Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-08-21

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Time Nick Message
00:02 BatSteve heya Seroster and tlockley
00:02 BatSteve just got done reading the logs
00:03 Seroster ah
00:03 BatSteve good idea Seroster about the private messages
00:03 Seroster Ofcourse it's a good idea, it was my idea after all. =P
00:03 BatSteve BotSteve: should I implement Seroster's suggestions before I play kerbal space program?
00:03 BotSteve Yep!
00:03 BatSteve Well then.
00:03 * BatSteve fires up a text editor
00:03 Seroster You could keep a "Messages for you, sending it to you in private messages"
00:04 Seroster So people know the message has ben delivered =P
00:04 BatSteve yeah, I think so
00:05 BatSteve crap, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I need more virtual desktops
00:05 BatSteve I have 4 already and I need a fifth one
00:05 Seroster Make a dozen! =D
00:05 Seroster And... What is a virtual desktop?
00:05 Seroster Is it a new desktop to fill with crap when your desktop gets full?
00:06 Seroster I personally call those places "folders".... =P
00:06 tlockley its for organization of windows and active apps
00:06 BatSteve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVFQJqQ9nQ
00:06 BatSteve at about 20 seconds in
00:07 Seroster Looks nifty
00:07 Seroster BatSteve, I am ADHD enough to click my way into a video in 10second increments =P
00:10 Seroster Doesnt it take a fair bit of CPU to run?
00:10 BatSteve (:
00:10 BatSteve dunno
00:10 BatSteve let me check
00:11 BatSteve 0.3% CPU
00:11 Seroster ...Percentage is a worthless unit if you don't know what it is a percentage of
00:11 BatSteve That's fair.  In comparison, flashplayer is taking 6% and pidgin is taking 0.7%
00:12 BatSteve I'm not sure what a good absolute measurement would be
00:12 BatSteve Cycles, probably
00:12 BatSteve But I don't know how to check that.
00:12 Seroster Pidgin
00:12 Seroster ...
00:12 Seroster Come on mate =P
00:12 Seroster BatSteve, It doesnt take a lot, that's nice
00:13 Seroster I don't think I'll use it enough to bother switching to ubuntu
00:13 Seroster The only reason I am still on windows is the general human resistance to change and the unknown
00:14 BatSteve And you cannot sway me from pidign, monks has already tried
00:14 ajprog_laptop I use pidgin also
00:14 Seroster Seriosuly, pidgin is worse than raping kittens.
00:15 tlockley how so?
00:15 BatSteve So is your mom
00:15 masterofmonks ROFL
00:15 Seroster If you came in here and was like "EY! I rape kittens" I would be "Yeah...Sure. You do that."  but when it comes to pidgin I have to speak up!
00:15 masterofmonks BatSteve: you get no peace on the Pidgin issue.
00:15 Seroster You are a sick sick man BatSteve!
00:16 * Seroster beats BatSteve with a spatula
00:16 tlockley srsly what is so wrong with pidgin?
00:16 Seroster tlockley, Except for that it's pidgin?
00:16 tlockley yah
00:16 Seroster That it's horrible, does that count?
00:17 tlockley not with out some shred of proof
00:17 masterofmonks tlockley: It is good as an instant messenger, but as an IRC client, it seriously lacks.
00:17 tlockley ah, now i see what you are getting at
00:19 tlockley I personally have never used pidgin as an IRC client so i can pass no judgement there
00:19 tlockley i mainly use xchat variants or irssi
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00:20 Seroster Anything that does evrything is bad.
00:21 Seroster And evrything that does nothing is worthless.
00:21 Seroster Something that does other things rock.
00:22 BatSteve emacs does everything
00:22 Seroster And they suck.
00:22 masterofmonks Yes, but emacs is a religion.
00:23 tlockley true that
00:23 tlockley I never did quite understand the appeal of emacs
00:23 masterofmonks The same appeal of any religion.
00:24 tlockley heh
00:32 BatSteve yay I got my kerbals up to 4500 meters!
00:32 BatSteve 1st attempt!
00:32 Seroster Yay, metric!
00:35 masterofmonks BatSteve: Call me when you reach 1.3 lightyears.
00:35 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Geek Space Program
00:36 masterofmonks These work out bands are freaking awesome.
00:37 masterofmonks I bought them to make slingshots out of, but I can't stop using them for their intended purpose...
00:37 Seroster Here in Sweden we call them p.....
00:37 Seroster Ah, THAT kind of work out bands.
00:37 BatSteve Nothing but a giant stack of solid fuel rockets
00:37 BatSteve LAUNCH
00:38 Seroster How high? How high?!
00:38 Seroster ...Over NINE
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00:40 BatSteve hahahah it basically flipped upside down and exploded
00:40 * BatSteve needs to learn how to use the horizon gimbal thingummy
00:40 Seroster BatSteve, you are not mature enough for having an aquarium!
00:43 Denver joined #thegeekgroup
00:43 BatSteve hey denver
00:43 Denver hey batsteve
00:44 BatSteve Welcome to #tgg
00:44 BatSteve What brings you here today?
00:44 Denver thanks
00:44 Denver curiosity
00:45 Seroster Erm
00:45 Seroster So, what are you curious about?
00:46 Denver just watched a video on youtube about the mixing console and thought i'd take a look, being a bit of a geek myself.
00:46 Seroster Ah
00:46 Seroster Welcome^^
00:46 Denver thanks
00:46 Denver so what do you do here?
00:47 Seroster Talk, mostly =P
00:47 Denver about?
00:47 tlockley pick a topic
00:47 Seroster Ranging from high voltage, chemistry, maths, minecraft and spatulas.
00:48 Denver wow, maybe a bit too geeky for me!
00:48 Seroster Heh
00:48 Seroster I doubt it. Most of the time we just fuck around and tease BatSteve.
00:48 BatSteve yes
00:48 BatSteve (:
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00:49 tlockley hey Toastdude
00:49 Toastdude Hi tlockley
00:49 Toastdude Welcome Denver
00:50 Denver hey toastdude
00:50 Seroster Denver, wether you want to talk about the best cheese to use on a pizza or the pros and cons of philips head vs torx you can most likely do it here =P
00:50 Denver :)
00:51 Toastdude BatSteve: !
00:51 Denver do you know anything about ISA servers?
00:52 tlockley ISA?
00:52 Seroster I bet someone here does, however I am not the one =P
00:52 Seroster Cprossu, you there?
00:52 Denver Internet Security and Acceleration
00:52 angy the old microsoft thing?
00:52 Denver yep
00:53 angy just came across a few times, never really touch it
00:53 Denver i'm having problems
00:53 BatSteve hi toast!
00:53 Toastdude How are you BatSteve?
00:53 Seroster His pet turned over and exploded.
00:54 Seroster But it's alright since he got a new one
00:54 Toastdude Okay....
00:55 BatSteve I'm pretty good
00:55 BatSteve also, that
00:55 angy what's your problem with ISA-Server?
00:55 BatSteve I'm working on BotSteve right now
00:55 BatSteve also screwing around with Kerbals
00:55 Cprossu good deal
00:55 Denver firewall policy
00:55 Cprossu so what's up everyone
00:55 tlockley microsoft ISA Server
00:55 Toastdude Cool, what are you changing? Or just updating?
00:56 tlockley Denver is having some issues
00:56 ajprog_laptop angy how are the server testing going?
00:56 Denver Denvers always having issues:(
00:56 angy it's tricky, I'm trying to create intelligent caching
00:56 Cprossu hey ajprog_laptop you at the lab right now?
00:56 ajprog_laptop yep
00:56 angy it kind of works :)
00:57 angy the server itself is running very well, just have to try one or two tricks to improve performances
00:58 Denver so whats the video stream of on justin.tv?
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00:58 * tlockley is about to thow this POS linksys into the sound
00:58 ajprog_laptop I don't know if I am going the caching route or try rudundant dbs
00:58 Cprossu right now it's of weathercam and scanner audio
00:59 roadran422 Hello
00:59 tlockley hey roadran422
00:59 angy quite tricky shot in fact, either traffic due to caching or to db replications
00:59 roadran422 Hello, also hey cprossu
00:59 Cprossu hey roadran422 (do you have another name/screename that you go by?)
00:59 BatSteve are we on justin now?
00:59 BatSteve .stream
00:59 BotSteve The Geek Group Live Web Stream can be found at: http://justin.tv/thegeekgroup
00:59 BatSteve huh
00:59 BatSteve we are
01:00 Seroster Lol BatSteve
01:00 BatSteve I had forgotten
01:00 Cprossu rofl BatSteve lol
01:00 Seroster We have ben for the last month or so
01:00 roadran422 Nope, well maybe roadran322
01:00 Cprossu yeah and we are high qual now too
01:00 BatSteve What's worse is that I was the one who registered justin.tv
01:00 Cprossu yeah
01:00 Seroster Hey BatSteve, have you heard that the twin towers fell?
01:00 Cprossu and I had to get it back from you
01:00 Cprossu rofl
01:00 Seroster Gotta bring you up to date, man =P
01:00 Cprossu funny stuff BatSteve
01:01 roadran422 ... lol
01:01 Seroster How much have you heard about the swedish crown princess getting knocked up abroad?
01:01 ajprog_laptop angy yeah I think it will just be nice if the internet connection is done to still be able to run things in the lab
01:01 Seroster Media here treats it like it's the biggest story since we landed on the moon...
01:02 angy kind of why I did go to the caching idea
01:02 tlockley puting in a caching server at TGG?
01:02 Denver so are you guys enthusiasts or techys?
01:03 Seroster Probably both
01:03 ajprog_laptop angy your comment on the remote web cam topic, bill set it up so that you can "telnet to it
01:03 angy ok, so it's a common protocol, no need to hack into it :)
01:03 roadran422 ..........
01:03 Cprossu angy honestly everything is done with ascii commands over rs232 to the weathercam interface
01:04 ajprog_laptop not strictly telnet but you can use a comm port to it
01:04 Denver if i gave you my ip address, could you check out my firewall?
01:04 angy ok, so tcp something, it's ok, I think it'll be quite easy to include that
01:05 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: but that is what bill did so we don't have to deal with that part, we just talk to his server
01:05 angy wayyyy better to just talk to a server :)
01:05 Cprossu exactly :)
01:05 roadran422 Bye.....
01:06 Cprossu plus his server will keep track of positions
01:06 Cprossu which kicks butt.
01:06 ajprog_laptop angy: when are you going to find what day you defend on?
01:06 angy start of next week I hope
01:06 angy then I'll buy my plane tickets
01:06 Seroster Sorry, Denver, I don't deal with that kind of geekery =P
01:07 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: why did you want to know if I was at the lab?
01:07 Denver ok, just wanted to test my firewall.
01:07 Cprossu ajprog_laptop just because.
01:07 Cprossu no real reason
01:08 ajprog_laptop denver, I don't have anything for that
01:08 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: you have any recommendation for a port scanning programs?
01:08 Cprossu ajprog_laptop you could just do an nmap and call it a day
01:08 Cprossu it works rather well.
01:08 Denver so how do i test my own firewall?
01:09 Cprossu ajprog_laptop: so in light of above, get nmap!
01:09 BatSteve yay nmap
01:10 Seroster Denver, first you get zonealarm and then you call it done =P
01:10 Cprossu I hate zonealarm
01:10 Denver i'm using microsoft security essentials. how does that rate?
01:10 Cprossu yuck
01:11 Cprossu Denver mse rocks
01:11 Cprossu but it's not a firewall
01:11 Cprossu do you have an old linksys wrt54g/gs/gl router, Denver?
01:11 Denver the isa is the edge firewall
01:11 Cprossu that doesn't matter.
01:11 ajprog_laptop Denver: I am install nmap I can check for you in a few
01:12 Cprossu having a microsoft product at the start of your internet connection is never a good idea =/
01:12 Denver why?
01:12 ajprog_laptop because it is microsoft
01:13 Denver so do you suggest changing the isa for a different product?
01:13 angy get something based on openbsd/freebsd/netbsd :)
01:14 ajprog_laptop I agree with Cprossu I like having a hardware firewall, like a router
01:14 Denver cisco?
01:14 BatSteve BotSteve: ask katemonster why my parachute autodeployed in KSP.  I wanted to pop it myself.
01:14 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when katemonster is around.
01:14 BatSteve thanks BotSteve
01:14 BotSteve Happy to help, BatSteve
01:14 angy don't go cisco! unless you want to feel pain
01:15 angy depending on the size of the network
01:15 Denver i have four computers
01:15 angy definitely don't go cisco
01:16 Denver isa, 2008RC2 server, win7, 2003 server
01:16 angy I use pfSense, up to 50-100 computers
01:16 Denver any help?
01:16 BatSteve BotSteve: should he go cisco?
01:16 BotSteve Reply hazy, try again later
01:16 BatSteve drat
01:16 angy even the bot is ditching the question
01:17 Seroster I like zonealarm since it is free and quite.
01:17 Seroster quiet*
01:17 angy I have no firewalls on my windows workstations, I like living in danger
01:17 Denver :)
01:18 angy (but I don't recommend it, do what I say, not what I do!)
01:18 Denver so is there anybody i can ask to test my firewall?
01:19 angy what's your ISP ?
01:19 tlockley which firewall?
01:19 Denver 182.177.137.116
01:19 Denver ISA
01:19 angy PK telecom?
01:19 Denver yep
01:20 tlockley Denver, waiting for the port scan results
01:20 Denver thanks:)
01:20 tlockley so far only telnet and http are open
01:20 Cprossu I personally like running linux and bsd.
01:20 Cprossu telnet is open?
01:21 Cprossu that's kinda of off
01:21 Cprossu can you connect to it?
01:21 Denver ok
01:21 angy hum... you seem to be being a weird setup before your ip
01:21 tlockley lemme try
01:21 ajprog_laptop brb, I think everyone left, so I better check the doors
01:21 tlockley yep
01:21 Cprossu Denver: that's why
01:21 Cprossu you have a bigass gaping hole in your network.
01:21 Denver telnet?
01:21 tlockley yah, close up that telnet port ASAP
01:22 tlockley or kill the telnet service
01:22 Cprossu yeah through telnet you can do anything.
01:22 Denver thanks:) anything else i need to do?
01:22 angy that's your modern!
01:22 tlockley this is what i get on telnet "Welcome to ZXDSL  831CII"
01:22 Denver thats the one
01:22 Cprossu your dsl modem have it's own router Denver?
01:22 angy I don't have ZTE password on my mind, but it may be fun to poke it around
01:23 Cprossu ala does it serve out 192.168.x.x numbers?
01:23 Denver i think so
01:23 Denver yep
01:23 Denver can u see if u can get into my file system?
01:23 angy not on default password, I'm sad
01:24 Cprossu rofl. well that's a good thing.
01:24 Denver thats a very good thing:)
01:24 angy that's kind of weird that it answer on telnet on a public IP
01:25 Denver why is that?
01:25 tlockley brb
01:25 Cprossu breaking in is a bit more complicated and me and folks here would rather not do it for the sake of it. At least not without signed releases. ISP's don't generally like it otherwise.
01:25 angy the :80 is also the modem
01:25 angy Denver: your isa don't seems to be directly accessible, your modem is up front
01:26 angy and I don't really want to mess with PK telecom right now, not on the right network
01:26 Denver thats my problem. i'm not too sure about my configuration
01:27 Cprossu post your hardware sitution and we can tell you without intrusive testing.
01:27 Cprossu but it's never a good idea to have a ms server exposed.
01:27 tlockley Denver, what you have right now is a most likely a double NAT
01:27 Cprossu sounds like it to me tlockley
01:27 Denver how about i change the modem password. will that help
01:27 tlockley seeing as the dsl is presenting itself to the public
01:28 tlockley Denver, what you have is effectively 2 routers layering themselves
01:28 Cprossu Denver what's your experience level at pc networking?
01:28 Denver basic
01:28 Cprossu ok. what hardware do you have available to you?
01:28 tlockley so the ISA server is getting a private IP from the DSL modem and the the ISA or whatever is giving out its own private ips behind the DSL
01:28 Cprossu switches, routers, and/or servers
01:29 Denver is the isa acting as a router?
01:29 Cprossu is your 'server' a virtual machine or a regular machine?
01:29 angy don't forget that you are using PK Telecom, an ISP that use extensive blackholes
01:29 Denver regular
01:29 * tlockley is shutting up now and going back to my mumble server
01:29 Cprossu tlockley you have a mumble server?
01:29 Cprossu nice.
01:29 tlockley working on a new one
01:29 tlockley for TGG
01:29 Cprossu oooh cool.
01:30 Cprossu Denver you should look into ipcop
01:30 tlockley but my VPS is being shitty
01:30 Cprossu and you should disable the router function on your dsl modem
01:30 Denver how do i do that?
01:31 Cprossu you should download your modem's user guide and give it a good read.
01:31 Cprossu it will tell you anything you need to know
01:31 Cprossu download an ISO of ipcop and burn it to a cd
01:31 Cprossu if you have a spare rig with at least 2 network cards install it
01:31 Cprossu it's fairly bulletproof and easy to configure.
01:32 Cprossu if you are using PPoe you need to take down your current configuration in your dsl router to use it later on
01:32 Denver thanks a lot guys. i'll go away for a while. try to fix then come back a bit later. much appreciated. many thanks:)
01:32 Cprossu good luck, if you get stuck let us know.
01:32 angy remember, backup everything before changes!
01:32 Cprossu ^ and write things on paper, real paper
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01:33 Denver will do:) thanks again. hope to chat again soon.
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01:35 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Remote webcam access
01:39 angy ajprog_laptop: I think I'm going to setup some trac/redmine/mantis/something server to have a following system for the soap :)
01:43 ajprog_laptop I never was told the interaction between the different systems so I don't know anything about what we use soap for
01:43 ajprog_laptop I just did set it up for another client
01:43 angy we do everything using soap
01:43 angy the server is build behind a soap server, so the communication is using soap to pass the messages/functions
01:44 angy I'll send you how to obtain all that is currently deved
01:45 Seroster Cya folks, I'm off to sleep
01:45 angy there is currently Login, TLogin, Logout, UserName, TLogout, TLastLog, TLastDo, Tin, TList, Su, TFLogout
01:45 angy all T- are related to login into the building and selecting tasks
01:45 Seroster And damn my cat hates when I sneeze
01:47 ajprog_laptop I will probably just talk to you about it when you get here
01:47 angy that will be way easier indeed
01:47 ajprog_laptop what type of a job are you looking for?
01:47 angy engineering something
01:47 angy I'm theorically a mechanical engineer
01:48 angy mostly specialized in biomechanics for now... or I think I am
01:48 ajprog_laptop what type of work would that be?
01:48 tlockley angy and ajprog_laptop are you working on that Bocsy thingy?
01:48 angy I have no ideas :)
01:49 angy for now, I think I'll take anything with engineering and related to mechanic as I may go for a Ph. D. quite soon
01:49 angy tlockley: yep
01:50 tlockley cool. I always here chris or moose refer to bocsy but I rally cant find much info on it
01:50 tlockley *really
01:50 angy for now, there is quite nothing to talk about yet
01:50 tlockley mostly just planning?
01:51 angy planning and coding some poc
01:51 tlockley POC?
01:51 angy proof of contest
01:51 tlockley righ
01:51 tlockley thought of it as i hit enter
01:52 angy it's heavily based on soap, for easy client writing
01:52 tlockley huh
01:53 tlockley never really got behind/understood the appeal of SOAP
01:53 angy depending on what to code, you may not have a lot of alternatives
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01:54 tlockley oh? I guess i am just a little nieve as i generally do web based things
01:54 ajprog_laptop it is big for web communication
01:54 tlockley funny
01:54 tlockley most people now want JSON and buzzwords
01:55 angy if you need to access using multiple platforms as client, you can choose between roughly soap and soap
01:56 angy json is quite... hard to use in big projects
01:56 tlockley i would assume so
01:57 tlockley i just find XML to be a huge PITA sometimes
01:57 angy json is more a message format than a protocol
01:57 tlockley that I do know
01:57 angy xml is quite complex, but you can build huge things on it
01:57 angy like having a common backend for multiple websites and desktop applications with the same xml/saop server
01:58 angy I used to run an application that could be accessed trhought the web, public and auth, desktop app and that pushed updates to servers farm
01:59 tlockley now it makes more sense
01:59 angy built upon soap
01:59 tlockley yah, i really have never worked on a project that big before
01:59 ajprog_laptop but it is a memory hog
01:59 angy you can use xslt for web formatting, soap client libraries for desktop and pushing datas
01:59 angy it can has indeed
01:59 tlockley usually i develope by myself
02:00 tlockley *develop
02:00 ajprog_laptop I am a freelance web developer
02:00 angy the current bocsy poc is something like 5-10M when loaded I think
02:00 angy I'm an alien ^..^
02:00 ajprog_laptop just setup a site this week with soap
02:01 angy soap is fun, but when it breaks, it's a nightmare usually
02:02 angy the thing I love with it is that you can pass/return very huge data chunks without any problems, and with minimal latency usually
02:02 tlockley sweet
02:03 ajprog_laptop the CMS system I work with, uses soap to install modules, but we are moving to a REST type server
02:04 angy if you are only using web to access it, it's a better choice
02:06 angy I think using soap just to install modules is a real overkill
02:08 ajprog_laptop it was used for all the communication to our module repository
02:08 ajprog_laptop module list, module discriptions, etc
02:09 angy I usually use flat files for that
02:14 angy I'm going to push the data on the server tonight for the test server, as my dns are quite... non really cooperative today, it will take quite a few
02:16 ajprog_laptop yeah that was my headache last night (dns issues)
02:17 angy I wrote my own dns servers in order to limit the issues :)
02:17 Toastdude Hi CaptainNiobe !
02:18 CaptainNiobe morning, Toastdude... how are you?
02:18 Toastdude Good, my friend is over
02:18 Toastdude Hbu?
02:19 CaptainNiobe i'm good, thanks... having fun listening to tgg's scanner (livs stream)
02:19 CaptainNiobe live* fail
02:19 Toastdude Hi BotSteve
02:19 BotSteve Hey Toastdude!
02:19 Toastdude Lol
02:21 Toastdude My friend wants me to say his name...
02:21 Toastdude It's Ike (Estebon)
02:21 Toastdude He says hi
02:21 CaptainNiobe hi ike, i'm rachael :)
02:22 angy hi!
02:22 Toastdude Oh, Hi Rachael
02:22 CaptainNiobe hi... :D
02:22 Toastdude Is that really your name?
02:22 CaptainNiobe yup
02:22 Toastdude Cool :)
02:22 CaptainNiobe i keep telling everyone i'm not chris :P
02:22 Toastdude Yeah... :P
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02:25 BatSteve hi trashcat
02:25 Toastdude Hi trashcat
02:25 * angy is going to try write a resumé in english
02:25 Toastdude Hi BatSteve
02:25 trashcat hola
02:25 trashcat hey rachaek guess what
02:25 trashcat rachael*
02:26 BatSteve What?
02:26 CaptainNiobe wazzup trashcat?
02:26 trashcat me llamo ike
02:26 Toastdude .................
02:26 CaptainNiobe lol... hey again ike :)
02:27 trashcat hullo
02:27 trashcat im on a goat
02:27 trashcat no i, not
02:27 trashcat im*
02:27 trashcat i cant spell :D
02:28 CaptainNiobe you and goodness knows how many others, me included lol
02:28 trashcat llama
02:28 Toastdude ..........
02:29 trashcat toast is sitting next to meh
02:29 Toastdude That I am...
02:29 Toastdude In the toaster :P
02:29 CaptainNiobe if you're a first-time visitor to the tgg channel, toast should be nicer... :P
02:30 trashcat how so? 0.O
02:30 Toastdude He's like my best friend though :P
02:30 Toastdude He is actually sitting right next to me
02:31 trashcat that i am
02:31 CaptainNiobe he's gotta let you be yourself, don't he? :D
02:31 trashcat and
02:31 trashcat jelly
02:31 CaptainNiobe nvm lol
02:31 CaptainNiobe sorry toast, was just messing around
02:31 Toastdude See? NOW he's being himself :P
02:31 Toastdude I know :)
02:31 CaptainNiobe :)
02:32 Toastdude hi Phu
02:32 trashcat alligatpr sauce
02:32 CaptainNiobe hey toast, did you show ike you visiting thumper?
02:32 trashcat alligator*
02:32 Toastdude No, not yet... I forgot to tell him!
02:33 CaptainNiobe tell him now :D
02:33 Toastdude I am now :D
02:33 CaptainNiobe sweet... i bet he gets all jealous... i know i am :P
02:34 Toastdude Hehe :P Buy a ticket and fly up there
02:34 trashcat where ya gonna fly
02:34 trashcat NORTH
02:34 trashcat TO
02:34 CaptainNiobe bit hard, disability pensioner and no passport lol
02:34 trashcat ALASKA
02:34 Toastdude Tht sucks...
02:34 Toastdude *That
02:35 CaptainNiobe tgg labs are in grand rapids
02:38 tlockley Cprossu: mumble is working
02:40 trashcat "Its the Electric Nipple of Science!"
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02:46 trashcat hellllllllllllllllllllo?
02:46 BatSteve heyo
02:47 tlockley hey BatSteve do you know why thegeekgroup.org is down?
02:47 eadthem so i wrote a sql query generator 3 years ago and have been adding on sense   useing it quite a lot
02:47 BatSteve it doesn't look down to me
02:47 BatSteve looks like it's working fine
02:47 eadthem i think it just proved the compatablty between new realloc and delete on windows when used on a character pointer
02:48 tlockley i swear it was down like less than 2 mins ago
02:48 eadthem lol  just found that i had new'ed the buffer    and deleted it    but used realloc multiple times to resisze it
02:48 eadthem never once had it blow up  but its just freaky to find that after its been used in several ways for 3 years
02:48 tlockley it was even down when trying to connect using my webserver
02:49 tlockley yah, getting connection refused
02:49 trashcat hey captainNiobe
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02:50 CaptainNiobe yeah, ike, what's up?
02:50 trashcat bartle doo
02:51 Toastdude ..............
02:51 tlockley alright BatSteve this time i can confirm that at three different ISPs i am getting connection refused for thegeekgroup.org
02:52 angy connexion refused is not down
02:52 eadthem it works from olathe kansas at&t DSL
02:53 tlockley WFT
02:53 tlockley *WTF
02:53 angy work well from Cogent, HE
02:53 eadthem tlockley what isp's
02:53 tlockley comcast and whatever my VPS uses
02:53 trashcat sorry , im weird
02:54 tlockley okay now it works
02:54 eadthem open a dos window
02:54 tlockley but WTF
02:54 eadthem do ipconfig /flushdns
02:54 eadthem do ipconfig /registerdns
02:54 tlockley i dont use windows
02:54 angy traceroute -a thegeekgroup.org
02:54 eadthem what ip dose it resolve to
02:55 tlockley dig returns 173.236.234.12
02:55 tlockley same with traceroute
02:55 angy that's right
02:55 eadthem 173.236.234.12
02:56 tlockley then why was tgg.org refusing for like 10 mins
02:56 eadthem ok using pcap  capture the port 80 transation when you attempt to connnect but fail
02:56 tlockley it doesent fail anymore
02:56 eadthem k well next time
02:56 tlockley but it was from two geographically different locations
02:56 eadthem it could be a comcast thing and i can identify it from pcap
02:57 angy because you're using comcast...
02:57 eadthem ya well both you and the lap are on comcast
02:57 tlockley but my VPS doesent
02:57 eadthem lab
02:57 angy ip?
02:57 tlockley and it was blocked there two
02:57 tlockley server ip?
02:57 trashcat haha
02:58 angy or who's your upstream
02:58 eadthem in less than 2 years  ile be on google fiber
02:58 eadthem ile send ya some when i get it  :p
02:58 angy an you won't be able to access the internet
02:58 angy just the internet by google
02:59 tlockley all i want is for shit to work
02:59 tlockley that is all
02:59 trashcat ha
02:59 eadthem well if it makes you feel better
02:59 eadthem i have lots of issues with the TGG website
02:59 tlockley ditto
02:59 angy that's not your iso, mostly not
03:00 tlockley well I got two things acomplished today
03:01 tlockley got my server and storage donation preped for monday
03:01 eadthem atleast the website stopped dieing everytime i visited a subpage of the forums
03:01 tlockley and i got the mumble server running
03:01 tlockley yah, I am not really a fan of the whole wordpress underpinning
03:02 eadthem man i hope tgg dosent get burned by google email
03:02 tlockley gapps is only going to burn a hole in their wallet
03:02 angy not really
03:02 eadthem when my mailserver died at the hands of comcast a fue months back i switched to them   there free version
03:02 eadthem it let me set it up and transfer all the mx records and conferm it worked
03:03 eadthem then it banned me for signing up with a noip free domain as my main domain
03:03 tlockley meh
03:03 eadthem i figured  aaa  ile use my i care about less noip free domain final.servegame.com to test the service before i risk my  mandatory uptime domain
03:04 eadthem and it let me transfer the mandatory uptime domain   adding it to the same account :p
03:04 tlockley well as someone who has implimented gapps for a few rel estate companies
03:04 tlockley it is beyond rock solid
03:04 tlockley expescially coming from 1and1
03:04 trashcat you guys
03:04 trashcat are
03:04 trashcat people
03:04 trashcat who
03:04 angy it's kind of limited when you have very high email traffic
03:04 eadthem just whatever you do    dont test it with a free domain before dropping the critical one on it :p
03:04 trashcat hi
03:05 eadthem know when to hit space instead of enter ?
03:05 eadthem :p
03:05 tlockley angy what do you mean by very high traffic?
03:05 angy exactly what it means, more than 2K/hour on a single domain
03:06 Toastdude Lol
03:06 tlockley well I was looking for a number. which you gave me
03:06 eadthem 2k hits  2k sessions   2k unique visitors   2kBytes ?
03:06 tlockley most people throw around phrases like that and then provide no metrics
03:06 tlockley 2k messages/hr
03:07 eadthem o email
03:07 angy you'll get a *lot* of 451, then a phone call asking for the next non-advertised package that cost like a liver per day
03:07 eadthem ya see thats a medium setup
03:07 eadthem decntly sized
03:07 angy medium sized? Oo
03:07 angy that's tiny sized!
03:08 angy medium sized is 25-50K/hour
03:08 tlockley yah, most of my clients are more dealing with just sheer mass of messages
03:08 eadthem itherway its respectable in the fact that someoen will notice if its down for more than 5 min
03:08 tlockley i did a gapps migration of over 10M messages for an office of 4
03:08 pegasus right. so.
03:08 pegasus http://www.w3schools.com/media/tryit.asp?filename=trymedia_calendarobject
03:08 eadthem and a lot of pepole get pissed off if its down for more than 12 hours
03:09 pegasus doens't render in chrome, FF, MSIE, Opera, or safari.
03:09 pegasus doesn't, even
03:09 pegasus so what the hell, w3schools.
03:09 eadthem w3 is the web standards commity
03:09 eadthem commiti
03:09 eadthem however its spelled
03:10 pegasus ...and?
03:10 eadthem well you need to provide the backing behind your classid
03:10 pegasus .......aaaaand?
03:10 eadthem somewhere thers a chunk of sourcecode likely css and jscript stuffs thats not there
03:10 eadthem schools is part of there setup
03:10 pegasus no, there isn't.
03:11 angy I like the fact that it's ASP code...
03:11 angy kind of ironic
03:11 eadthem ya that would make sense to me
03:11 tlockley w3schools is not relate to the w3c
03:11 eadthem realy?
03:11 tlockley w3schools is just some random for proffit site
03:11 eadthem only a microsoft thingy would dare use a clsid
03:11 pegasus ...what's ASP code?
03:11 tlockley they were just sneaky and got a good domain
03:12 tlockley ASP is active server pages. its a micro$oft product
03:12 pegasus their flash example object is the only one that actually works
03:12 pegasus tlockley: i'm asking what angy's talking about, not what ASP is
03:12 eadthem clsid is something that MS loving programmers use when they want to hide something
03:12 eadthem its never a good thing
03:13 pegasus right, i'm going AFK again.
03:13 angy tryit.asp that's asp code that somehow crunch the example into something
03:14 Fulsy Debating on if I should make a topic on Facepunch about TGG
03:15 BatSteve .w facepunch
03:15 BotSteve "Garry's Mod (officially abbreviated to GMod) is a sandbox physics game that allows the player to manipulate objects and experiment with physics using the Source engine." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facepunch
03:15 BatSteve ?
03:15 eadthem facepunch studios
03:16 Fulsy giant forum
03:16 eadthem its worth noting as well that your tryit.asp will likely only function on IIS
03:17 pegasus and then i remember why i've always hated the object tag.
03:17 pegasus least documented piece of shit ever.
03:17 eadthem not many apache setups are setup with something to handle asp
03:17 eadthem so its for flash?
03:18 pegasus ...are you talking to me?
03:18 eadthem well anyone
03:18 BatSteve Yeehee!  I'm in orbit!
03:18 eadthem but the last question was for you
03:18 BatSteve Or rather my kerbals are!
03:18 pegasus https://encrypted.google.com/url?url=http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/struct/objects.html%23h-13.3&rct=j&q=html+object+%2Bclassid&usg=AFQjCNG_IsoK-EB9gOFse5J7IRr8ssq79g&sa=X&ei=7HVQTuizMsrD0AGO8LCoDg&ved=0CKUBEMoEMBA
03:19 pegasus lovely.
03:19 pegasus http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/struct/objects.html#h-13.3 -- without google tracking
03:20 pegasus the fact that you think object tags are only for flash elegantly illustrates my point, however.
03:20 eadthem not after reading that
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03:20 pegasus s/think/thought/ and happy to enlighten you somewhat.
03:21 angy_ I hate my corporate network, why does it lock 6667 ><
03:21 eadthem i generaly try to stick to basic html and css stuffs with my php adventures
03:21 pegasus angy: to keep people off IRC. try 6668 instead.
03:21 angy_ I use 8000
03:21 angy_ 666* is generally locked
03:21 eadthem usualy if i do  it keeps things the same across multiple browsers
03:22 pegasus as long as you specify the legacy MSIE box model.
03:22 eadthem ?
03:22 pegasus really?
03:22 eadthem msie box model?
03:23 eadthem maby i shuld add that i program for any browser other than IE  and if ie works its a bonus
03:23 pegasus -moz-box-sizing: border-box;
03:23 pegasus -ms-box-sizing: border-box;
03:23 pegasus -webkit-box-sizing: border-box;
03:23 pegasus box-sizing: border-box;
03:23 eadthem never needed
03:23 eadthem err never needed it
03:23 pegasus you're welcome to try -o-box-sizing too, but last i checked opera skipped their tag and just went with box-sizing (pre-release)
03:24 pegasus technically bad form, but hey
03:25 pegasus http://www.css3.info/preview/box-sizing/
03:25 angy_ I let Moose and Jeff do that part :)
03:26 pegasus i don't think i know jeff
03:26 angy_ ajprog
03:26 pegasus yep, don't know him.
03:27 eadthem aahhh  ya well i dont use <div>
03:27 pegasus tables instead?
03:27 eadthem this is quite likely why not
03:27 eadthem this is a site i did for someone http://haroldgadams.com/
03:27 * pegasus stabs eadthem in the neck until his rage is sated
03:28 pegasus you are everything wrong with web development.
03:28 * pegasus afk
03:28 eadthem useing sqlGen authlib  my own wiki system  and a image management system i did
03:29 ajprog_laptop never used box-sizing
03:29 eadthem mmm guess i did use div
03:30 eadthem guessing my block positioning is why i never had to deal with box positioning
03:31 ajprog_laptop I just use the standard css, try to be as browser independent as possible
03:31 * eadthem is not shure what he has done wrong with web development all his stuff works on every browser with minimal diffrences and its still w3c HTML 4.01 transitional valid
03:32 eadthem well i guess the fonts render weard on IE  but  it still looks natural
03:36 pegasus ajprog_laptop: there are ways to structure your document to not have to worry about box sizing, and having it render pixel perfect in every browser, but in general, it winds up being a shitton of markup that you don't actually need.
03:37 pegasus box-sizing works now, and if you choose border-box, everything just renders the same way MSIE used to before box-sizing was even a thing, so you're supported cross-browser just fine.
03:38 pegasus and it also lets you do things like stack two floating divs at 50% width side-by-side, so that's handy.
03:39 pegasus content-box never made much sense to me. floating block elements shrinkwrap to fit the content without further styling, and non-floated elements occupy the entire page left-to-right anyway, so what's really the point at the end of it
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04:02 LeadHead Sups?
04:05 BatSteve g'night all
04:07 eadthem pegasus so what exactly did i do so wrong
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04:11 LeadHead Anyone around
04:13 LeadHead Cprossu?
04:13 eadthem yep
04:18 LeadHead oh
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05:26 LemPhone afternoon all
05:26 pegasus eadthem: tables aren't for layout. when you put non-tabular data in a table, you break the semantic nature of markup and screw up the entire concept of markup for any artificial intelligence that may come along later. in the realm of the realistic future, context-aware search engines won't be able to parse your page as the content is meant to be parsed, because you've made the whole thing look like tabular
05:27 pegasus learn to use tags for the content they're meant for, then style them as you like, and futureproof your pages.
05:28 pegasus you might also want to learn something newer than HTML 4.01T (from 1999)
05:28 pegasus even though it validates, renders, and just works, it's not exactly the way things should or will be done.
05:29 pegasus HTML5 is, in my opinion, fairly sloppy, but the good news is that you can take the strict rules of XHTML and apply them to the slop of HTML5 and have it render just fine in both contexts (with the exception of HTML5-specific elements, like the <video>, <audio>, and <canvas> tags)
05:30 eadthem execpt for iirc  html5 has not been finalised
05:30 pegasus the reason you'd be XHTML strict in an HTML5 document, though, is that it's far easier to parse a proper XML document tree in code than it is to parse SGML
05:30 pegasus and yes, HTML5 is not finalized, but it's still the current generation.
05:30 pegasus kind of like how evolution is just a theory.
05:31 pegasus you're two generations of web language behind, essentially. it works, but you're speaking ye olde english.
05:31 LemPhone </rant>
05:32 eadthem there has been no generation between 4 and 5
05:32 pegasus HTML5 is a bit like ebonics, so you can focus on XHTML and be ebonically aware instead.
05:32 pegasus XHTML = what was between.
05:32 pegasus think of it like english before webster, english with webster, and english as it's devolved after webster
05:33 pegasus HTML4/XHTML/HTML5
05:36 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: RZR_LZR on This is so spot on.
05:36 * LemPhone slumps into his seat but tries not to fall asleep
05:36 MadManMarkAu1 pegasus: Regarding not using tables for layout, can you tell me how to do layout without them?.
05:36 pegasus MadManMarkAu1: learn and use box model and document flow layouts with CSS
05:36 MadManMarkAu1 For instance
05:36 MadManMarkAu1 I mean, whould I be using <div> tags?
05:37 MadManMarkAu1 *should
05:37 pegasus http://pegasus.pimpninjas.org/ -- no tables
05:37 LemPhone lol, pimpninjas, ages since I have seen that domain
05:37 pegasus you use div, span, etc, as appropriate
05:37 MadManMarkAu1 Examples! Excellent
05:37 LemPhone that and nopninjas
05:38 pegasus you know sloth?
05:38 MadManMarkAu1 me?
05:38 pegasus MadManMarkAu1: not only is that page very example-y, but it's pretty simple. and no, asking lem
05:39 LemPhone ...?
05:39 LemPhone on this channel?
05:39 pegasus sloth used to be associated with nopninjas, idk if he is anymore
05:39 LemPhone nfi
05:39 MadManMarkAu1 pegasus, I see a reference to a movie on this page :P
05:39 pegasus which movie
05:39 MadManMarkAu1 Trying to remember
05:39 LemPhone haven't been involved with it in 5 or 6 years probably
05:39 MadManMarkAu1 It's the "pi" at the bottom right
05:40 pegasus the net, sandra bullock
05:40 pegasus did you click it?
05:40 * MadManMarkAu1 ctrl-clicks it
05:40 pegasus heh
05:40 MadManMarkAu1 That's it!
05:40 pegasus pi = pythagoreans
05:41 MadManMarkAu1 I keep remembering it as "pithatorians"
05:41 pegasus try clicking it without ctrl
05:41 MadManMarkAu1 It's been ages since I've seen that movie
05:41 LemPhone bleh, wish they had power points on trains  :-9
05:41 LemPhone my phone is rapidly heading towards flat
05:41 LemPhone and it's an hour train ride
05:42 pegasus it's kind of funny, if you click it wrong, it schools you on how to do it right
05:42 LemPhone heh
05:42 MadManMarkAu1 Yah
05:42 pegasus lem: improvise a bimetal acid battery from found components and orange juice from the meal car
05:42 MadManMarkAu1 Oh, ctrl-chift-click
05:42 MadManMarkAu1 Herp
05:43 * MadManMarkAu1 jsut got it right :P
05:43 LemPhone not that sort of train pegasus
05:43 LemPhone local train only
05:44 pegasus somebody's got acid somewhere
05:44 pegasus a bottle of coke, something
05:44 LemPhone lol
05:45 pegasus MadManMarkAu1: if you want help with HTML, let me know. layout without tables is tricky when you first start.
05:45 MadManMarkAu1 Yah
05:45 MadManMarkAu1 "<![CDATA["
05:45 MadManMarkAu1 You put this in your script tags
05:45 MadManMarkAu1 I've always used <!--
05:45 MadManMarkAu1 Is there a difference?
05:46 pegasus <!-- is a comment. you can't have comments in <script> tags per the strict XHTML specs
05:46 MadManMarkAu1 Aaah
05:46 pegasus you also can't have plain text, you need a document entity
05:46 pegasus <![CDATA[ ... ]]> qualifies
05:46 MadManMarkAu1 That's... brilliant :P
05:47 MadManMarkAu1 But, on non-script browsers, won't that output as text?
05:47 pegasus and the <! .. > parses as a comment in older browsers that barf on <script> anyway
05:47 MadManMarkAu1 Ah
05:47 pegasus heh
05:48 MadManMarkAu1 It's like, a simple catch-all, the holy grail of cross-browser compatibility
05:48 pegasus actually
05:48 pegasus the holy grail of it is to use <script src="..."></script>
05:48 pegasus external javascript
05:48 MadManMarkAu1 Ah, right, didn't think of that
05:48 pegasus results in a double request, but it parses in fucking everything
05:49 pegasus i use <![CDATA[ .. ]]> mostly in pages i'm still working on, so i can have all the content right in the one file
05:49 MadManMarkAu1 Yep, makes sense
05:50 pegasus by the way, the </script> is a kludge too
05:50 pegasus SGML parsers see the </script> and ignore it
05:50 pegasus XHTML requires <script> tags to be closed, but not self-closing
05:50 pegasus and you've actually got nothing in it
05:50 MadManMarkAu1 so you can't just go <script src="..." />?
05:51 pegasus correct, that's self-closing and XHTML validators (and strict parsers) will bitch at you
05:51 MadManMarkAu1 Aha
05:51 pegasus incedentally, strict SGML parsers *should* terminate the tag on the / instead of the >
05:51 pegasus none of them do, though
05:52 pegasus but it would result in a page that has > littered all over the rendered document
05:52 MadManMarkAu1 That sounds strange, closing a tag on the /
05:52 pegasus <head/ is valid SGML
05:52 MadManMarkAu1 I thought it was the combination of "/" and ">" that closed it on the ">"
05:52 MadManMarkAu1 Oh, good LORD my OCD would kill me
05:53 pegasus heh
05:53 pegasus <head/> isn't valid in any context that i know of, other than SGML, but by strict parsing rules, it would be a head opening tag followed by >
05:54 pegasus which would throw a context violation error if it was actually that strict
05:54 pegasus (no plain character data in <head>)
05:54 MadManMarkAu1 Yah
05:54 MadManMarkAu1 Got it
05:54 pegasus <br /> is the most likely to cause issues if anyone actually makes a strict SGML parser.
05:55 pegasus <br /> shouldn't really be used anyway
05:55 pegasus (one of my main index pages uses it -- i haven't fixed it out of laziness)
05:55 MadManMarkAu1 No?
05:55 pegasus no. you should use <p> instead.
05:55 MadManMarkAu1 Ah, kk
05:56 MadManMarkAu1 To get the no-gaps of <br /> you'd use styles
05:56 pegasus AOL2.5's built-in browser threw up on <p> and ate <br /> just fine, which started a whole mess of bad habits.
05:56 MadManMarkAu1 heh
05:56 pegasus right, adjust the margins of the paragraphs
05:56 * MadManMarkAu1 is playing with your page
05:57 MadManMarkAu1 I notice "<div id="white" class="table"><div class="cell">"
05:57 pegasus :)
05:57 MadManMarkAu1 How home it's two <div> tags nested. Why was that required?
05:58 pegasus one sets the center, the other sets the height around floating content
05:58 pegasus oh, wait, the div id white
05:58 pegasus nevermind
05:58 pegasus the table div and the cell div, you need them both to properly vertically align content
05:59 pegasus it's essentially <table><tr><td>... without the <tr> and avoiding tables for non-tabular data
05:59 MadManMarkAu1 Ah, vertical-align doesn't work on display:table
05:59 MadManMarkAu1 Am I correct?
05:59 pegasus vertical-align works on ...
05:59 MadManMarkAu1 Yeah, I got that
05:59 * pegasus checks his notes
06:00 pegasus table-cell
06:00 pegasus but not on table, right
06:00 MadManMarkAu1 Ahha
06:00 pegasus but you need the table around it or it won't work either way
06:00 pegasus in any case, it's divs instead of tables, it's converted (essentially) by CSS instead of being marked up incorrectly
06:00 MadManMarkAu1 So, I can mostly replace my <table>...</table> layouts with <div>...</div> equivelants
06:00 pegasus you can, yes
06:01 pegasus but there are many other possibilities that you can do with far less markup by abandoning table logic
06:01 MadManMarkAu1 Is this considered the "correct" way of doing it?
06:01 MadManMarkAu1 Ah, right
06:01 pegasus check the source of http://pegasus.pimpninjas.org/white/
06:03 pegasus it's a bit more complex since it's been around for a long long time, but the gist of it is that you don't need to use table logic at all for a nice page layout
06:03 MadManMarkAu1 I'm slowly workinth through it
06:03 * pegasus looks for a more simplified example
06:07 MadManMarkAu1 In this, #menu and #content are both fixed width
06:07 MadManMarkAu1 How do you stop it from overflowing onto a new line?
06:08 MadManMarkAu1 Like, if I changed #box to 599pn instead of 600
06:08 MadManMarkAu1 err, #body
06:08 pegasus if you did that, it would overflow
06:09 MadManMarkAu1 I though it was a Bad Idea (with caps) to trust browsers to respect pixel perfection
06:09 pegasus in terms of text rendering, very much so
06:09 pegasus in terms of block element ratios, not really. if they zoom any element, they should zoom them all uniformly.
06:10 pegasus but as a general rule, never assume that the text will render how you have it.
06:10 MadManMarkAu1 So, let's say IE. IE won't surrepticiously add a 1px margin to a 0px element
06:10 pegasus the header of that page is plain text, and looks quite bad on some older installations of X11
06:11 pegasus i haven't had any strange rendering problems with block element widths specified in pixels, so long as i specify my box model to match MSIE6.0'
06:11 pegasus -'
06:11 MadManMarkAu1 Hrm
06:11 pegasus the weirdest glitch i've had on that page is that firefox freaked out and rendered italics wrong for a while there
06:12 pegasus you'll note that nothing on the entire site is italics
06:12 pegasus not all of the site is how i'd do it these days anyway, but it's a decent example to get you started
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 If I specify an element to be 600px wide, the browser (exclusing zooming) will never adjust that to less? If I resize the browser window, it'll just overflow?
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 Yaya
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 Starting is what I want
06:13 pegasus right, it'll drop a horizontal scroll bar in and overflow the page to the right
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 OH!
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 Then you just dump everything into a bounding box
06:13 Cprossu Unless it's postscript I don't trust anything.
06:13 MadManMarkAu1 THe brower will never screw up your layout then
06:14 pegasus right, that's what's done there :)
06:14 MadManMarkAu1 Yaya, I just got that
06:14 pegasus the page width is forever fixed to keep the browser from being screwy
06:14 MadManMarkAu1 That's the main reason I used tables, was because browsers dodn't move them around
06:14 MadManMarkAu1 *didn't
06:14 pegasus right, they scale
06:14 pegasus you technically can do that with divs, too, but it's uhh
06:15 pegasus less than ideal in some browsers
06:15 MadManMarkAu1 Right
06:15 MadManMarkAu1 If I want my page to be full width, does that significantly change the game?
06:15 pegasus and i think a page that renders 100% wide looks horrible
06:15 pegasus personal taste
06:15 LemPhone depends on the content
06:15 LemPhone image galleries etc work well
06:15 LemPhone text doesn't
06:16 pegasus if you want it to be 100% wide you want to specify column widths in percentages and know that some browsers will freak out with certain widths
06:16 pegasus floating point errors, essentially
06:16 LemPhone especially on a 16:9 screen
06:16 MadManMarkAu1 Let's say I have a similar layout to your page, pegasus, the "white" page
06:16 pegasus right
06:16 MadManMarkAu1 If I wanted the full width, what would need to change?
06:16 MadManMarkAu1 (I actually have a site like this, using tables ATM)
06:16 * pegasus digs through the source
06:17 * MadManMarkAu1 is a real stickler for not wasting screen space :P
06:17 MadManMarkAu1 More OCD
06:19 pegasus you'd have to specify ul#menu and div#content widths in percentages and know that when the page is too narrow it'll freak out and when some browsers are in weird screen widths (like a prime number) the calculations will flip out and sometimes overflow to the next "line"
06:19 pegasus you can specify a min-width, iirc, on the body element, and enforce a minimum, but you still have the prime number and bad math problem
06:20 MadManMarkAu1 So, without changing the DOM order much, it can be converted over?
06:20 pegasus http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_min-width.asp
06:20 pegasus there are some things in the DOM order that you'd want to change intentionally, but yeah
06:20 pegasus that site renders just fine in lynx, btw
06:21 MadManMarkAu1 heh, sweet
06:21 MadManMarkAu1 Ah well, thanks for the intro
06:22 MadManMarkAu1 I'll bookmark this page for reference
06:23 pegasus let me know if you need anything else
06:23 MadManMarkAu1 Will do :)
07:32 Sgt_Lemming mmm, home
07:37 MadManMarkAu1 This brought a tear to my eye: http://notalwaysright.com/making-a-huge-difference/11754
07:52 Sgt_Lemming 6 hours of standing around talking to strangers about 1 particular subject.... is strangely tiring
07:55 Sgt_Lemming MadManMarkAu1 http://notalwaysright.com/tit-for-tattoo/2955 <--- my fave one
08:02 pegasus what particular subject was that then
08:02 Sgt_Lemming Hackerspaces and repraps
08:02 Sgt_Lemming so kind of two subjects, but segueing from one to the other and back again all the freaking time
08:03 Sgt_Lemming only had one conversation about anything else all day, and it was some people asking me about the QR code on our fliers.
08:04 * pegasus ponders
08:05 pegasus six hours might be a bit much
08:05 Sgt_Lemming yeah
08:06 Sgt_Lemming I kinda wish some of the other guys had been there
08:07 Sgt_Lemming there were 2 other guys there, but one of them is barely involved in the hackerspace, and the other one's not so good at the spruiking side of things
08:10 pegasus ...is that a common word in your everyday life, spruiking?
08:11 pegasus ah, aussie slang
08:11 pegasus nevermind
08:11 Sgt_Lemming http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spruik
08:12 pegasus http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spruiking
08:12 pegasus we don't need no stinking wiktionary.
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08:20 Sasha_ oh hai
08:22 Sgt_Lemming hai
08:38 pegasus hey lemming, what's the rules down there on gun ownership?
08:38 pegasus legal/social
08:38 Sgt_Lemming ridiculously strict
08:39 pegasus not as bad as japan, i'd imagine?
08:39 Sgt_Lemming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
08:39 Sgt_Lemming nfi what japan is like
08:39 pegasus as i understand it, only swat teams and criminals have guns in japan
08:40 Thermoelectric Cops too?
08:40 pegasus and the military, of course
08:40 pegasus i may be wrong, but i've only ever seen police with batons in japanese media
08:42 pegasus and that is pretty nuts, no pump-action shotguns
08:43 pegasus no snub 38s?
08:44 Sgt_Lemming pretty much no handguns
08:44 Sgt_Lemming other than manual load handguns for target shooting
08:44 pegasus weird rules
08:44 pegasus "To be eligible for a Category H firearm a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun."
08:44 Sgt_Lemming knee jerk reaction after port arthur massacre
08:44 pegasus so only competitors can own them, apparently, which is odd
08:44 pegasus but no snub 38s is a very odd restriction
08:45 Sgt_Lemming not even allowed BB guns
08:45 Sgt_Lemming which is fucked
08:45 Sgt_Lemming utterly, utterly fucked
08:46 pegasus check this out
08:46 pegasus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law#Japan
08:46 pegasus also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Japan
08:47 pegasus "Without a licence, a Japanese citizen may not even hold a gun in his or her hands."
08:48 pegasus fantastic.
08:50 * pegasus goes to have a smoke in his neighborhood full of illegally owned guns with no fear of being shot because he's not a narc :b
09:00 pegasus so yeah, gun politics amuse me.
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09:38 Seroster Ahoy fellas
09:38 Sasha_ Hello Seroster
09:38 Seroster Sup?
09:46 Sasha_ nm… just found a 16gb usb stick for 10$ tho
09:55 Seroster O
09:55 Seroster http://notalwaysright.com/mommy-says-all-men-are-evil/12309
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10:03 MadManMarkAu1 Dammit, Seroster, I just closed NAR...
10:03 MadManMarkAu1 Now I'm reading it again
10:03 Seroster loooool
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10:17 Seroster Hey MadManMarkAu1 http://notalwaysright.com/making-a-huge-difference/11754
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13:30 Sgt_Lemming night all
13:30 CaptainNiobe goodnight lemming, sleep well :)
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14:36 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: maglinvinn on Geek Space Program.....maglinvinn on This is so spot on.
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14:43 tlockley Heyo
14:43 xanhs heyo
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14:50 injektion Hmm I need a network switch now
14:50 tlockley oh, running out of ports?
14:53 injektion tlockley, No my wifi bridge only has one port
14:54 tlockley ah
14:54 tlockley what are you using for a bridge?
14:54 injektion Should I buy new or should I get a used cisco one
14:54 injektion tlockley, apple airport express
14:54 tlockley depends on what you need to do.
14:54 tlockley A new linksys 5port 10/100 is like $30 i think
14:55 injektion I'm going to need more than that
14:55 tlockley 8, 16, 24, or 48?
14:55 injektion 16 is probably enough
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14:56 tlockley used cisco might not be a bad idea
14:56 tlockley but my knowledge of network gear prices is a little skewed because of the cost of shipping here
14:57 injektion 8 is where I max out
14:57 injektion 16 may be better
14:57 tlockley well 8 port linksys 10/100/1000 are like $50
14:58 injektion I don't want anything linksys for network hardware
14:58 tlockley well you know linksys is made by cisco
14:59 injektion I wouldn't trust linksys to save my life
15:00 tlockley i wouldnt trust their routers, but their switch gear is damn solid
15:02 injektion Cisco GBE switches are even expensive used :|
15:02 tlockley you may have better luck looking for linksys busisness class
15:02 injektion http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-111-031&amp;SortField=0&amp;SummaryType=0&amp;Pagesize=10&amp;PurchaseMark=&amp;SelectedRating=-1&amp;VideoOnlyMark=False&amp;VendorMark=&amp;IsFeedbackTab=true&amp;Page=2#scrollFullInfo
15:02 tlockley its just rebranded cisco gear
15:04 tlockley that is a good choice
15:04 tlockley the reality of swich gear is that for the most part they all use the same route chips
15:04 tlockley its just the addition of features like managed switches or l2 switching
15:05 tlockley that you will find when looking through different brands
15:05 tlockley for example, i have a DYNEX 10/100 switch that uses the same route chips as a linksys small biz 10/100 that i also use
15:07 injektion I started to realize that awhile back
15:08 tlockley or if you want to pay the shipping i'll send you a 48port netgear managed switch with SFP ports
15:08 tlockley the only knock to it is the fans need replacing
15:09 injektion That shouldn't be too hard I hope
15:09 tlockley no i dont think so, I would do it but I have no need for a 48port switch
15:10 tlockley they are three small fans along one side
15:11 injektion Also do you have an idea how loud this would be: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PWREDGE-840-NOOS-3R&amp;cat=SVR
15:11 tlockley about as loud as an average desktop
15:11 tlockley assuming the fan controller isnt busted
15:12 injektion I've owned tower servers before and they were quite loud
15:12 tlockley yah, the dell PE towers are about as loud as a custom built PC
15:12 tlockley now if you want something loud, get a mac tower or xserve
15:13 Seroster arrr.
15:13 tlockley hey Seroster
15:13 injektion tlockley, my mac pro isn't loud at all
15:13 injektion Even under 100% CPU and GPU load it's bearable
15:14 tlockley exactly, bearable
15:14 tlockley I have two xserves and a XS RAID
15:14 injektion That dual p3 poweredge I had was not bearable it was too loud too even sleep in the same room with it
15:14 tlockley its probably like 45dB in my basement
15:14 Seroster Ey lockey
15:14 Seroster tlockley*
15:15 Seroster cya in a bit
15:15 tlockley well enough geekery, i am off the the beach
15:16 injektion I want an xserve but it would have to be an intel one so I can use Windows server >_<
15:17 tlockley|beach well apple doesn't sell xserves anymore
15:17 tlockley|beach only mac pro servers
15:18 injektion I love my mac pro but not enough to buy another
15:19 tlockley|beach at this stage in the game, it is better worth the money to custom build a desktop with server components
15:19 injektion That PE has a max ram limit of 8GB :/
15:19 tlockley|beach and it will most likeyly be better than a MP
15:19 injektion I haven't seen a single PC case that I even like
15:20 injektion except for this one http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/level10/l10beauty_lw.jpg
15:20 tlockley|beach not even ther antec 1200?
15:20 tlockley|beach ttyl
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15:20 Cprossu I hate that one to be honest injektion
15:21 Cprossu it's such a piece of crap
15:21 injektion It looks so nice
15:21 Cprossu built one PC with it, never again.
15:21 Cprossu airflow is SHIT.
15:21 injektion I hate blue LEDs
15:22 Cprossu then remove them.
15:22 Cprossu 3 seconds.
15:22 injektion I find orange backlighting and LEDs easier on eyes
15:22 Cprossu I always have prefered green and red.
15:23 Cprossu or the multicolor green/red/mixed orange
15:24 Cprossu but as far as killer cases, lian li, antec, and cooler master are all good bets, the corsair cases are also a dream to work with.
15:24 Cprossu thermaltake, not so much, they tend to really fuck up their cases in one or numerous ways.
15:25 Cprossu silverstones are generally good... at cutting you with sharp edges, but to their point they've been getting better at QC lately
15:25 injektion ^ one thing I hate
15:26 Cprossu stay away from the level 10 then.
15:26 injektion I found something I like: http://www.corsair.com/media/catalog/product/5/0/500r-2.png
15:26 Cprossu very good case for watercooling too I may add.
15:27 Cprossu well priced too iirc
15:27 injektion I just find it unessacary to rice out a PC case like some people rice out crap japanese econoboxes
15:27 Cprossu I am with you there at least.
15:28 Cprossu my favorite case is the original Antec Sonata, or perhaps the 1080AMG
15:28 Cprossu http://itshootout.com/user_imgs/img/115.jpg
15:28 Cprossu http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/Images/277_Sonata_3.4view_large.jpg
15:28 injektion If I use the Mac Pro as a server I will probably find some reason to build another desktop and put a dent in the BMW turbo project
15:28 Cprossu I however am running an old P series
15:29 Cprossu let me find it
15:29 injektion I really want to get the BMW turbo kit for the M30 since that is safe and conservative enough so the engine doesn't blow
15:30 Cprossu Antec P160
15:30 Cprossu http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7sjfMxDmYjSUBQTva_ZxF3ApQIcxwSzi1RWq58eOTRG8awgPB0Q
15:30 Cprossu I got it on clearance for $30
15:30 injektion *shudder*
15:30 Cprossu been a good case for me and decent for brining to lan parties (read lightweight)
15:31 Cprossu you can't argue on the price though injektion for a totally aluminum case though.
15:31 injektion When I built my friends PC I gave him a very huge gigabyte EATX case which was shit
15:32 Cprossu generally the best 'cheap' cases
15:32 Cprossu are cooler master
15:32 Cprossu bar none.
15:34 injektion call me old fashioned but I prefer cases that allow me to use screws to secure hard drives
15:35 Cprossu you can use screws
15:35 Cprossu remove the quick release
15:35 Cprossu and there are screwholes.
15:35 Cprossu in nearly every one of their cases
15:36 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119161
15:36 Cprossu I've lost track how many computers I've built around this case.
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15:39 injektion What the fuck http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NzA0NDUz
15:39 Cprossu not a big fan of those
15:40 Cprossu being in AZ
15:40 Cprossu they are dust collectors.
15:42 Cprossu I personally want to know what kinda crack Lian Li was smoking when they came up with this thing -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112325
15:42 Cprossu mutsa been some good shit.
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15:43 Cprossu I hope I never have the 'pleasure' of building a machine with that case.
15:45 Seroster Major score
15:45 Seroster 25kilos of steel and copper
15:45 Seroster SparkyProjects, Guess who got a bigass 3phase motor =D
15:45 Cprossu hp?
15:45 SparkyProjects I wouldn't know :P
15:45 SparkyProjects :D
15:46 Seroster Cprossu... Is "heavy" a measurement for hp?
15:46 Cprossu look for a stamped metal plate Seroster
15:47 Seroster I just got it and it was insanely fucking heavy, mind if I take a break with a bottle of soda before I check the makerplate?
15:48 Seroster SparkyProjects, 3ph motors are generally inductance and hence not suitable for dc conversion, eh?
15:48 SparkyProjects Correct
15:48 Seroster Crap =P
15:48 SparkyProjects Only way to run them on DC is with an inverter
15:49 Seroster Then it's not DC anymore =P
15:49 SparkyProjects No, but it would be DC powered
15:51 Seroster Isnt there someone in here who used to work on elevators?
15:51 SparkyProjects Yes, me
15:51 Seroster Ah
15:51 Seroster *Insert random old joke*
15:51 Seroster Erm
15:51 SparkyProjects Yeah, i went up in the world :P
15:52 Seroster How many hp does a 500kg capacity elevator use?
15:52 SparkyProjects Depends on the gearing and the speed of the elevator
15:52 Seroster 8 floors in 25 seconds
15:52 Seroster Average consumer grade
15:54 SparkyProjects I only used to release trapped passengers, and get them going again if they failed, and if i couldn't i'd call the lift company
15:54 SparkyProjects But i know our 2 floor goods lift was 20 amps at 240 volts 3 phase
15:55 Seroster Can't you pull a number out of your ass "Something like 5hp" is what I want to hear =P
15:58 angy 1.21 gigawatts!
15:58 Seroster angy, This elevator wouldnt hit 88.8mph even if it was freefalling. =P
15:58 angy sadly, it won't
15:59 SparkyProjects Isn't there a rating plate ?
15:59 Seroster I dunno if this came from an elevator
15:59 Seroster That is what I want to find out
15:59 Seroster Because if you say "At least 10hp" this one can't come from an elevator
16:00 SparkyProjects and sorry, that was 415 volts, not 240 :P
16:00 [Python] Hello Botsteve !
16:00 BotSteve Word up [Python]!
16:06 Cprossu and you are sure Seroster that you don't have something like this on your motor?
16:06 Cprossu http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/dc/dc_motor_plate.jpg
16:07 Cprossu brb
16:08 Seroster A makerplate?
16:08 Seroster Ofc there is
16:08 Seroster But I wanted to rest a bit before I examined the motor
16:08 Seroster Åkerströms Falun (the factory)
16:08 Seroster Asynkronmotor 3(ac) 50
16:08 Seroster So three phases 50hz
16:09 Seroster Type K 5/4   serial number....
16:10 Seroster kW 0.37 0.5hp  r/m 1400    220v 1.73a  or 380v 1.0a
16:10 Seroster The bearings are smooth, fan guard ok
16:11 SparkyProjects Does't sound like an elevator motor, well not a big one anyway
16:11 Seroster Nope
16:11 Seroster It was mounted upside down
16:11 Seroster Hanging thatis.
16:12 Seroster Got some kind of clamp on the output shaft, and when you turn that clamp two degrees it stops the shaft. E-stop?
16:12 Seroster Connected to the clamp is a spring going to the motor case, so I really think that is an estop.
16:13 Seroster And a few screws I cant identify
16:13 Seroster Do you want a video, SparkyProjects?
16:14 Seroster My spider sense just sensed something, a spider living in it!
16:15 SparkyProjects Vid or photos would be good
16:15 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjocZZX6EEE Read the description
16:15 Seroster Ill get to that after I eat dinner
16:16 SparkyProjects That sounds about the same as ours were
16:18 injektion LOL: http://goput.it/m6w.png
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16:24 injektion I need to convert an ogg file to mp3
16:26 SparkyProjects 'Audacity' says it can import ogg, and i know it exports files as MP3
16:27 SparkyProjects If you haven't used Audacity, when you download you'll need to also download the 'lame' file for mp3, read the info there first
16:32 kafka http://www.livestream.com/kafkaisacat hexen, if anyone wants to watch
16:33 speedrunnerG55 Hey SparkyProjects
16:34 SparkyProjects Hi  :)
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16:36 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Tmb on This is so spot on......jaaz95 on This is so spot on.
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16:45 Cprossu SparkyProjects the lame encoder with audacity never works under 'doze'
16:45 Cprossu never.
16:45 Seroster Cprossu, Ofc it got a makerplate =P
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16:45 BotSteve At last!  My only friend!
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16:46 Cprossu lol all that drama and it's 1/2 hp
16:46 SparkyProjects Cprossu, i just know it works for me, and was suggested from the program :P
16:46 SparkyProjects i use xp
16:46 Cprossu I use xp too
16:46 Cprossu whenever I export as mp3
16:47 eadthem so im trying to figure out
16:47 Cprossu the result is always garbled
16:47 SparkyProjects I don't know what you mean by 'doze'
16:47 Cprossu windows.
16:47 eadthem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Induktionskochfeld_Spule.jpg  is the black tray that holds the coil in an induction cooker  plastic  or  ferrite/powder magnetic ceramics
16:47 Cprossu as in xp/xp 64/win 7, etc
16:48 speedrunnerG55 Hey Cprossu
16:48 eadthem what settings did you use for lame
16:48 eadthem as ive never had a issue with lame or audacity
16:48 Cprossu what's up speedrunnerG55? looking now eadthem.
16:49 SparkyProjects Well i've spent several months backing up all my vynils to hard drive, so far that's about 4000 tracks (both sides of the singles), and haven't had a problem
16:49 SparkyProjects And yes i'm using Audacity to record them
16:49 eadthem http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Induction_Cooker.JPG
16:49 Cprossu bit rate constant, qual 128 kbps, stereo
16:50 eadthem opening adacity 1.3 beta on xp pro
16:51 speedrunnerG55 Ill use virtual box tomorrow, and im using a ssd thats partitioned with 7 and linux mint. It anoys me there isnt the same amount of tools in linux as there is in windows when it comes to devices
16:51 eadthem opening MGMT - Time To Pretend.mp3
16:52 Cprossu hrmmm
16:52 Cprossu cool.
16:52 Cprossu I just uninstalled lame and installed the latestr
16:52 Cprossu *latestr
16:52 Cprossu it works for the first time ever!
16:53 Cprossu you know what a CD sounds like fast forwarding though eadthem?
16:53 Cprossu that's how my mp3 exports used to sound like
16:53 eadthem ya
16:53 eadthem play for 200mSec then skip a fue seconds and repate
16:54 Cprossu more like 1ms audio, 1ms nothing, 1ms audio, 1ms nothing, 1ms audio
16:54 SparkyProjects Cprossu, i had an issue when i opened an esisting file, it was like 3 minutes compressed into half a second :P
16:54 SparkyProjects Probably just a setting i needed to change.
16:55 eadthem im borrowing the lame dll from cdex
16:55 Seroster SparkyProjects, Ill make a video of the motor
16:55 SparkyProjects But i hardly ever do that, so not a problem
16:55 Seroster And try it
16:55 Seroster If it works good Ill sell it, if it doesnt work ill scrap it
16:55 eadthem or not   audacity says its incompaable
16:56 speedrunnerG55 Cprossu: What do you think about bootable PCIe SSD's
16:56 Cprossu cdex was an awesome program
16:56 Cprossu speedrunnerG55: avoid them like the plague
16:56 speedrunnerG55 Orly. Kk
16:56 SparkyProjects Seroster, if it''s 3 phase, you won't get it tor run properly on single
16:56 SparkyProjects There is a way if you have a capacitor, but it's not recommended, it's kinda noisy
16:57 eadthem audacity isnt giving me any lame encoding options
16:58 Cprossu 1.3.11-beta right eadthem?
16:58 eadthem 1.3 beta
16:59 eadthem all it has is a page that says  bitrate   preset,varable,average,constant     dropdown menu that says  qualaty in kbps  and  channal mode   jstereo or stereo
16:59 eadthem thats not lame
17:00 Cprossu all I know is that whenever I ran shit through lame bad things happened
17:02 eadthem if i open cdex  and go to its export settings i have  mpeg version    bitrate min   max     mode stereo,jstereo,forced stereo,mono   flags  private,checksum,orginal,copywrite   qualaty 0 thrue 9 + about 5 other special modes    VBR metehod 5 types     VBR qualaty 0-9   output samplerate 48 44 and 32ksps
17:03 eadthem using 256kbps  jstereo  fixed in audacitys poor excuse for a settings page
17:04 eadthem man audacitys a great program but theres something funny going on with there lame setup   its takeing 1 min to export the file
17:04 Seroster SparkyProjects, It says it can run on both 220 and 380
17:04 Seroster The maker plate says so
17:05 Seroster And there are... Options when it comes to the connection
17:05 Seroster So many brackets and bolts and wires it gives me a headace. =p
17:05 SparkyProjects Yeah, but 3 phase
17:05 SparkyProjects 220 is 3 phases of 120
17:05 Seroster Its made in sweden
17:05 Seroster Used in sweden
17:05 Seroster Thrown away in sweden
17:05 SparkyProjects And exported too :P
17:05 Seroster Wait a sec and ill video it =P
17:05 eadthem the audio is still good comming from audacity
17:06 eadthem what version of lame did you use?
17:06 Seroster Ah, someone made it in sweden, sent it to america, where it broke down and then was sent back to sweden for disposal? =P
17:06 Seroster Are you drunk, mate? =P
17:06 eadthem 3.98.3 for audacity is what i had to download
17:06 SparkyProjects Also, some equipment has transformers or speed controls from other countries, or as a safer operating vltage
17:06 Cprossu I have no clue what the old version I had was
17:06 Cprossu but the new one works fine as stated above
17:07 Seroster SparkyProjects, It looks like it can be rewired
17:07 Cprossu we have 2hp/480v motors for our locker room blowers at the lab lol
17:08 SparkyProjects Most motors can, there's usually 6 connections, star for 380, delta for 220
17:08 eadthem Cprossu seams exessive
17:08 Cprossu place used to be a YMCA
17:08 SparkyProjects Cprossu, that's because you have several supply options to the lab
17:08 Cprossu and it included the showers
17:09 Cprossu one of the impellers is really chewed up bad though
17:09 eadthem o womans and mens showers and lockerooms ?
17:09 Cprossu technically it was "adults and youth" when it was first planned
17:09 eadthem not so absurd if its covering all of that
17:09 Cprossu it was of course a yMca
17:09 SparkyProjects If 3 phase is available, it makes sense in one way to have 3 phase loads, as it balances them
17:10 Cprossu though the original blowers that were there, who knows
17:10 Cprossu the dodge bearings in that unit seemed to be from the late 70's early 80's
17:10 Cprossu motors were late 90's though
17:11 SparkyProjects The pool area is obviously set up as a male/female thing as there's 2 changing rooms
17:11 Cprossu SparkyProjects as stated
17:11 Cprossu it was youth and adults
17:11 Cprossu when it started
17:11 eadthem so who owned the bulding between the ymca and tgg
17:12 Cprossu churches and an ISP
17:12 Cprossu and a club(!?)
17:12 SparkyProjects And a game developer i believe
17:12 eadthem ?
17:12 eadthem dam
17:13 Cprossu but yeah it was 'mens/womens' by the early 60's
17:14 Seroster hm
17:14 Seroster SparkyProjects, uploading in a second
17:15 SparkyProjects It was 'skynet gaming' http://www.skynet-gaming.com/
17:15 Cprossu As far as we can tell Lumber mill owned property, group building YMCA procured property for $400,000 and put the building up in 1957, from there the gym was added shortly thereafter and a handball court after that. The handball court was then demolished to build the track downstairs (robotics), then 4 handball courts were built ontop of that (studios).
17:16 Cprossu long story short ^
17:17 SparkyProjects You may recognise the cafe here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiL4B126S_Y
17:17 SparkyProjects And here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkpFlu-d20&amp;NR=1
17:17 SparkyProjects And here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPS82UoQLcQ
17:18 SparkyProjects There are more vids if you look around
17:18 Cprossu going through them now. that explains the bathroom.
17:19 SparkyProjects Nice shot of the front window, you can see the shadow of the front porch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ps6GbPIv7I&amp;NR=1
17:19 eadthem whats ulx?
17:20 SparkyProjects I think ulx just had the cafe, and maybe someone else had the pool side and the courts
17:20 Seroster SparkyProjects, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2d_3DI7AWo
17:21 eadthem whats the motor for?
17:21 Seroster Doorstop =)
17:21 Seroster I have no idea. The dumpster rarely tells.
17:24 Cprossu I was wondering how they kid that building support
17:24 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99L4Lxqjw
17:24 Cprossu *kid=hid
17:24 SparkyProjects The motor is wired for star, on the rating plate there's the volts and amps for each type of connection (if you can make them out)
17:24 SparkyProjects That thing on the shaft looks like a brake, and would be connected to a solenoid
17:25 Seroster Or a string.
17:25 Seroster =P
17:26 Seroster I like that it doesnt stop the armature, just disconnects it from the shaft
17:26 SparkyProjects Cprossu, i got the info once i looked at streetview
17:26 SparkyProjects oh, so it's a clutch ?
17:27 Seroster Yeah
17:27 Seroster I connect/disconnect it a few times
17:30 SparkyProjects Cprossu, you probably already went to their channel http://www.youtube.com/user/ulxgr
17:30 SparkyProjects Look at some of the older vids
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17:33 Seroster SparkyProjects, so how do I wire it for single?
17:33 SparkyProjects Personally, i wouldn't :P
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17:34 Seroster Either I wire it for single or I scrap it
17:34 Cprossu I need to unplug my reset button now that I can move my chair.
17:34 SparkyProjects Though if you just pick a couple of the wires and apply power, it will likely buzz, then if you spin the shaft it should sorta spin
17:35 SparkyProjects I say you should sell/scrap, but no harm in basic testing
17:35 Seroster SparkyProjects, I won't fuck around with the outlet for my oven until I've ben studying to become an electrician for a year or so
17:36 SparkyProjects What was the current for star ?
17:36 SparkyProjects was it 1 amp ?
17:36 SparkyProjects If you just put a normal plug and cable on it, it will be under powered, that's the best way
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17:38 Seroster erm
17:53 SparkyProjects Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1Ahc1Qrw0
17:54 Seroster I don't understand a word.
17:54 Seroster When he learns to speak englihs I'll watch =)(
17:55 SparkyProjects You don't really need to listen to him, he has a diagram, and you can watch the results
17:55 speedrunnerG55 Who here plays minecraft?
18:02 eadthem i have
18:03 eadthem its a effective time sink
18:04 Cprossu I don't need any more addictions so I use eye cancer (low resolution textures) and the fact it's programmed in java to ignore it. =P
18:05 eadthem i started getting in to it
18:05 eadthem and quickly realised what was happening and  ran   fast
18:06 Cprossu I have friends who have delved more hours into it than I have delved into garrysmod. and built entire castles and horrible things with it
18:08 speedrunnerG55 Whats the best iphone irc client?
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18:12 eadthem whos iisi50mhz ?
18:14 speedrunnerG55 He is 50hz
18:14 speedrunnerG55 50mhz
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18:47 Sasha_ Y'all know what I find cute?
18:48 Sasha_ .log
18:48 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
18:49 Sasha_ A 1 year old that can not only speak,
18:49 Sasha_ but also distinguish the difference between an iPhone 3G, 4, and an iPad :P
19:02 masterofmonks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ZAXYyxd08
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19:39 kafka http://www.livestream.com/kafkaisacat golden sun and mah beautiful voice
19:40 Seroster Hrm
19:40 Seroster Sparkie
19:40 Seroster I love you, but I have decided to open up this motor. =P
19:41 SparkyProjects And ?
19:43 [Python] ...
20:00 Seroster And most likely it will not be put together again
20:06 SparkyProjects So, more copper for the scrap bin ?
20:06 SparkyProjects Maybe a foucault pendulum for your block of flats :D
20:08 Seroster Eh?
20:08 Seroster Yeah, sure. =P
20:08 Seroster I might make something fun from it too
20:08 Seroster Like... New anchor for the raft xD
20:15 eadthem ya know whats crazy  if my computers idle  my soundblaster is nothing but snap crackle pop
20:15 eadthem as soon as i load the cpu down mildly  it all works fine
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20:22 SparkyProjects Not sure how your soundblster works, but if SB has a volume that is cranked, and your computer has the volume low, that might be an issue
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20:26 speedrunnerG55 hi Toastdude
20:27 Toastdude Hi speedrunnerG55
20:27 Toastdude Whats up?
20:27 speedrunnerG55 nm
20:28 Toastdude Fun
20:29 speedrunnerG55 imah take a practise exam for the 702 exxam
20:30 * speedrunnerG55 runs total tester on wine
20:34 * speedrunnerG55 phew
20:37 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Radioactive on Japan devistated by 8.9 Magnitude quake and associated Tsunami
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21:17 Seroster Doesnt it look like Frodo gets an orgasm when he is stabbed in Moria?
21:27 tlockley|beach Cprossu, you alive?
21:32 speedrunnerG55 Cprossu, i took the practice exam for the 702, and got a 95% ^_^
21:35 speedrunnerG55 i used the total tester software program in the back of my book
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21:59 speedrunnerG55 speed_linux: ?
21:59 speedrunnerG55 You slippery little lisserd
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22:38 Seroster Good day tomorrow, SparkyProjects. Mekmek and elpra on the schedule.
22:38 Seroster Mechatronics, if that means anything to you?
22:39 SparkyProjects Not familiar with those names, but mechatronics does
22:39 Seroster Right
22:39 Seroster It's mekatronik in swedish
22:39 Seroster Elpra is practical electric
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22:40 SparkyProjects Well if you're doin electrics course, then it should start with the basics, like ohms law
22:42 angy don't burn down anything!
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22:49 Seroster SparkyProjects, Heh, yeah...
22:49 Seroster The people in my class are 16, I am 19.
22:49 Seroster I've got 3 years of experience plus a genuine interest in electricity
22:50 Seroster Most of them haven't changed a power plug.
22:52 kafka Seroster: how does one into audio gear company?
22:52 Seroster Erm?
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22:53 kafka Audio equipment is kinda my thing, amplifiers in particular
22:53 Seroster ...Right?
22:55 SparkyProjects I had done my Amateur exam at 16 (i think), but i already knew ohms law as electronics was a hobby for a few years, we also covered in in science physics when i was about 14, so when i started my electrical course i was 30 (ish), others in the class were 16-17.
22:55 SparkyProjects Heck, i had been doing electrical for about 10 years, the course was just for the records really
22:55 SparkyProjects So i spent a lot of time helping the teens :P
22:55 Seroster Heh
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22:55 Seroster I have already ben asked to buy booze.
22:56 SparkyProjects sorry, i was 26 when i took the exam :P
22:56 Seroster Right
22:56 Seroster But I also need it on paper
22:56 SparkyProjects Tat's why i had to do it
22:56 Seroster Employers rarely hire when you just say "I know this shit, trust me!"
22:58 SparkyProjects They wanted to promote me, so it was just proof on paper for the higher up's (was a government institute at the time), if i hadn't passed, i would have still been with the company afterwards, so nothing to lose
22:59 Seroster When you are pulled over the cop doesnt care if you say you can drive. You need that damn licence. xD
22:59 SparkyProjects Exactly
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23:13 Seroster Anyhow
23:13 Seroster Cya folks
23:13 SparkyProjects 'Night :)
23:13 Seroster BotSteve: tell BatSteve Gnight. ARRRGH!
23:13 BotSteve Seroster: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
23:13 speedrunnerG55 Hi BotSteve
23:13 BotSteve Hi speedrunnerG55
23:14 speedrunnerG55 Hi SparkyProjects
23:14 SparkyProjects Hi :)
23:18 speedrunnerG55 SparkyProjects: Guess what
23:18 SparkyProjects What ?
23:19 speedrunnerG55 I took a practice test for the a+ 702 on the testing program in the back of my textbook total tester
23:19 speedrunnerG55 And got a 95%
23:19 speedrunnerG55 ^_^
23:19 SparkyProjects Saw that earlier :)
23:19 SparkyProjects And congrats, you should do well on the real thing
23:20 speedrunnerG55 Im taking it in september
23:28 SparkyProjects The exam, or starting the course ?
23:30 speedrunnerG55 The exam
23:30 SparkyProjects Cool, good luck :)
23:30 speedrunnerG55 I started the course like...september last year
23:30 speedrunnerG55 >_>
23:31 speedrunnerG55 Thank you
23:31 SparkyProjects Ah, ok, i'm used to full term courses that start in september, and you take the exam in June
23:32 speedrunnerG55 Lol..
23:32 speedrunnerG55 This should have been two cources
23:32 SparkyProjects Colleges run the same as a school year
23:32 speedrunnerG55 One for electronics one for computers
23:33 speedrunnerG55 But its 4 classes in electronics then 4 classes of computers
23:34 speedrunnerG55 Heack, it should have been three classes making networking its own class
23:34 speedrunnerG55 The course went WAY too fast
23:34 speedrunnerG55 For annyone
23:35 SparkyProjects Well i would hope there's an 'advanced networking' course you can go on if needed
23:36 speedrunnerG55 Not in this school
23:37 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Radioactive on Japan devistated by 8.9 Magnitude quake and associated Tsunami.....SitkaGrown on Japan devistated by 8.9 Magnitude quake and associated Tsunami
23:38 SparkyProjects Maybe a college or another school you can attend as an evening class ?
23:38 SparkyProjects Over here they are giving schools 'college status'
23:38 SparkyProjects basically they are just schools, but you can go in as an outsider at any age to learn things and take a course, usually in the evenings
23:38 SparkyProjects Obviously you pay for it
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23:39 speedrunnerG55 Hi
23:39 SparkyProjects heh, looks like you'll have to learn how to control your irc connection, is there a course for it ? :D
23:40 speedrunnerG55 Hehe
23:41 speedrunnerG55 Wifi issues
23:41 speedrunnerG55 Must install a second wap
23:41 SparkyProjects I prefer wired
23:41 speedrunnerG55 Lol if i were the admin i would
23:41 speedrunnerG55 ...well im on my phone
23:41 speedrunnerG55 >_>
23:42 SparkyProjects ah
23:42 speedrunnerG55 It depends, normally im ok with wifi n
23:42 speedrunnerG55 But if im doing anyhing that must be secure i use wired
23:43 speedrunnerG55 And my wifi has EAS with WPA2 so im secure
23:43 speedrunnerG55 At home at least
23:43 * speedrunnerG55 isnt home at the momenr
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