Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #salt, 2014-02-22

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00:00 hunter tomas1: in the yum world repo keys are generally included in a "release" package of some name- thats generally in the given repo. So I bootstrap with a local file since the keys change very rarely.
00:00 guest___ hunter would you make a new micro instance? could i just piggy-back on my nat box?
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00:00 hunter tomas1: then I grab the release rpm (it has other benefits) and as long as the file matches salt leaves it alone.
00:01 UtahDave guest___: If you're not running too many minions, the master can run on a micro instance
00:01 hunter guest___: personally? I would have the master be its own thing, unrelated to anything else - remember that IT is the keys to the castle so to speak
00:01 guest___ hunter, ok thank you
00:01 hunter guest___: my master here (while physical, not virtual) is a 6GB ram 6 year old HP 1U.
00:02 hunter I have little doubt you could get by with way less ram.
00:02 guest___ i'm currently just using fabric (fabfiles) to deploy my django project into a virtualenv
00:02 guest___ since i'm on the vpn and using ssh, it's not a big deal and i can control everything form my dev machine
00:02 hunter for 52 minions (well, 5 are salt-ssh minionless) I'm burning 400MB ram for the whole system.
00:03 guest___ but i can't use it as a master since they can't resolve my machine
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00:04 hunter guest___: if it were me, I'd put a master in the cloud with the minion and rsync the /etc/salt and /srv/salt (or whatever dirs you use) back to your home workstation/laptop whatever.
00:05 hunter (or backup / mirror mechanism of your choosing)
00:06 guest___ yeah, ok. that sounds reasonable
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00:17 hunter Is there better docs than http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/mine/ for setting up the mine? Thats really not enough for me to follow
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00:53 CaptTofu hi all
00:53 CaptTofu who here works with Salt cloud - particularly with the latest nova?
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01:06 synfin Is it possible to run Salt States "in reverse"?  I have a case where it would be useful to copy, say, file.managed resources on deployed systems back to my salt master for comparison and reconciliation before I begin real deployment.
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01:45 dave_den synfin: you can use http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.cp.html#salt.modules.cp.push_dir to push a directory up to the master
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02:09 cjbarnes18 The topic for this room needs updating basepi
02:14 patrek synfin: why don't you run your states with salt somesubset* state.sls yourstate Test=true (you'll get diff of the file that would be modified and you can do your reconciliation before removing Test=true)
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02:15 CaptTofu anyone know how to deal with:
02:16 CaptTofu [WARNING ] Private IPs returned, but not public... Checking for misidentified IPs
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02:18 synfin patrek: That could work.  I was envisioning a giant directory structure on the master I could parse through.  But running a state.sls that I can pass through diff and such would probably be better
02:18 synfin ty all
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02:45 xDamox Hello, in Salt is there a way to execute a command local to the master if a system is recognized for the first time?
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03:26 MTecknology xDamox: Have you looked at the reactor system at all?
03:26 xDamox Yeah, I am reading that now
03:26 MTecknology that's basically 100% exactly what you're looking for. :)
03:26 xDamox I am trying to generate an SSH key pair and then distribute them :)
03:27 MTecknology hm?
03:27 MTecknology could you explain that in more detail?
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03:28 xDamox So when a new system comes online I want to generate a SSH key pair. In the reactor I have this defined salt/minion/*mysystem*/start
03:29 xDamox I want to execute the ssh-keygen and then when the system runs a high state it will grab the keys
03:31 MTecknology You want the master running ssh-keygen when a minion comes up?
03:31 xDamox Yeah
03:31 MTecknology I'm trying to understand why you would want that
03:32 xDamox It's for a specific release mechanism
03:32 MTecknology http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/reactor/#knowing-what-event-is-being-fired
03:33 dave_den xDamox: you'll need to write a runner module for that if you want the master to generate the ssh key
03:35 xDamox Thanks for the help
03:36 dave_den well, i suppose you don't have to if your master is also a minion.. but anyway i would personally do a runner
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04:29 jcockhren just gave the pytn folks a crash course in salt ;)
04:30 jcockhren wasn't as good a timoguin's will be
04:30 jcockhren as*
04:33 dave_den pytn?
04:33 jcockhren py tennessee
04:33 jcockhren py as in python
04:33 dave_den that's what google said, just making sure
04:34 dave_den nice! we just confirmed Tom will be speaking at SaltStack Denver UG's fir meetup
04:34 dave_den first
04:35 dave_den trying to salt denver
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04:35 jcockhren word
04:37 jcockhren I had them create custom salt modules
04:38 dave_den how'd it go? that's pretty advanced for a crash course. i like it
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04:40 jcockhren it's 'advanced' but pretty easy to write a couple.
04:41 jcockhren I skipped the gory details but gave them a concise list of terminology with definitions
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04:42 jcockhren I did a lot of explaining the problem salt solves and how it relates to the stuff we were doing
04:42 jcockhren also... I made it stupid easy to get going
04:42 dave_den did you get questions about how salt is different than x/y/z?
04:43 jcockhren no. :( it wasn't they high level crowd.
04:43 dave_den or did they just like to get going in python
04:43 jcockhren a mix of experienced former salt users and not to experienced devs
04:44 dave_den is there much of a dev/ops crossover in pytn, or are most just strictly devs?
04:44 jcockhren tons of ops
04:44 jcockhren for example. Emma uses salt for ops exclusively
04:44 jcockhren but much more puppet
04:45 dave_den yeah, figures.  what was the over-all reaction to salt from puppets?
04:46 jcockhren people generally love it
04:47 jcockhren https://github.com/jcockhren/pytn-salt-vagrant.git
04:47 jcockhren is who I got them going
04:47 jcockhren s/who/how
04:48 jcockhren they know what states, modules, grains and pillars are
04:48 jcockhren (minion and master)
04:48 jcockhren as well
04:48 jcockhren I showed them the test module with 'ping'
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04:48 jcockhren they were like. "wow!"
04:48 dave_den good clean jumpstart with the vagrant config
04:49 jcockhren "wow. that's it?"
04:49 jcockhren so I explained why that is sufficient
04:50 jcockhren we even talked about __virtualname__ and what it does
04:51 jcockhren separating the and rethinking the encapsulation of 'modules' in terms of python and programming
04:51 dave_den nice. i wonder how many will pick up salt from that
04:52 jcockhren basically, I kinda ended up nerding out and I'm surprised the very few that stay around did
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06:26 xDamox Can anyone help me with a runner I am trying to write https://gist.github.com/dmyerscough/af7bf68462b84017034c
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11:23 Whissi When running salt-2014.1.0 test suite I am getting an "ImportError: Failed to import test module: unit.client_test [...] ImportError: cannot import name DEFAULT" error (full log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mMcDQmJV).
11:24 Whissi It is the first time I am running the test suite so I am not sure if there's a problem with my env or if it is a problem in Salt.
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21:38 cjbarnes18 I have updated my Arch box today, I got updated to 2014.1, but master wont start due to lack of salt user.  Is this just a matter of useradd? do I need to set a home?
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21:39 cjbarnes18 shouldnt this have been set by the package?
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21:49 sorcix Hello. I'm running a salt master on a beaglebone black. "salt '*' state.highstate" takes ages with only 5 sls modules. Do I need to run the salt master on better hardware, or am I doing something wrong?
21:49 sorcix (It has been running for 3+ minutes now.)
22:02 cjbarnes18 sorcix: how much memory is on a beaglebone
22:04 sorcix 512mb
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22:05 cjbarnes18 I have struggled in debian 64bit with less than 1G, but I think you can lower some of the default parameters like workers.  that might make it a little more responsive.
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22:06 sorcix Hmm, ok. Let's give that a try, thanks!
22:07 cjbarnes18 sorcix: it all depends of how many minions to plan to control.
22:07 sorcix Only 3.. My desktop, laptop and the beaglebone itself. I'm just an IT student trying to spend less time managing arch linux installations. :-)
22:08 sorcix I have nothing big to manage.
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22:08 cjbarnes18 you certainly have space to improve your performance I would say.
22:09 cjbarnes18 sorcix: what version of salt do you have installed?
22:11 sorcix cjbarnes18: 2014.1.0
22:12 cjbarnes18 sorcix: did you have any trouble with it, I just apdated and had some difficulty with the salt user...
22:13 sorcix It's a fresh install from the arch linux repository at intothesaltmine.org
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22:14 sorcix Was pretty slow even with only one sls.
22:14 sorcix I'm using my desktop as salt master now, and it works a lot better.
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22:16 cjbarnes18 sorcix: no supprises there.
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23:47 fridiculous what's the best way to define an external ip address (that changes) for a minion
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23:48 fridiculous e.g. the minion wants to connect to an external server (which is also a minion)
23:49 fridiculous i know the minion_id of the server each time, and i can look up that ip address if on the same minion
23:49 fridiculous but if i'm on another minion, would it require making a custom grain?
23:50 fridiculous ideas?
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23:58 timoguin OH MY SALTNESS
23:59 fridiculous what timoguin
23:59 timoguin salty day.

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