Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-06-13

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00:00 speedrunnerG55 Red isnt here
00:00 BatSteve drat
00:00 wannabe1987 red WAS here
00:00 BatSteve oh ok
00:00 BatSteve hi wannabe1987
00:00 BatSteve that was a netsplit
00:00 BatSteve nothing I can do about those
00:01 wannabe1987 whats it mean
00:01 speedrunnerG55 It was ipv6
00:01 speedrunnerG55 Lol
00:01 BatSteve wannabe1987: freenode is not like that other IRC server that you're on - freenode is actually a linked network of IRC servers.
00:01 wannabe1987 yeah
00:01 Thermoelectric Netsplits mean that two servers have a brief moment of hating eachother and decide they don't want to talk anymore.
00:02 BatSteve sometimes one of those servers desynchronizes
00:02 wannabe1987 thats why i was confused when everyone left
00:02 wannabe1987 so then why did all but 5 leave?
00:03 wannabe1987 you and me stayed and a few others
00:03 Thermoelectric A majority of the users in this channel were on the other side of the split.
00:03 BatSteve because the 5 of us were on the server that got desynched
00:03 SparkyProjects page 256 is the only place i can see 'flashing'
00:03 wannabe1987 o
00:03 SparkyProjects but that's led's
00:03 Cprossu wait a minute
00:04 Cprossu no nm
00:04 Cprossu so MCP net has a tranciever on it, that goes to a switch and attached to mcp net on the frame right?
00:04 Cprossu ^ from the button board
00:04 Cprossu then what is the DCE and controlling PC attached to?
00:05 speedrunnerG55 Hi wannabe
00:05 wannabe1987 .
00:05 speedrunnerG55 ..
00:05 BatSteve ...
00:05 Toastdude Hi wannabe
00:05 speedrunnerG55 ....
00:05 Toastdude Hi BatSteve
00:05 BatSteve hey toast
00:06 speedrunnerG55 Hi toast and BatSteve
00:06 Cprossu tggmc1: it goes AUI button board->Tranceiver->Lan Switch<-Tranceiver-AUI frame right?
00:06 speedrunnerG55 •••••
00:06 Cprossu then what are the DCE and Controlling PC connected to?
00:06 tggmc1 yes
00:07 Cprossu and by this I mean on the MCP net
00:07 tggmc1 the same router, both of those have static IPs on a different subnet
00:07 ChrisBoden They're all connected to the same switch, which is seperate from the main LAN, it's it's own little ethernet.
00:07 wannabe1987 hi guys, i can't really talk now
00:07 Cprossu ok. so hrmmm
00:08 Cprossu because Facility Lan
00:08 Cprossu should be hooked to the DCE and the controlling comp
00:08 Cprossu and the button board should be on the MCP net
00:08 Seroster YAY
00:08 Cprossu so there should be 2 tranceivers coming off the frame
00:08 Seroster I found another entry to my collection of rare, odd and unusual power plugs! =D
00:08 ChrisBoden why does it need to be on the facility lan at all?
00:09 Cprossu it is in every config I see
00:09 ChrisBoden I want to know why, I'd rather this thing never see a live internet.
00:09 Cprossu oh no
00:09 Cprossu not that
00:09 Cprossu it's just LABELED that
00:09 Cprossu it can be completely private
00:09 ChrisBoden well if it's on a facility lan, it's gonna see the net.
00:09 Cprossu it just has to be seperate
00:09 Cprossu because it's 2 interfaces coming off of the processor frame
00:10 ChrisBoden that means digging out yet ANOTHER switch, which is madness...this thing shouldn't need TWO private ethernets for fuck sake.
00:10 Cprossu well that's what the install docs say to do
00:10 ChrisBoden grrrrrrrrrrr
00:10 Seroster Eh
00:10 Cprossu hey it's worth a shot right?
00:11 Seroster Judging by Chris latest comment I'd say that
00:11 Seroster 's a no
00:11 ChrisBoden no, we'll try it
00:11 ChrisBoden though I can't see what it would have to do with Video.
00:11 Cprossu just that things built for this type of work live in their own little world
00:11 Cprossu do I hear a frozen computer?
00:12 Cprossu I'm just happy I don't have to remote figure out how to make the saturn work
00:13 Cprossu ok I am looking at the planning instructions for fun right now
00:14 Cprossu http://www.grassvalley.com/docs/Planning_Guides/M-2100/TP355000.pdf for those who want to follow along
00:15 SparkyProjects A hot cut (also called hot punching) is a method used to select a source
00:15 SparkyProjects directly on the Program bus. A hot cut always initiates a Take transition. If
00:15 SparkyProjects the selected video source is not present, the LOS (Loss Of Signal) Matte is
00:15 SparkyProjects placed on-air. When LOS Matte is active, a continuous high/low tally
00:15 SparkyProjects flashing occurs on the active Pgm button.
00:16 SparkyProjects http://www.grassvalley.com/docs/Manuals/mcontrol/m2100/071-0109-07.pdf page 45
00:16 Cprossu tggmc1 ^ answer
00:16 speedrunnerG55 How large is that
00:16 * speedrunnerG55 still loqding
00:17 Cprossu wow so the device control engine is simply to control VTR's and such
00:17 SparkyProjects 2.4 mb i think
00:17 Seroster BatSteve?
00:17 speedrunnerG55 There is just 12 pages
00:17 speedrunnerG55 For me
00:17 speedrunnerG55 :5
00:17 speedrunnerG55 :(*
00:18 Cprossu no it's 182 pages, speedrunnerG55 (the link SparkyProjects posted)
00:18 Seroster Ey BatSteve?
00:19 Cprossu when in doubt, plug the signal into another port,
00:19 tggmc1 it's SDI
00:19 Cprossu if that doesn't work change cables
00:20 SparkyProjects The link i posted was the USER manual, not the install manual
00:20 Seroster Cprossu, when in doubt reboot?
00:20 Cprossu ooooh crap
00:20 speedrunnerG55 Friggin HUGE
00:20 Cprossu so the video is in SDI?
00:20 speedrunnerG55 still loading
00:20 Cprossu what the fuck do we do now?
00:21 tggmc1 get sdi gear
00:21 SparkyProjects Take the lamp out to stop it flashing :D
00:21 tggmc1 donated
00:21 Cprossu a chance we got converters anywhere?
00:21 tggmc1 not that I know of
00:22 Cprossu doesn't the blackmagic input SDI?
00:22 tggmc1 probably, but we don't have sdi sources for it
00:22 Cprossu that gvg has a built in tone gen
00:22 Cprossu that will do for testing
00:23 tggmc1 all of AV I/O is digtal
00:24 Cprossu so no analog input?
00:25 tggmc1 no analog IO
00:25 tggmc1 other than the external referance
00:25 BatSteve Seroster: yo
00:25 BatSteve what's up?
00:25 Seroster ARRR
00:25 speedrunnerG55 Hi Seroster
00:25 speedrunnerG55 you are a pirate
00:25 Seroster Hi speed
00:26 Cprossu hey ChrisBoden you monitoring?
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00:26 speedrunnerG55 High speed B)
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00:28 Cprossu tggmc1: got any miniDV decks?
00:28 Cprossu we might get away with something if you do
00:34 Cprossu ^ hey
00:35 Cprossu do you have any minidv decks?
00:36 Cprossu tggmc1: do we have the saturn network suite software?
00:36 speedrunnerG55 I miss that weather baloon probe project
00:37 BatSteve Yeah, what happened to that?
00:37 BatSteve We were going to launch that this summer, weren't we?
00:38 Cprossu hey tggmc1: do we have any minidv decks?
00:43 Cprossu it's because he turned the monitor off
00:44 Seroster Add to list of RASsyndrome... MRI scanner
00:44 Cprossu damn
00:44 Cprossu well we could use them to output SDI from analog
00:46 Cprossu and the blackmagic intensity card can input SDI, so you are actually closer to SDI than you think
00:47 Cprossu uh oh constant reboot
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00:49 Cprossu 10b2.....
00:49 Cprossu and we DONT HAVE THE SOFTWARE TO MAKE IT WORK DO WE?!
00:49 Cprossu =(
00:50 speed-pc hi wannabe
00:51 BatSteve speed-pc: why would you say hi to her?  She hasn't talked in an hour
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00:51 speed-pc oh
00:51 * speed-pc takes that back
00:51 BatSteve (:
00:55 SparkyProjects Will it blend .. Cory's Mac.
00:55 speed-pc :D
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00:55 speed-pc will it melt, poor galium on it
00:56 Cprossu it's what we expected
00:56 SparkyProjects I'm sure the geeks at LSL can make one :P
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00:56 Cprossu omg
00:56 Cprossu when I come down there we're fucking playing counter strike, chris
00:56 SparkyProjects or will it fry
00:57 speed-pc there isnt enough aluminum alloy videos on the internet
00:58 Cprossu set him on fire so he'll have to use the extinguisher
00:59 Cprossu .nnoooo
00:59 Cprossu get the deviceid
00:59 Cprossu I bet its a linksys LNE10 or something like it =P
01:00 speed-pc lol
01:01 Cprossu LNEPCI2
01:01 Cprossu I meant
01:01 speed-pc LOL
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01:03 Cprossu OMG cisco's linksys website FUCKING BLOWS
01:03 speed-pc getting drivers for lynksys is so obscure
01:05 speed-pc but sisco is so big they can do that
01:05 speed-pc was that my pc dinging or the stream
01:05 Cprossu tggmc1: good fucking luck http://homedownloads.cisco.com/downloads/driver/1224638358847/lnepci2_dr.exe
01:06 speed-pc .....what was that
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01:06 speed-pc i just downloaded a .exe
01:06 speed-pc :(
01:06 Cprossu why did you do that?
01:06 Cprossu tggmc1: good fucking luck http://homedownloads.cisco.com/downloads/driver/1224638358847/lnepci2_dr.exe
01:06 Cprossu is it a linksys LNEPCI2?
01:06 Cprossu your ethernet card
01:09 Cprossu ^ this is the driver.
01:09 Cprossu done.
01:09 Cprossu and who knows if it works
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01:09 speed-pc lol
01:09 speed-pc he did it^^^^
01:09 speed-pc :D
01:10 eadthem how fire resistant is plexiglass?
01:10 eadthem ie acryilc
01:10 Cprossu done 3 minutes before you looked you guys know.
01:11 Cprossu I just don't think they will work for w7
01:11 speed-pc o_o
01:12 eadthem i guess i want to know   if plexiglass will hold its own vr a catastophic failure of a mains powersupply
01:12 eadthem say 120V 15A breaker
01:12 Cprossu yes it is.
01:12 Cprossu long story short it is.
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01:13 speed-pc .....ROFL
01:13 Cprossu EVACUATE
01:14 InteliWasp what am i missing on the stream?
01:14 Cprossu tell them that they don't need to look at the card again
01:14 Thermoelectric Cory passed gas.
01:14 Cprossu honestly I typed all that ages ago
01:15 SparkyProjects Cory needs a 'biohazzard' sticker
01:15 InteliWasp ....
01:15 speed-pc ...
01:15 Cprossu I got your driver though at least
01:15 speed-pc Cprossu: FTW
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01:17 Cprossu steve grab your ethernet cable and put irc up
01:18 Obtuse_ hells yes linux!
01:18 speed-pc he runs ubuntu :( im starting to move away from ububtu
01:18 Obtuse_ I always have a linux pc (tower) and a windows pc (laptop) going
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01:20 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
01:20 Cprossu good fucking luck- http://homedownloads.cisco.com/downloads/driver/1224638358847/lnepci2_dr.exe IF YOU ARE RUNNING X64 you're already screwed. If might have to use winRAR to forcefully extract it if it errors out saying you have the improper machine type, if you are too lazy, I'll upload a zipped version that works that you can download and do almost the same process with. If this works it'll be a minor miracle.
01:21 Cprossu I didn't
01:22 Cprossu don't celebrate yet
01:22 Cprossu it'll extract
01:22 Cprossu DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:23 Cprossu DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:23 speed-pc batch FTW
01:23 Thermoelectric CaptainBoden: ^
01:23 speed-pc DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:23 Cprossu The folder you want is NT50
01:23 Cprossu DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:23 speed-pc DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:23 Cprossu go to device manager
01:23 Cprossu FUCKING LOOK AT IRC
01:23 * BatSteve doesn't think you should run setup
01:24 PP__ ^^
01:24 Cprossu and DO NOT RUN SETUP
01:24 Thermoelectric CaptainBoden: Beep
01:24 Cprossu LOOOOK
01:24 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:24 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:24 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:24 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:24 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:24 speed-pc AHHHHHHHHHHHH
01:24 speed-pc BEEP CaptainBoden
01:24 LeadHead What are we installing right now?
01:24 Cprossu phew
01:24 Cprossu lnepci2_dr
01:24 Cprossu it'll be there
01:25 Cprossu it should have extracted wherever the file saved
01:25 LeadHead Are you guys playing with thinnet?
01:25 Cprossu nt50
01:25 Cprossu now goto device manager
01:26 Cprossu and manually select the driver for the sucker
01:26 Cprossu uh
01:26 Cprossu you failed then hang on
01:26 Cprossu do you have winrar on it?
01:27 Cprossu DO YOU HAVE WINRAR ON IT?
01:27 eadthem what harware is it?
01:27 Cprossu CaptainBoden
01:27 Thermoelectric -.-
01:27 speed-pc LOL
01:27 Cprossu I give the fuck up
01:27 speed-pc NOOOOOOOO
01:27 Cprossu good
01:28 Cprossu no it won't
01:28 Cprossu not needed now
01:28 Cprossu it won't suck
01:28 LeadHead Is this for the grass valley?
01:28 Cprossu no
01:28 LeadHead oh
01:28 Cprossu and don't bring that up
01:28 LeadHead Then what is this for?
01:29 Cprossu *waits for a potential BSOD*
01:29 eadthem or &
01:29 eadthem or 7
01:29 speed-pc hehe
01:29 eadthem what is the hardware?
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01:30 Cprossu don't even ask
01:30 BatSteve howdy mr. kidwell
01:30 speed-pc lol
01:30 tmb is now known as Guest72239
01:30 Guest72239 I already am....
01:30 speed-pc o_o
01:30 LeadHead Pretty sure you could just quickly state what piece of hardware you are trying to make this poor machine use
01:30 Cprossu man you missed out
01:30 Guest72239 grrr... still having trouble identifying
01:31 Guest72239 anyway, I have a couple dozen of those network cards...
01:31 Cprossu btw the thing I was suggesting, CaptainBoden, was using minidv decks as analog to SDI converters lol
01:31 Guest72239 and I can get you a win 95 hard drive pretty quickly...
01:31 Guest72239 just clone Jeff's hard drive
01:31 Cprossu sucks
01:32 Cprossu the blackmagic card will input SDI at least
01:32 speed-pc sequntial memory FTL
01:32 Cprossu do you guys have the jupiter network suite?
01:32 Cprossu because that's the missing part of the saturn
01:32 Cprossu I can't
01:32 Cprossu tried
01:32 Cprossu it's not there
01:32 Cprossu it's on a CD
01:32 Cprossu at whatever station you got it from
01:33 Cprossu they might
01:33 Cprossu Have the NT4 box
01:33 Cprossu that went with it
01:33 Cprossu still mounted up
01:33 Cprossu perhaps not running anymore
01:33 LeadHead Come on Cprossu, what are you guys trying to setup here
01:34 Cprossu HAHAH wtf
01:34 Thermoelectric Trying to do something with SDI..
01:34 Thermoelectric I think
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01:34 Cprossu I thought steve already told you this
01:34 Cprossu =/
01:35 eadthem what is the hardware in question?
01:35 Cprossu that's an issue
01:35 Cprossu we don't know the firmware it has
01:36 Cprossu and there's no place it's listed
01:36 Cprossu the version of the software is dependant on the firmware
01:36 CaptainBoden 10950438
01:36 Seroster Elloh Thermoelectric
01:37 LeadHead So the saturn is basically a big paperweight
01:37 LeadHead without a computer
01:37 Cprossu you're closer to have SDI working than you think
01:37 speed-pc electric screw driver xD
01:37 Cprossu also I have some warning for you CaptainBoden
01:37 Cprossu SD Video Processor
01:37 Cprossu Signal Format: Component
01:37 Cprossu (525/625) or Composite (525)
01:37 Cprossu digital video
01:38 Thermoelectric Ello there Seroster
01:38 LeadHead Oh, does the M-2100 only do SDI out?
01:39 eadthem so its  a grass vally SD video processor?
01:39 Cprossu the one they just took apart was a M2100
01:39 LeadHead The one they're working on now is a different one
01:39 Cprossu SDI IN and SDI OUT
01:39 LeadHead Took apart?
01:39 Cprossu the SDI out is not the problem
01:39 LeadHead Was it dead? Or useless to them
01:40 Cprossu works great.
01:40 LeadHead No digital cameras to use it with ?
01:40 Cprossu god. give me a place to stay, CaptainBoden and we'll fucking have SDI working everyfuckingwhere
01:40 Cprossu doesn't matter
01:41 Cprossu I'll even foot the bill for a few converters
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01:42 LeadHead Found a composite to SDI converter for $360
01:42 eadthem ya gonna say they appear to bein the 200-3000$ range
01:43 eadthem but what is the hardware that you dont have the software for   ive only been back for about 20 min
01:44 eadthem model?
01:44 LeadHead left channel dropped out
01:44 speed-pc ye
01:44 eadthem o its just saturn
01:44 speed-pc noleft
01:45 Cprossu left back
01:45 eadthem now its only left
01:45 speed-pc no right
01:45 LeadHead left back, right gone
01:45 Cprossu we got some interesting background noise
01:45 SparkyProjects more hiss
01:45 speed-pc 0_0
01:46 Overkill117 (=
01:46 speed-pc mosquetos FTL
01:46 Thermoelectric Much more hiss.
01:46 Cprossu you said it might sting, mosquito commercial
01:46 Cprossu 5 seconds
01:46 Cprossu ok now I can hear
01:46 Cprossu we got a whine in the background
01:46 Seroster Ey thermo...
01:46 speed-pc o_o
01:46 Cprossu and an ECHO
01:46 speed-pc lol
01:47 Cprossu HAHAHAH
01:47 LeadHead Way, way too much gain.
01:47 speed-pc what?
01:47 Overkill117 OMG
01:47 Cprossu HAHAHA
01:47 speed-pc feedback>?
01:47 PP__ ROFL
01:47 Cprossu yeah it's disorienting as hell isn't it, chris?
01:48 speed-pc lol nice
01:48 Cprossu again it's disorienting as hell isn't it, chris?
01:48 Cprossu I can never think when I am monitoring my own stream
01:48 Cprossu hiss going away a little
01:48 Cprossu shit lol
01:49 LeadHead Hiss.
01:49 speed-pc good
01:49 LeadHead Clipping
01:49 SparkyProjects You've lost the 'warm' sound
01:49 Cprossu oh god
01:49 Cprossu I am deaf
01:49 speed-pc crap
01:49 Thermoelectric Eeeek
01:49 speed-pc i have ear buds xD
01:50 speed-pc ok ty
01:50 Thermoelectric Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
01:50 eadthem well i found the jupiter software
01:50 speed-pc lol
01:51 Cprossu eadthem: really?
01:51 Cprossu as in downloadable?
01:51 eadthem http://grassvalley.novosolutions.net/default.asp?id=1379&amp;Lang=1&amp;SID=
01:51 eadthem i did not find the saturn software   but im not done working magic
01:51 Cprossu jupiter network suite is what we need to make it run
01:52 Cprossu so let me look
01:52 LeadHead Network Configuration Tool?
01:52 speed-pc :D
01:52 Thermoelectric Sound's back
01:52 LeadHead ftp://ftp.grassvalley.com/router/NetConfig/
01:52 Cprossu we need version 4
01:53 Cprossu of jupiter network suite I think
01:53 eadthem k one min i think i can work that
01:53 eadthem ok  this POS chrome has got to go    k-meleon ftw
01:54 injektion I <3 chrome
01:54 eadthem i got 5.1  possably
01:55 eadthem i got grass vallys whole FTP server accualy
01:55 eadthem ftp://ftp.grassvalley.com/
01:55 Cprossu I'm looking through it as you type
01:56 eadthem net central 4.1?
01:56 Cprossu no
01:56 Hackbat http://poptartin.spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccee.com/
01:56 Hackbat :D
01:56 LeadHead Philips has nothing on it?
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01:57 Cprossu how is that possible?
01:57 Cprossu it wasn't hissing with the mackie
01:57 Cprossu CaptainBoden that makes no sense
01:57 LeadHead What's the audio bitrate?
01:57 Cprossu ^ again it wasn't hissing on the mackie
01:57 LeadHead That's more than enough for voice.
01:57 LeadHead Odd.
01:59 Cprossu wait a sec
01:59 eadthem i got nothing
01:59 Cprossu ftp://ftp.grassvalley.com/router/Phillips-Pub/
01:59 Cprossu eadthem: I might have found something
01:59 eadthem ooo that might be something
01:59 eadthem 2003
02:00 eadthem 7zip is opening
02:00 LeadHead It's just PDFs
02:00 Cprossu fuck it's manuals
02:00 Cprossu still
02:01 Cprossu go to 01intro
02:01 LeadHead Try kicking the audio bitrate up a second
02:01 Cprossu hey CaptainBoden
02:01 Cprossu we didn't get his with the mackie
02:01 LeadHead up a second?
02:01 Cprossu so it must be from the output of the mixer somehow
02:01 Cprossu or the cable
02:01 LeadHead I meant a bit.
02:01 eadthem Cprossu what are the ods that 7.x would work
02:01 Cprossu going to the stream server
02:01 Cprossu nil
02:01 LeadHead Same.
02:01 Cprossu eadthem: let me get you the manuals and you'll see how weird it is
02:01 LeadHead Seems to be more distortion too.
02:02 LeadHead Same.
02:02 eadthem lol if they got the network protocal documented i could write a new server:p
02:02 speed-pc :D
02:02 Cprossu but eadthem: look at 01intro.pdf
02:02 eadthem done that once before
02:02 Cprossu so you can see what we are up against
02:02 Overkill117 there's echo
02:02 LeadHead Hiss + Clipping.
02:02 eadthem little echo  and hiss
02:02 Cprossu we have the Saturn Master Control
02:02 LeadHead Why can't the damn board just work by itself?
02:02 Cprossu now I hear an extra phono buzz
02:02 LeadHead Is that too much to ask?
02:03 Cprossu yes it's too much to fucking ask
02:03 eadthem where 01intro at
02:03 Cprossu JUPITER\MANUALS\INSTAL_O.PER\INOP
02:03 Cprossu page 2
02:03 Cprossu echo echo echo
02:04 LeadHead Plug them headphones into the stream PC.
02:04 eadthem feedback
02:04 Cprossu lol
02:04 speed-pc feed back oh noe D:
02:05 speed-pc lol
02:05 Cprossu wait what in the hell
02:05 Cprossu HEY CaptainBoden!
02:05 Cprossu I FOUND SOMETHING
02:06 Cprossu do you have a 10bt to 10b2 convertor?
02:06 Cprossu hahahah
02:06 Cprossu I need to fix that
02:06 Cprossu coax and ethernet twisted pair
02:06 Cprossu k I found an updated diagram
02:06 Guest72239 ummmm.... adding the one I have to the box
02:06 Cprossu which isn't packaged with software
02:06 Cprossu sadly but still
02:06 eadthem ya looks like on this diagram the control box runs on 10b2
02:07 Cprossu it gives me hope
02:07 Cprossu eadthem: IT SAYS A CONVERTER!
02:07 Cprossu see?
02:07 eadthem ya
02:07 Cprossu that's the first diagram I've seen that has one!
02:07 Cprossu it's like a newer setup for the old crap
02:07 eadthem but if its standard 10base2 then even a plain 10base2 network card shuld do
02:07 Cprossu yes but this was 2003
02:08 Cprossu and 10b2 cards were becoming dead
02:08 Cprossu so it tells me it's possible to run a tranceiver now
02:08 eadthem corse the last time ive seen a BNC network was 2002 and it was beeing removed :p
02:08 Cprossu before the documentation was VERY specific
02:08 Cprossu about stating you needed a 3com 10b2 card and such
02:09 eadthem could be something nonstandard
02:09 eadthem ya it says  page 9  thinnet bnc  as the only lan connector
02:10 eadthem page 14  says intel or 3com lan card    it says  media converter  IF needd to connect ethernet lan card   witch leads me to beleve its standard thinnet
02:11 Cprossu hrmmm
02:11 Cprossu Guest72239: you still with us?
02:11 eadthem it also says windows 2000  and jupiter software isntalled  so question is   will 7.x jupiter work?
02:11 Cprossu how hard would it be to construct a DIY analog to SDI converter?
02:12 Cprossu the problem is
02:12 Cprossu you have a firmware/version deal going on
02:12 eadthem it appears to be ADC in    some processing voodoo and serial video data out
02:12 Cprossu each new version steps up the firmware from the direct previous revision
02:12 Cprossu and that's the issue I found
02:12 eadthem so 7.x wont support the older stuff namely saturn
02:12 Cprossu no correct firmware, no dice
02:13 Cprossu CaptainBoden at least we got an OK to use win2k though
02:13 eadthem ya that was on page 14
02:13 LeadHead Win2k = NT5.0, XP = 5.1
02:14 LeadHead Vista and 7 are 6.0 and 6.1 respectfully
02:14 Cprossu xp should work then
02:14 Cprossu even better
02:14 eadthem the thing is   how is licensing setup
02:14 injektion Win2k the best Windows OS before 7
02:14 Cprossu blasted
02:14 eadthem test tone on left channnals only on stream
02:14 Cprossu again
02:14 Cprossu my own failt
02:14 speed-pc :(
02:14 CaptainBoden sorry about that guys
02:14 CaptainBoden it's about to happen again, loud noise, standby
02:15 eadthem see  it mentions it requires liensing   well is that via a hardware key in the sautrn box   or a LPT hardlock key   or some software key   ither way  that could be a issue
02:15 injektion Windows 2000 is abandonware for those of you that are wondering
02:15 speed-pc loud noises = mosqeto commetrial
02:15 eadthem hopefuly the key is in the saturn  else that could be SOL right there
02:15 MagneticCow man i heard that 2 stories up from my headphones
02:16 injektion eadthem: Hopefully so
02:16 Hackbat CaptainBoden, you need a "Captain Story time" sorta thing
02:17 Hackbat Captain's
02:17 injektion I am going to assume here that the dongle is in the device itself like most pro stuff
02:17 eadthem hey  Cprossu  look at page 20
02:18 Cprossu no hiss
02:18 Cprossu nice
02:18 speed-pc :D
02:18 LeadHead Much quieter, however.
02:18 eadthem jupiterplus 6.x software site license  for saturn master control
02:18 Cprossu little low though
02:18 Obtuse_ sounds good now
02:18 Cprossu I hear a tone
02:19 Cprossu tooooooooooooooooone
02:19 Obtuse_ its not as bad. i heard some echo
02:19 eadthem yes its good
02:19 Cprossu gone now?
02:19 LeadHead Gone
02:19 eadthem sounds great
02:19 Cprossu turn that scanner off
02:19 Cprossu for a sec
02:19 Guest72239 You're sounding remarkably good there...
02:19 Guest72239 5 by 5
02:19 Cprossu very nice
02:19 LeadHead Golly, you could be on the radio with that voice!
02:19 Guest72239 silence is... silent
02:19 Cprossu sexy
02:20 speed-pc awesome
02:20 speed-pc :D
02:20 Guest72239 Alexander Brass Lives!!!
02:20 Cprossu yeah I get fucked up by it when I do it too
02:20 Cprossu it really fucks with you doesn't it?
02:20 Cprossu becuase I stop
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02:20 Cprossu it's like someone slams a brick in my face
02:20 Cprossu CaptainBoden^
02:20 Cprossu when that delay kicks back
02:21 Obtuse_ what headphones are both of you rocking?
02:21 Cprossu but your audio rocks
02:21 eadthem Cprossu   from what that says  you need to enter a software key when you install the jupiterPlus software
02:21 Obtuse_ I've got Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones
02:21 eadthem page 22
02:21 Cprossu we heard it earlier
02:22 Cprossu eadthem" which pdf?
02:22 eadthem 01intro.pdf
02:22 Obtuse_ HD 650s?
02:22 Cprossu hmmmm
02:22 Cprossu the problem is the router is the jupiter router
02:22 speed-pc The zero meridian time is now 02:22:41 2011-06-13
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02:23 Cprossu and the software that runs that makes the saturn work is the ...something
02:23 speed-pc http://www.zulutime.net/
02:23 Obtuse_ beautiful
02:23 BatSteve .t 0
02:23 BotSteve Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:23:42 0
02:23 eadthem ChrisBoden witch controller do you ahve   SI3000  CM4000
02:23 Obtuse_ I heard about the Electronics lab, is there actually a room set aside?
02:23 Cprossu you might want to see if that station has the server that ran the saturn system
02:23 Obtuse_ or is it just storage right now?
02:24 Obtuse_ Sweet!
02:24 Cprossu because the deeper I delve into the documentation the bigger headache I get
02:24 eadthem ya ither your gonna need the software key   or your gonna need there server
02:24 Cprossu Jupiter Network Suite
02:24 Cprossu is the wording of what you need
02:25 eadthem 4.x right
02:25 Cprossu I don't have any details
02:25 Cprossu sadly
02:25 eadthem because that pdf also mentioned 6.x
02:25 Cprossu yeah ok
02:25 Cprossu I don't have access to the physical stuff though =/
02:25 Cprossu do you know about the irc log?
02:25 Cprossu .log
02:25 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
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02:25 ynos hello world
02:25 critterpal you suddenly have 51 viewers on U-stream
02:25 BatSteve howdy ynos
02:26 speed-pc hi ynos
02:26 speed-pc epic drums
02:26 eadthem it says 24
02:26 ynos Was just cruising the interwebs and found out about the geek group
02:26 critterpal nevermind. I'm a dork
02:26 speed-pc awesome
02:26 ynos so what kind of stuff do they do?
02:26 Cprossu I hate it too
02:26 eadthem ynos  http://thegeekgroup.org/live-video/  this is what wer talking about
02:27 ynos am watching it now
02:27 Cprossu fuck windows 7 audio 'support'
02:27 critterpal I thought it seemed like a lot all of a sudden
02:27 speed-pc ask the the guy in the stream
02:27 Toastdude Hi ynos!
02:27 ynos so is it mostly an av club?
02:27 eadthem its everything
02:28 Toastdude DOS!!
02:28 speed-pc an everything club
02:28 Cprossu hahah
02:28 Toastdude ynos: Don't get BatSteve started on DOS...
02:28 speed-pc everythins science and engineering
02:28 ynos electronics base, metalworrking, what?
02:28 eadthem yes and yes
02:28 BatSteve Toastdude: what's wrong with dos?
02:28 ynos nice
02:29 ynos opendos, freedos
02:29 eadthem http://www.youtube.com/user/thegeekgroup#g/u
02:29 Cprossu christian station
02:29 ynos what dos?
02:29 ynos amiga dos?
02:29 Obtuse_ haha. I use to have a guitar pedal that would pick up short wave radio
02:29 ynos too much gain?
02:29 speed-pc quick and dirty operating system
02:29 speed-pc shortened to dos
02:29 Toastdude Nothing... it's just that everyone starts talking about it...
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02:29 Toastdude ynos: Disk Operating System
02:30 Obtuse_ haha. that's awesome
02:30 Cprossu qdos was nothing but CP/M with some changes compiled badly for an intel 8086
02:30 eadthem AM right?
02:30 ynos yupyup
02:30 Toastdude See?
02:30 eadthem hows the SRSG going?
02:30 Cprossu GH5 kitchen?
02:30 Obtuse_ happy birthday steve!
02:30 speed-pc what exactly is the console other than a sound board?
02:30 critterpal steve is OOOOlllldddddd!!!!!
02:31 ynos sadface, openbsd lacks flash
02:31 Cprossu when do you start taking things apart again?
02:31 ynos cant watch the vid
02:31 Cprossu rofl
02:31 Cprossu I look forward to the ST-251
02:31 Cprossu that'll be fun
02:31 speed-pc :D
02:31 Cprossu GH5 kitchen?
02:31 speed-pc i had on
02:31 speed-pc u skipped
02:31 eadthem did you get the SRSG fixed?
02:31 Obtuse_ <eadthem> hows the SRSG going?
02:32 speed-pc what exactly is the console other than a sound board?
02:32 Cprossu ahahahah
02:32 ynos KD8PZH de KC8IJQ
02:32 Cprossu Do you guys want a Motorola HT-220 to take apart, KF7POU
02:32 ynos you guys homebrew at all?
02:32 Guest72239 the srsg took a couple hits from when we had Arcturous set up (is that how you spell that???)
02:32 eadthem Try wreing it for 220 but running it on 110    it would reduce the power output   not affect RPM and might help the thermal output
02:32 Cprossu it needs to be destroyed
02:33 Cprossu so someone in #hamradio can give me a ht-600 rofl
02:33 ynos taking stuff apart is fun and all, but make some stuff
02:33 CaptainBoden arcturus
02:33 ynos beer or radio stuff
02:33 LeadHead Hey Cprossu, in case you were wondering, here is a picture of the pig: http://i56.tinypic.com/2yywd1h.jpg
02:33 SHarper How often do you expect to be showing kiddies science when you have the lab done?
02:33 ynos too bad
02:33 PP__ Hows project Jeff going?
02:33 Guest72239 Beer + HV = bad idea.
02:34 speed-pc what exactly is the console other than a sound board?
02:34 Cprossu what's the story on the studio full of wood?
02:34 Toastdude I don't have anything against it, BatSteve... Remember I'm a 13 year old who wanted a DOS computer for fun...
02:34 Cprossu power up the old GVG lol
02:34 ynos Brewing is just another art, you dont paint while playing guitar do you?
02:34 Cprossu hahahahah
02:34 BatSteve (grin) fair enough
02:34 ynos some things just dont co-exist
02:34 Cprossu are you going to do another recording studio soundproofing demo?
02:35 Cprossu *running out of ideas for questions*
02:35 ynos any meetings that happen?
02:35 ynos or volunteer times?
02:35 LeadHead Do chickens have large talons? Is always a classic.
02:35 Cprossu How goes project 'get a transaxle for the lotus'?
02:35 ynos locost?
02:35 ynos or lotus7
02:35 LeadHead Lotus.
02:35 LeadHead Espirit I believe
02:35 Cprossu no they have a lotus that they are putting electric motors in
02:36 Cprossu it's a v8 twin turbo...1997
02:36 LeadHead well, was.
02:36 LeadHead Now it's empty engine bay...1997
02:36 ynos 7 is easier to make by the home garage monkey
02:36 ynos simple lines, easy to bend
02:36 LeadHead Yeah, but they already have the Espirit.
02:36 Cprossu NICE
02:37 Cprossu sounds better than echolink
02:37 injektion I miss the old NOAA voice
02:37 speed-pc awesome
02:37 Obtuse_ when it says "Flurries" its hilarious
02:37 Obtuse_ sounds like a drunk man
02:37 speed-pc lol
02:37 Cprossu CaptainBoden: sounds better than echolink!
02:37 injektion Cprossu: Remember Perfect Paul?
02:37 Obtuse_ I have that radio station on my subaru
02:38 eadthem someone asked about how hard it would be to convert composit to  SDI  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_digital_interface    not exceptonaly easy
02:38 Cprossu HAHAHAHA
02:38 Cprossu FILTERING
02:38 Cprossu sounds shitty now
02:38 Cprossu lets see
02:38 speed-pc lol ye
02:38 Obtuse_ beep beep beep
02:38 eadthem whos kidwell on as ?
02:39 ynos so are most people on here locals?
02:39 Guest72239 Kidwell here....
02:39 Cprossu oh CaptainBoden I know a good question, when is the quadcore I sent going to be built to hopefully run the blackmagic card?
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02:39 speed-pc :D
02:39 ynos nice
02:39 Cprossu good deal
02:39 Guest72239 Presently working on software, so somewhat distracted.
02:40 Toastdude Wait, who's Kidwell?
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02:40 Cprossu good freq
02:40 eadthem Guest72239 for the SRSG motor  what about wireing it for 110V and running it on 220V     that shuld cut the current flow in 1/2    it will reduce output torqe but if the loads not to bad on the motor it shuld reduce the thermal issue.
02:40 ynos PLs dont matter, you arent talking
02:40 ynos you can listen as much as you want
02:40 Cprossu Guest72239= the kidwell
02:41 Cprossu Guest72239: how hard would it be to build a Analog composite to SDI converter?
02:41 Toastdude Seriously?
02:41 eadthem Cprossu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_digital_interface
02:41 eadthem the thing thats got me is the bitrate
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02:41 LeadHead I'd say damn near impossible
02:41 LeadHead 143-270 MBit/s
02:41 Cprossu yeah but you're also not the kidwell, LeadHead
02:41 eadthem mmm  might beabel to find a all in 1 premade chip
02:42 Guest72239 ok, think you mean wiring it for 240 and running it at 120...
02:42 Cprossu eadthem: my thoughts exactly
02:42 eadthem Guest72239 yes
02:42 LeadHead You'd need some good ADCs, an FPGA, DACs, and documentation of the SDI protocol
02:42 Guest72239 and that motor needs a trip to a rewind shop. the back end is rather messed up where the power cable enters.
02:42 eadthem Cprossu  checking  NXP ST ti national ...
02:42 LeadHead rofl
02:43 eadthem ooo cirrus logic is another good one that might do that kind of thing
02:43 Cprossu deadstream lol
02:43 Guest72239 as to an SDI converter. I've never delt with one, so I can't say off the top of my head how hard it would be.
02:43 Cprossu oh there we go
02:43 speed-pc i can still hear the peeps :D
02:43 LeadHead peeps
02:43 Cprossu kk Guest72239: because TGG would need like 8 I'm guessing
02:43 speed-pc beeps
02:43 eadthem Guest72239 so its not got its wireing posts anylonger than?
02:43 speed-pc thats awesome
02:44 Cprossu and at $320-$500 a pop there has to be a better way
02:44 eadthem i mean it use to be an induction motor  and when i looked it up it said 120/240
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02:44 LeadHead With no real load on the motor, switching it over to 240v should damn near cut current in half.
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02:45 eadthem ya
02:45 eadthem or hell if you cant rewrire it
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02:45 eadthem can you put it on a variac?
02:46 eadthem that would have the same effect
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02:46 eadthem or even a 240 to 120 stepdown tranny  with 120 in   and 60 out
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02:47 Seroster Thewhite... Why did I read your name as Thermite?
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02:47 Cprossu good until it cuts out
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02:47 eadthem bit quite but not bad   compared to your voice
02:47 Thewhite thermite?
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02:47 Cprossu and you hear thumping
02:48 Tmbomber ok, back online
02:48 Tmbomber (was typing, but nothing was posting)
02:48 Seroster Thewhite, a mixture of aluminium powder and ferric oxide
02:48 Seroster When ignited it burns like heck and there is pretty much no way to stop it
02:48 eadthem chris is answering questions on live if your not on live
02:48 LeadHead ETA on public opening?
02:49 Tmbomber what needs to happen before the opening???
02:49 Thewhite i know that  but how can you read thermite  from  thewhite
02:49 Seroster eadthem, Is he answering anything good? =P
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02:49 LeadHead Any luck finding a new rigging company?
02:49 djrock9000 is there an official Minnesota chapter???
02:49 eadthem o  when will security cards be accualy used for door access with boxy
02:50 Tmbomber not from me... have a good one.
02:50 djrock9000 What does it take to start one
02:50 Cprossu omg
02:50 speed-pc what exactly is the console other than a sound board?
02:50 Cprossu oMG
02:50 djrock9000 cool thanks.
02:50 Cprossu my sister put my laptop on top of the toaster oven
02:51 Cprossu AND THEN USED IT
02:51 Cprossu everything seems fine still though
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02:51 speed-pc the one u got software for
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02:51 speed-pc ohh
02:51 Cprossu and more expensive
02:51 djrock9000 see ya!
02:51 eadthem cya
02:51 Cprossu night CaptainBoden
02:51 Obtuse_ night captain
02:51 djrock9000 night
02:52 speed-pc goodnight
02:52 Seroster Its like a soundboard, except for video! YEAH!
02:52 Toastdude Night CaptainBoden
02:52 eadthem WOOT national makes SDI chips
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02:52 Cprossu how much a whack?
02:52 Tmbomber what's the part number on the SDI chips???
02:52 eadthem looking atm
02:52 Seroster Ey look, I got strawberry pie, Its like Apple pie, but with strawberries! =D
02:52 speed-pc whats all the buttions for
02:52 eadthem teh goal is one that needs only a uc for managment
02:52 speed-pc Cprossu: ?
02:53 Seroster speed-pc, Wich one? =D
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02:53 Cprossu_Laptop and somehow my laptop survived
02:53 speed-pc ....lol
02:53 Cprossu_Laptop being cooked ontop of a toaster oven
02:53 Toastdude LOL
02:53 Cprossu_Laptop CaptainBoden ^ fucking hell
02:53 speed-pc Cprossu_Laptop: whats all the buttions for
02:53 Cprossu_Laptop on the video board?
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02:53 speed-pc yes
02:53 LeadHead Gotta love it
02:54 Cprossu_Laptop it's for switching feeds back and fourth and effects
02:54 LeadHead Providence Police Chief (providence being the Capital of RI)'s daughter
02:54 Cprossu_Laptop it could be anything from VTR's to live signal
02:54 speed-pc like filters?
02:54 LeadHead had a graduation party at home with drinking
02:54 Cprossu_Laptop no filters
02:54 speed-pc oh
02:54 Cprossu_Laptop however it will create an overlay
02:54 Cprossu_Laptop the whole point is to be able to control multiple feeds simultaniously
02:55 Cprossu_Laptop now I am going to go freak out privately and make sure no plastics are melted on this machine
02:55 speed-pc i thought thats what the switcher was for
02:55 exor674 wannabe1987
02:55 exor674 er...
02:55 speed-pc ohh!
02:55 speed-pc that was cool!
02:55 Cprossu_Laptop Master Control and Switcher are 2 pieces of the puzzle
02:55 speed-pc thats soooo coool
02:55 Cprossu_Laptop but we will likely use a mcp only
02:56 Cprossu_Laptop vectorscope
02:56 speed-pc ....0_0 cool
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02:56 LeadHead Speed, you sound like half my friends when I try to talk automotive mechanicals with them
02:56 Cprossu_Laptop later steve
02:56 Cprossu_Laptop later chris
02:56 speed-pc so is that like chromakey?
02:57 Cprossu_Laptop no
02:57 Cprossu_Laptop but the board will do it
02:57 speed-pc ohh
02:57 Cprossu_Laptop we have 1 switcher and 2 master control boards
02:57 Cprossu_Laptop both mcp's are useless as of now
02:57 Cprossu_Laptop 1 functional 1 .....not yet
02:58 eadthem Cprossu_Laptop they only have PHY's
02:58 PP__ Well.. im out. The time is 5AM here.. Bye..
02:58 Cprossu_Laptop ask eadthem for progress on the fucking saturn
02:58 eadthem bus drivers and recevers
02:58 eadthem ?
02:58 Cprossu_Laptop because you've made it further than I have
02:58 Tmbomber Night everybody, I'm diving back into my software.
02:58 Cprossu_Laptop in finding the software
02:58 Cprossu_Laptop Tmbomber: good deal
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02:59 Cprossu_Laptop keep a lookout for Analog to SDI converters
02:59 eadthem all i did was my ususal FTP and HTTP voodoo  other than that i know nothing about how the thing accualy works
02:59 speed-pc so that graph, is that frequency and amplatude showing traffic?
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02:59 Cprossu_Laptop .w vecterscope
02:59 BotSteve "A vectorscope is a special type of oscilloscope used in both audio and video applications." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectorscope
03:00 speed-pc oh?
03:00 Cprossu_Laptop ^ at least it still pulled up right, go look!
03:00 Cprossu_Laptop be back later
03:01 BatSteve I'm pretty happy that worked
03:01 BatSteve before, it wouldn't have
03:01 BatSteve :]
03:01 speed-pc that was a cool sound
03:03 eadthem was that a gunshot?
03:05 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: tyler on new
03:07 Seroster I hate fucking memes.
03:07 eadthem nothing with the composit to SDI converter
03:07 eadthem it appears there all done via a FPGA
03:07 eadthem and ADC
03:07 LeadHead Told ya.
03:08 eadthem hey there was a chance
03:08 Obtuse_ any open FPGA cores?
03:08 Obtuse_ or is it all closed source?
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03:08 BatSteve Seroster: why?
03:08 eadthem with as small as some of these composit to SDI converters are  i could see there beeing a singal chip solution
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03:08 LeadHead The biggest one that I know of Xilinix
03:08 Seroster BatSteve, because they get old instantly
03:08 Obtuse_ I have coded for an FPGA, not an expert though
03:09 eadthem thers also altera
03:09 eadthem thats the one i learnd on in collage
03:09 Obtuse_ i only know xilinx
03:09 Obtuse_ i'm sure its probably not that different
03:09 eadthem atmels got a AVR chip thats got a FPGA sidelong to it
03:09 LeadHead I know that the latest and greatest FPGAs can do some silly things
03:09 Obtuse_ an avr with fpga?
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03:10 eadthem LeadHead they could also be using a DSP chip
03:10 eadthem witch would be single chip solution potentaly
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03:10 BotSteve Welcome back, boss.
03:11 LeadHead DSP really doesn't mean anything
03:11 Seroster BatSteve, People are STILL rickrollin...
03:11 LeadHead FPGAs can be DSPs
03:11 LeadHead microcontrollers can be DSPs
03:12 Seroster That was... Over a year ago. Measured in internet years that's like 40s vintage!
03:12 eadthem what i mean is it could be a chip with the ADC DAC and IO all in 1 device  usualy called a DSP
03:13 BatSteve heh, true
03:14 BatSteve Then again, a properly set up rickroll can still be funny
03:14 Seroster About as funny as a properly set holocaust
03:15 LeadHead Wait
03:15 LeadHead You don't find the holocaust to be hilarious?
03:15 Seroster There might be a slim chance you could make it funny, but it is pretty unfuckinlikely
03:16 eadthem Cprossu_Laptop you gonna email cris?   im not shure ither of use has much info that can help
03:16 eadthem i mean ither than the PDF you found
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03:21 wannabe1987 hola!
03:24 Ponko92 i am an imsonica
03:24 Ponko92 huzah
03:25 Thermoelectric Who has a messy desk?
03:25 LeadHead I.
03:25 Thermoelectric Me too
03:25 Thermoelectric https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/259937_2070335447720_1524879754_2331132_3597328_n.jpg :D
03:26 BatSteve me!
03:26 Thermoelectric We should make a gallery displaying them. :)
03:27 speed-pc hi
03:28 wannabe1987 hi
03:28 speed-pc hi wannabe
03:29 speed-pc brb
03:31 wannabe1987 om nom nom
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03:34 speedrunnerG55 Darn i was too late
03:34 speedrunnerG55 My pc hybernated
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03:34 speedrunnerG55 While my pc resumes.
03:34 speedrunnerG55 Whats up wannabe1987
03:34 wannabe1987 LBP
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03:35 Cprossu from what I have seen just googling, SDI to Composite must be an easier process than the other way around
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03:35 speedrunnerG55__ hi
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03:35 Cprossu I'm back now
03:35 wannabe1987 TAILS
03:35 speedrunnerG55 Hi
03:35 wannabe1987 hi Cprossu
03:35 speedrunnerG55__ hi Cprossu
03:36 * wannabe1987 hides from tails!
03:36 Cprossu http://www.best-b2b.com/Products/545/585-3/sdi-to-ntscpal-signal-converter_144471.html
03:36 speedrunnerG55__ the sega charicter?
03:36 speedrunnerG55__ sseeeeeeggaaaaaaaaa
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03:37 speedrunnerG55__ is now known as speedrunnerg55
03:37 speedrunnerg55 :D
03:38 wannabe1987 the spikey things...they keep killing me
03:38 Cprossu .c 35000 PKR to USD
03:38 BotSteve 408.41500 U.S. dollars
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03:38 speedrunnerg55 ??
03:38 Cprossu fuck.
03:39 wannabe1987 SPEED you has new identity WITH tail
03:39 speedrunnerg55 hi speedrunnerG55_
03:39 speedrunnerG55_ Hi speedrunnerG55
03:39 Cprossu hrmmm
03:39 Cprossu http://compare.ebay.com/like/330558241281?var=lv&amp;ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&amp;var=sbar&amp;_lwgsi=y
03:39 Cprossu wonder what it runs off of
03:40 wannabe1987 speed stop talking to yourself
03:40 speedrunnerg55 o_o
03:40 Kafka Cprossu: if hurd were in a usable state, would you use it?
03:41 speedrunnerG55_ speedrunnerG55_: Annything new todday?
03:41 LeadHead You, are really, really weird. Speedrunner.
03:41 speedrunnerg55 i got to go to a company ppicnic
03:41 LeadHead and not in the good way either.
03:42 * speedrunnerg55 stops talking to himself
03:43 speedrunnerg55 so i went to a companny picnic, it was at the same plase as were i went to an end of the year trip in 6th grade
03:43 speedrunnerg55 i had sommany flashbacks of fun times
03:43 speedrunnerg55 and me getting hurt in the basketball cort
03:43 * BatSteve wonders why it's not ok for speed to talk to himself, but it's fine for me to talk to a puppet
03:43 BotSteve An excellent question, BatSteve...
03:43 wannabe1987 lol BatSteve
03:43 LeadHead I wonder if that same injury is now why you can't spell for shit?
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03:44 BotSteve And might I say you're looking very attractive today.
03:44 speedrunnerg55 i hurt my wrist
03:44 BatSteve (:
03:44 wannabe1987 lol @ LeadHead
03:44 wannabe1987 what a nice bot :p
03:45 speedrunnerg55 :D
03:46 speedrunnerg55 BotSteve: can you talk to me?
03:46 wannabe1987 no
03:46 Cprossu wow
03:46 Cprossu that's fucking tits
03:46 speedrunnerg55 lol
03:46 Cprossu http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Composite+to+SDI&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;prmd=ivns&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&amp;biw=981&amp;bih=627&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;tbm=shop&amp;cid=437891513410622649&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=9of1TbXzG5CugQed_-G3Cw&amp;ved=0CIIBEPMCMAM4Hg
03:46 Cprossu ^ look at this
03:46 wannabe1987 y
03:46 Cprossu http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689881-REG/Datavideo_DAC_7L_DAC_7L_Analog_to_SDI.html
03:47 Cprossu because it's fucking awesome
03:47 astro73|derrial Cprossu: did you have questions about the project? or did you see the mentions?
03:48 Cprossu no
03:48 Cprossu let me scroll up
03:48 Cprossu astro73|derrial: refresh my memoty
03:51 Cprossu *memory apparently some of it is corrupted
03:52 astro73|derrial Cprossu: yesterday, you were asking about the display for the HVL, "so this is based off of a functional meter?" "is it a home built or does it have a make/model so we can look at the display circuitry?" "but a projection system of some sort would not have any electrical interference"
03:52 astro73|derrial So I replied a little later "kidwell says he has a pile of meters that more-or-less match the one in thumper, which is a micron M10002DCV1 meter, and since it has a communications port, I'm using it as my data source"
03:52 Cprossu ooooh
03:52 astro73|derrial (Projection system isn't a terrible idea, but daylight presents problems)
03:52 Cprossu so many projects going I don't know what to think lol
03:53 Cprossu and we had 3 big fat greek failures today if I am counting right
03:54 ChrisBoden just passing through Cprossu, saw your link to the composite-SDI encoder, looks promising, now find one that works the other way (we'll only need one) so we can put it into the stream, otherwisew e'll need an SDI capture card for the transmitter computer. Keep researching, you're doing awesome, I'm headed to bed. Gnite :)
03:54 Cprossu_Laptop we have an sdi cap card, ChrisBoden
03:55 Cprossu_Laptop the intensity does SDI I think
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03:55 Cprossu_Laptop so we have what we need there
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03:55 Cprossu_Laptop hey egrsteve check this one out
03:55 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689881-REG/Datavideo_DAC_7L_DAC_7L_Analog_to_SDI.html
03:56 egrsteve about $350 above our budget
03:56 Seroster Aight
03:56 Seroster Screw this
03:57 speedrunnerg55 hi egrsteve
03:57 Seroster I'm off to hit the hay
03:57 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I am aware
03:57 Seroster Cus it's my birthday, an excellent day for sleeping.
03:57 egrsteve yes, I know they make them
03:57 Cprossu_Laptop we have a few members seeing if it's possible to build one egrsteve
03:57 egrsteve it's mybirthday
03:57 egrsteve too (for 3 more min)
03:57 Cprossu_Laptop btw happy bday both of you!
03:57 eadthem building one will require a FPGA and or DSP
03:57 egrsteve ya, building one could be fun
03:57 Seroster Grats egrsteve
03:57 eadthem i struck out on that   all i found wer interface chips
03:58 egrsteve you too
03:58 Cprossu_Laptop yeah but x8 or whatever the savings stack up
03:58 Seroster Is that 12th 13th or 14th?
03:58 egrsteve 12
03:58 Seroster Timezones fuck with my mind
03:58 eadthem but  without knowing the accual protocals  might not be to hard
03:58 Seroster egrsteve, year? =P
03:58 egrsteve too old
03:58 eadthem what about ebay?
03:58 Cprossu_Laptop the other thing I found was that sony made some analog to SDI interface cards that work with the cameras
03:58 egrsteve ya, i bet $$$
03:59 Cprossu_Laptop $100 a pop on ebay
03:59 Cprossu_Laptop but I didn't find enough
04:00 Cprossu_Laptop egrsteve: http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-HK-202-HD-SDI-RX-MODULE-USED-/150616774299?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item231175969b
04:00 Cprossu_Laptop I wonder what that goes in
04:02 Seroster Well anyhow, screw it
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04:02 Cprossu_Laptop lol
04:02 eadthem what are the odds that with the right tv station  somone might donate one
04:03 Cprossu_Laptop I wish a magic box that takes 12 analog signals in and makes 12 SDI signals out would magically drop on your doorstep, egrsteve
04:03 eadthem i mean aside from the expensive price  it seams like a adapter cable type thing     good for the short time when you have a SDI based master control  but yet to buy SDI cameras
04:03 Cprossu_Laptop that gvg is too good to allow to collect dust
04:04 Kafka unionFS is beautiful
04:04 egrsteve i wonder http://www.analog.com/en/digital-to-analog-converters/video-encoders/adv7391/products/prodpopup.html?display=popup
04:04 eadthem i mean wouldnt most tv stations throw out the composit to SDI adapters when they get rid of the composit converters?
04:04 eadthem ooo   i didnt think of analog devices
04:05 egrsteve first one i thought of
04:05 Cprossu_Laptop I mean surplus, that sucker is 11K
04:05 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: astro73 on Project Log: Large HVL Voltage Display.....obtuse on Power Wheels Robot
04:05 egrsteve they have a lot of A to D
04:05 eadthem i accualy went to NXP ST cirrus and national first
04:05 eadthem also tryed ti and maxim
04:05 Kafka DACs and ADCc are fun to make
04:06 eadthem your link is bad
04:07 egrsteve ya, it's an dac not adc anyway
04:08 eadthem whats the frequency range of composit
04:08 eadthem it looks like SDI has a little bit of inteligence    time sync packets    zero and ones padding
04:08 Cprossu_Laptop ok I lost myself
04:08 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/images/verified_circuits/CN0060_00_1024.gif
04:09 Cprossu_Laptop what the hell am I looking at there?
04:09 eadthem ADC
04:10 eadthem ADV7180:  10-Bit, 4× Oversampling SDTV Video Decoder
04:11 eadthem its whats in your ATSC box for digtal broadcast
04:11 Cprossu_Laptop so that uses a AD4851 too
04:11 Cprossu_Laptop eadthem: is this thing what I think it is?
04:11 Cprossu_Laptop or am I misreading it?
04:12 eadthem its a complmentary bus recever
04:12 eadthem diffrental bus recever
04:12 eadthem just a fancy opamp
04:12 speedrunnerg55 opamp FTW
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04:12 eadthem the big chip takes in 1 to 3 diffrent composit inputs and puts out 8 bit digtal  data
04:12 Cprossu_Laptop but is this SDI out?
04:13 Hydroelectric Hey everyone.
04:13 Cprossu_Laptop hey Hydroelectric
04:13 eadthem witch you would then serilise   zero and ones stuff   and add time packets and then its SDI
04:13 Hydroelectric Long time no talk.
04:13 eadthem that last bit takes the FPGA or DSP
04:13 Cprossu_Laptop damn
04:13 Cprossu_Laptop so for that circuit alone without the fpga we are at like $20 of parts right?
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04:14 speedrunnerg55 CSMonster: !!!
04:14 speedrunnerg55 HI
04:14 CSMonster hi speed
04:14 CSMonster is my exor here?
04:14 eadthem about 10$ for the adc
04:14 BatSteve howdy csm
04:14 eadthem about probably 10$ for the FPGA  ish
04:14 CSMonster hey bats
04:14 speedrunnerg55 exor674: you here?
04:14 LeadHead Uh
04:14 eadthem and then someones got to program the thing witch   may or may not be a challange
04:15 LeadHead any good FPGA is going to run you a lot more than $10.
04:15 LeadHead A LOT more.
04:15 eadthem i can do it   but   id have to RTFM a lot to do it
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04:15 speedrunnerg55 XOR ?
04:15 speedrunnerg55 hi hubzcaps
04:15 speedrunnerg55 WB
04:15 eadthem so someone else might be faster for that
04:15 hubzcaps wuttup...
04:15 Cprossu_Laptop hrmmm
04:15 Cprossu_Laptop ADC-8032A
04:15 hubzcaps what am i lookin at
04:15 hubzcaps neat spectrum
04:15 Cprossu_Laptop *looks this up*
04:16 hubzcaps power meter???
04:16 eadthem if you find one that says digital YCrCb to SDI   then we have a winner
04:16 eadthem and a 2 chip no software solution
04:16 Cprossu_Laptop ooooh it's a complete product I see
04:16 hubzcaps AWSOME!!
04:17 eadthem ADC-8032A  i cant find  you have a link?
04:17 * Hydroelectric is studing for a chemistry exam which he doesn't want to do.
04:17 hubzcaps im installing HP pro curve switching ggear!!!
04:17 hubzcaps neat
04:17 speedrunnerg55 hubzcaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectorscope
04:18 * Hydroelectric is looking forward to doing physics in about 3 weeks. :-)
04:18 Hydroelectric @hubzcaps Our school justhad major packet drops due to the HP Procurve switches.
04:19 speedrunnerg55 packets like
04:19 speedrunnerg55 ip packets?
04:19 LeadHead Ramen
04:19 LeadHead actually.
04:19 Cprossu_Laptop eadthem: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CB0QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.datasheetcatalog.org%2Fdatasheets2%2F33%2F3344394_1.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=ADC-8032A&amp;ei=-471TbneLIrEgAf80tXaCw&amp;usg=AFQjCNHbkb5mCyA0HZZMjztDTTfi6qUWkQ&amp;cad=rja
04:19 Cprossu_Laptop it's a full on board solution
04:20 Cprossu_Laptop not what we are looking for but it will tell you how they did it
04:20 eadthem oooo shiny
04:20 Hydroelectric @hubzcaps http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1307938839854+28353475&amp;threadId=1121658
04:20 Hydroelectric @speedrunnerg55 Mainly explained within the link I posted.
04:21 Hydroelectric is now known as Hydroelectric-La
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04:22 eadthem Cprossu that boards got a high precison crystal  power supply  ADC  DAC    ram   a flash chip for firmware   prob a UC  and a DSP and or FPGA
04:23 eadthem U9 looks EEPROM ish   U4 looks flash firmware chip ish
04:23 eadthem u14 looks DSP ish
04:23 Cprossu_Laptop in other words...fuck.
04:24 eadthem not shure about U32  could be a analog something
04:24 Cprossu_Laptop lol they blacked out at least one of the chips
04:24 Cprossu_Laptop look
04:24 speedrunnerg55 imah try to transfer my data from dsi to 3ds
04:24 eadthem ya the U14 is defantly blacked over
04:24 Cprossu_Laptop they blacked out anything you could use to create your own lol
04:24 eadthem all the chips
04:24 eadthem hey did they black it out in adobe or in a photo editor :p
04:24 eadthem might beable to uncover them
04:25 eadthem naw there blacked out good
04:25 Cprossu_Laptop they even blacked over the crystal
04:25 BatSteve is now known as BatSteve-Away
04:26 BatSteve-Away night all
04:26 eadthem Cprossu http://www.google.com/search?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=VZH1TejDDIGbtwe0ldmDBw&amp;ved=0CDkQvwUoAQ&amp;q=composite+to+SDI+circuit+board&amp;spell=1&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=677
04:26 eadthem look familar
04:26 eadthem :p
04:26 Hydroelectric-La Night BatSteve.
04:27 speedrunnerg55 good night BatSteve-Away
04:29 eadthem ok Cprossu when i start reading things like adaptive comb filter and such
04:29 eadthem i think that its prob not possable
04:30 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LMH0340.html#Overview
04:30 Cprossu_Laptop hmmm
04:31 eadthem ya thats the other side to your analog devices ADC
04:31 eadthem we just need the software and FPGA in the middle
04:31 eadthem if it dosent need filtering than thats all we need   that and a good understanding of how SDI works and how composite works   as well as SMTPI
04:32 eadthem SMPTE
04:32 eadthem i need to sleep i got to get up for work
04:32 Cprossu_Laptop fuck.
04:32 eadthem i would bet that someoens made a all in 1 chip
04:32 eadthem i jsut dont know where
04:32 eadthem digikey and mouser  might be the next step
04:32 egrsteve http://www.analog.com/en/analog-to-digital-converters/video-decoders/adv7180/products/product.html
04:33 egrsteve it's close
04:33 eadthem thats just composit analog to composit digital
04:33 eadthem egrsteve how well do you know the composit and SDI protocals and signal layouts
04:34 egrsteve composite, fairly well, sdi I haven't looked into yet
04:34 eadthem i mean i dont   so far as i know composit is just NTSC but colors seperated out
04:34 eadthem SDI same data but digital   zero and ones padded
04:35 eadthem if we can get the information and the pepole together we can build one of these    but the thing i dont think we can do is comb filters
04:35 wannabe1987 wahoo i shaved a minute off my walk! :P
04:35 eadthem if they need them
04:35 eadthem off to bed cya tomarow
04:36 eadthem mmm is composit interlaced?
04:36 egrsteve yes
04:36 eadthem comb filtering is ment to de interlace it right
04:36 * Hydroelectric-La was just given a second hand Acer Aspire One laptop just then. Goodbye science study, hello Backtrack 5.
04:36 egrsteve it might be, i need sleep now though
04:37 eadthem same  cya
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04:37 wannabe1987 night lol
04:37 * speedrunnerg55 nitices hi has 1000 nintendo dsi ponts
04:37 speedrunnerg55 what should i buy'
04:38 speedrunnerg55 notices
04:39 wannabe1987 what can you buy?
04:39 speedrunnerg55 nintendo dsi games
04:39 speedrunnerg55 10$ worth
04:39 speedrunnerg55 annyone know of anny specific titles
04:40 speedrunnerg55 that are good
04:40 wannabe1987 zelda phantom hourglass
04:40 wannabe1987 its the only one i have/know of
04:40 wannabe1987 i don't have a ds tho
04:40 speedrunnerg55 ....oops
04:40 speedrunnerg55 dsi ware
04:40 wannabe1987 ?
04:40 speedrunnerg55 donloadable games
04:40 speedrunnerg55 just for the dsi
04:41 wannabe1987 thats what my siblings have, dsi
04:41 egrsteve left #thegeekgroup
04:41 speedrunnerg55 nintendo joined the digital distrabution age a wille back
04:42 Hydroelectric-La I have a PSP unfortunatly. Fun to hack though...
04:43 Hydroelectric-La @speedrunnerg55 Just like Sony and their Playstation Store.
04:43 speedrunnerg55 i want to run windows on my dsi
04:44 Hydroelectric-La Which version?
04:44 speedrunnerg55 3.1
04:44 speedrunnerg55 idk
04:44 speedrunnerg55 whatever i can
04:44 Kafka why windows on it?
04:44 Hydroelectric-La That's good as I can't get anything above XP to become portable.
04:44 speedrunnerg55 or even puppy linux
04:44 Kafka I know there's a port of linux to NDS already
04:44 speedrunnerg55 really?
04:45 Kafka and drivers for the NDS touchpad exist in linux
04:45 speedrunnerg55 how can i run it?
04:45 speedrunnerg55 dooes it require homebrew channel?
04:45 Kafka you put it on a DS flash cart and use a GBA flash cart as swap
04:45 Hydroelectric-La I wouldn't mind a Gingoo Digital: http://revision3.com/hak5/thereisapoint
04:45 speedrunnerg55 or a hacked cart
04:45 Hydroelectric-La Dingoo*.
04:46 Kafka I don't think there's any WMs ported yet, though
04:46 speedrunnerg55 i saw 3.1 in dsi
04:46 Kafka honestly, there'll probably need to be one just for DS due to the touchscreen
04:47 Kafka touchscreen is keyboard on NDS linux last I saw
04:47 Kafka speedrunnerg55: pretty much any OS that'll run on ARM can be ported to NDS
04:47 speedrunnerg55 arm thats...power managment?
04:48 Kafka windows on NDS... seems like there'd need to be some emulation going on
04:48 Hydroelectric-La Try BT5, thatnow supports ARM processing.
04:48 Kafka ARM, the CPU architecture
04:48 speedrunnerg55 oh
04:48 speedrunnerg55 it can slow itself down
04:48 speedrunnerg55 wasnt that replaced by energy star?
04:48 Kafka no
04:48 speedrunnerg55 ....oh
04:48 Kafka it's a CPU architecture
04:49 Kafka a 32 bit RISC architecture
04:49 Kafka the NDS has a 67MHz ARM9 and a 33MHZ ARM7, making it awkward to port things to
04:50 Kafka also, 4MB of RAM, hence the need for a GBA cart to use as swap
04:50 Kafka if you want any meaningful, modern OS on there you'll need more than that
04:50 speedrunnerg55 oh
04:50 speedrunnerg55 what about the 3ds
04:50 Kafka I'm pretty sure you'd need to emulate some x86 machine to run windows 3.1, though
04:51 Cprossu_Laptop my god (sticks fork in eye)
04:51 Kafka 3ds also uses ARM
04:51 Kafka two 266MHz ARM11s, iirc
04:51 Cprossu_Laptop why cant there be a $3 chinese piece of crap adapter to take composite video and magically make it sdi =(
04:52 speedrunnerg55 HOLY CRAP there was pikmin carrying my files from my dsi to the 4ds
04:52 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: because you need a whole computer to do that :)
04:52 speedrunnerg55 3ds
04:52 Cprossu_Laptop Kafka: I know =(
04:53 Kafka gamecube also has a port of linux that's fairly usable
04:53 Cprossu_Laptop our nice gvg m2100 accepts SDI only, Kafka
04:53 Kafka it's pretty much PPC linux with some extra drivers
04:53 speedrunnerg55 i wonder what the gamecube can run
04:53 LeadHead shit all
04:53 speedrunnerg55 or the wii
04:54 Hydroelectric-La How about porting uCLinux?
04:54 Cprossu_Laptop got any solutions for ~6-8 feeds that doesn't cost thousands of dollars?
04:54 Kafka gamecube's actually a fairly powerful machine
04:54 LeadHead Bleh, Xbox 1 stomps all over it. <500 MHz PPC is dreadful
04:54 Kafka LeadHead: no, the gamecube was far superior to the first xbox
04:54 LeadHead Nonesense
04:55 Cprossu_Laptop LeadHead: 20 years from now gamecubes will still be running.
04:55 speedrunnerg55 lol
04:55 Hydroelectric-La Haha.
04:55 speedrunnerg55 i still have a running gc
04:55 LeadHead and they'll be just as lame as ever
04:55 speedrunnerg55 and n64
04:55 Cprossu_Laptop well no one will know, LeadHead
04:55 LeadHead I have a gamecube.
04:55 speedrunnerg55 nn64 <3
04:55 LeadHead I can speak.
04:55 Cprossu_Laptop as all the xbox360's will be dead
04:55 LeadHead IT had a few good games
04:55 Kafka LeadHead: I'd rather have a 486MHz PCC than a 733MHZ pentium III any day
04:55 LeadHead rest were crap
04:56 Cprossu_Laptop so come 2031 the "vintage" games will be on systems like gamecube
04:56 Kafka LeadHead: clock speed means little when you're comparing RISC and CISC processors
04:56 Kafka that PPC outperforms that pentium anyday
04:56 LeadHead and if my experience with iMac G3s mean anything
04:56 LeadHead It's slow as shit
04:56 Cprossu_Laptop because the only xbox's that will be running are the ones that were never plugged in.
04:57 Kafka LeadHead: which is why all the top supercomputers from IBM use what's essentially a beefier version of PPC
04:57 Kafka right?
04:57 Cprossu_Laptop and good luck with the software
04:57 Cprossu_Laptop I think there will still be some PS2's kicking around though
04:57 LeadHead Because IBM is pretty much the sole developer of PPC?
04:57 LeadHead They have a lot invested in PowerPC
04:57 Kafka LeadHead: clock per clock PPC is worlds better than x86
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop LeadHead: have you ever written an assembly program for an x86?
04:58 LeadHead Nope
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop then stfu.
04:58 LeadHead Don't plan to
04:58 Kafka LeadHead: I assure you, the CPU in the gamecube blows away the one in the first xbox handily
04:58 LeadHead Nope.
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop I'm going with Kafka on this one LeadHead
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop instructions per clock and all
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop the CPU is not what made the xbox
04:58 Cprossu_Laptop it was the neutered Geforce3
04:59 LeadHead actually GeForce 3/4 hybrid
04:59 Cprossu_Laptop neutered GF3
04:59 Kafka LeadHead: interesting bit of trivia... the commodore 64 had a fastewr CPU than the first IBM PC
04:59 speedrunnerg55 o_o
05:00 Kafka 8086 was a 16 bit CPU that had to be talked to 8 bits at a time
05:01 Cprossu_Laptop what was funny about the 8088 that was in the original PC
05:01 Cprossu_Laptop was if you did a dir of a hdd
05:01 Cprossu_Laptop it would get to the end calulating the space
05:01 Cprossu_Laptop and spend like 5-15 seconds caclulating it!
05:01 speedrunnerg55 and im programming an 80856
05:01 speedrunnerg55 8085
05:02 speedrunnerg55 i fell behind
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop the 8085 is a 8080
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop essentially
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop different chip.
05:02 speedrunnerg55 i still feel behind
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop the 8080 was supposed to be an implementation of................was it a cash register?!
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop I can never remember
05:02 Cprossu_Laptop but either way the original customers of intel
05:03 speedrunnerg55 8085 has 6 registers
05:03 speedrunnerg55 idk
05:03 Cprossu_Laptop built their product with discreet logic
05:03 Cprossu_Laptop and left intel with the IP
05:03 Cprossu_Laptop that they gained from making the 8080
05:03 Cprossu_Laptop then Altair happened and the rest is history
05:03 Cprossu_Laptop Kafka: how wrong am I here?
05:04 speedrunnerg55 wasnt the latair the bigest leep in computers
05:04 Cprossu_Laptop not exactly
05:04 speedrunnerg55 ...
05:04 Cprossu_Laptop it was a leap in... OMG WE CAN HAVE ONE
05:04 Cprossu_Laptop but technologically
05:04 Cprossu_Laptop .... it didn't do anything!
05:04 speedrunnerg55 i thought it was 10x faster than its predisesor
05:04 Cprossu_Laptop ...... what predisessor?
05:04 speedrunnerg55 idk
05:05 Cprossu_Laptop the whole point of the altair was it was a COMPUTER you could OWN
05:05 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: jiffycoil on uses of rayon.....Tarsman013 on Electric Sportscar Conversion
05:05 Cprossu_Laptop back when computer meant mainframe
05:05 Cprossu_Laptop or put simply 'fucking expensive'
05:05 speedrunnerg55 mainfraim lol
05:05 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: well, the 8080 marked the shift from computer companies making everything to computer companies using parts from other companies, didn't it?
05:06 Cprossu_Laptop well the main thing that sparked it was intel had this....thing
05:06 Cprossu_Laptop which was utterly useless
05:06 Cprossu_Laptop so they marketed it
05:06 wannabe1987 speedrunnerg55 you were so cute as a child!
05:07 Cprossu_Laptop but intel got paid by the original client
05:07 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: OOH! something I remembered yesterday... the gameboy used a z80
05:07 Cprossu_Laptop for their work and stuff
05:07 speedrunnerg55 ?
05:07 wannabe1987 someone posted pictures of you as a child on fv
05:07 Cprossu_Laptop Kafka: and your TI 83 too
05:07 wannabe1987 fb*
05:07 speedrunnerg55 she asked me before posting
05:07 Cprossu_Laptop and 85 and 86 and 84
05:08 speedrunnerg55 one of those was osted before
05:08 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: which means I'm gonna have to play with that... see what I can make run properly on the gameboy
05:08 wannabe1987 so?
05:08 speedrunnerg55 posted
05:08 wannabe1987 i didn't see them :p
05:08 Cprossu_Laptop but my HP 48G has a custom CPU, Kafka :)
05:08 speedrunnerg55 i wouldnt wexect u to
05:08 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: :C
05:08 Cprossu_Laptop oh and I have a computer with
05:08 Cprossu_Laptop 2 Z80'S CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
05:09 Cprossu_Laptop it's a heathkit H-89
05:09 Cprossu_Laptop xD
05:09 Kafka I can beleive it :)
05:09 Kafka mostly because I'm planning on making one
05:09 Cprossu_Laptop one is running the terminal, one is running the computer part of it
05:09 speedrunnerg55 well werent wee all cute when we are young?
05:09 Cprossu_Laptop no
05:09 Hydroelectric-La Haha.
05:10 Cprossu_Laptop Just listen to captain's comments about his younger self
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05:10 speedrunnerg55 ...what was he?
05:11 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: I totally want to make a 2-way z80 box
05:11 Kafka even better if it's all on one board
05:11 Cprossu_Laptop so Kafka build, program, and test 8 Composite NTSC to SDI converters, would you? :D
05:11 Cprossu_Laptop no? damn.
05:11 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: maybe somtime
05:11 Cprossu_Laptop hehheheh
05:12 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: right now I'm more into PCM :p
05:13 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: DACs are a very profitable thing to learn to build. The markup you can put on audio equipment is phenominal
05:14 Kafka and for audio equipment, opamps and DACs are the two most important things to know how to make and use
05:15 Cprossu_Laptop holy crap
05:15 Cprossu_Laptop http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-DME-7000-DIGITAL-MULTI-EFFECTS-SYSTEM-SDI-VIDEO-/230633405364?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item35b2d27bb4
05:15 Cprossu_Laptop can you say forcibly removed?
05:15 Kafka although knowing how to roll caps and manufacture graphite resistors is also a nice skill to have
05:15 Cprossu_Laptop look at the back rofl
05:16 LeadHead Someone must have been very impatient
05:16 LeadHead taking that unit out of service
05:17 Kafka you know you're an audio geek when you start making your own resistors for your equipment
05:18 Kafka because you can't find ones to suit your needs for any reasonable price
05:19 Kafka and when you fret over the placement of transistors... you've pretty much gone to the end of the rabbit hole
05:20 speedrunnerg55 streams off air
05:20 * Kafka should have been an EE major
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05:21 * speedrunnerg55 dosent have a clue what he want to do in life
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05:21 Cprossu_Laptop awwww
05:22 wannabe1987 speedrunnerg55 neither do i!!!!!
05:22 wannabe1987 so frustrating
05:22 Cprossu_Laptop ChrisBoden: stream's dead
05:22 Hydroelectric-La Mine just died.
05:22 speedrunnerg55 mine died a minute ago
05:23 speedrunnerg55 now to have a sence of the lagtency
05:23 speedrunnerg55 Hydroelectric-La: ohhh ur in LA?
05:23 Cprossu_Laptop BotSteve: tell CaptainBoden stream's dead, 05:21 Zulu, 06/13/2011
05:23 BotSteve Cprossu_Laptop: I'll pass that on when CaptainBoden is around.
05:24 speedrunnerg55 lol zullu time
05:25 Hydroelectric-La @speedrunnerg55 Australia.
05:25 speedrunnerg55 even farther
05:25 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: HURD, instead of kernel panics, has people buying farms and EIEIOs
05:25 speedrunnerg55 ohhh
05:26 Cprossu_Laptop Kafka: wasn't there a dead cow in a specific kernel panic?
05:26 Cprossu_Laptop yellowdog perhaps I don't remember
05:26 Kafka Cprossu_Laptop: unsure
05:27 Cprossu_Laptop no it was PA-RISC linux
05:27 Cprossu_Laptop let me find it
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05:28 Cprossu_Laptop http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/xzgM1ThYAZFScGFdp6xwJc.jpg
05:28 Cprossu_Laptop ^ Kafka
05:28 Cprossu_Laptop xD
05:31 speedrunnerg55 ascii art FTW
05:32 wannabe1987 botsteve: should i eat ice cream
05:32 BotSteve Maybe
05:32 speedrunnerg55 holly crap!!!!!
05:32 speedrunnerg55 i googledasciiart
05:32 Kafka ah, yes
05:32 speedrunnerg55 i googled acii art
05:32 Kafka now google recursion
05:32 speedrunnerg55 ___                _  / __|___  ___  __ _| |___  | (_ / _ \/ _ \/ _` |   -_)  \___\___/\___/\__, |_\___|                |___/
05:32 speedrunnerg55 fail
05:32 speedrunnerg55 ....google it andlook at the google logo
05:33 wannabe1987 is that supposed to be "google"?
05:33 speedrunnerg55 yes
05:33 wannabe1987 ah. i had to change my screen size for it to show but cool
05:33 wannabe1987 botsteve: should i eat ice cream
05:33 BotSteve Absolutely
05:34 wannabe1987 YAY
05:34 speedrunnerg55 http://www.google.com/search?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;biw=954&amp;bih=698&amp;q=ascii%20art&amp;gs_sm=s&amp;gs_upl=-1307943267612l-1307943267612l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=iw
05:34 speedrunnerg55 look at googles logo
05:35 speedrunnerg55 101010101 ?
05:35 speedrunnerg55 lol
05:35 wannabe1987 BINARY
05:35 wannabe1987 ...
05:35 wannabe1987 x.x
05:35 speedrunnerg55 lol
05:35 Cprossu_Laptop doesn't happen with me if I just google it
05:35 speedrunnerg55 google web search it
05:35 speedrunnerg55 not immage
05:36 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&amp;tab=ww#hl=en&amp;sugexp=ldymls&amp;xhr=t&amp;q=ascii+art&amp;cp=7&amp;pf=p&amp;sclient=psy&amp;safe=off&amp;site=webhp&amp;source=hp&amp;aq=0&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=ascii+a&amp;pbx=1&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7ff7d408b5d36764&biw=789&bih=378
05:36 Cprossu_Laptop nothing happened
05:37 speedrunnerg55 http://www.google.com/search?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;biw=954&amp;bih=698&amp;q=ascii%20art&amp;gs_sm=s&amp;gs_upl=-1307943267612l-1307943267612l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=iw#sclient=psy&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;source=hp&amp;q=ascii+art&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=g-e5&amp;aql=f&amp;oq=&amp;pbx=1&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=4fb2a7fa4afe0265&biw=954&bih=698
05:37 speedrunnerg55 stuff happening
05:37 Cprossu_Laptop your link has the funky google
05:37 Cprossu_Laptop but mine does not when I straight google it
05:37 speedrunnerg55 :)
05:37 speedrunnerg55 :(
05:37 Cprossu_Laptop perhaps you have a setting set
05:37 speedrunnerg55 chrome?
05:37 speedrunnerg55 im using
05:38 Cprossu_Laptop FF
05:38 * speedrunnerg55 talksreally fast
05:38 speedrunnerg55 talksreally*
05:38 Cprossu_Laptop I think I have chrome on this perhaps let me check
05:39 Cprossu_Laptop nope removed it
05:40 LinuxH4x0r woot
05:40 LinuxH4x0r got $30 for my old iBook
05:40 LinuxH4x0r lol
05:40 Cprossu g3?
05:40 LinuxH4x0r aye
05:40 LinuxH4x0r plus $20 shipping
05:40 Cprossu clamshell or white?
05:40 LinuxH4x0r so really like $40
05:40 LinuxH4x0r clamshell
05:41 Cprossu lol that guy got ripped off
05:41 LinuxH4x0r yep!
05:41 LinuxH4x0r that pays for...
05:41 LinuxH4x0r 1 trip to albuquerque and back :/
05:41 LinuxH4x0r I need to build my electric car
05:41 LinuxH4x0r diesel is killing me
05:41 Cprossu Still, I'd rather be stuck using a Mac SE than a clamshell ibook
05:42 LinuxH4x0r haha
05:42 Cprossu it's more portable and it's faster
05:42 LinuxH4x0r I need to sell my IIci and IIfx
05:42 speedrunnerg55 wannabe1987: you ever  "telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl"?
05:42 Cprossu keep those
05:42 wannabe1987 no
05:42 Cprossu you'll be glad you did
05:42 LinuxH4x0r why?
05:42 LinuxH4x0r you want them?
05:42 speedrunnerg55 enter that in cmd
05:42 Cprossu any extranious money I have is going to either tgg projects or.... food
05:43 LinuxH4x0r I'll send them to you for the price of shipping
05:43 Cprossu man it's not every day you get a chance at an fx either
05:43 LinuxH4x0r idk if they work or anything though
05:43 Cprossu nothing to go wrong with an FX
05:43 LinuxH4x0r got anything cool to trade to cover shipping?
05:44 Cprossu I'm thinking on everything
05:44 Cprossu it sucks that a IIfx won't fit in a flat rate
05:44 speedrunnerg55 for some reason i cant tellnet
05:44 LinuxH4x0r yeah
05:44 speedrunnerg55 :(
05:44 Cprossu hell a IIsi won't either
05:44 Cprossu lol
05:44 Cprossu or even a pizza box lx
05:44 speedrunnerg55 i want to watch cli starwarzzzzz
05:45 Cprossu *lc
05:45 Cprossu when they make 20" long flate rate boxes I'll send you something cool though rofl
05:45 LinuxH4x0r haha
05:46 LinuxH4x0r i just sold the top half of a 15" macbook pro
05:46 LinuxH4x0r and its just barely to big to fit :(
05:46 Cprossu I've started to clean my collection of mistreated cheaply bought model M's
05:47 Cprossu I think I'll be able to put 15 fully functional no keys missing keyboards
05:47 LinuxH4x0r i think my g3 imac might be next on the list of things to get rid of
05:47 LinuxH4x0r makes a decent alarm clock :P
05:47 Cprossu lol just use the timed power on, LinuxH4x0r
05:47 LinuxH4x0r i guess that works
05:47 Cprossu the hdd and fan makes enough noise to wake the dead
05:48 LinuxH4x0r I was in the dorms and didn't care how much power it sucked down
05:48 LinuxH4x0r naw
05:48 LinuxH4x0r it sleeps very quietly
05:48 Cprossu well all the imacs I saw were abuseddddd
05:48 Cprossu they were even tray imacs
05:48 Cprossu to tell you how old they were
05:49 Cprossu man those things SUCKED./
05:49 LinuxH4x0r haha
05:49 LinuxH4x0r yeah
05:49 wannabe1987 >.<  the poor astin
05:50 wannabe1987 aston*
05:50 Cprossu slower than dirt, unexpandable, and one of the worst mice I have ever attempted to use since packard bell had it's wave-y mouse out
05:50 wannabe1987 and alfa romero...
05:50 Cprossu wannabe1987: did the aston martin in the lemans race finally croak?
05:50 wannabe1987 i don't know
05:50 Cprossu I haven't paid any attention to it
05:51 wannabe1987 i'm watching bond
05:51 wannabe1987 james bond
05:51 Cprossu but 24 hours of le mons was today
05:51 wannabe1987 quantom solace
05:51 wannabe1987 i know it was
05:51 wannabe1987 i don't have any way to watch it :(
05:51 wannabe1987 :'(
05:51 wannabe1987 i can't watch those cars crash...
05:51 wannabe1987 SO MUCH MONEY
05:52 Cprossu ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrVawBF9WNCoHtmt00MHr__rhLX5rwcDjttQuEvLphxdhrUKoraA&amp;t=1
05:52 Cprossu apple =P
05:52 speedrunnerg55 flipper hands
05:53 Cprossu http://home.comcast.net/~Nessim1/appleiigs-1303348722-9564.jpg
05:53 Cprossu ^ best of the ball apple mice
05:54 speedrunnerg55 ohh
05:54 LinuxH4x0r eww
05:54 LinuxH4x0r i never liked mice much
05:54 speedrunnerg55 ilike the box shaped design
05:54 LinuxH4x0r but I love the trackpad on my MacBook
05:54 Cprossu it was the very first ADS mouse
05:54 speedrunnerg55 but flipper buttion
05:54 speedrunnerg55 i dont like
05:55 Cprossu which means it wasn't a mac thing! heh
05:56 wannabe1987 fun geography facts: When the Panama Canal was originally proposed, many were reluctant to vote for the idea because they were concerned that South America might float away. There were no geologists on the planning committee.  LOL
05:56 Hydroelectric-La ...
05:56 Cprossu sounds false to me
05:56 * LinuxH4x0r agrees
05:57 wannabe1987 its still funny
05:57 Hydroelectric-La is now known as Hydro-AspireOne
05:57 Cprossu for something to be funny to a geek it helps for it to be factual
05:57 speedrunnerg55 float away?!
05:57 speedrunnerg55 thats just stupid
05:57 wannabe1987 ye, yes it is
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06:01 Cprossu for an instance
06:01 Cprossu some of the scientists at los alamos were taking bets when they set trinity up
06:01 Cprossu on whether or not the bomb would ignite the atmosphere
06:02 Hydro-AspireOne Haha.
06:02 Cprossu or rather I should call it "the gadget"
06:02 Cprossu but it's a bet I'd take
06:02 Cprossu happy to collect on it and/or happy to be alive to pay it off
06:03 LeadHead I wonder if the Russians told anyone
06:03 LeadHead about the Tsar bomb test
06:05 speedrunnerg55 told annyone?
06:05 LeadHead Warned anyone before the test.
06:05 speedrunnerg55 oh
06:05 speedrunnerg55 lol
06:05 LinuxH4x0r LANL scientists aren't exactly the smartest bunch
06:05 Cprossu oh that was good
06:05 Cprossu �Edward Teller had thought about it, the chance that the atomic explosion would light up the surrounding air and that this conflagration would then propagate itself around the world. Some of the bomb makers had even calculated the numerical odds of this actually happening, coming up with the figure of three chances in a million they�d incinerate the Earth. Nevertheless, they went ahead and exploded the bomb.�
06:05 dr_jkl rrrrgh
06:05 Cprossu they were pretty good though
06:06 dr_jkl HAM gear is fucking expensive.
06:06 LinuxH4x0r yeah
06:06 Cprossu I FUCKING KNOW =(
06:06 dr_jkl I still want a license even if i can't afford it tho. ^.^;
06:06 LinuxH4x0r what are you looking for?
06:06 dr_jkl idk yet.
06:06 Cprossu hey echolink is free
06:06 Cprossu and once you know what you are looking for
06:06 Cprossu you can often score it
06:06 Cprossu this is what hamfests are for
06:07 dr_jkl i read the manual for the yaesu that's been floating around in the vids
06:07 dr_jkl i really like that idea.
06:07 LeadHead The Tsar Bomb heat was so intense
06:07 dr_jkl but it's like 5-6 bills
06:07 LeadHead it could cause 3rd degree burns 60 miles away
06:07 dr_jkl but!
06:07 dr_jkl i'm not even at that stage yet.
06:07 LinuxH4x0r I scored my ft-530 for $60
06:07 LinuxH4x0r its cheap if you know where to look
06:07 Cprossu I damn near scored an AT-600 for $40
06:07 Cprossu I still might
06:07 dr_jkl i think in another week or two i should be ready to go find an exam
06:08 LinuxH4x0r and my ft-2500m was free with a $4000 truck
06:09 LinuxH4x0r I had a pdf that showed how to unlock most radios
06:09 speedrunnerg55 wasnt the tsar bomb test like 1/2 of its ull capability?
06:09 LinuxH4x0r but idk where it went
06:10 LeadHead The design capacity was 100mt
06:10 LeadHead they tested at 50
06:10 speedrunnerg55 ye
06:10 speedrunnerg55 which is insane
06:10 Cprossu now the real question, is does the truck still run, LinuxH4x0r
06:11 LinuxH4x0r yep
06:11 Cprossu then it was a good deal lol
06:11 LinuxH4x0r 96 suburban 2500 6.5 turbo diesel
06:11 LinuxH4x0r got it for less that trade in value :D
06:12 LinuxH4x0r with only 45k miles
06:12 LinuxH4x0r 61 now
06:12 LinuxH4x0r that would be one expensive radio if it didn't
06:16 speedrunnerg55 i have to go to ged
06:16 speedrunnerg55 bye everyone!
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06:16 LinuxH4x0r night
06:17 speedrunnerg55 bed*
06:19 Hydro-AspireOne Night speedrunnerg55.
06:21 Cprossu night speedrunnerg55
06:21 dr_jkl hmm.
06:22 dr_jkl ...
06:22 dr_jkl i really, really hope those are firecrackers and not a LEO turning someone into a pencil.
06:25 LeadHead wut
06:25 LeadHead you mean turning someone into swiss cheese
06:25 dr_jkl no, into a pencil.
06:25 dr_jkl they're only swiss cheese if they're all through-and-throughs.
06:26 dr_jkl oh
06:26 LinuxH4x0r i think you mean puddle
06:26 * dr_jkl is unimpressed
06:27 dr_jkl the noise is actually people up the road fishing with explosives in the canal that runs behind my house.
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06:27 LinuxH4x0r they fire until there is a mess of indistinguishable organs on the ground
06:28 speed-3ds hi felt like stoppin by before i went to bed
06:28 LinuxH4x0r hi
06:29 speed-3ds :)
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06:31 LinuxH4x0r bleh
06:31 LinuxH4x0r I was built for minnesota cold
06:31 LinuxH4x0r not new mexican heat
06:32 LinuxH4x0r i'm seriously considering going for a ride in my truck just to use the ac
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06:37 wannabe1987 HELLO!?  ANYONE AWAKE/HOME
06:38 asnopus_ yO
06:38 wannabe1987 sup asnopus_...you have tail!
06:38 asnopus_ :P
06:38 wannabe1987 furry?
06:39 asnopus_ No
06:39 wannabe1987 alright
06:41 wannabe1987 i figured out dinner :D
06:41 Kafka wannabe1987: wait, that's a thing people do? have underscores as tails?
06:41 Cprossu night!
06:42 wannabe1987 i don't know Kafka
06:42 wannabe1987 night Cprossu
06:43 asnopus_ Kafka: Trillian or IRC (donty know which one) puts an underscore if theres a duplicate or your name
06:43 Kafka asnopus_: I know
06:43 Kafka it's just that I'd jokingly heard that underscore as a tail thing before
06:43 asnopus_ Ah
06:44 wannabe1987 i don't remember where it started, here i think
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07:37 wannabe1987 night
07:37 asnopus Night
07:38 wannabe1987 you lost your tail :D  congrats
07:38 asnopus I'm a gecko :P
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09:23 kingofmetal how long does it take to get a activation mail from the website to login ?
09:28 Sgt_Lemming 1 generic string unit
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09:30 Sgt_Lemming http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14427 <--- do want
09:32 Sgt_Lemming brushless motor capable of ~18KW
09:38 Thermoelectric That's a rather large amount of energy
09:51 Sgt_Lemming indeed
09:51 Sgt_Lemming now to put that in a fighting robot spinning a 5Kg toothed drum :-P
09:52 Thermoelectric Heehee
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12:12 Lanther power went out :c
12:12 Lanther on backup generator now
12:13 Lanther ah, looks like we're connected to this shit excuse for a grid again
12:13 Lanther nice
12:13 Thermoelectric That bites.
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13:09 Python hello world
13:09 asnopus Hey
13:13 kingofmetal what the time around there ?
13:13 Python here ?
13:13 kingofmetal yeah
13:13 asnopus tis 9:11AM in Grand Rapids
13:14 kingofmetal AM is in the morning right ?
13:14 asnopus Yep
13:14 kingofmetal okey xD
13:15 exor674 ...
13:16 Python whats up with the livestream ? are they trying out an overlay box ?
13:16 Python (overnight)
13:17 kingofmetal donnow
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13:22 speedrunnerG55_ Hi
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13:25 kingofmetal hi
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14:25 speedrunnerG55 Hi PP___
14:25 PP___ Hi @ all
14:31 * speedrunnerG55 high fives PP___
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14:51 tonsofpcs Saw your video linked by Wheatstone -- you should be able to use the 8282s to compress the audio for your web stream.  Unless you're also modulating the audio into an FM channel, you want Preemphasis disabled.  Two band mode is likely enough for your needs.  Manuals @ ftp://ftp.orban.com/8282/
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15:00 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs what video and who are you talking to?
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15:03 tonsofpcs *grabs link*
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15:05 tonsofpcs http://thegeekgroup.org/2011/06/12/captains-log-wheatstone-tv-600-load-in/ is the video.  And I'm talking to anyone who is interested :)
15:05 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Power Wheels Robot
15:05 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:
15:05 BotSteve Captain's Blog 6-12-11 Master Control Fun and Wheatstone Restoration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWvRNJTtdR0
15:06 * tonsofpcs thinks this is an awesome idea and wishes he were closer.  Would love to help out.
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15:20 tonsofpcs apparently they already got that done :)
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15:29 mashpriborintorg hello
15:30 Two-Times-P Hi there!
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15:39 Seroster Crap
15:39 Seroster Really nice amperemeter, 0-30amps... DC.
15:40 Seroster Building a power supply atm, and I'd love to have a built in ampmeter.
15:40 Seroster But... Rectify 230volts, run it through the meter and then inverting it..... No
15:54 speedrunnerG55 Hi Seroster
15:56 Seroster Hi speedrunnerG55
15:57 speedrunnerG55 Whats up
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16:04 SparkyProjects Seroster, i don't see there's a problem about adding an ammeter
16:04 Seroster One rated for DC
16:04 SparkyProjects Are you trying to make an AC power supply, but use a DC ammeter ?
16:05 Seroster I am making an AC test PSU, and that particular ammeter, that I didnt buy, was rated for dc :c
16:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Radioactive on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists.....Bill Jones on Rifftrax
16:07 SparkyProjects OK, if you didn't buy it, it doesn't matter
16:07 SparkyProjects But if you had a DC meter laying around, and if it used a shuunt, you could rectify the output of the shunt before it feds into the meter, then recalibrate
16:08 Seroster Eh
16:08 Seroster =P
16:08 Seroster It was a damn nice ammeter, would have looked great
16:11 Cprossu_Laptop good morning dudes
16:11 Seroster Ahoy cprossu
16:12 Cprossu_Laptop I see the strean magically came back up
16:13 Seroster If magic == Hard work and cursing then yes =P
16:14 speedrunnerG55 Good morning Cprossu
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16:14 speedrunnerG55 Lol Seroster
16:15 Seroster That is the problem I have with all magic, it negates work
16:15 Seroster Thank god for your food! Eh. I bought it. Fuck that.
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16:16 Cprossu_Laptop and it's frustrating as hell too, Seroster
16:16 Seroster What?
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16:18 Cprossu_Laptop [09:15] <Seroster> That is the problem I have with all magic, it negates work
16:19 Seroster Reading a thread on a swedish forum about "Behind the scenes, what the company doesnt want the customers to know"
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16:19 Seroster And it didnt take more than a few pages until "Semen in the sauce" came up
16:19 Seroster Either every single chef faps in his kitchen.. Or people are stupid
16:21 Cprossu what in the world Seroster?!
16:21 Seroster Never heard that myth?
16:21 Cprossu no.
16:21 Seroster "My friends friend heard from someone that some pizzeria got closed by the autoroties after they found semen in the garlic sauce!"
16:21 Cprossu nope, can't say I ever heard that
16:22 Seroster It is pretty common in the "Yucky behind the scenes" threads
16:22 Cprossu I usually hear pee if anything
16:22 Seroster I've read that myth a thousand times
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16:22 Seroster And I have never seen a report from the health inspection
16:23 Cprossu and you won't
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16:23 Cprossu it's not like they 'test' for it
16:23 Seroster Yeah
16:23 Seroster They just "Lets put some sauce in a microscope and see if we can find ONE sperm in this 0.0005 milliliter sample!"
16:24 LeadHead I feel as if I'm missing a very important piece of context here.
16:24 Cprossu not that long ago there was a real case of a dominos that the guy was spitting into the pizzas and was dumb enough to upload the video to youtube
16:24 Seroster You have a gallon of sauce, you fap a tablespoon into it, and somehow this can be found by authoroties?
16:24 Seroster Leadhead, the myth about semen in sauce
16:24 Seroster .log
16:24 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
16:24 Cprossu I fucking give up
16:24 Seroster Hehe
16:24 * eightbitbrad is not even gonna ask.
16:24 Cprossu because Seroster came up with this shit out of the blue
16:25 Seroster cprossu is the video still there? xD
16:25 eightbitbrad On the bright side, I picked up a pair of C64s over the weekend for the low, low price of... free!
16:25 Cprossu nice, eightbitbrad
16:25 LeadHead I wasn't aware that there was an on going myth about people cranking one off into sauce.
16:25 Cprossu same here, LeadHead
16:26 eightbitbrad now, I need to check and see if either of them power on.  Unfortunately, no floppy drive, but I got a tape drive.
16:26 Cprossu you can power up a c64 without anything
16:26 Cprossu do you have the power bricks?
16:26 LeadHead and unless they are the kind of people that only last 5 seconds, I can't imagine someone not seeing them pull their johnson out
16:26 LeadHead and jerk furiously into a pot on a stove.
16:27 eightbitbrad well yeah, I know that, it just woulda been nice to get the drive.
16:27 Cprossu sounds like a good way to get burned, LeadHead
16:27 eightbitbrad I have one power brick... so my experiment begins tonight
16:27 Cprossu I'll keep an eye out for you
16:27 LeadHead are C64s worth anything?
16:27 Cprossu no.
16:27 Seroster LeadHead, I think it is about cold sauce,
16:27 eightbitbrad I doubt it... nostalgia value for me.
16:28 Cprossu are yours the newer style white ones or the brown ones?
16:28 Two-Times-P They are worth quite a bit in  here in denmark
16:28 Seroster And if you are pathetic enough to fap in sauce you probably won't last longer than a second or two, and it will probably bea tiny one =P
16:28 eightbitbrad these are the ancient brown ones.  The white ones we 64Cs I think
16:28 Cprossu I have both laying around
16:29 Cprossu I have a c128 too
16:29 Two-Times-P nice
16:29 Two-Times-P I have 2 C64 and a Amiga A500
16:29 Cprossu and a really beat up non-working amiga 2000
16:30 LeadHead It's too bad Commodore let the Amiga fall so far behind
16:30 LeadHead They were ahead of their time for quite a long time
16:30 Cprossu the magic juice left the battery on the A2000
16:30 Two-Times-P yup
16:30 Cprossu and it's gonna take me time to fix it
16:30 Cprossu my Apple/mac collection is pretty cool though
16:31 eightbitbrad My first apple experience was a IIe in grade school
16:32 eightbitbrad Then in high school, the library had a couple of Performas.
16:32 eightbitbrad My own first Apple was the old CRT iMac
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16:33 LeadHead My apple collection is a IIGS, 80MB external SCSI drive, apple floppy drive, and a broken Macintosh LCii
16:34 Two-Times-P All i've ever had whith an apple on it is my iPhone..
16:35 Cprossu I've got an AppleII+, 3 AppleIIe's(2 regular, one platnium) 2 AppleIIGS's, a Mac 512K, 3 Mac Plus's, 2 Mac SE's, A Mac portable, a Mac IIsi, a Mac IIci, a Mac IIcx, a Mac IIvx 2 Quadra 950's, a Mac LC, a Mac LIII, a Mac 'performa' pizza box 476, a mac quadra 880AV, a powermac 7100, a powermac G3 (desktop), and a few others I missed I am sure
16:35 Seroster Lol! =D
16:35 Two-Times-P Omg..
16:36 * tonsofpcs has a //c, a IIgs, a PowerBook 170, a C=64, an A2000, an A2500, an A3000 w/ Toaster, an A4000 w/ Toaster+Flyer + drive tower, a Compaq Portable III, a ...
16:36 Cprossu I forgot the //c's
16:36 Cprossu I have 3, one is a parts unit
16:36 tonsofpcs I have a //c with bad RAM around somewhere too.
16:36 Cprossu my dead //c had a power supply asplosion
16:37 tonsofpcs the internal rectifier circuitry?
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16:37 tonsofpcs my A4000 has some issues.... I really need to clean up my bench and dig into it
16:37 Cprossu yeah you know that one part that's on it's own module?
16:38 Cprossu blew the fuck up
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16:38 tonsofpcs well, there's only two pieces to the 'power supply' inside the //c, the real power supply is a huge brick outside
16:38 Cprossu there's a huge brick inside too
16:38 Cprossu oh that reminds me I have a //c+ as well
16:38 tonsofpcs on the //c?
16:38 Cprossu http://www.blujay.com/1/525/3741536_s1_i1.jpg
16:38 Cprossu ^ it looks like that
16:39 tonsofpcs pictures? I was about to use a screwdriver, already had the //c in my hands :)
16:39 speedrunnerG55 All toasters toast toastdude
16:39 Cprossu lol haha
16:39 Cprossu hang on my cat is making a mess
16:39 tonsofpcs (well, hand, other hand was typing)
16:40 Cprossu (no not the stinky kind thankfully)
16:40 tonsofpcs I should send the toasters to newtek for recal too, but I want to have the computers in fully operating conditon first
16:41 Cprossu <3 my cat lol
16:41 speedrunnerG55 I have a dog
16:41 Cprossu and other pc's I own are strange too, tonsofpcs
16:41 Cprossu one of my favorites is a Heathkit H89
16:41 Cprossu I also own the very first IBM clone
16:41 tonsofpcs the A4000 'rainbows' on boot (best way I can describe it -- it draws a block on the screen for every possible colorr, starting in the top-left and running left-to-right top-to-bottom, eventually scrolling the screen up, then reboting)
16:41 Cprossu I bet you don't know what it is, tonsofpcs
16:42 tonsofpcs the first?  a compaq portable.
16:42 Cprossu no
16:42 Cprossu you're wrong xD
16:42 tonsofpcs or do you mean 'first 100% compatible'
16:42 Cprossu everyone thinks they know
16:42 Cprossu no I mean first IBM clone
16:42 tonsofpcs my Portable III is "97% IBM Compatible"
16:42 Cprossu ready for it?
16:42 Cprossu Columbia Data Products MPC1600
16:43 * tonsofpcs has a "YIBM" clone
16:43 LeadHead Interesting.
16:43 Cprossu it's a good machine
16:43 Cprossu with a HUGE motherboard
16:43 LeadHead Apparently when you do a request to check an RSS feed
16:43 LeadHead on the Nissan Leaf
16:43 tonsofpcs what's the manuf date on it?
16:43 Cprossu it can also be used as a terminal
16:43 LeadHead it sends your current location, heading, speed, etc..to the RSS provider
16:44 Cprossu I'd have to go look
16:44 tonsofpcs hey, i hear shop noise
16:44 Cprossu noise on the stream
16:44 tonsofpcs and it looks like a camera now
16:44 * tonsofpcs wonders if the MAGNI is the only 'scope' on hand or if there are real scopes too
16:44 Cprossu_Laptop must be steve up there? tggmc1?
16:44 tonsofpcs also, I need to figure out how to work the MAGNI audio generator/analyzer I acquired recently....
16:46 Cprossu_Laptop July, 1982 if I am reading the right tag, tonsofpcs
16:47 tonsofpcs people!
16:48 Cprossu_Laptop thoughts on that/
16:48 mashpriborintorg Chris mom calling Chris: Chris, go tidy your MDH !
16:48 Cprossu_Laptop when was the compaq portable released?
16:48 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: well, the PC XT wasn't released until after that...
16:49 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I know, tonsofpcs
16:49 Cprossu_Laptop this thing also has an integrated floppy controller too
16:49 Cprossu_Laptop and did I mention the motherboard is HUGE?
16:50 * Cprossu_Laptop goes searching for data on it
16:50 tonsofpcs is it a "PC" clone or a "PS" clone?
16:50 speedrunnerG55 Rawer
16:50 Cprossu_Laptop it's a PC clone
16:50 Cprossu_Laptop it runs everything quite well
16:50 Cprossu_Laptop they even plopped CGA into it standard
16:50 tonsofpcs does it have BIOS or CMOS?
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16:51 Cprossu_Laptop it's not very advanced
16:51 murphyslaw i want food
16:51 Cprossu_Laptop as in no settings or anything
16:51 tonsofpcs (if it has BIOS, it's just a third party build, not a clone)
16:51 Cprossu_Laptop I don't think it has basic
16:51 Cprossu_Laptop I really don't want to dig the damn thing out to find out
16:52 Cprossu_Laptop as it's entombed quite well
16:52 murphyslaw i feel dirty, im listening to dubstep
16:52 * tonsofpcs is looking for info on it
16:53 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0  << Damn, that dude combines free climbing and free diving in the last 1/3 of the clip.  Too bad he didnt have a parachute.
16:54 murphyslaw lol
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16:56 tonsofpcs http://www.tonsofpcs.com/portable3/ is my Portable3
16:59 Cprossu_Laptop there was one cool thing though, tonsofpcs
17:00 Cprossu_Laptop my mpc1600 has 8 slots
17:00 Cprossu_Laptop and the floppy onboard saved one of those
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17:01 * tonsofpcs prefers Zorro to ISA
17:02 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=633&amp;st=1
17:04 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.metabarn.com/computers/columbia_mpc.png
17:04 Cprossu_Laptop those are it.
17:06 tonsofpcs I wonder if somehow it wasn't considered a 'clone' due to memory specs being better....
17:07 Cprossu_Laptop everything was better about it
17:07 Cprossu_Laptop still was a clone
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17:07 Cprossu_Laptop as it ran dos and such just fine
17:07 Cprossu_Laptop I wouldn't say they copied IBM's bios though I think they 'cleanroomed' their own
17:08 tonsofpcs because _everywhere_ lists the Compaq as 'first clone'
17:08 tonsofpcs ah, wait, I found it!
17:08 Cprossu_Laptop I know they do
17:08 Cprossu_Laptop and I don't know why!
17:08 tonsofpcs It WAS the first compatible system that was LEGALLY made, though Columbia first copied the IBM BIOS and later paid the fatal price.
17:09 Cprossu_Laptop well either way as far as I am concerned it kicks the 5150 and 5160's asses
17:09 Cprossu_Laptop it was a hell of a machine.
17:09 tonsofpcs apparently Columbia's "clean room" process wasn't quite clean (or they literally tore apart the BIOS and cloned the actual chip, rather than redeveloping it as compaq did)
17:09 Cprossu_Laptop well still, tonsofpcs, it was still the first clone.
17:09 Cprossu_Laptop I rest my case ^_^
17:10 tonsofpcs I love the HDD in my Portable III (nowhere near the first clone)
17:10 tonsofpcs it's got 1/2" springs all the way around it
17:11 tonsofpcs it has literally taaken a tumble down a flight of stairs, turned on for half the trip (power  cord came out halfway down) and still works perfectly fine
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17:17 EntKrow Cprossu_Laptop: what was that company that made mac clones?
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17:19 eightbitbrad EntKrow: Which one?  There was a more recent one that was building Hackintoshes, then the older one.
17:19 EntKrow the older one
17:19 eightbitbrad Unitron, I think.
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17:19 Cprossu_Laptop EntKrow: motorola made a few so did firepower systems
17:20 Cprossu_Laptop and I own a motorola prototype of a different unreleased system
17:20 eightbitbrad .w Macintosh clone
17:20 BotSteve "A Macintosh clone is a personal computer made by a manufacturer other than Apple, using (or compatible with) Macintosh ROMs and system software." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone
17:20 * speedrunnerG55 jumps up and down
17:20 Cprossu_Laptop anyone remember daystar digital?
17:21 tonsofpcs a dog!
17:21 Cprossu_Laptop rhwy made cool stuff
17:21 Cprossu_Laptop .log
17:21 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
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17:21 EntKrow unitron, that's it
17:21 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: sounds familiar..
17:21 EntKrow I think I may have a unitron box stowed away somewhere
17:21 Cprossu_Laptop I gotta go find a pic I uploaded, tonsofpcs
17:21 speedrunnerG55 Im not a dog
17:21 speedrunnerG55 Im a speed
17:21 tonsofpcs speedrunnerG55: I saw a dog running really fast across the frame... are you sure that's not you? :)
17:22 injektion I figured out the cause of the Topaz's electrical problems: The ignition switch recall has not been done. Hopefully it will catch on fire soon
17:22 Cprossu_Laptop http://oi53.tinypic.com/2e4bz3q.jpg
17:22 Cprossu_Laptop 1996
17:22 Cprossu_Laptop http://oi52.tinypic.com/ao6j4z.jpg
17:22 injektion It catching on fire will make me very happy
17:23 Cprossu_Laptop ^ tonsofpcs guess on this one
17:23 Cprossu_Laptop you'll notice lots of things that look wrong.
17:23 tonsofpcs it looks almost like my Alpha EB..
17:24 injektion Who wants to help me troubleshoot a dual p3 dell poweredge not booting?
17:24 tonsofpcs is it a PPC?
17:24 Cprossu_Laptop there's a hint on the back of the processor borad
17:24 Cprossu_Laptop *board
17:24 tonsofpcs (also, why the @(^*@^* is Moto building something with an Intel chip on it?)
17:24 Cprossu_Laptop injektion, it's a DELL, that's the problem
17:24 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: that's a bridge chip
17:25 injektion Cprossu_Laptop: It worked fine the last time it was in service
17:25 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: they could have made their own! They made their own everything else :)
17:25 Cprossu_Laptop you should also ask why the hell they are building a computer with ISA slots, tonsofpcs
17:25 tonsofpcs I count 4xPCI and 4xISA....
17:25 Cprossu_Laptop did you read the label on the back of the processor card yet, tonsofpcs?
17:25 tonsofpcs err, 3x ISA
17:25 speedrunnerG55 Yes im sure
17:25 speedrunnerG55 :p
17:26 Cprossu_Laptop 4 and 3, one is shared
17:26 * speedrunnerG55 's stomach is groumbling
17:26 Cprossu_Laptop and the hdd is out of it because I couldn't find it in time
17:26 Cprossu_Laptop for that photo
17:26 tonsofpcs so what is it?
17:26 Cprossu_Laptop but the HD is a 4.3gb 7200rpm uw scsi drive
17:27 Cprossu_Laptop the video card is a matrox millenium
17:27 tonsofpcs m68k PC clone?
17:27 Cprossu_Laptop no
17:27 * tonsofpcs has one of those on the shelf
17:27 tonsofpcs well, a millenium II
17:27 Cprossu_Laptop however it would boot Windows NT4
17:27 Cprossu_Laptop no that's an engineering sample millenium, tonsofpcs
17:27 Cprossu_Laptop just as the adaptec 2940uw is also an engineering sample
17:28 tonsofpcs heh
17:28 tonsofpcs <3 engineering samples
17:28 Cprossu_Laptop but did you read the back of the processor card yet?
17:28 Cprossu_Laptop it tells you cpu wise exactly what it is
17:28 Cprossu_Laptop btw also a V 1.00 ATX power supply on that
17:28 Cprossu_Laptop and a PC floppy drive
17:29 injektion With a NOISE KILLER
17:29 Cprossu_Laptop ps/2 keyboard and mouse
17:29 tonsofpcs we had the Tek guy in town a few months ago trying to sell the PQA800 (or whatever the # is now) and I went up to him afterwards and said "I just got a PQA!", he asked "Which one? the 300? [or some other number]", I replied "No, just a PQA" and his face just flipped and he waas like "where the heck did you get one of tthose?!?!"
17:29 Cprossu_Laptop it used EDO parity simms
17:29 Cprossu_Laptop this one has 64mb but they came with 32
17:29 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: I'm not sure what i'm supposed to be reading.  What is it?
17:29 injektion 604e
17:29 Cprossu_Laptop see the sticker on the slot cover?
17:30 Cprossu_Laptop now do you see any other hints there?
17:30 injektion 1660
17:30 tonsofpcs that's 166D
17:30 Cprossu_Laptop that's a D
17:30 Cprossu_Laptop so 166mhz, and obviously you can see the D means...
17:30 injektion I think I need glasses again
17:30 tonsofpcs so yea, it's a PPC
17:30 Cprossu_Laptop Dual.
17:31 Cprossu_Laptop and it could dual boot mac os8 and NT4
17:31 tonsofpcs did people make non-dual PPCs that weren't add-ons for existing systems?
17:31 tonsofpcs (other than apple)
17:31 Cprossu_Laptop well this is a weird system
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop but yes
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop this one is special as it's dual 604e
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop you won't see many of those
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop at all.
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop if any
17:32 * tonsofpcs has an Alpha EB160 w/ PROM (yes, PROM not EPROM or EEPROM) AlphaBIOS.  NT install attempt on it is hilarious
17:32 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: this has a special flavor of openfirmware
17:33 Cprossu_Laptop and don't take nt4 past sp3
17:33 tonsofpcs well, the AlphaBIOS is inherently NT compatible.  Devices are named /scsi0/host1/drive2/partition0/ or whatever
17:33 Cprossu_Laptop I made the mistake of loaning this box to a buddy to check out
17:33 Cprossu_Laptop and he fucking wrecked the nt install
17:33 Cprossu_Laptop yeah that's how it is here too
17:34 Cprossu_Laptop but it goes through 2 boot phases when starting nt
17:34 Cprossu_Laptop but man it was FAST
17:34 tonsofpcs so, once I get the NT CD booting (it takes some doing, since the Alpha is generally a SCSI based system but this board has onboard IDE and no SCSI), it says where the CD is, then tells me to "Please insert Windows NT4 installation CD-ROM into drive A:"
17:34 tonsofpcs of course, there's about 20 things wrong with that statement :)
17:34 Cprossu_Laptop the bus this is also 64bit clean iirc
17:34 tonsofpcs (well, it tells me that after I select install)
17:35 * tonsofpcs finds pics of the EB
17:35 tonsofpcs my server was just moved yesterday, so this may take a bit...
17:36 Cprossu_Laptop the hdd in my web server died
17:36 Cprossu_Laptop and I can't figure out what I did with the backup drive
17:36 Cprossu_Laptop otherwise I'd show you the mpc's motherboard
17:36 injektion I wanted to get the poweredge working for a web server :/
17:36 injektion I need it for an invoicing system
17:37 Cprossu_Laptop I'm hoping I have it somewhere
17:37 * tonsofpcs has someone host his site for him
17:37 tonsofpcs that reminds me, I need to renew some domains and such next week...
17:38 injektion I'm not paying for freshbooks or quickbooks
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17:40 Cprossu_Laptop I might have to dig out a smartmedia reader o_o
17:41 tonsofpcs which one is 'smart media'? is that the one that looks like an SD card stretched 3x each direction?
17:41 Cprossu_Laptop it looks like a thin thing
17:41 tonsofpcs http://www.tonsofpcs.com/decalpha.jpg
17:41 tonsofpcs yea
17:42 Cprossu_Laptop http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/removable-storage-smartmedia64.jpg
17:42 tonsofpcs for some reason the multi reader in one of my PCs here has one of those.  I'm not sure why
17:42 Cprossu_Laptop I had a alphaserver 5000 as my workstation at one of the places I worked
17:43 Cprossu_Laptop and used it to get my bearings on VMS
17:43 tonsofpcs I still haven't gotten this thing to properly boot :(
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17:43 LeadHead Hmm
17:43 injektion I've also tried to find a text based accounting software package with no avail
17:43 LeadHead The distinctive smell off way-too-hot-electronics.
17:43 tonsofpcs I need to borrow a SCSI card, a SCSI HDD, and a SCSI CDROM drive to get NT installed.  From everything I uunderstand, Once NT is installed, I can clone the HDD to an IDE drive and it'll work fine
17:43 LeadHead Why.
17:43 LeadHead am I smelling it
17:43 Cprossu_Laptop I think you can still apply for a hobby lisc for openvms, can't you?
17:43 injektion Cprossu_Laptop: Yes
17:44 injektion VMS yes HP-UX no
17:44 tonsofpcs openvms requires the other BIOS which I can't flash properly (and which can only boot SCSI devices)
17:45 tonsofpcs I can chainload the two BIOSes though.... once NT is instaled
17:45 injektion I'd like to try OpenVMS but the cost of the hardware even used is just not worth it
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17:46 tonsofpcs want an Alpha? :)
17:46 injektion If it works then yes if it doesn't then no
17:46 tonsofpcs it works, it just doesn't have all the hardware necessary to install an OS
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17:47 tonsofpcs anyyway, it's my day off, i really need to clean my kitchen, i'll be back later
17:48 injektion I've always had a soft spot for RISC based machines
17:49 tonsofpcs they're better.
17:50 Cprossu_Laptop omg
17:50 injektion They are but cost is everything
17:50 Cprossu_Laptop vax hardware prices
17:51 Cprossu_Laptop have shot through the roof
17:51 Cprossu_Laptop when did that happen?
17:51 injektion They have always been that expensive
17:51 injektion :P
17:51 Cprossu_Laptop not $3k for a fucking used up dead microvax
17:51 Cprossu_Laptop that's just insane.
17:51 tonsofpcs no, but that microvax did cost $3k beforre it was used up dead :-p
17:52 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I know that
17:52 Cprossu_Laptop I mean used dead on ebay
17:52 Cprossu_Laptop the prices have gone up
17:52 tonsofpcs the price hasn't gone up, the quality has gone down :)
17:53 injektion I want to find 4 Ross HyperSPARC modules
17:53 Cprossu_Laptop 5 years ago I could nab a microvax 3100 for $300 or so fully functional
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17:55 Cprossu_Laptop now a fucking model 30 costs you ore than that
17:55 Cprossu_Laptop http://cgi.ebay.com/MicroVAX-3100-model-30-H7083-AB-/220784173089?pt=Desktop_PCs&amp;hash=item3367c32021
17:56 Cprossu_Laptop and don't even ask about a 'modern' one
17:56 Cprossu_Laptop http://cgi.ebay.com/Microvax-3100-98-system-/200399573691?pt=COMP_EN_Workstations&amp;hash=item2ea8bed2bb
17:56 Cprossu_Laptop fucking yikes.
17:56 speedrunnerG55 Cprossu: Im joing jumping operations
17:57 speedrunnerG55 So confussing
17:57 injektion Now I remember why I don't like DEC hardware other than their prices
17:57 injektion The cases are fucking beige
17:57 Cprossu_Laptop so paint it black?
17:58 injektion I'd paint it caterpillar yellow and black
17:58 tesla4d <rollingstones> I see the server and I want to paint it black... </rollingstones>
17:58 injektion or diamondschwartz metallic
17:59 tesla4d Man, now I have that song stuck in my head.
17:59 injektion Why am I playing Cyndi Lauper
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18:03 injektion Anyway which non-x86 hardware has the best PHP and MySQL support?
18:03 injektion SPARC?
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18:04 tonsofpcs x64 :-p
18:04 * speedrunnerG55 dies
18:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 4 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Radioactive on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists.....Angy on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientistsMattG on Power Wheels Robot.....Angy on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists
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18:10 mashpriborintorg I wonder how many miles Omni can walk every day, always followins somebody
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18:37 mashpriborintorg omg a arc soldering robot arm
18:37 SparkyProjects ooh, looks like a spot welder on stream
18:37 injektion I didn't realize how corrosive bromine was until I touched it with my bare hands
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18:38 mashpriborintorg that is a neat toy to play with
18:39 speedrunnerG55 Hi mashedpotatoes
18:40 mashpriborintorg seems they are preparing a trip to thejunk yard
18:40 mashpriborintorg hi
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18:40 mashpriborintorg I sold for 200 euro at fleamarket today
18:40 mashpriborintorg Almost everything left !
18:41 * SparkyProjects wonders if they managed to get another hauling company to move the CNC's
18:42 mashpriborintorg it seems they are making empty room btw
18:42 mashpriborintorg dozen of small crt display have been tossed in a gaylord with no care
18:44 mashpriborintorg looks like if there's a second welder on the right
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18:58 mashpriborintorg damn crappy wifi
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19:01 speedrunnerG55 Hi wannabe
19:02 wannabe1987 OMG I GOT DINGED X_X
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19:03 speedrunnerG55 Is that a good thing?
19:03 wannabe1987 i dunno. it killed me.  what do you think
19:03 speedrunnerG55 Yes
19:03 speedrunnerG55 ....lol jk
19:03 Fulsy ARG ITS GONNA EXPLODE
19:04 mashpriborintorg cut the red wire
19:04 wannabe1987 OMG went to the food pantry and there were these two boys there the FATTEST KIDS i've seen...like maybe 12, 13 years old, 140+ lbs...it was nasty.  and horrible.  :shudder:
19:04 Electronics no the blue one!
19:04 Cprossu ROFL
19:04 * speedrunnerG55 implodes
19:04 Cprossu I thought something in my room was beeping
19:04 Electronics XD
19:04 mashpriborintorg hi wannabe1987
19:04 wannabe1987 hi mashpriborintorg
19:04 Cprossu god I was like... WTF IS THAT?! OMG!
19:04 wannabe1987 i'm actually getting things doen...
19:05 eightbitbrad wannaaaabbbeeeeeee
19:05 Cprossu good luck tggmc1, I have to go on a food mission
19:05 Fulsy Tree
19:05 wannabe1987 eightbitbrad what....
19:05 eightbitbrad hiiiiiii
19:05 wannabe1987 HIIIIII to you and little geek
19:05 Cprossu later chris. take it easy.
19:06 eightbitbrad :)  The little geek is at home, I are at teh work today.
19:06 eightbitbrad but I'll say hi to her tonight
19:06 wannabe1987 so
19:06 wannabe1987 ok
19:06 speedrunnerG55 Ahh
19:06 speedrunnerG55 So fast. Cant keep up
19:06 wannabe1987 RUN SPEED RUN
19:07 wannabe1987 .
19:07 speedrunnerG55 Ok i caught up
19:08 speedrunnerG55 ....lol
19:08 wannabe1987 ok
19:08 mashpriborintorg captain logging on
19:08 Cprossu ENHANCE
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19:08 wannabe1987 dude
19:08 Cprossu welcome tggmc1_
19:08 tggmc1_ hi guys
19:08 tggmc1_ ho'ws the audio
19:08 Cprossu full of scanner
19:08 eightbitbrad hiya tggmc1_
19:08 eightbitbrad scannerific!
19:08 wannabe1987 do you know where theres a blockbuster express near you?  you could get a free movie by tonight using SWEETMONDAY
19:08 Cprossu hehehe
19:08 Cprossu but yeah it's great
19:08 eightbitbrad there's the Cap
19:09 mashpriborintorg as clear as a scanner can be I believe
19:09 Cprossu that wheatstone kicks tail.
19:09 Electronics ok livestream on
19:09 Cprossu we're all happy with it
19:09 eightbitbrad It's a freakin' big screen monitor! awesomeness
19:09 Electronics I want bigger!
19:09 eightbitbrad Electronics: donate one to them. :)
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19:09 Cprossu what brand?
19:09 Electronics =P
19:10 Cprossu damn some hard cash went down the dumper to purchase those
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19:10 Cprossu I gotta go though on a food mission
19:10 eightbitbrad if you squint hard enough, you can see IRC moving on stream
19:10 Cprossu enjoy.
19:11 Cprossu serves you right for running lcd's eightbitbrad
19:11 Cprossu I can see it scroll easily =P
19:11 eightbitbrad LOL
19:11 eightbitbrad I <3 my 22" LCD thank you.
19:11 Electronics I really need to get some new monitors, I've got like 4 tiny LCD monitors only 1 which I can use at the moment
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19:12 Electronics blarghh adverts
19:13 SparkyProjects I don't need to squint, i can see the irc moving just fine on my 22" widescreens
19:13 eightbitbrad heh
19:13 Electronics if I plugged my computer into my 42 inch tv..well that would be a whole new ball game
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19:13 eightbitbrad well, it was more of a comment than a matter of fact.
19:13 eightbitbrad hey, top-o-Cap's-head.
19:13 Electronics nice view of Cap'ns head
19:14 wannabe1987 is he balding yet?
19:14 Electronics XD
19:14 wannabe1987 i cant' watch :(
19:14 konstantin_ the master brain
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19:14 wannabe1987 hi mtearle, Linus
19:15 Linus hi
19:16 wannabe1987 how are you
19:17 SparkyProjects tggmc1, wouldn't it look better if you took the panels off this end for those holes ?
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19:19 wannabe1987 hi mashpriborintorg
19:19 mashpriborintorg back from wifi apocalypse
19:19 wannabe1987 yay
19:19 wannabe1987 so the guy who said OH NOES RAPTURE had a stroke
19:20 Electronics did he?
19:20 wannabe1987 yeah
19:20 Electronics lol
19:20 Electronics I mean that's mean saying that but..lol
19:20 wannabe1987 yeah i know
19:23 Linus <wannabe1987> I am ok
19:24 wannabe1987 good!
19:28 Druiduc_Rifleman i have allot of stuff
19:29 wannabe1987 a lot
19:29 wannabe1987 *
19:29 wannabe1987 no shit
19:29 wannabe1987 we all do
19:30 Fulsy lmao @ scanner
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19:34 speedrunnerG55 My shows online
19:34 speedrunnerG55 I dont think i have a mic tho
19:34 Linus me too i also have a lot of stuff. and i love it
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19:35 Linus hi <Speed_Laptop>
19:37 speedrunnerG55 I think my laptop just crashed
19:37 speedrunnerG55 :(
19:38 Electronics =O
19:39 * speedrunnerG55 reboots
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19:41 tonsofpcs who uses 42" computer monitors?  My two classes of monitor are 9-21" and 60-120"
19:42 Speed_Laptop hi
19:42 Python tonsofpcs: someone out there
19:42 * Speed_Laptop trys to start show again
19:42 * Python spins in chair
19:44 * Python walks away due to the lack of chatter
19:44 * tonsofpcs steals Python's chair and starts spinning
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19:45 * SparkyProjects attaches fire extinguishers to chair
19:45 Electronics uh oh...
19:45 tonsofpcs wheeeeeeeeeeE!
19:45 Speed_Laptop ataches arduino to chair for blog cred
19:46 * Python comes running back
19:46 Python my chair !
19:46 tonsofpcs it's turbocharged. here, watch!
19:46 * Python 's chair is in ruins
19:47 * Speed_Laptop programs the chair o serve coffie
19:47 Speed_Laptop to
19:47 injektion I need a new chair
19:47 * Python buys a new chair
19:47 injektion I'm going build one out of an old racing seat
19:47 injektion :D
19:47 injektion I love the feel of sport seats
19:47 Speed_Laptop zoinks
19:48 mashpriborintorg I would prefer a  fomer jet ejection seat
19:48 Speed_Laptop http://www.blogtv.com/people/speedrunnerG55   do i have anny audio?
19:48 mashpriborintorg and a first class airliner seat for watching tv
19:48 injektion Sport seats are comfortable
19:49 * Python thinks not
19:49 Python anout speeds tv thing
19:49 Speed_Laptop nothing?
19:49 Speed_Laptop :(
19:49 SparkyProjects Didn't hear any audio
19:49 speedrunnerG55 No sound :(
19:50 * Python hears ... silence
19:50 speedrunnerG55 I wonder
19:50 Electronics blargh ads
19:51 * Python thinks firefox+adblock-plus works great !
19:51 SparkyProjects don't you have an input and output monitor on the app ? it should show audio levels
19:51 Electronics muted on stream?, plugged in?, volume turned down?
19:52 * Python will be back
19:52 Electronics never used blog.tv so don't really know much about its streaming client etc
19:52 SparkyProjects I use adobe, same as TGG
19:54 Electronics grr max username on there is 8 char
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19:57 * mashpriborintorg bed time yay have fun
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20:00 Linus hi
20:00 producerBill Control room is looking good
20:01 tonsofpcs oh, camera is on the control room now
20:01 Linus hi boden
20:01 tonsofpcs hi control room.
20:01 konstantin_ is their a project about ham radio
20:01 konstantin_ ?
20:02 producerBill ya, I wonder what huge piece of equpment Chris will find next that needs to be in there
20:02 producerBill ;)
20:02 tonsofpcs is that a switcher mounted on the vertical?
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20:02 Linus sound
20:02 tonsofpcs producerBill: those monitors are hefty.  I don't envy the lift up the stairs
20:03 Linus it`s no sound?
20:03 tonsofpcs with the T-bars, right below the LCD on the left
20:03 Linus why
20:03 producerBill i don't know
20:03 tonsofpcs the sound is currently coming from the scanner
20:03 producerBill aahhhhh there is sound,, just nothing going on
20:03 tonsofpcs plugged through the mackie into the optimod into the stream
20:03 Linus yay
20:03 tonsofpcs wheatstone!
20:04 tonsofpcs golf cart!
20:04 tonsofpcs outside!
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20:04 tonsofpcs I wish we had that TV-600 instead of the E-6...
20:05 tonsofpcs yea, that TV-600 :)
20:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Sparky Projects on Kiwifrog Earthquake report.
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20:07 tonsofpcs hi
20:07 tonsofpcs :)
20:08 * tonsofpcs wonders what switcher that is, looks almost like a sony SEG-900
20:09 Linus wtf
20:11 tonsofpcs wtf what?
20:12 masterofmonks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fllqaJax88
20:26 wannabe1987 wheres ponko92...not here...so why did chat die?
20:26 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell ponko92 that chat does die without hi
20:26 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when ponko92 is around.
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20:30 wannabe1987 hi masterofmonks
20:30 masterofmonks Hi wannabe1987
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20:33 Python hello
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20:40 wannabe1987 hi Python
20:40 Python hello
20:43 tonsofpcs so is this 'lab' going to be a hackspace too?
20:45 Python yes
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20:46 Python lenord street lab right ?
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20:46 BotSteve Spatula.
20:46 tonsofpcs cool
20:47 tonsofpcs Partnering with anyone else to provide it or solely "the geek group"?
20:47 Python just TGG
20:47 * tonsofpcs wants to start one of those here
20:47 * Python does too
20:47 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs where r u located
20:48 tonsofpcs Binghamton, NY
20:48 tonsofpcs I may be able to acquire a location and old used audio/video stuff quite easily (already in the location even) too.....
20:48 wannabe1987 ah.  i now have a ps3 controler hooked up to my netbook
20:49 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: do they actually run data over the USB at all?
20:49 wannabe1987 i odn't know...i'm using it on the ps3
20:49 wannabe1987 i dont' think so
20:49 wannabe1987 but we only have on controller
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20:56 tonsofpcs I need to find others to build the hackspace, I think...
20:56 Python well if you have the money you can build the hackerspace and people will come to you
20:59 tonsofpcs I don't have the money
21:00 tonsofpcs I probably have one friend that would be interested... would like to see more interest before building it
21:01 tonsofpcs ah, ToH IDs
21:02 Cprossu Just got back from lunch
21:02 Cprossu hey duck!
21:02 Cprossu err captain
21:02 Cprossu what's new?
21:02 tggmc1_ Hey guys
21:03 tggmc1_ loving the guy who doesn't understand that not only are we a hackerspace, we're the largest in the world.
21:03 tonsofpcs this guy is overmodulating just a bit...
21:03 tonsofpcs hi tggmc1_ :)
21:03 Cprossu I've been digging in my collection for a 10bT to 10b2 converter
21:03 Cprossu hopefully I'll find one
21:03 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I have a NIC with 10b2 and an AUI for 10bT....
21:03 Cprossu yeah I have several
21:03 Cprossu but I'd rather get them something newer
21:04 Cprossu the issue is they have a GVG/Phillips Saturn video mixer
21:04 Cprossu and... let's just say it's going to be a PITA to get going
21:04 tonsofpcs ah
21:04 Cprossu the arrangement requires a coax network
21:04 Cprossu in 10b2
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21:04 tonsofpcs do you have the manual or do you need one?
21:04 Cprossu we have the manual
21:04 Linus hi boden
21:04 Cprossu we need the software
21:05 Cprossu Specifically "Jupiter Network Suite"
21:05 Cprossu if you want to help it would be greatly appreciated
21:05 tonsofpcs hmm..... I wonder who holds the support for those lines
21:06 tonsofpcs I need to call my sales rep tomorrow to talk about a GVG camera monitor that's on the fritz after being repaired a few months ago... if you get me a model #, I can push an inquiry through to grass
21:06 speedrunnerG55 Hi
21:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Slurpy on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists
21:06 Cprossu That might work out well
21:06 speedrunnerG55 Imah go on my laptopmand see if i can pull up the stream
21:06 Cprossu Actually do you know someone who could donate like 8 Composite to SDI interfaces, tonsofpcs?
21:07 tonsofpcs I wouldn't bridge the network to 10bT though, I'd just dedicate a machine to it with a 10bT interface
21:07 Cprossu because then we could use our GVG M-2100
21:07 Cprossu and tonsofpcs it would be 10b2
21:07 tonsofpcs Cprossu: if you're looking to do quite a few, you might be better off finding a small matrix router that's dual-mode and can in/out SDI and analog, works SDI inside
21:07 tonsofpcs err, yea, 10b2 interface
21:08 Cprossu tonsofpcs: can you show me such a product
21:08 Cprossu because that would be exactly the thing they would need
21:08 tonsofpcs Cprossu: well, my NV9000 router can handle it, but that's quite a bit oversized.... are you adverse to asking for donations from manufacturers?
21:08 Cprossu and it would be a much better solution than a saturn
21:08 Cprossu well worst case I'd be willing to track one down. buy it, and have it sent
21:09 tonsofpcs Miranda recently bought nVision and is redoing some of the product line.  They might have some gear that was RMA'd that they don't want to ffix, maybe some input/output cards with a few bad ins/outs that would be an issue for a large facility but not a small one
21:10 tonsofpcs (frame system with bad connectors on some card slots, etc)
21:10 Cprossu that they could handle
21:10 Cprossu in a heartbeat
21:10 tonsofpcs mind you, they make switching and branding products too
21:10 Cprossu when egrsteve shows up he is actually on location
21:11 Cprossu I'm ~2k miles away and am not based locally
21:11 Cprossu tggmc1: steve going to be in today?
21:11 tonsofpcs http://www.miranda.com/ based in Quebec but nVision is Cali based.
21:11 Cprossu I saw several miranda products but at like $600/interface+ frame it was out of the question
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21:12 tonsofpcs right, but you might be able to get them to send you old 'broken' stuff as donations.
21:13 Cprossu yeah, tggmc1 come in
21:13 tonsofpcs I'd offer a MC switcher but I have no clue what make/model it is or where it's hiding.  We have a GVG 110a and an Echolab M?? hiding too, but those are both broken.
21:14 tonsofpcs what city is this space located in?
21:14 Cprossu it's less of a space
21:14 Cprossu more of a lab
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21:14 tonsofpcs right, but physically, where is it?
21:14 Python grand rapids MI
21:14 Cprossu ^
21:14 tonsofpcs hmm
21:14 Speed_Laptop .stream
21:14 BotSteve The Geek Group Live Web Stream can be found at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-geek-group-behind-the-scenes-live-feed
21:14 * tonsofpcs just followed links from the video that Wheatstone linked to on their FB page
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21:15 Cprossu ahhh ic
21:15 Cprossu hey egrsteve
21:15 Speed_Laptop hi  steve
21:15 egrsteve hi cprossu
21:15 Cprossu you need to talk with tonsofpcs about a router that you guys might be able to get
21:15 Cprossu which could do composite->sdi
21:15 Cprossu then we wouldn't have to mess with the Saturn
21:16 tonsofpcs well, most modern crosspoint card-based router systems have SDI backplanes and can have Analog I/O cards plugged in
21:16 tonsofpcs the trick is finding someone to give you one
21:16 egrsteve thats  always the trick
21:16 Cprossu if they know specifically what to ask for and who they'll be able to.
21:17 Cprossu this part is peanuts compared to other things they've gotten
21:17 tonsofpcs I figure that with Miranda's recent purchase of nVision and consolidation of products, they may have some items that were RMA'd that just have one or two bad ins/outs/slots that would be detrimental to a large facility but perfectly fine for a small facility
21:17 egrsteve yes and no
21:17 tonsofpcs and  they might not be remanufacturing them as much
21:18 egrsteve watching yesterdays captains blog from yesterday
21:19 tonsofpcs otherwise, if you can get the model # of the switcher, I need to call my local sales guy about a GVG monitor tomorrow, I might be able to push on a question about that software and who would have it
21:20 egrsteve the software should be jupiter station control software
21:20 Cprossu tonsofpcs: http://www.grassvalley.com/apps/doc_show?&amp;set=mcontrol&amp;c=Saturn|Saturn%20Master%20Control%20System&super=broadcast
21:22 tonsofpcs actually, you might want to post about it here <http://www.broadcastengineering.info/> too
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21:26 * tonsofpcs can ask at his local SBE meeting tomorrow, too
21:26 Cprossu egrsteve: when is the next time you are gonna be in the lab?
21:26 Cprossu we really need to figure out what firmware is on our saturn
21:26 egrsteve tomarrow evening
21:27 Cprossu and I don't know how we are going to accomplish that yet
21:27 egrsteve we can't get anything to come up on the control surface w/o a network between them so I don't know how to get the firmware version
21:28 Cprossu there's gotta be a way
21:28 tonsofpcs network between what?
21:28 Cprossu I'd settle for a rom with a handwritten message
21:28 tonsofpcs the surface and the frame?
21:28 Cprossu between the system and a PC
21:29 egrsteve http://grassvalley.novosolutions.net/default.asp?id=1379&amp;SID=&amp;Lang=1
21:29 egrsteve I think it needs all 3 talking to do anything
21:30 Cprossu so what pieces do we actually own of this system?
21:30 egrsteve I don't think the rom had it written on it
21:30 egrsteve that what I'm trying to figure out it thats the jupiter we need
21:30 Cprossu I do not think it's what we are looking for
21:31 Cprossu because everything I was looking for was talking about jupiter network suite 3.x and 4.x
21:31 egrsteve ok, myabe 2 diff, maybe a lot newer version
21:32 Cprossu the problem I found was each version of the network suite would include some sort of firmware requirement and/or update with it
21:32 tonsofpcs there's a download link, try it :)
21:32 Cprossu egrsteve: so we need an XP box (hopefully) to try that linksys combo card on
21:33 egrsteve ok
21:33 Cprossu and if not win2k
21:33 tonsofpcs I've never seen a switcher system that required a PC attached for power-on.... I've seen some that say "PROGRAM ME" [or similar] on power on if there is no PC, so I wonder if the console and base aren't properly connected (or if maybe a fuse is blown?)
21:33 Cprossu it powers on
21:33 Seroster Jesus. Stefan holm is going for politics... Known or High Jump.   Still doesn't beat a terminator govenor, but still pretty odd.
21:33 Cprossu but doesn't do anything but look cool
21:33 tonsofpcs isn't that what it's supposed to do? :)
21:34 Cprossu no it's supposed to pass video signal xD
21:34 Cprossu or gas
21:34 Cprossu one of the two
21:34 egrsteve I don't think it has the same specs as cory there
21:35 Cprossu and the documentation for the saturn mentions something about blow jobs but we didn't get that module with it
21:35 tonsofpcs does it need video applied to a specific one of the inputs at power on in order to function? (I know of quite a few switchers with this caveat)
21:35 Cprossu yeah we had that with our Analog GVG switcher
21:36 Cprossu I think the saturn needed video blanking/black but that's it
21:36 Cprossu do you recall, egrsteve?
21:36 tonsofpcs I've seen that on Sonys, GVGs, Echolabs, PC-based switchers, ...
21:36 speedrunnerG55 I wonder why. The audio from the radio streams just fine. But i dont hear or see anything els. Must be my slow computer
21:36 Cprossu we needed 3 or 4 signals on our older gvg
21:36 tonsofpcs I recall seeing one early digital switcher that needed bars on an input on power-on
21:37 tonsofpcs video is working, speedrunnerG55 ... try reloading the web browser?
21:38 Cprossu egrsteve: we did pass a blanking signal to the frame didn't we?
21:38 Cprossu ^ for the saturn
21:38 egrsteve I belive so
21:39 tonsofpcs oh, and some switchers require both colorburst and (color-less) black..... some require 8 different varieties of timing....
21:39 Cprossu well I'll clear some time out tomorrow evening
21:39 Cprossu any specific suggestions on contact method so we can both bash our heads on the walls at the same time?
21:40 Cprossu lol we could do an echolink node perhaps if it's free
21:41 speedrunnerG55 Ok its refreshing
21:41 tonsofpcs if you only care about price, you can probably find stacks of Sony D1 decks and use them as SDI <> analog converters, but they're usually about 6-8RU each....
21:42 * tonsofpcs really should get his ham ticket
21:42 Cprossu I suggested that, lol
21:43 tonsofpcs also, I wouldn't envy the guy who had to carry them up the stairs.  You thought those monitors were heavy......
21:43 Cprossu lol there are other solutions too
21:43 Cprossu like minidv decks
21:43 tonsofpcs those cost $ though
21:43 Cprossu but the problem is mention tape, even if you're not using it
21:43 Cprossu and cap will shit a brick
21:43 tonsofpcs D1s you can find being thrown out.
21:44 tonsofpcs what's wrong with tape?
21:44 Cprossu for all I know he did throw some out
21:44 Cprossu hey that's not my problem
21:44 tonsofpcs I have a state of the art HD facility, we use a lot of tape.
21:44 Cprossu everyone uses a lot of tape
21:44 Cprossu especially in the field
21:45 Cprossu but from the way cap talks about it you'd think he was buried under a 2 1
21:45 Cprossu *2 1/2 ton pile of tape
21:45 Cprossu which then got set on fire
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21:45 tonsofpcs it's good to learn on tape too, since a lot of the digital stuff names things based upon the old tape workflow (also, you can edit tape a lot faster than NLE... but that's a whole 3 day argument for some people ;)
21:46 Cprossu especially with AVID =P
21:46 Cprossu I tell you getting avid to work on my laptop was an adventure
21:46 tonsofpcs you too? we have someone in ##video who I think is still fighting it
21:47 Cprossu I had to upgrade my graphics card
21:47 Cprossu and change my drivers to a virtual one
21:47 tonsofpcs I have MC5 running on my Vista x64 PC here and it works other than (1) it's AVID and (2) it complains about not seeing a media library on startup
21:47 Cprossu I'm running Avid Media Composer 4
21:47 Cprossu on a Windows XP (32bit) laptop
21:48 Cprossu with a Geforce 9650M GT
21:48 tonsofpcs I'm running 5 on an overspecced overpowered machine and it still has speed issues w/ MP4 source material from my T2i
21:48 Cprossu and there is a integrated realtek
21:48 speedrunnerG55 Same thing. The player will load but it frezes with that circle thing stoped
21:48 Cprossu soundcard in mine
21:48 Cprossu that avid just CRAPS OUT on
21:49 speedrunnerG55 And all i hear is the radio.
21:49 Cprossu so I used total recorder
21:49 Cprossu and it works smooth
21:49 tonsofpcs speedrunnerG55: odd.  I'm on an atom N270 w/ 1GB of RAM here, no issue...
21:49 speedrunnerG55 I wonder whats wrong with my client
21:49 Cprossu I really hate the multi monitor support of avid
21:49 tonsofpcs speedrunnerG55: version of flash maybe?
21:49 speedrunnerG55 512mb ram with issues here
21:49 Cprossu I think speedrunnerG55 has other issues
21:49 Cprossu wait
21:49 Cprossu 512?
21:49 speedrunnerG55 Yes
21:50 Cprossu what kind of netbook are you running?!
21:50 Cprossu make/model
21:50 speedrunnerG55 Hp pavillion zv5000
21:50 tonsofpcs i'm on an EeePC 900A w/ 1GB RAM (4GB SSD) ;)
21:50 Cprossu so you need some ram, speedrunnerG55
21:50 Cprossu that's your only issue
21:50 Cprossu was it SDR or DDR?
21:50 speedrunnerG55 Ddr
21:50 Cprossu (and be right back)
21:50 speedrunnerG55 DDR
21:50 Cprossu I might have a few spare sodimms
21:51 Cprossu can you check if you have 256x2?
21:51 tonsofpcs but yea, if I had $$ for an editing system, I'd buy CS5.5
21:51 speedrunnerG55 yes there are 2 256
21:51 speedrunnerG55 I took it apart before
21:53 Cprossu rpf;
21:53 Cprossu *rofl
21:53 * tonsofpcs has an 80486 and a 1GB dell stick (unknown condition) on the shelf
21:53 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/06/haiti.html
21:53 Cprossu does MC5 still support hardware dongles?
21:53 Cprossu because I can still swing a student copy if I wanted
21:54 tonsofpcs Cprossu: my copy is dongleless... unsure
21:54 Cprossu and avid's internet activation, they can cram it up their ass
21:54 tonsofpcs eh, avid bought me my copy, i'm not complaining
21:54 Cprossu nice
21:55 Cprossu I wish they would buy me a copy
21:56 Cprossu student pricing is ok though
21:56 Cprossu ever used vegas? everyone keeps telling me it's the shit.
21:57 Cprossu and with avid I can do everything I want, but I never understand how I did things once my project's completed
21:57 Cprossu sometimes it feels more like I am tricking it to do something rather than using a feature
21:58 speedrunnerG55 I wonder what file format the 3ds saves 3d immages to
21:58 speedrunnerG55 .wiki 3ds file type
21:58 BotSteve "This is a list of file formats organized by type, as can be found on computers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_formats
21:59 speedrunnerG55 Omg.
21:59 wannabe1987 fail BotSteve fail!
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22:00 wannabe1987 http://lifehacker.com/5811528/make-a-diy-phone-line+powered-flashlight-for-your-next-power-outage O.o YAY!!!!!
22:01 Cprossu wannabe1987: pointless if you are running voip =(
22:01 wannabe1987 or you don't have phone service
22:01 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I'm not a vegas fan for 'editing'.  It's decent for short composited pieces but I'd prefer speededit (newtek) for that
22:02 tonsofpcs for mostly long-form, I'd go with premiere
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22:02 Cprossu I have a very hate hate relationship with premiere
22:03 Cprossu you see, I had a Mirovideo DC30.
22:03 speedrunnerG55 Cprossu if i have cable. And my phone is in that pakage
22:03 speedrunnerG55 Is that voip?
22:03 Cprossu sort of
22:04 Cprossu speedrunnerG55: basically it'll have it's own little tiny battery backup
22:04 Cprossu say 2 hours
22:04 speedrunnerG55 Lol
22:04 speedrunnerG55 Thats horible
22:04 Cprossu yeah I know
22:04 Cprossu there were some implementations that used phantom power from the cable amps
22:04 tonsofpcs premiere became good when it hit CS2
22:04 speedrunnerG55 Makes me want to get a ups
22:04 Cprossu but they should have been phased out by now
22:05 Cprossu never power a battery charging object with a UPS
22:05 speedrunnerG55 Drat
22:05 tonsofpcs isn't the mirovideo one of those things that got bought/made by pinnacle?
22:05 Cprossu it just isn't a good idea
22:05 Cprossu yeah it was eventually bought by pinnacle
22:05 Cprossu and they .... did what they do to anything they buy
22:05 Cprossu ignore it.
22:05 tonsofpcs got bought by avid and got killed off
22:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 3 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: whatdoesthatdo on Any news re:UK chapter?.....Angy on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientistsAngy on Detroit DIYer cooks up stronger, lighter steel, shames scientists
22:07 Cprossu but the dc30 was cool as it was damn near instant rendering, even on a PII 233
22:08 * tonsofpcs has some early Dazzle gear
22:08 Cprossu the driver support though, and the future premiere versions support went out the door with pinnacle buying them up
22:08 tonsofpcs well, yea, cus pinnacle made a competing product
22:08 Cprossu I remember how horrifying it was to get 6.0 to work with it
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22:08 Cprossu I wouldn't call it a competing product at all
22:08 Cprossu it was shit!
22:08 tonsofpcs right, but pinnacle thought they were competing
22:09 Cprossu I know -_-   but it doesn't take the sting out of it
22:09 Cprossu then they rebadged it
22:09 Cprossu and didn't improve it
22:09 Cprossu argggggggh!
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22:09 tonsofpcs the way i see it, your problem is with pinnacle/avid, not adobe...
22:10 Cprossu very true but using premiere without any kind of accelerating feature
22:10 Cprossu is like trying to swim in maple syrup
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22:10 Cprossu granted the last version I used was 6.5
22:10 tonsofpcs it got better w/ CS2
22:10 Cprossu and that was SO crash prone
22:10 Cprossu that it wasn't even worth trying to edit with
22:11 tonsofpcs (CS2 was 7 iirc)
22:11 speedrunnerG55 Zoinks
22:11 Cprossu so that's where I ended my affair with premiere
22:11 Cprossu lol
22:11 tonsofpcs they just recreated Audition from the ground up, too
22:11 Cprossu when I was saving before applying even one effect
22:11 Cprossu I gave up on it
22:11 Cprossu shrink clip, save, move clip, save,
22:12 Cprossu when everything was followed by ctrl+s because I knew it was going to crash
22:12 Cprossu it was time to give it up
22:12 tonsofpcs yea, you'll notice that i'm not suggesting any linux video editing 'products' :)
22:13 speedrunnerG55 Zoinks
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22:14 tonsofpcs new versions of all adobe products have trials, go try it :)
22:14 awesomedude is now known as Guest7344
22:14 Cprossu_Laptop lol, the best thing I knew of was when the dscaler team was trying to do it
22:14 Cprossu_Laptop and they even gave up
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22:14 Cprossu_Laptop =(
22:14 tonsofpcs vlmc looks promising but the two devs have no clue.  I met with j-b at openvideo in ... october I think it was and hashed through what it needed to do
22:14 Guest7344 .
22:15 tonsofpcs -
22:15 Guest7344 hi
22:15 Cprossu_Laptop I wouldn't call media composer stable, or intuitive, but somehow it just works.. hows v5?
22:15 tonsofpcs well, it's not meant to be intuitive, it's meant to be avid :)
22:16 Guest7344 ok
22:16 tonsofpcs 5 has nothing that I expected it to have at release... those came with 5.5 which is a full cost upgrade
22:17 Cprossu_Laptop I have the feeling they have entire teams of people: Hey we thought of this great new easy to use feature! the repsonse being "OK, that's nice and all, but where are we going to hide it and what dumb ass name which has no resemblence to what it actually does are we going to name it?"
22:17 tonsofpcs hi Guest7344.
22:17 Guest7344 hi
22:17 tonsofpcs Guest7344: try /nick name_you_want_here
22:18 speedrunnerG55 Im feeling 127.0.0.1 sick. I dont like ::1 its not~
22:18 Guest7344 idc really
22:18 Cprossu_Laptop although 'awesomedude' seems to be taken
22:18 Cprossu_Laptop rofl
22:18 Guest7344 im kinda new to the wwhole irc thing
22:19 Guest7344 but i have watched all the captains blogs and all the geek group episodes
22:19 Guest7344 on youtube
22:19 Cprossu_Laptop you in MI?
22:19 Guest7344 where?
22:19 Cprossu_Laptop Michigan
22:19 Guest7344 nup
22:20 Guest7344 im not in america
22:20 speedrunnerG55 Guest7344: Welcome to irc. Enjoy your stay
22:20 Guest7344 thx
22:20 Cprossu_Laptop oooh another international one, nice to meet you
22:20 Cprossu_Laptop we have members all throughout the world/etc
22:20 * tonsofpcs is in NY, that's almost international from MI :-p
22:20 Guest7344 cool
22:20 Cprossu_Laptop I am in AZ, that is international from MI, rofl
22:21 speedrunnerG55 tonsofpcs: Ur in NY?!
22:21 tonsofpcs yea, we have this system of lakes and canals connecting us ;)
22:21 Cprossu_Laptop lakes? what are those?
22:21 tonsofpcs speedrunnerG55: yes.
22:21 speedrunnerG55 I
22:21 Guest7344 does Chris ever come online?
22:21 speedrunnerG55 Im in NJ
22:21 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: they're what that desert used to be
22:21 Cprossu_Laptop yeah every day
22:21 speedrunnerG55 FTW
22:21 * tonsofpcs is from NJ
22:21 Guest7344 is he on now?
22:21 speedrunnerG55 THATS AWESOME
22:21 Cprossu_Laptop and if you watch the livestream you'll see
22:21 Cprossu_Laptop .stream
22:21 BotSteve The Geek Group Live Web Stream can be found at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-geek-group-behind-the-scenes-live-feed
22:22 Cprossu_Laptop ^ granted not much is happening now
22:22 Guest7344 cool
22:22 Cprossu_Laptop but if you notice (after the commerical) there's a computer with irc logged on there, and it's name is tggmc1
22:23 Cprossu_Laptop so if you see someone at it, say hi
22:23 Guest7344 i dont see anyone in the labs
22:23 Cprossu_Laptop and chris will be on as captainboden from his place
22:23 Guest7344 where r they all!
22:23 Cprossu_Laptop there are people there the cameras aren't cycling right now
22:23 Cprossu_Laptop they are probably unpacking boxes/stuff
22:23 Druidic_Rifleman got to go
22:23 Guest7344 yea
22:23 Guest7344 gaylords
22:23 Cprossu_Laptop later, Druidic_Rifleman
22:23 Guest7344 lol
22:24 Cprossu_Laptop they get that name because they are made in gaylord, MI, at a company named gaylord
22:24 speedrunnerG55 Why are they called gay loards?
22:24 Cprossu_Laptop .tfw gaylord, mi
22:24 BotSteve 73�F?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Gaylord, MI!  'FUCKING SWEET'
22:24 Guest7344 on one of the vids they said you could contol cameras on the IRC
22:24 Cprossu_Laptop ^ any other questions?
22:24 Guest7344 is that working yet?
22:24 Cprossu_Laptop nope
22:24 Guest7344 oh
22:24 Guest7344 kk
22:24 Guest7344 thx
22:25 Cprossu_Laptop it's a long way away still
22:25 Guest7344 i guess it would be
22:25 Cprossu_Laptop they want to get the place open to the public first
22:25 Guest7344 tea
22:25 Guest7344 yea
22:25 Cprossu_Laptop it's a lot of work and money
22:25 Guest7344 i really wanna go but cause im not even in america
22:25 Guest7344 !!!
22:25 tonsofpcs .tfw 12345
22:25 Cprossu_Laptop if crapping money was an olympic sport, they'd win gold.
22:25 BotSteve 65�F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Schenectady, NY!  'OH NO. THE WEATHER MACHINE IS BROKEN.'
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop so they need everything they can get
22:26 Guest7344 oh no
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: there was a GE plant there
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop at one time
22:26 speedrunnerG55 Lol
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop .tfw 85020
22:26 BotSteve 99�F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Phoenix, AZ!  'I just saw a fucking bird panting.'
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22:26 Guest7344 i dont rlly care bout the weather channel
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop and it's warm today
22:26 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: there still is.  12345 is the zip code for _just_ GE.
22:26 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I thought so, tonsofpcs
22:27 Cprossu_Laptop but I don't like using my memory
22:27 Cprossu_Laptop it fails me a lot
22:27 Cprossu_Laptop The reason i knew that is I set up ...falsified profiles for myself before and wondered what 12345 was since it was a valid zipcode
22:27 Guest7344 anyway
22:27 Guest7344 i g2g guys
22:27 tonsofpcs i'm about 100 mi SW but it's so much cooler to type 12345 ;)
22:27 Guest7344 thx for being awesome
22:27 Guest7344 bi
22:27 Cprossu_Laptop I know xD
22:27 Cprossu_Laptop later Guest7344
22:28 Cprossu_Laptop drop by the forums
22:28 Guest7344 sure
22:28 Guest7344 bi
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22:28 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.thegeekgroup.org/
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22:28 tonsofpcs forums take too much time :-p
22:28 Cprossu_Laptop they are good for figuring out long tedious projects though
22:29 Cprossu_Laptop and it gives a good place for peer review if you had a brain fart.
22:29 tonsofpcs yay scanner lock on NOAA....
22:29 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: you into radio too?
22:30 Cprossu_Laptop yay fire dept
22:30 Cprossu_Laptop lol
22:31 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: I'm a broadcast engineer... I have 6 FMs, 2 FM translators, and 2 DTs...
22:31 Cprossu_Laptop *isn't going to switch pc's right now though*
22:31 Cprossu_Laptop totally awesome.
22:31 wannabe1987 http://blog.mlive.com/cgi-bin/mte/mt-comments.cgi  /me is pissed off...like my comment?
22:32 tonsofpcs like I said, I really should get a ham ticket
22:32 Cprossu_Laptop we'll have our own little repeater up sometime too
22:32 Cprossu_Laptop yeah you really should
22:32 Cprossu_Laptop I put mine off for 10 years
22:32 Cprossu_Laptop and only got it recently
22:32 tonsofpcs I've been putting mine off for about 8 years nw
22:32 tonsofpcs granted, when I lived in northern NJ, it was impossible to find a test date/place
22:32 Cprossu_Laptop now you should have no problem
22:33 Cprossu_Laptop you should be able to hit extra with no problem
22:33 tonsofpcs there was a 5am on saturdays not too far (I had no way to get there that early) and a 4pm tuesdays in yonkers....
22:33 Cprossu_Laptop though I would suggest you read the question pools before actually taking the test
22:33 tonsofpcs eh, the higher tests all require you to know the boundaries of the bannds and the operations allowed in each....  I'd personally keep a piece of paper around....
22:34 Cprossu_Laptop the higher tests want you to know more about procedure
22:34 tonsofpcs I mean, I can do the math and know roughly where '11m' is but knowing that the end freqs are [x] and [y]? I don't care.
22:34 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I hear that
22:34 tonsofpcs other than those, I can ace 90-95% of the questions and likely guess the remaining 5%
22:35 tonsofpcs although those block diagrams taht they use really bother me.  I prefer drawing schematics ;)
22:35 Cprossu_Laptop but they are more interested in "Which of the proctoring members are responsible for making sure the test answers are correct"
22:35 Cprossu_Laptop than the frequency stuff
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22:35 Cprossu_Laptop that's what caused me to fail the general test
22:35 Cprossu_Laptop that and not studying for it at all
22:36 tonsofpcs I don't plan on studying. I plan on taking the practice the day before, paying my ($whatever) and taking every test available
22:36 Cprossu_Laptop I had 45 minutes to study for my tech lisc, I used it to read the question pool
22:36 Cprossu_Laptop and I aced that.
22:36 Cprossu_Laptop for $15 you get to take all 3
22:36 tonsofpcs well, it's whatever the LEC wants to charge
22:36 Cprossu_Laptop no morse required
22:37 Cprossu_Laptop ahh
22:37 tonsofpcs but yea, you can pay once and take as many as you want so long as he's around
22:37 tonsofpcs and it's usually $10-20 from what I see
22:37 tonsofpcs c'mon, wasn't "how much should an exam cost" one of the questions in the tech pool? :-p
22:38 Cprossu_Laptop yikes
22:39 Cprossu_Laptop aug 20'th is the next one in your area on the arrl site
22:39 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.arrl.org/exam_sessions/margaretville-ny-12455-10
22:39 tonsofpcs yea, i know
22:39 Cprossu_Laptop and that's a fair bit away from you
22:39 tonsofpcs I'll be asking one of the guys tomorrow night at the SBE meeting if he can grab two other LECs ;)
22:40 tonsofpcs when I moved into town, the local am. radio club had just stopped holding meetings at my place of employ
22:40 Cprossu_Laptop every single thing they could ask is http://www.arrl.org/question-pools though
22:40 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: wow
22:41 Cprossu_Laptop tough break
22:41 tonsofpcs but i haven't really pursued it
22:41 tonsofpcs like I said, I can ask one of theem tomorrow at my engineering meeting
22:41 Cprossu_Laptop yeah but you would have if it was on your doorstep I bet
22:41 tonsofpcs also, someone near the lab should go to local SBE meetings (and maybe join)
22:42 Cprossu_Laptop lol it sounds like a engine threw a rod
22:42 speedrunnerG55 .ping
22:42 Cprossu_Laptop low oil pressure, oil leaking on the drivers side, batt low light, not sounding good
22:43 tonsofpcs alternatively, 14.205 MHz on the second sunday of the month at 0Z
22:43 speedrunnerG55 .seen redhome
22:43 BotSteve speedrunnerG55: I last saw redhome 38.63 hours ago at 2011-06-12 08:05:48 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 22:43:27 UTC
22:44 speedrunnerG55 .c 22:43:27 in days
22:44 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
22:44 speedrunnerG55 .c 22.43 hours in days
22:44 BotSteve 0.934583333 days
22:45 speedrunnerG55 Oops wrong number
22:45 Cprossu_Laptop wait were you serious there, speedrunnerG55?
22:45 speedrunnerG55 What. 1 day 4 hours
22:45 speedrunnerG55 But exactelly how manny days is that
22:46 tonsofpcs 1 day 14 hours
22:46 speedrunnerG55 X_x
22:46 Cprossu_Laptop speedrunnerG55: I ask you again, were you serious?
22:47 tonsofpcs SBE for grand rapids is #102 - http://www.sbe.org/sections/Chapters_by_No.php#Chapter101
22:47 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: we're gonna have to teach everyone long division again.....
22:47 speedrunnerG55 About what.....crap
22:47 wannabe1987 need a laugh http://www.npr.org/blogs/waitwait/2011/06/13/137154443/sandwich-monday-the-oreo-triple-double is funny
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22:47 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: division? that's subtraction
22:48 speedrunnerG55 I used to love long divition ...in 5th grade
22:48 tonsofpcs we should air wait wait don't tell me and says you more often......
22:48 speedrunnerG55 Never did it since
22:48 eadthem tbh im not even shure how you do long division
22:48 Cprossu_Laptop .c 38.63 /24
22:48 BotSteve 1.60958333
22:49 speedrunnerG55 It involves subtraction
22:49 speedrunnerG55 And figuring out the remainflder
22:49 wannabe1987 speedrunnerG55 - DIVISION.  not divination...thats from harry potter
22:49 Seroster Any cheap ways to fix liquid hammer pipes?
22:49 wannabe1987 and i don't know how to do it either o.O
22:49 speedrunnerG55 LOL
22:49 Seroster My parents have this faucet that runs continious 3hz banging while its on
22:49 Cprossu_Laptop .c .6095833 *24
22:49 BotSteve 14.6299992
22:49 tonsofpcs hi eadthem :)
22:50 eadthem hey
22:50 Cprossu_Laptop .c .6299992 *60
22:50 BotSteve 37.799952
22:50 Cprossu_Laptop .c .799952 *60
22:50 BotSteve 47.99712
22:50 Cprossu_Laptop there's your answer.
22:51 Cprossu_Laptop 1 day 14 hours 37 minutes, 47.99712 seconds =P
22:51 speedrunnerG55 ??
22:51 speedrunnerG55 O_o
22:51 Cprossu_Laptop I give up.
22:51 speedrunnerG55 Thats out dated. Lol jk
22:51 tonsofpcs eadthem: 24 )38.63   24 does not go into 3, 24 goes into 38  1., subtract 24 from 38., get 14., carry the 63 down.  24 goes into 146  6 (1.6), subtraact 6*24 from 146, carry the 3 down, repeat, adding 0s at the end as neeeded
22:52 tonsofpcs speedrunnerG55: you could just subtract "last seen time" from "current time"
22:53 tonsofpcs hey look, a BSW catalog
22:53 Cprossu_Laptop division is just subtraction for the remainder.
22:53 Cprossu_Laptop anyway it's simple =P
22:53 speedrunnerG55 Thats what i said
22:54 speedrunnerG55 But differently
22:54 speedrunnerG55 speedrunnerG55: It involves subtraction speedrunnerG55: And figuring out the remainflder
22:54 speedrunnerG55 I said it in 3ngrish
22:55 * speedrunnerG55 rolls around
22:55 Cprossu_Laptop my cat says it didn't care and would rather have it's belly rubbed
22:56 Cprossu_Laptop at least they put the cameras on rotate =)
22:56 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: you can see more of the lab now
22:57 Cprossu_Laptop and keep in mind it used to be a YMCA
22:57 Cprossu_Laptop and where the 2 big tesla coils are used to be an indoor pool
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22:58 Cprossu_Laptop before the previous owners put concrete over it
22:58 tonsofpcs they just filled in the pool?
22:58 tonsofpcs that would have been an awesome place for tesla coils!
22:58 Cprossu_Laptop yeah everyone knows
22:58 Cprossu_Laptop but hey you can't argue
22:58 tonsofpcs who gets to be the one to make the as-builts once the video system is done?
22:59 Cprossu_Laptop well the video system is just for the livestream
22:59 Cprossu_Laptop but they have other video projects going
23:00 Cprossu_Laptop ie the cameras used for the livestream aren't the ones they use for the videos you see on youtube (obviously)
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23:00 Cprossu_Laptop and the picture quality will get much better when they build up a pc to use their blackmagic intensity card
23:01 Cprossu_Laptop the limiting factor is a piece of crap haugeppauge card
23:01 Cprossu_Laptop and why you see the green lines at the top and bottom
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23:02 Cprossu_Laptop plus it doesn't help that right now the 'camera switching mechanism' is an old security cam DVR
23:02 Cprossu_Laptop that's why there's a synch loss at each camera switch
23:03 tonsofpcs there's also some ringing happening there (probably in the security switcher)
23:05 Cprossu_Laptop once they are done moving from the previous location they'll have a full cnc lab, demo hall, hv lab, computer lab, tv studio and audio studio to start with
23:05 Cprossu_Laptop and I don't know where they are dumping the repeater just yet
23:06 Cprossu_Laptop and they are gonna get a cafe opened too
23:06 Cprossu_Laptop so it should kick butt.
23:06 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: jaaz95 on Project hick ship... the ontario chapters redneck rocketry program.
23:07 tonsofpcs HV lab?
23:07 Cprossu_Laptop high voltage
23:07 tonsofpcs right, I get that.  for what?
23:07 Cprossu_Laptop aka where the tesla coils are currently
23:07 tonsofpcs oh
23:07 Cprossu_Laptop it has a full cage around it too
23:07 Cprossu_Laptop for demos
23:07 tonsofpcs I hope those are placed sufficiently away from the video/audio stuff (and in a faraday cage)
23:08 Cprossu_Laptop yeah it's far away, but when gemini starts up, there's no containing that em
23:09 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: ##video , ifb has a jupiter system and says he might have the software
23:11 speedrunnerG55 I winder why the iphone has no ipvy options
23:11 speedrunnerG55 Ipv6*
23:11 tonsofpcs why does it need it?
23:12 speedrunnerG55 I thought i would
23:12 tonsofpcs you would think that the saturn's manual would tell you how to get it going without reconfiguring it though...
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23:13 speedrunnerG55 Hi steve
23:14 egrsteve hello
23:14 tonsofpcs steve - found someone who has a jupiter router system in use and at least has used it, might have the software, might have some familiarity with it
23:15 egrsteve wonderful, he have any tips on getting it running or haven't you talked yet?
23:16 Cprossu_Laptop egrsteve, ##video
23:16 Cprossu_Laptop we're giving that a go
23:17 egrsteve hmm, I need to get the lobby cam  working again, it has a bad output jack
23:17 tonsofpcs i'm guessing he may have just gotten in, he replied to me about 10 minutes ago, Cprossu_Laptop is chatting him up but he hasn't responded yet
23:17 egrsteve ah ok
23:17 tonsofpcs egrsteve: good news! you have plenty of spare camera parts in one of those bins that was shown in the videos ;)
23:18 LeadHead Cprossu, I knew it wasn't as simple as a loose wire to the fuel pum
23:18 egrsteve yes I do, I think I just need a connector or maybe just some soldering on that one though
23:18 Cprossu_Laptop rofl LeadHead is it plugged too?
23:18 egrsteve ? ##video
23:18 LeadHead No
23:18 LeadHead Today, it wouldn't start again
23:18 Cprossu_Laptop egrsteve: it's an IRC channel
23:18 Cprossu_Laptop so /join ##video
23:18 LeadHead I turned the key on, took the air flow sensor off, and pushed the vane open
23:18 LeadHead pump turned on
23:18 LeadHead and I heard gas going through the rail
23:19 Cprossu_Laptop o_O
23:19 LeadHead tried to start it right after
23:19 LeadHead sputtered a bit
23:19 LeadHead went back, pushed the vane open let the pump some more
23:19 LeadHead rinse, repeat
23:19 Cprossu_Laptop so tonsofpcs, who there had used it?
23:20 LeadHead after about 4 cycles of that it started right up
23:20 Cprossu_Laptop screename wise?
23:20 egrsteve didn't know you could have a channel name startign with #
23:21 Cprossu_Laptop yeah they all are
23:21 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: ifb
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23:21 Seroster BatSteve-Away, why are you always away? You dun love me no more?
23:22 tonsofpcs cahnnels start with & or # or are just numbers.  On freenode, everything startss with # or ##, ## is used for 'about' channels
23:22 egrsteve ah ok
23:22 Cprossu_Laptop even we are #thegeekgroup
23:22 Seroster But it doesnt care much if you type /join #electronics or /join ##electronics.
23:23 tonsofpcs Seroster: well, that's because someone has #electronics and has it set to forward to ##electronics
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23:23 Seroster Then why bother having the ##?
23:24 tonsofpcs Seroster: freenode policy.  You can't register and own the #, just the ##.
23:24 eadthem anyone know where to buy a4tech keyboards?
23:24 Seroster Eh, what about #thegeekgroup?
23:25 tonsofpcs it's a channel for an organization, not an 'about' channel
23:25 tonsofpcs examples: ##electronics is 'about' electronics, ##video is 'about' video, ##linux is 'about' linux, #ubuntu is run by the ubuntu organization
23:25 tonsofpcs (well, canonical)
23:25 egrsteve is now known as egrsteve_afk
23:26 Cprossu_Laptop tonsofpcs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUwQn-BI344&amp;feature=player_profilepage#t=39s
23:26 Cprossu_Laptop ^ not much you can do about em interference from certain things though
23:27 tonsofpcs nice
23:27 tonsofpcs 3 sheets of lead maybe? :)
23:27 tonsofpcs with isolated copper faraday cages built between each layer?
23:28 LeadHead lead for EMF?
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23:31 Cprossu_Laptop egrsteve_afk: if it's possible bring a decent digital camera (or see if you can use red's) and take pictures of everything frame related so we can ID what the heck it is, and any other parts of the saturn that we own.
23:37 Cprossu_Laptop but nice to have you drop by, tonsofpcs
23:40 Obtuse_ check this out guys ... WALL-E Robot ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_pWCUh3b0E&amp;feature=feedu
23:40 Obtuse_ on the cheap
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23:58 Toastdude Hi egrsteve!
23:59 egrsteve hello toastdude
23:59 Toastdude What's up?
23:59 Cprossu_Laptop hey egrsteve welcome back
23:59 Cprossu_Laptop it seems that I killed the video room =(

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