt-run manage.down
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19:36 ofosho I'm having trouble with the yumpkg module; specifically: installing the 'httpd' package does not create the 'apache' user, which happens when it is installed with yum at the command line.  '-l all' doesn't show any indication that something has gone wrong, the operation completes successfully, but the user is not created, so the service cannot start.
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19:36 apergos note that there are two issues described there (and their causes in the code)
19:36 apergos that ryan is talking about.
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19:38 ofosho I'm wondering what additional debugging info I should look for in order to diagnose the problem..  I'm looking over an strace of the salt-call command now, but it doesn't seem to have what I'm looking for.
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19:41 dave_den ofosho: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/8545
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19:44 cedwards ofosho: do you have SELinux enabled?
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19:44 ofosho dave_den, cedwards: that was it; setting permissive mode solved the problem
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19:45 cedwards ofosho: it is a known issue.
19:45 ofosho now what's the best way to go about disabling and re-enabling selinux from my statefile?
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19:46 cedwards ofosho: the mysql-formula has an example of disabling/enabling during the state run: https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/mysql-formula/blob/master/mysql/server.sls
19:46 ofosho I remember a method for executing arbitrary shell commands was outlined in the walkthrough; is that the way to go?
19:47 ofosho cedwards: awesome, thanks
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20:09 Linuturk o/
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20:13 clearcla1 Any ideas?  Hints of where to look?  SaltReqTimeoutError: Waited 60 seconds
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20:14 forrest what release is that clearcla1
20:14 forrest what release is that clearclaw
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20:15 clearclaw Master is a very recent develop.  Minion is 0.17.5
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20:16 forrest clearclaw, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/salt-users/Zq38NKjd1z4
20:16 forrest looks like someone else is having a hard time on the 2014 release
20:16 forrest did you drop your master into debug to see what the logs said?
20:17 clearclaw That post was...mine.
20:18 forrest oh
20:18 forrest I've got nothin then :P
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20:19 clearclaw Still diffing the debug logs.  Not seeing anything interesting yet.
20:21 clearclaw I've a PROD push today.  This is...a problem.
20:24 forrest is it just that minion on 0.17.5?
20:24 forrest or a specific command?
20:24 forrest I've been using my test setup for the last week to apply a bunch of changes, nothing like that
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20:32 dfinn I know I've run into this before, I can't remember the fix.  I'll be sure to document it this time.  I'm trying to run a ssh script to login to a bunch of minions and restart the service and it's hanging when starting salt-minion.  anyone know the fix for that?
20:35 mgw dfinn: I assume the minions have lost communication with the master?
20:35 dfinn they have
20:36 dfinn i think it was because we rebooted our master
20:36 dfinn and I know I ran into this same thing before, and I think it was a simple fix, like a flag to ssh or something
20:36 dfinn looks to be maybe related to this: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/4410
20:36 mgw Is it the init script that's haning, or your ssh command?
20:37 dfinn i'd assume it's something related to the init script, other commands over ssh work just fine
20:38 forrest dfinn, don't you have to pass a variable saying it's a shell command?
20:38 mgw dfinn: what distro? Are you using an init script of some sort?
20:38 dfinn no
20:39 dfinn i'm using the default init script to restart salt
20:39 dfinn ssh -C -o "BatchMode yes" root@${i} /etc/init.d/salt-minion restart
20:39 dfinn same result without the -C and the BatchMode
20:39 mgw dfinn: if you log into a machine and run salt-minion restart, what happens?
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20:40 dfinn it works as expected
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20:40 dfinn i take that back, it hangs
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20:40 dfinn i've always used the init.d script and that works as expected
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20:43 dfinn this works just fine and gives me my prompt back : /etc/init.d/salt-minion restart
20:43 mgw dfinn: sorry, I meant /etc/init.d/salt-minion restart
20:43 dfinn yeah, that works
20:44 dfinn also, trying doing service salt-minion restart over ssh hangs as well
20:44 forrest why'd you break your minion?
20:44 dfinn it will hang, I hit control-C and then it moves onto the next one so it's holding onto something
20:45 dfinn thanks ;)
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20:47 dfinn i know I'm at least not the first person to run into this based on that bug and that the last time I asked someone new the fix right away.  shame on me for not writing it down
20:48 dfinn -t fixes it
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21:07 salt_whitebelt when running cmd.script, if it need to put a pause before the next script run, what is the syntax i need to use?
21:10 dfinn you could probably use the wait command
21:10 Ahlee dfinn: I see the same
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21:10 retran what's life like using salt
21:11 Ahlee periods of extasy punctuated with being hit over the head with a baseball bat
21:11 forrest retran, much more tasty
21:12 retran i have a problem i think i need salt for
21:12 retran but how do i really know
21:12 forrest you could always spin up a test environment and give salt a trial run
21:12 Ahlee if you think you only have one problem, then you're not thinking in a mindset condusive to configuration management systems
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21:13 dfinn i wish i only had 1 problem
21:13 salt_whitebelt dfinn: where would i put the wait command to wait for how long? for example, salt minion1 cmd.script salt://powershell.ps1 wait salt://powershell1.ps1 shell='powerhsell' ?
21:13 retran ok i have as many problems as i have (users * seconds)
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21:14 forrest salt_whitebelt, either run the wait after the first command as part of that, or put in some sort of check in script two to confirm script one has finished.
21:14 retran lets say i have a bunch of rabbitmq consumers
21:14 retran (workers) that do things
21:15 retran and i need ot make sure they are always running, and if they fail, i can *know* about it
21:15 forrest salt_whitebelt, I'd suggest some sort of check, much less error prone
21:15 retran will salt help with that
21:15 forrest retran, do you not have some sort of monitoring?
21:15 retran (the rabbitmq workers are written in python and php)
21:15 retran yeah i have nagios
21:15 forrest and it's not watching the jobs?
21:15 salt_whitebelt forrest: error check inside the script itself or error check at salt command level?
21:16 retran i'm planning this out
21:16 forrest salt_whitebelt, in the script
21:16 retran i could certainly configure nagios for it
21:16 Ahlee retran: salt itself doesn't run with any periodic scheduling, so it would only pick up a failed worker when you run it
21:17 salt_whitebelt forrest: the script itself is powershell, you can have configure to run another script after reboot then log in but not sure if there's a function that will actually run before log on
21:18 retran when i run it... can i invoke the worker process through salt
21:18 forrest salt_whitebelt, yea I have no idea, I don't use powershell at all.
21:18 retran does it do remote process management
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21:18 salt_whitebelt what i mean is powershell script will run upon logging in but not before that
21:19 Ahlee retran: yes, you can configure a process to be running in salt, assuming it has a compatible init script
21:19 retran ok
21:19 salt_whitebelt that's why i am looking to see if at salt level if salt has some sort of logic argument i can use to tell it to wait for the first script to run, reboot then execute the next one as soon as windows come back up
21:20 forrest salt_whitebelt, no, currently salt doesn't support runs split between reboots
21:20 retran can i add/remove things from my monitoring within salt
21:20 forrest I believe I actually have an issue open for that
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21:48 Gareth Anyone have an example of scheduling salt runs?
21:49 Ahlee Gareth: in /etc/salt/minion: https://gist.github.com/jalons/304aa7467c8f968bad94
21:49 Gareth hm. yeah I included that.  doesn't seem to be working though.
21:50 Gareth included it under /etc/salt/minion.d
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21:56 Gareth actually maybe it is working.
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21:59 Ahlee I need to dive into the scheduling code and make it not dumb
21:59 Ahlee that'll be a good project
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22:01 dfinn for what it's worth, I was asking about that earlier.  scheduling from the master didn't work as expected.  it did work when I scheduled from the minion though.
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22:14 jesusaurus has salt-bootstrap been abandoned? i seem to remember it working well, but now it seems pretty buggy
22:15 forrest jesusaurus, not at all, Pedro and I were just talking about it last week, what's wrong?
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22:17 jesusaurus it just blew away my config files
22:18 jesusaurus i backed them up to ~/backup/salt then gave that directory to salt-bootstrap with a -c, but they weren't put back in place. it looks like it shouldnt even touch the files in /etc/salt unless i give it a -F (which i didnt)
22:18 jesusaurus :/
22:19 forrest jesusaurus, can you file an issue on that? Then s0undt3ch will know what's up. This is the first occurrence of that I've heard.
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22:25 jesusaurus sure
22:25 forrest thanks
22:26 Ryan_Lane basepi: is there any chance of this getting fixed for the new release? https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/8087
22:27 joehh srw_: trusty currently has the latest in the official ubuntu packages
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22:28 basepi Ryan_Lane: Chances are slim at this point, I'm working on preparing the branch for the release (probably will cut today or tomorrow).  But I hadn't read apergos's great detective work, I need to show it to Tom and he may be able to pump out a fix in no time.  We'll see.
22:28 jesusaurus forrest: does https://github.com/saltstack/salt-bootstrap/issues/294 have enough info?
22:28 Ryan_Lane ok, cool, cause it's causing us a lot of pain right now
22:28 forrest jesusaurus, yea that should do.
22:29 apergos basepi: ok well keep me in the loop if you don't mind
22:29 basepi Ryan_Lane: reading the aforementioned detective work, I'm not surprised!
22:29 joehh I will organise a salt-cloud build though...
22:29 apergos I'm usually gone by now but my evenings your mornings are best to find me (I guess you are us tz)
22:30 basepi apergos: I will.  If nothing else, I'll comment there.
22:30 apergos great, thanks!
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22:32 basepi apergos: were you at salt conf?  trying to think if I've ever met you
22:32 apergos no
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22:32 basepi Well, that's unfortunate!  ;)
22:32 apergos :-)
22:32 basepi It was really fun putting faces to so many names last week
22:32 apergos I have some issues with travel unfortunately
22:33 apergos that reminds me I need to see if the speakers' presentations are on line
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22:33 basepi No worries.  And no, they're not yet, we haven't had time to process the footage.
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22:33 basepi We didn't contract the video recording out, so we have to process and post all the content ourselves.  While still, you know, running SaltStack.  So it may be a little while.  =P
22:34 apergos heh
22:34 apergos no worries
22:34 apergos I wasn't going to sit right down and watch them all tonight :-D
22:34 forrest basepi, I think you should just go with youtube
22:35 forrest spam away at the subscribers!
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22:35 apergos but I don't want to forget about them either
22:35 forrest I've got adobe premiere, all it takes is all your personal information for not pirating it!
22:36 basepi forrest: heh, Youtube will almost certainly be the answer.  But we still have to go through and edit it all, we basically taped most of the breaks as well as the talks.  =P
22:37 forrest lol
22:37 forrest basepi, Do you know where James is at with getting all the slide decks posted up?
22:39 basepi It's actually Rhett who will be posting the slides, and it will probably be awhile as well, I expect they'll go up with the videos. We'll see
22:39 basepi Rhett is so swamped right now
22:39 forrest in a good way I hope :D
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22:40 basepi Oh, definitely.
22:40 basepi He just desperately needs a minion.  =P
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22:41 jesusaurus anyone have some pointers for debugging "No Top file or external nodes data matches found"?
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22:42 jesusaurus nevermind, found my typo...
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22:53 dfinn i've got a state file that checks to make sure the nagios user exists and also appears to try and set it's homedir to a directory other than where the RPM created it at.  it's failing to do that and I'm not sure what the best way to tackle this would be.  here's the state file and the error: http://pastebin.com/k5eu69im
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22:55 forrest dfinn, so do you want it to be these things in the end?
22:55 jesusaurus dfinn: im guessing that you wont be able to change the gid/uid
22:55 jesusaurus that change can be problematic if you want files on the filesystem to reflect the change
22:56 jesusaurus do you need the gid/uid changed?
22:56 dfinn i'm wondering why we were doing this in puppet.
22:56 dfinn i guess I need to investigate that a little more
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23:08 salt_whitebelt if i need to define configuration for a few servers and one of the task is to lets say run powershell script, reboot the then run a second powershell script. there's a cmd.wait that i can use should i use sls file or pillar for this?
23:09 salt_whitebelt sls should persist for a minion after reboot right?
23:10 forrest salt_whitebelt, as I said earlier, salt doesn't support the continuation of a job after a restart
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23:11 salt_whitebelt so it doesn't matter if i define the config in a sls or pillar?
23:11 mgw salt_whitebelt: to watch for the reboot you'll need either a runner that uses the event system to wait for the minion to come back up, or possibly use the reactor to do the same
23:13 salt_whitebelt hmm interesting. so in essence, sls and pillar apply configuration serial or sequentially but can't start another task after a reboot? just making sure im getting it right for my notes
23:13 jmccree I wonder if there's a max number of environments.
23:13 forrest salt_whitebelt, right, because there isn't anything written to disk that says 'this is the status of the job, and once the minion restarts take these actions'.
23:14 forrest salt_whitebelt, I have https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/6792 opened regarding that
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23:14 forrest so if you want to +1 it, that would be graet
23:14 forrest *great
23:15 salt_whitebelt only reason i ask is because unlike linux which requires restarting some services. certain windows task are disruptive in nature and require a reboot to complete
23:17 salt_whitebelt thanks to all for answering
23:17 salt_whitebelt that clears it up for the time being
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23:30 frosty996 if I use the runas paramater with virtualenv.managed, should I expect that virtualenv to be owned by that user?
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23:31 forrest frosty996, I've had luck with the venv being owned my the user I specify runas, but when I installed stuff afterwards, it was via the root user even though I specified it. So I'd suggest to test it
23:32 frosty996 forrest: well, I ask because my testing has it all come up owned as root
23:32 frosty996 on 0.17.4
23:32 forrest frosty996, what does your state look like?
23:33 frosty996 forrest: https://gist.github.com/jfrost/7fd2593da91e326db200
23:34 frosty996 then I end up with the build dir and the handyrep dir owned by the handyrep user and everything else owned by root
23:35 forrest frosty996, virtualenv.managed doesn't have a 'user' option that I see in the docs, where are you pulling that from?
23:36 frosty996 I thought I saw that in the function def, but it acted the same without that
23:37 forrest weird
23:37 forrest yea I'd do some more testing if you can with -l debug and such to see what happens, then if it isn't obvious there, create an issue.
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23:41 frosty996 forrest: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/salt/modules/pip.py:252: DeprecationWarning: The 'runas' argument to pip.install is deprecated, and will be removed in 0.18.0. Please use 'user' instead.
23:41 frosty996 'The \'runas\' argument to pip.install is deprecated, and will be '
23:41 forrest hmm
23:42 forrest terminalmage, any idea on that for virtualenv?
23:43 terminalmage there were some refs to the virtualenv stuff that still used runas, but I believe I fixed them a few weeks ago
23:43 frosty996 terminalmage: maybe in 0.17.5?
23:43 frosty996 I guess 0.17.4 is still the latest in epel
23:43 terminalmage wait, what exactly is the issue
23:44 forrest runas isn't creating the virtualenv with the proper ownership, so the user is always root
23:44 terminalmage ok
23:44 terminalmage well that shouldn't happen...
23:44 terminalmage is there an open issue for this?
23:44 frosty996 I just found that deprecation warning in the -l debug output
23:44 terminalmage ok
23:44 frosty996 terminalmage: no, just trying to sort out what's going on
23:44 forrest no we've just started looking at it
23:44 terminalmage the deprecation warning is gone, I'm pretty sure
23:44 terminalmage in develop
23:45 terminalmage I'd have to check out the ownership
23:46 frosty996 terminalmage: here's how it looks after the state runs: https://gist.github.com/jfrost/c09a7389034e61cbab12
23:46 frosty996 so, somehow the build dir is owned properly, but the others are owned by root
23:46 terminalmage ok
23:47 terminalmage weird
23:48 forrest I've actually noticed this in 0.16.4 as well, where when installing packages they are owned as the root user and not the runas user, never investigated it though
23:48 frosty996 also it seems that the psycopg2 install fails because it finds a pre-existing build directory; however, I rm -rf'd the virtualenv before the state run
23:49 frosty996 for now I'm going to take out the runas and see if I can at least get a working virtualenv, then hack the permissions afterwards
23:51 frosty996 did the iptables module get fixed for the rhel6 variants yet?
23:52 Gareth frosty996: whats broken in the iptables module?
23:53 frosty996 Gareth: just didn't work on the rhel6 variants as of a few versions ago, and I'm was just wondering if it's been fixed
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23:57 frosty996 terminalmage: total red herring! My rm -rf command had a single character typo in it! so it wasn't being removed.
23:58 terminalmage frosty996: oh cool
23:58 terminalmage was about to test it myself
23:58 frosty996 and of course the -f made it not tell me about said typo!
23:58 terminalmage yeah IIRC the virtualenv state only checks if a virualenv exists at that path
23:58 frosty996 head > desk
23:59 terminalmage not if it exists and ownership is a certain way
23:59 frosty996 that complaint about psycopg2 build dir already existing is what tipped me off
23:59 terminalmage ahh
23:59 terminalmage glad you figured it out
23:59 terminalmage and also glad you told me before I got any further testing it :D

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