Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-04-08

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00:02 trev_ shoot, gotta go for a bit
00:02 trev_ take care!
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00:14 mikemol Obtuse: You know there's a Visual Studio Express Edition that's free?
00:17 Obtuse yes
00:17 Obtuse but it still requires you to register after 30 days
00:18 Obtuse plus i just like python more
00:18 Obtuse he was showing me all these magic functions
00:18 Obtuse not really magic, i just prefer to do the reading myself so i can learn about it
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00:22 Obtuse and open source technologies just rock.
00:23 mikemol Huh
00:23 mikemol I assumed Visual Studio Express Edition was still free after 30 days. I remember that being the team's intent.
00:23 Obtuse it is. but you still have to register
00:23 mikemol Ah
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00:24 mikemol Python seems to be a pretty good language.
00:24 Obtuse its fun too
00:24 speed-mobile2 Hi
00:24 Obtuse heyooo
00:24 mikemol I'm a C++ guy for my day job, so I end up spending a lot of time there. Visual Studio has, unfortunately, spoiled me.
00:25 mikemol I can't find a decent debugger on Linux.
00:25 Obtuse code it right the first time.
00:25 Obtuse lol
00:25 mikemol Well, decently convenient, I should say.
00:25 Obtuse j/k
00:25 Obtuse yea, visual studio is decent. I just prefer not to use it if I don't have to
00:26 * mikemol shrugs
00:26 mikemol You don't have to use Visual Studio if all you want is Microsoft's compilers. Those can be had separately, legally, for free, too.
00:26 mikemol I don't know about any registration requirements, though.
00:26 mikemol Thinking of compiling...
00:26 * mikemol does an emerge --sync
00:27 Obtuse all i would really want from them is their gui editor
00:30 * mikemol does an update --deep --world
00:32 Obtuse ?
00:32 Obtuse what are these emergin and updates?
00:40 Seroster DAAAMN
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00:41 Seroster Inmate rapes and kills a female guard, on a maximum security facility, and... 23 hours a day solitary confinement
00:41 Seroster Would have ben more humane to put him down like a dog
00:42 mikemol Obtuse: I run Gentoo Linux at home.
00:42 Obtuse cool
00:42 Obtuse ubuntu here
00:42 Obtuse for ease of use
00:43 mikemol I think Ubuntu's on the HTPC. It's also on both laptops.
00:43 mikemol Debian on parsleyfirefly's box, my router, and both my servers.
00:43 mikemol Heh
00:43 mikemol No wonder this update's taking so long. It has to rebuild Qt.
00:44 westmi kubuntu rocks
00:47 cctoide hm... does anyone know how the CPU column in task manager (Win 7) works?
00:48 westmi anyone here attempt to fix a motherboard?
00:48 cctoide Does it calculate percent usage of a certain core, or the whole processor?
00:50 cctoide I'm trying to figure out why FF4 keeps lagging and I notice it's always using 2 to 3% CPU (which was normal with 3.6) and it spikes to 25% randomly
00:51 westmi probibly the whole core
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00:52 westmi do you have the graph going?
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00:53 westmi duh
00:53 cctoide well, it's a quad core, and it's consistently going to 25%, which makes me think it's maxing out a single core
00:53 westmi the whole processor
00:53 cctoide I don't know if that means anything though
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00:54 cctoide yeah, I set the affinity to core 1 and there were spikes to 100% on the graph every 10 seconds or so
00:54 westmi gotta love all those hidden processes
00:54 cctoide back on 4 cores it still spikes, just spread among the cores
00:55 westmi sooo glad I discovered alternates years ago
00:55 cctoide I'm more curious to find out if the performance issues are common or not
00:55 westmi alternate to windows, that is
00:56 cctoide because it might be down to some addon I installed recently trying to recover features from 3.6
00:56 westmi ah
00:57 westmi I had trouble once from the add block add on once
00:57 cctoide either that or they changed something in 4 that makes it not like having tons of tabs open at once
00:57 westmi slowed my browser to a crawl
00:59 wannabe-not_here is now known as wannabe1987
00:59 * wannabe1987 has a nerf gun for friday and saturday nights now :D
01:00 Photon939 i found a 5v regulator IC in a metal transistor can woo
01:00 westmi seems I might have heard something about too many tabs somewhere
01:01 Slurpy If I have issues with FF, about half the time Flash is at fault.
01:02 Slurpy How many addons are you running?
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01:03 wannabe1987 hey
01:03 wannabe1987 what do i type to register this nick?
01:04 Photon939 /msg nickserv register
01:04 Photon939 to get the syntax
01:04 Seroster /msg nickserv HELP REGISTER also gives you some information
01:04 Seroster I think it is something like /msg nickserv register _email_ _registration password_ but I may be wrong
01:05 wannabe1987 o ok
01:05 cctoide http://notch.tumblr.com/post/4423138657/11-11-11
01:05 wannabe1987 ** /msg nickserv register PWD EMAIL
01:05 wannabe1987 thats what you type
01:06 cctoide Notch gets annoyed with JSON, adds weather to the game instead; Minecraft "release date" set as 11/11/11
01:06 Seroster My bad, wannabe1987
01:06 wannabe1987 eh
01:06 wannabe1987 i'm asking for myself and hoedown
01:06 wannabe1987 :)
01:06 wannabe1987 and...he's not here :(
01:06 Seroster Screw him and register your own =P
01:06 wannabe1987 i know.  but he asked me how to register.
01:07 wannabe1987 and then you check your email
01:07 wannabe1987 and copy-pasta what they tell you to :)
01:07 * wannabe1987 has nerf gun for zomb :D aka win!
01:07 wannabe1987 i can't hit shit straight on for the life of me...but hey!
01:08 wannabe1987 so i'm gonna die and become a zombie.
01:08 wannabe1987 i dislike the 1987 after my nick  GAHHHHH
01:09 Seroster /nick TheWannabe might be better?
01:09 cctoide Chris could try to get some helmet cam video of someone playing Zomb
01:10 Seroster cctoide, you've got the Seroster seal of approval on that
01:10 wannabe1987 that'd be crazy
01:10 cctoide the GG Zomb videos I've seen make it look very awkward with not much going on
01:10 wannabe1987 crazy awesome!
01:10 cctoide mainly because I suppose it doesn't help your stealth when there's a camera crew with a light following you around
01:11 wannabe1987 lol true
01:11 Seroster Well, if the zomb videos give a fair view on what zomb is like it kinda sucks
01:11 wannabe1987 and its all in the dark...good luck seeing shit
01:11 Seroster IR cam
01:11 wannabe1987 ahhh
01:11 cctoide IR floodlight :D
01:11 wannabe1987 i haven't played zomb since summer...when it was outside :P
01:11 cctoide Man, actually, that would be pretty amazing
01:11 wannabe1987 IR = infrared, right?
01:11 cctoide yeah
01:12 Seroster An adequate IR camera is like $400, What was the pricetag on the CNC machine? $7.000.000?
01:12 cctoide Get some powerful IR bulbs, and have people on the human team carry around something like an old Handycam with nightshot
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01:12 wannabe the fuck?
01:12 Seroster cctoide, i'd prefer a headcam with a couple of IR diodes
01:12 Seroster I mean, there ARE hardhats at the lab.... =P
01:13 wannabe did it say why i disconnected?
01:13 cctoide 'course I don't know if this would work in practice
01:13 cctoide but it's kind of a pretend version of thermal imaging
01:13 cctoide as far as Zomb goes
01:13 Seroster Hardhat, drill, zipties (duct tape?) the camera, a 9v battery, 9 IR diodes and a resistor
01:14 cctoide I wonder if there are IR bulbs for halogen projectors
01:14 Seroster Drill holes in the hardhat, slide zipties through, zip the camera, battery and IR diodes to the hat and woot
01:14 Seroster You can buy good IR diodes for like a buck a piece
01:14 cctoide yeah, but the nightshot on handycams already has an IR light
01:15 cctoide but you can't see anything past maybe 4 meters
01:15 Seroster Rather 4 centimeters.
01:15 cctoide so the idea behind the projector would be to light up an entire room
01:15 Seroster Most nightshot is "LOOK! NIGHT VISION!!!!" and it doesnt mention taht it SUCKS.
01:16 Seroster Seen the Kipkay vid where he makes an IR torch?
01:16 cctoide don't know what you would power it off of though, if you wanted to carry it around
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01:16 Seroster Infrared light... Shouldnt a good old resistive 1000w "infrared heater" work?
01:16 wannabe is now known as wannabe1987
01:16 Seroster The ones that are just a spool of tungsten in a glass (or metal) tube?
01:17 mikemol http://thegeekgroup.org/bb/general-chat/irc-topics-today/
01:17 Seroster Swoody
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01:19 cctoide still, if there are people who want to play "support", they could carry the lamp around
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01:20 Seroster I think you need to have ONE person as player, videographer,sound guy and light all in one
01:20 Seroster not dynamic enough if you have to be three or even two dudes
01:21 wannabe1987 shouldn't you have one guy as a human, another as a zombie both with hats with lights?
01:21 Seroster Eh?
01:21 cctoide I've seen some paintball videos where they have a camera strapped to their helmet, and another one on their gun
01:21 Seroster I want to capture the actual gameplay first hand
01:21 cctoide It works pretty well
01:21 wannabe1987 like a video game!
01:21 Seroster Aye
01:21 Seroster Indeed, wannabe1987
01:21 cctoide Strap the camera on looking down the sights
01:21 Seroster Fuck yeah cctoide
01:21 wannabe1987 i know...you have one person w/ a cam as HUMAN, andother as ZOMBIE and you get both sides of the gameplay
01:21 Seroster Like.. DukeNukem3D style =P
01:22 Seroster Sure
01:22 Seroster But it might be easier to start off with ONE person =P
01:22 wannabe1987 lol
01:22 cctoide Question is still how to see anything at all
01:22 Seroster Would be awesome to put cameras on evryone, all 50 or so players, and cut it all together to a really sweet action sequense
01:23 Seroster And I probably misspelled that. So sue me.
01:23 cctoide And that's why <camera manufacturer> should be a sponsor!
01:23 Seroster Eh. Right.
01:23 wannabe1987 YES!
01:23 Seroster And that's why we should break into the Sony factory nextdoor! YAY!
01:23 cctoide (Chris gives two thumbs up to the camera)
01:24 cctoide Ah, new captain's blog. 52 seconds
01:24 wannabe1987 o?
01:24 wannabe1987 we didn't do anything today...
01:24 Seroster 47 minutes?
01:24 cctoide I'll keep you posted
01:24 cctoide Chris is driving in his car
01:24 wannabe1987 shhh
01:24 wannabe1987 i wanna watch!
01:25 cctoide (still driving)
01:25 cctoide !!!
01:27 Seroster FUCK!
01:27 Seroster ANOTHER damn letter from the army.
01:27 Seroster "EY! You should enlist!"
01:27 Seroster Forgot that I am batshit insane, and that I'm the LAST guy you want to give a weapon to?
01:27 * wannabe1987 watches captians blog
01:27 Seroster And even if I WANTED to join the army I CAN'T on legal basis
01:27 wannabe1987 no?  why not
01:28 wannabe1987 how is he driving his stick shift and video taping and steering?!
01:28 wannabe1987 lis must be there....haha
01:29 Seroster Danish mother, I was danish until age 18. So I couldnt join the swedish army for that reason. And I live in sweden and speak swedish and don't give a rat's ass about denmark, so I can't enlist there.  The fact that I became a swede the first thing I could at age 18 just makes me another immigrant, and thus not allowed in the army.
01:29 Seroster Not to mention that I don't want to join the army, and I don't want to A LOT.
01:30 wannabe1987 ahhhh
01:30 Seroster I'd piss myself in the shrink's office and sit and powerfap in the corner until I was taken to a padded cell
01:31 Seroster Where I would sit and laugh maniacally and smear my own feces all over the room and my body
01:32 wannabe1987 mikemol
01:32 wannabe1987 there was no poweroutage near baldwin?
01:33 Seroster N then I would probably amputate my leg below the knee with my fucking TEETH :@
01:33 wannabe1987 http://www.snorgtees.com/what-floats-in-water
01:33 mikemol wannabe1987: Power on Baldwin between 196 and Cottonwood, at least was out.
01:33 mikemol I don't have firsthand knowledge of Baldwin beyond Cottonwood.
01:33 wannabe1987 o ok
01:33 wannabe1987 i doubt it got to 28th and baldwin then...
01:33 mikemol I know it hit 8th and 44th.
01:34 Seroster Either that or I would do my best until they gave me a gun, then find the first high ranking officer I could find, shoot his dick off, build a campfire, cook it and EAT IT. :@
01:34 mikemol Well, second-hand.
01:34 wannabe1987 yeah...thats option
01:34 Seroster I can't stress how much I hate the army
01:34 wannabe1987 i see that
01:34 Seroster And they spam me worse than the Jehova's damn witnesses =P
01:34 wannabe1987 lol you have them too?!
01:34 mikemol Friend of mine solved his Jehova's Witnesses problem by accident.
01:35 mikemol He was carrying his M4 over his shoulder while walking around inside his home. Doorbell. Answer. Watch guy flee.
01:35 mikemol He didn't brandish; the guy just panicked and rand.
01:35 wannabe1987 lol
01:36 * mikemol did about 180 lbs of laundry today.
01:36 wannabe1987 fun!
01:36 wannabe1987 i did laundry last week
01:36 mikemol Managed to get it done in under an hour. Took off to LStL, but everybody'd gone. :-|
01:36 wannabe1987 there was no lab open today :(
01:37 wannabe1987 boden said that on facebook and his captains blog las tnight
01:37 mikemol ah
01:37 mikemol I don't have him on FB, and haven't been following the Captain's Blog.
01:37 wannabe1987 well...
01:37 mikemol Vlogs tend to frustrate me; I churn through written content much faster and quickly than video content.
01:38 wannabe1987 but then you don't get to see what we're doing! :(
01:38 wannabe1987 and you don't get to see my pretty face. LOL
01:38 Seroster wannabe1987, I don't like the army, I don't even like my country. My patriotism ends around "I'm already here and I'm too damn lazy to move"
01:38 wannabe1987 lol
01:38 wannabe1987 move to finland!
01:38 mikemol Photos are great for seeing. They're even better than written words; I can consume them quickly or examine for detail, as desired. :)
01:38 wannabe1987 well, i do take photos
01:39 wannabe1987 and i do upload daily on facebook
01:39 Seroster And even if I lived in heaven I'd hate it. "Damn clouds. too fuckin fluffy. And the harp music is annoying. And who does that bearded dude think he is, some kinda fuckin god?"
01:39 mikemol Where's the Geek Group's page?
01:39 wannabe1987 lol
01:39 wannabe1987 i dunno
01:39 wannabe1987 pics are uploaded to my facebook :P
01:39 wannabe1987 www.facebook.com/thegeekgroup
01:39 wannabe1987 its faster for me to type it out than search and copy pasta
01:39 wannabe1987 :P
01:40 Seroster If I went to heaven (and believe, me, if that shit is real I aint going there) I would make such a mess of things that everyone would move to hell for some peace and quite.
01:40 wannabe1987 no, we'll send your pasty white ass to hell.
01:40 wannabe1987 keep the fluffy shit for ourselves
01:41 Seroster But that would only make Satan come to heaven
01:41 Seroster because he is a nice dude in comparison
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01:44 Seroster And if God himself came in front of me I'd try to assrape him. Cus he's ben pretty much assraping humanity for the past couple of thousand years
01:45 wannabe1987 .
01:50 wannabe1987 yeah...
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01:52 wannabe1987 hai speedrunn
01:53 wannabe1987 er*
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02:10 wannabe1987 win:  http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110127/640/daily_picdump_601_640_high_36.jpg
02:16 Seroster Screw this! I'm off to hit the hay
02:17 Seroster Nice one, wannabe1987. I specially like the Jamie hyneman one
02:18 wannabe1987 :D
02:18 wannabe1987 have fun hitting hay :)
02:19 Seroster Heh
02:20 Seroster I have a warm woman and two furry cats, how can that be anything but?
02:20 wannabe1987 lol
02:20 wannabe1987 *blink blink*
02:21 Seroster The woman is already sleeping. so I'll just molest the cats =P
02:24 wannabe1987 :D
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02:41 wannabe1987 hi
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02:54 mikemol Holy crap...
02:54 wannabe1987 ??
02:54 mikemol http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&amp;name=521-1006-ND
02:55 mikemol LED array that consumes 15.6A.
02:55 mikemol It's 1.25" x 1.05" x 0.09"
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02:58 Sgt_Lemming_ is now known as Sgt_Lemming
02:58 parsleyfirefly is now known as dagny
02:59 dagny is now known as parsleyfirefly
02:59 parsleyfirefly is now known as dagnyscott
03:13 Photon939 lol mikemol
03:14 mikemol lol Photon939?
03:14 Photon939 led array
03:14 Photon939 I know of a white led array that draws 3.5A at 34v
03:23 speedrunnerG55 hi
03:25 wannabe1987 hows life?
03:28 * mikemol ponders the sentence 'how is life' with 'how' in the contextual set of ('who', 'what', 'where', 'when', 'why', 'how')
03:28 wannabe1987 huh?
03:28 * mikemol shrugs
03:28 wannabe1987 how is your life going?  aka whats up?
03:28 wannabe1987 ok
03:28 mikemol I know what you meant, but that's not where the inspired thought went. :)
03:29 * mikemol is happy.
03:29 wannabe1987 i'm so confused
03:29 mikemol And tired.
03:29 wannabe1987 why are you happy
03:29 mikemol And ponding Night at the Roxbury.
03:29 mikemol *pondering
03:29 wannabe1987 which is?  movie?  boook?  tvshow?
03:29 mikemol SNL skit, as I understand it.
03:29 dagnyscott yes. later movie.
03:29 dagnyscott and random net meme.
03:30 wannabe1987 ahhhh
03:30 mikemol It uses the song 'What is love'?, and I found myself wondering what happens when you replace 'what' with other members of the set ('who', 'what', 'where', when', 'why', 'how')
03:30 wannabe1987 ahhhh
03:30 wannabe1987 baby don't hurt me...don't hurt me...no more
03:31 pegasus "where is love" -- forever alone.
03:31 mikemol Each permutation of "{who|what|where|when|why|how} is love" probably has a dozen movies dedicated to exploring the question. Or at least, movies that pretend to explore the question.
03:31 wannabe1987 ahhh
03:31 mikemol Of various degrees of silliness, of course. :)
03:32 mikemol I keep thinking "where is love" would be the basis of a shallow teen pseudoromantic comedy.
03:32 pegasus ha, souja boy has thrown down the gauntlet before 4chan
03:33 cctoide ?
03:33 * mikemol watches as his computer struggles to build an hg repo out of 130GB of music.
03:34 mikemol I think I'll check to see if it's done in the morning...
03:34 wannabe1987 :O  i dont' think you have enough musics
03:34 wannabe1987 most of my music i don't listen to, so i stuck it on my external
03:34 cctoide pegasus: what happened?
03:35 pegasus cctoide: nothing that i know of yet, but it's sure to make everyone famous
03:35 mikemol I've got per-track, per-disc FLAC rips of each of my albums (of which I've got >200), and then per-trac MP3 transcodes of the tracks.
03:35 mikemol When I went to back up my music, I went prepared with five DVD-ROM drives. Had the whole thing done in under four hours.
03:36 * mikemol is tired
03:36 * mikemol is off to hit some hay himself.
03:36 wannabe1987 go to bed?
03:36 * mikemol needs to find some hay to hit. Perhaps in dreams.
03:36 wannabe1987 i'm waiting at least 25 minutes till i can write on my friends wall for her birthday
03:37 wannabe1987 i need to stop by the lab, pick up pat's tire, drop it off at his place, go clean, set up a bookcase in my moms basement, work down there, eat dinner, then ZOMB...busy day tomorrow :(
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03:49 pegasus http://i.imgur.com/O8Amx.jpg
03:50 wannabe1987 whats the colors for?
04:25 Sgt_Lemming ello all
04:25 Photon939 hi Sgt_Lemming
04:26 Sgt_Lemming lo
04:28 wannabe1987 hi
04:29 * wannabe1987 is downloading the new BBT
04:30 BatSteve-Away is now known as BatSteve
04:30 wannabe1987 hi batsteve!
04:30 BatSteve mikemol: if you're still awake, nice job with the IRC summary
04:30 BatSteve fantastic idea, props to you for thinking of it
04:30 BatSteve hi wannabe1987
04:30 BatSteve !
04:31 wannabe1987 ?
04:31 BatSteve you said hi to me
04:31 BatSteve I'm saying hi back
04:31 BatSteve (:
04:33 BatSteve and momentarily I'll be saying goodnight
04:33 BatSteve as I have to wake up again in 5.5 hours
04:33 BatSteve ugh
04:33 wannabe1987 "i switched to the new IE, its awesome!"  (my friend has issues)
04:33 wannabe1987 lol
04:33 wannabe1987 why so early?!
04:34 Sgt_Lemming nice
04:37 BatSteve because airplanes don't care if it's dark outside
04:37 BatSteve (grin)
04:37 BatSteve Have a good night all
04:37 BatSteve is now known as BatSteve-Away
04:37 wannabe1987 night
04:38 wannabe1987 you is pilot?
05:02 dr_jkl rrrrgh
05:02 Sgt_Lemming jekyl breaking out?
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05:50 dr_jkl hm.
05:50 dr_jkl nah just thinking
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10:16 masterofmonks http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-future-fuels-powered-sun.html
11:50 Sgt_Lemming believe it when they implement it on large scale
11:50 Sgt_Lemming that is always a problem with schemes like that
11:50 Sgt_Lemming works fine on the small scale
11:51 Sgt_Lemming pumping out 4 billion barrels of it a year on the other hand is another question
11:52 mikemol Ok, where are they going to get the water?
11:53 mikemol I realize that sounds like a silly question, but fresh water is far scarcer than the article would suggest.
11:54 Sgt_Lemming not to mention processes like tht require pure water, which adds to the complexity when trying to do that much
11:54 mikemol Unless that thing would operate safely on saltwater, which is plausible, but you'd have to monitor your input and output substances for impurities which _would_ pose a problem.
11:55 mikemol It might be easier to filter the gasseous side, but I'm not sure how safe.
11:55 mikemol Er. I didn't read far enough into the article.
11:55 mikemol Not sure saltwater would be useful.
11:57 Sgt_Lemming they are doing thermally aided catalytic break down of water, impurities in that would quickly concentrate and do all sorts of horrible nasty things
11:57 mikemol Isn't platinum one of the metals used in catalytic converters?
11:58 Sgt_Lemming one type of catalytic converter yes
11:58 mikemol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#Types
11:58 mikemol Which type?
11:58 Sgt_Lemming catlysing things uses different materials depending on what you are trying to catalyse
11:59 mikemol I was thinking about the ones used in cars.
11:59 Sgt_Lemming platium just so happens to be good at breaking down the exhaust products used in cars
12:00 Sgt_Lemming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalysis
12:00 mikemol Ok, so where I was going with this: Would that ceria substance be a suitable substitute there?
12:00 Sgt_Lemming no
12:01 Sgt_Lemming a catalyst has to match the type of substance you are trying to catalyse
12:01 mikemol I remember enough of my college chem classes to know the terminology and how to do some ionic and redox reactions, but that's about it.
12:02 dagnyscott I misread ionic as ironic.
12:03 mikemol Sure. My thought was that if platinum was suitable for that fuel converter, but ceria was a workable substitute, and since platinum is used in automotive catalytic converters, perhaps ceria would be a suitable substitute there, as well. However, I take it that the two applications each use different subsets of platinum's range as an applicable catalyst.
12:03 mikemol dagnyscott: Coincidentally, I can do ironic reactions as well.
12:03 Sgt_Lemming mikemol, also the temperature becomes problematic
12:03 Sgt_Lemming they are doing the reaction at 3000°
12:03 mikemol Ow.
12:04 mikemol Ok, yeah, that's kinda hard to manage.
12:04 Sgt_Lemming catalytic converters typically operate at about 800°
12:04 mikemol I was thinking that exhaust waste heat, possibly aided with an electric heat source, might help...but 3000° kicks the butt of most materials.
12:05 mikemol The electric heat source would reduce also, obviously, reduce fuel efficiency.
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12:24 mikemol BotSteve: tell BatSteve thanks, but I don't think I'll be doing those with any regularity. They take time to put together...
12:24 BotSteve mikemol: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
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13:52 mikemol http://puns.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/08/funny-puns-what-does-it-look-like/
14:40 wannabe1987 morning
14:40 mikemol Yes, it is.
14:41 wannabe1987 i said that to my housemate and he goes "its not GOOD morning" i said i didn't say a good there, i just said morning :P
14:41 wannabe1987 and no i didn't just wake up
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15:22 tyrok Who would I talk to about buying one of the laptops the computer lab outputs?
15:22 wannabe1987 www.facebook.com/zero21764 can get you to the right place...
15:23 tyrok Currently unavailable.  (I'm not on Facebook, either.)
15:23 wannabe1987 he works in the lab...ahh i'll get his email addy for you then
15:23 wannabe1987 zero21764@gmail.com.  i dunno his TGG email addy yet...
15:28 tyrok wannabe1987: Thanks!  E-mail sent.
15:29 wannabe1987 or you can message him on the forums...user name is zero21764
15:29 wannabe1987 o ok
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15:39 BatSteve howdy all
15:39 BotSteve BatSteve: At 12:24Z, mikemol asked me to tell you thanks, but I don't think I'll be doing those with any regularity. They take time to put together...
15:51 BatSteve BotSteve: tell mikemol no problem, I just thought it was really cool to have the first one up.  The more visibility we get on the forums, the more likely Tysk is to take the channel seriously (and therefore the more likely she is to change her mind about hating IRC)
15:51 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when mikemol is around.
15:53 BatSteve also goodlord why would you put 130GB of music under version control?
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16:11 mikemol BatSteve-Away: To make transfering it among computers simpler.
16:11 BotSteve mikemol: At 15:51Z, BatSteve asked me to tell you no problem, I just thought it was really cool to have the first one up.  The more visibility we get on the forums, the more likely Tysk is to take the channel seriously (and therefore the more likely she is to change her mind about hating IRC)
16:12 mikemol In this way, I can add songs on one computer or another, and push changes back and forth. :)
16:12 BatSteve-Away oh
16:12 BatSteve-Away is now known as BatSteve
16:12 BatSteve mikemol: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
16:12 mikemol I remember poking at that ages ago. Couldn't get it to work right, IIRC.
16:13 BatSteve I like it better than version control for files that really shouldn't be version-controlled
16:13 BatSteve like music, pictures, whatnot
16:15 dagnyscott I really like Dropbox, but for more than a couple gigs of stuff it costs money, because it's stored online also.
16:17 mikemol Hehe
16:18 mikemol http://pastebin.com/CM1qh7Fg
16:18 mikemol Copying from one place to another on the same LVM volume. Once using hg clone, once using cp -a.
16:19 mikemol I'm surprised the cp -a took longer.
16:19 mikemol (the volume has about 1TB free, yet)
16:19 Darksecond mikemol: that's because hg clone hardlinks
16:19 Darksecond try rsync for comparison ;)
16:20 mikemol It hardlinks? That's scary and cool at the same time.
16:20 Darksecond that's not scary
16:21 Darksecond since you know certain files don't change in hg repos, you can hardlink them
16:21 mikemol Oh, so it's only hardlinking within, e.g. ./Music, not between ./old_tbtmp/Music and ./Music in that case.
16:21 Darksecond i don't know what you mean
16:22 Darksecond if you wanna clone a whole LVM volume, just use LVM clone/snapshot, it's waaay faster
16:22 mikemol I used hg clone to copy files from one place on a volume to another place on the same volume. When you talked about hardlinking, I wasn't sure if it was between those two places.
16:22 Darksecond it hardlinks files in the .hg directory
16:23 mikemol I think we're talking past each other.
16:23 Darksecond yeah :P
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16:23 Darksecond just use rsync, it's pretty much the best copy/sync tool out there
16:23 Darksecond or snapshot directly, depending on your needs
16:23 mikemol I know and love rsync. It's not what I want for this scenario.
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16:23 Darksecond hmhm
16:24 Darksecond wb wannabe
16:24 mikemol I'm just trying to understand what you're talking about with hg clone. If the two repos (one a clone of another) exist in the same filesystem, will there be hardlinks shared between those two repos.
16:25 Darksecond yes
16:25 mikemol Ok, that's cool from the perspective of reducing space. Scary from the perspective that I may not want one of those repos to reflect changes made to the other.
16:26 Darksecond well, since you clone the repo, it's the same
16:26 Darksecond and since history can't change in mercurial, you can hardlink certain files
16:26 Darksecond git does it too
16:26 mikemol Hm.
16:27 mikemol I was certain git supported scrubbing history; I recall that was a concern for dealing with "you don't have permission to have this code" and "hey, I can still get [code you don't have permission for] by going back to an old revision!"
16:27 Darksecond i'm not sure what git allows
16:27 Darksecond i know you can cherry pick
16:27 Darksecond but i don't know if you can go back and change history, when something has already 'build' on that piece of history
16:28 BatSteve Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Git can remove history, but the problem with is is that it corrupts everybody else's history that's pulled from you.
16:28 BatSteve So you only want to do it on branches that you'll never share
16:28 Darksecond hmhm
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16:29 Darksecond yay, rammstein :)
16:31 BatSteve > When doing a local clone with a plain "hg clone" mercurial first tries to create hardlinks for files inside the .hg directory. This speeds up cloning and saves harddisk space by using the same physical file for two or more directory entries.
16:31 Darksecond uhuh
16:31 BatSteve I wonder what files specifically it hardlinks
16:31 Darksecond the history i guess?
16:31 Darksecond since that can't change in mercurial
16:32 Darksecond specific files i can't tell you
16:34 BatSteve oh
16:34 BatSteve I get it
16:34 BatSteve Yeah, you're right, it's the history
16:34 BatSteve The history starts out as hard links, but every time you use hg commit or hg pull and the history gets updated, mercurial unlinks whichever files change
16:34 Darksecond uhuh
16:35 BatSteve So mikemol, if you make changes to one, you don't have to worry about them ever being reflected in the other, because as soon as the change occurs, mercurial unlinks the file
16:35 mikemol Makes sense.
16:35 BatSteve The only files that will be hardlinked will be the ones that have never changed
16:36 BatSteve clever  (:
16:36 Darksecond i still dislike mercurial
16:36 Darksecond i always end up with a million heads D:
16:36 Darksecond git just ...works here
16:37 mikemol hehe
16:37 BatSteve It's not that I like git better than mercurial, it's that I really, really, really like GitHub.
16:37 Darksecond github <3
16:37 BatSteve luckily there's hg-git
16:37 Darksecond i like github too :)
16:37 mikemol I've never really gotten to know git. I spend enough time on Windows that, when deciding which vcs to go with, the difference in toolchain platform support was significant.
16:37 Darksecond on windows mercurial is better
16:37 Darksecond easier to install
16:39 Darksecond luckily i don't use windows, so i couldn't care less :3
16:40 BatSteve aight, enough of this foolishness, time to go generate revenue for my place of employment
16:40 Darksecond have fun
16:40 BatSteve that's the plan!
16:40 Darksecond :D
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17:49 mman454 lol who put the log url in the topic
17:50 mman454 ?
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18:15 mman454 Hey BatSteve
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18:15 BatSteve hey mman454
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18:16 Photon939 afternoon all
18:19 Photon939 just got an email in some of the worst english i've seen in a while
18:19 Photon939 ""We have a copy of feedback for making post,I do the same to you  hoping for us. In additional to sign your feedback, hoping we catch us  FIVE STARS on all picture of the Detail Ratings. If you are guilty of  FIVE we fell like without fish, please email us first and we catch you.  But during the hero. We appreviate your soul and hoping to catch bussines man do account."
18:19 mman454 LMFAO
18:19 mman454 Where did that come from
18:20 Photon939 ebay email
18:20 BatSteve wow
18:20 BatSteve awesome
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18:21 mman454 Was it from a legit ebay message?
18:21 Photon939 it was a message that a seller sent me
18:21 Photon939 after i bought something
18:21 BatSteve BotSteve: tell shortcircuit that I can now search TVTropes.  Just use the .trope command!
18:21 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when shortcircuit is around.
18:22 mman454 .trope
18:22 BotSteve mman454: Sorry, you need to enter a trope
18:22 mikemol BatSteve: I'm generally around...
18:22 mman454 Wtf is a TVTrope?
18:22 BatSteve mikemol: wait...are you also shortcircuit?
18:22 mikemol .trope tvtropes will ruin your life
18:22 BotSteve mikemol: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife
18:22 * mikemol nods
18:22 BatSteve hm
18:22 BatSteve I don't have all my aliases straight
18:22 BatSteve oopes
18:22 BatSteve oh well
18:22 BatSteve mikemol: same statement
18:22 BatSteve (:
18:23 mikemol mman454: What's your favorite TV show?
18:24 mman454 NCIS
18:24 mikemol .trope NCIS
18:24 BotSteve mikemol: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NCIS
18:24 wannabe NCIS rocks!
18:24 wannabe i made an NCIS referance at the studio on saturday and someong GOT IT!
18:25 wannabe someone*
18:25 mman454 someong is correct if you're a redneck
18:25 mman454 ;)
18:25 wannabe im not
18:25 wannabe i'm from the suburbs!
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18:26 wannabe hey look!  jelly beans!
18:27 BatSteve you killed mman454
18:27 BatSteve ...or else his connection is just really wonky
18:28 mikemol BatSteve: I hit him with a TVTropes attack. :)
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18:28 Topic for #thegeekgroup is now http://www.khanacademy.org/ | http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today | BotSteve now searches TVTropes.  Try it out using .trope
18:30 wannabe i didn't mean too :'(
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18:41 BatSteve-Away is now known as BatSteve
18:41 BatSteve I'm back
18:41 BatSteve can someone send me a PM on the forums?
18:41 wannabe (didn't miss anything)
18:41 BatSteve content doesn't matter, I'm just interested in how PM notifications are handled
18:41 wannabe ok
18:41 wannabe hold on
18:41 wannabe my mouse has to work first
18:41 wannabe :P
18:42 wannabe is your forum name the same?!
18:42 wannabe nvm found you
18:44 InteliWasp got a stupid question to ask, who makes a better laptop toshiba or lenovo?
18:44 wannabe define better
18:44 wannabe batsteve - sent
18:44 * wannabe is evil
18:44 BatSteve thank you
18:45 InteliWasp i am doen to 2 new laptops and i can't chose
18:45 InteliWasp down*
18:46 BatSteve InteliWasp: I agree with wannabe, you need to give more info on what you're looking for
18:48 wannabe i mean, i use a toshiba, have for the last two computers, they are better than my dell.  but there are specs with each computer, memory, ram, gigs, other stuff i have NO clue about (sound/video cards, etc) that we (read: they) need info on to help yoU :)
18:49 InteliWasp let me post the links
18:49 InteliWasp http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Satellite+Laptop+/+AMD+Turion%26%23153%3B+II+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Helios+Black/1446192.p?id=1218259763872&amp;skuId=1446192
18:49 InteliWasp http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+IdeaPad+Laptop+/+AMD+Phenom%26%23153%3B+II+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+3GB+Memory+/+320GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/2171094.p?id=1218312457552&amp;skuId=2171094
18:51 BatSteve I also have a toshiba that I have not had any problems with
18:53 BatSteve Either one will serve you well, I think.  If I had to pick on name recognition alone, I'd say toshiba.
18:53 BatSteve However, the Lenovo has a slightly better CPU and a very slightly better graphics card.
18:53 BatSteve (like, fractionally better)
18:54 BatSteve and I'm gone again.
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18:55 wannabe are they in the same price range?  i haven't checked the links
18:56 wannabe cuz i'm back and forth from computer to cleaning to computer to cleaning :P
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18:57 BotSteve Oh balls, it's him again...
18:57 Seroster =)
18:58 wannabe o not you
18:58 wannabe ...
18:58 Seroster Lol
18:58 wannabe and you know...the song "fuck you" just started playing when you walked in the room :P
18:58 Seroster Lol
18:58 Seroster That's cute
18:59 wannabe aww thanks! :P
18:59 Seroster When I joined my playlist switched to Nirvana - Rape Me.
18:59 wannabe awkward!
19:01 wannabe (doctor who, season one, done downloading)
19:11 mikemol http://qdb.us/305973
19:12 Seroster NIP TIT SCHABAT!
19:19 wannabe omg on hold w/ the IRS
19:20 wannabe :(
19:22 wannabe wasn't that bad...i figured if the gov't is shutting down, i want my money NOW
19:22 wannabe :D
19:25 Seroster O?
19:26 wannabe what?
19:26 wannabe the fed gov't might be shutting down
19:26 wannabe they cannot agree on anything
19:26 wannabe grrrrr
19:26 wannabe i hope it don't delay my food money...:S
19:26 Seroster o
19:26 wannabe america sucks
19:27 Seroster Heh, Uncle sam is watching, dear!
19:27 wannabe ooo
19:27 wannabe i forget you guys publicly file this stuff...oops
19:27 wannabe anyway
19:27 wannabe our gov't sucks and cannot agree on shit so we're gonna shut down
19:31 wannabe ewwwww  http://jalopnik.com/#!5790239
19:31 wannabe makes my skin crawl..ucky
19:40 Seroster JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!   10^21 W/cm^2!  That's the specs on the Vulcan laser =P
19:41 wannabe *blink blink*
19:42 Seroster That is 10.000.000.000..000.000.000..000.000 Watts per square centimeter.
19:42 wannabe aka very fucking bright?
19:42 Seroster Not bright, powerful.
19:43 Seroster It is 10000000000000000000000000 watts god damn it! A regular incadecant lighbulb is 60 watts
19:43 Seroster A thousand watt (1000) light will burn your hands from the distance of a foot
19:44 Seroster And then you only need 18 more zeros after that thousand... =P
19:46 wannabe ok
19:46 wannabe i don't know wats.
19:46 wannabe sorry
19:46 wannabe i don't know watson either
19:47 Seroster Watts... Heh. even americans use watts.
19:47 wannabe so?  they don't make sense to me...
19:49 Seroster Heh
19:49 Seroster Volts*Amps=Watts
19:49 Seroster Watts is the powe the thing draws.
19:50 Seroster A lightbulb draws 60 watts. your kitchen stove uses something like 8000 watts, a soldering iron 30watts and your curling iron something like 150
19:50 wannabe what curling iron?
19:50 Seroster You might be a natural =P
19:51 Seroster In essence, More watts = More umph
19:51 wannabe nah, i don't give a shit about my hair, half the time...its shoulder lenght and i keep it in a pony tail :)
19:51 Seroster Heh
19:52 Seroster I have about half the way down my back, and I prefer a pony tail since it is fast and keeps it out of the way
19:52 wannabe mine used to be mid-back, but i don'ated iet!
19:53 Seroster Swoody
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20:03 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eeL4NUyTi4&amp;feature=relmfu  Craaaap
20:09 wannabe yay british people!
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20:14 tesla4d So, Paul's on a crazy crusade on Facebook.
20:14 tesla4d We've made up since last night, by the way. Agreed to not get so worked up about silly arguments.
20:16 tesla4d But his aunt, a soldier's wife, posted a picture of a soldier holding a sign saying "For sale: my life. Price: Free, OBO"
20:16 tesla4d And this is supposed to be in protest of the government "shutting down"
20:16 Seroster Eh
20:16 Seroster Tesla, don't even go there
20:17 tesla4d Why not? I'm curious what people here think. Because, believe it or not, I respect your opinions.
20:17 Seroster Ah
20:17 Seroster What I meant is if you disagreed with his crusade... Just let it slip, live and let live
20:20 tesla4d Well, His aunt's position is "Doesn't this just break your heart?". Paul's position is "You know, if soldiers are in the business of killing people *because of the money*, they're in it for the wrong reason", and my position is "I'd be much more worried about the pay of police officers, fire fighters, and teachers before I'm going to shed a tear over the soldiers."
20:21 tesla4d But I'm not really sure we have the whole story.
20:21 Seroster eh
20:21 wannabe i dunno about our gov't...i'm not sure if everything shutting down will cause anything to get done...i mean, people need their social services - federally funded mental health, food stamps, disability, whatever you have it...they need their money.  but if it shuts down, how's that gonna solve disagreements in congress?  its not, its just gonna piss a shit-ton of people off
20:22 Seroster Agreed
20:22 Seroster You need more communism, mate^^
20:22 wannabe tell congress
20:22 Seroster Sure, you got their number?
20:22 wannabe 1-800-we're-stupid?
20:23 wannabe (no disrespect towards the american gov't meant)
20:23 Seroster I don't know how to make a ' on the phone =P
20:23 wannabe .
20:23 wannabe me neither
20:23 Seroster Afraid to disrespect the gouverment? That shit floats in libya, not in the US
20:26 tesla4d Oooh, my law-student roommate just got home. I bet I can get the bigger picture from him.
20:26 wannabe -nods-
20:26 Seroster Get a bigger picture from a lawyer? GOOD LUCK! =D
20:26 wannabe haha
20:28 tesla4d Well, to be fair, he's still a law *student* hasn't passed his professional asshole exam yet.
20:28 wannabe ahhhh
20:29 Seroster Professional asshole exam?.... You live with like a dozen men and you are examining assholes. What is that, some kinda fudgepacking kollective?
20:29 wannabe you live with men too?
20:29 Seroster ...Wich sounds awesome!
20:29 wannabe i live with boys...they're not men yet :P
20:29 Seroster Lol
20:30 Seroster I doubt tesla4d lives with boys. He aint a catholic youknow
20:31 wannabe and i am?  i'm a girl living with 4 boys
20:31 Seroster But you're not a catholic priest...
20:32 * wannabe i'm so confused
20:32 cctoide school shooting in Rio de Janeiro
20:32 wannabe :O :(
20:32 Seroster Yup
20:32 cctoide I wonder if it was an actual school shooting or if they were shooting and the school happened to be in the way
20:32 Seroster Strange that there are so few shootings
20:32 wannabe brb reboot
20:32 wannabe :(
20:33 Seroster cctoide, he went into the school where he was a student a couple of years earlier, walked into a classroom and shot a crapload of kids with a revolver.
20:33 Seroster I don't think it was an accident
20:33 cctoide Yeah, reading now
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20:35 wannabe there
20:36 Seroster damn
20:36 Seroster brb
20:38 tesla4d So, my roommate pointed out a problem I didn't notice.
20:38 tesla4d All of the soldiers are making political statements while in uniform.
20:39 tesla4d Technically, they could be court martialed (or however it's spelled)
20:42 Seroster O
20:42 Seroster That sucks
20:42 Seroster I had a hair stuck in my throat -.-
20:42 Seroster And it wasnt a pube.
20:42 wannabe lol
20:42 wannabe fun
20:43 wannabe and...off to the'rents house...bbl
20:43 Seroster It tastes like vomit.
20:44 tesla4d Oh, my god...
20:44 tesla4d I think I'm done with this debate.
20:45 Seroster Why? =P
20:46 mikemol tesla4d: Soldiers are allowed to make political statements. They're not allowed to criticize their CIC. And they obviously risk reprisal from soldiers who disagree with their political statements.
20:46 mikemol So, they're allowed to make political statements, but the smart ones don't. :)
20:46 tesla4d I was kind of on the fence, had sympathy for the military types... but then Paul mentioned that the department his dad works for (as a national park ranger) has been understaffed by 50% FOR THREE YEARS.
20:47 tesla4d So, to all the soldiers complaining about their pay: CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER.
20:47 mikemol My brother's in the navy. I don't hear any budget gripes from him. I've got a few relatives sprinkled across the Army National Guard, Army and Marines.
20:47 mikemol I haven't heard _any_ of them complain.
20:47 tesla4d Cool.
20:48 tesla4d That makes me feel better.
20:48 Seroster WTF! A murder case that almost went unsolved because the autopsy technician didnt line up the photos of the bruises at a right angle to the skin -.-
20:48 tesla4d I was worried that it was a big thing.
20:48 Seroster Why the fuck do you let an intern take the autopsy documentary pictures? -.-
20:48 tesla4d That is, common sentiment in the armed forces.
20:48 mikemol tesla4d: Always remember that the things you hear about are almost invariably the outliers.
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20:49 tesla4d I'm still going to advocate reducing the defense budget and increasing the education budget.
20:51 * mikemol needs to bow out of this discussion before he lands himself in a Keynes vs Hayek debate. Hayek is _not_ going to be a fun one around here. >.>
20:51 Seroster I absolutely advocate less cash to killers and more cash for stuff that actually improves lives.
20:52 mikemol A absolutely advocate less cash funneled through government spending.
20:52 mikemol s/A/I/
20:53 tesla4d What REALLY boils my blood is that, according to ABC news, the one thing they're down to now is Planned Parenthood.
20:53 mikemol Heh
20:53 mikemol Is that what they're at loggerheads over now?
20:53 Seroster If you complain about immigrants you can't complain about planned parenthood
20:54 tesla4d Republicans ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT vote for a budget that funds them, and the Democrats ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT vote for a budget that doesn't fund them.
20:54 * mikemol sighs
20:54 tesla4d Nice priorities there, guys.
20:54 mikemol I'm a pro-immigration conservative. I realize that almost sounds like a non-sequiter.
20:54 tesla4d Not really.
20:55 mikemol I should note I'm an an economic conservative, not a social conservative. That puts me somewhere in the vicinity of libertarianism.
20:55 tesla4d It just sounds like we need to stop applying "conservative" and "liberal" as labels-that-describe-somebody's-position-on-everything
20:55 Seroster lol
20:55 mikemol tesla4d: Aboslutely.
20:55 Seroster You need more than two partys
20:56 mikemol Actually, I think a two-party system would be bad in the US.
20:56 Seroster Even 4 would be a huge improvement
20:56 mikemol Multi-party systems tend to compromise and pass legislation far more readily than I'm comfortable with.
20:56 Seroster eh
20:57 Seroster When you have 40% publicans and 42% democrats.. That's when you get the real compromises
20:57 mikemol A fun video, if you haven't seen it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
20:58 tesla4d It's a moot point. It's not going to happen.
20:58 tesla4d Mike wants to point out that this is the third time the government has shut down in the past 50 years.
20:58 mikemol I do?
20:59 tesla4d Every single time, it's been when the house was Republican and the President was Democratic.
20:59 tesla4d My roommate Mike.
20:59 mikemol Ah
20:59 mikemol There's too many of us. :-|
20:59 tesla4d The law student.
20:59 mikemol Check out the video. :)
20:59 tesla4d Yes. Micheal is a horribly common name. No offense.
21:00 * mikemol heartily agrees.
21:00 Seroster The liar you mean, tesla4d? =P
21:00 Seroster Mikemol, from now on you are "bob". Aiight?
21:01 tesla4d >.> Mike's not a liar.
21:01 mikemol Seroster: "short" works much better.
21:01 Seroster But he studies law. So he is a liar =P
21:01 * mikemol checks for the things he has IRC highlights for.
21:01 tesla4d mikemol, "Symes"?
21:02 mikemol Let's see. I've got highlight rules for: shortcircuit, chrestobot, rosettacode, rosettacode.org, shortnutz, risottocode, mikemol and mmol.
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21:03 wannabe lolhai
21:03 Seroster mmol it is
21:03 tesla4d "The Mole"
21:04 mikemol "Mole" works. I'm used to responding to that. :)
21:04 wannabe MOLE
21:04 mikemol My last name is pronounced as mall or maul, but people often mispronounce it 'mole'
21:05 tesla4d "Mol" is actually your last name?
21:05 mikemol And "Michael" is my first.
21:05 tesla4d I thought you always just truncated it to three letters.
21:05 mikemol Heh. Nope. :)
21:05 tesla4d Huh.
21:06 tesla4d I'm kind of jealous. I've always wanted a shorter name.
21:06 wannabe lol
21:06 mikemol Not many scenarios I'd have to truncate an identifier to 8 characters, much less 7. I'd probably go for 8 characters if I had to truncate my last name.
21:06 wannabe SAME
21:07 * mikemol got his replacement Nook in the mail today.
21:07 mikemol Gonna go read a book. :)
21:07 wannabe replacement?!
21:07 wannabe what'd you do to #1?
21:08 mikemol Dropped it. Busted the eInk display.
21:08 mikemol I'd had it in the protective cover not five minutes earlier, but took it out so I could get at the microSD card.
21:08 wannabe lol :(
21:09 wannabe speaking of shorter names...i have a dutch last name that starts with v...
21:09 mikemol wannabe: "van" or "van der" or "vander". No surprise there.
21:09 wannabe vander**** :D
21:09 mikemol Four characters?
21:09 wannabe ya know, if ya'd friend me on fb, you'd know :P
21:09 wannabe yeah...
21:10 Seroster vanderfelt
21:10 mikemol What was your FB page again?
21:10 wannabe lol but no, i know some of them :P
21:12 wannabe i went to hs w/ some vanderjagts
21:12 wannabe :P
21:12 mikemol Which HS?
21:12 wannabe FOUND it
21:13 mikemol Hm.
21:13 mikemol You might have gone to hs with some of my cousins.
21:13 mikemol Brandy, Troy or Josh sound familiar?
21:13 wannabe no
21:13 wannabe tom brenda
21:13 wannabe and pamela
21:13 * mikemol just noticed the class. Off by about a decade.
21:20 wannabe lol yes i'm young :D
21:20 Seroster Whaaat theee fuuuck!?   "A 4 year old boy has ben sexually assaulted by three 6 year old boys."
21:20 Seroster WTF
21:20 Seroster That's a guinnes record for youngest fudgepacking
21:20 Seroster Or, I guess younger have ben raped, but I think it is youngest fudgepackee
21:21 wannabe mike - how do you know greg kwaitkowski and andrew peterson?
21:30 masterofmonks http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
21:32 Seroster I had a 5 gallon bucket that was full of copper (120%, overflowing)   Spent a little time with a pair of wire cutters and poof, it's only about 1/5 full now
21:32 wannabe lol
21:32 Seroster The space occupied by my copper is relevant
21:39 wannabe twss?
21:40 Seroster eh?
21:50 Obtuse heyoo
21:50 mikemol wannabe: Heh. Actually, I was going to ask you the same question.
21:50 mikemol wannabe: My brother and I went to high school with Greg.
21:51 mikemol Andrew worked as a student tutor at GRCC's ATC Open Computer Lab for a few of the same years as I did.
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22:02 wannabe mikemol: greg is one of my dance partners, as is andrew...they both frequent GROSS (grand rapids original swing society) on tuesday nights in GR
22:03 Obtuse so do you know Mike Bray?
22:03 wannabe no?
22:03 Obtuse ah. he's also one of those swing people
22:03 wannabe i might know the face...not the name tho
22:06 Photon939 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181169/CIMG2425.jpg
22:06 wannabe pretty?
22:07 Obtuse N Packages!
22:07 Obtuse all thru hole
22:07 Obtuse beautiful
22:08 Obtuse lol "Intel 83"
22:08 Obtuse this is one old board
22:08 Photon939 yup lol
22:11 mikemol wannabe: I don't know if you found out yet, but Andrew's a closet Linux geek. He was using Red Hat before Fedora existed.
22:11 mikemol I remember him rumming Red Hat 9 on his tiny little laptop.
22:11 wannabe lol
22:11 wannabe netbook?
22:11 mikemol We didn't call them netbooks yet.
22:11 Photon939 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181169/CIMG2389.jpg
22:11 wannabe o ok
22:12 mikemol He also had gotten his hands on a Sony Vaio, of which I was jealous.
22:12 Photon939 program code is stored on a cartridge lol
22:12 wannabe well, of course?
22:12 pegasus http://imgur.com/9fT8u -- Diseased corpse left rotting in public, no one will remove it. Thousands becoming sick.
22:16 Seroster eh?
22:16 wannabe digg
22:18 pegasus not enough actual digg users to bury a "story" which is in fact malware
22:18 pegasus digg is dead.
22:18 wannabe i've never digg'd
22:19 pegasus welcome to the general public
22:20 wannabe and...i don't want to!
22:20 wannabe nor have i reddit'd
22:20 Seroster And I have never tweeted
22:20 Seroster Thou I have (remorsefully) facebookd.
22:20 wannabe i twet
22:20 wannabe tweet!
22:20 wannabe i'll be tweeting zomb tonight, probably
22:21 pegasus i have no facebook. i have just signed up for twitter about two weeks ago. and i lurk reddit.
22:25 Obtuse not sure bout this whole zomb thing
22:25 Obtuse as i am a fat out of shape fuck
22:25 Obtuse but i'll give it a try
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22:25 Seroster Obtuse, Gen badass zombs.
22:25 Seroster And if you are fat and out of shape... The bigger reason to zomb, right?
22:28 Seroster http://i.imgur.com/1FGyS.png
22:32 Obtuse i'm out
22:32 Obtuse too the geek group i go
22:32 Seroster cya
22:40 cctoide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA5c4-GFpUM
22:40 cctoide later
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22:46 wannabe TIME TO ZOMB!!!!!
22:46 * wannabe is away, shooting zombies
22:47 wannabe is now known as wannabe-zomb
22:49 Seroster lol
22:52 masterofmonks Ok, does anyone see why this should cost Nearly $88? http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=1045
22:53 Seroster Because the machine that makes it costs $150m?
22:53 Seroster And it is badass
22:54 masterofmonks The most expsnsive part is this. http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1061
22:55 Seroster Might be an unusual chip that is hard to mass produce? I dunno
22:55 Seroster Oooo. I have here a rather large DC motor (24v)   I wonder how long it would run underwater.... =)
22:55 masterofmonks You could replicate the function with a MSP-430 which costs $4.30
22:55 Seroster Then do that
22:55 masterofmonks I'm thinking about it.
22:56 Seroster And sell a gadget that does the exact same thing for $60
22:56 masterofmonks $50
22:56 Seroster - You can put down the $25 that wasnt parts for yourself
22:56 mikemol masterofmonks: The tricky part for that device is going to be the temperature calculations.
22:57 mikemol If I read that page correctly, it's giving you temperature numbers, not signal numbers.
22:57 mikemol You still need to adjust for emissivity and ambience.
22:58 masterofmonks This is the function. http://blog.didierstevens.com/2011/04/06/lockifnothot/
22:58 Seroster it senses pets and humans too
22:59 Seroster That is ONE function
23:00 masterofmonks That is the desired function.
23:00 Seroster An IR sensor for 0-50c that only detects the precense of a human being wouldnt cost much...
23:01 Seroster Maybe for you, yes, but not for all
23:01 masterofmonks What I am saying is, that device is way overpriced for the simple function it is preforming.
23:02 masterofmonks performing*
23:02 Seroster The reason to get this and not just an IR thermometer hooked to a computer is that this does a lot more, Alarms for overtemp, 0,02c resolution, precise, 32ms update...
23:02 Seroster The device is overpriced for the simple function, yes. But it is just slightly overpriced for the function it COULD preform.
23:03 Seroster Just as a f1 car would be overpriced to a nice old lady that drove to church on sundays in it, but not to a professional F1 driver.
23:03 tesla4d What old ladies do you hang around?
23:04 Seroster Swedish ladeehs^^
23:04 Seroster And a F1 car will survive a moose impact better than a street car =D
23:06 Seroster Either that or German ladies, they are all "EY! Gesundtheit! Autobahn! Wonderbaum! Baumwolle!" and take their F1 racecars to drive on the autobahn at 500kph to their church in the otehr part of the country^^
23:15 masterofmonks Seroster: according to the MSP-430 channel, the functionality of that device can be replicated with a MSP-430
23:16 Seroster Swoody.
23:16 Seroster Can anyone find me a crash test video that also got the aftermath? Sure, seeing luxury cars drive into concrete is fun, but I want some of the RESULTS..
23:27 Seroster Ooooo! Mythbusters without any of that boring science!
23:28 Darksecond heya all :-)
23:28 Seroster Ahoy Darksecond
23:28 * Darksecond waves
23:29 Darksecond watching more fringe (tv series)
23:29 Darksecond damn addicting x.x
23:29 Seroster lol
23:29 Seroster Story?
23:29 masterofmonks Darksecond: A strawberry milkshake.
23:29 Darksecond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_%28TV_series%29
23:29 Darksecond masterofmonks: excuse me?
23:29 masterofmonks How much Fringe have you watched?
23:30 Darksecond masterofmonks: the first 12 episodes now
23:30 masterofmonks You will understand.
23:30 Darksecond hehe
23:30 Darksecond walter is awesome =)
23:30 masterofmonks Also "Feel this man's rectum, it's soaking wet."
23:30 Darksecond :P
23:30 Darksecond 'let's make some LSD' ;)
23:31 Seroster "The show has been described as a hybrid of The X-Files, Altered States, The Twilight Zone and Dark Angel.[1][2]"  That sounds fucking awful
23:31 Darksecond it's awesome :)
23:31 Darksecond at least, i think so
23:31 masterofmonks No, you are right, it's awesome.
23:32 Darksecond =)
23:33 Darksecond so no sleep for me yet :P
23:33 Darksecond quite interesting too: http://www.cleveralgorithms.com/nature-inspired/index.html
23:33 Seroster When it sounds awful it is most certanly awesome
23:34 Darksecond i like the x-files :P
23:34 Seroster What is the algorithm on the cover of it?
23:34 Darksecond no clue
23:34 Darksecond it's a collection of nature inspired algorithms :)
23:34 Darksecond very interesting
23:34 Seroster I remember reading a huuuge article about it
23:34 masterofmonks Well Firefly sounded awful to me. "A space western, who is going to step in a cowpie in space?"
23:34 Darksecond :p
23:34 Seroster ...That particular algorithm thatis, i think a part of it was something like 1.6 somethingsomethingsomething
23:35 masterofmonks 1,1,2,3,5,8,13...
23:35 Darksecond fibonnachi
23:36 masterofmonks Ja.
23:37 Darksecond ^^
23:39 Seroster http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Pentagram_and_human_body_%28Agrippa%29.jpg/220px-Pentagram_and_human_body_%28Agrippa%29.jpg   Waitwhat. So the symbol for "man" is the head, and the symbol for "woman" is his right hand.  And since the right hand is used for pleasuring yourself the sole purpose of the woman is pleasure for the man. Yay!
23:45 mikemol Seroster: That's quite a dexterous perspective.

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