Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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01:32 pcdummy mirko: no selinux on ubuntu but apparmor
01:33 pcdummy mirko: you get that on the minions, right?
01:34 pcdummy Have been reading the issue, its salt-ssh
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01:41 * pcdummy doesn't know enough about salt-ssh to fix/help.
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02:48 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt! <+> Latest Versions: 2016.3.4, 2016.11.1 <+> Support: https://www.saltstack.com/support/ <+> Logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ <+> Paste: https://gist.github.com/ (please don't multiline paste into channel) <+> See also: #salt-devel, #salt-offtopic <+> Ask with patience as we are volunteers and may not have immediate answers
03:02 mirko pcdummy: ok, let's see you feels eager :)
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08:07 Qlawy Is it possible to run salt runner from salt state? (using state.apply)
08:09 Qlawy regardin to this: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/20258 I suppose no...
08:09 saltstackbot [#20258][OPEN] Using saltstack runners in .sls state modules | What I want to do:...
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08:46 babilen Qlawy: What are you trying to do?
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08:53 babilen Shouldn't be too hard
08:54 Qlawy babilen: I need to run orchestrate from external application (in short)
08:54 Qlawy Hmm, maybe I could use REST call to do this hmm....
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08:59 babilen Qlawy: Independently of a state?
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09:02 Qlawy babilen: w8 moment, I'm lost :/ Im proxing question from other person and not 100% what he wants to do :X
09:03 babilen Well .. find out. I have a solution, but it depends on what you want to do :)
09:03 babilen s/you/SOMEONE
09:03 Qlawy :)
09:04 AndreasLutro easiest way to run an orchestrator is to fire an event that triggers a reactor that triggers an orchestration sls
09:04 babilen Exactly
09:04 babilen https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/reactor → runner
09:05 babilen AndreasLutro: Regarding your question in #debian, you didn't idle quite long enough. It might be that an exim4 upgrade didn't quite succeed (if you upgraded) and that the hints db wasn't deleted
09:05 babilen Either way, not a good topic for #salt :)
09:07 AndreasLutro I just went full devops, deleted the file, restarted exim and hoped for the best
09:07 Qlawy babilen: we were using reactors for new minions, maybe it is good for this too
09:07 babilen AndreasLutro: Take a look at the postinst file
09:08 babilen Qlawy: I was asking for what $SOMEONE really wants to do as it determines the best way of raising that event
09:08 babilen You can call runners on the master in reaction to your, custom, event quite easily and there are ways to call it from code or withing a SLS
09:09 daxroc morning!
09:09 Qlawy babilen: yes yes... stil waiting for reply... :(
09:09 daxroc Can you ignore a state onfail , do nothing ?
09:09 babilen daxroc: You can define a no-op state that's called from onfail
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09:10 daxroc babilen: eg call a cmd .. echo "do nothing"
09:11 babilen daxroc: I was more thinking of https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.test.html#salt.states.test.succeed_without_changes but sure
09:11 babilen Assuming "echo 'do nothing'" would never fail
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09:17 babilen daxroc: And just in case: onfail refers to https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/requisites.html#onfail
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09:27 daxroc I'm confused. I'm trying to do something I think is simple - execute a create on a rest resource if it doesnt exist. I've two URIs one to create and one to read for it's existence. So I thought using the http.query state would be the way to go but I'm failing to negate the execution of the create resource on the second run.
09:27 daxroc I've tried several approaches but all end the same with one state failing due to the failed match on the return code from the http call.
09:31 daxroc https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kxp1yhse/
09:32 daxroc Is it possible to supress a state from running by default inline - only allowing it to be called by other states the onfail in the above example?
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09:42 daxroc https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Z8GDMRJK/
09:43 daxroc The above does what I need but looks wrong and convoluted is there a better more salt way of making http requests like this ?
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10:44 daxroc babilen: would you have an example of using the wait test succeed without changes -
10:44 daxroc *wait/watch
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11:37 AndreasLutro daxroc: I'd just write a custom state module for stuff like that
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12:01 canaar hi there
12:02 canaar how can I get the ip address of a minion, who is yet to accepted by salt-key -a
12:02 canaar under salt-key -L all the information that is present is the names
12:02 canaar how can I get IP addresses
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12:56 daxroc AndreasLutro: the only problem I have now is that the http.query checking for the exists is returning a failure when it does if I could negate that from executing it would be good.
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13:21 akrus hello everyone! I have a question - Salt Master executes a command on Minion which creates ssh key and I need to collect public keys back on master. If I understand correctly, I need to populate them as pillar, but I can't seem to find a good way to do this. cp.push can send the file to master, but it will still be just a file which I need to copy somewhere and convert to a pillar. get_file_str looks nice, but it seems there is no way to
13:21 akrus the result I need is to have all the public keys on main backup server so all the clients can send the backups there
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13:22 akrus and we prefer not to save ssh keys on master as it can be a security issue
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13:29 AndreasLutro akrus: if it's ok to share the public key with every minion, you can use mine
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13:31 akrus AndreasLutro, think the documentation with mine is a bit limited, should I create a python module for this or I can use some of the internal functions?
13:31 akrus *I think
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13:32 AndreasLutro akrus: you just put the module function to put into the mine into pillars or the minion config, as shown here https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/mine/#mine-functions
13:33 akrus something like this?
13:33 akrus mine_functions:   cp.get_file_str: [] ?
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13:34 AndreasLutro yep
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13:46 akrus AndreasLutro: got it, amazing, thanks!
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14:10 tpaul Is the salt web interface currently an enterprise-only feature?
14:13 fracklen tpaul: yep
14:13 tpaul thanks fracklen, thought so but just checking
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14:23 akrus one more quick question. I have a for loop now with mine.get: {% for server, key in salt['mine.get']('*', 'backup_key', expr_form='glob').items() %} and then I need a grain from that host, so I have added one more mine function and using salt['mine.get'](server, 'hostname')[server] inside the loop. is there any better solution for this?
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14:25 fracklen akrus: yep. Move the inner mine.get outside the loop
14:26 fracklen and do a {% set hostnames = salt['mine.get']('*', 'glob') %}
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14:28 fracklen It will be faster to do a single mine.get, fetching all results, than potentially thousands of mine.get requests... The classical N+1 problem :)
14:29 akrus fracklen: indeed, thanks!
14:30 fracklen np :)
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16:37 nmccollum Hi, I'm having a problem with salt creating a symlink based on hostname...
16:37 nmccollum I've tried serveral different ways, but I can't seem to get this to work.
16:37 nmccollum /opt/asn:
16:37 nmccollum file.symlink:
16:37 nmccollum - target: /apps/dmc
16:37 nmccollum - onlyif: grep -c 'dmc' /etc/hostname
16:37 nmccollum - target: /apps/uv
16:37 nmccollum - onlyif: grep -c 'uv' /etc/hostname
16:38 cscf nmccollum, what doesn't work? It simply does nothing?
16:38 cscf nmccollum, also, perhaps you should consider using pillar for this.
16:38 nmccollum Well, in that form it errors out with "Data failed to compile"
16:39 nmccollum If I make two /opt/asn:, it says "Conflicting ID '/opt/asn'
16:39 nmccollum if I make two file.symlink... conflicting id
16:39 cscf nmccollum, Are you allowed to specify - target 's? I don't think you are
16:39 nmccollum Yeah, it works without the second target.
16:39 gtmanfred nmccollum: you can't do it that way, you would need different names
16:40 gtmanfred the problem is the fact that the name on the top doesn't work that way, it would be neat if it does, but it doesn't
16:40 gtmanfred they need to be seperate states
16:40 cscf Correct way, IMHO: {% if pillar['x']['symlink'] %} \n - target: /etc/{{ grains['host'] }}
16:40 gtmanfred or
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16:41 gtmanfred nmccollum: http://ix.io/1P3w
16:41 gtmanfred do that
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16:45 nmccollum ouch, that bombed out hard
16:45 gtmanfred it might be grains['host']
16:45 nmccollum Rendering SLS 'base:services/gpfs' failed: Jinja error: argument of type 'StrictUndefined' is not iterable
16:46 gtmanfred do fqdn
16:46 gtmanfred if 'dmc' in grains['fqdn']
16:46 gtmanfred doesn't look like hostname is an actual grain
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16:47 nmccollum So, forgive me for being ignorant here... are grains something that are pre-defined or do I have to define them?
16:47 Tanta both
16:47 nmccollum also, ['host'] worked
16:47 Tanta built-in grains are like 'facts' about the system, user-defined grains are just that
16:48 nmccollum I kind of hate the documentation for salt.  It's definately written for someone very familiar with it.
16:48 gtmanfred nmccollum: you can set grains in /etc/salt/grains, and define them, but they are also rendered from salt/grains/*.py functions
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16:49 nmccollum File /etc/salt/grains doesn't exist.  Is there a format I can use?
16:49 gtmanfred yaml
16:51 gtmanfred nmccollum: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/grains/#grains-in-etc-salt-grains
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16:53 Tanta you gotta learn the system, it takes time
16:54 nmccollum Yeah, thanks a lot.  That fixed my problem and got me a way forward for future stuff.
16:56 nmccollum Over the holiday migrated both of our supercomputers from SLES to RHEL, and instead of rewriting my provisioning and imaging software I, at the last minute, figured I would adopt salt.  Unfortunately I only put about 5 minutes into learning it.
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16:58 Tanta well you seem capable, I'm sure you'll figure it out
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17:06 squishypebble has anybody encountered a case where something like: "salt['grains.get'] ('ipv4')[0]" returns first element in string representing the ip address, instead of the actual grain itself? (for example, if ip was "10.233.23.32" you only get "1"). Minion in question is running 2015.8.12 (Beryllium). Behavior seems to have changed from previous version?
17:08 squishypebble [this is in context of using the call in a jinja template]
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17:08 babilen squishypebble: What does it return interactively? (grains.get) -- You might also prefer to use network.ip_addrs with a suitable cidr or type
17:09 babilen https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.network.html#salt.modules.network.ip_addrs
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17:12 EvaSDK squishypebble: I do get a list here with 2016.3
17:12 EvaSDK at least that's what grains.items suggests
17:13 squishypebble interactively, I can call "salt-call grains.get 'ipv4'" and it will return a single ip, but on an older minion version (2014.1.10 (Hydrogen)), it returns a list w/ ip and loopback interface
17:13 EvaSDK that's what I get on 2016.3
17:13 squishypebble is that the proper call when you say "interactively?"
17:13 EvaSDK yes
17:13 babilen It is, yes
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17:14 babilen I also get a lit here on 2016.3 :-/
17:14 EvaSDK maybe it was a regression
17:14 babilen I'd still use network.ip_addrs, but it's weird that you see different behaviour
17:15 whytewolf i have always used network.ip_addrs. so never noticed if there was a change in 2015.8
17:15 babilen Just tried it on 2015.8.12 and also get a lit
17:15 babilen *list
17:15 babilen Yeah, little point in using grains for that, but still
17:15 whytewolf any chance that system doesn't have a loopback?
17:16 EvaSDK caching maybe ?
17:16 whytewolf [it is rare, but it happens]
17:16 babilen squishypebble: What does "ip a" give you?
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17:18 squishypebble local:
17:18 squishypebble - <ipaddress>
17:19 babilen What command is that the output of?
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17:20 babilen bbl
17:20 squishypebble "salt-call network.ip_addrs"
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17:21 babilen Right .. pass a suitable cidr or type
17:21 babilen (if you want)
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17:23 squishypebble can you elaborate? I'm a bit confused on what I'm passing to what … I'm trying to assign a string value representing server's ip address to a spot in a conf file using jinja template
17:24 squishypebble using "{{ salt['network.ip_addrs']  }}" in the jinja template results in " <function ip_addrs at 0x3b03ed8>" in the resulting file after salt-call, which leads me to think I'm invoking it incorrectly?
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17:26 whytewolf squishypebble: {{salt.network.ip_addrs(cidr='10.40.0.0/16')|first}}
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17:29 squishypebble apologies if i'm being obtuse, what does the "'10.40.0.0/16" represent?
17:30 whytewolf it repersents the subnet 10.40.0.0/16 and will force network.ip_addrs to match an ip in that range
17:31 whytewolf it is meant for systems that have more then one ip
17:32 squishypebble what if there will be a variety of different subnets?
17:33 whytewolf you don't have to pass in a subnet.
17:34 whytewolf use the docs luke, us the docs https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.network.html#salt.modules.network.ip_addrs
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17:36 woodtablet Happy New Year Everyone!
17:37 squishypebble the force is weak with me :'[  the docs i find introduce me to concepts and options but the precise syntax I need to use is missing … it gives cli example, but this is different from jinja template … also, I am confused about using "salt '*' network.ip_addrs" while must use things like "salt-call network.ip_addrs eth0"
17:37 squishypebble happy new year to you too woodtablet :]
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17:38 squishypebble I can use "{{ salt['network.ip_addrs']('eth0') }}" in my jinja template, and it gives me "['ipaddress']" but I need just "ipaddress" (without the square brackets and single quote)
17:39 whytewolf squishypebble: thats what the |first was for
17:46 squishypebble oh, i see thnx … is there anything in the docs about stuff like 1.) the "|first" thing (is that indexing arrays?) and 2.) the salt.network.ip_addrs vs salt['network.ip_addrs']? I've always seen the latter, but i like the former better b/c it is easier to type, but have not seen it anywhere in docs (which only provide the confusing cli example)
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17:51 whytewolf 1. http://jinja.pocoo.org/docs/dev/templates/#list-of-builtin-filters [the jinja documentation] 2. kind of mentioned here https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/jinja/index.html#calling-salt-functions
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17:52 whytewolf the short hand method is kind of new. [2014.7] but i like it i find it easier to read. as well as type
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17:54 squishypebble thanks again whytewolf!
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18:14 lorengordon ugh, the salt-user mailing list just disabled the web interface. i use that exclusively, and disable email delivery.
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18:25 whytewolf they did it because spammers where using the web interface and were really getting out of controll
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18:32 austin_ hey all. i'm trying to understand the best practices for custom modules/grains/pillars. with that said, say i have a custom module i'd like to pull in. clearly gitfs backend is a great way of doing this
18:32 austin_ but say i have 100 custom mods. is it best to put those under one repo ?
18:33 austin_ that goes for pillars and grains as well.
18:33 austin_ im just not sure the best way to organize this.
18:34 whytewolf austin_: i would say custom modules [pillar,grains,modules,state modules, runners and the like] should have their own repo.
18:35 austin_ ok cool. what i was leaning towards because its really a matter of how i rig up the master conf
18:36 austin_ so in this situation, i'm just adding 100 entries to gitfs_remotes
18:36 austin_ listing all of the repos
18:36 whytewolf oh i meant a single repo for all the cutom code.
18:37 austin_ i see
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18:37 whytewolf other wise all those gitfs repos are going to take forever to sync causing all sorts of issues trying to get fileserve.update to work
18:38 austin_ got it
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18:38 austin_ not exactly what i was hoping for but i see your point
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18:39 whytewolf if you have any big ones they might get their own repo. but do try to limit the amount of repos you have to parse
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18:51 austin_ whytewolf: makes sense but it does just seem a little awkward.
18:51 austin_ repos are cheap and i like the code isolation
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18:52 austin_ to put a stake in the ground and get going, i'll go this way
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18:52 austin_ but i have a feeling i'll write something that syncs a list of repos and checks them out into the right dirs.
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18:53 austin_ outside of salt that is
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18:55 gtmanfred austin_: you could also use spm to manage them to install them
18:56 gtmanfred https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/spm/
18:57 gtmanfred also worth noting https://github.com/saltstack/salt/pull/31218
18:57 saltstackbot [#31218][MERGED] Allow loading external modules using setuptools entry points | Since I was unable to find the right document to properly document this addition, here's what should be added to said document....
18:57 gtmanfred https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/packaging_modules.html
18:58 austin_ gtmanfred: yea that actually seems really useful. i think initially i'll just create a repo with appropriately named folders.
18:59 austin_ as i go forward and some modules get complex, i'll break those out and build/deploy via spm
18:59 gtmanfred yeah, you can build and deploy with spm, or you could even build and deploy with pip using the second thing I linked
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18:59 gtmanfred That is actually how we distribute the plugin engines and things for our enterprise product
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19:21 lorengordon whytewolf: i read the post and so i understand that. it is still annoying. also, how would i go about posting via email? like i said, i've only ever used the web interface...
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19:26 lorengordon skimming the spam, it appears to be a bunch of compromised yahoo accounts
19:28 lorengordon 'course, now i can't comment on the post discussing the spam :(
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19:29 whytewolf turn on the email settings [you should be able to change settings still]
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19:31 whytewolf all googlegroup user lists are typically handeled by <groupname>@googlegroups.com
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19:32 mdpolaris Hi all, I am working with gitfs for HTTPS authenticated repos and I am fighting with pygit2 on CentOS7. From the docs it appears that pygit2 is the only backend that supports https auth, is that correct?
19:32 whytewolf that is correct
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19:33 whytewolf it is the only backend that supports auth internally at all
19:33 gtmanfred isn't pygit2 just in the epel repository?
19:33 mdpolaris thanks…that lib is a royal PITA to deal with
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19:34 mdpolaris it is there, but it now requires python-cffi, which requires gcc, and a bunch of -devel packages
19:34 gtmanfred ahh yes
19:34 gtmanfred but all those should be provided :/
19:35 whytewolf yeah :/ it is a royal pain
19:35 whytewolf not by default they aren't
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19:35 gtmanfred i thought it was just in the extras repo
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19:36 whytewolf once you do get it working you get plauged by "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cffi/model.py:526: UserWarning: 'git_merge_tree_flag_t' has no values explicitly defined; next version will refuse to guess which integer type it is meant to be (unsigned/signed, int/long)"
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19:36 mdpolaris haha, but in order to get the new warnings about deprecated calls to go away i will need to compile libgit from source
19:36 gtmanfred ahh, awful
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19:36 mdpolaris yup, what whytewolf said  :)
19:36 gtmanfred yeah, i am glad i don't have to deal with that :D
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19:37 whytewolf from what i understand most of this was fixed in later versions of pygit.
19:37 whytewolf but redhat/centos has it pinned at 0.21
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19:39 mdpolaris yeah, i did get an SLS from someone that compiles a newer version of libgit2 so you can pip install a newer version of pygit2…looks like i should go that route
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19:40 iggy the salt formula I think did/does that
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19:40 mdpolaris i was hoping to avoid custom lib builds, but i seem to be stuck so i guess that is my path
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19:40 gtmanfred It should just work ™
19:41 gtmanfred :P
19:41 whytewolf can't blam it on redhat. pygit2 is a rather horrid python lib :P
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19:44 mdpolaris my other option is to just do my own git checkouts via cron or something like that
19:44 mdpolaris right into my file root
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19:49 gtmanfred what you could do is hook up the webhooks from git to hit salt api and do a git.latest as a reaction on the master
19:50 gtmanfred mdpolaris: https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/gitfs.html#refreshing-gitfs-upon-push do this, but do a state.sls that has a git.latest on the master
19:51 gtmanfred (if you host your own git, do a post-recieve hook.  If you use github/gitlab/bitbucket enterprise, have it hit the salt-api webhook)
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19:54 mdpolaris definitely less brute force  :)
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20:09 mdpolaris Thanks all for the help
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20:17 iggy yeah, I wish that was the suggested option vs gitfs anyway
20:18 iggy gitfs refreshing every minute is a definite pain
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20:19 fredrick Anyone using kitchen-salt to test with?  Getting error https://gist.github.com/anonymous/32b38d261ac0eaa69045f48666c536d8
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20:51 tapoxi so I came in here to complain about pygit2 but looks like mdpolaris beat me to it
20:51 tapoxi thoughts on the alternatives?
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21:22 Eugene I find it helps to think about alcohol
21:23 cmarzullo fredrick: I use kitchen-salt quiet a bit. Perhaps the box you are using is effed up. Trying using the boxes from the bento project.
21:23 Eugene "That's just a coping mechanism, you don't need that" my psychiatrist tells me. "Shut up, you're just my cat" I tell her back.
21:24 iggy lol
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21:32 seme hi guys... I'm trying to figure out how to run the equivalent of systemctl start systemd-sysctl after a file has been updated.  I tried service.running and service.enabled with a require statement on the file update /etc/sysctl.conf.  I think the problem is that you can only run systemctl start on that service, not restart, etc.
21:35 hemebond seme: cmd.run with an onchanges requisite?
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21:37 seme argg
21:37 seme thanks... I'm new to this
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21:50 fredrick cmarzullo: Figured out the box issues. I have separate repos for my pillar and main repo and also my master top.sls.  Any chance you do the same?  If so how do you use?
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22:38 nmccollum So, the salt:/// file transfer thing built in.
22:38 hemebond yes
22:38 nmccollum Don't symlink a 180TB directory inside /srv/salt
22:39 hemebond Why is that?
22:39 heaje yes, umm, that does sound bad....
22:39 nmccollum I don't know if it tries to cache everything it see's under /srv/salt... but it makes everything take for-fucking-ever.
22:39 hemebond Oh... yes, yes it might just try to do something like that.
22:39 nmccollum I figured it'd just follow the path /srv/salt/symlink/path/to/config/files
22:40 hemebond Hmmm. Did it put lots of stuff into /var/cache/salt/?
22:40 nmccollum Didn't check, just got rid of the symlink in favor of NFS mounts on all of the machines.
22:40 nmccollum and used file:///nfs-mount/path/to/config/file
22:41 nmccollum vast improvement in speed and reliability
22:41 nmccollum before, 1 out of 10 state.apply's would work
22:41 nmccollum I had to do -t 300 minimum for even simple things, it really hated that symlink
22:42 buu nmccollum: I ended up creating a symlink loop in my salt:// dir the first time I configured it
22:42 buu That took a little while to figure out
22:49 nmccollum Man, so much better now.
22:49 nmccollum I was a blond one from ditching salt.
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23:57 skullone anyone having issues with the salt ubuntu PPA?
23:58 skullone Getting this:
23:58 skullone An error was encountered while installing package(s): W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/saltstack/salt/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
23:58 skullone E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/saltstack/salt/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
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