Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-08-25

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Time Nick Message
00:00 angy you can't test on all you can have lying around
00:00 tonsofpcs which "non-linear editor" is that?
00:00 astro73|derrial on par with iMovie or windows movie maker, i think
00:00 Cprossu every bug fix, creates 2 more bugs.
00:00 tonsofpcs eadthem: yes.
00:00 eadthem windows movie maker is better     execpt for the output qualaty is fixed at 320x280
00:00 angy or you do like Dassault System and CATIA, if you want it (quite) bug free, you buy the soft, the computer and the support using them
00:00 astro73|derrial i haven't tried it; don't do any video stuff.
00:00 angy (or IBM for the matter)
00:00 Cprossu movie maker sucks, so does imovie. if you use either for NLE you're doing it wrong.
00:00 eadthem Cprossu  ya   you shuldnt have that issue if its programmed right
00:01 Cprossu it won't be eadthem
00:01 tonsofpcs the best $free video editor is probably iMovie.  That said, in Leo Laporte's terms:  It requires the world's most expensive dongle, a mac.
00:01 astro73|derrial (also, imho, there won't be an FOSS alternative on-par with adobe, just because of algorithms and patents involved)
00:01 Cprossu and what you think is right at the time will mess up something later.
00:01 tonsofpcs astro73|derrial: VLMC is looking promising, but they need help
00:01 eadthem i do software as a hobby
00:01 tonsofpcs there's just 2 guys working on it
00:01 eadthem it takes time  but you can do it right and bugfree
00:02 speedrunnerG55 Hey Cprossu i got the internet working on virtualbox no problem
00:02 eadthem and you can do it so 1 fix wont break another area
00:02 speedrunnerG55 ^_^
00:02 angy you can't if I run another video driver, you can't be absolutely sure it won't bug
00:02 eadthem its not alwase easy  but  the time you spend at the begenning is made up for in the end
00:02 angy you can write bug free, but you'll have to provide the whole, the computer, the whole softwares
00:02 Hackbat I have to help my gender studies teacher with his PC
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00:02 eadthem not true
00:03 Hackbat the videocard isn't working, lol
00:03 astro73|derrial just saying, the usual assumption is that there will be bugs
00:03 eadthem NLE dosent need to do anything advanced with hardware
00:03 angy not the point
00:03 eadthem i mean how do you download the video from a camera
00:03 angy if you write a windows, you use video driver
00:03 astro73|derrial eadthem: I don't know. How DO you download the video from a video camera?
00:04 eadthem ither you copy the file    or you stream it  the latter beaiing the only hardware intensive part
00:04 astro73|derrial last time i did anything with video was in high school, and we were using DV tapes
00:05 eadthem angy you mean like 2d and 3d acceration?  perhaps direct show type stuff
00:05 angy I don't know windows, but be sure that drivers, architecture, local installed softwares are very likely to bug your bug free code
00:05 tlockley good god do i hate dv capture
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00:06 angy in my lab, we got ``bug free'' code that run very well on all computers, except a single one where it crashes all times
00:06 tonsofpcs tlockley: why? single cable for video, audio, and control!
00:07 tonsofpcs angy: cpu is broken.
00:07 angy nope
00:07 angy everything works on it
00:07 tonsofpcs note: i've actually had a faulty CPU.  Faulty CPUs can make windows tell you that time is negative!
00:07 angy except that code, and it's not even that intensive
00:07 eadthem gtk+ gstreamer and opengl    and you shuldnt need opengl for NLE
00:07 astro73|derrial angy: oh, god, that happened to me with a website. and the one computer was one of the business people's!
00:07 tonsofpcs (clock bounced between today w/ + time and tomorrow w/ - time)
00:07 Cprossu glad to hear it though speedrunnerG55, virtualbox actually works when it wants to heh
00:08 Cprossu I don't know why virtualPC is such a p.o.s.
00:08 tlockley tonsofpcs: mostly because if you have prerecorded materials you need to capture at 1to1 and raw DV is HUGE
00:08 angy it works well, when you don't need it
00:08 tlockley so huge that many early capture machines couldnt handle the single file size
00:08 eadthem whats the opensource one
00:08 speedrunnerG55 And Cprossu. Whenever i restart my pc i hqve to reconect the virtual dist to the machine
00:08 eadthem qemu
00:08 tonsofpcs tlockley: so?
00:09 eadthem just not a fan of vbox after oracle bought sun
00:09 tonsofpcs 1:1 capture is FAST
00:09 Cprossu yeah it is
00:09 speedrunnerG55 Like i hqve to remove the mqchine and create a new one and use the virtual disc. Thats there
00:09 tlockley it one took me 2 days to capture 12hrs of vid because the capture machine kept crashing
00:09 * tonsofpcs hands tlockley 30 seconds of film to scan frames from.
00:09 tonsofpcs let me know when you're done.
00:09 Cprossu and realtime mpeg2 decoder/encoders made life happy
00:09 Cprossu made rendering nice too
00:09 * tonsofpcs has quite a few MPEG2 encoders and a number of decoders...
00:09 eadthem how do you do a capture from a DV
00:10 tonsofpcs ieee1394
00:10 Cprossu firwirer
00:10 eadthem its via a tuner card right
00:10 tonsofpcs (a)
00:10 eadthem o
00:10 Cprossu *firewire
00:10 Cprossu it's simple as hell
00:10 eadthem how standardised is the protocall
00:10 tonsofpcs yes.
00:10 Cprossu digital stream and happiness
00:10 tlockley extremely
00:10 eadthem i mean is it just like a filesystem on a tape drive?
00:10 tonsofpcs Ieee1394 was written for DV video transfer.
00:10 tonsofpcs no, it's timecode, transport control, and video (and audio)
00:10 Cprossu any dv deck or 'cheap dv deck'(a camcorder) will support it.
00:10 eadthem so nothing to complex
00:11 speedrunnerG55 I think its funny how im always havving to type messages into the server when i shut down and login
00:11 tlockley no its just when captured is uncompressed
00:11 speedrunnerG55 I type stuf like all you base are belong to us and "lol"
00:11 tlockley which on crappy machines can wreak havvoc
00:11 masterofmonks Well I now have the materials for a pretty badass work bench.
00:11 angy_eating ieee1394 was written to replace // SCSI
00:11 Cprossu ohhhh lol there's a registry key to disable that you know speedrunnerG55
00:11 masterofmonks Got a couple of extremely heavy duty pallets from work.
00:12 speedrunnerG55 Oh
00:13 Cprossu HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\Reliability
00:13 Cprossu ShutdownReasonOn set to 0
00:13 Cprossu ShutdownReasonUI set to 0
00:13 eadthem so to me it just sounds like a opensource NLE program  just takes a lot of time but not 1 thing is by its self horrably complex or requires low leval hardware access or hardware dependant codeing
00:13 Cprossu damn he left
00:14 eadthem use botsteve
00:14 Cprossu you need rather low hardware level access to be fast with large files.
00:14 eadthem fast file access ive done
00:14 Cprossu you've done x86 assembler?
00:14 tonsofpcs no you don't.
00:15 Cprossu I don't think so =P
00:15 eadthem you dont need x86 assembly to get decent speed
00:15 Cprossu yeah you do.
00:15 Cprossu we're talking an exponential speed decrease here.
00:15 Cprossu you need hand coded routines to deal with these files
00:15 tonsofpcs a hardware RAID controller is much faster than low-level software.
00:16 Cprossu if you don't waste the speed with badly written software tonsofpcs
00:17 eadthem decent speed comes from  fopen fread
00:17 eadthem faster speed comes from os dependant IO
00:17 eadthem but fread can alredy get 20MB a sec on my system
00:18 eadthem and thats compiled in full debug with edit and continue support
00:18 eadthem point is  its all in a c/c++ library
00:20 tlockley I think what you will find makes a good NLE is a combination of very well and specifically written software and solid hardware
00:21 tlockley it only takes one weak part to nerf the whole deal
00:25 eadthem still dont think NLE software shuld be that hard
00:26 eadthem id think the hardest part is going to be getting all the decoders and ecoders for all the file types workign right
00:26 tlockley that it will
00:27 tlockley but I have faith
00:29 astro73|derrial eadthem: last i saw, VLC had that, and gstreamer had a good part of that
00:29 eadthem ya i was thinking between  gstreamer  ffmpeg and vlc  thers all the codecs
00:30 eadthem but  of those   vlc has had crashy issues with bad and corrupt files
00:30 astro73|derrial and most of them have most of them
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00:30 eadthem witch means one of there programmers  took the easy way out somewhere or did something wrong  and thus  disqualfies it
00:30 Cprossu good luck eadthem lol
00:30 * Cprossu will buy a hat for your editing program if it works
00:30 astro73|derrial funny, in my experience, vlc did a pretty good job of playing stuff, and when it failed, it would spit out errors
00:31 eadthem ya vlc does quite well
00:31 Cprossu in my experience vlc does a good job playing really badly corrupted files
00:31 eadthem but i had this 1 file  that could rase hell with it
00:31 tlockley except for MKVs
00:31 astro73|derrial did you send it along to the devs?
00:31 Cprossu mkv's are just a giant piece of crap sometimes
00:31 tlockley but that is a really strange file/container anyways
00:32 eadthem i need to as soon as i find it agan
00:32 tlockley .seen dr_jkl
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00:32 Cprossu sometimes building your software to work on the exceptions will make your algorythms 50% slower
00:32 Cprossu *algorithms
00:32 Cprossu I should really install a spellcheck in mirc
00:33 Cprossu it would make me appear less an idiot
00:33 tlockley eh
00:33 tlockley atleast you dont have os wide autcorrect to fight with
00:33 tlockley *autocorrect
00:33 eadthem the other issue with using premade decoders and encoders is the internal format has to be fast enuff to index    preview  and work with for the purpose of NLE
00:33 Cprossu eadthem: this is where encoding/decoding hardware works
00:34 Cprossu and GPU offloading as of late.
00:34 eadthem prefferably lossless compression
00:34 Cprossu no
00:34 Cprossu never
00:34 Cprossu you need lossy compression for your working copy
00:34 astro73|derrial loseless compression is a nice idea
00:34 Cprossu and low qual
00:34 Cprossu it's a nice and great idea but when you try and do it 'human realtime'
00:34 Cprossu it falls apart
00:34 tlockley the edit copy can look like shit so long as the final render is spot on
00:34 Cprossu you need a compression mechanism you can second guess on render times
00:35 Cprossu exactly.
00:35 eadthem thats how most NLE systems do it?  low qualaty and losssy for editing  and then send the job to the farm to do the full high qualaty
00:35 astro73|derrial that would be why PNG is the only loseless compressor that's taken off
00:35 tlockley exactly
00:35 Cprossu eadthem: exactly
00:35 tlockley that is why apple made a killing on final cut server
00:35 Cprossu no, they made a killing on it beacause it was easier to use than avid.
00:35 eadthem what resolution we talking about for pro video
00:35 tlockley that to
00:36 tlockley anywhere from 720x480 up to 4k
00:36 eadthem 4k x 4k ?
00:36 tlockley depends on what you are shooting for
00:36 Cprossu on the older systems your preview video was rarely 240 lines.
00:36 eadthem like the HD stuff that TGG dose
00:36 eadthem what rez is that
00:36 tlockley i dont remember what the res is for 4k. hand on
00:36 tlockley eadthem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
00:37 tlockley TGG does 1080p i think
00:37 astro73|derrial HD generally runs up to 1080p, right?
00:37 tlockley or a combo of 1080p and i
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00:37 Cprossu it depends on the video and the systems they use on what day
00:37 Cprossu their rendering times are horrendous though
00:38 eadthem 12MB per a frame
00:38 eadthem thats horrid
00:38 tlockley yah
00:38 tlockley but thats digital cine for you
00:38 astro73|derrial do we need to build a render farm for tgg?
00:38 Cprossu you need good equipment before you can do that astro73|derrial
00:39 Cprossu there is none to be had in grand rapids.
00:39 tlockley render farms are only usefull if the NLE software supports it
00:39 tlockley that and dont they do most of the editing on Vegas?
00:39 Cprossu at least none to be had at non-stratospheric prices
00:39 eadthem sorry thats 12MB for grayscale
00:39 eadthem its 38MB ish for 24 bit color
00:39 astro73|derrial Cprossu: i think you mean "none anyone is giving away"
00:39 Cprossu no I mean our second hand stuff here
00:40 Cprossu is insane.
00:40 eadthem 50MB a frame if you have full color and alpha
00:40 Cprossu your stuff is third world country, astro73|derrial
00:40 astro73|derrial *shakes head* michigan...
00:40 eadthem 1920×1080*3 = 6MB per frame
00:41 eadthem k so ya i see why they do editing in the low qualaty stuff
00:41 tlockley yah
00:41 Cprossu doing any editing in full res would be a crashing slow nightmare
00:41 eadthem i think full res is dooable
00:41 Cprossu that's why we always create a low res 'working copy'
00:41 Cprossu then you are uninformed.
00:41 eadthem with 16GB ram  and 3 seperate HDD channals
00:42 Cprossu no way, jose.
00:42 tlockley i think you need to try your hand working with a 2hr long timeline of mixed formats and tell me fullrez is possible
00:42 Cprossu think more SSD and more GPU offloading
00:42 eadthem i was just thinking about storage at this point
00:42 tlockley also i find it funny that Sony Vegas started as a audio editor
00:43 Cprossu so raid 0 striped, ~1tb or so total ssd 'scratch disk'
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00:43 Cprossu ~3-4 geforce 460 equivalent graphics boards
00:43 tlockley attached over dual 4GB/s fibre
00:43 eadthem when i say dooable i mean  1080 max  and not showing every frame
00:43 Cprossu 2 of those should have a cuda realtime app of some sort on it
00:43 Cprossu sata3 would be fine tlockley
00:44 Cprossu eadthem then it's not doable
00:44 Cprossu editing requires every frame
00:44 Cprossu by default.
00:44 Cprossu you have to be able to step through video frame by freaking frame or you cannot edit.
00:44 eadthem depends  if your previewing  you probably dont nessicarly need every frame  all the time for the full lenght
00:45 Cprossu you need to on NLE
00:45 Cprossu it's a requirement
00:45 eadthem if your doing the editing you have to have every frame at around where your at
00:45 Cprossu and to make it quick and workable you need to be able to select a completely different piece of video
00:45 Cprossu and it be fluid and ready
00:45 eadthem yep
00:46 Cprossu wysiwyg has to apply to the preview video and effects too
00:46 Cprossu and if it even differs slightly you failed.
00:46 Cprossu resolution aside that is
00:47 eadthem 30FPS right
00:47 Cprossu 29.97 technically
00:47 Cprossu and less if you are doing 'movie'
00:47 tlockley and even then not all vid conforms to 29.97
00:47 eadthem iye  24 iirc
00:47 Cprossu 24ptsomething though
00:47 tlockley yep
00:48 eadthem or 48 for 3d
00:48 Cprossu 3d will die
00:48 Cprossu again
00:48 Cprossu like it always has
00:48 tlockley in a fire this time
00:48 Cprossu because no one likes headaches.
00:48 eadthem imax 3d with the poliriser tech might hang on
00:48 tlockley no one likes shitty conversions
00:48 astro73|derrial what's PAL?
00:48 tlockley either
00:48 Cprossu it's a niche market eadthem
00:48 tlockley astro73|derrial: wierd
00:48 eadthem but the red blue glasses i dont even understand why they brought them back
00:48 astro73|derrial and NTSC isn't?
00:49 tlockley they are all strange
00:49 astro73|derrial how do they even come up with 29.97?
00:49 astro73|derrial eadthem: who brought it back?
00:49 Cprossu NTSC = Never The Same Color
00:49 Cprossu ;)
00:49 tlockley lol
00:49 Cprossu I believe it now more than ever after visiting the lab.
00:50 eadthem i think spykids 3 was the first one to bring 3d back
00:50 eadthem or one of the
00:50 tlockley o_O
00:50 eadthem then imax had there whole poliriser tech
00:50 tlockley the polarization is nice
00:51 tlockley the problem is that for other theaters that do things like D3D
00:51 eadthem i dont understand how that works projected off a screen
00:51 tlockley they never change the lenses back for 2d
00:51 eadthem id think the screen would distroy the polirsation
00:51 eadthem D3D?
00:52 tlockley digital 3d
00:52 eadthem shutter glasses?
00:52 tlockley no
00:52 tlockley it uses digital cine projectors and polarizers
00:52 eadthem oic
00:52 tlockley but for imax and d3d the screen is only there for reflextion
00:52 tlockley *reflection
00:53 tlockley iirc that alone does not destroy the polarization
00:53 eadthem cant see how imax could forget to flip it off  beangs there polariser is a swing over lense in front of the projector
00:53 eadthem would bet that the projector dose it automaticly
00:53 tlockley imax has the 3d/2d thing down
00:53 eadthem ither via the digial audio program  or something
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00:53 tlockley for d3d tho most of them are sony projectors
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00:54 tlockley and sony has shitty regs about how to change lenses
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00:54 eadthem sony is shitty all around
00:54 tlockley well if you mess up the lense change
00:54 tlockley the projector bricks itself
00:54 tlockley and then you have a $20,000 cinderblock
00:54 eadthem let me guess  they got lockout chips in the lenses
00:54 tlockley yep
00:55 eadthem so the projector can turn off if the lense isnt replaced every 2000 hours
00:55 eadthem sounds like a sony move
00:55 tlockley so many theaters never change the lenses unless it absolutely needs to happen
00:55 tlockley thats why some movies look like total shit in theaters
00:56 tlockley because the polarizers kill upto half the light intensity
00:56 eadthem just thinking   a imax projector would make a good autopsi video    but only if you put it back together for use :p
00:56 tlockley so the dynamic range gets all fucked
00:56 eadthem aww well thats why you walk out in the first 30 min  for a refund
00:57 tlockley its just lame for those not in the know
00:58 tlockley there was a good artcle about it. im gonna see if i can dig it up
01:01 tlockley http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2011/05/22/misuse_of_3_d_digital_lens_leaves_2_d_movies_in_the_dark/?page=full
01:08 tlockley lol apple borked the LDAP implimentation in Lion
01:10 eadthem tlockley the solution    watch it at a smaller cinama
01:10 tlockley indeed
01:10 eadthem the one in alma nebraska is nice      city/community run
01:10 tlockley its just annoying. but watching movies on a christie or a barco is amazing
01:10 eadthem 1/2 price tickets  and every other row of seats are removed
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01:11 tlockley actually here i had to good fortune to help convert my high schools auditorium into a temporarly dolby digital cinema with a 10k lumen Digital Image projector
01:11 tlockley oh man was that fun and good looking
01:12 tlockley plus the tools that Dobly bring to tune the room are crazy
01:13 eadthem dolby brings?
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01:13 tlockley ya
01:13 tlockley they have their own custom built 5mic multiplexd RTA that they use to tune the room
01:13 tlockley its bad ass
01:13 eadthem what can i say   dolby and THX    they may go to extreams  but the results are worth it
01:13 tlockley but all the pink noise can get annoying
01:14 tlockley oh yah. when you do stuff like that they send a tech and all the tools needed
01:14 tlockley plus the cinema processors that they have are just amazing
01:15 tlockley it was a shame that we used jbl jrx120s for the surround channels
01:15 tlockley they dont sound nearly as crisp as their VRXs
01:15 tlockley but the VRX is the wrong speaker type as well
01:16 eadthem i have 2 watt front channal  2x by 6 watts for the rear/surround  and 10 watts for sub and center
01:16 tlockley nice
01:16 tlockley remember watts arent everything
01:16 eadthem ya
01:17 tlockley i still have a realistic from the early 60s
01:17 tlockley 10w per channel
01:17 eadthem if  i ignore what could be a nabor issue
01:17 tlockley and it still sound amazin and kan kick it just as loud as anything
01:17 tlockley shit i cant type tonigh
01:18 eadthem and i turn things on(sub center)   and turn up other things        run load.exe so the soundblaster stops crackling (100% cpu load   makes windows handle irq calls before they are called)
01:18 eadthem i can make this system sound better than most pepoles cars  and some theaters ive been in
01:18 tlockley lol
01:18 eadthem but man i would love to have a set of speakers that atleast looks like they wer all made in the same year
01:19 tlockley i know what you mean
01:19 eadthem front channal are computer speakers   rear  is a fisher tape deck  and the sub/center is a LLOYDs recever with tape player
01:19 tlockley nice
01:19 eadthem LLOYD'S solid state iirc
01:20 tlockley i never really bought into the whole tube vs. solid state
01:20 tlockley if the amp is built like ass it sounds like ass
01:20 eadthem man its a old audio amp     it works as a amp  and it has 8 inch speakers
01:20 eadthem those wer the extent of my qualafactions after  living in a apartment and   budget was considerd
01:21 tlockley yah. i have been spoiled by previous employers
01:21 eadthem ile probably burn them all when i buy a house and build my own amp
01:21 tlockley there ya go
01:22 tlockley but if want to see some nifty speakers look at these ---> http://www.technomad.com/products/
01:22 tlockley they are ugly as sin but fantastic if you do outdoor live sound
01:22 eadthem nice
01:23 tlockley they also work a great loaners because they are dman near indestructable
01:23 tlockley *as
01:25 eadthem ya they just installed like 20 or 30 new speakers at the church i go to     they sound great but i cant help but think    how great of a theater sound system they could of made if they wanted to
01:25 tlockley 70volt?
01:25 eadthem no
01:25 tlockley good
01:25 eadthem no logos
01:26 tlockley might be QSC or Jamo
01:26 tlockley if you are lucky they could be JBL
01:27 eadthem i think there electrovoice
01:27 tlockley not bad
01:27 eadthem http://www.electrovoice.com/family.php?id=10 kinda look liek that
01:27 tlockley line arrays?
01:27 eadthem 2  big long ones  all the same box shape
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01:28 eadthem 2 speakers each
01:28 eadthem and at the bottom thers a small tweeter section
01:28 tlockley huh, well that will definanly get you good sound coverage
01:28 eadthem then they got a bunch of pairs of boxes  same as those  spaced elsewhere around the hall
01:29 eadthem and i mean its a good setup
01:29 eadthem but it alwase irrtates me when i see  good setups used for  PA applcations
01:30 tlockley yah, these are tour quality speakers
01:30 eadthem could be so much more with some pendulum comming out of them
01:30 tlockley indeed :D
01:31 tlockley that is why i loved my old employer. as long as nothing broke i could do what i wanted with the gear
01:31 tlockley so it was not uncommon to hookup all our line arrays and subs and just rock out
01:31 eadthem why do you reffer to them as your old employer?
01:31 tlockley well i was employed by my college
01:31 eadthem oic
01:32 tlockley so i kinda got paid to go to school
01:32 eadthem i was thinking out of busnes
01:32 eadthem busness
01:32 tlockley not yet
01:32 tlockley but it was nice because we could basically requesition whatever we wanted at the end of every school year...
01:32 eadthem when i was in collage i applyed at this one audiophile store once
01:32 tlockley so long as it was "useful" for commencement
01:32 eadthem they had some realy insane stuff
01:33 tlockley yah, audiophiles can be crazy
01:33 tlockley thankfully i am not one of the insane ones
01:33 eadthem stereo 1000W each channal  system
01:33 eadthem interview didnt go well
01:33 eadthem i asked so what do you need with that many watts
01:33 tlockley the highest of fidellitys
01:34 tlockley and there goes my spelling
01:34 CaptainNiobe morning all :)
01:34 tlockley morning/evening
01:34 CaptainNiobe :)
01:36 eadthem CaptainBoden by chance was that outlet high on a wall?
01:36 CaptainNiobe ... i'm not chris... lol...
01:36 eadthem it could be for a hanging clock
01:36 eadthem i know
01:37 CaptainNiobe sorry, it's a mistake many make, and i treat it as an ongoing joke lol
01:37 eadthem botsteve: tell CaptainBoden could the outlet with the lamp rod be for a clock?  and the lamp rod for hanging it?
01:37 BotSteve eadthem: I'll pass that on when CaptainBoden is around.
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01:50 Druidic_Rifleman this weather is insane
01:50 Druidic_Rifleman .weather oshawa
01:50 BotSteve Overcast ☁, ?, ?mb, Thundery Rain, Light breeze 6kt (↑) - CYKZ, 01:16Z
01:56 lwq1996 anyone here
01:56 tlockley sup
01:56 lwq1996 hello
01:57 wannabe1987 hi lee...i'm giong to reboot, brb.
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01:58 lwq1996 ok
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02:08 Toastdude Hi CaptainNiobe
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02:11 CaptainNiobe hey Toastdude, how are you?
02:11 Toastdude I'm doing well, how are you?
02:12 lwq1996 TOAST\
02:12 CaptainNiobe i'm good, just installed pidgin, so... sorta learning about it while using it lol
02:12 Toastdude lwq1996: !
02:12 Toastdude Lol
02:13 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Radioactive on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon
02:13 lwq1996 LOL
02:13 Toastdude Ho are you Lee?
02:13 Toastdude *How
02:14 lwq1996 sunburnt...again
02:14 Toastdude Aw...
02:14 Toastdude Why?
02:14 lwq1996 virginia beach
02:15 AgCNO6 Ah...
02:16 Toastdude BatSteve
02:16 Toastdude HI!!!
02:16 BatSteve Toastdude
02:16 BatSteve Hi!
02:16 Toastdude lol
02:19 BatSteve What's up?
02:19 wannabe1987 joined #thegeekgroup
02:19 BatSteve Anything interesting going on?
02:19 lwq1996 the sky
02:19 wannabe1987 weather :)
02:19 CaptainNiobe wb wannabe1987
02:19 lwq1996 tsunami
02:19 BatSteve wannabe1987's here - she's pretty interesting
02:20 wannabe1987 :)
02:20 Toastdude I'm about to talk to my dad BatSteve
02:20 wannabe1987 so true
02:20 Toastdude Yay! wannabe1987
02:20 lwq1996 BATSTEVE.....i felt the earth quake...im in vi
02:20 wannabe1987 thx CaptainNiobe
02:20 lwq1996 or va
02:20 wannabe1987 va
02:20 BatSteve awesome!  I'm pretty sad - I didn't feel it
02:20 Toastdude Me too.... I don't think I've ever felt one...
02:20 wannabe1987 same
02:20 lwq1996 lol...first earth quake and i had to be on vacation to feel it
02:21 lwq1996 o.o i hear gun shots
02:21 wannabe1987 o.O
02:22 Toastdude Great time will be had by all... Earthquakes and gunshots
02:22 wannabe1987 hi Toastdude, lwq1996, BatSteve, CaptainNiobe
02:22 CaptainNiobe hey :P
02:22 lwq1996 lol yep toast
02:22 lwq1996 .seen masterofmonks
02:22 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw masterofmonks 2.18 hours ago at 2011-08-25 00:11:53 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:22:48 UTC
02:23 lwq1996 masterofmonks you on a tea break?
02:23 BatSteve gunshots?  cool.  Unless they're aimed at you
02:23 Toastdude Quite true
02:23 lwq1996 lol...
02:23 Toastdude Never shot anything larger than a paintball gun
02:24 lwq1996 lol...i shot a shotgun
02:24 wannabe1987 i have
02:24 wannabe1987 ak-47
02:24 Toastdude You do wannabe??
02:24 wannabe1987 have shot
02:24 Toastdude Sorry, you have?
02:24 wannabe1987 i dont own
02:24 wannabe1987 its my x's
02:25 lwq1996 she has a handgun and a rifle if im right
02:25 wannabe1987 wrong
02:25 Toastdude Wow, cool
02:25 ajprog_laptop sks
02:25 wannabe1987 hold on ice cream is melting
02:25 Toastdude But still cool to have shot an AK-47...
02:25 * lwq1996 wishes he was near a ice cream place
02:25 wannabe1987 yes
02:26 * Toastdude does too
02:26 lwq1996 was it a semi auto or a fully wannabe
02:26 wannabe1987 BatSteve whats the difference?
02:27 * CaptainNiobe thinks it's too cold for icecream
02:27 wannabe1987 ...
02:27 * lwq1996 facepalm
02:27 wannabe1987 .tfw 49006
02:27 BotSteve 80°F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Kalamazoo, MI!  'uncontrollable swamp-ass'
02:27 Toastdude Semi means you dont have to cock it, you just pull the trugger
02:27 Toastdude Auto means you just hold down the trigger and it fires automatically
02:27 wannabe1987 i dont' remember :(
02:27 wannabe1987 sorry guys
02:28 wannabe1987 whichever is legal in indiana....
02:28 Toastdude That's okay :P
02:28 lwq1996 wannabe a semi auto means you pull the trigger and one bullet comes out...fully auto means you pull and lots of bullets come out
02:28 wannabe1987 its why he won't move to ILL
02:28 wannabe1987 then it was semi auto
02:28 CaptainNiobe i didn't think full autos were allowed in the usa?
02:28 BatSteve lots of things are legal in indiana
02:28 wannabe1987 lol BatSteve thats why he won't move to illionaise....he'd have to give up some guns...
02:28 BatSteve CaptainNiobe: incorrect, it's just difficult to get all the proper forms signed
02:28 wannabe1987 he's got lots of them
02:28 BatSteve difficult and expensive
02:29 CaptainNiobe ahh, ok, my mistake
02:29 BatSteve no worries
02:29 Toastdude Illinois...
02:29 BatSteve wannabe1987: yeah, don't go to illinois, go to indiana
02:29 wannabe1987 yes that
02:29 BatSteve gun laws are much better there
02:29 wannabe1987 lol i shot the first gun (.22) in mi tho...in a sand pit
02:29 Toastdude Lol, or Missouri... They allow otherwise illegal fireworks
02:30 masterofmonks Toastdude: most places do.
02:30 lwq1996 move to pa...you are born with a gun in your hand
02:30 masterofmonks You just have to know how to justify having them.
02:30 lwq1996 masterofmonks...question today?
02:31 Toastdude Colorado's better for seeing the Milky Way...
02:31 wannabe1987 yes it is...
02:31 wannabe1987 lee o.O
02:31 angy_ hi wannabe!
02:31 wannabe1987 hi angy_!
02:31 wannabe1987 hows you?
02:32 angy_ fine, you?
02:32 wannabe1987 alive.
02:33 masterofmonks For +v tonight. "Who was the 6th Secretary-General of the United Nations, and what was his nationality? And Who is the current Secretary-General of the United nations, and what is his nationality?"
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02:35 CaptainNiobe whoops... accidently xed out of pidgin lol
02:35 lwq1996 lol..linux newb i see
02:36 CaptainNiobe sorta... first time using pidgin, so...
02:36 BatSteve http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU34/S_idi9y9hxI/AAAAAAAAEqk/AtOZkGo-YSA/s400/HansBrix.jpg
02:36 Toastdude Masterofmonks: Current one is Ban Ki-moon and his nationality is Korean
02:37 masterofmonks Toastdude: Two part question.
02:37 CaptainNiobe at me, BatSteve? :P
02:37 lwq1996 captainniobe what linux name u using..ubuntu, gentoo, ferdora
02:37 CaptainNiobe actually, this pidgin is for windows... i run xp pro...
02:37 angy_ pwed
02:38 lwq1996 oh
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02:38 Toastdude Masterofmonks: And Boutros Boutros-Ghali and he's Egyptian
02:38 Toastdude Hi Katemonster
02:38 masterofmonks Toastdude: Which Korea?
02:38 lwq1996 didnt know you were using a pidgin for windows
02:38 CaptainNiobe hey Katemonster
02:38 lwq1996 KATE
02:38 Toastdude South Korea
02:38 Toastdude Lol, WTF
02:39 CaptainNiobe hey AAAAUGHmonster :P
02:39 AAAAUGHmonster hi.
02:39 Toastdude He cool
02:39 masterofmonks ARgh Argh I'm Dying You Idiot!
02:39 lwq1996 WHATEVERTHEFUCKYOURNAMEmonster...hi
02:39 CaptainNiobe LOL!!!
02:39 AAAAUGHmonster hi lwq.
02:39 Toastdude masterofmonks: Can you give it to AgCNO6?
02:39 Toastdude LOL
02:40 * Toastdude wishes they allowed enought letters to have a name like that
02:40 Toastdude Thank you masterofmonks
02:40 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/dad-damnlol-is-down-5784.html
02:41 lwq1996 ik toast...then i would be llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq111111111111111111111111111111999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999666666666666666666666666666666
02:41 lwq1996 just to piss people off
02:41 AAAAUGHmonster you piss people off enough as it is.
02:41 lwq1996 no i annoy people...
02:42 masterofmonks lwq1996: You wouldn't piss anyone off, I would simply ban you until you changed your nick to a reasonable length.
02:42 lwq1996 so i cant put my name as fuckmylife
02:43 masterofmonks No, you may express that feeling, preferably more eloquently, but using it as a nick, will probably get you G-lined.
02:43 Toastdude G-ined?
02:43 masterofmonks Network level ban.
02:43 CaptainNiobe youch
02:44 Toastdude Oh thats right
02:44 lwq1996 what if i put my name as F**k my life
02:44 Toastdude Don't push it Lee
02:44 masterofmonks Try changing your nick to lwq1996*
02:44 CaptainNiobe "screw my life" would probably be more accepted lol
02:45 lwq1996 erroneous nickname?
02:45 Toastdude Lol
02:45 AAAAUGHmonster you can't have * in your nick.
02:46 lwq1996 what is erroneous
02:46 AAAAUGHmonster erroneous: full of error.
02:46 lwq1996 lol just got that
02:46 AAAAUGHmonster you can use underscores though.
02:47 CaptainNiobe LOL!!!
02:47 lwq1996 you have a wife
02:47 Katemonster no.
02:47 Katemonster that's a thing known as an example.
02:47 Katemonster .define example
02:47 BotSteve example — noun: 1. Something that is representative of all such things in a group, 2. Something that serves to illustrate or explain a rule — verb: 1. To be illustrated or exemplified (by)
02:47 BatSteve I had an example once
02:47 BatSteve it ran awy
02:47 BatSteve *away
02:49 masterofmonks Just for informational purposes, be aware that the network staff can see nick changes, and attempted nick changes.
02:49 masterofmonks Also I am not Freenode staff.
02:49 lwq1996 o.o all of them
02:49 angy it's system command, it's logge
02:49 angy *logged
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02:49 wannabe1987 ...
02:49 wannabe1987 wtf
02:49 Katemonster that seems like a lot of changed to keep track of.
02:49 wannabe1987 anyway i'm back
02:49 lwq1996 WANNABE -HUG-
02:50 Katemonster *changes
02:50 CaptainNiobe hey again wannabe1987
02:50 wannabe1987 lee!  you left fb :(
02:50 wannabe1987 hi CaptainNiobe
02:50 masterofmonks Katemonster: let me show you something....
02:50 Katemonster uh oh
02:50 lwq1996 kelly i didnt...im just not active so it sees e as offline
02:50 wannabe1987 ooo
02:50 wannabe1987 then you'll get what i said
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTEQUIT: Client exiting on server thulcandra.otherworlders.org: fudgebob!~fudgebob@180.192.224.173 [Ping timeout: 121 seconds]
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTECONNECT: Client connecting at thulcandra.otherworlders.org: fudgebob!~fudgebob@180.192.224.173 [180.192.224.173] [Jonas]
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTEQUIT: Client exiting on server khisanth.otherworlders.org: Verte!~Vertel@CPE-124-186-229-85.lns7.woo.bigpond.net.au [Quit: I wear a Stetson now. Stetson's are cool.]
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTEQUIT: Client exiting on server thulcandra.otherworlders.org: redsprite!~Dare_to_Dream@184-77-33-184.gar.clearwire-wmx.net [Quit: Leaving.]
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTECONNECT: Client connecting at khisanth.otherworlders.org: scrawl95!~scrawl@data.searchirc.org [96.126.105.221] [SearchIRC Crawler]
02:52 masterofmonks * *** REMOTEQUIT: Client exiting on server khisanth.otherworlders.org: scrawl95!~scrawl@data.searchirc.org [Quit: [SearchIRC] This message brought to you by the power of grayskull.]
02:52 masterofmonks That is what a couple of minutes looks like on a *slow* network.
02:53 Katemonster ...which more or less confirms my point and/or suspicion, unless i misunderstood something
02:53 masterofmonks Yes, it is a lot to log.
02:53 masterofmonks And logged it is.
02:53 BatSteve But hard drive space is cheap
02:53 angy_ i/o ain'
02:53 angy_ ain't
02:53 lwq1996 not for a good one it isnt
02:54 angy_ hard drive space *is* cheap
02:54 lwq1996 no a main frame space...thats cheap...
02:55 Katemonster maybe i'm just desensitized to how much filth there is on the web but i'm surprised that they would care about profanity in a /nick.  admins of specific forums yeah but for the whole network...
02:55 masterofmonks Katemonster: East to script.
02:55 masterofmonks easy*
02:56 Katemonster to detect/monitor/log/etc profanity in nicks?  yeah, i know, i didn't think it was hard to enforce, i'm just surprised they /care/
02:56 angy_ everyone cares on a public network
02:56 masterofmonks Some do, some don't.
02:57 BatSteve at least one loud, annoying person cares
02:57 Katemonster lol
02:58 lwq1996 me...i woulnt care...its the web lots of ugly things on it
02:59 angy_ not a reason to create one more
03:02 BatSteve "There are many places on the internet where you can be rude.  This channel is one of the few places you can be polite."
03:03 Katemonster unrelated.  http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/940/oxcartbanner2.png
03:03 lwq1996 true bats
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03:07 Toastdude Have to go... Bye everyone
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03:08 CaptainNiobe DAMNIT! LOL!!!
03:08 Toastdude Bye CaptainNiobe
03:08 CaptainNiobe gotta stay off that x button!
03:09 Toastdude Nice...
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03:10 CaptainNiobe i've been using webchat for a few weeks now... used to it being in a browser tab, not a seperate program lol
03:23 lwq1996 /me si going to bed.
03:23 * lwq1996 is going to bed
03:23 lwq1996 night all
03:23 BatSteve so long lwq1996
03:23 lwq1996 night wannabe1987
03:23 lwq1996 night batsteve
03:23 wannabe1987 o.O
03:23 wannabe1987 :(  ok
03:23 wannabe1987 sleep well friend
03:24 lwq1996 night CaptainNiobe
03:24 wannabe1987 :hugs:
03:24 lwq1996 night botsteve
03:24 CaptainNiobe night lwq1996 :) sleep well
03:24 lwq1996 -hugs kelly-
03:24 wannabe1987 :)
03:24 wannabe1987 night awesome person #1
03:24 lwq1996 -hugs irc-
03:24 lwq1996 lol....
03:25 lwq1996 well im going to bed now...night
03:32 wannabe1987 ...
03:32 wannabe1987 BatSteve did you guys get any rain?
03:33 wannabe1987 all we got was cloud-to-cloud lightning and some interesting clouds...
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03:33 BatSteve a little bit, wannabe1987, but not much at all
03:33 BatSteve some cloud-to-cloud though
03:33 wannabe1987 ahh.  we got a few sprinkles, but we were already in the pool so it didn't matter
03:34 wannabe1987 i don't think we'll get that tornado :P
03:34 wannabe1987 .radar 49006
03:34 BotSteve wannabe1987: No such location, or can't find radar data
03:34 wannabe1987 .radar kgrr
03:34 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=GRR&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
03:35 angy_ and I'm gone, bye!
03:35 BatSteve bye angy_
03:35 wannabe1987 bye angy_
03:36 BatSteve I don't think you should be in a pool during a lightning storm, kelly.
03:36 wannabe1987 lol
03:36 BatSteve Im pretty sure there's something wrong with that idea.
03:36 wannabe1987 it wasn't lightning yet...and it was onnly cloud-to-cloud
03:37 wannabe1987 but yes i know
03:37 Katemonster http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3563/agirlcandream.png
03:38 Katemonster hey, i was at a pool party during an electrical storm and i'm still here
03:38 Katemonster (to warn others not to)
03:39 wannabe1987 lol
03:39 wannabe1987 my dog looses his balls on tuesday :D
03:39 Katemonster you seem more excited about that than you should be...
03:39 wannabe1987 lol
03:40 wannabe1987 http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/292829_10150346420160660_637940659_10256257_5289989_n.jpg
03:41 Katemonster ...okay.
03:42 wannabe1987 muschroom
03:43 wannabe1987 mushroom, eve n
03:47 Guardianzozo yo
04:06 BatSteve aight homies.  time for this guy to get to sawin' logs.
04:07 Katemonster the geek group does not condone the operation of chainsaws in one's sleep.
04:08 BatSteve muscle memory
04:08 dr_jkl .
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04:11 dr_jkl website outages are caused partially by architecture issues, which i and the rest of the web team hope to have resolved soon.
04:14 dr_jkl there is a plan in work which is close to being done.
04:17 wannabe1987 hi
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04:29 Druidic_Rifleman Any one ever had crystal head vodka?
04:29 wannabe1987 no
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04:31 wannabe1987 o.O
04:31 wannabe1987 ITS BILL NYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:31 speedrunnerG55 Hi
04:31 speedrunnerG55 I cqught up with my labs thank goodness
04:31 speedrunnerG55 What?
04:32 speedrunnerG55 WHERE!
04:32 wannabe1987 stargate atlantis :P
04:32 wannabe1987 season 5, episode whatever
04:32 speedrunnerG55 O_o
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04:34 wannabe1987 speed!  bill nye died :(
04:34 speedrunnerG55 WHYYYYYYY
04:34 speedrunnerG55 NOOOOOO
04:35 speedrunnerG55 HE WAS MY HERO IN ELMENTERY SCHOOL
04:35 wannabe1987 .wiki bill nye
04:35 BotSteve "William Sanford 'Bill' Nye (born November 27, 1955),[1]| popularly known as Bill Nye the Science Guy, is an American science educator, comedian, television host, actor, and mechanical engineer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_nye
04:35 * speedrunnerG55 caps off
04:35 wannabe1987 not dead yet
04:35 wannabe1987 drew lied
04:35 wannabe1987 he faked his death?  wtf
04:35 speedrunnerG55 O_o
04:36 wannabe1987 drew got his news from the onion :P
04:36 speedrunnerG55 HAHAHA
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04:42 wannabe1987 hi InteliWasp
04:42 InteliWasp hi
04:44 speedrunnerG55 Hi InteliWasp
04:46 wannabe1987 mr hawking was there too...
04:46 speedrunnerG55 O_o
04:47 InteliWasp i just loged on for a local skywarn channel... *looks at sky O.o*
04:47 wannabe1987 watch out....storms and hurricanes coming :P
04:48 speedrunnerG55 Oh my. Cat 2
04:48 speedrunnerG55 Im sooo scared
04:48 * speedrunnerG55 sarcasm
04:48 * speedrunnerG55 suvervived floid
04:49 wannabe1987 hey, i have a friend in FL with a baby that needs electricity to run machines...this hurricane is NOT GOOD
04:49 speedrunnerG55 Ok
04:49 speedrunnerG55 Im sorry then
04:49 wannabe1987 and irene missed haiti again :D
04:50 wannabe1987 o.O dr mckay called bill nye a moron!
04:50 wannabe1987 cuz mr nye is only an engineer
04:50 speedrunnerG55 O_o
04:53 InteliWasp time for me to shut down my computer...
04:54 speedrunnerG55 Bye intelliswap
04:55 speedrunnerG55 ...w/e
04:55 * speedrunnerG55 has hotswapping on the mind
04:56 wannabe1987 why
04:56 speedrunnerG55 Because lab 11 covered hot swappable hdds
04:56 wannabe1987 o ok
04:56 speedrunnerG55 Sutch as scsi and SATA
04:57 wannabe1987 means nothing to me...
04:57 speedrunnerG55 You can replace a hard drive wile the computer is running
04:57 wannabe1987 whoa.
04:57 speedrunnerG55 If its not a boot drive
04:58 speedrunnerG55 And if you are using raid 1 (disc mirroring)
04:59 wannabe1987 ahh.  so like drews computer has 2 hdds and he can swap out the one that the computer doesn't boot from?
04:59 speedrunnerG55 Yes
04:59 wannabe1987 thats cool
04:59 speedrunnerG55 And if its is in raid 1 (mirroring) if one fails you swap it
04:59 speedrunnerG55 And the data trandfers automatically
05:00 speedrunnerG55 But it has to be configured and it has to be a SATA interfase for hot swap
05:00 speedrunnerG55 Or scsi but thats mosly for server
05:03 wannabe1987 :shrug:  you taught me new terminology...good job
05:07 wannabe1987 .log
05:07 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
05:09 speedrunnerG55 Thank you
05:13 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: SitkaGrown on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon
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06:13 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: SitkaGrown on Robotics Lab
06:54 wannabe1987 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phood-in-yo-face/193845940664538
06:54 wannabe1987 nope
06:54 wannabe1987 wrtong link
06:54 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/08/mexican-lasagna.html
06:54 wannabe1987 there
06:55 wannabe1987 bot steve pings?!
06:55 CaptainNiobe what's this for?
06:55 wannabe1987 whats what for?
06:55 astro73|derrial OH NO!
06:55 CaptainNiobe the link
06:55 wannabe1987 my dinner...
06:55 wannabe1987 food i make
06:55 wannabe1987 my blog
06:55 wannabe1987 my blogs facebook page
06:56 wannabe1987 links, are to be clikced on....
06:56 wannabe1987 clicked*
06:56 CaptainNiobe ahh... cool... i'd go see, but i'm thinking of going down to teh space (hsbne) and sorting some more cables... lol...
06:56 wannabe1987 opne, see when you get back?
06:57 CaptainNiobe for sure, but it might not be until late my time... depends how much other stuff i find to do down there (place seriously needs a tidy :P )
06:57 astro73|derrial http://bit.ly/qAAmlK
06:57 wannabe1987 doesn't matter...i'm going to bed soon :P
06:57 wannabe1987 its 3am
06:57 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial id you get your car looked at?
06:58 CaptainNiobe 5pm here... pm me the link so i don't lose it :)
06:58 astro73|derrial not yet, i ended up having long talks with my parents
06:58 wannabe1987 ah.  was your talk productive?
06:59 astro73|derrial for certain values of productive
07:00 astro73|derrial went to bed early, woke up, now i can't sleep
07:00 astro73|derrial so i'm watching jeph draw qc
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07:52 LemPhone evening all
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10:44 [Python] Hello World !
10:45 [Python] or not I see ...
10:48 Thermoelectric Or maybe.
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12:12 AgCNO6-Away Hi speedrunnerG55
12:13 AgCNO6-Away Bye
12:13 Hackbat Today is a very important day
12:13 Hackbat today
12:13 Hackbat Is Linux's Birthday
12:16 speedrunnerG55 Hi AgCNO6-Away
12:17 speedrunnerG55 Happy birthday linux!
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12:28 BIZZAROHACKBAT NICKSERV D:<
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12:49 speedrunnerG55 Hi
12:56 hackbat yo
13:04 * speedrunnerG55 flys around Hackbat
13:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Vmike on Small demo fusor.....Bill Jones on Robotics Lab
13:51 kafka so, um, I STILL don't quite get this...
13:51 kafka people complain all the time at getting 25-30FPS in a videogame, right?
13:51 kafka I can think of two movies with a framerate above 25fps
13:51 kafka NO ONE complains about movies being choppy or anything
13:51 kafka why? because they aren't and 14fps is just fine
13:52 kafka but somehow in videogames everyone gets the magical ability to see things they otherwise can't
13:52 kafka it's like audio cable worship, almost
13:56 NeWtoz common, you know you want an audio cable made of solid gold!
13:56 kafka sure, if only to melt down and use for something else
13:57 NeWtoz blasphemy!
13:58 NeWtoz time to get ready for bed
14:03 CaptainNiobe *yawns* well, that was productive... sorted a box full of tangled cables at hsbne, all are now untangled and ziptied and put away... :D
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14:06 CaptainNiobe oh, so NOW he logs in... LOL!!! *pokes SparkyProjects*
14:06 SparkyProjects I don't log in here straight away, i usually follow the log for a bit
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14:07 BotSteve Welcome back, boss.
14:09 speedrunnerG55 Welcome back BatSteve
14:28 yNos Hello all
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14:30 SparkyProjects Hi
14:30 Sasha_ Oh hi
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14:30 Sasha_ Quick question: what is classified as Class 10 SD card speed?
14:30 Seroster ohai BotSteve
14:30 BotSteve Cheers Seroster!
14:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Alphageek on Robotics Lab
14:32 SparkyProjects Sasha_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital
14:32 SparkyProjects Scroll down to 'speeds'
14:32 Sasha_ I was talking about IRL
14:33 SparkyProjects Not sure what you mean by that :-/
14:34 Sasha_ What sort of speed I'm supposed to expect in real life :P
14:34 Sasha_ But is 7mb/s a fake SD card then?
14:36 SparkyProjects If it says 10MB/s, and you satisfy the 'terms' in which it is used, then i  would expect 10MB/s
14:36 SparkyProjects I'm not sure if having something else running will affect speed etc
14:37 Sasha_ Well, the thing is that I buy most of my cards from Aliexpress, and is a bit of a lottery when it comes to quality. One time I got a MicroSD card advertised as class 4, but it actually preformed much better. This time I got a SD card that was Class 10, but was a 7
14:38 SparkyProjects If they are 'unbranded', then yes it's possible that performance is variable, i always try to buy a trusted brand
14:39 Sasha_ The thing is, I can buy 3 of these cards that are of similar quality for the price of one brand name card
14:40 SparkyProjects Well you have to balance cost with reliability, speed, etc
14:40 SparkyProjects If it's a bit slow but satisfies everything else, that's ok
14:40 Sasha_ For me it aint slow, I was thinking about donating a few of these to TGG, but not anymore :(
14:41 SparkyProjects But then if you look at the bigger picture, by the time you buy loads of cheap cards, you could buy a large remote drive for the same price
14:41 SparkyProjects ah., ok
14:42 Sasha_ Ah screw it, I'm opening a dispute
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14:48 speedrunnerG55 Hello SparkyProjects Sasha_
14:48 SparkyProjects Hi :)
14:49 Sasha_ hello speedrunnerG55
14:54 Seroster Arrr
14:54 Seroster Sup speedy?
15:01 hackbat anyone want a google music invite?
15:02 dr_jkl asdf.
15:04 Sasha_ G2G and shoot some caps :P
15:04 Sasha_ BBl
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15:18 yNos I wonder how well a fully charged LiPo would take a GSW?
15:25 SparkyProjects Try it and find out, and make a vid
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16:15 BotSteve At last!  My only friend!
16:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon
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17:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Extracting gold from old electronics......Bill Jones on Robotics Lab
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17:55 mashpriborintorg Oh noes the chat is dead
18:04 * speedrunnerG55 revives the chat
18:05 mashpriborintorg yeah some caffein injection
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18:08 mashpriborintorg idk what they're doing at the lab, but they're doing it
18:10 yNos I will be heading over there tonight.
18:10 yNos we may be taking the stream down for a bit.. if all goes well
18:12 SparkyProjects Is this to do with the router ?
18:12 yNos yes
18:12 SparkyProjects OK :)
18:12 yNos to actually give us access to the little subenet and make it so we can poke holes through the firewall w/o makeing the thing instables as all hell
18:13 mashpriborintorg yNos: if you can grab any info about the progress of the next forklift autopsy videos...
18:13 mashpriborintorg I'm damn waiting for it :'(
18:13 yNos Cory is usually gone by time i get there..
18:14 yNos i dont know if Liz, Cory or "The other guy" is working on it.
18:14 SparkyProjects I think the only answer you'll get is 'they'll be done when they're done'
18:14 yNos likely
18:14 mashpriborintorg yeah
18:14 mashpriborintorg so there's an other guy... hidden in a hatch ?
18:14 yNos yeah
18:15 yNos i think he is an intern, but i see someone doing NLE once in a while
18:15 yNos mashpriborintorg: have you ever seen the inside of a forklift?
18:15 yNos they are pretty simple...
18:15 mashpriborintorg Chris was looking for video crew interns, must be him
18:16 mashpriborintorg lots of hydraulic stuff I guess
18:16 yNos usually 2 10hp traction motors, one 1-5 hp hydro pump/motor..
18:16 yNos and 1-4 hydro rams
18:16 yNos steering is powered by wheaties
18:17 yNos only the big ones have power steering.
18:17 yNos the conroller/contacter setup is the most complex part.
18:17 mashpriborintorg the part they are supposed to deal with in the number 2 video :p
18:18 yNos ahh, i thought they spread it out.
18:18 mashpriborintorg saw it in the stream, but in low def without audio
18:19 yNos i wonder if they explain what each part does...
18:19 yNos and get into pwm and 15hz startups
18:20 yNos listeing to the scanner on the stream makes me lol sometimes.
18:20 mashpriborintorg it seems that the lift assembly have been a hell to take apart
18:21 yNos they usually slide all the way off once you remove the stops.. usually a couple bolds on each side.
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18:21 SparkyProjects I would have boltd that lift assembly to the wall as a rising platform :D
18:21 Sasha_ Aaaand I'M back :P
18:21 yNos we had 3 of them over the years on the farm
18:21 yNos that would have been cool.
18:22 yNos as they died/needed repair, we got to take them apart and harvest parts or scrap them.
18:22 yNos the propane ones have a cool fuel control system.
18:22 SparkyProjects Chris could have done his preacher bit (church of tesla)
18:22 SparkyProjects "And i rise up before you ..... "
18:22 SparkyProjects :D
18:23 yNos looks like a carb, acts like a fogger in a bug spray gun.
18:23 SparkyProjects That forklift, chris said it lifted fine, it was just the drive that was shot
18:24 yNos likely just needed to be rebrushed.. or maybe net bushing made.
18:24 yNos other than hoses, those seem to be the parts we replaced the most.
18:24 yNos **new bushing
18:25 SparkyProjects We had an old milk float, it needed new contacts in the control, we had to make our own as we couldn't get replacements
18:26 mashpriborintorg equipment should always be sold with spare parts
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18:26 SparkyProjects This was over 40 years old at the time :P
18:26 yNos we had to replace ponts in a lot of stuff.. if we had room we'd use a pice of tungston welding rod... it lasts forever under most switching loads.
18:27 yNos most of the equipment was 50s vintage.
18:28 yNos well.. the mig electrodes...
18:29 yNos anyone else listening to the stream?
18:29 Sasha_ nope yNos :P
18:30 SparkyProjects Watching, but muted
18:30 mashpriborintorg I'm trying to but I can hardly understand everything, they speak too fast for me
18:30 yNos one of the GRATA bus driver's bus "Just died on the road"
18:31 yNos on a busy road at that..
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18:31 yNos mashpriborintorg: how long have you been speaking english?
18:32 yNos my french is only as good as google translator..
18:32 yNos so.. not quick
18:32 mashpriborintorg since school
18:33 yNos are there any other languages you speak?
18:33 mashpriborintorg When Chris or cprossu are speaking, I understand well
18:33 yNos my german is horible, my polish is worse.
18:34 mashpriborintorg a little spanish, some german and russian words, and caribbean creole
18:34 yNos and a little canadian? ;)
18:34 Sasha_ Russian?
18:34 mashpriborintorg yeah
18:34 Sasha_ Tu
18:35 mashpriborintorg just some written russian words
18:35 Sasha_ *Ti govorish po ruskii?
18:35 yNos i hear canadian french is.. like mexican spainish.. or american english..
18:35 mashpriborintorg "apparat", "raketa"
18:35 Sasha_ Eto vco chto ti znaesh?
18:36 mashpriborintorg no :/
18:37 yNos we have some russian guys at work.. what is the base language? i hear a lot of latin words mixed in, but am not sure if they are loanwords or are whatever the russian language evolved from.
18:37 yNos or it is latinesque
18:37 mashpriborintorg for most of thecnical worts it seems to be borrowed words at least
18:37 Sasha_ А что… бивает
18:41 yNos the one i remember sticking out was the word for library
18:41 yNos for me, phonetically it sounded bike bivliotekha
18:41 Sasha_ Библиотека?
18:44 yNos all i see is the unicode
18:44 Sasha_ brb
18:45 Seroster SparkyProjects, want to see something depressing?
18:45 Seroster http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=4xg969n
18:46 Seroster List of what I need to get a degree in electromechanics
18:46 Seroster Like seriously... FFFFFUUUUUU! I have to sit around waiting for the idiots in my class to learn what I knew years ago
18:48 Seroster We'll get to Ohms law in december! YAY!
18:48 yNos see if you can clep out...
18:48 yNos at least part of it.
18:49 Seroster *Holds up tool* Anyone know what those are called?
18:49 Seroster *Chirp chirp*
18:49 Seroster They are fucking side cutters.... ARGH
18:50 * yNos holds up a pair of strippers
18:50 yNos does anyone know what these are?
18:50 Seroster Are they hot?
18:50 Seroster Like... Big boobs?
18:50 yNos like covered in that smelly stripper juice
18:50 yNos and glitter
18:51 yNos i helped in a basic electronics course with the ham radio group...
18:52 yNos when it came to hat part, somoeone said "Penis girth measuring tool"
18:52 yNos the room cracked up
18:54 Seroster I Lol
18:54 Seroster xD
18:54 Seroster But seriously, I am so sorry for the teacher
18:55 Seroster 20 years
18:55 Seroster Countless pupils
18:55 Seroster Each one dumber than the other
18:55 yNos does he seem to hate this part of his job?
18:56 Seroster Nopåe
18:56 Seroster But if he enjoys it he is the biggest masochist EVER
18:56 Seroster Like... Worse than that dude with the jar.
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19:04 SparkyProjects Seroster, can't you just opt to take the test without doing the course ?
19:06 Seroster Nope
19:09 Seroster And there is the odd possibility that there is something I don't know that I would learn there
19:09 Seroster Since my education is unbalanced and got bigass holes all over I might just take the entire course.
19:11 SparkyProjects Well at least you'll be qualifieed to yourself up in a safe manner :P
19:13 Seroster Pft. =P
19:14 SparkyProjects *blow yourself up :P
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19:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 4 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: SitkaGrown on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon.....Bill Jones on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon.....SitkaGrown on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon.....SitkaGrown on Small demo fusor
19:37 Seroster Today is a... THURSDAY
19:37 Seroster And the man I met in the elevator was drunk beyond drunk
19:38 Seroster What are you doing out drunk a a dodo a thursday evening?
19:38 SparkyProjects In some companies, Thursday is payday
19:41 speed-mobile Hi
19:41 SparkyProjects Hi
19:45 Seroster but you still have to show up friday =P
19:46 SparkyProjects Show up and hide somewhere
19:46 SparkyProjects I think that's what they do
19:47 SparkyProjects or they call in sick
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19:58 injektion save your work and reboot the system  to restore full display functionality
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20:12 speedrunnerG55 Hello
20:13 speedrunnerG55 I got to read chapter 11 and 12
20:13 speedrunnerG55 >_>
20:13 * speedrunnerG55 pokes BatSteve
20:13 speedrunnerG55 How are you BatSteve ?
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20:14 Seroster ARRRGH!
20:14 Seroster Btch!
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20:23 tonsofpcs hey
20:23 tonsofpcs does the geekgroup want a Guide to Operations for a Personal Computer XT?  How about DOS 3.2?
20:23 tonsofpcs http://yfrog.com/kgkbfmnj   http://yfrog.com/klfqdepj
20:24 tonsofpcs (It's cleanup day, we also found some Mr. Rogers postcards)
20:25 tonsofpcs CaptainBoden: want either of these @ tgg?  http://yfrog.com/kgkbfmnj   http://yfrog.com/klfqdepj
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20:29 Toastdude Hi
20:30 speedrunnerG55 Hi Toastdude
20:30 tonsofpcs hi td, mom
20:30 Toastdude Hi speedrunnerG55
20:30 Toastdude Whats up?
20:31 speedrunnerG55 I have to catch up on my readding
20:31 speedrunnerG55 And studdy for my a+
20:31 speedrunnerG55 Exam
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20:45 yNos time to head down
20:45 yNos to tgg
20:45 yNos later everyone
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21:03 tonsofpcs yNos|away: http://yfrog.com/kgkbfmnj   http://yfrog.com/klfqdepj
21:03 tonsofpcs (or anyone else)
21:04 Seroster ARRRRGH
21:05 Seroster Shower time!
21:05 speedrunnerG55 Bye Seroster
21:05 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk7JcPBFdWw&amp;NR=1 < I have no idea what that is but still watch it since I only copypaste awesome stuff.
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21:31 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 5 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: SitkaGrown on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon.....jaaz95 on Small demo fusor.....SitkaGrown on Small demo fusor.....jaaz95 on Small demo fusor.....Radioactive on Trash Bag Hot Air Balloon
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22:02 angy dr_jkl: your suggestion worked, I slept for 9h straight!
22:02 masterofmonks What suggestion was that?
22:19 Cprossu .tfw 85021
22:19 BotSteve 113°F?! ITS FUCKING...ARE YOU OKAY? IN Phoenix, AZ!  'HOLY FUCK'
22:19 Cprossu warm out.
22:19 angy stay in :)
22:19 Cprossu funny thing is it's overcast o_o
22:37 SparkyProjects http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14647644
22:45 masterofmonks Ok, challenge.
22:46 masterofmonks There are enough details to glean a location from this video, lets see if anyone can.
22:46 masterofmonks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyoAP10uKTk&amp;feature=channel_video_title
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23:07 dr_jkl .
23:07 masterofmonks Mornign dr_jkl
23:07 dr_jkl heya.
23:21 AgCNO6 Hi masterofmonks
23:37 Vladdeh masterofmonks: Garrettsville, OH 44231
23:37 Vladdeh what do i win?
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23:47 masterofmonks Vladdeh: That was the conclusion I came to also.
23:47 masterofmonks Let em guess, Miller Family Restraunt?
23:50 Vladdeh http://www.yelp.com/biz/thats-the-spirit-beverage-store-garrettsville :)
23:50 masterofmonks Ah.
23:50 Vladdeh that place, can see it when they're approaching the mcdonald's
23:51 Vladdeh i think i found the road they're in at the start too, but there's no google street view to verify
23:51 Vladdeh playing internet detetives is fun
23:51 Vladdeh detectives
23:51 AgCNO6 Hi Vladdeh ! I've never seen you talk before
23:51 masterofmonks I saw the Miller's Family Restaurant
23:52 Vladdeh hi AgCNO6 :)
23:52 Vladdeh i don't talk much
23:52 masterofmonks Which means that if we went on two separate lines of evidence we have pretty much triangulated the location.
23:52 Vladdeh i'm UK based too
23:52 Toastdude Lucky...
23:52 masterofmonks Toastdude: lucky?
23:53 Toastdude That he's in the UK
23:53 masterofmonks There are downsides to everywhere.
23:53 masterofmonks "The grass is greener" and all that.
23:55 Toastdude True
23:55 masterofmonks Here is the question.
23:55 masterofmonks What is it you like about the U.K.?
23:56 Toastdude It's out of the country, and I've never been out of the country
23:56 Toastdude Plus they have Doctor Who
23:57 masterofmonks We have Dr. Who, or at least one episode was filmed here.
23:57 masterofmonks On the other hand we have Firefly.
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23:57 SparkyProjects I live about an hor from the Dr Who studios
23:58 tlockley sweet
23:58 Toastdude True, we do have Firefly
23:58 tlockley what a fantastic show
23:59 Toastdude Only one season though...
23:59 masterofmonks Honestly would it have been as good if it were 40 seasons?
23:59 Toastdude Yeah...
23:59 masterofmonks Look at Dr. Who, some of the series were good, some were.. less.

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