Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #salt, 2015-12-31

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00:00 wt I don't like expanding into the contents field of a file.managed state as you have to make sure you are compliant with the yaml to make it work.
00:00 mage_ how would you do ?
00:00 wt I would use a separate template that includes the expansion and either supply the pillars by context or use the pillar variable from the template directly.
00:01 mage_ right, thanks :)
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00:03 wt If you supply the pillars as context, I would use the yaml_encode if they are scalar. If not scalar, you should probably refer to the pillar var from the template.
00:04 mage_ and something like https://gist.github.com/silenius/bd204baa2f954c5f54a4 ?
00:05 mage_ I'll check yaml_encode, never used this before
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00:16 Ryan_Lane mage_: with jinja like that, make sure to end your jinja blocks with -%}
00:16 Ryan_Lane or you're going to get a lot of whitespace
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00:20 mage_ Ryan_Lane: yep, I always use -%}
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00:52 murrdoc iggy
00:52 murrdoc u there
00:53 murrdoc or jfindlay
00:53 murrdoc got a request for repos in saltstack-formulas
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01:43 XenophonF isn't it possible to get help for a function from the salt/salt-call CLI?
01:47 drawsmcgraw XenophonF: man 7(?) salt
01:47 drawsmcgraw yeah, man 7 salt is all the salt docs. But I don't think that's exactly what you want
01:48 XenophonF no i mean something like the python equivalent of help(salt.modules.saltutil.sync_all)
01:48 XenophonF er, the salt equivalent of that python code
01:48 XenophonF you know, to get the docstrings of a module or state function
01:49 XenophonF i keep reaching for the web browser or the source code
01:49 whytewolf XenophonF: sys.doc module.function
01:50 drawsmcgraw salt-call sys.doc module.function
01:50 drawsmcgraw damn... :P
01:50 whytewolf :P
01:50 drawsmcgraw yep. Backing away from the laptop now
01:52 XenophonF ah hah
01:52 XenophonF thanks!
01:52 whytewolf there is also sys.state_doc, sys.runner_doc, sys.renderer_doc, and sys.returner_doc
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02:37 XenophonF hm, how to run a powershell command before the cmd module is loaded...
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03:07 iggy I can't add repos to saltstack-formulas
03:07 iggy murrdoc ^
03:25 XenophonF does a module's __virtual__() function get called every time a function from that module gets invoked?
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03:31 XenophonF i guess it does
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03:49 iggy it shouldn't
03:50 iggy but it will get called if reload_modules is called
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09:20 MTecknology wrong channel...
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14:44 amcorreia How can I force reload a module? I just put a new server and when I run a command, I got error saying "Module XXX is not available". but in old nodes its working perfect
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15:06 winsalt theres a sync command in saltutil
15:09 XenophonF amcorreia: are you sure the module is on your minion? try saltutil.sync_all
15:09 XenophonF e.g., i have to run "salt-call saltutil.sync_all saltenv=development" on my dev minion, as the module I'm writing is not in the base environment's _modules folder
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15:21 amcorreia XenophonF, didn't work :(
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15:30 tinyhippo whenever I connect a minion to my master within my LAN, it always has the same hostname "advancedsearch.virginmedia.com" any ideas why? my ISP is virginmedia
15:31 tinyhippo ah wait nevermind.
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15:42 amcorreia I found problem...this new node I changed name from node and didn't match saltenv..
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15:48 XenophonF ah good, glad you figured it out
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15:51 amcorreia have a way to run commands to minions but in order just after previous minion finish?
15:52 amcorreia let me explain...I have a mariadb cluster, and I can't restart all nodes at same time...
15:52 amcorreia or restart mariadb
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15:55 XenophonF amcorreia: i think this is what you want - https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/states_pt5.html
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16:23 iggy and other bits of documentation, but the feature is called orchestration
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16:30 winsalt do they have to be in a specific order, amcorreia? if not there is a batch job flag '-b x', so "salt minons -b 2 test.ping" would run ping on 2 minions at a time
16:31 amcorreia winsalt, no, and I have to do one at a time.
16:31 amcorreia XenophonF, thanks i'll take a look
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16:32 winsalt so, "-b 1" would do them one at a time
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16:46 iggy I really wish batch was a global state option... that would be killer
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16:54 foundatron Is it possible to target IP cidr in jinja templates like I would grains?
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16:55 iggy !salt modules.network
16:55 saltstackbot http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.network.html
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16:56 iggy in_subnet ip_in_subnet etc
16:57 foundatron How would that would work in a jinja template? I'm I'm basically saying to make an if statement that says if the minion cidr 10.0.0.0/16 then variable is foo, else variable is bar
16:58 foundatron I see the examples for how to do it with grains, but I can't find example with cidrs
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16:58 foundatron iggy do you have an example of that stashed some where that I could peak at?
16:58 iggy {% if salt['network.in_subnet'](cidr) %}{% var = 'foo' %}{% else %}{% var = 'bar' %}
16:58 iggy or something
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16:59 foundatron Cool
16:59 foundatron I can work with this
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16:59 foundatron gracias
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17:17 XenophonF can anyone point me toward a YAML-to-XML renderer?
17:18 dijit gah! you need two git repositories if you want pillar and states to be served directly from git?
17:18 XenophonF dijit: yes
17:18 whytewolf dijit: yes.
17:18 dijit I dislike splitting my data so.
17:18 dijit :\
17:18 XenophonF you want them to be separate
17:18 dijit why?
17:18 XenophonF that's kind of the point of pillar
17:18 dijit orly
17:18 dijit I ship them together.
17:18 XenophonF state data can be accessed by any minion
17:19 XenophonF pillar data can only be accessed by the minion to which it's targeted
17:19 XenophonF pillar data is like "need to know"
17:19 dijit hm, maybe I misunderstood.
17:19 dijit I always "push" from master.
17:20 XenophonF you'd put a secret into pillar and only assign it to the minions that need that secret
17:20 dijit figured pillar data was to store variables that change.
17:20 XenophonF that too
17:20 dijit but yes, I do that with my secrets.
17:20 XenophonF you shouldn't put secrets into state data
17:20 whytewolf dijit: pillar data is meant to be a secure way to transfer variables that change
17:20 dijit I don't.
17:21 dijit I put it into pillars.
17:21 dijit with a gpg renderrer.
17:21 dijit orly. hm.
17:21 dijit ok
17:21 dijit so I should split out my pillar data?
17:21 * dijit grumbles
17:21 whytewolf yarly
17:21 XenophonF pillar and state data should be separate
17:21 XenophonF are separate, in the default install
17:21 dijit I just have them in folders along side each other.
17:22 dijit /srv/salt /srv/pillar
17:22 XenophonF that's fine
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17:22 dijit but in the same git repo.
17:22 XenophonF salt's file server treats them separately
17:22 dijit ah yes, you're right.
17:22 dijit I gets it.
17:22 XenophonF i think you can tell gitfs to serve two different trees out of the same repo
17:22 dijit I just didn't want multiple repos.
17:22 XenophonF so you can keep your one repo
17:23 dijit orly!
17:23 XenophonF i don't remember offhand - let me double check
17:23 dijit :O <3
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17:23 XenophonF https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/gitfs.html#serving-from-a-subdirectory
17:24 XenophonF https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/gitfs.html#gitfs-per-remote-config
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17:25 XenophonF i have two separate git repositories
17:26 XenophonF the two repos have different workflows, so that makes more sense to me
17:26 dijit hm
17:26 dijit I can't see how to specify which is pillar.
17:26 dijit but this is great.
17:26 dijit thanks!
17:26 XenophonF ext_pillars?
17:27 XenophonF that's how i do it, anyway
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17:57 foundatron XenophonF
17:57 foundatron XenophonF
17:57 foundatron XenophonF
17:57 foundatron xenophonF dijit what I'm setting up is one git repo for states and pillars, and using gitfs and ext_pillar identify root folders , myrepo/states and myrepo/pillar. For more the really sensitive pillar data I'm setting up a s3 bucket ext_pillar
17:57 XenophonF foundatron: yes i'm here
17:57 foundatron weird
17:57 foundatron not sure what happened
17:57 XenophonF heh
17:57 foundatron but I got your attention :)
17:58 XenophonF yes, you did
17:58 XenophonF now, what's you're ip address <logs into obital strike ground station>
17:59 XenophonF speaking of s3, i was going to use that for state data
17:59 XenophonF this was around 2015.1, and i couldn't get it to work properly :(
18:03 foundatron My hope is to always have much in version control as possible...using s3 when not appropriate. Though there is some "version control" available with s3...but that's really more at the object level rather than at the code level...so not great for code reviews and such
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18:28 jfindlay http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ is now working again
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18:30 jfindlay Nebraskka: did you ever get a response on your timezone formula?
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18:31 jfindlay it seems that there is already a timezone formula in saltstack-formulas, https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/timezone-formula
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19:06 setient i have a question about pillar data.  can i nest a get within another get
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19:08 setient well really a question for a jinja template where i want to get some pillar data where the pillar data is like cacerts:{other_pillar_data_saying_which_ca}:pubcert
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19:10 whytewolf setient: {% set yourdata = salt.pillar.get('cacerts:'~ salt.pillar.get('otherpillardata','default') ~':pubcert','default') %}
19:10 setient ooooo
19:13 setient thank you
19:13 whytewolf np
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19:53 XenophonF what's the '~' there, whytewolf? string concatenation?
19:55 whytewolf XenophonF: yeah
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19:57 whytewolf XenophonF: http://jinja.pocoo.org/docs/dev/templates/#other-operators
20:00 cprior Hello folks! I want to fire an event inside a Python script in a virtualenv. What is the recommended way to install the salt.utils.event module? (Currently the virtualenv was created manually, might move into a Git repo in the future.)
20:02 cprior Would I go about as in "INSTALLING SALT FOR DEVELOPMENT
20:03 cprior " ( https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/development/hacking.html ) ?
20:06 XenophonF whytewolf: ah thanks!
20:06 whytewolf cprior: yes
20:06 whytewolf XenophonF: no problem
20:07 cprior whytewolf: many thanks!
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20:23 zmalone whoa, I just started looking at https://github.com/saltstack/salt-pack
20:23 zmalone try and clone it
20:24 whytewolf with all those tar.gz's i would rather pass for now
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20:24 zmalone 465mb
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21:09 cprior So inside a virtualenv I have now the modules available, as per https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/development/hacking.html , and can import salt.client
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21:10 cprior But do I need to run a Minion inside the virtualenv to fire events to my "master outside"?
21:10 whytewolf yes
21:11 cprior Hm. I might just `touch` a file maybe, and trigger a state that fires my event ;)
21:12 whytewolf you could ... skip the hard way and just setup rest_cherrypy and use webhooks to fire events. a lot easier then the minion route.
21:12 XenophonF dir
21:12 whytewolf https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/netapi/all/salt.netapi.rest_cherrypy.html#salt.netapi.rest_cherrypy.app.Webhook
21:12 XenophonF hah whoops
21:12 XenophonF i need to set focus-follows-eyes
21:13 whytewolf focus-follow-anything-but-what-i-care-about
21:13 cprior I have a Raspberry Pi "cluster", and on my master I am "listening" to custom power button presses. Debounced and with a capacitor and such. I want to shutdown -h now the Minions when the master registeres that button press. I will look into the webhooks, thanks for the pointer!
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21:16 whytewolf if the button was on the minion, you could have a beacon listen for the button press.
21:16 whytewolf lots of little different ways to do this
21:17 whytewolf would have to be a custom beacon
21:17 whytewolf https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/beacons/
21:17 zmalone I couldn't get salt-pack's states to run nicely on a test host, has anyone else gotten it working yet?
21:18 whytewolf zmalone: I have not even tried yet. I have most of my enviroment dissassembled while getting in new hardware
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21:19 cprior The button is hardwired to the master, who also runs a minion. I am forcing a need to use "remote execution", not just configuration engine :)
21:20 whytewolf ahh, well can still use a beacon since the master has a minion :P just have to point the resulting reactor at a different host
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21:42 cprior Ah, very nice, beacons can monitor systemd's journald entries. My script already logs into journald. VERY nice, that journald option :)
21:42 cprior But I'll leave that for another year...
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22:16 godlike can cp.push not be used inside a state file? via the command line on the master to get a file from a minion it works perfectly fine, but when trying to put it in a state, I get a KeyError
22:16 godlike https://bpaste.net/show/2f04a403e9f3
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22:17 whytewolf KeyError. you must be using 2015.5.5 or earlyer. anyway. cp.push isn't a state module it is a exacution module. you can use exacution modules with module.run
22:17 whytewolf in states
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22:22 godlike whytewolf: thanks mate, yeah I was using that version and I could see cp.push inside salt's source code on the minion
22:23 whytewolf godlike: cp.push is an exacution module. not a state module. it isn't about being there it is about what kind of module it is. states are built using state modules.
22:23 godlike understood
22:24 whytewolf https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.module.html#salt.states.module.run
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22:58 wangofett is there anything besides cmd.run "tail /path/to/my.file" that I can use to tail a file?
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23:03 whytewolf pretty much just that. might be able to use clever uses of file.seek_read
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