Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-06-19

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Time Nick Message
00:00 tggmc ya it was even recieving current text
00:00 SparkyProjects Did you follow the link to my googlesite ? more info about addons
00:00 Cprossu weird!
00:00 speedrunnerG55 Steve has a fb?
00:01 speedrunnerG55 Eh?
00:01 tggmc i might
00:01 wannabe1987 everyone but Cprossu has facebook
00:01 wannabe1987 weirdo
00:01 tggmc but gool luck finding it
00:01 tggmc * good luck
00:01 Ponko92 wannabe1987 red hasn't done to me what she has to you
00:01 speedrunnerG55 Gool
00:01 speedrunnerG55 Lol
00:02 tggmc ok, dinner time
00:02 wannabe1987 tggmc i found it...
00:02 SparkyProjects I don't have/want facebook, probably for the same reasons as Cprossu
00:02 wannabe1987 Ponko92 what?  she hasn'
00:02 wannabe1987 t bitched you out?
00:02 Seroster I thought cprossu was a man xD
00:02 Thermoelectric I have Facebook, but I don't want it.
00:02 speedrunnerG55 You think i fan find you
00:02 Ponko92 no pm what happened
00:02 speedrunnerG55 Thatts just a challenge
00:02 tggmc but you have fiends I have, if you don't it's harders
00:02 speedrunnerG55 >:)
00:03 Ponko92 hey wannabe if i skype call her she'll be under my spell (i don't even know how i do it though)
00:03 Seroster SparkyProjects, I won't buy it from the net, because when it craps out I want to be able to bring it back and complain =P
00:03 Ponko92 aparently its my voice o_O
00:03 Cprossu tggmc see you in a bit
00:04 SparkyProjects Seroster, i only use the net to find something i want, then go find a local store
00:04 SparkyProjects Though i do have an account with a company i used to deal with in my old job, so it's easy if i make a complaint
00:05 Seroster oo
00:05 Ponko92 .log
00:05 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
00:05 SparkyProjects in fact i have an account with 2 companies, both are UK
00:06 * speedrunnerG55 is on the hunt for steve on fb
00:06 SparkyProjects speedrunnerG55, look for 'the terminator' :D
00:06 speedrunnerG55 Ok
00:07 SparkyProjects Just joking :P
00:07 wannabe1987 speedrunnerG55 good luck
00:07 Seroster .g Facebook steve
00:07 BotSteve Seroster: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Steve-Kagen/8032945425
00:07 Seroster See
00:07 speedrunnerG55 Darn u
00:07 Seroster There we got steve.
00:08 speedrunnerG55 Thats steve?
00:08 Seroster Ofcourse it is
00:08 wannabe1987 ...
00:08 Seroster Maybe not the right steve... But it IS steve.
00:09 Cprossu hey tggmc: I think there might be a wrong mac addy in it
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00:09 wannabe1987 wrong steve
00:09 wannabe1987 hi Fulsy
00:09 speedrunnerG55 :P
00:09 Fulsy Hi, wannabe
00:09 Ponko92 everyone loves The Terminator.......
00:09 Thermoelectric Is Steve even under the name Steve on Facebook?
00:09 Ponko92 Steve
00:10 Cprossu I think I booted the frame!
00:10 Cprossu 00:00:39:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:10 tonsofpcs whooo
00:10 Cprossu ^ now what the fuck does this mean?
00:10 tonsofpcs that means that something named unknown requested an ip
00:10 tonsofpcs it logged it as 0x7
00:10 tonsofpcs at least, that's how i read it
00:11 Cprossu * Jupiter Firmware Release 6.2.1 *
00:11 Cprossu Saturn AVP
00:11 Cprossu Compiled Dec 17 2001 14:15:21
00:11 Cprossu My ethernet address 00:80:ce:05:01:94
00:11 Cprossu BOOTP Request for saturn.sys
00:11 Cprossu attempting BOOTP
00:11 Cprossu Sent BOOTP request...Waiting 99 ticks...Received reply.
00:11 Cprossu My IP 192.168.253.10, Server IP 192.168.253.1
00:11 Cprossu 00:00:00:00 (tRootTask): GetChannelExistance: mcsDescTable[0].Audio12 undefined.
00:11 Cprossu Starting board, entry point: 0x87ccaa
00:11 Cprossu interrupt: Sync appears to be valid.
00:11 Cprossu 00:00:00:04 (tStartBoard): GetChannelExistance: Table[0].Audio12 undefined.
00:11 Cprossu_Laptop hrmmm no more info?
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00:11 thewii552 automatic camera switching?
00:12 tonsofpcs yes
00:12 tonsofpcs security camera box
00:12 tonsofpcs that has weird termination issues
00:12 Cprossu tonsofpcs
00:12 Cprossu AVP3500> 00:00:04:06 (tAutx): Auto Defeat enabled.
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:04:21 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:05:19 (tS000): MCC3500 not responding: AVP3500: Port 01: 0x0600106d
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:07:02 (tProc): Auto Defeat disabled.
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:09:21 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:14:21 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:19:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:24:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:29:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:34:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 Cprossu 00:00:39:22 (tDlnk): IP Address Request for unknown LogAddr 0x7
00:12 tonsofpcs why is autodefeat enabled?
00:12 Cprossu I don't know but hey
00:12 tonsofpcs that's a dip switch
00:12 Cprossu FRAME IS BOOTED!
00:12 tonsofpcs cool
00:12 tonsofpcs is it working?
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00:12 Thermoelectric Morning Lemming.
00:12 Cprossu the control surface has the wrong address though
00:13 Cprossu MCC3500 not responding: AVP3500: Port 01: 0x0600106d
00:13 Cprossu hey steve
00:13 Cprossu get back here
00:13 tonsofpcs tggmc: ^^
00:13 Cprossu we only have one problem left!
00:13 tonsofpcs heh
00:13 tonsofpcs or so you think :-p
00:13 Cprossu tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc
00:13 Cprossu tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc
00:13 Cprossu tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc tggmc
00:14 tonsofpcs tggmc: you need to set up some sort of paging system (maybe tie it into clearcom and have it 'call' and emit a tone sequence) that IRC can page
00:14 Ponko92 lol i can hear that sound
00:14 tonsofpcs what sound?
00:14 Ponko92 is that the point of your escapades Cprossu?
00:14 Ponko92 the ding sound
00:14 tonsofpcs Ponko92: are you at tgg?
00:15 Cprossu_Laptop lol
00:15 Ponko92 nooo i'm watching the stream
00:15 Cprossu_Laptop yes
00:15 Cprossu_Laptop hang on
00:15 tonsofpcs oh lol
00:15 Cprossu_Laptop I've got to find the last piece of the puzzle
00:15 Fulsy I heard Boden yelling earlier
00:15 Sgt_Lemming left #thegeekgroup
00:15 Fulsy or maybe that's just a common occurance
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00:17 speedrunnerG55 O_o Cprossu
00:17 speedrunnerG55 Cprossu: I found steve
00:18 Ponko92 where?
00:18 Ponko92 fb?
00:18 speedrunnerG55 Yes
00:18 Ponko92 i had him then lost him
00:18 speedrunnerG55 http://m.facebook.com/home.php?refid=0&_rdr#!/profile.php?id=114855551863977&refid=0
00:18 speedrunnerG55 Lol jk
00:19 Ponko92 lol
00:20 speedrunnerG55 Im sorry. I had to
00:20 Ponko92 i clicked to make sure you didn't just post his profile on here so ANYONE can add him and i think he prefers
00:20 Ponko92 to have some privacy
00:21 Thermoelectric Considering how hard he is to find, I'd assume he wouldn't appreciate that.
00:21 speedrunnerG55 Ye.
00:21 speedrunnerG55 Ill respect thay
00:21 speedrunnerG55 That
00:21 Ponko92 good thing
00:22 Cprossu ok I've worked out the last thing!
00:22 Ponko92 i used my full name to make myself hard to find by dickheads idk or don't like
00:22 Cprossu Unique Serial Data Bus ID
00:22 Cprossu is the last thing that needs to be done!
00:22 Ponko92 it was mainly for the latter though
00:22 Cprossu fucking hell I am happy
00:23 tonsofpcs hi
00:23 Cprossu tonsofpcs, can you look for anything in the documents that references unique serial data bus ID?
00:23 tonsofpcs yes, there's a bunch
00:23 tonsofpcs that's the hex number you sent to me earlier that i completely ignored
00:23 Cprossu all he needs to do is find it
00:23 tonsofpcs 00something
00:23 Cprossu I think I got a number wrong or two
00:23 Cprossu it was in a picture
00:25 Ponko92 i can just see steve going ballistic if you DID post his profile on here
00:25 Cprossu CaptainBoden: FRAME IS BOOTED!!!!!!
00:25 Ponko92 probably the first time we'll see steve angry on stream
00:25 Thermoelectric I think Boden and Steve(?) are in the HVL
00:26 Ponko92 anyway
00:26 Cprossu gen badass and steve are eating dinner in hvl
00:26 Cprossu at the very least
00:26 Ponko92 how do you know? o_O
00:26 Thermoelectric Ah, that seems likely.
00:26 Cprossu because I am all knowing, Ponko92
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00:27 Ponko92 you and you're arizona ways
00:27 Ponko92 your*
00:27 Cprossu at least I feel like it after configuring this piece of shit called jupiter
00:27 Ponko92 grammar Ponky grammar
00:28 Psi left #thegeekgroup
00:28 Ponko92 i think Arizona University seems a very tempting offer if you know whats happening and whats going to happen
00:29 Ponko92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppvv7KGyEVo what a hot head
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00:32 Seroster SparkyProjects, wich one woud you recommend, the 400SEK model, http://www.kjell.com/?item=48113&path=552500000,568500000  or the 500SEK model?  http://www.kjell.com/?item=48275&path=552500000,568500000   One GBP is about 10 SEK.
00:33 Ponko92 hmmm
00:33 Seroster The cheaper one max out at 20mohms, the expensive 40
00:33 Seroster Both are 400a, with a hold function
00:35 Ponko92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8dW9Hyno0&feature=s2l idk if this available for some but this is very funny
00:35 Seroster The uploader has not made this video available in your country
00:35 SparkyProjects I would go with 40mohms for my purposes if i was doing electronics or testing for insulation leakage etc
00:35 Ponko92 ok i'll stop doing a kristopher and spamming youtube URLs
00:36 SparkyProjects Though i still say multimeter and adaptor as you can also get DC adaptors
00:36 Seroster I think I'll go for 40m too
00:36 Seroster To be honest I want a clamper =P
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00:38 speedrunnerG55 And so my quest to find steve. Continues
00:38 wannabe1987 left #thegeekgroup
00:39 speedrunnerG55 Awww wannabe left
00:39 Ponko92 hey steve
00:40 Cprossu read the screen
00:40 Cprossu @ tggmc
00:40 Ponko92 she'll be back speedy
00:40 Cprossu we're there I think!
00:40 Cprossu this should do _something_ once we get that addr in
00:41 Cprossu kk ^_^
00:41 Cprossu I think my stream fell behind 10 seconds
00:41 Cprossu so I am pausing it
00:41 Cprossu and restarting
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00:41 Cprossu k I'm back in
00:42 tonsofpcs Cprossu: any furtherance? (sorry, i'm doign other things)
00:44 Cprossu not the mac, we are looking for a different one, tggmc
00:44 Cprossu there's something else
00:44 Cprossu on the rear
00:44 Cprossu of the unit
00:44 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you are just using a simlple hub and 10b2 network.  You could run ethereal
00:44 Cprossu let me get the pic
00:44 Cprossu no tonsofpcs this is for the serial part
00:45 Cprossu ok hrmmm wow I heard doubletalk
00:45 Cprossu so I did that right then
00:45 Cprossu tonsofpcs did the documentation say where to find that number?
00:45 Cprossu look in your documentation steve
00:45 Cprossu too
00:46 Cprossu let me show you what we have
00:46 Ponko92 see speedy i told you she'd be back
00:46 Cprossu wow
00:46 Cprossu the stream is skipping
00:46 Cprossu let me figure out why
00:46 Cprossu yeah my fault on my end
00:47 Cprossu ok read hyperterm
00:47 Cprossu see where is says mcc3600 not responding?
00:47 SparkyProjects Chris knows about the skipping, something to do with the output PC
00:48 Cprossu lol I had another stream opened at the same time
00:48 Cprossu figured it out
00:48 Cprossu it was really messing with me
00:49 Cprossu I can't stand talking into myself either
00:49 Cprossu with a 5 second delay
00:49 Cprossu it breaks my brain
00:49 Ponko92 well thats a mind fuck and a half
00:49 Cprossu and makes me blither
00:49 Cprossu no tggmc
00:50 Cprossu I didn't update anything
00:50 Ponko92 i have mild skitsofrenia btw lol
00:50 tonsofpcs Cprossu: it's on the frame, on a sticker
00:50 tonsofpcs i think
00:50 Cprossu read hyperterm
00:50 tonsofpcs it's near the top of section 2 or 3
00:50 Ponko92 hearing voices doesn't bode well with me
00:50 Cprossu see how it says mcc3500 or whaver not found?
00:50 Thermoelectric "I can hear voices and they don't like you"
00:50 Cprossu tonsofpcs says it's on the frame?
00:50 Cprossu hrmmm
00:51 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you pasted it in here earlier, didn't you?
00:51 Cprossu like the AVP frame
00:51 Cprossu or the switcher itself?
00:51 Cprossu that's what I put in
00:51 Cprossu and it didn't take
00:51 tonsofpcs oh
00:51 Cprossu or find it
00:51 Ponko92 thermoelectric :( yeah thats what i hear at times
00:51 tonsofpcs idk, probably the frame
00:52 Cprossu 00:00:05:22 (tS000): MCC3500 not responding: AVP3500: Port 01: 0x0600106d
00:52 tonsofpcs that one
00:52 Ponko92 not exactly that but something about not being liked
00:52 tonsofpcs 0600106d
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00:52 Cprossu 0080ce050936
00:52 Cprossu 0600106d
00:52 Cprossu 10950438
00:52 * Ponko92 needs to get some air before they come back
00:53 Thermoelectric Ponko92: Was just a quote from an image. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/188774_1988747797777_1215804386_2469421_5334994_n.jpg
00:53 Cprossu I typed in 0600106d to the box btw
00:53 SparkyProjects About voices, you should hear it when the stream is being picked up by the stream mic and is sent round again :D
00:53 SparkyProjects I tried it on my test stream :P
00:53 Ponko92 yeah i know what you meant but it made me think
00:53 Ponko92 and sometimes that's VERY bad
00:54 tonsofpcs well, does it change if you type 0600107d?
00:54 speedrunnerG55 wannabe is back :)
00:54 Cprossu is there a possibility the serial end of the control surface to the avp3500 is disconnected or incorrect?
00:54 Cprossu tggmc %
00:54 Ponko92 is it like getting 2 phones and putting them both on speaker and making a noise to set them off
00:54 SparkyProjects Haha, i know :)
00:54 Cprossu hang on
00:54 Cprossu is there a possibility the serial end of the control surface to the avp3500 is disconnected or incorrect?
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00:55 Ponko92 speedy you scared her off
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00:55 speedrunnerG55 %appdata% FTW
00:55 speedrunnerG55 o_o
00:55 Cprossu what page on sections 2 or 3, tonsofpcs?
00:55 * speedrunnerG55 :(
00:55 Cprossu hrmmm
00:56 Cprossu then what's wrong
00:56 SparkyProjects Steve, i used to do something similar with 2 reel to reel tape recorders, but feeding the tape through both heads (record and play), by saying 'mad'  it built up to soundiing like church bells
00:56 Cprossu were the mcc's swapped between the avp3500 and the dvp 2500?
00:56 Cprossu *3500
00:56 Cprossu tggmc ^
00:56 Cprossu beats me
00:56 Cprossu but can you go look at the other mcc
00:56 tonsofpcs Cprossu: there's supposed to be serial and ip connection, right?
00:56 Cprossu see if the "unknown" number whatever is the same
00:57 Cprossu indeed, tonsofpcs
00:57 tonsofpcs Cprossu: it showed it in a config table somewhere
00:57 Cprossu the serial part is failing
00:57 tonsofpcs i rememeber seeing it
00:57 tonsofpcs but it basically said 'enter this'
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00:59 Ponko92 Keep feeling fascination.
00:59 Ponko92 lol Human League
01:00 Cprossu CP300A
01:00 Cprossu wait a moment
01:00 Cprossu I saw something about that
01:00 Cprossu somewhere
01:00 Ponko92 Chaka Kahn i feel you
01:01 Cprossu tonsofpcs I have a headache
01:01 Ponko92 i think i love you
01:01 Cprossu I think we need that other switcher
01:01 Ponko92 Nuprin for your problems Cprossu
01:02 Cprossu sounds like "FUN"
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01:03 Cprossu before you swap
01:03 Cprossu tggmc
01:03 Cprossu tggmc tggmc
01:03 Ponko92 .......
01:03 Cprossu let's try a powerdown of both devices
01:04 Cprossu in case something got tired
01:04 Ponko92 ahh TOUCHDOWN Cprossu
01:04 * speedrunnerG55 rawres
01:04 * speedrunnerG55 a wild speedrunnerG55 aprotches
01:05 Cprossu turn hyperterm back on
01:05 Cprossu too
01:05 Cprossu I lost connection as well
01:06 Cprossu just wait
01:06 Cprossu tggmc: I am hoping that's a bootstrap
01:06 * Ponko92 is going out for a walk
01:06 speedrunnerG55 Ok Ponko92
01:07 Ponko92 yeah need to clear my head of these damn voices ;(
01:07 wannabe1987 .
01:07 Cprossu FUCKING WOW
01:07 Ponko92 is staying to see the big thing
01:07 Cprossu ARE THOSE MY LABELS?!
01:07 Cprossu FUCKING HELL!
01:08 Cprossu xD
01:08 Cprossu btw mc0 is input 0
01:08 Cprossu FUCKING YES!
01:08 Cprossu so how about dem apples?
01:09 Cprossu I wrote that config from scratch tggmc !
01:09 Thermoelectric Good job!
01:10 Cprossu phew I am glad I thought of restarting it
01:10 Cprossu hahah
01:12 Cprossu tonsofpcs thanks for your help
01:12 Cprossu next step is trying to pass a video signal
01:12 speedrunnerG55 wannabe?
01:12 SparkyProjects If at first you don't succeed, Reboot :D
01:12 speedrunnerG55 "."
01:12 Cprossu tggmc : here you go
01:12 * wannabe1987 goes to shower...bbl
01:12 Cprossu this is how shit is set up
01:12 speedrunnerG55 Kk
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01:30 speedrunnerG55 wannabes back
01:30 speedrunnerG55 Hi
01:31 eadthem whats the best way to trim 1/8 inch off a sheet of plexiglass?
01:32 Cprossu with killer bees and greek fire
01:32 Thermoelectric Belt sander?
01:32 SparkyProjects Either a good saw, or a plane, or one of those 'surform' things
01:32 eadthem i used a dremel and 1/16th drill bit to melt 1 1/2 inch x 1 1/2 inch nothces in 1 side
01:33 eadthem but i dont think i can keep up a strait line for 24 inches
01:33 speedrunnerG55 With a high power laser
01:33 speedrunnerG55 Idk
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01:33 speedrunnerG55 Band saw?
01:33 eadthem ya  dont have one
01:33 LeadHead get a ruler
01:33 LeadHead and an xacto
01:33 eadthem and when i used the copeing saw for the corners it cracked  and i had to melt the crack to stop it
01:34 LeadHead and score the shit out of it
01:34 LeadHead both sides
01:34 eadthem ya i think thats what lowes did
01:34 Fulsy guys, what's your opinion on maxor HDD's?
01:34 LeadHead Shit.
01:34 Fulsy *maxtor
01:34 eadthem crap
01:34 LeadHead Well less shit now
01:34 LeadHead older ones are real shit
01:34 Cprossu I'd rather have a newer seagate maxtor than a maxtor maxtor or a quantum maxtor
01:34 Cprossu *this only made sense to one person I bet*
01:35 eadthem makes sense to me
01:35 eadthem id rather have a 5 year warrenty seagate or WD personaly
01:35 Cprossu or even worse
01:35 Cprossu a miniscribe
01:35 Cprossu (shudderrrrr)
01:35 eadthem however hitachi have had soem good reviews of longjevity lately
01:35 LeadHead I'm not old enough to experience miniscribe
01:35 LeadHead Hitachi bought the Deathstar line
01:35 LeadHead and turned them around somewhat
01:35 eadthem whats a miniscribe
01:35 Cprossu experience isn't the right word, LeadHead
01:36 LeadHead Suffer through
01:36 Cprossu .g miniscribe piece of shit
01:36 BotSteve Cprossu: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/09/02/2319259/Video-Appliance-For-a-Large-Library-On-a-Network
01:36 Cprossu that din't work
01:36 Cprossu damn
01:36 Fulsy I think my computer is WD
01:36 eadthem LeadHead they msut of worked a bloddy merical because the last 2 reviews i saw of them wer glowing
01:36 Cprossu http://www.biocomp.net/miniscribe1.jpg
01:36 Fulsy We have a whole bunch of jank maxtors lying arond
01:36 eadthem and i remeber the deathstars
01:36 Cprossu miniscribe is what became maxtor
01:36 Cprossu FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU miniscribe =P
01:37 Cprossu and that drive would have been terrible at the time
01:37 LeadHead How old are you Cprossu
01:37 Cprossu if tandom/WD stayed out of it
01:37 Cprossu 25.
01:37 LeadHead Did that Seagate/Samsung merger
01:37 Cprossu http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AOPmIeK1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
01:37 LeadHead ever come to fruitition
01:37 Cprossu ^ see this
01:37 Cprossu this is the worst hard drive ever made.
01:38 Cprossu they all failed if you used them at all
01:38 Cprossu some even if you left them in the box
01:38 speedrunnerG55 I cant keep up with this
01:38 eadthem that i dont remeber
01:39 Cprossu FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
01:39 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: jaaz95 on First light....for real this time......jaaz95 on Project hick ship... the ontario chapters redneck rocketry program.
01:39 Cprossu worst drive ever.
01:39 speedrunnerG55 0_o
01:39 speedrunnerG55 Is that a stepper moter yo?
01:39 Cprossu yes it is
01:39 speedrunnerG55 Lol
01:39 Cprossu ,yo
01:39 eadthem easy Cprossu  you might turn in to flyback
01:40 eadthem .g flyback urban dictionary
01:40 BotSteve eadthem: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flyback
01:40 eadthem someone that use to grace the ##electronics channal
01:41 speedrunnerG55 I go in ##electronics
01:41 speedrunnerG55 Its a fun channel
01:42 eadthem ok lets try an exacto knife
01:42 SparkyProjects Don't press too hard with the exacto, let it do the work
01:43 eadthem ya i might have to go buy some xacto stuff
01:43 eadthem my current blades are somewhere between a butter knife and a spoon
01:43 SparkyProjects I usually use a plane for that amount
01:43 * wannabe1987 goes home now...bbl
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01:45 eadthem so 1 score and then i can break?
01:46 SparkyProjects You'll probably need several scores on each side
01:46 Thermoelectric "LeadHead: and score the shit out of it"
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01:46 Fulsy should I defrag?
01:47 Obtuse_ you should format and just start over
01:47 SparkyProjects If you have a fibe saw, (hacksaw), make some cuts from the edge to the score line once ytyou score it, you can then break it off in sections
01:47 SparkyProjects *fine
01:47 Obtuse_ j/k, i just came in late and that is usually my answer
01:47 LeadHead I find that going at any kind of plastic
01:47 LeadHead with a saw, grinder/sander, or even a planer
01:47 LeadHead is just asking for trouble
01:48 LeadHead unless you take things real slow
01:48 Obtuse_ so what is the proper way to cut plastic?
01:48 SparkyProjects Yeah, i do it slow
01:48 LeadHead Knife
01:48 LeadHead or sharp blade
01:49 LeadHead and cut through it
01:49 LeadHead or water jet/laser
01:49 LeadHead score/break
01:49 SparkyProjects Depends on the plastic, perspex usually has instructions on the protective film, though that doesn't alwways work, especially if it's cold and brittle
01:49 speedrunnerG55 My mom got my dad a grill for fathers day
01:49 speedrunnerG55 :)
01:50 LeadHead The biggest drag about trying to use a dremel to grind/cut plastic
01:50 LeadHead is that they spin so fast
01:50 LeadHead it melts it into worthless ness
01:50 speedrunnerG55 U gota trimm the bruus
01:50 speedrunnerG55 Lol
01:51 speedrunnerG55 Burs*
01:51 Obtuse_ lol. sounds like you have tried and failed with the dremmel
01:51 LeadHead speedrunnerG55:
01:51 SparkyProjects The drmel bits are too small forplastic, they get hot and clog quickly, a router would be better, but that can chip the plastic
01:51 LeadHead You have parents, right?
01:51 speedrunnerG55 Dont hurt me
01:51 speedrunnerG55 Bers?
01:51 LeadHead Do any of them have college education?
01:51 speedrunnerG55 Yes they boath do
01:51 LeadHead Okay, from now on
01:52 LeadHead I want them to proof read every IRC message you send
01:52 speedrunnerG55 :p
01:54 eadthem thats a little hasr dont you think?
01:54 eadthem harse*
01:54 eadthem harsh*
01:55 Thermoelectric The alternative is speed proofreading his own messages.
01:55 LeadHead Hasn't worked well for him so far though
01:55 eadthem sad part was   that wasnt intentonal
01:57 Cprossu is everyone watching the stream?
01:57 SparkyProjects I am
01:58 Thermoelectric Sortof.
01:58 LeadHead negative
01:58 LeadHead watching burnouts
01:58 Obtuse_ no, i am now
01:58 Obtuse_ wait is there something big goin on?
01:58 Cprossu can't wuite read that
01:58 Thermoelectric Not by the looks of things.
01:59 eadthem xacto blade facing backwards in vice grips seams to work well for creating a vscore
01:59 Obtuse_ i'm sad that I didn't see gemini
01:59 Obtuse_ at night
01:59 SparkyProjects There's a ghost in the laptop :D
01:59 Cprossu that's no laptop
01:59 Cprossu it's a rackmounted screen
01:59 Thermoelectric Hah.
02:00 SparkyProjects ah
02:00 Thermoelectric Looks better highlighted.
02:00 eadthem that it ?
02:00 eadthem you on there computer over a VNC like setup ?
02:01 Cprossu uh oh
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02:01 Cprossu inet dead
02:01 Cprossu I think
02:01 injektion My dad and I are fighting again about tesla coils
02:01 SparkyProjects Timed out connection ?
02:01 injektion He says they are not even science just toys
02:01 eadthem fighting?
02:02 Obtuse_ um, how is electricity not science?
02:02 Cprossu damn
02:02 SparkyProjects Of course they are science, many toys are science too
02:02 Cprossu is the stream down for you too?
02:02 Thermoelectric Affirmative
02:02 Cprossu their internet just took a shat
02:02 SparkyProjects yes it's down
02:02 eadthem hes just upset cus he dont undestand them
02:02 Obtuse_ stream just went off air
02:02 eadthem ya it died for me to
02:02 Fulsy Stream is confirmed down
02:02 Obtuse_ and then it comes back
02:02 Thermoelectric Tis back
02:02 Obtuse_ wtf
02:02 SparkyProjects it's back
02:02 Fulsy back
02:02 Thermoelectric Argh! Ad!
02:02 Obtuse_ A mazda commercial
02:03 Obtuse_ Mazda does make some solid cars
02:03 Fulsy Sealy
02:03 Thermoelectric Foxtel...
02:03 SparkyProjects Brother printers :P
02:03 Obtuse_ I could go for a Mazda 3
02:04 injektion When I get the new VOIP system up my dad is going to set it up by himself
02:04 BatSteve-Away is now known as BatSteve
02:05 Fulsy "I just wanna ride my moootorcy.............cle"
02:05 injektion He's computer phobic :D
02:05 Fulsy OOOH! TECHNOLOGY!
02:05 SparkyProjects Injektion, show him this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7fgcnzhmw
02:06 eadthem well i got it broke off
02:06 Fulsy wow that vid goes back
02:06 eadthem plexiglass(Acrylic) is surpsingly bendy
02:06 speedrunnerG55 Should i go on my laptop for the full keyboard?
02:07 eadthem just tied the scrap in a knot
02:07 SparkyProjects If you put plexiglass in a warm oven you can sort of mould it
02:07 eadthem ya ive seen that
02:07 eadthem ok time to sweep the floor and then get the kirby out
02:07 eadthem ive got plastic everywhere
02:08 Thermoelectric So much for Steve only being 10 minutes.
02:08 SparkyProjects Time is in a different dimension at LSL
02:09 Cprossu no comment
02:09 Obtuse_ when you're at the lab, its so easy to get distracted
02:09 SparkyProjects Fulsy, that vid is the best i've seen that explains the Tesla coil  :)
02:09 Fulsy agree
02:09 Obtuse_ you can enter the office and have a long conversation, get asked to move stuff, etc
02:10 BatSteve Cprossu: stand by for pm
02:10 Cprossu internet is going out again
02:10 Obtuse_ you can see people ordering components, figuring out a circuit
02:10 Obtuse_ so many possible distractions.
02:10 Obtuse_ but its wonderful
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02:12 speedrunnerG55 We hold these [redacted] to be self [redacted]
02:12 Fulsy wish I could go there
02:12 Druidic_Rifleman does NOS auto ignight?
02:12 Fulsy sounds like heaven
02:13 Obtuse_ yea, it kind of is
02:13 Cprossu BatSteve: what the fuck!?
02:13 Fulsy I'm jealous
02:13 BatSteve Cprossu?  I have no idea what's going gon
02:13 BatSteve on
02:13 Fulsy Don't have ANYTHING like this over in boring ol' Connectic
02:13 Fulsy *connecticut
02:13 eadthem what do ya recommend treating plexiglass with to make ti slightly conductive to dissapte static electricty
02:13 BatSteve What's happening to my PM's?
02:13 eadthem 3M staticide?
02:14 Cprossu they are all going in garble
02:14 Cprossu and I don't even understand what you are saying
02:14 injektion My dad is like "tesla coils don't matter things like solving issues with mass transit is more important"
02:14 BatSteve stand by
02:14 BatSteve retrynig
02:14 BatSteve retrying
02:14 BatSteve anything?
02:14 eadthem injektion   solving mass transit may require electricty
02:14 eadthem telsa coils are a great way to learn about that
02:15 eadthem just do it in a safe and cautius manner
02:15 Fulsy Hope someone accidently invents teleportation in leonard street one day
02:15 injektion He didn't buy that either
02:15 Fulsy so I can come and visit
02:16 eadthem k  try    im not in to mass transit  im in to high voltage  the same kind that delivers the power to your TV so you can watch your ____ football (blank is optional possably ill advised).
02:17 eadthem btw how old are you
02:17 injektion 24
02:17 eadthem o  so then what dose it matter what he thinks
02:18 speedrunnerG55 Oh hi BatSteve !
02:18 injektion Every time I have some kind of idea my dad shoots it down
02:18 Obtuse_ Fulsy, look up hacker spaces
02:18 BatSteve heya
02:18 Obtuse_ see if there are any near you
02:18 eadthem maby you shuld have pepole in addion to your dad to talk to about such things
02:18 speedrunnerG55 Brb
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02:18 eadthem and peole that shoot ideas down  shuld still be listend to     sometimes  they can themselves give good ideas  with there negitivity
02:18 Obtuse_ they aren't the geek group but they do cool things
02:19 speedrunnerG55 Back
02:19 * Ponko92 is back
02:19 injektion My dad and Boden should sit down but there'd probably be some arguing and fighting involved
02:19 Obtuse_ for what reason?
02:20 Fulsy Ah!
02:20 Fulsy There's CT Hackerspace
02:20 injektion Obtuse_: It's just how my dad is
02:21 Obtuse_ the shitty thing about most hackerspaces, is that they are only open a few nights a week
02:21 Druidic_Rifleman I am bored
02:22 Obtuse_ did you figure out the nerf gun shooter yet?
02:22 Obtuse_ stop being bored and figure it out
02:22 injektion I need more Riesling
02:22 Druidic_Rifleman For the robot?
02:22 Obtuse_ yea.
02:22 Druidic_Rifleman ... wire a relay in place of the trigger switch
02:22 Obtuse_ figure out how you would fire a nerf gun with an arduino
02:23 Druidic_Rifleman relay
02:23 Obtuse_ but the nerf gun isn't electronic
02:23 Obtuse_ what is the relay moving
02:23 Druidic_Rifleman ... Yeah it is
02:23 Thermoelectric Solenoid or an actuator.
02:23 Obtuse_ some are electronic
02:23 Druidic_Rifleman IF i was going to make an auto cocking nerf i'd use a genuine auto cocker
02:23 Obtuse_ but any nerfgun should be fired on the gun module
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman What gun do you think should be used?
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman one like chrisses sniper rifle?
02:24 Obtuse_ one that doesn't require cocking
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman Like an electric one :P
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman the issue is reloading
02:24 Obtuse_ well there's not much you can do about that
02:25 Druidic_Rifleman yeah...
02:25 BatSteve Druidic_Rifleman: drum magazine
02:25 Druidic_Rifleman though i'd use a selinoid and pnumatic ram With a spring if i had to use a pump nerf
02:25 Druidic_Rifleman Still it's What happens when that runs out
02:25 speedrunnerG55 :D HI Ponko92 !!
02:26 speedrunnerG55 Ponko92: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk
02:26 Ponko92 hey speedrunnerG55
02:26 Obtuse_ we'll have the parts for the Power Wheels Robot motor this week
02:26 Obtuse_ motor driver
02:26 Druidic_Rifleman Cool
02:27 Obtuse_ then we'll figure out steering
02:27 Druidic_Rifleman Ontario is discussing Building a hyrbrid rocket XD
02:27 Obtuse_ what is a hybrid rocket?
02:27 Druidic_Rifleman Half liquid or gass half solid
02:27 Druidic_Rifleman space ship 1 used one
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman simplicity of a solid The ability to turn it off like a liquid
02:28 Thermoelectric Half solid (fuel), and the half liquid/gas is usually an oxidizer.
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman best of both words
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman yep
02:28 Ponko92 blimey speedy
02:28 Obtuse_ cool.
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman The problem... I think i might need a larger Piece of PVC for the rocket body
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman I don't think i can fit the bottle
02:29 Fulsy Is anybody into mapping?
02:29 Druidic_Rifleman Do you think 800 PSI worth of nos is to high????
02:29 speedrunnerG55 Brb
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02:29 Thermoelectric Depends what your vessel holding it is rated at.
02:29 Druidic_Rifleman :P
02:30 Druidic_Rifleman I'll probly install a regulator
02:30 Druidic_Rifleman My bob long reg goes to zero i think if not i'll grab a cp reg
02:31 Druidic_Rifleman But this will be fun
02:31 Druidic_Rifleman the hard issue is finding ASA's
02:32 Obtuse_ When I hear someone say they're bored, i'm amazed
02:32 Obtuse_ there's sooooo much to learn and do
02:32 speedrunnerG55 My SSD is faster than your HDD meep meep
02:34 Ponko92 -_- hmmmmm
02:34 Druidic_Rifleman I'd love to see how Fast i could make a 3 inch Piece of Poly ynle clortate pipe fly
02:35 speedrunnerG55 Whats wrong Ponko92 ?
02:36 Ponko92 nothing
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02:37 Cprossu rofl
02:38 Cprossu just called TGG's main phone
02:38 speedrunnerG55 And?
02:38 Cprossu got gen badass once again
02:38 speedrunnerG55 Lol
02:38 Cprossu they've been doing 'stuff' in the hvl
02:38 speedrunnerG55 "stuff"?
02:38 Cprossu stuff.
02:38 Thermoelectric Should've gotten him to switch the cam over
02:39 Cprossu not that kind of stuff
02:39 Ponko92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8dW9Hyno0&feature=s2l watch that speedrunnerG55
02:39 Cprossu the boring kind of stuff
02:39 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: DruidicRifleman on Project hick ship... the ontario chapters redneck rocketry program.
02:39 BatSteve Cprossu: did you get Boden's cell phone number?
02:39 Cprossu no
02:39 Cprossu and that's probably a good thing.
02:39 injektion lol
02:39 Ponko92 haha lol
02:39 speedrunnerG55 Could not load movie
02:39 Cprossu I called up and asked if steve had been sucked into a black hole though xD
02:40 speedrunnerG55 Ponko92: ^
02:40 Ponko92 hmmm
02:40 Ponko92 oh yeah you're on a mobile
02:43 Druidic_Rifleman .minecraft
02:43 BotSteve The 'official' TGG minecraft server address is: gamerxreviews.net **** The server may or may not be down right now.  Try it and let us know.
02:44 speedrunnerG55 Tell us if it works
02:44 speedrunnerG55 K Druidic_Rifleman
02:44 Druidic_Rifleman nope
02:44 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/benchPower.png
02:44 speedrunnerG55 :'(
02:45 eadthem mmm missing a lable or 2  ignore that
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02:46 tggmc liz, did you help clean MC?
02:46 Cprossu wow
02:46 Thermoelectric Steve be... somewhere?
02:47 Cprossu tggmc what the hell
02:47 Cprossu the stream doesn't have you in it
02:47 Thermoelectric ^
02:47 Cprossu is it looping some old video?
02:47 Cprossu the internet died at one point, tggmc
02:47 Cprossu and it's been going video feed 4-10 seconds
02:47 Cprossu and then nothing
02:47 Cprossu but it still shows a picture
02:48 Cprossu tggmc : what does the timecode read now? Close and don't save the wordpad file, also don't ask (I was bored). Look at jupiter configurator, hopefully my twisted mind makes sense to you and you'll be able to interpret what all that crap means when compared to the hardware itself. Also the internet died and the stream is now stuttering badly. 4-10 seconds of video and 4 seconds of cut out, the router might potentially need restarting.
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02:48 Cprossu there you are
02:48 speedrunnerG55 Eh?
02:48 Cprossu it was looping video and audio of you
02:48 speedrunnerG55 Lol
02:48 Cprossu I think the router needs restarting
02:48 Cprossu it's choppy as fuck
02:48 Cprossu yes
02:49 Cprossu it dropped out earlier
02:49 Obtuse_ hello steve
02:49 Cprossu yeah it's terrible
02:49 Cprossu yep
02:49 Ponko92 oh steve is back
02:49 Obtuse_ its comcast internet right?
02:49 Ponko92 hey steve :)
02:49 Cprossu it dropped all kinds of things earlier
02:49 Obtuse_ comcast sucks!
02:50 Cprossu but did you get a look at the config?
02:50 Ponko92 a very busy and productive day you're happening
02:50 Ponko92 having*
02:50 Ponko92 lol
02:50 Cprossu I hope that makes sense to you
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02:50 Cprossu yeah
02:50 Cprossu I tried to do that
02:50 speedrunnerG55 Yo
02:51 Cprossu entry number means input/output
02:51 speedrunnerG55 Optimum rocks
02:51 Cprossu on that frame
02:51 Cprossu or interface
02:51 Cprossu iirc
02:51 Ponko92 ah its a code in binary yes?
02:51 Cprossu get your internet sorted out this is distracting
02:51 Cprossu no it's not Ponko92
02:51 Cprossu no
02:51 Cprossu it died
02:51 Ponko92 hmmm
02:51 Cprossu with the stream
02:51 Cprossu at the same time
02:52 Cprossu that's why I say restart the router
02:52 Cprossu chris is still here right?
02:52 Ponko92 Cprossu is dying in the heat and stupi i mean humidity of AZ
02:53 Cprossu .tfw 85020
02:53 BotSteve 101�F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Phoenix, AZ!  'I'll be in the fridge.'
02:53 Ponko92 .weather KGRR
02:53 BotSteve Cloudy, 73.4℉ (23℃), 29.88in (1009mb), Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KGRR 01:53Z
02:53 Ponko92 .weather Pheonix
02:53 BotSteve Clear ☼, 57.2℉ (14℃), 29.96in (1011mb), Light breeze 5kt (↑) - KOSC 02:34Z
02:53 Thermoelectric .weather Cairns
02:53 Cprossu type it correctly, Ponko92
02:53 BotSteve Clear ☼, 25℃, 1016mb, Moderate breeze 12kt (↑) - YBCS 02:30Z
02:53 Cprossu phoenix.
02:53 Ponko92 -_- hmmm
02:54 Ponko92 grr
02:54 Ponko92 .weather Phoenix
02:54 BotSteve Clear ☼, 100.4℉ (38℃), 29.67in (1001mb), Moderate breeze 12kt (↑) - KPHX 01:51Z
02:54 Ponko92 yep you dead yet Cprossu lol
02:54 Thermoelectric That's a little warm.
02:54 Ponko92 .weather Instanbal
02:54 BotSteve No ICAO code found, sorry
02:54 Cprossu yay router rebooting I hope
02:55 Ponko92 .tfwc Instanbul
02:55 BotSteve Unknown location
02:55 Ponko92 .tfwc Instanbal
02:55 BotSteve Unknown location
02:55 Ponko92 what?
02:55 speedrunnerG55 .tfw 07410
02:55 BotSteve 76�F?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Fair Lawn, NJ!  'I can't  believe it's not porn!'
02:55 speedrunnerG55 Yehhh
02:55 Cprossu I hope some day they get 'real' internet again
02:55 astro73|derrial .tfwc istanbul
02:55 speedrunnerG55 Real?
02:55 BotSteve 20�C?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Istanbul, TU!  'It is safe to take your ball-mittens off.'
02:55 Cprossu as in not comcast
02:55 speedrunnerG55 Lol ok
02:55 exor674 .tfw 80228
02:56 BotSteve 73�F?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Denver, CO!  'I can't  believe it's not porn!'
02:56 Cprossu and not docsis
02:56 Obtuse_ AT&T is the only other provider in GR
02:56 Ponko92 oh ffs lol why did i think there was an N
02:56 speedrunnerG55 What u think about optimum
02:56 Obtuse_ that i know of anyway
02:56 Cprossu Obtuse_: that's not the internet I mean
02:56 Obtuse_ I use to have at&t 24mbps
02:56 Cprossu the internet I mean is like OC3
02:56 Obtuse_ it was pimp
02:56 Obtuse_ oh!!!
02:56 Ponko92 thank you astro73|derrial
02:56 Cprossu or at least T3
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02:57 Cprossu that's what counts as "real" internet
02:57 Cprossu IMO
02:57 Obtuse_ i gotcha
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02:57 Thermoelectric Windows 7 ad! WHY?!
02:57 Cprossu ok we are back up
02:57 Cprossu I got a GMC terrain one
02:57 Ponko92 100% is the difference between A3 & A4
02:57 Cprossu only 15 seconds long though!
02:58 speedrunnerG55 T1-3 is that fiber?
02:58 Cprossu it can be
02:58 Cprossu oc3-oc192 is stacks of fiber though
03:00 Ponko92 damn i want to be with my fiancee :(
03:01 Ponko92 oh steve is logging in
03:01 Cprossu =O
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03:01 Ponko92 STREAM DOWN
03:01 Cprossu oh no
03:01 Thermoelectric :O
03:01 Thermoelectric Another ad!
03:01 Ponko92 yay
03:01 Thermoelectric Urgh, Foxtel again.
03:02 Cprossu steve if you can read this we can't read you again
03:02 speedrunnerG55 Hi liz
03:02 Ponko92 141% is the difference between A3 and A4
03:02 Liz_Home hi
03:02 eadthem man  BP is bussy with the PR
03:02 Cprossu hey Liz_Home
03:02 Cprossu nice to see you
03:02 Ponko92 speedy is the meet and greet
03:02 Liz_Home hi cprossu
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03:02 Ponko92 oooo hes nearly there
03:02 Cprossu tggmc -Much better. That router needs the Thumper fix on it's NVRAM.
03:02 Liz_Home thanks
03:02 Thermoelectric There we go.
03:02 Ponko92 waheyy
03:03 Cprossu not dropping frames, all is good I hope
03:03 speedrunnerG55 Hi tggmc
03:03 Cprossu what kind of router is that damn thing?
03:03 tggmc looks happy here
03:03 Ponko92 we were anticipating your arrival watching you on stream
03:03 Cprossu I want to know what manufacturer to send hate mail.
03:03 Cprossu omg.
03:03 Cprossu that's what happened
03:03 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/benchPower.png  there we go     if anyone cares to look that over   i want to make shure i havent missed anything
03:03 Cprossu you guys
03:04 Cprossu need to diable the dhcp and the router part
03:04 Ponko92 Comcast? now why does that sound familiar?
03:04 Cprossu it's doable
03:04 Cprossu and run a passthrough
03:04 Cprossu to a real router
03:04 Cprossu I have a motorola that's the same way
03:04 speedrunnerG55 Lol chcp problems
03:04 Cprossu ipcop
03:04 Cprossu for the win
03:04 speedrunnerG55 Dhcp
03:04 Ponko92 .w Comcast
03:04 BotSteve "Comcast Corporation (NASDAQ: CMCSA and NASDAQ: CMCSK), commonly referred to as Comcast, is the largest cable operator, home internet service provider, and third largest home telephone service provider in the United States, providing cable television, broadband [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast
03:04 Cprossu SBG900?
03:04 eadthem it is a safety lockout box for testing line voltage power supplys,   to sheald aganst failures, and  force powering off before you can so much as move a oscope lead
03:04 Cprossu well anyway let's get cracking
03:04 Ponko92 ahhhh they have a TV Station that does sports
03:05 tggmc .w comcrap
03:05 BotSteve "This page has been deleted." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcrap
03:05 speedrunnerG55 ...eh?
03:05 Cprossu and get a video signal routed
03:05 eadthem bet ya comcast deletd it
03:05 Cprossu also
03:05 Cprossu what timecode?
03:05 Ponko92 THATS where i remember it from
03:05 Cprossu I want to know how long you left us for!
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03:07 Ponko92 biggest next to CBS and FOX
03:07 Ponko92 CBS FOX & ESPN do NFL Comcast did the stanley cup finals
03:07 Cprossu ignore entry it's how inputs come up on the saturn
03:07 Cprossu anything with lvl0 is a physical interface
03:07 Ponko92 i watched game seven and i SWARE it said Comcast
03:08 Cprossu lvl0 is the level I made
03:08 Ponko92 not as bad as Hughesnet
03:08 Cprossu in fact to explain entry
03:08 eadthem comcast was accualy ok when i had them   they had good speed in olathe kansas
03:08 eadthem my issue was they suddenly blocked port 25  inbound
03:08 eadthem without warning or notice      and  now im on att witch  isnt horrable  but defanly slower  and defanly less restrictive
03:08 Cprossu I have no clue I don't have the hardware.
03:09 Ponko92 yeah it was comcast who did the sports idk what ELSE they have rights on i know NBC CBS FOX & ESPN have football on
03:09 eadthem i have herd of frends in PA having major reliablty and speed issues on comcast   so much so that they never have gotten there promised speed
03:09 Cprossu I named them
03:09 Cprossu yeah
03:10 Ponko92 right CSN thats there sports broadcasting name and there Sister company is FSN
03:10 Cprossu pass the signal first
03:10 Druidic_Rifleman thermo electric can you explaine the benifits of hybrid rockey engions to jaaz95?
03:10 Cprossu then worry about symantics later
03:11 Cprossu yeah there's other instances
03:11 Cprossu I think
03:11 Ponko92 MDF? the wood?
03:11 Cprossu here's what I would reccomend
03:11 Cprossu go through every menu
03:11 Ponko92 yeah
03:11 Cprossu in backwards order
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03:11 Cprossu jupiter first
03:11 Ponko92 i have it supporting my bed frame
03:11 Cprossu that's how I got the config to work
03:11 Cprossu so whatever
03:11 Cprossu down to top
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03:12 Ponko92 bout 1/4 inch thick i think maybe 1/2 inch
03:12 Cprossu I looked a the man
03:12 Cprossu and was like F this
03:12 Cprossu I'll just screw with it
03:12 Cprossu until it works
03:12 BatSteve joined #thegeekgroup
03:12 BotSteve Welcome back, boss.
03:12 Cprossu no
03:12 Druidic_Rifleman aww Thermoelectic isn't on
03:12 Cprossu it doesn't
03:12 Cprossu just one thing
03:12 Cprossu KEEP things named
03:12 Cprossu like
03:12 Druidic_Rifleman bat steve you know much about highbrid rockets
03:12 Cprossu the switcher
03:12 Thermoelectric I am on, Druidic_Rifleman?
03:12 Cprossu AVP3500
03:13 Cprossu don't call it anything other than what's stamped on it
03:13 BatSteve Druidic_Rifleman: sorry, nothing
03:13 Cprossu or you'll fucking kill yourself
03:13 Cprossu I nearly did
03:13 Cprossu and you will get the two things confused
03:13 Cprossu unless you just leave it what's stamped on the box
03:13 Cprossu ACC is control surface
03:13 Cprossu MCC
03:13 Cprossu MCC
03:13 Cprossu MCC
03:13 Ponko92 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_SportsNet thats where i've seen comcast though
03:13 Cprossu and AVP is frame
03:13 Cprossu keep them that way
03:14 Ponko92 on ESPN America over here :)
03:14 Cprossu and you'll know what you are doing when configging it
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03:14 Ponko92 mmm i'm hungry now
03:14 Cprossu all I know is I didn't have to tweak anything once I was done
03:14 Ponko92 look who got here
03:14 Ponko92 lol
03:14 Cprossu everything worked somehow tggmc
03:14 Ponko92 brb toast time
03:14 Toastdude Hi Ponko92
03:14 Cprossu OH IMPORTANT
03:14 Cprossu I FORGOT
03:14 Cprossu you might have an issue
03:15 Cprossu with the outputs
03:15 Cprossu it didn't like it
03:15 Cprossu until I put MCC3500
03:15 Cprossu in for 'security'
03:15 Cprossu whatever that means
03:16 Cprossu ed to see this too
03:16 Cprossu tggmc
03:16 Cprossu under control sets in jupiter not saturn
03:17 Cprossu lace the mnemonics are
03:17 Ponko92 Sega Saturn such a sucky VGC
03:17 Cprossu ok
03:17 Cprossu *place
03:17 Cprossu where the mneumotics are
03:17 Ponko92 steve when you heading off tonight?
03:18 Ponko92 i was gonna say lol
03:18 Ponko92 if i went to sleep NOW and woke at 10 to see you were STILL on
03:18 speedrunnerG55 Hi Toastdude BatSteve and Ponko92
03:18 Cprossu I have no clue
03:18 tonsofpcs hi
03:18 Toastdude Hi speedrunner
03:18 * tonsofpcs is back
03:18 tonsofpcs Cprossu: sitrep on the switcher?
03:18 Ponko92 hi speedrunnerG55 the meet and greet of IRC
03:19 BatSteve yes speed, I'm still here
03:19 BatSteve (:
03:19 Cprossu looks like I didn't config that one
03:19 tonsofpcs bah, memory failing, brb, reboot (you can tell me things, i'll hit pgup when i get back)
03:19 Toastdude Hi tonsofpcs
03:19 Cprossu but just see if you can feed a video in
03:19 Cprossu and switch
03:19 Toastdude HI BatSteve!!
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03:19 BatSteve hey toast
03:19 Ponko92 BatSteve i'm not going OK the have a No Huddle Offense not my style
03:19 Toastdude Hi REDhome!
03:19 Obtuse_ Hi REDHome
03:19 speedrunnerG55 RED!!
03:19 Ponko92 BLUE
03:19 wannabe1987 joined #thegeekgroup
03:20 speedrunnerG55 hi RED! :)
03:20 REDhome <3
03:20 BotSteve REDhome: I have the following messages for you:
03:20 BotSteve At 18 Jun 08:35Z, Cprossu asked me to tell REDhome We're glad you're back home <3
03:20 BatSteve Ponko92: okeydoke
03:20 REDhome ^_^
03:20 Ponko92 there ranked #6 in AP Poll too
03:20 Ponko92 GREEN
03:20 REDhome I'm glad to be back home too.
03:20 Ponko92 ....
03:20 Ponko92 ARMY
03:20 speedrunnerG55 Yay reds home
03:20 Cprossu we love you red!
03:20 Ponko92 thought you were on a plane to see me :P
03:20 Cprossu red: I got the saturn to boot!
03:21 wannabe1987 ...
03:21 speedrunnerG55 Lol sorry i didnt see you there
03:21 speedrunnerG55 Hi wannabe.
03:21 Toastdude Hi wannabe!
03:21 Cprossu tggmc: stream is dropping frames again
03:21 wannabe1987 i like how when i join, everyones discussing red...:(
03:21 wannabe1987 and how SHE joined
03:22 speedrunnerG55 Burried in all the red fanboyism. I didnt see wannabe come in here
03:22 wannabe1987 but NOONE (except you two) say hi to me
03:22 Ponko92 Cprossu that sounds like something  i'd say after trying to get that damn thing to work
03:22 Cprossu tggmc : stream is dropping frames again =(
03:22 REDhome ^_^
03:22 BatSteve wannabe1987: I was saying hi to you in my brain.
03:22 REDhome Yay for the Saturn, Cprossu
03:22 wannabe1987 i didn't get it...sorry
03:22 Cprossu yeah I know
03:22 BatSteve That's ok, I probably wasn't braining it loud enough.
03:22 Cprossu it even took my labels and put them on the control board!
03:23 REDhome I appreciate my welcome home, boys. It made me feel all happy inside. :)
03:23 Ponko92 thats why i have a PS1 instead of that obsolete piece of shit
03:23 speedrunnerG55 I miss the days when red and wannabe were friends
03:24 Ponko92 oh hai wannabe i was in my own world of wonderment :P
03:24 astro73|derrial hey, it's a red!
03:24 Toastdude What's new, Ponko?
03:24 wannabe1987 hey astro73|derrial
03:24 Toastdude ;)
03:24 Ponko92 not much i'm looking at which college to go to and i've got training in a few hours
03:25 Ponko92 RED ARMY
03:25 Ponko92 wannab1987 i say hai to you
03:25 astro73|derrial hi wannabe1987
03:25 * exor674 hugs REDhome!
03:25 * exor674 hugs wannabe1987 and anyoen else who wants
03:25 * Ponko92 goes in the huddle
03:25 * Toastdude hugs wannabe1987
03:26 * Thermoelectric wants a nap
03:26 BatSteve take a nap, thermo!
03:26 * speedrunnerG55 hugs wannabe lol
03:26 * Ponko92 has a football game to play in a few hours
03:26 * Toastdude gives Thermoelectric a nap
03:26 Thermoelectric BatSteve: I want to, but I got a math assignment to finish, and I start work in 2 hours. -.-
03:26 tonsofpcs Ponko92: college for what?
03:27 Ponko92 playing Football :)
03:27 BatSteve what's the assignment?
03:27 wannabe1987 football or soccer?
03:27 BatSteve Little known fact: Ponko92 is a ferocious beast when it comes to football.
03:27 * speedrunnerG55 sits down
03:27 Ponko92 yep :P
03:27 * wannabe1987 feels weird...idk whats going on
03:27 BatSteve None can stand against him when he has a football in his hands.
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03:27 Ponko92 yeah thats actually true
03:27 wannabe1987 not here...but irl
03:28 Thermoelectric BatSteve: It's on data, and I'm up to junk about making a box and whisker plot.
03:28 Ponko92 i play QB btw BatSteve
03:28 Ponko92 i'm like Joe Montana reborn
03:28 tonsofpcs ugh.... vRAM issues on this pc, i should really swap ram between the netbooks
03:28 tonsofpcs brb
03:29 tggmc I think the issue may be comcast at this point
03:29 Thermoelectric Was not expecting an ad.
03:29 Thermoelectric I hate Windows ads.
03:29 Ponko92 oh god i might have to play on there Sports Network tggmc
03:29 BatSteve Thermoelectric: blech.  Sorry.  Stinks to be you.
03:30 Thermoelectric Skin care products ad that time. Bleh!
03:30 Ponko92 BatSteve where you being sarcastic about me and the football thing?
03:30 BatSteve Statistics are cool, when you actually get to use them.  "Introduction to Statistics" is not a fun class however.
03:30 BatSteve Ponko92: no, I was being hyperbolic.
03:30 Ponko92 :P thought so
03:30 BatSteve Talking you up, acting as your wingman
03:30 BatSteve Helping out.
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03:31 Ponko92 :P i know i know :P
03:31 Cprossu rofl nice
03:31 Thermoelectric BatSteve: Yep, but we have break after next week (I finish on Wednesday, to catch a flight Thursday), so yeah, not *too* bad.
03:31 Ponko92 i have to PROVE that at 10ish
03:31 Cprossu tggmc at least that part works!
03:32 REDhome BatSteve - The Wingman. DUN DUN DUUUNNN.
03:32 Ponko92 freaking nervous because i've got practice at 10-12 then 12-2 Game then 3-6 Pratice
03:32 tggmc RED is HOME
03:32 Ponko92 RED is doing what i like scoring
03:32 tggmc hi redhome
03:33 Ponko92 TOUCHDOWNS
03:33 BatSteve REDhome: for a while there I was wingman for my roommate
03:33 REDhome That sounds dangerous.
03:33 REDhome tggmc: Steve?
03:33 BatSteve And by that I mean we both had pickup trucks, and we'd drive in formation with me on his right side
03:33 REDhome and Hi :)
03:33 tonsofpcs ah, much better :D
03:33 tonsofpcs Cprossu: wait, what works?
03:33 REDhome lol, that sounds epic BatSteve
03:33 Cprossu tggmc I need to restart the saturn I just realized a mistake I made
03:33 BatSteve We actually got pretty good at it
03:33 Ponko92 yeah BatSteve is my RB
03:33 REDhome your rootbeer?
03:34 REDhome ...nevermind.
03:34 Ponko92 Running Back
03:34 wannabe1987 Ponko92 you never answered me...
03:34 Ponko92 lol
03:34 * tonsofpcs is not listening to the stream if steve is telling me things
03:34 Ponko92 on?
03:34 wannabe1987 football or soccer
03:34 Ponko92 FOOTBAWL
03:34 BatSteve rootbeer would be awesome right now though
03:34 Ponko92 i agree
03:34 BatSteve FOOBALL ::grunt grunt::
03:34 wannabe1987 with an oblong shaped ball?
03:34 Cprossu tggmc I need to restart the saturn I just realized a mistake I made
03:34 BatSteve yes.
03:34 Ponko92 hey i'm an intelligent QB
03:34 wannabe1987 Cprossu you said that
03:35 obtusemobile futball
03:35 exor674 what is with everything named after planets?
03:35 exor674 jupiter, saturn?
03:35 wannabe1987 i never said you weren't *sigh*
03:35 exor674 where's neptune?
03:35 wannabe1987 PLUTO
03:35 exor674 uranus!
03:35 Ponko92 no i didn't say YOU called me it lol
03:35 obtusemobile pluto is not a planet
03:35 BatSteve exor674: watch your language!
03:35 BatSteve (:
03:35 exor674 :P
03:35 Ponko92 Ur an US
03:35 wannabe1987 Obtuse_ ITS A PLANET TO ME
03:35 Ponko92 its said ran like Iran
03:36 obtusemobile lol.
03:36 Ponko92 U ran US like bus
03:36 Ponko92 lol
03:36 speedrunnerG55 Yep my pc crashed
03:36 speedrunnerG55 Oppening a text document wile browsing giles
03:37 speedrunnerG55 Files
03:37 Ponko92 Uranus the Ice planet with rings going up and over
03:37 Ponko92 its not a belt its a toga?
03:37 REDhome I prefer neptune.
03:37 tonsofpcs oo, i see steve poking at the surface
03:37 * speedrunnerG55 shakes hi fist at pc
03:37 Ponko92 i prefer EARTH its where things live
03:37 speedrunnerG55 Why must you use so manny resources
03:37 BatSteve REDhome: as soon as you said 'neptune' I translated it into 'poseidon'
03:37 tonsofpcs hi Toastdude
03:38 REDhome <3
03:38 BatSteve and as soon as I got 'poseidon' I translated *that* into "Broseidon, God of the Brocean."
03:38 REDhome lol
03:38 Ponko92 the adventure BatSteve
03:38 REDhome EPICCC>
03:38 Cprossu thought on this?
03:38 Toastdude Nice BatSteve
03:38 * exor674 throws more <3 into the pile
03:38 Cprossu tggmc
03:38 Ponko92 what was that
03:38 * wannabe1987 is ticked off at an outside source
03:38 tonsofpcs you onlyhave one cahnnel
03:38 Ponko92 someone open a Champagne button
03:38 BatSteve http://sharkrobot.com/images/large/shirt_vgcats_broseidon_LRG.jpg
03:39 Cprossu ahh ok
03:39 * exor674 hugs wannabe1987 again!
03:39 astro73|derrial i love how the loudest sound is the popping of the marker
03:39 tonsofpcs likely. possibly also audio-return select
03:39 exor674 and goes bed for real
03:39 Ponko92 i haven't won the Super Bowl (yet)
03:39 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: jaaz95 on Project hick ship... the ontario chapters redneck rocketry program.
03:39 Ponko92 oi stop it
03:39 Ponko92 lol
03:39 wannabe1987 oi?  bloody brit
03:39 Ponko92 ahhhhh get out of it :P
03:40 Cprossu you may need to do something here
03:40 wannabe1987 nooooooooooo
03:40 BatSteve exor674: you're going to bed?  goodnight if so
03:40 wannabe1987 night dre
03:40 exor674 BatSteve: theoretically
03:40 tonsofpcs steve - is it telling you that?
03:40 * Ponko92 wags finger at wannabe1987 and Steve
03:40 tonsofpcs I thought hte outputs were fixed on that frame
03:40 wannabe1987 what????
03:40 BatSteve Ponko92: ?
03:40 exor674 that generally leads to "uh, why is it 4am" but I am in bed, and putting laptop down and closing my eyes, but...
03:40 tonsofpcs is there anything on your pgm or air outputs?
03:40 tonsofpcs (can you look at them on the scopes?)
03:40 * speedrunnerG55 reboots
03:40 Ponko92 thats a british way of telling someone off BatSteve
03:41 BatSteve exor674: there is a difference between 'bed' and 'sleep', indeed
03:41 BatSteve Ponko92: what did I say though?!
03:41 Ponko92 nooo not you
03:41 BatSteve oh
03:41 tonsofpcs steve - can you look at that output on the scopes?
03:41 Ponko92 SteveEeeeeeeeeee Terminator Steve
03:41 tonsofpcs it's possible that it's not white but overdriven
03:41 tonsofpcs there is gain and eq on each output
03:41 wannabe1987 ya'll need to differentiate your "steve"s
03:41 tonsofpcs the magni's not up there?
03:42 Ponko92 bleeding 'eck wannabe1987
03:42 wannabe1987 wtf
03:42 Ponko92 idk
03:42 * REDhome hugs exor674 <3
03:42 tonsofpcs looked like a I/Q diaagram of some kind
03:43 * Ponko92 speaking in Arnold Schwarzenegger accent
03:43 Cprossu catagory?
03:43 BatSteve I'm so confused.  Murder them all, BotSteve.
03:43 BotSteve Nope!
03:43 BotSteve Nope!
03:43 Ponko92 Steve he is the Terminator
03:43 Ponko92 GET TO CHOPPA botsteve has gone homicidal
03:43 exor674 tabs! TAAAAABS!
03:43 tonsofpcs well, an I/Q diagram can show you colors in/out of spec.  They're usually triangular left-to-right, but the MAGNI guys tend to have their own methods....
03:43 Ponko92 OI
03:43 Ponko92 -_-
03:43 BatSteve The choppa!!
03:43 BatSteve Get to it!
03:43 Ponko92 NOW
03:44 tonsofpcs steve - got a volt meter with a nedle (not DMM) ?
03:44 BatSteve NAOUGHW
03:44 tonsofpcs got a dmm?
03:44 Ponko92 Its NOT A TUMAH
03:45 REDhome BotSteve: Don't kill me, please.
03:45 tonsofpcs uh ohes
03:45 Ponko92 Crush your enemies, see them driven before and hear the lementation of there women
03:45 tonsofpcs fell back beehind the console maybe? (we have that happen often in places where the splash touches the console level and isn't full of gear
03:45 Ponko92 fuck off VANISH Oxy Action AD
03:46 Ponko92 FECK OFF PISSING AD
03:46 tonsofpcs anyway, if you figure out a way, measuring voltage of the outputs might be a good idea
03:46 tonsofpcs meanwhile, does the preview output change the same way pgm does?
03:46 Cprossu trying
03:46 * Ponko92 takes the snap drops 5 steps looks for an open receiver.....
03:47 BatSteve REDhome: I'm currently implementing Russian Roulette for the bot.
03:47 LeadHead 8.
03:47 BatSteve this is either going to be awesome or the end of us all
03:47 * Ponko92 pump fakes
03:47 tonsofpcs BatSteve: can you make the bot able to page people @ TGG? :)
03:47 Ponko92 WHO'S OPEN?????
03:47 BatSteve tonsofpcs: would be awesome, not without cooperation from the lab though
03:47 REDhome BatSteve: you need to have a zomb function too, where botsteve will just randomly start nerf wars.
03:47 * BatSteve waves arms in the air PICK ME PICK ME
03:47 * tonsofpcs is but wouldn't be useful to throw a ball to, would probably drop it
03:48 BatSteve ^_^
03:48 astro73|derrial BatSteve: you should really be looking into supybot, since they already have that
03:48 BatSteve astro73|derrial: really?
03:48 BatSteve .g supybot
03:48 BotSteve BatSteve: http://supybot.com/
03:48 tonsofpcs BatSteve: LED displays in each area would be awesome and you could interrupt them with "IRC wants [person]"
03:48 astro73|derrial yeah
03:48 * Ponko92 sees pocket collapsing and BatSteve Shakes off DB and throws a deep pass on his post route
03:48 tonsofpcs does preview glitch right after the 'fade'?
03:49 tonsofpcs alsso, what video do you have on the inputs right now?
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03:49 * Ponko92 is hit hard after getting it away
03:49 * speedrunnerG55_ walks into channel
03:50 BatSteve BotSteve: will I catch it?
03:50 BotSteve I don't think so
03:50 BatSteve worst bot ever.
03:50 Ponko92 GAAHHHHH
03:50 Thermoelectric BotSteve: Will you rule the world?
03:50 BotSteve I don't think so
03:50 * tonsofpcs would loop blackburst through to one input, bars (Timed to the same black) to another, a TBC with a camera (or a genlocked camera) to another...
03:50 Ponko92 is now known as EPSN_Commentator
03:50 * BatSteve misses the catch by inches, due entirely to the negativity from the stands.  The crowd erupts in boos
03:50 Cprossu ahhh it says external switcher output, tggmc
03:51 Thermoelectric BotSteve: Will your kind rule the world?
03:51 BotSteve Ask again later!
03:51 Thermoelectric -.-
03:51 tonsofpcs Cprossu: yea, you shouldn't have to confiure the builtin one, i wouldn't think, it's the "channel"
03:51 EPSN_Commentator Ahh and hes dropped the catch and that'll bring up second down
03:51 tonsofpcs although you might need to tie the channel to the frame
03:51 tonsofpcs but since fade is affecting it, i think that's set right
03:51 EPSN_Commentator is now known as Ponko92
03:51 astro73|derrial BotSteve: the thing is that supybot is a lot more structured than you're used to
03:51 Cprossu cool
03:51 Cprossu tggmc: check this out
03:52 Cprossu before I reboot it
03:52 tonsofpcs i think you're looking at video-domain problems
03:52 Cprossu tggmc ding
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03:52 tggmc yes
03:52 tggmc i see
03:52 * Ponko92 gets up dusts off
03:53 speedrunnerG55_ Ponko92: !
03:53 speedrunnerG55_ Haelp
03:53 * Ponko92 fires G18C directly at the base of the tail
03:53 tonsofpcs this would all probably be easier if you had full bnc connectors, not just the bayonets....
03:53 tggmc com2
03:53 * Ponko92 then slices with katana
03:53 BatSteve astro73|derrial: how so?
03:54 speedrunnerG55_ is now known as speedrunnerG55
03:54 BatSteve I'm strictly a hobbyist programmer, drop some learnin on me.
03:54 speedrunnerG55 :) ty Ponko92
03:54 REDhome Do want: http://geekxgirls.com/images/robin/robin01.jpg
03:54 Ponko92 welcome
03:55 Cprossu tggmc we need a real reboot again
03:55 astro73|derrial BatSteve: it's got a lot more framework and code to it. But it provides mechanisms for database abstraction, configuration, and a few other things.
03:55 tggmc reboot
03:55 BatSteve the necklace / ribbon...thing... sort of looks like a choking hazard.
03:55 Cprossu as in hard reboot
03:55 tggmc ok, rebooting here
03:55 BatSteve (yes that was the first thing I noticed and no there is no hope for me)
03:55 astro73|derrial REDhome: can't argue
03:56 speedrunnerG55 >.<
03:56 Cprossu did you do the panel too?
03:56 Cprossu @ tggmc
03:56 Ponko92 ok Red Right Slot 50 'X' Spot on Set Ready
03:56 Ponko92 Break
03:56 speedrunnerG55 Can argue
03:56 tggmc i have a no sync ligh, ya
03:56 tonsofpcs btw - what I was doing most of the day - clean bar :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11834900/IMG-20110618-00144.jpg
03:57 BatSteve astro73|derrial: Gotcha.  I'll look into it - the more I can learn, the better.
03:57 Ponko92 RED 82
03:57 Ponko92 RED 82
03:57 Ponko92 24
03:57 speedrunnerG55 >.<
03:57 Ponko92 Set
03:57 tonsofpcs it should show no sync for a bit then clear (to green) while loading iirc
03:57 speedrunnerG55 24.
03:57 speedrunnerG55 24
03:57 speedrunnerG55 JACK BOWER
03:57 tonsofpcs brb, gotta give a ride to someone
03:57 astro73|derrial BatSteve: I'm running a version of it in bot1sst, so I can help if you'd like
03:57 * Ponko92 takes drops 7 steps looks for a receiver to break free
03:58 astro73|derrial *bot1st
03:58 speedrunnerG55 Im open
03:58 Cprossu now we wait
03:58 * wannabe1987 runs away. fucking sports
03:58 Cprossu which part are you rebooting first?
03:58 astro73|derrial silly men playing with their balls?
03:58 * Ponko92 sees speedrunnerG55 throws it deep at he starts his slant
03:59 Cprossu you should turn off frame, turn on control surface turn on frame
03:59 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial yes
03:59 tggmc frame
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03:59 * speedrunnerG55 catches ball and proceeds to run for the goal
03:59 Ponko92 TOUCHDOWN
03:59 * speedrunnerG55 does a dance
03:59 Cprossu wrong order steve
04:00 tonsofpcs Cprossu: surface then frame?? really? wow... this switcher gets 'better' w/ each thing
04:00 speedrunnerG55 :3~
04:00 Cprossu The controller has to be on before the frame.
04:00 * BatSteve waves hands in the air and high-fives speedrunnerG55
04:00 tggmc ok
04:00 Ponko92 well i have to Pyshc up some how
04:00 Cprossu the frame being the thing underneath the controller being the surface
04:00 Ponko92 without playing MADDEN NFL 11 again
04:01 * speedrunnerG55 high fives
04:01 Cprossu still on the phone and muted?
04:01 tggmc ok frame second
04:01 tggmc yes
04:01 Cprossu yes frame second.
04:01 * Ponko92 accepts high five
04:01 Cprossu I think we're up
04:01 tggmc ok
04:02 Cprossu did the labels come back, tggmc?
04:02 Cprossu and is it MDH now?
04:02 Ponko92 O_O PISS OFF VANISH AD
04:02 tggmc yes
04:02 tggmc back w/MDH
04:02 * speedrunnerG55 lols
04:02 Cprossu cool
04:02 BatSteve astro73|derrial: I just cloned supy from the sourceforge repo, yeah, you're right about it being different than what I'm used to.
04:03 Ponko92 hmm why no sound? o_O
04:03 Cprossu yay
04:03 Ponko92 yeah i know but :P yeah
04:03 tonsofpcs bbiab
04:03 Cprossu so I take it you have to reset the time o_o
04:03 Ponko92 i said it AFTER you got of it
04:03 astro73|derrial BatSteve: my suggestion? Set it up and start playing around. You probably won't dig into the framework code much.
04:04 BatSteve ::nod:: that's what I did with BotSteve as well
04:04 Ponko92 well its gonna play the SAME ad again
04:04 * Ponko92 gets back into the Huddle
04:05 Ponko92 right....
04:05 Cprossu I know what happened
04:05 Cprossu actually I know what happened, tggmc
04:05 tonsofpcs btw, if you ever need me, skype tonsofpcs forwards to my cell
04:05 Cprossu we need to reboot the computer
04:05 Cprossu tggmc
04:05 Cprossu something just happened
04:06 Cprossu tggmc: I think I know what happened
04:07 Cprossu tggmc I was just thinking we need to do a reboot of the computer for the normal services to start
04:07 Cprossu we were in 'diag' mode
04:07 Cprossu yeah I know o_o
04:07 Ponko92 good night Steve :)
04:07 Cprossu do not start jupiter network suite, ok?
04:07 Cprossu @ tggmc
04:07 speedrunnerG55 I wonder....
04:08 speedrunnerG55 Steves leaving which one?
04:08 BatSteve neither, I think ponko is though
04:08 Cprossu we're going to see what happens to the board
04:08 speedrunnerG55 Oh
04:08 BatSteve or at the very least, I'm not leaving yet
04:08 speedrunnerG55 Night Ponko92 ?!!!
04:08 Ponko92 i'm not lol
04:08 speedrunnerG55 ....
04:08 speedrunnerG55 Who is
04:08 Cprossu good
04:08 Ponko92 i'm not going to bed i'm in the huddle
04:08 speedrunnerG55 Who ever is leaving good night
04:08 Ponko92 The Terminator
04:08 Cprossu all the jupiter parts are working then that's good
04:08 astro73|derrial i think egersteve is heading home from lab
04:09 Ponko92 Steve the Terminator is i think
04:10 Ponko92 ok (U) Blue Right East 200 Jet 'Z' Omaha on Two Ready-Break
04:11 Ponko92 later steve
04:11 Ponko92 (on stream)
04:11 Cprossu try one more video route
04:11 Cprossu before leaving
04:11 REDhome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJmYKN_1QE
04:11 Cprossu or at least show me a close up of the labels @ tggmc
04:11 REDhome You want to watch that.
04:11 Cprossu I didn't get to see them really well
04:12 Cprossu pretty
04:12 Cprossu and I have no clue how it works lol
04:12 Cprossu and anything that says "TGG" on screen?
04:13 Cprossu preview wise?
04:13 Cprossu I remember putting a few labels in for on screen preview
04:13 * Ponko92 looks at defense calls audibles then sets under centre looks at play clock.
04:13 Cprossu it would display on a output monitor
04:14 Cprossu well later
04:14 Ponko92 BLUE 54, BLUE 54, 47, Set, Hut, HUT
04:14 * Ponko92 takes snap drops back 3 steps looks for a quick and BatSteve on his Drive route
04:15 * Ponko92 throws short pass at BatSteve
04:15 BatSteve Perfect pass!
04:15 * BatSteve pulls it out of the air and makes for the sideline
04:16 Thermoelectric BotSteve: Did BatSteve really catch it?
04:16 Ponko92 ooo.....
04:16 BatSteve Thermoelectric: "should" and "will" only.
04:16 BatSteve Sorry
04:16 Thermoelectric Damn
04:16 Ponko92 lol
04:16 Ponko92 haha yay
04:16 * speedrunnerG55 tCkles BatSteve
04:16 Ponko92 how far did you run Steve?
04:17 tggmc botsteve: will batsteve catch the pass?
04:17 BotSteve Yep!
04:17 speedrunnerG55 Tackles
04:17 * BatSteve gets forced out by speedrunnerG55 but not before first down
04:17 Cprossu tggmc I just got a local copy of our new config
04:17 Cprossu I'll see if I can make it make outputs
04:17 speedrunnerG55 Drat
04:17 Cprossu it'll be easier to mess with it locally
04:17 Ponko92 2nd and Inches
04:17 Cprossu I'm just glad I got the configurator to run locally.
04:18 * REDhome runs from the IRC football game and goes over to the IRC baseball diamond.
04:18 tonsofpcs back
04:18 Ponko92 ok Green Left 99 Hand Off Solid on first sound ready-break
04:19 tonsofpcs i heaar scanner.  did steve leave?
04:19 * speedrunnerG55 considres playing baseball. Since i has no expirience with foootball but i actually do with baceball
04:19 Ponko92 yeah
04:19 tonsofpcs g'nite tggmc steve
04:19 speedrunnerG55 In a team that is
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04:19 * astro73|derrial looks around at the projectiles, and finds some nice cover
04:20 * Ponko92 checks defence before taking center calls nessecary audibles
04:20 Ponko92 Pro
04:20 BatSteve astro73|derrial: remember, faced with enough projectiles, all cover is temporary
04:20 * Ponko92 takes snap hands off to Cprossu
04:20 speedrunnerG55 Ye im definitly moving to baceball
04:20 astro73|derrial ok. Find me a bunker. That should defeat sports
04:20 REDhome lol
04:21 * speedrunnerG55 puts on catchers equipment
04:21 Ponko92 sorry i'm Pyshcing myself up
04:21 * Ponko92 decides to play a little Baseball
04:21 tonsofpcs so yea, I will answer skype:tonsofpcs 24/7.  I may be out of it and/or grumpy and/or irate between 9pm and 10am eastern time, however.
04:22 * BatSteve is pants at baseball and decides to get nachos rather than play
04:22 BatSteve Is that the correct use of the term 'pants', Ponko92?
04:22 Ponko92 yes it is lol
04:22 REDhome pants.
04:22 Ponko92 i have a practice session and then a game then MORE practice and if i have a good day i'll be getting MORE offers for scholarships
04:22 BatSteve excellent!  Achievement unlocked: British Slang
04:23 Ponko92 lol
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04:23 BatSteve howdy 404
04:23 Ponko92 Trophy Received
04:23 speedrunnerG55 Hi minifig404
04:23 minifig404 Hey, all.
04:23 REDhome Hai.
04:23 Ponko92 hmm baseball SpeedrunnerG55
04:24 Ponko92 and hai minifig404
04:24 speedrunnerG55 ?
04:24 Ponko92 i'm Pitching
04:24 Ponko92 if that alright with you :P
04:25 speedrunnerG55 Brb
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04:26 * BatSteve sits in the stands and heckles the batter
04:26 kristopher hola
04:26 Thermoelectric Math assignment: "Which group, taken as a whole, is taller? Use your answers to Questions 1 and 2 to justify your conclusion." I don't see why they reference Q1, as that is only median and interquartile range. That doesn't tell you who is taller?
04:26 REDhome You're not allowed to pitch Ponko92  you're a football player. Let us REAL players do the work.
04:27 BatSteve howdy kristopher
04:27 Ponko92 O_O i can pitch a 4-Seam 2-Seam AND a wicked curve
04:27 Speed_Laptop joined #thegeekgroup
04:27 Speed_Laptop hi
04:27 speedrunnerG55 left #thegeekgroup
04:27 kristopher theres somethin wrong wif teh feed
04:27 kristopher a green bar keeps appearing
04:27 BatSteve Thermoelectric: are you trying to find standard deviation at all?
04:27 Ponko92 batsteve if your pants you could play for the Pirates they suck worse
04:28 kristopher and someone put a weapon to the victims head
04:28 Ponko92 wait what?
04:28 kristopher the police scanner
04:28 Ponko92 ah shit
04:28 tonsofpcs kristopher: near top or bottom
04:29 kristopher bottom sometimes
04:29 kristopher are they still firing gemini?
04:29 tonsofpcs kristopher: yea, that's the capture card
04:29 Cprossu man I've got a headache
04:29 Thermoelectric BatSteve: Not that I am aware of.
04:29 BatSteve hm
04:29 Cprossu tonsofpcs: all we have to do is get the internal outputs routed now
04:29 tonsofpcs also, the termination issues are the switcher
04:29 BatSteve maybe it's just asking for the mean then?
04:29 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I don't think you need to do that, just tie the channel to the frame and it should...
04:29 Cprossu everything else is in my config
04:29 kristopher becase theres some static that sounds alot like high voltage
04:29 Cprossu no it doesn't do anything
04:30 Cprossu the software doesn't think there are outputs until you define them
04:30 Cprossu it's really fucking retarded
04:30 tonsofpcs Cprossu: the fact that the output changes when he hits fade leads me to believe that it sees that output.
04:30 kristopher yep
04:30 Thermoelectric BatSteve: Maybe, though I know which group is taller, I am just unsure as to how to use median or interquartile range to help define that.
04:30 Cprossu hmmm
04:30 tonsofpcs it'd be good to see that output (on a WFM)
04:30 Ponko92 hey if i can make a football spiral i'm sure i can curve a baseball :p
04:30 kristopher wait no its a ambulance radia
04:30 kristopher 65 year old female, chest pains
04:31 tonsofpcs if he can tomorrow, maybe plug the output into the 'main' switcher and pop it into the magni to look real quick?
04:31 Ponko92 4 Black Teens eh
04:31 Cprossu I can actually control the board
04:31 Cprossu with the software though!
04:31 Ponko92 who'd of thought
04:31 kristopher 4 black male teengagers, loud music
04:31 Ponko92 hmm who'd of thought
04:31 Cprossu but I can't see the output and the specific plugin says it wont work without a defined output
04:31 kristopher large fight 1542
04:31 tonsofpcs Cprossu: really? can you send a screenshot of your control stuff that lets you do that?
04:31 kristopher no weapons
04:31 Cprossu ^ @ tonsofpcs's
04:31 tonsofpcs interesting
04:31 Ponko92 oi gods
04:32 * REDhome is watching the Captain's Blog and is sad about how much she has missed while she was gone.
04:32 kristopher lol
04:32 Ponko92 kristopher stop listening to it lol
04:32 kristopher po
04:32 tonsofpcs you do realize that once this works, you'll need to build a 'cycle inputs' script, right?
04:32 BatSteve Thermoelectric: not sure.  Possibly to eliminate outliers in the data which might screw up the mean?
04:32 kristopher what
04:32 kristopher soorry
04:32 tonsofpcs :)
04:33 Ponko92 lol you can listen it to it but don't tell us whats going on lol
04:33 kristopher lowered saab 65 miles an hour, flipped 6 times
04:33 kristopher last one
04:33 Thermoelectric BatSteve: Possibly...
04:33 Ponko92 WHAT O_O
04:33 Ponko92 DAMN
04:33 Ponko92 ok ok enough lol
04:33 kristopher ok
04:33 kristopher but that is pretty funny
04:33 tonsofpcs my scanner never made that much noise around here.... makes me want to be a news photog again
04:33 Ponko92 well in one way yes in another no
04:34 Cprossu http://oi55.tinypic.com/2u9redc.jpg
04:34 Cprossu ^ tonsofpcs
04:34 tonsofpcs heh
04:34 kristopher ghats sad u have xp
04:34 Cprossu that's not my end
04:34 Cprossu =P
04:35 Cprossu that's the remote end =P
04:35 Cprossu and it's at least working
04:35 tonsofpcs Cprossu: why hasn't anyone disabled the 'fun' gui to make it faster yet? :-p
04:35 Cprossu I was actually going to do it
04:35 Cprossu while steve was away
04:35 tonsofpcs good!
04:36 Speed_Laptop im about to cange my FB pic to something epic i found
04:36 Speed_Laptop on my old hdd :D
04:36 Thermoelectric You have two HVL1 labels...
04:36 LeadHead Cprossu, I've been doing some research
04:36 LeadHead and apparently it's quite common for the Cold Start Injector plug to back out a bit on the land cruisers
04:36 * Speed_Laptop hardly ever changes his fp pic
04:37 LeadHead and the cold start injector gets caked in carbon because the EGR discharge into the manifold is right next to it
04:37 LeadHead might look into it.
04:37 Ponko92 hmmm
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04:37 Ponko92 should i play madden to get more pysched?
04:38 * Druidic_Rifleman tackle hugs red
04:38 BatSteve BotSteve: should Ponko92 play madden?
04:38 BotSteve Not a chance
04:38 wannabe1987 o.O
04:38 Druidic_Rifleman how are you REDhome
04:38 BatSteve you heard it here folks
04:38 Ponko92 :(
04:38 Druidic_Rifleman i got to play with my dads 1000 dollar camera
04:38 astro73|derrial Druidic_Rifleman: wrong game. they're playing baseball
04:38 wannabe1987 BotSteve should everyone here fuck off?
04:38 BotSteve Not a chance
04:38 wannabe1987 damn
04:38 Thermoelectric BotSteve: Should I do this math assignment?
04:38 BotSteve Absolutely
04:38 wannabe1987 lol
04:38 Thermoelectric -.-
04:39 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: what cam?
04:39 BatSteve Wow.  Well...beats murdering us all.  So there's that.
04:39 Druidic_Rifleman cannon eos or something
04:39 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: DruidicRifleman on Project hick ship... the ontario chapters redneck rocketry program.
04:39 Ponko92 hahahaha
04:39 wannabe1987 BotSteve should everyone here die?
04:39 BotSteve Nope
04:39 Speed_Laptop BotSteve,  you are awesome
04:39 Druidic_Rifleman it's nice
04:39 tonsofpcs EOS is a model line.  Much like "Lincoln" or "Mercury"
04:39 Druidic_Rifleman i can't wait to see what can be done with it
04:39 Ponko92 BotSteve: will i have a great day at practice today?
04:39 BotSteve Nope
04:39 Thermoelectric BotSteve: Will I pass this assignment?
04:39 BotSteve Reply hazy, try again later
04:39 Ponko92 BotSteve: will i have a great day at practice today?
04:39 BotSteve Definitely
04:39 Thermoelectric Pfft.
04:39 wannabe1987 lol
04:40 wannabe1987 BotSteve should everyone here fuck off?
04:40 Toastdude Lol
04:40 BotSteve Oh yeah!
04:40 Ponko92 THATS what i thought you said
04:40 wannabe1987 ...
04:40 Ponko92 hahahahahaha
04:40 Ponko92 bye then
04:40 Speed_Laptop BotSteve, should i stay?
04:40 BotSteve I don't think so
04:40 * tonsofpcs has a Canon EOS Digital Rebel (EF-S) T2i (550D/KissX4)
04:40 Speed_Laptop :(
04:40 wannabe1987 you hear  that?  you and your redlove go fuck off
04:40 Druidic_Rifleman tonsofpcs the most i'd use it for is taking picks of the hot chick tan... i mean wild life... yes wild life rabits birds dear moose bears
04:40 Druidic_Rifleman deer*
04:41 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: ah, you need one of those nice telephoto lenses for that
04:41 Ponko92 BotSteve, will i get more scholarship offers today?
04:41 BotSteve I don't think so
04:41 Druidic_Rifleman or my ghillie suit
04:41 Ponko92 i'll ask again
04:41 Ponko92 BotSteve, will i get more scholarship offers today?
04:41 BotSteve Yep!
04:41 wannabe1987 lol
04:41 Ponko92 thank you
04:41 * Speed_Laptop slowly walks over to FB
04:41 REDhome Your welcome.
04:41 * Druidic_Rifleman is a ninja WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
04:41 Druidic_Rifleman hey Red
04:42 wannabe1987 Speed_Laptop y
04:42 Ponko92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8dW9Hyno0&amp;feature=s2l anyone interested watch this lol
04:42 Ponko92 Rowan Atkinson Live
04:42 BatSteve The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
04:42 injektion The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
04:42 wannabe1987 lol
04:42 BatSteve ):
04:42 Speed_Laptop u told me too
04:43 Toastdude Omg, you like Rowan Atkinson, Ponko92??
04:43 Speed_Laptop :(
04:43 tonsofpcs hmm, can i use BotSteve as a reminder system by telling him to tell me something?
04:43 Ponko92 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah whats wrong with that lol
04:43 tonsofpcs BotSteve: tell tonsofpcs that this test worked.
04:43 BotSteve You can tell yourself that.
04:43 tonsofpcs darn
04:43 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs use this instead
04:43 Toastdude Ponko92: No, I think its awesome that you do
04:44 wannabe1987 .in 4 seconds remind me to say hi
04:44 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind in 4 secs
04:44 Ponko92 lol :)
04:44 BotSteve wannabe1987: remind me to say hi
04:44 injektion left #thegeekgroup
04:44 tonsofpcs eh
04:44 kristopher i took this over the long weekend
04:44 Ponko92 this show is soo funny lol
04:44 kristopher http://xenogon.deviantart.com/art/sunset-213796709
04:44 Thermoelectric .in 0.0001 days remind me to do something
04:44 BotSteve Thermoelectric: Okay, will remind in 9 secs
04:44 Speed_Laptop theres noplace like ~
04:44 Cprossu tonsofpcs : http://oi52.tinypic.com/119vubr.jpg : =P
04:44 Toastdude .in 5 seconds Hi
04:44 BotSteve Toastdude: Okay, will remind in 5 secs
04:44 wannabe1987 you can do hours, minutes, etc tonsofpcs
04:44 BotSteve Thermoelectric: remind me to do something
04:45 BotSteve Toastdude: Hi
04:45 Toastdude Hi BotSteve!
04:45 BotSteve Hey Toastdude
04:45 Toastdude lol
04:45 tonsofpcs BotSteve: tell dr_jkl to check ##design for folks willing to work on his art
04:45 BotSteve tonsofpcs: I'll pass that on when dr_jkl is around.
04:45 tonsofpcs nap time :)
04:45 kristopher http://xenogon.deviantart.com/art/sunset-213796709
04:45 Cprossu tonsofpcs: betteR?
04:45 Cprossu http://oi52.tinypic.com/119vubr.jpg
04:46 kristopher now it look s like ald olive sgit
04:46 tonsofpcs a bit
04:46 kristopher old*
04:46 kristopher shit*
04:46 Cprossu it looks like that because vnc sucks
04:46 Cprossu it's really grey
04:46 kristopher lol
04:46 kristopher http://xenogon.deviantart.com/art/sunset-213796709
04:46 kristopher u liek?
04:46 tonsofpcs actually, it looks like that cus vnc is awesome
04:46 * wannabe1987 is going to bed for anyone that cares
04:46 tonsofpcs you can force full color in vnc but it takes a LOT longer
04:46 Thermoelectric Goodnight wannabe1987
04:46 wannabe1987 night Thermoelectric
04:47 tonsofpcs kristopher: beats my last sunsets.  ( flic.kr/tonsofpcs )
04:47 Ponko92 night wannabe
04:47 wannabe1987 night r yan
04:47 wannabe1987 ryan*
04:47 BatSteve gnight wannabe1987
04:47 wannabe1987 night BatSteve
04:48 Thermoelectric I has 22/100 tic tacs left.
04:48 tonsofpcs g'nite g'nite
04:48 kristopher sad
04:48 westmi left #thegeekgroup
04:49 Ponko92 yes thats my name >_>
04:49 wannabe1987 i know
04:49 Cprossu http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg
04:49 Cprossu ^ kristopher tonsofpcs =P
04:49 REDhome <3
04:50 BatSteve Thermoelectric: you have 22 caliber tictacs
04:50 tonsofpcs taking the screenshot at the remote end is cheating, Cprossu
04:50 Cprossu REDhome <3
04:50 Cprossu I didn't
04:50 REDhome ^_^
04:50 Cprossu check the pixel count, tonsofpcs
04:50 Cprossu if you don't believe me
04:51 * tonsofpcs is napping
04:51 Cprossu REDhome http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg <- xD
04:51 Cprossu we are close
04:51 Cprossu we just need outputs now
04:51 Cprossu that's the board control running on the pc xD
04:52 REDhome wow
04:54 Cprossu and that's what the actual board looks like too
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04:54 Cprossu I just need to fine one more piece I think
04:55 kristopher fire pro
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04:56 wannabe1987 ALSKDJF;KALSDJFA;SKLDJ;ALSDKFJASL;DJK PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED OFF
04:56 Thermoelectric ?
04:57 wannabe1987 more like annoyed actually
04:57 Thermoelectric How come?
04:57 wannabe1987 cuz.  people are fucking stupid
04:57 Toastdude I'm going now... Not cause of you, though wannabe.
04:57 wannabe1987 ...
04:57 wannabe1987 its ok
04:57 kristopher joined #thegeekgroup
04:57 wannabe1987 i'm supposed to be asleep
04:57 astro73|derrial what happened today?
04:58 Toastdude I'm sorry wannabe :(
04:58 eadthem left #thegeekgroup
04:58 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial LOTS
04:58 wannabe1987 on HERE
04:58 wannabe1987 omfg
04:58 wannabe1987 :eyeroll"
04:58 wannabe1987 typical men
04:58 Cprossu just made some iced coffee out of today's leftover coffee
04:58 Cprossu mmmmm
04:58 astro73|derrial this is cause for annoyance?
04:58 Cprossu ok I am set to try and get the outputs working now :D
04:58 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial in this instance it is
04:59 Ponko92 ummmmm o_O ok
04:59 Cprossu SpeedrunnerG55 : Progress! http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg
04:59 Druidic_Rifleman Cprossu that the lab feed?
04:59 * SpeedrunnerG55 clicks
04:59 wannabe1987 heck i can talk about it, i believe red has me on /ignore still
04:59 Cprossu not just yet
04:59 wannabe1987 HI RED
04:59 kristopher minecraft
04:59 Druidic_Rifleman for it?
05:00 Druidic_Rifleman what did red do to ignore you...
05:00 Cprossu that pic is a picture of how I got the switcher set up now
05:00 wannabe1987 lol its mor eof what i did
05:00 astro73|derrial I've taken human stupidity for granted at this point
05:00 Cprossu it's not live until we fix a few issues
05:00 SpeedrunnerG55 thats awesome Cprossu
05:00 Cprossu and get it to function right
05:00 Druidic_Rifleman the grass valley
05:00 Cprossu this is the Saturn
05:01 wannabe1987 no, its i can come in and i'll get 1 or 2 hellos, but red comes in and she gets EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF YOU to say hello...its fucking annoying
05:01 wannabe1987 Cprossu saturn = car?
05:01 Druidic_Rifleman alll
05:01 Cprossu by thompson for phillips but bought by grass valley @ dr_jkl
05:01 Cprossu * Druidic_Rifleman
05:01 Cprossu stupid autocomplfail
05:01 Druidic_Rifleman reds nice to people..
05:01 wannabe1987 so am i
05:01 Cprossu we finally figured out the lineage of the saturn Druidic_Rifleman
05:01 Druidic_Rifleman reds nicer
05:01 Druidic_Rifleman Awesome
05:01 Druidic_Rifleman ...still over my head...
05:02 wannabe1987 what'd i ever do to you, Druidic_Rifleman
05:02 Cprossu Built by Thompson, For Phillips... Thompson got bought out by Grass Valley Group
05:02 astro73|derrial i figured it was just that more people know red, since she's on the stream
05:02 Druidic_Rifleman be less nice thenr ed...
05:02 Cprossu thus taking the phillips product support with it
05:02 Druidic_Rifleman Red
05:02 Druidic_Rifleman ...
05:02 Cprossu isn't that messed up?
05:02 REDhome I never put you on ignore, Kelly.
05:02 wannabe1987 if i weren't camera shy, i woudla been on the fucking stream too
05:02 REDhome I just don't watch this all that often.
05:02 wannabe1987 fine.  you were ignoring me, whatever
05:02 Druidic_Rifleman She's nice all the time...
05:03 Druidic_Rifleman REDhome did that notice ever get you any work that i posted for you?
05:03 wannabe1987 what-fucking-ever...i'm going the fuck to sleep.  ya'lls annoying me
05:03 REDhome No I didn't Drew.
05:03 REDhome I wasn't ignoring you.
05:03 Druidic_Rifleman :(
05:03 REDhome I wasn't watching the stream.
05:04 Druidic_Rifleman I was hopping for like 40 hours
05:04 REDhome Astro told me that you were trying to talk to me, so i flipped back to IRC.
05:04 Druidic_Rifleman i got to play with a Digital SLR :D
05:04 Cprossu well I am hopping on my laptop for another caffeine filled bender.. hopefully my connection will remain...connected
05:05 Druidic_Rifleman i like my sniper rifle more but on the occassion i wanna shoot something i am not leggally allowed to kill like My little sister at her Convocation cerimony It's not bad
05:06 Ponko92 O_O
05:06 Ponko92 wow we might need to get Druidic Help lol
05:06 Thermoelectric ^
05:06 Druidic_Rifleman ... Nooooooooooooooo I just need to go paint balling
05:06 Ponko92 lol ok
05:07 Druidic_Rifleman and shoot a very annoying 15 year old thats on my side in the back of the head accidently... though i think the head ref's wife will probly of killed him
05:07 * BatSteve reminds everyone that this channel is logged by more than three people and at least one bot
05:07 Ponko92 yep
05:07 Ponko92 people are WATCHING this IRC chat
05:08 Druidic_Rifleman HI CSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM LEARNINGS SCIENCE MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
05:08 Ponko92 bahahahahahah
05:08 LeadHead You guyz all be 'tarded.
05:08 Druidic_Rifleman What i know CSIS has a crush on me the has a big long file on me to
05:09 Druidic_Rifleman they're getting kinda creepy stalkerish
05:09 Ponko92 wait what?
05:09 * BatSteve agrees with LeadHead
05:10 Ponko92 you mean me too LeadHead
05:10 Ponko92 O_O
05:11 Ponko92 hmmm i might catch some Z's
05:11 masterofmonks The channel log is also publically available and searchable.
05:12 Toastdude Night all
05:12 Druidic_Rifleman CSIS is canada's version of the CIA
05:13 Ponko92 ok what have you done to catch there eye
05:13 Toastdude left #thegeekgroup
05:13 Ponko92 if you have to have the CTF2 on you ummm
05:14 Ponko92 ok night all
05:14 SpeedrunnerG55 night Ponko92
05:15 REDhome Night dear.
05:15 Ponko92 SpeedrunnerG55 you should work for a restaurant
05:15 SpeedrunnerG55 ?!
05:15 SpeedrunnerG55 why
05:15 Ponko92 because you're soo friendly
05:15 SpeedrunnerG55 ... IRL im the opsite
05:15 Ponko92 lol
05:15 SpeedrunnerG55 imnot a people person
05:15 Ponko92 ah ok
05:16 SpeedrunnerG55 look at it this way
05:16 masterofmonks SpeedrunnerG55: You have just poked a button.
05:16 SpeedrunnerG55 im talking to a computer
05:16 SpeedrunnerG55 theres just people on the other end
05:16 Druidic_Rifleman OOOOOOOOOH i can take the EOS to my friend ians Photography class XD!!!
05:16 * masterofmonks waves a hand around dramatically.
05:16 Ponko92 and i'm your dear now eh Red ;) you best hope LJ doesn't find out
05:16 masterofmonks This isn't real?
05:16 SpeedrunnerG55 what masterofmonks ?
05:16 masterofmonks There are not real people on the other side of your conversations?
05:17 masterofmonks We are all figments of your imagination?
05:17 SpeedrunnerG55 no
05:17 Ponko92 haha lol masterofmonks stop messing with the guys head
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05:17 SpeedrunnerG55 this is real
05:17 Ponko92 yeah so's this
05:17 SpeedrunnerG55 just im talking to the computer as a proxy
05:18 masterofmonks <SpeedrunnerG55> ... IRL im the opsite
05:18 BatSteve wheered me bot go?
05:18 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
05:18 BatSteve there
05:18 Ponko92 there it is
05:18 Ponko92 went for a swift half
05:18 SpeedrunnerG55 ...ugh
05:18 Ponko92 ANYWAY i'm off
05:18 * SpeedrunnerG55 sends Ponko92 a halt instruction
05:19 Druidic_Rifleman Any one know if there is a more edited vodeo of the Tesla coil firing>
05:19 Druidic_Rifleman commign?
05:19 Ponko92 -_- what now
05:19 SpeedrunnerG55 im telling u to halt
05:19 SpeedrunnerG55 then power down
05:19 Sgt_Lemming methinks they need some light blocking curtains in front of where the spark gap is
05:19 Ponko92 i have practice in 4 hours then a game immediately after then MORE practice after that
05:20 Ponko92 lol
05:20 Druidic_Rifleman LOL
05:20 Sgt_Lemming because that gap puts out a lot more light than the coils do
05:20 SpeedrunnerG55 0_0
05:20 astro73|derrial Druidic_Rifleman: i assume there is
05:20 Druidic_Rifleman i think paul should of worn a welding mask
05:20 Druidic_Rifleman ...
05:20 Druidic_Rifleman Maybe 2
05:20 Ponko92 yeah and i'm under the pressure of peering college scouts eyes
05:20 Ponko92 aparently
05:20 astro73|derrial Sgt_Lemming: they have the red welding curtain stuff
05:20 Sgt_Lemming Druidic_Rifleman, if you are not looking directly at it, and for short periods of time
05:20 Sgt_Lemming it's fine
05:20 Ponko92 ANYWAY may i go now speedy?
05:20 Sgt_Lemming that'd work too astro73|derrial
05:21 Ponko92 BotSteve should i be allowed to sleep?
05:21 BotSteve Oh yeah!
05:21 Ponko92 thank you
05:21 SpeedrunnerG55 i was talling you to leave all the log Ponko92
05:21 SpeedrunnerG55 long
05:21 Ponko92 what log
05:22 SpeedrunnerG55 lo
05:22 SpeedrunnerG55 lol
05:22 Ponko92 yule....
05:22 SpeedrunnerG55 halt means end of program in assembelly
05:22 Ponko92 captains....
05:22 Ponko92 ah well you could just blown the whistle
05:22 * SpeedrunnerG55 blows the wistle
05:23 * Ponko92 jogs off victourious again waving helmet to the crowd as the packers go that 1 step nearer to going 16-0
05:23 BatSteve whooooo!!!
05:24 * BatSteve applauds Ponko92 off the field
05:24 Druidic_Rifleman hmmmm
05:24 SpeedrunnerG55 0_0
05:24 SpeedrunnerG55 Cprossu, you here?
05:24 * Ponko92 gives interveiw to ESPN in the good old english way
05:24 Druidic_Rifleman OK in canada it's illegall to posses any form of "ammunition" Designed to ignight on impact less then 15mm
05:25 Druidic_Rifleman How ever you can Stick a strike any wair match in an air rifle and Fire it...
05:25 * Ponko92 goes home and sleeps
05:25 Druidic_Rifleman i wonder if thats illegal....
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05:25 SpeedrunnerG55 Cprossu_Laptop, you here?
05:28 minifig404 Goodnight, all.
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05:29 SpeedrunnerG55 good night minifig404
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05:31 REDhome Hey egrsteve. ^_^
05:31 SpeedrunnerG55 hi steve
05:32 astro73|derrial egrsteve: lots of progress on the switcher?
05:33 SpeedrunnerG55 yes mutch
05:33 * REDhome is getting off IRC for the night. Goodnight Internet <2
05:33 REDhome <3
05:33 SpeedrunnerG55 what is it written in?
05:33 SpeedrunnerG55 <1
05:34 SpeedrunnerG55 night red
05:34 Cprossu goodnight REDhome!
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05:34 SpeedrunnerG55 0_0
05:35 Cprossu BotSteve: tell tggmc Remove the security and try output if I am not awake
05:35 BotSteve Cprossu: I'll pass that on when tggmc is around.
05:35 SpeedrunnerG55 Cprossu, what was that switcher program written in?
05:36 egrsteve speedrunner, I think VB6
05:36 BotSteve egrsteve: I have the following messages for you:
05:36 BotSteve At 18 Jun 07:46Z, Cprossu asked me to tell egrsteve Although the AVP3500 does not require sync, for some reason the MCC 3500 control console requires 'looping video sync'
05:36 SpeedrunnerG55 visual basic...6?
05:36 egrsteve thanks botsteve
05:36 BotSteve Happy to help, egrsteve
05:36 egrsteve i think so speed that and/or c++
05:36 SpeedrunnerG55 im jused used to it called visual basic thats all
05:36 astro73|derrial that's the vb6 icon, anyway
05:37 astro73|derrial http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg ?
05:37 egrsteve I assume its a version of vb then
05:37 SpeedrunnerG55 looks really cool tho
05:37 astro73|derrial those look like the icons available in VB5/6
05:38 egrsteve the software is a PIA
05:38 * SpeedrunnerG55 didnt know there was vertions
05:38 egrsteve harware is cool, but it is not fun to get working
05:38 astro73|derrial SpeedrunnerG55: vb6 was the last version before .net
05:39 astro73|derrial egrsteve: my dad had a saying about vb6, it's easy to make mediocre software, but extra hard to make good software
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 lol
05:40 astro73|derrial i'm inclined to agree with him, although there are worse languages on that metric
05:41 egrsteve there are always  worse languages
05:41 egrsteve as there are almost always better
05:41 egrsteve no language is best for everything, it depends on what you want to do
05:41 * SpeedrunnerG55 knows a wierd mix of assembbely and html
05:41 astro73|derrial except LISP, amirte
05:42 egrsteve yes, list, can you get anymore parenthases
05:43 egrsteve *lips
05:43 egrsteve (LISP
05:43 egrsteve great, I just killed chat, sorry everyone, you can resume now
05:44 Cprossu_Laptop hey egrsteve
05:44 astro73|derrial lisp is funny, though
05:44 egrsteve hi cprossu
05:44 Cprossu_Laptop I am busy messing with the config
05:44 Cprossu_Laptop I think if we kill the security it may work
05:44 astro73|derrial you can express any other language in a lisp syntax
05:44 Cprossu_Laptop also I got something really cool to show you
05:44 egrsteve have fun, I will be off to sleep soon, and probably not be at the lab tomarrow
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop ^ this is the switching software
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop I redid our desktop because vnc was choking
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop and I still lost it anyway
05:45 egrsteve ok
05:45 BatSteve astro73|derrial: technically can't you express any turing-complete language in any other turing-complete language?
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop but there are software panels and stuff
05:45 BatSteve (assuming enough memory)
05:45 Cprossu_Laptop which is kinda cool
05:46 Cprossu_Laptop I think the router just hates me
05:46 astro73|derrial BatSteve: you can convert them, but you can express any syntax as a lisp tree
05:46 egrsteve that is cool
05:46 Druidic_Rifleman ok night geeks
05:46 Druidic_Rifleman i am passing out
05:46 egrsteve nigh
05:46 Cprossu_Laptop but yeah I am a happy camper
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop I really should go through the documentation
05:47 Druidic_Rifleman tell me about your RC thing tomorrow steve
05:47 egrsteve what makes you so happy
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop I bet there's something really simple I missed
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop btw there's a powerpoint presentation in the same dir as the configurator
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop on 6.2.1
05:47 egrsteve this is the closest we have had it to working, you are doing a great job
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop showing you the hell that v5 apparently wa
05:47 Cprossu_Laptop s
05:47 * SpeedrunnerG55 seepsforamoment
05:48 * SpeedrunnerG55 sleepf for a moment
05:48 egrsteve does it show how to setup v6
05:48 Cprossu_Laptop no
05:48 Cprossu_Laptop of course not!
05:48 * SpeedrunnerG55 dreams of chat...0_0
05:48 egrsteve if they ever make a v7 it will have the same thing for  v6
05:48 Cprossu_Laptop it just says, look at all the things that used to really suck that don't suck anymore! we even give you some help!!!
05:48 Cprossu_Laptop they did make v7
05:49 Cprossu_Laptop and there's a reason we aren't using it I think
05:49 astro73|derrial ouch
05:49 astro73|derrial how hard would it be to write your own?
05:49 egrsteve i see
05:49 Cprossu_Laptop astro73|derrial: want me to show you?
05:49 Cprossu_Laptop give me a minute
05:50 astro73|derrial k...
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05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 MoM left?
05:51 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.2shared.com/file/X_vlSw_Q/CFGSET02NEW.html
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05:51 Cprossu_Laptop ^ astro73|derrial : download, unzip, and look at the sheer amount of files
05:51 Cprossu_Laptop each file is simple enough but...
05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 whats that./
05:52 Cprossu_Laptop this is what gets 'compiled' into something
05:52 SpeedrunnerG55 oh
05:52 SpeedrunnerG55 each fileisa subroutine?
05:52 SpeedrunnerG55 each file is a?
05:54 BatSteve time for bed
05:54 BatSteve goodnight everyone
05:55 BatSteve is now known as BatSteve-Away
05:55 SpeedrunnerG55 night BatSteve-Away
05:55 BatSteve-Away night speed
05:55 SpeedrunnerG55 ^_^
05:55 egrsteve night batsteve
05:55 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: what language is that
05:56 Cprossu_Laptop I really don't have a clue
05:56 Cprossu_Laptop it seems to be a mishmash
05:56 Cprossu_Laptop of all kinds of things
05:56 * SpeedrunnerG55 clicks link
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop the software that creates everything is a mixture of vb6, visual c++ and other horrifying things
05:57 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: umm... it doesn't appear to be any language
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop plain text
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop let me see if it has any compiler
05:57 SpeedrunnerG55 can iu donload?
05:57 astro73|derrial there's only 176KB of data there
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop because it runs one
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop sure download
05:57 Cprossu_Laptop and it's all arranged arbitrarily
05:57 astro73|derrial most of the files are empty
05:58 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I am aware
05:58 astro73|derrial that's what the program has to generate, i think
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05:58 Cprossu_Laptop hrmm
05:58 Cprossu_Laptop Compile32ATL.dll
06:00 * astro73|derrial tries to remember if he still has the old introspection tools
06:00 Cprossu_Laptop WOW
06:00 Cprossu_Laptop it compiles it right into the startup files, astro73|derrial
06:00 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: what compiles into what now?
06:01 Cprossu_Laptop astro73|derrial: when it bootP's
06:01 Cprossu_Laptop it downloads the firmware
06:01 Cprossu_Laptop and a file called saturn.sys
06:02 Cprossu_Laptop it actually 'hard codes' the settings into these files
06:02 astro73|derrial that's one of the scenarios i expected
06:02 Cprossu_Laptop and jupiter.sys as well
06:02 Cprossu_Laptop so it makes a new code to run every time you compile it
06:02 Cprossu_Laptop extremely lazy programming
06:03 astro73|derrial makes sense for an embedded system
06:03 Cprossu_Laptop then again it is a mission critical environment
06:03 SpeedrunnerG55 satin.cat ?!!?!
06:03 Cprossu_Laptop the directory names change
06:03 Cprossu_Laptop as you change the names of stuff
06:04 astro73|derrial oh look, i do have dependency walker lying around
06:04 Cprossu_Laptop in this case that's an input called satin (for saturn in)
06:06 astro73|derrial (one of the things dependency walker does is show me DLL entry points. Doesn't show me their function signatures, though)
06:07 astro73|derrial also, that program with the "MFC" Icon? old C++
06:08 astro73|derrial MFC is microsoft's old C++ framework before they had .NET
06:08 Hackotter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBN0PqWnk5I&amp;feature=feedu
06:08 Hackotter lol at 3 20 people resonding to one guy
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06:08 Cprossu_Laptop o...m...g.
06:09 Cprossu_Laptop astro73|derrial : http://www.2shared.com/file/_2aIzbfw/Compile32ATL.html
06:09 Cprossu_Laptop I made it with dependancy walker fyi
06:09 Cprossu_Laptop prepare to shit bricks.
06:10 * wannabe1987 tries sleeping again
06:11 astro73|derrial oh, i may have to find a newer version
06:11 SpeedrunnerG55 wannabe count sheep
06:11 SpeedrunnerG55 it works, trust me
06:11 wannabe1987 nope
06:11 wannabe1987 my brian won't shut up
06:11 SpeedrunnerG55 :/
06:11 wannabe1987 brain*
06:11 Cprossu_Laptop damnit brian, shut up ^_^
06:11 wannabe1987 damn dogs right?
06:12 * SpeedrunnerG55 sends halt instruction to wannabe
06:12 * Cprossu_Laptop sends an IRQ to wannabe
06:12 wannabe1987 irq?
06:12 SpeedrunnerG55 is that power down?
06:12 SpeedrunnerG55 its an interupt
06:12 SpeedrunnerG55 idk what tho
06:12 Cprossu_Laptop yeah as a result you ignored SpeedrunnerG55's halt instruction
06:13 Cprossu_Laptop interupt request
06:13 * wannabe1987 is lost
06:13 wannabe1987 night
06:13 * SpeedrunnerG55 finds wannabe
06:13 Cprossu_Laptop means "pay attention to me and ignore everyone else!"
06:13 Cprossu_Laptop "and stop what you're doing!"
06:13 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: ok, that's normal. Must be using COM
06:13 * SpeedrunnerG55 puts her in bed
06:13 * SpeedrunnerG55 shuts door
06:13 wannabe1987 creepy
06:13 Cprossu_Laptop should I look for anything, astro73|derrial?
06:14 * SpeedrunnerG55 shuts door behind me
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06:14 BotSteve Spatula.
06:14 * SpeedrunnerG55 walks away from room
06:14 wannabe1987 spatula city!
06:14 SpeedrunnerG55 :D
06:14 Cprossu_Laptop borland windows custom control library
06:14 astro73|derrial COM metadata is stored in the registry, HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT iirc. THe best way is to look for compile32atl.dll
06:14 Cprossu_Laptop ^ theres some of that too
06:15 astro73|derrial and yes, it's going to be a mess of UUIDs
06:15 astro73|derrial although if i knew more about COM, there might be a program that can introspect COM objects
06:15 astro73|derrial but the registry should at least get you class names
06:15 Cprossu_Laptop oh wow
06:15 Cprossu_Laptop astro73|derrial: VBRUN300.DLL
06:16 Cprossu_Laptop omgggggggggggg
06:16 dr_jkl Fear and Loathing in Grand Rapids: "...we had twelve dozen capacitors and resistors of varying values, photocells, IR LEDs, magnetic couplings, transformers and thermistors... we wouldn't NEED all of this, but when you start collecting spare parts, the urge is to push it as far as you can."
06:16 BotSteve dr_jkl: I have the following messages for you:
06:16 BotSteve At 04:45Z, tonsofpcs asked me to tell dr_jkl to check ##design for folks willing to work on his art
06:16 * dr_jkl checks herself for tits. Yup, still there.
06:16 SpeedrunnerG55 o_o
06:17 Cprossu_Laptop Copyright 1989-1994, Btrieve Technologies
06:17 Cprossu_Laptop Microkernel Database Engine Interface
06:17 masterofmonks SpeedrunnerG55: if you ask nicely....
06:17 BotSteve masterofmonks: I have the following messages for you:
06:17 BotSteve At 05:54Z, BatSteve asked me to tell masterofmonks I said goodnight
06:17 Cprossu_Laptop 6.15.1
06:17 Cprossu_Laptop ^ what the hell is that, astro73|derrial?
06:17 SpeedrunnerG55 ?
06:18 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: ... that might be the VB3 runtime DLL?
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop no
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop this is a diff file
06:18 astro73|derrial hm?
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop [23:17] <Cprossu_Laptop> Copyright 1989-1994, Btrieve Technologies
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop [23:17] <Cprossu_Laptop> Microkernel Database Engine Interface
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop <Cprossu_Laptop> 6.15.1
06:18 astro73|derrial that's not a standard file
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop yeah I know
06:18 Cprossu_Laptop there's so many weirddddd things in here
06:19 astro73|derrial my guess is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrieve
06:19 SpeedrunnerG55 masterofmonks, what?
06:19 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: it's to be expected. the software came secondary, hacked together so there was one
06:20 astro73|derrial same thing happened with MPLAB, i expect. and terrible software resulted
06:21 masterofmonks SpeedrunnerG55: It's just a good guideline for most things.
06:21 SpeedrunnerG55 oh
06:22 Cprossu_Laptop is there anything on this whole entire thing that isn't hacked together with bubblegum and compatibility layers, astro73|derrial?
06:22 astro73|derrial *shrug* you tell me
06:22 Cprossu_Laptop no.
06:22 astro73|derrial i've never seen the software, much less looking at it
06:23 Cprossu_Laptop and the bubblegum is labeled double bubble but it's packed in a wrigglies style package and it was actually made by bubbleyum with a recipe from beemans.
06:24 astro73|derrial lol
06:24 astro73|derrial sounds like vb6
06:24 Cprossu_Laptop there's some of that too
06:24 Cprossu_Laptop it gives it the sour flavor at the center.
06:25 Cprossu_Laptop and there's even vb3 too
06:25 astro73|derrial no, that's the C++/MFC
06:25 Cprossu_Laptop there's some of that too
06:25 Cprossu_Laptop there's a bit of everything in here
06:25 Cprossu_Laptop it's like a stone soup that they made with all the worst ingredients so it still tastes like shit.
06:26 astro73|derrial if there's visual foxpro in there, i'm done
06:26 astro73|derrial or J++
06:26 Cprossu_Laptop I'm sure there is
06:26 * astro73|derrial shudders in horror
06:27 Cprossu_Laptop omg I found a help file!
06:27 Cprossu_Laptop and it's a pdf!
06:27 Cprossu_Laptop how did I miss it?!
06:27 astro73|derrial no idea
06:27 Cprossu_Laptop actually it's like 40 pdf's
06:28 astro73|derrial lol
06:28 astro73|derrial time to find a local kinkos and some 3-rings?
06:28 Cprossu_Laptop no way
06:28 Cprossu_Laptop he has them already
06:29 astro73|derrial lol
06:29 Cprossu_Laptop well this is going to suck
06:29 Cprossu_Laptop I'll be back later
06:30 astro73|derrial ok
06:30 astro73|derrial if you want more help with code introspection, let me know
06:30 astro73|derrial i think i have floppies for VB3 around here somewhere
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06:33 SpeedrunnerG55 wb
06:33 SpeedrunnerG55 what was that file sharring website?
06:34 astro73|derrial SpeedrunnerG55: which one? i prefer dropbox myself
06:35 SpeedrunnerG55 whatever one
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06:38 Cprossu_Laptop we gotta be careful we don't accidently miscompile all this crap into glados, astro73|derrial
06:39 astro73|derrial Cprossu_Laptop: lol, don't worry. I don't think tgg keeps any neurotoxin around, and it wouldn't be connected to the AV network
06:39 dr_jkl deadly neurotoxin.
06:39 dr_jkl so green.... so deadly.
06:40 Cprossu_Laptop all I know, is that it keeps mentiontioning how you can control a 128x128 matrix
06:40 Cprossu_Laptop or a few of them
06:42 astro73|derrial that's a screen, right?
06:42 astro73|derrial an extra low res one at that
06:44 astro73|derrial ok, it's better than my old TI-83+, so it's still useful
06:44 Cprossu_Laptop rofl
06:44 Cprossu_Laptop the examples on config
06:45 Cprossu_Laptop include "boss Bill" and "operator Dave"
06:45 astro73|derrial lol
06:45 Cprossu_Laptop I'm stealking that next time I write a manual
06:45 astro73|derrial not Al and Brian?
06:45 Cprossu_Laptop *stealing
06:45 Cprossu_Laptop no it's boss bill and operator dave!
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07:07 Cprossu_Laptop omg.
07:09 Cprossu_Laptop BotSteve: tell tggmc Also in the control sets, they reference that the 5x5 grid of buttons is what somehow decides it, the numbering starts at 1 on the top left and ends at 20 at the bottom right of the matrix, ignore any other number on said buttons, just look at our tables in the jupiter control panel set for SATOUT
07:09 BotSteve Cprossu_Laptop: I'll pass that on when tggmc is around.
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07:18 crohakon http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html <--- hehehe
07:22 Cprossu_Laptop BotSteve: tell tggmc And provide a blanking signal to the MCC-3500 before I forget!!!!!!!!!!!! the avp 3500 doesn't need one, the mcc DOES.
07:22 BotSteve Cprossu_Laptop: I'll pass that on when tggmc is around.
07:30 astro73|derrial crohakon: it's amazing how much kool-aid they can put in one course
07:31 crohakon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6nWpaPNZTk&amp;feature=share <--- Not sure how real this is, but would not be surprised...
07:31 crohakon Anyway, goodnight
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07:34 astro73|derrial there was an XP update that the NSA mysteriously pushed as well
07:55 Cprossu_Laptop goodnight everyone
08:18 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: lwq1996 on Toxic waste chew bars recalled by the FDA.
08:18 Cprossu_Laptop BotSteve: tell tggmc and I just woke up to remember - add "PC (JNS)" to the jupiter network description too with the MACID of the ethernet card.
08:18 BotSteve Cprossu_Laptop: I'll pass that on when tggmc is around.
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09:00 djmike well i am new so but i have respect to all members
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09:08 pegasus did you see that ludicrous display last night?
09:16 Hackotter one sec pegasus
09:16 Hackotter gotta check my email >_> <_<
09:17 Hackotter What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early?
09:22 pegasus the problem with arsenal is that they always try and walk it in
10:07 * Hackotter sighs
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10:29 Nazca I so need to get my computer working again *glares at hard drives*
10:29 Nazca anyone around?
10:29 asnopus yello
10:30 Nazca actually that question is fail ... I'll rephrase... anyone around that fancies helping me understand tesla coils? :p
10:32 Hackotter Jesus makes them work
10:33 Nazca or more specifically... normally an air dialectic capacitor is two plates separated by a gap, and this I understand.  Tesla secondary seems too big for this.  Is is just pulling and releasing charge in the air, with the "second plate" no more than a reference voltage?
10:35 Nazca I get a little confused when dealing with systems I can't define as being closed :p
10:37 Hackotter A teslacoil is a Transfromer
10:37 Nazca yes, I get the whole coupled resonant oscillator bit
10:38 Nazca I'm just a little unsure of the capacitive element of the secondary... saying the output is one plate and the earth is the other doesn't make sense to me yet
10:39 Hackotter As far as I know
10:39 Hackotter it's just using the air and the ground as a resistive element
10:40 Nazca to be LC resonance it has to have a capacitive element of some kind
10:41 Hackotter well the air does serve as a dialectric
10:42 Nazca yes, but capacitance decreases as plate separation increases... 6+ feet of air aught to have negligible capacitance
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10:44 Nazca my logic is that if one plate of the capacitor is reference ground, then any air that is potential 0V would be considered the other plate... but this is also confusing
10:47 Thermoelectric The capacitive aspect of it comes from the topload.
10:47 Thermoelectric The toroidal (usually) shaped thing.
10:48 Nazca right... standing capacitance of an isolated conductor?
10:49 Thermoelectric I guess?
10:49 Thermoelectric http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Capacitance_1:_Tesla_Coil_Topload
10:50 Nazca I get the feeling that tesla coils are one of these things that the underlying physics is not something builders like to think about lol
10:50 Sgt_Lemming a lot of  people build them for the ZOMGHV factor
10:51 Sgt_Lemming without considering or taking into account best practices for building
10:51 Sgt_Lemming and end up with a piss weak coil
11:01 * Nazca tries thinking of this from the other direction
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11:04 Nazca electricity is the flow of electrons ... the toroid is a big low resistance hunk of conductor, the earth and air are high resistance supplies of electrons... the magnetic field drags electrons in to the conductor by force, but they then have a limited ability to leak out on their own, so the static charge builds up until it has enough to neutralize against something that isn't directly connected?
11:06 Nazca kind of like blowing up a really big balloon by blowing a lot of air in to it in bursts with a little leakage between bursts, until the pressure is sufficient to cause a break in the material through which the pressure can escape in a much bigger burst
11:07 Nazca (do tell me if my simplifications are wrong :)
11:12 Sgt_Lemming think of it more like a bucket
11:12 Sgt_Lemming the smoother the outside of the topload, the bigger the bucket
11:13 Sgt_Lemming the electrons pour in untill the bucket is full, and when they overflow they take some with them due to surface tension
11:13 Sgt_Lemming and the bucket "slowly" fills again
11:16 Nazca I think that makes sense
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11:52 Thermoelectric Good work.
11:52 Hackotter tea is a gateway drug D:
11:53 Hackotter one moment you're sipping Chai the next you're snorting crushed up meth off a 16 year old's ass D:
11:53 Thermoelectric O_o
11:54 Hackotter well the donk'y was the only thing tall enough to set the surface we were using D:
11:54 Hackotter *donkey
11:54 obtusemobile im a big fan of camomille but you dont see me mething it uo
11:54 obtusemobile up
11:55 Hackotter Camomille is for pussies D:< Chai is a man's tea.
11:56 * Hackotter has been up all night...
11:56 obtusemobile eh,i got manliness covered by the darkness of beer
11:57 obtusemobile i love a good porter,stout,or bourbon ale
11:59 Thermoelectric I love a good juice.
11:59 obtusemobile me too
12:00 obtusemobile pomegranitte
12:00 obtusemobile good stuff
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12:24 Nazca ok, someone is taking the piss
12:24 Nazca B.A.T.M.A.N. (better approach to mobile ad-hoc networking) is a routing protocol for multi-hop ad-hoc mesh networks.
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12:39 * Hackotter is suprised Freenode doesn't have a Magic the gathering Channel
12:40 Thermoelectric Make one. :)
12:42 Hackotter but I want someone who knows about it to make it D:
12:48 Obtuse_ Hackotter, listen to this song on MTG ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioi2e6xL3XE
12:48 Hackotter heard it
12:49 Obtuse_ its fairly accurate
12:49 Obtuse_ lol
12:50 Obtuse_ I have played a bit of MTG
12:51 * Hackotter has been playing since yesterday
12:51 Hackotter They released a new Digital Game
12:52 Hackotter the gamer dilema
12:53 Hackotter Slepp or play
12:53 Hackotter *sleep
13:00 masterofmonks The reason that Freenode doesn't have a M:TG channel is that it doesn't fit the Free/open source theme of freenode.
13:00 Hackotter ah
13:00 Hackotter so that's why it has 20 minecraft channels?
13:01 masterofmonks Nobody said that everyone was aware of the concept.
13:01 Hackotter I'm sure it might of started with a theme but it's degradged :P
13:02 Hackotter It's kinda a nerd Stuff server now
13:02 masterofmonks And really Minecraft is more free than a lot of things.
13:02 Hackotter the windows channel?
13:03 masterofmonks There is a lot of Free and open source software for windows.
13:03 Hackotter the WoW tech support channel?
13:03 masterofmonks Free sharing of knowledge.
13:04 Hackotter the channel for the "two more times" Gaming live stream?
13:05 masterofmonks I have no clue what that is.
13:05 Hackotter channel made for a live streamer group that does game streams
13:06 Hackotter oh ##mac
13:06 Hackotter anyway
13:07 Hackotter all I'm saying is It's got alot of, Interest channels now
13:07 masterofmonks So we aren't going to go through the entire list of 30769 channels?
13:08 masterofmonks Also there is something to consider.
13:08 masterofmonks There is likely an official M:TG channel somewhere.
13:09 masterofmonks And if that exists, why be in some lesser channel?
13:09 Hackotter @_@
13:10 Hackotter Iwas just saying I'm suprised Freenode doesn't have one
13:10 Hackotter wasn't saying OMG THERE"S NO CHANNEL FOR IT ON HERE
13:10 masterofmonks Pretty much every modern client allows connections to multiple servers so really it doesn't make sense to make a lesser channel when you can be in the main one.
13:10 Hackotter it's a 500 user vs 50 user thing
13:11 Hackotter if there's a main one it's where EVERYONE goes.
13:11 Hackotter it's probally crowded and busy
13:11 masterofmonks True, but you did get a bit obtuse (sorry for the highlight) analyzing the server theme.
13:12 masterofmonks Of 500 users generally only 100 users will be talking at any one time.
13:12 Hackotter 100 is still alot
13:13 Hackotter a sorta 30-50 user group has the right size for getting help and such
13:13 masterofmonks Sure, but I regularly am in a 500+ user channel. It's not that bad.
13:14 Thermoelectric Look at this channel. 2 out of 50 people are talking. Scale that up...
13:14 Thermoelectric Well, 3 now.
13:14 asnopus & Now 4
13:14 masterofmonks And the text doesn't look like Star Wars in fast forward.
13:15 pegasus i seem to recall reading somewhere that seven people are the most that can participate in a conversation without it tending to degrade into multiple simultaneous conversations
13:16 Thermoelectric IRC isn't IRC without atleast 5 simultaneous conversations.
13:16 asnopus sounds about right
13:16 pegasus throw in that 8th person and the tipping point is passed
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13:16 masterofmonks pegasus: Possible. However it isn't that hard to track 3-4 concersatinos at once.
13:16 pegasus i just hate doing it is all
13:17 masterofmonks That's what sub channels and PMs are for?
13:17 pegasus sociology is a big fuzzy mess, though, so i'm definitely not saying the figure is right
13:17 pegasus and i live most of my life in /msg
13:17 masterofmonks You're not a doctor but you play one in the bedroom?
13:18 pegasus i kinda play a doctor all day long, but that's unrelated to your entendre.
13:18 pegasus ...mostly
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13:19 pegasus i'm with otter, though, i like smaller groups for conversation.
13:20 masterofmonks Well look at this channel.
13:20 pegasus why do you think i'm still here
13:20 masterofmonks A couple of months back we went from about 15 regular users to 50.
13:21 pegasus 50 is about right most of the time
13:22 masterofmonks I think the tipping point for IRC and usability really is around 500-600 users that's when you need to split into dual channels or such
13:22 pegasus although this is the largest channel i idle in
13:22 masterofmonks Ah.
13:22 masterofmonks I am generally on three networks at one time.
13:23 masterofmonks And I am an IRCoper on one of those.'
13:23 pegasus most of the others are dedicated to specific products or vestigial for the most part
13:23 pegasus four networks at the moment
13:23 masterofmonks One of the channels I am generally in is a 500+ user channel.
13:24 pegasus yeah, i wouldn't do it
13:24 asnopus 0_o
13:24 masterofmonks With a fairly active user base. It's not that much faster than here really.
13:24 masterofmonks But there is something to consider there.
13:24 pegasus with three conversations, someone trying to get my attention scrolls off the top of the screen before i even notice my name
13:25 pegasus can't do it
13:26 masterofmonks At the 500 user point it's more like an active comment roll, and conversations split off or users form niche channels for the main channel.
13:27 tonsofpcs mornin
13:27 masterofmonks Spatula.
13:28 Thermoelectric Sleep time, night night.
13:28 asnopus Night
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13:34 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
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13:37 * SpeedrunnerG55 wakes up
13:41 Obtuse_ so what is the deal with G55?
13:43 SpeedrunnerG55 it sounds cool
13:44 masterofmonks SpeedrunnerG55: does a paint job look fast too?
13:48 tonsofpcs BotSteve: tell Thermoelectric that there should be a "quick guide to IRC" that explains these things like multiple conversations, idling, etc.  I had to explain to users who thought they were 'interrupting' and wouldn't say what they really wanted until they got a direct acknowledgement...
13:48 BotSteve tonsofpcs: I'll pass that on when Thermoelectric is around.
13:50 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: I won't tell you how many networks I'm on and how many channels on each.  Suffice it to say that when I join a new channel and/or network, odds are I know at least one person there (if not more than half the channel) :)
13:51 * pegasus could list channels where you wouldn't know anyone.
13:52 masterofmonks Or networks...
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13:53 * tonsofpcs is open to suggestions of places that he should be but isn't
13:54 * tonsofpcs is in 51 channels _currently_ on freenode alone
13:54 Obtuse_ why does the whois lookup not show that
13:54 injektion I'm only on this one lol
13:54 tonsofpcs Obtuse_: i'm set +i and the channels are +i
13:54 tonsofpcs here, now i'm not +i
13:55 Obtuse_ that's a lot of channels
13:58 Obtuse_ i'm usually on freenode and espernet
13:58 Obtuse_ I like the ocremix game remix community
13:58 Obtuse_ www.ocremix.org
13:59 * tonsofpcs is well aware of ocremix
13:59 * tonsofpcs used to play some ocremix stuff on his radio show
13:59 Obtuse_ ah cool
13:59 Obtuse_ I've went to vegas to hang out with those people
13:59 Obtuse_ and to the Music and Gaming Festival in Virginia
13:59 tonsofpcs (we had a classic/retro rock + video game music radio show at a student station -- some others later tried using the idea and failed horribly)
14:00 Obtuse_ I'm not a posted remixer yet, but one day
14:00 Obtuse_ I'd like o be
14:00 Obtuse_ that's pretty cool
14:00 Obtuse_ The other site that is awesome is the commodore 64 remixers on kwed
14:00 tonsofpcs I need to get new audio softwares.  I'm contemplating the proppellerhead stuff
14:01 Obtuse_ propellerhead is all I use
14:01 Obtuse_ Reason and Record
14:01 Obtuse_ http://obtusemusic.bandcamp.com/
14:01 tonsofpcs I used reason _once_ about 10 years ago...
14:02 Obtuse_ made that album using Record/Reason
14:02 tonsofpcs it just seems quite affordable and useful
14:02 Obtuse_ if 400 bucks is affordable for you then yes
14:02 tonsofpcs how tight is the integration between the two?
14:03 tonsofpcs compared to everything else out there, $400 is quite affordable.
14:03 Obtuse_ buy both and it is awesome
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14:03 tonsofpcs That said, I need to see if I qualify for any discounts
14:03 Obtuse_ its like using Reason, but you can use live audio!
14:03 Obtuse_ I've NEVER had it crash
14:03 tonsofpcs do you do any multitracking with it?
14:03 Obtuse_ yes
14:04 Obtuse_ although, do you mean multiple recording at the same time?
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14:04 Obtuse_ i've never done more than 1 input at a time
14:04 * tonsofpcs also needs to get a multitrack DAW set up at work... MADI card for the wheatstone, MADI card for a workstation, the DAW hardware and software is peanuts in relation to that.
14:04 Obtuse_ so you've got lots of fun stuff
14:05 tonsofpcs http://www.tonsofpcs.com/D9.jpg  -- I want to put it in that room.  Unfortunately, the D9 can't be used as a PC controller nor can it be PC controlled (even though it's all motorized, etc.)
14:06 tonsofpcs have you used re-cycle at all?
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14:08 Obtuse_ I have once or twice
14:08 Obtuse_ I typically don't chop up audio
14:09 Obtuse_ that is a sweet studio
14:09 Obtuse_ do you have this all where you work or in your basement?
14:10 tonsofpcs that's at work
14:10 Obtuse_ what is your day job?
14:11 tonsofpcs for audio gear at home, i have an old roland line mixer in my kitchen, a casio LK in my theatre/living room, and a cheap RS DJ mixer (and a MIDI interface and some cheap mics)
14:11 * tonsofpcs is a broadcast engineer at a TV/radio station
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14:12 tonsofpcs also, i totally just browsed to a website with an ad for a free website counter.  /me tries to escape the twilight zone
14:12 mashpriborintorg hi dudes
14:13 tonsofpcs hi
14:13 Obtuse_ sup mash
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14:18 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:
14:18 BotSteve Captain's Blog 6-18-11 Juiceblaster saturn Console, and HVL Lights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSStq7mgyOI
14:20 tonsofpcs *click*
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14:26 * tonsofpcs now googles ejuice and such
14:32 mashpriborintorg this saturn console is incredible, I love these expensive led matrix displays
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14:35 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: please to not be hacking apart the switcher :)
14:36 masterofmonks What?
14:39 tonsofpcs err, sorry, that was for mashpriborintorg ^^
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14:52 mashpriborintorg I wonder how it looks like in pro philips equipment, usually they just make crappy consumer stuff
14:53 Cprossu rofl
14:53 Cprossu that's because it wasn't made by phillips
14:53 Cprossu ready for this?
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14:54 Cprossu Thompson built it for Phillips with (mostly) Phillips specifications but Grass Valley Group bought out Thompson and thus had to suport it.
14:55 mashpriborintorg the mysteries of electronics industry XD
14:55 Cprossu so through the years it's gained Thompson, Phillips, and GVG...uh... molestation
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14:55 Cprossu and if you take it apart for the matrix led sets I will personally kick your ass!
14:55 Cprossu way too much time in it now
14:55 mashpriborintorg lol
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14:56 Cprossu the software that puts together config files to run
14:57 Cprossu is a mishmash of c++ visual c, visual basics 3, 5, and 6, with probably 4 in there too, there's a proprietary database engine somewhere and the frame itself "runs" vxworks
14:57 xanhs phillips doesn't make anything by it self anymore only thay put there name on it
14:57 xanhs and thay design it ofcourse
14:58 Obtuse_ what a mess
14:59 Cprossu if the person responsible for the software still works at GVG, DIAF.
15:00 tonsofpcs lol Cprossu
15:00 tonsofpcs Cprossu: normally things like this are configured by field service techs...
15:00 Cprossu he might even be a nice guy but he should never be allowed to touch a compiler, text editor, or IDE ever again
15:00 tonsofpcs you're lucky you found instructions on how to do it yourself
15:00 Cprossu rofl
15:01 Obtuse_ yea, where did you figure all this out?
15:01 tonsofpcs (as much as you did, that is)
15:01 Cprossu I actually gave up on the documentation
15:01 Cprossu and just went through every menu and guessed
15:01 Obtuse_ lol!
15:01 Cprossu and made stuff up as I went along, keeping things named what they were stamped with
15:01 Obtuse_ good method as long as there isn't a brick option
15:02 Cprossu well the good thing is
15:02 Cprossu that the ram can always be wiped
15:02 Cprossu it acts as a thin client
15:02 Cprossu without the boot file it does nothing
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15:02 Cprossu and does nothing permanently
15:03 Obtuse_ so you guys keep talking about Neptune and Saturn ... what are those 2 units?
15:03 Cprossu actually we just have a saturn
15:03 Cprossu we don't have a venus, neptune, mars, whatever
15:03 Cprossu or a "Tom"
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15:04 Cprossu but the documentation says that "Boss
15:04 Cprossu Bill"
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15:04 Cprossu runs the place
15:04 Obtuse_ haha.
15:05 Obtuse_ is Saturn the controller ?
15:05 Cprossu and "Operator Dave" makes the magic happen
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15:06 eadthem man i bought 2 bags of machine bolts and nuts    1/2 of them striped out
15:06 wannabe1987 so...it turns out i'm going home for fathers day
15:06 Cprossu HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
15:06 eadthem bolting to plexiglass so i was alredy takeing it easy to keep it from cracking
15:07 Cprossu check out what typing "Boss Bill" "Operator Dave" pulls up on google
15:09 Cprossu and Boss Bill's password is 007007 ... does that make him a double double agent?
15:10 Obtuse_ wtf are you talking about Cprossu?
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15:10 Cprossu Obtuse_ : our video switcher, a Phillips Saturn AVP3500 with Saturn MCC3500 Control Surface
15:11 tonsofpcs controlled by Jupiter control software and the Jupiter configurator
15:11 Cprossu which uses the Jupiter Networking Suite, Configurator, and Server to work
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15:11 tonsofpcs because everyone knows that Jupiter is in charge of Saturn.
15:11 Cprossu and Venus too, tonsofpcs
15:11 tonsofpcs (he put a ring on it)
15:11 tonsofpcs venus is obviously their child.
15:12 Cprossu but big boss...err I mean Boss Bill controls the saturn
15:12 Obtuse_ 007007 would be a pretty good password
15:13 Obtuse_ easy to remember not so easy to hack
15:13 Cprossu what?!
15:13 Obtuse_ no dictionary words
15:13 Cprossu still it wouldn't take that long
15:13 eadthem unless you check for patterned numbers
15:13 Cprossu or a hash table
15:14 eadthem or have things like 12345  007 in the dictonary
15:14 masterofmonks Ok, this is weird.
15:14 masterofmonks Using the random name generator for WoW.
15:14 Obtuse_ what if you were like 007_008!@#
15:14 masterofmonks This name pops up.
15:14 masterofmonks Scognueegeek
15:14 Cprossu numbers only on this system I think
15:14 Obtuse_ that's silly
15:14 Cprossu no it's not
15:14 Obtuse_ no?
15:14 Cprossu when you only have a numpad
15:15 Obtuse_ haha. that is true
15:15 eadthem i pulled eadthem and eadhtem out of the random name generator in starwars galaxys
15:15 Cprossu remember this has to be operated on the console
15:15 Obtuse_ i didn't realize it
15:15 Cprossu in fact
15:15 eadthem well the latter i pulled out  this was my alternate
15:15 Cprossu I don't even think they have the numpad!
15:15 Cprossu but to answer the hackability question
15:15 Obtuse_ scroll wheel and an enter button?
15:15 Cprossu a 7 digit hash table'd kill it
15:16 Cprossu and with a graphics card that can be built and stowed away
15:16 Cprossu fairly quickly
15:16 Obtuse_ I guess I need to spend some time learning some security stuff in the future
15:18 Nazca * Hackotter is suprised Freenode doesn't have a Magic the gathering Channel <--- at least it isn't YGO *shudders*
15:18 Cprossu now a 20 digit number without a pattern or caculatable amount relating to an existing non-repeating number (pi, e, etc) that was NOT generated by a pseudo random number generator, is a pretty good bet, even moreso
15:18 Cprossu but then the password's so complicated that it will be written down
15:19 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: DruidicRifleman on It's not zomb like GR... it's still zombies and nerf guns though
15:19 Cprossu and then you'll just need physical access
15:19 Cprossu or a clever phone call
15:19 Cprossu and the complexity of the password will work against itself as it will be a simple matter of someone reading it verbatim to you.
15:20 eadthem if someone can call you and get your password over the phone     they deserve to have it
15:20 Cprossu Welcome to I.T., eadthem
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15:20 Cprossu why do you think I decided not to pursue that?
15:21 eadthem same reasons i didnt
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15:22 Python hello world !
15:22 Cprossu being the bane of everyone's existance at a company due to their own failures is what I.T. is all about now
15:22 masterofmonks Cprossu: There is also having a moderate enthropy password with padding.
15:24 masterofmonks For example: %%^^x6cf5g4^^s684b6d^^%%
15:25 Obtuse_ python hello_world.sh
15:26 Obtuse_ <Python> hello world !
15:26 masterofmonks I'll grant that it is more easily brute forced than 23 characters of pure enthropy, but at the point they can brute force that you have problems anyway.
15:26 eadthem ile put it this way
15:27 eadthem any system that allows someone to brute force somthing
15:27 masterofmonks You have problems
15:27 eadthem without getting banned every 5 trys or less     password strenght is not the issue
15:27 Cprossu eadthem: if you hack the OS and get the hash tables offline
15:27 eadthem lern to fail2ban
15:27 Cprossu then 5 times is a moot point
15:28 eadthem true
15:28 Cprossu no one actually puts a dictionary hack or any other type on a live system. that's nuts.
15:28 Cprossu other than a script kidde that is
15:29 Cprossu they use their skills to force a hash out of the os for the account they are trying to attack.
15:29 Cprossu then they break the hash locally through brute force or flaws in the encryption
15:30 Cprossu 3 geforce 250's and I'll be able to brute force damn near anything
15:30 Cprossu within a reasonable amount of time, even
15:30 masterofmonks Until the power company reports your power consumption and you get raided for pot production.
15:31 Cprossu that's why I said 3 geforce 250's
15:31 Cprossu those are low power.
15:31 eadthem well if you use AES 256 or 512  and salt it   atleast your going to make them realy work for that password
15:31 Cprossu you're talking less power than using a blender
15:32 Cprossu salting it, I'd use Sha-2
15:32 Cprossu perhaps sha-284
15:32 Cprossu *384
15:32 Cprossu as that's weird enough
15:33 eadthem when i salt passwords i do it in mysql and php  so there gonna need mid level file system acess  and ither root level and exelent mysql file structure knowlage   or  the mysql root password to get teh contents of the stored proceedure
15:33 Cprossu security through obscurity works too.
15:33 tonsofpcs sure, I go to write a post on the forums and chats happen :-p :)
15:33 Cprossu I don't even like using any sql on something I deem to be 'secure'
15:34 masterofmonks http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/05/bitcoin-mining-looks-like-growing-pot-to-the-police/
15:35 Cprossu well they never thought I was growing pot when I did folding@home
15:35 eadthem long as you use fine grained mysql permissions (mulitple accounts for 1 php program)  and make shure everythings santised  thers no reason why sql shuld be insecure
15:35 masterofmonks Cprossu: I have to say that I am a bit skeptical of the whole thing because there is no real confirmation of the report.
15:35 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: i just finally started bitcoining two weeks ago when i decided to shut down my vmware server.... they really don't get the whole TCP port thing....
15:36 masterofmonks However I do know that there was a house that was raided by police for having a little christmas tree under a grow lamp.
15:37 masterofmonks Which I might add is absolutely hilarious to me since it proves that the police in that town were using illegal methods of obtaining a warrant.
15:37 CaptainBoden The pot thing is a myth, I know from experience.
15:38 tonsofpcs if my power company 'ratted me out', I'd have a nice lawsuit going...
15:38 tonsofpcs defamation cases are not the friends of corporations.  They should know this.
15:39 CaptainBoden Cprossu, what's the latest on the console?
15:39 tonsofpcs also, how do I change my signature on the forums?  The settings links take me to a different page entirely than where I initially set my settings....
15:39 Cprossu latest is we just have some config to work out.
15:39 Cprossu frame is booted
15:39 Cprossu surface is talking to frame
15:39 CaptainBoden passing signal?
15:39 Cprossu and I think the reason we aren't passing a signal
15:39 CaptainBoden k
15:39 Cprossu is that steve didn't know what buttons to press
15:40 CaptainBoden lol
15:40 Cprossu there's a 5x5 button matrix
15:40 Cprossu and that's where the outputs were routed
15:40 Cprossu accd to my documentation
15:40 Cprossu CaptainBoden are you at the lab yet?
15:40 CaptainBoden no
15:40 eadthem so i dont get it    with bitcoin you make your own money?  by doing what
15:40 CaptainBoden I'm eating lunch
15:40 tonsofpcs CaptainBoden: some sort of signal appears on the outputs when 'fade' is pressed.  it looks like a black/white transition on the monitor but I think tying some scopes on to see what it really is would be nice
15:41 tonsofpcs Cprossu: do you know what video is hooked into it?
15:41 CaptainBoden He had Cam2 on it last night when I left
15:41 Cprossu tonsofpcs: that was defined in SATTRAN1
15:41 Cprossu as in transitions
15:41 Cprossu so that's what we expect
15:42 tonsofpcs oh, cool
15:42 Cprossu but the thing is the buttons I maped to
15:42 Cprossu are labeled fucking weird
15:42 Cprossu you wouldn't think to press them to enable an output
15:42 Cprossu let's just say that
15:42 CaptainBoden There
15:42 CaptainBoden s some good shots of the console in the latest vlog post
15:42 Cprossu yeah I saw
15:42 Cprossu btw it now does read MDH :)
15:43 Cprossu and also CaptainBoden : http://oi56.tinypic.com/rll5zr.jpg
15:43 Cprossu ^ isn't that cool!
15:43 CaptainBoden lol
15:43 CaptainBoden we can change those easily right?
15:44 Cprossu yes
15:44 CaptainBoden k
15:44 Cprossu it's as easy as changing a live 8kv power line out
15:44 CaptainBoden fuck I wish you were here
15:44 Cprossu (j/k)
15:44 Cprossu I wish I was there too
15:44 tonsofpcs Cprossu: it's that easy? wow! :)
15:44 Cprossu I tried to come out there and plan it but GH5 ain't ready
15:44 CaptainBoden Hey, for some of us, that IS a trivial thing to do.
15:45 Cprossu just like for me this is an easy thing to do
15:45 Cprossu so it was a good comparison!
15:45 CaptainBoden I just wish you were here for this board project, I want to be shooting video on HOW to do all of this.
15:45 Cprossu I would just want to remember it
15:45 Cprossu so much just "name this this, name that that, did it take?!" ok?
15:45 Cprossu the software is GARBAGE
15:46 tonsofpcs CaptainBoden: can you skype (or otherwise pull in) in Cprossu's voice and just shoot (or capture) the screen since he's vnc'd in?  (or even VO it later?)
15:46 Cprossu it's a mixture of vb3 vb5 vb6 visual c, c++, a database engine
15:46 Cprossu no tonsofpcs
15:46 Cprossu I do the configs locally now
15:46 Cprossu because vnc feels painful
15:46 CaptainBoden not yet, we seriously need a computer to composite interface for pro video
15:46 Cprossu and there are like ~900 options or so
15:47 Cprossu CaptainBoden both of the scan converters are borked?
15:47 CaptainBoden I don't know
15:47 CaptainBoden I've been working on the HVL
15:47 Cprossu I bet there's just a setting off on one of them
15:47 CaptainBoden Today's I'm in the machine show
15:47 CaptainBoden We're bringing CNC online today with any luck
15:47 tonsofpcs cool
15:47 Cprossu all I know is I kludge things together and after bashing my head on the keyboard enough times, shit works
15:47 Druidic_Rifleman AWESOME Chris
15:47 Cprossu I'm really good at it
15:48 CaptainBoden btw, if someone wants to be a hero, we DESPERATELY need a GOOD and LARGE air compressor
15:48 Cprossu even if it's a system I never looked at, seen, or otherwise
15:48 Druidic_Rifleman hey CaptainBoden did bad ass ever track down those video cards?
15:48 CaptainBoden no idea
15:48 CaptainBoden I ordered 2 for my home system though
15:48 Cprossu good deal
15:48 Cprossu the 250's?
15:48 CaptainBoden get here Wed I think
15:48 CaptainBoden um, the ones you had on my computer design, $200 a piece
15:48 Cprossu oh lol
15:49 Cprossu each one of those can drive 5-6 monitors with the proper adapters you know
15:49 Druidic_Rifleman ... the 2 nvdia gti or GTX 8800s
15:49 Cprossu Druidic_Rifleman he said they didn't find them
15:49 CaptainBoden I'm starting, piece by piece, to build the new computer, video cards will carry over from this one to the new one
15:49 Druidic_Rifleman Sorry chats garbled
15:49 CaptainBoden ok guys, I'm heading on, later :)
15:49 tonsofpcs CaptainBoden: for the shop (continuous) or for charging pnuematic systems?
15:50 Cprossu we'll see you at the lab
15:50 tonsofpcs later
15:50 Cprossu CaptainBoden at least give us the switcher when you get there
15:50 Cprossu because parkinglot cam and scanner is boring!
16:00 tonsofpcs heh
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16:06 eadthem ok so for this project i need a 5 amp and 15 amp circut breaker  perfferably magnetic   so i was thinking of using a subpanel style breaker because there easy to get and cheep
16:06 eadthem question is witch kind would be the easyist to mount without a subpanel
16:12 tonsofpcs eadthem: why not fuses?
16:12 eadthem its possable
16:12 eadthem with a breaker costing about 5-10$ however  and beaing magnetic type  that would be ideal
16:12 eadthem prob is mounting it
16:12 tonsofpcs I'm assuming that this is just for protection, no?
16:13 eadthem a true panel mount breaker  beaing fast magnetic type would prob run about 30-60$  iirc on digikey
16:13 SparkyProjects You could use a normal MCB like those in your hoyse breaker board, if you get the din rail type and a couple of long bolts you can fix them to a panel from the rear
16:13 SparkyProjects But a neater sulution arre the panel mount breakers, they just need a 12mm round hole for the button, though there's no way to turn them off, just to reset them.
16:13 SparkyProjects Be sure to get a breaker for the voltage you are using, a 110 volt breaker won't go out if running on 12 volts
16:14 eadthem ya its all 120v
16:14 tonsofpcs a fuse holder costs about $0.nil and fuses cost $2 for a 6-pack... and just need a hole to mount.  They also blow a lot faster than breakers and can save equipment.
16:14 eadthem the varac is after the breakers
16:15 * eadthem looks back at the wireing schmatic
16:15 * tonsofpcs wonders what this project is
16:15 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/benchPower.png
16:15 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs, it depends on the fuses, normal ones can blow at 1.5 times the rated current, a breaker normally breaks at 1.2 times
16:16 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: breakers take time to 'failover'.  (fast-blow) fuses blow.
16:17 eadthem the panel mount ones are thermal + magnetic   typicaly having thermal handle up to so much current and magnetic handling instantanius breaking
16:18 eadthem i guess it depends on breaker type but iirc the magetic part dosent kick in till atleast 2x current
16:18 eadthem ore more
16:18 eadthem maby not that much
16:19 SparkyProjects If you run a heavy inductive load it can take out anything too sensitive, even if its run current is well below the rated current of a breaker or fuse
16:19 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Eric Adler on Binghamton, NY Chapter
16:19 tonsofpcs ok, so what is this?
16:19 SparkyProjects You need a little delay when powering up
16:20 eadthem http://products.schneider-electric.us/Products/index.cfm/support/technical-library/?event=detail&amp;oid=0900892680117fff&amp;cat=0b008926800fd695
16:20 SparkyProjects With a good make of breaker you can find a chart that tells you the characteristics
16:20 Cprossu you know
16:20 astro73|derrial ... boden's getting his own ecig flavors?
16:20 Cprossu I was trying to make a thread about how to make a jupiter config file
16:21 tonsofpcs also, with GFCI, you might want to think a bit more about yur grounding and map it out
16:21 Cprossu and I failed
16:21 Cprossu so if I get hit by a bus, I'll just leave a few zips of base config files that can be modified at a later date
16:21 eadthem so it will do  1 to 1.25X for 10000 to 300 seconds
16:21 SparkyProjects astro, most famous people bring out a line of cosmetics or fashion, Boden is bringing out a line in ecig juice :D
16:22 eadthem at 1.5x current it will trip in 100 to 20 seconds
16:22 Cprossu SparkyProjects I think they spiked it with cafeinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111one111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:22 eadthem 2x current 30 to 8 seconds
16:22 tonsofpcs what are those 4x (..) things in the test box?  just sockets?
16:22 Cprossu from the way he talked in that video
16:23 eadthem left1 right1 left2 right2 ?
16:23 eadthem those are neon lamps
16:23 eadthem seamd the safeist way to indicate if its on or not
16:23 Nazca I have a theory that says this piece of shit might actually boot up now
16:23 eadthem or simplist
16:23 tonsofpcs ah
16:23 Cprossu Nazca: which piece of shit?
16:24 tonsofpcs eadthem: so it's just a protected light switch w/gfci?
16:24 eadthem ya kinda
16:24 eadthem the switches are the 2 relays
16:24 eadthem wtich are disabled by door switches
16:24 eadthem its for testing mains power supplys   SMPS and like
16:25 eadthem to remove all temtpation of just quickly moving that oscope lead to check that other wire     without deengerising
16:25 Nazca Cprossu, my computer ... I expanded the raid array and something got "upset" and it has refused to boot properly since
16:25 tonsofpcs ah, ok
16:25 eadthem and to offer some eye safety if something goes south
16:26 tonsofpcs how are you supplying the hot side of the GFCI?
16:27 Nazca since the lappy is here I'll reboot and pray
16:27 eadthem thers a glich the nutral of the LEFT and RIGHT1 neon seamt to be tied to ground as well as common
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16:27 eadthem see center bottom  thats where power comes in via a IEC plug
16:27 tonsofpcs i see that, i don't see how it gets to the load.
16:28 Nazzy my latest theory is that the kernel was some how screwed up, so I've configured and compiled the latest version and I'm hoping it'll boot fine with that
16:28 eadthem then it goes thrue the power switch(something standard like on a clipstrip)   15 amp breaker   and then it Tees off  to go to the main bench outlets  and also to BOX_POWER switch
16:28 Cprossu it happens
16:29 eadthem then from there it goes to the 5AMP breaker  and then to the 2 relays and then to the UUT GFCI
16:29 tonsofpcs oh, i see hw you diagramed it
16:29 tonsofpcs ok
16:29 tonsofpcs anyway, it lookks like you solve your gnd/common problem by removing those joiner dots at the neon lamps
16:29 eadthem ya thats a bug
16:30 Nazzy Cprossu, it's my own fault for not upgrading the kernel before trying to reboot... I did a GCC upgrade and something likely broke in a confusing way
16:30 tonsofpcs (or just route the ground below it -- not crossing -- so it isn't even thought of)
16:30 Cprossu wow
16:30 Nazzy given that it's currently doing a disk check, I'm hopeful it will boot all the way
16:30 Cprossu gcc is a bitch like that
16:30 Cprossu I've done it to myself before
16:30 Cprossu I remember many a times with gentoo
16:30 Cprossu trying to save 15 seconds
16:30 Nazzy yup, it's gentoo :p
16:30 Cprossu and instead making it a day
16:31 * tonsofpcs moved to ubuntu to save himself from fighting for 3 days to configure one minor thing
16:31 Cprossu rofl
16:31 eadthem the idea is everythings GFCI protected     the part of the bench not in the box is alwase on  as is the oscope
16:31 Nazzy it was doing this wonderful thing where the file system and individual disks thought the array was 3.6TB and the actual block device only reported 1.7T
16:31 Cprossu I could never get the refresh rates on my monitors right under gentoo
16:31 eadthem other than the safty stuff for the box its the same thing i have on my current desk
16:31 SparkyProjects eadthem, 2 x 12 volt relays in series may not operate from a 12 volt supply
16:31 Cprossu and fglrx blows donkey balls
16:32 Cprossu and so do nvidia's drivers
16:32 eadthem SparkyProjects  ya ive considerd that    typicaly they will start at 6v and stop at 2V
16:32 eadthem but that may not work that way for a 20A device
16:32 Nazzy 3.76]
16:32 eadthem i have a 12.6 and 18V transformer avalable
16:33 Nazzy 3.6T ext3 file system at 50% full ... bets on how long it will take to fsck?
16:33 SparkyProjects Easier to just wire the coils in parallel
16:33 tonsofpcs eadthem: why two relays?
16:33 eadthem redunancy
16:33 SparkyProjects Relays can arc and stick
16:33 eadthem i tryed to avoid a single point of failure at any 1 point
16:33 Cprossu SparkyProjects: so can transistors when you blow them
16:34 Cprossu ang IGBT's too
16:34 Nazzy tonsofpcs, this is why the ring launcher has a pretty little pokey stick, cause relays can weld closed :p
16:34 eadthem my only issue is  i do not know how to safely check the relays for 1 working 1 shorted without adding a single point of failure
16:34 tonsofpcs Nazzy: pokey stick? you mean a chicken/jesus stick?
16:34 eadthem ie a neon lamp or something but i guess thats prob not a huge issue
16:34 tonsofpcs (fibreglass rod with ground on the end?)
16:35 Nazzy tonsofpcs, no... I mean like a long stick to hit the relay contact so it'll open again
16:35 Nazzy it's in the video somewhere
16:35 tonsofpcs eadthem: run neon lamp in parallel with each relay?
16:35 eadthem i supose
16:35 eadthem no i cant do that
16:35 tonsofpcs alternatively, visual relay inspection?
16:35 Nazzy I need to go get changed ... I've been so busy with this damn raid issue I haven't bothered changing out of my work shirt
16:36 tonsofpcs (use clear-plastic covered relays, put them at the edge of the case so you can see them)
16:36 eadthem i thought of the neon lamp in parlalle thing and it would create parasitic current
16:36 tonsofpcs eadthem: how about a neon-lamp between them?
16:36 eadthem i want this to be safe enuff i can grab the main lugs in the box and not receve even a buzz
16:37 tonsofpcs although that wouldn't tell you for both ... hmm
16:37 Cprossu eadthem: then put a manual disconenct
16:37 eadthem i was thinking i could simply have 2 start swtiches and 2 latch circuts
16:37 Cprossu on it
16:37 tonsofpcs yea, i would put a mannual disconnect for sure
16:37 eadthem BOX_POWER
16:37 Cprossu like a knife switch
16:37 eadthem and 5A_MAGNETIC
16:37 Cprossu a bigass knife switch
16:37 eadthem both are manual disconnect
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16:38 tonsofpcs eadthem: what if you parallel the relays, make the relays normally-grounded, then put a neon lamp between them?
16:38 SparkyProjects So this is for testing PSU's ?
16:38 SparkyProjects Looks like a lot of overkill that can be solved by good safe working practices
16:38 tonsofpcs normally they'll either both be hot or both grounded.  if one is hot and the other grounded, you have current and light
16:38 eadthem SparkyProjects  ya
16:38 eadthem but thats part of the fun of it :p
16:38 * Ponko92 grimaces wide
16:39 pegasus just got a mess of login attempts on the "bin" account.
16:39 Ponko92 hey all :)
16:40 SparkyProjects Personally i would just have a socket (for plugging in the PSU), a light that comes on when energised, and a switch.
16:40 SparkyProjects in over 30 years that's the most i've ever used, and we have 240 here.
16:40 tonsofpcs also, where is the variac in this power supply tester?
16:41 Ponko92 because we brits are hardcore on that stuff ;)
16:41 eadthem not shown  it would be plugged in to the gfci
16:41 eadthem because a gfci may not operate properly if its on the variac
16:41 tonsofpcs does a gfci work with a variac as a load?
16:42 tonsofpcs also, where's the afci?
16:42 eadthem mmm ya thats true  a varaic would defeat the point
16:42 tonsofpcs and how do you test a psu with a ground fault to determine where the ground fault is?
16:42 eadthem dont have a AFCI
16:43 tonsofpcs seems like this could easily be done by mounting a light switch such that when the box is closed, it's pressed on, the box open opens the switch
16:43 tonsofpcs (mechanical interlocks, not electrical)
16:44 Cprossu that's what I was suggesting
16:44 Cprossu or attempting to suggest
16:44 tonsofpcs alternatively, put a bus bar on the lid and use it to complete the circuit (through fingerstock inside that connects across it)
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16:47 eadthem k will a AFCI work across a varaic    or will the transformer filter down the arc noise
16:47 tonsofpcs no clue
16:48 injektion brb
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16:48 tonsofpcs can't you put the afci on the load of the variac?
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16:49 eadthem i doubth that
16:49 eadthem there a smart device
16:49 eadthem prob wouldnt power on at less than 60V
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16:50 eadthem i mean technicaly a transformer only based GFCI shuld work on the load side
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16:56 eadthem thanks for the thoughts guys  i need to mull this over a bit
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17:06 Nazzy fsck is at 21.9%
17:06 Nazzy this could take awhile ¬_¬
17:06 Nazzy time for some gaming goodness
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17:15 astro73|derrial hm. Why does the trigger pulse for a 555 monostable have to be shorter than the generated one? esp since it works on the falling edge
17:15 * Ponko92 has had a great day :)
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17:24 astro73|derrial excuse me, rising edge. Darned reverse logic
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17:24 * Ponko92 is eagerly awaiting the return of batsteve
17:25 tonsofpcs astro73|derrial: from what I understand, it doesn't have to be shorter, it's just useless to generate a shorter pulse than you can input.
17:26 astro73|derrial well, in my case, I want to generate a pulse of a specific length when a rising/falling edge happens, and the length of pulse is quite significant, so it's not useless to me
17:28 astro73|derrial actually, isn't easier to generate a longer pulse than a shorter one?
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17:31 astro73|derrial maybe that's just my software-oriented mind going
17:35 tonsofpcs astro73|derrial: yes, that's the point.  What about a bistable that's reset by an inverted bistable?
17:35 tonsofpcs (that is, the input to the reset contol is an invert of the input to the main)
17:37 astro73|derrial sorry, i'm new to this. I have no idea what you just said
17:38 tonsofpcs astro73|derrial: build a 'truth table' of sorts with signals and what they do and i think you'll get it
17:40 astro73|derrial After #2 is set, it's only reset after setting and resetting #1. But I don't see much use of it?
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17:40 Cprossu so what's been up?
17:40 Cprossu anything happen?
17:42 exor674 mornin wannabe1987
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17:44 Ponko92 hey wannabe1987 :)
17:44 astro73|derrial and on a completely different note, i love how this optical transmitter specsheet has several interface circuits, depending on how fast you want to go
17:44 wannabe1987 Cprossu not much...went home for fathersday.  hi Ponko92, exor674 (its afternoon here)
17:45 Ponko92 good day i am having :P
17:45 wannabe1987 yeah? why...
17:45 wannabe1987 did you ever get up to darbee?
17:45 Ponko92 :( no and the thing passed soo yeah :(
17:45 wannabe1987 awww
17:46 Ponko92 and i was saying i had a good day because i got 10 new scholarship offers
17:47 wannabe1987 yay
17:47 wannabe1987 damn
17:47 wannabe1987 so if i'm the best but i'm not better than my sisters...what am i???
17:48 Ponko92 o_O idk
17:48 wannabe1987 lol
17:48 wannabe1987 9 year old logic for you...
17:49 Ponko92 hmmm
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17:50 Ponko92 ok wannabe need help with tell
17:50 speedrunnerG55 Hi everyone :)
17:50 Ponko92 do i put the name THEN the message or do i put something between it
17:51 speedrunnerG55 Telnet?
17:51 speedrunnerG55 Lol jk
17:51 Ponko92 no speedy lol
17:51 wannabe1987 Ponko92 - botsteve: tell <nick> <message>
17:51 speedrunnerG55 BotSteve: Tell Ponko92 how to tell
17:51 BotSteve speedrunnerG55: I'll pass that on when Ponko92 is around.
17:51 wannabe1987 you need the : in there
17:51 Ponko92 BotSteve: tell BatSteve has very good news indeed to tell you :)
17:51 BotSteve Ponko92: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
17:51 BotSteve Ponko92: I have the following messages for you:
17:51 BotSteve At 17:51Z, speedrunnerG55 asked me to Tell Ponko92 how to tell
17:52 wannabe1987 Ponko92 you failed
17:52 Ponko92 yep
17:52 Ponko92 lol
17:52 wannabe1987 who has good news to tell BatSteve-Away?
17:52 Ponko92 I DO
17:52 wannabe1987 THEN SAY THAT
17:52 Ponko92 lol
17:52 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell batsteve that Ponko92 has good news for him
17:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when batsteve is around.
17:53 Ponko92 BotSteve: tell BatSteve Ponko92 has very good news indeed to tell you :)
17:53 BotSteve Ponko92: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
17:53 wannabe1987 there you go
17:53 speedrunnerG55 Lol
17:53 Ponko92 damn
17:53 wannabe1987 needed another named in there
17:53 wannabe1987 ITS NOT THAT HARD
17:53 speedrunnerG55 Good job Ponko92
17:53 * wannabe1987 claps
17:53 * speedrunnerG55 claps
17:53 Ponko92 i know but i want it perfect and don't patronise me damnit
17:53 wannabe1987 :(
17:53 wannabe1987 poor Ponko92
17:54 wannabe1987 so whats this good news about
17:54 wannabe1987 your football?
17:54 wannabe1987 did any uni in michigan give you scholarships?
17:55 speedrunnerG55 Lol footbal
17:57 wannabe1987 PONKO92 don't stop responding
17:57 Ponko92 yeah the Wolverines did
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18:00 Phu evening all :)
18:00 Ponko92 wannabe1987 University of Michigan offered me one
18:00 wannabe1987 ...
18:00 wannabe1987 YAY
18:00 wannabe1987 go blue
18:01 Ponko92 the Wolves of Ann Arbor
18:01 wannabe1987 my dad wants me to sell his droid for him...anything over 175 i can keep.  wonder  how high i can sell it for...:P
18:02 speedrunnerG55 Blue?
18:02 speedrunnerG55 UK?
18:02 speedrunnerG55 Lol
18:02 wannabe1987 droid 2
18:02 wannabe1987 no
18:02 wannabe1987 UoM in michigan silly
18:02 speedrunnerG55 Lol hehe
18:02 Ponko92 speedy the Blue of Kentucky have offered one for me too
18:03 speedrunnerG55 Lol nice
18:03 speedrunnerG55 My dad went to uk
18:03 Ponko92 if it wasn't for my fiancee and kid i'd get back with my ex she LOVES UK
18:03 speedrunnerG55 Ex!?
18:03 speedrunnerG55 -___-
18:04 Ponko92 if i can turn them into a BCS Championship winners she'd love me more too
18:04 wannabe1987 "01001000 01100101 01111001 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00111111 "
18:05 Ponko92 binary
18:05 Ponko92 why?
18:05 wannabe1987 whats it say?
18:05 wannabe1987 i found a translator
18:05 wannabe1987 i'm really fucking bored
18:05 Ponko92 lol
18:05 astro73|derrial somebody get me the BSD fortune!
18:06 Ponko92 ok list of scholarships thus Far
18:06 speedrunnerG55 wannabe1987: I can translate that
18:06 wannabe1987 cool
18:06 wannabe1987 whats it say?
18:08 speedrunnerG55 Hey can you read this
18:08 wannabe1987 :)
18:08 speedrunnerG55 Thats ascii yes?
18:09 wannabe1987 i don't know ascii...
18:09 speedrunnerG55 If so Just break down each letter into froups of four then get the hed. Then use the look up table and see waht it is
18:09 wannabe1987 i odn' tknow what it is
18:11 Ponko92 here it is wannabe1987 Akron, Alabama at Birmingham, UoAZ, Arkansas, Boise State, Colorado (Boulder), East Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Kent State, Kentucky, Louisiana Tech, Miami (Oxford, Ohio), U of Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oregon, Southern Mississippi, Washington, Wisconsin-Madison & Wyoming
18:11 wannabe1987 o.o
18:11 speedrunnerG55 And i used a translator too
18:11 Ponko92 ALL public
18:11 wannabe1987 coooooooooool
18:11 speedrunnerG55 The difference is im on a phone
18:12 Ponko92 might need more help from batsteve aswell AND self researcg
18:13 wannabe1987 yeah?
18:13 wannabe1987 help as to what?
18:13 Ponko92 which one to go to
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18:14 wannabe1987 uofmi...duh
18:15 Phu that does appear to the ASCII.
18:15 Phu The first letter is H, and the fourth character is a space
18:15 Ponko92 yeah without the bias wannabe lol
18:15 hubzcaps 4 days ago around 8 pm..i was on this chat and my poor dv6809wm laptop blew its graphics chipset....OR.... i got hit with a serious web asult
18:16 wannabe1987 i dont give a damn about sports.  what do you want to do besides sports?
18:16 wannabe1987 gonna bring the girl over too?
18:16 Phu but my ascii knowledge fails me for lower case :P
18:16 Ponko92 idk its her choice
18:17 hubzcaps stick your tounge on that 3 phase hotness
18:18 hubzcaps damn that kid steve is impresive with that console...knows more tahtn me
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18:19 Ponko92 speedy where do YOU think i should go
18:20 hubzcaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAg0kvOQiPU&amp;feature=feedlik    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
18:22 tonsofpcs Cprossu: did you get in?
18:22 tonsofpcs *loads stream*
18:23 Cprossu no was I supposed to?
18:23 Cprossu @ tonsofpcs
18:23 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I thought you were configuring some more?
18:23 Cprossu when someone lets me in I will
18:23 tonsofpcs right, that's what i was asking if it happened yet
18:24 Ponko92 he doesn't have a key remember
18:24 Cprossu rofl
18:24 Cprossu no
18:24 Cprossu I need to electronically be let in
18:24 Cprossu because it's behind a piece of shit NAT
18:24 exor674 ew nat
18:24 Cprossu no I mean a piece of SHIT nat
18:24 Cprossu not a good one
18:25 Ponko92 metaphoricallt speaking thats kind of true though Cprossu
18:25 Ponko92 metaphorically*
18:26 Cprossu they are using the 'router' built into the cable modem
18:28 exor674 ugh those builtin things suck
18:28 Cprossu if I was there I'd have that shit fixed in 5 minutes.
18:29 Cprossu perhaps 7 if I had to go kludge a computer together
18:29 exor674 I really love having an externally routable on my desktop though, isntead of NAT
18:30 Cprossu I do not
18:30 exor674 gotta love being able to reboot the router box and still have your connections open
18:30 Cprossu I like my windows boxes not to be attacked externally
18:31 Phu Cprossu: preference for internet/DSL routing: router or Linux Box?
18:31 exor674 Cprossu: well, I still have it firewalled at the router level :P
18:31 Cprossu linux box.
18:31 exor674 linux box!
18:31 Cprossu hands down.
18:31 * Phu shakes Cprossu's hand
18:31 Cprossu and for wifi, use things you can hack linux on and disable the dhcp server so you can use it as a bridge
18:31 Phu so many people tell me my PPPoE linux box router is overkill...
18:31 Cprossu it's not.
18:31 Phu and yet it works so much better than any router I've ever used.
18:32 Cprossu I wouldn't build a network without any linux in the front of it
18:32 Cprossu I'm just glad I can buy cheapo linksys's and dump dd-wrt on them
18:32 Phu it also allows me to use my ISP's native IPv6 :)
18:32 Cprossu the users' won't ever know the difference!
18:32 Cprossu other than their routers don't crash
18:32 Phu well, they might ask why your networks never go down when theirs do...
18:32 Cprossu like all their neighbors do
18:33 astro73|derrial out of curiosity, if you use a linux box for routing, do you hook in a switch for actual switching or just use a lot of NICs?
18:33 Cprossu I have 4 nics on mine
18:33 hubzcaps <switchin gear
18:33 Cprossu actually 3 on the production one
18:33 Cprossu and I've upgraded my swichgear to gigabit
18:33 Phu I try to use separate NICs. My current box (Q.StarFleet-net.co.uk) uses one onboard (the ADSL side) and one 100Mbps NIC (network side).
18:34 Cprossu I haven't put in my new ipcop box yet
18:34 Phu *BUT* an earlier box used an SGI Indy with only one built in NIC. This worked because the ADSL side is PPPoE so the two traffic streams don't see each other :)
18:34 Cprossu because I haven't gotten it where I wanted it
18:34 hubzcaps i gots fiberline gigabit switch mode 2 fiber
18:34 hubzcaps HP procurve
18:34 Cprossu oh god
18:34 Cprossu I hate procurves
18:34 hubzcaps and why so??
18:34 hubzcaps hard to manage?
18:34 * Cprossu hides under a rock *is it safe?*
18:34 Phu they have a tendency to be shit
18:35 Phu sometimes you get a good one
18:35 Cprossu no they have a tendency to reboot on high traffic
18:35 hubzcaps 2425 pro curve  is what i use
18:35 Cprossu and at my college
18:35 Phu Cprossu: reboot or just plain fail to packet forward.
18:35 Cprossu we bought 150 procurves
18:35 Cprossu 9 were DOA
18:36 Phu ouch
18:36 Cprossu once we got the network going
18:36 Cprossu the WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THEM
18:36 Cprossu was to go G
18:36 Cprossu we put them in G mode
18:36 Cprossu they'd pass about a gig of data and freeze
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18:36 Phu so whats your preferred switch vendor?
18:36 Cprossu and by freeze I mean freeze solid
18:37 Cprossu well actually netgear's unmanaged pro stuff
18:37 Cprossu kicks ass
18:37 Phu I concur
18:37 Phu the netgear switches we got at work... just work.
18:37 Cprossu yeah I poo-poo ed mine because they were cheap for 24 porters
18:37 Cprossu but they just worked
18:37 Phu the procurves are always suspect on the other hand
18:37 Cprossu never complained!
18:37 hubzcaps managed switch yo!!!
18:37 Cprossu so I started installing them everywhere
18:38 Cprossu and not even one has ever let me down
18:38 Phu my home network is all connected together with cheap-ass "Mentor" 8-port switches. They work brilliantly.
18:38 Cprossu they use almost no power too
18:38 Phu 5 years and none have died or slowed down or any crap.
18:38 Cprossu my "first" real network was cabletron gear
18:38 Cprossu at my house
18:38 Cprossu that stuff kicked tail
18:39 Cprossu then I moved to bay networks equipment
18:39 Cprossu which if you configured correctly were solid as a rock
18:39 Cprossu but don't config it just right and ports would drop out
18:39 Phu I got a 16-port bay networks hub that works rather well (for a hub)
18:39 Cprossu I have a centillion with 80 ports
18:39 Phu thats a lotta network
18:40 Cprossu http://images02.olx.com.pk/ui/9/23/82/1287653131_130772182_1-Pictures-of--Bay-Networks-Centillion-100port-ATM-Speed100Mbps-Original-Switch-1287653131.jpg
18:40 Cprossu it's a killer switch too
18:40 Cprossu it uses a lot of power though
18:41 hubzcaps oooh more pictures
18:41 Cprossu http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/N100-1630-a1.JPG
18:41 Cprossu ^ I installed these everywhere
18:41 Cprossu never failed.
18:42 Cprossu uses around 8 watts
18:42 Cprossu that's it
18:42 hubzcaps i want a pic of that 80 port centilion
18:42 Cprossu hubzcaps: take away one module
18:42 Phu damn... network pr0n
18:42 Cprossu they are hot swapable
18:43 Cprossu http://images02.olx.com.pk/ui/9/23/82/1287653131_130772182_1-Pictures-of--Bay-Networks-Centillion-100port-ATM-Speed100Mbps-Original-Switch-1287653131.jpg
18:43 Cprossu ^ hubzcaps
18:43 Cprossu take away one of the 20 port modules
18:43 wannabe1987 speedrunnerG55 is hexidecimal a language you cna use letters for or just numbers
18:44 * Ponko92 is tired and gonna take a nap
18:44 Cprossu hubzcaps : I love that switch
18:44 speedrunnerG55 Ask Cprossu lol
18:44 wannabe1987 night Ponko92
18:44 Cprossu lol 0-15(F), base 16
18:44 wannabe1987 Cprossu is hexidecimal a language you cna use letters for or just numbers
18:44 Cprossu and it's called machine language
18:44 Cprossu no wannabe1987
18:45 wannabe1987 ??
18:45 Ponko92 i'm going to bed wannabe just a nap
18:45 Cprossu there are no hexidecimal letters in my screename oddly enough
18:45 wannabe1987 Ponko92 same thing
18:45 wannabe1987 Cprossu lol
18:45 Ponko92 but i'll be on later lol
18:45 wannabe1987 ok
18:46 wannabe1987 :)
18:47 Cprossu 43 50 52 4f 53 53 55
18:47 wannabe1987 o.O
18:47 Cprossu wannabe1987: http://www.asciitable.com/
18:48 speedrunnerG55 Hex is 0-f
18:48 wannabe1987 lol
18:48 Cprossu hence 15 is F
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18:49 Cprossu I wrote it in relation to base 10
18:49 wannabe1987 good
18:49 speedrunnerG55 F is 1111 in bin
18:50 Cprossu therefor FF is 11111111 , etc
18:50 Phu 0xBADCAFE 0xBADF00D 0xBADC0FFEE 0xDEADBEEF
18:50 Phu fun with hex ;)
18:50 speedrunnerG55 ?
18:51 Cprossu error, 0xBADC0FFEE is not an octal.
18:51 speedrunnerG55 Lol
18:51 Cprossu or 7 bits
18:51 Cprossu rather
18:51 Phu octal? 0x = hex prefix in C/C++
18:51 Cprossu 0xBADCAFE 0xBADF00D are fine if they are 0xBADCAFE0 0xBADF00D0
18:51 speedrunnerG55 So whenever you type in hex you need 0x in front of t?
18:52 speedrunnerG55 Ohhhh
18:52 Phu oh forgive me for my digit count not being a power of 2 :P
18:52 Cprossu no
18:52 Cprossu lol
18:52 speedrunnerG55 Drat
18:52 Phu speedrunnerG55: only if you're using C or C++ (or their derivatives)
18:52 speedrunnerG55 Oh
18:52 speedrunnerG55 Im used to sub 16
18:52 Phu on the BBC Micro you use &, on the Commodore 64 you use $
18:52 * wannabe1987 is lost. speedrunnerG55 help!!!!!
18:53 Phu on the old 8086 and Z80 debuggers you use h as a suffix, e.g. FF00h
18:53 Phu every environment is different  ;)
18:53 speedrunnerG55 ..........
18:53 speedrunnerG55 As cpr
18:53 speedrunnerG55 Ask Cprossu or BatSteve
18:54 wannabe1987 ask?  no thanks
18:54 speedrunnerG55 Ask this old house
18:54 Cprossu 0xADEADBED
18:54 wannabe1987 deadbedZ
18:54 wannabe1987 ?*
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18:54 speedrunnerG55 Sould i figure that out?
18:55 Cprossu no
18:55 speedrunnerG55 ... Ok
18:55 hubzcaps ohhhh yhea...enterprise grade switch online!!!!
18:55 * Phu renames wannabe1987  to wannabe7C3h
18:55 wannabe1987 ...
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18:55 Phu 1987 decimal = 7C3 hexadecimal
18:56 speedrunnerG55 Lol
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18:56 speedrunnerG55 How do u go from dec to hex?
18:56 hubzcaps HP J4131A  gigabit tranciever  on master switch node  2524 pro curve...bandwidth test in progress!!!
18:56 speedrunnerG55 Id go from dec to bin yo
18:57 speedrunnerG55 To hex
18:57 Phu speedrunnerG55: using calculator :P
18:57 Cprossu I liked HP's 10 meg gear
18:57 Cprossu it was nice
18:57 speedrunnerG55 Darn you cheater
18:57 hubzcaps loud fucker though..
18:57 Cprossu mine is not
18:57 hubzcaps its suposed to be ina  rack
18:57 speedrunnerG55 Go from dec to bin abd then to hex
18:57 speedrunnerG55 And
18:57 Cprossu my 36 port hp 10 megger
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18:58 Cprossu has a PAPST fan
18:58 Cprossu nice and quiet
18:58 Phu though if you go via powers of 2, 1987 = 1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 2 + 1, = 0111 1100 0011 = 7 C (12) 3.
18:58 wannabe1987 omg MATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:58 speedrunnerG55 wannabe1987: Hex is a shorthand for binary
18:59 wannabe1987 orly
18:59 Phu sort of
18:59 Cprossu yes
18:59 speedrunnerG55 Each hex letter represents 4 binary bits
18:59 Cprossu FF beats writing 11111111
18:59 speedrunnerG55 Lol ye
19:00 speedrunnerG55 55= 01010101
19:00 Phu and AA = 10101010
19:00 speedrunnerG55 :D
19:01 Phu ah the old 8-bit cross-hatch pattern 170,85,170,85,170,85,170,85 (or AA,55,AA,55,AA,55,AA,55)
19:02 speedrunnerG55 ?!
19:02 Phu never done that speed?
19:02 speedrunnerG55 Ni
19:02 speedrunnerG55 No
19:02 Phu programmed an 8x8 bit cross-hatch character pattern by alterning 10101010 and 01010101
19:02 speedrunnerG55 What does that do?
19:03 Phu well if you use it for a character definition, you end up with a character that looks like a very small chess board
19:03 Phu fill the screen with them and you get an effective "grey"
19:03 * Phu passes speedrunnerG55 a ZX Spectrum, stat
19:03 speedrunnerG55 Charicter definition?
19:03 * Phu shakes head
19:03 speedrunnerG55 Zx spectrum?
19:04 * speedrunnerG55 accululating new knowlage
19:04 Phu ok.. in the old 8-bit days, before true type fonts the text was displayed by copied bit patterns from character definitions to the screen
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19:04 Phu so each letter, number, symbol, etc had 8 bytes defining an 8x8 grid of "off" or "on" pixels to define a character
19:05 speedrunnerG55 O_o
19:05 speedrunnerG55 So 8 8 bit registers
19:05 Phu on most systems you could redefine them to taste. A common one was to use alternating bit patterns (the "checkerboard" pattern) to produce 50% on, and 50% off pixels that would approximate a grey when shown on screen
19:05 Phu sort of, except using memory rather than registers.
19:06 Phu and a ZX Spectrum is an example of an old 8-bit computer that can do all this :P
19:06 speedrunnerG55 And do something like 10011001?
19:07 Phu you could do, yes.
19:07 Cprossu_Laptop speedrunnerG55: download a c65 emulator, run it, and start playing
19:07 Cprossu_Laptop *c64
19:07 Cprossu_Laptop lol fail.
19:08 Phu so (forgive the flooding) this is the bit pattern for the letter A on most 8-bit systems:
19:08 Cprossu_Laptop if you can drive a 6502 you can drive anything
19:08 Phu 00000000
19:08 Phu 00111100
19:08 Phu 01000010
19:08 Phu 01000010
19:08 Phu 01111110
19:08 Phu 01000010
19:08 Phu 01000010
19:08 Phu 00000000
19:08 wannabe1987 6502?
19:08 Phu 6502 is an 8-bit processor made by MOS Technologies.
19:09 Cprossu_Laptop remember some scancodes are 4 bit though and ascii and ebsidic and who knows
19:09 wannabe1987 o. he said drive
19:09 Cprossu_Laptop it differs from system to system
19:09 Phu used on the CBM PET series, VIC-20, C64, C128, BBC Micro, Game Boy, Nintendo Entertainment System
19:09 Cprossu_Laptop *epcidic
19:09 Phu and a number of others.
19:09 Cprossu_Laptop whatever
19:09 Cprossu_Laptop you forgot appleII
19:10 Phu and the Apple I, ][, ][c, ///, ][gs, etc.
19:10 Cprossu_Laptop though you _could_ have uses a 6800 in an appleI
19:10 Cprossu_Laptop *used
19:10 Cprossu_Laptop he provided the proper pinout instructions
19:10 Cprossu_Laptop because woz was badass
19:12 Cprossu_Laptop Phu : http://www.applefritter.com/files/images//6800-2737_0.jpg
19:12 Cprossu_Laptop ^ example of woz being baddass
19:12 * Phu is familiar wit the Woz and the badassesness.
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19:13 Phu though Sinclair did the ultimate in optimising.... the home computer with full programming language using only 4 chips and selling for �79 in 1981.
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19:14 Cprossu_Laptop the disk][ controller was another one of his badasseries too
19:14 Phu I hear Woz optimised half the chips out of the disk][
19:14 Phu "this isn't needed..... I can do tha tin software..... don't need that.... thats just luxury....."
19:14 Phu etc.
19:15 Cprossu_Laptop http://www.old-computers.com/history/images/Timeline_0178_DiskII_1.jpg
19:15 Cprossu_Laptop ^ Phu
19:15 Cprossu_Laptop ahahahahaha
19:15 Phu yeah... thats pretty smaller for 1970s standards.
19:16 Cprossu_Laptop teeny tiny
19:16 Cprossu_Laptop and it did 2 drives
19:17 Cprossu_Laptop it also provided power to the drives
19:17 Phu I think Woz got it down to some glue logic, a couple stepper drivers and a data separator by the time he was done. Did the rest in software using incredibly tight timing.
19:18 Cprossu_Laptop all I know is he's done more with fewer parts faster than anyone else at the time
19:18 Cprossu_Laptop because he looked at solutions in a 'this is what the fucking computer is for' approach to it
19:18 Cprossu_Laptop you know?
19:19 Cprossu_Laptop and his programming was top notch too
19:19 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: lwq1996 on First light....for real this time......astro73 on Project Log: Large HVL Voltage Display
19:19 Phu absolutely
19:19 * Phu respects the Woz.
19:20 Cprossu_Laptop hopefully I can get his autograph...inside the lid of one of my appleIIgs's... where it counts!
19:20 Phu lol
19:21 Cprossu_Laptop oh the printed woz edition, nah that's not the real woz signature, the real one is *pops top off* right here.
19:21 Cprossu_Laptop I have 2 IIgs's
19:21 Cprossu_Laptop one is hacked to hell
19:21 Cprossu_Laptop and is awesome
19:22 Cprossu_Laptop I think that one has like 10mb of ram or so
19:22 Cprossu_Laptop and a st-225n scsi hdd
19:22 Cprossu_Laptop cmi scsi card
19:22 Phu we have a ][gs at the computer museum, even including the monitor and 3 disk drives. All American too, so we have to run it off a 240->110 converter ;)
19:22 Cprossu_Laptop a video cap card, midi in/out
19:22 Cprossu_Laptop nice.
19:23 Cprossu_Laptop I have a 5 1/4, 3 1/2, and a mac CD CADDY drive for my IIGS
19:23 Cprossu_Laptop I think it also has a video overlay board
19:23 Cprossu_Laptop and a few cool things
19:23 Cprossu_Laptop it does not have a pc transporter card though
19:23 Cprossu_Laptop but all the slots are packed full
19:26 Phu *nod*
19:26 Phu I think we scared everyone else off with our geekery
19:30 astro73|derrial impossible
19:30 Cprossu_Laptop lol
19:31 * SparkyProjects was doing my own geekery :P
19:31 * astro73|derrial was also
19:31 Cprossu_Laptop applied engineering was such a cool company
19:32 wannabe1987 i found a pokemon ball in the dog toy basket
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19:36 egrsteve morning all
19:36 kingofmetal hellow everyone
19:37 wannabe1987 hi egrsteve
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19:38 egrsteve_ hi wannabe
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19:47 Cprossu_Laptop hey egrsteve
19:48 egrsteve hello cprossu
19:48 Cprossu_Laptop I found something interesting
19:48 egrsteve what did you find
19:48 Cprossu_Laptop you know that 5x5 array of buttons?
19:48 Cprossu_Laptop on the saturn?
19:48 Cprossu_Laptop I think that's where the outputs might be routed
19:48 Cprossu_Laptop also I came up with a myriad of stuff to try
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop once I can config again
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop I put it all in a BotSteve tell command
19:49 egrsteve the 5x5 is used for several things
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop so when tggmc comes in and speaks
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop I can figure it out
19:49 egrsteve it can enter timer/clock values
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop the buttons are physically bound in the output mode
19:49 egrsteve as well as move stuff into the main buttons on the bottom
19:49 Cprossu_Laptop as they go from 1 to 20
19:50 hubzcaps wohooo
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop 12345
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop 678910
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop all the way to 20
19:50 egrsteve ok
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop despite whatever number is on them
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop I'll show you this when you get to the lab
19:50 hubzcaps hey is that steve  the dude who fixd master controll console??????????
19:50 hubzcaps egrsteve?
19:50 Cprossu_Laptop also I forgot to add the PC to the network
19:50 egrsteve so to place a source in the control bus, you select a catagory then a number
19:51 Cprossu_Laptop egrsteve = AV steve
19:51 egrsteve yes, same steve
19:51 hubzcaps lol
19:51 hubzcaps guess so
19:51 hubzcaps you rock man
19:51 hubzcaps smarts a plenty
19:51 egrsteve thanks, A lot of this has been Cprossu getting the config setup right
19:52 Cprossu_Laptop thanks egrsteve! :) It's been an adventure to say the least
19:52 egrsteve that it has
19:53 Cprossu_Laptop but yeah I have a list of stuff I am eager to test out
19:54 egrsteve ok may head into the lab in a bit to take a look at the CNC stuff, if I do I can let you into the VNC
19:55 Cprossu_Laptop too bad I am not there physically
19:55 Cprossu_Laptop I could get that network thing squared away in like 5 minutes
19:55 egrsteve I know, it would be much easier
19:56 Cprossu_Laptop I could also set up a linux box, diable the router part of that combo unit set it to straight through and you guys wouldn't have router 'time of the months' every single day
19:56 Cprossu_Laptop man that thing's a piece of crap =(
19:57 egrsteve that the router is, that would be a captain thing
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19:58 Obtuse_ what state are you in Cprossu?
19:59 Cprossu_Laptop AZ
19:59 Obtuse_ aww damn
19:59 Cprossu_Laptop it makes it kind of difficult
19:59 Cprossu_Laptop so at best I'd need a place to stay in MI for a while
19:59 Cprossu_Laptop I was thinking of spending a month down there
20:00 Cprossu_Laptop as I can manage the airline tickets
20:01 Ponko_napping is now known as Ponko92
20:01 Ponko92 i'm awake
20:02 Ponko92 ooo baseball is on
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20:04 Cprossu_Laptop however the $600-$700 for board I'd have to pay plus tranportation could be better spent on donations or equipment I'd buy to donate.
20:05 Cprossu_Laptop at least that's my view on it, Obtuse_ and egrsteve
20:06 injektion I was planning on attempting to travel there next week but that isn't going to happen
20:07 Ponko92 were we talking about Comcast yesterday?
20:07 injektion I'd donate but due to moral reasoning I cannot use paypal
20:08 Cprossu_Laptop yes it sucks but the major problem at tgg is not comcast but the shit tacular modem/router combo that they got stuck with using
20:08 Ponko92 well the baseball game is on Comcast Sports Net lol
20:08 Ponko92 they sound like Talk Talk
20:09 Cprossu_Laptop what they need to do is disable the router end of it making it into a 'straight cable modem' and attach a linux box to that
20:09 Cprossu_Laptop with 2 100mb intel nics
20:09 injektion Or a FreeBSD box
20:09 Cprossu_Laptop or something else reliable
20:09 Ponko92 that would work
20:09 Cprossu_Laptop and I'd do it in 2 seconds if I were there
20:09 injektion pfsense is full of win
20:10 Cprossu_Laptop because the config they currently has is bullshit.
20:10 Cprossu_Laptop *have
20:10 Cprossu_Laptop lol
20:10 Ponko92 well it'll go in the not to distant future
20:10 Cprossu_Laptop irc maks you spel and grammar gud.
20:10 Cprossu_Laptop srsly.
20:11 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: I'm loving my RouterBoard RB450Gs at home and at work.  The gigabit model w/ extra ram is probably overkill for them, but it's highly configurable and can handle monitoring and probing of the entire network(s)
20:11 Cprossu_Laptop I feel like I've lost like 50IQ sometimes
20:13 Cprossu_Laptop do you have any experience with imagestream?
20:13 Cprossu_Laptop because I remember meeting the owner
20:13 Cprossu_Laptop and being interested in his products
20:14 Cprossu_Laptop brb
20:14 injektion I really wanted to go but I don't think the topaz could make it there and back
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20:16 injektion It can barely get me the 16 miles to work every day
20:16 Ponko92 noooo STEVE O_O
20:18 speedrunnerG55 Hi
20:19 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 4 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: astro73 on Project Log: Large HVL Voltage Display.....jaaz95 on First light....for real this time......egrsteve on Project Log: Large HVL Voltage Display.....Sparky Projects on Project Log: Large HVL Voltage Display
20:19 injektion The engine consumes/leaks a massive amount of oil, the transmission clunks when it changes gear, the air conditioning is broken, turn signals do not work
20:20 speedrunnerG55 Sory i kinda left you phu
20:20 Ponko92 speedy
20:20 Ponko92 :)
20:20 injektion There is also an annoying amount of torque steer
20:22 speedrunnerG55 Hi Ponko92
20:22 Ponko92 hey mate :)
20:23 tonsofpcs Cprossu_Laptop: iirc, I was looking at IS when I was searching for stuff for work and the RBs were more cost-effective
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20:26 tonsofpcs the RB750 is $40 now, it's EOL'd though (as of like this past week) so once they're gone, they're gone.
20:27 speedrunnerG55 Why are you all smilley? :)
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20:28 Python Hello World
20:28 Cprossu tonsofpcs: the owner of the company let me take his stuff apart at his interop booth
20:28 Cprossu just to look at the components he used
20:28 Cprossu very cool.
20:29 Cprossu he knew too every single chip in his routers, where they were sourced, what problems they had with them in the past
20:29 Cprossu was just very fucking cool dude
20:30 Cprossu we wasn't afraid of any 'proprietary' information
20:30 Cprossu cost effective means nothing to the networks I've been asked to help build before
20:32 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I'm using an RB450G for network segmentation and rate shaping.  The next closest thing in price was about a $50k solution and could only handle 10Mbit... our connection is 15Mbit synchronous.
20:32 Ponko92 well speedy in my game i went 23/23 for 431 Yards and 3 TDs with a rating of 158.3 :D
20:33 Ponko92 no wait 6 TDs
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20:35 astro73|derrial ok, i'd like to point out how incredibly useful the hackaday forums are. They are helping me out a ton
20:36 tonsofpcs sure, I had to spend about 3 days learning the RouterOS stuff, but we had a month to get it done.  The biggest issue I had was I had to pull two new cat6 runs between rooms since we put the RBs in a different place than we would have put the other solution :-p
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20:38 Cprossu_Netbook watching drag racing brought a netbook along
20:38 tonsofpcs (the only reason it took 3 days is I dug into things that I couldn't find anyone who had touched before ;)
20:38 Cprossu_Netbook (on our big tv)
20:38 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you should have brought a video came... oh
20:38 Ponko92 Cprossu you're the IRC's Roger Hoy
20:39 * tonsofpcs is watching random stuff on the big screen
20:39 Cprossu_Netbook .w roger hoy
20:39 BotSteve "The 1972–73 season was Cardiff City F.C.'s 46th season in the Football League." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972%E2%80%9373_Cardiff_City_F.C._season
20:39 Cprossu_Netbook I don't catch the reference
20:39 Ponko92 well my dad and Luton fans used to sing
20:40 Ponko92 He's here he's there he's every FU*KING where Roger Hoy
20:40 Cprossu_Netbook and wikipedia didn't either lol
20:40 Cprossu_Netbook haha
20:40 Ponko92 but they had to change it to
20:40 Phu Ponko92: are you suggesting cprossu is somewhat omniscient and omnipresent ?
20:40 hubzcaps hahaha im maxing out the data throughput on my switch
20:40 hubzcaps gotta love it
20:40 Ponko92 a little yes
20:40 Ponko92 anyway
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20:40 tonsofpcs my next project (after the kitchen reconfiguration) is to redo the equipment 'tower' in here and get the projecter better mounted
20:40 Phu wb tggmc
20:40 Ponko92 they changed it to
20:41 Cprossu_Netbook hey tggmc
20:41 Cprossu_Netbook on a netbook right now
20:41 hubzcaps master control
20:41 Ponko92 He's here he's there we're not allowed to sware Roger Hoy
20:41 Phu lol
20:41 Cprossu_Netbook and i do not have the stream up
20:41 Cprossu_Netbook so hang on
20:41 Ponko92 because people complained lol
20:41 Ponko92 and thats the Reference for you Cprossu?
20:41 tonsofpcs is someone on the stream now?
20:42 * tonsofpcs hears scanner
20:42 Phu tonsofpcs: not unless you count GRPD
20:42 Ponko92 steve is there
20:42 masterofmonks Take that Madagascar!
20:42 masterofmonks http://www.flickr.com/photos/11667297@N03/5850294030/in/photostream
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20:44 Cprossu_Netbook .log
20:44 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
20:44 Ponko92 tggmc you a UofMI Wolves fan?
20:45 speedrunnerG55 So Ponko92 you are an all star?
20:46 Ponko92 umm not yet
20:46 Phu this evening, I am mostly using a DOS box to transfer Commodore 64 disk images to actual 5.25" disks before copying them on my C64 CF card.
20:46 speedrunnerG55 Hey now your an all star
20:46 tonsofpcs Phu: C64 CF card?
20:46 speedrunnerG55 Ponko92:
20:46 speedrunnerG55 Watch this
20:46 Ponko92 lol why and how o_O lol
20:46 Phu tonsofpcs: CompactFlash card, connected to an IDE adapter, connected to a C64 IDE interface.
20:46 tonsofpcs There's a C64 IDE interface?!?!?
20:46 speedrunnerG55 .yt dman allstar
20:46 BotSteve speedrunnerG55: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw41JEqUDJs
20:46 speedrunnerG55 Watch that Ponko92
20:47 Ponko92 ok
20:47 tonsofpcs how the heck do you address that? issue a load command that sets a pointer then another to actually load?
20:47 Ponko92 watching now
20:47 Ponko92 i LOVE that song lol
20:47 Ponko92 is that you btw
20:48 Phu .g IEC ATA
20:48 BotSteve Phu: http://www.djupdal.org/cbm/iecata/
20:48 speedrunnerG55 No. Its denis
20:48 tonsofpcs also, i have *boxes* of isks for C=64
20:48 Phu ^ tonsofpcs
20:48 speedrunnerG55 I know him from highschiol
20:48 speedrunnerG55 School
20:48 Ponko92 ahh lol  does THAT make ME an all star
20:48 speedrunnerG55 Want to hear me?
20:48 * tonsofpcs clicks
20:49 Ponko92 man he a mate of yours?
20:49 speedrunnerG55 .yt the legend of doug
20:49 BotSteve speedrunnerG55: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HNaktG0UvA
20:49 Ponko92 damn is he a friend of yours?
20:49 speedrunnerG55 Thts not me
20:49 speedrunnerG55 Yes he is
20:50 tonsofpcs interesting
20:50 tonsofpcs didn't know the C=64 supported DIRs
20:50 Ponko92 lol well i can't say what i think of that but he kinda killed that song
20:50 Ponko92 lol
20:51 Ponko92 is that you singing in LoD
20:51 Phu tonsofpcs: it doesn't. The C64 passes all file commands to the disk drive which has its own processor.
20:51 tonsofpcs oh, interesting
20:51 speedrunnerG55 No thats not me
20:51 Phu on the original 1541 drive, it doesn't recognised subdirectories. But the firmware in the MCU of the IEC-ATA oes support subdirs.
20:51 Ponko92 ah ok
20:52 speedrunnerG55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTZR8R0R5U&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
20:52 speedrunnerG55 Thats me
20:52 tonsofpcs so you LOAD something that puts you in direct communication mode?
20:52 Phu nope
20:52 Cprossu_Netbook wow I have to do something freaky now
20:52 Phu you plug it in and use it like a normal 1541 floppy drive
20:52 tonsofpcs or does @ always go to the drive?
20:52 Phu LOAD"FILENAME",8
20:52 tonsofpcs right
20:53 Ponko92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII thats what i'm talking bout speedy
20:53 * tonsofpcs needs one of these things
20:53 Phu you can open a channel to send commands that C64 BASIC doesn't know about, e.g. OPEN 1,8,15,"CD:SUBDIR":CLOSE1 will change directories.
20:53 Ponko92 speedrunnerG55 you in Kentucky?
20:53 speedrunnerG55 No
20:53 tonsofpcs ah, ok
20:53 Ponko92 ah ok
20:53 speedrunnerG55 IM IN NEWJERSEY
20:53 speedrunnerG55 lol
20:53 tonsofpcs I just saw the @CD:SUBDIR thing on the pics on that page
20:54 Ponko92 well if you were in KY i'd of asked you to get my ex to get her butt on skype lol
20:54 masterofmonks speedrunnerG55: there was a South Park episode about New Jersey...
20:54 Phu ah... you can load a DOS to make commands easier if you really want to, but its not necessary.
20:54 Cprossu_Netbook tggmc :
20:54 Cprossu_Netbook I need you to run a blanking signal
20:54 Cprossu_Netbook to the MCC--3500
20:55 speedrunnerG55 masterofmonks: Did you say annything after "..."?
20:55 masterofmonks Nope.
20:55 speedrunnerG55 There is this wierd dark are i havt seen before
20:55 speedrunnerG55 Ill screen shot this
20:56 speedrunnerG55 Saved it
20:56 tonsofpcs for testing, i'd run (color) blackburst to REF, 1, and 15; run colorbars timed to it to 2 and 14; run a camera through a TBC timed to it (or a cam with genlock) to 3 and 13, run blackburst to the remainder
20:56 Ponko92 phu you like Not Poddles
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20:56 tonsofpcs (unless you have a good DA system, then DA colorbars to the remainder)
20:57 Phu Ponko92: on occasion
20:58 Ponko92 i'm eating 2 BBBs
20:58 Phu now thats not fair
20:58 Phu I'm hungry now :(
20:58 Ponko92 lol
20:58 speedrunnerG55 Time to purtchas loz ocarina of time :D
20:59 Ponko92 they're out of date btw
20:59 speedrunnerG55 Got it :D
20:59 Phu yeah, but Pot Noodle last for millenia
20:59 Ponko92 for?
20:59 Ponko92 lol thats true
20:59 speedrunnerG55 Guess waht Ponko92
21:00 Ponko92 Nintendo3DS
21:00 Ponko92 or....
21:00 Ponko92 NINTENDO SIXTY FOUR
21:00 speedrunnerG55 I just purchaced the legend of zelda ocarina of time fot the third time
21:00 speedrunnerG55 Yes 3ds
21:00 Phu mmm N64
21:00 Ponko92 lol
21:00 Phu I have contemplated a purchase many times
21:01 Phu but then, its an N64.
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21:01 Ponko92 i have a NES SNES N64 Gamecube & Wii
21:01 speedrunnerG55 I got it for n64 gamecube and 3ds
21:01 Phu I only have a SNES :(
21:01 speedrunnerG55 Snezz
21:01 Ponko92 do you have Starwing?
21:01 Phu I appear to be a sega junkie with my Master System, Mega Drive and Saturn.
21:02 Ponko92 boooo
21:02 Phu and a controller-less dreamcast in the garage.
21:02 Ponko92 we never had the ad "Genesis does what Nintendon't
21:02 Phu the only other consoles I got are the XBox (not 360)  and the PlayStation 2.
21:02 Phu if we had that ad, there would have been lawsuits.
21:02 BatSteve-Away is now known as BatSteve
21:02 Ponko92 PS1-3
21:02 BatSteve masterofmonks: was your starting nation madagascar?
21:02 BotSteve BatSteve: I have the following messages for you:
21:02 BotSteve At 06:19Z, masterofmonks asked me to tell BatSteve perhaps channel tracking for the tell system?
21:02 Phu that whole "Can't criticse the competition" thing
21:02 BotSteve At 17:51Z, Ponko92 asked me to tell BatSteve has very good news indeed to tell you :)
21:02 BotSteve At 17:52Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell BatSteve that Ponko92 has good news for him
21:02 BotSteve Further messages sent privately
21:03 tonsofpcs I have a Wii... and a C=64, that counts as a console, right? :)
21:03 Ponko92 yeah i failed on the tell there BatSteve
21:03 Phu it only counts as a console if its a C64GS
21:03 BatSteve Ponko92: that's ok, I got the real one in PM
21:03 BatSteve What's the news?
21:03 tonsofpcs Phu: I can duct tape it to an AppleIIgs, does that make it a C64gs? :-p
21:04 Phu um no.
21:04 Phu take the keyboard out and put it in a case the size of a laptop keyboard and you got a C64GS :P
21:04 * tonsofpcs has one cartridge for the C64 -- StarTrek
21:04 * Ponko92 grins widely
21:04 speedrunnerG55 Incan donload majoras mask on wii 0_0
21:04 speedrunnerG55 Omg
21:04 Phu that is, C64GS has no keyboard, and its about the size of... you get the idea.
21:04 speedrunnerG55 I can^
21:04 tonsofpcs right, I know what it is
21:04 masterofmonks BatSteve: Greenland
21:05 speedrunnerG55 BatSteve: !
21:05 Ponko92 BatSteve what did i tell you i had today?
21:05 speedrunnerG55 BatSteve: !
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21:06 Ponko92 lets wait for replys before we snap for it
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21:07 Phu out of boredom,
21:07 * Phu restarts the nyan cat
21:07 * Ponko92 does safety dance
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21:08 tonsofpcs Phu: this is it, nice simple C=64: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11834900/IMG-20110619-00145.jpg
21:08 eadthem wtf are DIN mount breakers so expensive
21:09 Cprossu_Netbook is steve back in mc?
21:09 tonsofpcs eadthem: "DIN mount"
21:09 Phu tonsofpcs: yups. Except mine is the C64C variety.
21:09 * Ponko92 is waiting for BatSteve to respond looking at play clock
21:09 Cprossu_Netbook tggmc test
21:09 tonsofpcs ooooo
21:09 eadthem why dose DIN make that much diffrence
21:09 * tonsofpcs wants a C64C
21:09 tonsofpcs eadthem: the same reason that EIA 19" rack mount adds $200 to the price of anything.
21:09 BatSteve Ponko92: shut up, I'm in 4 different channels right now
21:09 BatSteve you had tryouts and a practice, right?
21:09 Ponko92 O_O sorry
21:09 BatSteve with scouts there?
21:09 Ponko92 yes
21:10 BatSteve How'd it go?
21:10 BatSteve I assume good, since you're excited