Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:02 stevednd I'm confused, do reactor files run in the context of the minion that fired the event for one, or are they run in the context of the master?
00:03 stevednd I had a reactor that I was working on earlier that appeared to run in context of the minion that fired the event, but now the reactor I'm working on seems to be from the master
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00:06 whytewolf reactors are master side
00:06 iggy stevednd: reactors run on the master
00:07 stevednd whytewolf: right, but I can't figure out why I was getting different results with a different state
00:07 geekatcmu So ... it's reacting poorly?
00:08 stevednd I don't know, I would love it if it would run in the context of the firing minion
00:09 iggy minions don't have reactors
00:09 stevednd I know they don't. but they can trigger events
00:10 iggy on the master
00:10 stevednd right
00:10 stevednd I'm just saying it would be really helpful to access all the grain/pillar data about the minion that made the call
00:10 iggy are you saying you want the master to completely emulate the minion, run stuff, then ship those changes in some format to the minion?
00:11 stevednd not really back to the same minion. maybe to a group of minions
00:11 iggy I wouldn't hold my breath
00:12 stevednd yeah, I know
00:12 whytewolf humm. I could see that going horrably wrong.
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00:13 stevednd for now I'm using my round about method of calling a state on necessary minion(s), then firing another event with the necessary grain/pillar data packed in
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00:27 enigma99a hey does anyone know the answer to this?: If you run like salt '*' state.sls mystate, is it possible to get output before it is completely done?
00:28 iggy no, that's really not the way salt is designed
00:28 iggy it's meant to be "this is how I want my system to look, go do it and let me know when you're done if anything went wrong"
00:30 babilen You can, however, run it on the minion with salt-call -ldebug
00:30 enigma99a thanks guys
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00:47 hal58th_1 enigma99a: to further explain the answer, Salt sends messages via zeromq message bus when the "thing" is done. If you wanted progess as it was being done, it would mean a ton of messages.
00:48 enigma99a hal58th_1: yeah makes sense. My job could potentially take an hour or two but at least you can do a query on job status
00:48 Sokel Could someone explain to me why saltstack decided to have its own yum repository isntead of updating epel? The page isn't clear at all as to the reason why.
00:50 babilen "I replaced you with a very small script"
00:52 whytewolf Sokel: because they epel was being updated by third party maintainers and they decided to bring it in house
00:55 Sokel That seems a little extreme.
00:57 whytewolf not really. lots of companies maintain their own repo vs having a third party repo. and it isn't just the rpm repos. it is also the debian/ubuntu repos
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00:58 babilen They essentially insisted on making packages of a new version available for all distributions/platforms at the same time. That naturally caused delays with maintainers and frustrations ..
00:59 babilen Not entirely sure why Saltstack didn't just decide to simply release their software and let maintainers take care of the packaging in due course, but the main reason I can think of are heterogenous infrastructures
01:00 babilen The problem is that the current packages are, AFAIUI, built automagically by a script and that the entirety of their packaging efforts has not yet been open sourced
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01:00 babilen I am therefore hesitant to use their "new" packages
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01:02 iggy Sokel: go look at salt version tag dates and when versions actually made it into epel... and then check the issue tracker/irc logs/etc of people getting all butt hurt that rpm distros were constantly behind
01:03 Sokel And these are the same people who just won't step up to the plate and maintain the packages for EPEL.
01:04 babilen No need, it's all done automatically now!
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01:05 whytewolf personally I'm hesitent to put epel on newer cent boxes anymore. it is getting kind of bloated
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01:05 whytewolf not that a really run many new cent boxes
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01:07 whytewolf coarse there is the fact that the ubuntu PPA is still at 2015.5.3 even though before this change went into production 2015.5.5 was released
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01:15 iggy that's one of the reasons this all boiled over
01:16 iggy saltstack didn't have control over their suggested sources to get updated packages... one guy who's doing the work dissappears and all of a sudden nobody gets updates anymore
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01:31 Eugene The solution to that, of course, is to sign up as the maintainer for your software in those third-party repos
01:31 Eugene I don't dare visit the politics on the mailing list  for that, though
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01:42 iggy well, epel isn't exactly welcoming from what I've heard, and ppa's aren't really any better than just running your own repo.saltstack.com
01:42 nikogonzo once SaltOS becomes a thing we'll forget the ppa ever happened
01:42 iggy most of us already have...
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01:56 whytewolf ugh. salt keystone does not like Liberty Keystone. do i meddle with this. or do i just go play fallout and forget about it for now
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02:10 Eugene I vote for the option with the drinking
02:10 Eugene Whichever one that may be
02:13 whytewolf Eugene: all of the above
02:13 Eugene Good choice!
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02:47 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | 2015.8.1 is the latest | Please use https://gist.github.com for code, don't paste directly into the channel | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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03:29 cliluw How do I check that a minion is connected to a master from the minion side?
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03:41 Eugene That's a good question.
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04:59 ashutoshn bcoca: Can you let me know how should I proceed, I am willing to contribute to community in Ansible documentation ?
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05:54 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | 2015.8.1 is the latest | Please use https://gist.github.com for code, don't paste directly into the channel | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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06:25 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt | 2015.8.1 is the latest | Please use https://gist.github.com for code, don't paste directly into the channel | Please be patient when asking questions as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers | Channel logs are available at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/
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08:27 Vynce where can i find docs on default grains?  in particular, i'm looking to find out the difference between 'localhost' and 'host'
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08:52 iggy source
08:53 iggy cliluw: minion logs will say
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10:53 Vynce iggy: i don't think i've once dived into the salt source and come out with fewer questions than when i went in.
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11:11 evanlivingston Hey all. Are than any resources for understanding how to render config files using pillar and jinja
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11:34 evanlivingston oof
11:34 evanlivi1gston oof
11:45 Vynce evanlivi1gston: only the googleable docs, afaik.
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15:53 TreborTech I'm getting "Could not LazyLoad mxl.ping" for a custom proxy-minion I created. https://gist.github.com/trebortech/4b338cfbab505e5f8482
15:54 TreborTech I do see the info messages for virtual and init and even shutdown. It just doesn't to recognize the custom methods I created
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16:49 iggy TreborTech: proxy minions are black magic... what version of salt?
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16:53 TreborTech I've tried 2015.8.0 and 2015.8.1... Yes I agree
16:54 iggy This might sound counter-intuitive, but have you tried an older version?
16:56 TreborTech I haven't yet. I might deploy on another local lab box and see if that will work. I'm also planning on stripping this down to very basic method calls and nothing else. It's very strange what is going on.
16:56 iggy I ask because there were lot's of changes to proxy minions at one point
16:56 iggy can't remember if that was just before or just after 2015.8
16:57 iggy so trying devel might be a good test too
16:58 TreborTech devel I think will be the direction I take. Cro has been doing a ton of work on this and I want to provide feedback if possible.
16:59 TreborTech I was just curious if anyone saw anything missing from my code snippet.
16:59 TreborTech My guess is not too many people are messing with proxy minions
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18:35 Guest17866 Hi.
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18:51 Guest17866 I'm having a problem with salt-ssh.
18:52 Guest17866 When I use the pkgrepo.managed state, I get this:
18:52 Guest17866 Comment: State 'pkgrepo.managed' was not found in SLS 'snafu.cloud.all.repos'
18:52 Guest17866 Reason: 'pkgrepo' __virtual__ returned False
18:55 Guest17866 Anyone has an idea where I should start looking?
18:55 Guest17866 I didn't find a bug report on this.
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19:01 Guest17866 Here's the complete output I get: http://ix.io/mdu
19:03 babilen Which repo?
19:03 babilen err
19:03 babilen distro
19:04 Guest17866 babilen: both master and minon are debian jessie
19:06 babilen And you have python-apt installed on the minion and restarted it/reloaded modules after you installed it?
19:06 babilen Are *any* pkg.* module functions available (e.g. pkg.version $PKG)
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19:09 Guest17866 babilen: Okay. I see.
19:09 Guest17866 Is there a package I can install to have all states on my minions?
19:10 babilen No, I don't think something like that exists (and would pull in *a lot* of unnnecessary stuff)
19:10 babilen It's just that a bunch of modules are not being loaded if some of their dependencies are missing which also means that the states in question aren't available
19:10 Guest17866 babilen: okay. That makes sense.
19:11 babilen I typically check the __virtual__ function in the state/module if something isn't working and the dependencies have not been documented
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19:12 moeyeb babilen: Okay. So I can help document the dependencies that way, I suppose?
19:13 babilen If they are not mentioned, then yeah, sure!
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19:17 babilen https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.aptpkg.html in this case python-apt has been mentioned though
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