Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-11-04

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00:00 dbshortwave lol
00:00 Ponko :P
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00:01 Ponko flipping heck
00:04 * wannabe1987 gives this to every guy on here: http://www.instructables.com/id/Lads-How-to-deal-with-girls-on-the-internet/
00:18 masterofmonks *cough*
00:19 wannabe1987 hm?
00:20 * wannabe1987 gives water
00:21 tesla4d joined #thegeekgroup
00:21 wannabe1987 hi tesla4d
00:22 wannabe1987 "I want to try to ressurect him with nature"
00:22 wannabe1987 but instead, the earth swallowed him
00:23 Cheezmo I'm curious if TGG could use with about 350 ER802 8amp diodes for something, lol
00:23 wannabe1987 probably
00:24 wannabe1987 and i dont know what they are
00:24 SparkyProjects Cheezmo, if you know one use for them, then TGG will find 100 uses for them
00:24 Cheezmo had to rip apart a bulk lot of 220 small power supplies for scrap aluminum and the diodes came off with em so I'm trying to figure out if they're any use :P
00:25 wannabe1987 Sparky is right....
00:25 Noise_Marine anyone here good at audio power equations?
00:26 Cheezmo I've done some with audio power, thought I dunno if I'll be much help
00:26 Cheezmo much more attuned to aviation electrical wiring :P
00:26 wannabe1987 aviation?  BatSteve.....
00:26 Noise_Marine how do i find average power, peak voltage and p2p voltage ?
00:27 Noise_Marine voltage too
00:27 Cheezmo well peak voltage is root(2) of rms voltage, it's around 1.414
00:27 Cheezmo so 1Vrms = 1.414Vp
00:29 Cheezmo Vrms is used for the power calculation,  but I've little to no experience with average power
00:29 Noise_Marine thanks you just helped alot :D
00:29 Noise_Marine its .636xp
00:29 Seroster .c 5/(0.8*0.8)
00:29 BotSteve 7.8125
00:31 Noise_Marine thanks a bunch
00:31 Seroster That is the BMI of my cat, lol.
00:31 Cheezmo for average power, it might help to have a scope or DMM with an average function, hmmmm
00:31 Cheezmo lol Sero
00:31 Seroster Are you new here Cheezmo? =P
00:31 Noise_Marine this is all in head for a test lol
00:31 Seroster Havent seen ya before 0P
00:32 Cheezmo in here, yeah
00:32 Cheezmo bit of an electronics and tech geek, hailing from BC, Canada :)
00:33 Cheezmo bit too far from MI
00:33 Cheezmo lol
00:33 wannabe1987 yay canadians!
00:33 Cheezmo :D
00:33 Ponko wannabe1987 where is angy from?
00:34 wannabe1987 france
00:34 Cheezmo brb
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00:34 wannabe1987 kk
00:34 Ponko i sware he's from Canada
00:35 wannabe1987 no....he was doing school in canada for a bit
00:35 wannabe1987 but he is french
00:35 dbshortwave awesome
00:35 dbshortwave ...
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00:36 wannabe1987 whats awesome dbshortwave
00:36 dbshortwave my card should be here sat.
00:37 Cheezmo back~
00:37 wannabe1987 yay
00:37 wannabe1987 oooo
00:37 Cheezmo :P
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00:42 Isopropyl[Media] rawr
00:43 Ponko lol NeWtoz has a kicker ever recovered a fumble for a TD
00:44 Isopropyl[Media] Theres a computer simulation somewhere where that may of happened
00:44 Ponko well i mean in real life
00:44 Ponko and Mason Crosby just returned a fumbled kick off for the Packers against the Lions lol
00:44 Isopropyl[Media] well you didn't state that :P
00:45 Ponko lol i know
00:46 wannabe1987 Isopropyl[Media]!  hi :)
00:47 Isopropyl[Media] hey!
00:48 Ponko 5 mins gone and the Pack are 21-0 over the Lions
00:49 Isopropyl[Media] aww lions are sucking it up again
00:49 Ponko no my Packers are just relentless
00:50 Ponko and this IS a CPU simulation
00:50 Ponko 28-0 now
00:51 Isopropyl[Media] i call shenannigans! Over generous coding on the packers
00:51 Ponko nah not really
00:52 Ponko they do make it fair
00:52 Isopropyl[Media] I know
00:52 Ponko it's just the fact that i made a super team
00:52 Isopropyl[Media] Lions did good this year though
00:52 Ponko doing good you mean
00:53 Ponko 35-0
00:53 Isopropyl[Media] I'm not much of a sports guy, they still keeping up?
00:53 Ponko not really now
00:53 Ponko 6-2
00:53 Ponko green bay 7-0
00:53 Isopropyl[Media] eh
00:54 Isopropyl[Media] Ooh I'm #1 in IdleRPG
00:54 Ponko well the packers in my game have Bill Rizer me and about 15 others
00:55 Isopropyl[Media] ah
00:56 Ponko Arnold Schwarzenegger my 2 nephews Gabriel Logan from Syphon Filter
00:56 Ponko and the REAL reason why we're so indestructible is because of
00:56 Ponko BARRY BURTON
00:57 Ponko Jill Valentines male alter-ego
00:57 Ponko my brother
00:58 Ponko Rico Tubbs
00:58 Ponko Sonny Crockett
00:58 Ponko i'll stop lol
01:03 dbshortwave bed time pz
01:09 Seroster Cheezmo, sorry for late response, but canada isnt far from grandrapids
01:10 Cheezmo derp
01:10 Cheezmo BC, Canada is, though :P
01:10 Seroster I have no idea what part of canada bc is =P
01:10 Cheezmo West coast, lol
01:10 Seroster Ah. Well, not overly far xD
01:10 Seroster You can bike there without getting your feet wet, unlike some of us
01:11 wannabe1987 lol
01:11 wannabe1987 poor Seroster, he's from sweden
01:11 Cheezmo yeah, but I can't bike there without dying
01:11 wannabe1987 o?
01:12 masterofmonks Heh... do a barrel roll.
01:12 wannabe1987 lololol
01:12 Cheezmo Sweden, eh?
01:12 Cheezmo I own two Volvos P:
01:12 wannabe1987 why would you die? Cheezmo
01:12 Cheezmo it's over 2000mi
01:12 Cheezmo lol
01:12 wannabe1987 so?
01:13 wannabe1987 some people can do it :P Not i, but some can
01:13 Cheezmo I'm a smidge out of shape, and I'd have to pass the Rocky Mountains :S
01:13 wannabe1987 take your volvo here!
01:13 wannabe1987 my friend wants a volvo, another friend has a saab viggen
01:13 Isopropyl[Media] i could do it
01:13 Seroster Cheezmo, Pft, you kids are WEAK nowdays!
01:13 Cheezmo kids? lol
01:14 Cheezmo I've got a 1973 Volvo 142, and a 1987 245 wagon
01:14 Seroster Back in the day I had to bike 4000 miles to school EIGHT DAYS A WEEK.
01:14 wannabe1987 he wants a 240 wagon
01:14 Isopropyl[Media] UPHILL
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01:14 Seroster Isopropyl[Media], Uphill? No, UNDER WARER
01:14 Seroster Water*
01:14 Cheezmo I put a whole couch in my 240w agon last week <3
01:14 wannabe1987 lol
01:14 wannabe1987 my friend has a volvo, she fits her harp in it!
01:14 Seroster Cheezmo, Volvo, ugly as fuck, but great cars.
01:15 Cheezmo Seroster, beauty is in the eye of the beholder :P
01:15 Seroster My uncle moved a fridge, a sofa, a couple of chairs and five garbage bags of clothes in his 240w.
01:15 wannabe1987 mhm
01:15 Seroster Cheezmo, Well, the 240 IS ugly. There is no way to get around no matter how much you love it
01:15 Cheezmo my 142 is sexy though
01:16 Cheezmo nice big 5mph zero-damage bumpers <3
01:16 Seroster Hah
01:18 Seroster I want an old rusty 240, white, with a brown drivers side door, a hood latch concisting of a ziptie, backlights that are held in place by duct tape and mechanical air conditioning (holes in the floor) - That is the most awesome car EVER
01:23 Seroster Did I just kill chat while you go fantasize about that? =D
01:25 wannabe1987 no
01:25 wannabe1987 i didnt see it
01:25 wannabe1987 why do you want a rust bucket?
01:26 Seroster Because it is so much style over a worn out V240W
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01:26 Seroster Hello lem
01:26 LemPhone bleh, sweaty lemming
01:26 wannabe1987 ...
01:26 LemPhone quite a warm day here and I have been errranding
01:26 wannabe1987 ah
01:26 Seroster You wanna know something fun about your name, lem?
01:26 wannabe1987 where has been niobe?
01:27 LemPhone no idea wannabe
01:27 Seroster Lem is swedish for phallus. Now you know. =)
01:27 wannabe1987 ok
01:27 LemPhone lol
01:27 wannabe1987 haha
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01:27 wannabe1987 hi eadthem
01:27 wannabe1987 hows the middle of the country?
01:28 eadthem good
01:28 wannabe1987 good
01:29 wannabe1987 masterofmonks, the god of alcohol is on the field/plain of fire....something tells me its going out with a BANG
01:31 Toastdude Hi
01:31 wannabe1987 Toastdude
01:31 wannabe1987 hi
01:31 Toastdude Wannabe!
01:32 wannabe1987 :)
01:34 LemPhone eep, rapidly flattening battery, logging off
01:34 Ponko well this game is WAY out of hand
01:35 Ponko Packers 87 Lions 7
01:36 Ponko and it's STILL the 2nd 1/4
01:36 astro73|mal ... you're kidding
01:36 Ponko nope
01:36 astro73|mal i didn't think football went up to 87
01:37 Ponko well Northern Illinois beat Toledo 63-60
01:37 astro73|mal even my HS team, with opponents 3 times our size, only went up to 50
01:37 astro73|mal and our league had a mercy rule: If the difference in scores becomes to great, the clock doesn't stop between plays.
01:37 Ponko well this Green Bay team has me as QB
01:38 Ponko this the NFL though
01:38 Ponko well madden nfl 11
01:38 astro73|mal oh madden?
01:38 astro73|mal psh
01:38 Ponko yeah
01:39 Ponko well if it was real.........
01:39 Ponko i wouldn't be talking i'd be playing
01:46 Ponko wow 94-7
01:47 Ponko still got 2 1/4s left
01:51 wannabe1987 astro73|mal what is infect counters?   dnd
01:56 Sgt_Lemming home now
01:57 wannabe1987 yay
01:57 wannabe1987 healthy?
01:57 yNos Cprossu you around?
01:59 Ponko hmm
02:02 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987, it hasn't really changed in the last 120 minutes...
02:03 wannabe1987 o i didnt' remember/hear
02:03 wannabe1987 sorry
02:08 Ponko NeWtoz you wanna know the score
02:08 wannabe1987 tiem to pack up the computer!
02:08 wannabe1987 bye
02:09 Ponko cya kelly
02:09 masterofmonks wannabe1987: It appears to be a house rule adapted from magic.
02:14 Seroster Why do they call them wisdom teeth when they are so damn stupid?
02:15 yNos anyone have the opportunity to recover an as400 v4r4 QSECOPR passwd?
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02:18 Ponko who knows Seroster
02:18 Ponko a dentist might
02:18 Ponko also
02:18 Ponko .g why are they called wisdom teeth
02:18 BotSteve Ponko: http://www.oralsurgerycare.com/wisdomteeth.html
02:19 Ponko i bet that helps nothing
02:22 Sgt_Lemming http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7001004/engineering-and-toolmaking/cnc-engineering-tooling-brisbane <--- *JISM*
02:22 Hackbat Holy shit I'm tired
02:23 tlockley ditto
02:24 * Hackbat spent the last 6 hours making it where he can be lazy
02:25 * tlockley is bleeding code from the eyes
02:25 Hackbat ME TOO @_@
02:25 tlockley whatcha makin?
02:26 Hackbat I added a python Protocol to Windows
02:26 tlockley not totally sure what that does?
02:27 Hackbat so python:\\{path to pythonscript} opens up the script
02:27 tlockley ah
02:27 Hackbat so you can add it to bookmarks
02:27 Hackbat or webpages
02:27 Hackbat seems useless untill you know what I did the frist two hours doing
02:27 tlockley what is the end result?
02:28 Hackbat all in all?
02:28 Toastdude Hi
02:28 tlockley what was your primary goal in doing all that?
02:28 tlockley hey Toastdude
02:28 Hackbat the purpose was to make it simplier to get a file on to my kindle
02:28 tlockley ok, i remember reading that breifly above
02:29 tlockley so now you can like right click and post to kindle?
02:29 Hackbat no, not yey
02:29 Hackbat I'm working on that
02:29 Hackbat but I have a way of passing data to the command line from the web browser
02:29 Hackbat it's not as simple as I'd liek it to be
02:30 tlockley it nerver is
02:30 Hackbat right now I have to copy the url to the clipbaord
02:30 Hackbat then run the file wither with python:\\ or manually going to the script in windows
02:30 tlockley so the script strips the url from the clipboard?
02:31 Hackbat python:\\ just saved me the hassle of going to the desktop
02:31 Hackbat yeah, it's a dirty solution until I have python:\\ set up to send extra arguments
02:32 tlockley very cool
02:32 Hackbat and tiring
02:33 tlockley i bet
02:33 tlockley lots of regedit  assume
02:33 Hackbat yes but not as bad as you'd thing
02:34 Hackbat if I knew what i was doing when I went in it would of been one .reg file
02:34 tlockley ah
02:35 Hackbat what took the most time was the fact it does sent C:\filename
02:35 Ponko NeWtoz you here still>
02:35 * tlockley scratches head
02:35 Hackbat *Doesn't send
02:35 tlockley o
02:36 Hackbat it sends python:\\c:\filename
02:36 Hackbat so I have python.exe python:\\C:\filename on the command line
02:36 Hackbat Python did NOT like that at all
02:37 tlockley i bet not
02:37 tlockley how did you strip it out?
02:38 Toastdude Does anyone know if the lsb will be open around Christmas time??
02:38 Toastdude *lab
02:38 Hackbat I had to get help on that cause my code melted brain was trying to find a way to do it IN the registry value
02:39 tlockley o_O
02:39 Hackbat I had the fact pointed out to me I could pass the python:\\c:\filename thing to a batch file
02:39 Hackbat the use:
02:39 Ponko i know you're reading the log BatSteve
02:39 Toastdude Lol
02:40 Hackbat set var2=%var1:python:\\=%
02:41 Ponko BatSteve Lions @ Packers
02:41 Ponko final score Packers 132 Lions 20
02:41 Hackbat this is the actual bat file here
02:41 Hackbat set rawfilename=%1
02:41 Hackbat set filename=%rawfilename:python:\\=%
02:41 Hackbat %filename%
02:42 nazca_ question... how many iterations before I can say there is a realistic virtual certainty that a life board has entered a loop?
02:42 astro73 nazca_: that depends. life board?
02:42 Hackbat do you have a control group?
02:42 nazca_ conway :)
02:42 tlockley going to bed. gnight
02:43 Hackbat night!
02:43 Ponko BatSteve player of game QB #10 R.Poulton 42/53 583 yards  10 TDs
02:43 astro73 nazca_: depends on the size of the board
02:43 nazca_ 16x16
02:43 astro73 glider guns can have very long loops
02:44 nazca_ this is true... and with looped edges gliders themselves will keep going forever
02:44 astro73 one thing you could do is pick an arrangement every N counts and check if future ones match it
02:44 Ponko BatSteve RB #43 R.Douglas 35 carries 311 Yards 8.8 average yardage 5 TDs WR #19 D.Jones 15 receptions 244 yards 16.2 average yardage  4 TDs
02:44 Ponko yep monsterous
02:45 astro73 so that way you know if it's a loop
02:45 yNos this thing is a pita...
02:45 nazca_ I'm thinking of storing a set number of grids and comparing them, it's probably most efficient with limited processing power
02:45 yNos as/400e 9406-s10 for those wondering
02:46 astro73 nazca_: you should only need to store one. I figure refresh it every 16 iterations and compare it. You can have do a hash of it if you want.
02:46 astro73 ooph, let me try that again
02:46 astro73 1. Store a board every N iterations
02:47 astro73 2. Compare each iteration to the stored board. Use a hash for fast pre-comparison if you'd like.
02:48 Ponko time to head off
02:48 astro73 3. If they match, you have a loop
02:48 Ponko night all
02:48 Toastdude Night Ponko!
02:48 Ponko cya toasty
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02:48 nazca_ but what's a good value of N?
02:48 BatSteve randomize it
02:48 Toastdude BatSteve!
02:49 egrsteve 4
02:49 egrsteve morning all
02:49 Toastdude 'Ello egrsteve!
02:49 nazca_ egrsteve: based on?
02:50 astro73 nazca_: I would use 32, since that's twice the length of your board. A glider should repeat in that time frame
02:50 egrsteve http://xkcd.com/221/
02:50 astro73 nazca_: bigger is safer, but will take longer to detect loops
02:51 egrsteve hi toast
02:51 nazca_ egrsteve: good answer :p
02:51 astro73 (since it can take up to N for one of the loop frames to get stored
02:54 astro73 although there is merit to BatSteve's solution.
02:55 nazca_ bigger isn't actually safer if you only store 1 frame... it will only ever detect loops that have a cycle length equal to your sample interval
02:55 BatSteve exactly
02:55 BatSteve that's the reason for my suggestion
02:56 astro73 nazca_: no, you check every frame. Only store occasionally
02:56 astro73 so as long as N is bigger than your loop, you will detect it eventually
02:56 nazca_ ah, sorry, yes
02:56 * nazca_ slaps self
02:56 nazca_ it's late lol
02:57 astro73 but the problem is you need to figure out N. Some multiple of your board size (or diagonal) would be good?
02:59 astro73 it's not about the period so much, so just random variation is of limited utility. Increasing N with iterations might be useful, though
02:59 astro73 since most preset boards don't last that long anyway
03:02 astro73 BatSteve: should i slow down?
03:02 BatSteve Pardon?
03:02 BatSteve I'm only watching with half an eye
03:02 BatSteve Slow what down?
03:03 astro73 dev work on BotSteve
03:03 BatSteve hahahahhahaa screw that
03:03 BatSteve Work as much as you want
03:03 BatSteve I think it's awesome that people other than me are contributing
03:04 astro73 maybe you could prioritize bugs?
03:05 nazca_ from what I can see on wiki's list of constructs, 32 will catch most common oscillators
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03:05 astro73 I'm limiting myself to one pull request at a time. having to try and juggle multiple feature branches isn't worth the trouble
03:05 BatSteve mmm, I gotcha
03:05 BatSteve ok
03:05 BatSteve I'll see what I can do
03:06 BatSteve do you think just a priority tag would be enough?
03:07 astro73 rate them (1-3, 5, or 10), make milestones. You already have "Important". And I just fixed the one bug in there I can
03:08 astro73 Also, I would appreciate input on GH-79. I would like to be able to supplant SQLite completely.
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03:12 BatSteve looking
03:13 BatSteve ah
03:13 BatSteve right
03:13 nazca_ bleh! live stream still down?
03:13 astro73 BatSteve: but that's a long term thing.
03:14 BatSteve okay
03:14 BatSteve Will do
03:14 BatSteve (I miss when GitHub would let you prioritize bugs with drag-n-drop)
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03:15 astro73 yeah. It's not the most featureful bug manager
03:15 Seroster What the fuck
03:15 Seroster two year old smoking baby is going to rehab!
03:16 Seroster ...
03:16 Seroster Is that even nessecary?
03:16 Seroster 1, How the fuck did he start smoking?
03:16 Seroster 2, How could he continue smoking?
03:16 Seroster 3, How hard is it to cut his supply?
03:16 Seroster Bastard can barely walk, he got no money, he isnt tall enough to reach the counter in the tobacco shop
03:17 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_te6dLVeqa8&amp;feature=relmfu
03:17 Toastdude This is weird.. sometimes my Arduino works, sometimes it doesn't..
03:17 astro73 Seroster: kids are clever. Seen them try and go for cookies?
03:18 egrsteve night all
03:19 Seroster astro73o Yes. They are clever. But they aint fucking ninjas.
03:19 Seroster My gfs sisters son is two years old and wants cookies.
03:19 Seroster He is also about a meter tall
03:19 astro73 it's amazing what you can do with drawers
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03:19 Seroster And is not left alone for long periods of time, unless he is asleep. He is never ever alone in the kitchen.
03:20 Toastdude Hi Lee
03:20 astro73 just sayin'
03:20 Seroster There is a cabinet on top of the fridge.
03:20 Seroster The fridge is 2 meters tall.
03:20 lwq1996 hi
03:20 Seroster The closest height next to the fridge is the countertop, wich is 90cm.
03:20 lwq1996 i would hate to be on of the chinese people putting together my multi mete
03:21 lwq1996 its so freaking hard if you tear it all apart
03:21 Seroster He needs to get up, jump out, open the door and grab the cookie jar before falling to his death
03:21 Seroster lwq1996, After the first 200 you can do it while asleep.
03:21 lwq1996 lol
03:21 Seroster lwq1996, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fNrIg2pxd8
03:22 astro73 .title
03:22 BotSteve astro73: Card Packing In China - YouTube
03:24 lwq1996 lol at 57
03:25 Seroster Seriously, you get some speed after a while
03:25 astro73 true story. Ever worked in a factory?
03:25 lwq1996 lol
03:25 Seroster I was offered a job.
03:26 Seroster I denied, since I would fucking snap and burn the entire place down.
03:26 astro73 if you don't get speed, they'll fire you
03:26 Seroster Ofcourse they will
03:26 Seroster If you do a bad job you generally get fired
03:26 lwq1996 lol
03:27 Seroster If a fireman doesnt put out fires or doesnt get out of bed fast enough he's fired.  If an electrician takes a week to change a wall socket he's fired. If a cab driver only drives one customer a day he's fired.
03:27 Seroster the best way to get workers to work fast is to pay them per deck of cards
03:28 astro73 true that
03:28 astro73 (but it doesn't work for anything harder than that)
03:28 Seroster Well yes it does
03:28 Toastdude Can and will anyone help me with arduino programming??
03:29 Seroster If not in here try #electronics
03:29 lwq1996 is sasha here?
03:29 Obtuse what is your question toastdude?
03:29 astro73 Seroster: no, actually. There's been studies
03:29 Toastdude How can I make an increasing value in each loop?
03:29 lwq1996 toast...you have one and you dont know how to program?
03:30 Toastdude I only know the VERY basics.
03:30 Seroster astro73, Working as a repairman the dude I was an intern for got paid per job
03:30 Seroster The only problem was that he did a CRAPPY damn job and when I asked "erm... Is it supposed to look like that?" He got rid of my smartass. =P
03:30 lwq1996 lol toast
03:30 Obtuse heres a for loop...
03:30 Obtuse for (i=0; i < endValue; i++)
03:31 Obtuse it sets i to 0, loops until it gets to endvalue, and increments each time it loops
03:31 Toastdude Do I put that in the setup?
03:31 Seroster New captains blog out folks!
03:31 Seroster Ill have to leave and hit the hay tho
03:31 Obtuse no, put it in the other section
03:31 Toastdude the loop?
03:31 Obtuse setup is only for setting your pins
03:31 Obtuse im forgetting the format
03:32 Obtuse there's a setup() and what is the other function?
03:32 Obtuse loop()?
03:32 Toastdude Do I put exactly "i++"?
03:32 Toastdude void loop()
03:32 Seroster astro73, what I want to do is get an assignment like "Today you do A B and C. I don't give a damn how long it takes" - and I can finish in three hours, or six if being lazy
03:32 Toastdude and void setup()
03:32 Obtuse yes. i++ increments a variable
03:32 astro73|mal Seroster, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
03:32 Obtuse i+ means nothing
03:32 Toastdude Can you change how much it increments by?
03:33 Obtuse yes. you could do i = i+2
03:33 astro73|mal i += 2
03:33 Obtuse i++ is the same as i = i +1
03:33 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   Captain's Blog 11-3-11 Mail, Bad Electrical, and Woodshop http://youtu.be/cm4l7fWoJlI
03:33 Toastdude So you could do i = i + 0.1 ?
03:34 astro73|mal Toastdude, only if it's a float, not an int.
03:34 Obtuse not with an integer.
03:34 Toastdude Ok... so how do you make it a float?
03:34 astro73|mal declare it as a float?
03:34 astro73|mal or is this not really C?
03:34 Toastdude It's Java
03:34 Obtuse C has a float
03:35 Obtuse NO, its not java
03:35 Toastdude It isn't?
03:35 Seroster astro73, looks interesting, but itll have to wait to tomorrow. Cya mate =)
03:35 Obtuse nope, its called Wiring. Combination of a bunch of shit
03:35 Toastdude Oh, okay
03:35 Obtuse but its not java. you can't do objects
03:35 astro73|mal that syntax is from algol, iirc. it's used in tons of languages
03:35 Toastdude But how do you declare a float?
03:35 Obtuse so a float ... float i;
03:36 Obtuse put that on its own line
03:36 Obtuse you should probably call it something other than i if its a float
03:36 Obtuse perhaps f
03:36 astro73|mal i can mean index
03:36 astro73|mal although it's still incorrect
03:36 astro73|mal n or x might be better
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03:42 Toastdude Darn ting..
03:42 Toastdude *thing
03:42 Toastdude It says "'f' was not declared in this scope"
03:42 astro73|mal Toastdude, you don't do this much, do you?
03:43 Toastdude Nope...
03:43 Toastdude I'm learning.. VERY slowly.
03:43 astro73|mal well, when you rename a variable, you have to rename it everywhere.
03:43 astro73|mal including the declaration
03:44 Toastdude So I can't just put  delay(f) ?
03:44 Obtuse yup
03:44 Obtuse if you set f to a value first
03:44 Obtuse otherwise you will do nothing
03:44 Toastdude Can I paste the code I have in a PM, either of you?
03:45 astro73|mal i'm guessing this is one of those languages that is static: you have to declare and define the code in advance
03:45 astro73|mal use a pastebin
03:45 astro73|mal like paste2.com
03:45 Toastdude Oh wait... Github..
03:47 Toastdude https://gist.github.com/4889280cfc712c998b7e
03:47 Toastdude There
03:48 astro73|mal oh god
03:48 astro73|mal ok
03:48 astro73|mal first of all? indentation
03:48 astro73|mal second thing?
03:48 astro73|mal you need braces around the body of the for loop
03:48 astro73|mal third? you missed a semicolon
03:49 astro73|mal does that cover it all?
03:50 Toastdude https://gist.github.com/4889280cfc712c998b7e
03:52 nazca_ < Toastdude> How can I make an increasing value in each loop? <-- question as phrased, answer is global or static variable
03:52 astro73|mal ummm...
03:52 astro73|mal Toastdude, what do you think that program will do?
03:52 astro73|mal do me a favor and step through it
03:53 astro73|mal with your finger
03:53 Toastdude It says I need to declare 'endValue'
03:53 astro73|mal that too
03:53 astro73|mal you need to come up with one
03:53 Cheezmo If this was VisualBasic.NET, I'd be so much more useful here xP
03:54 Toastdude Instead of putting 'endValue' I put a number? Or 'endValue = 1000' ?
03:54 nazca_ interesting code ... techinally correct yet not useful :p
03:54 astro73|mal a number
03:54 Toastdude Okay
03:54 nazca_ (assuming you define endValue)
03:55 astro73|mal nazca_, i think it's his first time
03:55 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
03:55 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 1.78 hours ago at 2011-11-04 02:08:52 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:55:28 UTC
03:55 Toastdude It is... This is the most complex program I've ever made for the arduino
03:55 astro73|mal this is complex?
03:57 Toastdude It is to me. It's not universally complex, though
03:57 Toastdude ..
03:57 astro73|mal ok, for loop syntax is generally like this:
03:57 astro73|mal for (<initializer>; <check>; <increment>) { <body> }
03:58 nazca_ https://gist.github.com/6126cdf63932df6aab2f#comments
03:58 Toastdude Oh... Thank you
03:58 nazca_ ooh, missed a semicolon *fixed*
04:00 astro73|mal Toastdude, every function and variable must be declared and defined. Before you can use it, you have to say what it is
04:01 Toastdude Ok...
04:01 Toastdude It looks like it should work, but it isn't...
04:01 astro73|mal is it compiling at least?
04:03 Toastdude Yes
04:03 astro73|mal ok. what is it doing? and what are you expecting it to do?
04:05 Toastdude It's alternating at a constant speed, and I want it to start fast and alternate slower and slower each loop
04:06 astro73|mal what's the units on f?
04:07 Toastdude milliseconds
04:08 astro73|mal so 1000 is 1 second of time?
04:08 pegasus astro: C?
04:09 Toastdude Yes
04:09 astro73|mal pegasus, audrino sketches, close enough to C
04:09 pegasus for (once; second; fourth) { third; }
04:09 astro73|mal Toastdude, what's that constant speed?
04:09 astro73|mal pegasus, we're past that part, thanks
04:09 pegasus what you do in them is optional, but "second" is the "continue or not" function
04:09 Toastdude What constant speed
04:09 pegasus my point is that you don't have to do what the typical for loop purpose of those parts is
04:09 Toastdude ?
04:10 astro73|mal Toastdude, can you make any estimation how fast?
04:10 Toastdude How fast they will alternate?
04:10 astro73|mal how fast they are alternating
04:11 pegasus knowing what order they go in is far more useful than the typical for loop construct in most of my code these days
04:11 Toastdude Well, they'll start out at 500hz, then decrease frequency as each delay increases with each loop
04:12 astro73|mal pegasus, this is his first time. I'm not going to cover advanced for loop usage
04:12 astro73|mal Toastdude, i'm not asking about expected behavior. I want to know about observed behavior
04:12 Toastdude k, they'll start out really fast then decrease speed...
04:12 pegasus not even convinced that typical usage is best to teach a first timer, but that's a debate for another time
04:13 astro73|mal Toastdude, so it's behaving as expected?
04:13 Toastdude No, that's what I want it to do... It's blinking at .5hz
04:14 astro73|mal "<astro73|mal> Toastdude, i'm not asking about expected behavior. I want to know about observed behavior"
04:14 astro73|mal you are reading what i'm writing
04:14 Toastdude Yes, I'm just not thinking..
04:14 Toastdude I'm sorry.
04:15 pegasus ...i haven't seen any mention of a delay function/method
04:15 astro73|mal ok, word of advice?
04:15 astro73|mal pegasus, look at the code again
04:15 * pegasus pulls up a link, then
04:15 astro73|mal Toastdude, in CS, thinking is what we do.
04:16 astro73|mal try and keep that brain engaged
04:16 Toastdude Yes, I know......
04:16 Toastdude Sorry...
04:16 BatSteve astro: don't be ridiculous.  Thinking isn't necessary - if it compiles, ship it
04:17 pegasus heh
04:17 pegasus is there no integer variant of delay()
04:17 astro73|mal wait
04:17 astro73|mal delay() is in MS
04:17 astro73|mal why are you adding 0.1MS to something?
04:19 pegasus ...megaseconds
04:19 Cprossu lol
04:19 pegasus glad somebody else was thinking it
04:20 Cprossu .c 1megasecond to microsecond
04:20 BotSteve 1 000 000 000 000 microseconds
04:20 Cprossu hahahaha
04:20 Cprossu it worked
04:20 astro73|mal ok, does anyone else here actually know audrinos? i've never actually played with one..
04:20 Toastdude Because I want the frequency to change slowly... I thought you could have less than one millisecond since the clock speed could easily handle it...
04:21 Cprossu .c 1megasecond to days
04:21 BotSteve 11.5740741 days
04:21 pegasus i know that just about every FPU known to man is going to cause clock slew with that code
04:21 astro73|mal Toastdude, that's complicated. delay probably isn't written to handle it.
04:22 Toastdude Okay. So I'll just add 1.
04:22 astro73|mal pegasus, and we care why?
04:22 pegasus because he wants .5hz
04:22 pegasus not .50001hz
04:22 pegasus or .49999hz
04:22 astro73|mal pegasus, i don't think he cares that much right now, considering he can't get a basic loop working.
04:23 Toastdude Yes, If I just get it to work, then I'll worry about it doing exactly what I want later..
04:23 nazca_ delayMicroseconds()
04:23 nazca_ just fyi :)
04:25 astro73|mal Toastdude, you've got the right code. But embedded systems can be funny sometimes
04:25 nazca_ what's the code currently looking like?
04:26 Toastdude https://gist.github.com/76d7f7c9c0c862eac9a7
04:26 Toastdude That ^
04:27 sndwrx hey pegasus
04:27 pegasus ?
04:27 pegasus oh, hi
04:27 nazca_ and the problem is that you're not seeing it slow down?
04:28 Toastdude Yes
04:29 sndwrx how ya doin' pegasus ?
04:29 pegasus doing alright
04:30 nazca_ it starts at 500Hz and slows at 2ms per loop ... I suspect the change is likely too gradual to notice
04:31 nazca_ POV kicks in at like 30-40Hz doesn't it?
04:31 Toastdude Well I tried at a 5ms increase, and have been running it for a while, and still no change
04:32 nazca_ hmmm, it should hit .5Hz before resetting
04:33 nazca_ let me tweak the pins and feed in to my arduino
04:34 astro73|mal btw, at 1ms increments, you're looking at 8min before it wraps
04:34 astro73|mal *16min loop
04:35 Toastdude I put it up to 10
04:36 nazca_ interesting
04:36 astro73|mal that should run in <2min then
04:37 nazca_ oh ... I see the problem
04:37 nazca_ duh
04:37 Toastdude Bye BatSteve-Away !
04:37 astro73|mal oh?
04:37 nazca_ there's a semicolon on the end of the for construct
04:37 Toastdude What's the problem?
04:37 astro73|mal *headdesk*
04:37 pegasus nazca: depending on duty cycle, you'd notice it at 30hz
04:37 astro73|mal that would do it
04:38 astro73|mal congratulations, you've been indoctrinated into c
04:38 nazca_ see if you do "for (;;);" it will act as if you did "for (;;) {}"
04:38 Toastdude Wow... Thank you!
04:38 pegasus perfect example of the benefits of 1tbs
04:39 nazca_ as it happens, that was the semicolon I missed and went back to remove earlier ;)
04:39 astro73|mal Nazca, that's not the one you missed
04:39 astro73|mal you just thought it was
04:40 nazca_ nope, it's the one :p
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04:40 astro73|mal no, you missed the one after the variable
04:40 nazca_ no, really, it's the one I missed and fixed :p
04:41 astro73|mal w/e
04:42 nazca_ cause when I removed the braces from around the for loop and put them in the right place, I hit publish before noticing I hadn't removed the semicolon as well
04:43 astro73|mal anyways, does it work now?
04:43 nazca_ yes
04:44 nazca_ or at least my test of it worked :)
04:44 Toastdude Mine does too :) Thanks!
04:44 nazca_ yw
04:45 pegasus does f++ not work
04:45 astro73|mal pegasus, it works, let it go.
04:46 pegasus you know, i might have to scroll up, but i'm pretty sure that's the first time i asked about the increment operator in this not C language
04:46 astro73|mal pegasus, i'm pretty sure it's just C, or really close to it.
04:46 Cprossu .c 1terasecond to nanosecond
04:46 BotSteve 1.0 × 10^(21) nanoseconds
04:46 Cprossu night all
04:47 pegasus zetasecond.
04:47 astro73|mal yactosecond?
04:47 Cprossu .c 1yottasecond to nanosecond
04:47 BotSteve 1.0 × 10^(33) nanoseconds
04:48 astro73|mal that's kinda like yacto
04:48 pegasus .c 1 yottasecond to yoctoseconds
04:48 BotSteve 1.0 × 10^(48) yoctoseconds
04:48 Toastdude for (f=1000; f > 1; f=f/2)   Produces a kinda neat result
04:48 sndwrx What are you building Toastdude ?
04:49 Cprossu .c 1yottasecond to decades
04:49 BotSteve 3.16887646 × 10^(15) decades
04:49 Toastdude Just blinkinlights :)
04:49 sndwrx cool
04:49 Cprossu ^speaking of interesting results lol
04:49 Toastdude I'm learning for loops, though, which is kinda important....
04:50 Cprossu .c 1yottasecond to centuries
04:50 BotSteve 3.16887646 × 10^(14) centuries
04:50 yNos Cprossu: guess what i just did!!
04:50 Cprossu yNos: Shit a HC11 microcontroller?!
04:50 yNos nop
04:50 Cprossu damn
04:50 yNos that would hurt
04:50 Toastdude Lol
04:50 Cprossu at least they are small
04:50 Toastdude Hi yNos
04:51 yNos we now have an AS/400
04:51 Cprossu what era?
04:51 yNos twas donated yesterday
04:51 yNos late 90s
04:51 Cprossu so black not beige!
04:51 yNos yupyup!
04:51 yNos it is running v4r4m0
04:51 Cprossu do we have the draconian liscensing to go with it?
04:51 Cprossu and the tape backups?
04:51 yNos just bumbled through the password recovery proc
04:51 astro73|mal ... what are we going to do with an AS/400????
04:52 yNos we have one tape.
04:52 yNos one disk
04:52 yNos erp.. a couple OS disks
04:52 yNos and som lic papers
04:52 Cprossu what do we have to IPL the fucker
04:52 Cprossu or is it one of the 'small' ones?
04:52 yNos no install, yes on the IPL
04:53 yNos is a as/400e 9406-510
04:53 pegasus "what are we going to do with an AS/400?" = amulet of yendor, obviously.
04:53 Cprossu 9406 not bad
04:54 Cprossu 510 would be ppc.... not sure how many though
04:54 astro73|mal sorry, what little i've heard about the AS/400 from my dad, there's better ways to do databases
04:54 Cprossu depends on the AS/400
04:55 Toastdude Thanks for all your help!
04:55 Toastdude Time for sleep.
04:55 yNos it is a toy - not many places have an AS400 that anyone can walk in and bumble around in.
04:55 yNos fck
04:55 yNos its 1pm
04:55 yNos 1am
04:56 Cprossu eventually you'll get it right
04:56 astro73|mal nearly everything there is a "toy" by that definition
04:57 Cprossu yNos at one point tgg scrapped several of the older late 80's AS/400's
04:57 Cprossu I mean they took up like 1/2 of one of their labs
04:58 Cprossu years and years ago
04:58 yNos really?
04:58 yNos someone donated a plex?
04:58 Cprossu yeah if we look hard enough we might be able to find photos
04:58 pegasus Cprossu: are you working on the AS/400?
04:59 yNos i am
04:59 Cprossu hell no
04:59 pegasus yNos: will it run VM/CMS?
04:59 astro73|mal ok, goodnight
04:59 yNos have never worked on an as.. worked a little with zOS in my ops days...
04:59 yNos i sont know what it will run.
05:00 pegasus if it runs VM/CMS, you gotta put the PL/I version of colossal cave adventure on it
05:00 yNos am applying the PTCs now.
05:00 yNos i saw some PL/I docs that came with it..
05:00 pegasus circa 1978 textmode gaming ftw
05:01 yNos once we get it up and accounts created, we will likely setup a port forward to this beastie.
05:02 Cprossu I'll get out my WYSE terminal and my sportster 33.6 and we can do this proper
05:02 pegasus :D
05:02 Cprossu think it'll work over voip yNos?
05:02 Cprossu hahahahah
05:02 pegasus probably will
05:02 yNos http://dhart.no-ip.info/iseries/AS400%20Processor%20Summary_files/..%5C9406-510%20IBM%20AS400%20Advanced%20System%20Model%20510.htm
05:02 pegasus if you use u-law and drop no packets i know it will
05:03 Cprossu yeah I was just looking at that sucker
05:03 pegasus idk about speex though
05:03 Cprossu we need the options in the mainframe section
05:03 Cprossu 19.2 would eb fine pegasus
05:05 tonsofpcs 711? 722? 729?
05:05 yNos 711
05:05 tonsofpcs (what are we doing?)
05:05 pegasus counting badly
05:05 tonsofpcs g.
05:06 yNos oh
05:06 yNos i was craving a slurpee
05:06 tonsofpcs sure, bring me some taquitos?
05:06 pegasus then what you want is .636363...
05:07 tonsofpcs nearest 7-11 is just under 100 miles from my zip code...
05:07 Cprossu ouch.
05:07 yNos yay.. SNA >_<
05:07 Cprossu the speedway close to the lab has damn good icee/slurpee/things
05:08 pegasus -4 is totally different from .636363...
05:08 tonsofpcs nearest 7-11 to where I grew up? around the corner... nearest 7-11 to high school, where I bought way too many lunches for 1/3 the price of a school lunch?  about 6 houses down...
05:11 nazca_ < astro73|m> pegasus, i'm pretty sure it's just C, or really close to it. <-- it is C with a compressed standard library
05:11 tonsofpcs last 7-11 I was at?  Just east of Madison Square Park (23rd, east of Park)
05:11 nazca_ Cprossu: what's wrong with the stream this time?
05:11 pegasus compressed or abridged?
05:12 Cprossu nazca_: I never got the teamviewer login
05:12 nazca_ pegasus: depends on your definition of compressed... abridged would be accurate I think
05:12 Cprossu so that's what's wrong with it =P
05:12 pegasus fair enough
05:13 pegasus nazca: is delay() a native function of the language?
05:14 nazca_ I need to go back in to the hardware headers and find another port :/
05:14 nazca_ it is
05:14 pegasus is there no integer variant?
05:14 nazca_ um, it takes an unsigned long
05:15 * pegasus scrolls up to find the link and click it again
05:15 nazca_ http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/Delay
05:15 pegasus oic, he changed it
05:15 pegasus for a while there it was float f; delay(f)
05:15 pegasus and i was like "NOOOOOOO!!!!"
05:16 Cprossu so let me know what's up/new tomorrow yNos
05:17 pegasus good to know arduinos are saner than that.
05:17 nazca_ but yeah, I'm using all my arduino's analog pins so I have no handy random seed source
05:20 yNos so.. i cant change the IP while tcp is active?
05:20 Cprossu on the as/400?
05:20 yNos yeah
05:20 Cprossu I think you have to take the connection down to change it
05:20 yNos it wont let me de-config the address.
05:20 yNos yeah
05:20 Cprossu you'll need a serial in/out
05:20 Cprossu or twinax
05:21 yNos i have twinax term
05:21 Cprossu so you at the lab right now?
05:21 yNos yeah
05:21 yNos will need to whack the printer service too.
05:21 Cprossu hrmmmm
05:21 Cprossu that might be tricky
05:22 Cprossu is MC still unlocked?
05:22 yNos or at least de-config the printer that isnt there.
05:22 yNos nope
05:22 Cprossu shoot.
05:22 nazca_ oooh, I can use port A, that's consecutive
05:24 lwq1996 hia ynos
05:24 nazca_ ah, the eternal geek dilema... sleep or code
05:24 lwq1996 lol
05:27 Cprossu no dilema
05:27 Cprossu sleep and code.
05:27 Cprossu sleepcode
05:27 lwq1996 if i have code to do or sleep and i choose sleep...i always dream im coding
05:27 Cprossu HAHHAAHAHAH @ tgg official video
05:28 Cprossu for the tootsie pop
05:28 lwq1996 lol
05:28 Cprossu they didn't add in "it tastes like ass" to the end of it heh
05:28 lwq1996 lol ik
05:28 lwq1996 i wonder how he knows what ass tastes like :\
05:28 yNos dont ask
05:29 lwq1996 lol
05:30 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&amp;v=lJZqxOZOnKw#t=2545s
05:30 Cprossu heheheh
05:31 lwq1996 hey ynos...i could probally get two grab bags from makers shed too
05:33 yNos how are their prices?
05:33 lwq1996 20 per bag
05:33 Cprossu when I went to the makers faire in MI when I was there the prices were ~50% markup.
05:34 Cprossu though there were cheap goodies to be had
05:34 Cprossu just not in the makers shed store thing
05:34 lwq1996 1000 peices for 20 dollars
05:34 lwq1996 is that a good deal?
05:34 Cprossu depends on what the pieces were
05:35 lwq1996 a grab bag full of different components
05:36 lwq1996 http://www.makershed.com/product_p/jm135263.htm
05:37 Cprossu considering the 'sample' bag even has 5x5 led matrixes in it
05:37 Cprossu looks like it could pan out
05:38 lwq1996 cool
05:38 * Cprossu wonders
05:38 Cprossu google to the rescue!
05:38 lwq1996 lol
05:40 Cprossu http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_135263_-1
05:40 Cprossu ^ rebadging at it's best.
05:40 lwq1996 lol
05:42 lwq1996 someone needs to get this for the autopsy set
05:42 lwq1996 http://www.makershed.com/product_p/mkif2.htm
05:43 Cprossu nope
05:43 Cprossu he'd eat it
05:43 Cprossu in a day
05:43 Cprossu the bits aren't made well at all
05:43 lwq1996 lol...not if he actually took care of it
05:43 Cprossu HAAHHAAHAHAHA
05:43 Cprossu was that a joke?
05:43 * Cprossu is on the floor
05:44 Cprossu yNos would you help me up?
05:44 lwq1996 im using a cheap 1 dollar persision screw driver set from 2 years ago
05:44 lwq1996 lol
05:44 yNos just back
05:44 yNos nop
05:44 Cprossu read up a few lines heh
05:44 yNos lol
05:45 Cprossu looking at the jameco grab bag..... hrmmmmm... as far as it being worth $20, it is and it isn't.
05:46 Cprossu you should get $20 of use out of it, and if you were yNos you could probably build a fully functioning weather satellite out of the parts this video contained
05:47 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxKX13KIbbI
05:47 lwq1996 http://www.makershed.com/product_p/dsmb01.htm  RIP OFF
05:48 Cprossu rip off: http://www.makershed.com/product_p/mstin1.htm
05:49 lwq1996 LOL IK
05:49 Cprossu and it doesn't even come with mints!
05:50 lwq1996 lol
05:50 Cprossu but yeah there are about $20 of headers in that paticular bag.
05:51 lwq1996 i like what i see
05:52 Cprossu headers and molex connectors.... hrmmm
05:52 Cprossu perhaps I'll snag one if it ever goes on sale somewhere for $15
05:53 lwq1996 lol
05:53 yNos you should connect in to 173.13.12.254 with your fav tn5250/whatever client
05:53 yNos shit
05:54 Av_Nekoroms its nice and foggy outside..
05:55 yNos others get an account when we get it ready..
05:59 yNos hrm...
05:59 Cprossu yNos, neat
05:59 yNos tmux went to lunch
05:59 Cprossu hrmmm F24 on my keyboard isn't mapping correctly
05:59 yNos not sure what they left on there for us.
05:59 yNos lol
06:00 Cprossu Q & A database... =/
06:01 Cprossu OOOOH
06:01 Cprossu start a system/36 environment!
06:01 Cprossu I think P.O. musta migrated
06:01 Cprossu many many times
06:02 Cprossu oh nm office ain't installed
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06:04 Cprossu yNos I just made the system shit a brick I think at least on my acct
06:04 * Cprossu reconnects
06:08 Cprossu oh god.
06:08 Cprossu found the cobol compiler
06:08 yNos joined #thegeekgroup
06:08 yNos now to find out how to mount a cd
06:08 Cprossu hey I found the cobol compiler
06:08 Cprossu x_x
06:09 yNos now to find out how to mount a cd
06:09 Cprossu well diskette and tape I found
06:09 Cprossu lets see if anything obvious is under file systems
06:09 Cprossu granted I am messing around in system/36
06:10 Cprossu lets see F16,
06:10 yNos am going to insert 5769-QU1 AND OTHER PROGRAMS disk
06:11 yNos am doing user admin stuff
06:11 lwq1996 im gona go to bed
06:11 lwq1996 later
06:12 Cprossu well it has a help file that I am going to ignore
06:12 lwq1996 lol
06:13 Cprossu hrmmmmmm
06:13 lwq1996 damn....its 2:15
06:13 Cprossu storage resources, sounds interesting
06:13 lwq1996 ok bye guys...
06:13 lwq1996 left #thegeekgroup
06:13 Cprossu o_O
06:15 yNos joined #thegeekgroup
06:15 yNos better
06:15 Cprossu yNos interesting crap happening
06:16 yNos yeah?
06:16 Cprossu what's with your connection heh
06:16 yNos at home, or here?
06:16 Cprossu home
06:16 yNos tmux went to crap on me here.. at home.. not sure
06:17 yNos had to kill tmux and re-start
06:17 yNos what was the idlebot channel?
06:18 Cprossu the #tgg-bots channel?
06:18 yNos dont remember
06:20 Cprossu holy hell
06:20 Cprossu they were using 3179 terminals
06:21 Cprossu also a 3477, a 3277, 2 3196's, and a 5251
06:22 yNos yup
06:22 Cprossu are you connected on the 3196?
06:22 yNos yeah
06:22 yNos well
06:22 yNos 3596
06:22 Cprossu I also see a '3277' ready to use
06:22 yNos acting like a 3277
06:22 yNos i think
06:22 Cprossu ok because one is "In use by QSECOFR"
06:23 Cprossu I am acting as a 3270.. I think
06:24 Cprossu *3279
06:24 Cprossu -4-e
06:25 Cprossu although this program doesn't like my REAL terminal keyboard
06:27 Cprossu yNos: CD drive should be "OPT01"
06:27 Cprossu and it should automount
06:30 Cprossu yNos: what the hell is it doing?
06:30 yNos sitting there
06:30 yNos the light isnt on...
06:31 Cprossu I just made it unhappy with me o_o
06:31 yNos the cdrom light anyway,,
06:31 yNos oh?
06:31 yNos is there a reset on your term?
06:31 Cprossu yeah
06:31 yNos hit that
06:31 yNos welcome to ibm
06:31 Cprossu I recovered lol
06:33 Cprossu do we have a line printer we can stick on this?
06:33 Cprossu heh
06:33 yNos cant remember how to pgup/pgdn
06:33 yNos we have one..
06:33 yNos not sure where we are going to put it.
06:33 Cprossu in chris's office
06:33 yNos a lexmark
06:33 Cprossu duh!
06:33 yNos not sure what languages/compilers are in it.
06:33 Cprossu so I am going through the licenses
06:34 Cprossu here's what I think
06:34 Cprossu System 36-> migrated to older AS/400 migrated to newer AS/400
06:34 yNos we have an older black AS that came with it.
06:34 Cprossu by older I mean beige
06:34 yNos and a PC case with oddball hardware
06:34 yNos no kb jack
06:35 Cprossu get me some pics when you can
06:35 yNos looks AT
06:35 Cprossu is there a modular on it?
06:35 yNos modular?
06:35 Cprossu like a malformed RJ45
06:35 yNos not mini db15
06:35 yNos hmm
06:35 yNos not sure
06:35 Cprossu similar to what it looks like on the back of a modem M keyboard with detachable plug
06:35 yNos let me check..
06:36 * yNos is putting his shoes back on
06:36 Cprossu do you have the PA1 and PA2 keys on your keyboard?
06:38 Cprossu Roll Up and Roll Down are your page up/down yNos
06:39 yNos nope
06:39 yNos 2 db25
06:39 yNos 1 db15
06:39 yNos modem
06:39 Cprossu it got a ibm model # on it?
06:39 yNos nope.
06:40 Cprossu old IBM metal badge at least?
06:40 Cprossu or is it a diagnal blue/gery one?
06:40 yNos the PC?
06:40 Cprossu yeah
06:40 yNos the PC is generic beige case from early 90s
06:41 Cprossu so it's like something someone made in their basement to interface 2 generations of something then?
06:43 yNos yeah
06:43 yNos not sure what it is..
06:44 yNos odd it doesnt have hd-db15 for a monitor..
06:44 Cprossu pictures of it and it's insides would help
06:44 yNos maybe it needs a reminal?
06:44 yNos i dont have a camera here..
06:44 yNos otherwise i would
06:44 Cprossu any of your cell phones have cameras
06:44 Cprossu ?
06:44 yNos it does, but it isnt worth a shit
06:45 Cprossu still might be enough for me to figure out wtf is going on
06:46 yNos i think that will have to wait till tomorrow
06:46 Cprossu fair enough
06:46 yNos it will be 3:30ish before i get to bed if i leave now..
06:47 Cprossu lates
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06:48 yNos one more thing to check while i think about it...
06:48 yNos is there a grand rapids area AS/400 users group?
06:49 yNos looks like it :D
06:49 yNos http://iseries.homestead.com/home.html
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06:50 yNos missed their meeting.
06:51 Cprossu there were only 5 of them anyway (/joke)
06:53 yNos wouldnt surprise me
06:56 Cprossu they don't make it very easy (IBM that is) to keep those machines going software wise
06:57 yNos agreed
06:57 Cprossu many computer collectors have the same issues with softwares on their iron mainframes
06:58 Cprossu it's either 1) get ahold of long almost dead IBM engineer who has everything or 2) luck
07:08 yNos yup
07:09 yNos Ok
07:09 yNos i am going to pack itup
07:09 yNos later man
07:13 yNos angy has landed!
07:14 Cprossu yay
07:15 yNos ok, i leave now
07:15 yNos later all
07:15 angy i have
07:15 angy still one plane to go home though
07:15 angy night
07:18 angy and my experiment for port 81 works great :)
07:20 * angy plans next GRR trip
07:35 Hackbat @_@ I pretty much hace offically designed the python:\\ protocol for windows
07:35 Hackbat *have
07:41 punkjunkie w
07:42 angy that's an idea, what it is supposed to provide?
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08:28 Cprossu hahahahahahahhaha
08:28 Cprossu http://oi42.tinypic.com/p61qr.jpg
08:29 Cprossu http://oi39.tinypic.com/1hqb8p.jpg
09:03 Hackbat oh sorry
09:03 Hackbat was busy being tired
09:04 Hackbat angy, basicly it adds the abilty to run python scripts from html/javascript
09:05 Hackbat <a href="python:\\filepath\filename.py(arg1)argument1(/arg1)...(arg9)argument9(/arg9)">Click Me</a>
09:05 Hackbat would put a link to run the file
09:06 Hackbat it currently supports up to 9 arguments
09:06 Hackbat and has been sanitized from hell
09:06 Hackbat it's all run with a single batch file
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09:40 punkjunkie orry
09:42 punkjunkie So.......  Cprossu's links are what pass as humor around here?
09:45 Cprossu In this case maybe not.
09:46 Cprossu I just got bored and started recreating stomper in garrysmod.
09:47 angy and nearly at home
09:48 Cprossu kitty is on my bed and I am going snooze
09:48 Cprossu later all
09:52 Cprossu one more pic first I guess
09:52 Cprossu http://oi41.tinypic.com/2uy0wtc.jpg
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12:25 angy and now, I'm home!
12:27 Experimentonomen im home too, short workday :/
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12:57 angy long journey here
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13:02 lwq1996 hia
13:03 angy Hi lee
13:03 lwq1996 hey its angy
13:03 angy that's me
13:04 lwq1996 gah im bored
13:05 angy try doing a 22h journey, it's a new level of boredom
13:06 lwq1996 how did it turn out? did anything bad happen
13:06 angy there was a baby in the last plane, it's quite annoying
13:06 lwq1996 duct tape?
13:06 lwq1996 jk XD
13:07 angy and I now know that I won't ever again fly anything else than Air France on transatlantic flights
13:07 angy delta was not that great...
13:08 lwq1996 lol
13:08 angy ok, time to move, see ya!
13:09 lwq1996 ?
13:09 lwq1996 .seen botsteve
13:09 BotSteve I'm right here, actually.
13:09 lwq1996 .seen kyle
13:09 BotSteve He's about this tall?  Seen Kyle?
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13:21 egrsteve morning all
13:25 lwq1996 hi steve
13:26 lwq1996 oh god i got 5min before i gtg
13:26 angy .cookie egrsteve
13:26 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a pecan cookie!
13:26 lwq1996 ok i gtg....bye
13:26 angy bye lee
13:27 lwq1996 bye egrsteve
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13:28 LemPhone yay, finally going home
13:28 LemPhone and I don't have to leave the house for at least another 36 hours
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13:52 egrsteve bye lee
13:53 egrsteve hi jeff
13:59 egrsteve and now chat is dead
14:05 angy .skittles egrsteve
14:05 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I got you some lime green skittles!
14:29 egrsteve ya, design review presentations and me asking tricky questions
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14:43 Cprossu damn chat
14:43 Cprossu it likes dying
14:43 Ponko well i've just turned up
14:43 Ponko lol
14:43 Cprossu I was more looking at egrsteve's previous comment
14:44 Ponko ah ok
14:44 Ponko .log
14:44 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
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14:45 injektion I have ~15 minutes to kill
14:46 Cprossu sounds like fun
14:46 Cprossu I killed at least that much time building stomper in garrysmod
14:47 Experimentonomen a 2x22V 15A donut arrived
14:47 Cprossu http://oi41.tinypic.com/ncjmhl.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/p61qr.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/1hqb8p.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/2uy0wtc.jpg
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14:50 lwq1996 hi
14:50 lwq1996 hello
14:50 Cprossu howdy
14:50 lwq1996 .seen egrsteve
14:50 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw egrsteve 0.36 hours ago at 2011-11-04 14:29:15 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 14:50:58 UTC
14:51 lwq1996 hey its cprossu
14:51 Cprossu what if it wasn't though?
14:51 lwq1996 are you still at the lab....again...
14:51 Cprossu no
14:51 lwq1996 ah
14:51 Cprossu I've been home for days now
14:51 lwq1996 what if it wasnt though, what?
14:52 lwq1996 i havent noticed
14:52 lwq1996 ive been at school and did nothing else but sleep
14:54 injektion I bought Sonic Generations and I am waiting for it to download
14:55 lwq1996 lol
14:56 lwq1996 im bored
14:57 Experimentonomen g'day lwq1996
14:57 lwq1996 hia experimentonmen
14:57 injektion It's rare to even see a Sonic game released for PC
14:57 lwq1996 yup
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14:59 * lwq1996 jumps on seroster
14:59 lwq1996 HI
14:59 Seroster Uhhoooh
15:00 lwq1996 can of bug off would work too you know
15:00 lwq1996 :P
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15:20 Ponko hmm
15:21 Ponko LET MORTAL KOMBAT BEGIN
15:34 Ponko hmmm
15:50 Ponko .cookie
15:50 BotSteve Here you go, Ponko, I baked you a bacon cookie!
15:50 Ponko o_O
15:50 Ponko ok that's just weird
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15:57 * angy fondles all over Seroster
15:57 egrsteve yay BACON
15:58 dbshortwave thats something you dont walk in on every day lol
15:58 dbshortwave someone fondling seroster an then someone screaming out BACON!
15:58 dbshortwave lol
15:58 egrsteve well it happens here more often than it should
15:59 dbshortwave lol
16:00 egrsteve a lot happens here that umm is odd
16:03 angy nah, just from atoner world
16:03 angy atoner/another
16:11 dbshortwave lol
16:19 Ponko oh channel is alive i see
16:19 angy bacon power
16:19 Ponko POWER OF THE BACON
16:19 angy YAY!
16:19 astro73 THE POWER OF BACON COMPELSS YOU!
16:22 injektion Hmm
16:23 astro73 Anyone using Alice? https://github.com/leedo/alice
16:23 angy .cookie injektion
16:23 BotSteve Here you go, injektion, I baked you an oatmeal chocolate chip cookie!
16:24 angy that one was classical, that's sad
16:24 angy .cookie astro73
16:24 BotSteve Here you go, astro73, I baked you a peanut butter cookie!
16:24 injektion How destructive can sodium bisulfate be hmmm
16:24 * astro73 noms
16:25 angy .shake astro73
16:25 BotSteve Here you go, astro73, I made you a fresh egg nog shake!
16:25 angy don't get too drunk with that
16:25 astro73 it's a bit early for egg nog.
16:26 angy you should cross the pound ;)
16:26 astro73 .... what?
16:26 angy it's nearly 6pm
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16:27 astro73 oh, the pond.
16:27 angy yes, I crashed my aotucorect not that long ago
16:27 angy it messed up dictionary...
16:28 astro73 nice
16:28 astro73 should get that looked at
16:28 angy it's fun when it's the german dictionary that is picked up
16:29 astro73 aye!
16:29 * astro73 knows very little german
16:29 angy I'm going to fix that soon, I have to apply to unemployment....
16:30 astro73 oh good
16:30 angy I'll see :)
16:30 angy it's going to annoy me like hell though, I think I'm going to hate them
16:31 astro73 unemployment? probably
16:31 astro73 oh, and by "a bit early for egg nog", I meant "it's not even thanksgiving yet"
16:32 angy =)
16:32 angy and /no/ I won't get on another plane to have a american thanksgiving
16:32 angy not this year at least
16:32 astro73 you could always have it over there. People would just look at you funny
16:33 angy that could be super fun
16:33 astro73 you could celebrate getting rid of all those conservatives
16:35 angy I should get that up and try getting the family to do a thanksgiving
16:35 angy that could be so much fun
16:36 angy I'll send you an invitation :p
16:36 astro73 you can even watch the big game
16:36 astro73 w/e your current sport is
16:36 Cprossu hahahahahaha
16:36 * Cprossu gets to upload youtube video of first 'test fire'
16:37 astro73 Cprossu: remember how you wanted to find me an alternative to IRCCloud? I think I found it. https://github.com/leedo/alice
16:38 Cprossu neat
16:38 angy fork it in bob :p
16:38 angy Yay! it's perl based
16:39 astro73 i strongly dislike perl, but it's already written
16:39 Cprossu it could be worse
16:39 Cprossu it could be java
16:40 angy java is a thing... /just/ a thing
16:41 Cprossu as long as you include thing.class =P
16:42 angy it goes along with oom.kill and pain.arse
16:44 astro73 hmmm... unfortunately, I can't seem to figure out how to get alice to work?
16:44 angy punch her?
16:45 astro73 i mean this new webirc thing.
16:45 angy punch the web server?
16:45 Cprossu he wants to have a conversation with a chatbot =P (j/k that's A.L.I.C.E.)
16:46 astro73 :P
16:47 angy I may try to setup alice in a few, not really now because the only server I have access to currently is IIS7
16:47 Cprossu here's how I wasted my time this morning
16:47 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwZyEe7dSU
16:47 Cprossu ^ rofl
16:48 Zozo nice
16:49 astro73 you must have been bored
16:49 * angy got himself a wifi repeater
16:49 Cprossu worked out pretty well too
16:49 angy now just have to wait for fedex
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16:53 injektion How many ms of latency do wifi repeaters add?
16:53 angy I currently have no idea at all
16:53 angy not much I hope
16:54 angy I think between 5-20ms as a guess right now
16:54 injektion Ouch
16:55 angy I'll be able to get you a better answer next friday I think
16:56 angy currently my ping is 93ms with a jitter of 207ms because I'm at the limit of the AP range
16:56 angy and a few packet lost as well, so need repeater :p
16:57 astro73 oh! there we go. apparently I haven't completely got my permissions figured out yet.
16:58 angy that's a shame
16:59 injektion .tfw 30281
16:59 BotSteve 52°F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Stockbridge, GA!  'It could be worse.'
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16:59 injektion 30F above freezing
16:59 injektion still cold
16:59 angy that nick is sooo nsfw
17:00 astro73|alice :P
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17:01 astro73|alice ok, that works.
17:01 astro73|alice now i have to configure authentication and outbound ports
17:01 astro73|alice which has to get done at home
17:02 astro73|alice could use enhancements though
17:03 astro73|alice colored nicks, sort nicks by mode
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17:04 angy why do you use a web-based client ?
17:05 astro73|alice chromebook
17:06 astro73|alice oh, lol. this might work
17:06 angy that reminds me of my netbook that I need to mend a little
17:07 angy Yay! I shifted my position and doubled my transmission rate! I'm now at 2M instead on 1M!
17:07 angy or not
17:08 injektion I can only get 65MB/s on 802.11n on the laptop don't know if that is because of the wifi signal or the adapter in the laptop
17:08 angy I can, if I move closer to the AP
17:08 astro73 except i guess the router reboots when i save?
17:08 injektion I put the laptop in front of the wifi access point and I still get 65MB/s
17:09 astro73 which kinda kills the forwards
17:09 angy I'm like super far from the AP, if I move another meter away, it drops
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17:11 astro73|alice_ ok, that's better
17:11 dbshortwave bang pow boom
17:12 astro73|alice_ #!...
17:12 astro73|alice_ wait
17:12 astro73|alice_ !^
17:12 astro73|alice_ what's boom?
17:14 angy the shell sound when it bork?
17:15 astro73|alice_ it's kinda weird not having a backlog, though....
17:15 injektion http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2011/11/mcrib-sandwiches-contain-same-ingredient-as-yoga-mats-shoe-soles/
17:15 angy python it into the perl thing
17:17 astro73|alice_ angy: what?
17:17 angy write the backlog into it
17:17 dbshortwave beautiful doom ;D
17:18 astro73|alice_ it doesn't have a log yet, much less backlog :P
17:18 angy that is not helping
17:19 astro73|alice_ also, not nick completion
17:19 astro73|alice_ *sigh*
17:19 angy that is painful
17:19 astro73|alice_ i think?
17:19 astro73|alice_ bug tracker seems to indicate it is
17:20 astro73|alice_ but tab doesn't do it
17:20 angy just have to find the biding
17:20 angy like ^B,K-C, M:I
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17:25 angy welcome back dbshortwave
17:25 dbshortwave Ty
17:26 astro73|alice_ hm. also having trouble identifying
17:26 dbshortwave fkn winblows and the reboot nag screen
17:26 exor674 naaaaag!
17:26 dbshortwave yeah NAAAAAAG
17:27 dbshortwave mid typing though something and POP! WINDOWS REBOOT NAZI
17:27 astro73|alice_ also: alice has mobile support
17:28 * Experimentonomen plays some shitty halfloud music
17:28 dbshortwave http://ow.ly/i/kzdk
17:29 astro73|alice_ nice
17:29 Experimentonomen im gonna rewire the output stage on this amp
17:30 angy http://ibxa.net/tD6abi
17:30 angy :)
17:31 astro73|alice_ what of it?
17:35 astro73|alice_ .fortune
17:35 BotSteve UNIX enhancements aren't.
17:35 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by TheGeekGroup.  New videos:
17:35 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by TheGeekGroup.  New videos: Geek Group Halloween Computer Giveaway 2011 http://youtu.be/ZnLNLxV0mbw
17:42 astro73|alice_ also, i wish astro73|alice would timeout
17:45 egrsteve if it still has a server connection with no client to may not timeout
17:45 egrsteve use the ghosh command if it is registered
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17:46 astro73|alice_ i haven't registered it, though.
17:47 astro73|alice_ "fabulous pink zip ties. must be cory's"
17:50 * Experimentonomen is blastin some instant remedy
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18:25 Cprossu hey egrsteve what's up?
18:30 angy and I just inscribed myself to the unemployment, now time to go eat
18:31 Electricguy LIKE the halloween video! :D
18:31 Electricguy really awesome idea to give away computers! :P
18:31 injektion ^
18:35 injektion http://deadspin.com/5856237/the-stupid-moral-panic-over-mocking-tim-tebow-or-what-would-jesus-do-about-tebowing
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18:39 Zozo RUN! its druid!
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18:47 tonsofpcs anyone ever use an UPCOM IRD?
18:49 DruidicRifleman WHO's getting either an M2HB or an M1919 XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:49 * DruidicRifleman giggles maniacally and bounches up and down
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19:35 lwq1996 hi
19:37 astro73|alice_ hello
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19:39 astro73|alice_ .milkshake
19:39 astro73|alice_ .shake
19:39 BotSteve Here you go, astro73|alice_, I made you a red cherry shake!
19:45 astro73|alice_ .cookie
19:45 BotSteve Here you go, astro73|alice_, I baked you a banana walnut cookie!
19:45 astro73|alice_ banana walnut?
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19:49 lwq1996 http://www.makershed.com/Useless_Machine_Bundle_p/mksb023.htm
19:49 lwq1996 lol
19:50 dbshortwave so much for that
19:50 lwq1996 lol ik
19:54 astro73|alice_ i want one of those
19:54 lwq1996 lol
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19:54 mashpriborintorg Hello all
19:55 Experimentonomen g'day mash
19:55 lwq1996 i would love to be secretly in a sports bar with this when ponko is there http://www.makershed.com/product_p/mkce3.htm
19:55 mashpriborintorg wow it pissed me off you have to check this http://youtu.be/tCamx8vzyCw
20:10 dbshortwave lwq1996
20:10 dbshortwave they have a tube radio in there
20:11 dbshortwave looks like a single tube
20:11 lwq1996 ?
20:11 dbshortwave here
20:11 dbshortwave http://www.makershed.com/product_p/mkgk7.htm
20:11 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: how so?
20:13 mashpriborintorg until the end you can hardly guess what the final result will be, and it seems to be a very tricky technic
20:14 tonsofpcs they link instructions for a 3tube kit......
20:14 dbshortwave yeah
20:15 dbshortwave ill see if i can figure out... 'equivilent' matched tubes which I MAY have lol
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20:20 dbshortwave cause ..
20:20 dbshortwave it looks like... I DO
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20:23 lwq1996 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XX7D7Y0_rc&amp;feature=related
20:24 dbshortwave 5, 9volts?
20:25 dbshortwave i bet i can get away with useing..... an RC car pack lol with an inverter
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20:40 injektion I think I broke YouTube's mobile site http://goput.it/8nk.png
20:41 injektion Yes it didn't play the sander autopsy
20:41 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: for B+
20:42 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: the issue is getting the proper voltage at high enough current.  9Vs are great at current generation but not enough voltage
20:43 * dbshortwave nods
20:43 tonsofpcs http://www.techlib.com/electronics/B-battery.htm
20:43 dbshortwave i know that some tubes, depending on the tube you need alot of B+
20:43 dbshortwave others you can get away with 45VDC
20:43 dbshortwave just depends on the tube
20:44 tonsofpcs yup
20:44 tonsofpcs (and what you're doing with it)
20:44 dbshortwave if you just want to pick up signals thats fine
20:44 dbshortwave if not, get a coil
20:44 dbshortwave lol
20:45 dbshortwave and a genorator
20:45 dbshortwave i need to go play cook
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20:53 lwq1996 ok...shower then foot ball game
20:53 Toastdude Hi Lee
20:54 Cprossu so what's everyone up to?
20:55 Hackbat http://www.geekosystem.com/biggest-spider-web/
20:55 Hackbat Despite their highly scientific chucking, frogs and larger insects escaped the web unscathed.
20:56 Hackbat I want to be a scientist now
20:56 Cprossu damn
20:56 Cprossu just watched the thumper 2010 demo video
20:56 Toastdude Th 59 minute one?
20:56 Cprossu seems I haven't put any proper interlocks on my stomper gmod simulation lol
20:57 Cprossu did you see it already Toastdude?
20:57 Cprossu rofl
20:58 Toastdude Yeah, a bit ago. It's pretty epic: D
20:58 Hackbat I facepalmed to it
20:58 Toastdude That was introductory video to Thumper.. Before then, I had no idea what it was\
20:59 Seroster EY
20:59 Seroster BatSteve-Away
20:59 Seroster You bastard. Come here.
20:59 Cprossu technically I could even make it energy discharge
20:59 Cprossu but it would look more like a nuclear bomb going off
21:00 Cprossu plus bits of it would not survive
21:00 Seroster BotSteve: tell batsteve Ey. Get your bot into #TGG_NSFW - we really need something so we can .g that icelandic... Erm... Special museum you know. xD
21:00 BotSteve Seroster: I'll pass that on when batsteve is around.
21:02 Toastdude o.O
21:03 yNos Cprossu, we moved the AS to the other side of the room.. sorry if it dropped your connection.
21:03 Cprossu it's fine heh
21:04 Cprossu yNos I found other things to do with my boredom this morning
21:04 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwZyEe7dSU
21:04 Cprossu ^ like recreate stomper in garrysmod
21:04 yNos cant watch video right now
21:06 Toastdude Cprossu, that's awesome :D
21:06 Toastdude And btw.. Hi Cprossu and yNos
21:07 Cprossu I did the interlocks wrong Toastdude, but that's the video I was asking if you watched lol
21:07 Toastdude Oh, lol
21:07 Toastdude No, I hadn't seen that before..
21:07 Cprossu yeah just did that this morning
21:07 Toastdude It's pretty sweet :D
21:09 Cprossu http://oi41.tinypic.com/ncjmhl.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/p61qr.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/1hqb8p.jpg
21:09 Cprossu @ Toastdude for more lulz
21:11 Toastdude You should show this to them..
21:11 Cprossu it's on the forums heh
21:11 Cprossu that's good enough for me
21:16 astro73|mal ok, i think i've got enough nicks here.
21:18 * Experimentonomen steals Cprossu's mfm harddrives and spins them up on his 1kW sensorled BLDC driver
21:18 Experimentonomen sensored*
21:18 DruidicRifleman BotSteve: tell batsteve Maybe add a .tgg for TGG related rooms like NSFW
21:18 BotSteve DruidicRifleman: I'll pass that on when batsteve is around.
21:18 Cprossu Experimentonomen you can do that to the one I left at tgg
21:18 Cprossu it's heads are already damaged
21:19 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfAhPmAoYQA :P
21:20 * Cprossu wants to make a blendHDTec blender
21:21 lwq1996 bye,football game
21:22 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Cx1eTP_8w <-- another motor
21:23 yNos time to go
21:23 yNos later all
21:23 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6dHVt40PrU&amp;feature=related <- some people really get bored
21:24 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAShh6ztBhc <-- 5V motor in atleast 10x the voltage :P
21:24 astro73|mal .title
21:24 BotSteve astro73|mal: Overreving a motor - YouTube
21:25 Toastdude Bye yNos
21:27 Toastdude .tfw 04101
21:27 BotSteve 44°F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Portland, ME!  'I've seen better days'
21:27 Toastdude Ok..
21:27 Toastdude .weather 04101
21:27 BotSteve LFXI: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
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21:31 Cprossu .tfw 85021
21:31 BotSteve 83°F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Phoenix, AZ!  'Time to crank the AC.'
21:31 Cprossu lies it's cold out there!
21:32 Toastdude .tfw 61548
21:32 BotSteve 55°F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Metamora, IL!  'OH NO. THE WEATHER MACHINE IS BROKEN.'
21:33 punkjunkie .tfw 83647
21:33 BotSteve 35°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Mountain Home, ID!  'Really?'
21:33 dbshortwave .tfw 13346
21:33 BotSteve 42°F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Hamilton, NY!  'At least you aren't living in a small town in Alaska'
21:33 punkjunkie D:
21:33 dbshortwave close enough
21:33 punkjunkie .tfw anchorage, ak
21:34 BotSteve 29°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Anchorage, AK!  'Nothing a few shots couldn't fix'
21:34 punkjunkie didn't think it was going to be much colder there.
21:34 punkjunkie I lived there for three years.
21:34 punkjunkie .tfw fairbanks, ak
21:34 BotSteve 24°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Fairbanks, AK!  'I'm sorry.'
21:34 * punkjunkie nods.
21:34 Experimentonomen .tfw sweden
21:34 BotSteve 46°F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Stockholm, SW!  'Everything's nice butter weather!'
21:35 Experimentonomen except i dont live in stockholm, stupid bot :P
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21:35 Experimentonomen g'day sparky
21:37 SparkyProjects Hi :)
21:37 SparkyProjects Been here all day but having a problem with internet keeps dropping out, i think it's the line filter, gonna get another if i can't find a spare here
21:38 SparkyProjects ..
21:39 Seroster Elloh sparkie
21:39 Seroster .tfwc sweden
21:39 BotSteve 7°C?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Stockholm, SW!  'At least you aren't living in a small town in Alaska'
21:39 SparkyProjects hi
21:42 Toastdude Hi SparkyProjects
21:42 SparkyProjects hi
21:43 * angy hugs Toastdude
21:43 Toastdude Angy!
21:43 * Toastdude hugs angy
21:45 Experimentonomen ok i've ben up for long enuf, nite peepz
21:45 Toastdude Night Experimentonomen
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21:50 Cheezmo derp
21:50 wannabe1987 herp derp?
21:50 Cheezmo hurro
21:50 Cheezmo I miss any big funsies?
21:50 wannabe1987 dunno, just arrived :D
21:50 Cheezmo well fancy that, so did I
21:51 wannabe1987 ik i saw
21:51 Cheezmo We are SO on the same page <3
21:51 Cheezmo herp
21:52 Toastdude o.O
21:52 Toastdude Hi Cheezmo
21:52 Toastdude Wannabe!
21:52 Cheezmo hai :3
21:52 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
21:52 Cheezmo Cheezmo!
21:52 Toastdude :D
21:52 * Toastdude hugs Kelly
21:53 * wannabe1987 was hugged by Toastdude :D
21:53 wannabe1987 hi Cheezmo :)
21:53 Toastdude :D
21:53 Toastdude No return hug, though? ;)
21:53 wannabe1987 yeah, i hugged you when you hugged me....did you not feel it?
21:54 Toastdude Yes, I did.. :P
21:54 wannabe1987 o ok
21:55 Cheezmo I'm curious, what does Chris go by in here? o:
21:55 Toastdude CaptainBoden
21:55 Cheezmo that works
21:56 Cheezmo I tend to go by CaptainCheezmo, but it's a bit long for IRC :P
21:56 Toastdude :P
21:57 wannabe1987 we already ave two captains....
21:57 wannabe1987 CaptainNiobe
21:57 wannabe1987 and boden
21:57 Cheezmo lol
21:57 Cheezmo I need to get someone from TGG to send me a penny on PayPal so I can print a shipping label to send some stuff down there... I only have cash for shipping in PayPal xD
21:57 * wannabe1987 woke up around 2:15 this afternoon :D
21:58 Cheezmo and it's not the friendliest to ship without a payment received
21:59 Cheezmo I've got a few hundred medium-power diodes to send down that way
21:59 Cheezmo well, low-power if you consider the thumper, these are only 8A :P
22:01 wannabe1987 .wiki NOAA
22:01 BotSteve "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), pronounced /ˈno(ʊ).ə/, like 'noah', is a scientific agency within the United States Department of Commerce focused on the conditions of the oceans and the atmosphere." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA
22:04 dbshortwave >.>
22:05 wannabe1987 hi dbshortwave
22:06 Toastdude Cheezmo: That was you with the comment on youtube?
22:06 Toastdude Hi db
22:06 Cheezmo beep, yeah
22:06 * wannabe1987 is so behind on capt'ns blogs....
22:06 Cheezmo I noted my IRC username, but that comment is still pending :P
22:07 dbshortwave Hi wannabe
22:09 Toastdude I need to sharpen my pocket knife...
22:09 wannabe1987 ...
22:09 Toastdude I REALLY need a multitool...
22:09 angy Toastdude: use Seroster's teeth
22:09 angy it's a sharpening tool and a multitool at the same time
22:10 Seroster WAT
22:10 Toastdude How would you know that they're sharp? :P
22:10 wannabe1987 ...
22:10 dbshortwave lmao yeah he looks like he can gnaw though a steel wall
22:11 dbshortwave XD
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22:13 wannabe1987 hi zozo
22:15 masterofmonks Ok, seriously, this is getting crazy.
22:15 wannabe1987 ??
22:15 Toastdude What??
22:15 dbshortwave ?.?
22:15 wannabe1987 are we being too loud in here mOM?
22:17 masterofmonks So, I come home and there is a puppy trying to get into my yard.
22:18 dbshortwave WANTS THE WACOM!!!!!
22:18 dbshortwave x.x
22:18 wannabe1987 ....
22:18 wannabe1987 puppy!!!!!!!!!!
22:19 masterofmonks Want it?
22:19 Cheezmo Looks like my diode count is around 250
22:19 masterofmonks It comes with a free bag of food.
22:19 Cheezmo +/- 2
22:20 wannabe1987 no...i can't afford a puppy :(
22:20 wannabe1987 but i'd love something to snuggle with at night
22:20 wannabe1987 fucking COLD in that room/garage
22:20 Cheezmo The Wacom is nice, though I'm pretty sure it can be fixed easily... It's a common problem of bad wiring strain relief
22:20 dbshortwave yeah the wacom tablet's are nice i may get one one day
22:20 Cheezmo seen it in a bunch of wacoms and actually fixed a couple
22:21 masterofmonks wannabe1987: do you have a sleeping bag?
22:21 Cheezmo I have myself a Wacom Bamboo
22:21 wannabe1987 its a kids sleeping bag...mine is in jenison somewhere, unless its been gotten rid of
22:21 wannabe1987 i had a mummy sleeping bag
22:21 masterofmonks Do you have access to an electrical outlet?
22:22 wannabe1987 i have a heated blanket but it "costs too much to run" so i can't plug it in
22:22 wannabe1987 ...
22:22 masterofmonks Ah, nixes that plan.
22:22 wannabe1987 yeah
22:22 wannabe1987 idk how much it *actually* uses....
22:22 dbshortwave i have an LCD in with a wacom digitizer
22:23 dbshortwave but thats all it is
22:24 dbshortwave it came from a dead tablet PC
22:25 Cheezmo oh lord, I don't think I can afford to send these diodes quite yet xD
22:26 Cheezmo running around 460 grams without packaging and insulators
22:26 Cheezmo over 500g is $120 :x
22:26 Cheezmo $12**
22:27 dbshortwave ouch
22:28 Cheezmo yeah, Canada Post can be a rip
22:28 dbshortwave cheeper to walk it acrost
22:29 dbshortwave damn im stupid in my spelling tonight
22:29 Cheezmo I'm 1.5 hours drive from a USPS office :S
22:29 wannabe1987 lol
22:29 dbshortwave that or im out of "give-o-shit"
22:29 Cheezmo I think it's like 90% of Canadians are within 150km of the US or something
22:30 wannabe1987 lol
22:30 wannabe1987 you near washington then
22:30 Cheezmo sure am...
22:31 Cheezmo Kelowna, BC
22:31 Cheezmo closer to Omak, WA than I am to Vancouver
22:31 wannabe1987 nice
22:31 Cheezmo Omak is a fun day-trip for shopping :)
22:32 Cheezmo Dollar Tree <3
22:32 wannabe1987 i love the dollar tree
22:32 wannabe1987 i just can't afford to get there :P
22:33 Cheezmo heh
22:34 Cheezmo I'm going to pack along a copy of Superman for N64 in my package
22:35 exor674 I hate compiling shit that doesn't work when I use -j8 FEH
22:35 Cheezmo hopefully it can be thumper or fried is some way or another :D
22:35 injektion I like blink 182's new album there is something wrong with me
22:35 exor674 I have 8 cores, LET ME USE THEM
22:35 Cheezmo I only have 6 :(
22:35 Cheezmo I should really get Windows 7 working and start running renders
22:36 Cheezmo I'm putzing along with Windows XP so I can only use 3.5GB of my 8
22:36 wannabe1987 altho, i got $20, so maybe we can get to meijer and dollar tree later this month
22:37 Cheezmo heh
22:37 Cheezmo need more than $20 to get what you want at Dollar Tree
22:37 Cheezmo we bloody well filled a cart the last time we were there xD
22:37 wannabe1987 lol
22:37 wannabe1987 ik but i need the 20 to GET there :P
22:37 Cheezmo haha
22:38 Cheezmo gas money?
22:38 wannabe1987 yessir!
22:38 masterofmonks The problem I have with Dolalr Tree, (Full disclosure my housemate works there) is that generally you end up paying more than you would at say walmart.
22:38 masterofmonks Also generally their quality is... lacking.
22:39 Cheezmo well, for some things they have a one-up
22:39 Cheezmo I found the MidWest dollar trees have better deals
22:39 Cheezmo like 3 Litre sodas for a dollar
22:39 wannabe1987 yeah. but my hairbrush from them lasted 3-4 years.  and i can get cards for .50/each.  and the alum foil and plastic wrap and such are good
22:39 masterofmonks Oh, ours has that too.
22:39 wannabe1987 yes those are awesome
22:39 wannabe1987 frozen veggies for a buck?  yes please!
22:39 masterofmonks But I think that soda tastes like crap.
22:40 wannabe1987 2.49$ soups (at meijer or wally world) for a buck?  yes please!
22:40 Cprossu damn I don't need any dvd burners today
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22:41 Cheezmo well, I suppose it's a matter of taste in the soda department
22:41 Cprossu I like the various dollar stores for random shit.
22:42 Cprossu like LED flashlights that come with a superbright blue/red flashing LED
22:42 Cprossu or lighted USB cables that didn't sell well
22:43 Cprossu though I did once score about 10 50' cat5e network cables once
22:43 Cprossu I generally make my own but at $1 a pop I couldn't argue
22:44 Cheezmo I buy all my electronic knick-knacks directly off eBay from China
22:44 MoxieMike there is no argument at that price
22:44 Cheezmo I got this great bright LED flashlight with white, UV and a laser pointer in-one for like $4
22:44 wannabe1987 i got black electrical tape from dollar tree, 2/1 and it works well
22:45 Cprossu I have like 6 of those Cheezmo
22:45 masterofmonks Argh
22:45 masterofmonks http://hothardware.com/News/Commodore-USA-Puts-C64x-Extreme-On-Sale/
22:45 Cprossu don't like the batteries they came with though
22:45 masterofmonks Why do I want one of these?
22:45 Cheezmo most of my tape I yoinked form old jobs :P
22:45 Cprossu masterofmonks: because you don't want to tear apart a perfectly good c64 to make your own
22:45 Cprossu yikes @ $1500 though
22:45 masterofmonks There is something strangely sexy about the thing.
22:46 Cheezmo That's a nice computer there
22:46 Cprossu and it's not the cheap piece of shit chinese card reader they stuck in the side
22:46 Cheezmo though it's a bit bulky for my keyboard tray, lol
22:46 Cprossu and spilling your beer in it would make you cry
22:46 Cprossu even moreso than when I spill beer into my model M
22:46 astro73|alice_ masterofmonks: because it's awesome?
22:46 Cheezmo they likely worked that into the design, I'd assume
22:46 Cprossu (it's happened before)
22:47 masterofmonks Well nothing stops you from using a USB keyboard and mouse...
22:47 Cheezmo It's nice that they have PS/2 connectors, since that's all I use P:
22:47 masterofmonks Though it would be sad to let that nice cherry switch keyboard go to waste.
22:48 Cheezmo I like my old Mitsumi keyboard... I prefer the large ENTER keys and small BACKSPACE
22:48 Cprossu no one makes a keyboard with the cherry blue switches =(
22:49 masterofmonks Cheezmo: the L shaped enter key?
22:49 Cheezmo love it :)
22:49 Cheezmo http://www.shopeio.com/inventory/images/KFKEA4XT.jpg
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22:50 Cheezmo mine is a KFK-EA4XA though
22:50 masterofmonks My opinon, is that if every L shaped enter key keyboard were dropped into the nearest black hole with all of hte people that love them... I probably wouldn't feel bad about it.
22:50 Cheezmo don't think there's a difference
22:51 Cheezmo I think the most of it is that I'm much too used to it, since this is my first keyboard still, and I'd hate to get used to something new
22:51 Cprossu http://oi55.tinypic.com/2m4p24m.jpg
22:51 * Cheezmo hates change
22:51 Cprossu ^ this is my current keyboard
22:51 Cheezmo a noisy one :D
22:51 Cprossu indeed.
22:52 Cheezmo your directional buttons are odd, lol
22:52 Cprossu and the escape key is where it belongs too.
22:52 Cheezmo wait, where is it?
22:52 Cprossu check out a original ibm AT keyboard for quick answer
22:53 injektion Someone needs to clean off their desk
22:53 Cprossu it's even worse now
22:53 Cheezmo lol, time for a snow shovel treatment on the desk
22:54 Cprossu at least my keyboard is clean
22:54 Cheezmo I need to wash mine again...
22:54 injektion That's a nice IBM terminal keyboard :P
22:54 Cheezmo pull all the keys off and take the top off and hand scrub the crap out of it all
22:55 masterofmonks This is my keyboard. http://www.quickship.com/images/cyborg-v.5-keyboard---wired-pic1.jpg
22:55 Cprossu injektion: it's actually from an IPL computer
22:55 Cprossu not many exist
22:55 injektion masterofmonks, I have a steel series keyboard
22:56 Cprossu as in the pc that sits next to the mainframe and connects to it via twinax
22:56 Cprossu http://lowendmac.com/thomas/09tt/model-f/005.jpg
22:56 Cprossu ^ this is the original AT keyboard
22:56 Cprossu (though someone put a at-ps/2 adap on it)
22:56 Cheezmo I'd love to get a luxeed... http://whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Luxeed-U5-Dynamic-Pixel-LED-Keyboard.jpg
22:56 masterofmonks I was a big fan of Logitech keyboards, but any more...
22:56 Cprossu I have one of those masterofmonks... it melted in my car one day
22:57 Cprossu I loved logitech keyboards
22:57 Cprossu then I killed 5 in the span of 6 months
22:57 masterofmonks Cprossu: Yes, but you live ont he surface of the sun.
22:57 Cprossu true true
22:57 Cprossu anyway I killed 5 and needed to do a report
22:57 Cprossu so I grabbed the first keyboard I ever owned
22:57 Cprossu (IBM model F)
22:57 Cprossu and a AT/PS/2 adap
22:58 Cprossu and wondered why I ever used anything else
22:58 masterofmonks The first keyboard I ever owned belonged to a Kaypro.
22:58 Cprossu thus began me buying up all the model M's from the thrift shops years ago
22:58 Cprossu I have a shit ton now
22:58 Cprossu good to go and for parts
22:58 Cheezmo I've been trying to find some replacement mitsumi keys for mine :(
22:59 Cprossu I've even sealed 2 of them ready to go after cleaning
22:59 masterofmonks Did you do an USB conversion.
22:59 Cheezmo my left arrow had molten solder hit it :/
22:59 masterofmonks ?
22:59 Cprossu (who says the foodsaver has to save food?)
22:59 Cprossu masterofmonks: his keycap/keycaps are fucked
23:00 Cprossu if I read that right
23:00 Cprossu I've had molten solder hit this thing... it doesn't do anything to it
23:00 Cheezmo nice
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23:01 Cprossu and the worst keyboard I got from an auto shop
23:01 Cprossu all blackened to hell
23:01 Cheezmo well, it's only a minor mar on the key that I need to touch to actually notice, but I'm a bit OCD there
23:01 Cheezmo :P
23:01 Cprossu still came perfectly clean
23:01 Cprossu hell this one that I am typing on used to be at American Express
23:02 Cprossu and was repaired professionally at least twice
23:02 Cheezmo gotta love us with our top of the line computers, and old keyboards
23:02 Cprossu (and once by me to fix the last repair guy's shotty work)
23:02 Cprossu the new keyboards suck ass
23:02 Cheezmo I know :(
23:02 Cheezmo they don't feel right
23:03 Cprossu though you can buy 'good' ones from unicomp now
23:03 Cheezmo maybe one day I'll train myself to use Dvorak too
23:03 Cprossu and das keyboard has mechanical switches now
23:03 Cprossu dvorak is for the birds imo
23:03 Cheezmo mine has rubber nipples on membrane for switches :V
23:03 Cprossu I gave it a shot and was unhappy
23:03 Obtuse dvorak would be great it you learned on it
23:04 Cprossu didn't really improve my comfort or typing and it made my right hand cramp
23:04 Cheezmo well, I've heard Dvorak can speed up typing a lot, since qwerty was meant to slow down typing to stop typewriters from jamming
23:04 Cprossu Cheezmo: wrong
23:04 Cheezmo nu?
23:04 Cprossu nope
23:04 Cprossu common misconception
23:04 Obtuse i'm too god damn lazy to spend the effort to learn dvorak
23:04 Cprossu it wasn't meant to slow down typing, it was meant to move the typefaces away from eachother
23:04 Cheezmo Obtuse: that's my reasons too
23:04 Cprossu because of how typerwriters work
23:04 Obtuse plus, half the time my thoughts are the thing keeping the words from being entered quickly
23:05 Obtuse not my typing
23:05 * wannabe1987 helps her 10 year old sister with homework via google docs....
23:05 wannabe1987 SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY!
23:05 Cprossu remember all the typefaces in a traditional typerwriter have to go to the same space
23:05 tonsofpcs huh?
23:05 Cprossu that means if you put 2 commonly used letters together it'll jam easier
23:05 masterofmonks The problem is plain to see, too much technology, machines to save our lives, machiens to humanize.
23:05 Cheezmo I rmember back in boyscouts, we did an IRC jamboree thing, and we had a voice call with some Aussie, and there was a 7-second delay
23:05 Cprossu I learned how to type on a underwood manual typerwriter
23:05 masterofmonks I love old type writers.
23:06 tonsofpcs I learned how to type on a keyboard
23:06 Cprossu http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/UncleDearest/Vintage_1923_Fisher_Underwood_No_5_Manual_Typewriter.jpg
23:06 masterofmonks Then again, I am a fan of steampunk.
23:06 tonsofpcs what the keyboard is attached to doesn't matter quite as much
23:06 Cprossu my model was around the same year
23:06 Cprossu anyway point being is because all the levers were mechanical
23:06 dbshortwave o.o
23:07 Cprossu the only way to avoid two frequently used hammers from striking eachother
23:07 Obtuse I want a commodore 64 for a keyboard
23:07 Cprossu was to physically move them
23:07 Cprossu QWERTY did not _slow down typing_ at all, nor was it supposed to
23:07 Cheezmo I have some 1950's aircraft radios I need to tinker with one day and see if I can get em running...
23:07 Cheezmo so many tuuuubes
23:07 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: we had someone in the office asking for a typewriter last week.  I told her that I had one at home if she didn't have one.  I got a reply "why do you have one?"... i kinda wanted to reply "why don't you?"
23:07 Cheezmo haha
23:07 dbshortwave lol
23:07 masterofmonks tonsofpcs: Exactly.
23:08 Cprossu rofl.
23:08 tonsofpcs err, if she didn't find one
23:08 masterofmonks It's like sewing machines...
23:08 Cprossu anyway underwoods and royal typerwriters taught me how to abuse keyboards
23:08 Cprossu thus my love for IBM model M's
23:08 masterofmonks If I could find an old singer treadle machine I would be in heaven
23:08 Cprossu which were built to transition people from typerwriters to computers
23:09 tonsofpcs not exactly
23:09 Cprossu well the Model F's were anyway
23:09 Cprossu and the wheelwriter's keyboard too
23:09 Cprossu as opposed to IBM selectrics which had a hair trigger on their keys
23:09 tonsofpcs they built selectrics, they then built a stand-alone selectric keyboard that evolved into the PC keyboard...
23:10 tonsofpcs not all selectrics were 'quiet touch' or whatever they called them
23:10 Cprossu no the selectric has a VERY different feel to it tonsofpcs
23:10 Cprossu all of mine are
23:10 Cprossu including the earliest model I've got
23:11 Cprossu you can literally shred paper with that one
23:11 Cheezmo If you want an awkward keyboard, go get a $1500 Optimus... They look great with animated keys and all, but the keys are huge and have like no resistance :P
23:12 Cprossu lol I'd just get one of those shitty dell/compaq keyboards that use the laptop keys
23:12 Cprossu those fucking suck
23:12 Cheezmo lol
23:12 Cheezmo I hate laptop keys, especially for multi-tapping
23:12 Cprossu when you pound your fist into it after a night of getting keys wrong
23:12 Cprossu 20 of them pop off
23:13 Cheezmo and we all know laptop keys... they rarely go back on right
23:13 Cprossu I do like the OLD ibm laptop keyboards
23:13 Cprossu they felt pretty nice
23:13 Cprossu I can get em back on right
23:13 Cprossu doesn't mean I want to
23:13 Ponko right back
23:14 Cprossu http://www.mkraus.homepage.t-online.de/museum/geraetekarten/laptops/ibm/l40sx/IBM%20Portable%20Museum-Dateien/8543-scale.gif
23:14 Cprossu ^ best laptop keyboard I ever used
23:14 Cprossu was on that sucker
23:15 Cheezmo lol nice
23:15 Cheezmo er, the big or small?
23:15 Cprossu big
23:15 Cprossu the white IBM ps/2 clamshell
23:15 Cprossu (386 with a 387 math co I might add)
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23:15 Cheezmo ohoho
23:16 Cprossu I debate every time I dig it out
23:16 Cprossu on what to do to make that keyboard 'portable'
23:16 Cheezmo http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/pc/h/t2200sx.jpg
23:17 Cprossu IBM type 8543 for anyone wondering
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23:17 Cheezmo I had 4 of these suckers a long time ago... I really should have held onto them :(
23:17 dbshortwave least 1
23:18 Cheezmo they worked great, and I was able to play DOS Tetris on em
23:18 dbshortwave sweet
23:18 Cheezmo ended up doing autopsies for curiosity on the lot :/
23:19 Cprossu you know it's been a while since I last booted my 286 desktop
23:19 Cprossu every time I boot it up a new thing is wrong with it
23:20 Cheezmo lol
23:20 Cheezmo Adventure time?
23:21 Cprossu do you have any idea how hard it is to find another 20MB conner IDE 3.5" hard drive for an example?
23:21 Cheezmo o.o
23:21 Cheezmo likely a bugger
23:21 Hackbat gah
23:21 dbshortwave lol
23:21 Hackbat they're pulling the stitches out of a cat's leg downstairs
23:21 dbshortwave i have 3
23:21 dbshortwave wait
23:21 Cprossu was gonna say
23:21 dbshortwave 200mb i has
23:21 Cprossu bios won't handle over 40 =P
23:22 Cheezmo I was cleaning out a crack house once and found an old Commodore computer, but I wasn't allowed to take it, but I managed to smuggle out an old Seagate 12MB HDD out of it
23:22 Cheezmo 5.25" too
23:22 Cprossu hrmmm you sure about that?
23:22 dbshortwave hol crap
23:22 Cprossu full height or half?
23:22 Cheezmo half
23:22 Cprossu then it wasn't 12
23:22 Cheezmo I had a full-height a long time ago
23:22 Cheezmo pretty sure it was
23:23 Cheezmo lemme try and find it again
23:23 Cprossu afaik if it was 5.25 and seagate and HH your minimum was 20
23:23 Cprossu MFM though right?
23:23 Cheezmo may have been 20 then...
23:23 Cprossu 20 or 25 is my bet
23:23 Cprossu does ST-225 ring a bell?
23:24 Cprossu great hdd.
23:24 Cprossu did it have a little blue cover over the spindle bearing?
23:24 Cheezmo Pretty sure it was the ST-251, because I found it on display at the Smithsonian :D
23:24 dbshortwave ive got a bigfoot in the basement somewhere
23:24 Cprossu 251 is a great drive heh
23:24 Cprossu 41-42mb you know
23:24 dbshortwave 5.25
23:24 dbshortwave 6.3gb
23:25 Cprossu I have a 2.5
23:25 Cprossu bigfoot
23:25 Cprossu those are noisy, slow, and ... they suck at reliablility
23:25 Cheezmo http://202.28.94.51/users/apisak/322162/YearEduc2551/UpLoad%20%20FILES2551/Content%20322%20162/CH03%20%20Computer%20%20Systems/162CH03_Evolution/computer%20evolution.html
23:25 Cprossu because of factory contamination during production
23:25 Cheezmo the Seagate is down in Gen 4 that I found, but the pics aren't loading :/
23:26 Cprossu here have fun Cheezmo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0huAoKUzGg
23:26 astro73|alice_ hm. GRDevDay features an unfortunate amount of microsoft
23:26 dbshortwave i really wanted one of the hard drive that require a forklift to move
23:26 Cprossu dbshortwave everyone does
23:26 dbshortwave lol
23:26 Cprossu I want one of the ones that uses nitrogen to move the heads around
23:27 dbshortwave put a sign on it "steel that data bitch"....
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23:28 Cheezmo My old science teacher has a platter stack from like a 1MB drive, with platters the size of LP records
23:28 dbshortwave lol cool as hell huh
23:28 Cprossu I have a platter stack myself
23:28 Cprossu 7 or so platters
23:28 Cprossu ~335mb
23:28 Cprossu and they are the size of...
23:28 Cheezmo nice
23:28 Cprossu uh...
23:28 Cprossu BIG
23:28 Cheezmo haha
23:28 dbshortwave LOL
23:28 Cprossu the drive they fit was the size of a washing machine
23:29 Cprossu (top load too)
23:29 Cheezmo On the topic of big, I have a nice colelction of Laserdiscs ;D
23:29 Cprossu I bet I have more than you
23:29 Cheezmo likely
23:29 Cheezmo lol
23:29 Cprossu I hate keeping my players working
23:29 Cheezmo do you have Metropolis, or the Godfather collector's box-set? :P
23:29 Cprossu should have never given up my magnavox
23:29 Cheezmo I think mine's a Magnavox
23:29 Cprossu I sold the gofather collection
23:29 Cprossu I hate the movies!
23:29 Cprossu so boring!
23:30 Cheezmo lol
23:30 dbshortwave http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-10SR-14-Hard-Drive-Vintage-/110656496264?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item19c3a42288
23:30 Cprossu I do have 3 different copies of Aliens including a CAV one that spans like 6 or 7 discs
23:30 Cheezmo oh man
23:30 Cheezmo I want to get a copy of Evil Dead 2, purely for the blood-red disc
23:31 Cprossu O_O blood red disc?!
23:31 Cprossu (brb)
23:31 Cheezmo yeah, lol
23:31 Hackbat no Cprossu the initials are brd
23:31 Seroster I have 21 MOTs.
23:31 Seroster =D
23:31 Cheezmo would cost almost as the copy of Metropolis I bought
23:32 Cheezmo $75
23:32 Cheezmo after shipping
23:32 Cheezmo 1985 remaster on LD
23:32 Cheezmo great movie
23:32 Cprossu my evil dead 2 disc is not blood red, it's laserdisc color.
23:32 Cheezmo might be a collector's edition
23:33 Cprossu anything on discovision I avoid
23:33 Cprossu fucking bit rot
23:33 Seroster SparkyProjects, My mots convert 230v to 2100v
23:33 Cheezmo http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVIL-DEAD-2-DEAD-DAWN-LD-SUPER-MEGA-RARE-BLOOD-RED-EDITION-WS-HORROR-ELITE-/110769041637?pt=US_Laserdisc&amp;hash=item19ca5970e5
23:33 Seroster Almost a factor of 10
23:33 Cprossu or in this case analo-rot
23:34 Seroster So... If I feed a mot with 2100volts I should get more or less 20kv out, assuming the isolation doesnt explode?
23:34 Cheezmo Cprossu: a better view http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhi8xkOoGE1qa71spo1_500.jpg
23:34 * wannabe1987 is done helping w/ school work
23:34 wannabe1987 now watching wipeout :D
23:36 Cprossu rofl
23:36 Cprossu I have a criterian halloween
23:36 Cheezmo wut
23:36 Cprossu John Carpenter, Halloween
23:36 Cprossu Criterian
23:36 Cprossu (criterion
23:36 astro73|alice_ ... is sharepoint a big deal?
23:37 dbshortwave 1.2gb?
23:37 dbshortwave http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-1-2-GB-Internal-3600-RPM-SCSI-ST41200NV-Vintage-Hard-Drive-939004-002-/310346785103?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item48421c214f
23:37 Cprossu I have one of those floaring around
23:38 Cprossu http://www.ebay.com/itm/CDC-94171-327-Imprimis-300MB-SCSI-5-25-HDD-/150684992014?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item231586820e
23:38 Cprossu ^ also have one of these
23:38 Cheezmo oh, the heatsinks
23:38 wannabe1987 i don't know if the mic on my computer works...anyway to test it?
23:38 dbshortwave that is amazing
23:38 Cprossu and a couple of these http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Seagate-Elite-9-10-8-GB-Internal-5400-RPM-5-25-ST410800N-Hard-Drive-/69755121?_dmpt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;_pcategid=168062&amp;_pcatid=401&amp;_refkw=9gb+seagate+5.25&amp;_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5708&amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
23:38 Cheezmo wannabe1987: sound recorder
23:39 Cheezmo or Skype sound test
23:39 wannabe1987 is there one built in?
23:39 wannabe1987 no skype
23:39 wannabe1987 i finally deleted itr
23:39 dbshortwave holy crap
23:39 dbshortwave lol
23:39 Cheezmo Start > Programs > Accesories > Entertainment
23:39 tonsofpcs start > run > sndrec32
23:40 tonsofpcs or on 64 bit systems, sndrec
23:40 Cheezmo or that
23:40 Cprossu tonsofpcs: unless you are running XP 64
23:40 dbshortwave i wouldnt mind playing with an amiga...
23:40 dbshortwave lol
23:40 Cprossu then it's sndrec32
23:40 Cprossu lol
23:40 wannabe1987 hell no, not touching the "run" screen :P
23:40 Cprossu I have an amiga 2000
23:40 wannabe1987 i'll fuck something up :P
23:41 Cprossu but
23:41 Cprossu it needs serious help
23:41 wannabe1987 found sound recorder
23:41 Cprossu PO let the nicad dribble out
23:41 wannabe1987 will use next time i'm in a quiet place :P
23:41 wannabe1987 my sis was trying to chat me tonight
23:41 dbshortwave i had to double read what she typed up there twice ...
23:41 wannabe1987 but couldn't hear me
23:41 dbshortwave damn my mind is gone
23:41 wannabe1987 but i could hear her
23:42 dbshortwave x.x
23:42 tonsofpcs Cprossu: how serious?
23:42 tonsofpcs note: my A4000 needs _SERIOUS_ help.
23:42 Cheezmo wannabe1987, make sure to set the right output source too
23:42 Cheezmo if there is an option
23:42 wannabe1987 huh?
23:42 tonsofpcs like, it draws a rainbow on boot and reboots itself
23:42 tonsofpcs file > properties
23:42 Cprossu tonsofpcs: black screen serious
23:42 wannabe1987 all i see is start and help :P
23:43 tonsofpcs Cprossu: doesn't color flash on boot?
23:43 Cprossu doesn't do shit on boot
23:43 tonsofpcs do you have a kickstart rom in it?
23:43 tonsofpcs *grabs an a2000 out of the closet so he's looking at the right thing*
23:43 Cprossu you're gonna make me dig it out aren't you
23:43 dbshortwave LOL i have one of these
23:43 dbshortwave http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-2-TI-99-4A-computer-systems-original-boxes-more-vintage-TI-99-TI99-/180749278431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item2a157f1cdf
23:45 Cprossu dear god
23:45 Cprossu I forgot how many traces were around that battery
23:45 Cprossu it's right next to the freaking proc
23:46 Cheezmo oi vey
23:46 tonsofpcs so theres 2 screws lefft and 2 screws right
23:47 Cprossu no
23:47 tonsofpcs 7 vertical card slotss, recessed, 2 vertical slots not, fan, power inlet, power switch, 1 vertical slot?
23:47 Cprossu wait yeah
23:47 Cprossu no
23:47 Cprossu let me find my board online
23:47 tonsofpcs i'm looking at the case
23:47 tonsofpcs i'm not inside yet
23:48 Cprossu A/W 312723 Rev 6
23:48 Cprossu if that helps
23:48 tonsofpcs # of floppy drives?
23:48 Cprossu 2
23:49 tonsofpcs hmm... am I missing a case screw?
23:49 Cprossu the board also appears mofified from what I can tell
23:50 Cprossu http://images.esellerpro.com/2131/I/551/70/312723REV6%20001.jpg
23:50 Cprossu this is the closest I've found
23:50 Cprossu the difference in mine is a daughterboard upside down
23:50 tonsofpcs i'm still trying to get the case off
23:50 Cprossu to the left of the chip with the green sticker on it
23:51 Cprossu (no green sticker on mine)
23:52 Cprossu cpu installed is a mc6800P8, 47th week of 1988
23:52 tonsofpcs does the front cover have to come off to take the case open?
23:52 Cheezmo Cprossu: not enough socket chips
23:52 dbshortwave i had a few of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DEC-PC100-A-Rainbow-100-Micro-Computer-Vintage-/110655548341?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item19c395abb5
23:53 tonsofpcs found it
23:53 tonsofpcs missed a rear screw
23:53 tonsofpcs do you have any cards in the system?
23:53 Cprossu yeah
23:54 Cprossu mem expansion\
23:54 Cprossu I thinkl
23:54 Cheezmo My one microprosessor instructor used to do computer repair back in the day... his main troubleshooting on socket IC mainboards was to put it on the floor and push down on all the ICs...
23:54 Cheezmo One day a client wanted to watch him troubleshoot... they were shocked :P
23:54 tonsofpcs where can i text or direct email a picture? (or bbm?)
23:54 Cprossu 8mb ram board, not fully populated
23:55 Cprossu from your phone?
23:55 tonsofpcs ya
23:56 Cprossu my phone sucks at pics
23:56 tonsofpcs email addy that you get quickly?
23:56 Cprossu but cprossu at gmail.com is fine
23:56 egrsteve hello
23:57 Cprossu hey egrsteve
23:57 Cprossu what's new?
23:57 Cheezmo eloo egrsteve
23:57 tonsofpcs is it one of these? (see pic)
23:57 tonsofpcs hi steve
23:57 egrsteve cprossu you still need stream system access?
23:57 * Cprossu awaits tonsofpcs amiga filled email yay it's here
23:57 Cprossu yeah
23:57 egrsteve hang on
23:58 Cprossu exactly the same board tonsofpcs from what I see
23:58 Cprossu mine has a few more labels on chips
23:58 Cprossu but it looks the same
23:58 egrsteve I just rebooted the stream computer
23:58 tonsofpcs ok, so it's essentially an A2500
23:58 Seroster My compressor just vomited on me
23:59 tonsofpcs (that board is an upgrade board, I also have an A2500 with a true commodore board, that's the only diff between a 2000 and a 2500)
23:59 egrsteve and it still doesn't want ot connect to the server
23:59 Cheezmo Seroster: forget to drain the condensation?
23:59 Seroster Nah
23:59 Seroster I drained the condensation
23:59 Seroster That's the puke. xD
23:59 Cheezmo ah, that was my second choice :P
23:59 tonsofpcs Cprossu: does either floppy make noise or light when you apply power?

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