Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #sdl, 2014-09-26

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12:19 fliflaflo okay, now i installed SDL through fink and installed Alien::SDL with "perl Build.PL --with-sdl-config=/sw/bin/sdl-config"
12:20 fliflaflo running the lunar lander tutorial quits with that error: Undefined subroutine &SDL::Image::load called at lunarLander.pl line 33.
12:21 fliflaflo running lander.pl from "perl -MSDL::Tutorial::LunarLander=lander.pl -e1" shows the same error
12:21 FROGGS probably lunar lander is outdated
12:22 fliflaflo mhh
12:22 fliflaflo it's a though start with perl and sdl ^^
12:23 fliflaflo tough
12:23 FROGGS :/
12:23 FROGGS well, the SDL module here is not really maintained since a while...
12:25 fliflaflo meh :/
12:25 fliflaflo everyone switched to python?
12:26 fliflaflo it seems like it is no good idea to start programming games with perl
12:27 FROGGS I'm not sure many ppl switched to python... it is more like there never were enough perl game ppl
12:30 fliflaflo ok
12:31 fliflaflo what has to be done to change this? : )
12:32 fliflaflo there is SDL2 and no perl bindings ready to use
12:32 fliflaflo maybe i can participate in building them?
12:33 fliflaflo or rather update the SDL1 bindings, btw do they support latest version of the sdl1 stuff?
12:33 FROGGS sure, you are welcome if you want to help
12:33 FROGGS who is 'they'?
12:34 fliflaflo i mean the SDL bindings from cpan
12:35 FROGGS yes, these bindings are pretty recent
12:35 fliflaflo i installed latest sdl libs through fink and installed SDL from though i don't exactly know if they work together
12:35 FROGGS since there is not much movement in libsdl 1.2.* anymore
12:35 fliflaflo lastest sdl1 libs ..
12:35 fliflaflo yes
12:36 fliflaflo mh ok then i just have to find some recent documentation for the bindings ^^
12:37 FROGGS somewhere on libsdl.org
14:13 fliflaflo meh, it's frustrating...
14:13 FROGGS what exactly?
14:15 fliflaflo found a sdl manual by kartik thakore, startet to work on it then happens the next error ... SDL_gfx_primitives support has not been compiled at /Users/flo/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.20.1/lib/site_perl/5.20.1/darwin-2level/SDLx/Surface.pm line 289.
14:16 fliflaflo i installed sdl-gfx with fink
14:16 fliflaflo ╰─➤  sdl-config --libs
14:16 fliflaflo -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -Wl,-framework,Cocoa
14:16 fliflaflo shouln't there be something like -lSDLgfx also?
14:19 FROGGS probably...
14:19 FROGGS can you install libSDL_gfx via fink?
14:19 FROGGS (and then Alien::SDL and SDL again)
14:26 fliflaflo the package is called sdl-gfx13 (SDL basic drawing routines and rotozoomer) in fink, that should be right?
14:26 fliflaflo when i run  perl Build.PL --with-sdl-config=/sw/bin/sdl-config again it says checking for SDL_gfx... no
14:27 fliflaflo i run that command in the cloned Alien-SDL directory...
14:28 fliflaflo that looks like sdl-config does not recognize the additional libraries
14:31 fliflaflo maybe that also causes the error "Undefined subroutine &SDL::Image::load" which i complained earlier about... -> checking for SDL_image... no
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14:45 FROGGS yeah...
14:45 FROGGS sdl-config will just tell us the paths we're searching for libs like SDL_gfx
14:46 FROGGS though I'm not sure if sdl-gfx13 is the right package for you
14:59 mtj hi fliflaflo, FROGGS
15:00 FROGGS hi mtj
15:00 FROGGS mtj: do I get op please? :o)
15:00 mtj i should try to get travis to build for osx
15:01 FROGGS mtj: would be awesome
15:01 FROGGS though, getting an osx-travis might be hard atm
15:01 FROGGS mtj: thanks
15:01 mtj FROGGS: hmm, perhaps not
15:02 FROGGS mtj: how so? does one still just have to send an email to the travis guys?
15:02 mtj http://docs.travis-ci.com/user/osx-ci-environment/
15:03 fliflaflo hi mtj
15:04 mtj the only catch is that the VM might  not have perl installed ...
15:04 mtj hi fliflaflo
15:04 mtj fliflaflo: ive been using macports on my osx-lion
15:05 fliflaflo i was thinking of macports to but decided for fink because you get apt with it ^^
15:05 mtj ...only coz it had more supported pkgs, but i hate the compile times :/
15:05 mtj yeah
15:06 fliflaflo i have 1-2 debian computers here...
15:06 mtj yes, me too
15:06 fliflaflo mh
15:07 fliflaflo i don't think that finks SDL installation fails
15:09 mtj cool, thats good
15:09 fliflaflo ^^
15:10 mtj i think i have no sdl pkgs installed with macports
15:10 fliflaflo and libSDL_gfx is in the sdl-gfx13 package
15:11 mtj hmm, ok
15:11 fliflaflo yes, i thought to go for a plan b since the building with Alien::SDL fails : ( but i looks like that makes everything even worse
15:11 mtj fliflaflo: ill try to sort a travis build for mavericks+fink
15:12 mtj fliflaflo:  i did the same thing as you :)
15:14 fliflaflo :)
15:14 mtj if you stick about for a week, we can hopefully sort a fix for mavericks
15:14 fliflaflo ok that sounds good
15:15 mtj i would be keen to upgrade too :p
15:15 fliflaflo hehe
15:15 fliflaflo what about SDL2?
15:15 mtj i have 3 tax returns due, atm
15:16 mtj people have been too busy to work on sdl2
15:16 mtj ...and sdl1 is working well enuff
15:17 fliflaflo i wonder if i could help anyhow? i don't know if my skills are sufficient ^^
15:17 FROGGS fliflaflo: you're from Germany?
15:17 mtj i had some speed problems with sdl1, but used opengl to fix
15:17 fliflaflo and i don't know sdl... just perl a little ^^
15:18 fliflaflo FROGGS: ja ^^
15:18 FROGGS fliflaflo: where exactly? perhaps we can meet and discuss sdl development a little :o)
15:18 mtj .. so now i an happy using just sdl1, atm
15:18 FROGGS also, I'm at the APW in Salzburg in October
15:19 fliflaflo FROGGS: i life near darmstadt
15:19 FROGGS eww, I live near Berlin :o)
15:20 FROGGS but in case it is easier for you we can chat later in german (privmsg)
15:20 fliflaflo did you notice my lack of skill in english? ^^
15:20 fliflaflo lol
15:21 mtj no need for private chat guys :)
15:22 fliflaflo yes would be little easier... i rarely speak/chat english
15:22 fliflaflo mtj german to?
15:22 mtj naw, from nz (new zealand)
15:22 fliflaflo k
15:23 FROGGS mtj: well, would be line noise for most people here on chat :o)
15:24 FROGGS fliflaflo: btw, consider coming to the APW if you want to get deeper into the rabbit hole :o)
15:24 FROGGS http://act.useperl.at/apw2014/
15:25 mtj awesome!! ^^
15:25 fliflaflo oh yeah, with larry wall
15:26 FROGGS and you'll see that the conference itself is very very cheap
15:28 fliflaflo thank you for the invitation, that sounds very nice though i have to think abount if i really want to get deeper into it
15:29 fliflaflo i just like perl (: and want to do as much with it as possible
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15:31 fliflaflo i don't really know if i really need SDL. i just want to learn to visualize 3D data and to interact with it somehow and thought it would be cool to take a approach over games ^^
15:33 fliflaflo mtj: for what purposes do you use ddl?
15:34 fliflaflo sdl
15:34 mtj atm... games
15:35 mtj perl/sdl hacking is just a little hobby for me, atm
15:35 mtj ..so i can inprove my perl skills
15:36 fliflaflo ok, so there isn't a website where i can see something about? : )
15:36 mtj for me? no.. not yet :/
15:36 fliflaflo ok
15:37 fliflaflo what type of games you're building?
15:38 mtj williams defender :)
15:39 fliflaflo cool : )
15:39 mtj because its a clone, there are some copyright problems - so i have not published the code :/
15:39 fliflaflo like this? http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Arcade/Snap/big/Defender_-_1980_-_Williams,_Inc..jpg
15:40 mtj yep, thats it
15:41 mtj i do plan to replace the art and sound, then i can safely publish my repo
15:41 fliflaflo ok that would be nice. is there a website which collect perl games?
15:42 mtj defender is my favourite game, of all time :)
15:43 fliflaflo : )
15:44 fliflaflo was there a version on C64 or Amiga?
15:44 mtj hmm, not offical no... but many average clones
15:44 fliflaflo ok, because that looks very familiar to me, but not on a big slot machine
15:45 fliflaflo must have played a clone then ^^
15:46 mtj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1BF-pZcUw
15:46 mtj fliflaflo:  this guy is a grand master player ^^
15:48 mtj hmm, thats a wrong link
15:48 fliflaflo looks very hard ^^
15:50 mtj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgh8pf5xzA
15:51 mtj theres a sweet one of a guy playing - with motorhead on the stereo
15:56 mtj anyhoo... im off guys
15:56 FROGGS2 o/
15:56 fliflaflo bye
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