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lkthomas |
https://github.com/salt-formulas/salt-formula-nagios |
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lkthomas |
if I want to use it, should I put it on base or pillar directory ? |
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hemebond |
Formulas go into your formulas directory. |
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hemebond |
Or put the `nagios` subdirectory into your states. |
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hemebond |
(I guess that's what you mean by "base") |
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lkthomas |
OK, do I need full git directory ? |
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hemebond |
What I personally do is clone the Git repo to /srv/salt/formulas/blah |
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hemebond |
Then symlink from /srv/salt/states/base/blah -> /srv/salt/formulas/blah/blah |
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hemebond |
The "proper" way to use formulas is to clone the repo to your own place, then update the master config to pull that down for you. |
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lkthomas |
so I need to clone that repo, then symlink salt-formula-nagios/nagios to /srv/salt/states/base/nagios, correct ? |
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lkthomas |
there are tons of things that I don't need I think |
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hemebond |
That's what I do. |
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hemebond |
salt-master can do it for you, but I do it manually. |
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lkthomas |
such as _modules, tests, debian, metadata/service |
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hemebond |
It doesn't hurt to just clone it. It's not that big. |
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lkthomas |
yes, I mean, when I link it to base, I don't need all those files |
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hemebond |
And will make it easy to update later. |
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hemebond |
oh, those are outside the subdirectory, no? |
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lkthomas |
huh ? |
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hemebond |
Oh actually, if it has _modules then you might need those. |
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lkthomas |
what?! err |
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lkthomas |
do I need the whole repo link to states |
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* lkthomas |
confused |
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hemebond |
No, just the nagios subdirectory, the directory that contains the states. |
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lkthomas |
ok cool |
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hemebond |
However, if there is a _modules directory in the formula, then you might need to sort that out too. |
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lkthomas |
let me try, thanks |
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lkthomas |
... |
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hemebond |
(this is done for you if you use salt-master) |
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lkthomas |
it does have _modules |
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lkthomas |
what should I do ? |
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hemebond |
If you're not comfortable with the manual process, follow the salt-master route. |
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lkthomas |
salt-master route = ? |
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hemebond |
https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/development/conventions/formulas.html |
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hemebond |
Add it as a gitfs_remote |
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whytewolf |
formulas are written so that the root of the formula can be accessed as a salt:// root location. it is up to you how to present that root to your system |
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lkthomas |
hemebond, LOL it's different than what you suggest on manual process |
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hemebond |
Yes. |
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hemebond |
The manual process is entirely manual :-) |
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lkthomas |
at least it doesn't to symlink |
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hemebond |
It would require you to copy over the contents of _modules to your own /states/base/_modules directory |
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lkthomas |
hemebond, nope, no mention on the page |
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hemebond |
The page I linked to isn't about the manual process. |
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hemebond |
It's about the proper way to include formulas. |
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lkthomas |
I still don't understand the difference between base and pillar |
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hemebond |
base is states. |
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hemebond |
e.g., /srv/salt/states/base/ |
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whytewolf |
base is an enviroment and pillar is a dict that holds data |
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hemebond |
Base is the environment name. |
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hemebond |
Oh yeah, pillars too. |
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lkthomas |
LOL, still confused, that's fine, nagios formula asking to define in Pillar, let me do it in pillar first |
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lkthomas |
maybe after a while I will understand |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> base is where your states go |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> pillars are where your secrets go |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> and that’s a vast simplification |
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hemebond |
Your pillar base directory is probably /srv/salt/pillars |
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hemebond |
You can change it./ |
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hemebond |
The default environment is base |
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lkthomas |
yeah |
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hemebond |
My base environment paths are /srv/salt/states/base/ and /srv/salt/pillars/base/ |
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lkthomas |
what's pillar mean in Puppet term ? |
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hemebond |
Heira |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> ^ |
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lkthomas |
UGHH, fsck, I never use Heira |
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hemebond |
Pillars are better than Hiera. |
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whytewolf |
a better name would be hiera bus simpler |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> well you don’t want to stick your sensitive data in your states |
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lkthomas |
OK, maybe I will learn along the way |
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saltslackbridge |
<randy> so learn you some pillars for great good |
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lkthomas |
randy, OH |
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whytewolf |
https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/pillar/ |
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lkthomas |
brb |
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lkthomas |
thanks all |
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viq |
I rather refer to pillars as "variables", since it's more than just secrets. But yeah, hiera is a good analogy. |
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rgrundstrom |
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saltnoob58 |
hi |
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saltnoob58 |
anyone know how to collect OS info like grains, only over ssh, with the minionless option? |
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mage_ |
hello.. any idea for https://gist.github.com/silenius/ed3b5e93024b888cc9060b8c3f9641a1 ? |
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babilen |
saltnoob58: You mean with salt-ssh ? |
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saltnoob58 |
yes |
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saltnoob58 |
well it turns out it just works if you try it out, but the way documentation talks about how it's such an integral part of the minion makes you think it might not be the case |
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saltnoob58 |
also documentation sometimes conflates the agent and the target host both as minion |
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babilen |
salt-ssh essentially uploads a minion that is run in masterless mode |
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saltnoob58 |
that's seems like a weird way to do it, but i can't say ansible doesn't do the same thing. As long is works |
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babilen |
Well, you have to have some software that it run on the remote side |
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kedare |
Hi all :) |
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kedare |
Question, is there a way to set multiple global job_cache ? Like it is possible with event returners ? |
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kedare |
Basically I have a web ui that is for now pointing to a MongoDB (To consult job status and results in a friendly way) and I’m moving it to PostgreSQL so I would like to inject everything in both, so I can develop the PostgreSQL one without impacting the existing one that is still using MongoDB |
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mage_ |
canI use a 2017.x master with 2016.x clients ? |
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ntropy |
mage_: probably; master being on higher version than minions is fine, the other way around isn't recommended |
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mage_ |
ok thanks :) |
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saltslackbridge |
<gtmanfred> master should always be able to be a higher version |
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saltslackbridge |
<gtmanfred> https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/faq.html#can-i-run-different-versions-of-salt-on-my-master-and-minion |
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saltslackbridge |
<gtmanfred> and for most cases your minions can be newer than the master, except if your minions are on 2017.7.0 or 2017.7.1, it got broken there, but fixed in 2017.7.2 |
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schemanic |
hello, can anyone help me with an issue I ran into friday? I'm sorry if anyone replied before but I couldn't be around after work. I need help with a problem I'm having when calling basically any salt functions on a specific minion |
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schemanic |
Passed invalid arguments to saltutil.sync_all: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable |
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ntropy |
schemanic: this channel is logged and logs are public - http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ - maybe someone did already answer your question :) |
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ntropy |
(its in the topic) |
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mage_ |
thanks |
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schemanic |
thanks ntropy, I didn't know such a tool was available. Unfortunately I don't think anyone answered me. |
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schemanic |
this seems to be an issue with basically everything I try running against the minon - state.apply, state.highstate, saltutil.sync_all etc. |
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schemanic |
I only seem to be able to call individual states |
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babilen |
schemanic: I've seen that when empty data was included in state/pillar declarations .. tricky to find and you might just want to perform a binary search on the "usual suspects" |
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babilen |
I *really* don't like seeing that issue |
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schemanic |
babilen, if I follow you, you mean to say that a change in my topfile might be causing the issue? |
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babilen |
I'd start with states that extend other states |
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babilen |
Not necessarily the top file - It could literally be anywhere where dynamic data is being included (or in this case: missing) |
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babilen |
So that a state declaration is incomplete |
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saltslackbridge |
<mts-salt> best way to diagnose it sadly is to start bisecting your config and reduce it down to the smallest working subset, then build back up again :( |
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babilen |
Yeah, binary search it is |
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babilen |
https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/php-formula/blob/master/php/ng/fpm/pools.sls was the last time I ran into this .. that formula bombs with the default configuration |
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schemanic |
babilen, what do you mean binary search? |
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saltslackbridge |
<gtmanfred> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_tree |
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babilen |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm |
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babilen |
Essentially: Remove one half of your code, test .. if error gone: Remove half of that half, test again .. continue until you found the culprit |
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babilen |
(thing git bisect) |
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babilen |
*think |
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schemanic |
I see. so remove half of the states in my topfile and see whats breaking |
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babilen |
Sadly .. yes |
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schemanic |
hmm... |
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babilen |
If that fixes the problem, the issue must be in a state in the other half, so you focus on that |
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saltslackbridge |
<mts-salt> when something similar happened to me i copied the git data into a minion and started commenting huge swaths out and testing in masterless mode. it's helpful that a minion seems quite happy to be both :slightly_smiling_face: |
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babilen |
(rinse and repeat) |
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schemanic |
you mentioned 'empty data' being included. what might that look like? |
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babilen |
Like the example I mentioned |
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babilen |
When {{ file_requisites(pool_states) }} is empty it bombs |
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babilen |
(which is the case with the default configuration) |
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schemanic |
The last thing I did that happened before I broke things was that I couldn't figure out the targeting expression in my topfile. I wanted to call out two specific minions. I got frustrated so I just copied the state/pillar assignments in my topfile and gave each it's own target expression. |
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babilen |
It's probably the most annoying error you'll ever encounter with SaltStack :) |
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saltslackbridge |
<mts-salt> we were trying to make import_yaml work inside pillar recently, and it just results in a totally empty pillar |
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saltslackbridge |
<mts-salt> some of the errors are indeed, well, frustrating |
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schemanic |
Okay. Thanks for the help. I'm going to go hunting for it. |
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babilen |
All the best! |
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jle |
Hi! What kind of memory usage should I expect for a master with about 1000 minions? |
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jle |
I am seeing 1.6 GB for a master with only 400 minions now.. is this really normal when idling? |
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t3rm |
are there any active, open source gui/web frontends for salt? |
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<gtmanfred> saltpad is usually the one people recommend |
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kojiro |
In pillars I have a list of cnames. In state I want the A record for those strings. So I have `{{ cnames|map(salt['dnsutil.A'])|map(first) }}` to get the first result from dnsutil.A for each entry in the cnames list. |
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kojiro |
But the actual rendered state is a list of the characters in the repr of a generator object |
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kojiro |
I also tried to use the jinja `list()` filter, but get "Jinja error: no filter named <function caller at 0x7f9e5a904c80>" |
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kojiro |
If anyone has advice for dereferencing cnames across a list in states, I'd appreciate it |
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schemanic__ |
babilen, holy crapsticks you know what my issue was? |
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schemanic__ |
in my topfile I had this: |
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schemanic__ |
'targeting_expression':\n\t- state1\n\t-state2\n\t - # state3 after written |
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schemanic__ |
there was a blank line item |
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babilen |
schemanic__: That's ... |
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babilen |
I'm so sorry |
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* babilen |
hands a pint of Grozet to schemanic__ |
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XenophonF |
it comes in pints?! |
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MTecknology |
comes in bottles.. bottles are close to a pint? |
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* MTecknology |
wants to try it |
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babilen |
Well .. I normally pour it into a pint glass |
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babilen |
Fraoch too |
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TTimo |
I have a minion that's taking a long time to go through it's highstate (started via saltcloud) .. is there a way I can 'tail' the log output from the master to see what it's doing ? |
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iggy |
TTimo: no (other than `salt 'minion' cmd.run "tail /var/log/salt/minion"` periodically |
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babilen |
TTimo: To debug this you might want to call "salt-call -ldebug state.apply" on the minion |
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TTimo |
yeah it's a Windows minion, tbh no idea where the logs are going |
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TTimo |
k |
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iggy |
having to log onto the minion and run stuff isn't very cloudy |
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TTimo |
I know right :) |
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babilen |
It does, however, solve the problem |
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whytewolf |
TTimo: could add '- fire_event: True' to all of your states and watch the event bus |
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babilen |
Is there a nice way to add something to every state? |
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whytewolf |
honestly I could have sworn there was a config option that does it for states. but I'm on lunch. |
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