Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #sdl, 2014-04-26

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19:39 Mithaldu FROGGS_!
19:39 Mithaldu yo
19:39 Mithaldu FROGGS_: get a damn bnc so i can yell at you when you're offline and you'll actually see it
19:39 FROGGS_ Mithaldu: :o)
19:40 Mithaldu FROGGS_: ALSO, your latest release installed under activeperl 5.12 with the previous release installed beforehand fails tests and generally shits the bed
19:40 FROGGS_ the what?
19:40 Mithaldu removing alien::sdl, SDL, box2 manually and then installing it works fine
19:40 FROGGS_ hmmm
19:40 FROGGS_ it should not choose to reuse the old installation by default ....
19:41 FROGGS_ but I've seen a report about that already
19:41 Mithaldu didn't inspect it deeper because i wanted to have something working
19:41 Mithaldu of note:
19:41 FROGGS_ but I thought somebody did that manually
19:41 Mithaldu alien::SDL listed the existing directory as the first option for the compile thing
19:41 Mithaldu also, while i'm whining:
19:41 Mithaldu please document somewhere in detail why the older version of SDL is recommended and the newer one isn't
19:42 Mithaldu (inb4 i forgot :3)
19:42 FROGGS_ ahh, you're a talking about packages with prebuild binaries?
19:42 Mithaldu when you say "you're talking about" after i said a great many things, please actually qualify what you're referring to
19:43 FROGGS_ I think the other one was recommended because it was compiled in another way... have to search for details
19:43 Mithaldu because otherwise i cannot usefully agree/deny
19:43 FROGGS_ I am talking about this in my last two sentences: "please document somewhere in detail why the older version of SDL is recommended and the newer one isn't"
19:44 Mithaldu yep
19:44 FROGGS_ k
19:44 Mithaldu i wasn't even clear about the precompiled part
19:44 Mithaldu since it also does a compilation step i thought it was downloading sources and maybe a .lib
19:45 FROGGS_ Alien::SDL does not compile anything IIRC (on windows)
19:45 Mithaldu but yeah, from the perspective of 2014 it's very confusing to have a 2010 thing recommended over 2011
19:45 FROGGS_ because therefor you'd need a huge Visual C project monster
19:45 Mithaldu with the option list being identical between the two
19:45 Mithaldu ok
19:46 Mithaldu also
19:46 Mithaldu your latest release doesn't explain well what good it does users :)
19:47 FROGGS_ can I have that again in a sentence I do understand?
19:48 Mithaldu from the perspective of a user i do not understand what advantages your latest sdl release gives me
19:48 Mithaldu "bump that to that" is kind of meaningless
19:48 FROGGS_ ahh, okay
19:48 Mithaldu i can't tell if you did it to solve a specific problem, or just because
19:48 FROGGS_ I see
19:50 FROGGS_ Alien::SDL and SDL are always a tight couple, in the latest release it will build a newer version of SDL_gfx and so SDL needs to depend on the ALien::SDL version that includes the fix
19:51 FROGGS_ but yeah, I forgot that somebody actually reads the changelog :o)
19:51 Mithaldu so there was a fix you wanted to get in?
19:52 FROGGS_ yes
19:55 FROGGS_ 00:23 Mithaldu jesus christ froggs, if you release a module that fails tests left and right, at least leave a damn irc bnc on so i can whine at it
19:55 FROGGS_ 00:26 at least it's only some audio thing that's fucked
19:55 FROGGS_ what audio thing is fucked?
19:55 Mithaldu the mixer test failed
19:55 FROGGS_ ahh, this one
19:55 Mithaldu it passed after i deleted all the old stuff
19:56 FROGGS_ that is indeed very interesting to know
19:56 FROGGS_ and btw, you can also create an issue or write a mail next time (in case I am not here)
20:01 Mithaldu lately i assume it's a windows vs. linux thing because most people just don't give a shit anymore
20:01 FROGGS_ well, I do care
20:02 FROGGS_ that is why I have like 4 windows boxes, several bsd's, solaris, linuxes, ...
20:02 FROGGS_ osx, even
20:03 FROGGS_ everything is a matter of time
20:03 Mithaldu oh, also, because the last time i looked at the repository for sdl i didn't see any activity :/
20:04 FROGGS_ true
20:04 FROGGS_ I usually only care about Perl 6 these days
20:04 FROGGS_ the recent activity here was triggered by debian packagers, they had an issue with latest SDL_gfx
20:05 FROGGS_ but of course I will work on making the current release bug free-ish
20:07 Mithaldu ok, here's a thing, zooming a surface by -1 on the vertical crashes SDL :P
20:08 FROGGS_ doctor doctor is hurts when...
20:08 Mithaldu also, tbh
20:08 FROGGS_ IIRC that works on linux
20:08 Mithaldu the whole sdlx stuff is batshit insane
20:08 FROGGS_ :o)
20:08 FROGGS_ you're welcome to make it better
20:09 Mithaldu i am
20:09 Mithaldu that's why i'm writing a game
20:09 Mithaldu to figure out what the needed api is
20:09 FROGGS_ that is a very good way
20:17 * mtj waves to Mithaldu  and FROGGS_ ...
20:18 FROGGS_ hi mtj
20:18 mtj i've been curious why you dont use a irc 'bouncer' FROGGS_ ?
20:19 mtj have you not found one you like yet?
20:19 FROGGS_ mtj: I just need to set one up
20:19 mtj hey, try znc… its been the easiest for me
20:19 FROGGS_ mtj: I did not take the time yet to see how/what to set up actually
20:20 mtj i've tried many over the years
20:20 FROGGS_ screen is also such a thing, right? or is it just related?
20:20 mtj quassel was pretty nice to
20:21 mtj hmm, some people run a bouncer in screen - but they are quite different
20:22 mtj i use screen a lot too :)
20:23 mtj so yeah, take a peek at znc and quassel
20:23 mtj quassel comes with its own bouncer/proxy
20:23 FROGGS_ k
20:23 FROGGS_ I will
20:24 Mithaldu mtj: morning :)
20:24 FROGGS_ but first I need to finish $dayjob :/
20:24 mtj evening Mithaldu
20:29 mtj i'm still very keen to help out with the SDL2 stuff...
20:29 Mithaldu on perl6?
20:29 Mithaldu also, ugh, sdl-involvement quite slowed down now because i need to figure out the network stuff first
20:29 mtj hmm, prolly on perl5 1st...
20:30 Mithaldu mtj: well you're likely on your own
20:30 Mithaldu FROGGS_ said earlier he'd only do it on 6
20:30 mtj yeah, i realise that...
20:31 mtj i am a bit afraid of making some bad design choices, on SDL2 by myself
20:34 mtj i'd still been keen to help on SDL for perl6 tho, too :)
20:35 Mithaldu mtj: well, just model the SDL c api as closely as you can, avoiding global singletons like the pest
20:35 Mithaldu that's all you need to do ;)
20:35 FROGGS_ correct
20:36 FROGGS_ you can always add a sugar layer later
20:36 FROGGS_ but keep the primitives as libsdl provides them
20:42 Mithaldu also maybe steal ideas from OpenGL.pm
20:57 mtj FROGGS_, yep, i understand keeping the primitives 1-to-1
21:00 mtj anyhoo, i'm quite busy over here too - so i've not had much time for SDL stuff :/
21:01 FROGGS_ yeah, RL sucks sometimes :/

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