Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:16 allanparsons ah, it ended up being the "-" in {% endfor -%}
00:17 manfred allanparsons: - means remove a line
00:17 manfred in the {%- or -%}
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00:24 allanparsons ah
00:24 allanparsons ok
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01:20 allanparsons anyone still around?
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01:28 dave_den nope
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01:36 jcockhren heh
01:36 allanparsons are there easy ways to pass pillar data.
01:37 allanparsons i have a deploys sls
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01:37 allanparsons and i want to call a more specific sls (supervisor) and inject pillar data that'd i've rendered in my deploy sls
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01:38 allanparsons dunno if the "extend" would be appropriate to use
01:45 allanparsons like, i want to send in context if i call another sls, similar to what's done when calling jinja templates
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03:01 dman777_alter I wouldn't want salt-minion runnning on the salt master, would I?
03:01 nkuttler dman777_alter: sure, why not?
03:01 dman777_alter nkuttler: I thought salt-minion only ran on the minions?
03:02 nkuttler dman777_alter: well the master can be a minion as well
03:02 dman777_alter nkuttler: hmm...why would the master be a minion? I thought the master controls the minions.
03:03 nkuttler dman777_alter: so that you can configure it easily
03:04 dman777_alter nkuttler: sorry, I'm new. I read the tutorials... they didn't mention configureing the minions with salt-minion running on master. just the top files, sls files, and pillar for configuration.
03:05 dman777_alter nkuttler: can you please explain?
03:05 nkuttler dman777_alter: you configure the minions with the master. the box that is the master can configure itself if it is a minion as well
03:05 nkuttler you don't have to do that. i just find it convenient
03:06 dman777_alter nkuttler: wierd...but a human needs to configure the master..such as the top files, sls files, and pillar. How would the salt-minion configure those files without a human?
03:06 nkuttler dman777_alter: it wouldn't
03:07 nkuttler dman777_alter: the master (app) does *not* configure itself, just the host it runs on
03:07 nkuttler but just don't do it if you don't see the need for it
03:08 dman777_alter nkuttler: ok, cool. thanks
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16:01 RobSpectre Anyone having an issue post-2014 upgrade with hanging highstates?
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16:37 patrek_ "salt-master -l debug" stops at "[DEBUG   ] Configuration file path: /etc/salt/master" and does not seem to really start. CentOS. No ports are opened. Any clue anyone?
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17:54 dman777_alter as far as cloud servers go, the company I use I can spawn a cloud server through a api using curl. Can I set salt to run these api calls?
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17:59 xDam0x Does anyone have any idea on this error: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/11435
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18:12 dman777_alter sorry, I got disconnected earlier. Is there documentation for using salt with rackspace? I found the old one before openstack
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18:16 dman777_alter nice found some...is this the best? http://salt-cloud.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/rackspace.html
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18:25 dman777_alter hml..
18:25 dman777_alter hmm
18:25 dman777_alter it seems ubuntu's salt is out of date?
18:25 dman777_alter I don't have a /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/
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18:33 dman777_alter it seems to be stuck at: Preparing to replace salt-master 0.16.0-1 (using .../salt-master_2014.1.0-1saucy1_all.deb) ...
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18:46 dman777_alter I'm using the latest version of salt
18:46 xDam0x When working with the reactor is it possible to access pillars of the host connecting?
18:46 dman777_alter do I need to make a /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
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19:18 dman777_1lter hey anyone around?
19:24 RandalSchwartz still sorting through the massive docs.  can a state require two packages be installed, then execute a command
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19:38 obimod hey guys!
19:38 obimod quick question.. should I just use roles for grains groups?
19:39 obimod or i guess i could create a "groups" attribute of minions?
19:43 obimod what would happen if i created additional attributes in a minion config, would that break the prog?
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19:55 dman777 what directive do
19:55 dman777 what directive do I use to make /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg point to  /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
19:56 dman777 err...I mean use /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
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19:56 RobSpectre Is there a location of past releases of Salt?
19:57 RobSpectre This 2014 upgrade is just giving me too many fits.
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20:00 RandalSchwartz I imagine you can pull it from github
20:03 * dman777 sound of crickets
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20:07 RandalSchwartz I'm new here, or I'd be helping. :)
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20:09 dman777 naw, it's ccool. i appreciate it
20:10 RobSpectre All good in the hood Randal.  Know you're a helpful dude.
20:10 RandalSchwartz I'm madly reading docs left and right.  now looking at stackoverflow q & a
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20:11 RobSpectre Really love salt, but spent all day debugging a hanging highstate job that works fine in 0.17.5. :/
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20:31 dman777 sorry
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20:52 dman777 err...I mean use /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
20:52 dman777 what directive do I use to make /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg point to  /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
20:52 dman777 err...I mean use /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/?
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21:11 ender part of Salt's claim is that is secure, but i see no threat model or documentation surrounding this claim. can i get some help in that category?
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21:34 RandalSchwartz is there a way for me to have a short name for a host so I don't have to keep typing its FQDN?
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22:02 RandalSchwartz so if my top.sls looks like: base: \n 'chris1*': \n - chris1
22:02 RandalSchwartz and chris1.sls looks like one of the file.managed examples I see
22:02 RandalSchwartz should that not pull up?
22:02 RandalSchwartz I get "data failed to compile" and some python backtrace
22:03 RandalSchwartz maybe a jinja error?
22:03 RandalSchwartz bottom error is # We want explicit context to overwrite the **kws
22:04 RandalSchwartz is that ringing a bell for anyone?
22:11 EWDurbin RandalSchwartz: a paste with states and traceback should help
22:12 RandalSchwartz any preferred pastebin?
22:14 dman777 I'm using I am using 2014.1.0. Do I need to manually make /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/ to use Rackspace configuration?
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22:15 dman777 ah..wait..I see...cloud.cfg.d
22:15 RandalSchwartz ... http://pastebin.com/n23xbMYT
22:15 diegows RandalSchwartz, from FLOSS Weekly?
22:15 RandalSchwartz tis me
22:16 diegows I need a proof, says thanks to Diego in your next show :)
22:16 RandalSchwartz do you want me to hold up a print of this transcript too? :)
22:16 dman777 http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/cloud/config.html?highlight=cloud%20provider docs need to be updated. is root@salt:/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/10_rackspace.cfg what I modify to use as cloud provider?
22:17 RandalSchwartz anyway - I'm dead in the water here.  I know the problem is in compiling chris1.sls, because the other 4 hours all say "no top file", so I know top.sls is working
22:17 diegows RandalSchwartz, yes :)
22:17 diegows RandalSchwartz, try with this
22:17 diegows file.present: []
22:17 diegows anyway, your test is a little weird
22:17 diegows or
22:17 RandalSchwartz I just want an innocent test to tell me I ran on chris1
22:18 RandalSchwartz what's the least damage I can cause? :)
22:18 diegows I think that present doesn't exists
22:18 diegows anyway
22:18 diegows should be
22:18 diegows file.exists
22:18 RandalSchwartz can you suggest something else for my first test?
22:18 RandalSchwartz my step 2 is create a file in /tmp somehow
22:18 RandalSchwartz but I can't even seem to get step 1 to work
22:18 diegows hehe
22:18 diegows one second
22:19 diegows yes, file.present doesn't exists
22:19 diegows try with
22:19 diegows /:
22:19 diegows file.exists
22:19 diegows should work
22:19 RandalSchwartz colon or no colon
22:19 diegows use the corrent indentation plean :)
22:19 RandalSchwartz after file.exist
22:19 diegows no colon
22:20 RandalSchwartz same error
22:20 diegows if you put a color, salt will expect somthing after the color
22:20 RandalSchwartz same line numbers
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22:22 dman777 meh...doesn't look like it
22:22 dman777 Hi, I'm using I am using 2014.1.0. Do I need to manually make /etc/salt/cloud.providers.d/ to use Rackspace configuration?
22:22 diegows let me try
22:23 RandalSchwartz if you can give me a different innocent command to run, I'd be willing
22:23 RandalSchwartz maybe cmd.run: uptime
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22:25 EWDurbin Methinks that / isn't a good candidate for file.exists RandalSchwartz
22:26 diegows EWDurbin, but it should work :)
22:26 EWDurbin I'm not at a useful machine, but file.touch in /tmp may get a result
22:26 EWDurbin agreed. / *is* an file
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22:27 EWDurbin Failed to compile really confuses me
22:27 EWDurbin Pastebin looks innocuous enough
22:28 RandalSchwartz maybe something is broken in my install... I can try recompiling everything py-salt depends on
22:28 diegows RandalSchwartz, I think it's not necessary
22:28 EWDurbin Agreed
22:28 diegows yes, the error is weird
22:30 RandalSchwartz heh - the only reason python is on this system is for py-salt
22:30 diegows how did you install salt?
22:30 RandalSchwartz I could just blow away all python related things and start over
22:30 EWDurbin Oh, trailing colon after the non existent state looks to be a problem, but already addressed
22:31 RandalSchwartz freebsd - portmaster -D */py-salt
22:31 RandalSchwartz from inside usr/ports that is
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22:33 RandalSchwartz I wonder if I blow away py-salt if my minion keys will be erase.
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22:33 RandalSchwartz I guess I can copy them out for now
22:33 mortis made a veeeery short blogpost about this thing http://dingleberry.me/2014/03/running-nagiosplugins-via-saltstacks-peer-communication/
22:34 dman777 for rackspace do I use provider: rackspace or provider: openstack?
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22:35 RandalSchwartz yeah - I think the fastest way to get back to a known state is blow away python and all of its dependencies (after shutting down daemo), and then reinstalling only py-salt
22:35 RandalSchwartz there might be some corrupt files left there from before when it used to be called "salt" as a port
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22:37 diegows RandalSchwartz, your exxample (using file.exists) works for me
22:37 diegows are you using the correct indentation?
22:38 RandalSchwartz two spaces... and then 4 spaces on next line
22:39 diegows looks fine
22:39 RandalSchwartz ... stretch# pkg info 'py*'
22:39 RandalSchwartz pkg: No package(s) matching py*
22:39 RandalSchwartz and now we start the install
22:40 RandalSchwartz and yes, I remembered to stop the daemons before trying this
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22:40 RandalSchwartz made that mistake before
22:40 RandalSchwartz upgrading some daemon, forgot to stop previous version... very confused
22:42 RandalSchwartz go go gadget compiler go
22:42 RandalSchwartz so what would be a sensible innocent thing to try.  file in /tmp like I was thinking?
22:42 RandalSchwartz I definitely don't want to get into pkg installs yet
22:42 RandalSchwartz or managing existing services on that box
22:43 RandalSchwartz although it is a redundant box, since we have two of them loadbalanced
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22:54 dman777 wow, this works really nice. http://docs.saltstack.com/topics/cloud/rackspace.html should be updated with the new openstack and performance cloud servers. it just a matter of changing a couple of linnes
22:54 dman777 lines
22:57 RandalSchwartz even after completely reinstalled python and py-salt, still get that same error :(
22:58 * RandalSchwartz beats head on desk
22:58 RandalSchwartz this works with python 2.7 right?
23:00 RandalSchwartz here's the new sls I'm trying, and the error message: http://pastebin.com/aZj8KGJp
23:01 RandalSchwartz anyone have any better clues for me to try?
23:01 RandalSchwartz Oh - I also ran into problems on chris1 when I upgraded salt to py-salt
23:02 RandalSchwartz maybe that's where the trouble is
23:04 diegows RandalSchwartz, what version of salt? salt --version?
23:05 diegows and remember, replace present with exists :)
23:05 diegows present doesn't exists in salt
23:05 RandalSchwartz ... salt 2014.1.1
23:05 RandalSchwartz I changed to making a file in /tmp
23:06 RandalSchwartz see my pastebin
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23:07 diegows yes, looks fine
23:07 RandalSchwartz I'm scorched earth on chris1 now, in case that's the problem too
23:07 diegows I think it's an issue with freebsd ports
23:08 diegows may be the jinja version is old
23:08 RandalSchwartz Jinja2-2.7.1
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23:11 RandalSchwartz py-salt was just updated mar 22
23:11 RandalSchwartz mar 21 to 2014.1.1
23:11 RandalSchwartz wow... that *is* bleeding edge :0
23:12 diegows yes
23:12 diegows not sure what is broken there
23:12 diegows you state files are fine
23:13 RandalSchwartz well - recompiling chris1 just in case the problem is with the minion
23:13 RandalSchwartz but I suspect it never gets that far... looks like an error while trying to come up with the final state formulas on master side
23:15 dman777 what does salt-syndic do?
23:16 diegows dman777, it's like a proxy to other minions
23:16 diegows master->syndic->minions
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23:21 RandalSchwartz OK - salt is recompiled on chris1
23:21 RandalSchwartz here we go
23:21 RandalSchwartz WOOOO HOOO!
23:21 RandalSchwartz that was it
23:22 diegows ?
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23:23 diegows ey, you interviewed Tomas months ago and this is your first time trying salt? that's bad :)
23:24 RandalSchwartz Yes did
23:24 RandalSchwartz well - I tried it a while ago but the freebsd support was lacking
23:26 RandalSchwartz wow - and updating the file contents and the text state update the target file!
23:26 RandalSchwartz sorry - I've just never seen ths thing work before :)
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