Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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03:00 vodik any best practices for uploading custom systemd service files when also using service.running?
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13:43 tiktb8_ is it possible for a multi master configuration so support 50,000+ minions (possibly more)
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13:45 teatime if you allow multiple masters, I don't see why there'd be any upper limit
13:46 tiktb8_ meaning configuring the minions themselves with multiple masters in the round robin config or with some kind of load balancer in front of the masters with a single master defined at the minion level?
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16:20 tiktb8_ is there a way through the salt cli to list mine data from a minion without posting the command down to the minion?
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17:24 belak I've been attempting to get salt to manage some of my docker infrastructure but I have one container that always seems to restart, even when it doesn't differ, and it always seems to fail with the error "Failed to apply configuration for the following parameters: user"
17:26 belak http://0bin.net/paste/WPm8cxzT2+T1irJ4#P+hEne3g5uPYTfLbux+-QvfNOPOpEjN7e4RaIU9tPWu
17:27 belak I'm a little confused because I never specify user
17:28 belak And this is almost identical to my gogs config which seems to work without any problems at all
17:31 belak Ah, found it... there's a USER statement in the dockerfile which needs to match
17:34 belak So if I don't lose this IRC connection it worked
17:34 belak lol
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17:38 iggy must not have worked
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17:50 belak It worked
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18:13 iggy \o/
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20:05 Sandlayth Hello world
20:05 Sandlayth I am trying to use salt to configure IPv6 on my minion
20:06 Sandlayth I read this https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.network.html
20:06 Sandlayth but I really did'nt understand
20:07 Sandlayth Firstly, is an init.sls file sufficient?
20:07 Sandlayth (given that I have a /etc/network/interfaces file)
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20:15 iggy why don't you try posting the code you're trying to gist.github.com and letting us know what isn't working exactly
20:17 Sandlayth 'cause i can juste paste my /etc/network/interfaces :/
20:18 Sandlayth gist.github.com ?
20:18 Sandlayth i have a blank page
20:19 Sandlayth concerning the init.sls, i don't know what to put in
20:19 Sandlayth it seems confused, but it's too in my head, sorry :/
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21:14 tiktb8_ anyone active?
21:14 Sandlayth Good question.
21:19 tiktb8_ is there anyway to query mine data from the master without a command being sent to the minion
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21:19 tiktb8_ salt 'minion' cache.mine returns with 'cache.mine is not available'
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21:40 gladiatr tiktb8_: the module you’re trying to use is a runner rather than an execution module.  `salt-run cache.mine`
21:40 gladiatr cd
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21:45 tiktb8_ thanks!
21:46 tiktb8_ do runners support targeting as well?
21:49 gladiatr tiktb8_:  I hate to do this to you, but: it really depends on the runner.
21:50 gladiatr minion targetting is not something that is a built-in mechanism for the runner subsystem
21:50 tiktb8_ ha - fair enough sir - i'll RTFM
21:51 gladiatr Also, any runner function  you’re curious about, have a look at the function signature.  Sometimes there are arguments that aren’t documented (or very well documented) that can clarify what the function is looking for in terms of input
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21:57 tiktb8_ the mine appears to make all mine data available to all other monions - is there a mechanism that exists to keep data like this private to the master?
21:58 tiktb8_ i'm looking to aggregate details from multi tenant iot devices and I don't want minions to have access to data that isn't part of their scope
22:00 gladiatr the runner (only available on the salt-master) has access to all of the cached minion data.  The short of it: if you don’t want it to be available via mine, don’t expose it.  How are you configuring your mine?
22:00 iggy the master keeps a cached copy of minion grains and pillars (for targetting)
22:00 iggy so long as you don't put that in the mine, the master can see it, but other minions can't
22:01 tiktb8_ as of now I have mine functions defined on my pillar
22:02 tiktb8_ each tenant will receive their own pillar as a child of a base pillar
22:02 tiktb8_ conceptually environments will equate to tenants
22:04 gladiatr pillar/state environment should be renamed: yawning_bottomless_pits_of_misunderstanding_and_dispair: base
22:04 tiktb8_ HAHA
22:04 tiktb8_ i'm coming from a chef background where we had organizations
22:04 gladiatr tiktb8_:  just set a pillar value (tenant sounds good) and target your minions based on that.
22:06 gladiatr tiktb8_: I think everyone zeros-in on environments as an apparently useful way to create seperation between groups of things.  I haven’t looked at them for a few years (pretty sure it hasn’t changed), but the best you can do is assign a minion a default environment—that doesn’t prevent said minion from explicitly asking for data from an environment that isn’t the default
22:07 iggy ^ 9 times out of 10 if you think you want to use environments, you really don't
22:07 tiktb8_ what I'm really after is the persistance of some execution modules (or mine functions) that I have the ability to query without pushing commands to the minions
22:07 iggy tiktb8_: make custom grains, the master caches minion grains
22:08 iggy then you can target based on that
22:08 tiktb8_ correct me if I'm wrong but aren't grains built with static data
22:08 iggy static-ish
22:09 tiktb8_ i'm after information like running services, packages, uptime, etc...
22:09 iggy salt is not a monitoring tool
22:09 tiktb8_ no - i have sensu for that
22:10 tiktb8_ but with sensu i monitor a specific service
22:11 tiktb8_ i want to know which services are configured on the minion
22:11 gladiatr tiktb8_: in general or specifically services that have been configured by saltstack?
22:11 tiktb8_ in general
22:12 iggy and why don't you want to just query the minions for that info?
22:14 tiktb8_ i'm ok asking the minions for it but I'd like to persist that data and update it on a schedule (mine_interval) so that when a user of the dashboard i'm wrapping around all of this asks to see services running at a given site it doesn't have to issue that command down to the minion
22:15 tiktb8_ some sites may have a few thousand minions
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22:36 iggy well, mine isn't what you want, if you don't want other minions to see the data
22:37 iggy you could set up a scheduler to query that data using a different returner (to push that data to a DB of some sort)
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