Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-08-24

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00:00 wannabe1987 o yes
00:01 brando joined #thegeekgroup
00:04 Cprossu tlockley : http://www.tedlangdell.com/Graphics/St​uff%20for%20sale/bnerTextaPkg-wide.jpg
00:14 roadran322 joined #thegeekgroup
00:14 roadran322 Hello everyone!
00:15 roadran322 I ain't drinking arsenic!
00:17 wannabe1987 why owuld you ?
00:17 roadran322 Hahaha I was just being random XD
00:18 NeWtoz like using zipties to hang up your shower curtain because you forgot to get those metal rings
00:18 * NeWtoz just did that
00:18 wannabe1987 we coulda done that...
00:18 roadran322 ???
00:19 wannabe1987 apparently i told livefiretj not to do that...
00:19 NeWtoz I even used by colored zipties
00:19 Toastdude Hi roadran322
00:19 roadran322 Hey toastdude!
00:20 wannabe1987 what colors?
00:22 Toastdude have you been on here before roadran322?
00:22 tonsofpcs the colors duke, the colors!
00:23 roadran322 1once or twice talked to you on google docs before haha
00:26 wannabe1987 hi tonsofpcs
00:29 tonsofpcs hi
00:29 Toastdude Hi tonsofpcs
00:29 wannabe1987 made stuffed peppers for dinner, i put rice in them...bad idea.  don't like it that way :(
00:29 roadran322 I eat rice everyday lol at least white rice as far as I am concerened
00:29 wannabe1987 i love rice
00:30 roadran322 Is captain on?
00:30 wannabe1987 CaptainBoden
00:30 roadran322 Yep him lol
00:30 tlockley Cprossu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28978/AB2_0006.JPG
00:30 wannabe1987 prolly @ tgg stil.  its 8:30p
00:30 roadran322 When does he live 10? XD
00:30 roadran322 *leave
00:31 wannabe1987 10, 11, 12
00:31 wannabe1987 hes usually on here 8-10am
00:31 wannabe1987 est
00:32 wannabe1987 i see lightning, hear thunder :D
00:32 wannabe1987 Toastdude
00:32 roadran322 Haha, Also got a few Pentium 3, cpus the one that look like bricks anyone want?
00:32 tonsofpcs tlockley: addon floppy controller?
00:33 tlockley of sorts
00:33 tlockley is an old PS/2 from my basement
00:33 wannabe1987 http://www.facebook.com/notes/omg-y​oure-haitian-really/must-readbest-d​ivorce-letter-ever/249345708429674
00:33 tonsofpcs I'm trying to figure out what machine that is
00:33 tonsofpcs ah, ok
00:33 tlockley PS/2 Model 30
00:33 tonsofpcs oh, that's a RAM drive?
00:34 Cprossu lol no
00:34 roadran322 Anyone? XD I got no use lol
00:34 tonsofpcs it's hooked up to the mobo floppy bus...
00:34 Cprossu 8086+hdd+DD 720K floppy drive
00:34 Cprossu and that's for an external floppy tonsofpcs
00:34 tonsofpcs i didn't see that at first glance
00:34 Cprossu and it's really confusingly hooked up
00:34 tonsofpcs yea
00:34 Cprossu it's a ...'not MCA' ps/2
00:35 Toastdude What wannabe1987?
00:35 Cprossu ~1 year or less in production
00:35 wannabe1987 hi
00:35 tlockley hey wannabe1987
00:35 Toastdude Hi
00:35 wannabe1987 hi tlockley
00:35 tonsofpcs eh, they probably use those things as cash registers around here...
00:35 Cprossu meant to give office folks a 'ibm' to replace the XT and PC if they didn't buy the AT?!
00:35 Cprossu IBM did a lot of things backwards then.
00:35 tonsofpcs did? back then?
00:35 tonsofpcs ha!
00:36 Cprossu that machine is like a ...IBM cloned ibm clone
00:36 Toastdude And Hi Cprossu
00:36 tonsofpcs it could be worse.  It could be the Apple IIe clone.
00:36 crohakon Anyone seen Guardianzozo lately?
00:36 tonsofpcs who?
00:36 Cprossu haha tonsofpcs
00:37 Cprossu none of the elegance of the original though
00:37 Toastdude .seen Guardianzozo
00:37 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw guardianzozo 476.92 hours ago at 2011-08-04 03:41:57 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:37:13 UTC
00:37 crohakon damn
00:37 crohakon okay, thanks.
00:37 Toastdude Sorry
00:37 roadran322 .seen roadran322
00:37 BotSteve roadran322: I last saw roadran322 0.06 hours ago at 2011-08-24 00:34:13 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:37:58 UTC
00:38 wannabe1987 .seen zozo
00:38 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen zozo around.
00:38 wannabe1987 awww
00:39 Toastdude Hehe
00:39 Toastdude .seen BotSteve
00:39 BotSteve I'm right here, actually.
00:39 Toastdude Hi BotSteve!
00:39 BotSteve Yo Toastdude
00:39 roadran322 .seen @captainboden
00:39 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen @captainboden around.
00:39 tonsofpcs .seen myself
00:39 BotSteve tonsofpcs: I last saw myself 1389.61 hours ago at 2011-06-27 03:02:55 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:39:40 UTC
00:39 Cprossu hahahaha roadran322
00:39 tonsofpcs darn
00:39 roadran322 Hahaha
00:39 Toastdude .seen CaptainBoden
00:39 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw captainboden 9.17 hours ago at 2011-08-23 15:29:49 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:39:51 UTC
00:40 roadran322 .seen you
00:40 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen you around.
00:40 Cprossu .seen caffeine
00:40 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw caffeine 1305.35 hours ago at 2011-06-30 15:19:15 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:40:04 UTC
00:40 tonsofpcs .seen myself_in_a_mirror
00:40 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen myself_in_a_mirror around.
00:40 wannabe1987 lol
00:40 roadran322 .seen you
00:40 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen you around.
00:40 roadran322 Excuse me???
00:41 Cprossu .seen life
00:41 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen life around.
00:41 Myself joined #thegeekgroup
00:41 roadran322 lol
00:41 wannabe1987 .seen mylife
00:41 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen mylife around.
00:41 tonsofpcs lol
00:41 wannabe1987 i haven't either
00:41 life test
00:41 BotSteve life: I have the following messages for you:
00:41 BotSteve At 02 May 20:34Z, speedrunnerG55_ asked me to tell life you can I don't want your damn lemons. Do you k ow who I am
00:41 BotSteve At 02 May 20:36Z, speedrunnerG55_ asked me to tell life you can I don't want your damn lemons. Do you k ow who I am
00:41 roadran322 .seen anything
00:41 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen anything around.
00:41 mylife lol
00:41 roadran322 Lol
00:41 Toastdude .seen myself
00:41 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw myself 1389.65 hours ago at 2011-06-27 03:02:55 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:41:53 UTC
00:41 mylife lol
00:42 Cprossu your stuff works BatSteve-Away
00:42 Cprossu lol
00:42 roadran322 Lol
00:42 roadran322 .seen yourself and anythin
00:42 BotSteve roadran322: I last saw yourself 1389.68 hours ago at 2011-06-27 03:01:35 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:42:19 UTC
00:42 Myself .seen myself
00:42 BotSteve Myself: I last saw myself 1389.66 hours ago at 2011-06-27 03:02:55 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:42:28 UTC
00:42 Myself Darn...
00:42 roadran322 lol
00:42 Myself .seen myself
00:42 BotSteve Myself: I last saw myself 0.00 hours ago at 2011-08-24 00:42:34 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:42:40 UTC
00:42 Sgt_Lemming .seen BotSteve
00:42 BotSteve I'm right here, actually.
00:42 mylife lol
00:42 mylife .seen mylife
00:42 BotSteve mylife: I last saw mylife 0.00 hours ago at 2011-08-24 00:42:53 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:42:57 UTC
00:43 mylife .seen BatSteve
00:43 BotSteve mylife: I last saw batsteve 20.55 hours ago at 2011-08-23 04:10:12 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:43:04 UTC
00:43 roadran322 .seen a human life form
00:43 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen a around.
00:43 tonsofpcs .seen intelligence
00:43 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen intelligence around.
00:43 roadran322 Lol haha mylife XD
00:43 Sgt_Lemming stop tormenting the poor bot
00:43 Katemonster joined #thegeekgroup
00:43 life-form Sgt_Lemming why?
00:43 Sgt_Lemming because you are spamming the channel
00:43 tonsofpcs BotSteve: tell Sgt_Lemming I'm happy this way.
00:43 BotSteve tonsofpcs: I'll pass that on when Sgt_Lemming is around.
00:44 * kitchen is home
00:44 Katemonster AHA HAHAHA AUGH
00:44 * tonsofpcs is sleepy
00:44 kitchen hi Katemonster
00:44 kitchen tonsofpcs go to bed?
00:44 bathroom .still bathroom
00:44 Sgt_Lemming lo Katemonster
00:44 Katemonster hi
00:44 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: I have the following messages for you:
00:44 BotSteve At 00:43Z, tonsofpcs asked me to tell Sgt_Lemming I'm happy this way.
00:44 * kitchen wannabe
00:44 bathroom .seen bathroom
00:44 BotSteve bathroom: I last saw bathroom 0.00 hours ago at 2011-08-24 00:44:30 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:44:42 UTC
00:44 Sgt_Lemming lol
00:45 Toastdude O Hi Katemonster !
00:45 Guest84346 ...
00:45 Guest84346 wtf
00:45 Katemonster i breathed vaporized phosphoric acid today.  :(
00:45 yNos hello everyone
00:45 Guest84346 whoa...kitchen is a registered nick?
00:45 Guest84346 :P
00:46 roadran322 Hey ynos
00:46 Sgt_Lemming http://www.sinfest.net/comi​kaze/comics/2011-08-23.gif <--- lol
00:46 wannabe1987 hi yNos
00:46 Toastdude Ouch Kate
00:46 masterofmonks What the hell is with you guys doing crazy stuff like that?
00:46 yNos wannabe1987: ever make mole for your stuffed peppers?
00:46 Toastdude Hi masterofmonks
00:46 * Sgt_Lemming breathes huge sigh of relief
00:46 wannabe1987 mole?
00:46 wannabe1987 masterofmonks what stuff?
00:46 wannabe1987 bot spam?
00:46 yNos mo-lay
00:46 roadran322 lol
00:46 Sgt_Lemming so thankfully one of our members didn't piss the building owner off too badly yesterday
00:46 yNos is a chocoborth nummyness
00:46 wannabe1987 what is MOLAY
00:46 masterofmonks No, things like breathign vaporized phosphoric acid.
00:47 yNos **choco broth
00:47 Sgt_Lemming considering that we have the building gratis, pissing him off is a bad idea...
00:47 yNos yeah
00:47 yNos thats what i ment..
00:47 roadran322 I ain't drinking arsenic dude! (Random again XD)
00:47 Rahlon joined #thegeekgroup
00:47 Katemonster tomorrow, i'm wearing my gas mask
00:47 Katemonster x_x
00:47 Katemonster knasdfasdf
00:47 Sgt_Lemming ...?
00:48 masterofmonks Katemonster: I would suggest a ful face mask with OV filters.
00:48 Katemonster OV filter?
00:48 masterofmonks Organic Vapor.
00:49 Katemonster also, this is a spray-on rust remover; trying to recondition the surface of the wood jointer
00:49 Katemonster i wrongly assumed the spray was going to be a bit heavier and not so... misty
00:49 Toastdude BatSteve: !
00:49 masterofmonks Which is funny because phosphoric acid is an inorganic acid, but the OV filters do the job well.
00:49 Katemonster hmm
00:49 yNos i <3 spicy molay.. something like this.. http://www.chili-everyway.c​om/chicken-mole-recipe.html
00:49 BatSteve it's a good thing I have no respect for the bot, otherwise I'd be upset about all the spam
00:50 yNos only double the choco
00:50 roadran322 lol
00:50 yNos cocoa
00:50 Katemonster LOL
00:50 roadran322 Is batsteve batman just wondering?
00:50 Toastdude Lol
00:50 Katemonster batsteve: what spam?
00:50 Toastdude No
00:50 BatSteve roadran322: negative
00:50 Katemonster roadran322: yes
00:50 Katemonster :p
00:50 roadran322 What?
00:50 Cprossu tlockley : http://oi53.tinypic.com/2e4bz3q.jpg
00:51 Katemonster (no, he isn't)
00:51 wannabe1987 http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/im​ages/17/2011/08/1230-diy-rj-45-key-rack.jpg
00:51 roadran322 I confused lol
00:51 Cprossu tlockley : http://oi52.tinypic.com/ao6j4z.jpg
00:52 SparkyProjects BatSteve, why don't they build this into planes in the first place ?
00:52 SparkyProjects http://news.softpedia.com/news/11-000-iPads-​to-Replace-Paper-Manuals-and-Navigation-Char​ts-for-United-Airlines-Pilots-218240.shtml
00:52 Sgt_Lemming SparkyProjects, cause the manuals and shite are different for every flight
00:53 Sgt_Lemming also, replacing a paper manual, with which nothing can really go wrong
00:53 Sgt_Lemming with an ipad...
00:53 SparkyProjects I always thought pilots only carried their sandwiches and overnight stuff in their bags
00:53 Sgt_Lemming that's a really REALLY retarded idea
00:53 BatSteve nope, we carry pounds of paper charts with us too.
00:54 Sgt_Lemming replace it with something that has an e-ink screen for a start, and something that has much simpler and hence more robust software
00:54 masterofmonks What is the granularity of the charts you carry?
00:54 BatSteve SparkyProjects: in some planes, they do build it in
00:54 BatSteve every 56 days when updates come out, you download them to a flash drive, plug the new charts into the plane, and off you go
00:54 BatSteve it's awesome
00:55 BatSteve the iPad is an off-the-shelf solution to the same problem
00:55 Sgt_Lemming with a 10 hour battery life... at bes
00:55 Sgt_Lemming best*
00:55 BatSteve its' nice because you don't have to replace the installed equipment in the plane, which is a pain in the butt because then you need a new type certificate for it
00:55 wannabe1987 hi BatSteve
00:55 BatSteve hi wannabe1987
00:55 roadran322 .seen laughs
00:55 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen laughs around.
00:55 wannabe1987 NO LAUGHS FOR YOU!
00:56 roadran322 HAHA lol
00:56 wannabe1987 :D
00:56 BatSteve I personally am very excited for electronic flight bags (iPad or whatever else)
00:56 BatSteve the ipad was just the first one to hit the market
00:56 BatSteve I've used the software, it's VERY slick
00:56 roadran322 .seen hygeine
00:56 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen hygeine around.
00:56 Sgt_Lemming BatSteve, I work for apple, I know how unreliable the iPad can be
00:56 Sgt_Lemming that is what worries me
00:57 roadran322 How do I set away?
00:57 BatSteve roadran322: use /nick roadran322-away
00:57 roadran322 Thanks haha
00:57 BatSteve masterofmonks: what do you mean by granularity?
00:58 Toastdude Bye roadran322-away
00:58 masterofmonks Level of detail.
00:58 Rahlon any c++ geeks on?
00:58 SparkyProjects Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/user/JeppesenTraining
00:59 Katemonster rahlon: i drink lots of orange juice.  does that count?
00:59 Sgt_Lemming more worried about the hardware reliability SparkyProjects
00:59 Rahlon no but at least your healthy :D
00:59 SparkyProjects No reason the software couldn't be developed for something you feel more reliable
01:00 BatSteve uh
01:01 BatSteve it's still difficult to know what kind of answer to give you.  The charts go from a 1:250000 scale down to a 1:50000 scale
01:01 BatSteve They show varying amounts of information depending on your purpose.
01:01 BatSteve you can see them if you want
01:01 BatSteve http://skyvector.com
01:03 SparkyProjects Batsteve, with the EFB, do pilot and co-pilot have one each ?
01:03 BatSteve also, Sgt_Lemming, the wording of the regulation requires that there either be two independent ipads in the cockpit or else one ipad and a paper backup
01:03 BatSteve SparkyProjects: funny you should ask that, see above
01:03 BatSteve (:
01:03 SparkyProjects :D
01:03 Sgt_Lemming kk
01:03 Sgt_Lemming please tell me the pilots aren't allowed to add other software to them though?
01:04 BatSteve Now I'm not sure what that'll mean for when apple pushes an auto-update that bricks both pads at the same time
01:04 BatSteve but...hey, flying is an adventure, right?
01:04 Sgt_Lemming yup
01:04 BatSteve I presume that there will be some sort of facility to prevent Angry Birds from being installed
01:05 Sgt_Lemming rofl
01:05 Katemonster flying should always be an adventure.
01:05 BatSteve just as I'm sure that all the pilots are going to have their own ipads anyway which they'll be playing it on while the autopilot flies the plane
01:05 roadran322 I'm back Muahaha
01:05 Katemonster VFR in heavy fog.  adventure.
01:06 BatSteve heavy in fog, VFR....even more adventure
01:07 Sgt_Lemming Hevay fog, VFR, at night...
01:07 SparkyProjects I always find heavy fog during the day worse than at night, the sun refracts within the fog
01:08 Sgt_Lemming true
01:08 Toastdude Heavy fog, VFR, night, and non functioning instruments...
01:08 Sgt_Lemming lol
01:08 Sgt_Lemming that would be what VFR generally means Toastdude
01:08 Sgt_Lemming otherwise it's IFR
01:08 Katemonster and no landing gear.
01:08 Toastdude I know...
01:08 MoxieMike uh, land
01:08 Toastdude And no contol surfaces
01:08 MoxieMike get the plane down
01:09 Sgt_Lemming lol
01:09 Toastdude *control
01:09 SparkyProjects Heavy fog in front of a mountain at night :P
01:09 tonsofpcs uh...
01:09 Katemonster now that's just unfair toast.
01:09 Sgt_Lemming anyone here ever been to wellington airport in New Zealand?
01:09 MoxieMike keep in mind that some clouds contain a 737
01:09 Toastdude While youre blind :P
01:09 yNos what do you mean, he pilots paper planes all the time...
01:09 Sgt_Lemming that's a scary airport to land at
01:09 MoxieMike never been
01:10 Sgt_Lemming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_airport
01:10 Katemonster there should be a flight sim that has Kim Reed-Campbell's survival flight as an available scenario.
01:10 Sgt_Lemming heh
01:10 Sgt_Lemming DCS A-10 could do it
01:10 Sgt_Lemming just have to edt it in
01:11 Toastdude I'd like to build an old plane... Fabric skin
01:11 masterofmonks Hmm this gum is wrong.
01:11 masterofmonks It tastes just like an apple pie.
01:13 BatSteve wonka-tastic
01:13 pegasus http://pegasus.pimpninjas.org/math.html
01:13 * pegasus afk
01:15 roadran322 joined #thegeekgroup
01:15 roadran322 Back
01:15 Toastdude That'd be weird to have to fly when you're blind
01:15 Toastdude Wb roadran322
01:17 BatSteve blind meaning your eyes don't work, or blind meaning you can't see out the windscreen?
01:17 SparkyProjects Couldn't find the right vid, but this one is a recreation that's faithful in detail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLphTxDix-c
01:17 BatSteve they are both weird, one is more possible than the other
01:18 Toastdude blind meaning your eys don't work
01:18 Toastdude *eyes
01:18 BatSteve That'd be super weird
01:18 BatSteve yes
01:20 Katemonster that scene in Scent of a Woman would have been so much more exciting with a Beech King Air instead of a Ferrari.
01:20 BatSteve BotSteve: Break Time!
01:20 roadran322 .seen sleep
01:21 Katemonster .seen botsteve
01:21 roadran322 Whow steve quit lol
01:21 BatSteve nope
01:21 BatSteve he's just on break
01:21 SparkyProjects found the full programme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pql4q-1OB0w
01:22 Toastdude I a windows x86 the same as 32-bit?
01:22 masterofmonks http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3​A%2F%2Ft.co%2FByUHlJS&amp;h=8AQAspXapA​QDL7VGLU5rd9vCfjUD2_C9A1ecAI9ozQQ2B5g
01:22 Sgt_Lemming Toastdude, yes
01:22 Toastdude Okay
01:22 Toastdude Thanks Sgt_Lemming
01:23 Sgt_Lemming 64 bit is x64 or x86-64
01:23 Sgt_Lemming np
01:23 * wannabe1987 pokes someone
01:23 * Toastdude pokes wannabe1987
01:24 * wannabe1987 got poked back
01:24 * Toastdude still doesn't poke Katemonster in fear of the broken finger
01:24 wannabe1987 lol
01:24 Katemonster damn, he's getting smarter.
01:25 * Sgt_Lemming pokes Katemonster with both hands behind his back
01:25 Sgt_Lemming :-P
01:25 pegasus classy
01:25 wannabe1987 o.O  what'd you poke with then?!
01:25 wannabe1987 or don't i want to know
01:25 Toastdude ...
01:25 masterofmonks *cough*
01:25 BatSteve his mighty brain, obviously
01:25 * Toastdude pokes Katemonster with his face
01:25 Sgt_Lemming lol
01:26 Katemonster master of monks: turn your head when you do that.
01:26 wannabe1987 LOL
01:26 * Katemonster breaks toast's face
01:26 * Toastdude 's face is broken
01:26 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
01:26 wannabe1987 whered BotSteve go?
01:26 BatSteve went on break
01:26 * Toastdude 's face is made of self-healing bread
01:26 BatSteve he's back now
01:26 * wannabe1987 wants ice cream...brb
01:27 Toastdude Welcome back BotSteve
01:27 wannabe1987 its good to be back
01:27 Katemonster toast, it's kind of like this. http://images.coveralia.com/audio/a/Ali​ce_In_Chains-Greatest_Hits-Frontal.jpg
01:27 Toastdude Ouch...
01:28 * Toastdude air pokes Katemonster
01:28 * wannabe1987 bites next person who pokes her.
01:28 wannabe1987 HARD
01:28 yNos am ok with that.
01:28 * Katemonster pokes wannabe1987
01:28 * Toastdude doesn't poke wannabe
01:28 yNos am def ok with that
01:28 * Sgt_Lemming uses Toastdude's hand to poke wannabe1987
01:29 yNos alright kids, the power just went out and i have a few minutes to shutdown the router..
01:29 yNos have a good night
01:29 * Toastdude breaks Sgt_Lemming's hand
01:29 * Katemonster bites exor674, while she's at it.
01:29 Toastdude Night yNos
01:29 Sgt_Lemming meh
01:29 * yNos waves
01:29 * exor674 biet!@
01:29 Sgt_Lemming wouldn't be the first time
01:29 Katemonster bye nos
01:29 Katemonster lol, biet?
01:30 Toastdude I take it you broke your hand multiple times?
01:30 Sgt_Lemming dude, not just my hand
01:30 Sgt_Lemming lemming is a well earned nickname
01:30 Katemonster sgt_lemming was run over by a tank.
01:31 Toastdude Seriously?
01:31 Katemonster this totally happened.
01:32 Katemonster seriously serious.
01:32 Sgt_Lemming lol
01:32 Sgt_Lemming no, but I have done some pretty epic ones
01:32 Sgt_Lemming including breaking my leg so badly my big toe was touching my knee
01:32 wannabe1987 ow
01:33 Toastdude Ow... How'd that happen?
01:34 Sgt_Lemming hit a ditch on a trail bike going about 80kmh, over the handle bars and leg hit a tree
01:34 Katemonster When I was one, I was dropped on the porch. When I was two, I had pneumonia. When I was three, I got the chicken pox. When I was four, I fell down the stairs and broke six ribs. When I was five, my uncle was decapitated by a watermelon. When I was six, my parents hit me in the head with a shovel. When I was seven, I lost my index finger to my pet rat. When I was eight, my dog Spike got hit...
01:34 Katemonster ...by a tractor.  When I was nine, my mother lost her arm to a rabid Brahmin. When I was ten, my sister was torn to bits by a pack of dogs. When I was eleven, my grandfather killed himself because I was ugly. When I was twelve, my grandmother killed herself because I was ugly. When I was thirteen, my father poked out his eyes with a pitchfork in a drunken stupor. When I was fourteen, my...
01:34 Katemonster ...brother lost his hand to a wallaby. When I was fifteen, my aunt choked to death on a chicken bone. When I was sixteen, I lost my cousin to a badger. When I was seventeen, I cut off my left big toe with a hoe. When I was eighteen, my father lost his right leg to the same tractor that killed my dog. When I was nineteen...
01:34 Toastdude :O
01:35 BatSteve and a partridge in a pear tree?
01:35 wannabe1987 ...
01:35 Katemonster .........now who can tell me what that's from?
01:36 * wannabe1987 has never had the chicken pox
01:36 Toastdude Neither have I
01:37 wannabe1987 o.O a normal rain/thunder storm...
01:40 yNos joined #thegeekgroup
01:41 yNos yay power!
01:41 yNos for now.
01:45 wannabe1987 power go out, yNos
01:46 pegasus http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psyton
01:46 yNos we lose power all the time.
01:47 yNos i have one of my old WRAP boards wired up with a dsl modem into a battery so i get about 6 hours of internet when the power is out.
01:47 yNos no knowing how long the power can be out, i like to conserve as much as possible.
01:47 wannabe1987 your house looses power often?
01:47 wannabe1987 odd
01:47 wannabe1987 sounds like haiti
01:48 yNos we live out in the cou ntry and are not high on the list when the power goes out.
01:48 pegasus our house goes dark about four times a year
01:48 pegasus and i live in the city
01:49 yNos power goes out a few times a month..
01:49 pegasus which explains why i only have the one UPS with about a half hour of runtime
01:49 Sgt_Lemming yNos, does your WRAP board have a PCI slot?
01:50 yNos so all the major things have batteries.
01:50 yNos yeah, 1 mini-pci, 3 10/100
01:51 Sgt_Lemming ah ok
01:51 Sgt_Lemming I meant full size
01:51 yNos nope
01:51 yNos done need them for a router.
01:51 yNos just need wireless and ethernet
01:51 Sgt_Lemming cause there is an australian company that does PCI ADSL2+ cards
01:51 yNos oooo
01:51 * Sgt_Lemming nods
01:51 Sgt_Lemming I have one in mine
01:51 Sgt_Lemming tis awesome
01:52 yNos how much do they run and do they have bsd support?
01:52 yNos or.. are they open source so we can make bsd support?
01:52 Sgt_Lemming it's basically a conexant modem/router chipset on a card, wired directly to an RTL8139 ethernet controller
01:52 yNos hmm
01:52 yNos that's easy enough
01:52 Sgt_Lemming if the OS supports the RTL8139, then it supports the card
01:52 yNos how much do they run?
01:53 Sgt_Lemming they aren't amazingly cheap, but worth it for the convenience, and they are epically stable
01:53 Sgt_Lemming $130 AUD is what I payed for mine
01:53 yNos hmm
01:53 Sgt_Lemming but to have a router box that requires a whole 3 cords is nice
01:53 Sgt_Lemming Ethernet, line and power
01:53 yNos what company makes them?
01:53 wannabe1987 .seen lwq1996
01:53 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw lwq1996 21.52 hours ago at 2011-08-23 04:22:23 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:53:45 UTC
01:53 wannabe1987 awww
01:54 Sgt_Lemming http://www.rocksolidelectroni​cs.com/pages/products/v1.php
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01:55 wannabe1987 hi Toastdude
01:56 yNos i have been thinking of moving it to a bigger machine... consolodating the storage frame into the router...
01:56 Toastdude Hi wannabe1987
01:56 Toastdude Hi yNos
01:56 Sgt_Lemming nah, having file sever and router on one machine is just asking for trouble
01:56 Sgt_Lemming the less services running on the router the better imho
01:56 Sgt_Lemming less chance of an unpatched vuln
01:57 Toastdude Darn, Lee should get back on...
01:57 yNos i am pretty confident of openbsd's nfs
01:57 yNos and PF is pretty nice too
01:58 yNos i like the blinky lights.
02:03 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell Toastdude that lee is taking pics of aircraft for you
02:03 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when Toastdude is around.
02:03 Toastdude What?
02:03 BotSteve Toastdude: I have the following messages for you:
02:04 BotSteve At 02:03Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell Toastdude that lee is taking pics of aircraft for you
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02:04 wannabe1987 here, i'll let lee tell you....
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02:05 yNos Sgt_Lemming: would be nice if there was something like that in a minipci formfactor
02:05 lwq1996 TOAST
02:05 lwq1996 im taking pictures for you
02:06 Sgt_Lemming yNos, you can get mini-pci to pci adaptors :-P
02:06 Sgt_Lemming or do what I did, and use a HP thin client that has a pci slot
02:07 Toastdude lwq1996: !
02:07 lwq1996 big fighter planes
02:07 lwq1996 they fly like 2 football fields above me
02:07 * wannabe1987 minimizes irc so she can do these quizzes
02:08 tonsofpcs quizzes?
02:08 lwq1996 but they do it like 2miles away fro me
02:08 * tonsofpcs is playing "sugar, sugar"
02:08 BatSteve .yt hey there delilah
02:08 BotSteve BatSteve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJtYqBYCV8
02:08 lwq1996 batsteve?
02:08 BatSteve what's up lwq1996?
02:08 yNos Sgt_Lemming: my network is not as easy as most peoples.. i have a mock NOC with about 6 machines on a seperate vlan running bdgp for my routing lab.. then the upstairs wireless and the non-lab household network. and the dsl coming in..
02:09 lwq1996 im in virginia batsteve
02:09 yNos 6 machines being 3 HP 9000's, 2 openbsd and one hopefully soon to be running as400.
02:10 ajprog_laptop noc?
02:10 lwq1996 batsteve never go to a super8 motel...so dirty
02:10 yNos Network Operations Center..
02:10 Sgt_Lemming yup, I run a network for a church here we hold LAN's, 2 ADSL2+ annex m links to the outside world, into a gigabit core switch, 4 gig trunks to the blade centre, 4 port trunks to the other 2 buildings
02:10 yNos netowrk is setup similar to work sith a few vlans on the rack so i can test different things w/o fcking with the work network
02:11 Sgt_Lemming seperate vlan for church official stuff and for the LAN's
02:11 yNos at work we have 4 HP superdome 2s in 2 seperate datacenters abt 30 miles apart with 96 pair of fibre running 4 different routes.
02:12 Sgt_Lemming nice :-D
02:12 BatSteve ok
02:12 lwq1996 .yt Candy Nuke! (Boom)
02:12 yNos not sounting the IBM storage arrays, their fibre and all the stuff feeding the zOS machine
02:12 BotSteve lwq1996: http://www.youtube.com/user/dawnydawny123
02:12 lwq1996 that was supose to go to household hacker
02:13 tonsofpcs 96 pair of fibre?
02:13 tonsofpcs so twice thaat in strands?
02:14 yNos yup
02:14 Sgt_Lemming one for each direction tonsofpcs
02:14 tonsofpcs Sgt_Lemming: learn to token ring ;)
02:14 yNos that is just our fibre.. not counting the storage guys stuff.
02:14 Sgt_Lemming tonsofpcs, been there done, earned a few extra gray hais
02:14 Sgt_Lemming hairs*
02:15 yNos our fibre bundles are as big as my arm..
02:15 yNos you can run fibrechannel raisy chained like token ring.
02:15 yNos ftl
02:15 Sgt_Lemming yeah
02:15 Sgt_Lemming it sucks
02:15 injektion I want to play around with AS/400 but I don't know what to do with it
02:15 Sgt_Lemming much rather do proper aggregation
02:16 yNos Sgt_Lemming+1
02:16 yNos injektion: i need to find a twinax 5250 term
02:16 injektion I'd just probably look at the terminal screen and be like"??. what the fuck do I do here"
02:16 tonsofpcs injektion: use it as a table?
02:17 yNos step one: learn cobol
02:17 yNos step 2: stab self in face for learning cobol
02:17 tonsofpcs step tw*o:
02:18 injektion Step 0: Why learn COBOL when it's dead
02:18 tonsofpcs wish you had learned APL instead of COBOL
02:18 yNos there is a shitload of cobol out there.
02:18 injektion In legacy systems
02:18 Cprossu .log
02:18 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
02:18 yNos there is no way our finance group will ever let go of that GD mainframe
02:19 yNos banks and financial institutions are why it is still there.
02:19 injektion How much are they paying in IBM support costs?
02:19 yNos lots.
02:19 yNos but.. how many other systems can they replace a backplane and keep running?
02:20 injektion Not many
02:20 yNos or replace more than half the proc books while still running?
02:20 yNos that is the big selling point..
02:21 yNos they have N+N^2 redundancy in some systems.
02:21 injektion What modern applications does an AS/400 even have
02:21 yNos as long as there is power, it will keep running.
02:21 yNos as/400
02:21 yNos i dont know
02:21 yNos it all costs an arm and a leg
02:21 injektion I've seen AS/400 systems on craigslist before
02:21 yNos i was going to see hwat they left on here for me...
02:22 injektion I want one but I don't know if I should even bother
02:22 yNos i even have the 8 inch floppy that they paid shitloads for because the system 32 they had from the late 70s had backups on those disks...
02:22 yNos make sure you get at least one term if you get one... they are neigh impossible to find.
02:24 injektion What about terminal emulation software
02:24 injektion Like Client Access
02:24 yNos need to have TCP or SNA setup first.
02:24 yNos cant set that up w/o a terminal.. on mine anyway.
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02:27 lwq1996 wb toast
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02:27 Toastdude Thanks
02:30 injektion I'd like one for some financial software but I don't think there is any freeware in that category
02:31 injektion I'm trying to find a text based invoicing system
02:32 yNos it comes with a compiler, what more do you need ;P
02:33 lwq1996 grrr cox internet sucks
02:33 injektion yNos, I don't know how to code
02:34 yNos Well, you seem to speak english fairly well.. now its just time to work on the logic part.
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02:35 lwq1996 toast wtf
02:35 Toastdude Changed to XChat
02:35 lwq1996 oh
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02:36 masterofmonks Toastdude: does it feel better?
02:36 lwq1996 masterofmonks can i have a question
02:37 Toastdude Yes it does :D
02:37 injektion yNos, Still not helping here :P
02:37 masterofmonks For +v "What kind of elementry particle is an electron?"
02:38 Toastdude Subatomic? Idk...
02:38 yNos i am just jabbing at ya
02:38 Obtuse_ taking a guess here, a quark?
02:39 lwq1996 neutrino
02:39 masterofmonks Wrong on all counts.
02:39 yNos a positive one?
02:39 lwq1996 leptrons
02:40 masterofmonks lwq1996: try it without the "r"
02:40 lwq1996 leptons
02:40 Toastdude Bye
02:40 Obtuse_ lepton?
02:40 masterofmonks For a bonus question, name another lepton.
02:40 lwq1996 ah it was sidways
02:40 Obtuse_ i have never heard of this.
02:40 lwq1996 muon
02:41 masterofmonks lwq1996: you can't get +vV
02:41 lwq1996 i can get a +o
02:41 masterofmonks Not today.
02:41 yNos neutreno?
02:41 yNos lorf
02:41 lwq1996 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle
02:42 yNos yay
02:42 yNos i have a voice!
02:42 lwq1996 lol...ynos is awesome now like me and botsteve and all of the operators
02:42 yNos i dyslexified hadrons and lol'd a particle physics.
02:43 yNos ok, time for bed
02:43 yNos g'night all
02:43 lwq1996 AWE
02:43 lwq1996 oke
02:43 lwq1996 night ynoz
02:44 * yNos|away waves
02:44 lwq1996 night ynos
02:45 masterofmonks Wait wait wait..
02:45 masterofmonks There were 22 seasons of Survivor?
02:45 lwq1996 lol
02:46 masterofmonks And a 23rd upcomming?
02:46 lwq1996 lol
02:46 lwq1996 is giligans island count as surviver
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02:54 wannabe1987 LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:55 lwq1996 hi
02:55 wannabe1987 try this: http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/finger​spelling/fingerseek/fingerseek001.pdf
02:55 * BatSteve does battle with numbers
02:55 BatSteve-Away back in a while
02:55 wannabe1987 hope you win, bats
02:55 lwq1996 o.0
02:56 wannabe1987 what, lee?
02:56 wannabe1987 BotSteve, should i have vodka tonight?
02:56 BotSteve Maybe
02:56 lwq1996 what is he going to win
02:56 wannabe1987 battle with numbers, duh
02:56 lwq1996 oh
02:59 wannabe1987 theres a light show going on outside :D
03:00 lwq1996 0.0 awe -____-
03:03 wannabe1987 o.O thunder!
03:05 wannabe1987 i love me some thunder
03:05 injektion I love how the software I want does not exist
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03:14 wannabe1987 injektion lol
03:15 wannabe1987 what software do you want...find someone to write it!
03:15 injektion All I want is a text based invoicing system
03:28 ajprog_laptop why does it have to be text based?
03:29 wannabe1987 he left...
03:38 Sgt_Lemming heh
03:39 Sgt_Lemming there are some pretty decent java ones out there that are mostly text, but they still have a GUI
03:41 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: to run on the AS/400, of course!
03:42 ajprog_laptop in COBOL, I am not going to touch that one
03:56 wannabe1987 raining harder now...
03:56 wannabe1987 o.O
04:03 * wannabe1987 needs a hug. and a "its gonna be ok"
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04:22 wannabe1987 hi NeWtoz
04:22 wannabe1987 how goes work?
04:22 wannabe1987 is it rianign hard up there?
04:22 wannabe1987 raining*
04:22 NeWtoz-phone Not hard
04:23 NeWtoz-phone To both questions
04:23 NeWtoz-phone Windy though
04:27 BatSteve and I'm back
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04:27 speedrunnerG55 Hi
04:28 * speedrunnerG55 pokes wannabe1987
04:28 * speedrunnerG55 pokes BatSteve
04:28 BatSteve hi speed
04:29 speedrunnerG55 >.< i didnt get anyhing done after school
04:29 speedrunnerG55 T_T
04:29 BatSteve bummer
04:29 BatSteve ):
04:29 BatSteve be right back
04:29 speedrunnerG55 Ok
04:29 wannabe1987 ...
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04:30 BotSteve Welcome back, boss.
04:31 wannabe1987 why don't people listen to reason?!
04:37 wannabe1987 you don't know things unless you've been taught them in your life.  if you haven't been taught to talk things out you won't know to talk things out until its too late....
04:40 NeWtoz-phone Oh dang, took too long of a break
04:45 speedrunnerG55 Oh my wannabe
04:45 wannabe1987 what, speed?
04:45 speedrunnerG55 Oh my, wannabe*
04:46 speedrunnerG55 Ughh, whats the context?
04:48 speedrunnerG55 Wannabe^
04:51 wannabe1987 context?
04:51 wannabe1987 talking aobut people...
04:51 speedrunnerG55 Oh
04:52 wannabe1987 sry can't say more
05:01 speedrunnerG55 Kk
05:08 wannabe1987 gonna have to sleep on the couch again :sigh:
05:08 wannabe1987 i want the cough to go away, i want my bed back!
05:11 * wannabe1987 goes to bed
05:21 Cprossu fwiw if you know cobol you can make a shit ton of money.
05:22 Cprossu but you'll be stabbing yourself in the hand a lot.
05:22 wannabe1987 hi Cprossu
05:22 Cprossu hey wannabe1987
05:22 wannabe1987 hows az?
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05:33 BotSteve Seroster's here.  Hide yo' kids.  Hide yo' wife.
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05:35 speedrunnerG55 Wannabe why must u sleep on the couch?
05:35 speedrunnerG55 Thats not good for u
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05:44 speedrunnerG55 Hi Thermoelectric
05:45 Thermoelectric Hai Speed.
05:45 speedrunnerG55 BatSteve: You here?
05:46 speedrunnerG55 Good night everyone
05:46 Thermoelectric Night.
05:59 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell speedrunnerg55 that i sleep on the couch so my coughing doesn't wake up drew.
05:59 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when speedrunnerg55 is around.
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06:08 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​nlO8UDsc-Fc&amp;feature=related
06:08 Seroster "Look, when I turn the power to the motor off it stops!"
06:08 Seroster "Look, when I turn the motor by hand I got a generator!"
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06:13 * wannabe1987 goes back to sleep now
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08:28 Seroster Arr
08:28 Seroster Cool, my school computer allows for webirc
08:50 pegasus via port 80, or...
08:56 Seroster Erm?
08:57 pegasus "webirc"
08:57 pegasus on what port does the data get to you
08:58 Seroster No idea
09:18 pegasus hm.
09:19 pegasus january 29th 2003, chappelle's show introduces the "wrap it up" box, which plays the music from award shows to signal that your acceptance speech has gone on too damned long and rush you off the stage, except in real-life situations
09:20 pegasus april 25th 2007, the chaser's war on everything explores the possibility of taking an orchestra with you everywhere you go to play when annoying people ramble on too long the same way that the orchestra does at the logies (an australian award show)
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09:20 pegasus plagarism, or not-quite-simultaneous invention?
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11:27 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: kiwifrog on Electric Sportscar Conversion.....Cj1corbystarlet on Extracting gold from old electronics.
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12:08 yNos Hello World!
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12:21 MadManMarkAu1 yNos: Error in 'main.cpp' on line 11: identifier 'cout' has not been defined.
12:21 MadManMarkAu1 :P
12:28 yNos huh?
12:28 yNos what are you trying to print?
12:28 yNos oh
12:28 yNos lol
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12:28 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
12:29 yNos monmon Cap'n
12:29 Electronics Hi
12:31 yNos Hello Electronics
12:31 MadManMarkAu1 'morning, Captain
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12:59 pegasus http://act.ly/45h
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13:07 SparkyProjects Get on with yer schoolin' Seroster :P
13:12 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: AdderD on Electric Sportscar Conversion
13:39 Seroster SparkyProjects, School is fine
13:39 Seroster The jackasses there are not
13:40 SparkyProjects Have they taught you ohms law yet ? :D
13:40 Seroster Heh
13:41 Seroster Yeah
13:41 Seroster The other people didnt get squat.
13:41 Seroster They have to start easy.
13:41 Seroster "This is a ba-tt-herr-yy!"
13:42 SparkyProjects ooh, they should have learned abouut a cell first :P
13:42 Seroster I won't tell him how to teach
13:42 Seroster I don't give a fuck, really.
13:43 Seroster If people are nice to me I'll help them. If they are not I'll help them, but give wrong answers.
13:43 SparkyProjects Yeah, just twiddle your thumbs while they catch up with you :D
13:43 Seroster Nah
13:44 Seroster Sit down, back straight, look interested, write notes, don't be late, do as teach tells you.
13:44 Seroster School is 50% knowledge, 50% social engineering, 50% bribes and 50% math.
13:44 Seroster I gotta work on that last one.
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14:06 wannabe1987 hi mantere
14:07 mantere heya
14:19 yNos bah.. moving day for all my co-workers..
14:19 yNos and now i get to see how many books i can fit into my saddlebags
14:20 SparkyProjects Should have brought a suitcase
14:20 yNos or as the yuppies call them.. "Motorcycle luggage"
14:20 yNos they are hard bags, so that wont be an issue..
14:23 yNos anyone need and MVS/zOS/IBM360asm manuals?
14:24 SparkyProjects I thought you were taking them to tgg
14:24 yNos cobol/PL/1 or db2/IMS books?
14:24 yNos i cant take them all..
14:24 yNos they easily outweigh me 4:1
14:25 SparkyProjects Get Batman to do a run to your place of work
14:28 yNos hmmm
14:28 yNos all of the stuff that is going out is oracle8 and prev- and ibm mainframe stuff...
14:29 SparkyProjects tgg needs a decent library, and if your place has any equipment then don't need ....
14:30 yNos all the usefull programming/control books have been scavanged..
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14:38 astro73|derrial hello?
14:39 tlockley hey
14:40 astro73|derrial oh hey! it got fixed
14:40 tlockley ?
14:40 astro73|derrial I have not seen another message since sunday
14:40 tlockley o
14:41 astro73|derrial I guess irccloud is still beta
14:41 tlockley ?
14:41 astro73|derrial I'm using an online bouncer called IRCCloud
14:41 tlockley just looked it up. nifty
14:42 astro73|derrial useful on my chrome book, since the webchat wants you to sign in again every time you disconnect
14:42 tlockley ya
14:43 tlockley do you do any work with unix/linux boxes?
14:43 astro73|derrial some, but web-based stuff (not ssh+screen) is still rare
14:44 astro73|derrial and by "some" i mean "I use linux regularly, but i don't do a lot of server-oriented stuff"
14:44 tlockley ah
14:44 tlockley cause i would recomend screen+irssi/ircII/bitchx
14:45 astro73|derrial also, the speed of that when i'm away from home is dependant on my DSL uplink
14:45 astro73|derrial which isn't good
14:45 yNos SparkyProjects: we lease most of our hardware, we dont get the buy it for a buck at the end of our lease.. so that kinda sucks
14:46 SparkyProjects Ah, ok
14:46 yNos astro73|derrial tlockley: i recommend irssi/tmux
14:46 yNos they use a similar switching command set
14:47 tlockley yah, i sorta know irssi
14:47 tlockley i just need to stop being lazy
14:47 yNos between the next term/next irc room.
14:47 yNos ctrl-p for prev in irssi, ctrl-b-p for prev term in tmux
14:47 * astro73|derrial wonders how plausible a web-based screen client would be ...
14:48 tlockley all you would need is something like ajaxterm
14:48 yNos a web based ssh client that can run tmux/screen?
14:48 tlockley but ajaxterm and the like are really slow
14:48 yNos welcome to web based processing.
14:48 astro73|derrial well, websocket is maturing
14:48 astro73|derrial and the actual screen client would still be on the same box
14:49 tlockley yah but i dont know of any projects that use websockets yet
14:49 yNos i had a java based ssh client a while back.. but that is gone
14:49 yNos it was the fastest/best acting terminal
14:49 tlockley yah
14:49 tlockley i think webmin still uses a java ssh client
14:49 yNos cant think of the name of it now..
14:50 yNos webmin makes baby jesus punch other crying babies.
14:50 astro73|derrial although, come to think of it, I think JS might be getting fast enough to do SSH itself.
14:50 yNos where will you need the clients?
14:50 astro73|derrial (of course, a plugin or native client code would have to handle the socket itself)
14:50 yNos and are you needing it to proxy the connection for you?
14:52 astro73|derrial yNos: i'm just thinking about ways for my chromebook to remote in to my desktop at this point. I don't need an IRC proxy
14:52 yNos MindTerm!
14:52 tlockley yah
14:52 tlockley what a hunk of junk at times
14:52 yNos yup
14:52 yNos but it works under chromeOS
14:53 astro73|derrial last i checked, CrOS didn't have java
14:53 tlockley lame
14:54 yNos hmm, i thought it didnt have flash..
14:54 tlockley why wouldnt it have flash
14:54 astro73|derrial no, it has flash. It's much easier to go without java than without flash
14:55 astro73|derrial seriously. How many sites use java applets anymore?
14:55 tlockley not many
14:55 tlockley but it is a nice fallback tech at times
14:56 astro73|derrial and it's easier to develop for than flash
14:56 tlockley forexample, logmein uses java as a fallback when it cant load flash or its native plugin
14:56 Seroster I just found a thing on facebook that chops down my dearest beliefs to one sentence and regurgitates it like an interest. Yay.
14:57 yNos http://anyterm.org/ check this out
14:58 tlockley looks cool
15:00 astro73|derrial I still think someone needs to do a non-terminal implementation of screen. I heard some discussion a while back about gnome-terminal doing it, but haven't seen anything concrete.
15:05 yNos a non-terminal terminal emulator?
15:07 astro73|derrial screen doesn't emulate any terminals, it just passes terminal data around
15:07 astro73|derrial as i understand it
15:07 astro73|derrial I mean a terminal emulator that also presents screen muliplexing management
15:08 yNos screen emulates a vt-100 term
15:08 yNos and does term-mux
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15:12 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 4 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: AdderD on Electric Sportscar Conversion.....Tarsman013 on Electric Sportscar Conversion.....gjposner on Electric Sportscar Conversion.....Bill Jones on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon
15:36 astro73|derrial Did the website die?
15:36 tlockley no, it does that
15:36 tlockley be patient
15:36 tlockley I think that TGG needs to rethink their SQL backend
15:37 tlockley as there seems to be an issue with Apache and MySQL
15:38 tlockley because you will notice that the host is up but is refusing connections
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15:58 Seroster yAY
15:59 Seroster I got a fanclub on facebook.
16:00 Seroster Too bad it is the sarcastic type and it is run by a dude from the other electical & energy class, surely based in my superior intellect.
16:00 Seroster So. What shall I do...
16:00 Seroster Either fuck him up physically and get expelled, be a condecending douchebag, ignore or google his mother.
16:01 angy condecending is best
16:03 Seroster "I know you are angry, and that anger is based on the fact that your father touches you during the night, and you project that anger and hatred onto me, but please, keep it to yourself.
16:04 Seroster Generally I'm a nice guy, but when people fuck with me for no reason It annoys me.
16:04 angy I'm not generally nice :) way better
16:07 angy you've also got another solution: don't use facebook
16:09 Guardianzozo i like that solution
16:09 angy I think I go read Facebook like once a month. max.
16:09 Electronics I have facebook, but I haven't used it in over 3 or so months.
16:09 angy and it bored me to hell like half a second after using it
16:09 Seroster Me too angy
16:10 Seroster I would be happy if the issues were limited to facebook
16:12 angy hit him with a sledgehammer just to see if he brake in tiny pieces ?
16:12 Seroster That would get me expelled AND in jail
16:12 Seroster I could just say "fuck it" and don't go back there
16:23 astro73|derrial well, that explains why gnome-terminal hasn't integrated with screen
16:23 angy because neither are on facebook!
16:24 astro73|derrial :P screen is a pile of junk as far as source goes. Some are even describing it as dead.
16:29 Cprossu I'm not on and won't be on facebook. xD
16:29 Cprossu personal preference
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16:36 Seroster Ooooo
16:36 Seroster Variable speed drive (danfoss)
16:39 Seroster Oooo
16:39 Seroster Inverter 3kw
16:41 SparkyProjects We had the vlt2800's at work, must have been over 80 of them
16:41 SparkyProjects http://www.danfoss.com/north_americ​a/businessareas/drivessolutions/fre​quency+drives/vlt+2800+series.htm
16:41 SparkyProjects Pain to operate :P
16:41 wannabe1987 .
16:42 Seroster Shit! Still a little juice in the caps
16:42 SparkyProjects Did you get bit :D
16:43 Seroster Nope
16:43 Seroster I have a coarse steel wool ball that I go over all big narly gear with
16:43 Seroster Shorts out caps
16:43 Seroster Aw
16:43 Seroster This is so beuatiful!
16:44 SparkyProjects And can catch fire :P
16:44 Seroster Almost brings a tear to my eye
16:44 Seroster Its more of a mesh
16:44 Seroster It got "materials approx"
16:45 Seroster "Al 47  plastics 19  fe 14  cu 9  ceramic/glass6  other metals 3  electrolyte <1 flame retard <.5 pvc <0.5 pb <0.1
16:47 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur​e=player_embedded&amp;v=4drucg1A6Xk
16:47 Cprossu wow.
16:47 Cprossu well done.
16:48 Seroster Ey SparkyProjects
16:48 Seroster http://www.eriks.co.uk/Danfoss-Inverters/729
16:48 Seroster The one with the fins
16:48 Seroster I have no idea what this could have ben used for...
16:48 Seroster Not elevators, they work on 0 or 100%
16:49 Seroster Sewage pump motor control? Nah...
16:49 Seroster A/C?
16:49 SparkyProjects Could be HVAC
16:50 SparkyProjects That's what ours were for
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16:50 Seroster Yeah
16:50 Seroster But the suckers in this house are always operating on 100%
16:50 SparkyProjects Remember that a vfd can also be used only for starting and stopping, they ramp up the speed to a preset slope
16:51 Seroster The kitchen fan is not a fan, it is a timer and a big valve that allows airflow
16:51 Seroster Oooooo, yeah that could be it... Gently bringing the HVAC unit into gear
16:51 Seroster 5kilos of R600a in the room just above my apartment
16:52 SparkyProjects House HVAC is different to industrial, we used ours to balance pressure in the buildings.
16:52 SparkyProjects Was this form a hospital ?
16:52 Seroster Nope
16:52 Seroster It's the shared dumpster for about a dozen 8storey houses
16:52 SparkyProjects were was it from
16:53 Seroster One of those houses. =P
16:54 SparkyProjects I wonder if any houses had some sort of lift, maybe a disabled persons thing
16:54 SparkyProjects Is it 3 phase input ?
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17:03 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.c​om/2011/08/rainbow-cookies.html
17:12 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Slurpy on New Random Junk Thread
17:16 Seroster But SparkyProjects
17:16 Seroster This VFD....
17:16 Seroster Shouldnt it contain parts useful for an inverter?
17:16 Seroster To invert 12vdc, transform to 230VAC and use that for the motor?
17:18 SparkyProjects It IS an inverter
17:18 SparkyProjects Power is rectified and smoothed (that's why there are big caps), then it's fed into an inverter
17:18 SparkyProjects So basically, if that's a 3 phase input, and  you can creaate the same DC voltage and current from single phase, you could run that 3 phase motor
17:19 Seroster Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17:20 Seroster Problem is..
17:20 Seroster Its in a case
17:20 Seroster Incased in resin
17:20 Seroster =c
17:20 Electronics =3
17:20 Seroster And to get the PCB out I have to desolder quite a bit
17:20 Seroster And then I lose the logic of how it fit together to begin with
17:20 SparkyProjects The only problem you may have is that the device may be monitoring the input, and will shut down if it sees a problem, but if you can work out a way to fool it .....
17:21 Seroster And if I leave evrything in the case there is a lot of intelligence in it
17:21 Seroster Yeah, to make this work you only need the big hardware and a few small chips, this one got looooads of big chips
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17:22 mashpriborintorg yo
17:22 Seroster 13 small connections, 8 ribbons, three phases in and 5 hooks out
17:23 SparkyProjects On the heatsink should be 2 or 3 triac/thyristor blocks, they look something like this
17:23 SparkyProjects http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/296845543/Power_T​hyristor_Thyristor_Modules_and_Thyristor_Diode.jpg
17:25 Seroster The case is the heatsink
17:25 Seroster And the varnish probably acts conductive
17:25 SparkyProjects yep
17:25 Seroster But Ill keep my eyes open
17:25 Seroster And I never scrap a component I don't recognize =P
17:26 Seroster But in essence... What I am looking for will be big enough I can put it together again?
17:28 SparkyProjects Some vfd's only create 2 phases, the third phase is left at full voltage,  the better ones create 3 phases.
17:28 SparkyProjects The Toshiba vfd's we had years ago, you couldn't tell which was input and output on a scope
17:28 SparkyProjects well actually you could, the input trace was very noisy, the output was smooth :P
17:28 Seroster hm
17:31 SparkyProjects If you are intending to make some sort of inverter, find those thyristors, and you'll need the oscillator and drive components.
17:31 SparkyProjects Remember that thyristors need 2 drives per device, and if you have 2 devices, you make up like an H bridge
17:31 Seroster Right
17:31 Seroster If I have two devices shouldnt I be able to just split the cable?
17:35 SparkyProjects Not sure what you mean
17:35 Seroster Paralell wire them?
17:35 SparkyProjects Also, i don't know how you'd get around the fact that thyristors 'latch' when switching DC
17:36 SparkyProjects 2 vfd's ?
17:36 Seroster 2 motors on one vfd
17:37 SparkyProjects Yes, that can be done, just be sure that the total power of the motors doesn't exceed the vfd ratings
17:55 yNos http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin​/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1244372691
17:56 Seroster Odd
17:56 yNos hmm... i didnt think the aduino had enough oomph to generate a nice roud 3phase.
17:56 Seroster I think the triacs are closer to the case
17:56 Seroster Got the top pcb off
17:56 Seroster Desoldered two coils
17:56 Seroster Four caps
17:56 Seroster Wich tells me this deals with 2 phases
17:57 Seroster Two big coils of wire, FOUR caps, two for each phase
18:06 Seroster SparkyProjects,
18:06 Seroster I found it
18:06 Seroster But
18:06 Seroster It aint pretty
18:07 Seroster Bigass thing with lots of pins
18:10 mashpriborintorg If you open it it should reveal some pretty hybrid technology, at least
18:11 Seroster Or a unicorn
18:11 Electronics but don't let out the magic smoke
18:12 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Robotics Lab
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18:18 speedrunnerG55 Hi
18:18 BotSteve speedrunnerG55: I have the following messages for you:
18:18 BotSteve At 05:59Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell speedrunnerG55 that i sleep on the couch so my coughing doesn't wake up drew.
18:18 speedrunnerG55 Oh
18:18 speedrunnerG55 :/
18:20 wannabe1987 yeah
18:20 wannabe1987 it sucks
18:20 speedrunnerG55 Cant you use cough medicine?
18:21 wannabe1987 no $$ to buy such an item
18:21 speedrunnerG55 :(
18:25 speedrunnerG55 I got to configure raid on my virtual pce
18:25 speedrunnerG55 Pcs
18:26 speedrunnerG55 I have to do that tomorrow, ive been so distracted the past 2 days D:
18:26 wannabe1987 mexican lasagna for dinner tonight :)
18:26 speedrunnerG55 Cool,
18:32 wannabe1987 Women do better than men on tasks that require verbal communication and memory of personal experiences. Men excel in the manipulation of complex spatial information.
18:32 wannabe1987 What does that mean?
18:32 wannabe1987 Women talk a lot and remember everything. Men can park 3 cars, 1 motorcycle, 2 mountain bikes, a fishing boat, a side-winder circular saw, 6 pairs of skis and 300 pounds of camping gear in a 2 car garage.
18:32 wannabe1987 LOL
18:33 * yNos clicks like.
18:33 wannabe1987 is so fucking true
18:33 wannabe1987 another bit i like is "What’s a hippocampus, you ask?
18:33 wannabe1987 It’s a little doo-hickey in the brain that just so happens to be a long-term memory consolidation station and an emotional storage bin. It’s like a jewelry box for stuff you can dig up and throw into a heated conversation years later."
18:35 yNos fer sure... last night we got into an argument about me not taking the trash out 2 weeks ago.. yes, this is the week where i can do no right by her.
18:35 wannabe1987 awww at least you guys discuss instead of dumping each other ...
18:35 wannabe1987 2 weeks ago?!
18:35 wannabe1987 ....
18:35 yNos we are adults
18:35 yNos yeah
18:35 yNos 2 weeks ago
18:35 wannabe1987 ...
18:36 yNos there was a box in the basement that was supposed to go out.
18:36 wannabe1987 i took the trash out even tho i asked him to because he was busy...
18:36 yNos she was pissy about something when she got home ant she took it out on me.
18:36 wannabe1987 did you know that about the box?
18:36 wannabe1987 i do that :shame:
18:36 yNos so i went to the neighbor's house and helped him with his car.
18:37 speedrunnerG55 Err?
18:37 wannabe1987 what speed?
18:37 yNos I knew about the box, i was planning on keeping it so i can crawl under a car/ catch oil when i work on the neighbor's leaky ass POS bikes.
18:37 wannabe1987 ahhhh
18:37 yNos what speed?
18:38 yNos what speed did i leave?
18:38 yNos we calmed down, then i said i am going next door..
18:38 speedrunnerG55 idk
18:38 yNos i know not to leave angry..
18:38 wannabe1987 ahhh
18:38 speedrunnerG55 wannabe1987: ?
18:39 wannabe1987 i had an issue with him during our vacation and it all blew up in my face...
18:39 speedrunnerG55 Blew up?
18:39 wannabe1987 i got dumped, did i not?
18:40 yNos made for a quiet ride home?
18:40 wannabe1987 no
18:40 wannabe1987 we had a fun ride home...
18:40 yNos post breakup?
18:40 wannabe1987 NOT THAT WAY
18:40 wannabe1987 of course
18:40 yNos not what i was thinking
18:40 wannabe1987 breakup was right before church.
18:40 wannabe1987 so church sucked...
18:40 yNos but angy sex can be the best sex.
18:40 wannabe1987 no sex in htis relationship...
18:41 Seroster wannabe1987, no money for cough medicine? Your healthcare system sucks.
18:41 wannabe1987 Seroster yes...its america
18:41 speedrunnerG55 Lol wannabe
18:41 Seroster No sex in the relationship? Your relationship system sucks.
18:41 speedrunnerG55 >_>
18:41 mashpriborintorg lol
18:41 wannabe1987 its my way of doing things...
18:41 Seroster *NOT doing things
18:41 yNos its a way to maintain control of a relationship.
18:41 wannabe1987 but yNos we were caravaning home with his brother and traviling at fun rates of speed and messing with other drivers...
18:42 speedrunnerG55 Ye..
18:42 wannabe1987 yNos, waht, sex is?
18:42 yNos can be
18:42 wannabe1987 poor speed
18:42 Seroster Further discussion on that topic should be kept in #TGG_NSFW, sincee this chan is supposed to be pg13.
18:42 yNos alrite
18:42 Seroster Wich is fine with me since I happen to enjoy such discussions xD
18:42 wannabe1987 ...
18:43 * yNos gasps
18:43 yNos Seroster pissed her off!
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18:43 yNos maybe not.
18:43 wannabe1987 hit a wrong button o.O
18:43 Seroster lol
18:43 wannabe1987 .log
18:43 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
18:44 wannabe1987 lol yNos
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18:49 SparkyProjects Sorry Seroster, was watching something
18:49 SparkyProjects Is that device like the one i showed you ?
18:49 SparkyProjects http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/296845543/Power_T​hyristor_Thyristor_Modules_and_Thyristor_Diode.jpg
18:50 SparkyProjects It should have a number, and maybe a little drawing on the side
18:50 Seroster Nope
18:50 Seroster 3cm by 10cm
18:50 SparkyProjects Sounds about right
18:51 SparkyProjects 3 big terminals and 4 - 6 small ones ?
18:51 yNos time to head downstairs for a retirement party
18:52 yNos g'night all
18:52 Electronics cya
18:52 Seroster SparkyProjects, 20 pins
18:52 Seroster And 5 big terminals on the same pcb
18:52 speedrunnerG55 Hi SparkyProjects
18:53 SparkyProjects O.O Might be an all-in-one 3 phase device
18:53 Seroster I have no idea
18:53 Seroster Will have to desolder the 20 pins
18:53 Seroster And the rest of the useful stuff from that pcb
18:54 Seroster Two pcbs, a few caps, and the two coils
18:55 Seroster The thyristor pcb got the 20pin thing, a few foil caps (400v) a few surge smurfs 3 small lytics and a bit of intelligence surface mount on the solder side.
19:00 tonsofpcs desoldering lotsa pins is easy!  get an old 200-260w weller gun ;)
19:02 SparkyProjects Or a blowtorch :D
19:07 Seroster I have both
19:07 speedrunnerG55 SparkyProjects: ?
19:07 Seroster Well, 100watts
19:07 Seroster 100 watts of doooom
19:07 * speedrunnerG55 waves at SparkyProjects
19:07 SparkyProjects Hi speed :)
19:07 speedrunnerG55 Hi SparkyProjects
19:07 SparkyProjects Sorry, i did see you earlier :P
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19:14 wannabe1987 o god i didn't wash my hands after cutting up pepper and now i'm eating celery and i licked my thumb and my mouth  is on fire O.o
19:15 mashpriborintorg rubbing your eye should have been worse, already did that
19:16 Seroster Or taking a wee.
19:16 wannabe1987 ...i kmow better.  after chopping peppers i chopped onion....
19:17 speedrunnerG55 Lol wannabe
19:17 mashpriborintorg I remember of a video, of a girl dropping tabasco in her eye
19:17 wannabe1987 they're "salsa peppers"
19:17 mashpriborintorg which is a stupid thing to try
19:17 wannabe1987 why
19:18 mashpriborintorg it may hurt a little :p
19:19 wannabe1987 no shit
19:29 exor674 oh GOD mashpriborintorg, speaking of that
19:29 exor674 I uh, once got a single drop of the spicest BBQ sauce a BBQ place had in my eye
19:30 exor674 that fucking SUCKED
19:31 mashpriborintorg yeah you're good for keeping your eyes fir 10 minutes under water flow
19:32 wannabe1987 "our webpage only works on safari, firefox, and IE.  please switch browsers"
19:32 wannabe1987 ...
19:32 wannabe1987 exor674 why do tht?
19:32 mashpriborintorg lazy webmasters
19:32 wannabe1987 i use chrome...so yeah
19:32 speedrunnerG55 Hi mashedpotatoes
19:33 * speedrunnerG55 mashes mashpriborintorg
19:33 wannabe1987 o.O
19:34 mashpriborintorg hi, hi
19:36 speedrunnerG55 :)
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19:42 wannabe1987 fire fox 6 is available?
19:42 wannabe1987 oddd
19:43 wannabe1987 and this web page is slow...
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19:53 wannabe1987 dog likes mike and ikes...
19:53 wannabe1987 o.O
20:28 Seroster AHA!
20:29 Seroster People in shcool fucking with me on facebook.
20:30 Seroster Read up on the school guidelines, online bullying OF ANY KIND at home or in school is prohibited, and will result in your computer privilegies being revoked (Then you can't look up your assignments online)
20:30 Seroster And I have screendumps, logs, complete list of names, pictures to go with said names, phonenumbers, adresses, emails, their mothers phonenumber...
20:31 Seroster If I take that to the principle they'll get their asses kicked...
20:31 Seroster I wonder how much they would pay me not to do so.
20:31 Seroster .w blackmail
20:31 BotSteve "In common usage, blackmail is a crime involving threats to reveal substantially true and/or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand is met." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail
20:44 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​gRcj6CAhe7s&amp;feature=related
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20:46 astro73|derrial ok, my car is being loud, like exhaust problems. Lab or mechanic? Also, i'm running close to broke
20:49 Seroster Eh
20:49 Seroster With lab, do you mean LS.labs?
20:50 astro73|derrial yeah
20:51 astro73|derrial since i suspect (hope?) it's just going to be a patch job
20:51 astro73|derrial of course, i don't actually know that much about cars, and nothing about welding
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20:53 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial lab, probably
20:53 wannabe1987 esp cuz you're almost broke
20:57 Seroster astro73|derrial, Get it to GR, get it up and get a look on the underside.
20:57 Seroster If it is beyond you and the people at gg, it cost you next to nothing (or nothing, I don't know tbh)
20:58 Seroster Or you see "O. Hole. Exhaust epoxy time, bitches!"
21:00 wannabe1987 Seroster its already in GR
21:00 wannabe1987 :P
21:00 Cprossu what in the world is going on in here? lol
21:00 Seroster Cprossu, 45:22 astro73|derrial. Read up
21:01 Cprossu .log
21:01 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
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21:02 BotSteve wannabe1987: remind wannabe1987 redbox for the 25th only, 7WZWQWH
21:02 Cprossu astro73|derrial: make, model, year, is the 'check engine light' on?
21:03 Seroster ...
21:03 Seroster No
21:03 Cprossu did I get the wrong topic?
21:03 Cprossu rofl
21:03 Seroster 22:45:52 GMT+1 By astro73|derrial
21:04 Seroster Since the minutes are the same but the hours aren't, and there has ben less than an hour you can ignore the hour marking and just give minutes and seconds
21:04 Cprossu if you say so
21:04 Seroster ... =P
21:04 Cprossu hence why I asked what I did
21:04 Cprossu if it's just an exhaust leak he can blatantly ignore it
21:05 Cprossu just like every single other driver in MI does
21:06 Cprossu but if the exhaust leak is before the cat or o2 sensors then it could be an issue
21:06 Cprossu if it's after the cat but before the muffler, or the muffler itself he doesn't have to give a shit
21:08 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial what car do you drive?
21:09 * Cprossu bangs head against wall, that's what I asked heh
21:09 wannabe1987 i didn't see an answer, sorry
21:13 * mashpriborintorg goes to sleep cheers
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21:17 Toastdude Hi
21:20 wannabe1987 hey toast...
21:20 wannabe1987 i'm making mexican lasagna
21:20 wannabe1987 :D
21:20 Toastdude Hey :)
21:21 Toastdude Yay
21:24 Toastdude So how's life?
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21:32 Toastdude Wb wannabe1987
21:32 wannabe1987 thx.  i'm too far from the router...:P
21:32 wannabe1987 thtas the only thing i can think of...
21:33 Toastdude Nice
21:40 Seroster Ffffffuuuuuuu
21:40 Seroster The school's mail system.
21:41 Seroster Imagine Office outlook
21:41 Seroster But without any useful features
21:41 Seroster YAY
21:41 Toastdude That sucks Seroster...
21:41 Toastdude Also Hi
21:41 * Seroster mumbles cusses
21:43 Seroster And also... http://xkcd.com/773/
21:59 astro73|derrial Cprossu, wannabe1987: sorry, having a talk with my mother. It's a 1993 Geo Prizm. Check engine light is not on
22:00 Seroster Anyhow
22:00 Seroster I'm off to hit the hay
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22:11 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial i see
22:11 wannabe1987 http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2008/08/cook​ing-with-pastor-ryan-delicious-mexican-lasagna/ made this for dinner, with modifications...
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22:17 angy dr_jkl: you there?
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22:26 wannabe1987 oooo tornado watch... BatSteve-Away
22:26 wannabe1987 be safe!
22:27 Cprossu .tfw 85020
22:27 BotSteve 113°F?! ITS FUCKING...ARE YOU OKAY? IN Phoenix, AZ!  '...in bed!'
22:28 wannabe1987 o.o DON"T DIE Cprossu
22:32 wannabe1987 why aren't websites loading properly?
22:32 wannabe1987 this is weird
22:41 * wannabe1987 is trying to find the deaf/hard of hearing community in kzoo
22:41 wannabe1987 gonna learn ASL :D
22:41 speedrunnerG55 Asl?
22:41 wannabe1987 american sign language
22:41 speedrunnerG55 Ohh
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22:49 Ponko he's bXK
22:49 Ponko back*
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22:51 Ponko92 well that failes
22:51 Ponko92 well that failed*
22:51 Ponko92 .log
22:51 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
22:51 Ponko92 peeps leave a message about how i can stop this crashing
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22:55 Ponko this will crash again and there's NOTHING i can do about it :(
22:55 Ponko .log
22:55 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
22:56 Ponko hmm
22:56 Ponko sorry everyone for being any kind of bother
22:59 tlockley dr_jkl: ping
22:59 angy ajprog_laptop: found why website crashed
22:59 angy ajprog_laptop: I'm fwd you my last email
22:59 angy (forgot to cc you :)
22:59 tlockley hey angy, do you work on the site?
22:59 angy more under than on :)
23:00 tlockley heh. do you work on the forum at all?
23:00 angy on the server stuff, not on the frontend
23:00 tlockley ah. Mind if i ask what you are planning to do about the constant outages?
23:01 angy having no more of them (:
23:01 tlockley lol
23:01 angy it's kind of a very hard situation to tackle, really
23:02 tlockley what is the issue? or do you not really know
23:02 angy it's really how the servers are configured, and how file system are mounted around
23:02 tlockley oh?
23:02 tlockley is the site on a shared or dedicated host?
23:03 angy something on what we don't really have a hand on it
23:03 angy between the two, very strange configuration
23:03 Cprossu rofl @ wannabe1987
23:03 Cprossu .tfw 85020
23:03 BotSteve 112°F?! ITS FUCKING...ARE YOU OKAY? IN Phoenix, AZ!  'Better than winter.'
23:03 Cprossu it's getting cooler though! :D
23:03 tlockley so the filesystem is part of the cause
23:03 speedrunnerG55 Hi Cprossu
23:04 Cprossu hey speedrunnerG55
23:04 angy at least you won't fry just yet Cprossu
23:04 wannabe1987 oooo one degree cooler :P
23:04 wannabe1987 .tfw 49006
23:04 BotSteve 87°F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Kalamazoo, MI!  'I just saw a fucking bird panting.'
23:04 Cprossu nah I am a happy camper down here
23:04 wannabe1987 lol
23:04 Cprossu got good water and sodas
23:04 wannabe1987 we have a tornado watch...
23:04 Cprossu and a nice giant fan
23:04 wannabe1987 and it was 92 out at one point...
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23:05 Druidic_Rifleman hey
23:05 Cprossu we've been breaking temp records as of late
23:05 Cprossu what's up Druidic_Rifleman
23:05 Druidic_Rifleman I got a100 dollar bottle of vodka for my birthday
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23:05 Cprossu you find any new excuses to strap differenting firearms and/or explosives on differing plastic wheel portable platforms?
23:06 wannabe1987 o.O
23:06 Cprossu well anyway nice to see you
23:06 speedrunnerG55 I have a question about pentium4 mothaboards, they have 20 and 24 pin power conectors?
23:07 Cprossu socket 423, socket 478, or lga 775?
23:07 speedrunnerG55 Idk my lab books asking me "pentium motherboards"
23:07 Cprossu rofl
23:08 angy mostly 24
23:08 Cprossu A+ book by 'thompson course technologies"?
23:08 angy 20 + 4 :)
23:08 speedrunnerG55 Pentuum4*
23:08 Cprossu angy, not really
23:08 Cprossu most p4 motherboards are 20 pin.
23:08 Cprossu + the 4 pin "12v p4 connector"
23:08 speedrunnerG55 A+ boot by mike meyers
23:08 angy don't forget the 2 +12 and 0 that were required
23:08 Cprossu ^
23:09 angy so it's 24, but not on the same connector, it's 20 + 4 ^^
23:09 speedrunnerG55 Ok
23:09 angy if it's connectorS, 24 works, if it's connector 20 is right
23:10 Cprossu I remember I used to buy cheap ass shitastic power supplies to pull that connector off and crimp a 4 pin molex on
23:10 angy the plural make all the difference
23:10 Cprossu basically it's all bullshit anyway.
23:10 angy you can run many mono without that 4 pin thingy
23:10 Cprossu 99.9%
23:10 Cprossu to be honest
23:10 speedrunnerG55 Its conectors. And it has 2 spaces
23:10 speedrunnerG55 I used 24 pin alreaddy
23:11 angy so it's 20pins + 4 pins
23:11 speedrunnerG55 Kk
23:11 Cprossu we all have but you also have to differentiate
23:11 Cprossu as there is 20+4, 20+8, 24+4, 24+8
23:11 Cprossu then you get into EPS12
23:11 Cprossu and it gets weirder from there
23:11 angy I got workstations that are 20+20+8+8+4 :)
23:11 speedrunnerG55 Like 6 pun aux?
23:12 speedrunnerG55 Pin
23:12 Cprossu I really never knew what the fuck the AUX was for
23:12 Cprossu every motheboard I had stated in the manual not to even hook it up
23:12 Cprossu *motherboard
23:12 angy once it was needed for very high end motherboard
23:12 Cprossu yeah very very high end
23:13 Cprossu but even the 8 way opteron I built
23:13 Cprossu didn't use it
23:13 angy not that high end
23:13 angy I have xeon that need it
23:13 angy it's the connector for VRM
23:13 speedrunnerG55 Xeon ?
23:13 angy voltage regulator modules
23:13 Cprossu makes sense .. pIII xeon?
23:13 angy Irwindale Xeon, so P4
23:13 Cprossu yeah the xeons and some dual PIII would have VRM's
23:13 Cprossu for their respective processors
23:14 Cprossu made it hell to upgrade.
23:14 Druidic_Rifleman Cprossu How lonare you going to stay inGR
23:14 Cprossu and if one blew on you, new motherboard
23:14 Cprossu I already left Druidic_Rifleman
23:14 Druidic_Rifleman ah
23:14 Cprossu Jul 4th to Aug 17th
23:14 Druidic_Rifleman Ah
23:14 angy dual xeon mostly have only one VRM
23:14 Cprossu had a hell of a time.
23:15 Druidic_Rifleman i wanna paint balltank :(
23:15 Cprossu angy: my asus's had 2 vrm's
23:15 Cprossu for the dual configs
23:15 angy weird
23:15 Cprossu dell on the other hand
23:15 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna bunker some noob with a Armoured fighting vehicle XD
23:15 angy usually, the first processor vim is soldered on the mobo
23:15 Cprossu nearly always builds one onboard
23:15 angy because you always have at least one processor
23:15 Cprossu then you can't purchase the VRM to the second
23:15 Cprossu most of my quad way boards though had all the VRM's onboard
23:16 angy quad is quite different
23:16 angy when you go quad, you get the 4 proc at once
23:16 Cprossu the 8 way operon on the other hand was 2 quad boards stacked in a 6u case
23:16 Cprossu very neat rig too.
23:16 angy when you go dual, more than half the time, you go with one proc, then maybe two
23:17 Cprossu as far as I am concerned if you are getting a dual motherboard in the first place it's a really dumb idea to have it configured with only one.
23:17 angy it is
23:17 Cprossu because you are spending a markup of at least 2x for that motherboard in most cases
23:18 angy but really nowadays, it's way overkill to go dual processor for mostly all the time on workstations
23:19 Cprossu nowadays a hex core can deal anything you want.
23:19 angy I'm stuck with intel, so I'm quad :)
23:19 Cprossu no need to go any further unless you are doing a shit ton of virtualization
23:19 Cprossu they make hex intels you know angy
23:19 Cprossu and they aren't too bad either price wise
23:19 angy yep, but they are priced wayyy too much for what it's worth
23:20 Cprossu (well workstation wise anyway)
23:20 Cprossu I am currently running a hex core AMD 1075T though, kick ass for the price
23:20 Cprossu and it worked in my ancient motherboard to boot!
23:21 angy I'm still running dual quad xeon
23:21 angy way too much cores and threads
23:21 Cprossu AMD has been the only company in which I've run computers that I've been able to cheaply and easily 'upgrade'
23:22 angy sadly all soft I got are way optimized intel-wise
23:22 Cprossu I recall you saying that
23:22 angy intel now got 10 cores/20 threads processors? how useless, or to be use in DB
23:22 Cprossu they are useful in virtualization
23:22 Cprossu not much else.
23:23 angy at least I was able to kick my old workstation, the dual-dual-core xeon
23:23 Cprossu aka your space heater
23:23 angy the workstation that really was a giant heat sink, and a radiator
23:23 angy exactly
23:23 Cprossu moose was running a 2.8 dual core xeon with DDR iirc
23:23 angy I think it was like 400W just for the useless processors
23:23 Cprossu s l o w.
23:24 Cprossu and it was a dell to boot
23:24 Cprossu with a failing proprietary power supply
23:24 angy :)
23:24 angy my workstation was a Canon one I think
23:24 astro73|derrial Does anyone have an old PDA around that I could use? Doesn't have to be fancy wireless or anything
23:25 Cprossu hey astro73|derrial what's new?
23:25 astro73|derrial life perspective. long story
23:25 Cprossu when you get a chance I'd like you to fill producerbill in on the MPK 'bus'
23:25 NeWtoz since people are asking for things, I need a wireless router
23:26 NeWtoz kthx
23:26 eadthem feel sorry for moose  dell + xeon + dell psu
23:26 Cprossu I've given out 7 already NeWtoz, sorry.
23:26 [Python] 7 ?
23:26 angy I don't use wireless :)
23:26 astro73|derrial NeWtoz: i thought i'd ask geeks and friends before I went to ebay
23:26 eadthem not to much tho   my computers a single amd athlon xp 3000+ barton with 2gb ram
23:26 Cprossu if you are unlucky there's still a linksys "a+g" router in my suitcase (5V center positive)
23:26 NeWtoz my apt has free wireless
23:27 Cprossu you won't be able to modify it or anything but it might work.
23:27 NeWtoz I just need a bridge
23:29 angy btw, defense date is either 2 sep. or 7 sep. afaik currently!
23:29 Cprossu there's a WRT55AG v2 piece of crap that I'll give you if no one took it that would be in my suitcase o' crap
23:30 Cprossu but you won't want it probably NeWtoz, it's a real piece of junk.
23:31 NeWtoz ok, I should probably just find a usb dongle or something that will work with pfsense
23:33 Cprossu or try and get someone's second hand wrt54g/gs/gl on craigslist
23:33 eadthem http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-bul​ldozer-zambezi-processor-am3,13272.html AMD bulldoser info
23:33 eadthem the last slide intruiges me
23:34 eadthem by how i read that  the cooler you keep the chip  the more  max turbo boost you can get when you need it
23:34 Cprossu it works this way on my 6 core actually
23:34 Cprossu if I downclock 4 of the cores I can push 2 of them to ~4.3ghz roughly
23:34 eadthem ie a cooler that would be adiquet at keeping the chip below 50C   now  is a POS  and shuld be replaced with something able to keep it at below 30C
23:34 Cprossu via the core boost
23:35 Cprossu but it's a nice thing having a thermal feedback look within the processor
23:35 Cprossu to do it automatically
23:35 eadthem now i understand why amd is makeing the jump to in box water coolers for there higher end chips
23:36 Cprossu they are damn good at producing a good bang/buck
23:36 eadthem there suposidly going to have a integrated water cooler as the heatsink package for the high end chips  120MM radator ment to fit in the back case fan area
23:36 * speedrunnerG55 looks around
23:37 Cprossu all we have to do is dig up some old 'Prescott' coolers and we'll have AMD's worst covered, eadthem
23:37 eadthem hehe
23:37 eadthem got to clean the charr off them first however
23:37 Cprossu and un-heat treat the metal
23:38 eadthem ya couple rounds of anealing
23:39 Cprossu we could just skip that and go for NOS parts
23:39 eadthem i did read there highest end chip for bulldoser will be at the 300$ mark    boxed with watercooler
23:39 eadthem may be the first time i get the highest end chip right off the bat
23:39 Cprossu they are still under the price point intel wants lol
23:40 eadthem i normaly go for the 100$ mark
23:40 eadthem but after 7 years on a xp 3000+  its time to upgrade a fue times over
23:40 Cprossu I usually will spend up to $225
23:40 Cprossu the 1075T ran me a cool $180
23:40 Cprossu the processor before that cost me $80
23:40 Cprossu and the one before that $130
23:40 eadthem my thoughts wer   buy a high end motherboard   a good 100$ ish cpu   and in 3 years upgrade the cpu
23:41 eadthem 3 years after that upgrade the system
23:41 astro73|derrial how often do they change CPU sockets?
23:41 angy Too oftn
23:41 eadthem amd   every 2 or 3 major chip releases
23:42 eadthem ie  you can use any am3 cpu in the new am3+ boards
23:42 Cprossu and I was able to use my AM3 cpu in my AM2 motherboard
23:42 eadthem unfortuantly this time you cannot use a am3+ (bulldoser chip) in the am3 and am2 am2+ boards
23:42 Cprossu no big deal though
23:42 eadthem ya for phenom they did let ya do that
23:42 eadthem ya this time  they got a good reason to upgrade
23:43 eadthem they need the newer am3 socket
23:43 Cprossu hey am2+ is finally gone they gave everyone on am2+ a good ride
23:43 eadthem err am3+
23:43 Cprossu am3+ doesn't have ddr2 support on it's cpu's, that's fine with me
23:43 eadthem yep  ddr3 only
23:43 eadthem and iirc 3 channals
23:43 Cprossu with support for ddr5 coming I bet you
23:44 eadthem i herd that somewhere but i want to conferm
23:44 Cprossu (that's what the extra pins freed up are for)
23:44 eadthem naw  next step after DDR3 will be QDR
23:44 eadthem or optics
23:44 Cprossu nah
23:44 angy the funny thing is that for critical real time systems, we still use DDR :)
23:44 eadthem QDR exist right now
23:44 Cprossu next step is an AMD/ATI initiated technology
23:44 Cprossu ddr5.
23:44 Cprossu count on it.
23:44 eadthem ?
23:45 eadthem whats good about ddr5 whats diffrent
23:45 Cprossu it makes making motherboards easier
23:45 Cprossu signal pathways don't have to be the same length
23:45 Cprossu among other things
23:45 eadthem the serial approch?
23:45 angy memory latency is way down compared to DDR2/DDR3
23:45 Cprossu that too.
23:45 angy that's the locking point we once hit
23:46 angy we were like ``why does it work on that computer that is like 10x slower and not on the new one''
23:46 Cprossu angy: lazy coders.
23:46 angy very which optimization in fact
23:47 angy was optimized for north wood P4 the hell out of it
23:47 Cprossu the higher the level of programming the worse off you are, just as if you take one really inefficient arch and build an application around a really poor performing CPU pipeline
23:48 Cprossu when you make optimizations to run around the slow pipeline when you throw it on a cpu with a streamlined pipeline it craps cookies.
23:48 angy that's right, the point was the pipelining
23:48 eadthem java is excuseable for non processing apps
23:48 Cprossu lazy programmers are still the point.
23:48 Cprossu java is never excusable.
23:48 angy that code was more C/ASM than java
23:48 Cprossu that's like saying my dog shitting in my shoes is excusable.
23:48 eadthem c/c++ is for everything else (note i say c/c++  because if you jsut use c++ you will probably suck    c alone is however acceptable)
23:48 Cprossu yeah I bet angy
23:49 angy where we were, java would not even start the first measure I think ;)
23:49 angy I have to find a slave to try doing it in java
23:49 eadthem i mean like java is excuseable for notepad  and calc.exe
23:49 tonsofpcs ?
23:49 Cprossu nope
23:49 eadthem eclipse is slow  because its java
23:49 eadthem to slow for me
23:49 angy my IDE is vim
23:50 Cprossu especially with java's infamous floating point calculation errors, I'd never trust it for calc.
23:50 tonsofpcs my IDE is a notebook.  Spiral bound.  Easy-tear microperforated pages.
23:50 tonsofpcs 1/4" grids if I can get it, otherwise college-ruled.
23:50 tonsofpcs err, 1/8"
23:50 Cprossu my IDE is vim.
23:50 eadthem my ide is visualstudio 2005  or 2010  but  2010 is almost as sluggish as eclipse
23:50 tonsofpcs vim isn't as tightly integrated as a spiral bound notebook ;)
23:50 angy given the length of what I write, can be hard to use a notebook ;)
23:51 Cprossu tonsofpcs You are right.
23:51 angy I have one windows computer, my gaming machine ;)
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23:51 eadthem thats 1 thing ile missin linux    beaing able to stop a exe mid execution   change the sourcecode     read and edit all the varables in scope and then resume exeuction doing a compile on the fly
23:51 tonsofpcs my htpc/avid edit system/gaming system runs Vista x64
23:51 Cprossu I only use vim because I like being able to read my writings, tonsofpcs :)
23:51 eadthem ile mail cookies to someone if they know of a IDE in linux that allows edit and continue with GCC
23:52 angy I'm on windows 7 because of I can't remember what thing
23:52 Cprossu I'm on Windows XP x64 on this computer because I am weird.
23:52 angy if you use gdb, you can do that
23:52 angy I got it on my hospital worstation
23:52 eadthem im on win xp pro atm  because  my next one will be linux  and microsoft has yet to release anything newer than windows xp
23:52 eadthem that counts as a OS
23:53 angy because I need to have XP (they don't support anything else) and I have 4 processors
23:53 Cprossu my Avid laptop runs XP 32
23:53 eadthem i will have to keep this computer around however
23:54 angy all other computers are either MacOS, Solaris or some kind of weird *nux flavor
23:54 eadthem amazon dose not yet have a way to use amazon unbox on linux
23:54 angy I don't think I have a single linux computer around
23:54 eadthem as for gameing   SWG and wow both run on linux
23:54 Cprossu about 1/2 of my running computers are linux.
23:54 tonsofpcs Cprossu: lol
23:55 eadthem i supose i could say 2/3 of my computers are running linux
23:55 eadthem the routers ipcop and the servers suse
23:55 angy I prefer running OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD and Haiku
23:55 * tonsofpcs has Avid MC 5
23:55 Cprossu you asshole.
23:56 tonsofpcs it's not much better than 3...
23:56 Cprossu I am running MC4
23:56 Cprossu iirc
23:56 eadthem avid mc5?
23:56 tonsofpcs Media Composer
23:56 Cprossu it's a raft of shit.
23:56 tonsofpcs the box is on the floor over >>
23:56 Cprossu AvidHD was the best imo
23:56 Cprossu it actually worked =P
23:56 tonsofpcs MC5.5 apparently makes DSLR video usable
23:56 tonsofpcs but it's a paid upgrade
23:56 eadthem mmm all i have is virtual dub
23:56 Cprossu yeah assholes on that one
23:56 tonsofpcs and I don't plan on giving them money.
23:57 Cprossu yeah I hear you
23:57 tonsofpcs If I'm spending, I'll crossgrade to Premiere
23:57 eadthem jashaka gets the award for beeing the most thrilling useless media editing software
23:57 eadthem and thats about the only honrable mention
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23:57 eadthem someone realy shuld make a opensource project to take care fo the video editing market
23:58 angy you need lot of support with that
23:58 eadthem why?
23:58 eadthem how hard could it be
23:58 eadthem you need to know a fue file formats
23:58 angy in a media room, no one what to have to do a forum post and have to wait
23:58 eadthem thats the compelx part
23:58 angy they want to call someone and have the answer
23:59 eadthem why shuld the software be so shitty they need to do a forum post or call for a answer
23:59 angy bug free don't exist
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23:59 eadthem if you have to offer tech support for your software   then youve fucked up at the begenning
23:59 astro73|derrial eadthem: just what kind of video editing?
23:59 astro73|derrial ubuntu now ships with a basic non-linear editor
23:59 eadthem NLE
23:59 angy given the number of platform/driver combination, you *have* too
23:59 eadthem ya ive tryed the linux NLE stuff
23:59 eadthem its crap
23:59 tonsofpcs astro73|derrial: lol

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