Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-09-07

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Time Nick Message
00:00 Toastdude Aw, she left
00:00 Katemonster kokona: Peter Falk is the actor who played the grandfather in Princess Bride.  the guy telling the story to the little kid.
00:00 kokona_ well then, his is no thret to me
00:00 kokona_ lol
00:00 * Katemonster rolls eyes
00:00 kokona_ i know
00:00 Katemonster fun fact: peter falk had a glass eye.
00:01 kokona_ his eye really rolled then
00:01 SparkyProjects And he used to be Columbo
00:01 tonsofpcs I think she's orking on CNC gear or something, was at what appears to be a PC or drafting  table at the end, then wandered off, putting safetty glasses down
00:01 tonsofpcs fun fact: facts are fun.
00:01 Toastdude He did Katemonster?
00:01 Katemonster yep.
00:02 Katemonster right eye surgically removed at age 3.
00:02 kokona_ yeah and jim cary us to be sain
00:03 Katemonster used to be what?
00:03 Katemonster oh
00:03 kokona_ he is a bad nut now
00:03 Katemonster sane.
00:03 kokona_ koo koo
00:03 Katemonster well, he's not a Scientologist, so he's got that going for him.
00:04 kokona_ lol
00:05 kokona_ no but he confessed his staker love for nataly portman on youtube like a pedo
00:05 * Katemonster switches the radio to bassdrive
00:05 Katemonster last time i checked Natalie Portman is an adult.
00:06 Katemonster although i'm sure there are a lot of pedophiles who are watching The Professional on repeat.
00:06 kokona_ yes but he had looks of hunger on his face that couldn't be explaind
00:08 producerbill joined #thegeekgroup
00:08 kokona_ yeah bill
00:08 tonsofpcs evenin' bill
00:08 Katemonster producerwilliam
00:08 Toastdude Hi Bill
00:09 * Katemonster switches the radio to trans.fm
00:09 * Katemonster is annoyed with an inability to concentrate today
00:10 * tonsofpcs switches the radio to TV
00:10 * Toastdude switches toaster on
00:10 tonsofpcs my toaster is already on
00:10 tonsofpcs the video toasters could use work though
00:11 Katemonster .g screamer radio
00:11 BotSteve Katemonster: http://www.screamer-radio.com/
00:11 Katemonster .g radio paradise
00:11 BotSteve Katemonster: http://www.radioparadise.com/
00:11 Katemonster ^ this is what i normally listen to
00:11 kokona_ if you cant concentrate stop doing speed lol
00:11 Katemonster i'm not doing speed.  i'm not into men.
00:11 kokona_ i got racing thoughts
00:11 Katemonster (except angy.)
00:11 tonsofpcs lol Katemonster
00:11 Toastdude Lol
00:12 kokona_ are u a member of LMHC
00:12 Katemonster uuuh no?
00:12 Katemonster the Laboratory Manual Harmonisation Committee?
00:13 kokona_ no the lesbian man hatter coalition
00:13 kokona_ lol
00:13 kokona_ u said not into men
00:13 Toastdude That doesn't mean she's into women
00:13 kokona_ lol
00:14 kokona_ dont have to be
00:14 kokona_ u just goto not be into me they are a very laks org.
00:14 kokona_ men
00:14 Katemonster ...
00:14 kokona_ lol
00:15 Katemonster considering the vast majority of my friends are male, i don't think i qualify as a man-hater.
00:15 kokona_ sorry guys im just really tierd i get wierder the less sleep i have
00:16 kokona_ lol
00:16 Katemonster and toast dude, i think it's already been established that i'm gay.
00:16 Katemonster *Toastdude
00:17 eadthem joined #thegeekgroup
00:17 Toastdude Lol
00:18 kokona_ i want to get batman some suspenders that have lepricons making a human chain to hold his pants up
00:19 Sgt_Lemming lol
00:19 Katemonster LEMMING
00:19 Katemonster my favorite limey
00:19 kokona_ lol im so f**king funny
00:19 Sgt_Lemming ,,,
00:19 Katemonster :D
00:19 Sgt_Lemming cept I'm not a limey...
00:20 Ponko joined #thegeekgroup
00:20 Katemonster you aren't?
00:20 Sgt_Lemming no, australia, not england
00:20 Katemonster oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
00:20 Katemonster okay
00:20 Katemonster my bad.
00:20 Ponko lol
00:20 angy joined #thegeekgroup
00:20 Sgt_Lemming sall good
00:21 Katemonster ponko suddenly appears because his client highlights "limey"
00:21 tonsofpcs kiwi, not lime.  Wrong green fruit.
00:21 Katemonster lol
00:21 Ponko that it doees
00:21 Sgt_Lemming I am actually from NZ originally tonsofpcs ::-P
00:21 kokona_ that meens 2 things
00:21 Sgt_Lemming so that's accurate :-D
00:21 Katemonster kiwi..... i don't think the fruit kiwi comes from that part of the world.  does it?  the bird does though.
00:21 Katemonster .wiki kiwi (fruit)
00:21 BotSteve "The kiwifruit, often shortened to kiwi in many parts of the world, is the edible berry of a cultivar group of the woody vine Actinidia deliciosa and hybrids between this and other species in the genus Actinidia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(fruit)
00:22 Sgt_Lemming it grows REALLY well in NZ though
00:22 tonsofpcs The fruit has a soft texture and a sweet but unique flavour, and today is a commercial crop in several countries, mainly in Italy, New Zealand, Brazil and Chile.
00:22 Sgt_Lemming so NZ grows a lot of them
00:22 Katemonster ah
00:22 tonsofpcs native to southern china, moved to NZ in early 20th century
00:22 Katemonster ohey dinner time.  bbl
00:22 kokona_ no it was a miricle misbetween strawbaris peaches and watermelons
00:23 kokona_ mistak
00:23 kokona_ e
00:24 tonsofpcs ?
00:25 kokona_ but anywho that topigraphical map is coming along great
00:25 kokona_ or that is a horibly plained table
00:25 kokona_ lol
00:27 lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
00:28 kokona_ X-men the origins of wolverine
00:28 lwq1996 hello
00:28 kokona_ hi
00:28 kokona_ how art thow
00:28 lwq1996 um art tho good?
00:28 tonsofpcs thou.
00:29 kokona_ yes that
00:29 lwq1996 SHIT MY WEED BRONIES
00:29 lwq1996 XD
00:30 lwq1996 im kidding
00:31 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
00:31 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 3.17 hours ago at 2011-09-06 21:21:29 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:31:38 UTC
00:33 lwq1996 did i kill the chat
00:33 angy yes
00:33 angy )
00:33 angy :)
00:33 kokona_ nnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooo the chat its gone
00:34 angy that's odd, I'm starting to feel like going AMD for my next workstation
00:35 kokona_ you see a lot of old guys and you see a lot of fat guys
00:35 kokona_ but you dont see a lot of old fatguys
00:35 Hackbat <3
00:35 kokona_ lol
00:35 * Hackbat made chicken Ramen better
00:35 kokona_ random
00:36 * Hackbat added Croutons and Pulle dpork
00:36 kokona_ i put ranch in mine
00:36 kokona_ and ground beef
00:37 kokona_ and vegies
00:37 kokona_ I think theres a nakid man in the barn
00:40 kokona_ there was a car on the live feed that had left thier blinker on
00:41 tonsofpcs oo, a barn
00:41 tonsofpcs I should barn a barn for a barn for a hackspace.
00:41 kokona_ lol
00:41 kokona_ lol i hava hackspace
00:42 kokona_ 37,000 sf of hackspace
00:42 Sgt_Lemming which hackerspace?
00:43 kokona_ its my job i own the shop
00:43 Sgt_Lemming what's it called, what's the website etc?
00:44 kokona_ no web sight but the name of it is S.O.D.A.T. inds.
00:44 kokona_ i dont publisize
00:46 angy ajprog_laptop: you there?
00:46 kokona_ special offencive defencive alturnative technoligies
00:47 kokona_ = S.O.D.A.T.
00:47 tggmc angy I am in mc currently
00:48 angy :)
00:48 angy I'm going to finish the login backend tomorrow
00:48 angy and I'll try to wordpress-enable it, but I think I'll need you on that point
00:49 Toastdude lwq1996: 'O brother, how art thou?
00:49 Toastdude :P
00:49 lwq1996 wtf
00:50 Toastdude Lol
00:50 Toastdude Brb
00:50 NeWtoz '
00:50 NeWtoz syntax error
00:51 NeWtoz and I liked that movie
00:51 * NeWtoz goes and does the laundry
00:51 kokona_ what movie was that
00:51 kokona_ ?
00:51 NeWtoz <Toastdude> lwq1996: 'O brother, how art thou?
00:51 NeWtoz '
00:52 kokona_ o yeah it was good
00:52 lwq1996 whats the difference between linux and unix
00:54 eadthem ones free  ones propritary
00:54 angy nope
00:54 lwq1996 so basicly the same format
00:55 angy freebsd is a unix system, and it's free & open
00:55 eadthem the orignal unix was and still is not free  and highly commercialised
00:55 eadthem paticuarly by sco
00:55 eadthem afaik
00:55 Toastdude NeWtoz: I wasn't talking in code
00:56 Toastdude :P
00:56 Toastdude .seen BatSteve
00:56 eadthem i would think that freebsd and bds varants are  more unix like but still not directly based on the orignal unix kernal  afaik
00:56 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw batsteve 94.79 hours ago at 2011-09-03 02:08:39 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:56:15 UTC
00:56 Toastdude .seen Bat-Mobile
00:56 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw bat-mobile 18.20 hours ago at 2011-09-06 06:44:35 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:56:27 UTC
00:56 angy which is unix for you?
00:57 angy the first SCO Xenix is base on UnixTSS, which come after BSD*
00:57 angy and uses quite the same kernel
00:58 Toastdude Last time Red was on was 1011.56 hours ago :(
00:59 angy Unix (which is a trademark) consist of system complying with the Unix Version 7
00:59 angy others are unix-like
01:01 angy I don't think there is today a single pure unix OS as in it follow Unix Version 7
01:01 angy which date back to like 1980
01:02 angy in a nutshell, stick with BSD-based systems :)
01:03 eadthem SuSe ftw
01:03 eadthem :p
01:04 angy not BSD based, but it does the job
01:07 kokona_ does anyone els watch the big bang thiery
01:07 lwq1996 no my mom wount let me watch it....because she thinks the guys are quires
01:08 lwq1996 and my mom is a homo-phobe
01:08 lwq1996 even tho my cousin is gay
01:08 kokona_ lol
01:08 kokona_ no theyr just geeks
01:08 lwq1996 ik
01:08 lwq1996 sheldon makes me laugh sometimes
01:09 Toastdude I want to watch the big bang theory...
01:09 lwq1996 toast why dont you
01:09 kokona_ funny geeks but still geeks makes me wonder if cris was like that when e was yonger
01:09 * Katemonster is back
01:10 angy wb Kate
01:10 Katemonster ANGY I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES.
01:10 lwq1996 KATE......-kicks- BITCH YOU STOLE MY WEED BROWNIES
01:10 Katemonster erm.  hi
01:11 Katemonster liquid, i will literally drive out there, tie you up and kidnap you, bring you back here and throw you off the monroe street bridge into the fucking waterfall if ever even think about kicking me again.
01:11 NeWtoz I can't find my knife... I'm thinking about using a machete instead...
01:11 Katemonster DOIT
01:11 eadthem atleast nbody ever feels unloved in this channal
01:11 lwq1996 o______o
01:12 Toastdude Lol Kate
01:12 Toastdude Lee: Because I can't watch it anywhere
01:12 kokona_ yes
01:12 Katemonster eadthem: least of all angy.
01:12 lwq1996 well actually your being nice there you can be meaner
01:14 eadthem so anyone else think winter will start a month early this year
01:14 kokona_ yes
01:14 Toastdude I kinda do, the way the temperatures are
01:14 eadthem so its not just me
01:14 angy I hope so, I won't be in Canada anymore!
01:14 lwq1996 not me
01:14 kokona_ it was a realy hot summer
01:15 kokona_ this winter is guna be sperm killin cold
01:15 Katemonster angy where are you going to be?
01:15 kokona_ nm
01:15 angy Maybe France, maybe Germany, maybe US
01:15 angy don't know yet
01:16 eadthem well incording to this michican will alredy hit the 40's tonight
01:16 NeWtoz time to fix an xbox rrod
01:16 lwq1996 toast.....-hands toast bag or brownies- shhhh what ever you do dont let the cops catch you with these
01:16 eadthem wer gonna hit 45-50 tonight in KC
01:17 lwq1996 of*
01:17 kokona_ wow its still in the 60s at the coldest here
01:17 Katemonster view of spokane falls from the monroe street bridge: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Monroe_Street_Dam_on_Spokane_River.jpg
01:17 * Toastdude calls cops and has a party with brownies
01:17 kokona_ nm was reaching highs of 115 this summer
01:17 lwq1996 TOAST.....THATS THE OPOSITE OF WHAT I WANTED YOU TO DO
01:17 eadthem same for KC
01:18 Toastdude It's okay, the cops like them :P
01:18 kokona_ ur missing the F in kc
01:18 lwq1996 lol
01:19 Katemonster kentucky fried chicken != good
01:19 Toastdude What does the != mean?
01:19 lwq1996 omg can i have a piece if i give you A BOWNIE -winks-
01:20 kokona_ i like KFC and chester and popeyes
01:20 angy chicken, that is a good idea, I'll try that for tomorrow
01:20 kokona_ chester's
01:21 Katemonster toastdude, != means "does not equal"
01:21 Toastdude Ah, okay
01:21 Katemonster and i friggin hate KFC
01:21 Toastdude McDonald's != Good
01:22 angy fast food != good
01:22 Katemonster angy is correct.
01:22 Toastdude Homemade pancakes == good
01:22 kokona_ i hava a chef that cooks for me
01:22 angy Yey!
01:22 Toastdude Processed pancakes =/= good
01:23 kokona_ i dont have to cook or go out to eat
01:24 Toastdude joined #thegeekgroup
01:25 angy double Toast!
01:25 Toastdude Lol
01:26 Katemonster cinnamon toast crunch?
01:26 kokona_ lan
01:27 Ponko left #thegeekgroup
01:27 kokona_ ma but i stil eat cerial to so
01:27 kokona_ lame
01:27 kokona_ not ma
01:28 speedrunnerG55 Hi
01:28 kokona_ hi
01:28 kokona_ ho
01:28 kokona_ hi
01:28 speedrunnerG55 I
01:28 kokona_ ho
01:28 Toastdude kokona: You know you can type  /nick kokona  to make your nick not have the _
01:28 speedrunnerG55 Im not a ho
01:28 Toastdude Hi speedrunnerG55!
01:28 speedrunnerG55 :(
01:28 angy hi spdrunnrG55
01:29 angy you see, no ``e''!
01:29 kokona_ no the 7 dworffs
01:29 tggmc angy ok sounds good
01:29 angy I'll email you tggmc
01:29 tggmc you ever setup a xserv/xraid?
01:29 kokona_ u know snow white
01:29 angy yep
01:29 Toastdude Hi tggmc
01:30 tggmc I setup the arrays, but how do I share them?
01:30 lwq1996 speed...have my babies
01:30 tggmc hi Toastdude
01:30 angy you got XSan?
01:30 tggmc possibly
01:30 kokona ...
01:30 kokona yeah it worked
01:30 tggmc let me check, would it be in the applications?
01:31 angy it will be if it's installed
01:31 kokona i love my cat
01:31 lwq1996 did you name you cat nyan
01:31 angy is it a fiber channel XRaid?
01:31 kokona no qiqi
01:32 lwq1996 um how do u say that
01:32 kokona key_key
01:32 tggmc angy fibre to the xserv
01:32 lwq1996 OH
01:32 tggmc nope on xsan
01:32 angy ok, so you may have xsan
01:32 angy macos X server?
01:32 kokona its the same as chi
01:32 speedrunnerG55 Angy :) ... lwq1996 o_o
01:33 kokona its chines
01:33 tggmc yes mac 10.5
01:33 lwq1996 yes speed....i want you to have my babies ;)
01:33 Katemonster ..............
01:33 angy ok, so let me find where the option is
01:33 kokona ?.......? weird
01:33 angy you want to share using SMB I bet?
01:34 speedrunnerG55 lwq1996: How is that posible?
01:34 tggmc is should be available to both macs and pcs
01:35 angy ok
01:35 lwq1996 idk..........O_______O <-pokerface
01:35 angy you have to open the server Admin
01:35 angy then go to File Sharing
01:35 speedrunnerG55 lwq1996: ?
01:35 Toastdude Lee"i want you to have my babies" angy"ok, so let me find where the option is" LOL
01:35 speedrunnerG55 lwq1996: What gender am i?
01:35 angy and create a share point on the xraid volumes
01:35 * lwq1996 smacks toast
01:36 lwq1996 boy
01:36 tgg_video joined #thegeekgroup
01:36 speedrunnerG55 I am a boy
01:36 lwq1996 ik
01:36 lwq1996 i am too
01:36 speedrunnerG55 How am i to have kids?!
01:36 lwq1996 we can get around those obsticals
01:36 Toastdude Sex change?
01:36 speedrunnerG55 No
01:36 Toastdude Lol
01:36 lwq1996 yes speed you would look good in a dress ;P
01:36 speedrunnerG55 W/e
01:37 speedrunnerG55 ....
01:37 tgg_video I see the main volumes but I don't see the xraid ones
01:37 * speedrunnerG55 putes lwq1996 in a dress
01:37 speedrunnerG55 Lol jk
01:37 tgg_video angy: let me see if I can figure out how to mount them
01:37 angy you can go to RAID utilities
01:37 angy or disk utilities
01:38 lwq1996 im fat speed i would look ugly but you....would look good
01:38 angy you should see it in Disk Utility
01:39 angy and, of course, Xraid Admin
01:39 lwq1996 speed am i creeping you out
01:40 angy did you take a disk off and/or re-install one of them?
01:40 speedrunnerG55 A bit.
01:40 SparkyProjects left #thegeekgroup
01:40 speedrunnerG55 Sparky!
01:40 speedrunnerG55 :(
01:40 * lwq1996 raps leg around speed....
01:40 speedrunnerG55 :O
01:41 lwq1996 unconfortable ;)
01:41 * speedrunnerG55 wiggles around
01:41 speedrunnerG55 Ewwwwww
01:41 lwq1996 speed after im done with you....you will never see me in that way again
01:42 speedrunnerG55 Can you at least talk in tggnsfw or. Something?
01:42 tgg_video I setup the array in raid admin, but I don't see where to mount it
01:42 tgg_video and I don't see it in disk util
01:42 angy in disk utility
01:42 lwq1996 why....im not saying anything bad...and for the sake of god i hope you know im kidding
01:43 angy open a console then search if fsck is running
01:43 lwq1996 .coin
01:43 BotSteve Tails!
01:43 speedrunnerG55 Ok
01:43 angy ps auwx | grep fsck
01:43 angy :)
01:43 lwq1996 yay chicken tonight
01:43 Toastdude ...
01:43 lwq1996 what....its better than soup
01:44 tgg_video just a min, I am mounting it a min
01:44 Bat-Mobile joined #thegeekgroup
01:44 Bat-Mobile yo
01:44 masterofmonks Ok, the google doodle for Freddy Mercury is awesome.
01:44 Toastdude Bat-Mobile!
01:44 lwq1996 BATS
01:44 * masterofmonks carjacks Bat-Mobile.
01:45 lwq1996 MOM
01:45 lwq1996 NO NEVER
01:45 lwq1996 speeds the only one that can do that
01:45 * Bat-Mobile is not equipped with lojack and is carjacked with ease
01:45 kokona im fixing to order pizza who wants some
01:45 * Toastdude carjacks masterofmonks
01:45 lwq1996 i wants some
01:46 lwq1996 toast you touch me i will go boom
01:46 * masterofmonks shoots Toastdude between the eyes with his cocealed pistol.
01:46 * Toastdude touches Lee
01:46 * lwq1996 GOES BOOM
01:46 * Toastdude is made of self-healing toast
01:46 kokona kokona gives lwq1996 a slice of pizza
01:46 lwq1996 YAY
01:46 masterofmonks You can heal... but can you heal in pieces?
01:46 Toastdude kokona: Type /me
01:46 lwq1996 and to do the thing
01:47 Toastdude Yep
01:47 lwq1996 you do a /me
01:47 Toastdude Like Captain Jack
01:47 masterofmonks Harkness?
01:47 * kokona
01:47 Toastdude Yep
01:47 kokona whats that for
01:47 kokona ?
01:47 Toastdude He was blown up, but he still healed
01:47 Toastdude Type  /me  then what ever you want
01:47 Toastdude kokona
01:48 angy tgg_video: btw, did you create any raid arrays?
01:48 angy if so, you have to reboot the xserv so they'll be visible
01:48 angy lost him...
01:50 tggmc I am just rebooting now
01:50 tonsofpcs hmmm.... who was tgg_video?
01:50 angy do you have any NFS support on windows?
01:50 tonsofpcs hi tggmc
01:50 eadthem i dont
01:50 eadthem be nice sometimes
01:50 tggmc rack mounting them will have to wait till tomorrow when I have more people to hold it up
01:51 angy *and* most importantly, is there any windows XP 64 in the accessing windows box?
01:51 eadthem but samba on nix is more stable with windows xp than  xp to xp
01:51 * tonsofpcs has rackmounted a VO9600 by himself....
01:51 * lwq1996 is set out to make a operating system completely idiot proof that toast cant even screw it up
01:51 * lwq1996 and stable and easy to use
01:51 tggmc tonsofpcs this is jeff, I was tgg-video also
01:52 tonsofpcs tggmc: I have tricks to video-style rackmounts.... are the racks in mc tapped or do you need screw cages?
01:52 tonsofpcs hi jeff :)
01:52 tonsofpcs (I'm guessing this is going to the one in the corner near NLE?)
01:52 tggmc screw cages?
01:52 tggmc yes
01:53 tonsofpcs "cage nuts" if you will
01:53 Bat-Mobile lwq1996 is going to make a better, idiot-proof OS
01:53 * Bat-Mobile is going to make a better idiot
01:53 tonsofpcs (really, clip-nuts, i guess)
01:53 tgg_video joined #thegeekgroup
01:54 lwq1996 lol
01:54 lwq1996 yup
01:54 lwq1996 toast is my test dumby
01:54 Katemonster bat-mobile
01:54 Katemonster how thou
01:54 tonsofpcs do the screws go right into the rack or do you need to put one of these things on before the screw?  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012XRVYC/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=B005EH4J4W&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=1N1WED872SFGA35HRSNR
01:54 speedrunnerG55 Hi Bat-Mobile
01:54 speedrunnerG55 !!!
01:55 Bat-Mobile hey Katemonster
01:55 Bat-Mobile hey speedrunnerG55
01:55 Bat-Mobile I'm hungry
01:55 Bat-Mobile BotSteve: should I have mac and cheese?
01:55 BotSteve Yep!
01:55 Bat-Mobile perfect
01:55 tonsofpcs obviously.
01:55 tonsofpcs did you really need botsteve for that one?
01:55 Toastdude Don't eat me Bats
01:55 wannabe1987 joined #thegeekgroup
01:55 tonsofpcs note: macncheese != toastduded macncheese
01:56 * wannabe1987 has had bad day; no hugs
01:56 * Katemonster is confused
01:56 tonsofpcs oh noes!
01:56 tgg_video they go right into the rack
01:56 speedrunnerG55 Oh my net split
01:56 masterofmonks .wa bhorium
01:56 BotSteve bohrium  (chemical element);symbol->Bh, atomic number->107, atomic weight->(272.138032) (observed isotope Bh-272), (274.142440) (calculated longest-lived isotope Bh-274), half-life->90 minutes;valence->7;term symbol->^6S_(5\/2), (electronic ground state properties);crust abundance->0%, human abundance->0%;half-life->90 min, specific radioactivity->280000 TBq\/g, decay mode->alpha emission, unstable isotopes->Bh-273  (90 min) -> ...;CAS number->5403
01:56 Toastdude wannabe1987: :(
01:57 Katemonster .element wannabe1987
01:57 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Dysprosium !
01:57 speedrunnerG55 wannabe?
01:57 tonsofpcs tgg_video: awesome.  If you can hold it roughly in place with one hand, just enough so the bottom screw hole on one side lines up, you can put that screw in partway, then put the bottom screw on the other side in most of the way (not quite tight, give it a touch of wiggle room), then put the first one in most of the way, now you have two free hands to put the last two screws in.
01:57 angy tgg_video: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/XserveRAID_AdminDiskUtility.PDF http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/File_Services_Admin_v10.5.pdf
01:57 tgg_video on to formating, what is the best format, I want them available to pcs also
01:57 angy you may want to punch yourself when you'll see how you need to share drives with windows workstation
01:57 angy HFS+
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01:58 angy if it's for sharing, you don't care the FS
01:58 tonsofpcs doesn't xserve have apple file sharing built in?
01:58 wannabe1987 Katemonster no thanks.  idk what to do with it
01:58 angy if you want to read them from a PC, don't use the XServ
01:58 Katemonster sell it.  duh
01:58 lwq1996 .element
01:58 BotSteve Here you go, lwq1996, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Scandium !
01:58 tonsofpcs well, you definitely don't want FAT.
01:58 angy they have AFP, NFS, SMB & FTP
01:58 Katemonster sell it to liquid.  he'll buy anything.
01:58 lwq1996 toast your code is broken it only gives out those things
01:58 tonsofpcs angy: perfect.  HFS+ :)
01:59 speedrunnerG55 WB Cprossu
01:59 lwq1996 no i woulnt....i woulnt buy you
01:59 tonsofpcs .element
01:59 BotSteve Here you go, tonsofpcs, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Actinium !
01:59 angy don't go case sensitive
01:59 Toastdude No it doesn't
01:59 tonsofpcs aww, I wanted a honda...
01:59 Katemonster i would be worried if botsteve gave me 20kg of helium.
01:59 Toastdude .element tonsofpcs
01:59 BotSteve Here you go, tonsofpcs, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Scandium !
01:59 tonsofpcs .element Toastdude
01:59 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Tellurium !
02:00 Toastdude .element
02:00 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Astatine !
02:00 tonsofpcs ok, enough.
02:00 Toastdude Hm...
02:00 tonsofpcs tgg_video: are you fibre channeling it up? or just fast- or gig-e?
02:00 Bat-Mobile hey Toastdude and lwq1996 - join #tgg-bots if you want to do more botspam
02:00 angy you should go ZFS, but then, no use for raid
02:00 Toastdude He gave me Praseodymium...
02:00 Bat-Mobile it's a special channel just for that
02:00 tonsofpcs angy: why no use for raid w/ zfs?
02:01 wannabe1987 why do people have to be so mean?
02:01 angy zfs do the raid in the FS level
02:01 Katemonster because their own lives suck and they take it out on other people.
02:01 angy if you use hardware raid with ZFS, you can screw the whole FS
02:01 Katemonster or schadenfreude.  either way
02:01 wannabe1987 but Katemonster thats not a reason for them to tell me i'm not fit for working....
02:01 tonsofpcs angy: erm... how does it RAID on a FS level?
02:01 Bat-Mobile Because they have poor interpersonal skills and no way to relate?
02:02 angy you really want me to explain how it does?
02:02 tonsofpcs yes.
02:02 astro73|derrial BotSteve: Tell producerbill that I won't be in tomorrow. Stuff came up.
02:02 BotSteve astro73|derrial: I'll pass that on when producerbill is around.
02:02 wannabe1987 Bat-Mobile probably...he's had "longevity" in jobs that i can't seem to find....
02:02 wannabe1987 hi astro73|derrial
02:02 tonsofpcs angy: note: you're in #thegeekgroup not #wedontcareaboutweirdtechnicalthings
02:02 wannabe1987 nice seeing you tonight
02:02 astro73|derrial ohai
02:02 angy I'm not in #ireadassemblycodeandhackfs
02:02 tgg_video fibre channel
02:02 Bat-Mobile ohai wannabe1987
02:02 tonsofpcs angy: does fibre cahnnel present any issues with FS sharing to PCs from xserv?
02:03 tgg_video I am doing two Raid 5 drives
02:03 angy it uses copy on write and move atomically the pointer
02:03 angy not at all
02:03 Katemonster alright, i'm gonna try to get stuff done, i'll be back later.
02:03 * tonsofpcs has only broken^H^H^H^H^Hused Xservs, not admined
02:03 angy won't work, you need 3 for Raid5
02:03 angy it's lovely in all mac env
02:03 angy a huge pain when there are PC
02:03 tgg_video sorry two set of raid 5 volumes
02:03 tonsofpcs angy: I think he means 2 RAID5 sets... (not 100%)
02:04 tgg_video tonsofpcs: correct
02:04 tgg_video 7 hd used
02:04 angy if you use hard raid, ifs is not able to go atomic on the FS pointer, and you can't be sure it will align perfectly the sectors
02:04 angy if it write with desalign, you screw the ZFS pointers arch
02:04 angy the beauty of raid-z is that if tomorrow my box breaks, I just have to move the disks into any other box, do a zfs import
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02:05 angy and all the raid-z volumes will be up and running
02:05 kokona i just bass tested my home audio with a 20- 50 hrz frequencie and 100db and i have sucsesfuly changed the air pressur in my house
02:05 angy and I really advise against raid pools bigger than 10TB
02:06 angy even using zfs
02:06 tgg_video .9 and 1.4 T
02:06 angy new drives?
02:06 angy non sequentials?
02:06 tlockley tgg_video: I assume you were able to get the array working
02:07 astro73|derrial angy: why? (and is the raw or affective space?)
02:07 angy you will have deadly slow performances otherwise
02:07 tgg_video I am just finishing it up (I hope)
02:07 angy in you use your pools as filer, which is what I think :)
02:07 tlockley great
02:07 kokona will it be nicer quality
02:08 kokona tgg_video
02:09 kokona better Q
02:09 kokona ?
02:09 tlockley kokona: the RIAD is just a storage bin for all the video
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02:09 kokona o
02:09 tlockley the idea atleast as i know is to use it as the capture point for all the cameras
02:09 kokona so it dont effect the pic quality
02:09 tonsofpcs tlockley: I predict fillage in a week.
02:09 tlockley then perform the editing from the raid
02:10 angy you don't want to edit *from* the xserv? right?
02:10 angy that won't work
02:10 tlockley tonsofpcs: i agree but i dont think it was ever intended as a backup sys
02:10 tonsofpcs angy: why not? that's what I've used xserrvs for.
02:10 tonsofpcs that's what they were marketed for...
02:10 tlockley you can edit right from the XS and RAID
02:10 angy you fit in 720p?
02:10 angy won't have the bandwith
02:10 tonsofpcs angy: they're working highly compressed.
02:11 tgg_video I have them mounted and shared let see if I can find them over the network
02:11 tonsofpcs probably lower bitrate than DV...
02:11 angy what is the raw bandwidth when they edit?
02:11 tonsofpcs no clue, I don't have their workflow.
02:11 angy You use listless 1G or 1G, that is very small network
02:11 tonsofpcs I know cory likes FCP7
02:12 angy a PC with 1G card is on a 1x pci-express
02:12 angy and that is slow as hell
02:12 tlockley the xserve i sent has a PCI-X based 2GB/s x2 card
02:12 tonsofpcs 2GB/s ?
02:12 angy that not the point, the problem is the other side
02:13 angy you standard PC has a 1G network card, that really works at 250MB/s
02:13 tlockley you can edit right out of the raid if you use a fibrechannel switch and xsan
02:13 tlockley for the most performance
02:13 angy I don't think the computers they edit with use fiberchannel
02:13 tlockley but assuming you use the raid as central storage and pull to local the needed files then there are no issues
02:13 tonsofpcs 250 MBps > 1 Gbps....
02:13 tgg_video tlockley: I didn't see xsan on this computer
02:14 angy 1G = 4*250
02:14 tlockley Xsan might not be included with 10.5 server
02:14 tlockley i know that it was with 10.6 and 10.7
02:14 angy XSan is another software
02:14 tonsofpcs http://www.apple.com/xsan/
02:14 tlockley angy: xsan was separate before 10.6 and 7
02:14 angy it is from 10.6
02:15 angy hadn't upgrade to 10.7 yet
02:15 tlockley dont
02:15 tlockley ever
02:15 kokona tgg_video, would a movie maker program on an alieon ware computer be enugh to edit and store video?
02:15 tgg_video ok, I will look into that tomorrow
02:15 tlockley 10.7 for the non server is jut an update to break all the drivers
02:15 tonsofpcs kokona: that depends on your needs.
02:15 angy you will cry when you'll see how it is to share with windows
02:15 tgg_video kokona: I am computer setup, not video
02:16 tlockley for what
02:16 tgg_video angy that is what I am trying to do now
02:16 angy I won't upgrade, moved to EMC for the storage
02:16 angy got my second link? there is like 10,000 pages on how to do it
02:16 tgg_video what do I have to do to set it up?
02:16 kokona ok well negate my coment then  i mis under stud the convo then
02:16 tgg_video ok I will open that up
02:16 angy create a share point
02:16 angy that is easy
02:16 tgg_video 1 - done
02:16 tlockley tgg_video: when you setup the shares you need to go the the advanced settings for the share point and chose SMB
02:16 angy apply ACL, that is so complex
02:16 angy and wrong
02:17 angy page 40
02:17 tlockley if you want i can give you a gotoassist number and i can show you
02:17 tgg_video tlockley: all the protocal are enabled
02:17 tlockley but you may need to edit the shares individually
02:17 angy when you share, it goes AFP and SMB and FTP
02:17 tgg_video how about teamviewer?
02:17 tlockley sure
02:17 angy that works as well :)
02:18 wannabe1987 http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/303790_10150369229155519_658020518_10381716_1367311434_n.jpg  BA looks bad ass
02:18 tlockley i just figure it mught be easier if i show you
02:18 tgg_video tlockley: it would be
02:18 tgg_video brb
02:18 tlockley k
02:19 angy you may want to go NFS and let down SMB for performances though
02:19 tlockley well if the primary edit computer is OS X then Afp will be the fastest in that case
02:19 angy yep
02:20 tlockley and IIRC NFS on windows is hell
02:20 angy it's way faster on a xserv than SMB
02:20 tlockley i dont doubt you
02:20 tlockley but for simplicitys sake SMB might be what happens
02:20 angy you'll have a very strange comportment with SMB and huge files
02:21 tlockley eh
02:21 angy that is one of the reason we moved out of MacOS server
02:21 tlockley cause samba was slow
02:22 kokona that is an awsome pic of general BA
02:22 angy nope, because the Apple implementation create weird slowness into the transfer of huge file
02:22 tlockley interesting
02:22 tlockley well the raid unit is os agnostic so you could just find another computer with a PCI-X slot and use that how you want
02:23 angy if the transfert lasted more than a minute or so, it slowed down as hell
02:23 kokona (in an irish accent) "i got the locness munster unda me kilt!'
02:23 angy then back up, the slowed and keep doing that
02:23 tlockley might it have been something with QoS or the OS X Firewall?
02:24 angy not on the QoS, 10Gb lostless network
02:24 angy it has to do with OS X something (we don't use firewall on internal machines)
02:24 tlockley huh. Never ran into that before
02:24 angy strange... that does it to nearly all the xserve we ran
02:24 tlockley what OS X were you using?
02:25 angy 10.3 10.4 and 10.5
02:25 kokona wannabe1987, that is an awsome pic of general BA (in an irish accent) "i got the locness munster unda me kilt!'
02:25 tlockley g5 or intel?
02:25 angy the two of them, the G5 were worse on that part
02:25 tlockley yah, i havent noticed big file issues with 10.6 and an intel xserve
02:26 angy we should have upgraded then :)
02:26 tlockley but i am only running a 1GbE
02:26 angy I suspect the kernel integration of the 10G
02:26 tlockley so i just max out the port on botyh ends
02:27 angy but since, we've moved to ZFS ;)
02:27 tlockley whatever works the best
02:27 angy there are no comparison possible as to say
02:27 tlockley well i need to figure out how to do link agreagation with my network
02:28 wannabe1987 kokona the caption of the photo states something about kilt being either a piece of wool buckled to a man or a past tense of "kill" ie. he kilt the man for calling it a skirt
02:28 tlockley so that i dot keep maxing out the lan on my xserve
02:29 angy what do you got for switching?
02:29 kokona yes i know ive got a little scot irish heritige
02:29 kokona annabe1987
02:29 kokona w
02:29 tlockley Dell poweredge 2408 and a Netgear 1GbE smart switch
02:29 angy don't know that
02:29 tlockley i just need to spend the time really
02:30 tlockley I just wish i could find somewhere to sell 750GB IDE drives
02:30 tlockley *that sell
02:31 kokona tlockley, angy, when can the live viewers move the cameras?
02:31 tlockley dunno thats producebill's gig
02:31 tlockley *producerbill
02:31 angy I think I can find them, but not on 750G
02:32 tgg_video kokona: I am writing the web interface, and I have too many projects at to moment so it will be a while yet
02:32 tlockley meh, i probably shouldnt waste the power anyways
02:32 angy I bet you can find that overpriced by Dell
02:32 kokona naw its cool i was just curious
02:32 tgg_video tlockley: send me a pm
02:33 kokona yeah my pizza hut is hear i got chiken allfredo insted of pizza
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02:35 wannabe1987 does someone IRL want to bring me ice cream?  i'd love you....
02:35 tgg_video with bonjour you can remote in, is there a program on ubuntu you can use to remote it as well?
02:35 tgg_video s/it/in
02:35 angy that may exists
02:35 astro73|derrial wannabe1987: broke and class in the morning
02:35 angy there are a lot of bonjour enabled thingys
02:35 kokona wannabe1987, whats ur flavor?
02:35 astro73|derrial tgg_video: remote, like VNC?\
02:36 tgg_video I believe so
02:36 angy bonjour is a kind of uPnP
02:36 angy and as well been reverse engineered :)
02:37 astro73|derrial i thought bonjour was based on zeroconf and mDNS
02:37 kokona lol i went to grab the ranch for my bread sticks but i accidently grabed the maple syirup
02:37 kokona lol
02:38 wannabe1987 astro73|derrial i'm broke too...thats why i'm asking
02:39 wannabe1987 kokona - mint moose traxx, or just plain moose traxx
02:39 astro73|derrial wannabe1987: how do you make home-made in a plastic bag?
02:39 wannabe1987 i dunno, but ruth does have a maker...i should make some soon
02:40 lwq1996 i made homemade ice cream like that in 2nd grade but i forget how
02:40 kokona wannabe1987, eeeeeewwwwww the last time i steped in moose trax i couldnt get rid of the smell
02:40 wannabe1987 ...
02:40 Bat-Mobile I think it's just cream + ice + mix + time
02:40 angy I've never heard of a remote access using bonjour
02:41 kokona wannabe1987, and to think of adding mint
02:41 kokona lol
02:41 wannabe1987 plus add ins, Bat-Mobile
02:42 wannabe1987 http://www.simplecomfortfood.com/2010/05/30/mint-chocolate-chip-ice-cream/
02:43 wannabe1987 http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS437US438&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=ice+cream+simple+comfort+food#hl=en&amp;rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS437US438&amp;q=+site:simplecomfortfood.com+ice+cream+simple+comfort+food&sa=X&ei=E9pmTtaqMITs0gHj3sCLDA&ved=0CAMQqAQwBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=58935e0d63e81eca&biw=1680&bih=905  all of his ice cream recipes :P
02:43 angy I think Apple Remote Desktop is based on VNC
02:44 angy so enabling the shared controlled may enable the usage of VNC to control the server
02:44 eadthem dose it have random connection issues?
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02:44 eadthem unplugging of the network cable causing crashes on itehr the server client or both?
02:44 lwq1996 hi ynos and speed
02:45 tlockley hey ynos
02:45 angy I don't really try that eadthem
02:45 yNos yo
02:45 lwq1996 hmmm
02:45 lwq1996 .seen druidicrifleman
02:45 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw druidicrifleman 670.68 hours ago at 2011-08-10 04:05:22 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:45:55 UTC
02:46 yNos I think TonsOfPCs will get excited over my post..
02:46 yNos methinks he will maybe have some pointers.
02:46 lwq1996 .seen druidic_rifleman
02:46 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw druidic_rifleman 149.32 hours ago at 2011-08-31 21:27:29 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:46:46 UTC
02:46 yNos We should setup the LPFM transmitter we have.
02:47 yNos .lastseen tonsofpcs
02:47 BotSteve yNos: I last saw tonsofpcs 0.52 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:15:46 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:47:10 UTC
02:47 yNos crap
02:47 yNos i missed him
02:47 wannabe1987 .seen is gone?
02:47 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen is around.
02:47 lwq1996 hlly shit
02:47 wannabe1987 ah.  they both work?
02:47 wannabe1987 odd
02:48 Cprossu later yNos
02:48 Cprossu crap........
02:48 Cprossu it died again didn't it
02:49 yNos suck
02:49 Cprossu yep it's dead.
02:49 Toastdude .seen Toastdude
02:49 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw toastdude 0.79 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:02:30 UTC on #tgg-bots.  Current time: 02:49:49 UTC
02:49 Cprossu I wonder what the hell is causing it.
02:50 Toastdude Hmm...
02:50 * Cprossu checks justin.tv to figure out low long it's been down
02:50 wannabe1987 .seen Toast-Away
02:50 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw toast-away 102.16 hours ago at 2011-09-02 20:40:33 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:50:10 UTC
02:50 wannabe1987 .seen Toastdude
02:50 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw toastdude 0.00 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:50:07 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:50:14 UTC
02:50 Toastdude .seen wannabe1987
02:50 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw wannabe1987 0.00 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:50:14 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:50:27 UTC
02:50 wannabe1987 i'm not invisible!
02:50 tgg_video what is dead?
02:50 Cprossu stream computer decided to take a shit.
02:51 tgg_video ok I will reset it
02:51 lwq1996 hi
02:51 lwq1996 .seen lwq1996
02:51 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw lwq1996 0.00 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:51:12 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:51:17 UTC
02:51 Cprossu who am I speaking to btw?
02:51 wannabe1987 hi
02:51 wannabe1987 hi yNos
02:51 yNos hiya
02:51 angy tgg_video: I'm going to try finding you back the CLI for MacOS X Server
02:51 Cprossu haven't seen the 'tgg_video' monkier until now.
02:51 tgg_video yNos: If I set this xserv and xraid to static ips what range can I use?
02:51 tgg_video Cprossu: jeff
02:51 angy so you'll be able to configure all you want with ssh :)
02:51 Cprossu ahh ok
02:51 Cprossu *moniker lol
02:52 yNos tgg_video: i dont know right off hand.
02:52 tgg_video I am using one of the video computer, will I work on the xserv
02:52 yNos i dont remember how that switch is laid out, can you get into the raid unit now?
02:52 Cprossu I'm going to switch it back to the GUI based one and see if it still crashes
02:52 tlockley for now yes as bonjour is working
02:53 angy if you don't use static IP on the xraid, you need bonjour
02:53 tlockley but if the ip keeps changing then the raid monitor wont work
02:53 angy you'll have to reboot the xserv each time
02:54 tlockley for what angy?
02:54 tgg_video yNos: I got the switch working -- this computer is plugged into it
02:54 angy commit the change of the xraid ip into the sxerve
02:54 yNos once it pulls one, it shouldnt get another one.
02:54 yNos cool, i didnt think it would be setup on a goofy vlan.
02:54 tlockley true
02:55 tlockley though it looks like three of the drives i sent were DOA
02:55 kokona DNA
02:55 tgg_video but it is a good idea to give it a static ip
02:55 angy I usually have 5-20%DOA on drive shipping
02:55 tgg_video but I just don't know the range
02:55 tlockley what are you using for the DHCP server?
02:56 tgg_video nope they work, they are a seperate array
02:56 tgg_video tlockley: that is a yNos question
02:57 yNos iirc, the dhcp ttl was set to 560000 seconds
02:57 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/bird-gets-owned-by-baseball-1814.html
02:57 tlockley are you using the SMC for DHCP?
02:57 Cprossu it better be randy johnson of dbacks fame lwq1996
02:57 tgg_video tlockley: would it better to have one array than two?
02:58 yNos yeah, SMC is doing dhcp for now.
02:58 Cprossu I was watching the practice when it happened
02:58 lwq1996 what cprossu
02:58 Cprossu weird as shit.
02:58 angy you have 2 controllers, so 2 arrays minimum
02:58 lwq1996 lol
02:58 Cprossu randy johnson threw a fastball
02:58 tlockley tgg_video: it doesent matter its just my digital OCD kicking in
02:58 Cprossu and it hit a pigeon
02:58 Cprossu and it went 'poof'
02:58 tgg_video angy: I could put all the drives on one side for now
02:59 lwq1996 i would of loved to see that live
02:59 Cprossu it was insane.
02:59 tlockley tgg_video: its a little late as i dont think you can stop a initialization once started
02:59 yNos tlockley: once i get sh!t squared away, it can have a static entry. leaving things statis is bad practice imho.
02:59 Cprossu http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/22430796/johnson-smashes-bird.htm
02:59 tgg_video can you add drives to the array without having to reformat it?
02:59 tlockley yNos: if you can make it work with dhcp then be my guest i am just suggesting based on prior experience
03:00 angy with servers, bad idea to go full dyn
03:00 kokona tgg_video, im sending u guys a (P16LHV08RJA215P784A30) 64 cathode ray tube. any uses for it?
03:00 angy tgg_video: you can add spares, not working drives
03:00 yNos kokona: do you have any doc on the tube?
03:00 tgg_video ok, I might adjust them tomorrow when I talk to corey
03:01 yNos i will be there again on thursday
03:01 angy and you can't stop an initialization when started
03:01 kokona u meen the conection ports?
03:01 kokona and board
03:01 kokona ?
03:01 tgg_video yNos: so right now leave them dyn and we will put them static when we redo the network?
03:02 Cprossu boooo
03:02 Cprossu Your search - P16LHV08RJA215P784A30 - did not match any documents.
03:03 Cprossu is it a red one?
03:03 tlockley tgg_video: i just looked and i have another stack of 7x250GB drives that i will send asap so you may be better off trying to cancel the init and go with one big 7x500gb array and then when the next drives show up have an array of 7x250gb
03:03 Cprossu if it's for a projection system we have a few old CRT projectors of who knows what status lol
03:03 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/non-cheesy-romantic-tips-1807.html XD ROFLMAO
03:04 tgg_video sounds good, how do I stop the init?
03:04 tlockley dunno
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03:04 Toastdude .seen Bat-Mobile
03:04 tlockley oops forgot to eject the drive
03:04 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw bat-mobile 0.40 hours ago at 2011-09-07 02:40:47 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:04:53 UTC
03:05 tgg_video I noticed
03:05 Toastdude Hi speed-mobile
03:05 Bat-Mobile seen Toastdude
03:05 Bat-Mobile hi toast
03:05 Toastdude Oh, hi Bats
03:05 Bat-Mobile I'm ready for that code if you've got it
03:05 tonsofpcs hmmm
03:05 speed-mobile Hi Toastdude
03:05 speed-mobile Hi wannabe
03:05 tlockley tgg_video: you need to eject the smb share
03:05 * wannabe1987 doesn't feel like being social irl or irc, sorry speed-mobile
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03:06 speed-mobile Aww :( ok
03:06 lwq1996 i awe...kelly why
03:06 wannabe1987 CaptainNiobe!
03:06 lwq1996 hi chris
03:06 wannabe1987 finally, a girl appears!
03:06 yNos tgg_video: for right now things should be static, we dont want to leave anyone stranded in the move. I have some equipment coming from work, this will make things go a lot smoother.
03:06 speed-mobile Hi chriss
03:06 lwq1996 not true wannabe speeds a girl
03:06 lwq1996 :P
03:06 yNos she is?
03:07 wannabe1987 o.O
03:07 tonsofpcs chriss?
03:07 lwq1996 yup
03:07 yNos tonsofpcs!!
03:07 tonsofpcs hi yNos
03:07 wannabe1987 sorry speed-mobile, you have a vagina now
03:07 lwq1996 haha....we made him log out
03:07 tgg_video yNos: ok what range can I set the ip, I don't want to collide with the DCHP server or be out of the subnet
03:07 yNos tonsofpcs: http://thegeekgroup.org/bb/audiovisual/geek-group-radio-1/#p46383
03:08 yNos tgg_video: i dont know right now
03:08 tlockley tgg_video: you should be good if you pick like 69 or 96 as iirc the SMC starts as 100
03:08 yNos i cant get into the SMC to see what is in use.
03:08 tlockley unless you changed it
03:08 tonsofpcs ERP
03:08 tonsofpcs usually done with 200W into a 2:1
03:08 speed-mobile I mean hi CaptainNiobe
03:08 speed-mobile Im not a girl!
03:08 yNos into a 2:1?
03:08 tonsofpcs also, what broadcast FM transmitter do we have?
03:08 wannabe1987 whatev, speed
03:09 tgg_video tlockley: how many drives did you send?
03:09 tonsofpcs err, 1:2
03:09 tonsofpcs in:out for the antenna
03:09 tlockley i sent all the spare 500GBs i had
03:09 kokona tgg_video ok here is an address bar for some pics of the outer housing of the tube
03:09 speed-mobile Noooooooooooo
03:09 kokona http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/357090/large/T8200525-Cathode_ray_tube_recycling-SPL.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/357090/enlarge&amp;usg=__UWpUb351aDowza7RvaMZ7jXCSLQ=&amp;h=352&amp;w=530&amp;sz=74&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=WZzcHK693Vf3aM:&amp;tbnh=163&amp;tbnw=217&amp;ei=0d9mTpSTErPPiAKT3IyACg&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcathode%2Bray%2Btube%26tbnh%3D162%26tbnw%3D244%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2ADFA_enUS4
03:09 tlockley so i think like 8
03:09 yNos the transmitter is from GVSU iirc...
03:09 yNos not sure on make/model.
03:09 kokona but mine isnt busted
03:09 tonsofpcs also, the biggest cost will likely be the EAS box and associated parts.
03:09 tlockley i am sending a full array of 7 drives at 250gb a piece
03:09 yNos EAS box?
03:10 kokona it is in perfect working order
03:10 lwq1996 speed your having my baby so you are a girl
03:10 tonsofpcs you need an EAS encoder/decoder (well, technically for LPFM you just need a decoder, but for $100 more it saves a ton of headaches)
03:10 yNos there are 4-5 boxes in a bundle
03:10 tlockley also once the raid is located perminantly if is best if all the power is plugged in
03:10 tonsofpcs and you cannot buy a used one.
03:11 kokona tgg_video, did u see them
03:11 tonsofpcs there's new regs that go into effect september 30.  The old ones don't meet them.  My new box was ~$2000
03:11 yNos ohshit
03:11 yNos ok
03:11 yNos do you know how much work it is to get the license?
03:11 yNos ce
03:12 tonsofpcs also, you probably don't want to "play engineer" for the official paperwork.  While it's doable, it's much better to find a contract engineer willing to help.  I don't do my own regulatory other than the ongoing parts.
03:12 tgg_video tlockley: what did you send with the raid? I am showing seven. are there some that aren't showing?
03:12 yNos hmm, i wonder if any of the SBE people would help out.
03:13 tonsofpcs probably would, on the cheap.  likely not free.
03:13 tlockley i thought i sent like 8 or 9 but i know i sent enough to make a full array of 7
03:13 tonsofpcs although if you get someone to join who happens to do this kinda stuff....
03:14 tlockley and 7x500GB at raid 5 yelds like 2.75TB
03:14 tonsofpcs but you need an open filing window, you need a frequency study, you need .... and you want to be sure you meet all the minority, etc. requirements so that you win when it goes to MX.
03:15 angy I have to try RAID-5 sometime
03:15 tonsofpcs (MX == mutually exclusive == more than one person applied for a license and they would interfere)
03:15 tgg_video tlockley: there are two hitachi that weren't showing
03:15 tlockley huh, might be dead
03:16 tlockley have you tried them in a different carrier?
03:16 tgg_video nope I can try that
03:16 yNos tonsofpcs: I assumed the engineer part was station assembly
03:16 yNos ohwell
03:16 yNos back to the drawing board.
03:16 tlockley if they still dont work in different carriers then they are DOA which sucks
03:17 tlockley but I am going to send 9 more drives that are all 250GB drives for the 2nd array
03:18 tonsofpcs you don't need to file with the fcc to build a tower, you do need to clear it with the FAA (maybe, kinda), then notify the FCC.  (tower is a physical structure)
03:18 tgg_video we only have 7 open slots
03:18 yNos can we use an existing tower, or does it have to be exclusive?
03:18 tlockley so two spares for failure or DOA
03:18 tlockley cause i sent 9 last time and sofar they are DOA
03:18 yNos like.. put ham raidio antennae on the same tower.
03:18 tonsofpcs you can use an existing tower... but at the restriction of 30m HAAT, you're probably on top of the building.... and then just limited based on RF exposure limits....
03:19 tonsofpcs getting a license for a transmitter is not a short process.
03:20 kokona i have 3TB of mem on my computer is that good
03:20 yNos we are in a large valley, how large is the area they average to figure HAAT?
03:20 tonsofpcs it's not an area...
03:20 tonsofpcs it's radials from the tower position, a certain number of points on each radial
03:20 yNos thye why dont they use AGL?
03:20 yNos **then
03:21 tonsofpcs because AGL doesn't take terrain into account...
03:21 tonsofpcs remember, all these rules were written wwhen the FCC supercomputer running FORTRAN programs for _analysis_ of what you filed was not available to applicants, it just checked the applications later....
03:22 tgg_video tlockley: should these drive be set CS?
03:22 tlockley i believe so but lemme check mine
03:22 yNos .w HAAT
03:22 tonsofpcs I forget what the HAAT rules are... you can find them in the CFR...
03:22 BotSteve "Height above average terrain (HAAT) (or less popularly, EHAAT, Effective Height Above Average Terrain) is used extensively in FM radio and television, as it is actually much more important than effective radiated power (ERP) in determining the range of broadcasts (VHF [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAAT
03:22 tonsofpcs http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/
03:23 tlockley tgg_video: they should be CS
03:23 * speed-mobile attempts to poke wannabe again
03:24 speed-mobile Imissed
03:24 kokona tonsofpcs, i have 3TB of mem on my computer is that good
03:24 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/mark-your-site-sucks-1789.html
03:24 tonsofpcs hmm... idk if grand rapids is in zone I or II....
03:24 speed-mobile Oh wannabe guess what i saw yesterday!!
03:24 tonsofpcs (doesnn't matter too much for LPFM, but does for spacing...)
03:24 speed-mobile Annyone els can guess
03:25 angy a speed ticket?
03:25 yNos i bet since it is "population based", it is south of approx M-46
03:25 lwq1996 a dollar
03:25 lwq1996 a homeless man
03:25 lwq1996 a hobo
03:25 lwq1996 wait
03:26 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/safety-of-my-vgina-1786.html
03:26 * speed-mobile wonders why wannabe isnt being social
03:26 tgg_video tlockey there are four drive types (16 head, 15 head, etc) how do I tell which one this drive is?
03:26 eadthem ?
03:27 tlockley should say on sticker
03:27 eadthem o
03:27 eadthem it dosent autodetect?
03:28 tlockley eadthem: IDE drices
03:28 tgg_video I am not seeing it
03:28 tlockley *drives
03:28 eadthem like one of the orginal IDE drive types
03:28 tlockley brb
03:28 tonsofpcs ah, GR is in I
03:28 wannabe1987 speed-mobile, to borrow a title from a book its been "kelly and the terrible horrible no good very bad day"
03:29 yNos but, like you say.. not an issue.
03:29 speed-mobile O:
03:29 wannabe1987 http://jalopnik.com/5837816/texas-fires-destroy-one-collectors-175-classic-cars  :'(
03:29 wannabe1987 the poor cars!
03:30 tlockley tgg_video: use the 16head config
03:30 angy I'm off! See ya
03:30 eadthem still thinking this must be a hell of a old drive/bios to have to do manual config
03:30 wannabe1987 night angy
03:30 wannabe1987 sleep well
03:30 tgg_video ok that is what is was using
03:30 angy :)
03:30 yNos i should get to bed too
03:30 tlockley just jumpper settings eadthem
03:30 tonsofpcs yNos: well, it can affect spacing...
03:30 wannabe1987 don't do anything stupid, k?
03:30 lwq1996 wow i found the smartest guy in the world
03:30 tonsofpcs I doubt it would, but it can
03:30 tgg_video goodnight angy
03:30 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/safety-first-1780.html
03:31 angy I'll try just sleep tonight
03:31 tonsofpcs lwq1996: no you didn't.
03:31 angy hard day tomorrow
03:31 lwq1996 tonsofpcs you probally have done that
03:31 yNos If we get the ok, you want to take a nother trip out here?
03:31 yNos ;)
03:31 yNos do you know how long it takes to get a lic?
03:31 yNos avg?
03:32 speed-mobile :(
03:32 tonsofpcs yNos: well, first you have to wait for a filing window
03:32 tonsofpcs then figure a year or two for them to decide what they're issuing, then maybe a year or two for MX groups...
03:33 speed-mobile Wannabe i saw two elederly people from grand rapids, a part of a emergency responce program, scouting it out
03:33 tonsofpcs yNos: are there any TV channel 6s nearby?
03:33 wannabe1987 huh?
03:33 tonsofpcs (alternatively, you could buy an existing license...)
03:33 speed-mobile Wile i was at wendys last night
03:33 wannabe1987 ah
03:33 tonsofpcs speed-mobile: which one? route 4?
03:33 speed-mobile Yes
03:33 speed-mobile Lol
03:34 tonsofpcs awesome, get me a frossty shake? i haven't been there for one in a while :-p
03:34 speed-mobile ...that was last night
03:34 speed-mobile W/e
03:34 * speed-mobile goes to wendys and gets tonsofpcs a frosty shake
03:34 tonsofpcs :D
03:34 yNos tonsofpcs: not analog..
03:34 tonsofpcs yNos: analog/digital is irrelevant.
03:35 yNos i dont know of any tv channel 6s in the area
03:36 yNos i wonder if there are any defunct lpfm stations in the area..
03:36 tonsofpcs defunct are not useful..
03:36 tonsofpcs you can't "relicense" a lapsed license (well, not easily)
03:37 tgg_video can we get a list of LPFM in the area?
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03:38 yNos looks like there is one christian radio station in the area
03:38 yNos lpfm that is
03:38 wannabe1987 what area?
03:38 tonsofpcs hmmm... why is Cornerstone University on WCSG (91.3) and WAYG (89.9 applied for 89.7)
03:38 wannabe1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE&amp;feature=artist  good song
03:38 * speed-mobile sends tonsofpcs the shake via fstp (frosty shake transfer protocol)
03:38 tgg_video yNos: is the freq?
03:38 wannabe1987 lol
03:39 wannabe1987 fstp
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03:39 Killa-X Heya.. lol
03:39 tonsofpcs lol speed-mobile
03:39 speed-mobile :)
03:39 lwq1996 hi killa
03:39 tgg_video tonsofpcs: they have too station one in gr and one is kzoo
03:39 yNos 102.9
03:40 * speed-mobile puts phone in pocket
03:40 speed-mobile Bbl
03:40 wannabe1987 i don't like 102.9 :P
03:40 wannabe1987 o.O
03:40 tgg_video 102.9 is a LPFM station?
03:40 tonsofpcs there's an MX on 96.5 currently...   You could maybe pay them all off to 'resolve' the mx and sell the winner to you....
03:40 wannabe1987 i'm in speed-mobile's pocket?  kinky
03:40 yNos dont know how accurate this is... http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/vacant?select=city&amp;city=Grand+Rapids&amp;state=MI
03:41 speed-mobile I was about to say- /me puts irc into pocket
03:41 tonsofpcs (well, they can't sell you an application or a cp, but they can LMA the station to you and you can buy it after X years (3?))
03:41 tgg_video yNos: 102.9 is one of the most powerful christian stations in the area
03:41 tonsofpcs also an mx on 102.5
03:42 tonsofpcs WFUR-FM?
03:42 yNos sorry, typo
03:42 tonsofpcs MX on 103.7....
03:42 tgg_video yep that is 102.9
03:42 tonsofpcs 104.9....
03:43 tonsofpcs i don't know the towns in the area so it's hard for me to go through this list
03:44 yNos can you link me this list?
03:45 yNos or does it require a login?
03:45 tlockley gnight
03:46 tonsofpcs http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?state=MI&amp;call=&amp;city=&amp;arn=&amp;serv=&amp;vac=&amp;freq=0.0&amp;fre2=107.9&amp;facid=&amp;class=&amp;dkt=&amp;list=1&amp;dist=&amp;dlat2=&amp;mlat2=&amp;slat2=&amp;NS=N&amp;dlon2=&amp;mlon2=&amp;slon2=&amp;EW=W&amp;size=9
03:47 wannabe1987 night tlockley|Away
03:47 tonsofpcs g;nite
03:48 kokona best camertial i have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl3rDMv3ta8
03:50 tonsofpcs yNos: looking for things LIC'd or CP'd nearby [orr maybe APPs with no other APPs on freq] (figure a 50 mile radius or so) and < 1kW
03:50 tonsofpcs (well, any CP really, power doesn't matter much on them, a lot are CP'd just to sell)
03:51 tonsofpcs tgg_video: as for the Cornerstone, WAYK is licensed to KZoo, the other two are both licensed to GrandRapids
03:51 yNos what is CP?
03:52 Bat-Mobile cheese pizza
03:52 Killa-X yum...
03:52 yNos Bat-Mobile: i didnt ask what your balls look like
03:52 * yNos ducks and runs
03:53 * speed-mobile pulls the irc out of pocket and dusts it off
03:53 speed-mobile Hey
03:53 Killa-X Time to bring the paint back out...Ive been painting a nerf gun haha
03:53 tonsofpcs construction permit
03:53 wannabe1987 lol you guys :P
03:53 wannabe1987 speed-mobile your pocket smells
03:53 wannabe1987 you should wash your pants more often :P
03:53 speed-mobile O rly
03:53 Bat-Mobile (:
03:53 speed-mobile ... :(
03:53 yNos a few of the freqs in the area are held by RADIO LICENSE HOLDING I, LLC
03:53 speed-mobile Ok
03:54 tonsofpcs another thing you can do is license a full power FM in the reserved band (< 92 MHz) ANYWHERE (in the US) and get a translator in the reserved band....
03:54 speed-mobile Hey Bat-Mobile
03:54 speed-mobile Were boath mobile!
03:54 * speed-mobile rides alongside Bat-Mobile
03:54 tonsofpcs that's apparently Citadel, yNos
03:55 Bat-Mobile wooo!
03:55 yNos just squating so they can hold a monopoly on the market?
03:55 tgg_video tonsofpcs: we are a non profit, so that should be valid, but what is the cost?
03:56 tonsofpcs non-profit means nothing
03:56 tonsofpcs you need to be NCE.
03:56 tonsofpcs yNos: they aren't squatting.  That's just a holding corp for the licenses.
03:56 Killa-X id be mobile, but my damn 3G hates connecting to the IRC..
03:56 tgg_video nce?
03:56 tonsofpcs WDRQ is 93.1 Doug FM
03:56 tonsofpcs non-commercial educational
03:56 tonsofpcs don't worry, you probably qualify.
03:56 tgg_video yep that is us :)
03:56 yNos quoth wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-power_broadcasting#United_States
03:57 tonsofpcs heck, a commercial entity can be NCE....
03:57 yNos well, not squatting. but sitting on a freq/lic
03:57 yNos i meant.. quoth wiki: The license fee is currently $135 for a 4.8 year term license.
03:57 tonsofpcs ") Also, the one and so far only "window" for applications closed in 2003, and at present, the FCC is not entertaining any new broadcast license applications, instead conducting auctions of frequencies for full-power uses only."
03:57 yNos gah
03:57 tgg_video but non the less we should qualify, but what is the cost of that license?
03:58 yNos ^^
03:58 tgg_video yep I read your comment after I got done typing
03:58 tonsofpcs yNos: err... that's for aux LP permits... event broadcasts, usually
03:58 tgg_video only 135 that isn't much
03:58 tonsofpcs the license is nothing.
03:59 tonsofpcs the research for the license costs.
03:59 yNos speculation.. "There's speculation that the FCC will have its first LPFM filing window in 2011, perhaps as soon as 3rd quarter 2011."
03:59 tonsofpcs uh huh....
03:59 tonsofpcs so be ready.
04:00 yNos http://home.recnet.com/lpfm-filing
04:01 kokona iwant to build a rc robot car with a rc nerf like gun on it runing off Co2 cartreges
04:01 kokona for zomb
04:01 kokona with targeting abilities
04:02 tgg_video tonsofpcs: how hard is it to get a NCE license?
04:03 * tgg_video switching computers
04:03 tonsofpcs well, first you have to wait for a filing window
04:03 tonsofpcs 23:32:49 < tonsofpcs> then figure a year or two for them to decide what they're issuing, then maybe a year or two for MX groups...
04:04 tonsofpcs the engineering work (for the application) you want done by a CE or PE  [licensed engineer].
04:05 yNos so do groups sit in a deadlock over who gets a freq, locking the freq for use until they figure it out?
04:07 tonsofpcs kinda
04:07 tonsofpcs the FCC will resolve some MX groups on "points" or other systems (depends on the window)
04:07 tonsofpcs in the past, you got points for (1) minority board (2) women board (3) # of existing stations [sometimes more is better, sometimes less], ....
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04:08 yNos we fit neither.
04:08 yNos other than geek..
04:09 yNos geek is a minority, right?
04:09 ajprog_laptop tonsofpcs: ok, I thought that was just for LPFM stations
04:10 tonsofpcs yNos: well, your application will have a number of things on it...
04:10 tonsofpcs also, who is on the board of TGG? (assuming TGG will be the licensee)
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04:11 wannabe1987 producerbill were you at the lab on sunday?
04:11 yNos having *a* female or *a* minority does not make a minority or female board.
04:11 yNos does it?
04:11 tonsofpcs depends.
04:11 tonsofpcs the docket opening the filing window will tell you what you get points for
04:12 producerbill wannabe1987:  from what I understand the lab is closed on Sunday,,, has something changed?
04:12 BotSteve producerbill: I have the following messages for you:
04:12 BotSteve At 02:02Z, astro73|derrial asked me to Tell producerbill that I won't be in tomorrow. Stuff came up.
04:12 tonsofpcs often, "in first" can get you some.
04:12 tonsofpcs oh, also, serving an unserved community is usually a big one.
04:12 kokona this is the consept that i aplyed to supllymy shop with electricity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman_motor
04:12 wannabe1987 no?  lab is open everyday....
04:12 wannabe1987 it was HV weekend....
04:12 ajprog_laptop producerbill: two of the drives you put in the raid, don't work
04:12 wannabe1987 clearly it wasn't you then....
04:13 producerbill ok I can see if I can be there on Sunday, but I will be there Saturday
04:13 tonsofpcs also, sometimes there's points or resolution based upon number of people receiving a service (or a new service or a different service or a first NCE service or a ....)
04:13 wannabe1987 no, last sunday...i'm trying to figure out who kidwell was talking to in the cafe
04:13 producerbill ajprog_laptop, that sucks,,, ideas?
04:13 tonsofpcs (again, every window is different)
04:13 wannabe1987 idk what you look like :P
04:14 * tonsofpcs doesn't know what any of you look like (save for a few)
04:14 ajprog_laptop producerbill: there was seven that did work, so that filled up one side
04:14 producerbill I was talking with kidwell about the space program this weekend
04:14 yNos hrm, it is interesting, but i really need to get to bed
04:14 yNos 5:30am comes quick.
04:14 tonsofpcs again, it's eeasier to just buy a station.
04:15 tonsofpcs no it doesn't, it comes in 5 hours.
04:15 wannabe1987 there was an arduino thingy and i have no clue what was being talked about....:P  i was in teh cafe
04:15 yNos when it is midnight:15 now
04:15 producerbill wannabe1987, I look like my picture in the forms,,,, minus the paint
04:15 wannabe1987 i don't frequent the forums
04:15 yNos g'night everyonw, tonsofpcs, i want to pick your brain more.
04:15 ajprog_laptop tonsofpcs: easier yes, but probably cost more
04:15 tonsofpcs yNos: you know how to find me.
04:15 wannabe1987 night yNos
04:15 kokona night
04:15 ajprog_laptop goodnight yNos
04:15 producerbill ok I am the Guy with the head phones on in must captain blogs
04:15 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: do you want a station now or in 15 years?
04:15 * yNos waves
04:15 ajprog_laptop tonsofpcs: lol
04:15 Toastdude night yNos
04:15 tonsofpcs g'nite
04:16 wannabe1987 producerbill i don't watch them either :P
04:16 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: serious question.
04:16 wannabe1987 i used to not have an internet connection that could handle it....
04:16 wannabe1987 now i do
04:16 producerbill lol ok just ask for bill then
04:16 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: let's just assume it was bill you saw talking to kidwell, he looks like tthe guy you saw talking to kidwell.
04:16 tonsofpcs :-p
04:16 wannabe1987 ok
04:17 tonsofpcs producerbill: there's at least three bills that  were there when I was there...
04:17 tonsofpcs again, too many bills, too many steves, too many bats, too many....
04:17 wannabe1987 andrews.
04:17 tonsofpcs yes, andrews.
04:17 wannabe1987 batman is an andrew, toast is one too
04:17 tonsofpcs i think there's multiple daves too, right?
04:17 tonsofpcs and two craigs?
04:17 producerbill lol,,, ok I wear suspenders
04:17 ajprog_laptop tonsofpcs: we can tell chris to talk someone into donating it to us
04:18 wannabe1987 prolly was you then....
04:18 tonsofpcs lol ajprog_laptop, might be possible....
04:18 producerbill wannabe1987, is there something Ivan help you with?
04:18 tonsofpcs try university licenses.  A lot of them are bailing on their stations.
04:18 wannabe1987 no, i was just wondering who you are....
04:18 producerbill ok
04:18 tonsofpcs Oh, and you can (slowly) move a station too... it doesn't have to be where you need it....
04:19 ajprog_laptop I believe gvsu has one
04:19 wannabe1987 i knwo you go to the lab, andi just moved back to gr, so i'd be there more often if boden were to like me....
04:19 tonsofpcs there's a group that is slowly moving stations from west IL to chicago and from port jervis to NYC
04:19 tonsofpcs (they're doing TV, but same idea)
04:20 ajprog_laptop how do you "slowly" move a station? just keep moving the antenna by 100 miles?
04:20 producerbill botsteven:  tell astro73|derrial no problem man we will find time
04:20 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: essentially, but you can't move it that fast.
04:20 tonsofpcs 100 miles is a lot.
04:20 ajprog_laptop how big of an antenna do we need?
04:21 tonsofpcs for what?
04:21 ajprog_laptop is it something we can mount on the roof?
04:21 ajprog_laptop for a fm radio station
04:21 tonsofpcs ... 500kW?  5W?
04:21 tonsofpcs and "on the roof" probably not.  A few feet above the roof, maybe.
04:23 ajprog_laptop I just wondered if we would need find another place to put up the antenna
04:23 kokona producerbill, u shuold show this to cris it is liable and it is Perpetual motion mine hasent stoped in 3 months http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman_motor
04:23 * wannabe1987 wants to tear the second hand off clocks that tick
04:23 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: depends.
04:23 tonsofpcs I imagine tower space is easier to get than a license.
04:24 tonsofpcs oh, and when you apply, you apply assuming you can get whatever non-existant tower space you need.
04:24 tonsofpcs (usually)
04:24 producerbill post it in the forms,,, I will forget,,, very tired
04:24 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: just take the battery out.  Most of those clocks are so poorly made that they're right more often when not running ;)
04:25 wannabe1987 not my clocks....can't
04:25 wannabe1987 and she has no digital clocks o.O
04:25 kokona producerbill, ok
04:26 * tonsofpcs hands wannabe1987 a PCB, some 7-segs, and some ICs.
04:26 * wannabe1987 thinks tonsofpcs is speaking gibberish
04:27 tonsofpcs printed circuit board, seven-segment displays,  and integrated circuits
04:27 wannabe1987 still gibberish
04:27 tonsofpcs oo, also, the old radioshack digital circuits book that everyone has (idk the name of it)
04:28 tonsofpcs digital clocks are easy to make.
04:28 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/you-ruined-it-1762.html
04:28 tonsofpcs lwq1996: no, that's not it
04:28 tonsofpcs the one that looks like grid paper inside
04:28 lwq1996 what
04:30 * wannabe1987 has headache now
04:31 * tonsofpcs has nap time now
04:31 tonsofpcs g'nite :)
04:31 wannabe1987 ok
04:31 wannabe1987 night
04:31 lwq1996 night top
04:32 Toastdude night tonsofpcs
04:36 * lwq1996 tackle hugs wannabe then hands her motrin
04:37 wannabe1987 i just took 3 motrin, you read my mind o.O
04:37 lwq1996 lol
04:38 Toastdude Night all
04:39 wannabe1987 night Toastdude
04:39 wannabe1987 who is Toast-Away?
04:39 lwq1996 toast other computer
04:39 wannabe1987 ah
04:39 wannabe1987 ok
04:39 Toastdude My desktop... I keep that when I go to school so I can look at whats happened
04:39 wannabe1987 ooo
04:39 wannabe1987 stalker
04:39 Toastdude Lol
04:40 lwq1996 lol im buying a shity desktop when i can...just for irc
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04:41 lwq1996 wannabe check your fb
04:43 lwq1996 wannabe1987?
04:44 wannabe1987 slow browser, hold on lee
04:44 wannabe1987 hi Cj1corbystarlet
04:44 Cj1corbystarlet hello
04:44 lwq1996 ah....im gona get you a desktop when i move
04:44 lwq1996 a good one thats fast
04:44 lwq1996 dual core
04:45 wannabe1987 thats teh issue.  everyone thinks you don't need a fast computer for internet surfing, but you really do when its me :P
04:45 lwq1996 yeah especially when you have 15+tabs open
04:46 wannabe1987 yep.  and when i'm looking for recipes, i have more than that open....until i copy them to a txt doc and then i get rid of them...
04:48 kokona ok i have posted on the forms about the newman motor
04:51 speed-mobile Pokes his head out
04:52 * lwq1996 licks speeds face
04:52 lwq1996 wannabe...browser issues still
04:52 * speed-mobile picks up lwq1996
04:52 lwq1996 yes speed
04:52 * speed-mobile huggles his new pet puppy
04:53 lwq1996 lol
04:53 speed-mobile :3
04:53 lwq1996 woof woof
04:54 lwq1996 wannabe1987
04:54 speed-mobile Mrow
04:54 * speed-mobile paws at lwq1996
04:54 lwq1996 wtf
04:55 speed-mobile ;)
04:56 lwq1996 you keep me woundering speed
04:56 speed-mobile Wondering what?
04:56 speed-mobile Im strait no worries
04:56 lwq1996 not about that speed....
04:57 lwq1996 i wounder if your brains in right sometimes
04:57 speed-mobile Im nit a furry
04:57 speed-mobile Sometimes it flips upsidedown
04:58 speed-mobile Idk
04:58 speed-mobile Jk
04:58 lwq1996 lol
04:59 * wannabe1987 defenestrates her computer....again
05:05 wannabe1987 o.O chrome crashed.
05:07 lwq1996 lol...firefox rocks
05:07 wannabe1987 no
05:07 wannabe1987 it sucked more than chrome is
05:07 lwq1996 did you try safari yet
05:08 wannabe1987 no.  nor have i tried opera
05:09 lwq1996 i may try safrai
05:09 lwq1996 safari
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05:14 wannabe1987 Experimentonomen what browser do you use?
05:15 Experimentonomen google chrome, used to use firefox and opera
05:15 wannabe1987 cool
05:15 wannabe1987 js
05:15 wannabe1987 jw*
05:15 lwq1996 lol seems that must be the most popular
05:15 * Experimentonomen listens to Megaman remixes on his mp3 players internal speaker
05:15 lwq1996 ie is to slow if it was not as slow i would use it
05:16 Experimentonomen ie is only meant for downloading a better browser
05:16 wannabe1987 its also rumoured to be not as safe
05:17 Experimentonomen ie is pure crap
05:17 Bat-Mobile Experimentonomen: the only website you ever visit with internet explorer is www.ie7.com
05:17 Experimentonomen i've uninstalled it from my puter
05:18 Cprossu funny, you know the only site I visited with IE was www.mozilla.org
05:18 speed-mobile Wannabe defenstrates?
05:19 wannabe1987 .g defenestrate
05:19 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defenestrate
05:19 speed-mobile Lol Cprossu
05:19 lwq1996 hey cprossu you may know the answer to this
05:19 wannabe1987 to throw (person or thing) out of a window
05:19 wannabe1987 :P
05:19 Cprossu what's up?
05:20 Cprossu is both an option wannabe1987?
05:20 wannabe1987 yes
05:20 lwq1996 if i buy a wifi hotspot usb modem would i need to set up an account with verizon
05:20 Cprossu yes.
05:20 lwq1996 damn
05:20 speed-mobile Lol
05:20 lwq1996 do u knwo how much it would cost
05:20 Cprossu there are ways out of it prepaid
05:20 Cprossu but it's... complicated
05:20 Cprossu expect $40-$50 a month.
05:21 speed-mobile O_o
05:21 Cprossu sucks.
05:21 Cprossu and it's a rip off too
05:21 lwq1996 O_O holly shit....no thank you i do not accept the charges
05:21 speed-mobile Oh my, id rather just public wifi
05:21 lwq1996 its a 4g modem im looking for
05:21 Bat-Mobile Cprossu: did you click on www.ie7.com ?
05:21 Cprossu you *can* get it for $20-$30 a month but it's just like not having internet
05:21 Cprossu no.
05:21 Bat-Mobile you should
05:22 Cprossu HAHAHAHAH
05:22 Cprossu that's fucking awesome
05:22 lwq1996 ROFLMAO
05:22 Cprossu ie8.com is up for grabs too
05:22 speed-mobile ....whats that link go to?
05:22 * speed-mobile clicks
05:23 * lwq1996 waits for speed
05:23 * Cprossu hopes speed-mobile wasn't drinking anything
05:23 speed-mobile OMG THATS F---IN AWESOME
05:23 Cprossu I love the "Neither this site nor Mozilla is connected with Microsoft."
05:23 Cprossu true dat.
05:24 lwq1996 lol
05:24 Bat-Mobile aw man
05:24 Bat-Mobile astro got klined
05:24 Bat-Mobile what'd you do astro?
05:24 Cprossu oh shit.
05:24 lwq1996 why
05:24 wannabe1987 whats klined?
05:24 wannabe1987 and i saw him tonight :P
05:24 lwq1996 wannabes got a new friend
05:24 wannabe1987 new?
05:25 wannabe1987 we've been friends before TGG
05:25 wannabe1987 :P
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05:25 lwq1996 well new friend met in person
05:25 wannabe1987 i've been friends IRL with him before tgg
05:25 speed-mobile Astro!!!
05:25 lwq1996 oh
05:25 speed-mobile Noooo
05:25 wannabe1987 i knew him before tgg came to gr
05:25 lwq1996 he got kicked
05:25 speed-mobile :(
05:26 lwq1996 code blue on astro it seems
05:26 wannabe1987 he's not on facebook...
05:28 Cprossu anyone got astro's number?
05:28 Cprossu I've got the situation rectified.
05:28 wannabe1987 maybe
05:28 wannabe1987 :P
05:28 wannabe1987 nope...
05:28 Cprossu <+mst> Cprossu: GGALLIN [u3587@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymrgrvpsmwpcntmk] was the target
05:28 wannabe1987 wait~!
05:28 Cprossu <Cprossu> I hate it when that happens, thanks for the info.
05:28 Cprossu ^ that's what happened.
05:29 wannabe1987 Cprossu only email addresses and address and twitter on facebook...not his number.
05:29 wannabe1987 my friend has his number if its *that* important....they're close friends
05:30 wannabe1987 about jamie "Major geek. Not gamer nerd. Geek. Like "excuse me, I have to go code" geek."
05:30 Cprossu just tell him the k-line irc thing was rectified.
05:30 wannabe1987 done
05:30 Cprossu thanks.
05:30 lwq1996 what does that mean cprossu
05:30 wannabe1987 np
05:31 Cprossu it means the ircops k-lined a user mask, and instead of getting one person
05:31 Cprossu they k-lined everyone who had a similar mask
05:31 Cprossu thus anyone who was in irccloud.com got the ax.
05:31 Cprossu and it was a very unfriendly ax too
05:31 lwq1996 why did they do it?
05:32 Cprossu racist spammer.
05:32 lwq1996 ah
05:32 Cprossu sometimes when you swat a fly with a sledgehammer you take out more than just the fly.
05:33 lwq1996 lol ok
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05:34 SpeedrunnerG55 hello
05:34 lwq1996 hi speed
05:34 lwq1996 is your name douglas
05:34 SpeedrunnerG55 speed-mobile, please leave
05:35 SpeedrunnerG55 close the colloquy irc chat client speed-mobile
05:36 SpeedrunnerG55 thank you
05:36 SpeedrunnerG55 my mom took my phone, and i had to tell her to close the hat program
05:36 wannabe1987 lol
05:37 lwq1996 SPEED HOW OLD ARE YOU?
05:38 wannabe1987 older than you
05:38 lwq1996 well my mom dont take my phone
05:38 wannabe1987 old enough to be in college :P
05:38 wannabe1987 his mom uses his phone i think....
05:38 wannabe1987 she's had it before and said "hi"
05:38 lwq1996 ah
05:38 lwq1996 lol
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 yep
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 how old is lwq1996
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 wait
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 >_>
05:39 lwq1996 14
05:39 lwq1996 almost 15
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 i can math
05:39 wannabe1987 guess by the number haha
05:39 SpeedrunnerG55 i just didnt see the date
05:39 wannabe1987 ...
05:40 wannabe1987 dude that sucks for a birthday....my moms is the 25th of dec tho :P
05:40 lwq1996 lol
05:40 lwq1996 december 27 is mine
05:40 SpeedrunnerG55 may 26th :D
05:40 lwq1996 of what year
05:40 SpeedrunnerG55 1992
05:41 wannabe1987 mines 24th of march
05:41 wannabe1987 speed!  thats my sister birth year
05:41 wannabe1987 o.O
05:41 SpeedrunnerG55 lol
05:41 lwq1996 your 18 or 19
05:41 SpeedrunnerG55 19
05:41 lwq1996 ah
05:41 lwq1996 HA
05:43 * lwq1996 kills chat
05:43 * lwq1996 licks speeds face
05:43 lwq1996 woof woof
05:44 * SpeedrunnerG55 gives lwq1996 a bone
05:44 wannabe1987 o.O
05:44 wannabe1987 boner*
05:44 SpeedrunnerG55 no wannabe1987
05:44 lwq1996 im a dog
05:44 wannabe1987 how do you know?
05:45 pegasus the yiffing gave it away.
05:45 lwq1996 i give speed the boner...;P
05:45 * SpeedrunnerG55 wonders who wannabe is talking to
05:45 wannabe1987 hi pegasus
05:45 pegasus hello wanna.
05:45 wannabe1987 what do you mean, speed?
05:45 * SpeedrunnerG55 is facid
05:45 SpeedrunnerG55 <wannabe1987> how do you know?
05:45 wannabe1987 facid?
05:45 SpeedrunnerG55 how does who know?
05:46 wannabe1987 how do you know SpeedrunnerG55 doesn't give lwq1996 a boner.
05:46 wannabe1987 just saying
05:46 wannabe1987 (sorry lee)
05:46 SpeedrunnerG55 oh my
05:46 * wannabe1987 ends this topic
05:46 wannabe1987 NEW ONE!
05:47 SpeedrunnerG55 thank you wannabe1987
05:47 lwq1996 **facepalm**
05:47 lwq1996 i got a new pillow :P
05:47 SpeedrunnerG55 hmm i used to use floppy discs in elementery schooll
05:47 wannabe1987 so did i....
05:47 wannabe1987 middle school, even
05:47 SpeedrunnerG55 i started using flash in middle school
05:48 wannabe1987 the rubber came off, i fixed
05:48 lwq1996 i used one in 5th grade for a dinosaur of a computer
05:48 SpeedrunnerG55 and they started teaching me how to use laptops in 2nd grade
05:48 lwq1996 my teacher still has the first mac
05:48 SpeedrunnerG55 apple 1???
05:48 SpeedrunnerG55 or apple 2
05:48 lwq1996 yes
05:48 lwq1996 mc100
05:48 lwq1996 or mc1000
05:49 SpeedrunnerG55 holly crap that belongs in a musium
05:49 lwq1996 ik
05:49 lwq1996 it had the 3.5inc floppy
05:49 lwq1996 i think
05:49 SpeedrunnerG55 thats like...
05:49 SpeedrunnerG55 build you own ma
05:49 SpeedrunnerG55 mac
05:49 lwq1996 lol
05:49 SpeedrunnerG55 the oposite of what macs are today
05:49 lwq1996 it had a printer
05:49 lwq1996 ik
05:50 lwq1996 a printer that printed chracters only not pictures
05:50 SpeedrunnerG55 ye, impact printer?
05:50 lwq1996 it you wnated to do a pic you had to use characters
05:50 lwq1996 idk
05:50 SpeedrunnerG55 ascii art ftw
05:50 lwq1996 i was to young to learn that stuff
05:50 lwq1996 well i used it i didnt know what it was
05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 cool
05:51 lwq1996 she had 3 newer macs but still old
05:51 lwq1996 they were awesome
05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 ive never even seen an aplpe 1
05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 aapple 1
05:51 lwq1996 i wish we would go back to simpler days
05:51 lwq1996 lol
05:51 wannabe1987 why lee?
05:51 lwq1996 come to flinton pa
05:51 SpeedrunnerG55 no, i want to go to the future B)
05:51 pegasus the original macintosh was the 128k, not a 1000
05:52 lwq1996 ik
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05:52 lwq1996 well it was a serial
05:52 wannabe1987 i want flying cars!
05:52 wannabe1987 o.O SEROSTER?!
05:52 wannabe1987 fuck
05:52 Seroster Yes?
05:52 lwq1996 i want old computers back like windows 98 and shit like that
05:52 SpeedrunnerG55 hi Seroster
05:52 Seroster Hi there speed
05:52 lwq1996 you want to fuck seroster
05:52 Seroster Don't you all?
05:52 wannabe1987 i'm playing weird al
05:53 lwq1996 i woulnt mind my old hp compaq either
05:53 lwq1996 lol
05:53 Seroster Yeah you got the wierd part right
05:53 wannabe1987 :P
05:53 wannabe1987 anyone want a motor to tinker with?
05:53 SpeedrunnerG55 me!
05:53 SpeedrunnerG55 lol jk
05:53 lwq1996 me
05:53 wannabe1987 come get it ;P
05:53 lwq1996 i do
05:53 wannabe1987 :P
05:53 lwq1996 damn
05:53 wannabe1987 its from a vacuum....
05:53 lwq1996 send it to me :(
05:54 SpeedrunnerG55 ohh!
05:54 wannabe1987 i dont' have money.....
05:54 lwq1996 i want it
05:54 lwq1996 i call dibs
05:54 SpeedrunnerG55 does it have the turbine on it?
05:54 lwq1996 SPEED I CALL DIBS
05:54 SpeedrunnerG55 awww
05:54 wannabe1987 SpeedrunnerG55 its still attached to said vacuum so idk
05:54 lwq1996 LOL WE CAN SHARE
05:54 lwq1996 send it back and forth
05:54 wannabe1987 yes.  when you both get here you can share it
05:54 wannabe1987 :nods:
05:55 lwq1996 lol
05:55 wannabe1987 till then i'll find someplace to store it....
05:55 wannabe1987 :P
05:55 lwq1996 dont ruin it
05:55 wannabe1987 o.O
05:55 lwq1996 if it has conectors save them
05:55 SpeedrunnerG55 gee thanx wannabe
05:55 wannabe1987 i'm just going to take it out of the vacuum....
05:55 wannabe1987 what speed?
05:55 SpeedrunnerG55 thanks
05:55 wannabe1987 someday you'll be her.e...it'll take lee 4 years
05:55 lwq1996 lol
05:55 lwq1996 yup
05:56 SpeedrunnerG55 lee will probably get there before me
05:56 wannabe1987 you'll be able to get here by then
05:56 wannabe1987 :)
05:56 wannabe1987 o.O
05:56 lwq1996 botsteve pick heads or tails
05:56 lwq1996 damn
05:56 wannabe1987 .tails
05:56 wannabe1987 .coin
05:56 BotSteve Tails!
05:56 SpeedrunnerG55 .coin
05:56 BotSteve Heads!
05:56 lwq1996 wannabe you call it
05:56 wannabe1987 set on the edge
05:57 Seroster Hrm
05:57 lwq1996 ok seroster heads or tails
05:57 Seroster tails, speed get it.
05:57 Seroster head lwq gets it
05:57 Seroster .coin
05:57 BotSteve Tails!
05:57 lwq1996 not that
05:57 lwq1996 FUCK\
05:57 Seroster See, speed got it.
05:57 SpeedrunnerG55 :D
05:57 Seroster Don't make it overly complicated
05:57 lwq1996 FUCK YOU SEROSTER NOT WHAT I MENT
05:57 wannabe1987 i'll send it to who its cheapest for....there!
05:57 lwq1996 me
05:57 SpeedrunnerG55 lol
05:58 Seroster Did you just tell an op to fuck off, in caps?  You gotta learn some things about IRC, lwq1996 =P
05:58 lwq1996 speed what state do u live in
05:58 SpeedrunnerG55 NJ
05:58 lwq1996 lol
05:58 lwq1996 speed im closer sorry
05:58 Seroster He lives in New Jork! =D
05:58 * SpeedrunnerG55 is getting rained on >.<
05:58 lwq1996 lol why
05:58 lwq1996 window open
05:58 Seroster Not to be confused with New Yeresey.
05:58 SpeedrunnerG55 no, my house is
05:59 SpeedrunnerG55 ...
05:59 lwq1996 seroster idc what i say to and op...they shit through the same way as me
05:59 lwq1996 speed the package would probally go right through my town too
06:00 lwq1996 hello
06:00 wannabe1987 hello?
06:00 lwq1996 i kills z chat?
06:00 wannabe1987 no!
06:00 wannabe1987 yes, cuz you haz to sleep
06:00 lwq1996 ok mom :(
06:00 wannabe1987 hey.  school is important
06:01 wannabe1987 even when it sucks
06:01 Seroster Just like... Erm
06:01 wannabe1987 what Seroster?
06:01 lwq1996 sleep isnt...i got 2hours sleep last night and still did school
06:01 wannabe1987 w/o sleeping in your classes?
06:02 lwq1996 yes
06:02 lwq1996 well i put my head down and read sideways
06:02 wannabe1987 lol
06:02 wannabe1987 how ddi that work for you?
06:02 wannabe1987 one kid fell asleep in spanish class...teacher wrote on his face with lipstick :P
06:02 lwq1996 oh my teachers dont care if we do that
06:02 wannabe1987 ah
06:02 lwq1996 as long as they see our eyes open
06:03 lwq1996 lol
06:03 lwq1996 really they were aloud to do that
06:03 wannabe1987 he didn't notice till the next day...
06:03 wannabe1987 yes
06:03 wannabe1987 this was in 03
06:03 wannabe1987 02/03
06:03 lwq1996 wow
06:03 SpeedrunnerG55 oh my
06:03 lwq1996 if it was my school the kid would of knocked the teachers head off
06:04 SpeedrunnerG55 huh
06:04 wannabe1987 lol
06:04 wannabe1987 he was sleeping
06:04 lwq1996 we dont respect teachers at my school
06:04 wannabe1987 he apparently is a deep sleeper....
06:04 lwq1996 well i do
06:04 wannabe1987 o.O
06:04 wannabe1987 i love(d) my teachers
06:04 wannabe1987 even the evil ones (gov, math, etc)
06:04 lwq1996 i like one only....thats mr.stacey...hes the band director
06:05 SpeedrunnerG55 i lothed 70-80% of my teachers
06:05 SpeedrunnerG55 and i liked 10%
06:05 lwq1996 lol
06:05 SpeedrunnerG55 and <3 the other 5-10%
06:05 wannabe1987 what about the other 10-20%?
06:05 wannabe1987 ah
06:05 lwq1996 i called one a bitch once. and she was like...so what do your homework and i wouldnt be btiching
06:06 wannabe1987 lol so true
06:06 SpeedrunnerG55 i got into arguments with my science teachers. about stupid stuff
06:06 lwq1996 lol like
06:07 SpeedrunnerG55 like, stuff i wasnt suposed to learn yet. or i wouldnt agree with a lot of things
06:07 lwq1996 science was one of the classes i just ignored because i knew it all
06:07 pegasus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJ4B6UNKlk
06:07 lwq1996 i love science but hate the teachers
06:07 wannabe1987 "pretty fly for a rabbi"
06:08 SpeedrunnerG55 i wonder how hard it is to become a science teacher
06:08 wannabe1987 you have to deal with kids...ugh
06:08 wannabe1987 you need at least a bachelors to teach....
06:09 SpeedrunnerG55 ok
06:09 wannabe1987 not to sub tho, you need a cert. to do that
06:09 wannabe1987 :P
06:09 SpeedrunnerG55 there were a few science teaches i really liked
06:09 lwq1996 lol my band director can hire on of his students if he wants... he dont care
06:09 SpeedrunnerG55 but in highschool......
06:09 SpeedrunnerG55 it was nothing but miiseery
06:10 * SpeedrunnerG55 cries
06:10 Seroster It IS nothing but misery
06:12 lwq1996 any teacher that could stand me was a good one tho
06:12 lwq1996 i made one cry before
06:12 wannabe1987 o.O
06:12 wannabe1987 how
06:12 SpeedrunnerG55 wow
06:13 lwq1996 i didnt mean to...she was yelling at me for missing a problem....
06:13 lwq1996 and i have a temper
06:13 SpeedrunnerG55 wow
06:13 * wannabe1987 makes sure to stay on lee's good side
06:14 lwq1996 lol...dont worry kelly im nto like that anymore
06:14 * SpeedrunnerG55 hugs lee
06:14 wannabe1987 still.  being on peoples good sides is best
06:14 lwq1996 ik
06:14 * wannabe1987 hugs you two :)
06:15 wannabe1987 GROUP HUG!
06:15 SpeedrunnerG55 :D
06:15 lwq1996 but now i dont give a crap what people say to me
06:15 lwq1996 lol
06:15 * lwq1996 huggles
06:15 lwq1996 hugs+huddle=huggles
06:15 SpeedrunnerG55 o_o
06:15 lwq1996 lol
06:16 lwq1996 speed you know you loved it
06:16 * wannabe1987 had a group hug and boobies were in my face (today)....the girl is 6'2" and i'm 5'7". it was odd
06:17 lwq1996 ok then
06:17 wannabe1987 yeah
06:17 lwq1996 they were up in yoru personal space
06:17 wannabe1987 IN YO FACE!
06:17 lwq1996 LOL
06:17 lwq1996 ROFLMAO
06:18 wannabe1987 :)
06:18 * wannabe1987 makes lee roll on teh floor
06:18 * lwq1996 pulls kelly down adn they roll together....plus speed
06:18 wannabe1987 ....
06:19 wannabe1987 :blink blink:
06:19 lwq1996 lol
06:19 lwq1996 speed....did yo fall asleep
06:20 wannabe1987 SPEEDRUNNERG55!
06:20 * lwq1996 pokes speed with stick
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06:20 wannabe1987 hi Electronics
06:22 Electronics hi
06:23 wannabe1987 WHITE AND NERDY
06:24 lwq1996 IS WHAT WE ARE
06:24 wannabe1987 what if somoenes black?
06:24 wannabe1987 is he white and nerdy then?
06:25 lwq1996 then hes riding dirty
06:25 pegasus #firstworldproblems
06:25 lwq1996 thats /join
06:25 pegasus no, that's a hashtag.
06:26 lwq1996 hmmmm....
06:26 * lwq1996 +bed+sleep=good?
06:27 * lwq1996 +beer+women=good night out
06:27 wannabe1987 usually.
06:27 wannabe1987 o.O
06:27 lwq1996 lol
06:27 wannabe1987 no beer for you!
06:27 lwq1996 ignore that
06:27 lwq1996 ok but can mes keep the women
06:27 wannabe1987 sure.
06:27 lwq1996 yay
06:27 wannabe1987 whatcha gonna do w/ them?
06:28 lwq1996 ummmmmmmm............................................
06:28 lwq1996 take them to a fancy resturant
06:28 wannabe1987 can i go?
06:28 lwq1996 SHURE
06:28 wannabe1987 i haven't been on a date in forever :(
06:28 lwq1996 awe....
06:28 lwq1996 WAIT...like 3weeks ago...when you were with drew
06:28 wannabe1987 tj was "broke"
06:28 lwq1996 ah
06:28 lwq1996 i see
06:29 lwq1996 he bumbed off of you
06:29 lwq1996 i got 20 we can get the 2 for twenty at chilis
06:29 wannabe1987 no.  i cooked
06:29 lwq1996 omg my stomachs grawling
06:29 * wannabe1987 gives lee chocolate
06:29 lwq1996 yay food
06:29 * lwq1996 yum
06:30 * lwq1996 pokes speed
06:30 lwq1996 well i should be off to bed
06:30 wannabe1987 :nods:
06:30 lwq1996 night pegasus
06:31 * lwq1996 waves good bye
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06:35 Seroster Time to go to school, folks
06:35 Seroster Cya
06:36 wannabe1987 SpeedrunnerG55 - lee says "hugs"
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07:33 Cj1corbystarlet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnzlbyTZsQY&amp;feature=share
07:37 pegasus sad, isn't it?
07:40 Cj1corbystarlet Skynet time ................
07:50 Cprossu hey astro73|derrial sorry about the massive irc kline
07:50 Cprossu it was apparently a pita to sort out for the ircops
07:52 Cprossu (and by pita I don't mean a round pocket bread widely consumed in many Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, and Balkan cuisines, I mean a Pain In The Ass)
08:00 pegasus Cj: we'll never get to skynet at this rate
08:00 Cprossu we just need a time machine, how hard could that be?
08:00 pegasus i sincerely believe that if a computer ever asks a question hinting that it might be self-aware within my lifetime, it'll be because it was programmed to ask it.
08:01 pegasus note: cleverbot is programmed to be a massive parrot.
08:01 Cprossu let's see, if I just envision me creating a time machine and myself coming back to this moment in time, then I'll have the problem licked.
08:01 pegasus everything you say to it consists of programming in my stated context.
08:01 Cprossu Shit. I guess I didn't invent time travel in my lifetime =(
08:02 pegasus or you forgot when, exactly, this moment in time was
08:02 pegasus give yourself a few minutes to be late
08:02 pegasus oh, did you look at the clock?
08:02 pegasus that would be important
08:02 Cprossu which would be easy to do because there would be other places I'd want to go if I had had one
08:02 pegasus maybe write the date/time down somewhere
08:03 pegasus the current model of spacetime suggests that matter cannot travel back in time, but makes no such statement about information
08:03 Cprossu good point, 01:03:30 hours GMT-7 stomic September 7th 2011
08:03 Cprossu stomic=atomic
08:03 pegasus if i eveer worked out a way around that restriction, i would assume that that restriction exists to negate the possibility of a paradox
08:04 pegasus so the first thing i would do is go back in time and tell myself how to get around it
08:04 Cprossu actually the first thing I would do with a time machine is create a paradox.
08:04 Cprossu and a funny one to myself at that
08:04 pegasus that information wouldn't risk a paradox, by the current model, but my future self would cease to exist, and be replaced by a predestined younger version of myself
08:04 pegasus giving me more lifetime in which to do random things
08:05 Cj1corbystarlet ohhhh torrent finished back soon
08:05 pegasus giving my current self a future time machine would break physics, though
08:05 Cprossu in my case I'd give a very advanced piece/pieces of technology to the people who invented those pieces
08:06 pegasus giving them the object too long before they invented them would cause a paradox
08:06 pegasus unless they sat on it for a while
08:06 Cprossu but I am trying to CREATE paradoxes
08:06 Cprossu remember?
08:06 pegasus giving them the object close enough to when they invented them may well be a predestination paradox
08:07 Cprossu like I'd plop a suped up desktop computer on von neumann's desk for an example
08:07 pegasus giving them the information required to invent the object = no paradox
08:07 pegasus and i'm trying to help
08:07 Cprossu good point
08:07 Cprossu but it will be right after they 'invented the concept'
08:07 Cj1corbystarlet i'd give myself the numbers for the biggest lotto win, if i'm going to change the future might as well be in my favour
08:07 Cprossu it won't work out
08:07 Cprossu at least that's what quantum mechanics says.
08:07 pegasus the most reliable way to create a paradox that will actually shred spacetime would be to go back and kill your father while he was a child
08:08 pegasus unless, of course, he isn't
08:08 pegasus better aim for your mother instead
08:08 Cprossu the butterfly in central park will kill your chances at the lotto win as it's wings will flap differently
08:08 pegasus the butterfly effect depends on a particular model of physics, which is currently out of favor
08:08 Cprossu due to your presence to give yourself the lotto ticket
08:09 Cprossu I'm not too sure why it's out of favor
08:09 Cj1corbystarlet i wouldnt meet face to face
08:09 pegasus because it virtually guarantees a paradox in the face of time travel
08:09 pegasus such doomsaying is out of fashion
08:09 Cprossu well in quantum mechanics I could if the wall and my hand would last long enough
08:09 Cprossu put my hand through a wall
08:10 pegasus by quantum physics, you could, at any given moment, suddenly exist on the other side of the wall, for no reason, and without warning
08:10 Cprossu in a given lengthy amount of time which is longer than mankind has existed.
08:10 Cprossu yep.
08:10 Cprossu or alter the lotto results form another dimensional plane
08:10 Cprossu *from
08:10 pegasus this is a problem which has been resolved, btw
08:11 Cprossu or to technically
08:11 Cprossu have they worked out fermion boson pairings yet or is that still theoretical?
08:11 pegasus no idea.
08:11 pegasus i don't have much interest in particle theories
08:11 Cprossu that's where I live.
08:12 * pegasus googles it
08:12 Cprossu if you couldn't tell
08:15 Cprossu if my memory serves it's a mystery that we need to explain using overcomplicated math which only applies in certain pre-determined conditions. There is a theory that it can be simplified and another theory that the theorised simplification will tell us more about the behaviors that should be exhibited by normal matter.
08:15 Cprossu specifically in other dimensional planes.
08:15 pegasus well i'm of the opinion that if the math is ugly, it's wrong
08:15 Cprossu same here.
08:15 Cprossu hence the latter part of my statement.
08:16 pegasus if it can be simplified, it will predict more behavior and possibly be verified (and enter the "theory" phase of life)
08:16 pegasus if it can't be simplified, i think it's probably wrong
08:16 Cprossu I sure hope so.
08:17 pegasus if it can be simplified and has its simplification disproved, either the simplification is wrong, or the math itself
08:17 Cprossu the problem is the people working on it currently are so close to their work they've blinded themselves.
08:17 pegasus mistakes happen
08:17 pegasus that happens a lot
08:18 Cprossu that's one reason I want to be on the 'experimental' and 'data collection' side of particle physics...
08:18 Cprossu or at least that's what I tell myself whenever I wonder 'what I want to grow up to be'
08:19 Cprossu because testing for something and seeing something else is not what the theorists look for.
08:20 pegasus i like the theoretical side. usually having something to do with a unification of astrophysics and subatomic physics. i believe that the math that works for one should work for the other.
08:20 pegasus the forces change, not the math. imo.
08:21 Cprossu the problem has been so far that the forces involved at smaller sub atomic scales act in ways that don't necessarily make the most amount of logical sense.
08:21 pegasus in other news, why the hell does twitter think i give a fuck about snooki
08:22 Cprossu because 'everyone does'
08:22 Cprossu ?
08:22 pegasus i hope not.
08:22 Cprossu this is TWITter we're talking about.
08:22 pegasus i think when the observed phenomena contradict the math, the answer is to throw out the math and start again, not to write new math to explain it away
08:23 pegasus for example
08:23 pegasus particle alpha exists at point A and then delta T later it exists at point B
08:24 Cprossu the issue in the subatomic world is to first decide how everything 'should' act, and then how everything acting interferes with the way everything acts.
08:24 pegasus the math says that delta T is too small for particle alpha to traverse the space between point A and point B without exceeding the speed of light
08:24 pegasus so quantum physics is invented and says that a particle doesn't have to traverse space to move
08:24 Cprossu then factor in the changes that occur just by being able to observe it
08:24 pegasus that's crap
08:24 Cprossu the problem is simply undefined dimensions and what they actually are.
08:24 pegasus either the particle at point A and the particle at point B are not the same particle, or the speed of light isn't (or isn't always) a limit
08:25 Cprossu we know we have to have a minimum of 7 dimensions to explain phenomina we see in the big colliders.
08:25 pegasus 11
08:25 Cprossu yeah but 7 bare minimum
08:25 Cprossu they thought 11 3 years ago
08:25 pegasus yeah, but 7 results in 5 theories :)
08:25 Cprossu but my latest contact said they moved it back down to 7 for now
08:25 pegasus that all work
08:26 Cprossu 11 I think is more of an excuse to explain things that occur in other dimensions which we didn't account for
08:27 Cprossu so I'm staying to 'at least 7'
08:27 Cprossu it can be 100 for all I care but at least 7
08:29 pegasus i think it's interesting that the number keeps changing
08:29 Cprossu so pegasus with regard to particle physics, when are most of the made up terms which have several definitions going to finally bite it in the ass?
08:29 Cprossu well it's a 'minimum number'
08:29 pegasus right, but that minimum keeps changing
08:29 Cprossu ever hear anyone declare a maximum?
08:29 pegasus i say minimum 4
08:30 pegasus i think the higgs-boson is a ludicrous concept that throws back to the concept of the graviton
08:30 pegasus a particle that bestows the property of mass is unnecessary
08:31 Cprossu but it would simplify everyone's life.
08:31 pegasus the universe does not operate to simplify the lives of those that seek to understand it
08:31 pegasus 's operation
08:31 Cprossu try and tell a physics junkie that mass 'is just there'
08:32 Cprossu the only thing that matters is the fact that it takes a fuck of a lot of energy to 'produce' or 'offset' it to mass
08:33 pegasus offset what to mass
08:33 Cprossu nothing.
08:33 pegasus oic
08:33 pegasus i disagree
08:33 pegasus we were talking about quantum chaos effects before
08:33 pegasus how you could just suddenly appear on the other side of the wall and cease to exist on this side
08:33 Cprossu as long as you have enough energy in the right space with the right kind of containments you can create mass from that energy but it will take 2 forms which will take more energy to keep seperate.
08:34 pegasus consider that you could also NOT cease to exist on this side
08:34 pegasus particles come into being all the time
08:34 Cprossu and also decay too but the energy never dissapates entirely.
08:35 pegasus correct, it's background radiation
08:35 pegasus it's all wave functions
08:35 Cprossu it takes energy to maintain mass, imo.
08:35 pegasus i don't think it does, it just takes coincidence
08:35 pegasus think about wave interference
08:35 Cprossu it's a very very very very very small amount.
08:35 Cprossu but in my heart of hearts I think it does.
08:36 pegasus it's relatively easy to create a standing wave pattern that consists of bumps on the surface rather than ridges
08:36 Cprossu it would such an insignificant amount that it's nearly immesurable by any mean.
08:36 pegasus peaks of water instead of waves
08:36 Cprossu sort of like the mass of a neutrino.
08:36 pegasus if water was frictionless, it wouldn't take energy
08:36 pegasus even though gravity would try to make it return to a rest state, the wave would continue to reflect
08:36 Cprossu but water is far from frictionless.
08:37 pegasus right, but spacetime may well be
08:37 pegasus it's all wave functions.
08:37 Cprossu also we truely haven't defined another weird phenomenon we have either.
08:37 Cprossu that being 'empty space'
08:37 pegasus space is never empty. :)
08:37 Cprossu exactly.
08:38 Cprossu but we have to say it could exist, and if it does, what the fuck is it.
08:38 pegasus an expanse of spacetime sparsely populated by matter enough to the point that the matter in that spacetime is not detectable
08:38 pegasus but may-as-well-be-zero != zero
08:39 Cprossu and that's how we get our misconceptions.
08:39 pegasus that someone says zero?
08:39 Cprossu F=MA rocks until 3/4 the speed of light for an instance.
08:40 Cprossu is it good enough for me to tell you what force the rock I threw at your heat imparted on you? SURE AS HELL IS!
08:40 pegasus i haven't seen a demonstration of relativistic mass, but i suppose there could be a term in newton's equations that is typically may-as-well-be-zero
08:41 pegasus that would change it to F=ma+mr, where r is the relativistic mass factor and consists of a given constant plus velocity
08:41 pegasus "plus" in the "in addition to" sense, not the mathematical sense
08:41 Cprossu yeah
08:42 Cprossu that's what E=MC^2 really is.
08:42 pegasus two thought experiments for you to ponder while i'm outside causing damage to my lungs
08:43 pegasus 1) if the universe is infinite, and as you approach the speed of light, you encounter more matter that could be converted to energy and used as fuel, alongside the solar radiation, background radiation, etc etc, assuming all that matter and energy could be sucked up and utilized for thrust, is it then possible to achieve light speed?
08:43 Cprossu e=mc^2 is actually the less useful of it's forms but it's simple and you can get anywhere from it.
08:43 Cprossu 1) it's finite.
08:43 pegasus and 2) if F=ma, and F=(q1*q2)/d, what happens when d = 0?
08:44 pegasus "it's finite" is an assumption, one which i specifically disqualified :)
08:44 pegasus brb
08:44 Cprossu I've figured the fact that it's infinite must be an assumption too.
08:45 Cprossu at any given point in time it's finite is what I came to.
08:45 Cprossu therefore it cannot be truely infinite.
08:46 Cprossu if we agree that the universe is *expanding* and it started from one point then we are forced to the definition that it's finite at any given time.
08:49 Cprossu as for the second thought, if we take the columb force equation F= (k)(q1)(q2)/(d^2) and set d to the smallest possible number then we get a radically large force, so F would approach inf as d gets closer to 0, no?
08:52 Cprossu granted this is for all charges > 0
08:52 Cprossu >0<
08:53 pegasus the second one is a trick question, actually, disregarding the (in my opinion, philosophical) concept that the denominator can never actually be zero
08:54 pegasus distance between two particles can't be zero outside of a bose-einstein condensate, in which case, there is no charge
08:54 Cprossu yeah but still .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is pretty damn close to zero which is what you were getting at
08:55 pegasus the answer to the first one is also a trick, technically. the answer is that yes, you could reach light speed, but it would take forever.
08:56 Cprossu although there is some thought that you could exceed light speed in a very roundabout way without 'reaching it' or every being under it
08:56 pegasus K-PAX
08:56 Cprossu *every=ever
08:56 pegasus catching a wave of tachyons and surfing it to your destination at speeds greater than c
08:57 pegasus by the way, there's no reason to assume that this observable universe is the only observable universe in this dimension
08:57 Cprossu as they say, yeah right.
08:57 Cprossu *for the least comment not the second
08:57 pegasus there could be an infinite number of big bangs in this very moment, just way too far apart to interact
08:57 Cprossu or other interesting phenomina
08:58 pegasus that's where the definition of "universe" comes into play
08:58 Cprossu yeah and I am still in the 'finite' world of it
08:58 Cprossu even if we can't define it
08:58 pegasus this observable universe is finite, i agree
08:59 pegasus but the universe doesn't have to be limited to this observable universe
08:59 pegasus a question you might actually want to throw a physics professor, if you're still in school
08:59 pegasus a photon has rest mass, but travels at the speed of light
09:00 pegasus by the principle of relativistic mass, any object with nonzero mass should approach infinite mass as it approaches the speed of light
09:00 pegasus so why are we not consantly obliterated by photons
09:00 Cprossu the only throwing I do of questions at physics professors is on the phone occasionally
09:00 Cprossu well the answer of course is we are pegasus
09:00 Cprossu hahah hahah ahh ah ah ha
09:01 pegasus that question right there is the main thing that makes me think either einstein was wrong, or photons don't have a rest mass
09:01 pegasus but even if they don't have a rest mass, infinity * zero = undefined
09:02 pegasus so there's no way a solar sail would work
09:02 pegasus but they do, so...
09:02 Cprossu it's because they have mass.
09:02 Cprossu just like neutrinos.
09:02 pegasus then the limit of einstein must actually be just above the speed of light
09:02 Cprossu the state of the mass though.
09:02 Cprossu is the key
09:03 Cprossu in a vacuum at least.
09:03 Cprossu light doesn't travel the same speed through everything
09:03 Cprossu or nearly anything
09:03 pegasus yes, that's why lenses work
09:03 Cprossu also why reactors cores glow blue.
09:04 pegasus photons are interesting physics problems.
09:04 Cprossu so are neutrinos.
09:04 pegasus what's your opinion on dark matter?
09:05 Cprossu and so many are passing through you at this very moment in time it's a mess
09:05 Cprossu on dark matter, it's something we invented as a concept because we cannot come to a formulation that empty space could truely exist.
09:06 pegasus not my understanding of its origins
09:06 Cprossu a much more complicated theory will follow to take it's place
09:06 Cprossu followed by a simplified one
09:06 pegasus my understanding of its origins has to do with orbital velocity of galaxies
09:06 pegasus the curve is wrong
09:07 Cprossu I thought it had to due with the gravitational lensing creating dark areas that appeared empty
09:07 pegasus there's some wormhole nonsense that i heard about once upon a time like that
09:07 Cprossu then again I am also a believer of the 'dormant super massive black hole' theory
09:07 Cprossu that's at the center of every galaxy
09:08 Cprossu or at least our own
09:08 pegasus yes, i agree with that one, but it still doesn't explain the velocity curves of bodies orbiting a galactic center
09:08 Cprossu well nothing explains really why stuff exists anyway
09:08 pegasus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
09:09 Cprossu well does that curve factor in relative time shifting?
09:09 pegasus that's my thought on it
09:09 Cprossu large distances do that
09:09 pegasus gravity behaves as a wave, objects drag other objects
09:09 Cprossu I mean when you start talking objects lightyears in size...
09:09 pegasus the effect is cumulative
09:10 Cprossu I mean if I took a whirpool and started freezing layers successivly in the same form that time condenses
09:10 Cprossu it would look very weird
09:16 pegasus wikipedia provides interesting reading when bored.
09:16 pegasus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolved_problems_in_physics
09:16 Cprossu so.
09:16 Cprossu what does the time curve look like on something lightyears enough to be a galaxy wide?
09:20 pegasus not sure i understand the question
09:21 Cprossu ok things that could make the curve weird,
09:21 Cprossu 1) our relativistic look at 'a galaxy'
09:21 Cprossu 2) how close is the light time wise from one end of the galaxy to the other from our plane of view
09:22 Cprossu 3) what light are we looking at anyway to 'see' the galaxy
09:22 pegasus 4) wormholes
09:22 Cprossu light from one side won't be instantaniously at the same time as another
09:22 Cprossu we don't even have to factor in wormholes to make a shitty looking curve
09:23 pegasus no, but there's a theory that our entire perception of the universe is just plain broken because space is chock-full of wormholes and we don't even see the real universe
09:24 Cprossu sounds like a easy way out of the truth to me
09:24 Cprossu so regarding gravity, what is your thought on it?
09:24 pegasus the result of the theory is that all of astrophysics is suspect, and only observable terrestrial phenomena are trustworthy as empirical data for theoretical physics
09:24 Cprossu being the laughable force that it is
09:25 Cprossu (again speaking of nearly zeros here)
09:26 pegasus i think dark matter is a silly idea that came about because someone forgot to plug in things like frame dragging and gravity behaving as a wave and to account for each celestial body in a galaxy having a gravitational impact on everything else
09:26 Cprossu the question for me is why does gravity have that impact on everything else, what enables it to?\
09:26 pegasus i think if you account for everything we know about physics, the answer to galactic behavior should fall into place just fine without magical dark matter
09:27 Cprossu and I see that too
09:28 pegasus but then i'm no physicist
09:28 Cprossu (why do you think 3 eyed monkey poo is 'dark matter' in the futurama animated series?)
09:28 Cprossu (there's a good reason)
09:34 Cprossu well I am out for the night pegasus
09:34 Cprossu we'll have to contemplate how many dirt layers the human race will last later
09:35 pegasus heh
09:36 Cprossu ask any good geologist how much time we'll be around and if he's good he'll either start laughing or give you a funny smirk.
09:39 pegasus geologists think in timescales that normal people don't.
09:40 Cprossu and it's quite humbling I may add
09:40 Cprossu one of the reasons I am so fucked up is my father loved geology
09:42 Cprossu humans went from being the center of the universe, to the center of a dust spec, to the center of a few atoms of dirt on that spec
09:43 Cprossu truely hillarious.
09:44 pegasus in the scope of all time and space and all the dimensions of the multiverse we pretty much don't matter at all.
09:45 Cprossu not to the slightest degree
09:47 Cprossu just like of course there is/was/will be other 'life' in the universe, but we shouldn't care about it anyway as the travel distances are so mind numbingly impossible and improbable even with the bending/warping/manipulation of space that people who worry about it frighten me
09:47 Cprossu and our definition of 'life' is vague as hell
09:48 pegasus i don't think life is as sparse as all that
09:48 pegasus intelligent life, maybe
09:48 Cprossu life isn't sparse at all
09:49 Cprossu at least again on a geologic scale
09:49 Cprossu on a local can-reach-it-before-humans-can't-survive-anymore-scale yes though, no life.
09:49 pegasus yeah, i don't think life is even that sparse
09:50 Cprossu technically all you need is the right chemicals
09:50 Cprossu and temperature conditions for those to work
09:50 pegasus and they exist in great quantity in multiple places in our star system
09:50 Cprossu lots of different chemicals can form things that are 'live'
09:50 Cprossu like life on mars? duh of course.
09:51 pegasus the moon, mars, europa, triton, etc
09:51 pegasus possibly even subterranean on venus
09:51 Cprossu but I am talking intelligent life for us being 'worried' about it lol
09:51 Cprossu mercury even has some hope
09:51 pegasus i would say mars is fairly unlikely
09:51 pegasus er, mercury
09:51 pegasus but intelligent life, like i said, maybe not off this planet
09:52 Cprossu well we do have sulphur and acidic lifeforms here on earth
09:52 Cprossu so I don't discount anything
09:52 pegasus some ape and monkey species are pretty bright, dolphins and whales, dogs, horses, pigs, lots of animals on this planet are clever, arguably humans being the most clever
09:53 Cprossu I'd say that even if we are 'clever' we're inefficient at being clever
09:53 Cprossu all I have to do is look at my parrots to know that
09:53 pegasus i figure microbial life is probably pretty common, multi-cellular life is probably rarer, and life clever enough for the average person to care is likely too far away for it to matter
09:54 Cprossu yeah.
09:54 Cprossu multicelular is a mutation
09:54 pegasus but you never know, we might figure out how to make a wormhole whereever we like tomorrow
09:54 pegasus we're clever, after all
09:54 Cprossu of what happened when a bacteria ate too many other bacteria to the point the bacteria eaten morphed into structures creating weird ass cells
09:55 Cprossu I really don't think we're that clever, more like we're good at doing stupid things
09:55 pegasus it has a lot to do with mitochondria, actually
09:55 pegasus brb
09:55 Cprossu well I am going to try and go to sleep again seeing it's 3AM here and god knows what where you live
09:56 pegasus 6am
09:57 Cprossu morning to you! sleep time
10:08 Seroster^Away **************************************************'
10:09 Seroster My stupid inbred narcissistic nazistic rasistic homophobic and generally fucking idiotic class drives me fucking crazy.
10:10 Seroster It would be great to take them out fishing, tie them to a big fucking rock and throw it in the ocean.
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12:22 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789c4egUtIY&amp;NR=1 IRL lol!
12:22 Seroster "Didnt work, eh? =D"
12:24 Seroster It's hillarious on the same level as the dude who died due to an allergic reaction to the pandemrix vaccine (swine flu)
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12:43 angy Hi there!
12:44 tlockley hey angy
12:44 angy do you know a good WSDL editor for MacOS?
12:45 tlockley no, i have never really worked with WSDL
12:45 tlockley but isnt it XML based?
12:45 angy yep
12:45 angy but I always forgot the syntax :(
12:47 tlockley Have you tried eclipse? I know it is slow as hell but it might have a plugin for you
12:47 angy I'm going to give it a try
12:48 tlockley or make your own snippet bundle for textmate
12:48 angy :)
12:48 tlockley because textmate is a great editor for OS X
12:50 angy that's right
12:51 angy I use also textwrangler a lot, depending on what I do
12:51 tlockley never really used textwrangler
12:51 tlockley i thought it was depricated
12:51 tlockley or was that bbedit
12:52 angy one of them is, but I don't really remember which one
12:52 tlockley eh. whatever
12:54 angy exactly, text editor is really a personal choice ;)
12:54 angy like: http://xkcd.com/378/
12:59 * angy needs another coffe
12:59 angy not even 9am yet!
13:05 tlockley i do likke that one
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13:11 producerbill ugg was up way to late last night
13:19 angy Ok, I found something for eclipse to write wsdl
13:19 angy slow as hell, but better than vim
13:25 angy aaaand git repo for bossy is now open
13:25 angy http://dv.komput.net/gitweb/
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13:52 tlockley angy: who is working on bocsy?
13:52 angy Jeff, Moose, jkl & me currently
13:53 tlockley cool.
13:53 angy and now, you can read my hicky code on gitweb :)
13:53 tlockley :D
13:53 angy I know my php is very... weird
13:54 tlockley as long as you follow the same style convention for all of them and it is readable i dont care
13:54 angy I code it like I code C, mainly djb style
13:55 tlockley djb?
13:55 angy dan bernstein
13:55 angy (qmail, djbdns...)
13:55 tlockley ok
13:56 tlockley its just my biggest pet pieve with code is people who dont follow a style and thus make unreadable code
13:57 angy :)
13:57 tlockley which is why i think everyone should lear python if only for the style conventions
13:57 angy I tried python, but could use it
13:58 angy I think I use PERL so such a long time that I can't really switch to python
13:58 tlockley couldnt?
13:58 angy yes, couldn't
13:58 angy even my english is bad today...
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13:59 tlockley eh whatever
13:59 tlockley i am dealing with like 900ms lag on ssh right now
13:59 angy that is huge
13:59 tlockley cell phone ftl
13:59 angy I'm ~100ms
14:00 angy but I need to cross the atlantic ocean to get to the server
14:00 tlockley thats not too bad
14:00 tlockley i am currently typing faster than the screen refresh
14:00 angy hahaha
14:00 angy that's quite a performance on a phone
14:01 tlockley well phone tethering
14:01 tlockley i have screen running on a remote machine as a bouncer kind of thing
14:02 angy my bouncing machine crashed 2-3 days ago, and I don't have anyone to go to the datacenter to reboot it
14:02 angy in fact, I think more PSU failure
14:02 tlockley ouch
14:02 tlockley mine is just a VPS ATM
14:02 angy :)
14:02 angy my main MX is down, and the fourth DNS as well
14:03 tlockley that sucks
14:03 tlockley what is your day job?
14:03 angy currently hunting for a job :)
14:03 tlockley lol me too
14:04 angy before that it was COO for an anti spam/security small business
14:04 tlockley europe or US?
14:04 angy either is fine
14:04 tlockley i men where are you noe?
14:04 tlockley *now
14:04 angy Canada, Quebec
14:05 angy I may start a new PhD quite soon, so I'm mainly searching for like a 1-year contract
14:05 angy if I can find close to GRR, that will be great
14:05 tlockley cool. I am still stuck at home
14:05 angy :)
14:06 tlockley i hate working on nantucket there is nothing new here
14:06 angy I've no real home for now
14:06 angy I really love Cape Cod when I was there
14:07 tlockley but that is just visiting
14:07 angy that's right
14:07 angy when it's living, it's... not that fun anymore
14:08 tlockley exactly, everyone has the same crappy shit that keeps getting band-aid ed
14:09 tlockley and no one listens to reason
14:09 yNos|sleepin hiya all
14:10 angy hi yNos
14:10 tlockley hey yNos
14:10 angy I so hate internet at my office...
14:10 yNos do you need a telnetable power strip?
14:11 yNos internet at your office? do like i do and setup ssh tunnels.. unless it is a speed issue at the office.
14:11 angy office is 10G, but there are limitation on each TCP stream
14:11 angy that sucks
14:11 angy (gov office)
14:12 angy and peering is great with other research networks, but really crap for the general internet
14:13 angy like 4 seconds to load google homepage
14:13 tlockley ouch
14:13 tonsofpcs yNos: telnetable power strip? where
14:13 tonsofpcs ?
14:15 angy don't IRC when you drive!
14:17 angy ok, I have to find a vpn of some sort
14:19 tonsofpcs "ssh tunnel"
14:19 angy got an how to? don't want to search it :)
14:19 yNos tonsofpcs: i am looking onw up for you
14:19 tonsofpcs yNos: oh, I have four, I thought you had one
14:20 tonsofpcs we have these: http://www.burk.com/Products/AC8.aspx
14:20 yNos not here, but we have 3 in each rack at work
14:21 tonsofpcs http://www.broadcasttools.com/view_product.php?pid=196 are interesting.  (the non-plus doesn't have closures/relays, just IP)
14:21 yNos http://www.amazon.com/IP-Power-4-Outlet-Network-Controller/dp/B001E03KRU/ref=pd_cp_e_2
14:21 yNos some cheapies
14:22 tonsofpcs you trust cheapies in critical environments?
14:22 tonsofpcs http://www.broadcasttools.com/view_product.php?pid=188
14:23 yNos not in a critical environment, but for home use, or for a personal machine/network.
14:23 tonsofpcs http://www.henryeng.com/powerswi.html is interesting.
14:23 tonsofpcs home use: keep everything on a UPS, don't shut it down. (hey, they only thing worth rebooting is the ssh server... and if the ssh server is down?
14:25 tonsofpcs my home system isn't critical enough for me to take the time and effort to set up a vpn in my routerwall
14:29 yNos my router VPNs to my mom, dad, grandma, aunts and occasionally.. my sister's houses.
14:30 yNos mainly for troubleshooting..
14:30 yNos i got sick of the "Hey, can you drive 3 hours to setup my printer" questions
14:31 yNos or "i have just XYZ app and now i have popups"
14:31 SparkyProjects Isn't Teamviewer a better option ?
14:31 SparkyProjects I used to VPN into my last place of work (government), it would have been quicker to drive there :P
14:31 SparkyProjects Had a 'key' as part of the access protocol
14:33 yNos i could use team viewer, but my last job was making VPN/VoIP/Firewall/AP devices.. so i just used what i had on hand.
14:33 angy before the network upgrade here, we had to connect a vpn from *inside* to access the ressources
14:33 SparkyProjects http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1156 <--- this was the key
14:33 Sgt_Lemming was funny the other night when lwq posted the teamviewer Id and pass in chan
14:33 SparkyProjects OOps :D
14:34 yNos and teamviewer doesnt work very well when the default route is hosed.. this way i can setup an ssh tunnel into the machine and make it appear that i am local.
14:34 Sgt_Lemming yeah, he's like "you don't know what it is!"
14:34 Sgt_Lemming "teamviewer ID"
14:34 Sgt_Lemming "F***"
14:35 yNos SparkyProjects: i have a fob like that as well.. to get into the current employer's network.
14:35 yNos there are better ways to do 2 factor.
14:35 yNos imho
14:35 yNos standards based setups.
14:35 angy sure, that particular one is... not secure :)
14:35 yNos nope
14:35 SparkyProjects Yeah, but my job was government controlled, so we had to follow their protocol
14:36 angy they may have update the thing since last time, but it's definitely not good for a 2-way
14:36 Sgt_Lemming teamviewer id is a good idea, but it doesn't change per machine
14:36 yNos they likely used either cisco or MS ISA with the RSA backend.
14:37 angy does ISA still exists?
14:37 Sgt_Lemming sorry, per session, not per machine
14:37 Sgt_Lemming it's a per machine ID, but it doesn't change unless you reinstall the OS
14:38 yNos yup, the newer version of ISA is better than the older version.. but they still suck. they dont use IPSEC by default - and they dont use PPTP either.. their own proto.
14:38 SparkyProjects All i know is that it was a complicated process, i had a work machine at home, and even then there were about 3 stages of logging in, not just username and key
14:38 SparkyProjects And once i was in the intranet i had to log in to that machine
14:38 angy like usual, microsoft got a protocol for everything
14:39 angy they got their IMAP for exchange as well...
14:39 yNos Exchange is largely IMAP
14:39 yNos their cal standard is a PITA
14:39 angy yep, but it uses weird commands
14:40 angy I never could use the echange 2k on my laptop with other than Entourage
14:40 yNos it does very well for what it is though.. i wish there was an equal open source cal app that would integrate with exchange calendars/calendar sharing.
14:40 yNos if anyone knows of one, lmk
14:41 angy there was something for thunderbird a while ago
14:41 angy I don't know it they committed the code into -current
14:41 angy but it's been ages since I use exchange :)
14:42 yNos lightning.. or thunder.. or something like that
14:43 yNos it didnt do cal sharing.
14:43 angy we moved to Zimbra here
14:43 yNos you could invite people and work with your own cal, but sharings was not implemented.
14:44 yNos MS has a strong foothold in my company.
14:44 angy here it's weird
14:45 angy once part is all microsoft, the other is all against microsoft
14:45 angy so there are really fun discussion every now and then
14:45 yNos google cal does a good job at sharing, but it is still not a very intuitive interface for non-google people.
14:45 angy our time managing system runs on windows, but we go linux workstations
14:46 angy so we have to move to a somehow shared workspace to have access to windows to use the time management
14:47 yNos time management? like.. "We dont know what you are doing and as mgmt, we dont want to spend the time to actually look at what our employees are doing. So, to add a small workload to them we will force them to document every working 1/4 hour chunk of time in this wonderfull interface so we can see how effectively we are using you"
14:48 angy and don't forget, we track you when you login/logout and cross doors
14:49 angy I don't care anymore, I'll be gone in a few weeks
14:49 yNos that only partially works for us.. many IT people are "Mobile Workers" a nice phrase meaning "we are going to take your desk away and pun in a shitload of couches, chairs and coffee tables so we can shoehorn more people in a given area."
14:50 angy :)
14:50 angy burn you lap with your laptop, that's not covered in the health plan!
14:51 yNos over heat your testes, making you sterile. not covered.
14:51 angy in fact, nothing is covered except being blasted by an asteroid when a total solar eclipse occurs
14:51 angy and if it's not in the first half of the month
14:55 yNos Here is a fun paper.. http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/2006/P2678.pdf
14:57 yNos i want to post it up on the neman perpetual motionmotor thread.
14:59 yNos done.
15:04 angy how the hell does wordpress handle its login... it's insanely obscure code
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15:15 yNos Hey there
15:18 ajprog_laptop hi yNos
15:20 yNos how are things there today?
15:24 angy hi ajprog_laptop
15:25 ajprog_laptop hi angy
15:26 * dr_jkl crawls out of bed and into the kitchen to make coffee
15:27 Sgt_Lemming yNos http://www.archive.org/stream/2011-cdc-disk-archaeology-fenton/summer_2011_final_small#page/n0/mode/1up <--- recovering the HDD from a Cray-1
15:27 ajprog_laptop angy here is a plugin that you can reference for the third party login stuff http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/simple-ldap-login/
15:27 angy dr_jkl: can I have a cup?
15:27 angy thanks ajprog_laptop
15:27 dr_jkl angy: depends. do you mind a bit of baileys irish cream in it?
15:28 angy I'm already infusing in alcohol, go ahead
15:28 dr_jkl awesome!
15:28 * dr_jkl pours you a cup in an 'i love C#' cup
15:28 angy you *know* I only love C!
15:29 angy great! the SOAP handler works great, now debugging mag stripe handling
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15:35 angy damn! I really need to be more careful when debugging
15:36 astro73|derrial Cprossu: what I think happened was that the op k-lined my entire gateway. I saw a mention of it on twitter, too.
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15:44 dr_jkl mierda, i'm tired
15:44 dr_jkl FEEL OLD. http://xkcd.com/891/
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15:50 tonsofpcs ?
15:52 astro73|derrial Sgt_Lemming: that's pretty cool
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15:53 maglinvinnwork hey all
15:53 yNos hey man
15:53 astro73|derrial hey
15:55 yNos how are things out east today?
15:55 dr_jkl oh. goddess.
15:55 dr_jkl seriously so tired.
15:55 dr_jkl it should be illegal to be up this early.
15:57 tlockley whtats the local time
15:57 dr_jkl 1157.
15:57 tlockley thats not that early i get up at 7AM every day
15:58 dr_jkl o.o
15:58 dr_jkl it is more accurate to say
15:58 astro73|derrial my first class is 10:45
15:58 dr_jkl it is not early 'to you'
15:58 tlockley true
15:58 dr_jkl i'm a second-shifter, i work from 3p to midnight
15:58 dr_jkl trust me- this is early. :P
15:58 tlockley ok, so 11 is early  for you
15:58 astro73|derrial agreed
15:58 dr_jkl yes!
15:58 dr_jkl very!
15:59 maglinvinnwork pretty good ynos.  workin, life is good i suppose
15:59 maglinvinnwork heh
15:59 dr_jkl (#%#@ lawn people woke me up at 10
15:59 tlockley sound proof the bedroom
16:00 angy if you want, we can gtry to nuke them
16:01 SparkyProjects tlockley, latest captains blog is your recent package
16:02 tlockley yay
16:03 tlockley i need to like have my phone alert me for every new vid
16:04 tlockley chris is infuriated by bubblewrap
16:04 tlockley lol
16:04 astro73|derrial tlockley: subscribe by email, forward email to your phone?
16:05 angy and login handler for bossy is nearly done :)
16:05 Electronics on youtube there is an option somewhere to have it alert you by phone for subscriptions
16:07 SparkyProjects He's more infuriated by bubblewrap that doesn't pop
16:08 tlockley me too
16:08 tlockley its so fun
16:09 tlockley i hide them under rugs to make ppl jump
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16:11 wannabe-zz .
16:11 wannabe1987 much better
16:11 angy Hi wannabe1987
16:11 wannabe1987 hi angy
16:13 astro73|derrial "sharing toys with all the bad girls and boys"
16:13 wannabe1987 hi astro73|derrial
16:13 astro73|derrial hi wannabe1987
16:14 wannabe1987 how are you?
16:15 maglinvinnwork thats it.  i'm destroying my shift keys.
16:15 maglinvinnwork this keyboard is borked.
16:15 maglinvinnwork ;o]hQ
16:15 wannabe1987 lol why?
16:16 maglinvinnwork that, plus a ;o]hQ whole bunch of windows ,b1.0p.
16:16 maglinvinnwork mZcrap
16:16 astro73|derrial ... why do mac servers have a danger button?
16:16 maglinvinnwork b1.0p.
16:16 wannabe1987 so they don't explode?
16:16 * maglinvinnwork rage
16:16 maglinvinnwork lol.  yeah.   just gonna remove those keys from my keyboardQ
16:17 maglinvinnwork there.  no more accidentlally hitting those boreked peices of crap
16:17 maglinvinnwork but now i have no shift keys.
16:17 * maglinvinnwork crais
16:17 wannabe1987 use caps lock?
16:17 wannabe1987 Itd be annoying....
16:20 astro73|derrial oh, it's the "System Identifier" button
16:21 astro73|derrial http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26930?viewlocale=en_US
16:21 wannabe1987 maglinvinnwork tiem for a new keyboard....
16:21 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinnwork https://picasaweb.google.com/115277388924201849210/BorkedElectronics <--- some of those will make you cry
16:21 wannabe1987 tgg has a few "spares"
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16:23 producerbill so tired
16:23 wannabe1987 sleep more?
16:23 wannabe1987 i got 8 hours :P
16:25 Sgt_Lemming hmm, think I have some 15A Australian IEC cords around
16:26 Sgt_Lemming with 15A australian plug, and IEC 15A connectors
16:26 yNos Sgt_Lemming: what happened to those arduinos?
16:27 yNos one looks like water..
16:27 Sgt_Lemming got left in muddy rain water... for a week
16:27 yNos oh
16:27 angy ajprog_laptop & dr_jkl I just committed the first part of the boscy soap in a very few I'm going to try writing the wordpress thing
16:27 yNos so that isnt a melted connector on the left side of #1
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16:28 Sgt_Lemming the dc conector?
16:28 Sgt_Lemming https://picasaweb.google.com/115277388924201849210/BorkedElectronics#5649595653256834898 <--- top left of that pic?
16:28 yNos that and the SIP rail on the left.
16:29 Sgt_Lemming nope, just corrosion/gunk
16:29 yNos yum
16:29 Sgt_Lemming they were powered up for a day or two from what I know
16:29 Sgt_Lemming the PSU was thankfully higher than the place where that arduino was mounted, as it was a touch more expensive
16:30 Sgt_Lemming not to mention a pain to make
16:32 maglinvinnwork why did you leave it in the rain
16:32 maglinvinnwork lol.
16:33 maglinvinnwork were they under power while being 'mud tested'
16:33 Sgt_Lemming no, they were part of a sculpture we got contracted to do the electronics on
16:34 Sgt_Lemming the DAY we installed it, we started about a week of heavy HEAVY rain
16:34 wannabe1987 sculpture?
16:34 Sgt_Lemming the base of the sculpture flooded, and one of the electronics modules fell into it
16:35 Sgt_Lemming it was a week after it fell in before we were allowed near it to fix it
16:35 maglinvinnwork oh.  i see.  was the project recovered at least\\
16:35 Sgt_Lemming yeah
16:35 Sgt_Lemming it ran for three months
16:35 wannabe1987 why does a sculpture need electronics, Sgt_Lemming?
16:35 maglinvinnwork wnice.
16:35 Sgt_Lemming it was interactive wannabe1987
16:35 maglinvinnwork wannabe, two words.  burning bman
16:35 wannabe1987 i like Sgt_Lemming's answer better, cuz i dont understand yours, eakin
16:36 astro73|derrial bbl, class
16:36 wannabe1987 oooo have fun!
16:37 maglinvinnwork you don't know burning man...  you need to google that
16:37 maglinvinnwork lol.
16:37 maglinvinnwork its one of the biggest and craziest tinker and rave parties of hthe entire world
16:37 yNos is burning man still clothing optional?
16:38 maglinvinnwork i know the guys who did the fmlame globe... it use arduinos fto fire lp valves and ignition circuits to create a random fire show
16:38 maglinvinnwork at burning man everything is opetional, including sanity
16:38 wannabe1987 sanity?  whats that?
16:38 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinnwork, ever seen "Infernoptix"?
16:39 Sgt_Lemming considered doing something similar with an arduino mega
16:41 wannabe1987 http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299517_10150363139142152_585642151_9845467_1295418346_n.jpg friends computer went into a coma o.O
16:47 wannabe1987 i killed it.o.o
16:47 yNos yup
16:47 yNos you did
16:47 yNos all yer fault
16:48 * wannabe1987 takes responsibility for the death
16:48 * yNos gets out the paddle(s)
16:48 yNos assume the position
16:48 wannabe1987 CLEAR!
16:48 yNos erm..
16:49 wannabe1987 lol
16:50 astro73|derrial wannabe1987: that's a new and different error
16:50 wannabe1987 thats what i thought....
16:52 astro73|derrial usually it gives more details
16:52 wannabe1987 i dunno.  not my error
16:52 astro73|derrial actually, "can't find OS" is pretty normal
16:52 astro73|derrial could be the OS drive failed, or bad MBR, or even just nothing installed
16:53 wannabe1987 he'll figure it out, he does IT at some company in texas
16:58 maglinvinnwork i can't say i've seen that sgt
17:03 Sgt_Lemming basically a display with lines of valves all hooked to a propane supply, and a very small pilot burner in front of each one
17:03 Sgt_Lemming .y infernoptix
17:03 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrB8SqGbJLA
17:05 maglinvinnwork yup
17:05 maglinvinnwork kinda like that
17:05 maglinvinnwork haha
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17:18 angy I'm off, need to go back home :)
17:19 wannabe1987 ok
17:22 maglinvinnwork hey tggmc is there  a feed live now
17:30 Cprossu oddly enough the master control computer is down
17:31 Cprossu I think they had a power outage.
17:31 Cprossu approximetely 15 minutes ago
17:31 wannabe1987 o.O
17:31 maglinvinnwork ah got it
17:31 wannabe1987 why would they have a power outage?
17:32 Cprossu or someone bumped a cable
17:32 wannabe1987 that'd be morel ike it...its sunny out
17:33 Cprossu sunny can cause outages just as good as stormy
17:34 yNos I hope we get power in the new network infrastructure closet soon...
17:35 yNos i really want to get the network shit switched over soon.
17:35 Cprossu no kidding. how goes that project btw
17:35 Cprossu oh and I neglected to tell you, ditch that IBM desktop you have downstairs, I think there could be a fault in it's power supply
17:36 yNos once dave and batman/whoever finish the power in the tool room, we will have 2 20 amp drops on seperate phases.
17:36 Cprossu because sometimes it just refuses to turn on
17:36 yNos oh, that thing is gone.
17:36 Cprossu yay
17:36 yNos its good'n gone
17:39 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: I redid some of the network wiring
17:39 Seroster Time for High Voltage and water! YAY!
17:39 Cprossu yay ajprog_laptop
17:39 Cprossu because that was a disaster
17:39 Cprossu ajprog_laptop any reason why the master control computer is down?
17:40 ajprog_laptop yep, I move the connects to the switch on the rack
17:40 Cprossu are you sure you plugged the right things in the right places?
17:40 yNos he moved stuff over to the cisco, right places dont really matter atm
17:41 yNos nothing is labeled yet.
17:41 Cprossu the card that has the 10b2 stuff on it should be plugged into the internet containing netowrk
17:41 Seroster Yaay
17:41 yNos ew.
17:41 Cprossu the onboard on the jupiter server should be connected to the 10b2 hub
17:41 yNos yeah
17:41 yNos forgot about the 10bt
17:41 yNos sorry.. 10b2
17:42 Cprossu either way due to circumstances out of my control
17:42 Cprossu the gb onboard must be connected to that 10b2 hub
17:42 ajprog_laptop unfornately the cable to mc doesn't like that switch so I had to patch it through the small switch
17:42 Cprossu and the 10bt/10b2 combo card to the network
17:42 Cprossu WAIT
17:42 Cprossu WHAT?!
17:42 Cprossu the MC NET CANNOT EVER EVER EVER touch anything else
17:43 Cprossu it has to be a seperate and completely isolated thing
17:43 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: no, I just rewired the switch in the corner
17:43 Cprossu as it used bootP
17:43 Cprossu oooh so why is the mc computer down then?
17:43 Cprossu the stream computer is online
17:43 Cprossu the master control computer is not
17:44 ajprog_laptop why do you say it is down?
17:44 Cprossu because I can't see it on teamviewer
17:44 wannabe1987 tggmc is online, is that not the master controlcomputer?
17:44 Cprossu nope
17:44 wannabe1987 ah
17:45 ajprog_laptop I am not sure which on is the mc computer
17:45 Cprossu tggmc is a irc/internet computer (IBM tower) stream computer is one I built up (quad core rackmount), and the master control server/computer is the thinkcentre
17:45 Cprossu should be on top of the saturn router
17:45 ajprog_laptop I probably didn't check it, once I connect the network back up
17:46 Cprossu should be #2 on the belkin kvm
17:46 ajprog_laptop is that on the same monitor as the streaming computer
17:46 Cprossu yes
17:46 Cprossu hold down scroll lock until beep, press 2
17:46 Cprossu I was working on a config file when it went down
17:47 ajprog_laptop ok, I didn't check that. but chris is putting the stream on standby until the computer lab is finished
17:47 Cprossu o_O well whatever lol
17:47 Cprossu I still would like to know what happened to the jupiter server when you can
17:47 yNos cprossu, can you remote into it at all?
17:48 Cprossu I am remoted into the stream computer
17:48 yNos can you get into the mc network?
17:48 yNos or is that isolated?
17:49 Cprossu the mc net is isolated but the jupiter server shouldn't be
17:51 yNos can you ping it?
17:51 Cprossu looking for it's ip now
17:51 yNos Ok
17:51 yNos If you have network documentation, that would be badass.
17:51 yNos on.. like.. google docs or something easy to share.
17:53 Cprossu problem is everything is dynamic because of the temporary nature of the work we were doing
17:53 Cprossu so I can ping it at least
17:54 Cprossu perhaps it needs a kick in the pants
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17:55 wannabe1987 lol yes!  kick it in its "pants" (computers don't have pants)
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18:13 Cprossu yNos you have a gmail acct?
18:13 Cprossu pm it to me
18:15 yNos http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NJbf73xcTvY/TIRRaTbCBSI/AAAAAAACAc4/tkujVTU8CRU/s320/men_women_buy_pants_diagram.jpg
18:15 yNos lorf
18:17 wannabe1987 thats because womens sizes vary from store to store and jean buying SUCKS
18:17 yNos http://www.healthytimesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Color-Men-vs-Women.jpg
18:18 wannabe1987 that reminds me, i have eggplant to use up :P
18:18 yNos ^only some reds and greens look the same to me..
18:18 yNos sounds like time to make an eggplant parm
18:19 wannabe1987 i've been told thats hard to make done right....
18:19 yNos not really
18:19 yNos if you fry it and batter it first ;)
18:19 yNos but that is just me being lazy
18:19 wannabe1987 i'm also cooking for a semi-gluten free friend (she's ignoring her allergy :P)
18:20 Cprossu yNos that's what I recall in the pm.
18:20 Cprossu plus some new stuff
18:21 yNos yup.. wll have to do some ping scans and make a new list.
18:21 Cprossu every wireless I setup has it's information label printed to it
18:21 yNos cool
18:22 Cprossu sothere should be 3 wrt54gl's and one ...cisco linksys 3000 thing
18:22 Cprossu that was in the girlgeeks studio (first racketball court)
18:22 yNos i have one here at home that i am going to mess with to see what all it can do
18:22 yNos the dd-wrt
18:22 yNos thingamajoob
18:24 Cprossu technically it's all relative anyway and is in fact a rather small spectrum of light to be complaining about.
18:25 Cprossu dd-wrt can do a lot of interestingly weird crap
18:25 Cprossu they are in a client bridge mode/forwarding configuration as it stands
18:28 Cprossu let me give you owner yNos
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18:30 angy finally! back home!
18:31 angy and I even got timbits on the road :)
18:32 wannabe1987 ...
18:33 wannabe1987 tims bits?!
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18:33 angy it's a timhorton thing :)
18:33 wannabe1987 i would guess so
18:33 wannabe1987 theres one at teh casino 1/2 hour awayish
18:34 wannabe1987 hi tlockley-web
18:34 tlockley-web hey wannabe1987
18:34 tlockley-web whats good today?
18:34 wannabe1987 http://www.howsweeteats.com/2011/09/peanut-butter-fudge-brownie-trifle/  this
18:34 angy wb tlockley-web
18:34 tlockley-web hey angy
18:35 tlockley-web good lord that looks tasty
18:35 wannabe1987 i just found out i can't do peanut butter here....
18:35 wannabe1987 i knew she's allergic to peanuts but i forgot
18:36 wannabe1987 so so so so i'd have to make that at moms house
18:36 wannabe1987 :(
18:36 wannabe1987 and eat it there
18:36 tlockley-web bummer
18:36 wannabe1987 i asked if i could bring pb into the house and she prefers not
18:36 wannabe1987 so!
18:36 wannabe1987 no pb pie.  no pb ice cream
18:37 tlockley-web please dont say no reese's
18:38 wannabe1987 for her.  not for me.  my ice cream is moose traxx it has pb cups
18:38 wannabe1987 she can't even have pb m&ms o.O
18:38 yNos wtf is tim hortons?
18:38 wannabe1987 coffee
18:38 tlockley-web ouch
18:39 wannabe1987 breakfast, actually
18:39 wannabe1987 i think
18:39 yNos like starbucks, but less MSG i hope?
18:39 wannabe1987 http://thegreatbalancingact.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/img_0927.jpg?w=555&amp;h=414  best surprise ever....reaching for socks and get cat
18:40 tlockley-web grrrrr gotta restart
18:40 tlockley-web brb
18:41 astro73|derrial oh god, am I going to be this rambly after every social problems class?
18:41 wannabe1987 rambly?
18:41 wannabe1987 and whats a social problems class?
18:42 astro73|derrial it's sociology, focusing on social problems
18:42 wannabe1987 interesting
18:42 yNos we should go study the alcohol problem
18:42 wannabe1987 i don't quite know what socialogy is....
18:42 yNos at the local pub
18:42 astro73|derrial ok, so automation is displacing workers
18:42 astro73|derrial corporations are doing really, really welll, but we got rediculous unemployment
18:43 astro73|derrial in large part, because technology has allowed so much more production for the work put in
18:44 astro73|derrial if this trend continues, we're going to have an entirely unemployable bottom social class.
18:44 wannabe1987 ok
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18:44 astro73|derrial all the guys that work factories and production? even most (if not all) of logistics
18:44 astro73|derrial and many service jobs
18:44 astro73|derrial pretty much every job that you can be shown how to do
18:44 wannabe1987 like most of the ones i've had so far
18:44 astro73|derrial you and me both
18:45 astro73|derrial arguably, every job we've held
18:45 astro73|derrial (also, i think this unemployable segment will define the postindustrial age)
18:45 astro73|derrial we also have large numbers of unemployment going up the education chain
18:46 astro73|derrial because technology (i guess largely IT) has multiplied work so much
18:47 astro73|derrial the only solution i can come up with to deal with this is space colonization, firefly style
18:47 * wannabe1987 still hasn't seen firefly
18:47 wannabe1987 and noone'll lend it to me
18:47 wannabe1987 i've seen serenity 2x tho, thanks to corwin
18:47 Cprossu the problem is not only is automation replacing workers
18:47 astro73|derrial i just downloaded it
18:48 Cprossu but labor out of country is replacing automation in the states
18:48 wannabe1987 i'd dl if i could....that computer can't connect to the wifi
18:48 Cprossu and automation out of country is replacing that labor out of country
18:48 astro73|derrial can a human ever be cheaper than an automaton?
18:48 Cprossu yes\
18:48 Cprossu and it happens all the time
18:48 Cprossu ever watch "How it's made"?
18:49 astro73|derrial occasionally
18:49 wannabe1987 i love how its made!
18:49 Cprossu there's no replacement for handwork.
18:49 Cprossu things that you'd think would be completely automated...just aren't
18:49 astro73|derrial my guess is that automation solutions are still too expensive
18:49 wannabe1987 violin, harp, etc making....
18:49 Cprossu and they break down a lot
18:49 astro73|derrial or that the AIs aren't smart enough
18:49 Seroster Mrrgh
18:49 Cprossu hockey sticks for an example wannabe1987
18:49 astro73|derrial hand craft will have it's place until we have strong AI
18:50 wannabe1987 that one too
18:50 Cprossu are nearly all hand made
18:50 wannabe1987 i haven't seen them all....
18:50 wannabe1987 i have acquired some seasons tho
18:50 Cprossu even then astro73|derrial
18:50 Cprossu the joints will break down on machinery
18:50 Cprossu if you ask it to do certain motions
18:50 wannabe1987 yeah.  that'll fail eventually
18:50 angy hockey sticks are more and handled than hand made
18:50 angy only the very high end are hand made at some point
18:50 astro73|derrial when AI is powerful to improve itself, and it can then stand beside humans (think QC or GitS)
18:51 Cprossu well at that point we can give up on making more humans astro73|derrial
18:51 Cprossu it'll be a good day.
18:51 astro73|derrial pretty much
18:52 Cprossu but I have to admit things I had thought had to be handmade aren't and stupid things I use every day that I don't think about weren't just churned out of fully automated factories but were instead handmade in each step.
18:52 astro73|derrial we might end up like GitS for a while, but i think we'll succumb to the future discussed in Dresden Codak's Hob story
18:52 Cprossu astro73|derrial that's wishful thinking
18:53 astro73|derrial and basic maintenance? that's a basic job you can show someone
18:53 Cprossu your theory hindges upon the idea that human civilization will last that long.
18:53 astro73|derrial alright, fair enough. What apocalypse do you see?
18:53 Cprossu not really an apocalypse
18:54 Cprossu just more of a living enviroment changes just enough to make it uninhabitable
18:54 Seroster For voice of the day: Wich old norse paganistic god was killed by a mistletoe arrow?
18:54 Cprossu geologically speaking that happens a lot
18:55 astro73|derrial Cprossu: so you think industry is going to kill us, or geologic changes will send us back to the stone age?
18:55 Cprossu there are one of a few thousand variables on earth that if they change enough will simply mean a long drawn out extinction for us.
18:55 astro73|derrial the former is possible, the latter seems unlikely at this point
18:55 angy btw Cprossu http://dv.komput.net/gitweb/index.cgi
18:55 astro73|derrial as long as we stay on earth, that's a given
18:55 Cprossu nice
18:56 Cprossu yeah I see us dying as a species still on earth.
18:56 astro73|derrial as far as i can tell, we have to get to space
18:56 Cprossu it's good to see progress angy
18:56 astro73|derrial economically, socially, and as a species, it's an imperative
18:57 Cprossu the funny thing is the amount of enegy we'd have to use/offset to put a civilization in space would technically be enough to change one or many of those variables on the planet that keep us living
18:57 astro73|derrial it could even be used to fill the same economic niche as WWII
18:57 astro73|derrial Cprossu: details?
18:58 Cprossu well rockets for one
18:58 Cprossu and if not rockets railguns.
18:58 Cprossu that energy has got to come from somewhere
18:58 Cprossu and a displacement of energy is a displacement of energy.
18:58 astro73|derrial without FTL, though, we'd need generational ships
18:58 astro73|derrial and that's just not feasable right now, afaik
18:58 Cprossu hence why I said 'putting a civilization in space'
18:59 astro73|derrial before we can really do extrasolar colonization, we'd need a lot more tech
18:59 Cprossu which takes time no matter how you look at it
18:59 astro73|derrial and by "More tech", i mean "several breakthroughs in physics"
19:00 Cprossu enough time and the dirt layers geologically speaking will pile up and we simply won't be.
19:00 Cprossu being around for less than 1/4 of an eye blink does that to a species
19:00 * angy goes back to coding
19:00 Cprossu btw angy awesome
19:00 Cprossu this is really happening ain't it
19:00 astro73|derrial do you really think that we'll get burried?
19:01 angy http://dv.komput.net/test/a.html :)
19:01 angy I'm currently working on the waiver part
19:02 angy (but I need new music for that)
19:02 astro73|derrial at this point, i think we got too much tech to be easily buried by anything geological or environmental
19:02 Cprossu you'd think
19:03 Cprossu by geological I mean millions of years
19:03 angy you'd be very surprise how it can easyli disapear
19:03 astro73|derrial and how long does it take for humans to adapt to change?
19:03 angy depend on the change :)
19:03 Cprossu most of our engineering still relies on offsetting energy
19:03 astro73|derrial decades?
19:04 Cprossu climate control of environment, like air conditioning
19:04 Cprossu doesn't cool anything
19:04 Cprossu it simply relocates heat.
19:04 astro73|derrial right
19:04 angy and generating a little more in the process
19:04 Cprossu in a circumstance where the outside temperature is over 250F
19:05 Seroster A LITTLE?
19:05 Cprossu we're kind of fucked
19:05 Seroster Cprossu, you just need a few compressors in series
19:05 Cprossu yes but you'll end up with compressors to remove heat from compressors
19:05 Cprossu in the same way if you build a big enough rocket
19:05 Seroster Every one relocates like 15f from the previous one, until you got comfortable temp ^^
19:05 Cprossu you need extra fuel to move the fuel
19:05 Cprossu to the point that it fails
19:05 astro73|derrial honestly, the process of moving underground or to bubbles might help us economically
19:06 Seroster Yes, but it isnt a linear... line?
19:06 Cprossu nope curved.
19:06 Cprossu everything is curved
19:06 Seroster I could go for a sex joke here, but I won't.
19:06 Cprossu you will reach the point that refrigeration techniques fail
19:06 Seroster Yeah, when your copper tubing melts.
19:07 Cprossu as the complexity increases your single failure points failures also increase
19:07 astro73|derrial and an actual problem will create a huge engineering effort
19:07 Seroster I didnt say it would be easy, Cprossu =P
19:07 Cprossu no it won't be
19:07 Cprossu it will be exponentially more difficult
19:07 Cprossu as time progresses
19:08 Cprossu to the point that the effort fails.
19:08 Cprossu in terms of geologic time humanity doesn't stand a chance.
19:08 Cprossu we're too fucking complicated and our gene pool too small.
19:08 Seroster Looking more than 2000 years into the future is pretty useless because we'll either be on mars, dead or evolved to a higher state.
19:09 astro73|derrial but we also evolved out of an era of ecologic change
19:09 Cprossu Seroster ... what about evolved to a 'lower' state?
19:09 astro73|derrial beating out a pile of other hominids
19:09 Cprossu but the whole trip is 1/4 of an eye blink is what I am saying astro73|derrial
19:09 Seroster Cprossu, Since we are already so low we barely function any devolution would result in the second state, dead.
19:10 Cprossu funny thought though
19:10 astro73|derrial in terms of geology, yes. we're miniscule
19:10 Cprossu but lower evolution wise doesn't mean that
19:10 Seroster Most likely we'll get off this rock or perish with it.
19:10 astro73|derrial Seroster: that's the only two outcomes. Leave or die.
19:10 Seroster Yeah, the ants got shit worked out
19:11 Cprossu ants are fucking scary
19:11 Seroster The only two LIKELY outcomes, mind you.
19:11 astro73|derrial but we can fight geology so much faster than it can fight us
19:11 Cprossu there's 10 million underneath my front yard.
19:11 Cprossu at least
19:11 Cprossu astro73|derrial if you are sqished with a sledgehammer there's not much you can do
19:12 Seroster Theoretically an omnipotent being called Bert comes to earth and says "Dang homie, this place sucks!" and turns evrything into crude oil, gold and honey...   Wich sounds rather unpleasant.
19:12 astro73|derrial Seroster: that falls under the "die" category
19:12 Seroster Depends on if we have time to make boats out of the gold =)
19:12 Cprossu if we live to see the ocean current stop we'll be in shit tons of trouble
19:13 wannabe1987 lol
19:13 Seroster The gulf current, more specifically?
19:13 astro73|derrial but we'll live, and probably keep much of our tech
19:13 Cprossu trans-atlantic cureent is what I was thinking of
19:13 Cprossu I think
19:13 Seroster But yeah, if the gulf current stops or reverses sweden will get pretty fucking cold, and so will canada. (cold-er)
19:14 Cprossu and also we really think we're close to a magnetic pole reversal
19:14 Cprossu which would also SUCK ASS
19:14 Seroster Yeah, you would have to make new compasses!
19:14 astro73|derrial and ice age != ice everywhere always forever
19:15 Seroster Fuck, that would be a drag xD
19:15 Cprossu no I mean the time that the field is neutral
19:15 astro73|derrial and we don't have a magnetosphere
19:15 Cprossu if it's too long we're fucked.
19:15 astro73|derrial making SPF 150 mandetory
19:16 Cprossu spf150 won't save you from the solar wind
19:16 Cprossu and other high velocity particles
19:16 Cprossu specifically high velocity charged particles
19:16 astro73|derrial but we'd still recover
19:17 Cprossu it'll have to be SPF 3' of lead
19:17 Seroster Cprossu, we'll manage.
19:17 Seroster Primates survived the last reversal, without knowing the reversal even happened
19:19 astro73|derrial was there a mass extinction with the last reversal?
19:19 Seroster .g mass extinction 800.000bc
19:19 BotSteve Seroster: No results found for 'mass extinction 800.000bc'.
19:19 Cprossu the last one was 780,000 years ago
19:20 Seroster Anyhow, Cprossu if it takes place you won't be able to hide in your lead bunker.
19:21 astro73|derrial i mean, i think we need another dinosaur-sized asteroid to really make me worried
19:21 Seroster To be honest, earth doesnt give a rats ass if we worry or not.
19:21 Cprossu if you say so
19:21 Cprossu volcanos suck ass too
19:21 Seroster If it decides to fuck us over it will, regardless of what we think.
19:22 Seroster Another thing that would suck is if a boeing 747 flew into this house
19:22 Cprossu but seriously all it takes is a few variables to make us dead
19:22 Seroster You can't live your entire life in fear you'll suffer from some kind of disaster
19:22 Seroster Nah, it takes a few variables to make life a bitch for us
19:22 Cprossu hey I am living my years here in happiness!
19:22 Cprossu and doing as much damage as I can
19:22 Seroster ^^
19:23 Seroster Let's burn CRTs!
19:23 * Cprossu fills a kiddie pool with mercury
19:23 Cprossu crap I need a better kiddie pool
19:24 Cprossu does titanium react with mercury Seroster?
19:24 astro73|derrial also, have i been blocked from commenting on physicsduck videos?
19:25 astro73|derrial i keep getting "Error, please try again" when i try commenting on today's captain's blog
19:25 Cprossu I think they manually allow/disallow every single comment
19:25 Cprossu I gotta watch that!
19:25 astro73|derrial i know they do, but this is different
19:25 yNos wannabe1987:iirc, firefly is available on hulu.
19:25 Seroster Titanium and mercury...
19:26 wannabe1987 yeah?  hmmmmm now that i'm hardwired in to a network maybe i can stream hulu
19:26 Seroster I don't think so, no.
19:26 wannabe1987 i've never like hulu tho
19:26 astro73|derrial and i know they have a habit of making ban decisions in secret
19:26 yNos am just going over the log.. just had 27 tickets fall in from the same person, asking for the same thing to be done for 27 different users.
19:26 yNos ffs, open on gd ticket with the list and i will make a script!
19:27 Seroster I am pretty sure you can't make mercury amalgamate with titanium in a normal setting
19:27 Cprossu left #thegeekgroup
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19:27 wannabe1987 banned?!
19:27 Cprossu lol
19:27 Cprossu just a joke
19:27 astro73|derrial he's teasing
19:28 Cprossu hahah
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19:28 Cprossu want to see something funny?
19:28 * Disconnected *
19:28 * yNos reconnects
19:29 astro73|derrial Cprossu: nice
19:29 astro73|derrial wannabe1987: see what i mean?
19:29 wannabe1987 i'm paying 1/2 attn, so sure
19:29 astro73|derrial bbl
19:30 Seroster astro73|derrial, do you want to see how it looks when you are ACTUALLY kicked? =D
19:30 * wannabe1987 has been kicked enough
19:30 * Seroster kicks wannabe1987
19:31 wannabe1987 owwwwwww
19:31 * Cprossu sets mode +B Seroster
19:31 * Cprossu sets mode -O Seroster
19:31 Seroster lil
19:32 * Cprossu sets mode +LOL Seroster
19:32 wannabe1987 lol
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19:32 Cprossu I forgot the colon.
19:32 Cprossu shit.
19:32 Cprossu and lowercase
19:34 wannabe1987 lol
19:34 wannabe1987 always learning, Cprossu
19:35 * Cprossu sets mode: +lol Cprossu
19:35 wannabe1987 there you go
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19:35 * wannabe1987 sets mode: +lol iSasha
19:35 iSasha +lol?
19:35 iSasha Wazzdat?
19:36 wannabe1987 ask Cprossu
19:36 wannabe1987 he started it!
19:36 iSasha .seen Cprossu
19:36 BotSteve iSasha: I last saw cprossu 0.01 hours ago at 2011-09-07 19:35:21 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 19:36:07 UTC
19:36 iSasha Cprossu: wtf is this?
19:36 Cprossu a funny joke
19:36 * Cprossu sets mode: -lol iSasha
19:36 wannabe1987 i'm laughing....
19:36 iSasha what's so funny 'bout that?
19:37 Cprossu well you're not laughing because someone set you as -lol
19:37 wannabe1987 LOL
19:37 iSasha -lol wannabe1987
19:37 iSasha Darn...
19:37 wannabe1987 iSasha iFails .
19:38 iSasha the i in my name doesn't actually stand for i things
19:38 iSasha BTW, I came here to ask for printer advice
19:38 angy iprinter iadvices?
19:39 iSasha angy: if you were in front of me right now, I'd truly slap the shit out of you
19:39 wannabe1987 whatever iSasha
19:39 * wannabe1987 lols @ angy
19:39 Sasha_ There, happy?
19:39 wannabe1987 NOW YOU HAS TAIL!
19:39 wannabe1987 :3
19:40 Sasha_ Someone stole Sasha
19:41 Sasha_ No but seriously, I need printer advice
19:42 Sasha_ I'm looking for a small printer in the 30-50$ range, that will work well and last a long time
19:42 Cprossu Sasha_ got any goodwills?
19:42 Sasha_ Nah, toppreise.ch is my best bet
19:43 Sasha_ I'm not in the US
19:43 Cprossu damn.
19:43 Cprossu by $30-$50 what currency are you talking?
19:43 Sasha_ 30-50$
19:43 Sasha_ us $
19:45 masterofmonks Sasha_: hp deskjet
19:45 Sasha_ I'm thinking about getting an HP, since the one I have at home was one that I got free with a computer, 11 years ago. It prints faster, better, brighter than my expensive Epson that I bought last year.
19:46 Sasha_ But are Canon's any good?
19:46 Cprossu nope
19:46 Cprossu the older HP's rock
19:46 Cprossu the newer hp's, there's only a few i'd buy
19:46 Sasha_ Cprossu: I have a PSC 950
19:47 angy go find the price of the cartdriges
19:47 Cprossu all are $100 or more
19:47 angy get the one that are the less expensives
19:47 Cprossu PSC 950 is a good printer,
19:47 Cprossu anything wrong with it?
19:47 Sasha_ Ink is expensive :(
19:47 Sasha_ So I'm thinking of getting CISS
19:47 Cprossu HP 45's and 78's right?
19:48 Sasha_ Afaik it is 15's
19:48 Cprossu see if you can put a 45 in it Sasha_
19:48 Sasha_ Are they the same?
19:48 Cprossu they are much better quantity wise
19:48 Cprossu 45's much bigger ink well
19:49 Cprossu some of the hp's were firmware locked not to take 45's though
19:49 Cprossu which is annoying
19:49 Cprossu let me see if you ended up with one of them
19:50 Sasha_ I'll see. But the biggest problem is the color, since I use a LOT of it for school. Cartridges are like 50$ a piece!
19:50 Cprossu buy the 78XL's
19:50 Cprossu it's like $70 a piece but they last longer
19:50 Sasha_ Oh you have one?
19:50 Cprossu http://www.amazon.com/HP-Tri-color-Cartridge-Packaging-C6578AN/dp/B00004Z4L5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1315425036&amp;sr=8-1
19:50 Cprossu I have old 900 series printers
19:51 Cprossu but what I ended up using was a officejet pro  L7550
19:51 Cprossu it's pretty damn cost effective.
19:51 Sasha_ My dad recently got a MF something for his office, it broke like after 2 years. Something about improper shutdown.
19:53 Cprossu but if you can get a printer that uses 88XL carts, it's a good deal
19:53 Cprossu and there are only 2 print head carts for that printer too
19:54 Cprossu each has 2 heads on it
19:54 Sasha_ Next printer I'm getting is a Samsung laser. I've had enough of buying shit.
19:54 Cprossu ^ that's a piece of shit
19:54 Sasha_ Which one?
19:54 Cprossu especially their color laser's
19:54 Sasha_ Samsung?? Really?
19:54 Cprossu yeah. crap.
19:55 Sasha_ Hmm… they seem good
19:55 Cprossu they die on the 3rd set of toners from my experience
19:56 Cprossu better than brother though
19:56 Cprossu their monochrome lasers are -meh- but reliable
19:57 Sasha_ Cprossu: I need to choose between the Canon PIXMA iP2700 and HP DeskJet 1000
19:57 Cprossu ewwwwwwww
19:57 Cprossu avoid anything with a vertical paper feed.
19:58 Cprossu give me a bit
19:58 Cprossu but that hp's a pile of shit.
19:58 Sasha_ Didn't you just say it was good?
20:00 Cprossu no.
20:00 Cprossu I said look for something that uses a 88xl ink cart
20:01 Cprossu or rather carts
20:01 Sasha_ oh no, that was masterofmonks
20:01 Sasha_ so you're telling me to go for the cannon?
20:01 Cprossu nope
20:01 Cprossu I'm looking up printers hang on
20:03 * wannabe1987 is watching the cosby show :D
20:08 Cprossu man this is bleak Sasha_
20:08 Sasha_ how come?
20:09 Cprossu I dislike the 2 new HP mechanisms that are out there
20:09 Cprossu they aren't nearly as robust as the last generation was
20:09 Sasha_ What about the canon?
20:10 Cprossu Their heads clog so badly it's not even worth considering canon
20:10 Sasha_ So which one is better?
20:11 Cprossu they are both shit comparted to the psc 950 reliability and ink cost wise
20:11 Cprossu you'll be going through ink carts like they are popcorn with both of them
20:11 Sasha_ I just need a real small one
20:12 Cprossu so do you need one for portability sake or printing sake?
20:13 Sasha_ Like 150 pages a year, quite portable
20:14 Seroster My cat hates me when I sneeze. How should I punish him?
20:14 Cprossu pet it's belly.
20:14 angy sneeze on him
20:14 Seroster angy, way ahead of you
20:14 Seroster Cprossu, great way to lose an arm!
20:14 tlockley Seroster: train your cat to like you when you sneeze
20:15 tlockley give it a cat treat or something every time you sneeze
20:15 Cprossu hrmmmm
20:15 Seroster He's a fourteen pounder, thirteen are muscles and one is claws+teeth
20:15 Cprossu Sasha_ can you get the deskjet 6940?
20:15 Seroster He already sent one person to the ER =P
20:15 tlockley ouch
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20:15 Seroster Ambushed my grandmother in law, sank his teeth into her leg
20:16 Cprossu yikes
20:16 Seroster But she treats cats like dolls. Pick them up, cuddle, and if they struggle you hold harder ^^
20:16 Cprossu bad idea
20:17 Seroster Yep
20:17 Seroster He didnt take the shit from her. Lol =D
20:17 Cprossu I'm a cat person though they like me and I like them
20:17 injektion When they run calcium chloride at work and I come home and want a glass of milk the milk always smells funny
20:17 Cprossu lol
20:18 Seroster Me too, Cprossu. And the thing I like is that they are individual enough to not obey you.
20:20 injektion I really cannot say what it smells like to me because it's NSFW
20:20 Sasha_ Cprossu: nope :(
20:20 Sasha_ BTW, I need to sleep now, I'll talk tmoz about it
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20:21 Cprossu yeah I know heh Seroster
20:21 Cprossu the latest edition to my family was a stray
20:21 Cprossu and my joke is she is the cat curiosity killed
20:21 Seroster You can command a dog that is twice your size, but a cat 1/10 of you can still slit your throat in your sleep =P
20:21 Cprossu never had one like her before.
20:22 Cprossu she fetches too
20:22 Seroster Heh
20:22 Cprossu she won't slit my throat, but she has used my belly as a diving target before
20:23 Cprossu if you place ANYTHING in the middle of a room, she has to go play with it
20:23 Seroster Lol
20:23 Cprossu doesn't matter what it is
20:23 Cprossu and if it's a cat toy she'll play with it just like the cats on the picture of the thing you bought
20:24 Cprossu weirdd.....
20:24 Seroster Aye.
20:24 Seroster Both my cats are stray
20:24 Cprossu she plays peek-a-boo too which is kinda funny
20:24 Cprossu because her big ears poke out first
20:24 Cprossu and she thinks you can't see em
20:25 Seroster The male badass one was a pathetic ball of fur, drenched in road dirt, water and all kinds of unmentionables, hiding under a porch.
20:25 Seroster Then we fed him, and he first evolved into a friendly gigant, into a not so friendly gigant, into a restrained beast
20:25 Cprossu mine was a teeny tiny 3lb kitten that must have chased a moth into our laundry room and was ontop of our washing machine
20:25 Seroster He lost the gene for fat.
20:25 Seroster Aw
20:25 Cprossu and the previous stray we had was a Maine Coon
20:26 Cprossu big sweet cat
20:26 Cprossu he was funny as hell
20:26 Cprossu would hold 'cat meetings' with the other 3 cats every week under our dining room table
20:26 Cprossu despite the fact the 2 females hated eachother.
20:26 Seroster '-'
20:26 Cprossu they would sit next to eachother during the 'meetings'
20:26 Cprossu scary motherfucking cat.
20:27 Seroster I have a fetish for mcos, just due to size.
20:27 Cprossu they are very very sweet too
20:27 Cprossu and they can go from 0-100 miles an hour in zero time
20:27 Cprossu just wave a string.
20:27 Cprossu instant change.
20:27 Seroster Hehe
20:27 Seroster But my favourite by far is worn housecats
20:27 Seroster The less ears they have the better ^^
20:27 Cprossu the cat that curiosity killed though...
20:28 Cprossu will wait until the string is in the right place, grab it from you and drag it to a high place
20:28 Seroster hhe
20:28 Cprossu she also dive bombs into 12 pack coke boxes
20:28 Cprossu and will push it all the way to a wall
20:28 Cprossu which is funny as hell
20:29 * wannabe1987 misses her cat now
20:29 Seroster Get a new
20:29 Cprossu funniest thing was I unpacked our 60" TV set
20:29 Cprossu big huge ass box
20:29 Cprossu she dive bombed into it.
20:29 Seroster haha
20:30 Seroster The box my first scratching pole came in still lives
20:30 Seroster ....Kind of.
20:30 wannabe1987 Seroster i can't afford a cat....
20:30 Cprossu she's now 11lbs ~8 months after we got her
20:30 Seroster They stillgo apeshit in it and kill it ^^
20:30 Cprossu haha
20:30 Cprossu oooh that maine coon I had
20:30 Seroster wannabe1987, Cats are not very expensive... I pay about a buck a day per cat in food, then you need some litter and an insurance
20:30 Cprossu this is a good story
20:30 Cprossu I just got my first laser pointer
20:31 Cprossu and was messing around with it
20:31 Seroster I have more interesting storys, but they are more suitable for the nsfw room xD
20:31 wannabe1987 Seroster i can't afford cat food, litter, a box, a vet, etc.  i can't even afford gas right now....
20:31 Cprossu he ran up to chase it and I was having fun and such right?
20:31 wannabe1987 i have NO money.  maybe a quarter?
20:31 Cprossu well I made the transition from the couch to the wall without meaning to
20:31 Cprossu he jumped straight to the wall, hit the wall, slid all the way down
20:32 Cprossu and came out walking slowly yet briskly.
20:32 Seroster haha
20:32 Cprossu "That was not cool" look on his face
20:32 Seroster On my kitchen wall there is a scrathing pole mounted to some shelves
20:32 Seroster So I got shelves over the door, across a few meters of wall, going to the bookcase, and a catwalk to the loft bed
20:33 Seroster Stupid bastards were chasing a laser that was pointing at the ceiling... =D
20:33 Cprossu hahah
20:33 Cprossu yNos apparently had a cat that could scale the edges of walls and would dive bomb people
20:34 injektion My cat would always bite my hair after I'd take a shower
20:34 wannabe1987 nom nom nom
20:34 Seroster injektion, Quit using tuna paste as conditioner
20:34 wannabe1987 lol
20:35 Cprossu my maine coon would sometimes put his claws in my head when I was sleeping and spend most of the night up there
20:35 Seroster xD
20:36 Cprossu funny stuff
20:36 Seroster My half blind housecat settles for sleeping on my chest. Preferably with her ass as close to my face as possible
20:36 Cprossu each cat is an individual all to it's own
20:36 wannabe1987 my cat was a polydactyl and had brain damage and stumbled everywhere
20:36 Cprossu ooooh the curious cat I've got... there's something funny I've seen no other cat do.
20:36 Cprossu if you 'scare' her
20:36 Cprossu she jumps on all 4's
20:36 Cprossu BOING!
20:37 Cprossu goes straight up
20:37 Cprossu and straight down
20:37 wannabe1987 lol
20:37 Cprossu just like the jumpman on donkey kong
20:37 wannabe1987 max (dog) would do that jumping....
20:38 Cprossu this led my family to believe that there are springs in her head
20:39 Cprossu hehehe
20:41 Cprossu brb wearing cat on head
20:42 injektion What can I do to get this smell out of my nose
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20:43 Cprossu have a neti pot injektion?
20:43 injektion no
20:43 injektion I don't think that will get this smell out
20:43 Cprossu it gets damn near anything else out
20:44 Seroster injektion, you need a new job
20:44 Seroster Try pimp.
20:44 Seroster Anyhow
20:44 Seroster Im off to hit the hay
20:45 injektion I'd love to say what the smell is but the smell is adult in origin
20:45 Seroster ...Speaking about pimps =D
20:47 dr_jkl ngh
20:47 Seroster I really hope that cat is peeing, because if that is poop we've got a problem.
20:47 dr_jkl they need to paint the back wall of the HVL black
20:48 Cprossu as long as carbon wasn't used to produce that color =P
20:49 Seroster Heh
20:49 Seroster Better with titanium oxide white?
20:49 Seroster DIoxide*
20:50 Cprossu lol
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21:03 lwq1996 hi
21:04 tlockley hey
21:04 lwq1996 anyone else here
21:04 Cprossu sorta
21:05 lwq1996 hi cprossu
21:05 Cprossu I'm banging my head against a wall trying to figure out what the stream computer froze about the last couple of days, as it's been working for 3hr 50min without 1 complaint yet.
21:06 lwq1996 hmmmm
21:07 Cprossu the proc has new heatsink compound on it, the temps are normal enough, it's not the slot, it's not corrosion, it's not drivers as those haven't changed.
21:07 Cprossu ooooh it could have been hdd corruption. I'll check that next time it poops out
21:14 tlockley why would the HDD be the cause? Isnt the stream computer only there to get the video to justin.tv?
21:15 Cprossu yeah but
21:16 Cprossu the issue is a hardlock
21:16 tlockley hardlock?
21:16 Cprossu well initially there was a connection issue on the pcie card
21:16 Cprossu which caused it after a given amount of time to drop out.
21:16 Cprossu the initial drop out probably caused the rest of the issues
21:17 Cprossu as a result of the pci-ex card dropping off the face of the planet during streaming a lot of bad things happened
21:18 Cprossu I'm now guessing the last few problems were potentially caused by failed or semi hdd writes at the time of the first failure
21:19 Cprossu you can't prevent some things/modules from being in opened/ready for write mode in the os.
21:19 Cprossu if it freezes on the magic interval you could have a mess.
21:20 tlockley ah
21:20 Cprossu after all you have to have a file opened to read it
21:29 * lwq1996 pokes wannabe
21:35 wannabe1987 sorry
21:35 wannabe1987 i was burning dinner
21:35 wannabe1987 :(
21:36 lwq1996 :O dont burn your fingers again
21:36 lwq1996 how is it burnt
21:36 Thermoelectric Carbonized.
21:37 Cprossu it's better than using the chernobylizer
21:37 wannabe1987 bacon
21:37 tonsofpcs you know your day is going to go well when it starts with a canceled meeting with the weather service because they're too busy dealing with anticipated floods....
21:37 wannabe1987 how does bacon burn?
21:37 wannabe1987 it was on too high :(
21:37 Thermoelectric You should try deep frying it.
21:37 wannabe1987 it was wrapped around a burger....
21:38 Thermoelectric Deep fried burger.
21:38 wannabe1987 i try to cook healthy...
21:38 tonsofpcs mmmm
21:38 wannabe1987 bacon wrapped spicy bacon burgers
21:38 wannabe1987 o yeah
21:38 tonsofpcs they apparently deep fry butter now....
21:38 wannabe1987 ewwwwwwwwwwww
21:39 Thermoelectric I want to try that some time.
21:39 wannabe1987 deep fried ice cream :)
21:39 wannabe1987 haven't tried it
21:39 wannabe1987 want to try it
21:39 wannabe1987 no $$ = sad summer
21:39 Thermoelectric :(
21:39 * lwq1996 gives kelly his last 20 dollars
21:40 wannabe1987 i have 1.24 in the bank and a few nickles in the car....
21:40 lwq1996 lol
21:44 wannabe1987 can't this cough just go away so it stops gagging me?  puked up water from teh gag reflex.  having issues breathing too :(
21:44 wannabe1987 i'd go see my dr if i had $$ (for the apt and for gas)
21:45 wannabe1987 also having swallowing issues gah
21:48 * wannabe1987 killed chat by almost dying
21:48 wannabe1987 great
21:51 wannabe1987 lwq1996
21:53 * exor674 hugs wannabe1987
21:53 exor674 no dead kellys
21:54 wannabe1987 i don't want to die
21:55 tlockley wannabe1987: how much is it for the doctor?
21:55 wannabe1987 $20
21:55 tlockley gas?
21:55 wannabe1987 like $10....
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21:55 tlockley paypal?
21:55 wannabe1987 nope
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21:55 tlockley nearest WU?
21:55 wannabe1987 i keep trying to set it up but they keep messing up :(
21:56 wannabe1987 not sure
21:56 wannabe1987 looking it up atm
21:58 wannabe1987 a mile away....
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22:09 Cprossu yay the mc box is back up tggmc
22:11 wannabe1987 yay Cprossu is magic!
22:11 Cprossu I love magic when it works
22:12 tlockley lol
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22:15 wannabe1987 hi Bat-Mobile
22:15 Bat-Mobile hey kannabe
22:15 Bat-Mobile w
22:16 wannabe1987 is that a mix of kelly and wannabe?
22:17 Bat-Mobile nope, not at all
22:17 wannabe1987 o
22:17 wannabe1987 ok
22:24 tonsofpcs wannabelly < mix of the two.
22:25 tonsofpcs (coincident letter)
22:25 tonsofpcs although I suppose kellabe or kennabe works....
22:32 wannabe1987 no
22:32 wannabe1987 no belly
22:33 wannabe1987 anyone in the GR area need food?  i made too much....
22:34 NeWtoz this is a trap
22:34 wannabe1987 bacon wrapped spicy bacon burgers.  on bread
22:34 wannabe1987 no traps
22:35 wannabe1987 theres three left....
22:35 wannabe1987 i don't eat much
22:41 tlockley that sounds delicious
22:43 wannabe1987 what, bacon wrapped spicy bacon burgers?  it was nom-licious.
22:43 wannabe1987 it didn't even need the ketchup i put on w/o thinking....
22:45 wannabe1987 quick, tlockley define "code"  (as in computer code)
22:45 wannabe1987 my poor sister is taking a compu sci class and they spent the entire time talkinga bout "code" and she has no clue what it is.....*facepalm*
22:46 tlockley the language and gramar that is used to tell a computer what it should do
22:46 wannabe1987 thank you!  i didn't know how to put it into words....
22:47 tlockley np
22:47 wannabe1987 i told her early on to become good friends with some of the guys in the class ;)
22:48 Bat-Mobile What grade is she in?
22:48 wannabe1987 college sophomore....
22:48 wannabe1987 she's cute, i'm sure some guys will be her friend....
22:48 Bat-Mobile What's her major?
22:48 wannabe1987 math teacher, secondary
22:48 wannabe1987 its a calvin req to take a compu sci class...i learned to make websites with dreamweaver....
22:50 wannabe1987 her friend: "WHAT? i thought websites were made of magic"
22:51 tlockley derp
22:51 wannabe1987 coders must be magicians then....
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22:54 wannabe1987 Coderjoe if coders are magicians, what are you?
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23:02 wannabe1987 ya know, i'm glad our computers aren't this big these days....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC
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23:08 yNos who is playing on the mc?
23:08 wannabe1987 hi chunks, tanilolli, crohakon, astro73|derrial and eadthem
23:08 Cprossu wannabe1987 the eniac was a total hell to make do anything too
23:08 chunks hi
23:08 Cprossu all wireboards.
23:09 Cprossu and it was binary coded decimal.
23:09 tanilolli hi wannabe1987
23:10 yNos I think i have one of the wireboards for the ibm business calculator that steelcase had back in the 70s
23:10 yNos typo
23:10 yNos 60s
23:11 wannabe1987 yeah?  well, i need something geeky and the ENIAC sound geeky....most computer related things are
23:11 yNos and the manual for it..
23:11 Cprossu pretty awesome
23:11 tonsofpcs wirewrapped?
23:11 Cprossu plugboards/wireboards suck though
23:11 Cprossu tonsofpcs imagine a rom chip where every 'bit' is a wire.
23:12 tonsofpcs Cprossu: got a picture?
23:12 Cprossu yeah
23:12 Cprossu http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/witexhibit/images/wit_plugboard_width443.jpg
23:12 Cprossu or rather
23:12 Cprossu god help you
23:12 Cprossu http://www.vintchip.com/MAINFRAME/UNIVAC1004/PLUGBOARD.jpeg
23:12 yNos this one is from a 402 or 403
23:12 yNos well.. 400 series..
23:12 tonsofpcs oo, fancy, solder points
23:12 yNos 402/3/6/7
23:13 tonsofpcs the core module my friend has is all wirewrapped ins/outs.
23:13 yNos looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM402plugboard.Shrigley.wireside.jpg
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23:14 yNos http://www.vintchip.com/MAINFRAME/UNIVAC1004/PLUGBOARD.jpeg looks like it would be a real PITA to troubleshoot.
23:14 yNos tech support "check the white wire"
23:15 Cprossu there was no tech support
23:15 yNos i know ;)
23:15 Cprossu there were field engineers though
23:15 yNos just a manual
23:15 tonsofpcs lol yNos
23:15 tonsofpcs Cprossu: yes, and they dressed to make their customers comfortable!
23:15 tonsofpcs IBM, developing corporate culture without knowing it....
23:15 Cprossu still beats trying to diag a cray-1's wiring yNos
23:16 yNos i bet
23:16 Cprossu http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08221.JPG
23:16 Cprossu check the blue striped white wire.
23:17 yNos that would fille me with rage
23:17 Cprossu rumor has it the women cray hired to do that actually liked their jobs and could follow it all
23:17 tonsofpcs Cprossu: ugh... we have red/blue all over our telco blocks.  Someone got a full spool of it cheap.
23:18 yNos for the most part, i try to have red and black for power, green for ground, orange for address, yellow for io.
23:18 Cprossu http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08226.JPG
23:18 Cprossu unregulated power supplies rock.
23:18 tonsofpcs red black green and yellow are PSTN user-land colors!
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23:19 yNos tonsofpcs:you'd never guess where i got a crapload of wire from ;)
23:19 Cprossu http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08217.JPG
23:19 Cprossu 400hz for the win.
23:19 tonsofpcs yNos: uh... the back of a telco truck?
23:20 yNos when we moved in here there were phone cables run to each room...
23:20 yNos phone wire, 2 pair.
23:20 tonsofpcs Cat3? or faltwire or ?
23:20 tonsofpcs twist ratio?
23:20 Cprossu http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08229b.JPG
23:20 Cprossu http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08232.JPG
23:20 tonsofpcs I have a half spool of turn-per-foot 12-pair
23:20 Cprossu ^ the cray was built with only 4 IC types.
23:21 yNos tonsofpcs: not sure.. 70s vintage 2 pair phone wire...
23:22 Cprossu hmmmm what the hell should I do.
23:22 yNos Cprossu: only 4 types of ics?
23:22 Cprossu yeah
23:22 tonsofpcs yNos: "2 pair" makes it sound twisted, was it?
23:22 yNos nope
23:22 yNos 4 conduct
23:22 yNos er
23:23 Cprossu oh yeah and those IC's yNos
23:23 Cprossu 80mhz.
23:23 yNos what ICs?
23:23 Cprossu in '76
23:23 yNos most computers were 7400 or LS logic back then
23:23 yNos not all.. but a lot.
23:23 Cprossu an ECL dual 5-4 NOR gate (one 5-input, and one 4-input, each with differential output),[3] another slower MECL 10K 5-4 NOR gate used for address fanout, a 16×4-bit high speed (6 ns) static RAM (SRAM) used for registers, and a 1,024×1-bit 50 ns SRAM used for the main memory
23:24 Cprossu hese integrated circuits were supplied by Fairchild Semiconductor and Motorola. In all, the Cray-1 contained about 200,000 gates.
23:24 Cprossu *these
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23:25 * tonsofpcs installs a gate on the room
23:25 Cprossu emitter coupled logic btw yNos heh
23:25 yNos nice
23:25 tonsofpcs I'm hungry still.... just had hot dogs....
23:26 yNos i have wanted to build a 7400 or 4000 series based processor...
23:27 Cprossu and I've always wanted to build a discrete transistor pdp11
23:27 Cprossu we both must be sick.
23:27 Cprossu in my younger days I wanted to build a relay computer
23:28 yNos i was thinking a simple forth computer
23:28 yNos a relay computer would just sound cool
23:28 Cprossu I built a relay adder and it was cool enough
23:28 Cprossu well when it worked anyway
23:28 Cprossu debounce on relays...SUCKS!
23:28 yNos i bet
23:29 yNos too bad you couldnt get a 74X181 in relay form ;)
23:29 Cprossu relay-diode logic though will get you rather far
23:31 * wannabe1987 made bacon. just for the hell of it :)
23:31 yNos http://tams-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/applets/hades/webdemos/20-arithmetic/50-74181/demo-74181-ALU.html
23:31 * angy wakes up...
23:31 yNos for those who wonder what a 181 is
23:32 Cprossu what did you do? you took out the power to 4 blocks!
23:32 Cprossu well I had this relay adder.......
23:32 Cprossu made of telco relays xD
23:33 yNos telco relays?
23:33 Cprossu http://xy3.com/phone/vintage/images/a_relay_flat_P6120083.jpg
23:34 Toastdude angy: !
23:34 yNos those come off?
23:34 angy Toastdude!
23:34 yNos Toastdude!
23:34 yNos angy!
23:34 wannabe1987 Toastdude
23:34 angy yNos!
23:35 Cprossu yeah of course they do yNos
23:35 * wannabe1987 ate her plate of bacon
23:35 Cprossu and if you are really brave you can hotswap them
23:35 wannabe1987 now back to vacuuming
23:35 Toastdude wannabe
23:35 yNos the only ones i have seen that look similar to that had a big cros hatch of moving parts..
23:35 Toastdude yNos!
23:35 * angy hugs Toastdude
23:35 yNos big electro-mechanical switches
23:35 yNos pre-ess
23:35 * Toastdude hugs angy
23:36 wannabe1987 this whole name exchange thing reminds me of RHPS
23:36 yNos the town i grew up in was one of the last to get rid of the electro-mechanical switches.
23:37 yNos the ones that took up a 10x50 foot area and clicked pretty loud.
23:37 yNos Crossbar switch!
23:37 Cprossu telephone exhcange crossbars were damn neat things
23:38 angy I only know voice over IP :)
23:39 Cprossu you know it would be really funny yNos
23:39 Cprossu to make a voip system that goes through a crossbar first
23:40 * Toastdude hugs wannabe1987 ?
23:41 SparkyProjects Did someone mention crossbar switch ?
23:41 SparkyProjects :D
23:41 yNos Cprossu: I like challenges as much as the next guy.. but that would be the suck
23:41 yNos SparkyProjects: you remember when they were new stuff, dont you :P
23:41 SparkyProjects I used to install, test and adjust those hings
23:41 Cprossu could you imagine the transient protection challenge?
23:41 yNos HAHAHA
23:42 SparkyProjects Yeah, they weere only a few years old when i started at the GPO
23:42 yNos SparkyProjects: but really, how were they to work on?
23:42 SparkyProjects Actually they weren't bad to work on, i still have the adjusting tools
23:43 SparkyProjects And after over 30 years, i think i still remember the telephone colour codes of a 300 triple cable
23:44 * angy : Never play Trivial Pursuit with SparkyProjects
23:44 tlockley lol
23:45 SparkyProjects I often lose at TP, too many general knowledge questions :D
23:45 yNos i remember walking by the co with my mom when i was little.. early 80s.. seeing them taking stuff out of there.. my mom talked to one of the guys she knew and he was geeked about whatever system was replacing it.
23:45 angy :)
23:46 tonsofpcs oo
23:46 tonsofpcs who wants to go to a bar for trivia?
23:46 SparkyProjects Actually, when i left, i think GEC were rolling out an electronic exchange, and Plessey (who i worked for) were on the verge of it
23:47 yNos then at the last company i worked at i occasionally got to play with a 5ess and quad OC-194s!!
23:47 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: telco exchange?
23:47 SparkyProjects Ours was something like 'system X' (system 10)
23:49 angy did someone mention going to a bar?
23:49 angy I'm in!
23:50 yNos angy: when you get here, we will have a few pubs to visit.
23:50 angy great!
23:50 yNos if you like microbrews
23:50 angy I *love* them
23:50 yNos i enjoy good beer
23:51 angy I had a store specialized in Quebec microbrews down the street for 2 years
23:51 yNos there is one about 10 minutes drive from tgg
23:51 angy Yey!
23:51 wannabe1987 really?
23:51 wannabe1987 where, yNos
23:51 yNos yeah
23:51 ajprog_laptop less than that
23:52 ajprog_laptop Founders
23:52 yNos on lmd, Sicilianos
23:52 wannabe1987 never been to founders :(
23:52 yNos founders isnt that good, they over hop the crap out of everything.
23:52 yNos imho
23:52 yNos i like hoppy beer, i dont like to eat hops
23:53 angy I think I'm going to get my plane tickets quite soon, just have to see Moose for the dates :)
23:54 wannabe1987 you coming here, angy?
23:54 angy Yep!
23:54 wannabe1987 when?!
23:54 wannabe1987 this month? next month?
23:54 angy in the next few months
23:54 wannabe1987 nice
23:54 angy I think late october, start of november
23:55 Cprossu well at least I have corona's in the fridge since there are no bars in grand rapids MI closer than 1900 miles to me
23:55 angy I have to check with Moose, but I'd like to stay for roughly a month
23:55 wannabe1987 o.O
23:55 wannabe1987 yay!
23:55 Sgt_Lemming I was hoping to head over there about this time, but haven't been able to afford the time away from home
23:55 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: ???
23:55 Sgt_Lemming might have to be mid next year now
23:56 wannabe1987 that = plenty of time to make yummy food here :D
23:56 Cprossu I mean the bear not the electricity
23:56 angy :)
23:56 Cprossu *beer
23:56 Cprossu not the electricity
23:56 Cprossu get the joke though ajprog_laptop?
23:56 ajprog_laptop nope
23:56 Cprossu there are no bars in grand rapids MI closer than 1900 miles to me
23:57 Cprossu hence why I can't go to the bar with everyone for trivia.
23:57 angy you'll all be able to make fun of me :)
23:57 tonsofpcs angy: it's a fun drive.......
23:57 wannabe1987 angy why would we make fun of you?!
23:57 ajprog_laptop oh now, I thought you meant when you were here
23:57 angy sure, with a transatlantic crossing :p
23:57 Cprossu no, now
23:57 Cprossu hahahah
23:57 tonsofpcs angy: I mentioned going to a bar for trivia.  There's one at the end of the street here that has trivia tonight.
23:58 angy I can be there in like 6-7 hours :)
23:58 tonsofpcs angy: transatlantic crossing? where?
23:58 angy I'll come to GRR from France
23:58 SparkyProjects There should be a TGG Trivial Pursuit pack, based on all the disciplines as listed in the forum
23:58 SparkyProjects Or there could be a general pack and a TGG specific pack
23:58 tonsofpcs angy: hmm... thursday.... lets see what bars have thursday trivia
23:58 wannabe1987 i'm son confused.  why am i suppoed to make fun of angy?
23:59 angy you'll know when I'll start messing english & french
23:59 tonsofpcs angy: oh, c'mon, it's just a pond!
23:59 wannabe1987 oooo
23:59 wannabe1987 its ok.
23:59 wannabe1987 i know basic creole :P
23:59 angy I'll steal an A380 :)
23:59 wannabe1987 i can tell you to sit down
23:59 angy do you have any neighbor you dislike?
23:59 tonsofpcs I can yell at you in spanish just to confuse you more :-p
23:59 wannabe1987 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year
23:59 angy I'll answer in german :p
23:59 wannabe1987 i can start signing to you in ASL and you'll be fucked
23:59 * tonsofpcs signs "hi"

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