Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-10-16

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00:01 Thiesen I know my way around and inside my computer... it's just that I don't have any parts so I can make a big troubleshooting session... :-(
00:02 Thiesen for now I think it's the mobo....
00:03 CaptainNiobe does it do anything on boot?
00:03 Thiesen the transformer is ok... it tries to get the mobo running but then it senses that Powergood is not so good and shuts itslf off...
00:04 CaptainNiobe powergood?
00:06 Thiesen every ATX compliant transformer has a pin usd for sensing any faults within the system... if the mobo sends back an error it shuts down to prevent acidents... hence Powergood...
00:06 CaptainNiobe ahh... ok
00:11 Thiesen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Good_Signal
00:13 dbshortwave bbl
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00:23 Bat-Mobile .yt fishin in the dack
00:23 BotSteve Bat-Mobile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVL2NGpkUGE
00:23 Bat-Mobile apparently I'm from bahston
00:26 Thiesen Bat-Mobile: are you the Batman in the clips
00:26 Thiesen from Physicsduck?
00:27 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: I am not, though you are not the first one to ask that
00:27 Bat-Mobile I'm the one who does the IRC, he's the one who does the camera
00:28 Thiesen oh... sorry for asking then... :-)
00:28 Bat-Mobile Why would you be sorry?
00:28 Thiesen for asking a question you have gotten before...
00:28 Thiesen being asked before*
00:28 lwq1996 omg this movie i so sad
00:29 Seroster Thiesen, Bat-Mobile is too ugly to be on camera
00:29 Bat-Mobile I teach people how to fly airplanes.  There are questions that I've been asked thirty times before
00:29 Seroster But we still love him
00:29 Bat-Mobile I don't mind
00:29 Bat-Mobile but thanks for thinking of my feelings
00:29 Seroster Bat-Mobile, Where's the fucking landing gear?! HURRY!
00:29 Bat-Mobile :D
00:29 Bat-Mobile "What's that noise?"
00:30 Bat-Mobile Man, if I had a penny for every time I'd heard that question...
00:30 Bat-Mobile I'd have about seventy pennies
00:30 Seroster Wich one, where's the fucking landig gear?
00:30 Thiesen fly airplanes? rela ones or simulated ones?
00:30 Bat-Mobile No, "what's that noise"
00:30 Seroster Thiesen, Real ones.
00:30 Thiesen real*
00:30 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: both, we train in both the simulator and in the airplane
00:31 Seroster But they never let Bat into a jet nowdays, not after that incident ten years ago.
00:31 Seroster I hope Bush paid you well you bastard
00:32 Thiesen Bat-Mobile: cool... I don't know squat about airplanes... well... I know some stuff... but not every ins and outs of planes
00:33 Bat-Mobile Seroster: nah, he never paid well for dead hooker disposal services.  Which, I guess, makes sense, I mean all I did was fly out over the ocean and kick 'em out the door...
00:33 Seroster They are avlong, shiny, pretty damn complicated and they fly. Al gore hates them.
00:33 Thiesen I know where the joystick is... I know what an ILS is... I know what an altimeter is...
00:33 Seroster Did you... Use them before?
00:33 lwq1996 batsteve you should teach me to fly
00:33 Seroster ILS... IntraLinearServer.
00:33 Seroster CRAP
00:34 Thiesen lol
00:34 Seroster lwq1996, Just in case, eh?
00:34 lwq1996 yes
00:34 Bat-Mobile lwq1996: with enough money and dedication, anything is possible
00:34 lwq1996 yup
00:34 Thiesen ILS - Instument Landing SYstem... as opposed to VLS (I think)...
00:35 lwq1996 how much would it take for full flying lessons...and how long would i need to take these classes
00:36 Thiesen lwq1996: are you gonna do and 9/11???
00:36 lwq1996 i want to kill alot of people but im not that fucking stupid
00:36 lwq1996 i woulnt kill inocent people
00:37 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: there's no such thing as a VLS
00:37 Thiesen but you would kill guilty peole right... :-)
00:37 Bat-Mobile the VLS is "look out the window and put the tires on the runway"
00:38 Seroster lwq1996, Please crash on the westboro baptist church
00:38 Thiesen no VLS? I thought that
00:38 Seroster "GOD protects us with his magic shield" *WHAM*
00:38 Thiesen that you coould land visually?
00:38 Seroster "Hey one dude survived! It's a genuine MIRACLE!"
00:38 Bat-Mobile lwq1996: depending on where you go, it costs between $5,000 and $8,000 to get a private pilot's license.  It also depends a lot on how much studying you do
00:38 lwq1996 if they were in a field where its easy to clean and i would not get in trouble and had a plane that i woulnt care about
00:38 lwq1996 ok
00:38 Seroster lwq1996, Just happen to have a plane laying around, eh? =P
00:39 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: of course you can land visually
00:39 Bat-Mobile but why would you need a system to assist you?
00:39 Seroster Bat-Mobile,  That's what SHE said!
00:39 Seroster =D
00:39 lwq1996 no T.T...nearest airport is 45min from here
00:39 Seroster Thiesen, Go to bed. It's half past two god damn it.
00:39 Seroster Cya
00:39 Thiesen Bat-Mobile: and that's what I meant by VLS... but it isn't called VLS???
00:40 Thiesen Visual Landing System??
00:40 Thiesen I am a nightowl...
00:40 Thiesen and I am a nerd...
00:41 Toastdude Geek*
00:41 lwq1996 up
00:41 Toastdude Wait, isn't ir VFR?
00:41 Toastdude *it
00:41 lwq1996 yup
00:41 lwq1996 idk
00:41 Thiesen well.... I am not sure what differences there is between a geek and a nerd... to me it's the same though...
00:42 Toastdude Thiesen: Visual Flight Rule
00:42 lwq1996 OH LORD
00:42 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: nope, definitely not called a VLS
00:42 Bat-Mobile your eyeballs are called "your eyeballs", even though they are the visual landing system
00:42 Toastdude Geek = cool and having friends. Nerds don't have friends and are socially awkward...
00:42 Bat-Mobile We don't see a need to rename the human eye
00:42 Toastdude Thiesen ^
00:42 Thiesen Visual Flight Rule... oh... I learnd a new thing... yay... hehehe
00:43 Bat-Mobile VFR has nothing to do with landing though
00:43 Toastdude True..
00:44 Toastdude Although I thought it did...
00:44 lwq1996 .wiki neophilia
00:44 BotSteve "Neophile or Neophiliac is a term used by counterculture cult writer Robert Anton Wilson to describe a particular type of personality." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophilia
00:44 Thiesen oh... but since ILS is used for landing purposes there have to be a term for visual landing aids too??
00:45 Bat-Mobile Thiesen: VASI or PAPI are the most common
00:45 Bat-Mobile Visual approach slope indicator
00:45 Bat-Mobile and precision approach path indicator
00:46 Bat-Mobile but neither one is a landing SYSTEM, just an indicator of your glide slope
00:46 lwq1996 theisen...here you go... http://web.vee.net/stuff/geek-vs-nerd.html
00:46 Thiesen ok... I have no idea but it sounds to be logical names to it... hehehe
00:47 Thiesen lwq1996: nice... checking the link...
00:51 Thiesen a geek can be the same as a nerd according to that link and The Jargon File... but a nerd can not be a geek??
00:57 SparkyProjects I'd agree with that, a geek can do what a nerd can do as part of being a geek
00:57 tonsofpcs .j geek
00:57 tonsofpcs .jargon geek
00:57 BotSteve tonsofpcs: http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/geek.html
00:58 lwq1996 why in the hell would a kit cost more than the assembled version
00:59 Thiesen lwq1996: since the manufacturer want to sell new things...
01:00 lwq1996 no its the same model as the assembled version...
01:03 Thiesen well... I concsider myself as botth a geek and a nerd... and I am damn proud of being both....
01:03 lwq1996 there is one thing....are you skiny
01:04 lwq1996 do you partake in on thing or lots of things
01:04 Thiesen actualy I am skinny....
01:04 Thiesen I tend to use my computer skills... :-)
01:04 lwq1996 do you collect lots of action figures and display them proudly
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01:05 Thiesen I am not into action figures...
01:05 lwq1996 ok then you more o a geek
01:06 Bat-Mobile action figures: the defining line between nerd and geek
01:06 Thiesen ok... Idon't mind at all being both geek and nerd,.. both have positive properties to me....
01:06 lwq1996 yup
01:07 Thiesen i
01:07 lwq1996 i used to have a photoblip thing that showed you
01:08 Thiesen Iam proud of my computer skills... but I don't tell everyone about them... only those who I regard as a geek....
01:09 lwq1996 i tell everyone im a geek an am proud of it
01:10 Thiesen what kind of geek are you then?
01:10 lwq1996 computer and electricall
01:10 lwq1996 electrical*
01:10 lwq1996 mostly computer
01:10 Thiesen cool...
01:11 Thiesen I wish I knew a little bit mor about electricity although I know Ohm's and Joules laws and such elementary things...
01:12 Thiesen comon sense you know...
01:13 Thiesen don't stick you fingers into a hot electrical socket...
01:13 Thiesen unless you really want to die that is...
01:14 lwq1996 ive done that with putting my finger inbetween the prongs on a cord
01:14 SparkyProjects Thiesen, that's something i've done a ffew times, i'm just careful not to complete a circuit
01:15 lwq1996 lol
01:15 lwq1996 yup
01:15 SparkyProjects Yeahh, but lee, you're on the safe 110 volts :P
01:15 lwq1996 holly fuck it hurts tho
01:15 Thiesen SparkyProjects: yes... you can touch the hot lead of a powercord... no problem....
01:15 lwq1996 haha
01:16 lwq1996 stick it to your tough if you are brave enough sparky
01:16 exor674 Thiesen: only if you aren't grounded
01:16 Thiesen exaclly... do not touch anything grounded...
01:17 Thiesen or anything neutral for that atter...
01:17 Thiesen matter*
01:17 SparkyProjects Actually you can touch something that is grounded, as long as the supply is floating
01:18 Thiesen uhm... please explain
01:18 lwq1996 true sparky
01:19 Thiesen what do you mean by "floating"?
01:19 SparkyProjects Id the supply isn't grounded in any way and you touch one line while touching ground, the supply voltage will follow you.
01:19 SparkyProjects But generally a household supply has the neutral grounded.
01:20 Thiesen ah... good explanation....
01:20 SparkyProjects Floating is where no part of the supply is 'grounded' as in a transformer secondary
01:21 lwq1996 sparky have you licked a 220 hot
01:21 Thiesen yes... here in Sweden the neutral is connected to the ground even if there is no dedicated ground line...
01:22 Toastdude I'm guessing you have, Lee?
01:22 lwq1996 yes
01:22 lwq1996 doesnt hurt you if you arent grounded
01:22 Thiesen 230V with no amps???
01:22 Toastdude -__-
01:22 SparkyProjects Our 'safety' transformers for use on building sites are 110 volts output, and they have a centre tap connected to ground, so they are actually 55-0-55
01:22 lwq1996 you cant have no amps thiesen
01:23 Thiesen lwq1996: nope.... just very little amount of current....
01:24 lwq1996 its impossible thiesen
01:24 lwq1996 am i right sparkyprojects
01:24 SparkyProjects Thiesen, it doesn't matter how many amps, it all about the amount of amps that pass through you.
01:24 SparkyProjects 2 million amp 240 volt supply will not hurt you if you don't complete the circuit
01:24 lwq1996 yup
01:25 Thiesen that's true SparkyProjects.... I am not arguing about being able to have lots of amps....
01:25 SparkyProjects Heck, you could sit on top of gemini if you are not part of the circuit
01:25 lwq1996 yup
01:26 Thiesen hell yeah.... THAT would be fun to do... :-)
01:26 SparkyProjects You'd be at maybe a milion volts and live to tell the tale
01:26 lwq1996 if the spark doesnt jump off of you...that is
01:26 Thiesen exactly... good luck with finding a non groundish environment.... :-)
01:28 SparkyProjects I remember something about a tesla coild being built where someone can sit inside the toroid, maybe that will be for Zeus :D
01:28 lwq1996 yup
01:28 Thiesen SparkyProjects: Mythbusters did that.... :-)
01:28 lwq1996 maby we sould do something like that for zeus
01:29 SparkyProjects Are you sure Thiesen ?
01:30 Thiesen SparkyProjects: yes.... it's the episode where they use a water cannon to conduct the electricity.... I don't remember what the episode is called though....
01:31 Thiesen I think it's where thy test the peeing on the thrid rail myths...
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01:32 lwq1996 whould you guys trust me with 4000dollar cameras
01:33 Ponko no
01:33 SparkyProjects Yep, as  longs they aren't my cameras :D
01:33 lwq1996 truthfully
01:33 Thiesen why?
01:33 lwq1996 my friends are saying people woulnt
01:33 lwq1996 i mean...if i have special training and everythig
01:33 Ponko well its you lee you would break them
01:33 Ponko oh well that's different
01:34 lwq1996 how would i break them
01:34 Ponko by being lee lol
01:34 Thiesen I don't know you... I don't know if you get annoying outursts and begin to break things in anger...
01:34 lwq1996 ik how to take care of people stuff that isnt mine
01:34 SparkyProjects Thiesen, found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOwH18YdN7s
01:34 Ponko i'm kidding Lee
01:34 lwq1996 no im not like that
01:35 lwq1996 so you would ponko
01:35 Ponko nah i stop before i do that
01:35 lwq1996 http://www.photoblip.com/pictures/4361/don-t-you-just-hate-it-when-this-happens.html
01:36 Ponko and Lee what you said at the end is like me going
01:36 Thiesen SparkyProjects: damn... my Transformer is considered a cell phone by Youtube... but the title suggests that's the episode I was refering to....
01:36 Ponko i can be the Green Bay Packers QB
01:36 lwq1996 you could ponko
01:36 Ponko but with high skills on all front
01:36 Ponko i know but you know what i'm saying
01:36 lwq1996 ik :P
01:36 Thiesen SparkyProjects: so yes.... you can sit on top of a Tesla coil....
01:37 lwq1996 yes....if the spark doesnt break out on you
01:37 Thiesen in a Faradays Cage that is... :-)
01:37 SparkyProjects Thiesen, even a desktop computer can be considered a cellphone if connected to the net via the cell network
01:37 Thiesen it has been done before....
01:38 Ponko i know someone who has to either live or sleep under one of them
01:38 Ponko because of the radio mast near by
01:38 Thiesen SparkyProjects: my Transformer is using my home WiFi network....
01:39 SparkyProjects I think i could trust sitting ON TOP of the tesla if i was holding the breakout point and if it was well connected to the top of the toroid
01:39 SparkyProjects Maybe it's an app that defines what it is
01:40 lwq1996 yes you could :P
01:40 Thiesen SparkyProjects: Yes... since the Asus Eee Pad Transformer is a device running Android it has its own Youtube app...
01:40 SparkyProjects There you go then :P
01:40 Thiesen I know... hehehehe
01:40 Thiesen damn Youtube...
01:41 SparkyProjects It's classed as a 'mobile device'
01:41 Thiesen oh yeah... I know...
01:41 Thiesen luckily I can watch chris's channel no problen....
01:42 lwq1996 my dog insists on laying on me
01:43 Thiesen that's a domminant dog...
01:43 lwq1996 lol
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01:54 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: I have "Electronic Fundamentals and Applications" (3rd Ed) here, has a bunch of tube-amp circuits in it
01:54 masterofmonks Sweet.
01:55 tonsofpcs (Prentice Hall, 1964, 4th print - 1965)
01:57 masterofmonks For sale?
01:57 Toastdude Same company that prints our textbooks...
01:59 tonsofpcs I got it at a book sale today. They had another of this one iirc (newer edition, unsure if it had the same tube stuff)
02:00 tonsofpcs http://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Fundamentals-Applications-John-Ryder/dp/0132513552 is apparently it
02:01 tonsofpcs alternatively, get someone to drive to Ithaca, NY tomorrow morning, it's probably still on the shelf, but this is the last weekend of the sale... books are $0.10
02:01 lwq1996 iirc?
02:01 tonsofpcs if i remember/recall correctly
02:01 lwq1996 oh
02:01 tonsofpcs I got a bunch of reference books last week, more this week
02:12 tonsofpcs it's an hour drive to ithaca, so it'd probably cost more for me to go get it than the book + shipping from a third party (see amazon).  Someone else would likely pick up books at the sale for themselves (I got all mine)
02:25 Ponko hmm
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02:28 masterofmonks hey lwq1996
02:28 masterofmonks got 40GB of hard drive space?
02:29 lwq1996 why
02:29 masterofmonks http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5946997/Bell_Systems_Technical_Journals_%28Full_Site_Rip%29
02:29 masterofmonks I am about to start seeding that.
02:29 lwq1996 wow
02:30 Ponko damn
02:30 Bat-Mobile masterofmonks: again?
02:30 masterofmonks That is almost everything you wanted to know about electronic componants and theory, as it happened.
02:30 Ponko bigger than the west coast playbook
02:31 lwq1996 is it a book?
02:31 Ponko what mine or moms
02:31 masterofmonks It is an archive of a periodical.
02:32 lwq1996 is this the same company that had i think walter kronkite and made all the sciency type videos
02:33 masterofmonks When you hear reference to "Ma Bell" these are the people.
02:33 lwq1996 what is it all tho...like i dont want to waste that much space for something thats usless and i dont have a cd-rom for the factory disk so yeah
02:34 masterofmonks Oh, far from useless.
02:34 lwq1996 i have 129g free
02:34 lwq1996 of 218
02:34 Bat-Mobile what's a factory disk?
02:35 lwq1996 the reboot disk to return it to factory condition
02:35 Bat-Mobile oh, gotcha
02:35 masterofmonks Then burn it to DVDs.
02:35 lwq1996 i dont have any type of disk reader for that fact either
02:36 Bat-Mobile You know what I wonder? I wonder if Project Gutenberg would put up the BSTJ if it were in an appropriate format?
02:36 masterofmonks Bat-Mobile: probably not
02:36 masterofmonks But google might.
02:37 lwq1996 hmmmm i need an external seagate hard drive
02:37 masterofmonks lwq1996: Incomming file.'
02:38 lwq1996 um no...not atm
02:38 lwq1996 i need ever g of this hd
02:39 lwq1996 if you get me a 500gb seagate external hdd i would tho
02:39 lwq1996 damn you...you sent it when i was typing
02:39 Bat-Mobile yay for brand loyalty
02:39 Bat-Mobile Seagate: when nothing else will do
02:40 tonsofpcs lol
02:40 tonsofpcs Bat-Mobile: I was _very_ upset at WD after a recent externaal HDD purchase
02:40 masterofmonks lwq1996: that is one sample of the archive and it goes to 1983
02:40 lwq1996 wow
02:41 lwq1996 why tons of pcs
02:41 tonsofpcs (the 1TB mypassport USB 3.0 is _not_ a USB Mass Storage compliant device and it needs windows update to find drivers -- the seagate FreeAgent GoFlex worked perfectly fine)
02:41 lwq1996 lol
02:45 lwq1996 OMG THEY GOT AN EXTERNAL 2TB DRIVE
02:45 lwq1996 i so want
02:45 lwq1996 im waiting for when the 3tb drives come out for regular pcs
02:48 tonsofpcs Something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148736 ?
02:50 lwq1996 i want that...do they have it in the little hard drive sizes for netbooks
02:51 masterofmonks You could always get an enclosure.
02:51 lwq1996 hmmm
02:52 * lwq1996 goes to newegg
02:52 yNos rf burns suck!
02:52 Toastdude yNos! Hi
02:52 yNos hey there
02:52 Toastdude How'd you get an RF burn?
02:52 lwq1996 did you play with rf today
02:52 yNos forgot to put the ground wire back on my radio...
02:52 yNos my own dumbass fault
02:52 lwq1996 lol
02:52 masterofmonks Silly silly man.
02:53 Toastdude Oh... D:
02:53 lwq1996 why does a radio need a ground wire
02:53 lwq1996 toast do you know why
02:53 yNos the RF needs a return path
02:53 Toastdude Cause it's a circuit
02:53 tonsofpcs depends what you mean by 'ground wire'
02:53 Toastdude The antenna is grounded, right?
02:53 tonsofpcs no
02:53 yNos so i got ~150 watts to my finger...
02:54 tonsofpcs well, usually not.
02:54 lwq1996 lol
02:54 yNos there are 2 main thoughts about antenna grounding.
02:54 lwq1996 did it hurt?
02:54 Toastdude I've never gotten a RF burn... what's it like?
02:54 * tonsofpcs hands yNos a ball-gap
02:54 yNos mainly related to lightning protection
02:54 yNos ground everything so the lightning take the shortest path.
02:54 * tonsofpcs also finds the nautel 'site prep guide' for yNos
02:55 yNos keep it all floating and hope it finds another path.
02:55 tonsofpcs http://www.nautel.com/Resources/Docs/Whitepapers/lightningprotection.pdf and http://www.nautel.com/Resources/Docs/Site%20Recommendation%20Book%20-%20Issue%203%20%282004%29.pdf
02:55 yNos i prefer to ground everything and give it the shortest path not through my radio.
02:55 tonsofpcs "keep it all floating" never works out right.
02:55 yNos and not through my house.
02:56 yNos depends on your soil type
02:56 tonsofpcs that said, the ANTENNA does not get grounded in most systems.
02:56 yNos in commercial systems
02:56 yNos well
02:56 yNos commercial systems above 30 mhz
02:56 tonsofpcs the antenna being the radiating structure
02:56 yNos umm
02:57 yNos you dont know a whole lot of transmission theory, do you?
02:57 yNos the antenna itself isnt grounded.
02:57 yNos but the image of the antenna needs to be passed to ground.
02:57 tonsofpcs right, I just said that.
02:58 yNos no you didnt.
02:58 tonsofpcs 22:57:31 < yNos> the antenna itself isnt grounded.
02:58 yNos it is all part of the antenna
02:58 tonsofpcs that is what I just said
02:58 * lwq1996 smacks tonsofpcs
02:58 yNos you treat them as seperate parts and you have issues.
02:58 tonsofpcs you need to treat all the parts as separate parts at higher powers (especially when you have all sorts of masks and patterns to meet)
02:59 yNos there are antennae that are grounded, take a look at any of the AM broadcast antennae that have a massive coil at the base.
02:59 tonsofpcs the ATU?
02:59 tonsofpcs or are you talking shunt-feds?
02:59 yNos yup
03:00 yNos not the atu.. although some of those are grounded out too.
03:00 yNos my tower is shunt fed.. once i get it back up.
03:01 lwq1996 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817801087
03:01 lwq1996 i want
03:01 tonsofpcs I did say "most", didn't I?  :)  (also, remember, any AM is set up so that it becomes grounded when struck)
03:01 tonsofpcs (if you want a good ground system, read and understand those two documents I linked, lots of interesting stuff there, was great to see it presented in-person)
03:01 yNos most rigs below 30 mhz are setup to shunt to gnd when struck
03:02 yNos i got a chance to help put in the radial system at WBRN, that was a huge learning experience.
03:03 tonsofpcs (it's written for AM and MW but it is helpful for any lightning-attracting area)
03:03 yNos and setup the rerod frame for the concrete base
03:05 tonsofpcs hmm... ND 5k day, 3-tower D 2.5 night?
03:05 yNos WBRN was an interesting setup, in that all the radials were above ground.. not many ham radio ops can do that.
03:05 yNos sounds about right.
03:06 tonsofpcs (that's what the FCC site says)
03:06 yNos not a huge station by any means
03:06 tonsofpcs above-ground radials? what method?
03:06 tonsofpcs ~1 AWG wire stung on posts? mesh? some other method?
03:06 yNos the one tower that we did had posts about 10 feet above ground
03:07 yNos mesh from the base up to the first 30 some odd poles
03:07 lwq1996 you guys still fighting about this?
03:07 yNos then wire runners out from there.
03:07 tonsofpcs fighting?
03:07 tonsofpcs interesting
03:07 tonsofpcs I've seen wire above, seen pics of mesh, never seen a combo
03:07 tonsofpcs trying to find pics of the station with mesh above a parking lot
03:08 yNos the cars underneath dont add capacitance?
03:08 tonsofpcs it's a _very_ interesting design
03:11 yNos i want to find some tower insulators and base-feed my tower.
03:12 tonsofpcs hmmm
03:12 yNos finding them at ham-swaps is like finding fish toes.
03:12 tonsofpcs just base or do you need guy insulators too?
03:12 yNos it is free standing, only 60 feet
03:12 tonsofpcs 3 or 4 point?
03:12 yNos 63 feet actually
03:12 tonsofpcs and how much power?
03:12 yNos i can re-make a plate with 3
03:13 yNos i run between 1 watt and 2.5kw
03:13 tonsofpcs re-make a plate with 3? what does it do right now?
03:13 yNos right now the plate has 4 holes.
03:13 yNos it is not setup right now.
03:14 yNos we moved in here last year and i have had otherthings to take care of in the house.
03:14 tonsofpcs know anyone that does glass work?
03:14 yNos not really
03:14 yNos other than beads :P
03:14 tonsofpcs anyone at TGG do glass work?
03:15 yNos i dont think so
03:16 tonsofpcs knoww make/model on the tower?
03:16 yNos rohn 35 iirc
03:17 tonsofpcs hmmm, found some rohm 45 insulators (link incoming) but it seems that they don't want you using them on unguyed towers
03:17 tonsofpcs http://www.dxengineering.com/Parts.asp?ID=3602&amp;PLID=321&amp;SecID=162&amp;DeptID={335FC993-3798-4768-BAF7-EE43E4A3CAED}&PartNo=COM-RTI-45
03:17 yNos i have seen them.
03:18 yNos rohn 45 is rated for 80 feet unguyed, 150ft guyed.
03:18 yNos i wonder where they rated them for...
03:19 lwq1996 wow...http://www.damnlol.com/seriously-this-cant-be-legit-8814.html
03:19 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/seriously-this-cant-be-legit-8814.html
03:19 tonsofpcs i'm guessing they're rated for compression and partial-shear strength but not tensile strength,so they tell you to guy it.
03:20 lwq1996 for a sec i thought you were talking about my link
03:20 yNos hrm.. if i guy them i will  want to insulate the cable and use those as radiating elements...
03:21 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/2602205883.html
03:21 tonsofpcs yea, you need guy insulators too
03:21 yNos need to roll over and see what this all is..
03:21 tonsofpcs usually you insulate them nearer the tower than the ground
03:21 tonsofpcs but idk what freqs you're operating at and how it changes what you'd do w/ whatever size tower you have
03:21 yNos insulate at the tower and at the ground..
03:22 yNos i prefer not to run with an atu unless i have to..
03:22 tonsofpcs how far is white from where the labs are?
03:22 yNos 4 blocks
03:22 lwq1996 ynos you ever do this http://www.damnlol.com/you-ever-been-so-mad-that-you-brought-down-a-horse-8810.html
03:23 tonsofpcs form a line and start passing ;)
03:23 yNos ummm
03:23 yNos she is liking that waaaaay too much
03:23 lwq1996 lol
03:23 lwq1996 and have you ever done this
03:23 lwq1996 http://www.damnlol.com/when-you-think-you-have-the-worst-job-in-the-world-just-remeber-8808.html
03:23 tonsofpcs lwq1996: i'm pretty sure that if you're finding those things hilarious, you need to stop looking at them.
03:24 yNos the last one i can sorta relate to... inseminating cows.
03:24 lwq1996 why
03:24 lwq1996 loll
03:25 yNos it is cheaper/more reliable than just leaving the bull in with the cows.
03:25 lwq1996 why
03:26 yNos you dont have to bring the bull in from another farm
03:26 yNos why?
03:26 yNos to make baby cows.
03:26 lwq1996 oh
03:26 lwq1996 i ment way for the bull thing...not the baby cow thing
03:27 yNos bulls are a pita
03:31 tonsofpcs they could pre-tenderize your meat though :-p
03:32 lwq1996 lol true...but we dont want to create an earth quake
03:32 tonsofpcs i can't find pictures of this thing (and don't remember where it was)
03:36 yNos trying to remember the huge antenna you go past heading into knoxville..
03:37 yNos looks like 2 cones stacked fat side to fat side.
03:37 yNos can see if for miles...
03:37 yNos think it was knoxville..
03:38 Bat-Mobile yNos: was it this?  http://www.flightsimbooks.com/flightsimhandbook/241-1.jpg
03:39 yNos it is a few hundred feet tall.. i am not sure what the base looks like.
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03:40 Bat-Mobile oh
03:40 Bat-Mobile it's not that then
03:44 tonsofpcs <  >  ?
03:48 tonsofpcs I keep finding people (and pictures thereof) who say they can build such a structure, but not the structure
03:51 lwq1996 everyone go to chris's facebook...you would be surpised that a little town that isnt far from where i live made it to his page
03:51 lwq1996 and guess what its about
03:55 yNos you not getting caught?
03:56 lwq1996 yup i stole it
03:57 lwq1996 i hauled it all in my little red waggon
03:59 lwq1996 how would someone steal a whole bridge tho...people must not be that stupid
04:05 * yNos needs to re-learn morse.
04:05 tonsofpcs . - ?
04:05 lwq1996 why
04:06 yNos i want to rebuild my first rig.
04:06 tonsofpcs i want to build one of those 500mW altoid tins
04:07 tonsofpcs I found a reference to it!
04:07 lwq1996 i want a link please
04:08 Sgt_Lemming lol, there is an achievement in borderlands for how many times you fired
04:08 lwq1996 why?
04:08 Sgt_Lemming ask the game designers mebe?
04:09 tonsofpcs yNos: http://kdxradio.com/am_files/AM_Antennas.pdf , p 11, bottom of left column to top of right column...... brief mention,.... trying to figure out what station still
04:11 tonsofpcs google thinking that i don't mean what i type is really %*#%*#@ annoying
04:12 tonsofpcs got it!
04:12 tonsofpcs scott fybush has pics: http://www.fybush.com/sites/2006/site-060127.html
04:17 yNos cool
04:17 yNos not like the mesh we used though.. it was more fine than that...
04:18 tonsofpcs oh, you just had a mesh around the base as your tie point for the radials?
04:18 tonsofpcs like, maybe 10-15 ft out?
04:22 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums.  New posts made by: RZR_LZR on Battle of the microcontrollers (in Debian)
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04:28 yNos tonsofpcs: yeah
04:29 yNos sorry about the delay.. SWMBO needed help
04:29 lwq1996 with?
04:30 yNos the electric blank was blinking
04:30 lwq1996 oh
04:30 * lwq1996 has no clue about what he means
04:32 CaptainNiobe i gots to show off my new editing skills... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_w7nK50w5A enjoy :D
04:32 Sgt_Lemming BotSteve: tell BatSteve that it'd be nice if the "new posts on the forum" also gave a link to said link, perhaps a tinyurl'd link?
04:32 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
04:33 yNos lwq1996: you will some day.
04:34 yNos the light on the electric blanket as blinking.. an error code.
04:34 lwq1996 oh
04:35 lwq1996 you said blank at first...not blanket
04:37 yNos oh
04:37 yNos sry
04:38 Bat-Mobile Sgt_Lemming: good thought
04:45 Sgt_Lemming yeah
04:46 Sgt_Lemming annoys me trying to find the threas when one of those pops up
04:46 Bat-Mobile Well, I've got a halfhearted fix that I can push through right now.
04:46 Bat-Mobile without digging into the RSS and all
04:46 Sgt_Lemming it's ok
04:46 Bat-Mobile brb
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04:48 Bat-Mobile all right
04:48 yNos just had my first feldhell contact..
04:48 Bat-Mobile the next time there's a forum post, there should be a link in the alert to the forums in general
04:48 Sgt_Lemming cool
04:49 Bat-Mobile When I can get into the RSS and find out where the links are, I can see about putting them in
04:51 lwq1996 which you will never get to because of laziness :p
04:52 Sgt_Lemming also the forum search fails hardcore
04:52 lwq1996 how so
04:52 Sgt_Lemming searched for "debian" got 0 results
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04:56 lwq1996 hia leadhead
04:58 lwq1996 botsteve should i go to bed
04:58 BotSteve Oh yeah!
04:58 lwq1996 damn the only time i want you to say no
04:59 Toastdude BotSteve: Should you reconsider?
04:59 BotSteve Ask again later!
04:59 Toastdude BotSteve: Should you reconsider?
04:59 BotSteve I don't think so
04:59 Toastdude BotSteve: Should you reconsider?
04:59 BotSteve No way
04:59 Toastdude Ok
04:59 Toastdude Thanks BotSteve
04:59 BotSteve You're welcome, Toastdude
04:59 lwq1996 toastdude shut up
04:59 lwq1996 :P
05:00 Toastdude :P
05:00 Bat-Mobile lwq1996: bite me
05:00 Bat-Mobile (:
05:01 lwq1996 i wish there was a new physics duck video
05:01 lwq1996 and where do you want me to bite ;P
05:01 lwq1996 ;)
05:01 LeadHead .last seen
05:01 LeadHead .seen
05:01 BotSteve AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower' (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg-botsteve/modules/seen.py", line 42, in f_seen)
05:01 LeadHead .seen Cprossu
05:01 Toastdude .seen seen
05:01 BotSteve LeadHead: I last saw cprossu 8.59 hours ago at 2011-10-15 20:26:19 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:01:45 UTC
05:01 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen seen around.
05:01 LeadHead darn
05:02 lwq1996 .seen charie sheen
05:02 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen charie around.
05:02 lwq1996 lol
05:02 Toastdude .seen you
05:02 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen you around.
05:02 Toastdude I'm right here, BotSteve!
05:03 Bat-Mobile .seen kyle
05:03 BotSteve He's about this tall?  Seen Kyle?
05:03 Bat-Mobile (:
05:04 yNos that picture is old.
05:04 yNos :P
05:04 lwq1996 wtf?
05:04 lwq1996 i dont get that botsteve
05:05 lwq1996 batsteve*
05:05 Bat-Mobile "seen kyle?" was a joke on the internet a few years ago
05:06 lwq1996 how so?
05:06 Katemonster http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/seen-kyle#.TppmaXJdBvM
05:07 Bat-Mobile .seen
05:07 BotSteve No user provided!
05:07 Bat-Mobile fixed!
05:07 Bat-Mobile another bug bites the dust!
05:08 lwq1996 lol
05:08 Katemonster .seen katemonster
05:08 BotSteve Katemonster: I last saw katemonster 0.02 hours ago at 2011-10-16 05:06:59 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:08:15 UTC
05:08 lwq1996 .seen lwq1996
05:08 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw lwq1996 0.01 hours ago at 2011-10-16 05:08:06 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:08:41 UTC
05:10 lwq1996 .seen kyle
05:10 BotSteve He's about this tall?  Seen Kyle?
05:11 lwq1996 ok ima now use that around a jew named kyle
05:15 Hackbat http://www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/anyone-seen-kyle.jpg
05:15 Hackbat oh :c you linked the know your meme site
05:16 lwq1996 another addicting site
05:16 yNos Katemonster: where in wa did you say you were?
05:16 Katemonster Spokane
05:16 Katemonster whynos?
05:17 yNos just wondered.. just got done with a guy in port orchard.. on the other side of seattle from you i think..
05:17 yNos KQ7W
05:19 Katemonster .wa distance from spokane to seattle
05:19 BotSteve distance->from->Spokane, Washington, to->Seattle, Washington;230.3 miles;370.7 km  (kilometers);370711 meters;3.707&times;10^7 cm  (centimeters);200.2 nmi  (nautical miles);aircraft  (550 mph)->25 minutes, sound->18 minutes, light in fiber->1.73 ms  (milliseconds), light in vacuum->1.24 ms  (milliseconds), (assuming constant-speed great-circle path)
05:19 lwq1996 i wonder if anyone has ever turned an external hardrive into a usb ubuntu live
05:20 yNos just a few miles.
05:20 Katemonster just a few
05:20 Katemonster we are actually only about half an hour from the idaho border
05:21 yNos cool
05:22 yNos we are talking about taking a trip out to yellowstone next year.
05:22 yNos or gnp
05:23 lwq1996 gnp?
05:23 yNos glacier natnl park
05:23 yNos .w gnp
05:23 BotSteve "Gross National Product (GNP) is the market value of all products and services produced in one year by labor and property supplied by the residents of a country." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_product
05:23 yNos err..
05:23 yNos .w glacier national park
05:23 BotSteve "Glacier National Park (Canada) in British Columbia, Canada" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_national_park
05:23 lwq1996 lol
05:24 yNos gdamn
05:24 yNos .w Glacier National Park (U.S.)
05:24 BotSteve "Glacier National Park is located in the U.S. state of Montana, bordering the Canadian provinces of Alberta and British Columbia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_National_Park_(U.S.)
05:24 lwq1996 lol
05:25 egrsteve|away .seen cprossu
05:25 BotSteve egrsteve|away: I last saw cprossu 8.99 hours ago at 2011-10-15 20:26:19 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:25:50 UTC
05:26 yNos hiya steve
05:26 lwq1996 egrsteve are you still away
05:28 lwq1996 .w weigh a buck 25
05:28 BotSteve "The Boer goat was developed in South Africa in the early 1900s for meat production." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_goat
05:28 lwq1996 HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT OUT OF WHAT I SAID
05:29 lwq1996 BATSTEVE YOU BOT IS FUCKING STUPID
05:29 Hackbat .w "Weigh a buck 25"
05:29 BotSteve Can't find anything in Wikipedia for ""Weigh a buck 25"".
05:29 Hackbat .g Weigh a buck 25
05:30 BotSteve Hackbat: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/kidink/calidreamin.html
05:30 lwq1996 and now chrome is being stupid
05:30 Bat-Mobile lwq1996: what are you talking about?
05:31 lwq1996 watch batsteve
05:31 lwq1996 .w weigh a buck 25
05:31 BotSteve "The Boer goat was developed in South Africa in the early 1900s for meat production." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_goat
05:31 Bat-Mobile So what?
05:31 Bat-Mobile what's it supposed to give back?
05:32 lwq1996 the right thing...i never said the code is wrong im just saying hes brain dead
05:33 Bat-Mobile no
05:33 Bat-Mobile I'm asking you
05:33 lwq1996 .ud weighs a buck 25
05:33 BotSteve lwq1996: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Buck%20Fifty&amp;defid=1570075
05:33 Bat-Mobile what is the right thing?
05:33 Bat-Mobile what do you want it to say in return?
05:34 lwq1996 idk thats why i did it...its a quote that chris and people uses...they weigh a buck twenty five so i wanted to know what it ment
05:34 Bat-Mobile oh.  Well, duh, you're not going to get a response from the bot for that
05:35 Bat-Mobile $1.25.  125.  One hundred twenty five pounds.
05:37 Hackbat fucking love my kindle
05:39 lwq1996 why
05:40 Hackbat it's awesome
05:40 Bat-Mobile you got one too?
05:40 Bat-Mobile isn't it fantastic?
05:40 Bat-Mobile what kind did you get?
05:40 Hackbat The Kindle Basic
05:40 Bat-Mobile No keyboard?  Did you get 3g?
05:40 Hackbat lol
05:40 Hackbat no 3g on basics
05:41 Bat-Mobile ah, drat
05:41 Hackbat for 79 dollars I think I did fine
05:41 lwq1996 keyboard?
05:41 Sgt_Lemming thinking about getting the fire, looks pretty awesome
05:41 Sgt_Lemming and cheep too
05:41 Hackbat it's the newest one
05:41 Hackbat my mom is ordering the fire
05:41 Bat-Mobile I agree, except that I wanted the 3g because I'm all over the place
05:41 Hackbat if you wait until she gets it I can give you a review
05:41 Katemonster your mom is calling a fire mission?
05:42 * Katemonster hasn't been paying attention
05:42 Bat-Mobile But yeah, for $79 you can't go wrong.
05:42 Bat-Mobile Does your local library support Kindle Library?
05:42 Hackbat no but the one in the next town does
05:42 Hackbat for like 10 dollars a year
05:43 Hackbat looks liek there's a HUGE waiting list for allt he books though
05:43 Hackbat like 50 people PER book
05:43 Hackbat seeing as there's a 14 day lend period
05:44 yNos gnite all
05:44 Hackbat it'd be 700 days before I got one
05:45 Hackbat brb need food
05:46 Bat-Mobile Ten bucks a year?  The most worth-it deal you'll ever make
05:47 Hackbat yeah
05:47 Hackbat but it's through a regional libray
05:48 Hackbat with like 3-4 counties of people using the one digital library
05:48 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: RZR_LZR on Battle of the microcontrollers (in Debian).....Bill Jones on Network Meeting
05:49 lwq1996 i got to reboot...brb
05:49 Hackbat great
05:49 lwq1996 no browser is responding
05:49 Hackbat awesome
05:49 Hackbat instead of pizza, and hamburgers, and yummy desert
05:49 Bat-Mobile hey!
05:49 Hackbat Dessert
05:49 Bat-Mobile Sgt_Lemming: looky there!
05:49 Hackbat I have to eat ramen
05:49 Sgt_Lemming noice
05:50 Sgt_Lemming thanks Bat-Mobile
05:50 Hackbat not even my favorite flavor D:<
05:50 Bat-Mobile happy to help, sarge
05:52 Sgt_Lemming Bat-Mobile, it links to the front page of the forum... not the post.
05:54 Bat-Mobile Sgt_Lemming: as I said, this is the ugly, hackish solution that I could do in 60 seconds
05:54 Sgt_Lemming yeah, that's cool
05:54 Bat-Mobile I can do the better, correct solution, but not tonight.  too sleepy
05:54 Sgt_Lemming thats ok
05:54 Sgt_Lemming wasn't expecting miracles :-P
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06:06 lwq1996 hi
06:06 Hackbat yo
06:06 lwq1996 i hate doing that
06:07 lwq1996 needed to be done tho
06:07 Hackbat sup
06:07 lwq1996 nothing
06:08 * Hackbat is eating ramen
06:09 lwq1996 NOODLES
06:09 Hackbat hmmm?
06:09 lwq1996 what?
06:09 Hackbat why'd ya yell"?
06:10 lwq1996 i love noodles
06:10 Hackbat ah
06:10 * Hackbat is eating maruchan Cup Ramen to be exact
06:19 lwq1996 im bored
06:23 Bat-Mobile me too.  luckily, I have a plan
06:23 Hackbat lol
06:23 lwq1996 damn you
06:23 lwq1996 im now stuck alone with hackbat
06:24 Hackbat well I love you too lwq1996 :\
06:24 * lwq1996 hugs hackbat
06:25 lwq1996 i didnt mean it that way
06:36 lwq1996 .me pokes hackbat in his belly button
06:37 Hackbat hmm?
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06:39 lwq1996 yes?
06:48 lwq1996 i should go to bed
06:48 lwq1996 night everyone
06:49 lwq1996 night hackbat my beloved friend
06:49 Hackbat night
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06:56 Toastdude Hi livefiretj
08:29 Experimentonomen *yawn*
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10:58 Seroster Oi
11:14 angy S'roster!
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12:46 Sasha___ Hello :)
12:50 Experimentonomen g'day
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13:04 wannabe1987 .
13:04 wannabe1987 what BotSteve, no messages for me?  :(
13:05 wannabe1987 .log
13:05 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
13:08 Sasha___ Hello wannabe1987
13:09 wannabe1987 hi Sasha___
13:09 Sasha___ Hmm.. I was wondering which hard drive I should buy to replace my 2tb WD
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13:42 Sasha___ Hello Bigtony
13:43 Sasha___ (and tonsofpcs)
13:43 Bigtony hello
13:43 Bigtony I take it the stream is still down
13:44 Sasha___ Still? Since when is it down?
13:45 Bigtony I haven't been on here in a few days, Chris mention on his video blog the the computer had crashed
13:46 Sasha___ Oh, huh. Didn't see that one yet.
13:48 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   Captain's Blog 10-14-11 Givecamp, Cutting, Projector, Wire http://youtu.be/i2wmEcOAg4o
13:48 masterofmonks This might be a bit disturbing.
13:48 masterofmonks BotSteve: "2011年10 月13 日下午5點25分,佛山南海黃岐廣佛五金城一名約3歲大的小女孩在市場玩耍,突然一輛麵包車把她撞倒在地上,前輪壓過,司機又加油門後輪從女童身上壓過,小女孩躺在路中心­動彈不得,但尚有生命迹象。期間多名路人經過,但卻無動於衷。幾分鐘過後,一輛貨車再次從小女孩身上輾過,此時已經奄奄一息的小女孩不
13:48 masterofmonks 停地揮動著兩隻小手,似乎在向路人求­救。但冷漠的路人依然不願而去,期間還有不少車輛經過,十分危險。短短九分鐘的閉路電視片段中,共有20位路人經過,甚至還有帶著小孩的母親,也有停下來看熱鬧的車主,但­卻没有一位願意幫小女孩一把,也没有人拿起手機撥打電話報警,任由小女孩在原地痛苦地呻吟,任由車輛從她身邊經過
13:48 masterofmonks 。最後是一位拾荒的阿姨把小女孩從路中心抱到路邊,並到處­尋找被撞小女孩的媽媽。
13:48 masterofmonks 當我最後看到拾荒阿姨拉起全身癱瘓軟如麵條的孩子的時候,我真的哭了出來。
13:48 masterofmonks 孩子被阿姨拉起的時候完全就是一根麵條啊。請問人性何在?
13:49 masterofmonks 麻煩各方兄弟把此短片發放出去,讓社會多點聲音去討論和關注內地人民的問題。"?
13:49 NeWtoz umm, hi
13:49 masterofmonks Hm appartenyly he doesn's understand chinese.
13:50 NeWtoz neither does my irc client
13:50 angy BotSteve: 您好 ?
13:52 angy I bet he's not utf8 compliant
13:52 masterofmonks Probably for the best honestly.
13:53 masterofmonks It is a rather disturbing news article.
13:53 Seroster BotSteve: Horfitta?
13:53 angy and he does not like Seroster
13:54 masterofmonks BotSteve: "horfitta"?
13:54 BotSteve masterofmonks: Language guessing failed, so try suggesting one!
13:54 angy that is also for the best
13:54 angy oh, he needs quotes?
13:54 angy BotSteve: "您好"?
13:54 BotSteve angy: "Hello" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com)
13:54 angy he can understand chinese then
13:54 Seroster BotSteve: "經過,甚至"?
13:54 BotSteve Seroster: "After, or even" (zh-TW to en, translate.google.com)
13:55 masterofmonks Then it must have been the fact it was broken up into multiple messages.
13:55 Seroster Yes..
13:55 angy he may not be able to create a buffer to store all of it
13:55 Seroster Nah
13:55 Seroster He just replies to one line
13:55 Seroster Storage isnt a problem
13:55 * angy bufferize Seroster
13:56 Seroster BotSteve: buffer angy
13:57 angy .cookie Seroster
13:57 BotSteve Here you go, Seroster, I baked you an oatmeal chocolate chip cookie!
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14:00 Sasha___ So guys, which HDD do you think I should buy to replace my 2TB WD drive?
14:01 NeWtoz depends
14:01 NeWtoz on what you want, speed, capacity, etc
14:01 NeWtoz oh, you did say HDD
14:04 westmi amazon.com is where I get my hardware
14:05 NeWtoz especially if you have prime
14:05 Cprossu hey everyone I made it to Indiana just fine
14:06 NeWtoz dang it, my plan didn't work!
14:06 NeWtoz oh, ignore that
14:06 * Cprossu mumbles something at NeWtoz
14:06 Cprossu Sasha___ get a seagate made in thailand if you have the choice
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14:09 Cprossu BotSteve: tell egrsteve I made it to indianapolis safely, a package is being shipped with the name "Cprossu Donotopenyet" make sure it isn't opened yet, UPS tracking is 1ZX887810362681320
14:09 BotSteve Cprossu: I'll pass that on when egrsteve is around.
14:11 wannabe1987 oooowhat is it Cprossu?
14:11 Sasha___ Hmm… What do you guys this is the most reliable brand then? I've read that Seagate and Hitachi make good drives, Samsung and WD ok drives, and Maxtor make horrible drives. Is it true?
14:11 angy if he don't have an evil twin, it's cprossu
14:11 wannabe1987 i don't know drives....sorry
14:12 NeWtoz depends on who you ask
14:12 Cprossu yeah each tech has their own experience that's based on russian roulette
14:13 Cprossu for me WD has been the most dissapointing
14:13 angy here I never had a problem with WD
14:13 angy (consumer wise, not industrial wise)
14:13 Cprossu industry wise all SSD's and spinning platter drives suck
14:14 Sasha___ Neither have I. However the HDD I got a couple of months ago from WD is starting to make funny noises, and I am scared it may fail any time.
14:14 Cprossu Sasha___ it will. get your data off it pronto
14:14 wannabe1987 m hm
14:14 wannabe1987 my parents
14:14 Cprossu hdd's are only built with so much extra room for error correction
14:14 wannabe1987 ' died and they have 5+ years of photos on it
14:14 Sasha___ Thats the thing: I first need to find a good replacement drive
14:14 wannabe1987 that cannot be saved cheaply
14:14 Cprossu what's dissapointed me about WD is their electronics packaging
14:15 Cprossu Sasha___ got any thumb drives?
14:15 Sasha___ A 2tb one?
14:15 Cprossu offload 'em now if you're hearing noise.
14:15 Cprossu you don't have 2tb of data
14:15 Cprossu guaranteed
14:15 Sasha___ Well… 1.2-1.4 tb in total
14:15 Cprossu get the stuff you need to save offloaded
14:15 Cprossu hint: it's not the entire drive
14:16 NeWtoz this is why everyone should have a raided NAS ;)
14:16 Cprossu like taxes, pictures, videos, personal writings
14:16 angy depend on what you use for... drives
14:16 Cprossu fires tend to kill those NeWtoz
14:16 Sasha___ I don't give a s*** about taxes, I'm 16 :P
14:16 angy raided NAS can be disastrous
14:16 NeWtoz heh
14:16 NeWtoz everything can be disastrous
14:16 Cprossu well do you give a $@#$ about anything on your hdd that is 'irreplacable'?
14:17 angy if you buy it already mounted, with hard drives in it, you will end up with hard drives from the same batch
14:17 angy they can be fun and crash all at the same time
14:17 Cprossu generally "irreplacable' things will take up fewer than 8gb
14:17 * NeWtoz knows
14:17 Cprossu for a personal computer
14:17 Cprossu (not in business)
14:17 Sasha___ I'm not too worried though. It is mostly filled with movies and tv shows
14:18 Cprossu then no big deal
14:18 Sasha___ I was thinking of building something like this: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ but on a much smaller scale for home us
14:18 Sasha___ *use
14:18 Cprossu I think the 2tb 7200 seagate's are usually cheap
14:19 * masterofmonks pokes tonsofpcs with a spatula.
14:19 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131732
14:19 Cprossu ^ 6 sata's itx.
14:19 NeWtoz the more you post that, the more I wish I had one
14:19 * Experimentonomen takes the spatula and flips masterofmonks like a pancake ;)
14:20 masterofmonks I am the spatula monger, I am unflippable.
14:20 Cprossu brb  I need to set my htpc to record the walking dead tonight
14:20 Sasha___ brb  I need to set my htpc to record th… oh wait, it's called torrents :D
14:20 angy when you start having huge raid arrays, you fear the fsck/scrub (deepen on the FS)
14:21 * Experimentonomen is torrenting a PS2 game
14:21 NeWtoz pirates!
14:21 Sasha___ Hey, its completely legal where I live!
14:21 Experimentonomen well the game im torrenting is/was only sold in the USA and i live in sweden so i dont really have a choice
14:22 NeWtoz I'd more of say it's not illegal, then legal
14:22 NeWtoz but I say this as I'm doing stuff too
14:22 Sasha___ Well, the only illegal part is uploading. And I do upload quite a bit.
14:23 Sasha___ But hey, who said that I was uploading illegal things :P?
14:24 Sasha___ Did I just kill chat?
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14:29 Experimentonomen hm
14:33 angy it's safe to answer: yes
14:33 * Experimentonomen burps some life into the chat
14:39 NeWtoz I'm finally listening to the new blink-182 cd
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14:42 Experimentonomen and im nuking some dinner in the microwave
14:42 cprossu_pancakeh do your torrents do real HD?
14:42 cprossu_pancakeh my HTPC does thanks to it's cablecard tuner
14:43 cprossu_pancakeh @ Sasha___
14:45 Sasha___ Yes?
14:45 Sasha___ Oh, most of my torrents are 720p.
14:45 NeWtoz "real HD" heh
14:46 Sasha___ Hey, considering that I can't get most of them from here, I find that 720p does just fine.
14:46 Experimentonomen 720p is technically not HD
14:46 angy I bet your ISP don't
14:47 Sasha___ What doesn't my ISP do angy?
14:47 NeWtoz I'm guessing Cprossu's definition is based on the bitrate? or something
14:47 Experimentonomen neither is 1080i
14:47 Experimentonomen only 1080p is real HD and so far only the more expensive flat screens have the 1080p native res
14:48 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Angy on iOS 5
14:50 Sasha___ Honestly speaking, I can't notice much difference between 720p and 1080p on my 13" screen
14:51 cprossu_pancakeh Sasha___:  I can tell the difference on my 60" 1080P panasonic
14:51 Experimentonomen thats cuz the pixles are physically sdmaller on a small screen
14:52 Sasha___ :O
14:52 cprossu_pancakeh it records digitally @ 1080i I think
14:52 cprossu_pancakeh ~12 megs a second iirc
14:52 Sasha___ Damn…. the biggest TV I have is a 23" CRT !!
14:52 Experimentonomen itntakes a big tv like 35-40 inch to be able to notice a difference
14:52 cprossu_pancakeh I wouldn't have a HTPC if I didn't have a T to attach the rest to
14:52 angy what's the max resolution of you 13'' Sasha___, if it's not 1920x1080, obviously, you won't notice differences
14:53 Experimentonomen and honestly, the diff between 720 and 1080p is so small its almost outside of what the human eye can detect
14:53 Sasha___ 1440x900
14:53 cprossu_pancakeh that's a hot little 13"er
14:53 Experimentonomen most tv's are 1024x768
14:53 Sasha___ It's called a Macbook, dunno if you're heard. They're quite cool.
14:53 cprossu_pancakeh Experimentonomen:  any human eye can detect mpeg artifacting
14:54 cprossu_pancakeh you mean most TV's are 320x240
14:54 Experimentonomen uh no
14:54 cprossu_pancakeh well line wise anyway
14:55 cprossu_pancakeh (525P)
14:55 Experimentonomen crt tvs are specced in lines. not pixles, im talkin abt lcd/plasma panels
14:55 cprossu_pancakeh most TV's are CRT
14:55 cprossu_pancakeh which is what I was getting at
14:55 Experimentonomen in sweden, u cant buy a crt tv anymore
14:56 Sasha___ Oh fly? How come?
14:56 Experimentonomen its all lcd or plasma here now since years back
14:56 Sasha___ *really?
14:56 Experimentonomen crt is long obsolete
14:56 angy not for all
14:56 Sasha___ Not in my house it aint :P
14:57 angy if you need specific color rendering, you still use CRT
14:57 masterofmonks CRT still makes the easiest oscope.
14:57 Experimentonomen i disposed of all my crt stuff years ago
14:57 cprossu_pancakeh I hate LCD's for my main desktop screen
14:58 Sasha___ Do you guys think that 444$ for a Samsung 40" LED TV is a good deal?
14:58 Experimentonomen my lappy is 17" lcd and my tv is 42" plasma
14:58 angy time to detach! see ya!
14:58 Experimentonomen Sasha___, make that LED backlit LCD
14:58 Sasha___ Yeah. So is it worth it?
14:59 masterofmonks cprossu_pancakeh: my last CRY was a 22" Sun Monitor that weighed 200lbs.
14:59 masterofmonks CRT*
14:59 Experimentonomen well they draw less power than the ccfl backlit ones
14:59 Experimentonomen and the led backlight makes them thinner and lighter
14:59 Experimentonomen but since led has a narrower spectrum than ccfl, colors will look different
15:00 Sasha___ I know.. I just heard that Samsung didn't build reliable PSUs and stuff. I was quite surprised at the price. I just need to know if this is a great deal, a good deal, or a deal...
15:01 Experimentonomen i'd go with a plasma since LCD tv's arent as forgiving to low quality signals and usually look blocky and smeared
15:01 Experimentonomen a issue thats much less pronounced on a plasma
15:01 NeWtoz it also depends on the model #
15:01 Experimentonomen atleast a saleman told me so when i bought my panasonic plasma
15:02 Sasha___ It's a Samsung Ue-40d5003
15:02 Experimentonomen look up some reviews about it
15:03 Experimentonomen if it has overall poor ratings, then dont buy
15:04 cprossu_pancakeh signing off
15:05 cprossu_pancakeh masterofmonks:  currently running 2 22" CRT's, one by NEC one by Mistu, both have same tube
15:05 masterofmonks Mine had a nice trinitron tube.
15:05 cprossu_pancakeh my 20"ers had trinitron tubes
15:05 masterofmonks But when it finally died, I was happy to not ever have to move it again.
15:06 * Experimentonomen plays some instant remedy on spotify
15:06 cprossu_pancakeh those trinitrons were butt busters
15:06 cprossu_pancakeh lates
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15:35 egrsteve morning all
15:35 BotSteve egrsteve: I have the following messages for you:
15:35 BotSteve At 14:09Z, Cprossu asked me to tell egrsteve I made it to indianapolis safely, a package is being shipped with the name "Cprossu Donotopenyet" make sure it isn't opened yet, UPS tracking is 1ZX887810362681320
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15:39 egrsteve Yat, I have mail
15:39 egrsteve well botmail
15:39 egrsteve *Yay
15:39 lwq1996 hi people
15:40 lwq1996 hi steve
15:40 egrsteve hi lee
15:40 lwq1996 hmmm...should i get a surface mount function generator...or just the regular through hole
15:42 angy hi Steve
15:43 egrsteve how much soldering have you done in the past?
15:43 egrsteve hi angy
15:43 lwq1996 not that much
15:44 egrsteve more so what is your skill level, can you make consistant, shiny through hole solder joints or are they inconsistant
15:45 angy I'm going to try bringing you a diode :)
15:45 lwq1996 um i have never soldered anything to a board...i just desolder alot of parts
15:45 egrsteve then I would sudgest the through hole
15:46 egrsteve thanks angy
15:46 lwq1996 ok. that will be a good start with soldering
15:46 egrsteve placing and assembeling will be much easier
15:47 lwq1996 i was assuming that was so...and i dont have the eyes for small numbers or guessing how big something is
15:47 angy I wanted to bring the huge one, but it weights roughly 2 times what I can bring in luggage
15:47 egrsteve SMD requires a few more tool and a fair amount of practice, starting with through hole and working to SMD is a good idea
15:47 lwq1996 ok
15:48 egrsteve angy that would be fun, alse no giant diode
15:48 lwq1996 plus its cheaper than the smd version so yeah
15:48 egrsteve where are you buying your kit?
15:49 lwq1996 elexp.com
15:49 angy I'll bring you cookie instead
15:51 lwq1996 anyone know where to get a cheap osciloscope that plugs into the computer
15:52 angy eBay ?
15:53 masterofmonks lwq1996: what is your budget?
15:53 lwq1996 hmmm 200-300(for my christms list
16:00 masterofmonks lwq1996: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9484
16:00 masterofmonks Not saying it's the best, but...
16:02 Cprossu I see you got my message egrsteve
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16:03 lwq1996 i gtg
16:03 lwq1996 later
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16:05 Cprossu I really like picoscopes but they are expensive @ lwq-away lwq1996
16:07 Cprossu so egrsteve, http://frys.com/
16:07 Cprossu ^ search stuff there and tell me if you guys need anything
16:08 Cprossu .seen producerbill
16:08 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw producerbill 784.63 hours ago at 2011-09-13 23:30:51 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 16:08:25 UTC
16:09 Cprossu tggmc anyone at the lab?
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16:17 dbshortwave welp
16:17 dbshortwave i need a video card
16:17 dbshortwave by the looks of it
16:18 dbshortwave ;/
16:30 injektion :(
16:31 dbshortwave the one i want i dont know if its compatable with this dell
16:31 dbshortwave its picky with AGP
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16:33 dbshortwave i tell you what
16:33 dbshortwave i love this creative live card
16:33 Katemonster :(
16:33 dbshortwave i can flood the house with 60hz
16:34 dbshortwave i love bass but im not fond of dubstep lol
16:34 Seroster Pizza for dinner?
16:35 Seroster I also love bass, but I prefer salmon.
16:35 injektion wtf
16:35 injektion There was a power surge last night and now my fans are acting weird
16:36 dbshortwave >.>
16:36 dbshortwave thats not good
16:36 Cprossu dell. it's american for "We don't follow standards and make shitty bios"
16:37 injektion Dell: Everything you bought from us was made by the lowest bidder
16:38 Cprossu Dell: and then it was put together by slave labor
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16:39 injektion brb doing a shutdown a
16:40 tonsofpcs Cprossu: do you have that bell labs thing?
16:40 masterofmonks Oh there you are.
16:40 tonsofpcs Dell: You want a standard monitoring system?  Only if you use ours!
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16:42 injektion Seems to be ok now
16:43 injektion I don't even have restart on power failure expect and what my dad told me it did :|
16:43 dbshortwave odd
16:44 injektion http://goput.it/b08.png
16:45 Cprossu tonsofpcs WHICH ONE?
16:50 masterofmonks Cprossu: The rip of The Bell System Technical Journal we made a few months ago.
16:51 masterofmonks The thing is that the TPB torrent is not working, so I created a new one and put it on demonoid.
16:52 dbshortwave hells bells laboratories
16:54 Cprossu yeah I have it somewhere
17:00 dbshortwave man this sound card gives the onboard a run for its money
17:11 tonsofpcs how so?
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17:55 dbshortwave its a sound blaster live audigy2 platnum
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18:00 BotSteve Cookies, Sandwiches, Skittles, Oh my!
18:01 wannabe1987 um.
18:01 wannabe1987 hi BotSteve
18:01 BotSteve Yo wannabe1987!
18:01 Experimentonomen heh
18:03 wannabe1987 hi Experimentonomen
18:15 egrsteve good after-morning everyone
18:15 dbshortwave first time of using this card a mixer ..
18:15 dbshortwave wow i like
18:15 dbshortwave as a**
18:19 wannabe1987 hi egrsteve
18:19 Experimentonomen i always thought it was weird that most soundcards back in the day had the game port on it instead of on the mnotherboard
18:20 Experimentonomen and i had alot of fun with a soundblaster awe32 card as a kid, had its own simm ram module for soundfonts and stuff
18:26 Seroster Arrr
18:26 Seroster Hey Experimentonomen do you know where to get good cheap compressor oil in sweden?
18:28 dbshortwave i still have a card like that Experimentonomen
18:29 * angy pokes Seroster eye
18:29 * Seroster rips out angys vocal cords.
18:30 * angy strangle Seroster with Seroster's bowels
18:30 Seroster strangles*
18:30 angy you do the spell checking, I do the gore
18:31 dbshortwave lol
18:31 angy Howdy Batty
18:31 BatSteve hey angy
18:31 BotSteve BatSteve: I have the following messages for you:
18:31 BotSteve At 04:32Z, Sgt_Lemming asked me to tell BatSteve that it'd be nice if the "new posts on the forum" also gave a link to said link, perhaps a tinyurl'd link?
18:32 * dbshortwave scratches chin
18:32 * dbshortwave steals angy's cookies. Mwahaha!
18:32 Katemonster hey batsteve
18:32 Katemonster ...and angy
18:32 BatSteve hey kate
18:33 angy Kate! Lovely Kate!
18:33 * Katemonster is listening to 8mm
18:33 Katemonster Angy!  Terrible Angy!
18:33 angy That's me!
18:33 Katemonster Strikes fear into the hearts of his enemies.
18:34 angy :)
18:34 angy don't /ever again/ steal my cookies!
18:35 dbshortwave heh
18:36 angy just ask for a few, better if you don't want to be strangled by Seroster's guts
18:37 dbshortwave ill throw a pink macintosh at you
18:37 dbshortwave i think its throw >.>
18:37 dbshortwave lol slap war?
18:37 angy I think it's going to take a dive in the pond, you should have waited for me to get in the US before throwing it
18:38 dbshortwave lol wonder how far a trebuchet will fling a mac?
18:39 angy that's something to try
18:40 dbshortwave gotta find a non working one...
18:41 dbshortwave been done -.- http://youtu.be/_hXq_F4Ug6w
18:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Tmb on Project Smiljan
18:56 Cprossu howdy from dunkin' donuts
18:56 BatSteve howdy Cprossu
18:57 BatSteve Where in the world are you?
18:57 Cprossu Indianapolis
18:57 BatSteve Cool!  And by that I mean "At least it's not ohio"
18:57 Cprossu and carmen sandiego is north of me
18:57 Cprossu I think
18:58 wannabe1987 astro73 - yay geeky love?
18:58 Cprossu I can't play garrysmod on my netbook though :(
18:58 wannabe1987 yay for it *not* being oh io
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18:59 angy P'ky!
18:59 BatSteve Ponko!
18:59 Ponko BatSteve, Angy :D
18:59 wannabe1987 angy!
18:59 wannabe1987 Ponko!
18:59 angy wannabee!
19:00 Ponko Wannabe1987!
19:00 BatSteve Other name!
19:00 Ponko GREEN ARMY
19:00 BatSteve GREEN ARMY
19:01 Ponko GET ON YOU JANNER
19:01 Cprossu as for ohio, what's round on the ends and high in the middle?
19:01 angy Seroster?
19:01 Seroster I EAT BABIES! :@
19:01 Cprossu lol.
19:02 Cprossu .yt Jocko Homo Live
19:02 BotSteve Cprossu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-lM4W70nNY
19:02 angy baby snail ?
19:02 Ponko Cprossu the Cincinnati Bengals
19:03 tonsofpcs looking at replacing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269004 with 3x Pioneer SP-BS41-LR bookshelf pairs ( http://www.woot.com/ ).  Thoughts?
19:03 Ponko they start of abit flacid have a brust through the middle then end up flopping
19:04 tonsofpcs (in a 5.1 system with a polk sub)
19:07 Cprossu yeah you can do better than those speakers
19:07 Cprossu I do like polks though
19:07 Cprossu cheap for the most part and excellent acoustics
19:11 Cprossu I has a donut
19:11 Cprossu http://oi53.tinypic.com/33b1k76.jpg
19:11 BatSteve tasty!
19:12 angy get me one :)
19:12 Cprossu I'd get you one Seroster but they're out of 'baby flavored'
19:12 Seroster I EAT BABIES! :@
19:13 Cprossu .donut angy
19:13 dbshortwave gotta stop siffing the epoxy fumes
19:13 Cprossu damn
19:13 * angy pats Seroster's back
19:13 Cprossu .cookie angy
19:13 BotSteve Here you go, angy, I baked you a bacon cookie!
19:13 angy bacon cookie? Oo
19:13 Cprossu a bacon cookie?!
19:13 Cprossu I guess I'll have to make up for that
19:13 BatSteve mmmmmmm
19:14 BatSteve Bacon in a cookie?
19:14 masterofmonks I could pull it off.
19:14 Cprossu .skittles angy
19:14 BotSteve Here you go, angy, I got you some sour apple skittles!
19:14 Cprossu wow
19:14 Cprossu BotSteve is really missing today
19:14 angy at least, it's not a bacon skittle
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19:14 masterofmonks But you would need heat to balance the savory and the sweet.
19:14 Cprossu now I have another thing to apologize for lol
19:15 * Cprossu shakes fist at BotSteve's codebase
19:15 dbshortwave rofl
19:15 Cprossu I'll try again before I fill it with 'nil
19:16 Cprossu .cookie angy
19:16 BotSteve Here you go, angy, I baked you a ginger cookie!
19:16 Cprossu .skittles angy
19:16 BotSteve Here you go, angy, I got you some green skittles!
19:16 angy :)
19:16 Cprossu well at least that's normal
19:16 * angy hugs Toastdude
19:16 Toastdude Angy!
19:16 * Toastdude hugs angy
19:16 Toastdude :D
19:17 tonsofpcs Cprossu: better than what?
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19:18 Cprossu I mean BotSteve's selection choice
19:18 Katemonster hey it's Toasty McHackedalot
19:18 angy Cprossu: I'm going to experiment bacon cookie with you if you end up in GR when I'll be there
19:18 Cprossu I was trying to be nice and it gave out the cookies and skittles everyone ignores
19:18 tonsofpcs 15:07:04 < Cprossu> yeah you can do better than those speakers
19:18 Cprossu ooohhhh yeah.
19:18 wannabe1987 bye! job interviews (open) at mcdonalds....
19:18 tonsofpcs looking at replacing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269004 with 3x Pioneer SP-BS41-LR bookshelf pairs ( http://www.woot.com/ ).
19:18 Toastdude Bye wannabe!!!!
19:18 Cprossu some nice polks go on sale usually for $110 a pair
19:19 Cprossu hahahaha
19:19 Cprossu your old ones are really lightweight
19:19 tonsofpcs you expect a $55 polk to be better than an 8"x8"x16" pio?
19:19 tonsofpcs yea they are
19:19 Cprossu yep
19:19 Cprossu sound quality wise anyway
19:19 tonsofpcs they sound pretty decent but they don't have the same 'oomph' across the band
19:20 tonsofpcs there's no hard distortion that i'd expect in something that cheap, but they still aint flat
19:21 Cprossu a cheap polk audio or monitor quality (not to be confused with their car products) generally wipes the floor with quite a lot of the market
19:21 tonsofpcs ht mag seems to like the pios
19:21 Cprossu you have to look at klipsch before you start knocking the polks around
19:21 Cprossu or hear anyway
19:22 tonsofpcs that reminds me, i need to buy a center Genelec for work...
19:22 Cprossu (because looking won't help without the aid of an oscillioscope and a good mic)
19:23 Cprossu tonsofpcs will you be going to GR again anytime soon?
19:23 Cprossu just curious
19:23 tonsofpcs http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-sp-bs41-lr-speaker-system
19:23 tonsofpcs Cprossu: not planning on it
19:24 Sasha___ After spending 2.5 hours replacing an iPhone 4 screen, I started taking much better care of mine!
19:25 Cprossu whenever I see that type of speaker grille though tonsofpcs I get nervous
19:25 tonsofpcs Cprossu: why?
19:26 Cprossu and the fact they are 6 ohms is omnious
19:26 Cprossu because usually it means low quality build
19:26 Cprossu and rattles later
19:27 Cprossu and lots of hot glue on the inside
19:27 tonsofpcs ?
19:27 Cprossu my unprofessional declaration is a cheap pair of polks will wipe the floor with those
19:28 tonsofpcs cheap pair of polks like? (model?)
19:31 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290203
19:31 Cprossu these generally go on sale for $140 a pair in my area
19:31 Cprossu they are really really nice
19:32 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290201 <- have yet to hear a pair of these yet
19:33 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290204 ,- and these I've seen go for $100 a pair
19:35 tonsofpcs I'm thinking that the 3-cone design will lead to sounds not sounding like they're coming from the speaker direction
19:36 Cprossu every polk monitor I've had has worked very well
19:38 tonsofpcs remember: I'm doing 5.1
19:38 Cprossu I'll put my old polk m5jr's against damn near anything rated consumer these days
19:38 tonsofpcs how about the 50s against JBL Control 2s?
19:39 tonsofpcs err, 40s
19:39 Cprossu the outdoor speaker?!
19:39 Cprossu looking
19:41 tonsofpcs note: I listen on Genelecs at work that are flat +-0.3dB (well, -.3+.2) to some obscenely low frequency
19:41 Cprossu which also cost a shit ton
19:41 tonsofpcs yes
19:41 tonsofpcs $6k per, iirc
19:42 Cprossu I've been happy with the polks for giving me a sppeaker that needed little to no eq for a ture curve
19:42 Cprossu *true
19:42 tonsofpcs well, my amp has the reference-mic auto-EQ thing
19:42 Cprossu the older JBL monitors, meaning pre 1991, were hard to beat
19:42 Cprossu but you shouldn't need any EQ
19:43 Cprossu adding eq just gives you distortion in most HT systems I've messed with =(
19:43 Cprossu and taking away limits your overdrive
19:44 tonsofpcs my current system is run abt 20% of my amp's capability
19:44 Cprossu nice
19:44 tonsofpcs (which also means i'm outside the sweet spot)
19:44 tonsofpcs http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/General/ProductFamily.aspx?FId=17&amp;MId=2
19:44 Cprossu nice because you have a nice nice amp
19:45 tonsofpcs Onkyo TXSR601 iirc
19:45 Cprossu I'm used to hearing those speakers paired with really shitty amps
19:45 Cprossu so I can't tell you what they actually sound like
19:46 tonsofpcs err, 607
19:46 Cprossu I mean the jbl speakers
19:46 Cprossu mentioned
19:46 Cprossu they could sound excellent but I've just heard them in really badly done installations
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19:46 Cprossu so I cannot make an opinion one way or another on those
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19:47 tonsofpcs which? the JBL controls? like a crown D45 or D75?
19:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Tmb on Battle of the microcontrollers (in Debian)
19:49 Cprossu I've heard them only on trash distribution amps attached to at best an FM radio, so I can't judge them by that
19:50 Experimentonomen nite peepz
19:50 egrsteve what class of JBL are you debating?
19:50 tonsofpcs Cprossu: wlel, if they were the smaller Controls (like 4"x6"), then you probably heard them at their best ;)
19:50 * angy offers Steve a diode
19:50 tonsofpcs egrsteve: Control #
19:50 tggmc egrsteve, thank you :) CB
19:50 egrsteve ah, ok, control 20 is ok
19:50 Cprossu we're debating polk monitor series vs control 2 vs these cheap pioneers on woot.com
19:50 Katemonster anyone here wanna buy an AR-15?
19:51 tonsofpcs h, I don't plan on buying controls
19:51 tonsofpcs I was just using them as a point of reference
19:51 Cprossu helly tggmc who's at the helm?
19:51 tonsofpcs egrsteve: looking at replacing looking at replacing my 5x system ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269004 ) with those things on woot
19:52 egrsteve is anyone even at tggmc?
19:52 Cprossu oooh CB=chris boden
19:52 Cprossu I get it
19:52 Cprossu lol
19:52 Cprossu http://www.woot.com/ <- pioneers on woot
19:53 Cprossu this all happened because I said a cheap pair of polks would wipe the floor with the pioneers
19:53 egrsteve what tggmc?
19:53 tonsofpcs I don't want to wipe the floor, I want focused sound :-p
19:54 Cprossu you musta done something good at least egrsteve
19:54 egrsteve if I did I don't remember, I never did get the projector flipped
19:55 Cprossu I'm tenatively looking at
19:55 egrsteve oh cprossu, do you know where to get the network drivers for that asus sli motherboard
19:55 Cprossu Friday or Sat
19:55 Cprossu yeah let me get you the link
19:55 Cprossu egrsteve there's a package coming too
19:55 egrsteve I have it running XP but need to get drivers to get network/updates
19:55 egrsteve I saw that message eirlier
19:55 Cprossu 1 sec egrsteve
19:56 egrsteve let Chris know to hold it
19:58 egrsteve or it might make captains blog when it arrives
19:58 Cprossu egrsteve http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/lan/marvell/8053/8053_Windows72113.zip
19:58 egrsteve thank you
19:59 Cprossu once you get that on
19:59 Cprossu it'll be easy for the rest
19:59 Cprossu glad to hear the old board wasn't wrecked
19:59 egrsteve I hope so\
19:59 angy .cookie egrsteve
19:59 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a black-and-white cookie!
19:59 Cprossu you guys worried me lol
20:00 egrsteve who worries you?
20:00 Cprossu jeff told me that the a8n was toast the other day
20:00 Cprossu I was like nah it isn't lol
20:01 egrsteve it had some connetions issues I had to straighten out
20:01 Cprossu it happens lol
20:01 egrsteve it needed another PS connection adn the graphics card moved to teh first slot
20:01 Cprossu oh no big deal then!
20:02 Cprossu btw moose may get the 'old stream cpu'
20:02 Cprossu once I clean it up and verify it's function
20:02 Cprossu oooh yeah
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20:02 Cprossu and REAL ceramic based thermal paste, the non-electrically conductive kind, is coming too
20:03 Cprossu egrsteve the box is labeled "Cprossu Donotopenyet
20:03 Cprossu so even if it makes the captains blog it would be funny as hell
20:03 * Ponko wants to play FOOTBAWL!!!!
20:03 Cprossu on the 'name'
20:03 Cprossu since newegg didn't let me put in a comment rofl
20:04 Ponko lol that would be funny
20:04 * angy throw a football at Ponko
20:04 * Ponko catches
20:04 Cprossu but yeah I am looking at going friday with my buddy, and being there sat, sun, or mon
20:04 Cprossu don't know what yet
20:05 Cprossu maybe I can get him 'excited' about trying the efi bios thing he hates the concept of so much
20:07 egrsteve maybe
20:08 egrsteve my mac runs efi, but there is no nice way to play with it at a low level
20:08 angy there is on mac, but it may break badly if you do the wrong thing
20:08 egrsteve i know, hence not nicly
20:09 angy it's nice until you break it :)
20:10 angy like most of apple things
20:10 Cprossu it seems stable, snappy, and works well on that little asus board
20:10 Cprossu which is why i ordered 2 of them for you guys after messing with my own
20:10 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you can put a comment in as the PO number
20:10 Cprossu I should have!
20:10 Cprossu lol
20:10 Cprossu well too late now
20:12 Cprossu oddly enough my tracking number isn't showing anything yet, perhaps they'll get the ball rolling tomorrow
20:12 angy they already lost the package ;)
20:12 Cprossu good to know
20:13 Cprossu so 2 $115 motherboard, $35 of ram (3x2gb ddr3 so there's a spare), and a tube of thermal paste
20:15 Cprossu plus a couple 4U cases = new stream computer and it's backup. egrsteve I really would like us to hve a spare blackmagic intensity pro though so I could sleep better hah.
20:15 Cprossu oh also egrsteve can you test a distribution amp out and verify we have one good enough to put as the final link to the feed?
20:15 Cprossu looking back on it it really bugs me we don't have one
20:16 Cprossu (at that location)
20:17 Cprossu also tonsofpcs were you able to figure out if we could automate our 3 wire 20-ten matrix?
20:19 Cprossu darn I only have 1 more hour on my battery (been on from 10:45 to 16:19
20:19 Ponko what is it nobody expects?
20:20 Cprossu the spanish inquisition!
20:20 Ponko oh bugger
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20:20 Cprossu nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobody expects the spanish inquisition! tie him to the rack!
20:20 Ponko give the rack a turn
20:21 Ponko *oh god*
20:21 Cprossu I wans't going to say anything
20:21 angy P'ky did it himself :)
20:21 Ponko confess confess confess CONFESS!!!!
20:21 Cprossu FISHY! oh FISHY FISHY FISH!
20:22 Ponko our 2 weapons or fear surpise and nice red uniform are 3 weapons
20:23 tonsofpcs Cprossu egrsteve: there's a few Sigma DAs downstairs iirc.  Those are usually pretty good and some have individual tweaks per-output
20:23 Cprossu our six methods...
20:23 Ponko uh 2 uh 3 for the old bailey please
20:23 Cprossu and we have a shit ton of the GVG amps
20:26 * angy throws 126 footballs to P'ky
20:26 * Ponko moves to the side
20:27 * dbshortwave get hit in the head with a football
20:28 * dbshortwave wakes up looks around
20:28 dbshortwave yes?
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20:29 angy a cookie?
20:29 dbshortwave yeah i left them over there
20:29 angy .cookie dbshortwave
20:29 BotSteve Here you go, dbshortwave, I baked you a Moravian spice cookie!
20:30 dbshortwave thanks angy
20:30 dbshortwave ;]
20:30 angy you're welcome
20:30 BatSteve .yt is vigo!
20:30 BotSteve BatSteve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5f_cZ_Iyo
20:31 Ponko .yt Epidemic Walk Away
20:31 BotSteve Ponko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS2Ji5bS3IM
20:33 dbshortwave if it drops 3°F more it will start snowing
20:33 dbshortwave err
20:33 dbshortwave 30
20:33 dbshortwave i forgot yto carry the 10
20:39 tonsofpcs hmm.... got a 6" Ceramic Chef's Knife from Harbor Freight
20:40 BatSteve how fragile is it?
20:41 tonsofpcs on the back, [ /!\ WARNING ] [ To prevent injury: \n1. Wear ANSI approved saffety googles and heavy duty work gloves during use.  \n2. Keep away from children.  \n3. Inspect before use; do not use if damaged.  \n4. Use forr intended purposes only. Do not use for prying; do not drop.  \nSave these warnings.]
20:41 tonsofpcs s/forr/for/
20:42 tonsofpcs I'm not ssure, I can't use it except for it's intended purpose if I don't know what the intended purpose is.  I was thinking about cutting vegetables, but why would I need safety goggles and heavy gloves?
20:42 tonsofpcs s/saffety googles/safety goggles/
20:44 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I think I'm going to go for it.  If I don't like em, I can put a pair in the kitchen and a pair in the bedroom and a pair in the second bedroom/office
20:44 tonsofpcs my guess is i'll like em and move this 5. system to the office and build a little studio/viewing room/editing suite in there
20:45 Ponko NeWtoz
20:46 Cprossu lol @ tonsofpc. never cook without your Z87.1 rated safety equipment
20:46 Cprossu * tonsofpcs
20:47 Cprossu since they are from china you don't have to test them for radioactive contamination at least
20:47 tonsofpcs why? you already knw they are?
20:47 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you say this to me as I pull hot pizza out of the toaster oven w/o gloves, btw
20:48 Cprossu i was also joking' in spirit of the warnings
20:49 Cprossu battery's about to die, f.y.i.
20:50 dbshortwave whats everyones take on this old card... wildcat4 7110 video card?
20:50 dbshortwave its agp pro
20:50 dbshortwave hehe
20:50 Cprossu where in the world did you exume that from?
20:50 Cprossu I thought tgg had one like that
20:51 dbshortwave its what my dell can use
20:51 dbshortwave was wondering if its a worth wild buy
20:56 BatSteve Well, put it this way, it'll either work, or your experience will serve as a warning to others.
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20:57 speedrunnerg55 hey everyone
20:57 angy Hey! Spdrunnrè
20:57 angy s/è/!/
20:57 speedrunnerg55 ?
20:57 Toastdude Speed! Hi
20:57 angy Hey! Spdrunnr!
20:57 speedrunnerg55 toast!
20:57 angy (that's better)
20:58 dbshortwave this is true BatSteve
20:58 speedrunnerg55 BatSteve: is here?
20:58 * speedrunnerg55 le ghasp
20:59 dbshortwave there was SOME movement of keys on that end, yes
20:59 * dbshortwave chuckles
21:00 angy Noooooo Toasty
21:00 BatSteve hi speed!
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21:02 angy Toasty!
21:02 * angy hugs Toastdude
21:02 * Toastdude hugs angy
21:02 Toastdude Angy!
21:07 angy Time to go to sleep!
21:07 * angy hugs Toastdude
21:07 * angy fondles Seroster
21:07 angy Bye!
21:08 Toastdude Bye angy!
21:08 * Toastdude hugs angy
21:09 dbshortwave nite Angy
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21:16 egrsteve hmm
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21:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: AdderD on Battle of the microcontrollers (in Debian)
22:05 injektion lol 3d labs
22:08 injektion If only E-MU was to go under next
22:14 * Seroster fondles angy
22:14 Seroster ...WITH A HATCHET
22:17 injektion Even though they are labeled correctly my dad cannot tell the difference between the firewall and the PBX
22:20 injektion I guess my dad is a smarter idiot than I thought
22:20 Sgt_Lemming injektion???
22:20 Sgt_Lemming 3d labs going udner?...
22:21 Sgt_Lemming under
22:21 injektion No E-MU
22:21 injektion 3d labs is already gone
22:21 Sgt_Lemming oh, didn't realise
22:35 tonsofpcs injektion: what kind of PBX do you have?
22:39 injektion Switchvox Free
22:43 injektion Works well although I don't see how for music on hold ogg is less cpu taxing then mp3
22:46 tonsofpcs one less library to load?
22:47 injektion still have to load a library :P
22:48 tonsofpcs also, one less patent lawsuit on the table
22:48 tonsofpcs i'm guessing they were using ffmpeg for mp3 and libvorbis for ogg/vorbis
22:59 Seroster fahaaaack
23:00 Seroster Fucking zombies
23:00 Seroster They killed my teammate
23:00 Seroster And I blasted the suckers with over three hundred rounds of 12gauge automatic shotgun.
23:12 egrsteve so it's undead.
23:13 Sgt_Lemming what game?
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23:20 Seroster The Last Stand Union City, Sgt_Lemming
23:20 Seroster Sorry for slow response, took a shower.
23:20 Seroster http://www.kongregate.com/games/ConArtists/the-last-stand-union-city
23:20 Sgt_Lemming sall good, bout to play some Borderlands myself
23:22 Seroster Fun 2d zomb game
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23:44 Sgt_Lemming coolest thing in Borderlands: "Longbow" grenades... Grenades that teleport to where you are aiming about a foot after you throw them
23:44 Sgt_Lemming so. freaking. handy
23:47 eadthem mmm i dont care if the transformer is still on the palet   someones got to be on drugs to try to open the top of it
23:51 Sgt_Lemming as chris said in the video, probably a scavenger trying to get copper to sell for money
23:52 eadthem wonder what the magntising current on that would be
23:52 eadthem could just plug it in overnight if its not to high    that would provide sufficant protection :p
23:52 Sgt_Lemming quite a fair chunk I should imagine
23:52 Sgt_Lemming it's a rather beefy transforme
23:52 Sgt_Lemming transformer even
23:53 egrsteve 200kva i think
23:53 Seroster Gnight
23:53 Seroster Fuck its late
23:53 Sgt_Lemming see if you can wire 1:1 and use it for power filtering for TGG :-P
23:53 Seroster Did the transformer survive, or is the core missing?
23:53 eadthem well perhaps just put a motion detector on it :p
23:53 Sgt_Lemming unless things have progressed, someone just undid the lid
23:53 egrsteve as best as I know the lid was removed as was the back cover
23:54 Seroster Righto
23:54 egrsteve hold down clamps were taken or dumped inside
23:54 eadthem ya and stole the clamps
23:54 Seroster What was its maximum voltage?
23:54 eadthem wer the clamps copper or steel
23:54 Seroster Steel
23:54 egrsteve 30k dc i think
23:54 eadthem i cant imagen someone bothering with steel
23:54 egrsteve cast iron i think
23:54 Seroster I can't imagine anyone dumb enough to clamp it with copper
23:55 Sgt_Lemming I doubt they would have been able to move that lid alone either
23:55 Sgt_Lemming that's a big f'ing lid
23:55 eadthem mmm well maby with a crow bar
23:55 Sgt_Lemming be surprised if they actually got it open
23:55 Seroster That's like gold plating the blades of your lawn mower.
23:55 eadthem dont know someone tripped out on the right drug might not have to much trouble
23:55 egrsteve I imagine it took a couple people, maybe a ladder or back of a pickup truck to reach he top
23:56 eadthem how tall is it?
23:56 Seroster Aaaanyhow
23:56 Sgt_Lemming reaching the top if it isn't that hard
23:56 Seroster Too damn late, Imma get up in four howrs
23:56 Seroster YEAH
23:56 egrsteve about 6 ft
23:56 Sgt_Lemming yeah
23:56 eadthem well i could see someone backing a pickup to it thinking they could empty the insides   seeing the oil and just going with plan B ( back door only)
23:56 Sgt_Lemming awkward, but not hard
23:57 egrsteve still dumb though
23:57 * Sgt_Lemming nods
23:57 egrsteve should be interesting once we can get some secerity cameras
23:58 egrsteve I wonder if I could integrate them into the live stream at night
23:58 egrsteve have it cycle exterior camera's/enterences
23:59 eadthem wonder how hard it would be to park jeff near them  and have his arm move toward any movement :p
23:59 egrsteve that could be fun
23:59 egrsteve or put gemini in the parking lot, or is that entrapment
23:59 eadthem well   if you provide plenty of escape on foot then i dont see how your trapping anyone
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