Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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02:59 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt! <+> Latest Versions: 2016.11.8, 2017.7.2 <+> Support: https://www.saltstack.com/support/ <+> Logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ <+> Paste: https://gist.github.com/ <+> See also: #salt-devel, #salt-offtopic, and https://saltstackcommunity.herokuapp.com (for slack) <+> We are volunteers and may not have immediate answers
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03:07 vexati0n with the win_lgpo module, how do you set a policy back to "not defined" or "not configured" ?
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09:16 saltslackbridge <james> Is there a way to print my templated state without running it?
09:17 saltslackbridge <james> I keep getting an error regarding a conflicting ID, which must be one of my loops
09:19 hemebond Something in https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.state.html maybe?
09:19 hemebond Or just use `state.apply test=True`
09:20 hemebond Or check the minion log.
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09:27 saltslackbridge <netcho> @james `salt 'minion' state.show_sls state_name`
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10:05 saltslackbridge <james> Hm, still not working :(
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> Looks like the rendering issue blocks the modules from firing
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> It's failing to render on the master
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> but nothing in the logs that I can see
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> and test/mock still fail because of rendering
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> Tried lowstate etc.
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> but thanks
10:06 saltslackbridge <james> not sure if my messages got sent out of order because my connection dropped ^
10:06 hemebond Render on the master?
10:07 saltslackbridge <james> ?
10:07 hemebond Is it a pillar?
10:07 saltslackbridge <james> Oh right, it renders in minion
10:07 saltslackbridge <james> My bad
10:07 saltslackbridge <james> I'll do debug logs
10:08 hemebond If you use salt-call on the minion you can get debug output for just that command.
10:09 hemebond In the foreground.
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10:11 saltslackbridge <james> oh I love you
10:11 saltslackbridge <james> <3
10:12 saltslackbridge <james> Was a jinja whitespace issue with -%}
10:13 saltslackbridge <james> causing my state to not indent properly
10:13 hemebond 👍
10:13 saltslackbridge <james> Thanks a lot
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10:42 saltslackbridge <1003735434> Modify the salt built-in execution module how to sync to minion
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10:43 saltslackbridge <1003735434> Salt Version:            Salt: 2017.7.1
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14:38 emdk Any managing office saltstack repo's for debian jessie with pkgrepo.managed getting an '[Errno 21] Is a directory' error?
14:38 emdk anyone* official*
14:41 babilen I'd say that depends on your state
14:41 * babilen uses apt-formula without any issue
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14:42 babilen http://paste.debian.net/1000728/ would be an example of a generic pillar for 2016.11 (but it's easy to change the version)
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14:48 sayyid9000 test hello
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15:19 saltslackbridge <gtmanfred> @1003735434 saltutilhttps://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.saltutil.html
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15:28 XenophonF @james: do you know about the |yaml_encode and |yaml filters?
15:29 saltslackbridge <james> I do, why?
15:29 saltslackbridge <james> Oh, you mean my previous issue?
15:29 XenophonF yes
15:29 XenophonF you can do things like this: https://github.com/irtnog/shibboleth-formula/blob/master/shibboleth/sp/init.sls#L7
15:30 XenophonF instead of using for loops
15:30 XenophonF I should write down my Jinja style guide at some point
15:31 XenophonF I also recommend always starting the {% tag at the first column
15:31 XenophonF well, when writing states I do that
15:31 XenophonF like here: https://github.com/irtnog/shibboleth-formula/blob/master/shibboleth/sp/init.sls#L64
15:31 XenophonF then i indent the jinja code within the {% %}
15:32 XenophonF dealing with Jinja whitespace controls drives me crazy, so I try to avoid that
15:33 XenophonF another example, this time of a Jinja macro I use to render an XML configuration file based on Pillar data: https://github.com/irtnog/shibboleth-formula/blob/master/shibboleth/sp/lib.jinja
15:33 XenophonF note the reliance on the |indent filter to make the resulting XML look pretty
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15:39 Neighbour XenophonF: Hmm, I'm accustomed to writing {%- %} everywhere, what is your recommendation on always starting with {% based upon?
15:39 saltslackbridge <adammike> I also start pretty much everything with `{%- %}`
15:44 saltslackbridge <james> I've seen a couple of formulas using white space inside jinja
15:45 saltslackbridge <james> I've done bits with the yaml filter
15:46 saltslackbridge <james> But if it works to splat state args... then I'm mind blown and I have a big use for it
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15:58 XenophonF Neighbour: sorry I meant that generically
15:58 XenophonF I also do {%- pretty much all the time
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16:49 tom[] i've got a systemd unit that execs salt-run state.orch with ProtectSystem=strict. what paths does this process need to write?
16:49 tom[] /var/log/salt/master is one
16:50 tom[] now i have Could not write out jid file for job. prep_jid could not store a jid after 5 tries. Could not store job cache info.
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17:01 motherfsck Any have a reason why this isn't working for me?  I'm probably overlooking something silly.
17:01 motherfsck salt 'host'  cmd.run "for i in $(docker volume ls | grep -v VOLUME | cut -f 2- -d ' '); do docker volume inspect $i; done" shell=/bin/bash
17:06 vexati0n with the Windows lgpo module, does anyone know how to reset a policy back to "not configured" when the policy requires additional settings?
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19:39 XenophonF motherfsck: what isn't working?
19:40 XenophonF can't tell without an error message, but if I had to guess, you need to escape $(
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20:00 noraatepernos git.latest is killing me. I never want to see “your local changes to the following files would be overwritten” again. What do I need beside force_reset?
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20:03 noraatepernos Also odd is that it always errors on first high state, then zero errors on second high state run immediately after.
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20:06 noraatepernos I will try force_checkout
20:07 XenophonF noraatepernos: I haven't had time to dive into it, but here's how I work around these issues: https://github.com/irtnog/comanage-formula/blob/master/comanage/registry/init.sls#L77
20:08 XenophonF basically, I use Jinja to set force_reset only if there's already a git checkout in the targeted directory
20:08 noraatepernos Ahh, interesting. Thank you.
20:09 XenophonF i need to report that bug in salt.modules.git.is_worktree() if it hasn't been fixed already
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20:47 iggy am I the only one that thinks that saltstackbridge thing is really confusing?
20:48 SamYaple freenode as a whole would need better integration to make it prettier, but thtas not going to happen because it requires the ability to spoof names more or less :/
20:48 SamYaple alot of my other channels are doingthe same slack tie in and itspainful
20:51 aphor slack should just implement IRC server and peer with the networks each slack org wants to peer
20:53 SamYaple aphor: but how would it make money that way? :)
20:53 JPT "This query presented by ...."
20:56 babilen iggy: I don't like it much and would be happier without it
20:56 babilen aphor: exactly
20:56 babilen Or SaltStack should just say: "Sorry guys, we're using Slack internally which is why we'd like you all to move there"
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20:58 SamYaple babilen: id actually be fine with that. the slack irc gateway is pretty solid
20:58 aphor Are there any old Internet protocols left which haven't been co-opted by meh commercial offerings targeting idiots who memorize jargon and love to wear tan pants?
20:58 SamYaple i have 4 right now
20:59 SamYaple in fact. im just oging to do that now anyway
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21:06 babilen I have a bit of "Get off my lawn" feeling and don't really mind Slack, but I would just dislike it if IRC turns into an amalgamation of various $$$$ services such as Slack, Gitter, HipChat, ...
21:07 babilen If the Slack channel is being used more then, fair enough, people will use that .. If IRC is more active then Slack obviously didn't provide enough value to get people to use it, but the way this is handled now is just ugly.
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21:09 schemanic Hello, I just upgraded my salt master from 2016 to 2017.7.2, but now minions I spin up with salt-cloud are failing to start salt-minion
21:09 schemanic I get ERROR: Unable to look-up config values for /etc/salt
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21:19 schemanic All of my states are returning 'minion did not return'
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21:24 schemanic is anyone here?
21:25 babilen Did you also upgrade the minions?
21:25 hemebond schemanic: Are they installing 2017.7.2?
21:26 babilen (nvm)
21:26 schemanic babilen, hemebond, minions are being created with salt-cloud post upgrade.
21:26 schemanic the minions seem to be installing 2017.7.2
21:26 saltslackbridge <sam_saltstack> oh wow. this channel isnt even bridged to #general on slack. its a completely seperate channel :O
21:26 hemebond Did you test your states on 2017.7.2?
21:27 schemanic hemebond, no not yet.
21:27 hemebond Ah, there will very likely be changes required :-)
21:27 schemanic I see
21:27 schemanic my configurations are largely from community formulas
21:28 schemanic I have a reactor set up to automatically run highstate on newly commissioned aws resources
21:28 babilen https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/40529 comes up
21:28 hemebond :-D
21:29 babilen Is that on CentOS?
21:30 schemanic babilen, yes it's Amazon Linux. Closest cousin.
21:30 babilen https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/salt-users/fL8usIIb8X0
21:31 babilen Using fancy pillars?
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21:32 schemanic elaborate on 'fancy pillars'?
21:32 babilen Anything !bog standard (i.e. external pillars)
21:33 schemanic yes. I am using a git pillar
21:33 babilen See the above issue, it touches on that.
21:33 schemanic what is !bog
21:33 babilen I used ! in the sense of "not"
21:33 babilen Sorry for that
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21:34 schemanic what is 'not bog'
21:34 schemanic the above issue does not mention git pillar
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21:35 schemanic as in the most immediately aforementioned link
21:36 schemanic ahh, I see I believe
21:37 schemanic babilen, when we refer to setting ext_pillar_first: true, is that in the minion or mininon.d/whatever files?
21:37 babilen schemanic: "not bog standard" == "anything out of the ordinary" -- https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bog-standard.html
21:38 babilen I would expect the "ext_pillar_first: true" setting to be in the master configuration file
21:39 saltslackbridge <samyaple> iggy you might try the irc gateway from the saltstack slack side, it gets back to normality
21:44 schemanic thanks babilen I'll try setting ext_pillar_first and disabling my provisioning reactor.
21:44 babilen schemanic: I haven't really looked into this issue in detail, just found that bug report and mentioned it in the hope it might help you
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21:46 tobiasBora Hello,
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21:47 tobiasBora I'd like to deploy a salt server that get all the informations from a given git server, what is the more straightforward way to proceed?
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22:06 sayyid9000 we have a person using salt.stack ( the ext pillar ) to assign minions to groups vi text file for each minion. he doesn't speak english - is this method better than using grains,ex role:support on the minion?? did he just re-invent the wheel? What am i missing
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22:08 iggy sayyid9000: the problem with grains is they can be changed on the minion... so a compromised minion could change it's role to access pillar data it's not supposed to
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22:13 saltslackbridge <samyaple> iggy couldn't you get rid of that security risk by putting the sensitive data behind pillar that can only be access by the minion id? or would it still be possible to break that?
22:14 sayyid9000 that makes sense. seems like a lot of files to manage, but yeah.
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23:25 iggy yeah, it's not a problem for everyone... just depends on your specific setup
23:25 iggy and yeah, it's a trade-off between security vs ease of use
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23:32 saltslackbridge <james> Is it possible to show one outputter but log to file with another?
23:32 saltslackbridge <james> I have a nice brief outputter for the CLI, but if there are any errors, I'd like to log those to a file
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