Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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02:55 Topic for #salt is now Welcome to #salt! <+> Latest Versions: 2016.11.9, 2017.7.3 <+> Support: https://www.saltstack.com/support/ <+> Logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt/ <+> Paste: https://gist.github.com/ <+> See also: #salt-devel, #salt-offtopic, and https://saltstackcommunity.herokuapp.com (for slack) <+> We are volunteers and may not have immediate answers
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12:00 Ivo Why does the salt download page https://saltstack.com/saltstack-downloads/ imply you need to register somehow to be able to see its repository?
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12:02 Ivo Doesn't really give me much faith in their commitment to an open platform
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12:06 hemebond Yeah, I found that odd too.
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12:07 hemebond Not sure it really says anything about their commitment to an open platform though.
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12:07 hemebond saltstack.com website is mostly for the company.
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13:06 Ivo It tells me they think in order for me to get their open source code, I should really be giving them my phone number
13:06 Ivo which is just, waaaaaaaaaaat
13:07 Ivo back a while ago, saltstack.org used to be for the 'community OSS project' itself
13:07 Ivo but now I see that's been just redirected to the .com
13:08 Ivo makes you wonder what the aim of all these design changes are
13:08 Ivo motivations
13:09 Ivo "you know what, lets try and collect as many of our community', and prospective users', personal details as possible, without telling them they can try our OSS project themselves first"
13:09 Ivo thats what doesn't inspire confidence
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13:17 sh123124213 I want to compare current time with the modification time of a file and check if its modified for the last 10 minutes
13:18 sh123124213 I thought of doing data -r $file , extract a number and get current date with the same format and do date2 - date1
13:18 sh123124213 ignore
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13:57 mTeK When using grains and I pull the OS for my phone server it says "Sangoma" It's really just Centos. When I run a service restart or watch it says it fails doesn't know about the service.
13:59 mTeK I'm new to salt just fyi
14:00 sh123124213 I don't really understand your question mTeK
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14:14 mTeK Sorry Internet when out before I was done. I'm trying to restart an service by watching a file. It works fine on Ubuntu but my phone servers are custom version of cents.
14:15 mTeK It tells me the named service "service name" is not available.
14:16 sh123124213 so the agent does not start on these centos servers you have ?
14:16 mTeK Yes well it tells me Comment: The named service zabbix.agent.service is not available
14:16 mTeK I
14:17 mTeK I've tied zabbix-agent, zabbix_agent,zabbix_agentd
14:18 sh123124213 can you try to see what works on the command line on the server ?
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14:18 mTeK zabbix-agent
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14:19 mTeK but systemd might be doing a different call
14:19 mTeK service zabbix-agent status | Redirecting to /bin/systemctl status zabbix-agent.service | zabbix-agent.service - Zabbix Agent
14:20 sh123124213 on a centos system it uses service which should work for both systemd and init
14:20 mTeK Thats the first 3 lines..
14:20 mTeK service zabbix-agent restart | Redirecting to /bin/systemctl restart zabbix-agent.service
14:21 sh123124213 maybe you can try to run the command from the master : salt -L minion cmd.run 'service zabbix-agent status'
14:23 mTeK https://pastebin.com/c1qQM6gV
14:24 mTeK I got to step out. Moving to mobile.
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14:25 sh123124213 then it should work with the same name
14:26 sh123124213 salt -L minion service.restart zabbix-agent
14:26 sh123124213 try that
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15:13 onslack <randy> Have we solved the whole “reboot in the middle of a state but have it pick up where it left off thing” in salt yet? Been away from the game for a long time and getting back into it.
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15:48 coredumb randy not that I know of
15:49 coredumb however how's that even something to solve?
15:59 XenophonF onslack: last I heard, the Right Way to handle those sorts of things is Salt Orchestration
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15:59 XenophonF you can watch for an event in the middle of such a thing
15:59 XenophonF e.g., minion/up
15:59 XenophonF I bookmarked an example but can't find it now
16:03 XenophonF I should dive back into that because I need it in order to automate my SharePoint deployments.
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17:02 XenophonF I want to port some of my Salt formulas to other config management systems.  Which one should I target first?  I'm leaning toward Ansible.
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18:40 onslack <randy> makes sense
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19:24 viq XenophonF: have you seen mgmt?
19:34 XenophonF viq: no
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20:06 viq XenophonF: https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/
20:07 MTecknology XenophonF: since it's forumlas, chef and puppet should probably be first, followed by cfengine, and then mgmt
20:18 viq With puppet you'll see how many of the modules that you take for granted you have to do yourself or scour puppetforge for someone else having done it before you.
20:18 MTecknology viq: Heh... I don't know what to think about mgmt. It looks like it was written well, by someone that knew what the heck they were doing. The docs are interestingly-github, well-written, and probably complete from a dev perspective. Whoever wrote this clearly knew what they were doing, but it also feels a lot like a hobby effort.
20:19 MTecknology "Once mgmt is minimally viable, we'll publish a quick start guide for users too."
20:19 viq It was/is a hobby effort.
20:19 viq I guess he may have gotten some company time to work on that, but not too much, and AFAIK that's gone now.
20:20 viq So that's a hobby/community project, yes.
20:21 MTecknology It definitely looks like it has potential at some point in the future.
20:21 XenophonF my audience would be the global research and education community, so i'm more interested in porting to config management systems they'd be using
20:22 MTecknology that series of words in that order makes my brain twist in confusion
20:22 XenophonF you know about LIGO, right?  the big gravitational wave astronomy project?
20:23 XenophonF they have hundreds (thousands?) of researchers across multiple institutions
20:23 XenophonF and so access control is a hard problem
20:23 XenophonF lots of large-scale scientific research projects have that issue
20:23 XenophonF include my employer
20:24 XenophonF so we've built out authentication and authorization infrastructure (AAI) following something called the AARC Blueprint Architecture
20:24 XenophonF and I've managed that deployment using SaltStack
20:25 XenophonF I've published some of that work, e.g., shibboleth-formula and comanage-formula.
20:25 XenophonF I am working on publishing the rest before the end of the summer, e.g., satosa-formula
20:25 viq Stating the obvious, but if you want agentless then I guess ansible, if you want something with highest userbase then I guess puppet.
20:26 XenophonF And then I want to present it at the Internet2 Technology Exchange this fall.
20:26 XenophonF I'm worried that if I say "SaltStack", all these R&E people will go, "wut?"
20:27 XenophonF Puppet and Ansible seem to be what everyone else in my circle of IAM people is using.
20:27 MTecknology hm.. appranetly mgmt tries to do automatic dependency resolution.
20:28 MTecknology viq: interesting- thanks for sharing!
20:28 viq yeah, it is a very interesting idea
20:29 viq And one of demos they did already in early stages was managing /tmp/file, even with content from other machines, and "cat /tmp/file ; rm /tmp/file ; cat /tmp/file" displaying proper contents both times
20:31 XenophonF wow this guy did a ton of work
20:32 MTecknology It's impressive, especially for a golang project.
20:32 MTecknology I don't see myself ever using it, but still neat.
20:46 XenophonF looks like he was a Puppet guy, and this project was funded by Red Hat
20:47 XenophonF man, I have seen some really cool stuff done in golang recently, this included
20:47 XenophonF I should take some time to learn it.
20:52 MTecknology most golang stuff is giant piles of clueless copy/paste garbage
20:52 MTecknology like nodejs, but not quite as bad
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