Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #salt, 2016-10-07

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00:00 Edgan Rubin: Where as when I am testing master mode code with salt-ssh, I use is_ssh:1
00:00 Rubin i see
00:01 Rubin for my use case, i want it to be identical in every way to what salt-minion would do
00:01 Edgan Rubin: yeah, just teaching you the trick. You might find other uses for it
00:01 Rubin yeah
00:01 Rubin this seems to work though
00:01 Edgan Rubin: There is another gotcha with salt-ssh
00:02 Rubin though im finding if i dont give -c to salt-ssh it still tries to read /etc/salt/master even tohugh i have it in the saltfile
00:02 Edgan Rubin: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/445322/98548147/
00:02 Edgan Rubin: If you use map.jinjas, you have to mention them in the Saltfile
00:03 Rubin im not familiar with map.jinjas
00:03 Edgan Rubin: Since they are referenced via an include like sls files, they don't get transferred in the bundle to the remote machine with the Saltfile reference
00:03 Edgan Rubin: They are a way of setting defaults in a formula.
00:03 Edgan Rubin: Then you don't have to pull most variables from pillars every time
00:03 Rubin oh
00:04 Rubin that might be useful later, yeah
00:04 Edgan Rubin: Also creates shorter variable names  {{ foo }} vs {{ pillar['foo'] }}
00:04 Edgan Rubin: and you then can use another trick to have layered overrides via pillars
00:05 Edgan Rubin: I don't have to use -c, but I do use -i to get it to not worry about known_hosts
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00:06 Edgan Rubin: is Saltfile in .?
00:07 Edgan Rubin: and it should contain, config_dir: .
00:07 Edgan Rubin: Which should solve your /etc/salt/master problem
00:08 Edgan Rubin: if you are in _ssh_master, and Saltfile is in _ssh, then symlink it
00:08 Edgan Rubin: oh, another warning
00:09 Edgan Rubin: salt-ssh doesn't work with gitfs, and if you use gitfs on the salt-master, you can run into corner cases of slightly different behavior
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00:10 Edgan Rubin: A salt:// path of salt://foo/bar//file will work when the git repo is on a filesystem, but not with gitfs. But since you can't use gitfs with salt-ssh, then you will see // work with salt-ssh, but not master mode
00:10 rogi do I need to refresh anything after adding file_roots to remotes file?
00:10 Edgan Rubin: Another is salt-ssh/non-gitfs will follow symlinks, but gitfs won't
00:12 Edgan Rubin: gitfs is good on salt masters to set them up faster. No need to git clone the pillars/formulas. It just pulls it from the git server as needed.
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01:00 MTecknology Is there any way to have salt only update a package if that package is already installed?
01:00 hemebond Well, do you want it installed or not?
01:00 hemebond I mean, if you say "latest" it'll keep it up to date.
01:01 hemebond If you just want to update existing packages then you just want apt upgrade or something.
01:03 MTecknology ya, I missed some details. I'm looking at something like... salt '*' cmd.run 'dpkg-query -l foo &>/dev/null && apt-get upgrade -y foo'
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01:06 MTecknology Then I'll follow that up with something like salt '*' pkg.version foo &>log ... I guess that'll work just fine
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01:06 MTecknology hemebond: sorry for asking an incomplete question :(
01:07 hemebond Uh, I don't know what those commands do :-)
01:09 MTecknology eh.. s/upgrade/update/.. ya, taht woulda been an oopsie
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01:16 MTecknology it's been waaaay too long since I've used apt-get, wow
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01:17 hemebond Oh, did you just upgrade everything?
01:17 MTecknology nope, but the command /would/ have done that
01:17 hemebond Yeah. That's caught me out a few times. I'm used to aptitude which lets you upgrade a single package.
01:17 MTecknology update also isn't right
01:18 MTecknology oh, that's right... you need to tell apt-get to install it  install --upgrade or some bs like that
01:18 hemebond Yeah
01:19 MTecknology yup, I'm an aptitude lover too
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01:26 llua you could test if pkg.version is an empty string i guess
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01:47 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt! | Latest Versions: 2015.8.12, 2016.3.3 | Support: https://www.saltstack.com/support/ | Logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ | Paste: https://gist.github.com/ (please don't multiline paste into channel) | See also: #salt-devel, #salt-offtopic | Ask with patience as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers
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03:23 beardedeagle Anyone here using the mysql returner?
03:34 beardedeagle I am trying to set up a mysql returner for salt but when I run the command nothing gets sent to the database and I recieve no error. In fact I receive nothing related to the returner at all when running in debug mode.
03:35 beardedeagle https://dpaste.de/STzd
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03:48 beardedeagle that is only on my master though, maybe I am not understanding the instructions fully but does the mysql settings also have to be in the minion configs as well?
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03:51 iggy yes, the returners run on the minions
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03:57 beardedeagle hrm, I will give that a go then
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05:44 hemebond Is anyone using salt cloud configuration inheritance to have profile settings inherit from the provider?
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05:54 babilen Are you?
05:54 hemebond I'm trying to :-)
05:55 babilen And, everything is working great and you are just trying to find someone to share your happiness with?
05:56 hemebond LOL. It seems to work fine when using salt-cloud and a profile. I'm currently trying out some internal functions, i.e., salt.config.get_cloud_config_value and it doesn't return the provider values.
05:57 hemebond It only checks the profile.
05:57 hemebond Gah, nevermind.
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05:58 hemebond It only does the lookup if you explicitly provide the provider. Apologies for the noise :-)
05:58 babilen No problem :)
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07:22 cosming How can I specify parameters with dickering like the ones at the end of this command: docker run -d -p 9100:9100 -v "/proc:/host/proc" -v "/sys:/host/sys" -v "/:/rootfs" --net="host" prom/node-exporter -collector.procfs /host/proc -collector.sysfs /host/proc -collector.filesystem.ignored-mount-points "^/(sys|proc|dev|host|etc)($|/)"
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07:38 babilen dickering?
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07:58 cosming dockerng* sry for the typos
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08:01 babilen cosming: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.dockerng.html → "
08:01 babilen CONTAINER CONFIGURATION PARAMETERS"
08:02 cosming Thank you; command is what I was looking for
08:02 babilen You find volumes (-v "/proc:/host/proc" -v "/sys:/host/sys" -v "/:/rootfs") and other options there
08:02 cosming Thanks
08:02 babilen Enjoy :)
08:03 babilen Sorry .. wasn't sure if "dickering" is some speshul docker management something :D
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08:03 cosming Yea ... funny typo
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08:31 sjoerd_ Hi everyone, I've got a beginners question for you all. How can I require a state/id/name (?) from a different state file? For example I have one state that sets up all my repo's and later on I want to make sure they're there when installing packages in a different state file.
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08:44 dunz0r sjoerd_: I would make a "top" file that ensures both those things.
08:44 dunz0r Where one requires the other.
08:45 sjoerd_ Sure, but that would get cluttered badly when I start requiring more and more dependencies.
08:46 sjoerd_ At the moment I'm thinking of doign a state per service
08:46 sjoerd_ so one for ntp,ssh,default packages, etc
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08:47 sjoerd_ but for example setting up gitlab would require nginx to have gone flawlessly
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08:58 sjoerd_ Ah, I think i found it in: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/ordering.html
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08:59 sjoerd_ you can require a whole external state file, I just hope that means everything in that state must have been satisfied and not only parts
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09:30 jacekplacek is there a separate channel for salt-cloud ?
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09:34 jacekplacek I've got a question about provisioning a Public IP (not EIP) via salt-cloud for an EC2 instance when the subnet has auto-assigning public IP set to Disabled
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09:36 jacekplacek "AssociatePublicIpAddress: True" doesn't seem to work, I don't want to use allocate_new_eips as this will provision EIP and I want regular Public IP
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09:37 jacekplacek I can easily do it via AWS Console, came across the following issue - https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/19288
09:37 saltstackbot [#19288][MERGED] AssociatePublicIpAddress doesnt work with salt-cloud 2014.7.0 | Hi,...
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10:23 demize jacekplacek: Which salt version are you on?
10:25 jacekplacek demize: 2015.5.3 (Lithium)
10:26 demize It was fixed earliest in 2015.5.4p
10:27 demize (Which was released over a year ago.)
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10:30 jacekplacek I see, well that's the version I got on ubuntu 14.04 after doing: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saltstack/salt ; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install salt-master salt-cloud
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10:33 demize Might want to consider using the official saltstack repo instead then.
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10:34 demize The PPA hasn't been updated in 62 weeks.
10:35 demize jacekplacek: (<https://repo.saltstack.com/#ubuntu>)
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10:40 jacekplacek demize: great, I'll give that a go, thanks for your time!
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10:40 krymzon jacekplacek: hope you are on amd64, last I checked the official salt repo does not support anything else
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10:41 jacekplacek krymzon: yep, all on ec2
10:42 krymzon ok, in that case I believe it's the best source for you :)
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10:46 jacekplacek thx ;-)
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11:22 sjoerd_ Is it best practise to split different functions of the same module into different ID's? For example remove and installing packages?
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12:38 mamalos hey all!
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12:38 XenophonF yo
12:39 mamalos salt.utils.decorators.memoize decorator takes only *args and not **kwargs when caching return values of functions for specific arguments
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12:39 mamalos is it by design or did somebody forget them?
12:39 mamalos I'm asking because I want to use it for a function that accepts keyword arguments, and the decorator returns an error
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12:44 XenophonF no idea
12:45 XenophonF might want to ask again in a couple of hours - the salt devs should be up and about by then
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12:46 mamalos XenophonF: OK, thanks, I'll try to reask then.
12:46 XenophonF you can also try asking on mailto:salt-users@googlegroups.com
12:47 XenophonF you can subscribe without a google account by emailing mailto:salt-users+subscribe@googlegroups.com
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12:49 mamalos XenophonF: Thanks again!
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13:14 manji is it possible to pull mine data from pillars in salt-ssh ?
13:16 manji I tried the example here:
13:16 manji https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.mine.html#salt.modules.mine.get
13:16 mamalos And another question: When I'm running to run: salt '*' 'env PAGER=cat freebsd-update fetch'
13:16 manji to no avail
13:16 mamalos to update my FreeBSD boxes, I get the error: Minion did not return. [No response]
13:17 mamalos and after some seconds the minion returns some values that the server never sees (from debug log in the minion)
13:17 mamalos is there a timeout on which the minions should respond?
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13:17 mamalos and sorry if the question is trivial, I'm very new to salt
13:18 SaltyVagrant mamalos: There is a timeout and you can change it: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/troubleshooting/minion.html
13:18 manji mamalos, there is bug as well
13:18 manji https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/34872
13:18 saltstackbot [#34872][OPEN] "Minion did not return" executing state with long running command, 2016.3 regression | This is a setup I've been using for about a year, on a variety of 2015 versions, with no issue. Upgrading the minion to 2016.3.1 makes it stop working. I believe it's long-running commands, but maybe something else specific to what I'm doing. ...
13:19 manji I have been having the "Minion did not return" ever since I upgraded to 2016.3.3
13:19 manji radomly
13:19 manji randomly*
13:20 mamalos SaltyVagrant: Thanks, I was just reading the same article! :)
13:22 SaltyVagrant mamalos: Given that the upgrade will likely be a long lived process you’re probably running in to the bug pointed out by manji (depending on your salt versions; minions and master)
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13:24 SaltyVagrant manji: Sorry if this is a ‘too oobvious’ question but, I assume you have populated the mine with some data (and you’re sure it’s in there).
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13:25 manji SaltyVagrant, yep, I am using a typical mine.get in a state, like: {%- for host, data in salt['mine.get']('*', 'grains.item').items() %}
13:25 manji and I get results alright
13:26 manji according to the docs, to pull mine data when building pillar data
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13:26 manji once has to use a runner
13:26 SaltyVagrant manji: True
13:26 manji one*
13:27 manji so I used the example: {% set minion_ips = salt.saltutil.runner('mine.get',  tgt='*', fun='network.interfaces', tgt_type='glob') %}
13:27 manji and in my roster file I have
13:27 manji mine_functions:
13:27 manji network.interfaces: []
13:27 manji I get a lot of weird errors though
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13:28 manji maybe it is a longshot to use mine.get for pillar data under salt-ssh
13:29 mamalos manji: hmm... I read the issue and I am using FreeBSD as well (2016.3.3) so I believe this is the issue
13:30 mamalos SaltyVagrant: after raising the timeout limit to 30 seconds I was able to see the output, as was the case when I ran: salt-run jobs.lookup_jid jid
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13:31 manji mamalos, the bug appears rather randomly. At least for me, usually I do a second run and all works fine
13:31 mamalos manji: Are you running the minion on FreeBSD? Because in my case it happens all the time (as was the case mentioned in the bug)
13:31 manji SaltyVagrant, when I turn debug on, I get warnings like those http://pastebin.centos.org/55266/
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13:32 manji mamalos, I am afraid not
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13:33 mamalos manji: thought so. In the bug report, reproduction in FreeBSD always works, where in Linux it seems to be random (as you pointed out as well)
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13:34 mamalos manji: but since it's been reported, I guess it will be also resolved :)
13:34 manji hehe it is consistent
13:35 mamalos :)
13:35 mamalos Is there a dev around? Because I need to re-ask the question about memoize decorator
13:35 manji try nighttime if you are in europe
13:36 SaltyVagrant manji: When you say ‘roster file’ do you mean pillar or minion config?
13:36 mamalos hmmm...pitty because I'll be off work
13:36 manji SaltyVagrant, it is salt-ssh
13:36 mamalos I'll send an email on the list
13:36 SaltyVagrant manji: sorry, was not paying attention :)
13:37 manji hehe no prob mate
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13:43 SaltyVagrant manji: Hmm. I’ve not used mine in salt-ssh so this is all a bit ‘guess work’. From the docs, the mine.get will make a new ssh-call to get the data for every mine.get against every minion. This will make your pillars pretty inefficient if you use mine.get a lot (or you have many minions). That aside, I can’t see why it wouldn’t work. As for the errors you get, that looks (on face value) like a privileges issue (ag
13:43 SaltyVagrant pure guesswork).
13:44 * manji shrugs
13:45 manji I will probably work around it
13:45 manji tx
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13:50 SaltyVagrant manji: np, sorry I couldn’t help more. If you ask later (after about 4UTC) you’ll probbaly find one of the devs hanging out here. Failing that try the mailing list mailto:salt-users@googlegroups.com .
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13:50 manji yeah thanks
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14:37 lumtnman Get gang - I'm looking to get some input from others on what their gitfs implementation looks like. Do you have the top file in a seperate repo, do you have a top file per env? Just looking to streamline our implementation a little! Thanks in advance for the tips and info!
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14:40 Tanta the general consensus is don't use gitfs
14:41 gtmanfred i disagree
14:41 gtmanfred when using multiple environments, you can put {{env}} as the environment at the top of your top file, and merge changes between environments, as long as you actually only merge one way, and always only ever make the real changes in your development environment
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14:42 Tanta I use multiple branches for different environments, but I handle the orchestration of Git separately
14:43 Tanta same effective setup as gitfs without all the rigidity it brings
14:43 gtmanfred that is fair, at my previous job, we did the above and it worked well, but we also had the full environment setup in dev, preprod and prod
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14:44 Tanta my advice for a newcomer would be use GitFS after you've got the basics down
14:44 Tanta and you are really sure you want that
14:45 gtmanfred yar
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14:46 lumtnman Well - we have been using it for a while with good success, just looking to tweak and modify it a little, as for new comers to our system they have gotten confused in the black magic that is top file to branch mappings...maybe a personal problem, but still.
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14:48 lumtnman @gtmanfred thats good beta - thank you!
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15:00 hoonetorg anybody here knows a good salt module/state or a formula which can handle btrfs subvol's
15:01 gtmanfred hoonetorg: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.btrfs.html#salt.modules.btrfs.properties
15:01 hoonetorg read source of salt.modules.btrfs and saw that it can handle a lot but not subvols
15:01 hoonetorg gtmanfred thx
15:01 hoonetorg this thing does "btrfs property set"
15:02 hoonetorg i'd need btrfs subvol create/delete blablabla
15:02 gtmanfred ahh, ok
15:02 gtmanfred it has been about 3 years since I used btrfs subvolumes
15:02 gtmanfred sorry
15:02 hoonetorg probably i should extend this module
15:03 hoonetorg nicer would be a state, hmm
15:03 gtmanfred yar, can be state added after the module :P
15:03 gtmanfred but i do not see an open issue/feature request for that
15:04 Reverend gtmanfred - you gonna promote bablien yet? :P
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15:04 hoonetorg hmm probably i'm the only one using subvols with btrfs and salt
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15:05 hoonetorg btrfs not good for everything, but good for keeping local copies of debian/rpm repos f.e.
15:06 hoonetorg and multiple revisions of that
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15:11 Reverend any tips on how to add a bucket load of files with data from a pillar?
15:11 Reverend can I do a for loop in a .sls?
15:12 gtmanfred yes?
15:12 gtmanfred {%- for x in pillar.... %}
15:12 gtmanfred stuff
15:12 gtmanfred {%- endfor %}
15:12 Reverend oh
15:12 Reverend kek. thanks
15:12 gtmanfred yar, look up using jinja in salt
15:13 gtmanfred alternatively, you could also use the py or pydsl renderers and just do it all in python
15:13 Reverend no it's okay. I remembered. Thanks. I forgot that the .sls are also rendered. >_<
15:13 Reverend thanks for the reminder. <3
15:14 gtmanfred heh
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15:18 regretio salt-ssh generates a new salt_states.tgz everytime state.apply is called. Even if that file contains exactly the same files each time it recopies the file. is there a way to stop this?
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15:20 gtmanfred lemme check and see if anyone who is up knows
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15:22 gtmanfred I think that it does have to do it every time, because it doesn't keep a diff of files to compare against so it would never know if it should update the tarball or not.  I do know that it doesn't create the salt-thin tarball every time, which just contains the stuff to run salt in it
15:22 Reverend gtmanfred- seeing as you're the wo/man in the know... can i use the {{ pillar('thing')('item') }} in "- contents:" with a file.managed? :o
15:22 Reverend IGNORE ME
15:22 gtmanfred yes, but it is rendered when the state is rendered
15:22 Reverend that's perfect.
15:22 gtmanfred so if it is more than one line, make sure it has the indents correct
15:23 Reverend yeah.
15:23 Reverend with a pipeypipe
15:23 Reverend i scroleld down like one line in the docs and it was like "this would populate blag with the contents of the pillar"
15:23 Reverend lmao
15:23 gtmanfred you could also use pillar_contents
15:23 Reverend fucking fail train today xD
15:23 Reverend oh sweet. thanks dude.
15:23 Reverend <3
15:23 gtmanfred which you just put the pillar key in, and it will do the pillar.get for you instead of you doing jinja
15:23 Reverend oh noice
15:23 Reverend thanks!
15:24 Reverend might need to use jinja anyway, as it's going through a forloop
15:24 Reverend but appreciate the heads up
15:24 gtmanfred yar, unfortunate, i avoid jinja wherever possible :P
15:24 Reverend hahaha
15:24 Reverend it might work if I just use {{ variable }} and not the whole pillar.gte
15:24 gtmanfred but sometimes you need it https://github.com/gtmanfred/openstack-salt-states/blob/liberty/keystone/setup.sls
15:25 Reverend as the variable willcome out of the for loop anywhoo
15:25 Reverend lemme write it and see what's gonna work.
15:25 regretio gtmanfred: thats what i suspected, salt_state.tgz looks to be generated on the fly each run and deleted after. a few mb file isn't so bad with small number of hosts but if it's many 000's then that's a lot of data!
15:25 gtmanfred yeah
15:25 gtmanfred yar, that is one of the reason that salt-ssh is much slower than salt with a master
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15:27 gtmanfred mmmmm hazelnut tea
15:27 regretio the generation or the copy?
15:28 gtmanfred hrm?
15:28 regretio the copy could be avoided by generating the gzip without including modification time (means same md5sum each run) then check if file exists on remote end with same md5sum
15:28 gtmanfred oh, both
15:29 gtmanfred i think it deletes it on the minion side on the run
15:29 gtmanfred though that would be interesting to be able to do
15:29 gtmanfred i wonder if it does..., unfortunately i am knee deep in trying to get a windows minion spun up
15:30 gtmanfred regretio: you can see what salt-ssh does differently in salt/client/ssh/wrapper/state.py
15:30 regretio nah the file isn't deleted after each run unless --wipe is specified i believe
15:30 gtmanfred looks like it does compare the hash     trans_tar_sum = salt.utils.get_hash(trans_tar, __opts__['hash_type'])
15:31 gtmanfred but it always transfers it
15:31 regretio nah that's for use during execution
15:31 gtmanfred so the hash is only used to make sure it gets fully transfered
15:31 regretio it checks to make sure after scp that it's using the correct file
15:31 gtmanfred yar
15:32 gtmanfred so it always copies it over
15:32 gtmanfred would be cool to have it compare the hashes and only send it if it was new
15:32 regretio yeah
15:32 regretio there is a trick tho as gzip changes modification time even if files inside don't change
15:32 regretio so need to specify for it to not do that
15:33 gtmanfred oh right, you would need to get rid of the time
15:33 gtmanfred would you mind opening a feature request on the github issues?
15:34 regretio sure
15:34 gtmanfred thanks
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15:45 gtmanfred regretio: found out that this one also exists https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/34795
15:45 saltstackbot [#34795][OPEN] Feature Request: salt-ssh checksum | Description of Issue/Question...
15:45 gtmanfred but is for the thin tarball to also have the checksum checked
15:46 regretio ah ok
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17:52 Rubin so my environment doesnt name hosts according to their task.. i see nodegroups but they require restarting the master. is there no way to define groups in a top file?
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17:55 babilen Rubin: Tag them in pillars (maybe even external) or with grains
17:56 Rubin i was looking at using a pillar called 'role' for that, but from what I understand, i have to create a seperate pillar sls for every role that just contains "role: whatever" is there some shorthand to be able to just lay them all out in one file?
17:56 Rubin problem with doing it in a gain is it doesnt really exist anywhere under change control (git)
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17:57 Rubin can you supply arguments to sls files from top.sls or something?
17:57 cscf Rubin, you can use pillar's top file to assign a pillar value to a group
17:58 Rubin http://www.saltstat.es/posts/role-infrastructure.html last comment there seems to indicate what i want, but the link is redirecting to malware now
17:58 Tanta just make part of hte name canonical
17:58 Rubin cscf, oh, how?
17:58 Tanta ie, unusable.production.whatever
17:58 Tanta then you can target *production*
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17:58 Rubin i cant change the names, tanta
17:59 Tanta yes you can
17:59 Tanta you just don't want to
17:59 Rubin what?
17:59 Tanta this is the minion ID
17:59 Tanta it can be set by you
18:00 Rubin you mean like in /etc/salt/minion?
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18:00 Tanta yes
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18:01 Rubin then i need another system to figure out on deployment what its roles are supposed to be
18:01 Rubin end up at the same problem again
18:01 babilen I don't quite understand your problem with setting them in pillars
18:01 babilen You will just have to maintain a id <-> role mapping somewhere
18:02 Tanta he is just inexperienced at salt and anxious with all the design choices
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18:02 Rubin ^^ this
18:02 babilen aye
18:02 babilen :)
18:02 Rubin so i have a pillar top.sls that says 'L@somehost,someotherhost': - webserver
18:02 Rubin but then i have to modify webserver.sls to just contain 'role:webserver' right?
18:02 Tanta you have to put match: compound below that I think
18:02 Tanta or whatever matcher you are using there
18:03 Rubin oh. yeah good catch but by issue is just in having to create a seperate file for all these roles
18:03 Tanta make one file
18:03 babilen Rubin: How would you like to do it?
18:03 Tanta assign it to three different roles in top.sls, and have the pillar values be different for each host so the templates work
18:03 Tanta this is the basic salt pattern
18:04 Rubin im not following
18:04 Rubin cscf said i could assign a pillar value directly in top.sls .. that would be perfect
18:04 Rubin is that a thing?
18:04 babilen No
18:04 Tanta http://pastebin.com/raw/ppup7Kms this is a small portion of my salt top.sls
18:05 Tanta note the 3 different systems all using the same code
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18:05 Rubin what is that . in roles.stuff ?
18:05 Tanta then you have a directory called "roles" under /srv/salt
18:05 Tanta and you put go-service.sls and oc-registry.sls there
18:05 Rubin oh. right
18:05 Rubin seperate files for every role
18:05 cscf Rubin, not directly in top, no, in a file.  But these people probably have better ideas ^
18:06 Tanta or if you're writing really complex states, use /srv/salt/roles/go-service/init.sls
18:06 * Rubin just hoping to use a jinja trick or something to use the same file with an argument that tells it its role name
18:06 Tanta and include other state files
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18:07 Rubin maybe i will go the other way and have a seperate role file for each host that defines its roles
18:08 iggy macros, extend, etc
18:08 iggy https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/extend.html
18:08 rogi http://pastebin.com/H8vshY04 trying to overlay local file dir over gitfs, its not picking up the states :/
18:10 iggy http://jinja.pocoo.org/docs/dev/templates/#macros
18:10 rogi gtmanfred: mind taking a peak
18:10 gtmanfred sorry, I am busy today
18:13 Rubin oh. i guess i could do ths with simple {% if type jinja that checks the id there
18:13 rogi oh those are file names it wants….
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18:15 misconfig Hey everyone, I'm using file.line module with the 'after' feature. I need to insert a bunch of spaces in front of my content - salt seems to be ignored my whitespace. Is there something I'm missing?
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18:51 Tanta misconfig: try adding {{ '' | indent(8) }} at the beginning of a line to insert 8 spaces
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19:26 rogi - unless: docker node inspect --format '{{ .ManagerStatus.Leader }}' self | grep -c true
19:26 rogi how do you escape those curlies that docker uses for formatting?
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19:28 gtmanfred do {%raw%} {%endraw%}
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19:28 gtmanfred around that
19:28 gtmanfred https://support.rackspace.com/how-to/cloud-server-configuration-options/
19:28 gtmanfred not that
19:28 gtmanfred rogi: http://jinja.pocoo.org/docs/dev/templates/#escaping
19:29 rogi nice, ty
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19:44 jmedinar Question... Can pillar values be accessed on Reactors ? I am trying but they return empty
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19:44 jmedinar {% set channel = salt['pillar.get']('slack:alert') %}
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19:45 jmedinar "salt master slack.post_message channel=\"\" message=\"Hydra Alert _prd_jenkins_app_sby_bz_dst_ filesystem / is at 91% over the threshold HIGH\" from_name=\"webhookbot\" api_key=\"\"
19:45 jmedinar the channel is suppose to have a string
19:45 jmedinar but it just shows \"\"
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19:49 jmedinar nah never mind: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/reactor/#jinja-context
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19:49 jmedinar thanks!
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19:52 gtmanfred i don't think so, cause the master renders the reactor
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21:25 woodtablet hey gtmanfred: you still here?
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21:30 tedops quick q: is there an official term for a block inside a salt state that does something? like, "the package block that  installs nmap"....is "block" the right term?
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21:34 AndreasLutro state
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21:36 tedops AndreasLutro: doesn't that also refer to the entire sls though?
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21:38 AndreasLutro wouldn't say so
21:38 doug1 Hi Guys, I am trying to use reactor to process events of type 'salt/cloud/*/created' and 'salt/cloud/*/destroyed'.  However, my salt-master never "sees" those events.  The only one I can get it to notice is 'salt/cloud/*/start'.  Am I missing some config to hook salt-cloud into the master so it will monitor for these cloud events?
21:38 doug1 whoops, I mean it sees 'salt/minion/*/start'
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21:45 doug1 Actually I may have found the reason: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/36055
21:45 saltstackbot [#36055][MERGED] 2016.3.3 -- missing salt-cloud events on the master event bus | Description of Issue/Question...
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22:07 doug1 Hmm I applied the patch and now the cloud events show up in the logs but no action is triggered.  I guess I'll have to wait for the next release.
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22:46 krazyj is it possible to perform an interactive salt install, or does that go against the salt ethos?
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22:46 krazyj for example, i’d love to have an interactive CLI menu with a few options that allows me to customize a few basic, very high-level things
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23:11 iggy I want to say there is a runner that prompts
23:11 iggy but why not just pass the args on the command line?
23:12 krazyj iggy: it’d be nice to have an interactive interface that can offer a snippet of documentation inline with the process
23:12 krazyj instead of maintaining docs that coordinate with command line args
23:14 iggy I kind of doubt salt will ever be great at things like that
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23:25 rogi how do you wait for a service to come up before proceeding?
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23:27 krazyj also, i have another question… every time i tell my master to configure a minion, my minion disconnects. i’m 99% certain it has to do with my iptables rules. does anyone know, generally, what i should do to avoid this?
23:28 krazyj the minion eventually seems to come back, but it takes a whole
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23:36 iggy krazyj: could also be the minion process restarting
23:36 krazyj iggy: hmmm good point
23:36 krazyj is there a way i could debug that?
23:39 iggy rogi: generally, you would fire an event when the service comes up, then the reactor could carry on with the rest of the setup
23:41 rogi no way to loop some cmd a few times with a timeout?
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23:47 iggy not in salt
23:47 iggy I mean you could cmd.run it
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23:56 Rubin i want to use file.append but create it if it doesn't exist (with specific modes and user/group)
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23:56 Rubin this seems to not be a thing!?
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