Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-12-05

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00:00 dbshortwave they are showing them on TV land
00:00 sndwrx Oh yeah?
00:00 dbshortwave yeah
00:00 sndwrx I used to watch things like Car 54 Where Are You?  and Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in on there.
00:01 sndwrx I think it was TV Land.  Or was it called Nick at Nite, then?
00:01 dbshortwave back then yeah
00:04 dbshortwave they have a whole new channel just for nick at night .. infact they still have nick at night they just dont play those shows
00:05 GuardianZozo WANNABE!
00:05 GuardianZozo yo
00:05 wannabe1987 dessert?  sndwrx whats for dessert?
00:05 wannabe1987 hi zozo :D
00:06 Seroster Night folks
00:06 wannabe1987 night old man :P
00:06 GuardianZozo later
00:06 Seroster You are older than me grandma
00:06 wannabe1987 ik
00:07 Seroster For some odd reason I just got a craving for raisins.
00:07 Seroster I fart in your general direction =)
00:08 wannabe1987 so i have a recipe idea...i just need my muffin tins from GR :P
00:10 masterofmonks wannabe1987: tell us about it.
00:11 wannabe1987 well, from this AM we have left over nerds (not the human kind) so i'm going to take some of them (1/2) and mix them in with the cupcakes and the other half mixed in with the frosting (vanilla).  nerdy cupcakes w/ nerdy frosting :D
00:11 wannabe1987 this is what i do in church O.o
00:12 Toastdude Wannabe!!
00:12 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
00:12 wannabe1987 !!!*
00:12 Toastdude :D
00:14 sndwrx wannabe1987: I don't have anything for dessert, but if you'd like to donate a couple cupcakes, you're more than welcome.  ;)
00:14 dbshortwave i guess no game night tonight -.-
00:15 wannabe1987 i haven't made the cupcakes yet....but when i do i'll let you have some
00:15 sndwrx ha
00:15 tonsofpcs mmm, cupcakes
00:16 tonsofpcs what color/flavor nerds?
00:16 wannabe1987 pink/purple
00:16 dbshortwave canibles
00:16 tonsofpcs mmm, pure sugar :D
00:17 dbshortwave nerds eating nerds
00:17 dbshortwave irony or caniblisem
00:17 wannabe1987 lol
00:17 dbshortwave lol
00:17 sndwrx Geeks eating nerds--It's just the natural food chain.
00:17 dbshortwave lol
00:17 wannabe1987 :D
00:18 KB3NZQ System Memory: Free: 1.82 GB; Used: 1.18 GB; Total: 3.00 GB; — [❙❙❙❙❙|❙❙❙❙❙❙❙]
00:18 KB3NZQ System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch Core 2 Duo) • CPU: Intel Core 2 T7600 (2 Cores) @ 2.33 GHz • L2: 4.19 MB • Memory: 3.00 GB • Uptime: 2 Days • Disk Space: Total: 749.81 GB; Free: 206.14 GB • Graphics: ATI Radeon X1600 • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 • Load: 125% • OS: Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Build 10K549) (32-bit kernel)
00:18 masterofmonks My recipe is better.
00:18 masterofmonks Blueberry pancakes with pecans.
00:18 Toastdude Ooh
00:19 wannabe1987 i don't like blueberries :shame:
00:20 Toastdude I don't either.. lol
00:20 masterofmonks Well you're no fun.
00:21 * Toastdude needs a microwave emitter..
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00:21 masterofmonks Toastdude: I am sure you have a microwave oven that you have no idea why it stopped working...
00:21 Toastdude Not anymore... :(
00:21 wannabe1987 lwq1996 :D
00:21 wannabe1987 i know masterofmonks, i'm sorry.  i can provide cookies tho!
00:22 Toastdude It was a while ago.. When I didn't know about tgg :P
00:22 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: Blueberries ftw.
00:22 Toastdude Cookies!
00:22 lwq1996 me slaps his computer
00:22 wannabe1987 .cookie Toastdude
00:22 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I baked you a Moravian spice cookie!
00:22 Toastdude :D
00:22 Toastdude Danke
00:22 masterofmonks Toastdude: Do you have a working microwave?
00:22 Toastdude Yep
00:23 Toastdude But that's radio wave
00:23 masterofmonks Toastdude: Yes....
00:23 Toastdude Not 3cm ish, I don't think
00:23 Toastdude I meant it's a longer wavelength
00:23 dr_jkl xargh-s.
00:24 wannabe1987 hi
00:24 masterofmonks "The cavity magnetron is a high-powered vacuum tube that generates microwaves using the interaction of a stream of electrons with a magnetic field"
00:25 masterofmonks Quote wikipedia.
00:26 Toastdude Okay
00:26 Toastdude Lol
00:26 masterofmonks Now having said that.
00:26 Toastdude I don't exactly want to kill myself too much, though
00:26 Monkeh|Lap Damnit, I was about to do something and I've been totally distracted by music. :{
00:26 masterofmonks Well, what are your plans?
00:27 Toastdude Idk, just experimenting
00:28 * Monkeh|Lap hooks a microwave up to his cantenna
00:30 SparkyProjects Monkeh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIpUqlhXNFQ
00:30 BotSteve Title: Can a microwave power a plane? - Bang Goes The Theory - BBC One - YouTube
00:32 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I was thinking more of burning the crap out of annoying APs
00:37 * lwq1996 loves blue berry candy canes
00:42 wannabe1987 Toastdude: http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379926_273988675987478_244753448911001_795340_457781344_n.jpg
00:43 Toastdude lol
00:47 masterofmonks wannabe1987: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cookie-Brownie-Pie/
00:47 BotSteve Title: Cookie Brownie Pie
00:50 wannabe1987 hmmmm but i don't care for caramel....
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00:52 masterofmonks What illness is it that you have?
00:52 Toastdude Now I know you're crazy, wannabe
00:52 Toastdude Hi producerBill
00:52 Toastdude Hi producerBill2 *
00:53 producerbill2 hi there
00:53 wannabe1987 being dutch
00:54 sndwrx Dutch don't like blueberries or caramel?
00:54 wannabe1987 no
00:54 wannabe1987 they do.
00:54 wannabe1987 i just don't care for caramel.  i'll eat it tho
00:55 wannabe1987 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/geekh.jpg
00:56 sndwrx See, now that just reinforces my earlier statement.
00:56 wannabe1987 what?
00:57 sndwrx dbshortwave commented on your nerds recipe, saying it was cannibalism for nerds to eat nerds.  I clarified and stated geeks eating nerds is simply the natural food chain.
00:57 wannabe1987 ah.  yep
00:57 wannabe1987 :D
00:57 dbshortwave and i was being a smart ass
00:58 wannabe1987 typical
01:04 wannabe1987 sndwrx: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/91441483/upside-movies-nights-in-grand-rapids-and-line-danc
01:04 BotSteve Title: Upside Down Movie Nights in Grand Rapids & Line Dance by Steve Zaagman — Kickstarter
01:05 sndwrx URL handling in weechat sucks compared to irssi.
01:05 wannabe1987 awww
01:05 wannabe1987 i'm sorry
01:05 wannabe1987 i went to one upside down movie night...we watched "swing kids"
01:06 sndwrx Well, that's an interesting idea.
01:08 wannabe1987 hmmmm theres big band music (presumably swing) the 31st downtown in one of the patlind ballrooms....
01:09 wannabe1987 plus theres the ball drop
01:09 wannabe1987 i wonder when we get home from "down soutH
01:10 sndwrx Grand Rapids has a new year ball drop now?
01:11 wannabe1987 yes
01:15 sndwrx huh
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01:17 dbshortwave hey wannabe... wanna see what it looks like behind my dash?
01:17 dbshortwave lol
01:17 wannabe1987 lol sure?
01:17 wannabe1987 soudns perverted, btw
01:17 dbshortwave yeah i see that lol
01:17 dbshortwave http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.190071701084058.45303.100002436873511&type=1&l=0fcd0b5c42
01:17 BotSteve Title: dashboard demons and heater core hell | Facebook
01:18 injektion http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/12/04/1949241/email-offline-at-the-home-of-sendmail
01:18 BotSteve Title: Email Offline At the Home of Sendmail - Slashdot
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01:19 wannabe1987 looks fun db
01:20 dbshortwave it wasnt
01:20 wannabe1987 yes, i was sarcastic
01:21 wannabe1987 mmmm food :D
01:21 dbshortwave IT IS kinda cool
01:21 dbshortwave thy have hinges that let you rock the dash forward
01:22 wannabe1987 i've seen drew take out the gauges quite a few times....but thats about it
01:22 wannabe1987 in his (old 2008) charger
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01:25 dbshortwave brb the kids want to go to the pool
01:25 wannabe1987 ....
01:25 wannabe1987 its 8:30 at night
01:25 wannabe1987 and COLD
01:25 sndwrx It's a euphimism.
01:26 injektion lol
01:26 wannabe1987 euphamisim for ?
01:26 Sgt_Lemming ello all
01:26 masterofmonks wannabe1987: the pool is white and mae of porcelin.
01:26 masterofmonks made*
01:26 wannabe1987 lol
01:27 wannabe1987 hi lem
01:27 * Sgt_Lemming is sore this morning
01:27 wannabe1987 ....'
01:27 Sgt_Lemming worked my ass off yesterday
01:28 wannabe1987 doing what, lem?
01:28 Sgt_Lemming basically rebuilding our hackerspace
01:29 wannabe1987 oooo
01:29 Sgt_Lemming we pulled out all the crappy benches we had, and replaced em with ones made out of pallet racking
01:29 Sgt_Lemming a LOT of work
01:29 Sgt_Lemming we had on average 10 people there from 9am to 6 pm
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01:31 Sgt_Lemming we erected about 1.2 ton of pallet racking
01:32 wannabe1987 masterofmonks: i might do the cookie brownie pie with nutella instead of caramel :D
01:33 masterofmonks That is disgusting.
01:33 dbshortwave rofl
01:33 wannabe1987 i'm sorry you feel that way
01:33 Sgt_Lemming lol monks
01:33 Toastdude :O
01:33 masterofmonks I am not a huge fan of nutella.
01:33 Sgt_Lemming heh
01:34 * Toastdude throws up from thinking about it
01:34 Sgt_Lemming I lurve it
01:34 wannabe1987 clearly
01:34 Sgt_Lemming I'm not a huge fan of caramel
01:34 wannabe1987 i like it, but not LURVE it
01:34 wannabe1987 lem - same
01:34 wannabe1987 and dad thinks i'm crazy for putting nerds in cupcakes "why not eat them?"
01:34 Sgt_Lemming rofl
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01:35 reesk hai
01:36 Toastdude Hello
01:36 reesk hiya how are you Toastdude
01:37 Toastdude I'm great, how are you, reesk?
01:39 wannabe1987 ice cream, even when microwaved, is still cold.  fyi
01:40 Toastdude lol
01:40 reesk im good just been watching a load of tgg vids and thought id make my introductions to the comunity
01:40 wannabe1987 well, welcome
01:40 wannabe1987 where do you hail from?
01:40 reesk wannabe1987: really do explain
01:40 Toastdude Because it's not liquid enough to excite the molecules, fyi :P
01:41 reesk im from westmidlands in the uk
01:41 wannabe1987 it was rock hard so i had to nuke it a bit to get it soft enough to scoop
01:41 wannabe1987 another brit?  nifty!
01:41 Toastdude :D
01:41 wannabe1987 how did you find tgg?
01:41 * reesk looks at wannabe1987 straight faced
01:41 reesk electronic autopsy
01:41 wannabe1987 nice
01:41 wannabe1987 don't worry about me, i'm a blonde chick
01:42 Toastdude True dat.
01:42 reesk is that even compatible
01:42 wannabe1987 ??
01:42 Toastdude Well it seems to be :P
01:42 wannabe1987 what, girls on the internet?
01:42 reesk blonde and into electronics i dont think you qualify as a true blond
01:42 wannabe1987 i nevver said i was into electronics
01:42 reesk errrrrrrr.....
01:42 wannabe1987 i never actually have told you my "geek specialty" but whats yours?
01:43 reesk im just gonna drop it
01:43 Toastdude Lol
01:43 reesk my specialisty is tinkering
01:43 Toastdude :D
01:43 * Toastdude likes reesk already
01:44 wannabe1987 mine is cooking/baking.  and computers a bit
01:44 wannabe1987 and musical
01:44 reesk too dumb to learn code to dumbe to make complex circuits just smart enough to exploit digital write and barley solder leds
01:44 reesk thats me in a nutshell
01:44 Toastdude Want to learn Python, reesk?
01:44 wannabe1987 nice
01:44 wannabe1987 o and your age?
01:44 reesk you can try i guess its gonna be what my 4th language ive failed
01:44 reesk im 19 wannabe1987
01:44 wannabe1987 nice
01:45 wannabe1987 another young un
01:45 reesk vb fail
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01:45 reesk php fail
01:45 reesk c++ fail
01:45 wannabe1987 hi Druidic_Rifleman
01:45 Druidic_Rifleman hey
01:45 reesk arduino  fruit salad language fail in potentia
01:45 Toastdude reesk: I'm 13 and I can learn it, so why can't you?
01:46 reesk im not really sure i struggle to learn things cause im a visual learner
01:46 reesk i have to be shown everything which is where learning languages stumps me
01:46 masterofmonks lwq1996!
01:47 Sgt_Lemming reesk, I'm heavily visual spatial, so I know your pain
01:47 reesk cool
01:47 reesk although i can say i can write kick ass math in php
01:47 reesk ok i lie  i can do basic math in php
01:48 egrsteve anyone know c/c++ here
01:49 reesk gotta love the arduino maning convention just ad duino onto anything you wanna mash up with duino and you find it straight away
01:49 Sgt_Lemming heh
01:49 Sgt_Lemming it does make life easier in some regards
01:49 reesk pyduino mintduino ect
01:50 egrsteve ok, arduino coding question, if I perform an operation on a static with a static will it be computed at compile time
01:50 egrsteve or runtime
01:50 Sgt_Lemming nfi
01:50 egrsteve grr
01:50 Sgt_Lemming I would say probably compile time
01:50 reesk oooh toast duino i could uce the toast as a pcd and join cirtuits with butter!
01:50 Sgt_Lemming but can't confirm
01:50 egrsteve i hope so
01:50 Sgt_Lemming try asking in #arduino egrsteve?
01:51 egrsteve I need to know size of an static lookup table in the code
01:51 masterofmonks Hmm need some 200, 400, 600, 1000, 2000 grit paper.
01:52 reesk whats the conductive properties of butter and would it make a good conductive material for a arduino
01:52 Sgt_Lemming lol
01:52 Sgt_Lemming no
01:52 sndwrx masterofmonks: Polishing something?
01:52 Sgt_Lemming it's an oil based food
01:52 masterofmonks sndwrx: I am restoring a machete.
01:52 sndwrx Oh, cool
01:52 Sgt_Lemming not very conductive at all
01:52 reesk damn
01:53 reesk there goe my hopes of blinking breakfast treats
01:53 masterofmonks I wish I could find a local source of 3000, 4000, 6000 paper.
01:53 Sgt_Lemming 6000 paper is just paper :-P
01:53 masterofmonks Sgt_Lemming: Not so much.
01:53 Sgt_Lemming I know
01:54 Sgt_Lemming I was kidding
01:54 Druidic_Rifleman Sooo to daysan ok day
01:54 reesk whats a good replacement to said word
01:55 reesk cause damn is a pretty pg replacemtn to what i say in rl in rl i say s*** nibbles
01:56 reesk how about crank
01:56 reesk thats a fairly inocuos workd
01:56 reesk wod
01:56 reesk i suck at spelling
01:57 wannabe1987 i notice.  you're not the only one here tho :P
01:57 wannabe1987 and i hae to get going, but i'll be back !
01:58 Sgt_Lemming reesk, FRELL!
02:00 tonsofpcs egrsteve: for defined statics, without optimization, runtime.  Optimization should see that and make it happen at compile time though.
02:00 reesk whats frell
02:00 tonsofpcs (that's true for most languages)
02:00 Sgt_Lemming .ud frell
02:00 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frell
02:00 tonsofpcs no clue what optimizations happen for an arduino compiler though
02:01 egrsteve arduino uses AVRgcc
02:01 tonsofpcs is there a reason you can't just define a static as the result of the operation?
02:05 reesk .ud frell??
02:05 BotSteve reesk: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frell
02:05 reesk i thought frell was a replacemtn to hell
02:06 Druidic_Rifleman Soooo i am having an ok day
02:06 Sgt_Lemming nope
02:06 reesk a replacement to the f word would be feck frick and a couple other things
02:06 Sgt_Lemming otherwise things like "Frell you!" or "We are so frelled" wouldn't make sense
02:07 reesk ive never heard those sentances
02:07 reesk feck you what the feck oh feck who the feck and feck me ive heard a ton
02:07 Sgt_Lemming never watched farscape?
02:07 reesk nope
02:07 reesk -10 gp
02:07 Sgt_Lemming frell is from farscape
02:07 Sgt_Lemming -10 dkp
02:08 reesk MORE DOTS
02:08 reesk MORE DOTS
02:08 reesk OK SOPT THE DOTS
02:08 Sgt_Lemming +1 gp
02:09 reesk +0001 gp
02:09 egrsteve according to ##C sizeof is computed at compile time for fixed length arrays so it should not be an issue
02:09 reesk +1010 gp for knowing that
02:09 egrsteve #arduino had no idea
02:09 reesk 00a i belive ould be the hex value
02:10 reesk 0a
02:10 Sgt_Lemming .g the meaning of life, the universe and everything
02:10 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)
02:10 Sgt_Lemming aka 101010
02:10 egrsteve .wa the meaning of life, the universe and everything
02:10 BotSteve Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything;42, (according to Douglas Adams\' humorous science-fiction novel The Hitchhiker\'s Guide to the Galaxy)
02:11 egrsteve even wolfram knows that
02:11 lwq1996 masterofmonks you needed me?
02:12 masterofmonks Look at the context when I pinged you.
02:12 reesk actually
02:12 reesk thats bad form
02:12 reesk 00101010
02:13 Toastdude That's 8-bit
02:13 Toastdude binary doesn't need to be 8-bit
02:14 reesk i submit this video im my defence
02:14 reesk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJKwRogzfc
02:14 BotSteve Title: 8-BIT WORLD featuring Hoodie Allen - (Your Favorite Martian music video) - YouTube
02:14 lwq1996 masterofmonks i cant find it
02:14 Sgt_Lemming binary can be all sorts of arrangements
02:14 Sgt_Lemming 7 bit used to be quite common
02:15 masterofmonks 20:50:32 EST
02:15 reesk i prefer to use the 8bit form cause when your writing out sntances in binary it gets confusuin where a letter egins and end
02:16 reesk well faux letters i still dont know if theres a initiator bit or somethign to tell the computer weather its reading dec or ascii
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02:18 reesk does anyone know the answer to that one how does a pc know whether its reading a letter or not
02:19 Sgt_Lemming the pc doesn't :-P
02:19 reesk so if i passed 01100001 to a pc how would it know the difference between a    a and the number 97
02:20 Sgt_Lemming it doesn't, the computer at know stage knows what it is
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02:20 Sgt_Lemming at no stage even
02:21 Sgt_Lemming all it does is display what the software says
02:21 reesk 01101100011011110110110000100000011010010010000001100110011000010110100101101100
02:21 reesk my brains to tired to write that out by hand
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02:22 Sgt_Lemming wheter it's a number or not is all depepndent on what the software says
02:22 Sgt_Lemming to the pc's hardware, it's all just data
02:22 reesk pcs confuse me
02:22 Sgt_Lemming reesk, are you familiar with the OSI model?
02:22 reesk i know how bin ascii and hex work i know how basic adders work but anything else im screwed
02:22 reesk yeah minorly
02:23 reesk it dictates the transitions data must goe though to get from point a to point b
02:23 Sgt_Lemming err, kind of
02:24 Sgt_Lemming but it also dictates how each layer of the system handles data
02:24 Sgt_Lemming .w osi model
02:24 BotSteve "The Open Systems Interconnection model (OSI model) is a product of the Open Systems Interconnection effort at the International Organization for Standardization." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osi_model
02:24 reesk .y 8bit world
02:24 BotSteve reesk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJKwRogzfc
02:24 reesk woot
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman I am getting some corey bait
02:24 Sgt_Lemming mmm?
02:24 Druidic_Rifleman ttyal
02:25 reesk BotSteve: i love you
02:25 Druidic_Rifleman if you we're making a corey trap what would you bait it with
02:25 Sgt_Lemming taco's?
02:25 reesk hmm i wonder
02:25 reesk .f kyle rees
02:26 reesk meh guess not
02:26 Sgt_Lemming you were hoping for a facebook search?
02:26 reesk yep
02:26 reesk although i will say
02:26 reesk .g reesk92
02:26 BotSteve reesk: http://www.youtube.com/user/reesk92
02:26 reesk is a scary one
02:27 egrsteve Druidic_Rifleman: taco bell
02:27 reesk i think its a achivment when you controll the entrie first page of youtube
02:27 reesk i mean google
02:27 Sgt_Lemming reesk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNYeDjPCAo
02:27 BotSteve Title: Drawing 10KV arc's off a set of Microwave Oven Transformers - YouTube
02:28 Druidic_Rifleman Might go to a local like non chain if it's open
02:28 reesk your too comfortable around high volgage
02:29 Sgt_Lemming "you're"
02:29 reesk son of a female dog
02:29 reesk some ass pastebinned a convorsation i had
02:29 Sgt_Lemming link?
02:29 reesk http://pastebin.com/0jDm8RFE
02:29 BotSteve Title: ChrizC reesk92; it's a feature, not a bug <- Xzinum has disconnected (Quit: : - Pastebin.com
02:29 Druidic_Rifleman Son of a bitch yeah you haven't met my mom you Have no idea how bad she is
02:30 Druidic_Rifleman bbl FOR I AM ON A QUEST FOR TACOS!!!!
02:30 reesk i was bitching about minecraft update constantly coming out with new features but not fixing the stuff that was already broken
02:32 reesk an i still think you should fix whats already broken before throwing anouther beta feature into the game that will become yet anouther thing to fix
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02:34 reesk still back to topic thats freaky id of never found that if it wernt for google
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02:36 wannabe1987 .
02:37 wannabe1987 Toastdude
02:38 reesk oooh i have 2 subscribers on yt but why
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02:38 wannabe1987 lol
02:39 reesk i also have a comment thats verry encouraging only downside is i have no clue what video he is talking about
02:39 reesk i think its my video i used to have on raid
02:39 reesk or backups
02:39 reesk yeah i think it was backups
02:40 reesk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHni8H37qs i really really really wanna finsih that project it is awesome
02:40 BotSteve Title: reesk92's webcam video 29 June 2011 18:06 (PDT) - YouTube
02:41 reesk excuse the camera shake this vid was for a freind to see my project so im balencing a laptop on one arm
02:42 wannabe1987 someone can have my allergies now, i'm done and through! with them.  bloody allergies
02:43 egrsteve ok, this if statement is madness
02:43 egrsteve else if (((C_day == weekend_start
02:43 egrsteve || C_day == ((weekend_start+1)=8? 1: weekend_start+1)
02:43 egrsteve )? 9:C_day)
02:43 egrsteve && (schedule_entry[entry].hr >= C_hour)
02:43 egrsteve && (schedule_entry[entry].min >= C_min))
02:44 masterofmonks May I direct you toward #tgg:tutoring ?
02:44 egrsteve can anyone make sense of that
02:44 egrsteve no, I just wrote that
02:44 egrsteve it's just madness
02:44 egrsteve that is a single if condition
02:44 astro73|alice egrsteve: pastebin?
02:45 egrsteve it wasn't that long
02:45 egrsteve was it?
02:45 astro73|alice i guess not
02:46 astro73|alice excuse me while i parse it out
02:46 egrsteve ok
02:46 egrsteve that can all be concidered one line of code
02:46 astro73|alice i know
02:47 astro73|alice is "=8" right?
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02:47 egrsteve might be == let me check
02:48 Sgt_Lemming == declares it must be the value
02:48 egrsteve i might need more ()s to be safe
02:48 astro73|alice no, ()'s all match
02:48 astro73|alice but (foo+1) = 8 has me wondering
02:48 egrsteve i knme too
02:48 egrsteve it should be ==
02:49 egrsteve it's the opening conditional to that ternary
02:49 egrsteve fixed
02:49 astro73|alice 3 part
02:49 egrsteve 3 part?
02:49 astro73|alice the first ternary is actually substituting for a modulus operator
02:50 egrsteve I suppose it is
02:50 egrsteve would a mod be more efficiant?
02:50 astro73|alice it depends?
02:50 astro73|alice probably not, since mod depends on division
02:50 egrsteve this is running on a MCU
02:51 reesk im heading to bed ill speak tomorrow
02:51 reesk night all
02:51 egrsteve so ?: should be faster
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02:51 * lwq1996 computers diper
02:51 astro73|alice an embedded? almost certainly slower except for powers of two
02:51 egrsteve as there is no hardware divide
02:51 * lwq1996 changes his computers diper
02:51 * lwq1996 now beats its ass till it cant sit
02:52 astro73|alice powers of two can be done with bit shifts and masks, but that's a distraction
02:52 lwq1996 my computer shit itself
02:52 egrsteve I know bitshifts are magic
02:52 astro73|alice they're easy hardware
02:52 egrsteve that they are
02:52 egrsteve this is for atmel 328
02:52 egrsteve aka arduino
02:52 astro73|alice i think what it's saying that if it's the weekend and after a certain time
02:52 egrsteve that it is
02:52 egrsteve good job
02:52 lwq1996 damn i cant log onto ubuntu
02:53 lwq1996 hell i cant even get to the logo on menu
02:53 egrsteve and my massive conditional looks right then
02:53 lwq1996 i cant believe ubuntu shit itself
02:53 astro73|alice i've been programming for 10yrs, including time with PIC18's.
02:53 egrsteve nice
02:53 astro73|alice although that ternary mess could probably stand to be replaced with a macro
02:53 astro73|alice IS_WEEKEND()
02:54 egrsteve probably, this is a draft
02:54 egrsteve I will probably make it it's own funciton
02:54 BatSteve sup
02:54 BotSteve BatSteve: I have the following messages for you:
02:54 BotSteve At 04 Dec 08:36Z, Toastdude asked me to Tell BatSteve he's wondering if you're free on the 22nd
02:54 astro73|alice it took me reformatting and actually thought process to figure out what it does; that's a bad sign.
02:54 egrsteve or just leave it to mess with people
02:54 BatSteve hmm
02:54 BatSteve what's the 22nd?
02:54 wannabe1987 hi bats
02:54 BatSteve .wa dec 22 2011
02:54 astro73|alice or yourself in 6mo?
02:54 BotSteve Thursday, December 22, 2011;12\/22\/2011  (month\/day\/year);18 days from now;2 weeks 4 days from now;14 weekdays from now;356th day;51st week;(no official holidays or major observances);Richard Reid attempts to detonate explosives hidden in his shoes on a flight to Miami (2001): 10th anniversary;Embargo Act of 1807 (1807): 204th anniversary;Ceau&#351;escu flees Bucharest (1989): 22nd anniversary;New York City &quot;Su
02:55 lwq1996 hey batsteve do you know why ubuntu would shit itself
02:55 Toastdude Wow... I was JUST typing .seen BatSteve
02:55 Toastdude Lol
02:55 Toastdude BatSteve!
02:55 wannabe1987 o BatSteve, toast is coming toGR then :D
02:55 egrsteve ya, it's commented so it shouldn't be too bad
02:55 BatSteve lwq1996: probably because whoever set it up screwed something up
02:55 astro73|alice comments are good, esp in C
02:55 egrsteve indeed
02:55 BatSteve Toastdude!
02:55 astro73|alice portable assembly is hard to parse
02:55 wannabe1987 BatSteve!  Toastdude!
02:55 lwq1996 um its been working fine till just an hour ago
02:55 wannabe1987 hi astro
02:55 astro73|alice hi wannabe1987
02:55 egrsteve writing smart C is mostly self documenting though
02:55 Toastdude Wannabe!
02:55 lwq1996 infact i had a hard time getting back onto windows 7
02:56 astro73|alice egrsteve: it's still as dense as a brick
02:56 astro73|alice wannabe1987: hi
02:56 wannabe1987 hi
02:56 egrsteve what my code?
02:56 astro73|alice lwq1996: if you can get to a VT or something, you can at least look at logs or something
02:56 astro73|alice egrsteve: C in general
02:56 lwq1996 vt?
02:57 egrsteve yes, c(++) is probably the best MCU programing platform
02:57 astro73|alice even in my simple RC robotics, I had as much as 3 or 4 layers of abstrac tion
02:57 egrsteve unless a timing critical assembly bit is needed
02:57 astro73|alice lwq1996: virtual terminal, the fallback interface for linux
02:57 lwq1996 ah
02:57 lwq1996 i can get to this terminal when it starts
02:57 astro73|alice egrsteve: that had better be some really critical stuff, which I would wonder would be better off in hardware
02:58 lwq1996 but im on the same machine right now on windows
02:58 egrsteve assembly stuff?
02:58 astro73|alice egrsteve: that critical of timing
02:58 * lwq1996 smacks his computer for shiting itself
02:58 egrsteve no this mess determines the current temp in a schedule based on a lookup table
02:58 astro73|alice and if interrupts are involved? Good luck debugging it
02:59 egrsteve for a 7/5+2 arduino thermostat
02:59 astro73|alice timing errors are some of the hardest s*** to figure out
02:59 lwq1996 lol
02:59 sndwrx Toastdude coming to Grand Rapids?
02:59 lwq1996 eh screw it
02:59 wannabe1987 yes.
02:59 sndwrx cool
02:59 wannabe1987 mhm
02:59 egrsteve it polls current time from and external RTC and finds the most recent but not future entry in the table
02:59 lwq1996 just unistall and start from scratch if i cant get to the log on
03:00 astro73|alice egrsteve: thatsounds pretty non-critical
03:00 BatSteve wait hold on, did you lose your X server?
03:00 BatSteve But you can use the terminal?
03:00 sndwrx lwq1996: ctrl+alt+F1 == terminal
03:00 egrsteve and falls back on a weekday/weekend schedual if no day specific values exist
03:00 sndwrx You can do anything you need to in the console.
03:00 astro73|alice BatSteve: that's what it sounds like he lost
03:00 egrsteve it would be non-critical
03:01 egrsteve except pipes freezing
03:01 BatSteve oh, ok.  hmm...i wonder if he could install flux or something
03:01 astro73|alice i mean timing/ etc
03:02 astro73|alice the code itself is relatively simple
03:02 astro73|alice looking up data and feeding it to simple hysterisis
03:03 astro73|alice only one complex external device
03:04 egrsteve basicly
03:04 astro73|alice and i doubt the RTC is that complex
03:04 egrsteve this will be polled on regular intervals and returns current setpoint
03:04 egrsteve the RTC is TWI (I2C)
03:05 egrsteve that setpoint is compared with tempsensor (10k thermister via A2D)
03:05 astro73|alice wait, you need 2 micros for this?
03:05 egrsteve no, just 1
03:05 egrsteve the RTC is TWI
03:06 egrsteve I am using an external RTC as the Arduino can't keep time
03:06 astro73|alice oh, ok
03:06 egrsteve worth it's weight in tungston
03:06 astro73|alice polled at regular intervals? You actually put a wait in there?
03:07 tonsofpcs whatcha buildin, steve?
03:07 egrsteve thermostat Arduino shield
03:07 astro73|alice given that you have AC power and one marginally complicated thing?
03:07 astro73|alice i would have just looped it and let it go fast
03:07 tonsofpcs shield?
03:07 \_Obtuse lol. daughterboard
03:07 egrsteve powers the arduino from 24 AC and output controls via opto triacs
03:08 \_Obtuse shield = daughterboard
03:08 egrsteve I don't know what our loop time will be
03:08 astro73|alice right. transformer in the basement and all
03:08 egrsteve 1 sec, to sec ect
03:08 egrsteve yes
03:08 egrsteve powered right from the furnace
03:08 \_Obtuse I've had the conversation with a few people tonsofpcs
03:08 tonsofpcs egrsteve: can't you just hook up a quartz crystal?
03:08 astro73|alice RTC is easier
03:08 \_Obtuse I saw your project on the website steve.
03:09 egrsteve the host MCU board doesn't support it vary well
03:09 \_Obtuse i'm jealous that you guys get to make an arduino shield
03:09 egrsteve it has been updated a lot lately
03:09 \_Obtuse oooo.
03:09 egrsteve http://egr.gvsu.edu/~selkt/wordpress/
03:09 BotSteve Title: Thermo+ Shield | GVSU Engineering 326- Embedded System Design
03:09 egrsteve take a look now
03:10 egrsteve background/ design sections will be most intersting
03:10 Druidic_Rifleman hey obtuse
03:10 Druidic_Rifleman i has corey bate
03:11 \_Obtuse hello
03:11 egrsteve tonsofpcs: the RTC handles all the time keeping you just pole is asking the current time
03:11 \_Obtuse biggest thing i'm jealous about is you using a simple 328p
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03:12 \_Obtuse We had to figure out how to get a Blackfin microprocessor to work
03:12 egrsteve our orignal design had a attiny co-proccesor handeling the IO over TWI to maximize compatibility but that was giving us trouble
03:12 \_Obtuse and we did a ton of work and the project never got used. :(
03:12 egrsteve so we fell back on the arduino to handle it all
03:12 * wannabe1987 wants to feel better....
03:12 egrsteve Blackfin?
03:13 \_Obtuse its by Analog Devices
03:13 \_Obtuse used for processing video
03:13 * Toastdude makes wannabe feel better
03:13 \_Obtuse now of course you might as well use a TI OMAP
03:13 egrsteve Sterians goal is for everyone to have a sellable product by the end of the semester
03:13 \_Obtuse awesome. I'm hoping to see some sort of store
03:13 egrsteve if we pursue selling it is up to us
03:14 \_Obtuse oh
03:14 egrsteve ( i think)
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03:14 \_Obtuse I don't have a need for your shield unfortunately
03:14 egrsteve maybe rugged circuits will pick up the design
03:14 \_Obtuse but the function generator one.
03:14 egrsteve (s)
03:14 egrsteve don't bother
03:14 \_Obtuse haha. are they doing that bad?
03:14 astro73|alice any micro with I2C should be able to handle it
03:14 egrsteve too low a frequency range
03:15 egrsteve basicly
03:15 \_Obtuse how low?
03:15 wannabe1987 .seen sythen
03:15 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw sythen 538.26 hours ago at 2011-11-12 16:59:37 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:15:07 UTC
03:15 wannabe1987 .c 538hours to days
03:15 BotSteve 22.4166667 days
03:15 egrsteve 20k or 14kHz i think
03:15 egrsteve *20 or 40
03:15 \_Obtuse i'd have to compare to what sparkfun sells
03:15 egrsteve was there a listing of all of the pages somewhere
03:18 tonsofpcs there's a place down the street here that does some sort of PCB creation and can do short-runs and many layers...  I really want to have them build something for me at some point
03:19 egrsteve nice, you have a local PCB manufacturer
03:20 tonsofpcs http://www.endicottinterconnect.com/
03:20 BotSteve Title: Advanced Electronic Packaging Solutions - Endicott Interconnect
03:20 tonsofpcs there's actually quite a few local PCB manufacturers... how publicly accessible they are is a different question
03:21 \_Obtuse There's one in west michigan called safari circuits
03:22 tonsofpcs I mean, I'm sure both Rockwell Collins and Lockheed Martin make PCBs.  I doubt either would make a run for someone off the street.
03:22 egrsteve I doubt it
03:22 egrsteve although they may outsource is
03:22 egrsteve *it
03:22 Cprossu o_O
03:23 tonsofpcs hi Cprossu
03:23 egrsteve very few companies make there own boards, many do populate them themselve though
03:23 egrsteve hi Cprossu
03:23 Cprossu indeed
03:23 Cprossu so what's new?
03:23 egrsteve mitch wanted the polk audio speakers for radio
03:24 egrsteve I never let him finnish asking though
03:24 egrsteve just told him they were for the wheatstone
03:24 tonsofpcs heh
03:24 Cprossu yep.
03:24 egrsteve *RADIO USES CANS.*
03:24 egrsteve :( no bold
03:24 Cprossu they ain't gettin' my lucky charms---errr polks
03:24 egrsteve *bold*
03:25 egrsteve I guess you can only bold one word
03:25 egrsteve *RADIO_USES_CANS.*
03:25 Cprossu you can bold all you want
03:25 tonsofpcs both TV and radio should use a variety of speaker setups.
03:25 Cprossu doesn't mean it will work
03:25 tonsofpcs mind you, they don't do radio, so it doesn't really matter
03:25 egrsteve well OAT for radio is usually cans
03:26 egrsteve at least when a mic is open
03:26 Cprossu granted you don't normally have the radio jockeys doing the mixing =P
03:26 tonsofpcs Cprossu: yea you do...
03:26 Cprossu noooooooo
03:26 tonsofpcs hmm, http://www.bcetny.com/ looks interesting
03:26 BotSteve Title: The Binghamton Center for Emerging Technologies (BCET) | Endicott, NY 13760
03:27 egrsteve most mix themselves, but can't touch the final processor gear
03:28 tonsofpcs Cprossu: if you want to be an on-air jock these days, you better be able to run the mix 100% yourself (including breaks intra-, pre-, and post-) unless you're some big shot -- in which case, you probably do this to maintain control
03:31 tonsofpcs hmm, we apparently also have a custom capacitor builder nearby...
03:32 lwq1996 omg windows 7 sucks compared to ubuntu
03:32 tonsofpcs it could be worse
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03:39 egrsteve ok, I think thats enough code for one night
03:43 BatSteve "Secretly, everyone likes dressing up.  The trick is just finding out what a particular person likes dressing up *as*"
03:43 * tonsofpcs just shaved his beard off and feels weird
03:43 Toastdude Lol
03:45 Sgt_Lemming lol BatSteve
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03:48 wannabe-zz night Toastdude
03:48 wannabe-zz and everyone else
03:48 Toastdude Night wannabe!
03:50 BatSteve bye wannabe!
03:50 wannabe-zz night BatSteve, sndwrx, etc
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03:52 lwq1996 ok so my sister was eating a blue candy cane and she had blue stuff all overr her mouth and i asked her "did you blow a smerf"
03:53 Toastdude ......................
03:53 Toastdude How old is your sister?
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03:53 lwq1996 same age as me
03:54 Toastdude Oh, okay
03:55 tonsofpcs twin queens?
03:56 tonsofpcs also, it's Smurf.
03:56 lwq1996 oh ok, and yes twins :P
03:57 masterofmonks Oh that explains a lot.
03:57 lwq1996 what?!?!?!
03:57 dbshortwave LAWL
03:57 masterofmonks Shares the same school as you?
03:58 lwq1996 yes
03:58 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: yea, it does
04:00 masterofmonks You and your sister fuss a lot yes?
04:01 lwq1996 yes
04:05 dbshortwave i bet your mom wishes she had a tazer or a stun gun for you  and her
04:05 dbshortwave lol
04:06 lwq1996 yes actually she does
04:08 tonsofpcs wishes?
04:09 lwq1996 yes
04:09 tonsofpcs we can fix that.  what's your address? :D
04:10 dbshortwave LOL
04:10 dbshortwave i was about to say that
04:10 tonsofpcs heh
04:11 lwq1996 um, no
04:11 lwq1996 i already get shocked enough
04:13 BatSteve What you want for that, is a sock full of nickels.
04:13 * lwq1996 hides
04:14 dbshortwave we need to skool yer mom about the gym sock and an orange
04:14 lwq1996 what?
04:14 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: let's not
04:14 dbshortwave no bruses and fresh beatin squeesed juice
04:14 dbshortwave lol
04:15 tonsofpcs BS juice
04:15 * lwq1996 hides all the oranges
04:16 dbshortwave sock party or blanket party
04:17 dbshortwave use oranges
04:17 dbshortwave not sope
04:17 dbshortwave er
04:17 dbshortwave soap
04:20 dbshortwave im off to bed
04:20 dbshortwave tomorrow is another FUN PACKED DAY!!!
04:20 astro73|alice MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:20 Toastdude .....
04:20 Toastdude Bye dbshortwave|z
04:21 dbshortwave|z have fun everyone ... dont wrech the place..
04:21 dbshortwave|z err
04:21 astro73|alice Moffat, the current writer for doctor who
04:21 dbshortwave|z yeh
04:21 dbshortwave|z wreck*
04:21 dbshortwave|z that works
04:21 * dbshortwave|z goes to bed
04:21 Toastdude Stephen Moffat?
04:21 astro73|alice yes, him.
04:21 Toastdude Okay
04:21 Toastdude lol
04:22 astro73|alice i just caught up on doctor who
04:22 astro73|alice I believe i'll call this "fanrage"
04:25 egrsteve .log
04:25 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
04:26 Cprossu o_O
04:26 Cprossu well that's certainly interesting
04:27 egrsteve you don't like moffats writing I suppose then
04:27 egrsteve or don't lile being clifhangered
04:29 Toastdude Hi Cprossu
04:30 astro73|alice egrsteve: there was no cliffhanger. just ... GARR!
04:30 astro73|alice that finale just ... makes me angry
04:31 astro73|alice i was ok with his writing up until now
04:32 lwq1996 whats squeaks real name?
04:32 egrsteve rob
04:33 lwq1996 last name too?
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04:34 lwq1996 nvm
04:34 lwq1996 hey its coderjoe!
04:36 Coderjoe it's my computer sucking and xchat locking up around 5am
04:36 lwq1996 lol
04:38 Coderjoe in addition to xchat locking up, firefox also locked up. and then it was like anything trying to write to the C: drive hung
04:40 Coderjoe whee
04:57 lwq1996 i hate ff
04:58 Toastdude Use something else then :P
04:59 BatSteve Lynx!
04:59 lwq1996 i do
04:59 lwq1996 i also hate windows but im now forced to use it till i figure out my problem
05:00 lwq1996 batsteve said i screwed it up somehow :/
05:00 BatSteve Well, someone did
05:00 BatSteve because it was working before
05:00 BatSteve and now it's not
05:00 lwq1996 i didnt do anything! it just shit itself
05:01 sndwrx Are you just having problems with xorg or Gnome(/whatever GUI)?
05:01 BatSteve I think his X server failed for some reason, but I'm not sure
05:01 lwq1996 no, i cant get to the log on screen and i get error codes when i try to start it up
05:02 sndwrx Errors in the startup logs?
05:02 astro73|alice what kind of errors?
05:02 lwq1996 i forget
05:02 sndwrx Check dmesg.
05:02 sndwrx And other startup logs.
05:02 lwq1996 im on the machine right now so i can
05:02 lwq1996 cant
05:02 lwq1996 its dual booted with windows
05:03 sndwrx That was your first mistake right there, allowing yourself an easy fall-back.  :P
05:03 sndwrx "oh it's broken.  I'll just use Windows for now."  or, "meh, it busted.  I'll reinstall."  :P
05:03 lwq1996 i got lots of shit on the windows part
05:04 lwq1996 and yes thats what i planed to do it for
05:05 lwq1996 is there some type of program i can use to boot ubuntu while windows is booted so i can check to see what i did wrong
05:06 sndwrx Just reboot, note the errors, then boot back to Windows if you need to research anything.
05:07 sndwrx Or go into the console while Ubuntu is booted and search with a text browser, like Lynx.
05:07 sndwrx Don't have a second machine or laptop or anything?
05:07 lwq1996 i do, but its old and bulky
05:08 sndwrx If it's good enough to search the 'net then you're good to go.
05:08 sndwrx If you can get to the console in Ubuntu, then we can try to help.
05:08 lwq1996 lol, its also bual booted with windows vista and ubuntu
05:08 sndwrx Must not be that old, then.
05:09 lwq1996 well 7years is quite old
05:09 sndwrx Not that bad.
05:09 lwq1996 well old enough to need upgraded
05:09 sndwrx Half your age, which may skew your perspective.  :P
05:10 lwq1996 im waiting to get some money to upgrad the ram and get a new cord and new hard drive
05:10 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   Captain's Blog 12-5-11 Happy Birthday to Jeremiah Duke http://youtu.be/IPku-zvWA4o
05:10 sndwrx At any rate if it boots and works, then set it up on your desk or your lap or whatever, reboot the "broken" machine, and get at it.
05:11 lwq1996 damn i dont want to do this late
05:11 Toastdude Thanks BotSteve
05:11 BotSteve You're welcome, Toastdude
05:11 lwq1996 ?
05:11 lwq1996 wtf
05:11 sndwrx k, then don't do it tonight.
05:12 sndwrx Is it a true dual-boot or is it installed with Wubi?
05:12 lwq1996 i will do it tomorrow when i get home from school, if i can i want to try and save it, but if i cant not a big deal
05:12 lwq1996 Wubi
05:12 sndwrx Did you recently do an upgrade?
05:13 lwq1996 i did some updates but no full upgrades
05:13 lwq1996 shouldnt of hurt it
05:13 sndwrx That could be the issue.  Wubi has a tendency to break itself with some updates.
05:13 sndwrx Wubi is neat, and it's easy, but it's a fairly hokey system.
05:13 lwq1996 well it was just like update the java and flash and stuff
05:14 sndwrx If it's only those things, then it shouldn't have broken itself.  Hard to say though.
05:14 sndwrx At any rate, it's possible to mount that file container.
05:14 lwq1996 ik that if you do an upgrade from 10.4 or something to the newest that it automaticly shit itself
05:14 lwq1996 i did that like 2weeks ago though so idk if it could be that
05:14 lwq1996 THATS THE ERROR
05:15 lwq1996 something about mounting it
05:15 astro73|alice that's usually bad. very bad.
05:15 sndwrx Well, reboot it and see, then come back here.
05:15 astro73|alice like "my filesystem is fscked" bad
05:15 sndwrx Otherwise, mount the file container, retrieve any data you need to back up, then begin trying to fix it.
05:18 lwq1996 i'll do it tomorrow get a pic and them show you it
05:18 lwq1996 im too tired to hassle with it tonight
05:19 lwq1996 i will probally end up breaking my computer
05:19 lwq1996 from me smashing it more or less
05:19 sndwrx heh.
05:19 lwq1996 i get like that becuase i got tempers
05:21 sndwrx At least you're aware of it, that's a good start to manging a temper.
05:21 lwq1996 i manage it good
05:21 lwq1996 but sometimes it over comes me
05:23 * sndwrx nods.
05:24 lwq1996 but now i got a thing to take my stress out on
05:24 lwq1996 thats shooting guns
05:29 Druidic_Rifleman hey
05:31 sndwrx Might want to be careful with how your brain learns to associate stress relief with shooting.  :P
05:32 lwq1996 oh im sure to keep that with just targets
05:33 lwq1996 *paper targets
05:34 BatSteve Gunfire is awesome stress relief
05:34 BatSteve I can get behind that 100%
05:34 lwq1996 i love making holes with powerful guns :}
05:37 Druidic_Rifleman it's also very zen like
05:38 Druidic_Rifleman people don't beleave me but you can really find inner peace through training with a sniperrile
05:38 Druidic_Rifleman rifle
05:38 lwq1996 its the quiet before the shot that i like
05:43 Druidic_Rifleman More focus is needed to SHoot then meditate
05:43 Druidic_Rifleman you loose the rest of the world
05:44 lwq1996 yup
05:44 Druidic_Rifleman when Carlos norman hathcock Won the us army precision rifle competition Wimbelton he was so intensely focused on where the shot landed that he didn't even know he'd one
05:44 Druidic_Rifleman BAMF should of gotten ythe medal of honor
05:45 Toastdude 01010111011001010010000001100010011101010110100101101100011001000010000001100001011101110110010101110011011011110110110101100101
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05:46 Toastdude Seroster
05:46 Seroster Toastie
05:46 BatSteve Avast, a wild Seroster appears
05:47 Seroster BatSteve, the surgery was a success1
05:47 BatSteve Congrats!
05:47 Katemonster ...?
05:47 Katemonster seroster is a girl now?
05:47 lwq1996 yup
05:47 Toastdude Yes Kate.
05:47 lwq1996 you didnt know he had a sex change every week?
05:48 Katemonster :D
05:48 Seroster Fuck you kate =P
05:48 Katemonster :D
05:48 Katemonster i <3 you too, swede.
05:48 Seroster BatSteve, I lost a screw in there, but other than that it went as expected.
05:48 lwq1996 he would need a strap on now :P
05:49 lwq1996 what surgery did you have?
05:50 * Toastdude should probably go to bed..
05:52 Seroster lwq1996, I replaced my brain with a dead frog.
05:52 sndwrx ha
05:52 Seroster Suddenly America makes sense to me.
05:52 sndwrx HA
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06:01 Toastdude Bye all
06:02 BatSteve bye toast!
06:02 Toastdude :)
06:02 BatSteve I suppose I could go to bed as well.  Not tired yet.
06:02 BatSteve Don't want to start a new project and then go to sleep, though.
06:10 Druidic_Rifleman hey batsteve
06:10 Druidic_Rifleman Do you think it's bossible to buy an F5 jet trainer?
06:10 BatSteve hey Druidic_Rifleman
06:10 BatSteve You mean like a simulator?  Or like an actual jet?
06:11 Druidic_Rifleman the one that if i crash i Dig my own grave
06:11 * Katemonster would like to remind everyone that the trainer version of an F-5 is not called an F-5, it's called a T-38
06:11 Katemonster yes, you can.  and you should.
06:11 Katemonster have fun with that.
06:11 BatSteve Sure you can
06:11 Druidic_Rifleman Whats the difrference between an F5 and a t38
06:12 BatSteve Thornton Aircraft is one group I know that restores them
06:12 BatSteve look them up
06:12 Druidic_Rifleman And i am not planning on crashing and dying
06:12 Katemonster single place versus tandem, weapons, slightly different nose shape
06:13 BatSteve Very few pilots who die in a crash planned to die in a crash.
06:13 Katemonster nasa uses them in spades as chase planes; also the main jet trainer of the USAF
06:13 Katemonster http://www.aviation-art.net/resized/f5t38profiles.jpg
06:13 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm
06:14 Druidic_Rifleman F5 looks cooller but t38 i could take a friend up with me
06:14 Katemonster t-38s are also a whole hell of a lot easier to come by.
06:15 Katemonster anyway
06:15 Katemonster i'm going to bed
06:15 Druidic_Rifleman Soooo step one set a goal in live Own a jet fighter...
06:15 Druidic_Rifleman Step two figure out how....
06:16 * Druidic_Rifleman puts on some kenny longings and rocks out
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06:19 Druidic_Rifleman Sound like a good plan Batsteve?
06:19 BatSteve Absolutely
06:19 BatSteve Go for it
06:19 BatSteve We'll go out and do some formation flying
06:19 BatSteve I've never done that before
06:20 Druidic_Rifleman That site does not list prices...
06:20 BatSteve Like many things, if you have to ask what the price is, you can't afford it.
06:20 BatSteve If I was taking a wild guess, I'd say probably in the neighborhood of a million dollars
06:21 Druidic_Rifleman Should i log some time in a CF18 flight simulator before considering flying lessons OR take flying lessens then log the simulator time
06:21 BatSteve In the united states, simulator time is not loggable unless it's with an instructor.
06:22 BatSteve I don't know what the regulations are there
06:22 BatSteve But if you've got access to one, go for it.
06:23 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm so if i brought you to the place with me would it count?
06:23 BatSteve Yep, it would count
06:23 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm wanna Come to toronto?
06:23 sndwrx haha
06:24 Druidic_Rifleman I'd love the idea of Low level flights
06:24 BatSteve Oh yeah.  They're fun
06:24 Druidic_Rifleman maybe Build some Dummy dumb bombs XD!!!
06:25 Druidic_Rifleman thats probly illegal...
06:25 Druidic_Rifleman I know my dad can shoot deer from a helicopter cause he has a handy capped parking permit
06:25 BatSteve Not in the USA.  "before dropping any object from an aircraft, the pilot in command must take precautions to prevent damage to any person or property on the surface"
06:26 BatSteve Which means, you can drop anything you want, as long as you're not gonna hurt someone or break something
06:26 BatSteve I haven't dropped a cinder block into a lake yet, but it's on the list
06:26 Druidic_Rifleman Soooo if i Had the land owners permission to Drop a Cement brick with Fins and a GPS on it on an old shed It's legal?
06:27 BatSteve Balloons filled with flour make neat explosions
06:27 BatSteve And yes, in the USA it is
06:27 Druidic_Rifleman :( i wanna immigrate....
06:28 sndwrx hahah hunting deer from a helicopter.
06:28 Druidic_Rifleman F that Dear hunting with lazer guided bricks froma jet fighter!!!!
06:28 BatSteve I remember someone dropping their Glock out of a Skyhawk, landing, picking it up, and firing off a magazine
06:28 BatSteve Just to prove that you can toss a Glock out of a plane and it'll still work.
06:29 Druidic_Rifleman 650 nautical miles
06:29 Druidic_Rifleman hmmm
06:29 Electricguy morning
06:29 BatSteve howdy Electricguy!
06:29 Electricguy :)
06:31 Druidic_Rifleman I can almost make grand rapids and back on 1 tank of gas
06:32 Druidic_Rifleman probly less If i fly ATCF
06:33 sndwrx You are a pilot, Druidic_Rifleman ?
06:33 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna learn and jets turn me on
06:33 Druidic_Rifleman I'd love stick time in an f14
06:34 Druidic_Rifleman I am guessing flkying an F5 or t38 to grand rapids Is not practical?
06:35 Seroster Morning Electricguy
06:35 Seroster How's norrland today?
06:35 Electricguy snowy, i guess
06:36 Seroster ew.
06:36 Electricguy i'm so glad that i don't live there :)
06:36 Seroster Yes you do...
06:36 Druidic_Rifleman .w yuma az
06:36 Seroster Evrything north of småland is norrland.
06:36 BotSteve "Yuma (Cocopah: Yuum) is a city in and the county seat[2]| of Yuma County, Arizona, United States." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma_az
06:36 BatSteve Depends on what you consider practical
06:36 Druidic_Rifleman .weather yuma
06:36 BotSteve Cover Unknown, 712℃, ?mb, (wind unknown) - KYUM 11:20Z
06:36 BatSteve If it's cost-effective, no, absolutely not
06:36 Druidic_Rifleman I'd save time
06:37 BatSteve If it's fast, sure
06:37 BatSteve if it's reliable, sure
06:37 Electricguy i live IN Småland.. so no, i don't live there :P
06:37 Druidic_Rifleman Not as fun as flying to winter Peg there are some nice moutains to fly through
06:37 Seroster Have you blown anything hot today, Electricguy? =D
06:38 sndwrx BatSteve: How fast can you travel a distance like that in a jet like Druidic_Rifleman is talking about?
06:38 Electricguy errrm, no?
06:38 sndwrx and at what approximate fuel expense?
06:38 Seroster .wa speed of f5
06:38 BotSteve Couldn't pull result from Wolfram Alpha
06:38 Seroster .g speed of f5
06:38 BotSteve Seroster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujita_scale
06:39 * Seroster headdesks
06:39 Druidic_Rifleman 858 mph
06:39 BatSteve That's max speed
06:40 BatSteve You wouldn't run flatout the entire way
06:40 BatSteve But let's say you did.
06:40 sndwrx So you're looking at like an hour transit time?
06:40 BatSteve .wa distance from toronto canada to Grand Rapids michigan
06:40 BotSteve distance->from->Toronto, Ontario, Canada, to->Grand Rapids, Michigan;319.9 miles;514.8 km  (kilometers);514762 meters;5.148&times;10^7 cm  (centimeters);277.9 nmi  (nautical miles);aircraft  (550 mph)->35 minutes, sound->25 minutes, light in fiber->2.4 ms  (milliseconds), light in vacuum->1.72 ms  (milliseconds), (assuming constant-speed great-circle path)
06:40 Druidic_Rifleman Oshawa
06:40 sndwrx Assuming one doesn't run it wide open the whole distance.
06:40 BatSteve oh
06:40 Druidic_Rifleman wouldn't fly out of person
06:40 BatSteve .wa distance from oshawa canada to Grand Rapids michigan
06:40 BotSteve distance->from->Oshawa, Ontario, Canada, to->Grand Rapids, Michigan;347.8 miles;559.7 km  (kilometers);559699 meters;5.597&times;10^7 cm  (centimeters);302.2 nmi  (nautical miles);aircraft  (550 mph)->38 minutes, sound->27 minutes 25 seconds, light in fiber->2.62 ms  (milliseconds), light in vacuum->1.86 ms  (milliseconds), (assuming constant-speed great-circle path)
06:40 Seroster BatSteve, PFT! You have gone SOFT MAN! Ofcourse you fly pedal to the metal all the way
06:40 BatSteve 350 miles, it'd probably take about 45 minutes
06:41 BatSteve because climb and descent add extra time
06:41 Druidic_Rifleman why wouldn't i fly all out mach 1.3 the whole way
06:41 Druidic_Rifleman ???
06:41 sndwrx Oh 350 miles.  I thought it was about twice that.
06:41 Druidic_Rifleman I'd Say 380 Cause of Lestard the bozo person airport
06:42 sndwrx Sheesh.  And to think it takes about two hours just to drive to the casino in Mount Pleasant.  :P
06:42 Seroster Lol
06:42 Seroster If you drive two hours to a slot machine you might have to admit you have a problem. =P
06:42 Druidic_Rifleman "Delta air lines your clear to approach Just as soon as A t38 Crosses your path"
06:42 BatSteve Druidic_Rifleman: Same reason you don't drive a car at top speed - worse fuel economy and greater wear on the engine
06:43 Druidic_Rifleman awww
06:43 Druidic_Rifleman But yeah a 1 hour commute
06:43 Seroster BatSteve, so... You can drive a car slower than top speed?
06:43 Druidic_Rifleman From my door to the lab
06:43 * Seroster makes a note for future reference
06:43 sndwrx I went to the casino with a group of friends about seven years ago or so from Grand Rapids.  Before that, I lived about 15-20 minutes away and that was at least 13 years ago.
06:44 Druidic_Rifleman I'd tottally Show up in a flight suit
06:44 Seroster You can show up in a flight suit if you just got off the bus too.
06:44 Druidic_Rifleman Depends what was the casseno
06:44 Druidic_Rifleman VS like 8 hours
06:45 Seroster .wa distance from malmö sweden to grand rapids michigan
06:45 BotSteve distance->from->Malm&ouml;, Sk&aring;ne, Sweden, to->Grand Rapids, Michigan;4157 miles;6691 km  (kilometers);6.691&times;10^6 meters;3613 nmi  (nautical miles);aircraft  (550 mph)->7 hours 30 minutes, sound->5 hours 27 minutes, light in fiber->31.3 ms  (milliseconds), light in vacuum->22.3 ms  (milliseconds), (assuming constant-speed great-circle path);0.17 ~~ 1 \/ 6
06:45 Seroster I broke the bot.
06:45 Seroster Righto, 6666km.
06:45 BatSteve Seroster: that's what I've heard from people more cowardly than myself
06:46 Seroster Kids today, eh?
06:46 BatSteve heh, no understanding them
06:46 sndwrx Oh you're not far from St Catharines, Druidic_Rifleman.
06:47 sndwrx I know people in St Catharines and Kitchener.
06:47 Seroster BatSteve, Assuming I can keep a constant speed of 3kph, how long would it take me to get from malmö to gr? xD
06:47 Seroster 2222hours, or is it too early for math?
06:47 sndwrx haha.
06:47 Seroster That's about a hundred days. xD
06:48 Seroster I should start walking, eh?
06:48 BatSteve Depends, how good are you at swimming?  Bring a snorkel
06:48 Druidic_Rifleman acros the pond
06:49 Druidic_Rifleman Could pick his ass up in ireland
06:49 Druidic_Rifleman I want a jet
06:49 Seroster I can walk 7kph, swimming 3
06:49 Seroster If I'm in ireland I'm not leaving mate. =P
06:50 Druidic_Rifleman i wonder how much a corperate logo On a T38 would be worth toa  geek group sponser
06:50 Seroster "Druidicrifleman? Never heard of h... *hick* him... Is he...  Err.. Another lil green bastard?.... I love you man... You've always supported me... *sobs*"
06:51 BatSteve Things I've learned:  When jumping across the pond, always fly Aer Lingus.  Get a flight with a stop in Ireland and visit the Guinness brewery.  Take the tour and get a free beer
06:51 Druidic_Rifleman I was tempted to See if Ontario gets enough steam to get a stock Car and let Highschool students run it manage it
06:51 Seroster cya folks, off to school, another day of dealing with complete morons.
06:52 Druidic_Rifleman Do you think 100 bucks To be associated with allow highschool students the chance to work on and compeat in stock car racing for a season who might not get a chance
06:52 Seroster^Away Cya battie =)
06:52 Druidic_Rifleman batsteve that means i need a 24 hour lay over
06:52 Druidic_Rifleman unless serostweer is sober and could take the stick legally
06:53 BatSteve so long Seroster^Away
06:53 Druidic_Rifleman though.... i wonder what the regs are for transporting booze in a get aircraft...
06:54 Druidic_Rifleman what if i got one of them dummies used for testing rollar costers and filled it with Jamesons whiskey...
06:54 Druidic_Rifleman would i be legally allowed to fly with that in the back seat
06:55 BatSteve That's a question for customs, not for me.
06:55 BatSteve There's nothing illegal about it in MY book
06:55 Druidic_Rifleman As long as i am sober what would they care....
06:55 BatSteve Beats me.  That's why I don't work for customs
06:56 Druidic_Rifleman But yeah
06:56 Druidic_Rifleman I have wanted a jet since the ride home from winterpef
06:56 Druidic_Rifleman Nice terain to do stupid shit at low level
06:58 Druidic_Rifleman But yeah what would you need to Have set up to drop a brick from a plane into "a lake"
06:59 BatSteve Um, a plane, a brick, and a lake
07:02 Druidic_Rifleman i have some bricks
07:02 Druidic_Rifleman Can you sign work planes out for personal use
07:02 BatSteve Yep
07:04 Druidic_Rifleman ... would they get mad if you dropped a brick from there plane?
07:05 BatSteve Probably not
07:05 BatSteve Probably think it was cool
07:08 BatSteve .t tgg
07:08 BotSteve Mon, 05 Dec 2011 03:08:26 TGG
07:08 BatSteve time to go
07:08 BatSteve night all
07:08 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm
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08:23 sndwrx can't
08:23 sndwrx sleep
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08:50 Ponko well well well
08:50 Ponko NFC North Champs NeWtoz......
08:50 Ponko lol
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09:02 Ycarene I watched the captains blog and there was hand wringing over having to use windows for movie streaming...
09:04 Ycarene Why not use hulu instead?
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10:51 Druidic_Rifleman any one around?
10:53 masterofmonks Maybe.
11:22 Monkeh Man, I killed another desk fan.
11:25 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmmm i wanna make a lazer guided brick...
11:26 Monkeh Druidic_Rifleman: Become a bricklayer and you can do that.
11:26 Druidic_Rifleman not that kinda brick
11:26 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna make a lazer guided Dummy bomb...
12:02 killakee how did you kill a desk fan ?
12:04 killakee <Monkeh> did it fall down ?
12:07 Monkeh killakee: No, bearing is failing.
12:07 Monkeh I kill them every six months or so
12:08 killakee :O are they always on or something ?
12:09 Monkeh Pretty much
12:09 killakee you live in a warm place then :)
12:09 killakee iv only killed a florstand fan.. by faling on it :P
12:10 killakee not a good idea
12:10 Monkeh killakee: This room is heated 24/7/365.
12:12 killakee lucky :)
12:14 Monkeh Not really. It gets very hot.
12:19 killakee :)
12:38 yNos ssshhh
12:38 yNos is too louds in her
12:43 Druidic_Rifleman whats up yNos
12:45 yNos nmuch
12:55 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmmmm I have expensive tastes...
12:56 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna F16...
12:56 Druidic_Rifleman i wonder if i can get one with the weapon systems removed....
12:57 Druidic_Rifleman I Found i could Commute from my house to the lab in an hour ish if i owned a T38 Supersonic jet trainer
12:57 Monkeh Druidic_Rifleman: You can't go supersonic though.
12:57 Druidic_Rifleman yeah thats Crusing at 550 miles an hpur
12:57 Druidic_Rifleman not 837
12:59 Druidic_Rifleman i'd actually have a Shorter commute then maglinvinn
12:59 Druidic_Rifleman and kidwell
13:01 Druidic_Rifleman ... they yNos???
13:04 Druidic_Rifleman there*
13:05 yNos am now
13:06 yNos am bouncing between work and irc ;)
13:07 Druidic_Rifleman cool...
13:07 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah nearly 400 mile commute
13:08 Druidic_Rifleman In 1 hour
13:08 Druidic_Rifleman ...
13:08 Druidic_Rifleman if i had an F38
13:09 Druidic_Rifleman I could be in the lab And start cooking lunch and have it ready at noon
13:12 yNos lol
13:13 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=0ufkwTM82e4
13:13 BotSteve Title: Why No One Invades Switzerland - YouTube
13:13 Druidic_Rifleman faster if i hamer down and open her up full speed
13:14 dbshortwave im an ass hole
13:14 dbshortwave an asshole
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman I wish the canadian government would provide me with ammo :(
13:15 yNos open'r up 'n make a boom
13:17 Druidic_Rifleman See what i am thinkign is we Sell Logo space on it to sponser's
13:17 yNos noshit, i wish we could get free ammo!
13:18 Druidic_Rifleman I wish the government would give me a gun
13:25 Druidic_Rifleman http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/hi-cap-freedom-index.htm this site has good articles
13:25 BotSteve Title: The "High Cap Freedom" Index
13:28 yNos Druidic_Rifleman is jewish?
13:28 Druidic_Rifleman Nope just open minded
13:28 yNos ahh
13:29 Druidic_Rifleman one of my covensisters familys jewish
13:29 Druidic_Rifleman I Saw 2a for the USA a while back and found they do really good work
13:29 * yNos is open to the concept of religion, was raised a lutherin, catholic, blackfoot, jew
13:30 Druidic_Rifleman you kinda look like my highschool shot teacher?
13:30 yNos eh?
13:30 yNos 2a for the usa?
13:30 yNos highschool shot teacher?
13:30 Druidic_Rifleman Shop*
13:31 yNos ah
13:31 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ury7SRLtNKE
13:31 BotSteve Title: 2A Today for the USA - Defend Your 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms - YouTube
13:32 yNos city folks are the main ones that have to worry about defending it.. i doubt it would work out well where i live ;)
13:33 dbshortwave i gotta slow my reading or slow my scrolling
13:33 yNos in my area, most people hunt and shoot..
13:33 yNos eh?
13:33 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm?
13:34 dbshortwave i was thumbing over some pictures
13:34 dbshortwave i see 'EAT A COCK COMPANY' when it was really EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
13:34 Druidic_Rifleman ands EVERY one needs to defend they're gun rights there are people who refuse to do so ibn canada and at best we're gonna do before i die is legalise using a pistol fortarget practise on private land
13:35 Druidic_Rifleman oooh yNos did you see the video i posted in photograpy
13:36 yNos erm
13:36 yNos link pls
13:36 Druidic_Rifleman http://thegeekgroup.org/forums/topic/some-kick-ass-kodachrome-footage/
13:36 BotSteve Title: Topic: Some kick ass Kodachrome footage | The Geek Group
13:36 Druidic_Rifleman a bunch of people Joiygasmed when chriss wore a kodachrom shirt sooo i thought people might find this interesting
13:38 yNos that was Moose's shirt ;)
13:38 Druidic_Rifleman Still
13:38 Druidic_Rifleman Did you look at That video yNos?
13:39 dbshortwave http://youtu.be/2jtd3GR38wo
13:39 BotSteve Title: Sean Morey - Dear Santa - YouTube
13:39 yNos i need to limit my youtubeing
13:39 yNos am at work ;)
13:40 Druidic_Rifleman ah
13:40 Druidic_Rifleman At work at work or telicommuting from the lab "at work"
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13:55 sndwrx yNos, that's an interesting mix.
13:56 yNos eh?
13:57 yNos each of my parents/step-parents are of a different religion
13:57 wannabe-zz my voice doesn't want to work properly....is that a problem for talking on the pone?
13:59 sndwrx I need to go to sleep.  It was pointless for me to attempt to work today.
13:59 wannabe1987 didn't you sleep last night?
13:59 sndwrx nope.
13:59 sndwrx little more than an hour, that's it.
13:59 wannabe1987 :(
14:00 sndwrx and have been sleeping terribly for the last two months is compounding the issue.
14:00 wannabe1987 gonna tell you the same thing i told Druidic_Rifleman....take melatonin.  (yes, druid, i realize it doesn't work for you)
14:01 yNos so why is it women are allowed to say "that is man work" but if a man says "that is woman work" we are assholes?
14:01 sndwrx And I offered suggestions on how to increase natural melatonin levels.
14:01 wannabe1987 right
14:01 sndwrx yNos: Because we are regardless?
14:01 wannabe1987 yNos: i don't know.  but i want one of the "men working" signs and make it say "women working" so i can put it in my kitchen
14:02 Seroster Today I learned how to plug in a potentiometer.
14:02 yNos the "Men Working" signs men men as un humans..
14:02 Seroster Please kill me.
14:04 yNos **mean men..
14:05 wannabe1987 unhumans?
14:05 sndwrx Smells like syrup and oranges in here.
14:05 wannabe1987 Seroster: why?
14:06 Seroster Because it's idiotic
14:06 Seroster I was troubleshooting a circuit for my classmate
14:06 Seroster I was a button, a lamp and a voltmeter.
14:08 sndwrx Complex circuit.  Are you in the advanced program?
14:11 * dbshortwave yawns
14:11 wannabe1987 hi
14:11 dbshortwave hi
14:13 Seroster sndwrx, yes...
14:13 Seroster And I was like "Erm... Forgot anything?"
14:13 Seroster First... You do not measure volt in series
14:13 Hackbat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM <3 the top comments
14:13 BotSteve Title: Queen - 'Don't Stop Me Now' - YouTube
14:13 Seroster Second, you use the holes "Com" and "V" for measuring volts, not V and A.
14:14 Seroster THIRD, it MIGHT HELP IF YOU GOT A POWER SOURCE
14:14 sndwrx Right.
14:14 sndwrx Please tell me this is a high school course.
14:15 sndwrx And the circuit was assembled by ... well I don't know, nevermind.
14:16 Hackbat a home ec student
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14:18 wannabe1987 ow
14:18 wannabe1987 why does it hurt to talk?????
14:19 sndwrx Drink orange juice and gargle salt water.
14:19 wannabe1987 i don't have OJ :(
14:19 Guardianzozo cold sore?
14:19 wannabe1987 no
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14:19 wannabe1987 i sang in church last night and allergies (i think)
14:19 sndwrx bummer.  Depending on why your throat is sore, that could worsen it anyway.  I just find it helps me no matter what.
14:21 Seroster sndwrx, This is college.
14:21 Seroster They are people who have made an ACTIVE choice to study to become electricians
14:21 sndwrx I thought you were in college, but I never knew your age so I wasn't positive.
14:21 Seroster We have been all over using a meter since august
14:21 Seroster I'm old for college. 19 year 1
14:22 sndwrx That's not old for the US, but then again we're slow and dumb here.
14:22 Seroster I dropped out since I was too tired of idiots, then I got out in the world and realized that the idiots had transformed... Into idiots with power.
14:22 sndwrx Sad realization, isn't it?
14:23 Seroster I understand Pekka Ovinen.
14:25 sndwrx So how long have you been in this class?
14:25 Seroster Since augus
14:25 sndwrx ...And you're beginning to build lamp circuits now?
14:26 sndwrx You're in the wrong school, buddy.
14:26 Seroster No im really not
14:27 Seroster Those people are slow learners
14:27 Seroster I have my phone full of pictures of them sleeping in class
14:27 Seroster When we are supposed to work on the computer the entire class turns into 180minutes of facebooking.
14:27 sndwrx Well I guess there's nothing wrong with being a slow learner, but come on.
14:27 sndwrx Should you talk to the professor about being partnered with someone nearer to your level?
14:28 Seroster I am
14:28 Seroster Still, we have to do five or so idiotic lamp circuits before going on to...
14:28 Seroster A DC MOTOR
14:28 sndwrx Should you skip a class or two in the electronics course so that you can get into something challenging?  Or is this class a requirement?
14:28 Druidic_Rifleman yNos your man work vs woman work is because of femifacism
14:29 Druidic_Rifleman MMMM irish bacon gravy
14:29 Seroster All classes are required
14:29 sndwrx ouch.
14:29 sndwrx No opportunity to comp out?
14:29 sndwrx Or whatever you may call it (take tests to prove comprehension and aptitude).
14:30 Druidic_Rifleman a bowl of bacon gravey is healthy right
14:31 Guardianzozo yes it is
14:31 Guardianzozo but you need to do shots of it
14:31 Druidic_Rifleman Ummm there is whiskey in it
14:34 dbshortwave ahhh streaming raido
14:34 dbshortwave radio*
14:34 Seroster sndwrx, All my teachers know I am a straight A student, but you cant take a test to prove it ALL
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14:36 Druidic_Rifleman Morning Niobe
14:36 Druidic_Rifleman I has bacon gravy for breakfast
14:36 sndwrx You're right, but for the elementary classes it seems like you could prove knowledge and breeze through it instead of wasting time and exhausting frustration.
14:36 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: Could be worse.
14:38 yNos Seroster: do you have a copy of the syllabus?
14:40 yNos if not, ask for a copy. design something that touches on all points of the syllabus. give the teacher all your notes and the final working design.
14:40 yNos move on
14:40 yNos your complacency is pissing you off
14:40 yNos do something about it.
14:42 dbshortwave my back is killing me thinking about dropping this tank
14:42 * dbshortwave crys
14:42 Seroster yNos, Bureocracy.
14:42 Seroster Wb niobe
14:43 wannabe1987 CaptainNiobe :)
14:43 CaptainNiobe g'day Seroster, wannabe1987... *hugs both* how are you?
14:43 wannabe1987 alive
14:44 CaptainNiobe just alive? :D
14:44 yNos Seroster: So it bugs you enough to whine about it, but not enough to do something?
14:44 yNos Hiya Niobe
14:44 Sgt_Lemming .tfwc brisbane
14:44 wannabe1987 my throat hurts.  and i'm supposed to job hunt which requires talkin
14:44 BotSteve 17°C?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Brisbane, AS!  'At least you aren't living in a small town in Alaska'
14:44 CaptainNiobe g'day yNos *hugs* how's it hanging?
14:44 yNos kinda droopy
14:44 Sgt_Lemming lo yNos
14:44 yNos this weather sucks
14:44 yNos hiya lemmy
14:45 Sgt_Lemming how's it going
14:45 yNos .tfw 49345
14:45 BotSteve 35°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Sparta, MI!  'Keep track of your local old people.'
14:45 yNos waiting for snow!
14:45 CaptainNiobe as lemming proved, it's pretty nice(ish) here... move to ausland, both of ya :P
14:45 yNos with snow comes ICE
14:45 killakee with ice goes Y
14:45 yNos If i could bring my daughter with me, i would
14:45 killakee ynos wroomwromm :)
14:45 producerbill2 where does bot Steve get it's info
14:45 yNos yupyupyupyup:D
14:45 producerbill2 ?
14:46 Sgt_Lemming with snow comes getting warm under the covers, which I lurve
14:46 Sgt_Lemming fucking sucks trying to sleep when it's hot
14:46 CaptainNiobe i sleep under a doona year-round, so... :D
14:46 Sgt_Lemming lie there with no blankets on going "it's too fscking hot!"
14:46 Seroster yNos, It bugs me enough to whine about, and it bugs me enough to try to do something, but since this is not made for people who already know their stuff there is no option but to grind my teeth and fuck around with a lightbulb.
14:46 Sgt_Lemming you have aircon CaptainNiobe
14:46 yNos Sgt_Lemming: i am happy you lack punctuation in that sentance..
14:46 Sgt_Lemming eh?
14:46 CaptainNiobe noo, lemming, i don't, just a fan...
14:47 Sgt_Lemming oh well
14:47 Sgt_Lemming concrete bunkers like yours tend to stay a bit cooler than a house like this
14:47 Sgt_Lemming and I just so happen to have the hottest bedroom in the entire fricking house
14:48 yNos Sgt_Lemming: fucking sucks, trying to sleep when it's hot. fucking sucks trying,  to sleep when it's hot
14:48 * Monkeh|Lap introduces Sgt_Lemming to the concept of aircon
14:48 CaptainNiobe been there, done that too, i used to live in an old queenslander that had been converted into apartments... i had the hottest place, but i also had air-con in that :P
14:48 Sgt_Lemming right...
14:48 Druidic_Rifleman My friends a lyer
14:48 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh, aircon costs money
14:48 yNos i always just went down into the basement.. always nice and cool down there.
14:48 Druidic_Rifleman She says a bowl of bacon gravy is not a healthy breakfast
14:48 Sgt_Lemming and real estates here charge a huge premium for places that have it
14:48 wannabe1987 yNos i don't want snow....
14:49 Sgt_Lemming no basemenet on 99% of houses here yNos
14:49 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Even I have aircon where I need it.
14:49 yNos wannabe1987: does that mean i can have your share?
14:49 wannabe1987 yes
14:49 yNos Sgt_Lemming: are you that close to sealevel?
14:49 Sgt_Lemming nope
14:49 Sgt_Lemming just not a common thing on houses in australia
14:49 yNos why not have maseemnts?
14:49 wannabe1987 houses in cali don't have basements either
14:50 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: If the water table isn't a problem there's no good reason not to have one.
14:50 CaptainNiobe queensland's weather is really too hot for basements, our traditional houses are high-set
14:50 yNos agreed
14:50 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh, it costs money to make one
14:50 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Not a whole lot more when you're building the place.
14:51 yNos can add 1/3rd depending on the layout of the basement..
14:51 Monkeh|Lap CaptainNiobe: Basements can stay quite cool even if it's hot outside.
14:51 yNos for an unfinished house..
14:51 CaptainNiobe but it's not queenslander tradition... lol...
14:51 Monkeh|Lap I spit on tradition. :P
14:51 yNos Seroster: make an analog computer for your teacher.. http://www.arthropodsystems.com/AnalogComputer/AnalogComputer1.html
14:51 BotSteve Title: Analog computer 1
14:53 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh/yNos, i think it's also largely to do with a lot of very clay'y soil here
14:53 Sgt_Lemming so most houses are built straight on top of a concrete slab
14:53 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: That's how I'd built a house on top of a basement.. ;)
14:54 Sgt_Lemming either that or up on stilts so they get a cool breeze under the house
14:54 Seroster yNos, I snapped today and made a logic timer control circuit diagram for my teacher.
14:54 CaptainNiobe hence teh high-set traditional queensland house
14:54 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Excavate, concrete slab, walls, concrete slab on top. Insulate and it's nice and cool all year round.
14:54 Sgt_Lemming eh
14:54 Sgt_Lemming dunno what the reasoning is
14:54 Sgt_Lemming just not prevalent here at all
14:54 Monkeh|Lap Shame
14:54 Monkeh|Lap Basements are awesome.
14:55 Sgt_Lemming this place is kinda built half into a hill side, and I've live in places on steep hills that were half underground on one side
14:55 Monkeh|Lap Proper ones are cool and dry, and you can make a lot of noise in a room with a concrete ceiling..
14:55 Sgt_Lemming heh
14:55 sndwrx Basements aren't as common in Florida as they are in Michigan.
14:55 Seroster yNos, Assuming 0.2seconds for a relay to pull I used 300 relays for a minute long timer.
14:55 Monkeh|Lap Only problem with basements is drainage
14:56 yNos sndwrx: that is because florida is less than a meter above sea level :P
14:56 Monkeh|Lap It's very hard to have non-pumped drainage in most locations
14:56 sndwrx That's what I figured.
14:56 sndwrx The sea level and sand.
14:56 yNos sand isnt that big of a deal
14:56 yNos just like clay
14:56 Monkeh|Lap Unless you can excavate for a soakaway and that's a really, really expensive option unless you're building a whole lot of houses
14:56 yNos or rock
14:56 CaptainNiobe god, i can imagine stink still around from january's floods if we had tons of basements... lol...
14:58 yNos Niobe: that is a drainage issue, a reason not to have a baseement.. depending on how often the flooding happens.
14:59 Monkeh|Lap Yes, if your area has floods, you don't want a basement.
15:00 CaptainNiobe yNos, the last flood we had that significant was in 1974 - and that flood was why wivenhow dam was bults (which didn't stop brissie going under in january)... otherwise, we have much smaller floods about once every few year (mush smaller though)
15:00 CaptainNiobe wivenhoe*
15:00 CaptainNiobe forgive my terrible spelling please lol
15:02 yNos noworries :D
15:03 CaptainNiobe in any case, i think iit's been revealed brisbane was built on a floodplain, so... lol...
15:04 Druidic_Rifleman LOL Ottawa Is built under a dam that if it whent would whipe out parlement with a 50 foot wall of watter
15:04 CaptainNiobe ouch lol
15:05 Druidic_Rifleman There would be enough warning for the oppossion leaders to Curse they will never lead the country befor parlement hill becomes allot flatter
15:06 dbshortwave bbl
15:06 CaptainNiobe we got 48 hours' warning... but i wonder how many figured out it was going to hit brisbane a week before it did, like i did...
15:07 wannabe1987 .tfw 49426
15:07 BotSteve 38°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Hudsonville, MI!  'Call your local travel agency and ask them if they're serious.'
15:07 wannabe1987 thats not cold....0 is cold!
15:09 Druidic_Rifleman well look at katrina Hey my house is 15 feet below Sea level and a huricanes comming
15:09 Druidic_Rifleman I am gonna stay here
15:12 CaptainNiobe the guy i was engaged to lives in tuscaloosa, alabama, and while they didn't flood, they got some tornados off katrina...
15:17 * CaptainNiobe wonders if she killed irc
15:18 * wannabe1987 thinks she should get her day startded :sigh:
15:21 Druidic_Rifleman why did you split up
15:23 CaptainNiobe long-distance relationships aren't easy to maintain, we were together 4 years and in the end it looked impossible we were ever going to get together in person... and, a few other reasons...
15:23 Sgt_Lemming http://www.fmylife.com/work/881347
15:23 BotSteve Title: FML: I was bored at my job at Home Depot. I got a bar code tattoo 3 weeks ago and thought it would be...
15:24 CaptainNiobe HAHA! good one, lemming! :D
15:25 * Sgt_Lemming nods
15:25 Druidic_Rifleman LMAO
15:26 Druidic_Rifleman Couldn't decide who should move?
15:26 Sgt_Lemming http://www.fmylife.com/intimacy/560138
15:26 BotSteve Title: FML: my 11 year old brother walked in on me sitting on my boyfriend's ass and giving him a back massage....
15:26 yNos how is that bad?
15:26 sndwrx Read the comments on the barcode tattoo story.
15:26 Sgt_Lemming it's amusing though
15:27 sndwrx Idiocy runs so rampant in society now, I have difficulty telling when someone is trolling or just plain fucking stupid.
15:27 Druidic_Rifleman LMAO
15:27 CaptainNiobe some of the comments i think need to be moderated... there's no need forthe name calling
15:27 wannabe1987 i don't understand people
15:27 * yNos cant get to that site.. myabe for the better
15:28 Druidic_Rifleman I have had a person who Is mentally deranged argue they had a right to advovate using paramilitary forces to rob me of my property at gun point because i disagreed with them
15:28 sndwrx yNos: It's for the better.  Your IQ lowers a point for every story you read.
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15:29 sndwrx yNos: And two points for every comment read.
15:29 Sgt_Lemming sndwrx, ah so the truth comes out about your negative IQ :-P
15:29 sndwrx Sgt_Lemming: That's only because I broke the scale which they use to measure.
15:30 sndwrx You know, like when numbers get too big in shoddy C programming on a 32-bit system.
15:31 * yNos sits back and yawns
15:31 yNos time to put some more music on..
15:32 * yNos starts the kmdfm playlist he was listening to on friday.
15:32 yNos or was it thurs?
15:32 yNos i <3 youtube playlists
15:32 sndwrx KMFDM fan, huh?
15:32 sndwrx I haven't really heard anything of theirs since Nihil and, uh...
15:33 Sgt_Lemming yNos, is that the one I linked you to?
15:33 yNos i listen to a lot
15:33 sndwrx I can picture the cover, can't remember the album name.
15:33 yNos all sorts of stuff. i just need something a little heavier today
15:34 yNos Sgt_Lemming: nah, this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVl9oPW2so&amp;feature=autoplay&amp;list=PLE62FB65D375A44E0&amp;lf=results_main&amp;playnext=5
15:34 BotSteve Title: KMFDM - Godlike - YouTube
15:34 yNos i was listening to an Eath/Om/Sunn_O((( mix
15:34 yNos earlier
15:35 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIR1KfKXH6s&amp;feature=results_main&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=PL5F23EF6B105D6208
15:35 BotSteve Title: Sunn O))) - It Took The Night To Believe - YouTube
15:35 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ism2I3HCGU
15:35 BotSteve Title: Combichrist - This Is My Rifle - YouTube
15:35 yNos that one is just sunn_o))))
15:36 sndwrx Awesome, there's a Justin Bieber song in the recommended videos.
15:37 * sndwrx clicks.
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15:40 killakee sounds like sigurros
15:41 wannabe1987 i heart sigur ros.  seeing them live rocked
15:41 killakee <wannabe1987> you serious ? ...
15:41 killakee i envy you
15:41 wannabe1987 about seeing them live?  yep
15:41 killakee mhm
15:42 killakee love them
15:42 wannabe1987 i listen to them nightly to fall asleep....
15:42 killakee kind of music i sleep to :)
15:42 killakee hehe ditto
15:44 * killakee hates his back :(
15:44 wannabe1987 get a new one!
15:45 * killakee is getting old XD
15:45 wannabe1987 REPO has a warehouse full!  just don't forget to pay up! :P
15:45 killakee haha would love that XD
15:46 wannabe1987 lol
15:46 wannabe1987 pay up or the repo man will come and get you!
15:47 sndwrx Wish I had a seat heater in this desk chair.
15:47 wannabe1987 hack one?
15:47 sndwrx I would, but it's not my chair.
15:48 killakee electric blanket ;)
15:49 killakee does wounders :)
15:49 wannabe1987 i know...i sleep with one :D
15:49 sndwrx I would only need to come up with a 12v power supply.  I already have a seat heater kit.
15:49 sndwrx Electric blanket is too obvious, I hadn't thought of it.
15:50 sndwrx But I don't have one anyway.  :P
15:51 sndwrx And I'm not cold, it just sounds cozy right now since I'm tired and have a headache.
15:54 wannabe1987 car battery? (for your power supply)
15:55 sndwrx Would work.  I'd need a way to keep it charged though.
15:55 wannabe1987 charge it at night with a car battery charger?
15:55 sndwrx I used to have a 12A or 14A power supply.  Don't know if I still do.
15:56 yNos i have been thinking about setting up grip heaters on my street bike..
15:57 wannabe1987 http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/12/the_romantics_will_headline_ho.html  the concert for the GR ball drop
15:57 BotSteve Title: The Romantics will headline Hot-FM's fourth New Year's Eve Party downtown | MLive.com
15:57 wannabe1987 i'll probably attend if i'm in town....i was in florida last year
15:57 sndwrx Grip warmers are nice.
15:58 yNos if we are doing a ball-drop ceremony at tgg, i wonder if drinks wil be allowed?
15:59 wannabe1987 "requires high beams ('brights') that are sufficient to reveal persons and vehicles at least 350 feet away"  I don't think my brights go that far....oops
15:59 wannabe1987 o and i want to fix my upper brake light  hmmmmm
15:59 sndwrx Your high-stop doesn't work?
16:00 wannabe1987 the one in my back window burnt out
16:00 * sndwrx nods.
16:00 sndwrx Easy fix.
16:00 wannabe1987 yeah
16:00 wannabe1987 parts cost $$ PP
16:00 wannabe1987 :P*  maybe i can get dad to throw that in w/ the serpentine belt :P
16:00 wannabe1987 which reminds me....when can you do that?
16:01 sndwrx Little bulbs like that are too expensive now.  It's ridiculous.
16:01 sndwrx I don't know.  I may be available Wednesday.
16:02 wannabe1987 ok
16:03 tonsofpcs egrsteve|away: http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/111201schneider/  -- TGG needs one of these tied to a red button to confuse people :D
16:03 BotSteve Title: Schneider Electric
16:03 sndwrx I'm planning on going to the concert at Calvin, Wednesday evening.  I may not go to Greenville that day.
16:03 wannabe1987 i think my friend is playing in it....
16:03 wannabe1987 (flute)
16:05 sndwrx cool.
16:06 yNos hmm.. need a way to auto-load thumper/stopmer
16:06 Sgt_Lemming lol
16:07 yNos tonsofpcs: that would be the fun way to trigger thumper remotely.
16:07 Sgt_Lemming rapid fire destruction?
16:07 yNos it takes a about 30 seconds to charge thumper..
16:08 Sgt_Lemming that's still decently fast
16:08 yNos have a comparater triggered charging system.
16:08 yNos push button to start, discos the charging circuit when 1800v
16:09 yNos BOOM
16:09 yNos hehe
16:12 * yNos is thinking about bosnian lunch.
16:12 yNos 28th/buchanan for those interested.
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16:16 kristopher hai
16:16 wannabe1987 i'm broke, yNos :(
16:16 wannabe1987 hi kristopher
16:20 kristopher oh no
16:20 kristopher u cant be broke
16:20 kristopher only im broke
16:21 kristopher if we don't kid ourselves, well be the leaders of a messed up generation, if we dont kid ourselves, will they believe us if we tell them the reason why? did we take it to far? take it to far? did we chase the rabbit into wonderland? heres a hundred grand will they understand, it was all to stay away from the longest.........
16:22 tonsofpcs yNos: I wouldn't use it for HV, as then you're not positioned to turn it off.
16:22 Druidic_Rifleman i think red held the most broke record
16:22 tonsofpcs I'm broken, but not broke (at least, not right now)
16:23 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs: broken?  how....
16:23 tonsofpcs yNos: bosnian? we don't have anything that fancy around here.  Heck, we can't even sustain a decent deli
16:23 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: sick, headache, etc.
16:23 wannabe1987 oooo
16:23 yNos bosnian place is a deli
16:23 yNos and a store
16:24 tonsofpcs cool, bring me something?
16:24 yNos and a cafe
16:24 wannabe1987 i don't have fs anymore either....they disappeared :(
16:24 tonsofpcs although apparently a reently lopened deli here has boars head stocked.  I need to go visit and get some good pastrami :D
16:25 tonsofpcs now if only I could get some matzo ball soup
16:25 yNos you must have never had real pastrami.
16:26 yNos there is a place in MountPleasant that makes sandwich meat.
16:26 yNos their pastrami is the best..
16:26 yNos pastrami heart on a rye bagle with dark mustard ftw
16:29 tonsofpcs oh, I've had real pastrami.  I grew up 10 miles outside NYC.
16:30 yNos ;)
16:30 tonsofpcs Boars Head First Cut is the closest you get without doing it yourself :-p
16:30 yNos boars head is a briney mess compared to the real stuff ;)
16:30 yNos yah the place in MP is a mom-and-pop kinda place.
16:31 tonsofpcs tell ya what, fly to NYC, go to Katz's, get me a pastrami on rye, and drive it up here?
16:31 yNos time for bosna.
16:31 tonsofpcs as far as I'm concerned, https://www.foodhoppers.com/products/10004.jpg is not pastrami.
16:31 tonsofpcs http://www.labriolaitalianmarkets.com/prodimages/First%20Cup%20Pastrami%20Brisket%207.99%20a%20pound.jpg is.
16:32 tonsofpcs also, I'm lucky that I'm not so far north that they don't have deli mustard.  Where I went to school, the darkest the mustard got was french's yellow.
16:34 tonsofpcs they also tried serving us corned beef rolled in pepper as pastrami....
16:36 tonsofpcs note that this was a SUNY school so at least 40% of the population was from long island.... suffice to say that the pastrami didn't "sell" too well.
16:38 wannabe1987 job interview at 2:30pm tomorrow in grandville MI :D
16:43 NeWtoz time to drive dear detroit
16:43 NeWtoz near*
16:43 wannabe1987 o.O
16:44 wannabe1987 come back in one piece!
16:44 NeWtoz it's going to be a long driving day
16:44 NeWtoz I hope so
16:44 NeWtoz If I come back in time, the friend that I'm picking up and I will head to tgg for him to check it out
16:46 sndwrx I'm not sure that I've ever had Bosnian food.
16:46 * NeWtoz hits the raod
16:46 NeWtoz road
16:46 sndwrx I do miss the Venezuelan and Colombian places in Orlando, though.
16:47 wannabe1987 we shall go to chez olga sometime for haitian food :D  sometimes the haitian church has a meal afterwards of haitian and american food, but chez olga's food is awesome
16:47 sndwrx I had already forgotten about that place.
16:47 sndwrx Sounds good though.
16:49 sndwrx Apparently people in Greenville don't buy hummus too much.  Only got this a few days ago, and the expiration is December 1.
16:49 sndwrx Excellent.
16:50 wannabe1987 lol
16:50 wannabe1987 i can't see peoplein greenville eating hummus
16:50 wannabe1987 and i do have a job interviw tomorrow....w00t
16:50 sndwrx I just opened it.  I'm going to eat it anyway.
16:50 wannabe1987 as long as its not fuzzy i think you're ok
16:51 wannabe1987 tonights agenda:  eat dinner at parents house (no food or dishes here....) and then come back here and UNPACK/put away stuffs
16:51 sndwrx This stuff doesn't grow hair.  I found some in someone's refrigerator once that was nearly a year past expiration.
16:52 wannabe1987 see, i dnot eat hummus a lot either....mainly cuz mom doesn't buy it a lot :P
16:52 sndwrx I eat it fairly often.
16:53 sndwrx My absolute favorite is some kind of barley and bean salad from Mediterranean Island.
16:53 wannabe1987 if its got garlic i like it :P
16:54 sndwrx That's what my mashed potatoes were missing on Thanksgiving!
16:54 sndwrx Geez I can't believe it.
16:55 wannabe1987 ...
16:55 wannabe1987 ours had lumps :(
16:55 sndwrx Mashed potatoes are supposed to be lumpy.
16:56 wannabe1987 :shakes head:  no, no they are not
16:56 wannabe1987 i don't want to chew them!
16:56 * sndwrx nods.
16:56 sndwrx Pudding is supposed to have a few little lumps, too.
16:56 sndwrx What, you want to suck them through a shake straw?
16:57 sndwrx They're called mashed potatoes, not creamed potatoes.  :P
17:00 dbshortwave ok
17:00 dbshortwave got pump and tank
17:00 wannabe1987 ...
17:00 wannabe1987 anyway
17:00 wannabe1987 i reallllly need to apply for a few jobs today o.O
17:00 wannabe1987 means i need to actually *gasp* leave the house
17:00 wannabe1987 now that my face is "all done up" aka eyeshadow applied
17:00 dbshortwave yeah i need to look for one too
17:00 wannabe1987 and i'm dressed
17:01 wannabe1987 in appropriate clothing :P
17:01 wannabe1987 i'm leaving my computer here o.O
17:01 dbshortwave k
17:01 wannabe1987 so that means i have to come home straightaway after dinner
17:01 wannabe1987 heheh
17:01 dbshortwave lol
17:01 wannabe1987 because my room needs to be UNPACKED
17:01 wannabe1987 its starting to bug me........
17:02 wannabe1987 but i need my shelving unit from my parents house and a chair from there too
17:02 wannabe-afk bye
17:02 dbshortwave bye
17:04 wannabe-afk theres ammo down here
17:04 Druidic_Rifleman what caliber?
17:09 Sgt_Lemming http://www.fmylife.com/kids/4308181
17:09 BotSteve Title: FML: I was picking my daughter up at day care. She was outside playing kick ball. A red ball rolls over...
17:11 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   First Thumper Test - Winter 2000 http://youtu.be/HavRvqqSJJE
17:13 BatSteve yay new video!
17:17 Sgt_Lemming http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/7420693 <--- LOL!
17:17 BotSteve Title: FML: I found out my little sister was a stripper. At the same time, she found out that when I said I was...
17:27 dbshortwave oh god
17:27 dbshortwave that cant end well
17:28 BatSteve back in a second
17:28 BatSteve or three hundred seconds
17:28 dbshortwave hb
17:31 Druidic_Rifleman LOL lemming the cake one takes the cake
17:33 tonsofpcs ?
17:37 dbshortwave i like the "cake is a lie!"
17:37 dbshortwave lol
17:39 sndwrx "Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test."
17:40 sndwrx "This is your fault.  I'm going to kill you.  And all the cake is gone.  You don't even care, do you?
17:40 astro73|alice sndwrx: you're adopted and that's terrible.
17:40 sndwrx I guess Portal has been the exception to something I said the other day about how seldom I play games.  Portal and Portal 2 had me pretty entertained for a couple days.
17:41 sndwrx haha astro73|alice
17:41 killakee portal 2 is just <3
17:46 astro73|alice Did you save science?
17:53 sndwrx Unbelievable.  You, [subject name here], must be the pride of [subject hometown here].
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17:54 sndwrx Have I lied to you?
17:54 sndwrx ... I mean, in this room?
17:55 BatSteve As part of a required test protocol, we will stop lying to you in five...four...thrGRRRRRRRNNNNKKKKKKKK...Thank you.
17:55 sndwrx haha
17:56 sndwrx Okay this one isn't from memory, I had to look it up.  But it's funny anyway!
17:58 sndwrx "There was even going to be a party for you.  A big party that all your friends were invited to.  I invited your best friend, the Companion Cube.  Of course, he couldn't come because you murdered him.  All your other friends couldn't come, either, because you don't have any other friends because of how unlikable you are.  It says so right here in your personnel file: 'Unlikable.  Liked by no one.  A
17:58 sndwrx bitter, unlikable loner, whose passing shall not be mourned.  Shall NOT be mourned.'  That's exactly what it says.  Very formal.  Very official.
17:58 sndwrx It also says you were adopted, so that's funny, too."
17:59 * sndwrx snickers.
17:59 sndwrx I hope that didn't come across as 11 lines in your client like it did mine.  Of course, I have my width set somewhat low, anyway.
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18:01 yNos back
18:01 sndwrx wb.  How was Bosnian lunch?
18:01 yNos yummy
18:01 yNos $8 for a meal that will last till breakfast.
18:02 sndwrx I'm guessing you're in GR and not Sparta.
18:02 yNos yup
18:02 yNos back at 44th/eastern now
18:02 * sndwrx nods.
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18:03 sndwrx hm.  I might have to put together a machine that can play Portal.
18:04 sndwrx "That thing is probably some sort of raw sewage container.  Go ahead and rub your face all over it."
18:05 sndwrx "That thing you burned up isn't important to me; it's the fluid catalytic cracking unit.  It makes shoes for orphans... nice job breaking it, hero."
18:05 sndwrx haha
18:05 CaptainNiobe anyone any good at cheering someone up? lol...
18:06 sndwrx hi CaptainNiobe
18:06 CaptainNiobe hi sndwrx
18:06 sndwrx How are ya?
18:06 BatSteve hi CaptainNiobe!
18:06 CaptainNiobe ... you had to ask lol
18:06 CaptainNiobe hey BatSteve :)
18:07 BatSteve heya
18:08 CaptainNiobe i just has low self esteem atm, feeling like a failure... especially in light of what i *used* to do before i got addicted to playing games... :(
18:08 yNos /hug
18:08 CaptainNiobe thanks yNos... wish it was for real though... :)
18:09 BatSteve Are the games fun?
18:09 CaptainNiobe simcity 4, the sims 2, minecraft, howrse, rollercoaster tycoon 3, zoo tycoon... yeah... lol...
18:09 sndwrx Sorry to hear that CaptainNiobe.
18:10 sndwrx What were you doing to occupy your time before playing games?
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18:10 CaptainNiobe it's ok sndwrx... :)
18:11 yNos so what do you do outside of games?
18:11 yNos and irc :P
18:11 BatSteve Ooh simcity 4!
18:11 BatSteve I have that!
18:11 * BatSteve fires up simcity 4
18:11 KB3NZQ_Biostar cprossu do you have a service manual for a technics sl-mc7 ?
18:11 CaptainNiobe before the games, i was making music on a vst, writing stories (which i was terribly good at - ask SparkyProject, he'll tell of my talent), writing webpages (HTML and CSS, never learn other languages), things like that... creative things...
18:12 CaptainNiobe SparkyProjects* oops...
18:12 sndwrx Sounds pretty cool.  Why don't you start working on things like that again?
18:13 CaptainNiobe i want to, but then i start on a game... :-\
18:13 yNos when i my daughter's mom left me, i kinda went through an everquest addiction.. quit riding bike, quit coding, quit most social interactions..
18:13 yNos sucked
18:13 yNos then alcohol
18:13 * CaptainNiobe hugs yNos
18:13 sndwrx I can understand that.
18:14 yNos then decided it was done with all of that (other than the occasional alcohol)
18:14 yNos i can relate to having an addictiver personality
18:14 yNos and bouncing from thing to thing
18:15 sndwrx CaptainNiobe: Delete all the games from your computer.  Or, a less drastic approach, set timers.  Only allow yourself an hour a day, or something.
18:15 BatSteve CaptainNiobe: burn your savegames to a CD and mail it to a friend.  then delete the games
18:15 * yNos shouts loudly "*OOOHHH, A SHINEY!!***
18:15 BatSteve The key is to make it easier to do something else than to play a game
18:15 yNos right
18:15 sndwrx yep.
18:15 yNos that is what i was getting at ;)
18:15 CaptainNiobe i don't mind bouncing from thing to thing, i just wish i would be interested in doing the stuff i used to do, especially writing...
18:15 yNos what else do you like to do
18:15 egrsteve|away morning all
18:15 yNos STEVE!!
18:15 egrsteve|away YNOS!!!
18:16 CaptainNiobe hey ergsteve :)
18:16 BatSteve CAPSLOCK!!
18:16 killakee enny one know when la noir is out to pc ?
18:16 BatSteve killakee: it's on steam right now, I think
18:16 BatSteve .g steampowered la noire
18:16 BotSteve BatSteve: http://store.steampowered.com/app/110800/
18:16 killakee thankyou :D
18:17 yNos egrsteve|away: so are you going to tgg tonight to help unload?
18:18 egrsteve|away maybe idk, depends if I can get this code to work
18:18 CaptainNiobe www.niobe132004.net i made that from scratch, hasn't been updated for a while... an older story of mine is in there along witha  couple of poems... never finished any other stories, so none posted...
18:18 CaptainNiobe this is the stuff i USED to do...
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18:27 sndwrx CaptainNiobe: Very cool.  BatSteve had a good, and less drastic, suggestion.  :)
18:27 sndwrx You may begin to feel better if you take up the fulfilling activities you once had.
18:28 CaptainNiobe my site isn't good, it's... average...
18:28 BatSteve it doesn't say "GeoCities" on it, therefore, it's not bad
18:28 CaptainNiobe but i'm proud of it because i'm completely self-taught in html and css
18:29 sndwrx And that is something to be proud of.
18:29 CaptainNiobe BatSteve, i find using templates restrictive... i'd rather code a site how *i* like it instead of being restricted to what a template gives
18:30 CaptainNiobe i'd much rather be restricted by my own knowledge than anything enforced. at least i can always learn more.
18:31 BatSteve right
18:31 BatSteve all right, who here plays TF2?
18:31 CaptainNiobe not me lol
18:31 BatSteve And why has it been "Validating Steam files - 100% complete" for the last 10 minutes?
18:32 yNos rounding error.. md5ing a 20g file takes forever ;)
18:32 yNos dunno, just grasping
18:35 yNos anyone in .EU down for som subversive activities?
18:36 yNos well.. ebay assistance.
18:39 yNos for i in `cmviewcl|grep ci|tr -s " " |cut -d " " -f 2` ; do sudo cmhaltpkg $i ;done
18:39 yNos cd /oracle
18:39 yNos sudo umount /oracle/client_new
18:39 yNos sudo mv /oracle/client /oracle/client_orig
18:39 yNos sudo mv /oracle/client_new /oracle/client
18:39 yNos sudo mv /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.99011.orig
18:39 yNos cat /etc/fstab.99011.orig | sed 's/client_new/client/' | sudo tee /etc/fstab
18:39 yNos sudo mountall
18:39 yNos wrong paste...
18:39 yNos for i in `cmviewcl|grep ci|tr -s " " |cut -d " " -f 2` ; do sudo cmmodpkg -e $i ;done
18:39 yNos shutdown -r now
18:39 yNos sorry
18:40 yNos too many windows open and not paying attn to my mouse.
18:40 BatSteve You should be!  Pasting things in this channel recklessly!  How could you!
18:40 BatSteve Some poor innocent bot could have seen that shutdown -r now message and committed suicide!
18:40 injektion Mmmm HPUX
18:40 mashpriborintorg and such code may be some poison for Botsteve
18:41 * sndwrx pats BotSteve on the head.
18:42 * yNos kicks botsteve
18:42 mashpriborintorg Seems that Liz is in the truck, heading to Detroit... donation pick up....
18:42 yNos yup
18:42 egrsteve|away BotSteve: shutdown -r now
18:42 mashpriborintorg what kind of stuff will it be, do you have any clue yNos ,
18:42 egrsteve|away BotSteve: shutdown\ -r\ now
18:43 yNos mashpriborintorg: it is from a TV station.
18:43 yNos i am not sure what specifically, but think it is studio related.
18:43 mashpriborintorg great, you did not have AV gear yet :p
18:43 yNos i know...
18:44 egrsteve|away but this might be different AV gear
18:44 BatSteve I blame you for this
18:44 egrsteve|away who?
18:44 BatSteve Either of you.  (:
18:44 yNos btw, Moose is Lis, Liz is Liz Stack, the girl up in AV/NLE
18:45 egrsteve|away and the girl up in AV/NLE is corey?
18:45 mashpriborintorg yeah sorry
18:45 yNos http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.m.stack
18:45 yNos yeah, (s)he is up there too
18:45 yNos http://www.facebook.com/cory.grzyb
18:45 mashpriborintorg ... or it is
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18:46 mashpriborintorg poor cory
18:46 yNos born in 1990
18:46 yNos kids
18:46 yNos damn
18:47 yNos for fellow michiganders.. http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-49534_50302_50326-192034--,00.html
18:47 BotSteve Title: SOS - Mechanic Study Guides
18:47 yNos stoopid - to be a state certified mechanic, you have to be a good test taker
18:47 yNos and have $6 per test
18:47 yNos and $12/year for the cert to hang in your business.
18:48 yNos pass 5 tests and you can call yourself a master mechanic.
18:48 egrsteve|away wow, sounds almost impossible
18:48 yNos find a sample test.
18:49 yNos omg
18:49 yNos stooperstimple
18:49 yNos if you have a general knowlege of how a car works, you can pass the tests because the answers answer themselves.
18:49 egrsteve|away ynos you know much C?
18:50 yNos a little
18:50 yNos you need the K&R?
18:50 egrsteve|away K&R?
18:50 Electricguy i'm working on a 4 bit binary to BCD decoder and then it's hooked to a BCD to 7 segment display decoder to display the binary value with a digit in minecraft... XD
18:51 egrsteve|away no, just having issues with a if with conditional based on values in an array of structures
18:51 Electricguy takes a while.. :P
18:51 Electricguy need a break from it now, lol XD
18:51 yNos egrsteve|away: grab the computer books in here on my machine: /mnt/0a/MUSIC/BOOKS/languages-human+computer
18:51 egrsteve|away ok
18:51 yNos you should be able to sftp into the machine.
18:51 yNos from your handy-dandy cli
18:52 yNos C++ Primer Plus (4th Edition).chm                          Learn Chinese Mandarin In The Car                          Wiley, Beginning Unix.pdf
18:52 yNos Embedded FreeBSD Cookbook (2002).pdf                       System Administration                                      Wiley.Operating.System.Concepts.7th.Edition.pdf
18:52 yNos Kernighan-and-Ritchie-The-C-Programming-Language.pdf       Wiley, Beginning Shell Scripting.pdf
18:52 yNos Kernighan-and-Ritchie-The-C-Programming-Language.pdf is the one
18:53 egrsteve|away thanks
18:53 yNos no worries.
18:55 yNos the System\ Administration dir might be usefull too
18:55 yNos well
18:55 egrsteve|away ok
18:55 egrsteve|away k
18:55 yNos the Mac OS dir below that...
18:56 yNos that dir should be called MEDIA rather than MUSIC.. but things grow in directions we dont expect.
18:57 egrsteve|away understandable
18:57 yNos either way, the MUSIC dir is full of interesting things.
18:59 egrsteve|away it's not like K&R are C experts
18:59 egrsteve|away (or wrote it)
19:00 yNos right, they are a bunch of nobodies
19:00 yNos i never made a dime off adminning anything of theirs.
19:18 egrsteve|away hmm, this code should  work
19:21 egrsteve|away can you mix c and C++ source file in a program?
19:22 egrsteve|away the linker should just link all the compiled files no regard to original type
19:22 egrsteve|away although most c is valid c++
19:24 egrsteve|away everything in the if statement it a uint8_t so I should not have a type casting issue
19:24 Monkeh egrsteve|away: Surely the question is 'should you?'
19:24 egrsteve|away should I?
19:25 egrsteve|away I am writting some arduino stuff a
19:25 egrsteve|away and I prefer C vs C++ which the included libraies are written in
19:25 Monkeh Ah, what fun.
19:25 * Monkeh ponders why anyone would choose C++ for that
19:26 egrsteve|away and it isn't doing what I expect
19:26 egrsteve|away I have no idea why they based it on c++
19:26 egrsteve|away although the code is simple enough it could go either way
19:27 Monkeh It's an arduino
19:27 Monkeh If it can run, it's simple.
19:27 egrsteve|away right now I'm concidering it an atmel 3228
19:27 egrsteve|away and ignoring a bit of therer abstraction
19:27 egrsteve|away *atmel 328
19:29 egrsteve|away I'm looping though a lookup table till I find a match, but the match is not found when it should be
19:29 egrsteve|away I think it's time for a break
19:33 egrsteve|away botsteve: breaktime
19:34 egrsteve|away oops did I really kill the bot (or is basteve still lurking)
19:34 egrsteve|away as that should only work from him
19:34 egrsteve|away .seen batsteve
19:34 BatSteve (:
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19:35 egrsteve|away aren't you full of fun today
19:35 egrsteve|away (he didn't say good night here)
19:41 yNos when did the bot die?
19:41 yNos 'bout an hour ago
19:41 yNos huh
19:44 yNos i wonder what it would take to make a drone metal album?
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19:44 yNos 60 minutes of noise..
19:44 yNos i think i could do that.
19:44 CaptainNiobe 'night all... :)
19:44 yNos dense layering of guitar and bass.
19:44 yNos maybe piano
19:45 yNos or synth for texture
19:45 yNos light percussion, mainly cymbal crecendos
19:46 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfr7-xKbq0U
19:46 BotSteve Title: Sunn O))) with Boris - N.L.T. - YouTube
19:47 yNos as an example
19:48 yNos need a noisy germanium distortion pedal.. ala classic MigMugg PI
19:48 yNos **BigMuff PI
19:48 Rodsur drone metal, eh? never really heard of that genre before
19:49 Rodsur but that piece of music you linked is strangely attracting
19:49 yNos been around since mid-90s at least.
19:50 yNos am guessing a hollow body electric would work best for low end sustain/feedback..
19:51 Rodsur sounds about right
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19:52 yNos BILL
19:52 producerbill2 so made today
19:52 yNos how'd it go?
19:52 Av_Nekoroms grr refurbished cnc mill ebay stalking <<33
19:52 producerbill2 how did what go?
19:52 Av_Nekoroms 90 dollars price now
19:52 Av_Nekoroms without electronics
19:53 yNos damn
19:53 yNos producerbill2: life
19:53 yNos in general
19:53 yNos how is it?
19:53 producerbill2 ok.
19:53 Av_Nekoroms Working area: XYZ Axis: 230x210x50mm (9"x8.3"x2")
19:53 Av_Nekoroms great for small stuf
19:53 producerbill2 I have just had a bad day
19:53 producerbill2 bad news from the NWS
19:53 yNos yeah?
19:54 yNos you still have a job?
19:54 producerbill2 yes,,,  it is a long story
19:55 yNos i got time if you wanna vent.
19:55 BatSteve National weather service?
19:55 yNos yup
19:55 producerbill2 the nws supplies weather services for the Caribbean.
19:55 Av_Nekoroms nationwide wife swapping..(really bad joke)
19:56 producerbill2 thing like base station, weather balloons, and more.
19:56 producerbill2 we where in the running to supply the weathe base stations, and sensors
19:58 yNos were being past tnse.
19:58 producerbill2 al the last moment another foreign company jumped in and won the contract
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19:58 producerbill2 ya this happen 2 mouths go
19:59 yNos how is that making today a bad day?
20:00 producerbill2 today we found out that the nws help this company to fullfill the contract.... THIS IS SOMETHING THEY WOULD NEVER DO FOR US!!!
20:00 producerbill2 so pissed
20:00 yNos ahh
20:00 cheese nws?
20:01 yNos so it was like an insider trading deal
20:01 Av_Nekoroms cheese: look up about 15 lines
20:01 producerbill2 it makes me want to write a malware package that would shutdown the recievers we installed and that they are using
20:01 cheese i just joined, only have 9 lines to look at
20:01 yNos the competition had information available to them that made a govt contract more available..
20:02 producerbill2 I am that pissed
20:02 producerbill2 fuck the nws
20:02 yNos NWA?
20:02 cheese NWO?
20:02 cheese nws to me is national weather service...
20:02 yNos fuck the police
20:02 yNos :P
20:02 yNos NWA
20:03 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
20:03 BotSteve Title: N.W.A FUCK DA POLICE - YouTube
20:03 producerbill2 corrupt, useless, and don't want their vendors to be in the USA
20:03 producerbill2 thanks I am just pissed
20:03 cheese Av_Nekoroms: since i wasnt here "15 lines" ago, how about you tell me what i missed
20:04 producerbill2 I am just mad at the nws
20:04 yNos national weather service
20:04 cheese national weather service?
20:04 producerbill2 yes
20:04 cheese that seemed too obvious... weird. :)
20:04 producerbill2 lol
20:05 producerbill2 go to go,,,, work bs to work on
20:08 yNos http://www.facebook.com/SuicideGirls?sk=photos
20:08 yNos ohmy
20:08 BotSteve Title: Welcome to Facebook - Log In, Sign Up or Learn More
20:10 yNos why do people link me this much distration during work?!?!
20:10 yNos then i must share!
20:13 cheese anyone know why the live video link is in french?
20:14 yNos umm
20:14 yNos no
20:14 * yNos looks
20:14 yNos not in french here..
20:14 cheese rather the resulting website is in french
20:15 yNos all in ingrish here.
20:15 yNos http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup
20:15 BotSteve Title: Thegeekgroup on Justin.tv
20:15 yNos right?
20:15 cheese weird. maybe it does some kind of adress resolution
20:15 cheese http://fr.justin.tv/thegeekgroup#r=-rid-&amp;s=em
20:15 cheese thats what it links to for me
20:15 SparkyProjects Sometimes the site does that, change language
20:15 yNos GEO-IP resoloution
20:15 cheese this is directly off thegeekgroup.org/live-video
20:16 cheese and i'm totally not in frenchland
20:16 cheese but perhaps my isp is messing around
20:17 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMKJ9fDM2mo lol
20:17 BotSteve Title: LITERAL Skyrim Trailer - YouTube
20:17 yNos http://xkcd.com/713/
20:17 BotSteve Title: xkcd: GeoIP
20:17 SparkyProjects That's because the embed code doesn't work with the website, and someone didn't put the home link
20:18 cheese lol@ that xkcd
20:20 yNos ok
20:20 yNos time to roll
20:20 yNos later all
20:20 * yNos *waves crazy like*
20:21 SparkyProjects Cya :)
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20:44 BotSteve wannabe1987: remind email nord for music
20:45 producerbill2 ynos:  you at the lab today?
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20:54 reesk heya
20:56 BatSteve hi reesk
20:56 BatSteve how goes it?
20:57 reesk all good you
20:57 BatSteve Pretty good
20:57 BatSteve TF2 right now
20:57 BatSteve you?
20:57 reesk decided to have a drink cause i got my motorcycle in june and since then ive been unable to drink but tonight ive decided to lock away the keys and have a jd and coke
20:58 BatSteve Good deal!
20:58 BatSteve I prefer jack and sour
20:58 reesk whats that is it jack and cordial
20:59 BatSteve No, it's jack and sour
20:59 BatSteve .g sour mash
20:59 BotSteve BatSteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_mash
20:59 reesk ohh
21:00 reesk im confused now
21:00 reesk isnt sour mash what they make whiskey with
21:00 sndwrx Yeah, sour mash is the whiskey.
21:00 reesk so how do you readd it
21:00 sndwrx I think you mean sour mix, BatSteve.
21:00 BatSteve my mistake
21:00 BatSteve sour mix
21:00 reesk ahhhhhhh
21:01 masterofmonks Sour mix?
21:01 masterofmonks .wik sour mix
21:01 BotSteve "Sour mix is a mixer used in many cocktails." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_mix
21:01 reesk i was gonna say isnt sour when you add lime cordial to a drink like vodka sours
21:02 Ponko BOOZE
21:03 reesk ameretto and coke is nice too
21:07 reesk hmm ive had a idea for a arduino drink maker
21:08 reesk couple flow meters a pump some tubing could be a nice project
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21:11 BotSteve TOASTY!
21:15 * Toastdude is watching the Thumper first test from 2000 :D
21:18 egrsteve|away time for class
21:18 egrsteve|away :(
21:19 Toastdude Aw...
21:26 Hackbat Oh wow
21:26 Hackbat It's the internet's theme song
21:26 Hackbat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mghhLqu31cQ&amp;
21:26 BotSteve Title: The GAG Quartet - le Internet Medley (OVER 40 MEMES IN ONE SONG) - YouTube
21:32 Toastdude Haha, I saw that yesterday
21:33 Hackbat can't belive it took me NEARLY a month to find this
21:34 Toastdude Lol
21:51 Electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPx4IhPROXU&amp;feature=g-vrec
21:51 BotSteve Title: What to make with 2,400 74HC595's and some LCDs.... - YouTube
22:00 Av_Nekoroms Toastdude: woot chris put ?
22:00 Toastdude ...What?
22:00 Av_Nekoroms it out i was going to say :)
22:01 Toastdude Bye BatSteve
22:01 Av_Nekoroms (meaning the old thumper test)
22:01 Toastdude ...I'm really confused about what you're saying...
22:01 Av_Nekoroms i saw him speaking about it oncafebook
22:02 Av_Nekoroms *on facebook
22:02 Toastdude Ah..
22:02 Av_Nekoroms dang wireless keyboard
22:02 Toastdude lol
22:03 Av_Nekoroms i dunno what is wrong here but my wireless mouse works about 50cm away from receiver :)
22:03 Av_Nekoroms any further it just starts crapping out
22:04 Av_Nekoroms when i move to a new city i might buy me a nice new wireless mouse :)
22:04 Toastdude So is "woot chris put ?" what you meant to say?
22:05 Av_Nekoroms "woot chris put the video out"
22:06 Av_Nekoroms cause i saw your line where you said you were watching it :)
22:06 Toastdude Ah, okay :)
22:07 Av_Nekoroms 5 days away from having my own small cnc mill
22:08 Av_Nekoroms "hopefully"
22:08 Toastdude Wow, lucky..
22:09 Av_Nekoroms dunno if it does only wood or if it can be made to cut metal allso
22:09 Av_Nekoroms need atleast a decent spindle motor and make some reinforcements
22:10 Av_Nekoroms Toastdude: winning bid is now 90 dollars :)
22:10 Toastdude :D
22:10 Av_Nekoroms its only framework
22:10 Av_Nekoroms and i need to get electronics for it
22:10 dbshortwave DONE!
22:12 Av_Nekoroms it would cost here about 600-800 dollars for just the framework and rails :)
22:12 Av_Nekoroms so a manufacturer refurbished one works fine for me
22:13 egrsteve|away hmm
22:14 Av_Nekoroms and those linear bearings are hard to find around here
22:14 egrsteve|away whats for dinner
22:15 Av_Nekoroms egrsteve|away: get the bear grylls cookbook and you can eat whatever you find :)
22:15 * egrsteve|away is sitting in a clasroom
22:15 egrsteve|away soylent green in it?
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22:16 Av_Nekoroms maybe
22:16 egrsteve|away as thats all I have ingredeants for
22:16 Toastdude Hi Lee
22:16 lwq1996 so yeah my linux is fucked
22:16 egrsteve|away reinstall it
22:16 sndwrx What's wrong with it, lwq1996 ?
22:17 Av_Nekoroms lwq1996: how did you do that :)
22:17 egrsteve|away backup your home dir via live CD and reinstall
22:17 sndwrx It's a Wubi installation.  lwq1996 will have to mount the file container to access it.
22:18 egrsteve|away ah, should be able to mount it from a running linux still
22:18 * sndwrx nods.
22:19 sndwrx I don't remember the full mount command, as I haven't done it in probably at least two years... But it's pretty simple.
22:20 dbshortwave god my hands hurt
22:20 sndwrx Ah, right:  mount -o loop /path/to/ubuntu/root.disk /mnt/path/
22:21 egrsteve|away that looks about right
22:21 sndwrx Can't believe I couldn't remember that, but I'm a little sleep deprived so my brain absolutely refuses to work today.  :)
22:22 egrsteve|away it's ok
22:22 sndwrx How's your Arduino shield coming along?
22:23 egrsteve|away it's coming, the schedule function doesn't want to work right
22:23 egrsteve|away i think its not liking my structure
22:23 sndwrx lwq1996: You around?  You can take the easy way out and reinstall, or you can learn about Linux and attempt to fix it.  Nothing lost if you can't repair it and have to reinstall, anyway.
22:23 sndwrx oh
22:23 sndwrx The schedule that controls it according to time of day, day of week, etc?
22:24 egrsteve|away yes
22:24 * sndwrx nods.
22:24 reesk does anyone here work as a web desighner
22:24 egrsteve|away it as the ability for daily scheduals with a fallback to weekday/end if not day schedule is written
22:24 sndwrx CaptainNiobe|AFK has done some design.
22:24 reesk or a lawyer
22:24 lwq1996 im here
22:25 sndwrx What's up, reesk ?
22:25 sndwrx lwq1996: Time to get your hands dirty.
22:25 lwq1996 but im on the fence on just reinstalling it or trying to fix it
22:25 reesk im undertaking a project for a local church and i want them to sign a form that basically states that even though they own the website the intelectual property contained within it as far as source code belongs to me
22:26 sndwrx Oh.  You own the code, they hold rights to utilize it.
22:26 reesk yeah how do i go about constructing this form
22:26 reesk or where could i get a premade
22:29 reesk the reason i want it is i dont want people going into the site and begin playing with the code and adding chunks in and messing it up
22:29 sndwrx Well, according to a couple quick searches, there are claims that copyright law states that the creator of the design and content on a website automatically becomes the legal owner of said design or content the moment it's designed or written.
22:29 Monkeh http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/voyeur/looking-privacy-try-home-built-atop-cold-war-era-missile-silo
22:29 BotSteve Title: Looking for privacy? Try this home built atop a cold-war era missile silo | Best Places To Live In NY - New York Daily News
22:29 Monkeh Geekbunker 1? ;)
22:29 * Monkeh wants
22:31 sndwrx This site states, "The situation gets dicier when a freelancer or agency is involved.  Technically, the creator owns the rights to the work.  This means that unless the contract stipulates a transfer of rights, or the freelancer accepted into a work made for hire[1] agreement, the company has no claim to the material.  Many organizations falsely assume that once they buy the services of a designer, they
22:31 sndwrx own the final work."
22:31 sndwrx [1] http://graphicpush.com/work-for-hire
22:31 BotSteve Title: graphicPUSH: Work for Hire and Freelance Web Designers
22:34 Electricguy bedtime in EG land! :) night all
22:34 sndwrx reesk: Don't know if that helps point you in the right direction.
22:34 sndwrx night Electricguy
22:36 sndwrx reesk: http://graphicpush.com/web-design-copyright
22:37 BotSteve Title: graphicPUSH: Web Design Copyright
22:38 Av_Nekoroms "you have to massage it to make it work"
22:39 Av_Nekoroms string of epic :)))
22:39 reesk thanks thats perfect
22:39 sndwrx reesk: You're in the UK, right?  Of course things will be different for you...
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22:40 Sasha__ Damn. I really have to learn how to stop procrastinating!
22:41 sndwrx Hi Sasha__
22:41 Sasha__ Hi sndwrx
22:41 sndwrx How's it going?
22:42 Sasha__ Nm I guess. I think that I have been wasting too much time busting fake justin biebers
22:43 sndwrx haha.  "Busting fake Justin Biebers", huh?
22:43 Sasha__ Oh yes... what fun
22:45 Toastdude Hello Sasha__
22:46 Sasha__ Hello toastdude
22:51 Sasha__ Has chris told anyone when he's doing his camera autopsy?
22:56 y007ghg7 im bored...
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23:10 BotSteve TOASTY!
23:10 Toastdude BotSteve
23:12 * lwq1996 smacks toasst for enjoyment
23:12 Toastdude :(
23:12 lwq1996 now go out to the 100 yard point at the rage with this target
23:13 Toastdude BotSteve: Tells wannabe1987 that Lee's hitting him!
23:13 Toastdude BotSteve: Tell wannabe1987 that Lee's hitting him!
23:13 BotSteve Toastdude: I'll pass that on when wannabe1987 is around.
23:13 Toastdude Thanks BotSteve
23:13 BotSteve You're welcome, Toastdude
23:13 lwq1996 Botsteve: tell wannabe1987 >:P
23:13 BotSteve lwq1996: I'll pass that on when wannabe1987 is around.
23:14 Toastdude lol
23:19 sndwrx Cprossu:
23:19 sndwrx Monkeh: Is your Kindle 3G?
23:24 Monkeh sndwrx: Yes.
23:25 sndwrx Are you familiar with Instapaper?
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23:25 wannabe1987 ...
23:25 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
23:25 sndwrx hi wannabe1987
23:25 BotSteve At 23:13Z, Toastdude asked me to Tell wannabe1987 that Lee's hitting him!
23:25 wannabe1987 BotSteve: : tell Toastdude he should fight back
23:25 wannabe1987 hi sndwrx
23:25 Toastdude wannabe!
23:25 wannabe1987 lwq1996:  don't fight!
23:26 Toastdude Aw, but it's fun..
23:26 wannabe1987 then don't complain to the ircmom :P
23:27 Monkeh sndwrx: No
23:27 sndwrx okay.
23:27 Toastdude Fine... :P
23:27 Toastdude I was just informing, not complaining! :P
23:27 wannabe1987 brb
23:28 sndwrx Instapaper will send articles/webpages to your Kindle to read later.  Though, it says that Amazon charges for 3G trasmission.  Do you know anything about those charges?
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23:30 wannabe1987 no
23:30 wannabe1987 tlockley: hi
23:30 tlockley Hey wannabe1987
23:30 wannabe1987 i was needed to help someone walk up the stairs cuz it was *partially* dark
23:31 wannabe1987 whats new?
23:31 wannabe1987 sndwrx: you getting any work done?
23:33 sndwrx I'm gonna plead the fifth on that one.
23:33 wannabe1987 lol
23:33 wannabe1987 will you get any done this week ?
23:33 wannabe1987 i had toast for supper :D  it was nommy
23:33 Monkeh sndwrx: Yes, I do.
23:33 EatingToast :D
23:33 Monkeh sndwrx: They're optional, ie. you can set it so it won't transfer over 3G
23:33 sndwrx Actually I am accomplishing something, I'm doing some research on the library's new hardware.
23:34 wannabe1987 good!
23:34 sndwrx Monkeh: Just to make sure I understand, no charges when purchasing e-books through Amazon or surfing the web.  However there are charges when there are third-party pushes to the device?
23:34 lwq1996 Botsteve: tell wannabe1987 >:P
23:34 BotSteve lwq1996: I'll pass that on when wannabe1987 is around.
23:34 wannabe1987 ...
23:34 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
23:34 BotSteve At 23:34Z, lwq1996 asked me to tell wannabe1987 >:P
23:34 * wannabe1987 hugs lwq1996
23:35 wannabe1987 i don't like the web format.....:P
23:35 * lwq1996 is shocked
23:35 Monkeh sndwrx: Correct.
23:35 Monkeh sndwrx: You can email documents to your username @free.kindle.com to prevent them from automatically being pushed over 3G, also.
23:36 sndwrx Monkeh: And that would be items sent to user@kindle.com.  However there is another address which is received only through wifi, user@free.kindle.com ?
23:36 Monkeh sndwrx: Correct.
23:36 sndwrx Got it.
23:36 Monkeh sndwrx: If you're connected via 3G when an item is dispatched, it will only notify you
23:36 Monkeh And it will download when you make a connection through wifi
23:36 sndwrx And therefore not chage.
23:36 sndwrx charge*
23:36 Monkeh sndwrx: Correct.
23:36 sndwrx Okay.
23:37 Monkeh sndwrx: You can also disable any 3G reception by setting the maximum charge to 0.
23:37 Monkeh (except for free stuff)
23:37 sndwrx I couldn't figure out how Amazon can afford to provide 3G connections, and this makes it more understandable how they get away with it.
23:37 Monkeh Also, the @kindle.com address (also @free.kindle.com) will only accept submissions from trusted addresses
23:37 sndwrx aha.  That was another question.
23:37 sndwrx So it's not a free-reign email address.
23:38 Monkeh sndwrx: With very tight restrictions, very good contracts with phone networks, and charges for personal documents
23:38 sndwrx It's essentially only inteded for content delivery.
23:38 Monkeh sndwrx: Precisely, as I was trying to get across the other day.
23:38 wannabe1987 if its 8 minutes for me, how can it be 10 minutes for you?!  "you started late" no, it'll still be teh same amount of time.....
23:38 wannabe1987 don't you just love kids' stall tactics?
23:38 Monkeh sndwrx: The web client thing is sort of a proof of concept
23:38 Monkeh The 3G basically exists to allow you to purchase ebooks from Amazon's store via the device
23:38 * sndwrx nods.
23:38 sndwrx Alright.
23:39 Monkeh And it does that job quite well
23:39 sndwrx Is it possible to retrieve messages from @kindle.com or @free.kindle.com via IMAP or POP3?
23:39 Monkeh sndwrx: Yes, the content will be mailed to your Amazon registered email address in the converted format if applicable
23:40 Monkeh sndwrx: Well, a link to it. It's kept on their servers.
23:40 Monkeh Obviously you don't go around emailing 25MB PDFs
23:40 sndwrx Probably not possible to download attachments via the web browser if someone were to access it through their Gmail or otherwise?
23:40 sndwrx ...you don't?
23:40 sndwrx :D
23:40 Monkeh sndwrx: Not to peoples personal email addresses, no ;)
23:41 Monkeh sndwrx: The file is actually hosted on Amazon's content servers, requiring logging into your Amazon account to retrieve it
23:41 sndwrx Which would either use their charged 3G or free wifi, however you choose to connect.
23:42 Monkeh The 3G doesn't charge for browsing
23:42 Monkeh However, I'm fairly confident they WON'T let you download via the Kindle browser in that manner
23:42 Monkeh As I said, they locked the 3G down fairly well
23:43 Monkeh And if they can tell how the Kindle is connecting for content updates they can also tell how it's connecting to their website. ;)
23:44 sndwrx See I thought it one could access @kindle.com via IMAP through a gmail account and download the attachment, you would essentially be circumventing their 3G delivery charges.  :P
23:44 sndwrx But again, I doubt the browser allows attachment downloading?
23:44 Monkeh sndwrx: As I said, it's not an email attachment, it's hosted on their content servers and the link emailed to you.
23:44 Monkeh "Hello from Amazon.co.uk,
23:44 Monkeh ebooks@webscription.net has sent the following document to your free Personal Document Service account ("name"@free.kindle.com):
23:44 Monkeh crucible_of_empire.azw
23:44 Monkeh You can receive this document directly on your Kindle by connecting to a Wi-Fi network. Alternatively you can download the document to your computer by logging into your Amazon.co.uk account and clicking on the link below:
23:44 Monkeh crucible_of_empire.azw"
23:45 sndwrx Correct.
23:45 sndwrx So checking your webmail wouldn't incur a charge.
23:45 * sndwrx nods.
23:45 Monkeh Indeed, but you wouldn't be able to download it from your webmail
23:45 Monkeh And I highly doubt you'd succeed in attempting to get it off their own content servers for free
23:45 Monkeh It's not in their interests to miss such a route. ;)
23:46 * sndwrx grins.
23:46 sndwrx So if one were to download it to their computer, it is still available to the device correct?
23:46 Monkeh (if you're into sci-fi or fantasy, btw, webscription.net = awesome place. Oh, and I can give you some links to loads of free ebooks from them which they encourage people to distribute)
23:47 Monkeh sndwrx: Yes
23:47 sndwrx And any other Kindle devices associated with that account, correct?
23:47 Monkeh Yes
23:47 Monkeh So far as I'm aware
23:47 * sndwrx nods.
23:47 Monkeh It's a nice service
23:47 sndwrx I know of a couple libraries that purchase a book through Amazon then it syncs to all their Kindle devices.
23:48 sndwrx I don't think it's intended to be used that way, however.
23:48 Monkeh I believe it is
23:48 sndwrx Even in a setting like that?
23:49 sndwrx I'm just accustomed to businesses and organizations being treated differently than individuals.  :P
23:49 Monkeh Well, I would assume they are suitably registered with Amazon for that
23:49 Monkeh They'd be caught fairly quick
23:49 sndwrx Anyway I'm curious because Instapaper sounds neat, and the library I'm presently doing some work for just got their Nook Tablet and will be receiving two different Kindles in the next few days.
23:51 Monkeh sndwrx: I would assume it can email to @free.kindle.com just as easily as @kindle.com
23:51 Monkeh sndwrx: Take a look at webscription.net. </shameless plug>
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23:52 sndwrx So where do you access the "maximum charge" setting?  Within your Amazon account's Kindle settings, or in the Kindle itself?
23:52 Monkeh Former
23:53 sndwrx Okay.  That's something I'll need to nose around in.
23:53 sndwrx The library's Amazon account is present kind of strange.
23:53 sndwrx Apparently it once allowed them to have multiple users under the same account/purchase card info.
23:54 sndwrx Evidently now it's just one user account and they have the respective packages sent "attention to" the purchasing party.
23:54 sndwrx That's something I only learned today, though, and haven't looked into.
23:57 wannabe1987 so the library acquired nooks for people to use?
23:58 sndwrx Only one at this point, for evaluation and staff training.
23:59 sndwrx They have a lot of patrons requesting help with the e-book check out services and the staff are seeking to increase their ability to assist.
23:59 wannabe1987 ahhhh yeah
23:59 wannabe1987 i thought it'd be strange to lend out nooks :P  or kindles....
23:59 sndwrx Later on down the road they may entertain checking out e-reader devices to patrons.
23:59 sndwrx There are many libraries that do.
23:59 wannabe1987 i know kdl allows you to check out books on the nook/kindle

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