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00:20 xfactor973 hey guys silly question but is salt 2014.1 not compatible with 0.17.5?
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00:21 xfactor973 when i call salt-call state.highstate on my minion i get: No Top file or external nodes data matches found.  It's odd though cause I'm certain the hostname matches something in the top.sls ifle
00:21 manfred xfactor973: minions can't talk to older masters
00:21 xfactor973 ah..
00:21 xfactor973 ok that explains it
00:22 manfred err s/can't talk/aren't compatible/
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00:23 xfactor973 shame the protocol isn't versioned.  that would prob take care of that problem
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00:24 xfactor973 manfred: any idea when packages for raring will land?
00:26 manfred xfactor973: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/develop/doc/topics/releases/2014.1.0.rst#salt-201410-release-notes---codename-hydrogen
00:26 manfred no idea
00:26 xfactor973 ok thanks
00:26 xfactor973 i'll force my docker containers to install the other client then
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02:12 helderco Hey folks. I'm getting a "No Top file or external nodes data matches found" error on a minion, don't know why. Modules work, but it can't find states. The top file has a base: '*'... at least that should match, right? Can anyone help?
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02:21 helderco .
02:22 helderco highstate isn't syncing
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02:22 manfred what version is your minion? what version is your master?
02:24 helderco manfred: oh, right... they're not the same
02:25 manfred so
02:25 manfred minions aren't compatible with older masters at least for 2014.1.0
02:25 manfred https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/develop/doc/topics/releases/2014.1.0.rst
02:26 manfred https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/develop/doc/topics/installation/index.rst#upgrading-salt
02:26 helderco vagrant provision should have updated that (uses salt bootstrap)
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02:45 fxhp helderco - vagrant (salty-vagrant provisioner) should let you set or pin your salt version
02:45 helderco fxhp: thing is, even as root in the vm apt-get update doesn't see the new version
02:46 helderco I have deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/saltstack/salt-daily/ubuntu precise mai
02:48 fxhp helderco: the salt provisioner can use github to fetch from specific release branches
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02:48 helderco I'm using salt.install_type = "daily" in my Vagrantfile
02:48 fxhp helderco: What guest OS are you using?
02:49 helderco ubuntu 12.04 LTS
02:50 fxhp 12.04 should be able to get the latest 2014.1.x release from PPA (using apt)
02:50 fxhp that is weird...
02:52 fxhp helderco: you could try:
02:53 fxhp salt.install_type = "git"
02:53 fxhp salt.install_args = "develop"
02:55 fxhp or salt.install_args = "v2014.01"
02:55 TyrfingMjolnir Anyone feel like guiding me through writing my first salt-ssh script?
02:55 fxhp TyrfingMjolnir - never done it before, are you stuck?
02:56 TyrfingMjolnir I would like to be able to have a download and install script for Mac
02:56 TyrfingMjolnir But the installer is graphical
02:56 TyrfingMjolnir I would consider that stuck
02:56 fxhp the installer for salt is graphical?
02:58 TyrfingMjolnir No
02:58 TyrfingMjolnir For the mac
02:59 TyrfingMjolnir Let's take this example, FileMaker already installed on the Mac
02:59 TyrfingMjolnir Want to upgrade on 10 machines
02:59 TyrfingMjolnir salt-ssh should be ideal?
03:00 TyrfingMjolnir cd /Users/;curl -O http://fmdl.filemaker.com/UPDT/12/fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg
03:00 TyrfingMjolnir Should do
03:01 TyrfingMjolnir Maybe even better: cd /Users/;curl -O http://fmdl.filemaker.com/UPDT/12/fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg;open fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg
03:02 TyrfingMjolnir Or to not keep the file: cd /tmp/;curl -O http://fmdl.filemaker.com/UPDT/12/fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg;open fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg
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03:03 TyrfingMjolnir How would this: "cd /tmp/;curl -O http://fmdl.filemaker.com/UPDT/12/fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg;open fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg" translate to salt?
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03:09 manfred i don't see anything about salt supporting installing dmgs from links, just installing stuff from ports, for that you would probably need to use file module/state to download it, and then cmd.run or module.run to run the open command
03:10 xfactor973 manfred: looks like i'm dead in the water until 2014.1 comes out for raring
03:10 xfactor973 there doesn't seem to be older versions of salt for precise in the repos
03:13 manfred joehh: any news on 2014.1.0 for raring?
03:13 xfactor973 forrest: you around?
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03:13 xfactor973 yeah i need 2014.1.0 for raring badly
03:13 xfactor973 i'm thinking of just pulling down the github repo and building from source
03:14 manfred xfactor973: that is what i do all the time.
03:14 manfred but mostly because my stuff isn't important at all :)
03:14 xfactor973 manfred: why aren't any old versions cached on the repos?  every time there's a new package release i get screwed by this
03:15 manfred no idea, i don't believe ubuntu really supports that? but ... idk, never really used it for every day use
03:15 xfactor973 ceph does the same thing so maybe it's ubuntu that is the problem
03:16 manfred xfactor973: did you check if they are in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
03:16 manfred the old version*
03:16 xfactor973 good idea.  lemme dig for it
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03:19 fxhp xfactor973 - launchpad only keeps the latest
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03:23 TyrfingMjolnir How would this: "cd /tmp/;curl -O http://fmdl.filemaker.com/UPDT/12/fm_updater_12.0.5.503.dmg;open ." translate to salt?
03:24 fxhp TyrfingMjolnir - just using remote executions, not config management?
03:26 fxhp <- I don't have a mac
03:28 manfred TyrfingMjolnir: i don't see anything about salt supporting installing dmgs from links, just installing stuff from ports or brew, for that you would probably need to use file module/state to download it, and then cmd.run or module.run to run the open command
03:28 manfred hrm, actually looks like ports can do .dmg
03:28 manfred files*
03:28 TyrfingMjolnir manfred: Well, just downloading the file would help
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03:30 manfred TyrfingMjolnir: are you wanting to use states or just modules and remote exectution?
03:32 manfred if you want to use states, file.managed, otherwise for remote execution and just modules, file.get_managed
03:33 manfred http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/states/all/salt.states.file.html
03:33 manfred oh, you cloud also use cp.get_file if just using modules
03:34 manfred http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.cp.html
03:34 manfred err, get_url
03:34 manfred http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.cp.html#salt.modules.cp.get_url
03:36 manfred there are lots of ways to do it
03:38 xfactor973 fxhp: thanks.  i didn't know that
03:38 manfred xfactor973: did you find an old one?
03:39 xfactor973 nope :(
03:39 xfactor973 i think i'll build from source
03:40 manfred git clone --single-branch git://github.com/saltstack/salt.git -b v2014.1.0
03:40 manfred err
03:40 manfred v0.17.5
03:40 manfred w/e
03:40 xfactor973 yup working on it right now :)
03:41 helderco fxhp: I think my issue is salt-cloud... how do I remove it now?
03:43 manfred helderco: which salt do you have installed? salt-cloud was merged into salt propper for v2014.1.0
03:44 helderco manfred: yeah, I'm trying to install hydrogen, but I have a previous salt-cloud installation that is overriding hydrogen (because it's first in $PATH)
03:45 helderco I'm looking at the installation instructions and trying to reverse the process
03:45 manfred apt-get remove salt-cloud? or did you install it with pip?
03:45 helderco salt-cloud was installed with pip
03:45 manfred pip uninstall salt-cloud should do it?
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03:48 helderco ok... here we go again (provision)... let's see if it works
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04:05 TyrfingMjolnir manfred: Here is a full install from command line
04:06 TyrfingMjolnir https://gist.github.com/TyrfingMjolnir/9578386
04:07 manfred i don't know anything about mac... so what I said before was just a general guest
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06:09 TyrfingMjolnir manfred: MacOS X i BSD/Darwin
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06:22 forrest Does anyone in here live in the Seattle area?
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06:26 allanparsons anyone here tonight?
06:28 forrest what's up allanparsons
06:28 allanparsons hey, so i'm adding swap space
06:28 allanparsons and i'm seeing weird behavior w/ unless
06:28 allanparsons lemme paste
06:29 forrest why are you working on a saturday night
06:29 forrest is the key question here
06:31 allanparsons meh
06:31 allanparsons nothing better to do
06:31 allanparsons it's st pattys in LA
06:31 allanparsons so, amateur hour at the bars
06:31 allanparsons http://pastebin.com/TRXrCPSF
06:34 manfred allanparsons: what if you use test instead of [ ] ?
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06:34 allanparsons how do you use test for ps -ef
06:34 allanparsons i've only seen test used for files/dirs
06:34 allanparsons (checking man pages)
06:35 forrest I don't think I've seen someone use [] on an unless statement... or maybe my memory is just bad
06:35 manfred allanparsons: test $(lsblk -b | grep -w {{ use_ephemeral_disk }} | wc -l) -eq 0
06:36 allanparsons lemme try...
06:36 manfred allanparsons: also, grep -c and you don't need wc -l
06:38 allanparsons good call regarding -c... bad habits from my AIX days
06:39 manfred :)
06:39 allanparsons same deal
06:39 allanparsons OrderedDict([('unless', ['test $(lsblk -b | grep -cw xvdb) -eq 0', 'test $(swapon -s | grep -c swap.1) -gt 0', 'test $(ps -ef | grep ec2-make-swap | grep -vc grep) -gt 0'])]), OrderedDict([('require', [OrderedDict([('file', 'ec2-make-swap')]), OrderedDict([('service', 'ec2-mounted-tmp')])])])])]))])
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06:41 allanparsons http://pastebin.com/M3jxCcqT
06:44 astol hi all, why is file.directory always reapplied when I run state.highstate? The same with all file.managed, file.recurse…
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06:52 allanparsons any idea?
06:54 manfred allanparsons: can you try doing just lsblk /dev/xvdb ? that should return something other than a 1 if the device doesn't exist
06:54 manfred instead of doing the full test and -eq
06:54 allanparsons as an onlyif?
06:54 manfred hold on
06:57 allanparsons didnt work by mving "lsblk /dev/xvdb" to onlyif + keeping the other two cmds as "unless"
06:57 manfred that isn't what I wanted you to do :)
06:57 manfred allanparsons: so, when do you want that command to run? if xvdb exists or not?
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06:59 allanparsons i want the command to run:  if xvdb exists, if i dont have swap.1 online, and if my current script to create swap isnt already running
07:01 manfred i wonder if unless just needs one of the things to be true...
07:01 manfred allanparsons: http://paste.gtmanfred.com/l9J8Y/ that is how I would do those commands
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07:03 allanparsons trying...
07:04 manfred allanparsons: i think you can only have one command in unless
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07:04 manfred so, you might need to do && between those commands
07:05 allanparsons really?  only one command?
07:05 manfred unless
07:05 manfred A command to run as a check, only run the named command if the command passed to the unless option returns false
07:07 manfred looks like if the stuff in unless is not a string, then it just returns that it ran successfully https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/develop/salt/states/cmd.py#L291
07:08 manfred otherwise, it does __salt__['cmd.retcode'](unless, **cmd_kwargs) == 0
07:08 allanparsons yeah
07:08 allanparsons it looks like it wants just one command :(
07:08 manfred allanparsons: you could always string them together
07:09 allanparsons with &&?
07:09 manfred yeah
07:09 manfred it should return the equivalent
07:10 manfred because if one of them doesn't return 0, none of the others will run, and you will just get back the one that errored's ret value
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07:12 allanparsons woohoo
07:13 allanparsons that worked!
07:13 manfred nice
07:13 allanparsons thank you thank you!
07:13 manfred welcome :)
07:13 manfred I will see what I can do about making it possible for that unless to be a list :)
07:13 allanparsons thanks!
07:13 allanparsons i can log an enhancement request if i should go that route?
07:14 manfred if you want :)
07:14 allanparsons ok
07:14 allanparsons i'll log it
07:14 allanparsons in the morning
07:14 manfred kk
07:14 allanparsons i gotta hit the sack.
07:14 manfred tag me in it
07:14 allanparsons thanks again
07:14 manfred @gtmanfred
07:14 allanparsons whats your github name?
07:14 allanparsons ok
07:15 manfred nite!
07:15 allanparsons oh sweet you work for RAX
07:15 allanparsons i used to be a big client
07:15 manfred cool
07:16 allanparsons glad they moved towards openstack
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07:16 manfred yar
07:16 allanparsons and got rid of that cloud product offering from like 5 years ago
07:16 manfred so
07:16 manfred that one from five years ago... is still technically around, we still have to support them, but yeah pretty much moved completely away as much as possible
07:17 allanparsons they had a limit of 200 nodes / account
07:17 allanparsons so we had to open 5 accounts when we had large transcode projects to do
07:17 manfred heh
07:17 manfred allanparsons: https://github.com/rcbops/chef-cookbooks
07:18 allanparsons starred!
07:19 manfred http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/installing-openstack-with-rackspace-private-cloud-tools
07:19 manfred that is the documentation for it
07:19 manfred eventually I will start writing them as salt states
07:20 allanparsons rax moving totally towards salt?
07:21 manfred we are moving towards them all
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07:22 allanparsons oh nice.
07:22 manfred well, all except puppet which I find weird, but w/e, we spun up chef first, and are now doing salt and ansible for different things internally
07:22 allanparsons yeah, i hated puppet
07:22 allanparsons docs sucked
07:22 allanparsons and they drove you towards their pay product.
07:22 allanparsons we started doing a lot in salt, and i really like it
07:23 allanparsons pretty small team (7 devs, 1 devops engineer - myself), and huge infrastructure (500 - 2500 machines, 300+ databases)
07:23 manfred i prefer salt to the others, but i have been doing a lot of everything recently
07:24 allanparsons deployments + management are a nightmare without salt.
07:24 allanparsons we are also a python shop
07:24 manfred allanparsons: we just opened up heat on the api
07:24 allanparsons so, it just makes sense
07:24 manfred allanparsons: http://docs.rackspace.com/orchestration/api/v1/orchestration-devguide/content/overview.html
07:25 allanparsons heat on the api?
07:25 manfred ours is only integrated with chef right now, but salt and ansible and puppet all work with openstacks heat
07:25 manfred so they will be coming soon
07:25 manfred ish*
07:26 manfred but it does all your orchestration, on spinning up servers, or if you decide to do autoscaling, when the server is done building you could configure it with chef cookbooks and then add it to the load balancer, which is what we were missing before because the checkmate deployments and autoscaling were completely seperate things
07:26 allanparsons ah, nice.
07:26 manfred http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/rackspace-deployment-services.html
07:26 allanparsons yeah, we're using AWS at the moment (sorry!0
07:27 manfred no worries :P
07:27 allanparsons but, we use all base AMIs and bootstrap, add to DNS, check into salt, and configure
07:27 manfred yar
07:28 allanparsons worst cloud provider out there:  Azure
07:28 manfred i have a full 6 paragraph email that I email to anyone that will listen about how our autoscaling forces users to use golden images... which is what we have been preaching they shouldn't use
07:28 allanparsons yeah, AWS tells people to use golden images
07:28 manfred well
07:28 allanparsons but they are too hard to manage
07:28 manfred aws also has sns
07:28 allanparsons and take too long to build (we do about 25-30 bulds a day)
07:29 manfred http://www.soabloke.com/2010/10/23/aws-pubsub-to-a-webhook/
07:29 manfred hook that into the salt-api, and magic.
07:29 manfred I am working on hooking our monitoring agent into salt api, so i can completely just go around the terrible autoscaling :P
07:30 manfred http://docs.rackspace.com/cm/api/v1.0/cm-devguide/content/service-notifications.html#service-notifications-create
07:30 allanparsons :)
07:31 allanparsons man, this has come a long way since my VEVO days at Rax
07:31 allanparsons impressive
07:34 allanparsons i gotta go to sleep - i'll tag you in that request in the morning
07:35 allanparsons thanks again for the help
07:35 manfred np
07:35 allanparsons and thanks for this: http://www.soabloke.com/2010/10/23/aws-pubsub-to-a-webhook/
07:35 manfred g'night!
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12:31 mikeywaites Hey guys, im having a few issues with node id matching.  Is there any way to see what the master things a minions id is?
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13:00 cmr5 How can I set up and be sure that only one specific IP can connect the minion's unix domain socket?
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14:49 philipsd6 mikeywaites: if you do a salt-key -L you should see all your minions listed (those are the minion ids!)
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14:56 mikeywaites philipsd6:  yeh i noticed a really small typo in the hostname
14:56 mikeywaites all sorted now
14:56 mikeywaites had a nightmare getting it to be picked up
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15:28 giles Hello everyone. Anyone available to lend some guidance? I am trying to setup a master-minion setup to keep a user present on the minion servers.
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15:55 keekz giles: lots of examples in the links here: http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/index.html#example-salt-states
15:58 giles ah missed that set of links
15:58 giles thanks
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16:57 mikeywaites Anyone know why its not possible to set the group when creating a virtualenv using the virtualenv state?  seems like the user can be provided but no the grouo
16:57 mikeywaites group
16:57 ambientsound mikeywaites: user is used as the actual user performing the virtualenv commands
16:57 ambientsound use file.directory to enforce modes
16:58 ambientsound that's how I've been doing it anyway
16:58 mikeywaites ambientsound:  Yeh i just droped the virtualenv and re run using a fil.directory def hopefully that will sort it thanks
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17:20 giles https://gist.github.com/UtahDave/3785738 I have tried following this exactly but I still cannot get the user to post down to the minion
17:21 giles after setting up these files i just run salt '*' pillar.items right?
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18:45 analogbyte is anybody successfully using the virt.init command? I can't get it to do anything inside the image (ie, installing salt or presseding the key)
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20:13 Guest87778 Can I store information about a minion in salt in such a way that I can still query it if the minion is currently down? In other words, using something other than a custom grain?
20:13 Guest87778 meh ... another net split
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20:17 andrej Can I store information about a minion in salt in such a way that I can still query it if the minion is cur
20:17 andrej rently down? In other words, using something other than a custom grain?
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20:35 manfred you can use the saltmine?
20:40 manfred http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.mine.html
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20:58 andrej hi manfred, thanks for the link ... how would I formulate a mine incantation that stores a grain {owner: - system} for the minion 'andrej'?
21:01 manfred so far I have only used it for the following in the minion config,
21:01 manfred mine_functions:
21:01 manfred network.ip_addrs: []
21:01 manfred to send back the ip addrs
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23:41 jeremyBass hello would anyone have an example of self signed certificate as a state?  .. i know there is this http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.tls.html .. but http://pastebin.com/cKeW7mxM is what i was thinking it would have been and it's not seeming to work.. is there a good example out there somewhere
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