Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-09-09

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Time Nick Message
00:03 Ponko where's my man bat-steve
00:03 Ponko i mean BatSteve
00:05 * Ponko looks around the empty IRC room for people hiding
00:06 * angy hides better
00:06 * wannabe1987 goes back go sleep
00:08 angy how's Dunstable doing Ponko ?
00:09 Ponko idk i'm not in Dunstable
00:09 angy damn maxmin!
00:09 Ponko o_O
00:09 angy at least, that proves they are wrong 99% of the time
00:10 Ponko ok i'm worrying now
00:10 * angy return playing dead
00:11 tlockley how was the football game Ponko or is it still going?
00:11 * egrsteve hides in corner of spherical space
00:11 Ponko its not started yet
00:12 Ponko lol
00:12 tlockley huh, thats late. or is it not in an eastern timezone?
00:12 Ponko kicks of 8:30 PM CT
00:12 tlockley ah
00:12 Ponko its in Green Bay Wisconsin
00:12 Ponko so 7:30
00:12 tlockley well now that i look at a clock its not really that late here
00:12 Ponko i think
00:13 tlockley no it would be later than me as EST is -5 GMT
00:13 tlockley or..
00:13 tlockley i dont even know i am so friggin tired
00:14 angy Have an egg!
00:14 angy (yes, that makes no sense at all)
00:14 Cprossu don't forget to bring your server beating stick egrsteve
00:14 Ponko yeah i think it said on the schedule 7:30 CT and 8:30 EST
00:14 Ponko or ET i can't remember
00:15 tlockley ok, tht makes semse
00:15 tlockley Cprossu: server beating stick?
00:16 Cprossu tlockley: it can be anything from a bent paper clip to a 10lb sledgehammer.
00:16 Ponko he was sucked in to vast obiss from that corner of Spherical Space
00:16 tlockley lulz
00:17 Ponko i'm guessing its the latter of the 2
00:19 angy I crashed my iPad!
00:20 tlockley not that hard really
00:20 tlockley those things dont have enough ram
00:20 angy in fact, that crash is kind of funny
00:20 angy push the sleep button, crash
00:20 tlockley derp :P
00:22 Cprossu speaking of too much ram
00:23 angy I'll have to reproduce it just for the fun of it
00:23 Cprossu I heard cory shitting bricks saying one of those xserves had 7gb of ram tlockley?
00:23 tlockley ya, i just stuffed every slot it had with ram
00:23 Cprossu hahaha
00:23 tlockley 8 slots FTW
00:23 Cprossu that's a lot of slots
00:24 tlockley not to mention you can upgrade the xserve to have 2CPUS
00:24 tlockley there is an extra ZIF slot
00:24 angy G5?
00:24 tlockley yep G5 xserve
00:24 Cprossu is there a VRM involved or can you sacrifice another xserve for the purpose?
00:24 tlockley VRM?
00:24 angy I have to dig my pile of useless crap, I think I got some of them
00:24 Cprossu voltage regulator module
00:24 angy no VRM in xserv
00:25 tlockley though i think you need to have matched clock speeds
00:25 tlockley or i assume
00:25 angy you have to
00:25 Cprossu bus/clock speed probably
00:25 angy I only know alpha that can go with different clock speed
00:25 Cprossu because the bus speed was varaible on the g5
00:25 Cprossu if I recall
00:26 tlockley huh, never knew that
00:26 angy I don't think it was on the server
00:26 angy but I'm not sure
00:26 tlockley all i know is that you can by new CPU modules online
00:26 angy I bet you got 2.0GHz G5
00:27 tlockley i believe i did
00:27 tlockley i know i have a 1.6g solo for a g5 desktop
00:27 angy I'm sure I'll find 1.8 & 2.5 G5
00:27 angy I'm sure I got somewhere at least one G5
00:28 angy I certainly got a boat lot of G4, but useless
00:28 tlockley ya
00:28 angy single proc xserve were only at 2.0
00:28 tlockley thats funny that correy was lolin ove 7G of ram
00:29 angy it came with 256 if I recall well
00:29 tlockley I want to put like 12 or 16 in my intel xserve
00:29 angy or 512, I don't remeber
00:29 tlockley the g5 i sent was 1g standartd
00:29 tlockley 2 512 modules
00:30 angy that would have been the G4 with 256
00:30 tlockley o
00:30 tlockley i do have a g4 xserve in the basement
00:30 angy the G5 can go up to 16GB I think
00:30 tlockley wouldnt be suprised. too bad its DDR tho
00:30 angy intel are like up to 64 or something like that
00:31 angy DDR _ECC_ even worse to find
00:31 tlockley yah
00:31 tlockley I think i swapped the ECC it came with woth normal DDR
00:31 angy it booted?
00:31 angy I'm kind of surprised it did without ECC
00:31 tlockley yah
00:32 tlockley the whole thing is stuffed to the gills with standard DDR
00:32 tlockley my intel is ECC only
00:32 angy I would have bet it won't boot without ECC
00:32 tlockley why not? they are effectively the same
00:32 tlockley just a parity check bit or W/E
00:32 angy pinout is not quite the same
00:33 tlockley no?
00:33 tlockley they looked the same and they fit the same
00:33 angy they will
00:33 * tlockley scratches head
00:33 angy but the server won't have the return of the actual error checking
00:33 tlockley ok
00:34 angy and most of the time, refuse to boot without that return
00:34 angy but I guess apple did not bother thinking people can go without ECC :)
00:34 tlockley they are lazy like that
00:35 angy they don't think you're going to buy your own memory without an apple logo on it
00:35 tlockley I do find it silly tho that their mac pros are ECC only
00:35 angy and priced like 10 times the street price
00:35 tlockley yah 16,000 for 32G of ram... FUCK NO
00:35 angy I agree with apple on that
00:35 angy I do require ECC when I work
00:36 tlockley i have never personally found a need for ECC
00:36 tlockley and i find it to be a little over expensive
00:36 tlockley though i will always put ECC in real servers
00:36 angy I see it rather rapidly, when I use a non ECC workstation, my code is roughly 2-10 time slower
00:36 angy and I got deviation on the end result :(
00:36 tlockley huh
00:37 tlockley that bad
00:37 angy but it's not really a ``common''usage
00:37 tlockley o
00:38 angy I do matrix curve fitting :)
00:38 tlockley ah
00:38 tlockley that is right over my head
00:39 angy slow as hell, need obscene amount of memory and processor
00:39 Ponko well the Jordin Sparks at least got the National Anthem right
00:39 tlockley heh, yah matices do require lots of power
00:39 angy I was banned from the calculation cluster :p
00:39 tlockley o?
00:40 angy I did an oom
00:40 tlockley oom?
00:40 Ponko ok leave bot-steve a message for me if you want to talk
00:40 angy out of memory
00:40 Ponko if you want
00:40 tlockley lol
00:40 * angy is proud!
00:42 angy I was given a HP Z-something and was told to say the hell out of other computers
00:42 angy I think in the 1 1/2 year I had it, I killed nearly all killable part at least once
00:42 tlockley te hee
00:43 tlockley those hp Z-xxx are nice machines tho
00:43 tlockley yay stream is back
00:43 angy I like their support
00:43 tlockley too bad HP wants to get rid of their PC busisness
00:43 angy "What is your hardware number?" "xxx" <blank> "What broke up this time<"
00:43 tlockley wow
00:45 angy I wanted a MacPro, but it was over budget
00:45 tlockley they are way over pricde IMO
00:45 angy after that, I tried to have a Silicon Graphics, but, over budget
00:45 tlockley but the case design on the inside is cool
00:46 angy I think I wanted it at least for 25% on the design
00:46 tlockley on the octo core models the cpus and ram are on a slide out tray
00:46 angy nice
00:46 tlockley yah untill you bend a pin
00:47 angy pin trays? that is insane
00:47 tlockley well its like a mass pin connecotr thing
00:47 tlockley lemme see if i can find a pic
00:47 angy they spend way too much time in design if it's like that
00:48 tlockley totally
00:50 angy I'll look into it in roughly 1-2 years when I'll change my Mac
00:50 angy or a little before if I really go through the touchpad before that date
00:50 tlockley ya
00:50 angy hopefully, I'll have a job by then...
00:50 tlockley here is the best pic i can find of the CPU tray
00:50 tlockley http://images.anandtech.com/revi​ews/mac/MacProNehalem/memory.jpg
00:51 angy in fact, it's a pin thingy
00:51 tlockley yep
00:51 angy I guess it's for like 3 uses in the whole like of the mac
00:51 tlockley but i didnt want to call it a maas connecotr cause thats wrong
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00:51 angy let's call that a weird connector, shall we?
00:51 tlockley wb lq
00:51 tlockley indeed
00:52 angy the Apple Weird Idiotic iConnector (c)
00:52 tlockley tee hee
00:52 tlockley btw this is a mass connector/cable
00:52 tlockley http://whirlwindusa.com/media/uploads/cserie~1.gif
00:52 tlockley sexless FTW
00:53 angy I had another name for it, but I can't remember it
00:54 angy I used quite a lot of them when I was into live festival coverage
00:54 tlockley they are called mass as it was onece a standard
00:54 tlockley no pretymuch only whirmwind makes them
00:54 tlockley *now
00:55 tlockley if you bend a pin on that you are sooooooo fucked
00:55 angy we did once, the day before the opening of the festival
00:55 tlockley oops
00:55 angy did a 500km trip to get another one
00:56 tlockley ouch
00:56 tlockley the worst was the origina ones were solder only
00:57 tlockley so if you killed it you had o chop the whole connecotr off
00:57 tlockley *to
00:57 angy and then try to solder everything back to the right position, fun
00:57 tlockley o_O
00:58 tlockley now they are replaceable pin system
00:58 angy I had boat load of a lot of kind of cable and controller in France, but i think all that stayed in my studio when I gave up that part
00:59 tlockley bummer
00:59 angy I know they still use the Ghost there
01:02 Ponko hmm
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01:03 angy they did kill my O2R, I ll never forgive them for that
01:03 Ponko i see you lee
01:03 tlockley O2R?
01:04 angy Yamaha O2R mixing console
01:04 wannabe1987 i think lee is at school still...
01:04 wannabe1987 band, foot ball game, etc
01:04 tlockley digi?
01:04 angy yep
01:05 tlockley what a shame
01:05 wannabe1987 theres football on tv
01:05 angy I loved it
01:05 Hackbat Congratz TGG, 11,111 views on justin.tv
01:06 tlockley yah those yamahas are nice consoles
01:06 tlockley btw, the mac pro uses some molex silly backplane connector
01:06 angy I'd say half the functions where useless, but the other half where great!
01:07 * wannabe1987 isn't forever tired anymore after a 2 hour nap....
01:07 wannabe1987 now maybe theres energy to cook dinner
01:07 tlockley well the most experience i have with a digi console is a prosonus studiolive 16.4.2
01:07 angy I really know only soundcraft and yamaha
01:07 tlockley which would be a killer console if it had flying faders
01:07 angy :)
01:08 tlockley i would almost go as far as to say to be digi there has to be flying faders
01:09 wannabe1987 Ponko who are the packers playing
01:09 angy I have to translate flying faders before getting what it is
01:10 tlockley the channel faders move on their own
01:10 angy nearly all the console I ever used have it
01:10 tlockley exactly
01:10 angy I even had it on analog
01:11 tlockley really?
01:11 tlockley i have never used an analog console with flying faders
01:11 tlockley and i have used some big consoles
01:11 angy the Ghost is a pure analog console, but midi controllable
01:11 tlockley interesting
01:11 angy and you can record mixing steps
01:11 angy I used to somehow "pre"mix some things when they where recorded
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01:12 tlockley sweet. I am more of a live sound guy myself
01:12 wannabe1987 speed!
01:12 angy I did the two
01:12 angy more studio than live I have to say
01:12 angy but it's now ages since I left sound business
01:13 tlockley ah. man I wish i wish my school owned a Midas
01:13 angy lovely consoles
01:13 tlockley and beautiful sounding to boot
01:14 angy I tend to use slaves to mount/boot all the systems :)
01:14 tlockley miss meaning there
01:14 angy :)
01:15 angy I don't remember which midas I used, but I definitely came across it once or twice
01:16 tlockley i used a verona before for monitor mix
01:16 tlockley 16 auxes
01:16 tlockley 48 channeks
01:16 angy that helps for monitors :)
01:17 angy I was often stuck with 4 auxes to send monitors :(
01:17 tlockley every try and coax 4auxes out of a mackie befor?
01:17 tlockley never fun
01:18 angy I think I never used a mackie
01:18 tlockley as it tuns out that mon some macies auxes 3 and 4 only work when the fader is a unity
01:18 tlockley *at unity gain
01:18 angy stereo auxes :)
01:18 tlockley stupid auxes
01:18 tlockley :P
01:19 angy really, who wants stereo anyways!
01:19 tlockley well in a concert setting its predominantly mono
01:19 angy the only stereo you need is the output
01:20 angy or maybe one input where there is nothing on stage
01:20 angy s/or/and/
01:20 tlockley yep
01:20 tlockley the only time stereo has mattered to me is when I am feeding audio from a PC
01:21 angy in studio, I need a couple more for stereo mics and some strange flavored mics
01:21 * tlockley nods in approval
01:21 angy I like having it when I have brass on the stage/studio
01:21 angy I used dual mics to get low & other separated
01:22 tlockley nifty
01:22 Ponko @wannabe1987 the Saints
01:22 angy and when I need ambient, but I don't usually hook to a console when I record ambient
01:23 tlockley huh
01:23 tlockley like binaural or something?
01:23 angy not really, more like ambient sound from a forest to re-use elswhere
01:24 angy or prepared piano sound
01:24 tlockley okay
01:24 angy real ambient sound, not ambient trance-ish :)
01:24 tlockley yah i got ya
01:24 Ponko ok peeps get botsteve to message me
01:24 angy BotSteve: tell Ponko Message
01:24 BotSteve angy: I'll pass that on when Ponko is around.
01:25 Ponko -_- yes
01:25 BotSteve Ponko: I have the following messages for you:
01:25 BotSteve Ponko: I have the following messages for you:
01:25 angy BotSteve: tell Ponko me
01:25 angy that is better
01:25 angy :)
01:25 Ponko you caused him to crash
01:25 wannabe1987 o.O
01:25 angy I see that
01:25 tlockley why you gotta chrash the bot
01:25 angy it's karma
01:25 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
01:25 angy it's very bad these days
01:27 Ponko lol
01:27 angy BotSteve: Should I correct my karma?
01:27 BotSteve Reply hazy, try again later
01:27 angy I get that as a no
01:29 wannabe1987 lol
01:29 Ponko lol
01:29 * angy workshop his karma to be even worse
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01:29 angy There we go!
01:31 * speedrunnerG55 pokes wannabe1987
01:31 * wannabe1987 throws dinner at speedrunnerG55
01:31 wannabe1987 sorry.  you startled me
01:31 speedrunnerG55 Ikd weatther to doge it or nom on it
01:32 * speedrunnerG55 pokes Cprossu
01:32 speedrunnerG55 Wannabe did you solve your issue?
01:32 speedrunnerG55 With the memory
01:33 wannabe1987 no.  i didn't get rid of some tabs either
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01:34 speedrunnerG55 ...
01:34 wannabe1987 what?  i'm makign dinner ! :P
01:35 angy I need to go do that
01:36 wannabe1987 i'm using red wine :)
01:36 speedrunnerG55 Ok wannabe
01:36 speedrunnerG55 ....zoinks
01:36 angy which kind?
01:36 speedrunnerG55 Why
01:36 wannabe1987 alcoholic kind
01:37 speedrunnerG55 Because a little wine is good fo yo stomach?
01:37 speedrunnerG55 Lol
01:37 angy it's good for your earth and arteries!
01:37 speedrunnerG55 Earth?
01:37 angy and like the French public health said: not more than 1L a day
01:37 angy hearth damm keyboard
01:38 wannabe1987 lol
01:38 wannabe1987 cabernet sauvignoin (SP)
01:38 speedrunnerG55 Hearth?
01:38 angy (ok, it was in 1950's, but I stop there)
01:38 speedrunnerG55 Angy. Have you been drinking tonight?
01:38 speedrunnerG55 Lol jk
01:38 angy no! *hide glasses*
01:38 wannabe1987 lol
01:38 speedrunnerG55 Oh my
01:38 wannabe1987 angy = resident alcoholic
01:39 angy that's my  current reputation :)
01:39 wannabe1987 tsk tsk
01:39 speedrunnerG55 Oh my
01:39 angy you'll see it's not _that_ bad wannabe1987!
01:40 speedrunnerG55 Yes it is.>_>
01:40 wannabe1987 at least you realize it....while my friends' friend doesn't....
01:40 speedrunnerG55 Then again...How would i inow
01:40 wannabe1987 http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/6mqavU  so cool
01:41 speedrunnerG55 ?
01:41 angy because I may dive into the phone line and re-materialize at you side speedrunnerG55 ?
01:41 wannabe1987 lol
01:41 speedrunnerG55 What?!
01:41 angy ok, it like 125 years when teleportation will be invented for humans, but still
01:41 angy stay tuned!
01:41 speedrunnerG55 I would bush you back in
01:41 speedrunnerG55 Push
01:42 wannabe1987 i'll take angy....the more the merrier
01:42 angy *note for myself materialize in the neighbor home*
01:42 speedrunnerG55 And block your ip adress
01:42 angy that's ok, I got a boat load of them :)
01:42 speedrunnerG55 .....how?
01:42 angy RIPE
01:42 angy http://www.ripe.net/
01:43 speedrunnerG55 ...darn you
01:43 angy I'm productive, sometimes, between two drinks
01:43 angy not that all my drinks contain alcohol though
01:44 masterofmonks angy: speed may not be willing to, but I can, have, and will again ban entire countries.
01:44 angy then you'll have to ban the US as well
01:44 masterofmonks doable.
01:45 angy most of europe, canada and japan/korea
01:45 masterofmonks Perfectly fine.
01:45 angy I think that all I got in the ip pool
01:45 angy then I'll have to move to ipv6
01:45 angy but I really dislike ipv6
01:46 tlockley why?
01:46 angy you need 128bits buffers!
01:46 tlockley i do agree that hex is annoyting but the spae is huge
01:46 * speedrunnerG55 i wasnt even thinking about that i was talking about the ocatioon that teleportation would happen over te internet. I would ban her(?) ip so she(?) cant teleport to me
01:46 wannabe1987 HIM
01:46 wannabe1987 HIM
01:46 speedrunnerG55 Ok
01:46 * angy pokes speedrunnerG55
01:46 speedrunnerG55 ...
01:46 masterofmonks That isn't a threat BTW, but as a IRCOp there have been issues occasionally.
01:47 wannabe1987 poke him hard!
01:47 speedrunnerG55 No
01:47 angy I know that so well MoM...
01:48 masterofmonks "Well, I just banend russia, china, and ireland." "Ireland?" "Yeah damn scriptkiddies."
01:48 * speedrunnerG55 wants to studdy cisco networking after i pass my a+
01:48 speedrunnerG55 And net+
01:49 angy I used to be very involved into IRC at a time
01:49 angy but way too time consuming
01:49 wannabe1987 speedrunnerG55 my house mate IS studying cisco now :)
01:49 speedrunnerG55 Cool
01:49 masterofmonks There was a time where I dreamed in server events.
01:50 speedrunnerG55 O_o
01:50 masterofmonks And I mean like a 2 year period.
01:50 angy I was more on the network side...
01:51 angy I often dream in C
01:51 masterofmonks As an IRCOp, the network used notices to notify us of *everything*
01:51 angy I once woke up of a compilation nightmare
01:51 angy not everything :) most of the things
01:52 angy you lack some useless daemon informations
01:52 angy but useful once in a while, so you keep them...
01:52 masterofmonks You know that BS scene in The Matrix where Cypher is talking about eventually you get to where you see things in the matrix?
01:52 angy that's my everyday screen
01:53 angy I even change my console color to green
01:53 * lwq1996 pokes wannabe
01:53 masterofmonks I mean the idea of seeing the patterns and ignoring the details.
01:53 wannabe1987 hi lee :)
01:53 masterofmonks It used to be like that.
01:54 angy I know that rather well, I wrote my own interpretation of "tail -F" to be able to coop with that kind of things
01:54 masterofmonks I used to wake up when my system was under heavy load becasue that ment the network was under botnet attack.
01:55 angy I did the same, but not when I was on IRC, when I maintained huge email systems
01:55 lwq1996 im bored any ideas?
01:55 masterofmonks lwq1996: read bash.org?
01:55 angy Since then, I quit that part, the people I had to work with where just idiotic
01:55 angy or xkcd.com
01:56 masterofmonks http://qdb.us/306023
01:57 angy then I quite decided to not being involved in another thing
01:57 angy and I found The Geek Group
01:57 wannabe1987 lol
01:57 masterofmonks And it's down that spiral again.
01:58 angy a little better, at least, I'm not the one designed things
01:58 angy err. correction, I am
01:58 * angy does a split brain
01:58 * lwq1996 beats his head against the wall
01:59 tlockley what sup lwq1996
01:59 * speedrunnerG55 poks Cprossu
02:00 lwq1996 bored em thats whats up
02:00 tlockley i know how you feel
02:01 * angy reconnects his hemispheres together
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02:10 Ponko hey peeps its half time
02:11 * speedrunnerG55 looksa aound
02:11 speedrunnerG55 Oh my Ponko
02:11 tlockley score
02:11 speedrunnerG55 Ponko!!!!
02:11 speedrunnerG55 Where have you been?
02:12 Ponko Packers 28 Saints 17
02:12 Ponko i've been on here
02:12 speedrunnerG55 Oh
02:13 Ponko just quiet is all
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02:15 * speed-mobile kicks his router around
02:15 Ponko lol
02:15 tlockley router giving you hell speed
02:16 * Ponko is glad google chrome crashed AFTER half time
02:17 lwq1996 why ponko
02:18 lwq1996 looks like speeds router hates him
02:18 Ponko what do you mean WHY
02:18 Ponko if it crashed before half time i'd of missed most of the game
02:18 Ponko well
02:18 lwq1996 ponko...calm down you can watch it again
02:19 Ponko how?
02:19 Ponko i'm not in america
02:19 lwq1996 im shure someone has recorded it and upt it up on youtube
02:20 * Ponko thinks lwq1996 has missed ponkos point
02:20 speed-mobile ....
02:21 * speed-mobile throws a football at Ponko
02:21 * Ponko catches instantly
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02:21 tlockley toast
02:22 Toastdude Hi tlockley
02:22 * speed-mobile sits down and thinks, "what this football doing at my desk anyway"
02:22 Ponko it was mine
02:22 Ponko i left it there
02:25 speed-mobile Oh
02:28 Ponko lol
02:28 wannabe1987 i found a city not on google street view o.O
02:31 Ponko so lots of places don't
02:35 tlockley wannabe1987: my street isnt on street view
02:35 wannabe1987 but is your city?
02:36 wannabe1987 but i use street view to find locations before going to a new city :S
02:36 tlockley some of it
02:36 tlockley none of the good places
02:37 speed-mobile wannabe1987: My house is on street view T_T
02:37 lwq1996 mine isnt
02:37 lwq1996 she used mine as a guinipig
02:37 wannabe1987 i don't have your address lee
02:38 wannabe1987 i was talking about greenville tho
02:38 lwq1996 oh
02:38 speed-mobile Greenvil ky?
02:38 lwq1996 my street is 444julia street irvona pa
02:38 wannabe1987 mi
02:38 speed-mobile Oh
02:38 wannabe1987 lee this is publicly logged
02:38 wannabe1987 good going
02:38 lwq1996 so
02:38 wannabe1987 ok
02:39 * wannabe1987 comes and breaks lee free
02:39 lwq1996 like i care...people can come and rape me for all i care....tho they have to get through me and my knife first
02:39 wannabe1987 why would they do that?
02:40 lwq1996 ummm you dont want to here some of the stories my dad tells me
02:43 Cprossu is there any schedule for the streetview sessions so I know when they'll show up again?
02:43 Cprossu I miised my chance for google stupidity years ago
02:43 lwq1996 what
02:43 Cprossu *missed
02:44 lwq1996 like what was it
02:44 Cprossu I had a google banner printed up
02:44 lwq1996 lol....
02:44 lwq1996 and you missed it
02:44 Cprossu yeah they hit phoenix way sooner than I expected
02:44 lwq1996 lol
02:45 * speed-mobile looks around
02:45 * lwq1996 pokes speeds eyes
02:46 speed-mobile Ouch!
02:46 lwq1996 dont be looking around
02:47 speed-mobile ...no
02:49 lwq1996 O.O my bro just started randomly hitting me
02:51 * speed-mobile creates a shield around lwq1996
02:54 wannabe1987 :( poor lee
02:58 lwq1996 lets count how many times chris says. like a boss in the fork lift atopsys
02:58 wannabe1987 no.  lets lay down and get rid of the headache....
02:59 * lwq1996 screams
02:59 wannabe1987 dinner is almost ready tho
02:59 wannabe1987 what?!
02:59 lwq1996 i want to give who ever has the headach a bader one
03:00 wannabe1987 i have a headache.....
03:00 Toastdude Hi lwq1996
03:01 lwq1996 TOAST
03:01 Toastdude LEE
03:03 Ponko hmmmm
03:04 SparkyProjects http://www.damnlol.com/pen​ns-got-it-right-6611.html
03:05 SparkyProjects left #thegeekgroup
03:06 Toastdude PONKO
03:06 Ponko TOASTDUDE
03:06 lwq1996 YOUR MOM
03:06 Toastdude wannabe!
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03:07 Toastdude tonsofpcs: Hi!
03:13 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
03:13 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs!  hi :)
03:17 tlockley gnight
03:18 wannabe1987 night tlockley|sleep  and thanks again
03:19 Toastdude Night tlockley|sleep
03:20 tlockley|sleep your welcome wannabe1987
03:30 lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
03:31 wannabe1987 lee!
03:31 wannabe1987 wb
03:32 * lwq1996 kicks his router
03:32 * Toastdude assists Lee in the kicking of the router
03:33 * wannabe1987 brings sldgehammer
03:33 lwq1996 YAY
03:33 Toastdude Me bring AgCNO6
03:33 Toastdude darn...
03:33 lwq1996 fail
03:33 wannabe1987 lol
03:33 wannabe1987 .element lee-router
03:33 BotSteve Here you go, lee-router, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Rhodium !
03:34 * Toastdude brings a thermonuclear explosive and a spare island in the middle of nowhere
03:34 lwq1996 ok
03:34 Toastdude Lol
03:35 Cprossu wow that's pretty awesome
03:35 Cprossu .element
03:35 BotSteve Here you go, Cprossu, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Zinc !
03:35 Cprossu yay! zinc!
03:36 Toastdude You dodn't know about that?
03:36 Cprossu there's a lot about BotSteve I don't know about.
03:36 Cprossu it's not like he has a proper man page or a howto yet
03:36 Toastdude Oh... Lee and I made it :D
03:36 Toastdude .element Cprossu
03:36 BotSteve Here you go, Cprossu, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Rhodium !
03:36 Cprossu hrmmm
03:36 Cprossu I think
03:37 Cprossu you have an issue with your pseudorandom number generator
03:37 Toastdude Yeah...
03:37 Toastdude .element
03:37 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I'm giving you 20kg. of pure Lutetium !
03:37 wannabe1987 lol
03:37 Cprossu lutetium?!
03:37 Toastdude Hm...
03:37 Toastdude Brb
03:37 Cprossu wtf is that one?
03:37 lwq1996 .sandwich cprossu
03:37 BotSteve IndexError: no such group (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 249, in give_sandwich)
03:37 wannabe1987 o.O
03:37 Cprossu wow.
03:37 lwq1996 BATSTEVE!!!
03:37 wannabe1987 .sandwich lee
03:37 BotSteve IndexError: no such group (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 249, in give_sandwich)
03:38 wannabe1987 fail
03:38 Cprossu ahhhh
03:38 Cprossu atomic 71
03:38 lwq1996 botsteve: tell bat-mobile that the .sandwich code is broken
03:38 BotSteve lwq1996: I'll pass that on when bat-mobile is around.
03:38 Cprossu and it's useless!
03:39 lwq1996 botsteve: tell batsteve that the .sandwich code is broken
03:39 BotSteve lwq1996: I'll pass that on when batsteve is around.
03:39 Cprossu BotSteve: tell toastdude wow, it appears lutetium is rather useless!
03:39 BotSteve Cprossu: I'll pass that on when toastdude is around.
03:40 Toastdude joined #thegeekgroup
03:40 Cprossu haha watching in the logs?
03:40 Cprossu why did you leave?!\
03:41 Cprossu also who is karmicthreat?
03:41 Toastdude Yes, it is rather pointless
03:41 BotSteve Toastdude: I have the following messages for you:
03:41 BotSteve At 03:39Z, Cprossu asked me to tell Toastdude wow, it appears lutetium is rather useless!
03:41 Toastdude I had to restart my computer because the sound was messed up
03:41 lwq1996 lol
03:42 Cprossu ahhh lol
03:42 Toastdude "Europium, Zirconium Lutetium, Vanadium."
03:42 Cprossu I'd rather have zirconium
03:43 Cprossu then I could make my own zircalloy!
03:43 Toastdude (And Lanthanum and Osmium and Astatine and Radium)
03:43 Toastdude Lol
03:43 wannabe1987 CHROMIUM!
03:43 wannabe1987 i got it once
03:43 wannabe1987 i was told to use it as an open source OS
03:43 wannabe1987 :P
03:43 Toastdude I have 15g. oh Gallium :D
03:43 Toastdude *of
03:43 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFIvXVMbII0
03:44 Cprossu don't think I missed the reference Toastdude =P
03:44 BatSteve hi lwq1996
03:44 BotSteve BatSteve: I have the following messages for you:
03:44 BotSteve At 04 Sep 02:47Z, Thermoelectric asked me to ask BatSteve maybe a feature for BotSteve may be a YouTube title grabber? As in someone posts a link and BotSteve announces what the title of it is?
03:44 Toastdude I memerized that song :D
03:44 BotSteve At 06 Sep 16:25Z, Seroster asked me to tell BatSteve Right. Your bot is TOO DAMN CASE SENSITIVE! Beat it to submission you bleepety bleeping bleep!
03:44 BotSteve At 03:39Z, lwq1996 asked me to tell BatSteve that the .sandwich code is broken
03:44 BatSteve .sandwich
03:44 BotSteve OperationalError: near "SELLECT": syntax error (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 258, in give_sandwich)
03:44 BotSteve OperationalError: near "SELLECT": syntax error (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 258, in give_sandwich)
03:44 Cprossu can you play the piano Toastdude?
03:44 Toastdude Kinda...
03:44 lwq1996 lol
03:44 BatSteve gee lwq1996, you're right, the sandwich code is broken
03:44 BatSteve Wasn't that the code that you wrote?
03:45 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
03:45 Toastdude I have Tom Lehrer on my iPod :D
03:45 lwq1996 yes...we fixed it and then idk what went wrong
03:45 Cprossu you need to learn the Major-General's song now Toastdude
03:45 Cprossu lol
03:45 lwq1996 .sandwich
03:45 BotSteve OperationalError: near "SELLECT": syntax error (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 258, in give_sandwich)
03:45 lwq1996 still and error
03:45 Toastdude I listened to it
03:45 * Cprossu high fives Toastdude. We'll all go together when we go!
03:45 BatSteve Yes.  That's because you misspelled SELECT, and I didn't fix your mistake.
03:45 * Toastdude high fives Cprossu
03:46 Toastdude Andrews, unite :P
03:46 lwq1996 ah
03:46 Cprossu if sunday your free, why don't you come with me Toastdude, and we'll
03:46 Toastdude poison the pigions in the park!
03:46 Cprossu and maybe we'll do in a squirrel or two!
03:46 Cprossu while we're
03:46 lwq1996 lol
03:46 Cprossu hehehe
03:46 wannabe1987 hi BatSteve
03:46 Toastdude poisoning pigions in the park
03:47 BatSteve hi wannabe
03:47 wannabe1987 so strange those two
03:47 Cprossu ok we're having too much fun here rofl
03:47 BatSteve so lwq1996, would you like to fix the sandwich code, or should I delete it?
03:47 wannabe1987 o.O
03:47 Toastdude We'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment...
03:47 wannabe1987 lwq1996 fix it!!!!!!!!!!!
03:47 Toastdude :P
03:47 * wannabe1987 goes to go make more food
03:47 wannabe1987 i'll be around
03:47 Cprossu except for the few we take home to experiment!
03:47 Cprossu the sun's shining bright, everything seems all right!
03:48 lwq1996 idc batsteve...do what ever you want
03:48 Toastdude When we're poisoning pigions, it just takes a smidgen to
03:48 BatSteve Well, it's your module, I figured I should ask.
03:48 Cprossu poison a pigeon in the park!
03:48 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
03:48 Toastdude If lee doesn't want to, can I?
03:48 Cprossu ^ for those who think we are crazy
03:49 Toastdude :D
03:49 Cprossu I've got portions of new math memorised
03:49 Toastdude "You can't take 3 from 2, 2 is less than 3, so you look at the four in the eight's place.."
03:49 Cprossu it really screws with math teachers
03:49 Cprossu yeah
03:50 Cprossu remember because it's in base 8.
03:50 Toastdude Now that's really four eights, so you make it 3 eights, regroup, and you change the eight to eight ones...
03:51 Cprossu new math newhoooo math, it won't do you a bit of good to re-view math, it's so simple, so simple
03:51 Cprossu that only a child can do it!
03:51 Ponko WOOOP
03:51 Ponko WHAT A GAME
03:52 Ponko no caps is NOT on
03:52 Cprossu hey Toastdude - Plagiarize!!!
03:52 Ponko BatSteve
03:52 * lwq1996 bitch slaps firefox
03:52 BatSteve Ponko
03:52 Toastdude "Now I've often thought I'd like to write a mathematics textbook, because I know it'll sell a million copies. I'm going to call it 'Tropic of Calculus'"
03:52 Cprossu yeah rofl
03:53 Ponko damn it man you come on at the wrong time
03:53 Cprossu but still
03:53 BatSteve I know it
03:53 Ponko i'm LITERALLY about to go bed
03:54 BatSteve as am I
03:54 Ponko after watching football
03:54 Cprossu night BatSteve
03:54 Cprossu lies Ponko
03:54 BatSteve About 10 minutes from now
03:54 Ponko GREAT GAME
03:54 Ponko what do you mean lie Cprossu?
03:54 Cprossu [20:53] <Ponko> i'm LITERALLY about to go bed
03:54 Toastdude Every day my friend and I sing the element song...
03:54 Ponko well it is true
03:55 Ponko i was gonna say my goodbyes then be off
03:55 Cprossu Toastdude that's the only way I can think of to memorize the damn thing
03:55 Cprossu curse my semi-photographic memory!
03:55 Ponko well anyways i'm off
03:55 Cprossu you know though Toastdude
03:55 Cprossu you forgot to mention
03:55 Toastdude Yeah... I only did memorize it because of him
03:55 Cprossu Base 8 is just like base 10.......
03:55 Ponko anyways goodnight all
03:55 Toastdude If you're missing two fingers!
03:56 Ponko left #thegeekgroup
03:56 Cprossu ! :D !
03:56 Toastdude Night PPonko
03:56 Toastdude :D
03:56 Toastdude *Ponko
03:56 Toastdude We should never have met Cprossu... For the sake of the world :P
03:56 Cprossu oh well
03:57 Cprossu it's doomed now.
03:57 Toastdude For those of you who think I'm crazy...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​8wHDn8LDks8&amp;feature=related
03:57 Toastdude Ah, too late..
03:57 Cprossu or http://curvebank.calstatel​a.edu/newmath/newmath.htm
03:57 Cprossu ^ for the whole thing
03:59 * lwq1996 needs a girlfriend
03:59 lwq1996 god...im so lonely
03:59 Toastdude Me too.....
04:00 * wannabe1987 wonders what she did at your ages w/o a boyfriend
04:00 Cprossu maybe I'll find a girl before I die who shares my interests
04:00 lwq1996 hmmmm wannabe is open
04:00 lwq1996 XD
04:00 lwq1996 i kid
04:00 wannabe1987 o.O
04:00 wannabe1987 i think you'd have to fight cj .....
04:01 BatSteve Cprossu: I hate to be a jerk but you said that and the first thing I thought was "This is The Geek Group - therefore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 "
04:01 Cprossu I said maybe.
04:01 BatSteve Yeah. I think that applies to all of us
04:04 Toastdude Well, I know someone, but shes in high school and I'm in 8th...
04:04 Toastdude But generally, yeah...
04:08 Hackbat I had to use an auto driver program for the first time in ym life
04:08 Cprossu oh that reminds me Toastdude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​KIpr0s52yVk&amp;feature=related
04:09 Toastdude I have to go now. Bye Andrew and BatSteve and wannabe1987 and lwq1996
04:09 Cprossu later Toastdude
04:09 lwq1996 bye toasty
04:10 BatSteve so long toast
04:10 wannabe1987 night andrew
04:18 Cprossu what the hell
04:18 Cprossu someone on youtube sent me a friend invite and I am fucking confused to as why
04:18 lwq1996 who?
04:18 BatSteve somebody set up you the friend
04:18 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/user/pegasusepsilon
04:19 BatSteve oh.  maybe because it's pegasus?
04:19 BatSteve from this channel?
04:19 Cprossu could be
04:19 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/user/ScienceMagazine
04:19 lwq1996 lol yup
04:19 Cprossu ^ I just checked my inbox this one is in there too
04:19 Cprossu well anyway serves me right for not checking
04:20 Cprossu in 3 years
04:21 wannabe1987 owwww
04:21 wannabe1987 my mouth is on fire
04:21 lwq1996 STOP FIRE BREATHING THEN
04:21 lwq1996 lol XD
04:21 lwq1996 :P
04:21 wannabe1987 ....not my fault :P
04:21 wannabe1987 stupid peppers.  they're getting thrown away
04:22 lwq1996 why
04:22 Cprossu lol
04:22 lwq1996 what type are they
04:28 wannabe1987 jalapenos!
04:30 lwq1996 I LOVE THEM...SEND TEM TOO ME
04:30 wannabe1987 no.....
04:30 wannabe1987 i threw them down the drain
04:30 lwq1996 awe
04:31 wannabe1987 evil vile things
04:31 lwq1996 just because you hate them doesnt mean everyone does
04:32 wannabe1987 i know
04:32 wannabe1987 drew loves them
04:32 lwq1996 i love hot peppers
04:33 wannabe1987 i'll buy you some someday
04:33 lwq1996 yay
04:36 wannabe1987 i could plant you some even
04:36 wannabe1987 i hate the side effects gah
04:36 lwq1996 im growing some :P
04:37 wannabe1987 FIRE ON MY FACE
04:37 lwq1996 lol
04:37 BatSteve Drat.  /me can't find any of my fonts
04:37 BatSteve I hope I backed them up.
04:37 BatSteve I particularly miss Consolas.ttf
04:39 wannabe1987 ...
04:39 wannabe1987 ok?
04:40 wannabe1987 whats that like
04:40 BatSteve it's a monospace font, really easy to read
04:40 wannabe1987 ok
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04:40 BatSteve Things like lowercase L are distinguishable from uppercase I
04:40 lwq1996 KATE
04:40 BatSteve Which is a big deal
04:41 wannabe1987 yes.  very big deal
04:41 BatSteve most of the time you can't tell the difference between this l and this I
04:41 wannabe1987 and hi karmicthreat
04:41 wannabe1987 Katemonster*
04:41 wannabe1987 fuck who is karmicthreat?!
04:41 Katemonster hey
04:41 wannabe1987 why is he before Kate?
04:41 Katemonster clearly a karmic threat.
04:41 BatSteve Clearly
04:41 Katemonster because R is before T?
04:41 Katemonster hi batsteve.
04:41 BatSteve heya kate
04:41 Katemonster and hi lwq
04:41 Katemonster is CaptainNiobe here?
04:42 CaptainNiobe i'm here, sorry
04:42 wannabe1987 i don't care.  people who are more talkative should be before those that are not.  screw the alphabet
04:42 CaptainNiobe :-\
04:42 wannabe1987 yay! hi :)
04:42 CaptainNiobe hi lol
04:42 Katemonster LOL thanks wanna.
04:42 Katemonster hi
04:43 CaptainNiobe hey kate :) wazzup?
04:43 Katemonster i poked you on FB.
04:43 BatSteve I wonder if you can order your window like that
04:43 CaptainNiobe oh... kaitlyn?
04:43 BatSteve I know the stack exchange chat channels work that way
04:43 Cprossu so anyone here who has steam fps/shootemup games want to play?
04:43 wannabe1987 so some girls on facebook posted a picture of the toilet with the seat up and how some girl almost fell in cuz she didn't look.  do girls not look before sitting anymor?!
04:43 * Katemonster poke
04:43 Katemonster http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_F2J0cH7F​2FQ/Sl_wD3WlphI/AAAAAAAAFRo/N9IDG7​yvstU/s320/tonberry+papercraft.JPG
04:43 Katemonster 9999
04:43 Katemonster Game over.
04:44 Cprossu wannabe1987: they tent to walk into telephone poles and in front of cars while texting too
04:44 Cprossu *tent=tend
04:44 wannabe1987 o god yes
04:45 CaptainNiobe added and pokjed :P
04:45 CaptainNiobe poked*
04:45 Katemonster ow
04:45 Cprossu we only tent to pokjed things.
04:45 CaptainNiobe you poked meh first, so don't complain :P
04:45 wannabe1987 Katemonster why do i keep thinking you're from british columbia?!
04:46 Cprossu there's a bad taste joke in there somewhere
04:46 Katemonster because i'm awesome?
04:46 CaptainNiobe lol
04:46 wannabe1987 ....
04:46 wannabe1987 canadians aren't typically awesome
04:47 CaptainNiobe they really need to change the "poke" thing, i think... lol... change it to prodded maybe?
04:47 wannabe1987 lol
04:47 Katemonster i don't think that would be much better.
04:47 CaptainNiobe btw, which one just sent me a friends' request on fb?
04:47 lwq1996 or to creeping maby
04:47 wannabe1987 me
04:47 lwq1996 add me captain niobe
04:48 CaptainNiobe "prodded" doesn't have adult connotations like "poked" does lol
04:48 lwq1996 www.facebook.com/lwq1996
04:48 wannabe1987 sorry CaptainNiobe
04:48 wannabe1987 i stalk
04:48 lwq1996 me too :P
04:48 Katemonster i think it depends on local dialect.
04:48 CaptainNiobe sorry? and hold on lee
04:48 wannabe1987 yes, but lwq1996 i found her, instead of having to be found
04:48 Katemonster also my generation seems to have turned everything in the language into a sexual euphemism.
04:48 wannabe1987 o god yes
04:49 CaptainNiobe lee, kelly, both of you are now friended on fb
04:49 wannabe1987 yay!
04:49 CaptainNiobe :)
04:50 wannabe1987 when do affects of jalapeno peppers go away?
04:50 lwq1996 yay
04:50 CaptainNiobe so kate, how'd you find me in the first place, other than by trawling through chris's friends' list? :P
04:50 Katemonster wannabe1987: in about 7 years.
04:50 wannabe1987 i do that sometimes....
04:50 wannabe1987 damn.
04:50 lwq1996 drink milk wannabe
04:50 wannabe1987 i did, lee.  its my nose
04:50 Katemonster um, it was mostly the Niobe avatar that gave it away.
04:51 lwq1996 ah
04:51 CaptainNiobe ahh... fair enough... lol... i use that or another version everywhere i go...
04:51 BatSteve wannabe1987: eat crackers & drink milk
04:51 wannabe1987 crackers?
04:52 wannabe1987 i did milk....but how do crackers help my nose...i touched it with my fingers after cutting the pepper
04:52 wannabe1987 ITS ON FIRE
04:52 wannabe1987 o shit
04:52 wannabe1987 i have to get up earlier....and shower
04:52 wannabe1987 fuck
04:53 BatSteve Crackers help your mouth, not your nose
04:53 BatSteve Your nose is on its own
04:53 wannabe1987 my mouth is fine
04:54 CaptainNiobe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n43IeJcslVw
04:54 CaptainNiobe one of my all-time fave vids - cat vs. printer. printer wins :P
04:56 Seroster joined #thegeekgroup
04:56 BatSteve howdy Seroster
04:56 CaptainNiobe hey Seroster
04:56 wannabe1987 poor cat
04:56 CaptainNiobe lol
04:56 Seroster Ahoy batsteve and 'stralian =)
04:56 CaptainNiobe pwned cat you mean :P
04:57 wannabe1987 but i agree....printers SUCK
04:57 CaptainNiobe g'day, weed :P
04:57 Seroster ^^
04:57 wannabe1987 weed?
04:57 Seroster Inside joke
04:57 wannabe1987 parently
04:57 CaptainNiobe swede = 'wede = weed
04:58 wannabe1987 lol
04:58 wannabe1987 is he smokin?
04:58 CaptainNiobe no
04:58 wannabe1987 can we smoke him?
04:58 CaptainNiobe he called me 'stralian so i call him weed (was gonna be 'wede til i saw how weed would go lol)
04:59 Serostern joined #thegeekgroup
04:59 wannabe1987 its his evil twin Serostern!
04:59 CaptainNiobe LOL!!!
04:59 iSasha joined #thegeekgroup
04:59 * CaptainNiobe returns to minecraft, laughing
05:00 Katemonster i
05:00 Katemonster what?
05:00 wannabe1987 mine craft?
05:00 Katemonster tonight sucks.
05:00 wannabe1987 howso?
05:01 BatSteve Serostern: I'm going to bed.  Not your fault.  Wish I could stay up longer and talk.
05:01 BatSteve everyone else, g'night!
05:02 wannabe1987 night BatSteve
05:02 wannabe1987 sleep well
05:02 Serostern Aw
05:02 Serostern Cya BatSteve
05:02 Serostern Wanna know the great thing?
05:02 Serostern I just got up
05:02 Serostern And going to school
05:02 iSasha .seen iSasha
05:02 BotSteve iSasha: I last saw isasha 12.74 hours ago at 2011-09-08 16:18:25 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:02:59 UTC
05:03 iSasha O fly? It felt like I slept for like only 5 hours….
05:03 Seroster Heh
05:03 Seroster BatSteve, the only relief is that I can fuck with the less intelligent of my classmates.
05:04 BatSteve (:
05:04 BatSteve Always fun
05:04 Seroster Not really.
05:04 BatSteve Sometimes fun.
05:04 Seroster I feel like I'm knocking out the retarded kid's milk. But still..
05:05 CaptainNiobe wannabe1987: http://www.minecraft.net/
05:08 CaptainNiobe i kinda played it for 36 hours without sleep yesterday/day before... lol... oops...
05:09 lwq1996 WANNABE??????
05:09 Katemonster SNAAAAAAAAAKE
05:10 BatSteve SANTAAAAAAA!   http://www.superfundungeonrun.com/MerryGear.zip
05:10 Seroster Dang CaptainNiobe
05:10 Seroster You need a husband to cook for:O
05:11 * Seroster pushes sparkyprojects towards CaptainNiobe
05:11 Seroster Cya BatSteve-Away, sweet dreams
05:11 CaptainNiobe fuck that, i don't cook for anyone, bar me... i'm not housewife material...
05:11 CaptainNiobe and i already told you, me and pj aren't ever going to happen...
05:12 * Katemonster pushes seroster toward a claymore mine
05:12 Seroster Lol
05:12 * CaptainNiobe giggles
05:12 Seroster And I suppose you are already aware I just said that to tease you? =P
05:12 CaptainNiobe i know :P
05:12 Seroster Arrrr
05:13 Seroster Breakfast time
05:14 CaptainNiobe lol... i've been up since about 4:30 am my time, it's 11 hours later and i'm not hungry yet lol
05:15 lwq1996 ita 1:15am my time
05:18 CaptainNiobe i gotta mine more stone, i STILL don't have enough to finish my roof... after all the stone i got in the mine, and now i'm collecting in dribs and drabs... *sighs and runs off to mine, in spite of small death risk in recently uncovered lave pool*
05:20 tonsofpcs I guess my internet went out earlier....
05:20 Katemonster no pain no gain.  and there's no pain like falling into a volcano.
05:21 lwq1996 or falling off a roof
05:21 CaptainNiobe lol... except in this game, when you die you loose your entire inventory... so... lol...
05:21 CaptainNiobe lose*
05:22 lwq1996 like runescape
05:23 CaptainNiobe idk, never played runescape and never will... heard to many things...
05:24 lwq1996 lol....i quit....it got boring
05:26 Katemonster i refuse to play minecraft on the basis that it is awesome and will probably consume my life
05:26 lwq1996 lol yup
05:26 Seroster Stupid damn cats
05:27 lwq1996 lol what happened
05:27 Seroster Walking into the kitchen
05:27 Seroster "FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOOOOOD!!!!!"
05:27 Katemonster i stopped playing Spiral Knights because i realized there was no point to the whole thing.
05:27 lwq1996 cat scratch?
05:27 lwq1996 lol ive done that to runescape
05:27 Seroster Trying to get to the cat food, and they run around my legs so I can barely get there
05:27 lwq1996 lol how many cats do u have
05:28 Seroster So I finally get to the food, pick a tin, turn around, step on one (and he aint happy about it)
05:28 Seroster I try to get to the feeding place, but BOTH cats run around my legs again
05:28 lwq1996 how mnay cats tho
05:28 Seroster Gently push them out of the way, put some food on the plate
05:28 Seroster 2
05:28 lwq1996 3-4
05:28 lwq1996 ah
05:29 Seroster But since they move faster than light they create the illusion of being at least a dozen
05:29 lwq1996 lol
05:34 Katemonster cat scratch fever?
05:34 Katemonster .yt cat scratch fever
05:34 BotSteve Katemonster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIl3AAVdZ3o
05:35 Katemonster oh man Golden Earring.  now i have to listen to that
05:35 Katemonster .yt Radar Love
05:35 BotSteve Katemonster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeRa3RtBiIU
05:36 Seroster Err
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05:37 * CaptainNiobe dams up lava in minecraft then digs mine - cautiously
05:37 * Katemonster blows the dam
05:38 Katemonster MUAHAHAHA
05:38 CaptainNiobe one great thing about lava is, it's its own lightsource... i don't need any torches atm :P
05:38 Katemonster lol
05:38 CaptainNiobe and it's night
05:39 Seroster http://xkcd.com/223/ <3
05:40 Katemonster .yt Love Stinks
05:40 BotSteve Katemonster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LAs7X5ybE
05:41 CaptainNiobe the other great thing about lava in minecraft is, it's responsible for the strongest stone in the game, obsidian... i'm gonna have to bucket some lava later and see if i can get an obsidian farm to work... once i go into smp mode, i'm gonna be fighting creepers, those sobs explode, and obsidian stone withstands the blast... :)
05:42 lwq1996 i think photonicinduction has goten crazier
05:42 Seroster Lol CaptainNiobe
05:42 Seroster Stupider, lwq1996 *
05:42 Seroster And CaptainNiobe, here's one for you http://xkcd.com/320/
05:42 Seroster Adnd m
05:42 Seroster e
05:42 Seroster To sum up... I gotta go. Cya folks
05:43 CaptainNiobe oh, lee, did you suggest me as a friend to freakin' eakin?
05:43 lwq1996 seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v​=b0QM8SQc0dg&amp;feature=feedu
05:43 lwq1996 yes
05:43 lwq1996 like to everyone
05:43 CaptainNiobe ok, he just requested, thanks
05:43 Seroster lwq1996, I am not in the mood to watch an idiot before I go to school where I have to be around idiots for 8 hours.
05:43 lwq1996 yup
05:43 lwq1996 lol
05:44 lwq1996 who teachers
05:44 S^Away ...The teacher
05:44 S^Away DERP
05:44 * S^Away kicks lwq1996
05:45 CaptainNiobe weed's gotta go to school... aww... MWAHAHAHAHAHA! :P
05:46 lwq1996 wtf....you can have 3 arcs at once
05:46 CaptainNiobe ?
05:46 lwq1996 got to photonicinductions channel
05:47 lwq1996 you will see what i mean
05:47 CaptainNiobe i'll do that later... and probs bug him about it via pm... :P
05:47 lwq1996 lol
05:48 CaptainNiobe he's a nice guy to talk to, had a few pms with him...
05:48 lwq1996 cool
05:48 lwq1996 im just confused how arcs work now...because i thought you could only have 1 arc
05:49 lwq1996 but he had three going
05:49 Katemonster magic.
05:49 Katemonster that's how.
05:50 * pegasus yawns
05:50 Katemonster http://i.imgur.com/9ffig.jpg
05:50 lwq1996 he scares the shit out of me with the things he does
05:51 CaptainNiobe i'm not an expert (truthfully, i don't know that much, but i am learning), but i'm pretty sure the more juice you put through it, the more the potential for throwing more than one arc at a time...
06:02 Katemonster i am an expert.  just not on that.
06:02 lwq1996 lol
06:05 Katemonster (guess what i am an expert on.)
06:06 lwq1996 lesbian sex?
06:06 pegasus being a monster?
06:06 lwq1996 XD
06:06 lwq1996 being a bitch
06:06 Katemonster yes yes and yes but not what i was thinking of.
06:06 CaptainNiobe this mine is one hell of a long way down (for me)... too bad i'm going further, all the way down to bedrock (the bottom most in-game layer) if i can help it... then i'm gonna fill it up again with dirt, extracting ores out of the walls ont eh way back up... lol... big job, but it's keeping me occupied... :D
06:07 pegasus niobe: straight down?
06:07 lwq1996 lol
06:07 lwq1996 yup
06:07 lwq1996 minecraft beta i supose
06:09 CaptainNiobe yup, only brought it on tuesday (monday for you)
06:09 lwq1996 cool
06:09 lwq1996 i want beta but dont want to pay for it
06:10 tonsofpcs http://bit.ly/ncwvR2 << here's where I live (well, kinda, I live up a hill north of most of this mess)
06:11 CaptainNiobe it's a once-off payment... that's why i bought it, if it was a monthly cost, i wouldn't, but since it's once-off... all good... :)
06:11 lwq1996 i got $20 for spare and to save
06:12 Katemonster niobe, i am above the concept of days.
06:13 CaptainNiobe lol... lee, it cost me $20.58 aud... lol... kate, pardon?
06:14 Katemonster "on tuesday (monday for you)"
06:14 Katemonster where i am, it's always monday morning.
06:14 Katemonster >:(
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06:14 CaptainNiobe oh... lol... that is because i'm pretty sure lee's behind me... but it may have been early tuesday for him too... it's hard to relate sometimes... lol...
06:15 * lwq kicks his fucking router
06:15 BotSteve lwq: I have the following messages for you:
06:15 BotSteve At 08 Sep 21:52Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell lwq to talk to me when he gets back
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06:15 lwq lee?
06:15 lwq which lee
06:15 lwq me lee?
06:15 lwq or another lee?
06:16 lwq1996 i should go to bed
06:17 CaptainNiobe only one lee i know of in this channel... lol...
06:17 Katemonster yes, you should.
06:17 Katemonster my point niobe is, i wouldn't worry about it too much.
06:18 lwq1996 sorry what are we talking about becase i missed stuff because of router issues
06:18 CaptainNiobe lol... yeah, i know... lol... thanks...
06:18 CaptainNiobe timezones... kinda...
06:19 lwq1996 ah
06:19 * CaptainNiobe grins at the unexpected cavern self didn't fall into unexpectedly
06:19 * lwq1996 kicks his router for good measure before going to bed
06:20 lwq1996 kate.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E​0LAs7X5ybE&amp;feature=youtu.be
06:20 Katemonster we were talking about how you're way behind all of us.
06:20 lwq1996 lol
06:20 Katemonster what about it.  i linked to that earlier
06:20 Katemonster and it does.
06:20 lwq1996 ik
06:21 lwq1996 it showed up in my news feed
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06:21 lwq1996 WANNABE
06:21 lwq1996 -HUGS-
06:21 wannabe1987 yay my internet works again
06:21 lwq1996 SHOULD I GO TO BED
06:21 CaptainNiobe goodnight lee, sleep well and sweet dreams, okays?
06:22 wannabe1987 lol lee go to facebook
06:22 lwq1996 botsteve should i stay up for 5more min
06:22 BotSteve Maybe
06:22 lwq1996 yay
06:22 wannabe1987 yes.  talk to me :)
06:22 Katemonster lee: YES.  GO SLEEP ALREADY.
06:23 * CaptainNiobe gets bored of mining; returns to house to finish putting the roof on
06:24 lwq1996 lol
06:25 Katemonster niobe, you should put in a fireplace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs
06:28 wannabe1987 hmmmm the alarm is going off in 6 hours....
06:28 * exor674 hugs wannabeeeee!
06:28 pegasus http://www.groovyjava.com/games/lights-out/ -- 7 moves.
06:28 wannabe1987 eeee its exor674!
06:29 * lwq1996 is sad now....**le sigh**
06:29 * wannabe1987 hugs lee
06:29 * lwq1996 starts to cry
06:30 wannabe1987 no please don't
06:30 CaptainNiobe HAHA! lesson one: NEVER build your house/fort out of flammable materials! LOL!!!
06:31 CaptainNiobe he would have been better having it out in the open, the infinate fire thing does work, the issue in that vid was, flammible materials too close to teh stone surrounding the fire (more)
06:31 wannabe1987 lwq1996 - you gonna be ok?
06:31 lwq1996 hopefully
06:32 lwq1996 i dont feel like going ot school tomorrow
06:33 wannabe1987 why don't people respond when one cares?  seriously!  (not directed at anyone here)
06:34 wannabe1987 lwq1996 then don't go?
06:34 CaptainNiobe the reason an infinite fire works is, when you light the material, the stone burns for a short time, then extinguishes itself, leaving the log burning but the surrounding area not... in that video, there was too much flammable material where it could catch from the stone, had he moved it to set the fire, he would have been right, he would have had his never-ending flame (never-ending because it needs flammable m
06:34 wannabe1987 :P
06:36 pegasus so bored.
06:39 CaptainNiobe lol... oh, wow, that's dark... if i were playing anything other than peaceful mode, mobs would be spawning in my home... LOL!!!
06:41 wannabe1987 ZOMBIES!
06:43 CaptainNiobe not sure... probs more likely spiders, skeletons and spider-jockeys (skeletons that ride spiders)
06:45 * wannabe1987 throws rocks at boys, but not a lwq1996
06:45 wannabe1987 or cj....def not at cj
06:45 * pegasus is pelted with rocks
06:47 wannabe1987 sorry pegasus
06:47 pegasus not bothered.
06:48 wannabe1987 lol ok
06:48 * Katemonster throws rocks at lwq
06:48 wannabe1987 certian xbfs are being stupid
06:48 lwq1996 BITCH
06:48 wannabe1987 Kate! how dare you do such a thing :O
06:48 Katemonster don't forget it.
06:48 wannabe1987 lol
06:49 Katemonster hey, don't blame me.  wannabe created an imbalance in the universe.
06:49 Katemonster and nature abhors a teenager.  or was it vacuum
06:49 * wannabe1987 did no such thing
06:49 lwq1996 BITCH NEVER TALK ABOUT MY FRIENDS LIKE THAT
06:50 * lwq1996 hugs wannabe and knocks out kate
06:50 Katemonster u mad bro?
06:50 Katemonster god you're dumb.
06:50 lwq1996 im bored....
06:50 wannabe1987 sleep?
06:50 * CaptainNiobe waits for furnace to finish smelting a ton
06:51 wannabe1987 ton of ?
06:52 CaptainNiobe sand into glass... lol...
06:52 wannabe1987 ah
06:52 wannabe1987 could be coal into diamond!
06:52 wannabe1987 it *is* minecraft
06:53 Katemonster turning coal into diamond requires a bit more than heat.
06:53 wannabe1987 shhhhh
06:53 wannabe1987 pressure too!
06:53 CaptainNiobe it's not good defence-wise, but it's great for knowing if it's daytime outide or not... lol...
06:53 CaptainNiobe and no, you mine both coal AND diamond... i just don't have any diamond as of yet, haven't come across any (it *is* there, but it's practically an infinate world to explore, so... lol...)
06:54 wannabe1987 i know its there...i've watched people play minecraft
06:54 wannabe1987 i should play myself but that'd be bad
06:54 pegasus there is no A in "infinite"
06:54 CaptainNiobe addiction problems? :P
06:54 wannabe1987 to the internet, yes
06:54 wannabe1987 hello, its 3am and i have to be up in 5.5 hours :P
06:54 Katemonster seriously annoyed that i can't find anywhere to stream Burn Notice season 5
06:55 CaptainNiobe i have the same problem... blame lemming for my new minecraft addiction... lol...
06:55 Katemonster i don't want to have to torrent it.
06:55 wannabe1987 i have to go drive 45 min north, pick up two friends and come back
06:55 lwq1996 i have to be up in 3:30 hours
06:55 wannabe1987 its all lemmings fault
06:55 wannabe1987 go to bed then :)
06:55 lwq1996 i will
06:55 lwq1996 i am
06:55 wannabe1987 :) ok
06:55 lwq1996 night everyone
06:55 wannabe1987 sleep well friend
06:55 CaptainNiobe night lee, sleep well and sweet dreams :)
06:56 lwq-sleeping lol if i sleep at all with all the things i got to thing about tonight
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06:57 * wannabe-zz pokes CaptainNiobe night!
06:58 CaptainNiobe night wannabe-zz, you sleep well and sweet dreams too... :)
06:58 lwq-sleeping night people
06:58 wannabe-zz i'll have a great day tomorrow :D
06:58 wannabe-zz (theres fireworks at the end of the day....)
06:58 * CaptainNiobe prods wannabe-zz back
06:58 CaptainNiobe :P
06:58 wannabe-zz :P
07:02 tonsofpcs fireworks?
07:02 wannabe-zz yes.  the loud sparkly kind
07:03 * lwq-sleeping hugs everyone night
07:04 lwq-sleeping i loged off wannabe so if you need me it will have to be posted here
07:04 lwq-sleeping night all
07:04 * lwq-sleeping closes laptop and grabs pillow
07:27 tonsofpcs g'nite
07:27 tonsofpcs I think I should probably sleep too, might have to work today....
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09:13 [psy] \o/
09:13 [psy] saw you guys on photonic induction :)
09:21 pegasus there's nobody home
09:21 pegasus 5am lab time
09:23 [psy] yeah i know :)
09:23 [psy] but they'll probably see later
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09:25 Sgt_Lemming evening all
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09:37 killakee greetings
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09:58 killakee what is that walkietalkie sound stuff on geekgroup live video live stream?
10:10 pegasus probably a ham radio
10:50 killakee thanx.. i thought is was from the geekgroup hehe..
10:52 lwq-sleeping hi
10:54 lwq1996 hello people...what a fucking horible day its turning out to be already
10:54 Sgt_Lemming mmm?
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11:31 Sgt_Lemming fscking lol
11:31 Sgt_Lemming "It moved... I may have peed a little"
11:32 Cj1corbystarlet yes i giggled too
11:33 Cj1corbystarlet A 6 foot piece of water pipe would have helped, but thats a tradie thing
11:34 iSasha Oh hai
11:34 iSasha Anyone know how to enhance text :P?
11:43 Cj1corbystarlet Caps lock ?
12:08 yNos|away HI ALL!!!
12:10 Sgt_Lemming lo yNos
12:10 Sgt_Lemming so... got my new server tonight
12:10 Sgt_Lemming fscking thing only has 4GB ram not 16GB
12:10 Sgt_Lemming already contacted the guy and he is gonna look at the other one he has and see if it has the 16GB in it
12:12 Sgt_Lemming thankfully, he's in the same city, I have his home address, work name and phone number
12:12 Sgt_Lemming so he really can't scam me
12:12 yNos thats cool at least
12:12 Sgt_Lemming yeah
12:12 yNos what are you going to run that needs 16 gig?
12:12 Sgt_Lemming hopefully get it sorted tomorrow
12:12 Sgt_Lemming minecraft servers
12:12 Sgt_Lemming 2, perhaps more
12:12 yNos vm host?
12:13 Sgt_Lemming nope
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12:13 Sgt_Lemming no VT on the cpu's afaik
12:13 yNos ah
12:13 Sgt_Lemming but the servers have lots of players, and just a few plugins running
12:13 Sgt_Lemming 88 of them to be exact...
12:13 yNos oh
12:14 Sgt_Lemming current server is a dual Xeon 3.06GHz with 2GB of ram, not keeping up at all
12:14 yNos what is flat topping, memory or proc?
12:15 Sgt_Lemming both
12:15 Sgt_Lemming we have the minecraft server set to use no more than 1.8GB, to allow some left over for basic system tasks
12:15 yNos is lack of ram causeing swapping, killing the proc io?
12:15 Sgt_Lemming it chews that and asks for seconds, then the cpu's are regularly getting topped out
12:16 Sgt_Lemming doesn't seem to be swapping much
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12:16 Sgt_Lemming it's java based...
12:16 yNos fckjava
12:16 * Sgt_Lemming nods
12:16 yNos problem one
12:17 Sgt_Lemming oh how I long for a nice c++ based server
12:17 Sgt_Lemming with some decent optimization
12:17 Sgt_Lemming it is handling a rather phenomonal amount of data
12:17 yNos java should never be used to provide a service
12:17 Sgt_Lemming 800 x 800 x 128 blocks + lighting + physics for each player
12:17 yNos imho
12:18 Sgt_Lemming oh yes, I loathe java
12:18 Sgt_Lemming but in this case really don't have a choice
12:19 Sgt_Lemming java 1.7 is supposed to improve things quite a bit, and am planning to test it on this server, but until I've given the ram a thorough THOROUGH testing, not installing crap on it
12:24 yNos am doing an implementation review right now...
12:24 Sgt_Lemming mmm?
12:24 yNos for a disaster recovery test
12:25 Sgt_Lemming fun fun
12:25 yNos l
12:25 yNos o
12:25 yNos a
12:25 yNos d
12:25 yNos s
12:25 yNos DR: - because if you dont test it, you dont know if it works.
12:26 Sgt_Lemming yeah
12:26 Sgt_Lemming seen the bad side of that
12:27 Sgt_Lemming 40KVA generator that hadn't been started for two years...
12:27 yNos what?
12:27 yNos really?
12:27 Sgt_Lemming yes
12:28 Sgt_Lemming it started, ran, they throttled it up... it siezed
12:28 yNos we have 4 12cy cat gennys, they all start up at 6:15am sunday morning.
12:28 yNos run for 45 minutes
12:28 yNos then shutdown..
12:28 Sgt_Lemming yeah
12:29 yNos they run no load
12:29 Sgt_Lemming when this sized, the generator moved 5 feet sideways... some genius had hooked it in to the building with bus bars...
12:30 yNos great...
12:30 Thermoelectric Sounds like some engineering marvel right there.
12:30 Sgt_Lemming the bus bars were still live, and they touched :-D
12:30 yNos oy
12:31 yNos was it a lesson in leading?
12:31 yNos &&learning
12:31 yNos to weld that is
12:31 Sgt_Lemming this is the wonderful things that happen when the biggest bank in the country, cheaps out on I.T.
12:32 yNos what bank is that?
12:32 Thermoelectric Why were the bus bars live? Wouldn't the genny start up after the power dropped?
12:32 Sgt_Lemming commonwealth bank
12:33 Sgt_Lemming genny was started by the UPS remotely
12:33 Sgt_Lemming bus bars were on the input to the UPS, after the main input breakers
12:33 Sgt_Lemming really, REALLY crappy system
12:33 Sgt_Lemming also way underspec for what ended up being in the DC
12:34 Sgt_Lemming the aircon was fun, if one of the three aircon units went down, we had 8 hours to get it running again before things started shutting down from overheating
12:34 Thermoelectric Ah... So it started up while there was still mains?
12:34 Sgt_Lemming originally it was supposed to be two could handle the load indefinitely, 1 could handle the load for 24 hours
12:34 Sgt_Lemming yeah Thermoelectric
12:35 yNos our air handlers use the chilled water lines from the building's cooling pond
12:35 yNos so we run blowers and water pumps.
12:35 yNos no compressors.
12:36 Sgt_Lemming someone disabled the part of the UPS that was supposed to start the gene weekly, cause people in the building complained about the noise, and they figured out it cost them like $6000 a year in fuel
12:36 yNos less energy consumption.
12:36 yNos $6k in diesel for testing?
12:36 yNos how much do they lose when it doesnt work?
12:36 * Sgt_Lemming nods
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12:37 Sgt_Lemming that was my argument for testing it
12:37 Sgt_Lemming they sorta went "oh yeah" and let me setup a test for it
12:37 yNos how much do they pay for business insurance
12:37 yNos ?
12:37 Sgt_Lemming fuck knows, this was a while ago though
12:37 yNos ah
12:38 Sgt_Lemming the problems all started cause they replaced all the old dual pII 5ru servers, with a crapload of quad p4 Xeon 2ru servers
12:38 Sgt_Lemming they had great redundancy in the servers and network, just they completely overlook facilities
12:38 Sgt_Lemming overlooked*
12:40 Sgt_Lemming oh I should also mention the basically built the building around the generator, they had to take out part of the carpark wall to get it out after it went bang :-P
12:41 yNos great..
12:41 yNos for ours, they'd have to take out part of a hill..
12:41 Sgt_Lemming heh
12:41 Sgt_Lemming yes, but let me guess, you have three or four of them? and can afford for one to be down?
12:42 yNos there was building there, but they took it down and left the genny hut.. then covered it with dirt to "add greenspace"
12:42 yNos because that is the trendy thing to do
12:42 yNos to pump up your green image
12:42 Sgt_Lemming yeah
12:42 Sgt_Lemming seen the designs for apples new building in Santa Clara?
12:43 yNos the doughnut?
12:43 yNos just renders, nothing that shows where a NOC would be
12:43 yNos because infrastcuture isnt sexy
12:43 yNos neigher is spelling ;)
12:44 yNos *neither
12:46 Sgt_Lemming heh
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12:46 Sgt_Lemming yeah, it's pretty nutso
12:46 Sgt_Lemming like most buildings, NOC wil probably stuck in some dark and dingy corner
12:46 Sgt_Lemming oh wait, no corners, err....
12:48 Seroster Arry
12:48 Seroster CaptainNiobe,
12:48 CaptainNiobe yeah, wuzzup sero?
12:52 yNos :D
12:52 yNos meeting over
12:52 angy a meeting? before 11am? you're mad
12:52 Seroster Arrrr
12:52 Seroster Done any fun drugs lately?
12:52 * CaptainNiobe is lost
12:52 CaptainNiobe what meeting?
12:53 yNos this one started at 8am :(
12:54 angy ouch
12:54 yNos it was a disaster recover test planning meeting
12:54 angy that if you really test one day:)
12:54 yNos we test next weekend
12:54 Sgt_Lemming when is the test yNos?
12:54 Sgt_Lemming heh
12:54 angy yey!
12:54 Sgt_Lemming bit nervous?
12:54 yNos we pull the power plug on the other datacenter
12:55 yNos no, we do them 4 times a year
12:55 Sgt_Lemming cool
12:55 * CaptainNiobe blinks
12:55 Sgt_Lemming that's awesome
12:55 angy at least, you test your plans
12:55 yNos not really.. infrastucture guys dont get sundays off
12:55 yNos we should only test it 2 times/year
12:55 yNos one for wach NOC
12:55 yNos imho
12:56 yNos **each NOC
12:56 Sgt_Lemming sigh
12:56 angy the fun thing is that it may not even work in the real case
12:56 Sgt_Lemming still so damned annoyed about this server
12:57 yNos i havent had 2 consecutive days off in months..
12:57 Sgt_Lemming was hoping to get a memtest done over night and while I'm at work tomorrow, no point if it's not the right RAM
12:57 angy exact opposite here
12:57 yNos when i started here there were 6 unix admins... now there are only 2 of us.
12:57 yNos with more servers..
12:58 angy and no one learn how to be a unix person nowadays
12:58 yNos only diff is they are in superdomes instead of hundreds of stand alone machines.
12:58 yNos not many people want to learn how to be good at a unice
12:59 angy you have to have that self-inflecting wound part of you to do unices
13:00 yNos yupyup
13:00 yNos at least we have gotten rid of our VMS stuff
13:00 yNos and after last year, our ultrix stuff is gone
13:00 angy lovely VAX...
13:01 yNos was VMS on alpha
13:01 angy I ove alpha,  hate VAX
13:02 yNos g'mon, real h4x0rZ use VMS
13:03 Sgt_Lemming BeOs ftw :-P
13:03 angy you forgot to use the past tense there yNos
13:04 yNos yeah, 30 years past tense
13:04 angy I'm not _that_ old!
13:04 yNos neither am i
13:04 yNos but that is what i heard all the time in school
13:05 yNos because the teacher fancied himself as a "vms guy"
13:05 angy poor guy
13:05 yNos he was a vms guy like a windows person can be a dos guy
13:05 angy hahaha
13:05 yNos he needed a ui
13:06 angy I need an UI for the internet, all other things are done in a console
13:06 angy mainly using the awesome zsh
13:06 yNos i use the shit out of ksh
13:07 angy that was my previous shell
13:07 yNos any borne derivitave shell can be called home.
13:07 angy up until I discovered zsh
13:07 * Sgt_Lemming hugs his ZFS based file server
13:07 yNos all hp scripts require your shell to be ksh.. otherwise they dont work all that well
13:08 angy that is correct
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13:08 angy I just need now an ibm Z/series and I have all my z-things
13:09 angy szh, zfs, z/series
13:09 angy fun fact is you can make zsh act as a copy of bach or tcsh
13:09 angy I don't know about ksh, don't have scripts that needs it
13:10 yNos HP has a couple addons that are ksh specific
13:11 angy they do it rather specific for nearly all their things
13:13 yNos pita
13:13 angy that's to justify the cost of the support
13:13 yNos makes it hard to use different shells or get some sort of portability
13:13 yNos we rarely need software support.
13:13 pegasus http://www.straightdope.com/columns/re​ad/1536/whats-the-origin-of-coons-age
13:13 yNos hardware support is  more common
13:14 angy if you got itanium super dome, you may be able to do portability, in the next 2,000 years
13:14 angy if you're on PA-RISC, you may dream of it
13:14 yNos we have 4 itanium superdome2s - filled to the gills.
13:14 yNos and one old pa dome
13:15 pegasus GNU bash, version 3.1.17(2)-release (i486-slackware-linux-gnu)
13:15 pegasus don't need no stinkin' zsh
13:15 Sgt_Lemming i486....
13:15 pegasus or csh or tcsh or ksh
13:16 pegasus i486 binaries shipped with slack 12
13:16 pegasus had no need to upgrade bash since
13:16 Sgt_Lemming ok
13:19 angy PA-RISC are very nice processors, just a little bit outdated, even when they came out for the last couple of series
13:21 Sgt_Lemming Transmeta Crusoe is still one of the chips that make me go "wow"
13:22 angy for me, it's Alpha, the last processor designed by hand
13:22 Sgt_Lemming err, I thought that honor went to the original SPARC
13:22 Sgt_Lemming also, amusing one, spell SPARC backwards :-P
13:23 angy :)
13:23 angy spart was designed in 1987-ish
13:23 angy DEC alpha is 1992
13:23 Sgt_Lemming kk
13:24 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC2felZpp64
13:24 angy it came out at like 200MHz in 1992!
13:25 pegasus "how is that possible" - snorkel.
13:26 yNos yeah
13:26 yNos ignore the commentary
13:26 yNos guy is a yutz
13:27 angy I want an alpha workstation
13:28 yNos i thought ut would be cool to have one..
13:29 angy I had one, but it never booted up
13:29 yNos make a vms system just to play with it.. since the only one i have been on as production and "untouchable"
13:29 yNos still have it?
13:29 angy try FreeVMS :p
13:29 angy I don't know, I'll have to dig into my basement
13:32 angy I should try to get it running when I'll be back
13:32 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDW27KwBdbY
13:32 Seroster Baconbaconbacon
13:33 yNos angy, what db does bocsy use?
13:33 angy mysql currently
13:33 angy and a part use sqlite
13:34 angy we might go to postresql
13:35 angy Oracle is not an option :p
13:35 yNos damn straight
13:35 angy the sqlite part may go to tokyocabinet
13:36 yNos i want to setup an ldap backend that uses the same auth info as bocsy... attempting to make a single sign on system.
13:36 yNos for ccomputers/fileshares -etc
13:36 angy just use a SOAP backend
13:37 yNos .g SOAP
13:37 BotSteve yNos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP
13:37 yNos .w SOAP
13:37 BotSteve "SOAP, originally defined as Simple Object Access Protocol, is a protocol specification for exchanging structured information in the implementation of Web Services in computer networks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP
13:38 angy I saw something like that, but can't remember where
13:39 angy the ldap used a soap gateway to auth
13:39 angy daemon on *nux?
13:40 yNos an ldap connector would allow windows/linux/unix/mac machines to login to s single domain..
13:40 angy the connector will be running on *nix?
13:40 yNos on anything really...
13:40 angy if it is, we can create a small C daemon to do so
13:40 yNos i prefer unix..
13:41 angy great!
13:41 angy you'll have to get me a ssh key and I'll open you the git repo
13:42 yNos pm me an address to send it to. my programming skills are suck though...
13:43 angy if you can write a line, it's good enough!
13:44 angy I create the git repo
13:44 angy http://dv.komput.net/gitweb/inde​x.cgi?p=ldap-connector;a=summary
13:44 pegasus lemming: GNU bash, version 4.2.10(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
13:44 pegasus that make you feel better?
13:45 MadManMarkAu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQvZueIBrA <-- HAHAHA, that's awesome :D
13:49 pegasus way bigger binary.
14:00 yNos So why write an ldap connector through bocsy when there are ldap connectors for most databases? unless you want an abstraction layer.
14:01 angy can you have control to the fields that are used in the auth process?
14:01 yNos yup
14:01 angy and, most importantly, on the hash of the password storage?
14:01 yNos ahh
14:02 yNos that could be the issue..
14:02 yNos ldap/kerberos are the power combo.. but methinks kerb would be a pita
14:03 angy we use a SHA256 salted hash
14:08 yNos yay:( i am late for a critical incident review
14:08 angy me too
14:08 angy not for the same though
14:08 angy see ya tonight or in the afternoon
14:09 yNos on here, or irl ;)
14:09 angy ;)
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14:13 angy hi ajprog_laptop
14:14 ajprog_laptop hi angy
14:14 tlockley hey ajprog_laptop
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14:14 ajprog_laptop hi tlockley
14:14 angy ajprog_laptop: you should read the log :)
14:14 ajprog_laptop tlockley: btw, where are you located?
14:15 tlockley ajprog_laptop: Nantucket, MA
14:15 ajprog_laptop ok
14:15 ajprog_laptop angy what do I search for?
14:15 angy ldap
14:15 tlockley quick question about the RAID. Are you using all the drives in one array or split it 4 and 3?
14:16 ajprog_laptop tlockley: I switch it to one
14:16 tlockley okay, do you want another stack of drives? All i have left are 250GB
14:19 angy ok, I'm off, see ya!
14:19 tlockley cya angy
14:19 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/importantcomputer/
14:19 Seroster v nice
14:20 ajprog_laptop sure, they are better than nothing, it will probably give us another 1.25T drive
14:20 ajprog_laptop all we have laying around here are 40-80g
14:20 tlockley alright, ill make up another package. 9 sound good?
14:21 ajprog_laptop sounds great :)
14:25 tlockley also i donk know if you noticed but there is no CD drive and the OS install in on the 80GB drive in the middle bay
14:25 pegasus http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2​007/9/7/enough-with-the-rainbow-table​s-what-you-need-to-know-about-s.html
14:25 * pegasus enjoys the rant
14:26 pegasus angy: the bit you'll be interesting in -- SHA256 is too fast for a good password hash
14:26 pegasus interested, even
14:27 pegasus "Speed is exactly what you don't want in a password hash function."
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14:29 pegasus more information: http://codahale.com/how-to​-safely-store-a-password/
14:30 pegasus nice.
14:30 pegasus "If you're willing to spend about 2,000 USD and a week or two picking up CUDA, you can put together your own little supercomputer cluster which will let you try around 700,000,000 passwords a second."
14:30 yNos new dome has just landed!
14:30 yNos cbailey4@grrapi21 /home/cbailey4
14:30 yNos => ioscan -fk |grep -ic processor
14:30 yNos 192
14:30 yNos with 4 cores per proc ;)
14:31 yNos now we get to partition it.
14:32 tlockley wow,just wow
14:32 Sgt_Lemming ioctl -i grep | ioreg SystemSerialNumber <--- anyone care to guess what that does?
14:32 yNos nothing... grep is waiting for something :P
14:32 yNos move your pipe
14:32 yNos erp
14:32 Sgt_Lemming bah
14:33 Sgt_Lemming back to front
14:33 Sgt_Lemming it's supposed to grab the serial number of a mac computer running OS X
14:34 pegasus "For about $300/hour, you could crack around 500,000,000,000 candidate passwords a second."
14:34 pegasus cracking half a trillion passwords a second.
14:34 pegasus *nerdgasm*
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14:35 kokona hi every one
14:36 Sgt_Lemming seen the guy with the password cracking rig made of 7 GTX590's pegasus?
14:36 pegasus lemming: that's basically what he's talking about.
14:36 pegasus CUDA is a hell of a drug.
14:36 Sgt_Lemming bout the most my CUDA enabled card gets used for atm is minecraft and the odd video :-P
14:37 pegasus triple SLI in three machines babysat with beowulf and you have 9 CUDA GPUs waiting to wreck the universe for you
14:38 tlockley minecraft needs CUDA now o_O
14:38 Sgt_Lemming lol
14:38 Sgt_Lemming no
14:38 pegasus why not?
14:38 Sgt_Lemming god I wish it would use it, might speed up some of the abysmal java code
14:38 tlockley i still dont see why mojang just doesent upgrade to compiled code
14:39 pegasus the best use of CUDA in minecraft would be vector transforms for relative camera movement
14:39 Sgt_Lemming because that would require compiling it to suit each platform
14:39 Sgt_Lemming which is JAVA's one huge advantage in that case
14:39 pegasus it would also require porting it to something else, because compiled java isn't.
14:40 tlockley but at this point you need nothing less than a dual core at 2+GHz just to run it at more than 30FPS
14:40 tlockley not to mention discrete graphics
14:40 pegasus i get 40fps on my laptop
14:40 Sgt_Lemming yes, the graphics are actually fairly complex in the game
14:40 pegasus with all my crazy mods
14:40 Sgt_Lemming I get about 400FPS in the game
14:41 tlockley yah but what kind of HW are you throwing at it?
14:41 Sgt_Lemming what the game really needs is proper Z culling
14:41 pegasus yeah, stock client i get about 120fps max, with mods and framerate smoothing i get 40fps
14:41 Sgt_Lemming Core i5 760, 8GB ram, GTX570
14:41 tlockley my point
14:41 tlockley my friend cant run minecraft of his laptop because MC overheats the laptop after like 10Min
14:41 pegasus core 2 duo 2.13Ghz, nvidia geforce GT230M
14:42 pegasus 6GB RAM
14:42 Sgt_Lemming that too me smacks more of a poorly designed laptop tlockley
14:42 pegasus tlockley: is it more than a year old?
14:42 Sgt_Lemming any laptop that overheats, cause of the hardware in it, is a shit design
14:42 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/plasticbottles/ KICK ASS
14:42 tlockley its a lenovo T510 and it is less than a year old
14:42 pegasus honestly i disagree, laptops have a heat dissipation effectiveness lifespan of about a year lately
14:42 tlockley core i7
14:43 pegasus IBM?
14:43 pegasus (i think lenovo is IBM)
14:43 tlockley post IBM
14:43 pegasus even better
14:43 tlockley lenovo bought ibms pc div
14:43 Sgt_Lemming Lenovo bought IBM's PC and Laptop department
14:43 pegasus tell him to get some arctic silver and pop that shit open and scrape off the shitty heatsink goo slathered everywhere and reseat everything
14:43 Sgt_Lemming IBM does the support for it, that's about all their involvement now
14:44 tlockley I would do that but those things have gotten more complex over the years
14:44 tlockley my T30 comes apart in like 10 screws i think
14:44 pegasus yeah, and more poorly constructed
14:44 tlockley i still can get my x201 apart
14:44 tlockley *cant
14:44 pegasus where's he live
14:44 tlockley burlington VT
14:45 Sgt_Lemming I've pulled apart my X61t a number of times
14:45 pegasus about five hours from here
14:45 pegasus i'll rebuild it for you if you want, but you'd save a crapton of time (and at least $20 in alcohol fees) if you just man up and do it yourself
14:46 tlockley I would do it myself if it wasnt 6hrs to VT from here
14:46 tlockley assuming i take the highspeed and send the car over first
14:47 Sgt_Lemming tlockley, for any thinkpads, check out thinkwiki
14:47 pegasus s/you/he'd/;s/your/him/
14:47 Sgt_Lemming they have the service manual for most every machine
14:47 tlockley absolutely love thinkwiki
14:47 * Sgt_Lemming nods
14:56 tonsofpcs hi
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14:57 tonsofpcs mornin SparkyProjects
14:57 SparkyProjects Hi :)
14:58 tonsofpcs High :)  [physically, like, not in this: http://bit.ly/ncwvR2 ]
15:00 Seroster Ahoy sparkie
15:01 SparkyProjects So Seroster, you gonna be collecting plastic bottles ?
15:01 Seroster It's illegal
15:01 Seroster *Here
15:03 SparkyProjects It's just a raft, you already have a raft
15:04 SparkyProjects And yeah tonsofpcs, i'm halfway up a mountain, so i'm High :)
15:04 SparkyProjects Not looking good for those in the pics though
15:14 kokona i just heard today that next year electricity is going to go up 10 cents for every dollar how f**ked up is that?
15:16 tonsofpcs kokona: 10%.....
15:16 tonsofpcs it could be worse.  We could be buying electricity futures.........
15:17 kokona could be that i heard ten sents
15:17 kokona it is probly 10%
15:17 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea... I know at least one person who had water up 5' over their first floor... they have a 12' basement whose base is at ground level (there's a built-up embankment around the front to  make first floors)
15:17 tonsofpcs kokona: cents.  You had it right the first time.
15:17 kokona lol
15:17 tonsofpcs 10 cents / $1 == 10%
15:18 kokona sorry i been working my ass off
15:18 kokona i really tierd
15:20 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs, yeah, my house is a bit like that, you come in the front door to the lounge, and go downstairs to the kitchen and back door to the garden
15:20 tonsofpcs You really need to use the verb "to be"...
15:20 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea, my apartment is built into a hill.  It's the basement apartment, I have an above-grade patio out back.
15:27 kokona yeah with this new stupid crap with the electicity i'm glade im not on the grid
15:30 kokona i produce enough juice to suply 2 city blocks with power
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15:43 SparkyProjects Seroster, Sweden seems to have a massive drink problem, even Elks are getting drunk
15:43 SparkyProjects http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14842999
15:45 killakee @sparky im from norway so we got this in our news today ...
15:45 killakee haha
15:46 Seroster Yep
15:46 Seroster They taste great
15:46 killakee nothing more scary than a drunk moose/elk running after you :S
15:46 Cprossu lol
15:50 SparkyProjects We've had the occasional horse getting into orchards and getting tipsy.
15:50 SparkyProjects But the funniest one i heard is that someone threw the remains of christmas cake (ingredients included some spirits) for the birds, and later seeing several birds falling all over the place trying to walk :D
15:50 Cprossu SparkyProjects we have some pyracantha in our yards
15:51 Cprossu when birds eat the berries, they get drunk
15:51 Cprossu there's nothing weirder that watching a bird on it's back
15:51 SparkyProjects :D
15:51 Cprossu with it's legs in the air
15:58 tonsofpcs I appear to be having dns failure.....
15:58 Cprossu switch to 4.2.2.1 then?
15:59 tonsofpcs hrm, maybe it's entire internets...
15:59 tonsofpcs I think the amps on the poles are fed by the grid rather than phantom powered... I've had rolling cable failures at times when power doesn't go out and I don't think I've ever had cable working with power out.
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16:00 tonsofpcs (there's at least 5 different substations feeding power throughout the route the cable takes to get here, likely more)
16:00 Cprossu usually cable lines run off of phantom though.
16:00 Cprossu specificlly the amps
16:01 Cprossu and docsis is in the high mhz range anyway
16:01 tonsofpcs right, I know that.
16:01 tonsofpcs I got about 80 messages with the same timestamp on a relatively slow channel...
16:01 Cprossu does your cable provider offer telephone service?
16:01 tonsofpcs I'd ask the headend guy but he's probably busy.
16:02 tonsofpcs "telephone"? no.  VoIP through a POTS-simulating interface in a modem? yes.
16:02 Cprossu that's what I meant.
16:03 tonsofpcs that's why I answered both questions for clarity.
16:03 Cprossu they are required by law to have x amount of battery backup for E911 services during a power outage
16:03 Cprossu this includes any supporting equipment
16:04 Cprossu at least that's what they did in this state
16:04 Cprossu not sure if it's a federal law or not
16:04 tonsofpcs no, they are not, they do not provide telephone service.
16:04 Cprossu our cable provider 'advertises it' as telphone service
16:04 tonsofpcs there's a reason the two are clearly different.
16:05 Cprossu yeah.
16:05 Seroster ARrrrrgh
16:10 tonsofpcs and honestly, even if they do provide such backup, it doesn't really matter if the power source is under water....
16:11 SparkyProjects Seroster, what have you done now :P
16:14 SparkyProjects http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-w​ales-south-east-wales-14841777
16:14 SparkyProjects That place is not far from me, i stayed near Treherbert when i first moved to Wales.
16:24 Seroster Just general arrrrghing, SparkyProjects
16:44 astro73|derrial writing GUIs can be a real pain
16:54 killakee oh how stupid i feel.. how on earth can i post on the geekgroup forums ?
16:57 killakee ennyone ?
16:58 astro73|derrial killakee: register, log in, find the appropriate forum, click "add topic" on the upper right
16:59 killakee hmm ok
16:59 killakee thanx
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17:10 killakee argh.. i have registerd and i am loged in.. but i dont have the add topic :S
17:12 killakee do you have to be a paying member or something ?
17:15 * Experimentonomen made a sinewave generator in simulation with a CD4015 shift register
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17:16 angy yNos here?
17:17 mantere add topic and post reply should be on the same line with the page numbers under the forum name. you don't have to be paid member.
17:17 yNos Yup
17:18 angy You thought of OpenLDAP?
17:18 angy With a couple of PERL backend, it could be plugged into anything
17:18 yNos I was thinking of openLDAP and some sort of caching connector between
17:18 yNos yup
17:18 killakee does it matter that i use crome ?
17:19 yNos that way if the network plops out, we can still log in locally
17:19 angy :)
17:19 angy Ok, so I'll add to read the openldap back-perl doc to my to read list
17:20 mantere killakee: it shouldn't. it shows up on my chrome.
17:20 yNos will we need some sort of caching done onsite in case of a network outage, right?
17:21 angy that is in the to-add list
17:21 killakee weirs
17:21 killakee *weird* i mean
17:22 yNos no need for multiple db instances in the same geographic location. whatever you figure on using for bocsy's local cache, i will fing an ldap connector.
17:22 yNos passwords may be a problem though...
17:22 angy I think that will be the hard point
17:23 angy I can patch the sldapd, but that will mean rolling it at each update
17:23 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/freerunners/ are they trollin?
17:24 yNos .w parkour
17:24 BotSteve "Parkour (sometimes abbreviated PK) is a method of movement focused on moving around obstacles with speed and efficiency." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkour
17:25 angy BotSteve: Should I go 50mm today?
17:25 BotSteve Yep!
17:25 angy that is a cool answer
17:25 yNos our company has a "parkour team"
17:25 yNos they are a trip to watch
17:25 angy run, left, left <crash into a super dome>
17:26 yNos http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/178322/14/A​P-source-Specific-unconfirmed-threat-received-
17:27 yNos these schmucks are trollin
17:27 yNos angy: how do you pronounce your name?
17:28 angy like it's written :p
17:28 yNos Ann-Gel-A?
17:28 yNos or AnnJellA
17:28 angy on the git? it's a long running joke
17:28 yNos oh
17:29 angy the "angella benneth" thing is a running joke that I had from like 12 years now
17:29 yNos do i dare ask?
17:29 angy I'ts my coding name, although I should only use it when I commit C I don't want to modify my git at each time
17:30 angy it comes from a very bad movie, back in like 1996-1997-ish
17:30 yNos ah
17:30 angy I don't remember the movie name, but the name stuck
17:31 yNos the net?
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17:31 angy I'll have to search back into my emails from 10-15 years ago
17:33 angy and it's pronounce, for what it's worth, Ann-Gel-A
17:34 yNos http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/The_Net_%281995_film%29
17:34 angy Way possible
17:34 angy although, I did not even saw the movie when I got the nickname from
17:35 yNos ah
17:36 angy I'll tell you the sroty when you'll show me a nice microbrew ;)
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17:41 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/ZLWOJ.jpg <-- 8bit sine ?
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17:47 pegasus angy: did you get my comments on SHA-256 earlier
17:47 angy I did not
17:47 tggmc There have been comments about copyrighted music that caused the GGR radio stream to stop for a couple days.  There were people who just HATED the music.  So...it was suggested that we take it off the air.
17:47 pegasus the basics of it all was that SHA-256 is too fast for a decent password hashing algorithm
17:48 angy define too fast
17:48 * pegasus digs out his references again
17:49 pegasus http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2​007/9/7/enough-with-the-rainbow-table​s-what-you-need-to-know-about-s.html
17:50 angy you want to attack a salted SHA256 with rainbow tables?
17:50 * angy wish good luck to pegasus
17:50 [psy] rainbow in the skyyyyy
17:50 pegasus i think you need to read it.
17:50 pegasus you're judging the page by its URL, a fatal mistake in this case.
17:50 tggmc It is back...the radio stream will continue becvause as a 501c3 organization, we are exempt from certain restrictions.  We're not making money on it as yet.  When that day comes we'll probably have a way around that too.  Now as was stated earlier.   THIS...IS THE MUSIC IN YOUR LIFE.  You idiots who think that music chould only be what YOU like...should do what Captain Kirk suggested to
17:50 tggmc Star Trekkies in the '80's...You should GET A LIFE...!!!!!!!
17:51 pegasus here's the followup: http://codahale.com/how-to​-safely-store-a-password/
17:51 * pegasus goes back to messing with lsh
17:53 angy hum... it's a little oriented for a paper
17:53 pegasus pretty much all you need to know is that SHA-256 is fast
17:53 pegasus your salts are stored plaintext
17:54 pegasus because your hashing function is fast, you can crack the salted hashes fast
17:54 pegasus you want a slow hashing function
17:54 angy and you want to make people wait 10 seconds for a door to open?
17:54 pegasus no, i want them to wait 0.3 seconds for it to open instead of 0.003ms
17:55 angy arduino won't calculate bcrypt in 0.3
17:55 angy maybe SHA256 in 0.5
17:55 pegasus ...i think you have other things to worry about, then.
17:55 pegasus like why the hell is your salted hashed password being authenticated by an arduino in the cloud
17:56 angy how many of us own a workstation that can crack a full SHA256 hash table off hand?
17:56 pegasus it would probably take me a couple days on my single-core server
17:57 angy ok, let me grab a hash for you
17:57 pegasus honestly, i'm not about to go cracking your passwords
17:57 angy $P$BCI1WEKEoFlC3GVzGfVp80xUOFyaah.
17:58 pegasus but throwing a salted SHA-256 at john the ripper isn't that complicated
17:59 angy it's a little more complicated than just SHA256
18:01 angy I'll have to retrieve the code that generate it, but it's theorically designed to be rainbow table resistant
18:01 pegasus it is rainbow table proof
18:01 pegasus that's the point of salt
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18:02 pegasus there are salted rainbow tables out there, but they're ungodly large
18:02 pegasus the point is that you don't need a rainbow table for SHA-256 -- SHA-256 is fast enough to just crack it
18:02 angy I don't remember if that code uses random salt, but it may
18:02 Cprossu lots of us have 'workstation grade' computers
18:03 angy workstation grade is with Tesla card or equivalent here
18:03 Cprossu many of us also have gaming graphics cards if you catch my drift.
18:03 pegasus i don't see salt plaintext in your hash, but i might be missing it
18:03 Cprossu 9800gx2 ~=> tesla.
18:03 pegasus if the salt is an additional secret, that's somethign else to find
18:03 angy I think it uses a random salt
18:03 pegasus a random salt would be combined with the hash somewhere
18:04 pegasus for example
18:04 pegasus $1$/Z.1/FLm$L2cR/0VauT1aAuvPaX0NE/
18:04 angy depending on what random mechanism you use
18:04 angy if you use predictable pseudo-ranomian, you can skip that including part
18:04 angy but I don't think this one uses that kind of tehcnique
18:04 pegasus /Z.1/FLm = the salt, L2cR/0VauT1aAuvPaX0NE/ = the hash
18:04 Cprossu point is if there's information that important to encrypt it that way, don't put it on a computer attached to a network =P
18:05 Cprossu with $600 of commodity parts I can break damn near anything within a couple of years.
18:05 pegasus so to check the password, you do hashingfunction("/Z.1/FLm".$password)
18:05 Cprossu yay for moore's law
18:05 angy years is not my timeframe
18:06 pegasus Cprossu: you can do it a fuckton sooner than that if he's using SHA-256
18:06 Cprossu way sooner
18:06 Cprossu I said "damn near anything"
18:06 Vladdeh just to jump in to add this quickly
18:06 angy hum... forget that particular hash
18:07 pegasus by all means, Vladdeh
18:07 Vladdeh you say salts are to prevent rainbow lookups
18:07 angy it uses hyperbolic non linear curves
18:07 Vladdeh but some things use the account name as the salt
18:07 Vladdeh *cough* windows
18:07 pegasus account name as salt is insecure, obviously
18:07 Cprossu *cough*
18:07 Vladdeh so you just need a rainbow table salted to "Administrator" and you're set for windows
18:07 pegasus but it does make it mildly more difficult, as an account name has entropy
18:07 Cprossu then again Vladdeh give me any windows computer with physical access and I can break it
18:08 Vladdeh true :p
18:08 pegasus right, the Administrator account is boned.
18:08 Cprossu their permissions systems suck Vladdeh
18:08 pegasus you can rename the Administrator account, though
18:08 pegasus fixes that
18:08 Cprossu not really
18:08 pegasus not really what
18:08 angy in fact, administrator stay even if you rename it
18:08 angy that's fun
18:08 Cprossu just put in a PW nuke cd pegasus
18:08 Cprossu blank out the admin pw
18:09 Cprossu then you are back in business
18:09 pegasus yes, you can do that, but i'm talking about password recovery
18:09 pegasus not system access
18:09 Cprossu pw recovery on a windows box is a moot point though
18:10 Cprossu you could spend 5 hours doing that.
18:10 Cprossu once you get the hash table
18:10 pegasus there are encrypted file areas on some systems that you need the password to get into
18:10 pegasus but most systems, once you have the box, the data is yours
18:10 Cprossu not really on windows
18:10 Cprossu data is yours on 'doze'
18:10 Cprossu no matter what.
18:11 Cprossu for an example if file sharing is enabled game over.
18:11 pegasus i'll google the crypto thing i'm thinking of in a minute, i'm lagging behind here :)
18:11 angy just plug your NTFS drive in any *nix flavor :)
18:11 Cprossu hell even cain and able can take care of any NTFS pw =P
18:12 angy nudge the pw NTFS on the mount driver, you'll have whole access
18:12 angy I think
18:12 tlockley ajprog_laptop: ping
18:12 angy I should write something that uses ECC crypto for bossy :p
18:12 angy bocsy
18:13 pegasus http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308989
18:13 pegasus note: i've never tried to bypass that, i don't actually use it
18:14 pegasus my microsoft trust is absolute zero
18:14 pegasus afk
18:14 Cprossu yeah lol
18:14 Cprossu like I said, physical access = death.
18:14 angy I'd love to see what it uses to crypt the data
18:15 Cprossu the method it uses is pointless if a workaround is built right into it, am I wrong?
18:15 tlockley LM hashes
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18:15 pegasus Cprossu: you're not wrong, is there a workaround built-in?
18:15 Cprossu yeah.
18:15 Cprossu expecially if that computer's in a domain.
18:15 Cprossu *especially
18:15 tlockley there is always a workaround in windows
18:15 Cprossu yeah.
18:16 angy they _still_ use lanman?
18:16 tlockley most machines you can nerf with safemode alone
18:16 Cprossu very true.
18:16 tlockley well lanman is depricated in win 7/vista
18:16 tlockley but you can still turn it on
18:16 angy that is so wrong when you read it
18:16 tlockley its just hidden... sorta
18:16 Cprossu there are lots of things you can still turn on in win7/server 08
18:17 Cprossu and will completely break any kind of virtual idea of security you thought you had
18:17 Cprossu it was so funny when someone broke ms's software signing for an example.
18:18 Cprossu used UAC against itself!
18:18 Cprossu so funny.
18:18 tlockley UAC what a piece of shit
18:18 Cprossu UAC + preconditioning of users to press OK = death.
18:18 Cprossu or excuse me, "allow"
18:18 tlockley i have so many machines that require there be no UAC  just to work
18:18 angy and the message it sends are rather cryptic most of the time
18:19 Cprossu yeah I disabled it on my customer's machines the first time I noticed it didn't prevent rootkits from installing themselves.
18:19 Cprossu although I will admit the best piece of software microsoft has made to date...
18:19 Cprossu is security essentials!
18:19 Cprossu it pains me to say it, but it's actually a good piece of software.
18:20 Cprossu especially since the consumer versions of every other AV has gone to the paranoia/subscription/has flaws in it that viruses exploit/ state
18:20 angy I have to say it's been ages since my only windows computer was a VM to use some piece of *beep* softwares
18:21 angy so I did not really care about security
18:21 Cprossu yeah I hear you.
18:21 Cprossu I play too many computer games to escape windows entirely.
18:21 angy I ran most of them on Linux :p
18:21 Cprossu which is why I run xp x64.
18:22 tlockley MSSE is just awsome
18:22 angy never really could bear xp x64
18:22 Cprossu I like it because everything's broken.
18:22 Cprossu the features of XP I hate don't work
18:22 Cprossu and the features of vista I hate aren't even there
18:23 angy I jumped from xp 64 to 7-64
18:23 Cprossu and it doesn't take nearly as long to fix the 3d and get it back up and running if I installed 2003 server
18:23 Cprossu I've noticed that 7's modules are unstable as fuck
18:23 Cprossu especially the print spooler?!
18:23 angy my version is a special ultra striped-down
18:23 tlockley who prints things anymore
18:24 Cprossu black?
18:24 Cprossu or did you use nlite or something to create your own angy?
18:24 angy it's from microsoft
18:24 angy for high performance computing
18:25 pegasus Cprossu: if there's a workaround in EFS, that means windows stores the key somewhere
18:25 angy it's a strip down version of windows 7 enterprise
18:25 Cprossu of course it does pegasus
18:25 angy way more striped that what you can do with nlite or something like that
18:25 Cprossu and there's also a master key iirc
18:25 pegasus if you could provide a reference for that, i'd be appreciative
18:25 tlockley how did u get it angy?
18:25 Cprossu I don't think I've got a reference for it handy.
18:26 pegasus exceedinglypolite("[citation needed]")
18:26 angy by my microsoft something academic partner
18:26 tlockley oh? Would it be available to msdnAA?
18:26 angy nope
18:27 tlockley poop
18:27 angy it was a shipped dvd with the HPC thing partnership
18:27 Cprossu the main way I knew of to remove the encryption was this pegasus
18:28 Cprossu 0) make copy of hdd in case 1) nuke user pw on copied hdd, 2) login user, 3)unencrypt
18:28 angy you need to have just the right hardware, there are a few build in drivers, and no way to install other ones
18:28 Cprossu I've done it that way more than once.
18:28 pegasus as i understand it, that'll attempt to decrypt and report success, but it should decrypt wrong
18:28 pegasus output -> garbage
18:28 tlockley interesting angy
18:29 angy call you microsoft HPC support :)
18:29 tlockley lol msdnAA offers MS-DOS6
18:29 Cprossu yeah they do
18:29 Cprossu and win 3.1 and 3.11
18:29 Cprossu and other stuff too
18:29 Cprossu 6.20 was the best imp
18:29 Cprossu *imo
18:30 angy I think I can have nearly all the microsoft lineup from msdn (not msdnAA though)
18:30 Cprossu 6.22 had fewer features if you installed fresh
18:30 pegasus https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/en/wiki/Encrypting_File_System#Acce​ssing_private_key_via_password_reset
18:30 angy we have workstation that run MS-DOS something to use with the CNC
18:31 tlockley AA only really has mainstream stuff
18:31 angy I think I still have one access to msdnAA somewhere
18:31 tlockley i left college and still have my msdnAA
18:32 angy the credentials are reset like in may no?
18:33 pegasus "The stored copy of the user's private key is ultimately protected by the user's logon password. Accessing encrypted files from outside Windows with other operating systems (Linux, for example) is not possible"
18:33 pegasus "Further, using special tools to reset the user's login password will render it impossible to decrypt the user's private key and thus useless for gaining access to the user's encrypted files."
18:33 tlockley so if you have an xp box with sharing the password is easy with a LM hash crack
18:33 tlockley or if you want to share win7 to xp same deal
18:35 pegasus win7 to XP works without LM hashes
18:35 pegasus you don't need LM hashes until you get down to 98SE or earlier
18:35 tlockley not in my experience
18:35 tlockley i have always needed to turn on LM for 7 to xp sharing
18:36 pegasus we've got 7 and XP in this house, and LM hashes disabled everywhere
18:36 pegasus sharing works fine
18:36 pegasus also samba
18:36 tlockley heh, whatever. i really could care less about windows
18:36 pegasus just saying
18:37 tlockley i have a windows machine that only runs games and thats it
18:37 pegasus my windows box runs trillian, putty, chrome, pandora/sproxy, and steam.
18:37 pegasus and mpc-hc
18:40 angy mine ran CATIA and ANSYS and the MRI client
18:42 angy time to do a little break!
18:59 iSasha How does one get good grades? Buy cheap crap from DealExtreme :P
19:02 Cprossu lol
19:02 Cprossu depends what class
19:04 iSasha Physics & Geo works great
19:06 Cprossu how's the resolution on the newer spycams?
19:06 Cprossu just curious
19:07 iSasha 720p
19:07 Cprossu and it's not just upscaled vga anymore?
19:08 yNos *yay* just got done with my performance review
19:08 iSasha I got 2 spy pens like that, however one was totally screwed up, the other one barely worked. So I couldn't test it well.
19:08 yNos and the word abysmal never came up!
19:08 Cprossu yay, did it go well?
19:08 iSasha But the latest 808 cameras are true 720p
19:10 Cprossu we should do an action series
19:10 angy_afk so that did went well yNos ?
19:10 Cprossu where the spy gets all of his stuff off of dealextreme
19:10 Cprossu and/or harbor freight
19:12 yNos it was ok... not like they were before..
19:12 lwq hi cprossu and angy and isasha
19:12 yNos up in my butt about not getting things done faster.
19:12 angy_afk :)
19:12 lwq1996 hi ynos
19:13 iSasha hi lwq
19:13 iSasha BTW, Cprossu, how did you know that I was into this stuff?
19:13 yNos no, things will take longer than they did 5 years ago because there are 2 of us, not 6
19:13 yNos hiya lwq1996
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19:13 Cprossu because anyone who surfs dealextreme is.
19:13 iSasha Cprossu: do you surf dx?
19:14 Cprossu yeah.
19:14 iSasha What sorta stuff do you usually buy?
19:14 Cprossu weird shit.
19:14 lwq1996 hi tonsofpcs
19:14 Cprossu nothing that contains flash memory anymore though
19:14 Cprossu I learned my lesson
19:14 iSasha Cprossu: intimategadgets :D ?
19:14 yNos ok, time for next meeting
19:15 Cprossu no, and rofl.
19:15 yNos have fun everyone, i think i will bolt out after this
19:15 * yNos waves
19:15 angy_afk bye yNos
19:15 Cprossu chinese lube sounds like they just skim the rivers for industrial waste and package it
19:15 lwq1996 see ya ynos
19:15 iSasha Hmm… I've never bought flash from dx
19:15 Cprossu if you bought cameras you have.
19:16 iSasha However almost all of the ones that I bought from AliExpress were real good quality
19:19 iSasha I bought my 2 808 cams of ebay, much cheaper
19:27 wannabe-zz lwq1996
19:28 lwq1996 hi
19:28 lwq1996 facebook please :(
19:29 wannabe-zz i am
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20:25 Seroster Ey BatSteve-Away... Arr
20:27 lwq1996 hi seroster
20:27 lwq1996 .sandwich
20:27 BotSteve OperationalError: near "SELLECT": syntax error (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg​-botsteve/modules/tgg.py", line 258, in give_sandwich)
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20:31 Two-Times-P Hello There!
20:32 wannabe-zz hi
20:32 lwq1996 hi
20:32 lwq1996 wannabe /nick
20:32 lwq1996 unless your sleeping and ircing
20:33 wannabe1987 happy now?
20:33 lwq1996 yes :P
20:33 wannabe1987 watching mr and mrs smith w/ ginger and cj :D
20:33 lwq1996 it would be cool to irc and sleep at same time tho
20:33 wannabe1987 ikr
20:33 lwq1996 lets go throw rocks at ducks
20:34 pegasus don't think for a minute that nobody's working on a way to IRC and sleep at the same time.
20:34 masterofmonks .yt poisoning pigeons in the park
20:34 BotSteve masterofmonks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
20:34 wannabe1987 lwq1996 come on over
20:35 Seroster damn.
20:35 lwq1996 yay....can we put chris in the pond...i really want to throw a rock at him
20:35 wannabe1987 sure
20:36 lwq1996 boden not cj chris
20:37 wannabe1987 ik
20:46 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/funny​-joke-at-the-work-4868.html
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21:11 wannabe1987 angy!
21:11 angy wannabe1987!
21:11 wannabe1987 hi.
21:11 wannabe1987 drinking yet?
21:12 angy nope
21:12 wannabe1987 wow
21:12 angy got a meeting in a few
21:12 angy I don't wna to go
21:12 * lwq1996 gets himself a drink
21:13 wannabe1987 ahhhh
21:13 * wannabe1987 allows lwq1996 to get one drink
21:15 * Two-Times-P allows wannabe1987 to allow lwq1996 to get one drink
21:16 * angy don't allow anyone to have lwq1996 drink!
21:16 wannabe1987 Two-Times-P are you new?
21:16 wannabe1987 jw
21:16 lwq1996 screw you angy
21:16 wannabe1987 and angy i didnt' say it was alcoholic :P
21:17 angy what else? a nespresso
21:17 angy (ok, that was very bad)
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21:18 lwq1996 wannabe this is you http://www.photoblip.com/pictu​res/4869/movie-watch-time.html
21:20 wannabe1987 close.
21:20 wannabe1987 more like 1/2 of it is spent online.....
21:21 wannabe1987 fb?
21:21 lwq1996 lol
21:21 * lwq1996 gets a bottle of gin
21:22 angy you should get tonic or  vermouth with that
21:22 lwq1996 what
21:23 wannabe1987 gin and tonic.  nasty stuff :P
21:23 lwq1996 ah
21:23 wannabe1987 fb? lwq1996
21:30 angy ok, see you tonight
22:08 masterofmonks http://imgur.com/gallery/GJPxJ
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22:46 LemPhone morning all
22:47 tlockley evening
22:48 LemPhone howsit?
22:48 tlockley meh, watching the home built tesla series
22:48 LemPhone kk
22:48 LemPhone i'm on my way to work
22:48 tlockley i hame having captains blog withdrawls
22:49 tlockley sweet
22:49 LemPhone last saturday shift for a while
22:49 LemPhone no, not sweet, not sweet at all
22:49 tlockley making money tho
22:49 LemPhone working on a saturday sucks the big one
22:49 tlockley shift?
22:49 LemPhone yeah
22:50 LemPhone this coming week I start doing 4 10 hour shifts, rather than 5 8 hour ones
22:50 tlockley that sounds better
22:50 LemPhone so no more saturdays, and a day off during the week for hackerspace stuff
22:51 tlockley great
22:51 LemPhone yeah, been fighting to get it for a bit, then one of the guys who was doing it was changing off it, but there was this whole SNAFU about me working the days I wanted, i.e. not saturdays
22:52 tlockley what country you in?
22:52 LemPhone Australia
22:52 tlockley noice
22:52 LemPhone Brisneyland to be precise :-P
22:53 tlockley that cant be a real name
22:53 LemPhone lol, it isn't
22:53 tlockley brisbane?
22:53 LemPhone yeah
22:53 tlockley or did i just spell that wrong
22:53 LemPhone much better than Shitney or Melbored
22:54 LemPhone no, you spelt it right
22:54 LemPhone there is an amusing amount of rivalry between the capital cities here, both sporting and otherwise
22:55 tlockley heh
22:55 tlockley all that i know of australia is sydney has the opera and melbourne has/had F1
22:56 LemPhone yeah
22:56 tlockley anything interesting in brisbane
22:56 LemPhone Gold Coast here used to have Indy cars, I "drove" one through a shopping center once
22:56 tlockley sim?
22:57 LemPhone nope, steering it while dad and his workmate were pushing it
22:57 tlockley sweet
22:57 LemPhone they were setting it up in an exhibit in the shopping centre
22:57 LemPhone steering wheel on those fuckers is hard to turn!
22:58 tlockley i bet, theyre designet to work at high speed
22:58 LemPhone although I was 12 at the time
22:58 * LemPhone nods
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22:58 LemPhone morning Laryk
22:58 tlockley actually what is really funny is when you have been driving a cra with no power steering and then your friends try to use the same car
22:58 * LemPhone nods
23:00 LemPhone Car I am looking at getting garners some amusing reactions
23:00 LemPhone Mitsubishi Delica
23:00 Laryk Good evening!
23:00 LemPhone giant 4WD van
23:00 * tlockley o_O
23:00 LemPhone look it up
23:00 LemPhone .w mitsubishi delica
23:00 BotSteve "The Mitsubishi Delica is a range of trucks and multi-purpose vehicles (MPVs) built by Mitsubishi Motors since 1968." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Delica
23:01 LemPhone the generation IV one from that page iirc
23:01 tlockley looks like a eurovan fucked an american suv and made by the japanese
23:01 LemPhone heh
23:01 LemPhone they are awesome though
23:01 LemPhone specially for camping
23:02 LemPhone friend has one, 4 guys, 4 mountain bikes + gear for a week, all inside the car and not cramped
23:02 tlockley totally. still wish i had my eurovan
23:03 tlockley 5 speed manual
23:03 LemPhone and they are really capable 4WD's as well, like handle anything you throw em at
23:04 LemPhone anyways, time to log off for walk, ttyl

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