Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-10-17

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00:00 egrsteve gemini in the parkinglot on a motion detector
00:01 egrsteve for as many people cut through back there the neighbors would love us
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00:02 Toastdude Lol
00:02 Sgt_Lemming egrsteve, the scrappers are after copper... and you wanna put the tesla coils wrapped in quite a lot of high grade copper wire out there...?
00:02 eadthem ya
00:02 eadthem think of it as a pre bated mouse trap
00:02 Sgt_Lemming tesla coils produce high voltage, not high current...
00:02 egrsteve on a motion detector
00:03 Toastdude You don't have to run it at full power... Just enough to give them a little warning :P
00:03 Sgt_Lemming it would be simplicity itself to ground it out and then steal the coils
00:03 egrsteve would you go touch something that just generated 12+ft arcs?
00:04 eadthem if i was tripped out on meth (because i have no experence in that) and what i just tryed to steal copper from shot lighthing to me    id leave that parking lot and possably that naborhood
00:04 Sgt_Lemming generally not druggos doing copper scrapping, as it requires at least some brains
00:05 Sgt_Lemming like the guys here who stole 60km of overhead train power lines
00:05 eadthem you saying it requires brains to deicde its a good idea to steal copper from a padmount
00:05 Sgt_Lemming that were live at 25kv at the time...
00:05 egrsteve so they knew HV systems
00:06 eadthem ya im not shure how you could do that and not know what you wer doing
00:07 Sgt_Lemming knowing that a padmount has copper in it also requires some brains
00:07 tonsofpcs use a wooden ladder?
00:08 tonsofpcs yea, copper theives need to not
00:09 eadthem tons ya i was thinking pickup
00:09 Sgt_Lemming at 25kv, a wooden ladder that is not perfectly clean can conduct enough at 25kv to be a problem, not to mention the amount of current those lines can deliver...
00:09 eadthem but if the live line touches ground ya got to think someones screen somewhere will mention the event
00:10 Sgt_Lemming yeah, but it was in the middle of the freaking nowhere where they did it
00:10 Sgt_Lemming so yes they might have known about it, getting something done about quickly wouldn't have been easy
00:12 egrsteve or figured it was a natural event causing an outage, and knowing it was remote delayed repair
00:12 tonsofpcs alternatively, they saw a naturally downed line and then took it
00:13 egrsteve could have
00:13 Sgt_Lemming tonsofpcs, the lines here are I think 20feet above ground
00:13 egrsteve a better question is how does someone(s) steal a 100 ton bridge
00:13 Sgt_Lemming and they are very veyr particular about keeping the clear of trees
00:22 masterofmonks I'd shoot the line through with a rifle, but that's me.
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00:29 masterofmonks damn imgur is over cap
00:31 tonsofpcs egrsteve: 100 ton bridge?
00:42 masterofmonks Ok, so this cat toy is fail.
00:43 masterofmonks I bought a Kong Kickeroo for my kitten to wrestle with, and while he is only mildly interested that isn't waht makes it fail. My year old cat is terrified of it.
00:44 egrsteve you didn't here that a train bridge was recently stolen
00:44 egrsteve they assume scappers
00:44 masterofmonks The first time he saw it I nudge it with my toe and he did a back flip completely over our kitchen table.
00:45 masterofmonks egrsteve, tonsofpcs http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2011/10/scrap-or-die-two-brothers-steal-a-bridge-sell-it-for-5k
00:46 egrsteve sorry 15 tons, 100ft
00:46 egrsteve http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/312865
00:46 egrsteve no 5-ft
00:46 egrsteve 50 ft
00:47 tonsofpcs $5000?!
00:47 masterofmonks Yeah, I would have expected more.
00:48 masterofmonks Then again at current prices here it would only get you a little more than 3 grand.
00:49 tonsofpcs http://www.wnep.com/wnep-luz-thieves-swipe-copper-from-tv-station-20110819,0,7633363.story
00:49 tonsofpcs http://citizensvoice.com/news/five-arrested-for-copper-theft-at-wvia-tower-1.1200793#axzz1aznHKW6q
00:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: threebuddies on iOS 5
00:50 * Katemonster pokes botsteve
00:50 Katemonster hi botsteve
00:50 BotSteve Yo Katemonster
00:50 Katemonster .seen kyle
00:50 BotSteve He's about this tall?  Seen Kyle?
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00:51 Katemonster .seen speedrunner
00:51 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen speedrunner around.
00:52 Toastdude Kate!
00:52 masterofmonks .seen speedrunnerg55
00:52 BotSteve masterofmonks: I last saw speedrunnerg55 3.90 hours ago at 2011-10-16 20:58:36 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:52:36 UTC
00:53 Katemonster hi
00:53 Katemonster bad timing
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00:56 masterofmonks Really bad timing.
01:06 Toastdude What's a good audio site?
01:06 speedrunnerG55 Hi
01:06 Toastdude Does anyone use them
01:06 Toastdude *For uploading
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01:08 masterofmonks Toastdude: uploading what?
01:08 speedrunnerG55 hi
01:08 Toastdude Audio, like mp3
01:08 Toastdude Hi spdrnnr
01:08 masterofmonks I mean what is your purpose?
01:10 Toastdude Oh, I'm going to record my version of Still Alive and post it on FB
01:10 masterofmonks Just use youtube.
01:10 Toastdude Ok
01:13 Katemonster SPEEDRUNNER
01:14 Ponko hmmm
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01:21 lwq1996 hi
01:22 masterofmonks Morning lwq1996
01:23 lwq1996 well its morrning somewhere i guess
01:23 lwq1996 its 9:30 where i live
01:23 masterofmonks Always.
01:23 masterofmonks 09:30 or 21:30?
01:24 lwq1996 9:30 pm non millitary time
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01:25 masterofmonks That is not military time, that is 24 hour time. The standard existed before the military adopted it.
01:25 lwq1996 ik this...thats why i said non millitary
01:26 masterofmonks Minor pet irritation I have there.
01:26 lwq1996 why
01:26 masterofmonks Because people calling it "Military time" is wrong.
01:27 lwq1996 oh
01:27 masterofmonks It just.. irritates me, I never claimed that it was rational.
01:27 lwq1996 i see
01:27 eadthem why is it wrong   everyone knows what you mean when you say military time
01:27 eadthem and its easyer than saying tweenty four hour time
01:28 eadthem mmm well least it feels more natural to me
01:28 masterofmonks It is just like calling "Never Gonna Give You Up" , "Rick-Roll"
01:28 lwq1996 lol
01:28 masterofmonks It has a proper name, it should be used.
01:28 eadthem not sure i get that corrolation
01:29 * Ponko can see BatSteve doing a skydiving lesson as the pilot of the plane
01:29 masterofmonks I have trouble parsing language sometimes, especially when people use nomencalture that is non-standard.
01:29 lwq1996 lol
01:30 masterofmonks nomenclature*
01:31 eadthem egrsteve you cant flip the screen on your runco projector?
01:32 Sgt_Lemming masterofmonks, "Rick-roll" refers to fooling/tricking someone into watching that video
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01:34 masterofmonks Sgt_Lemming: I am aware, however I have many times "I was just listening to Rick-roll..."
01:34 Sgt_Lemming yeah
01:34 speed-mobile Rawer
01:34 masterofmonks It's like the free cupholder on your computer.
01:35 Sgt_Lemming wow, logitech is 30 years old
01:35 eadthem yep
01:35 eadthem they use to make rs232 mice for dos
01:35 eadthem lol i have one on my desk atm
01:36 Sgt_Lemming I own at least 6 high end logitech products
01:36 eadthem that was back when they knew how to make hardware
01:36 eadthem meh  all my recent stuff is a4tech
01:36 Sgt_Lemming they still do, some of their recent stuff is freaking awesome
01:36 lwq1996 mmmmmm
01:36 masterofmonks i use logitech mice, and Saitek keyboards.
01:36 * lwq1996 loves apple cyder
01:36 lwq1996 cider
01:36 Sgt_Lemming like this keyboard, wireless keyboard that is solar charged
01:37 Sgt_Lemming or the wireless trackball I used at work for 8 months... on one AA battery
01:37 lwq1996 its not to sweet but not to sour
01:37 Sgt_Lemming that's just impressive
01:37 eadthem kb-6 a4tech keyboard   a4tech X7 XL-750BK mouse
01:38 eadthem the mouse rivals the best you can get from ither logitec or razor
01:38 masterofmonks lwq1996: you should add some http://www.homebrewers.com/product/WLP720/White-Labs-Sweet-MeadWine-Yeast.html?meta=GBASE&metacpg=WLP720&utm_source=gbase&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=&utm_campaign=WLP720 and let it set about two weeks
01:38 eadthem only without the 50% markup for the brand
01:39 lwq1996 hmmm
01:40 eadthem http://www.amazon.com/A4-Tech-XL-750F-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B001FY4DGC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e1
01:41 eadthem 3600DPI 1000hz report rate
01:42 eadthem runs on glass wood cloth carpet
01:44 exor674 wonder why that's under review
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01:46 eadthem thats amazon for ya
01:47 eadthem last week a cast iron pan was under review because the product supply may be defective
01:47 eadthem lodge cast iron pan
01:55 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, I smell some marketing bs in that
01:57 speedrunnerG55 i hgot some new headphones
01:57 speedrunnerG55 :D
01:57 Toastdude Yay
01:58 * Katemonster shakes speedrunnerG55 violently
01:58 speedrunnerG55 waahhhhhhh
01:58 Katemonster HI DIGDUG :D
01:58 speedrunnerG55 hi Katemonster
01:59 speedrunnerG55 why are you shaking me
01:59 eadthem well there will be no clean cloths tomarow
01:59 Katemonster because i like you?
01:59 eadthem change maker in the lanundry room is dead
01:59 speedrunnerG55 why eadthem
01:59 eadthem the roll i thought was in the car i aparently used
01:59 eadthem (quarters)
02:00 speedrunnerG55 >_>
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02:08 Sgt_Lemming just officially quit my job... sent off the email
02:08 masterofmonks Cool, got another one lined up?
02:08 Sgt_Lemming missed far too much work from being sick lately, so going to be gainfully unemplyed for a while
02:08 masterofmonks Also it looks like your letter worked.
02:09 Sgt_Lemming ...?
02:09 Sgt_Lemming oh the skype one?
02:09 masterofmonks Ja.
02:09 Sgt_Lemming yeah, saw that
02:09 Sgt_Lemming noticed the new version doesn't do it
02:09 Sgt_Lemming should sit down and write out a reply
02:12 lwq1996 hmmm....i wish there was alchol in this cider
02:12 masterofmonks I have already told you how to do it.
02:13 lwq1996 but i cant wait for shiping
02:13 masterofmonks Or vinting either for that matter.
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02:17 tonsofpcs aren't you like 15?
02:17 tonsofpcs 22:12:30 < lwq1996> hmmm....i wish there was alchol in this cider
02:17 lwq1996 14
02:18 lwq1996 so why the hello not
02:18 lwq1996 as long as the cops dont find out
02:18 eadthem bill makes me LOL a bit
02:18 eadthem a scope for SMT soldering
02:18 masterofmonks As long as you do it yourself I am personally fine with it.
02:18 lwq1996 and mom is there actually sugesting me to put alohol in it...
02:18 lwq1996 lol ik
02:19 masterofmonks Given the amount of work and waiting involved, I seriously doubt you would drink a hell of a lot at a time.
02:19 lwq1996 hell i fucking smoked since i was like 13 and im almost 15 now and i quit like halfway thorugh the year
02:19 lwq1996 yup
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02:20 lwq1996 no more bad things in my lungs
02:21 Sgt_Lemming wow
02:21 lwq1996 now only if i can stop doing something personal
02:21 Sgt_Lemming the WebGL version of googlemaps in Chrome is pretty impressive
02:21 Sgt_Lemming very smooth
02:22 Sgt_Lemming highly suggest giving it a go
02:22 tonsofpcs eadthem: a scope for SMT soldering? huh/
02:22 tonsofpcs ?
02:22 Sgt_Lemming eadthem = bill?
02:23 Sgt_Lemming and I think he meant microscope
02:23 eadthem it reminds me of the upper managers and engineers at work
02:23 eadthem ya
02:23 tonsofpcs lwq1996: no more bad things in your lungs? but you're looking to solder?
02:23 lwq1996 i will have ventilation
02:23 eadthem i do 0402 stuff without magnifcation
02:23 eadthem so do most of the techs
02:24 eadthem it helps to be near sighted
02:24 masterofmonks Actually building a fume hood is damn easy.
02:25 lwq1996 ik
02:25 tonsofpcs my mother freaked out once about some news report that some mugs might contain lead and that might give lead poisoning, I tell her "hey, if I'm going to get lead poisoning it's going to be from inhaling solder, not a coffee mug"
02:25 Sgt_Lemming we are working on a central fume extraction system for HSBNE
02:27 masterofmonks Lead is seriously over exagerated.
02:27 lwq1996 hell if you drank water enough i bet you that it would give you lead poisioning
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02:29 * lwq1996 rides hackpony
02:29 tonsofpcs if you had lead pipes, sure
02:29 lwq1996 :3
02:30 speedrunnerG55 pony?!
02:30 lwq1996 lol
02:30 speed-pony hi Hackbat
02:30 Hackbat there
02:33 * speed-pony pokes Hackbat
02:34 eadthem btw whats bills irc handle?
02:34 Sgt_Lemming nfi
02:34 Sgt_Lemming not even sure he gets on irc
02:36 masterofmonks ride a painted pony watch the spinning wheel turn.
02:36 lwq1996 lol
02:37 lwq1996 FUCK HOMEWORK
02:37 lwq1996 DAMN COMPUTER
02:37 masterofmonks Forgot, or it ate it?
02:38 lwq1996 forgot
02:38 masterofmonks What is your homework?
02:38 lwq1996 :\ why do we even have homework
02:38 lwq1996 math and physical science
02:38 masterofmonks I could answer that but you wouldn't like the answer.
02:39 lwq1996 ik to help us learn
02:39 lwq1996 im not kidding...i woulnt use any of this for what i plan to do in the future
02:39 masterofmonks What do you plan to do in the future?
02:40 lwq1996 build ciruit boards
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02:40 masterofmonks Then you need both of those.
02:40 lwq1996 well i know more than enough to do it
02:40 masterofmonks Really?
02:41 lwq1996 yes
02:41 lwq1996 well i dont know all but i know enough...
02:42 Sgt_Lemming lwq1996 you have 5 resistors in 2S3P with a total resistance of 10KOhm, what resistors are they?
02:42 Sgt_Lemming sorry, 6 resistors, typo.
02:42 Hackbat lwq1996, hate to break it to you but engineering is nothing BUT science
02:43 Sgt_Lemming science and maths
02:43 Hackbat err
02:43 Hackbat math
02:43 Hackbat yeah
02:43 Hackbat Science in it self is math
02:43 Hackbat MATH IS EVERYTHING
02:43 masterofmonks Maths works if you are in england.
02:43 Sgt_Lemming math is the universal language
02:43 Hackbat 2+2 is always 4
02:43 Sgt_Lemming Hackbat, base 3 numbering :-P
02:43 masterofmonks Unless you are using large values of 2, in which case it can be 5.
02:44 Hackbat Sgt_Lemming, we're all adults here
02:44 Hackbat no need to  denote numbering systems
02:44 Hackbat most of us are human
02:44 Hackbat excluding our special friend
02:44 masterofmonks Then why don't we use base 21 numbering?
02:45 Sgt_Lemming because counting with your toes doesn't work when you have shoes on
02:45 Hackbat cause women would havve to cound to 20
02:45 masterofmonks 22
02:45 Hackbat boobs aren't finger like
02:45 Hackbat just saying
02:46 lwq1996 um....
02:46 lwq1996 i walk away for like 3min to make a sandwich and wow
02:46 Hackbat its likr the oldest joke in the book
02:46 Hackbat why are men smarter than women?
02:46 Hackbat cause they can count to 21
02:47 lwq1996 why 21?
02:47 masterofmonks lwq1996: think about it.
02:47 Hackbat how many fingers and toes do you have?
02:47 lwq1996 20
02:48 Hackbat yes well thinka bout it
02:48 lwq1996 lol
02:48 masterofmonks That guy's do dumb he has to get naked to count to 21.
02:48 lwq1996 lol
02:48 Sgt_Lemming about as dumb as two bricks nailed together
02:48 Sgt_Lemming that being said, I have some masonry nails here :-P
02:49 lwq1996 lol
02:49 Sgt_Lemming but you really can't use em to stick two bricks together
02:49 masterofmonks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5
02:54 Hackbat ever read the paper stating 1 plus 1 equals 2?
02:54 masterofmonks Long ago.
02:55 lwq1996 ?
02:55 masterofmonks lwq1996: Everything in scinece requires a proof.
02:55 masterofmonks Including 1+1=2
02:55 Hackbat there's basicly a book that prooves 1 + 1 = 2
02:55 lwq1996 lol
02:56 Hackbat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica
02:56 masterofmonks lwq1996: Where do electrons flow in a wire?
02:56 lwq1996 flowes from ground to posative
02:56 masterofmonks No, in the wire where do they flow?
02:56 lwq1996 in the metal
02:57 masterofmonks Where in the metal?
02:57 lwq1996 in the space between the atoms
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02:58 masterofmonks They flow across the surface of the wire.
02:59 Hackbat skin effect
03:00 masterofmonks At least with AC
03:00 Hackbat si
03:00 masterofmonks .wik skin effect
03:00 BotSteve "Skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor with the current density being largest near the surface of the conductor, decreasing at greater depths." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
03:00 masterofmonks Most people think that it flows throught he center of the wire like water in a pipe.
03:01 Hackbat I've been wondering this for a while
03:01 Hackbat does a hollow pipe work the same as a wire of the same thickness/
03:02 Hackbat I've not the resources to test it myself
03:02 masterofmonks It should.
03:02 exor674 doesn't TGG use pipe instead of wires for the tesla coils?
03:02 Hackbat that's for ease
03:02 lwq1996 yes
03:02 masterofmonks Assuming that the walls are thick enough for the frequency you are using.
03:03 exor674 I'd also assume that heat might be the problem?
03:03 exor674 that is assuming wires are allowed to get SOMEWHAT warm during operaton
03:03 lwq1996 because copper pipe is better and withstands temps better than a wire of the same guage
03:03 Hackbat yes but you have the copper loss
03:03 lwq1996 hell my computer gets hot to the touch
03:03 exor674 wouldn't there be less heat dissapation?
03:03 lwq1996 hmmm idk
03:04 Hackbat aluminum has alot less loss in power trransmition
03:04 Hackbat reason why the line from the transformer to your house is aluminum
03:07 masterofmonks At high frequencies the skin depth may be much smaller. Increased AC resistance due to the skin effect can be mitigated by using specially woven litz wire. Because the interior of a large conductor carries so little of the current, tubular conductors such as pipe can be used to save weight and cost.
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03:12 BatSteve yo
03:12 Sgt_Lemming lo BatSteve
03:12 BatSteve heyo sarge
03:12 Toastdude BatSteve!
03:12 Toastdude BRB
03:12 BatSteve heyo toast
03:12 Sgt_Lemming quit my job today
03:12 BatSteve congrats!  What're you gonna do with your newfound freedom?
03:13 Sgt_Lemming chillax
03:13 Katemonster chillin like a villain?
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03:14 Sgt_Lemming something like that
03:14 Sgt_Lemming might do some freelance stuff
03:14 lwq1996 lol
03:14 Sgt_Lemming considering doing a letter box drop in my area for cheap computer repairs for some extra dollars
03:14 BatSteve awesome
03:14 * Sgt_Lemming nods
03:17 Sgt_Lemming I suppose that's one thing I could offer TGG as well, I am Apple certified to troubleshoot hardware and software issues
03:17 Sgt_Lemming be a boon for the computer repairs
03:17 BatSteve I wonder what they're doing for computer repair now
03:18 BatSteve They used to have Applied Intellect, but I think that spun off when they moved back to Grand Rapids
03:18 lwq1996 ok math homework is done...now on to science
03:21 tonsofpcs d/dt (s)
03:21 tonsofpcs aww, i missed skin depth chats
03:24 lwq1996 god damn no wonder i hate science
03:24 masterofmonks What is getting you stuck?
03:25 Sgt_Lemming heh
03:25 Sgt_Lemming new ep of mythbusters
03:25 lwq1996 that when i get done with math and go to science...that i have to still do math
03:25 Sgt_Lemming they crash a truck into a car at 300Mph
03:25 lwq1996 i miss earth and space science
03:25 masterofmonks That is even *more* math.
03:25 BatSteve How'd they get the truck and the car going 300mph?
03:26 lwq1996 unicorns of corse batsteve
03:26 BatSteve ah, naturally.
03:26 BatSteve I was hoping one was a Vaeron going 260 and one was a truck going 40
03:26 tonsofpcs no, unicorn _dust_ injected into the motor
03:26 lwq1996 lol...probally something to do with rockets
03:26 Sgt_Lemming BatSteve, the "truck" was a rocket sled with a truck body on it
03:26 tonsofpcs also, rockets.
03:27 lwq1996 I KNEW IT
03:27 Sgt_Lemming 65'000lb of thrust
03:27 lwq1996 holly shit
03:27 tonsofpcs remember, they're not scientists, they're special effects techs.
03:27 lwq1996 i want to watch the show rocket city rednecks
03:27 tonsofpcs lwq1996: so 65000 lb of thrust, 300 mph, how much does the truck weigh?
03:27 Sgt_Lemming tonsofpcs, yes, but the stuff they do is at least partly scientific
03:27 lwq1996 idk
03:28 lwq1996 to much math for tonight as it is
03:28 Sgt_Lemming 0 - 300mph in 1/4 mile, how many G's did it pull?
03:28 lwq1996 probally a ton
03:28 masterofmonks Wait until you you have to calculate the Δv of an orbital mass due to a three body interaction.
03:28 lwq1996 GRRRRR.
03:28 lwq1996 what?
03:28 tonsofpcs keplerian or non?
03:29 masterofmonks tonsofpcs: Flip a coin.
03:29 lwq1996 .COIN
03:29 lwq1996 .coin
03:29 BotSteve Tails!
03:29 tonsofpcs i guess that's non-
03:29 tonsofpcs not doing that math! :-p
03:29 Katemonster what's the bot's dice roll command?
03:29 tonsofpcs .dice
03:29 BotSteve 2
03:29 Sgt_Lemming .dice 100
03:29 BotSteve 5
03:29 tonsofpcs which is odd, since it oonly rolls a d6
03:29 Sgt_Lemming .dice 100
03:29 BotSteve 1
03:29 Sgt_Lemming bah
03:29 Sgt_Lemming .d20
03:29 BotSteve 10
03:30 Katemonster i think it's only d6
03:30 Sgt_Lemming .d100
03:30 tonsofpcs oo
03:30 tonsofpcs .d10
03:30 Sgt_Lemming .d20
03:30 BotSteve 3
03:30 Sgt_Lemming .d20
03:30 BotSteve 13
03:30 Katemonster .d100
03:30 Sgt_Lemming .d20
03:30 BotSteve 10
03:30 tonsofpcs i guess .dice is d6 and .d20 is d20?
03:30 BatSteve it's a d20 or a d6
03:30 BatSteve but no others
03:30 BatSteve yet
03:30 Sgt_Lemming heh
03:30 Katemonster ah
03:30 Katemonster got it.
03:30 Katemonster .d20
03:30 BotSteve 20
03:30 Katemonster YES
03:30 tonsofpcs .dice implies multiple dice...
03:30 BotSteve 4
03:30 * lwq1996 smacks botsteve
03:30 Katemonster i rolled a 20 :)
03:30 tonsofpcs Katemonster: wat'd you win?
03:30 Sgt_Lemming nicely done Katemonster
03:30 Katemonster i have no idea.
03:31 Sgt_Lemming natural 20 to go with a natural blonde? :0P
03:31 tonsofpcs BotSteve: what did Katemonster win?
03:31 Katemonster ....
03:31 tonsofpcs BotSteve: should I go to sleep?
03:31 BotSteve Absolutely
03:31 lwq1996 awe
03:31 BatSteve tonsofpcs: yes, but what does 'bite me' imply?  (:
03:31 Sgt_Lemming BatSteve, nother one I have seen was ".dice <number>"
03:31 masterofmonks tonsofpcs: roll a saving throw
03:31 tonsofpcs ok, g'nite all.
03:31 Katemonster I am a brunette thankyouverymuch
03:31 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: dex?
03:31 tonsofpcs .d20
03:31 BotSteve 3
03:31 Hackbat it should be ,dice
03:31 Sgt_Lemming and it would pick a random number between 0 and that
03:31 Hackbat *.dice
03:31 tonsofpcs failed, sleeping.
03:31 masterofmonks No, agains wisdom.
03:32 Sgt_Lemming Katemonster, yeah, was just joking :-P
03:32 Hackbat so you can do .dice 3d20
03:32 BatSteve Sgt_Lemming: yeah, what I actually want is for you to be able to give it .dice 2d10 and have it substring out the 2 and the 10
03:32 Katemonster just checking.
03:32 Sgt_Lemming ooo, nice!
03:32 BatSteve Hackbat: exactly
03:32 Sgt_Lemming that would be aweseome
03:32 Hackbat :D
03:32 tonsofpcs or 3d6+4
03:32 tonsofpcs i used to have tcl code for that
03:33 lwq1996 ok im percastinating
03:33 BatSteve tonsofpcs: send it to me and maybe I can port it to python
03:33 masterofmonks tonsofpcs: looks like you failed the wisdom save against staying up.
03:33 masterofmonks BatSteve: #tgg-bots
03:34 tonsofpcs BatSteve: used to... it might be on a drive here.  I definitely have miRC code for it
03:39 masterofmonks .d20 -5
03:39 BotSteve 15
03:40 masterofmonks You know, I bet he ignores the -5 part.
03:40 BatSteve he does
03:40 BatSteve like I said
03:40 BatSteve d20 or d6
03:40 BatSteve it's very basic at this point
03:40 BatSteve any arguments after the initial command are disregarded
03:43 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n8LNxGbZbs <--- awesome dice rolling machine, time to build one for BotSteve's dice rolls? :-P
03:45 lwq1996 homework is gay
03:46 lwq1996 oh also a friend set me up with a person i dont know -.-
03:46 lwq1996 AND WHERE IS KELLY
03:46 BatSteve I don't own that many dice
03:46 BatSteve I would need to buy some from a casino surplus sale
03:47 masterofmonks http://www.amazon.com/Chessex-Dice-Pound-Dice-Approximately/dp/B000X75BFE
03:47 masterofmonks They can be had cheaper.
03:47 masterofmonks Also I make chainmaille bags for them.
03:49 lwq1996 my dog just farted on me
03:49 masterofmonks Good dog.
03:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Tmb on Project Smiljan
03:49 * lwq1996 takes a white gove and slaps masterofmonks
03:57 NeWtoz ooo, like the linkage to the forum
03:58 eadthem mmm got a email from fail2ban@localhost
03:58 eadthem someone added about 200 lines of attempted logins to my server    login name windows   no password
03:58 eadthem to my mail server
03:59 eadthem last line was login name  qq   and they gave up after that :p
03:59 lwq1996 lol
04:01 NeWtoz would of been a lot funnier if your password was qr or rr
04:01 lwq1996 lol
04:02 eadthem i know why ive all the sudden gotten all this bullshit
04:02 lwq1996 why?
04:02 eadthem my mail server allows a custom error message on spam message fail
04:03 eadthem it was code 550   witch is error    folowed by  failed due to inclusion in our spam lists
04:03 eadthem now its code 220 final.servegame.com service ready forwarding to spam.uec.gov MAY I SUGEST YOU GIVE THE ---- UP:P
04:04 eadthem code 220 tells there server to send the email message    and of corse it was my response to a error so the mail server dropped the TCP connection  and they just waisted there bandwith sending an attachment to /dev/null
04:09 BatSteve all right I'm going to bed bye all
04:10 exor674 eadthem: you are evillll
04:10 eadthem i aim to please
04:12 egrsteve /dev/null is a perfectly resonable place to send smap
04:12 egrsteve *spam
04:13 egrsteve more fun get them to send /dev/null to themselves, lets see that attachment size
04:13 eadthem ya the funny part is   because the tcp session is closed  the data and virus attachments never touch my modem  they get dropped by the ISP or someone upstream
04:13 eadthem all it dose it waste there bandwith
04:13 egrsteve which is the fun part
04:14 eadthem hey steve  you still having trouble getting the projector to flip the image?
04:14 egrsteve if they could bounce dev/null off an isp back to them that could be fun, see how much nothing they loop back
04:14 egrsteve yes we are
04:15 eadthem hit control alt down arrow
04:15 eadthem the counter is control alt up arrow
04:15 eadthem may not work on nix
04:16 egrsteve we need to flip it in the projector not the connected computer to do it right
04:16 eadthem well it was a shot
04:16 egrsteve as not all sources will be computer all the time
04:16 eadthem ahhh  cameras
04:16 eadthem and mc
04:16 exor674 egrsteve: just make people stand on their heads
04:16 egrsteve yes
04:16 exor674 problem solved
04:16 egrsteve we will install bars they can hang from
04:16 eadthem mirrors
04:17 eadthem what was the model on the projector?
04:17 egrsteve requires a large, opticly flat first serface mirror
04:17 egrsteve vx-1xc  think
04:17 egrsteve runco is the manf
04:18 eadthem it have a model name
04:18 eadthem like LED  or DLP
04:18 egrsteve reflection is the only "name" on it
04:18 egrsteve it is DL{
04:18 egrsteve DMP
04:18 egrsteve DLP
04:18 eadthem DMD DLP
04:19 egrsteve it's DLP, I can't type
04:19 egrsteve we need an arc lamp DLP projector, that would be fun
04:19 eadthem o well hell  borrow a imax bulb
04:20 eadthem it would fit right in with the HV lab
04:20 * egrsteve grabs DC tig
04:20 eadthem just dont drop it
04:21 eadthem well the good news is you can reorent the projector logo
04:21 eadthem just pull it and rotate it 180 degrees so its right side up
04:21 egrsteve 15 kW xenon short-arc lamp
04:21 egrsteve already done
04:21 egrsteve ^^ imax lamp
04:21 eadthem dose your control box have triggers?
04:22 eadthem 3 2 pole connectors  possably phono plugs  small ones
04:23 egrsteve it does
04:23 eadthem http://www.runco.com/downloads/manuals/Runco-VX-11d_manual.pdf
04:23 egrsteve imax 37.5 volts DC, and 400 amperes of current.
04:23 eadthem do you have that alredy?
04:24 egrsteve not yet
04:24 eadthem ya 1 or more of the triggers are probably set up for you alredy
04:24 eadthem they will rase and lower your screen
04:24 eadthem as well as other things
04:24 egrsteve i know what the can do, if our motor control is compatible
04:27 eadthem http://bvt.runco.com/image/codes/Runco_Installation%20_and_Service_Codes0209.pdf
04:27 eadthem thers your passcode
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04:27 eadthem front panel or remote buttons
04:27 eadthem scroll down to the first blank spot below information
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04:28 eadthem press enter  right right left left enter
04:28 eadthem then your in
04:28 eadthem dose that help?
04:28 egrsteve maybe
04:28 egrsteve it will have to be tried
04:29 eadthem iye
04:29 eadthem it also appears that the projector may not work celing mount if its previous life was floor mount
04:29 eadthem ie  due to the wrong lense
04:29 NeWtoz forgot the A B start
04:30 eadthem ya i was thinking the same thing :p
04:31 egrsteve we joked about the same thing when trying stuff
04:31 egrsteve even tried UUDDLRLR
04:31 eadthem then it might of been tryed alredy     i guess my question is  did you find the runco password sheet?
04:32 egrsteve not before you sent it
04:33 eadthem mmm  this is intersting and relevent
04:33 eadthem Due to its extraordinarily high level of video processing performance, the DHD Controller
04:33 eadthem may distribute video signals with a perceptible level of audio latency
04:33 eadthem there chart shows up to 160miliseconds of video delay
04:34 eadthem nothing below 67  witch is 1080p 60fps
04:34 NeWtoz there would be programs to offset that
04:35 eadthem ya i imagen that tgg labs has the gear to handle a little audio shift
04:36 eadthem well cya  work tomarow
04:38 eadthem o btw  page 19 has throw distances   i dont know what lense it has but its anything from 10 to 60 feet  lense dependant  on a 96x54 inch screen
04:42 egrsteve this one has a newer controller than the one we have so teh delays may be different
04:42 egrsteve hopefully ours will be less
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05:32 lwq1996 is this a good buy
05:32 lwq1996 http://www.goodluckbuy.com/best-1502dd-15v-2a-led-display-stable-voltage-dc-power-supply.html
05:41 Sgt_Lemming tht's not bad
05:41 lwq1996 ik..but its china made
05:41 Sgt_Lemming so is 99% of stuff like that these days
05:42 Seroster Fuck
05:42 Seroster Slept 4 hrs
05:42 lwq1996 whats so bad about that
05:43 Seroster Guess
05:43 lwq1996 your late
05:46 lwq1996 ?
05:47 Seroster http://bytelove.se/swiss-tech-utili-key-6-in-1.html
05:47 Seroster GREAT for air travel!
05:48 lwq1996 SHIT I GOT TO GET UP IN 4HOURS
05:49 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 2 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: mman454 on iOS 5.....Slurpy on iOS 5
05:51 Seroster Anyhow
08:44 Thermoelectric Eww, my connection must have been playing up again.
10:41 Hackbat I love how the instructions for the MRE say "Rock or something"
11:16 yNos|away moin ll
11:16 yNos|away all
11:31 yNos is dead in here...
11:33 masterofmonks Generally is this time of morning.
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11:33 Katemonster angy
11:33 masterofmonks Appears to be away.
11:34 tonsofpcs some guy from .in is pushing insane speeds now
11:34 tonsofpcs popping in and out though
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11:35 tonsofpcs 17:07:47 < angy> Time to go to sleep!
11:35 masterofmonks What sort of zulu are you using tonsofpcs?
11:36 masterofmonks Oh, nevermind, it really was 14 hours ago.
11:38 tonsofpcs nah, it was only 10.5
11:38 tonsofpcs I stopped putting the IRC clock in Zulu a while ago
11:38 tonsofpcs this is eastern time (UTC-0400 for now)
11:43 masterofmonks Apparently there was an opossum in my yard this morning around 0300.
11:44 masterofmonks How did I find this out? The neighbor dog was barking at it. While our dog was laying on her couch going "I wish that dog would shut up while I am trying to sleep"
11:45 tonsofpcs did you kill it?
11:45 masterofmonks No, only think that I have that could have done that would have been my 12 guage, and you pop one of those off at 0300 and the police will be there.
11:46 masterofmonks Once the neighbor dog saw that I saw the opossum she decided that the situation was now under control and went back to her porch.
11:47 masterofmonks It was a damn big opossum too.
11:47 masterofmonks Bigger than my tom cat and he's bloody huge.
11:49 yNos not sure if it was mentioned in here... http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/innovation/dennis-ritchie-obit-bell-labs/index.html
11:50 masterofmonks Ah, yes.
11:51 yNos masterofmonks: the answer to the opossum problem is this: subsonic .22 or air rifles.
11:51 masterofmonks I have a powerful air rifle.
11:52 masterofmonks But if you have ever tried to kill a decent sized opossum with a .177 rifle you know it takes more than a few shots.
11:53 masterofmonks And While I wish I had a .22lr I haven't bought one yet.
11:58 yNos the subsonics i shoot dont make much more noise than an air rifle.
11:59 masterofmonks I know.
11:59 masterofmonks Grew up shooting .22lrs just don't currently own one.
12:00 masterofmonks Actually a .22 short would also do the job nicely.
12:00 yNos lrs?
12:00 masterofmonks Long Rifle.
12:00 yNos ah
12:00 yNos does anyone but kids shoot shorts?
12:01 yNos my daughter shoots shorts..
12:01 masterofmonks Depending on the application.
12:02 masterofmonks Same effect as a .22lr sub sonic.
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12:08 egrsteve morning all
12:09 masterofmonks For various definitions.
12:12 yNos hiya steve
12:18 masterofmonks ROFL
12:18 masterofmonks I just discovered the cat piano ap for my phone.
12:18 masterofmonks My queen is seriously concerned about the cat trapped in my phone.
12:22 tonsofpcs meow.
12:25 egrsteve hi yos
12:27 egrsteve hini ynosynose
12:27 egrsteve hi ynos
12:28 yNos lolololol
12:28 egrsteve what you didn't see was the network drop mid typing
12:29 egrsteve so I retyped it forgeting it might partially be in the buffer already
12:34 yNos nice
12:37 yNos just had some salsa dropped off on my desk
12:37 yNos i need some chips
12:37 egrsteve sounds like you need chips
12:37 masterofmonks Salsa for breraking fast?
12:38 masterofmonks breaking*
12:38 yNos ummmyeah
12:38 egrsteve or is that crisps
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12:44 yNos corn crisps?
12:44 yNos unsalted cornmeal paste fried in animal fat.
12:44 yNos what more could one ask for?
12:45 egrsteve a touch of salt?
12:45 masterofmonks A new heart?
12:47 egrsteve ya, class is boring
12:47 egrsteve too bad it's not a machining class, boring wouldn't be so boring
12:48 * egrsteve wishes he had an engine lathe
12:49 masterofmonks In the grand scheme of things they aren't that expensive.
12:49 egrsteve not horribly, but I am a college student
12:50 masterofmonks http://www.sterlingmachinery.com/listing.php?cat=Lathes&amp;subcat=Engine
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12:55 wannabe1987 .
12:59 NeWtoz what to do today
13:09 wannabe1987 um....
13:09 wannabe1987 idk
13:12 wannabe1987 .in 24h cartown
13:12 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind on 18 Oct 2011 at 13:12Z
13:12 wannabe1987 thx BotSteve
13:12 BotSteve No problem, wannabe1987
13:21 masterofmonks Sun streaking down.
13:22 masterofmonks Correction.
13:22 masterofmonks Sun streaking cold.
13:22 wannabe1987 huh?
13:23 masterofmonks wannabe1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl3ovb2qGHA
13:23 wannabe1987 o, vid?  can't....eric aka dj is playing 3 doors down
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13:31 masterofmonks Welcome back tonsofpcs
13:34 Sythen afternoon all
13:34 masterofmonks Spatula Sythen
13:35 Sythen mmmmm
13:35 Sythen hehe
13:35 Sythen ello masterofmonks
13:43 yNos so, does anyone have any recommendations for cheapish android tabs?
13:43 yNos or.. a non-windows tab?
13:44 Sythen the dropad A8 is rather good apparantly
13:45 Sythen all i can say on the subject really is make sure the tablet you choose has an arm cpu, not a mips cpu
13:45 Sythen and its not a rockchips cpu
13:46 Sythen the hp touchpad runs android really well, and its still in the alpha stages
13:46 yNos hmm
13:47 yNos angy, you around?
13:47 masterofmonks I have a Coby tablet, I wouldn't really recommend it. My touchpad blows it out of the water.
13:48 masterofmonks If you have an Aarons rental store near you, you may be able to find a touchpad there.
13:49 masterofmonks I go to use an ipad for the first time Saturday, and honestly I like my Touchpad better.
13:50 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Need audio foam
13:51 yNos i am looking for an email/irc/voip/www client...
13:52 yNos flash not nessisary, html5 is kinda important..
13:52 yNos so is a keyboard.
13:52 yNos i think the html5 will be the kicker for the most part.
13:53 mom-mobile Why not Zoidberg?
13:54 mom-mobile Seriously though why not try a smart phone?
13:55 mom-mobile This is a virgin optimus v, running android.
13:56 mom-mobile Cost me ninety nine dollars.
13:57 mom-mobile Far out preforms my low end tablet.
13:58 Seroster ARRRR
13:58 Hackbat okay
13:58 Hackbat well
13:58 Hackbat anyone know any good cat recipes?
13:59 masterofmonks Hackbat: Er?
13:59 Hackbat cuase I'm going to fucking kill this kitten and eat it...
13:59 masterofmonks It did what?
13:59 Hackbat fucking chewed threw a cable
13:59 Hackbat on my favorite pair of studio headphones
13:59 masterofmonks It's teething.
14:00 Hackbat threw
14:00 Hackbat not on
14:00 Hackbat *through
14:00 masterofmonks It can't help that your cables are the best thing it can find to chew.
14:00 Hackbat yes but now I have to worry about the fact I have piles upon file sof network cable
14:00 Hackbat all within it's reach
14:01 masterofmonks Get some hot sauce dilute it in water and spray it on your cable.
14:01 masterofmonks Trust me it won't chew on them long.
14:02 Hackbat I think it would still
14:02 Hackbat it's a little soecial in the head
14:02 Hackbat *special
14:02 Hackbat not retarded
14:02 masterofmonks Cats do not like hot sauce at all.
14:02 Hackbat but it's like cat autistic to a degree
14:03 masterofmonks The other thing is to get it something it can chew on safely.
14:04 Hackbat I'm not really up to like talking about it any further right now
14:05 Hackbat I wanna like thump it's head
14:05 Hackbat It was a very special/expensive pair
14:11 Seroster Hackbat, keep cats away from cables.
14:11 Hackbat I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WOULD
14:11 Seroster And don't use toothpaste, the flouride in it is potentially lethal.
14:11 Hackbat I mean they're linked to clawing
14:11 Hackbat not chewing
14:12 Seroster Lol
14:12 Hackbat dogs chew
14:12 Hackbat cats slice
14:12 Seroster Hackbat, welcome to being a parent.
14:12 masterofmonks First cat?
14:12 Hackbat no
14:12 Hackbat first asshole cat though
14:12 masterofmonks First kitten?
14:12 Seroster Dogs are stupid hunks of meat that are best stored in a grinder.
14:13 Hackbat I hate dogs
14:13 Hackbat this is the first cat I wanted to stab
14:14 Hackbat anyway
14:14 Hackbat I gotta go to class
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14:49 yNos grrrr
14:51 yNos our oracle DBAs bug the shit out of me.
14:52 * yNos wants to cockpunch scase a few oracle DBAs
14:52 Cprossu another strange day in indy
14:52 Cprossu just catching up, + hey yNos
14:52 yNos you are in indy now?
14:53 Cprossu yeah
14:53 yNos cool
14:53 Cprossu I get picked up from indy on Friday, probably be in GRR on SAT
14:53 yNos so what kind of fun are you playing with down there?
14:53 yNos cool
14:53 yNos did you find a rental?
14:54 Cprossu no I found a friend
14:54 Cprossu even better
14:54 Cprossu Since he lives in ft wayne it works out well
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14:57 * db yawns
15:00 yNos cool
15:02 Cprossu leaving for now
15:02 egrsteve hello
15:06 egrsteve anything new?
15:08 dbshortwave not yet
15:15 dbshortwave Duckt-tape. Fixes everything.
15:15 dbshortwave If duck-tape doesn't do the trick; use chlorophorm
15:16 * dbshortwave snickers
15:17 wannabe1987 ...
15:18 dbshortwave oh sorry ... bondage moment there
15:18 wannabe1987 lol
15:19 Sgt_Lemming woot
15:19 Sgt_Lemming went dumpster diving
15:19 wannabe1987 hi Sgt_Lemming, whatd ya get?
15:20 Sgt_Lemming pulled a working pc out of a dumpster
15:20 wannabe1987 holy shit, why dump it?
15:20 Sgt_Lemming it's a Compaq business pc with this stupid electronic case log, someone apparently didn't know about it and levered the case open to get the hdd out
15:21 Sgt_Lemming -log +lock
15:21 wannabe1987 ah
15:21 Sgt_Lemming straightened the case back up, and it goes back on fine
15:21 Sgt_Lemming all the guts are there except the hdd
15:22 dbshortwave someone reaaally hated that machine
15:22 dbshortwave lol
15:22 Sgt_Lemming ...?
15:23 dbshortwave for them to pry the drive an toss it in the dumpster?
15:23 dbshortwave is it dated or fairly new?
15:23 Sgt_Lemming dbshortwave, you can lock the case from the bios
15:23 Sgt_Lemming there is a solenoid that clicks out and prevents the case from being opened easily
15:23 Sgt_Lemming dated
15:23 Sgt_Lemming p4 single core
15:24 dbshortwave ohhhh ok that splains it
15:24 dbshortwave ehh still a functioning machine
15:24 Sgt_Lemming http://www.openpinoy.com/goods/images/20080711115929cont2.jpg <---- pretty much that machine
15:24 Sgt_Lemming indeed
15:24 Sgt_Lemming gonna use it as a print server for the hackerspace
15:25 dbshortwave oh thats a decent machine
15:25 * dbshortwave nods
15:26 Sgt_Lemming http://images.esellerpro.com/2131/I/516/39/lrgscaleDCP_7577.JPG <--- WEIRD internal layout
15:26 Sgt_Lemming the cpu is under the HDD in that pic
15:26 dbshortwave kinda like this one http://pics.adoos.com/42c404eed9fa382a938d370c97ee5a3e-1-3-dell-dimension-4500s-18ghz-p4cdrwxp.jpg
15:27 Sgt_Lemming yeah
15:27 dbshortwave mines idleing out at 2ghz right now
15:27 Sgt_Lemming the dimensions used standard uATX board though didn't they?
15:29 dbshortwave maybe something of there own kind
15:29 dbshortwave http://www.thinkpcparts.com/images/uploads/PCPARTS/DELL/DIMENSION%204500S/4500S%20-MBRD.JPG it looks like this
15:29 Sgt_Lemming yeah, that's pretty close to uatx
15:29 Sgt_Lemming the board for the d51 is odd
15:29 dbshortwave the optiplex machines use the uATX
15:29 Sgt_Lemming one side is all different angles
15:30 dbshortwave you should see the size of the one in the precision 450
15:30 dbshortwave the board goes all the way under the PSU and the PSU is server grade
15:30 dbshortwave hell it should be
15:30 Sgt_Lemming http://pcpusher.com/ebay/CIMG8212.JPG
15:31 Sgt_Lemming check out the ram slots, and the psu connector...
15:31 dbshortwave man thats an ugly board
15:31 dbshortwave x.x
15:31 * Sgt_Lemming nods
15:31 * Experimentonomen yawns
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15:33 dbshortwave http://i.ebayimg.com/t/New-Dell-Precision-450-Motherboard-9N167-F1263-/05/!B142gKw!mk~$%28KGrHqIOKnUE%295bFwGM9BMgSN,Bjig~~_3.JPG
15:33 Sgt_Lemming yeah
15:33 dbshortwave thats the board im useing right now
15:33 Sgt_Lemming that's not uncommon for server boards
15:34 dbshortwave http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/6/4/1/6/8/webimg/376883153_tp.jpg
15:34 dbshortwave thats the AGP slot lol
15:34 Sgt_Lemming yeah, it's AGP Pro
15:34 dbshortwave pci and i think the last one is pci 32bit
15:35 dbshortwave or 133
15:35 dbshortwave i cant remember the whole details
15:35 * Sgt_Lemming nods
15:35 Sgt_Lemming PCI-x
15:36 wannabe1987 BotSteve: how to say thats cool in russian
15:36 wannabe1987 fucking bot
15:36 wannabe1987 i'll translate it myself then
15:36 dbshortwave BotSteve: you awake?
15:36 dbshortwave lol
15:37 Sgt_Lemming http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JQ-3vPMtKgs/TELX4K9UIrI/AAAAAAAAIq4/FahkAIPqfIw/s1600/ibm+eserver+011.jpg <---server sitting next to me atm dbshortwave
15:37 Sgt_Lemming IBM x Series eServer 326m
15:37 wannabe1987 BotSteve: это круто
15:37 wannabe1987 BotSteve
15:37 dbshortwave thats a nice machine
15:37 Sgt_Lemming mine has a touch more ran than that one though, and scsi instead of sata
15:37 wannabe1987 hi botsteve
15:37 BotSteve Yo wannabe1987!
15:38 Sgt_Lemming also, PCIe instead of PCI-X
15:38 dbshortwave grandfather to the PCI-e is the PCI-x
15:38 dbshortwave redundant comment but its the truth
15:39 Sgt_Lemming take a look at where the PSU is though...
15:43 dbshortwave ish a small one
15:44 dbshortwave brb gunna make an omlet
15:48 Sgt_Lemming http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/as/dil/images/37_figure2_b.jpg <--- one of my other freebie machines
15:49 wannabe1987 http://i.imgur.com/JH5gh.jpg (don't open if your boss is *right* there
15:50 * angy poke Seroster in the eye
15:50 wannabe1987 ANGY!
15:50 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Craig Bailey on Network Meeting
15:50 angy ME!
15:50 angy wannabe1987!
15:51 wannabe1987 ITSAYOU
15:51 angy it's one of the numerous clones
15:52 angy ok, time to go make the captain happy, I'm going to raid the hardware store for French electrical
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15:53 Sgt_Lemming lo kate
15:53 Katemonster hi
15:53 angy Kate! Lovely Kate!
15:53 Katemonster hi frenchy
15:53 Katemonster :)
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16:02 dbshortwave heh eeePC
16:15 dbshortwave mmm
16:15 dbshortwave repeater...
16:17 dbshortwave sounds like repair is starting the reapeater to test a few squad radios
16:18 NeWtoz repeaters eh?
16:18 * dbshortwave nods
16:19 dbshortwave 45.2400 mhz
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16:24 NeWtoz I had to look up to see what range that fits in
16:28 dbshortwave its goverment here in NY state mainly to madison County
16:29 dbshortwave im sure there are a few other states that use that freq.
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16:32 yNos RAAAAAAGEEEEEE
16:32 angy That is a good emotion
16:32 dbshortwave fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
16:32 dbshortwave lol
16:32 yNos yeah
16:33 yNos i cant get shit done today
16:33 angy exit confirm then
16:33 dbshortwave lazy bug that bit your ass is now making you say fuckit?
16:33 yNos no
16:33 dbshortwave ah
16:33 egrsteve more exchange?
16:33 dbshortwave :|
16:33 yNos people just bugging the shit out of me
16:33 angy .cookie egrsteve
16:33 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a dark chocolate cranberry cookie!
16:33 yNos cant get my own work done.
16:34 angy exit confirm them then
16:34 dbshortwave apu voice "thank you, please come again!"
16:35 yNos no exchange issues.. i have gotten at least a dozen people stopping by me today asking how exchange is running
16:35 yNos DILLIGAF?!?!?!?
16:35 angy ``it's a miracle!''
16:35 Experimentonomen yNos is a funny guy
16:35 egrsteve so they are still bugging you because it works
16:35 yNos yeah
16:36 yNos we are taking backups in 1 hour that were taking 6-8 hours before.
16:36 angy you're way too efficient
16:36 egrsteve sounds like it's running a lot better
16:37 angy exchange backup is really fun if you don't use exchange to do them
16:37 dbshortwave found my desoldering tip for my station
16:38 dbshortwave under the sterio it rolled
16:39 dbshortwave and i typoed
16:39 dbshortwave -.-
16:42 NeWtoz happens even to the best of us
16:44 dbshortwave someone aksed me in another channel why im scared of people i responded "im not scared of people, i just hate them"
16:45 dbshortwave lol
16:46 dbshortwave ish why i like computer life,, i can end this worlkd with the push of a button... then bring it back then kill it again
16:47 dbshortwave ok im going to bring the resoulution down then play a game of minecraft
16:49 Experimentonomen since i hyave a real job now, im gonna open a special bank account specially for saving to a usa trip to go visit the geek group, assuming in allowed to
16:49 NeWtoz heh, just got called to donate some blood
16:49 NeWtoz I'm off to go have some fun
16:54 egrsteve hello all
16:55 angy .cookie egrsteve
16:55 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a M&M's cookie!
16:56 egrsteve hi angy
16:56 angy in 2 days, you may have a nice French cookie
16:56 egrsteve thanks, now I want chocolate
16:56 egrsteve m&ms sound good
16:57 egrsteve or maybe homemade fudge, but that takes a little while to make
16:57 angy never tried making that
16:58 egrsteve if you use the marshmallow fluff it's easy, you just need a good thermometer to control the temp
16:58 angy you'll have to show me ;)
16:58 egrsteve as you have a target window of about 2 degrees at 230 ish
16:58 egrsteve it might be 234
16:59 egrsteve or is it 238
16:59 angy that's a window of 8 degrees
16:59 egrsteve either way you want to hit the temp and not exceed it
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16:59 Experimentonomen im eatin choco sticks & cheez doodles (cheesy poofs)
16:59 Experimentonomen :P
17:00 egrsteve well 230 being 230-240 I can't remember the exact temp off han
17:00 egrsteve d
17:00 angy I'm having cookies from the cookie factory near my house
17:00 mashpriborintorg hi
17:00 egrsteve but what ever it is you need to be precice
17:00 Experimentonomen g'day mash
17:00 mashpriborintorg eating chocolate cake, seems it's om mom mom time
17:01 egrsteve I use a .1 degree digital thermometer when making it
17:01 angy that's precise
17:01 egrsteve mash? your eating mom?
17:01 egrsteve it is I like to hit it within .3 degrees
17:01 angy I try quite often to eat Seroster you know
17:02 * Seroster headbutts angy
17:02 * angy pats Seroster's back
17:02 egrsteve i know but this is mas om mom mom ing
17:02 egrsteve *mash
17:03 mashpriborintorg it's just the noise I make while eating tho
17:04 * mashpriborintorg reading the log
17:05 egrsteve you don't nom you mom?
17:06 mashpriborintorg microwave ovens transformers are made it aluminium wires now, it may be doable to use it for tesla coils, but scrappers would attack it anyway
17:06 mashpriborintorg not yat, I still are some better leat in the fridge
17:06 mashpriborintorg *meat
17:07 mashpriborintorg i still have better meat
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17:12 angy dr_jkl: tomorrow will be US custom passing, I'll remember what you said on that ;)
17:12 Seroster angy, Why do they do their interviews 50% in english?
17:13 angy to see if you speak english
17:13 angy it's a test of some sort
17:13 Seroster What kind of job?
17:13 angy enginering
17:13 angy last interview I had was for making test systems for image processing algorithm
17:13 angy super boring description
17:14 Seroster lol
17:15 angy they paid quite well, but it's boring
17:16 mashpriborintorg I'm on powerpoint show clicking duty at a meeting tomorrow, it will be damn boring
17:16 egrsteve boring is no fun
17:16 yNos grrr
17:16 angy yNos: you bored?
17:16 Seroster i don't give a rat's ass about how much they pay me if I hate my job, I'd snap and start killing things.
17:16 yNos just watched the captains's blog
17:16 Seroster And he filmed your fat chin?
17:16 egrsteve Ynos still not getting work done?
17:17 yNos i need to take a couple days and pound out the internet and get that squared out.
17:17 yNos i am getting stuff done
17:17 yNos just eating lunch
17:17 * egrsteve is heating lunch
17:18 egrsteve which one, the metal cutting/projector one?
17:18 angy I still need to start chopping onions for tonight
17:19 yNos the part of the blog where Bill is working on "the Network"
17:19 egrsteve ah yes
17:19 yNos its there, it just requires me to not be pulled 10 different ways while i get it hammered out.
17:19 yNos that is the pain in the dick part
17:20 yNos i try to work on it and i get pulled over into something else
17:20 yNos time to piingpong
17:21 egrsteve Ynos, check pm
17:23 Experimentonomen yNos, i thought the term was "pain in the ass" not "pain in the dick" O_o
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17:27 egrsteve hello MMMA1
17:32 yNos Experimentonomen: depends on how often it feels like you've been kicked in the balls by the same app
17:36 angy I hate that kind of feeling
17:38 yNos yeah
17:39 angy and you can't kick back the application in the balls
17:40 egrsteve sure you can, kill the process
17:41 Hackbat if you kill it
17:41 angy not the same feeling of satisfaction
17:41 Hackbat it won't suffer
17:41 egrsteve corupt it enough to cause a segfault
17:41 egrsteve *corrupt
17:41 angy I'll have to test it next time
17:42 egrsteve http://xkcd.com/371/
17:43 angy :)
17:44 angy ok, time to move to the restaurant
17:44 angy see ya, in Grand Rapids!
17:45 tonsofpcs move the restaurant?
17:45 angy that I can try
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17:45 egrsteve have fun, enjoy your trip
17:46 angy I hope I won't have a kid of a baby near me in the planes
17:46 tonsofpcs egrsteve: 391.
17:46 angy if I have a baby, I'll fedex it to Seroster
17:46 angy I know he'll enjoy
17:46 tonsofpcs angy: safe travels, see you on the flip side (when you appear on the camera in MC and Cprossu gets the stream working)
17:46 egrsteve thanks :(
17:47 tonsofpcs egrsteve: upset for winning?
17:47 angy .cookie egrsteve
17:47 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a double chocolate chip cookie!
17:47 angy that's chocolate!
17:47 egrsteve I hope to get the stream working before then, maybe
17:47 tonsofpcs oo
17:47 tonsofpcs I thought it was on hold awaiting the new PC
17:47 angy if you want help by wednesday, I'll be available :)
17:47 tonsofpcs but making magic happen is of course welcome :)
17:48 egrsteve I have a working PC as of saturday night
17:48 egrsteve it needs network drivers and updates still
17:48 egrsteve and a lot of luck
17:49 tonsofpcs no PCI cards on-hand with known drivers?
17:50 tonsofpcs (that's what I usually do when a mobo doesn't have windows builtin network drivers)
17:50 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Bill Jones on Network Meeting
17:51 egrsteve I have the driver file, I just need to install it, a temp card would work too
17:51 tonsofpcs that reminds me, I need to dig out the one that works with XP/Vista/7.  The old DEC cards stopped working w/ XP
17:52 egrsteve I'm more worried about the black magic card than the network
17:52 angy I forgot to go dig in my huge pile of old things to find if I had an acquisition card
17:53 egrsteve it's ok, the black magic card it a really good one, it's just a bit finiky about the system it's in
17:54 tonsofpcs well, if they wanted a cheap one, there's USB ones for like $2 from DX.  Quality costs :)
17:54 egrsteve ya
17:54 egrsteve although the balun were using for video from HVL is from DX and is working very well
17:54 angy the one I have is quite a beast
17:55 angy but I think it's pci-x not pcie
17:55 tonsofpcs matrox? blackmagic? bluefish?
17:56 angy I think matrox, but not sure at all
17:58 tonsofpcs or ATI/AMD or NVidia
17:58 tonsofpcs egrsteve: did I show you the nVidia SDI stuff I found?
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17:58 egrsteve no
17:59 egrsteve nvideo made SDI stuff?
17:59 tonsofpcs http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_dvp.html
17:59 tonsofpcs I'm thinking that they were asked by Broadcast Pix to make it.
18:00 tonsofpcs there's input cards, in-line GPUs, and output cards
18:00 * angy is going to detach the IRC
18:00 tonsofpcs cya ang
18:00 tonsofpcs like, it's a modular switching/processing system
18:00 tonsofpcs would be cool to build a switcher
18:01 egrsteve it looks impressive
18:01 egrsteve using the modern GPU as a frame buffer, who would have though
18:02 tonsofpcs it's been done a million times before
18:02 tonsofpcs I mean, that's what the Video Toaster did
18:02 tonsofpcs it used the amiga graphics bus to control a GPU on the card that had external inputs and outputs.
18:03 egrsteve thats true, but it's been a while sense I have heard of one
18:03 egrsteve especially from someone as big as nvideA
18:04 tonsofpcs yea
18:05 tonsofpcs usually a third party steals chips or gets them embedded on some sort of evaulation design board and hijaccks them that way
18:05 egrsteve you do much with video baluns?
18:05 tonsofpcs I've not really needed them.  Why? thinkin about HV?
18:05 tonsofpcs (well, I use a ton of them for VGA)
18:05 egrsteve more full building infistucture
18:06 egrsteve I can send 2 video+2 genlock on a single cat5
18:06 tonsofpcs run 4 home-runs of Cat6 to every room from a master patch room.  More runs to MC and each studio.  You can run anything on Cat6
18:06 egrsteve basicly
18:06 egrsteve even 2 in each room (4 cameras)
18:06 tonsofpcs that said, I've never tried cross-patching video like that.  I'd expect there to be a ton of interference from pairs running adjacent
18:07 wannabe1987 .
18:07 egrsteve seems to be fine
18:07 tonsofpcs well, your four runs to each room each get a color, so if you want ethernet, you patch ethernet, audio you patch audio, etc.
18:07 egrsteve it's balanced twisted pairs
18:07 tonsofpcs I keep a few 4x XLR <> RJ45s made up and usee them for testing (both analog line-level audio and AES audio)
18:07 egrsteve agreed, I still need an mic level audio solition though
18:07 tonsofpcs preamps.
18:07 egrsteve $$
18:08 tonsofpcs well...... how many mics do you need per room, max?
18:08 tonsofpcs (for normal use)
18:08 egrsteve at least 1 perminate, plus the ability to add a couple more
18:08 tonsofpcs so, my thought:
18:08 egrsteve 4 channels would be enough
18:08 tonsofpcs every room is going to have a camera, right?
18:09 egrsteve every room with a camera should get audio
18:09 egrsteve although it may not be ALL rooms, but most
18:09 tonsofpcs ok, so the camera is a preamp for the permanent mic.
18:09 egrsteve will work with some of our cameras, but not all
18:09 tonsofpcs then you just build up a 4x XLR-in, RJ-45 out mic preamp that you use when you need more (maybe build a few)
18:10 tonsofpcs you don't need to amp it fully to line-level, just enough to drive the line
18:10 tonsofpcs you should have plenty of gain in the wheatstone
18:10 egrsteve the problem is low cost, low noise pre amps
18:10 tonsofpcs maybe try with an LM386 (or a pair thereof) for a test?
18:11 tonsofpcs you can get >40 dB with a cap across the control pins
18:11 tonsofpcs well, if you keep it balanced and run the amp in a balanced mode, so long as it's low-distortion you shouldn't have issue
18:11 egrsteve that looks to be discontinued
18:11 tonsofpcs LM386 is discontinued?!?!
18:12 egrsteve at least at national
18:12 egrsteve 7 watt audio
18:12 tonsofpcs http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM386.html#Overview
18:12 tonsofpcs I've used them as cheap headphone amps
18:12 Experimentonomen the LM386 is one of the most hated amp ic's ever made
18:12 egrsteve wrong part # i search
18:13 egrsteve ok, they exist
18:13 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: got a suggestion for a balanced opamp to give 40dB+ of clean gain?
18:13 tonsofpcs preferrably 600ohm output
18:13 Experimentonomen most regular opamps can do that
18:14 Experimentonomen but a gain of 40 is quite alot and may introduce noise if done as a single stage
18:14 tonsofpcs oh, and remember, the Wheatstone is true balanced input, not opamp balanced, so it should be good to cancel any common-mode noise, not just low-range
18:14 egrsteve how about a TI INA217
18:15 tonsofpcs I mean, you can build a mic preamp with a handful of transistors if you want.
18:15 egrsteve wait thats unbalanced out
18:15 Experimentonomen http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM4562.html#Overview
18:15 tonsofpcs alternatively, you can get a shure mic mixer (3 - 5 inputs, 1 output, line and mic balanced out)
18:16 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: two of that diagram on the right in the package?
18:16 Experimentonomen yes
18:16 Experimentonomen dual opamp
18:16 tonsofpcs oh, it's made to dual-stage itselfr
18:16 Experimentonomen nope
18:16 Experimentonomen thats an exaple
18:17 tonsofpcs *grabs spec sheet instead*
18:17 egrsteve could I use a unity gain op-amp for both sides of the balanced signal and just run a current amp
18:17 egrsteve without gain
18:17 mashpriborintorg wow i've found the weirdest url ever http://xn--e1agijqc6ee.xn--p1ai/product/dvigateliassinhronnie.html
18:18 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: how iss that weird?
18:18 mashpriborintorg htf does it work
18:18 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: that's the unicoode translation stuffs
18:18 Experimentonomen are you planning to send or receive balanced audio signals ?
18:18 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: yes.
18:18 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: mic level in, line level out
18:18 tonsofpcs fraction of a volt to just over a volt (40dB higher than input)
18:18 egrsteve http://sound.westhost.com/project30a.htm
18:18 tonsofpcs probably some designs on epanorma, too
18:18 egrsteve electric balanced version one, less the right differential amp
18:18 tonsofpcs and probably in these books at my feet
18:19 Experimentonomen http://sound.westhost.com/project51.htm
18:19 mashpriborintorg so it's the hard way to type an url :-p
18:20 egrsteve well thats easy
18:20 egrsteve although it's unbal to bal
18:21 egrsteve although I can make bath non-inverting with a bit of gain and call it good
18:21 egrsteve the other problem is phantom power then
18:22 egrsteve as this will not pass phantom
18:23 Experimentonomen add the phantom power after it
18:24 egrsteve I could
18:24 egrsteve would need a 48V supply, but thats not too hard
18:24 Experimentonomen that could be just a small 24V transformer with a voltage doubler and a regulator
18:26 egrsteve i could
18:26 Cprossu back for a bit
18:26 * Cprossu reads up
18:27 tonsofpcs egrsteve: what condensors do you need to power?
18:30 ajprog_laptop egrsteve: you stopping by tonight? we just had some cameras drop off for you to put up
18:30 tonsofpcs you could just run a bunch of http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=MP1201CUT to that same patch room
18:30 tonsofpcs use one of the solder-type 1/4" patches (or, if in an area where you need to control RF, which is really most of the place, XLR connectors)
18:32 tonsofpcs note: quad star is generally used for a single balanced pair per cable.  Sure, there's 4 conductors, but you join two for a signal.
18:33 tonsofpcs http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=53
18:34 tonsofpcs etc.
18:35 * yNos <3s jujubes
18:35 egrsteve tons, I have canare quad star at home :)
18:36 egrsteve ajprog_laptop I should be by after 6
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18:36 tonsofpcs egrsteve: a box/spool or twelve?
18:37 egrsteve 2 part spools
18:37 tonsofpcs heck, put the studios in A on the wehatstone and the patch room in B
18:38 tonsofpcs alternatively, make the downstairs be the patchroom (take a bookshelf and wire it there) and run everything through there.
18:39 egrsteve you think I need quad cable there for non-recording use, can something lower cost be used for install
18:40 tonsofpcs if you have "recording quality" and "not-recordidng-quality" connections built out, they're going to choose the wrong one every time.  Just build out recording quality ;)
18:41 egrsteve I ment the long cross building runs to MC
18:41 egrsteve could I get away with this
18:41 egrsteve http://www.markertek.com/Cables/Bulk-Wire-Cable/Bulk-Audio-Cable/West-Penn-Wire-Corp/291-BLACK.xhtml
18:41 egrsteve as those should only be used for live stream
18:42 tonsofpcs I use stuff like that for VERY short runs and for line level in a RF-clean environment.  I'd use it for line level
18:42 tonsofpcs we use belden... *finds the part number*
18:42 egrsteve I like belden but I'm not sure we can afford it right now
18:43 tonsofpcs 8451? I think?
18:43 tonsofpcs right, I don't expect you to buy belden
18:43 tonsofpcs I expect you to buy "eqivilant to [belden number here]" from canare or someone else :-p
18:43 tonsofpcs especially for crappy wire like that
18:44 egrsteve that looks a lot like the west penn
18:44 tonsofpcs but yea, i wouldn't run that for any mic-level runs.  Run it for line-level, sure
18:45 egrsteve thats my problem I really need long mic level runs :(
18:45 tonsofpcs actually, I think the west penn is better :-p
18:45 egrsteve and cost less than half the price
18:46 tonsofpcs I strip the sheath with the 12 AWG stripper on my pocket knife, the wire is 22 or 24 iirc
18:46 tonsofpcs but I would use that for line level.
18:47 tonsofpcs what is your longest horizontal run other than HVAC?
18:47 egrsteve I do that too, but with by rachet stripper
18:47 tonsofpcs *HV
18:47 * tonsofpcs is tired
18:47 egrsteve the basement labs once they are setup, IE electronics
18:48 egrsteve and a couple of the other rooms in the basement
18:48 tonsofpcs also, I'm sure you'll have fun finding decent cable pathways.  Remember, if you're putting it in a drop ceiling, you'll need plenum....
18:48 egrsteve how about open ceilings
18:48 egrsteve plenum or non?
18:49 tonsofpcs I just run plenum everywhere when I have the option....  keep the inspector happy
18:49 tonsofpcs idk what your building code is there.  Honestly, for safety, I'd rather LSZH, but code is code..... Maybe chris knows?
18:49 egrsteve mayeb
18:50 tonsofpcs You could run it in conduit and make sure the conduit isn't a plenum space.... but then you need conduit
18:50 tonsofpcs that said, grounded metal conduit could be a good thing.
18:51 egrsteve keeps external EMI out
18:51 egrsteve or use plastic conduit for lower cost
18:52 Cprossu lol we need an 'HVAC' lab
18:52 yNos ajprog_laptop: you around?
18:52 ajprog_laptop yep
18:52 tonsofpcs Cprossu: yes, you do.  To keep MC cool ;)
18:52 yNos you at the lab?
18:52 Cprossu all of us are here at the same time cool lol
18:53 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: when are you getting in town?
18:53 ajprog_laptop yep
18:53 egrsteve the problem with conduit is cost, I woudld need at least 1" through much of the lab
18:53 Cprossu tonsofpcs we could displace the heat from MC into chris's office
18:53 Cprossu it would be an hvac experiment
18:53 yNos do you know how you want the copper run in the cafe?
18:53 ajprog_laptop how about the main office, it is cold in there
18:53 tonsofpcs yNos: we're discussing copper runs right now, actually ;)
18:53 yNos i am busting ass trying to get the APs from here today
18:53 Cprossu ajprog_laptop Saturday it looks
18:54 Cprossu let me check and see if my packages have started their jornies
18:54 ajprog_laptop yNos: you mean the cat5/6?
18:54 yNos yeah
18:54 egrsteve I'm thinking bridle rings off the iron along the back wall (over computer bench)
18:54 tonsofpcs yNos: we're discussing possibly running 4 runs of Cat5/6 to a master patch room from every room, to use for all manners of things.
18:54 yNos for the network?
18:54 egrsteve this is video backbone
18:55 yNos i have a vlan config setup so we dont have to run a crapload of cables through stone walls.
18:55 tonsofpcs for everything.  No reason not to have network patchable there too.
18:55 yNos video wont require as many as network, so that is not ass abad.
18:55 yNos **as bad
18:55 Cprossu ajprog_laptop were any SDI cameras donated?
18:55 ajprog_laptop one coming toward the desk for that side of the room and then one or two over by the bathroom for that side
18:56 yNos i was thinking 6 fibre runs back to a central dist switch
18:56 tonsofpcs 4 homeruns from each and every room is less than network?
18:56 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: that is all we have
18:56 Cprossu so we have analog cameras
18:56 tonsofpcs egrsteve: also, do you need your patch room locked? (I would think so)
18:56 yNos each of the 6 fibre runs will have one 24 port switch on the other end.
18:56 Cprossu *so=no
18:57 egrsteve there will be a first floor network room that is central in the building
18:57 Cprossu so how's the server room look yNos?
18:57 yNos i took the ceiling out last week
18:57 egrsteve I could use that but access for repatch could be an issue depending on who is there to do it
18:57 yNos am still raging about not having power in there.
18:57 ajprog_laptop yNos: we might want to add one to robotics, radio and showcontrol
18:58 tonsofpcs I would seriously consider having network patchable in the same place as video/audio/etc.
18:58 yNos how often is there someone in robotics?
18:58 tonsofpcs that way you can add temporary network drops in a hurry.  Maybe just put one network switch in patch-land with a gig+ home-run to the network home base?
18:58 yNos i understand bill wants it down there.
18:58 ajprog_laptop it is a big work area once we have members
18:58 Cprossu you should come in wearing illegal junction boxes and 30deg bends of conduit and haunt chris in his sleep, you can be the spirit of conduit past
18:59 Cprossu ^ @ yNos
18:59 yNos wireless down there i understand.. but 24/48 ports wired?
18:59 tonsofpcs 30 deg bends?????
18:59 Cprossu we could have dave act as the ghost of electrical conduit future
18:59 tonsofpcs yNos: any suggestions for PoE-powered PoE-providing switches?
18:59 Experimentonomen lol
18:59 yNos we have POE switches.
18:59 yNos 5 of them
18:59 tonsofpcs for me, not you :-p
18:59 yNos oh
19:00 yNos cisco cat anything..
19:00 Cprossu tonsofpcs you musta turned a blind eye when you were there for the previouswiring mess
19:00 tonsofpcs Cprossu: no, everything was still covered by video cables :-p
19:00 tonsofpcs (yea, I saw one disaster on one wall0
19:00 egrsteve 22 deg bends would be understable but 30?
19:00 Experimentonomen bedtime, nite peepz
19:01 ajprog_laptop yNos: we might be able to get away with just having a branch off video for robotics
19:01 yNos afk min - going to see if the network team is back yet...
19:01 tonsofpcs trying to get an ip phone system, we have issues with far-away places, have a nicely placed closet for a switch, but only the tech core has backup power.
19:01 tonsofpcs wiring 101:  home-runs.  home-runs.  home-runs.
19:02 egrsteve I like home runs as well, but it doesn't always happen
19:02 Cprossu I always run my wiring at my own home with something I can rip out easily
19:02 tonsofpcs grounds? home-runs.  High speed data? home-run.  Patch room for AV?  home-run.
19:03 * Cprossu bats and does not get a home-run
19:03 tonsofpcs egrsteve: right, that's what patch rooms are for.
19:03 tonsofpcs you turn whatever you need into a home run without having a dedicated one.
19:03 Cprossu and wiring closets that get long forgotten...and walled off
19:03 tonsofpcs your wiring is in closets?
19:03 Cprossu until something goes wrong then they try to find it
19:04 tonsofpcs hey, just because a network cable hops through plaster and you hear a UPS beeping behind it.........
19:04 * egrsteve grabs a big hammer
19:05 egrsteve finds office on other side
19:05 Cprossu ouch tonsofpcs
19:05 Cprossu that SDI out card is $3500
19:06 Cprossu the cap is $4500
19:08 Cprossu and since you're spending that much anyway the quadrofx 6000 is $4000
19:08 Cprossu so $12k?
19:08 egrsteve for 4 channels of SDI in, 2 out + hardware based processing
19:08 egrsteve not too bad
19:09 egrsteve at 2k res
19:09 tonsofpcs Cprossu: and?
19:09 tonsofpcs I'm guessing that's retail pricing?
19:10 tonsofpcs note: you already have SDI i/o cards at LSL
19:10 egrsteve in the duet units
19:10 tonsofpcs not for modular GPU stuff though
19:10 tonsofpcs yup
19:10 tonsofpcs and at least one of the Dekos
19:10 egrsteve probably just as powerfull though
19:11 tonsofpcs well, those have GPUs on-board
19:11 tonsofpcs they're not designed for custom processes like the nvidia stuff
19:11 tonsofpcs although I do kinda expect nvidia to try to pick up chyron
19:12 tonsofpcs I'm guessing they're designed for these guys: http://www.broadcastpix.com/Products/Granite-Desktop.html
19:12 tonsofpcs newtek is the only other major player in the PC-switcher game and they've always built their own stuff
19:13 egrsteve no, the nvidea requires genlock theres has frame syncs built in
19:13 egrsteve unless they have 11 or 22 channels of SDI TBC
19:14 tonsofpcs you don't need that many.  You only need two.
19:14 tonsofpcs (well, two + keys)
19:14 egrsteve true, 4 to 6 once you figure compositing
19:14 tonsofpcs (what's on, what you're about to switch on, and what is overlayed)
19:14 egrsteve current, next 2 overlay 2 key
19:15 egrsteve but they have soft preview for all inputs so that implies that can capture all at the same time
19:15 tonsofpcs I don't think it's in that product, I think it is designed for them though
19:16 egrsteve 3 or 6 keys
19:16 egrsteve it claims
19:17 yNos YAYAYAY!!
19:17 tonsofpcs ?
19:17 egrsteve people finnaly leave you alone?
19:17 yNos we now have 12 1231-A-K9 APs
19:17 tonsofpcs inventory tracking with them?
19:18 yNos yeah.. i have to make a list of serials
19:18 egrsteve cool, they will be put to good use
19:19 egrsteve 12 should be almost enough to cover the building
19:19 egrsteve we need to install one in the MDH ceiling
19:19 egrsteve we already have cat5 there
19:19 yNos forsure
19:19 yNos cool
19:19 egrsteve it runs to show control
19:20 egrsteve put one on the roof, pick it up from GH5
19:21 tonsofpcs use ubnt gear for that.
19:21 egrsteve I know
19:22 tonsofpcs http://www.ubnt.com/nanobridge
19:25 tonsofpcs or maybe the new mkrotik stuff, but i'd be wary
19:25 egrsteve better would be fiber, its 3 blocks away
19:25 tonsofpcs run the poles at night? or find a dark strand? or find someone to give you a dark strand?
19:27 egrsteve don't know
19:28 * egrsteve cuts fiber, looks at ends, not dark
19:32 tonsofpcs heh
19:32 Cprossu lol
19:33 * Cprossu puts a 3MW laser at the other end of the fiber, tells yNos he has a Firehose....as in a hose that sets fires
19:33 tonsofpcs 3 MW? won't that melt the glas?
19:34 Cprossu depends on how many strands there are
19:34 Cprossu and my heatsinking
19:34 tonsofpcs 1? 10? 100?
19:34 * Cprossu raises pinky to mouth* ONE MILLLLLLLLLLLLIIOOOOON FIBERS!
19:35 tonsofpcs you still have sheathing between the glass..........
19:35 egrsteve can we attach the fiber to sharks?
19:35 tonsofpcs shark fibre?
19:36 egrsteve no sharks with fiber lasers on there heads
19:36 tonsofpcs make a laser phaser gun?
19:36 egrsteve Cprossu, replace the fiber with a fiber laser
19:36 tonsofpcs *goes to listen to voltaire*
19:37 egrsteve .w fiber laser
19:37 BotSteve "A fiber laser or fibre laser is a laser in which the active gain medium is an optical fiber doped with rare-earth elements such as erbium, ytterbium, neodymium, dysprosium, praseodymium, and thulium." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_laser
19:37 egrsteve makes heat dissipation easier
19:38 egrsteve as teh gain cavity can be really long, and coiled up
19:38 yNos ok
19:38 tonsofpcs wait, can you put two coils around each other to get some energy between them? :)
19:38 yNos omw out to tgg to drop these puppies off
19:38 yNos later all
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19:39 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell lwq1996 i get my phone back later today
19:39 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when lwq1996 is around.
19:39 wannabe1987 bye yNos
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19:39 egrsteve bye Ynos
19:39 tonsofpcs puppies?! oo!
19:39 tonsofpcs (cya)
19:54 egrsteve wow, chat is now dead
19:57 Cprossu indeed
19:57 Cprossu lost connection egrsteve
19:57 Cprossu got it back at least
19:58 tonsofpcs ?
20:05 egrsteve hmm, has class in 20 min
20:05 tonsofpcs object oriented class?
20:06 egrsteve no, electrons and there movement
20:06 egrsteve through circuits
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20:20 masterofmonks Hello Guest14743, you may change your nick by using /nick yournewnick
20:20 * egrsteve should head to class, then resume this exciting game of solitare
20:20 astro73|mal huh. no wannabe? shame.
20:23 Cprossu I am out
20:23 Cprossu later egrsteve|brb egrsteve
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20:31 injektion I want to put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger
20:31 egrsteve bye cprossu
20:33 westmi injektion i know the feeling. fight it.
20:34 injektion my throat is swollen
20:35 westmi ss
20:36 egrsteve yay, super position
20:37 tonsofpcs ?
20:37 tonsofpcs is that like poll position, only with better graphics?
20:45 egrsteve no, addition of linear systems
20:46 egrsteve botsteve needs a random topic generator
20:50 * egrsteve finaly beat solitare
20:50 tonsofpcs heh
20:50 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new posts on the Geek Group forums ( http://goo.gl/t0vze ).  New posts made by: Tmb on Project Smiljan
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21:11 wannabe1987 .
21:12 injektion Bah my BF wants me to quit my job :|
21:13 wannabe1987 why?
21:13 injektion Because it
21:13 lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
21:13 injektion Is affecting my health
21:13 wannabe1987 LEE
21:14 lwq1996 hi...long time :P
21:14 BotSteve lwq1996: I have the following messages for you:
21:14 injektion My throat is swollen, I have chlorine rash all over my legs, arms, and other private areas
21:14 BotSteve At 19:39Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell lwq1996 i get my phone back later today
21:14 wannabe1987 i gots my phone :D
21:14 lwq1996 lol
21:14 lwq1996 what happened injektion...
21:15 tonsofpcs went swimming?
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21:15 tonsofpcs oh, wait, injektion is the one with the job playing with chemicals with no protective gear....
21:15 injektion Yes
21:15 tonsofpcs forget 'quit', call osha.
21:15 lwq1996 lol
21:16 wannabe1987 i actually agree w/ your boyfriend....
21:16 tonsofpcs seriously.
21:19 masterofmonks tonsofpcs: Hate to tell you this. OSHA is a joke.
21:20 lwq1996 yup
21:20 wannabe1987 leeeeee how are you?
21:20 lwq1996 tired
21:21 wannabe1987 aw :(
21:21 masterofmonks The only agency that will have any effect in his situation is the EPA and they are just going to fine the company 2 million dollars, the company is going to appeal and at the end end up paying a little over 2 grand.
21:21 lwq1996 yup
21:22 injektion Not to mention certain people in the government that want to cripple the EPA even further
21:22 lwq1996 if anything you should sue them for the burns and breathing problems and demand workers comp
21:22 masterofmonks Actually the EPA needs to be trashed completely.
21:22 masterofmonks Want to know what scares companies, civil litigation.
21:23 masterofmonks And as long as they are "Within minimum EPA standards" they are protected from it.
21:24 wannabe1987 lwq1996 you busy??
21:24 lwq1996 no
21:25 masterofmonks As for the workers comp, you need to complain within 24 hours of an incident or you face an enormous uphill battle to prove your injury happened at work.
21:26 injektion Speaking of that the next time I get involved with a bad batch of ACL 56 I am going to claim WC
21:29 injektion That shit is corrosive when it
21:29 injektion It's close to being powder
21:29 lwq1996 ACL 56?
21:31 injektion ACL 56 is OxyChem's name for sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate and contains about 56 percent available chlorine. It is available as a dry granular product.
21:31 lwq1996 ah
21:31 masterofmonks Oh, that's fun.
21:32 lwq1996 ima take a nap
21:32 injektion When it's ground down past granular form it gets corrosive real quick :(
21:35 injektion My favorite hazard logo of all time http://www.reflexallen.com/dati/images/environmentally-hazardous-substance-6130all30-6130a30_t1.jpg
21:36 masterofmonks injektion: Methyl parathion
21:36 masterofmonks That crap makes my skin crawl to think about.
21:38 egrsteve|away crap, startup disk full, 87 Mb remain
21:38 injektion I thought that was a banned substance
21:39 masterofmonks Yes... that's what you would think...
21:40 injektion Just like R-12 is supposed to be banned too but I can by it although a bit expensive
21:41 masterofmonks I had a guy walk up to a collection site and just nonchalantly set a 5 gallon drum of the stuff on my table.
21:42 masterofmonks I freaked a little bit.
21:42 injektion If I was to do that instead of that I'd give you a 5 gallon drum of hydrochloric acid
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21:42 * masterofmonks waves his hand in dismissal.
21:43 masterofmonks I once dumpped 55 gallons of HCl and had to clean it up.
21:43 injektion I need to get some bicarb and neutralize the waste acid
21:43 Cprossu lol
21:43 masterofmonks For HCl, use Sodium Hydroxide.
21:44 Cprossu injektion virgin R12 is hell to get though
21:44 masterofmonks The result is water and salt.
21:44 injektion At work they use bicarb to neutralize it
21:44 Cprossu the going price is a soul + first born, and a sacrifice to the gods of refrigeration
21:45 injektion My dad has hotshot which is a drop in replacement for R-12
21:45 injektion Doesn't work as well though
21:45 Cprossu and it's flamable
21:45 injektion Nothing works good in an R-12 system other than R-12
21:45 injektion Hotshot is not flammable
21:45 Cprossu at least if it's what I think it is injektion
21:46 Cprossu there's one with a name like that, they got a contract with phoenix for the busses and it was flammable enough that we had several busses destroyed by it
21:46 injektion Was it R-414b?
21:48 Cprossu it was a 'mixture' of horrifying things
21:48 tonsofpcs wheee
21:48 injektion Hot Shot is not flammable at atmospheric pressure and temperatures below 100?C (212?F). Hot Shot should not exist
21:48 injektion with air/excess oxygen at elevated pressures and high temperatures. Hot Shot can become combustible with combinations of elevated temperatures, pressures, and oxygen, and an ignition source.
21:49 Cprossu r22, butane, and r124 I think injektion
21:49 Cprossu possibly some others
21:49 injektion http://icor.mobi/images/r414b.pdf
21:49 Cprossu injektion: all which were present
21:49 tonsofpcs so, cable tech was here, shorted a piece of coax, made some measurements, is going to put in for a rewire of the apartments... I expect another service call in a week........
21:50 Cprossu so I am fairly sure it was hotshot
21:50 injektion Good thing the BMW has a leak in the A/C system
21:50 tonsofpcs now to get that torrent running again........
21:50 Cprossu fun tonsofpcs
21:51 injektion The EPA wants to phase out HCFCs :|
21:52 Cprossu the EPA wan't to phase out oxygen for atmospheric living use.
21:52 Cprossu moot point
21:53 injektion What do they suggest as a replacement for HCFCs? ammonia?
21:53 Cprossu ammonia: the better dead meat maker
21:54 injektion http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/phaseout/hcfc.html
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21:54 astro73|mal wannabe1987!
21:55 Cprossu injektion google R1234YF
21:55 Thermoelectric Could they make the name any longer?
21:55 Cprossu yes.
21:56 tonsofpcs yes.
21:57 Thermoelectric Guess I shouldn't have asked.
22:00 astro73|mal wannabe1987, http://smittenkitchen.com/2011/10/apple-pie-cookies/
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22:08 Ponko hello all
22:08 * NeWtoz eyes Ponko
22:08 Seroster ARR
22:09 Seroster I want to eat forks
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22:09 tonsofpcs om nom ouch?
22:09 * Ponko grimaces @ NeWtoz
22:09 wannabe1987 astro73|mal!
22:09 Seroster Ey Thermoelectric, I got a new mot today
22:09 * NeWtoz makes an angry face
22:09 wannabe1987 sorry, i was eating....
22:09 astro73|mal wannabe1987, it happens.
22:10 Photon939 anyone here good with itunes and apple products?
22:10 wannabe1987 possibly
22:10 wannabe1987 why
22:10 Ponko don't blame me NeWtoz
22:10 Electricguy sleeptime. night all
22:10 Photon939 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181169/applederp.PNG
22:10 NeWtoz I'm not
22:10 wannabe1987 astro73|mal, those look interesting.  who is/where is astro73?
22:11 astro73|mal wannabe1987, the irccloud bouncer. But I don't feel like digging out my laptop atm.
22:11 wannabe1987 ah
22:12 Ponko i know lol but you should blame the rams for being soo awful and Alex Smith
22:12 wannabe1987 hows GR?
22:13 NeWtoz heh
22:13 NeWtoz my gf's favorite team is the rams
22:13 injektion Photon939, I think iTunes on Windows uses the Windows Installer
22:13 astro73|mal wannabe1987, leafy. Where are you?
22:13 Ponko well they suck regardless
22:13 wannabe1987 Greenville....
22:13 Ponko and my ex's team are the bears
22:13 Photon939 injektion: the installer doesn't even open anymore
22:14 NeWtoz oh, easily
22:14 Photon939 i click the installer, a little progress bar pops up for 1/2 second and then vanishes
22:14 NeWtoz I can see why she is your ex :P
22:14 Photon939 nothing else happens
22:14 injektion You broke your Windows
22:14 Ponko NeWtoz are the new 05 Lions
22:14 Photon939 my windows runs great
22:14 Ponko the Rams are*
22:14 astro73|mal Photon939, reboot?
22:14 Photon939 tried that
22:15 injektion Look for ways to fix Windows Installer problemds
22:15 injektion problems*
22:15 Photon939 it's something to do with itunes
22:15 Photon939 i have no problems installing other crap
22:15 injektion Re-download it
22:15 Photon939 tried that
22:15 Photon939 tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions
22:16 injektion Does anything else that installs with the windows installer work?
22:16 astro73|mal why do you need itunes? other software can talk to most ipods.
22:16 Photon939 ipod touch
22:16 Photon939 and i would rather not use itunes but it seems other programs that talk to ipod touches require it
22:16 Photon939 since apple decided to remove mass storage mode
22:16 Photon939 and made it an imaging device
22:17 astro73|mal when did ubuntu decide it was cool to open folders of media in vlc?
22:22 Seroster Arrrgh
22:23 Ponko what a prat
22:28 tggmc Ynos you there?
22:28 Cprossu hey tggmc who's at the helm?
22:30 tggmc nobody
22:30 Cprossu fair enough.
22:30 wannabe1987 lol
22:31 tonsofpcs lol
22:31 Cprossu I hate it when nobody talks to me and suggests I do things
22:31 Cprossu very unsettiling
22:32 masterofmonks http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldp3jukzHo1qb9a2wo1_500.png
22:32 Cprossu holy crap newegg has ceiling fans =/
22:32 masterofmonks And George Foreman fire hazards.
22:33 Cprossu I wonder if dx has grills
22:34 Cprossu http://www.dealextreme.com/p/brs-18-camping-stove-bbq-grill-set-92124
22:34 Cprossu it says my satisfaction is GUARANTEED!
22:34 tonsofpcs grill?
22:34 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: I have a GFFH
22:35 tonsofpcs the new ones have off switches, apparently
22:35 Cprossu So which is the bigger fire hazard masterofmonks? george forman grill or the deal extreme propane grill thing?
22:35 masterofmonks Honestly probably the former.
22:36 masterofmonks People tend to not think about the fire hazards of things you plug into the wall.
22:37 Cprossu people tend to not think about the fire hazards of having 5 gallons of boiling oil next to their house either
22:37 Cprossu Especially if a turkey is involved
22:37 masterofmonks Yeah, Alton Brown did a good bit on that subject.
22:38 Cprossu people also don't have respect for fire makers of the waxy and/or scented kind masterofmonks
22:38 masterofmonks Also true.
22:38 masterofmonks This is why I play with fire.
22:38 astro73|mal masterofmonks, i've seen that bit.
22:39 masterofmonks Well that and it isn't a grill unless it is burning solid hydrocarbons here.
22:40 Cprossu firefighter 1: a candle burned down your house! Home owner 1: Gee I didn't realize that a combustable set of wax, cotton, and other materials which is on fire and in a very bad place below my curtains could possibly set fire to them! I mean it's JUST a candle
22:41 masterofmonks That is like the whole "They busted a meth lab the other day..."
22:41 Cprossu srsly. tggmc if you have anything I can help with give me a ring on my phone. signing off of here for a bit
22:41 masterofmonks What they don't realize is that nearly everyone has everything they need to make a meth lab under their sink.
22:42 Cprossu yeah. all the police/dea does is make it impossible for me to get my fucking sudafed.
22:42 Cprossu but that's another story
22:42 astro73|mal don't get me started on the dea.
22:42 masterofmonks Actifed was better.
22:42 astro73|mal my social problems class leaves only cynicism in place of hope.
22:43 Cprossu I asked my mom as a child if she wanted to be a junkie when I saw the ad the DEA put out when I was like 5 rofl
22:44 Cprossu more harm than good
22:44 tonsofpcs ?
22:44 Cprossu lol'
22:44 astro73|mal esp the pot. dear god!
22:44 tonsofpcs the "this is your brain on drugs" ones?
22:44 Cprossu lates
22:44 Cprossu no it was thesame era though
22:45 masterofmonks Should have flipped that egg over on top of a cheese burger.
22:45 masterofmonks If, you have never had a fried egg on a cheese burger... you just don't know what you are missing.
22:45 tonsofpcs mmmmm
22:46 tonsofpcs i wish we had a red robin here so i could go to a resstaurant and get one
22:46 masterofmonks Why not make one?
22:46 tonsofpcs right, I can do that.  I can't go to a restaurant and get one though.
22:46 tonsofpcs (well, not a decent one)
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22:53 wannabe1987 hi eadthem
22:53 wannabe1987 hi KB3NZQ
22:53 KB3NZQ hi
22:55 egrsteve|away good evenign all
22:55 wannabe1987 hi steve|away
22:57 astro73|mal good evening.
22:57 wannabe1987 DAMN ALLERGIES
23:00 eadthem hey
23:00 eadthem howed the projector go?
23:00 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell toastdude http://xkcd.com/965/
23:00 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when toastdude is around.
23:00 wannabe1987 thx BotSteve
23:00 BotSteve You're welcome, wannabe1987
23:00 egrsteve|away have not had time to look at it yet
23:01 eadthem i can relate to that
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23:06 tggmc CProssu stream computer is running updates, I will pass it to you soon, I hope
23:09 wannabe1987 mrow
23:15 astro73|mal *petpet*
23:15 tonsofpcs wheeeeeeee
23:15 tonsofpcs tggmc: yay!
23:15 * tonsofpcs just finished revoking some privileges
23:23 EntKitty :U
23:25 Cprossu sweet tggmc
23:27 Cprossu tggmc don't worry about too much .net framework being installed + up to date.
23:29 eadthem mmm .net beeing installed is something i would very much about ;p
23:55 wannabe1987 gonna go offline for a bit....

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