Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2011-12-10

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00:00 Cprossu wannabe1987: if it doesn't have a spreading mechanism that works it doesn't count.
00:00 wannabe1987 lol
00:01 Cprossu if it can't automatically bypass security features and run itself without user interaction, it still doesn't count in my book =P
00:01 wannabe1987 lol  but for a 5th grader...
00:02 Cprossu you forget, some of the nastier viruses are made by young people. never underestimate a coder if they are good =P
00:02 tehdark45 Cprossu, just give them SU, then you have problems
00:03 tehdark45 lol
00:03 tehdark45 they will prblbly run rm -rf /
00:04 Cprossu ^ doesn't work as well as you'd think
00:06 tehdark45 lol
00:07 tehdark45 just tried rm -rf --no-preserve-root / and it cant remove anything
00:07 tehdark45 on a VM, obv
00:08 Coderjoe oh, it will remove stuff, when it gets to your home dir
00:09 wannabe1987 mmmmm bbq chicken pizza :D  from jets
00:09 Seroster I'm very happy now!
00:09 wannabe1987 o?
00:09 Coderjoe also, be careful when using oprofile... the annotation tool doesn't dereference ~ to your home directory, so it will make a directory in the current directory named ~... which can be fun to remove if you are not careful
00:10 Seroster I found a nice channel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOfshA53fI&feature=related   Good voice, good camera, knows what he is doing, and smart enough to fast forward removing screws.
00:10 Coderjoe (that is, it will make the dir named ~ if you try to tell it to output files in ~/some/directory)
00:15 wannabe1987 i miss max....
00:16 tehdark45 who?
00:16 Cprossu tehdark45 see what I mean though hahahah
00:17 tehdark45 lol
00:17 Cprossu format c: won't do shit either on a newer 'doze box
00:17 Cprossu by newer I mean > 1994
00:17 Cprossu and without a boot disk
00:19 Monkeh Coderjoe: I take it that you're not passing the ~ on on the command line?
00:19 Cprossu something told me though tehdark45 you'd try it though
00:20 tehdark45 try what?
00:20 Coderjoe Monkeh: to the oprofile annotate tool? yes, I was.
00:20 Cprossu and yes Coderjoe I've done that to people before... evil.
00:20 Monkeh Coderjoe: That's.. odd, because bash should expand it for you.
00:21 Cprossu there are also some wildcards you can throw into some dir names depending on the os/kernel/etc
00:21 Coderjoe linux generally allows anything except /
00:21 Coderjoe and possibly null
00:22 Cprossu I've named a directory on a dos box with a <Tab> Character before iirc
00:22 astro73|alice Coderjoe: I don't think null is possible, since linux apis depend on null-terminated strings
00:23 astro73|alice although you could do it on NT, since the NT kernel APIs use counted strings.
00:23 tgg|yNos i am here to say.. users can put a lot of invisible chars in file and dir names.
00:23 Coderjoe Cprossu: ever use the old character 255 trick?
00:23 yNos sorry, was on the wrong box
00:24 Monkeh yNos: Had fun with that before have we? :)
00:24 yNos gdamn
00:24 Coderjoe astro73|alice: uh... win32 uses null terminated strings
00:24 Cprossu Coderjoe: yeah
00:24 yNos if you are writing a file name out in hex.. maybe you shouldnt..
00:24 astro73|alice Coderjoe: yes it does. But the NT kernel uses counted strings.
00:24 Monkeh yNos: haha.
00:24 yNos unless you are trying to be a douche
00:24 Monkeh yNos: Card work?
00:24 Cprossu Coderjoe: They had to reformat the computer to remove the game I kept playing
00:24 Cprossu it was funnier than shit
00:24 yNos card work?
00:24 Coderjoe Cprossu: \o/
00:24 Monkeh yNos: RS422?
00:25 yNos not sure.. havent been to the lab due to a fcked truck
00:25 Cprossu 422 and 485
00:25 Cprossu what went wrong with it yNos?
00:25 Monkeh Cprossu: And probably 232 too.
00:25 Monkeh Cprossu: He hit a deer.
00:25 Cprossu SHIT
00:25 yNos deer smashed the front and fucked the clutch somehow.
00:25 Coderjoe ouch
00:25 yNos but hey, the starter *was* good
00:25 Cprossu well it's a hydraulic clutch
00:25 Coderjoe deer collisions are nasty
00:25 Monkeh yNos: Would you believe me if I said the clutch is probably because you're all bent totally out of shape? ;)
00:25 yNos they can be..
00:26 Cprossu the S10 is
00:26 Cprossu I know that from going through lots of factory manuals
00:26 yNos the clutch faded out..
00:26 Cprossu you know GMSI will have your truck
00:26 Coderjoe so can m00se bites... a m00se once bit my sister
00:26 yNos Cprossu, wasnt doubting it being a hydroclutch..
00:27 Cprossu just doubting that the line inbetween the master and the slave cyl was the issue?
00:27 yNos the diff is boned up, the clutch is pooched, the plastics for the front are un-ubtainium...
00:27 yNos its a truck i got for $800 4-5 years ago
00:28 yNos am just going to get another.
00:28 Cprossu at least you got a radio out of it
00:28 Cprossu !
00:28 yNos oh, and it ripped the exhaust the rest of the way off.
00:28 astro73|alice too bad I can't find a document to back me up on this claim...
00:28 yNos jupjup
00:28 yNos it was a *loud* ride home.
00:29 Cprossu yeah I bet x_x
00:29 astro73|alice but iirc, the NT Kernel defines strings as a DWORD (4 bytes) followed by the character buffer.
00:29 yNos well.. to a friends house around the corner first..
00:29 yNos to get zip ties to put a headlight in..
00:29 Cprossu though those 2.2's don't make as much noise as they could
00:29 yNos lol
00:29 Cprossu they sound kind of nice too
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00:30 Cprossu (well compared to a jap motor with no exhaust anway)
00:30 yNos not with 3 feed of tube off the manifold!
00:30 Cprossu they sound OK when they just have the manifold and nothing else (open header)
00:30 yNos so.. the one i am taking the plunge on... 2002 suby impreza
00:30 Cprossu did your cat converter stay on?
00:31 Cprossu ooooh
00:31 Cprossu awd, 2.5 or 2.2?
00:31 yNos nop, it disappeared.
00:31 Cprossu or 2.0?!
00:31 Monkeh Oh man, the noises my fan makes..
00:32 yNos wish it was the 2.0turbo
00:32 yNos but no
00:32 yNos 2.5 iirc
00:32 yNos am going to make a final offer on it tomorrow.
00:32 Cprossu pity, we may have to all get together, create a cash fund, and pony up for a 2.0 turbo jspec for you
00:33 Coderjoe astro73|alice: NtCreateFile uses an OBJECT_ATTRIBUTES struct to get the name of the object to create/open, and that struct has a PUNICODE_STRING member witht the object name. UNICODE_STRING is a structure with length, maximum length, and buffer members.
00:34 yNos i would love to do something like that :D
00:34 yNos after i get it paid off.
00:34 yNos i actually lost sleep over it last night.
00:34 Coderjoe astro73|alice: so, yes, the internal kernel APIs do take length-string info, but you should never be calling those apis as a normal program
00:34 yNos i have never taken a loan out before.
00:34 yNos or dont a payment plan
00:34 yNos or anything like that
00:34 yNos if i dont have cash, i dont get it.
00:35 astro73|alice Coderjoe: Fair enough. But if we're talking about putting NULLs into file names, that would be it
00:35 yNos but i need to improve my credit rating.
00:35 Cprossu loans aren't fun
00:35 yNos no
00:35 Coderjoe astro73|alice: and the length values are both USHORT, the buffer is a PWSTR
00:35 yNos it sucks
00:35 tehdark45 yNos, what about house?
00:35 yNos i have *no* credit.
00:35 astro73|alice Coderjoe: also, this is the TGG. What makes you think we write normal programs?
00:35 yNos tehdark45: we rent from the GF's parents.. they have 12 properties.
00:35 yNos she is an only child.
00:35 astro73|alice (I don't even remember why I know this. I guess I was making kernel calls back in my VB6 days?)
00:36 yNos our rent is stoopud low.
00:36 tehdark45 yNos, umm. What did they do?
00:36 yNos of course.. i am his on-cal maint guy
00:36 yNos what did who do?
00:36 tehdark45 the parents
00:36 tehdark45 to have all that
00:37 yNos mom was a bank teller, her dad had a pool business for a few years, now he just has the houses.
00:38 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRjLErrAFQ&amp;feature=like-suggest&amp;list=UL    ....Are pallet racks supposed to be that damn fragile?
00:38 tehdark45 I didnt know pools and bank telling was so lucritive
00:38 tehdark45 lol
00:38 astro73|alice Seroster: no.
00:38 Hackbat cprossu, you remember that DOS pc I had?
00:39 yNos its not, he gets $30k houses and we fix them up
00:39 yNos then he either sells them or rents them out.
00:39 tehdark45 oh i see
00:39 yNos he had a few going when the bubble popped
00:39 yNos and is sitting on them.
00:39 Seroster astro73|alice, forgot to bolt the thing to the floor or something?
00:40 astro73|alice Seroster: actually, it lookes like it buckled
00:41 Seroster Too bad surveilance video rarely picks up audio
00:41 Seroster "FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU*CRASH*"
00:41 astro73|alice I haven't studied it in great detail, but I feel like a properly installed rack will fail one segment at a time
00:42 astro73|alice that thing went down like a house of cards
00:42 Seroster Yes.... That is more or less what i thought too =P
00:42 Cprossu ahhhhhhhhhhhh cancer! http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2727508605.html
00:42 astro73|alice and those beams look like the tiny kind
00:43 astro73|alice strangely, the racks look like they might be decent?
00:43 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIP24ywBAdU this one is even eviler
00:43 yNos i looked tat that one :))
00:43 astro73|alice hard to say from survellence video
00:43 yNos it is down the street
00:43 yNos Cprossu: ^
00:43 yNos that is what i wanted to do, but her parents pushed me to work on my credit rating.
00:44 yNos well, not that on in particular.. but a cheaper car/truck that i could pay cash for.
00:44 astro73|alice ok, note to self: do not damage pallet racks. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
00:45 yNos there was an 80s rabbit truck that had no rust and the engine had been rebuilt for 2k.
00:45 yNos i wanted it sooo bad
00:45 yNos those 1.9 liter diesels are gutless wonders when you are pulling something..
00:46 Cprossu yeah I know
00:46 Cprossu lol
00:46 Seroster astro73|alice, Shouldnt be too hard to secure them
00:46 yNos but 60ish mpg and the ability to use grease/biodiesel made me want
00:46 yNos i would love to be able to go to work and back on a gallon and a hlf.
00:47 astro73|alice Seroster: Except in both videos, they looked like they're more-or-less properly installed
00:47 astro73|alice the feet didn't move much
00:47 Seroster Shouldnt you brace them diagonally?
00:47 astro73|alice they are
00:47 Seroster "Triangles are sturdy, squares are not"
00:47 astro73|alice the uprights are a single, flat piece
00:48 Cprossu http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/2738822648.html
00:48 Cprossu yNos get you some square tubing lol
00:48 astro73|alice https://www.google.com/search?q=pallet+rack&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;prmd=imvns&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;ei=UKziTsu5Os7wggey3_COBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=mode_link&amp;ct=mode&amp;cd=2&amp;ved=0CGEQ_AUoAQ&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=735
00:49 Seroster Shouldnt two pieces of metal (or even steel wire) in an X at the back of the pallet prevent such faliures?  - bolts between section being skinny to allow them to shear off in the event of a faliure?
00:49 astro73|alice there's 3 pieces: the upright, the beams, and the grates
00:49 Seroster But no diagonal bracing
00:49 astro73|alice I assume that a large part of the design is based on economy, not safety
00:49 Seroster Side to tside that is
00:49 astro73|alice no
00:50 astro73|alice doesn't help that bays can be 9' or 12'
00:50 yNos Cprossu: HAHAHAHA
00:50 Seroster You need a fucking eye bolt and a few yards of aircraft cable, wich will prevent a mess that will take weeks to clear, damaged property and possible death...
00:50 astro73|alice and that would be more metal to spend money on, with more time spent to install it
00:51 Cprossu would be epic though hehe
00:51 yNos As long as you change the water pump in it every 100k or so..
00:51 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2710844345.html
00:51 yNos lolnope
00:51 astro73|alice if an upright fails, wouldn't diagonals make it more likely that the next one is dragged with?
00:52 Cprossu wow comes with 2 cars
00:52 Cprossu 3 trannies?
00:52 Seroster Do the uprights fail often?
00:52 yNos and no master brake cyl?!?
00:52 Cprossu Those are cheap though yNos
00:52 yNos http://muskegon.craigslist.org/cto/2702062544.html <- that would be fun 9 months out of the year
00:52 Cprossu usually
00:53 Seroster astro73|alice, With enough bracing if the sections look like IXIXIXI and the middle X fails the stuff on top shouldnt fall down due to the support it gets from its very rigid companions to the side, right?
00:53 astro73|alice possibly
00:53 yNos drop a suby in that mofo.
00:54 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs: do you know the jeopardy answer?
00:54 yNos price is way too high though
00:54 astro73|alice don't forget the kind of weight you're supporting
00:54 astro73|alice if a front leg of an upright fails, then all the weight it held up has to be held by the back leg and all the bracing
00:55 astro73|alice and in a 3 tier setup, torque becomes a major issue
00:56 yNos this is more like it.. price wise.. http://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2688061421.html
00:56 yNos gdamn it would be badass to put an EJ20TT in there.
00:56 astro73|alice and they're still holding up enough mass that when it fails, it makes heavy-duty steel beams look like paper
00:56 Cprossu no motor though
00:56 Cprossu nice
00:57 Cprossu considering the lousy deals in grand rapids, that ain't bad-> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2734864058.html
00:57 Monkeh Someone mention pallet racking fail?
00:58 yNos it how things are around here..
00:58 yNos prices are over-inflated.
00:58 Cprossu good example -> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2712854005.html
00:59 yNos how are things down there?
00:59 Cprossu $900?! WTF?!
00:59 Cprossu cheap
00:59 yNos wonder if it would be worth while to go to ariz and drive something back.
00:59 Cprossu espeically if you can go without AC
00:59 yNos who needs AC, the windows roll down, right?
00:59 Cprossu problem is if it gets anything less than 45mpg it's not worth the drive
01:00 astro73|alice Monkeh: catastrophically
01:00 Monkeh astro73|alice: It does happen.
01:00 wannabe1987 a/c?  noone
01:00 Monkeh Pallet racks are very strong until they're compromised.
01:00 astro73|alice Monkeh: yes. I noticed. We've had two youtube videos
01:00 astro73|alice I've only installed the stuff once
01:00 Monkeh astro73|alice: I drive the forks which are normally the cause of them breaking.
01:01 Monkeh astro73|alice: Little else will hit hard enough.
01:01 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2729182484.html
01:01 astro73|alice Monkeh: I imagine. Those things are solid
01:01 Monkeh astro73|alice: It's rather important to note that even small forklifts weigh over two tonnes.
01:01 astro73|alice not surprising
01:01 wannabe1987 http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/189366/2/Police-Dispute-over-cappuccino-ends-in-assault   seriously?
01:01 Monkeh The last one I used was 3.5, empty. It takes 2t of payload.
01:01 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2706677801.html
01:01 Monkeh Pallet racking does not stand a snowball's chance in hell.
01:01 Cprossu ^ things fare better out here
01:02 astro73|alice I've spent a lot of time industrial temping
01:02 Monkeh Nor does a wall.
01:02 Cprossu rust wise
01:02 yNos yeah, that is the kicker.
01:02 sndwrx well.
01:02 wannabe1987 hi :)
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01:02 wannabe1987 b ats!
01:02 wannabe1987 i assume you got my text....
01:02 Bat-Mobile .log
01:02 yNos mine is from GA, there is *no* rist on it.. well, other than from the paint dings.. but that is surface rust.
01:02 wannabe1987 there is no bot for the log, dear
01:02 Monkeh Bat-Mobile: No bot no log
01:03 astro73|alice Monkeh: Seroster was arguing that diagonals between the uprights would significantly improve failure modes
01:03 Monkeh astro73|alice: Not really.
01:03 astro73|alice that's what I figure
01:03 Druidic_Rifleman #HACKLABTO
01:03 Monkeh astro73|alice: You've got up to a couple of tons per level and it's all bearing straight down on a piece of metal you've just bent with a forklift..
01:03 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
01:03 Bat-Mobile .log
01:03 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
01:03 Bat-Mobile left #thegeekgroup
01:03 wannabe1987 yay BotSteve!!!!!!
01:03 astro73|alice Monkeh: tell Seroster
01:03 Seroster Err
01:03 Monkeh Seroster: See above.
01:03 sndwrx "Modern day muscle car" on that Daytona, hahah.
01:03 yNos hahahaha http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2712476614.html
01:03 BotSteve yNos: I have the following messages for you:
01:03 BotSteve At 08 Dec 22:34Z, dr_jkl asked me to tell yNos yes and to email me next time
01:03 BotSteve Title: 78 subaru brat
01:04 Seroster It could all be solved by only putting styrofoam on pallet racks.
01:04 yNos BOT
01:04 * yNos hugs BotSteve
01:04 wannabe1987 love you BotSteve :D
01:04 Monkeh Seroster: Heh
01:04 wannabe1987 .pie batsteve
01:04 BotSteve Here you go, batsteve, I made you a turkey pot pie!
01:04 Monkeh Seroster: This is why us forklift drivers have to be trained. ;)
01:04 astro73|alice that, and you're expected to make crazy manuevers with a steering vehicle
01:05 Monkeh astro73|alice: It's not so crazy.
01:05 Seroster I don't trust pallet racks.
01:05 Monkeh astro73|alice: It just looks it when there's an experienced driver on the go.
01:05 astro73|alice i mean the intricate drivers
01:05 Monkeh Seroster: I do.
01:05 astro73|alice although there was one job where one of the hilo drivers would drive the vehicle fast enough to get wheels off the ground...
01:06 astro73|alice did not feel safe around him
01:06 Monkeh Seroster: There are many thousands of miles of pallet racking around. It's very well designed.
01:06 wannabe1987 ....at amway?
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01:06 wannabe1987 hi zozo
01:06 Guardianzozo hola!
01:06 wannabe1987 como esta?
01:06 Monkeh Seroster: It only breaks when severely compromised (and it's so strong that severe is the only option)
01:06 astro73|alice wannabe1987: no, this was at the pratt warehouse off 131
01:06 wannabe1987 ahhh ok
01:06 yNos Cprossu: hot damn... http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2730451124.html
01:06 BotSteve Title: 1997 Subaru SVX awd 3.3L 220hp
01:06 astro73|alice amway wouldn't allow that shit
01:06 Guardianzozo ummm Bien etu? (i think)
01:06 wannabe1987 never been there
01:06 Monkeh astro73|alice: Over here, I'd have him off the job in minutes.
01:07 wannabe1987 ik they wouldn't thats why i was confused
01:07 astro73|alice I'm surprised they let him keep his job
01:07 Monkeh astro73|alice: He wouldn't be driving forks in this country.
01:07 Monkeh HSE would dispose of him in one site visit
01:07 astro73|alice we don't have national hilo laws, it's by company
01:07 Monkeh Fail.
01:08 Monkeh You have driving licenses.
01:08 astro73|alice not that i know of, anyway
01:08 yNos OSHA has standards
01:08 astro73|alice I know that training is by company; there's no universal hilo license or certification
01:09 yNos OSHA == Our Savior Has Arrived
01:09 Monkeh astro73|alice: There's no universal cert here, but there are a number of providers who run training schemes with approved courses.
01:09 yNos or.. Oh Shit, Him Again
01:09 sndwrx yNos: OOohh that Scooby is very cute.
01:09 astro73|alice I'm sure we have private groups. I'm just not aware of them.
01:09 sndwrx I always kinda wanted one of those.
01:09 yNos yah.. maybe we can have cprossu drive it up here for us ;)
01:09 Monkeh astro73|alice: Forklifts are actually very easy to drive, it just takes practice to be quick and accurate
01:09 sndwrx There ya go.
01:10 astro73|alice What I know is that I have a deep respect for good hilo drivers, pallet racks are way too heavy for me, and I don't like working <$10/hr
01:10 sndwrx Or, it would give me an excuse to go visit Merkin Vineyards while I'm in Arizona.  :P
01:10 yNos Monkeh: And forsight.. and the ability to see and think in 3 dimensions.
01:10 astro73|alice bbl
01:10 Cprossu damn @ yNos
01:10 Monkeh yNos: Well yes, but that's all fairly simple for anyone who can walk down the road without being smashed.
01:10 Cprossu that's a sleeper
01:10 yNos fersure.
01:11 sndwrx Sleeper?  Don you know what a sleeper is?  :P
01:11 Monkeh yNos: The only knack is knowing where your forks are when you can't see them.
01:11 yNos Monkeh: Hey now, i havent hit anything other than that deer since the last deer i hit.. 13 years ago..
01:11 sndwrx It's a car that doesn't look fast, and isn't generally regarded as fast, but actually is fast.  Not a sleek two door.  :P
01:11 Monkeh yNos: One guy on the course I took did not have that knack. Last time I saw him he was pulling some racking over..
01:11 yNos that is being able to think in 3 dimensions.
01:11 yNos knowing where your forks are that is.
01:11 sndwrx It's like, a Cutlass with a supercharger dropped in and maybe a chip for good measure.  :P
01:12 yNos i doubt Tracey (my SWIMBO) could do it.
01:12 yNos sndwrx: it was my 70 beetle.. with a suby ej20 twin turbo sitting under the hood.
01:13 yNos an 11.2 second vw ;)
01:13 Monkeh yNos: How patient is she?
01:13 yNos she isnt
01:13 Monkeh She couldn't do it.
01:13 yNos lol
01:13 yNos i didnt know you could get long delay echo in irc :P
01:13 sndwrx Aha, I thought it was in reference to the SVX.
01:13 Cprossu yNos: speaking of which
01:13 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pts/2708011277.html
01:13 BotSteve Title: 2003 WRX Complete Engine
01:13 yNos yup
01:14 Monkeh yNos: tbh, learning to drive a forklift is something everyone should do.
01:14 yNos but mine was $200 from the u-wrench-it
01:14 Monkeh Well, everyone who actually likes to be able to do things for themselves
01:14 sndwrx Only thing wrong with that SVX that I can immediately see is it's not a manual.
01:14 yNos its like running a bobcat.
01:14 yNos kinda
01:14 yNos something that is immensely usedul
01:14 Monkeh Certainly more people down at the lab need to learn to
01:15 Monkeh You guys also need a bigger lift because that thing is going to break horribly one day
01:15 yNos i want to, but am not sure when i will be able to get down there.
01:15 yNos it needs new lines something fierce.
01:15 Monkeh yNos: If I were up there I'd teach you, it's not that bad.
01:15 yNos time to put more wood on the fire.
01:15 yNos afk a few
01:16 sndwrx You have a fire place or wood stove?
01:16 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/2732180399.html
01:16 Monkeh Biggest problem I've seen people have with it is the turning point
01:16 BotSteve Title: Subaru 4cyl Turbo complete sandrail engine pkg
01:16 Monkeh Took me a little while to get used to it
01:16 Cprossu ^ looks like it's been really screwed with too
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01:19 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2730468937.html
01:19 BotSteve Title: 2002 subaru impreza wrx
01:19 * Cprossu wonders if this guy threw a rod
01:19 yNos they have head/water pump problems..
01:20 yNos we have a fireplace
01:20 sndwrx I love a fireplace.
01:20 wannabe1987 fireplaces rock
01:20 wannabe1987 gas ones?  not so much....
01:21 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywmfnz7sD98&amp;feature=related
01:21 BotSteve Title: F-it Dude, Let's go bowling.mov - YouTube
01:21 Seroster Goodnight folks.
01:21 wannabe1987 bye Seroster
01:21 sndwrx night Seroster
01:21 Seroster Cya wannabe198, sndwrx, monkeh, astro73| and whomever else wants to be mentioned,..
01:22 yNos Cprossu: the engine pkg doesnt look like a stock turbo
01:23 lwq1996 my fucking god my moms such a fucking posh bitch, the bulb in our dlp tv went out, and i brung out my little 13in, and shes bitching and said she needs to bring the 42in out
01:23 Cprossu HAHHAHAHAHAHA
01:23 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/2723401481.html
01:23 BotSteve Title: volkswagon sand rail
01:23 Cprossu I've seen this one before
01:24 yNos they are fun.
01:24 yNos would be cool to go play in the desert on one.
01:24 Cprossu I'd imagine this one is more fun
01:24 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/2674230076.html
01:24 BotSteve Title: Sand Rail Mid-engineVW 2340 Turbo
01:24 yNos if you are allowed to
01:25 yNos uhhhyeah
01:25 Cprossu you really have to go out far though
01:25 yNos how far is really?
01:26 Cprossu so far that when you are driving in the dunes you have to worry about crossing the border
01:26 yNos what do desert rats do for fun out there?
01:26 Cprossu well we got a drag strip
01:26 Cprossu and the dunes which take forever to get to
01:26 yNos i doubt you guys go bogging or playing in the mud pits.
01:26 Cprossu I am sure we have one somewhere
01:27 Cprossu they do tractor pulls
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01:28 Cprossu we also have/had a lot of local dirt tracks, and we have high speed karting too, but it costs money(!) to race
01:28 yNos flat tracs, or auto/moto cross?
01:28 wannabe1987 poor lee....his mom bitches about a tv....tell her to get off the boob tube and read a goddammed book!
01:28 Cprossu both
01:28 yNos i like flat tracks.
01:29 yNos fun to race on
01:29 yNos all about going slideways
01:29 Cprossu then there's the illegals, but you risk being shot
01:29 Cprossu (what can I say some people are sore losers)
01:29 yNos lol
01:30 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2734858713.html
01:30 BotSteve Title: 1979 Jeep CJ5
01:30 Cprossu 79 would be AMD era?
01:31 yNos think so
01:31 Cprossu AMC
01:31 Cprossu ^
01:31 wannabe1987 .g kindle app for windows 7
01:31 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.amazon.com/gp/kindle/pc
01:31 wannabe1987 thank you BotSteve!
01:31 BotSteve No problem, wannabe1987
01:31 wannabe1987 .pie BotSteve
01:31 BotSteve For me?  Thank you!  ** face-to-pie** Excuse me but now i need to go clean my face. But that was some damn good pie :P
01:32 yNos yup
01:32 yNos amc
01:33 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2706952171.html
01:33 BotSteve Title: 1979 AMC mail Jeep, new price, want to sell!
01:33 yNos ha
01:33 sndwrx haha Fun!
01:34 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2650043065.html
01:34 BotSteve Title: 1956 Willys Jeep
01:34 Cprossu ^ hehehe
01:35 Cprossu wow frankensteined here
01:35 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2739244465.html
01:35 BotSteve Title: 1973 Mail Jeep built around a 1995 Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 chassis
01:35 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/for/2717713524.html <- the other thing i want to do if i had a mil
01:35 BotSteve Title: 1969 ~ Cessna 182M Skylane
01:35 wannabe1987 have bats teach you to fly?
01:36 yNos BatSteve is a flight instructor?
01:36 Cprossu wow
01:36 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2704248778.html
01:36 BotSteve Title: 1942 Willys Pro Street Pick Up All Steel Body
01:36 Cprossu that looks like fun
01:37 yNos only
01:37 yNos wow
01:37 * lwq-agitated kills self
01:37 wannabe1987 noooooooooooo
01:38 yNos le reminds me of howell, from howells moving castel
01:38 yNos castle
01:38 Cprossu OMG
01:38 yNos tending tword the drama
01:38 Cprossu the car I really want to own
01:38 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/ctd/2733617265.html
01:38 BotSteve Title: 1963 sport fury 426 max wedge sell trade
01:38 Cprossu and there's one here!
01:38 Cprossu lol
01:39 yNos the max wedge
01:39 yNos damn
01:39 sndwrx oh nice
01:39 * yNos drools
01:40 * lwq-agitated punches babies
01:41 wannabe1987 lwq: PM
01:42 yNos Cprossu: ever play with one of these? http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2739164098.html
01:42 BotSteve Title: 1996 geo tracker 4x4 4cly o.b.o
01:43 Cprossu we call them "Cheap Jeeps"
01:43 yNos yup
01:43 yNos and they are
01:43 Cprossu the funny thing is how light the engine is
01:43 Cprossu you could pick it up as one person
01:43 yNos the whole thing is lighr
01:43 yNos **light
01:44 Cprossu can't say they are good though
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01:44 Cprossu they really feel like they are going to fly apart at 40
01:44 Cprossu (mph that is)
01:44 killakEee hi yall
01:45 yNos hya
01:45 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2670403897.html
01:45 BotSteve Title: Geo tracker 4 door suv 4 wheel drive
01:45 yNos http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2668667094.html Now with more doughnut!
01:45 BotSteve Title: 99 Suzuki Esteem (super gas saver) $1100
01:45 Cprossu my friend has an esteem wagon
01:45 Cprossu they are piles of poo
01:45 Cprossu with lots of GM poo
01:45 killakEee hi ynos
01:45 yNos hiya killakEee
01:46 wannabe1987 hi killakEee!
01:46 killakEee hi wannabe1987
01:47 Cprossu speaking of geo's and suzuki's, the metro/swift rofl
01:47 Cprossu if you want to talk unpleasant rides
01:47 killakEee i miss my suzuki
01:47 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2671858393.html
01:47 BotSteve Title: Baja 4x4
01:47 wannabe1987 i had a prizm
01:48 Cprossu ^ yay a samurai with a 1.3!
01:48 Cprossu wannabe1987 you could have had a toyota corolla, which year was it?
01:48 wannabe1987 it was a geo prizm.....said so outside!  93 maybe?
01:48 yNos the samurai was fun... we had one as a farm-beater
01:48 Cprossu 93 would be a suzuki I think,
01:48 Cprossu did it have a 3 or 4 cylinder engine, or do you remember wannabe1987?
01:49 yNos no heat, no rear window, busting around all over
01:49 wannabe1987 no
01:49 killakEee i want a corolla 86
01:49 Cprossu http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1993/Geo/10689/1993.geo.prizm.4720-E.jpg
01:49 Cprossu You mean a Corolla GTS (AE86)
01:49 Cprossu did you watch too much anime killakEee?
01:50 killakEee oh yeah
01:50 yNos time to go to Tracey
01:50 killakEee always
01:50 yNos g'night all
01:50 Cprossu night
01:50 killakEee gnight y
01:50 * yNos waves
01:50 Cprossu scary thing is killakEee I remember someone sold one here in phoenix on craigslist...
01:50 Cprossu decked out with the tofu shop logo
01:50 Cprossu (face palms)
01:51 killakEee awww
01:51 Cprossu http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2718793417.html
01:51 BotSteve Title: AE86 4agze Drift Project
01:53 lwq-agitated me kills tehdark45
01:53 tehdark45 x_x
01:53 tehdark45 ps
01:53 tehdark45 fail
01:53 tehdark45 "{
01:53 Cprossu OH NO!
01:53 Cprossu tehdark45's POWER SUPPLY FAILED!
01:54 tehdark45 psst
01:54 tehdark45 zzzzzz
01:54 Cprossu NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo00000000000
01:54 tehdark45 pop
01:54 tehdark45 BOOM
01:54 tehdark45 X_X
01:55 wannabe1987 ......
01:56 tehdark45 dont rage quit wannbe1987
01:56 tehdark45 :P
01:56 * Cprossu sees that it was only a 'lytic cap, replaces the cap and the fuse, turns tehdark45 on
01:56 killakEee darn Cprossu
01:56 tehdark45 Fttzzz
01:56 tehdark45 Errr
01:56 * Cprossu kicks tehdark45
01:56 * Cprossu turns tehdark45 on
01:56 tehdark45 Matt is now activated
01:56 tehdark45 ready to destroy humanity
01:57 Cprossu everything seems normal here
01:57 * killakEee scares friend with teslacoil
01:57 tehdark45 Cprossu, that is a sign that my plan is working ;)
01:58 Cprossu killakEee: I am not afraid of tc's, I'm afraid of what usually POWERS tc's
01:58 killakEee friend gets a head ace from emps
01:58 * killakEee laughfs from friend being silly
01:58 tehdark45 Cprossu, you mean like pole pigs?
01:59 Cprossu yes like pole pigs
01:59 Cprossu and stacks of MOTS
01:59 killakEee Cprossu: nsts?
01:59 Cprossu they hurrrrrt but
01:59 Cprossu I am not SCARED of them for-se
01:59 tehdark45 killakEee, not even an amp
01:59 tehdark45 Cprossu, per-se
01:59 tehdark45 :P
01:59 killakEee yeah
02:00 killakEee i know
02:00 Cprossu The p got changed to an f due to previous encounter with 230vac
02:00 killakEee pole pigs and mots just kill you dead...
02:00 Cprossu indeed they do
02:00 killakEee if you dont know what you are doing
02:01 tehdark45 Cprossu, you shouldnt have  230, your in america
02:01 tehdark45 :P
02:01 Cprossu or if your 'buddy' doesn't =P
02:01 killakEee hehe
02:01 Cprossu just because we have 120 at our 'everyday use' outlet doesn't mean we are 120 wired.
02:02 tehdark45 well yeah
02:02 tehdark45 are you licensed?
02:02 tehdark45 :P
02:02 killakEee he doesent even want to start my current teslas
02:02 killakEee hehe
02:02 Cprossu are you to work in the US tehdark45?
02:02 killakEee he is just scared shitless
02:02 killakEee XD
02:02 tehdark45 what?
02:02 tehdark45 english plz :P
02:02 Cprossu lol do you work with US wiring (y/n)
02:03 masterofmonks tehdark45: 230 is fairly common in industrial environments.
02:03 tehdark45 masterofmonks, yeah i know that
02:04 tehdark45 um Cprossu i duno
02:04 killakEee why do we have 220 and us have 110 ?
02:04 tehdark45 havn't done wiring before
02:04 tehdark45 lol
02:04 killakEee enny good reason for this ?
02:05 Cprossu tehdark45 seems to think that us Americans don't use anything above 120 in our houses
02:05 tehdark45 i know you do for the dryer
02:05 tehdark45 and oven
02:05 Cprossu and if you are on a single phase line you run that stuff split phase
02:06 tehdark45 Cprossu, US and CA are very similar
02:06 Cprossu haha
02:06 Cprossu yeah true
02:06 tehdark45 in electrical code
02:07 killakEee Cprossu: enny thoughts abuote mandriva?
02:07 lwq-agitated "i never watch my kids watch big band proformaces on tv. to much sax and violins"
02:08 killakEee im thinking abuote instalin mandrive on my Eee pc
02:09 killakEee mandriva
02:09 killakEee i mean
02:09 Cprossu killakEee: mandriva linux?
02:09 Cprossu I've hated it since it was first compiled
02:09 killakEee yeah
02:09 killakEee ok?
02:09 killakEee why?
02:09 Cprossu because upgrading meant certain death
02:10 Cprossu plus it initially came with ugly proprietary code loaded into it
02:10 Cprossu iirc
02:10 killakEee ok..
02:10 tehdark45 lwq-agitated, switch to another genre?
02:11 killakEee so mandriva is no good for gaming an sutch
02:11 killakEee ?
02:11 * killakEee dont like microhard
02:12 tehdark45 killakEee, if you want the best gaming, windows is still best. But you can use things like wine to play games
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02:12 killakEee tehdark45:i know
02:12 tehdark45 and linux has games
02:13 Cprossu nexuiz!
02:13 Cprossu wait what do they call nexuiz now?
02:13 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Crap?
02:13 killakEee lol
02:13 Cprossu it was fun damn you Monkeh|Lap :P
02:13 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Was.
02:13 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Like, ten years ago.
02:14 Cprossu ahhhh Xonotic's the new name
02:14 wannabe1987 hmmm
02:15 * Cprossu actually downloads it to see if it's as good as he remembers
02:15 tehdark45 Of course Chris Pirillo has shared that before. lol
02:15 killakEee lol
02:15 killakEee hi wannabe1987
02:15 wannabe1987 lol hi
02:15 wannabe1987 what does killakee mean?
02:16 killakEee ?
02:16 wannabe1987 does it mean anything in swedish?
02:16 killakEee NORWEGIAN
02:16 wannabe1987 SORRY
02:16 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: There's a difference?
02:16 wannabe1987 does it mean anything in norwegian?
02:16 killakEee HELL yeah
02:17 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: Next you'll be telling me of a place called Finnland
02:17 wannabe1987 mantere is from that place, Monkeh|Lap
02:17 * killakEee shiwers
02:17 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Is he an arrogant ass? ;)
02:17 wannabe1987 no...neither is tups, who is finn as well
02:17 Monkeh|Lap Wow, rare breeds. :)
02:18 killakEee Monkeh:thanks
02:19 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: You're welcome
02:19 killakEee rather be rare than comon
02:19 wannabe1987 bbl
02:19 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: I was talking of the Finns, though. ;)
02:20 killakEee hehe
02:20 killakEee know
02:20 Monkeh|Lap Arrrgh
02:20 * Monkeh|Lap really doesn't recommend having teeth pulled
02:20 killakEee sucks
02:21 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: I'm sucking rice out of the holes..
02:21 * killakEee has 4 broken teeth
02:21 killakEee and no f ing money to fix
02:21 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: God bless the NHS. ;)
02:21 BatSteve yo
02:21 killakEee HAHA
02:22 killakEee BatSteve : yo
02:22 BatSteve BotSteve: tell yNos that yep, I am a flight instructor
02:22 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when yNos is around.
02:22 BatSteve thanks BotSteve
02:22 BotSteve No problem, BatSteve
02:22 BatSteve hi killakEee!
02:22 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: Hey, laugh all you like, I get free dental work and that doesn't mean I have some vodka and a pair of pliers.
02:23 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Good evening.
02:23 killakEee Monkeh:hehe been there done that
02:23 Monkeh|Lap killakEee: I don't have to, so.. laugh it up. :)
02:24 killakEee lol and so on i have to.. so :S
02:24 BatSteve hey Monkeh|Lap, how goes?
02:25 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Cheap curry, warm bed, book, and IRC.. pretty good. :)
02:25 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: You may find this.. 'interesting': http://www.popularmechanics.com/print-this/what-really-happened-aboard-air-france-447-6611877?page=all
02:25 BotSteve Title: Print - What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447 - Popular Mechanics
02:25 BatSteve Cheap curry, woo
02:26 tehdark45 IRC is obv the best part
02:26 tehdark45 :P
02:31 killakEee no new captains bløg
02:31 killakEee :/
02:31 killakEee awww
02:31 Monkeh|Lap Give him time
02:31 killakEee im just impasion
02:32 killakEee t
02:32 BatSteve reading the link now Monkeh
02:33 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Be prepared to lose faith in airline pilots.
02:34 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: I've trained pilots who are currently flying for airlines...i have no doubt it will be something foolish and preventable
02:35 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Let me put it this way: I'm not a trained pilot and I could've prevented that.
02:37 tehdark45 Its 9PM there
02:37 killakEee why does my back hate me so mutch...
02:38 tehdark45 Chris probably isn't even home/just got home
02:39 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: He's lucky if he's left the lab!
02:39 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, what you mean lucky?
02:40 tehdark45 he can leave when he feels like :P
02:42 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: If he did that every day, they'd never have got started. ;)
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02:43 wannabe1987 back!
02:43 wannabe1987 that was a *very* cold ride home :(
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02:44 wannabe1987 welcome back tehdark45!
02:45 mjn hi all...looking for some guidance on making some touchscreen systems working with linux
02:45 tehdark45 thx, my client went stupid
02:45 wannabe1987 linux?  hmmmmm
02:45 wannabe1987 astro73|alice?
02:45 tehdark45 mjn, android
02:45 wannabe1987 quite a few people use linux, altho idk about touchscreens.
02:45 tehdark45 :P
02:45 Monkeh|Lap Touchscreen is too fancy for me.
02:46 Monkeh|Lap Except for my phone
02:46 tehdark45 Touchscreen is for my phone. thats it
02:46 mjn fedora verne runs best OOTB on these (IBM POS terminals)...but cant find the right drivers, relative newb to linux, and never built a driver on my own..
02:46 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: "While Bonin's behavior is irrational, it is not inexplicable. Intense  psychological stress tends to shut down the part of the brain  responsible for innovative, creative thought. Instead, we tend to revert  to the familiar and the well-rehearsed. "
02:47 wannabe1987 hi BatSteve!
02:47 BatSteve That's really the key sentence in the entire story
02:47 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: And then there's the other copilot who didn't quite figure it out and never authoritively took control.
02:48 wannabe1987 i read about that :(
02:48 wannabe1987 how horrible
02:48 BatSteve Agreed, though I also blame the airbus itself.
02:48 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: They're.. a little easy on the pilots.
02:48 mjn tehdark45, i've said too little...this is for a more industrial environment that the touchscreen is best because of several factors...environmental in terms of having a lot of exposure to things that are historically bad for a computer liquids, moisture, and a lot of foreign matter that is high in liquid content ((ok, ok, it's a butcher shop))
02:49 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Not a lot of flying to do if the plane won't even let you make a mistake.
02:49 * BatSteve does not trust "the airbus way" as much
02:49 mjn tehdark45, tablets were considered, but discarded because of the ROI, and the possibility of theft or droppage..
02:50 tehdark45 oh i thiught you ment os
02:50 tehdark45 lol
02:50 wannabe1987 butcher shop?  interesting....what would you use a tablet for there?  uncle of mine has a shop like that
02:51 tehdark45 wannabe1987, touch screen cutting? like fruit ninja with an arm
02:51 tehdark45 to do things
02:51 tehdark45 "{
02:51 tehdark45 :P*
02:52 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Shame it's not really affordable to fly oneself across an ocean.
02:52 wannabe1987 no, he does all his cutting himself :P
02:52 mjn tehdark45, so these are actually POS units that are a full pc integrated into a base unit that contains the cpu, etc.; and the monitor into a single unit...i know i'm being unclear  but if you google ibm surepos 500, you can get an idea..
02:52 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Because I'm not entirely sure I like trusting random pilots I don't know.
02:52 mjn tehdark45, i was talking os inre linux,
02:53 killakEee dumbest place for a fly to enter .. my place...
02:53 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: ::nod::  While I can understand that, I don't share your views.
02:53 mjn wannabe1989, this is just for an special ordering system that will run off a php/html/mysql internal website...
02:53 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Oh, I'm sure most of them are fine.
02:53 * killakEee using my tc .. fly goes poof
02:54 wannabe1987 .
02:54 tehdark45 lol
02:54 wannabe1987 ahhhh makes sense
02:54 tehdark45 SurePOS
02:54 mjn wannabe1987, as opposed to taking all down on paper..which is fine for that part of the process, but less efficient when it comes to data retrieval...
02:54 tehdark45 That could mean other things lol
02:54 wannabe1987 yeah
02:55 tehdark45 Writing for me is pointless
02:55 tehdark45 cuse i cant write for shit
02:55 tehdark45 lol
02:56 mjn pos in this case only refers to point-of-sale...unless of course i can't get this to work..
02:56 killakEee *
02:57 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: But y'know, what's a guy (who, if he had the money, would fly) to think when a simple frozen pitot tube kills 228 people because the pilot was utterly incapable of coping with the situation?
02:57 mjn at which point OF COURSE it's the machine's fault..
02:59 mjn Monkeh, i agree, there are other ways to reckon airspeed....assuming that you realize that your instrumentation is compromised ...and you're not so loaded up that you have time to recognize that make the necessary adjustments
02:59 BatSteve Like I said, you have a fair point.  I wonder if you talked to the dude's former flight instructors, if they would say that he was an idiot.
02:59 BatSteve Because they're out there too.
03:00 BatSteve "Him?  Ah, he's an idiot.  He's gonna be a smoking hole in the ground one day fer sure"
03:00 mjn BatSteve, idiots!!...no!...where?
03:00 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Never said he was an idiot, but he obviously couldn't cope with that situation. In fact, he created it.
03:01 BatSteve Right, I know, but I'm wondering what kind of a pilot he was before that day
03:01 BatSteve There are good ones and bad ones
03:01 Monkeh|Lap One would hope a bad one doesn't get to fly an A330.
03:02 Monkeh|Lap He might've been a perfectly good pilot who simply got overwhelmed by the aircraft (those computers don't always reduce workload..)
03:02 yNos Cprossu: you around?
03:02 BotSteve yNos: I have the following messages for you:
03:02 BotSteve At 02:22Z, BatSteve asked me to tell yNos that yep, I am a flight instructor
03:02 Monkeh|Lap But whatever he was he was clearly the wrong man to have in that seat
03:03 BatSteve ::nod::
03:03 BatSteve On that day, at least
03:04 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: The inability of any of the three pilots to figure out they were in a stall until the last few seconds is disturbing.
03:04 mjn and for what it's worth, my dad died as a result forming a smg (aforementioned "smoking hole, etc"..)...and he was a professional pilot for twa most of his life and was in light aviation all of his life (74 years)...and was considered the best of the best by his peers...but sometimes..sh*t just happens, even to the best....
03:05 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Yeah, but what happened to that aircraft was pure three-way pilot error
03:05 Monkeh|Lap There was absolutely nothing wrong with the aircraft except some iced up pitot tubes
03:05 Monkeh|Lap Which is hardly a fatal fault
03:05 mjn Monkeh, which incident are we talking about....the airfrance/carribean thing?
03:06 wannabe1987 my brain keeps autocorrecting pitot -> pilot.  BatSteve, whats a pitot tube?
03:06 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Air France flight 447, yes
03:06 BatSteve wannabe1987: it's a small tube in the front of the plane that measures air pressure
03:07 BatSteve by knowing the air pressure in front of the plane, you can calculate how fast the plane is going
03:07 wannabe1987 ahhh
03:07 wannabe1987 and so it iced up and they didn't know how fast they were going?
03:07 Monkeh|Lap In certain conditions they can become blocked with ice
03:07 Monkeh|Lap Correct
03:07 BatSteve for a few minutes, yes
03:07 BatSteve then the ice melted
03:07 BatSteve and everything was fine
03:07 mjn Monkeh, i thought so, and i agree...sounds like a procedural error that exacerbated an inability to recognize and react quickly enough on the part of the crew
03:07 wannabe1987 except it wasn't cuz they stalled and crashed
03:08 Monkeh|Lap All that did was turn the autopilot off and put the aircraft in alternate law (flight control mode, means you actually have control rather than politely suggesting to the computer that it make the aircraft do things)
03:08 mjn Monkeh, though i can admit that i've not been following it as closely since they found the bb
03:08 Monkeh|Lap Frankly they never should have been in that position anyway
03:08 Monkeh|Lap EVERY other aircraft diverted around that storm
03:08 wannabe1987 wonder why they didn't
03:08 wannabe1987 arrogance?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: They WERE french..
03:09 mjn Monkeh, you fly professionally?  who for?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Nope.
03:09 mjn Monkeh, atc?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap Wish I did, don't have the money.
03:09 Monkeh|Lap Nope.
03:10 wannabe1987 ooo!  html5 free book for the kindle!  just what i wanted to read before bed!
03:10 BatSteve wannabe1987: apparently, they didn't have their weather radar configured properly to show the intensity of the storm ahead
03:10 wannabe1987 ahhhhh
03:10 Monkeh|Lap Probably couldn't even get a PPL, my left eye is half useless.
03:11 mjn wannabe1987, lol...so no thought on linux and touchscreens, eh? (or butchery, and the wisdom of introducing computers into the mix?))
03:12 wannabe1987 i am not a computer geek!!!!! i don't do linux.   however, your touchscreen will get mightly dirty in a shop....but for doing special orders it makes sense, you just need a printer to print them off to give them to the people when they pick them up (like a recipt)
03:12 wannabe1987 i only went to my uncles shop once (so far), but i watched him skin a cow :D
03:12 wannabe1987 and he gave me free jerky :D
03:13 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: So what d'you fly?
03:13 wannabe1987 airplanes
03:13 wannabe1987 DUH
03:13 mjn Monkeh, sorry to hear...if it makes you feel any better, most of my brain is just dead weight, and only exists to make it easier for my neck muscles to keep the CG within the performance envelope...
03:13 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Heh
03:13 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: in the USA you can get a SODA waiver for that
03:14 BatSteve are you in the states?
03:14 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Nope.
03:14 wannabe1987 where r u from, mjn?
03:14 BatSteve ah
03:14 BatSteve then I don't know
03:14 wannabe1987 monkeh is in da uk
03:14 mjn wannabe1987, norcal
03:14 BatSteve and to answer your other question,
03:14 wannabe1987 o.O  californians?!
03:14 BatSteve .w cirrus sr-20
03:14 wannabe1987 where in norcal?
03:14 BatSteve .w piper pa-44
03:14 BotSteve "The Piper PA-44 Seminole is an American twin-engined light aircraft manufactured by Piper Aircraft." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-44_Seminole
03:14 BatSteve .w piper pa-34
03:14 BotSteve "The Piper PA-34 Seneca is an American twin-engined light aircraft, produced by Piper Aircraft since 1971 and still in production in 2011." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-34_Seneca
03:14 BatSteve aw...no love for the cirrus?
03:14 BatSteve .w cirrus sr20
03:14 BotSteve "The Cirrus Design SR20 is a piston engine composite monoplane that seats four." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_SR20
03:14 BatSteve there
03:15 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Ah, nice little planes
03:15 BatSteve Good training aircraft
03:15 wannabe1987 mjn: where in norcal?
03:15 wannabe1987 i gots relatives out in norcal
03:15 BotSteve Can't connect to en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_sr-20)
03:15 mjn BatSteve, cirrus...good plane to instruct in and good roi for the fbo...learned in a c150-f myself, and wouldn't trade the experience for the world...vw bug of the sky..
03:16 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Personally I'd like to have the money to get a rotary PPL one day.
03:16 mjn sonoma county, SR
03:16 wannabe1987 ah.  they're in sac
03:16 mjn wannabe1987, the uncle, you mean?
03:17 BatSteve mjn: mjn, I agree with you about the Cessna.  That and the Super Cub are the jeeps of the air, for sure.
03:17 wannabe1987 not the butchering ones, no.  the butchering one is in MI.  i have other relatives out there
03:17 BatSteve Go anywhere, do anything
03:17 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Although even if I do, I doubt I'll ever get a chance to fly one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/ZD284_RIAT_Bthebest.JPG
03:17 mjn wannabe1987, and breaking beef is becoming more of a lost art, and more of an artisanal thing, all at the same time..
03:18 BatSteve holy cool, what's that?
03:18 wannabe1987 mhm
03:18 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: The heli?
03:18 wannabe1987 it was in the middle of our deer season that i went to the shop
03:20 mjn BatSteve, still haven't got the opportunity to pilot j3 or super, but obviously they are just elegantly slow...(drools.., loves slow flying)...though did some extensive flying in citabria , flyin the idaho backcountry, and up the west coast, across the border up towards denali..(in the spring of course)...
03:21 mjn BatSteve, have got up to speed in an eagle II, and got to put it through some rudimentary paces...can't even talk about it without getting all giddy and flushed, to tell you the truth...
03:22 BatSteve yeah
03:23 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: That's a Westland Lynx. Fastest conventional helicopter in the world.
03:23 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Also does backflips, barrel rolls, rolling loops, and things I don't have names for.
03:23 mjn BatSteve, get up in the morning, have a cup of coffee, eat a big breakfast, preflight and then go flip around the sky for an hour...effin divine...after that, your day COULDn't go bad...
03:23 BatSteve mjn: I've flown the cub some - it's *almost* slow enough to land on a runway sideways
03:23 BatSteve in a nice headwind I'm pretty sure I could do it
03:24 BatSteve Haven't found a runway that's both wide enough and uncontrolled though
03:25 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Watch this and you'll see just why I want to fly them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSilC8fjYUQ
03:25 BotSteve Title: Blue Eagle Westland Lynx @ Red Bull Air Race, London, Jul 07 - YouTube
03:25 Monkeh|Lap (I don't recommend trying to do that stuff in an R22!)
03:26 mjn BatSteve, same w/ the citabria...great slowflyers...you really should check out the idaho primitive area...9500, 10000 usgs strips, wildlife aplenty, and basic strips that offers challenges if you want, and just relaxing scenic flying if that's what you're into...or what ever falls inbetwixt...
03:27 * BatSteve wonders if all of these helicopter maneuvers are positive-G
03:28 Ponko O_O damn it's 3am how long have i been playing this game
03:28 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: No. That's why the engines had to be modified on that aircraft.
03:28 BatSteve hmm...so how do they keep the blades from damaging the rotor hub, I wonder?
03:28 Ponko use of duct tape
03:28 BatSteve ah
03:28 BatSteve obviously
03:28 BatSteve (:
03:28 wannabe1987 duh bats
03:28 wannabe1987 ducks!
03:29 Ponko if it doesn't work though what was the problem?
03:29 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Well, the second one for example (don't ask me to put a name to.. that). I don't see how that can be positive-G.
03:30 mjn BatSteve, lol re: uncontrolled...good luck with that since the days of homeland security dipping their hand into that...they're still out there..try sand canyon no. of chewelah, wa...airport community just controlled by the residents, and big enough to put lear or citation or military trainer down on with a little width and length to spare..
03:30 mjn BatSteve, i know all the guys that work the radio, which is the only control...
03:31 yNos Well, back to car shopping.. they guy i was going to buy the suby from just texted me saying it is sold.
03:31 wannabe1987 awwwww
03:31 mjn BatSteve, as long as you don't start a fire or require an ambulance, they'd love to see you try...make they're day...
03:32 BatSteve ah, not that definition of "uncontrolled" - I meant uncontrolled meaning they don't have a control tower
03:32 BatSteve There's plenty of those
03:33 Ponko man laptop is LAGGING
03:34 wannabe1987 l
03:34 wannabe1987 a
03:34 wannabe1987 h
03:34 wannabe1987 g*?
03:34 wannabe1987 faillllllllll
03:34 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Unfortunately I can't find the video of the Lynx undergoing snap-roll tests.
03:34 yNos HEY, AN MG MIDGET, THAT'LL BE GOOD IN THE SNOW!!
03:34 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Which is a shame, because it's scary just how fast that thing rolls for a helicopter.
03:35 mjn BatSteve, speaking of, if you know anyone look for a well maintained CEII, and can pay what it's actually worth...i'm looking to sell?
03:35 BatSteve Hah, no, I'm a pilot.  If you think we have money, you're living in the 60's
03:36 mjn lol...which is why i work with computers...
03:36 wannabe1987 yes, yNos, it'll be great!
03:36 yNos BatSteve: what are you certified to teach?
03:37 Ponko FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
03:37 yNos and.. what is your opinion of the sport-pilot lic?
03:37 Hackbat .tfw
03:37 BotSteve 20°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'GREAT! If you're a penguin.'
03:37 Hackbat .tfw 28150
03:37 BotSteve 37°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Shelby, NC!  'Blue balls x 2'
03:38 Monkeh|Lap Also a good watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alR96JQGJs
03:38 BotSteve Title: Blue Eagles - YouTube
03:38 BatSteve Airplane Single, Airplane Multi, Instrument, Seaplane, Advanced ground, and CFI are what I can teach
03:38 Hackbat oh wow, it dropped 4 degrees in a matter of a minute
03:38 mjn BatSteve, but some do...got a guy in gnoss field restore an old piper...originally all fabric...and there are doctors, and you know kennedy's/travolta's out there...just putting it out there, as i've had no luck as yet, and would love to see this thing put to good use by someone who can truly enjoy...
03:38 yNos .tfw 49336
03:38 BotSteve 18°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Morley, MI!  'Freezing my balls off out here'
03:38 BatSteve yNos: Depends on what you're gonna use it for.  Personally I think it's a joke, but for some people it's worthwhile
03:39 Ponko i bet BatSteve will end up working for AA
03:39 Hackbat .tfw 96599
03:39 BotSteve Unknown location
03:39 Hackbat darn
03:39 BatSteve Alcoholics Anonymous?  Well, I AM a pilot, so...yeah, probably
03:39 Ponko knew that was gonna come up but no
03:39 Ponko American Airlines
03:40 wannabe1987 lololol
03:40 Ponko BatSteve is THAT why you flew into a building?
03:40 mjn yNos, i have an opinion, but i won't burden you, as you prolly don't care
03:41 yNos I just want to fly for fun, fly over to wisconsin, or land on the grass strip at my aunt's house in bozman(sp)...
03:41 yNos i have no opinion on it.
03:41 yNos i have heard some people say its a joke..
03:41 yNos i am more interested in flying over 250 miles..
03:41 yNos i think that was one of the restrictions..
03:42 yNos cant remember,
03:42 Ponko no batsteve you'll work for EasyJet
03:42 Ponko lol
03:42 wannabe1987 .seen injektion
03:42 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw injektion 22.75 hours ago at 2011-12-09 04:57:13 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:42:17 UTC
03:42 BatSteve yNos: was it 250, or 50?
03:42 yNos i think it was 250.
03:42 BatSteve hrm
03:42 yNos ahh
03:43 yNos looks like you need an endorsement to fly more than 50 miles
03:43 yNos ah, wait.. that is recreational..
03:44 yNos http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html
03:44 BotSteve Title: Sport Pilot Rule Synopsis
03:45 mjn i think sport is a good idea for those that are experienced with a real airplane, and are using the sport endorsement to avoid the strictures of a medical requirement...but for anyone else, get a hanglider or UL, and at least when things go wrong, you'll only hurt yourself...
03:45 Ponko i always take to the air tbh
03:45 Ponko but never leave the ground
03:45 mjn anyone familiar w/ the CAFE or CAFE 400?
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03:45 wannabe1987 Toastdude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:46 Ponko TOASTY
03:46 yNos what defines a real airplane?
03:46 Toastdude Wannabe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PONKY
03:46 Toastdude BatSteve!
03:46 BatSteve Sport pilot -> daytime only = joke license
03:46 wannabe1987 :D
03:46 BatSteve at least to me
03:46 Monkeh|Lap yNos: Two jet engines and the ability to exceed mach 2. ;)
03:47 Ponko BatSteve flys in high winds and doesn't care
03:47 mjn yNos, ooh, ok...in terms of regulation, or aviation?
03:47 yNos in your humble opinion.
03:47 Ponko what's the worst conditions you've flown in BatSteve
03:48 BatSteve Ice, primarily
03:48 Ponko and futhermore which is your favourite weather to fly in perilous or otherwise
03:48 BatSteve I haven't been through any thunderstorms, actually
03:48 BatSteve They're easy to avoid
03:48 yNos i am interested in flying, have been since my great grandpa brought me up in his twin-engined... beachcraft.. i dont remember..
03:49 BatSteve Best flying weather of all?  That's easy.  Christmas Eve or Independence Day, both at night.
03:49 Ponko i presume you're ideal conditions are low winds and low cloud cover
03:49 BatSteve The first one, you get to see lights reflecting on the snow, the second, you get to watch the fireworks from above
03:49 BatSteve Both are awesome
03:49 Ponko oh wow lol
03:50 Ponko yeah but you have to avoid it hitting you lol
03:50 Ponko and we were stupid to give you independance
03:50 Ponko only because we should of given it to you later than we did
03:50 Ponko say novemberish
03:51 mjn "where forward thrust exceeds the pull of all contradicting forces (drag(frontal, parasitic, etc))...maintains positive control along every axis, up to and sometimes including, what shall heretofore by referred to as 'an act of
03:51 Ponko 5th November would of been perfect we celebrate the death of Guy Fawkes and you celebrate independance
03:51 mjn a. god b. allah c. jc d. none of the above...and the list goes on"...
03:51 BatSteve HA that would be pretty great
03:52 BatSteve except that YOU should celebrate in the summer instead
03:52 BatSteve because in the summer you can grill
03:52 mjn ="real airplane"
03:52 BatSteve 4th of July grilling is the bomb
03:52 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Is it really forward thrust if you've just stood it on its tail at the end of the runway?
03:53 Ponko yeah we hate Guy Fawkes more because of that WHY DIDN'T he try to blow up parliment in August or June c'mon
03:53 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: yes.  Also, being able to hang it on the props (or, being able to stilt it on the jets) is awesome
03:54 Ponko i think if parlimant went up it would of been quite a fire and it would of warmed people in cold night of november
03:54 BatSteve Actually, my 2nd favorite airplane (which I've actually flown) could hang on the prop
03:54 BatSteve it was an Extra 300 stunt plane
03:54 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: I take it you've seen an F15 do such a takeoff?
03:54 Ponko how about and F-22
03:54 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: They're boring to look at.
03:55 Ponko they remind me of top gun
03:55 Ponko and say what WERE the planes they were flying
03:55 BatSteve Top Gun featured the F-14 Tomcats
03:55 Ponko ah thanks
03:55 BatSteve I've seen a -22 in real life, but it wasn't in flight
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Interesting aircraft, the F-14.
03:56 BatSteve And I've actually shared a flight line with a -15
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Had quite a few problems, though.
03:56 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Nice, short takeoff roll isn't it? ;)
03:56 Ponko *starts dancing to Kenny Loggins - Highway to the Danger Zone
03:56 * Ponko starts dancing to Kenny Loggins - Highway to the Danger Zone
03:56 Ponko that's the one i wanted
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: The title is just Danger Zone
03:57 Ponko i know but i'm still dancing to it
03:57 BatSteve Which, the 15?
03:58 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Yeah.
03:58 Monkeh|Lap When they're not combat loaded anyway.
03:58 BatSteve Yep, followed by a particularly spectacular climb afterwards
03:58 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Nothing like a thrust/weight ratio of up to about 1.2 to get you up in the air. Fast.
03:59 Monkeh|Lap Great noise, noo.
03:59 Monkeh|Lap Er, too
03:59 Monkeh|Lap 4AM. Can't type. :{
03:59 mjn Monkeh, nope...but the recovery move right after that alleviates the need for someone to avoid looking the surviving family members in the eyes while apologising definitely does...man i love bob hoover...airplanes are designed to fly forward not back...the fact that they do gives testimony to the skill and creativity of  the pilots that can...but basically airplanes are meant to move forward...every recovery move to a backward manoeuvre
03:59 mjn is a transition towards righting the aircraft agin...
04:00 Monkeh|Lap mjn: You need a recovery move when your thrust is greater than your weight?
04:00 Monkeh|Lap News to me.
04:01 lwq-agitated .seen wannabe1996
04:01 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen wannabe1996 around.
04:01 lwq-agitated damn i forgot
04:01 lwq-agitated .seen wannabe1987
04:01 BotSteve lwq-agitated: I last saw wannabe1987 0.25 hours ago at 2011-12-10 03:46:41 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:01:57 UTC
04:02 wannabe1987 lol
04:02 wannabe1987 96
04:02 Ponko lwq-agitated: what's got you agitated
04:02 wannabe1987 humans
04:03 lwq-agitated idk why i put that
04:03 lwq-agitated no aliens
04:03 lwq-agitated they should be aliens
04:03 wannabe1987 mhm
04:04 mjn Monkeh, if you're doing a tailstand in a single prop...and then an f14 style climbout...eventually your inertia degrades....ooh la la...i didn't yall were jet purists...just a poor prop pilot myself...(oh and yeah, even in a f14 or 22, maybe it's 15 or 22K, but yeah, eventually you have to trim it out a little and flatten out the nose...
04:04 * lwq-agitated hugs wannabe
04:05 Monkeh|Lap mjn: Hey, I like 'em all, I just have a soft spot for aircraft which attempt to deny the laws of physics. ;)
04:05 * wannabe1987 hugs lwq
04:05 Monkeh|Lap mjn: An Su-27 would be fun to play with.
04:09 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   Captain's Blog 12-9-11 Gibroni Dinasour and Nasal Tampons http://youtu.be/AVB1vaWgOxU
04:09 wannabe1987 nasal tampons?
04:09 Monkeh|Lap Nasal Tampons?
04:09 Monkeh|Lap Do we want to know?
04:10 wannabe1987 yes
04:10 BatSteve I'm more interested in Gibroni Dinasour
04:10 wannabe1987 watch and learn
04:10 wannabe1987 lol
04:11 lwq-agitated MI can i have your snow :(
04:11 wannabe1987 YES
04:11 lwq-agitated i want snow, snow that will actually stay on the ground
04:11 wannabe1987 omg i know where that video is taken from (in the begining)...........
04:11 yNos nasal tampons.. when your nose is bleading like mad, they shove tampons up your nose to help slow the bleeding.
04:11 wannabe1987 lol
04:13 yNos you know where that video is from?
04:13 wannabe1987 nice dino!
04:13 * BatSteve loses interest
04:13 wannabe1987 i know where the road is....yeah...
04:13 Monkeh|Lap I'd just like to thank Adobe Fl-fucking-ash for crashing for no good reason. Again.
04:14 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, HTML5
04:14 BatSteve It's an adobe product
04:14 BatSteve are we surprised?
04:14 wannabe1987 no
04:14 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Is even less reliable than Flash, somehow.
04:14 mjn Monkeh, me too su-27, though i have to say the sukhoi29 has a special place in my heart...got to touch it at it's oshkosh debut and spent the evening talking to some of the engineers involved...impressive to say the least...really?,,you can just hang it on the prop on the vert like a heli...and then if you wanna spin, let go the rudder and aircraft spins around the pp axis...awesome...!!
04:14 Toastdude ...
04:15 Toastdude mjn You went to Oshkosh?
04:15 wannabe1987 what toast?
04:15 wannabe1987 i wonder what omni thinks about the lab and what she thinks about the big mirrors :P
04:15 wannabe1987 and the drums
04:18 wannabe1987 i don't need to watch boden playing drums all day.....
04:18 Toastdude Lol
04:19 Toastdude Gibroni and his dinosaur....
04:19 wannabe1987 interestin....yesterdays vid says zero views, but i know some of us watched it....
04:19 wannabe1987 o there it has views
04:19 wannabe1987 odd
04:20 mjn Toastdude, of course...
04:20 Toastdude :D
04:21 mjn Toastdude, you mean the town, or the fly-in?
04:21 Toastdude I went there last year for the first time with my dad and flew the Icon A-5 simulator
04:21 Toastdude The fly-in
04:22 lwq-agitated omg i found the easiest spot for finding your pulse by just sitting here
04:22 wannabe1987 ?
04:23 Monkeh|Lap lwq-agitated: Your fat backside? ;P
04:23 * lwq-agitated slaps monkeh
04:23 Monkeh|Lap Hey, don't shoot the messenger
04:23 lwq-agitated where there is that little slot on your ear
04:23 wannabe1987 he didn't shoot, just slapped
04:23 lwq-agitated put your finger there
04:24 BatSteve The ICON A5
04:24 BatSteve Now THERE is a light sport aircraft I can get behind!
04:24 BatSteve :D
04:24 lwq-agitated TAMPONS
04:24 lwq-agitated wow
04:25 Toastdude :D
04:25 Monkeh|Lap lwq-agitated: Good luck finding a pulse on my ear.
04:25 lwq-agitated you have no ear
04:25 lwq-agitated its near the opening
04:25 wannabe1987 um...you take a pulse in the wrist, dear.
04:26 yNos Monkeh|Lap: has no ear?
04:26 wannabe1987 i'm not touching your EAR to take your pulse....
04:26 lwq-agitated ik im not stupid
04:26 wannabe1987 ewwwww
04:26 yNos what are you, a reptile?
04:26 wannabe1987 no, he's a brit
04:26 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Or the neck, knee, ankle, or elbow.
04:26 yNos same diff i guess
04:26 wannabe1987 or groin!
04:26 Monkeh|Lap yNos: I have two years, but there's not much of a pulse to be felt at either.
04:26 wannabe1987 actually, your thumb has its own pulse too
04:27 yNos ITS OWN PULSE!?!?!
04:27 Monkeh|Lap Man, I cannot type this morning.
04:27 wannabe1987 yep!
04:27 BatSteve Yep, it's own little heart and everything
04:27 yNos damn
04:27 lwq-agitated lol
04:27 wannabe1987 your other fingers don't have one....poor fingers
04:27 BatSteve Redundant backup in case the main one goes down
04:27 wannabe1987 yep
04:27 yNos its because they dont have souls
04:27 wannabe1987 thumb = ginger?
04:27 yNos but your thumb does!
04:27 lwq-agitated ROFL
04:27 Monkeh|Lap lwq-agitated: What you want is the temporal artery.
04:34 lwq-agitated GIBRONI
04:36 eadthem joined #thegeekgroup
04:37 wannabe1987 hi eadthem
04:38 eadthem hey
04:38 eadthem just got home
04:38 wannabe1987 from?
04:39 eadthem binghampton ny
04:39 wannabe1987 oh my.  what were you doing up there?
04:39 wannabe1987 Toastdude: i've had SNC's 12 days stuck in my head ALLLLLLLLLLLL day.  but i'm not reallllly complaining....
04:40 Toastdude :D
04:40 Toastdude I've had it in my head for weeks...
04:40 eadthem universal instruments  lighting head and inline7/flexjet 3 head  leval 2 matinance traning
04:42 * mjn has to go eat and sleep now..
04:42 wannabe1987 sleep?
04:42 wannabe1987 but its like....almost 9....
04:42 BatSteve bye mjn
04:42 wannabe1987 (for you)
04:42 yNos eat and sleep?
04:42 Monkeh|Lap What is this thing, sleep?
04:42 astro73|alice so, apparently my This I Believe essay is amazing
04:42 wannabe1987 bye tho
04:42 mjn left #thegeekgroup
04:42 eadthem flew united embrair 70 kci to iad(dulles D.C.)  then to BGM binghampton
04:42 * BatSteve wonders if / how well this works
04:42 BatSteve http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/stocking-stuffers/eb92/
04:42 BotSteve Title: ThinkGeek :: Bare Paint Conductive Paint
04:42 wannabe1987 thinkgeek!
04:43 wannabe1987 and its almost time for bed...up at 8 :/
04:43 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Reasonably well I would think.
04:43 wannabe1987 bats....that looks cool
04:43 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Looks like copper paint.
04:43 lwq-agitated wannabe i got to get up at 5:30 tomorrow
04:43 wannabe1987 why
04:43 eadthem on the way back i tryed to get a earler flight and they ended up having mech issues with my orignal flight and the early one, (US airways)  ended up takeing delta  to caj200  detroit then a airbus 319 to KCI
04:43 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: We all know what copper does well. :)
04:43 egrsteve think of conductive paint as resistive paint
04:44 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: gets stolen by scrappers?
04:44 wannabe1987 will the paint work as rear defrost lines tho?
04:44 wannabe1987 yes bats
04:44 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: heheh
04:44 egrsteve BatSteve: http://www.sparkfun.com/news/646
04:44 eadthem it will repair breaks in said lines
04:44 eadthem but dont count on it replaceing them
04:44 wannabe1987 most my lines don't work :(
04:45 wannabe1987 and theres no heat in the car (YET)
04:45 lwq-agitated those are hard to replace
04:45 wannabe1987 ik
04:45 lwq-agitated usually requiring a new window
04:45 wannabe1987 SHHHHH
04:45 wannabe1987 my car needs enough repairs
04:45 eadthem my grand marquee is having issues with its heat
04:45 wannabe1987 i've lived with it tho....
04:45 eadthem it wont send it to the floor
04:45 wannabe1987 my fix or repair daily lives up to its name...
04:45 eadthem it will do vent or defrost
04:46 wannabe1987 mine does A/C
04:46 eadthem and if the fans not above 50% it tends to send vent to defrost as well
04:46 wannabe1987 nice cold air
04:46 wannabe1987 i froze my way home tonight :(
04:46 wannabe1987 .tfw 49428
04:46 eadthem thinking its a vacume issue
04:46 BotSteve 22°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Jenison, MI!  'Put on some fucking socks.'
04:46 wannabe1987 no, bot, i'm under a heated blanket....i'm toasty!
04:46 wannabe1987 like Toastdude!
04:46 lwq-agitated need winter cloths wannabe?
04:47 Toastdude :D
04:47 wannabe1987 um no, tomorrow i'm wearing two pairs of pants
04:47 wannabe1987 :nods:
04:47 wannabe1987 i need my heat fixed!
04:47 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Played with this stuff before have you?
04:47 wannabe1987 or to apparate
04:47 wannabe1987 :nods:
04:47 * lwq-agitated wraps toastdude on his toes for tomorrows hunting
04:48 wannabe1987 if the gel handwarmers were able to be "turned off" and turn ed on again i'd use them....but they're for like 10 hours of heat!
04:49 wannabe1987 .yt mysterious ticking sound
04:49 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4
04:49 * lwq-agitated buys these for wannabe? http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/supplies/ebcc/
04:49 BotSteve Title: ThinkGeek :: USB Toast Handwarmers
04:49 Toastdude wow wannabe....
04:49 wannabe1987 what?
04:49 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Curse those chemical reactions.
04:50 lwq-agitated look at these wannabe http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/supplies/ebcc/
04:50 BotSteve Title: ThinkGeek :: USB Toast Handwarmers
04:50 wannabe1987 i am....
04:50 wannabe1987 but they require a usb port, and my car is from 97, it aint got one.
04:50 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Just wire them into the battery with 20AWG. It'll be fine.
04:50 wannabe1987 lol
04:50 lwq-agitated ummm buy a usb car charger?
04:51 lwq-agitated 5dollars anywhere
04:51 wannabe1987 but wired gloves in a car w/ a stick shift and steering wheel sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
04:51 wannabe1987 i have one....wanna come fix my cig lighter?
04:51 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Just wire a new one into the battery wi- You get the idea
04:51 wannabe1987 ik....i don't know wiring and don't want to blow the car up tho
04:51 lwq-agitated or build a hand held usb charger thing
04:52 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Warning: Sarcasm.
04:52 eadthem ended up with a chevy impala for a rental,  that car is the worst thing i have ever driven,  rides like a tin can on wheels,   and for some reason they have an unhelthy obsession of knobs over buttons.
04:52 wannabe1987 what year impala?
04:52 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Please don't play with car batteries. They do bad things.
04:52 wannabe1987 lol
04:52 eadthem 2012
04:52 wannabe1987 i've replaced mine....but yeah
04:52 lwq-agitated lol
04:52 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Drop a spanner across an old one, enjoy the fireworks.
04:52 wannabe1987 i'll leave the car mechanic stuff to sndwrx and my uncle (NOT the same person)
04:52 wannabe1987 no.....
04:52 wannabe1987 i don't have the old one....
04:52 wannabe1987 i returned it
04:53 wannabe1987 whats a spanner?
04:53 Monkeh|Lap I... argh.
04:53 Monkeh|Lap Yanks.
04:53 wannabe1987 I...argh.
04:53 wannabe1987 Brits
04:54 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Wrench.
04:54 wannabe1987 well, why didn't you say so then?!
04:54 Monkeh|Lap Because it's called a spanner.
04:55 wannabe1987 no.  its called a wrench.
04:55 wannabe1987 spanner makes no sense....
04:55 wannabe1987 "derp i'm spannnning my bolts"  makes no sense "derp i 'm wrenching my bolts" makes more sense
04:55 lwq-agitated wannabe is a spanner or a wrench both terms are accepted
04:56 wannabe1987 can't you tell i'm picking on our brit?!
04:56 lwq-agitated they both dont make sence
04:56 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: You can pick on me all you like, A: It's my language, and B: The term spanner predates your country. :P
04:56 lwq-agitated we need this for the lab http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/a7ea/
04:56 BotSteve Title: ThinkGeek :: External USB SATA Drive Dock
04:57 wannabe1987 yes, i know Monkeh
04:57 wannabe1987 why do you need that for the lab, lee
04:57 Monkeh|Lap lwq-agitated: You need a decent one, not a Thinkgeek one. :P
04:57 wannabe1987 i'm sure they can get a cheaper one eslewhere
04:58 astro73|alice http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/12/06/white-trash-repairs-world-electrical-outlets-a-visual-guide/
04:58 BotSteve Title: World Electrical Outlets – A Visual Guide - There, I Fixed It - Redneck Repairs
04:58 lwq-agitated everybodys a cridic isnt they
04:58 wannabe1987 critic*
04:58 lwq-agitated lol
04:58 wannabe1987 and yes
04:58 lwq-agitated wannabe you part jewish?
04:58 wannabe1987 no......
04:58 wannabe1987 why?
04:59 lwq-agitated damn
04:59 wannabe1987 i'm dutch
04:59 lwq-agitated i was gonna put you in a gas chamber
04:59 wannabe1987 Toastdude....
04:59 wannabe1987 save me
04:59 lwq-agitated i said gonna
04:59 lwq-agitated its much funner with jewish
04:59 lwq-agitated but i let you free
04:59 wannabe1987 why would you want to such a thing?!
05:00 lwq-agitated im a german
05:00 wannabe1987 i'm part german too
05:00 wannabe1987 ....
05:00 Toastdude So am I, but I'm Jewish
05:00 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Also, spanning does make sense. :P
05:00 wannabe1987 ........
05:00 wannabe1987 Toastdude you make no sense :P
05:00 Toastdude Yep.
05:00 * lwq-agitated sticks toastdude in a gas chamber
05:00 wannabe1987 alright Monkeh, i'll trust you on that :P
05:01 * wannabe1987 drills holes in the gas chambers walls near the bottom
05:01 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: As he sat there, and span the bolt with his spanner.
05:01 lwq-agitated woulnt work wannabe
05:01 lwq-agitated gas is lighter than air
05:02 wannabe1987 the gas will leave the chamber
05:02 wannabe1987 will too work!
05:02 Toastdude Yay!
05:02 * Toastdude thanks wannabe
05:02 wannabe1987 np hun
05:02 lwq-agitated um gas rises
05:02 * Toastdude plugs holes and sticks Lee in a gas chamber
05:02 lwq-agitated so no it woulnt work and he will die faster
05:02 wannabe1987 lee, in my imperfect world IT WORKS
05:03 Toastdude Depends on the type of gas.
05:03 Monkeh|Lap lwq-agitated: Depends on the gas.
05:03 * lwq-agitated leaves
05:03 Monkeh|Lap 'gas rises' would be a potentially fatal assumption with, say, petrol vapour. ;)
05:03 wannabe1987 ....
05:03 egrsteve natural gas/propane is heavier than air
05:04 wannabe1987 lwq-agitated you  needn't leave
05:04 * lwq-agitated throws a quarter infront of toastdude first
05:04 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Propane is. Natural gas is lighter.
05:04 wannabe1987 oooo a quarter!
05:04 * Toastdude throws the quarter at Lee's face
05:04 egrsteve I though natural was heavier too
05:04 egrsteve maybe not
05:04 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Quite a bit lighter.
05:04 egrsteve ok
05:04 lwq-agitated ok i guess we figured out the jew in the group :P
05:05 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Butane is way, way heavier.
05:05 egrsteve agreed
05:05 wannabe1987 im dutch aka penny pincher.....
05:05 Monkeh|Lap Not actually sure about the density of petrol vapour
05:05 lwq-agitated i dont even want to talk about butane i had a bad experience with a lighter
05:06 Monkeh|Lap But I know it's heavier than air. A fact most people are unaware of.
05:06 Monkeh|Lap Don't own a petrol boat.
05:06 BatSteve Water is heavier than gasoline, right?
05:06 * lwq-agitated thinks wannabe needs to come to pa where every penny grabing joke is aobut jews
05:07 wannabe1987 yeah, and here....tehy're about dutch people...
05:07 lwq-agitated lol
05:07 wannabe1987 mmmm that was so ooooo good.....i LOVE banket :D
05:07 * Toastdude punches Lee for making stupid jokes
05:08 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Yes
05:08 lwq-agitated no wonder ive always hated toastdude :P
05:08 wannabe1987 i'm going to bed...
05:08 wannabe1987 night!
05:08 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: I'm sure you know what that means in the bilge of a boat..
05:08 wannabe1987 don't kill each other too badly
05:08 Toastdude Night wannabe!
05:08 Toastdude Don't leave me with the creepy Hitler!
05:08 * Toastdude kills Lee slightly
05:09 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: so, what happens if you have water in a fuel tank, and it freezes?  Does the ice float to the top of the fuel?  Or does the ice remain at the bottom?
05:09 wannabe-zz you can leave too!
05:09 * lwq-agitated kills toast completely
05:09 wannabe-zz besides, Bats and BotSteve is here to save you!
05:09 wannabe-zz with PIE
05:09 wannabe-zz .pie Toastdude
05:09 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I made you a vanilla pie!
05:09 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: I'm not sure.
05:09 BatSteve Me neither!
05:09 Toastdude Danke wannabe and BotSteve!
05:09 BatSteve I've asked several people
05:09 BatSteve nobody really knows
05:09 masterofmonks The water is still heavier than the gasoline.
05:09 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Well we obviously know that frozen water has a lower density than unfrozen.
05:09 Monkeh|Lap I'm not actually sure on the numbers.
05:10 Monkeh|Lap But petrol is quite a bit lighter, so..
05:10 BatSteve It's interesting, isn't it?
05:11 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Found numbers. The ice will not float.
05:11 BatSteve no way
05:11 BatSteve really?
05:11 BatSteve [Citation Needed]
05:12 masterofmonks The density of ice is 0.9167 g/cm³ at 0°C, whereas water has a density of 0.9998 g/cm³ at the same temperature.
05:12 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Maximum density of water, 4C, 1000kg per cubic meter.
05:12 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Ice, 915 (ish)
05:12 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Petrol, 730ish.
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05:12 BatSteve cooooooool
05:13 Monkeh|Lap These numbers probably aren't 100% but they're close enough for this.
05:13 BatSteve I've gotta find some ice and some gas and a clear container now
05:13 BatSteve Because that'd be neat to demo
05:18 BatSteve .g firefox open when finished
05:18 BotSteve BatSteve: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Downloads%20window
05:19 BatSteve boo
05:19 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Probably an extension.
05:21 BatSteve Almost certainly
05:30 lwq-agitated screw it bed it is...i got to get up early tomorrow
05:32 lwq-agitated night everyone
05:37 wannabe-zz Toastdude: http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/12/nerd-cupcakes.html
05:37 BotSteve Title: Phood in your face: Nerd Cupcakes
05:38 Toastdude You need to update your description...
05:38 wannabe-zz lol
05:38 wannabe-zz i do, don't i....
05:39 wannabe-zz done
05:40 wannabe-zz happy now?
05:40 Toastdude Yep. :P
05:41 wannabe-zz there.  todo list updated.  more blogging to be done tomorrow
05:41 wannabe-zz bed now
05:43 BatSteve Same
05:43 BatSteve goodnight everyone
05:43 wannabe-zz night bats
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05:53 yNos alright, enough cruising craigslist
05:53 yNos sleep well everyone.
05:53 yNos for thpse that sleep at this time..
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05:58 tonsofpcs ugh
05:58 tonsofpcs wonderful, somehow got hit with 'vista antispyware'
06:03 Toastdude :(
06:03 tonsofpcs fought it off though
06:03 tonsofpcs concerned as to how it ran though
06:03 Toastdude Any ideas?
06:04 tonsofpcs well, i was browsing the internets with firefox, went to a site known for popups and such, then this started appearing, I closed the windows through right-click on button, close (nothing on the window itself), it was already running on my system...
06:06 tonsofpcs and it was in[C%user[4~ appdata\local\temp
06:08 Toastdude But it's not running right now?
06:08 tonsofpcs well, i killed it, removed the registry entry that tied it to every exe running, installed malware bytes, let it finish the registry cleaning
06:09 Toastdude okay
06:13 tonsofpcs but not happy with the factthat it could run without my telling it to...
06:13 tonsofpcs escalation issue in firefox maybe?
06:15 egrsteve say that one last week at school
06:16 egrsteve cleaned the system within 24 hours it was back, 3 times
06:16 egrsteve eventually wiped the system
06:17 egrsteve keep an eye on it sneeking back in
06:17 Toastdude Bye all
06:18 tonsofpcs oh, it faught me to destroy it to begin with
06:18 tonsofpcs it ties in the registry to .exe and (default) as the default open command
06:19 tonsofpcs so every file if double clicked recreates it..........
06:19 egrsteve same here, disables tsk manager
06:19 egrsteve hid everything on the desktop
06:19 tonsofpcs oh, task manager worked fine here
06:19 egrsteve PITA to extract
06:19 egrsteve lucky you
06:19 egrsteve I had to regedit to get my task manager back
06:20 tonsofpcs I had to right-click, run as administrator a bunch of things all over the place to get into regedit
06:21 tonsofpcs because runas administrator (even though I am admin) does some privilege escalation _AND_ bypasses the explorer 'open' command
06:21 egrsteve seems about right
06:23 egrsteve that is a nsaty one
06:29 eadthem clean natural gas makes headlines
06:29 tonsofpcs ?
06:29 eadthem for posioning the water supply
06:29 tonsofpcs eadthem: that's nothing new.  Where now?
06:29 eadthem now all we need is for someone to debunk "clean coal"
06:29 eadthem wy
06:29 eadthem its on cnn.com
06:30 eadthem it was all over binghampton NY when i was there as well
06:30 tonsofpcs eadthem: when were you here?!
06:30 tonsofpcs (also, there's no "p")
06:30 tonsofpcs (at least, not unless you're making fun of binghamton and/or the hamptons)
06:30 eadthem i was in detroit from about 7:00 to 8:00 pm
06:30 masterofmonks Yuck, celery.
06:31 tonsofpcs eadthem: I'm a few miles outside binghamton...
06:31 eadthem o
06:31 eadthem ya i was there from last saturday till today
06:31 eadthem at universal insturments
06:31 eadthem you pepole dont know how to drive :p
06:31 tonsofpcs they in endicott?
06:32 eadthem mmm
06:32 eadthem starts with a K
06:32 tonsofpcs eadthem: I'm not from around here.  People here scare me on the road
06:32 tonsofpcs Kirkwood
06:32 eadthem conklen is there addres
06:32 eadthem but ya   that was the exit   #1
06:32 tonsofpcs hrm, so next to the giant wwarehouse by the driving range?
06:32 eadthem also the exit number != mile number
06:32 eadthem witch makes no sense whatso ever
06:33 tonsofpcs NY 17 is way too long for exit # = mile #
06:33 eadthem ?
06:33 tonsofpcs also, it's right-of-way changes so often, the milage would change too often
06:33 tonsofpcs or are you talking on 81?
06:33 eadthem no clue
06:33 eadthem i was lucky to find my motel and UIC every day
06:34 eadthem all i know is for some reason someone named mile 70  exit 70   exit 1
06:34 tonsofpcs that's I-81
06:34 eadthem yep
06:35 tonsofpcs hmm, I wonder what UIC does...
06:35 eadthem everywhere in nebraska kansas  colorado  wyoming utah  south dakota  iowa oklahoma  texas MO    your exit number is = to the mile marker
06:36 eadthem but not in NY
06:36 eadthem pick and place machines
06:36 tonsofpcs well, when there's multiple exits per mile.....
06:36 tonsofpcs or 10 exits over a 100 mile stretch...
06:36 eadthem 12A  12B  12C ...
06:37 tonsofpcs the do that when there's multiple ramps at an exit...
06:37 eadthem 10  22 25 30 50 76 82 98 120 134 147 159
06:37 eadthem exit 159  I 70  hays kansas
06:38 tonsofpcs anyway
06:38 eadthem yep
06:38 tonsofpcs you should have come say hi and gotten a tour out of me or something :-p
06:38 eadthem na
06:38 tonsofpcs did you at least tour Mcintosh or IBM or someone else fancy while in town?
06:38 eadthem i had no intention of driving anymore than absoultly nessciary
06:39 tonsofpcs heck, even an EI touur would probably be awesome
06:40 tonsofpcs ( http://www.endicottinterconnect.com/ )
06:40 BotSteve Title: Advanced Electronic Packaging Solutions - Endicott Interconnect
06:41 eadthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEz4L34ipYA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdsSxg2MzHk
06:41 BotSteve Title: Universal Instruments GSM FlexJet SMT Pick and Place 4TechUSA.com 4781A 4788A GSM1 GSM2 - YouTube
06:41 eadthem EI  electronic interconnect?
06:42 eadthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrmxkXamFM  also  UIC  but not something i have to work on
06:42 tonsofpcs there's way too many cool places around here that I want to tour and play with their toys :-p
06:44 eadthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbBQAgC3oXc&amp;feature=related
06:44 BotSteve Title: 6241D Universal Instruments Axial / Sequencer 5 w/ Board Handling 4TechUSA.com - YouTube
06:45 BotSteve Title: Radial 6380A - broken carrier clip - YouTube
06:45 tonsofpcs anyhow, nap time.
06:45 eadthem same  time for bed
06:45 eadthem man  not only did they screw up gmail but they screwed up youtube as well
06:46 tonsofpcs yea
06:48 eadthem i dont understand how needing to do 10x more work to get where i need to can qualafy as modern
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10:34 strutt O_o
10:54 mantere .weather tampere, finland
10:54 BotSteve IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg-botsteve/modules/weather.py", line 261, in f_weather)
10:54 strutt i would guess cold
10:56 mantere .tfw Tampere, Finland
10:56 BotSteve 34°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Tampere/Pirkkala, FI!  'Freezing my balls off IN here'
11:05 Sgt_Lemming bleh
11:05 Sgt_Lemming tired lemming
11:13 Av_Nekoroms mantere: ha :)
11:13 Av_Nekoroms moving to tampere soon :)
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11:40 y007ghg7 im up early today :D
11:40 y007ghg7 im going to a robotics competition
11:42 y007ghg7 .tfw 74965
11:42 BotSteve 21°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Westville, OK!  'Shrinkage's best friend.'
11:42 strutt .tfw Bath, England
11:42 BotSteve 39°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Bath, UK!  'wang icicles.'
11:47 Sgt_Lemming .tfw brisbane
11:47 BotSteve 70°F?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Brisbane, AS!  'It is safe to take your ball-mittens off.'
12:16 Ycarene .tfw 51103
12:16 BotSteve 3°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Sioux City, IA!  'wang icicles.'
12:38 sndwrx .tfw 49321
12:38 BotSteve 18°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Comstock Park, MI!  'Call your local travel agency and ask them if they're serious.'
12:49 Thermoelectric .tfw Cairns
12:49 BotSteve 84°F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Cairns, AS!  'sweating my balls off'
13:10 Seroster^Away .tfw bjärlöv
13:10 BotSteve KeyError: u'\xe4' (file "/usr/lib64/python2.7/urllib.py", line 1238, in quote)
13:11 Seroster^Away FFFUUUU
13:16 wannabe-zz Ycarene - you're in souix city????
13:16 Ycarene Yes
13:16 wannabe1987 i've got family near there
13:17 Ycarene Cool
13:17 wannabe1987 mhm
13:17 Ycarene Or rather, I'm sorry for them.  :P
13:17 wannabe1987 lol why?
13:17 wannabe1987 i've got family in orange city, sioux city, and rock valley :P
13:18 Ycarene Ahh, well, orange city ain't so bad, at least it's clean, and there's an awesome pumpkin patch up that way.
13:18 Ycarene It's pretty too, all done up in dutch architecture and such.
13:18 wannabe1987 mhm
13:19 Ycarene I live in sioux city and work in lemars.
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13:23 wannabe1987 i've heard of lemars....my grandma's family is from orange city and my grandpa's family is from pella....both my parents were born in pella (but they didn't know each other, they met in high school in MI)
13:27 Ycarene I work at wells dairy, making ice cream.
13:27 wannabe1987 yum
13:27 Ycarene Blue Bunny (and stuff contracted by other brands)
13:32 wannabe1987 ok....tiem to go...bbl
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14:08 Electricguy i made a really simple laser scanner :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ0HOWvxzrQ
14:09 BotSteve Title: Simple homemade DIY Laser scanner - YouTube
14:09 Hackbat guys, I had an idea
14:10 Hackbat a virus that installs linux
14:10 dr_jkl ...no.
14:10 Hackbat yes...
14:10 Electricguy sounds like the most horrible virus ever
14:10 dr_jkl for educational purposes only?
14:11 Hackbat I'd see if it was possible
14:11 Hackbat warn microsoft
14:11 Hackbat then release it
14:11 dr_jkl from an educational standpoint it'd be pretty interesting to see.
14:12 Hackbat I'd design it to backup all the data
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15:22 Druidic_Rifleman morning geeks
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15:38 y007ghg7- im at the vex robot competition :D
15:56 MadManMarkAu Hmm, TGG's video recorder time is 15 mins fast
15:59 MadManMarkAu Dude, anyone see that??
15:59 Hackbat or maybe they're in the futuuuuuure
15:59 MadManMarkAu What is Camera 6 pointing at?
16:13 sndwrx All that high voltage has catapulted the lab into the future.
16:14 sndwrx Hackbat: What about, and I know it's hokey but bear with me, the virus installs Wubi.  At least as a starting point?
16:16 sndwrx Not that I'm necessarily advocating Wubi or Ubuntu, but it would be /slightly/ safer in dealing with the existing data on a partition or drive.
16:23 lwq-agitated hi
16:23 sndwrx mornin' lwq-agitated
16:24 MadManMarkAu Car just pulled up to TGG
16:26 lwq1996 around 12 is usually the time they arive
16:27 MadManMarkAu Yah, I wanna catch them getting there
16:27 MadManMarkAu Otange shirt guy walked off, haven't seen him on another cam yet...
16:27 lwq1996 lol
16:29 MadManMarkAu Going back to car...
16:29 lwq1996 scraper?
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16:30 MadManMarkAu Had a bag with him, don't think so
16:30 Isopropyl|Kindle morning
16:31 lwq1996 steve?
16:31 MadManMarkAu 'morning
16:31 MadManMarkAu Quite possible, he's sitting in his car, appears to be just sitting
16:31 MadManMarkAu Prolly waiting for Chris
16:31 lwq1996 yeah
16:32 lwq1996 i think he doesnt have school today
16:32 MadManMarkAu Ah, awse
16:33 Isopropyl|Kindle whats new today
16:34 MadManMarkAu The day. That's new.
16:34 MadManMarkAu Just finished watching the Harry Potter movies
16:34 MadManMarkAu And raging at how different they are from the books :P
16:34 Isopropyl|Kindle lol
16:35 lwq1996 lol
16:35 MadManMarkAu Wonder if the roof still leaks...
16:36 lwq1996 yes
16:36 MadManMarkAu MC/HVL/MDH
16:36 MadManMarkAu Damn
16:36 lwq1996 they need to get that fixed before winter
16:36 lwq1996 because when all that snow melts
16:36 MadManMarkAu Prolly won't be able to seal it, now it has snowed
16:36 MadManMarkAu Exactly
16:36 lwq1996 damn their gonna have a mess
16:37 MadManMarkAu Moose??
16:37 MadManMarkAu Activity at TGG
16:37 Isopropyl|Kindle theres enough geeks there with buckets. they should be fine.
16:37 lwq1996 lol
16:38 MadManMarkAu Isopropyl|Kindle: It's more there is a leak above Master Control
16:38 Isopropyl|Kindle ah. didnt know mc was that bad
16:39 lwq1996 there is one spot in HVL thats is really bad
16:42 MadManMarkAu Yeah
16:50 lwq1996 wow the white balance on camera 2
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16:53 MadManMarkAu lwq1996: Yer, I know
16:53 KB3NZQ ping
16:56 MadManMarkAu pong
16:56 lwq1996 dong
16:57 MadManMarkAu You may call me, Long Dong von Hugen schlong
16:57 masterofmonks lwq1996: you aren't hunting?
16:57 lwq1996 damn dad needs inspection on his truck
17:06 lwq1996 i better get around for the parade i need to go too
17:13 MadManMarkAu Someone else just pulled up
17:13 MadManMarkAu And I see Batman! :P
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17:41 mashpriborintorg hi
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17:47 lwq1996 oh wow they got a 40,000 dollar check from some foundation!!!!
17:48 mashpriborintorg yeah great for now, but I think they need to open the lab to paying members asap
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17:49 mashpriborintorg chris said opening is not before 2 months, it the gas leak tv interview
17:50 lwq1996 lol
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18:24 alex___ sup
18:24 alex___ anybody?
18:25 wannabe1987 hi
18:26 alex___ wazzup?
18:26 Electricguy heyz alex___
18:26 wannabe1987 not much, you?
18:26 Electricguy and hey wannabe1987 :)
18:26 alex___ well...
18:26 wannabe1987 made scotcheroos and played legos so far....we also went out in the snow, but it was fluffy and wouldn't pack into snowballs :(
18:26 alex___ pissed off
18:27 wannabe1987 why are you pissed off?
18:27 alex___ I bought a servo
18:27 alex___ that doesn't work...i mean, it doesn't care about any commands
18:27 alex___ I send it
18:27 alex___ ideeas?
18:28 * wannabe1987 doesn't know what a servo is .... Electricguy?
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18:28 Electricguy a RC servo i suppose
18:28 alex___ like...
18:28 alex___ rc servo
18:28 alex___ yeah
18:28 Electricguy it's a controllable geared down electric motor
18:28 wannabe1987 killakEee might know about servos....
18:28 alex___ yep
18:29 Electricguy you can send pulses to it to make it go to a specific point
18:29 alex___ yep
18:29 alex___ but
18:29 alex___ nomather what I send it from my arduino
18:29 alex___ ...
18:30 Electricguy does it do anything at all?
18:30 alex___ it just goes to one end of the travel and stops ther
18:30 alex___ there
18:30 alex___ jams
18:30 Electricguy cause RC servos are real bitches when it comes to pulse timing
18:30 alex___ yeah..
18:30 alex___ but...
18:30 alex___ it's supposed to work
18:31 alex___ think it's about timing?
18:31 Electricguy maybe a fucked servo then?
18:31 alex___ don't think so, brand new
18:31 Electricguy the timing need to be spot on, otherwise it work work properly
18:31 alex___ and good manufacturwer
18:31 alex___ ...
18:31 alex___ ok...
18:31 alex___ i'll look on instructables
18:32 Electricguy oki
18:32 alex___ anyways...
18:32 Electricguy http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arduino+servo+control
18:32 BotSteve Title: Let me google that for you
18:32 Electricguy :)
18:32 alex___ =))
18:32 alex___ gosh
18:34 Experimentonomen buy a servo tester
18:34 alex___ too expensive, better make a 555 timer module
18:34 Experimentonomen u can buy them for 5 bucks or less on ebay
18:35 alex___ yeah, and the shipping will be like 20$ for me
18:35 Experimentonomen nonono
18:35 alex___ for me, yeah
18:35 Experimentonomen i doubt that
18:35 alex___ well..
18:36 alex___ one question, what happens if timing is off?
18:36 Electricguy program this into the arduino and connect a potentiometer to analog pin 0 http://www.arduino.cc/playground/ComponentLib/Servo
18:36 BotSteve Title: Arduino playground - Servo
18:36 Electricguy the code at the bottom of the page
18:36 Experimentonomen if a seller tries to charge that much for a servo tester which weights a few grams, theres something fishy going on
18:36 Electricguy and the servo data pin to digital pin 2
18:36 Electricguy alex___, nothing happens
18:37 Electricguy or it just ends up moving randomly or jams
18:37 alex___ ...well...mine goes to the end of the travvel
18:37 Electricguy then at least it does something
18:37 Electricguy but load that code in the link to your arduino and test it out
18:37 alex___ then it's not broken
18:37 alex___ ?
18:37 Electricguy hook the pot as a voltage divider
18:38 Electricguy it might still be broken. but if it works with that code on the page it's nothing wrong with it
18:38 alex___ i really doubght it
18:38 Electricguy also, you need to download the SoftwareServo.zip file in the top of the page
18:38 Electricguy and put that into the libraries folder
18:39 alex___ it doesn't work without that library?
18:39 Electricguy nope
18:39 alex___ with the example?
18:39 alex___ that explains alot
18:39 Electricguy but look at the first code line
18:39 Electricguy #include <SoftwareServo.h>
18:39 Electricguy that includes the library
18:39 Electricguy without that it wont even compile the code
18:40 alex___ so, if I just upload the example, will it work?
18:40 Electricguy it should
18:40 Electricguy if you download the library too
18:40 Electricguy it says Download really big in the top of the page
18:40 alex___ great
18:41 Electricguy unzip that file and put the folder you get into the Libraries folder
18:41 Electricguy then start the Arduino sopftware
18:41 Electricguy paste the example codea and load it into the arduino
18:41 Electricguy code*
18:41 alex___ that explains alot
18:41 alex___ ...yeah
18:41 alex___ I didn't have the library
18:41 Electricguy damn that i don't have a servo... otherwise i would have tried it out myself
18:42 Electricguy ahh, hehe
18:42 alex___ =))
18:42 alex___ thank's mate
18:42 Electricguy no problem :)
18:43 alex___ the thing is that the servo fits perfectly in the RC car
18:43 alex___ and i would have been dissappointed for it not to work
18:43 Electricguy hehe okey
18:43 Electricguy yeah
18:43 alex___ i'll post it on HaD
18:44 Electricguy hehehe oki :P
18:44 alex___ well...
18:45 alex___ i'll have to write a ton of code for the darn thing
18:45 alex___ ...
18:45 Electricguy why? :P
18:45 Electricguy what more exactly are you trying to do? :P
18:45 alex___ well, it's gotta do a lot of stuff,
18:46 alex___ basically, it's going to be an obstacle avoiding, datalogger robot
18:46 alex___ that communicates with a PC
18:46 Electricguy ahaa okey
18:46 alex___ and sends back info
18:46 Electricguy well, just start! ;P
18:46 Electricguy there are heaploads of help about arduino on the web :P
18:47 alex___ thing is that my gear is at my mate, I'm going to go first thing in the morning tomorrow to get cracking
18:47 Electricguy ahh okey :P
18:53 alex___ gosh
18:53 alex___ it looks sooo
18:53 alex___ goood
18:53 alex___ neat
18:53 Electricguy what? :P
18:53 alex___ every bit of wiring is hidden
18:53 alex___ it looks sexi
18:53 alex___ the robot
18:53 Electricguy robot? :P
18:54 Electricguy i feel like i'm missing something... :P
18:54 alex___ that I'm working on
18:54 Electricguy oh. XD
18:54 Electricguy wasn't that obvious :P
18:54 alex___ I'll post pics
18:54 Electricguy ok, nice :D
18:54 alex___ my bad
18:54 alex___ i
18:54 alex___ am a perfectionist
18:55 Electricguy hhahaha :D
18:55 Electricguy asame here, sometimes :P
18:55 Electricguy it depends on what i'm building, lol
18:55 alex___ i'm also working on an SSTC
18:55 Electricguy oooh! :D
18:55 Electricguy nice
18:55 alex___ audio modulated
18:55 Electricguy nice :P
18:57 alex___ so, how about you?
18:58 Electricguy what? XD
18:58 Electricguy maybe it's me being slow, but i don't really get it, lol
18:58 alex___ projects and stuf
18:58 alex___ f
18:58 Electricguy ahh
18:58 alex___ i'm being ambiguous
18:59 Electricguy mostly analog electronics and weird crap :P
18:59 alex___ i like high voltage
18:59 Electricguy check my YT channel to get a better idea :P http://www.youtube.com/user/sk7ca?feature=mhee
18:59 Electricguy yeah HV is really fun
18:59 alex___ unless you get bitten
18:59 Electricguy very true
18:59 alex___ which is funny for the others
19:00 Electricguy hehe yeh
19:00 alex___ but...
19:00 Electricguy here is the best plasma speaker i have made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlyOv6_7ON8
19:00 BotSteve Title: Improved plasma speaker! - YouTube
19:00 BotSteve Title: sk7ca's Channel - YouTube
19:00 Electricguy was pretty loud :P
19:00 alex___ yep....I got bit by an OBIT
19:00 KB3NZQ egrsteve you there
19:04 Electricguy hmmm... i want to build this :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=655uZTywQ5I&amp;feature=related
19:04 BotSteve Title: Super flyback driver final version - YouTube
19:04 Electricguy http://www.volny.cz/jmartis/qrv4_en_final.png
19:05 alex___ zvs driver are better
19:05 alex___ drivers
19:05 Electricguy nah
19:05 Electricguy they are good for more current
19:05 alex___ exactly
19:05 Electricguy but not for really high voltage
19:05 alex___ and pulling a thousand watts
19:05 Electricguy that driver in the link gives around 120kV out
19:06 alex___ da f...?
19:06 alex___ what
19:06 Electricguy pretty beasty for a flyback :)
19:06 alex___ insulation won't last long
19:07 Electricguy yes it will if there isn't any arcing going on on the flyback
19:07 Electricguy this is so typically a ZVS driver :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c388YySXVOg&amp;feature=related
19:07 BotSteve Title: monster-arcs from flyback - YouTube
19:07 Electricguy around 30kV and heaploads of current :P
19:08 alex___ mine are even bigger
19:08 Electricguy nice
19:08 Electricguy depends on the flyback
19:09 alex___ but the fliback weighs like 2 pounsd
19:09 alex___ pounds
19:09 Electricguy wtf o_O
19:09 Electricguy where did you find such a big flyback?
19:09 alex___ monster thing taken out of a rear projection telly
19:10 Electricguy oh, yeah those got more wire inside cause they got 3 outputs :P
19:10 Electricguy so they need to be bigger
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19:10 alex___ yep
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19:12 astro73|alice good afternoon
19:12 Electricguy 'lo
19:12 alex___ hey
19:12 alex___ :D
19:13 Electricguy lol! true XD http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Men_Vs_Women696.jpg
19:13 astro73|alice well, assholes and bitches might
19:13 alex___ true
19:15 Electricguy haha
19:15 alex___ gotta buy myself a huge PSU
19:16 Electricguy i'm building on a half big regulated variable one :)
19:16 Electricguy 0-25V and 25A :)
19:16 astro73|alice alex___: how big?
19:16 alex___ rewound MOT would do better
19:16 Electricguy a linear regulated one! :P
19:16 Electricguy got a BIG heatsink for it :P
19:16 alex___ 24 volts at 50 amps
19:16 Electricguy the core of a MOT totally sucks
19:17 Electricguy it's extremely inefficient
19:17 Electricguy a MOT gets warm by just sitting connected with no load
19:17 alex___ reaches saturation too fast
19:17 alex___ but
19:17 astro73|alice You can get 24V out of an ATX PSU by using the -12v line as ground, but I have no idea what kind of current you can get from it
19:17 Electricguy around 500mA
19:17 alex___ 600 milliamps
19:17 alex___ something
19:18 astro73|alice k, i know that the +12v line can be as much as 10 or 15A, but -12v is always tiny
19:18 Electricguy but you can do a little dirty thing, cut the mains ground lead on one ATX psu and take another one and connect the 12V lines in series
19:18 Electricguy 24V and whatever current the PSU can give
19:18 astro73|alice booster PSU? good to know
19:19 Electricguy i got a cooltek ATX PSU that can give up to 1A on -12V, but that's still very flimsy
19:19 astro73|alice so ATX PSUs are still best for tiny projects
19:19 Electricguy it can give 20A on 12V and 63A on 5V ... XD
19:19 alex___ put a pot between the ground and the PWM pin on the friggin chip in the PSU
19:19 Electricguy ATX psus are good if you need a lot of power very cheap :P
19:19 alex___ and you've got a voltage controllable
19:19 alex___ PSU
19:20 Electricguy not really. it's going to burn down
19:20 Electricguy cause you drive the gate of the chopper MOSFET with too little signal so it gets warm as fuck
19:20 Electricguy you want to control the feedback to the control IC
19:20 astro73|alice there's a reason that actual lab PSUs are expensive
19:20 Electricguy yeah
19:20 alex___ gate drive transformer
19:21 Electricguy a GDT wotn to anything if you still lower the gate signal
19:21 astro73|alice but if you're cheap and only need standard voltages, an old ATX (or even a Baby AT) is fine
19:21 alex___ another amplifier stage
19:21 Electricguy it's still going to fry the MOSFET due to bad gate driving
19:21 Electricguy then you are on square one again :P
19:21 alex___ yep...
19:21 alex___ well
19:22 alex___ then a great mofo toroidial transformer
19:22 astro73|alice actually, a Baby AT is arguably safer, since it's on/off switch is hardware
19:22 Electricguy if you put a pot on the IC feedback pin you can get it variable by some volts. not more
19:22 alex___ between 3.3 V sense or sth
19:22 Electricguy and when you change that you change the efficiency of the PSU and it overheats no matter what you do :P
19:22 alex___ yep
19:23 alex___ it's made to run as efficiently as possible at the given voltage
19:23 Electricguy astro73|alice, true
19:23 Electricguy yepp
19:23 Electricguy just get a proper variable psu instead :P
19:23 astro73|alice I'm willing to bet they've optimized the f*** out of commercial PSUs
19:23 Electricguy hrm?
19:23 Electricguy hahaha yeah
19:23 Electricguy of course
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19:24 alex___ sorry
19:24 Electricguy lol
19:24 alex___ internet
19:24 astro73|alice since even a half-penny saved in the design of a mass produced PSU can result in thousands of dollars saved
19:24 Electricguy yeah
19:24 alex___ buy a variac and a bridge rectifier and a big capacitor
19:24 alex___ and that's all you're set
19:25 alex___ all you need
19:25 astro73|alice a computer controlled variac...
19:25 tonsofpcs a SCR?
19:25 astro73|alice not as responsive as solid state, but not a bad idea
19:25 Electricguy very crude, but it would work :P
19:25 alex___ yep
19:25 Electricguy but not for any really high currents
19:25 alex___ 30 amps should do it...
19:25 Electricguy an extra output trafo would be good
19:26 astro73|alice naw; the rectifier in that would go up
19:26 Electricguy depends on the size of the rectifier :P
19:26 Electricguy i got a 3000A diode from a train... XD
19:26 alex___ i've seen a 1600 amp 1200 volt bridge rectifier for 150 bucks
19:26 Electricguy only need 3 more :P
19:26 astro73|alice i just kinda feel like bridge rectifiers are inefficient
19:26 astro73|alice maybe i'm just full of it, though
19:27 Electricguy schottky diodes got less voltage drop, so they would make a more efficient rectifier
19:27 alex___ yep
19:27 alex___ but, for normal diodes it's only 0.7 volts
19:27 alex___ times 30 amps
19:28 alex___ it's like 21 watts?
19:28 Electricguy a beafy brigde on a heatsink would do fine :P
19:28 alex___ the entire thing was a heatsink
19:28 Electricguy that was?
19:29 alex___ the bridge rectifier
19:29 Electricguy what bridge rectifier? o_O
19:29 alex___ the one i was talking about
19:29 Electricguy oh!
19:29 Electricguy ok
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19:31 BotSteve TOASTY!
19:31 astro73|alice well, that's unfortunate. I just graphed out what happens if you apply a bridge rectifier to 3 phase and combine the results. It's not as smooth as I hoped.
19:32 Electricguy speaking of 3 phase and high voltage. i like this HV psu :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfixjqWcOwg
19:32 Electricguy damn beasty
19:32 Electricguy 9 MOTs
19:32 Electricguy 3 for each phase
19:32 Electricguy with resonance caps
19:33 BotSteve Title: INSANE high voltage supply / ŠÍLENÝ zdroj VN - YouTube
19:33 alex___ beasty
19:33 Electricguy yeah
19:34 Electricguy pulling about 30A from the mains XD
19:34 Electricguy at 230V
19:34 Electricguy about 6.9kW XD
19:34 alex___ that's 6900w
19:35 Electricguy about 3.4A out
19:35 Electricguy depends on how the MOTs are connected
19:36 Electricguy i think it got the secondaries in series, judging from the arcs
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19:36 alex___ secondaries in series, parralelled primaries and extra mot for ballast
19:37 Electricguy nah no ballast. only got caps on the outputs
19:40 alex___ can't be...
19:40 Electricguy oh yes it can :)
19:41 Electricguy i never run my MOT with a ballast :P
19:41 Electricguy ballats are for pussies :P
19:41 Electricguy ballasts*
19:41 alex___ burning a mot up isn't great either
19:42 Electricguy no, that's why i have mounted mine in a box with heatsinks glued to the core with thermal glue and put a cooling fan in the top of the box that sucks air through the heatsinks :)
19:42 Electricguy works really good actually
19:44 alex___ better ad a good amount of metal to the core itself
19:45 Electricguy better get a good HV trafo instead of a MOT :P
19:45 alex___ even better
19:45 Electricguy just adding random iron to the core wont do anything good
19:45 Electricguy you'll get shitloads of eddycurrents
19:45 alex___ bigger laminations
19:45 alex___ i meant
19:45 Electricguy ahh
19:45 Electricguy then just get a proper trafo :P
19:46 Electricguy like a Xray machine trafo or similar
19:46 alex___ yeah
19:46 alex___ ...
19:46 alex___ buy a ritter head of eBay
19:47 alex___ gotta go, i'm tired
19:47 alex___ and it's ten o clock PM here:D
19:47 Electricguy oki
19:47 alex___ cya
19:47 alex___ :D
19:47 Electricguy oh, lol XD
19:47 Electricguy yeah, sleep well ;P
19:48 tonsofpcs anyone know of a UPNPAV (DLNA) client for roku?
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19:49 Electricguy not me
19:56 Seroster ARRRR
19:57 lwq-away um is there a michael himmelstein in the chat right now?
19:57 hexacoda pirate?
19:57 Electricguy Aye!
19:58 hexacoda Shouldn't that be aye aye?
19:58 lwq-away oh electricguy your michael?
19:58 Electricguy ? nope :P
19:58 Electricguy i'm Philip :)
19:58 Electricguy I'M BATMAN!
19:58 hexacoda I knew a Philip once. Nice guy.
19:58 lwq-away oh sorry
19:58 lwq-away lol
19:58 Electricguy :P
19:59 Seroster Aww, alex left
19:59 Seroster I saw him talk about mots
19:59 Electricguy he went to sleep
19:59 hexacoda mots?
19:59 Electricguy microwave oven transformers
19:59 hexacoda Ok then.
19:59 Seroster Very nice that insane hvpsu he linked to
19:59 hexacoda Still no idea what those are, but ok.
19:59 Seroster Three mots on three phases
20:00 Seroster hexacoda, They provide the high voltage feed to the magnetron, wich produces the microwaves.
20:00 Electricguy yeah, very nice hvpsu electricguy linked to...
20:00 Seroster A MOT is generally 5 kilograms of iron and copper, you feed it with mains power and you get roughly 2.1kv out.
20:01 Seroster They are "low" voltage for being high voltage transformers, but they supply plenty of amps to kill you and evryone else in the room
20:01 hexacoda I see
20:01 Electricguy just to make it clear :) --> Electricguy> speaking of 3 phase and high voltage. i like this HV psu :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfixjqWcOwg
20:01 BotSteve Title: INSANE high voltage supply / ŠÍLENÝ zdroj VN - YouTube
20:01 Electricguy :)
20:03 reesk ooh i cant wait till the 22nd
20:05 reesk gonna get a load of ps2 games and spend the entire christmas holiday compleating them
20:06 Electricguy hehehe, nice :D
20:06 KB3NZQ lwq-away i'm michael
20:06 reesk i was gonna play ff but i got depressing news about that
20:06 Electricguy btw, my newest little lazy project :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ0HOWvxzrQ
20:06 BotSteve Title: Simple homemade DIY Laser scanner - YouTube
20:06 lwq-away OH
20:06 lwq-away HI MICHEAL
20:06 KB3NZQ hi
20:06 lwq-away im lee
20:06 lwq-away :P
20:06 KB3NZQ i know
20:06 KB3NZQ we chatted before on here
20:07 lwq-away i didnt know you lived in butler
20:07 * lwq-away has an idea of where it is
20:07 KB3NZQ i live in butler county not the city of butler
20:07 Hackbat o.o...
20:08 lwq-away oh
20:08 tonsofpcs oy
20:08 lwq-away i live in clearfield county
20:08 KB3NZQ i live in valencia which is on the southern butler county line
20:08 Hackbat rick perry is soooo gonna lose the election
20:08 KB3NZQ i know
20:08 KB3NZQ i have been in that area of the state before it is a nice place
20:09 reesk i wanted to play ffx and x2 but i found out there turn based rpgs and i dont think id enjoy it all that much
20:09 KB3NZQ but it is about a 2 to 3 hour drive from me
20:09 lwq-away cool
20:10 lwq-away ik it sucks
20:10 lwq-away close enough to get there to far for it to be practicle thing everyday
20:10 KB3NZQ clean the lense on the stream cam
20:10 lwq-away lol
20:10 lwq-away it must have frost on it
20:10 KB3NZQ lwq you have that right
20:11 KB3NZQ no it had a black spot on it
20:11 lwq-away oh
20:11 lwq-away oh i see it
20:12 lwq-away you ever been on route 53 through irvona?
20:13 KB3NZQ i think i have once but it was a long time agao (few years)
20:13 lwq-away cool i live there
20:13 KB3NZQ ok
20:13 KB3NZQ i have to go for a bit ttfn
20:17 lwq-away okk
20:18 Electricguy putted up the motor speed in my laser scanner and made some more patterns :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5xb5MOl584
20:18 BotSteve Title: More Laser patterns with the DIY Laser scanner - YouTube
20:18 lwq-away lol
20:20 mashpriborintorg nice, i had such a laser scanner, red, in the mid 90's iirc
20:21 mashpriborintorg sold it to a classmate
20:21 Electricguy hehe ok, nice :P
20:21 mashpriborintorg at this time, it was pretty rare
20:21 Electricguy mine is just a test setup atm :)
20:21 Electricguy going to put it all in a box later
20:21 Electricguy with just a hole for the laser beam on each end
20:21 Electricguy and a pair of LM317 to control the motors
20:22 mashpriborintorg photonicinduction made one with r,g,b lasers
20:23 lwq-away ok do any of you know the adapter that you use for a midi keyboard to so synths
20:23 lwq-away the one that pugs into the computer
20:23 Electricguy into the gameport?
20:24 lwq-away usb to midi
20:24 mashpriborintorg you can find it cheap onto ebay, but they must be only available in usb now
20:24 lwq-away im looking for the usb version
20:24 lwq-away what are they called though
20:25 Experimentonomen i think i may hjave an old midi gameport thing still in one of my boxes of random cables
20:25 mashpriborintorg i should cost a few bucks shipped from chine
20:25 mashpriborintorg china
20:25 lwq-away what do i search to find it
20:25 lwq-away idk what they are called
20:25 mashpriborintorg just type usb midi into ebay search
20:25 lwq-away ok
20:25 Electricguy midi to USB adapter maybe
20:26 Experimentonomen there alre also usb soundcards with midi included
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20:27 lwq-away i use a laptop so thats not possible
20:27 lwq-away unless its a usb sound card
20:27 injektion lwq-away, http://www.creative.com/emu/products/product.aspx?category=610&amp;pid=19089
20:27 BotSteve Title: E-MU Systems - Xmidi 1x1 Tab - USB MIDI Interface
20:28 Experimentonomen http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_Price=15..50%40c&amp;rt=nc&amp;LH_BIN=1&amp;_nkw=usb%20soundcard%20midi&amp;_fln=1&amp;_mPrRngCbx=1&amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m283 <-- a quick ebay sweep
20:28 BotSteve Title: usb soundcard midi | eBay
20:30 lwq-away thanks injektion and experimentonmen
20:30 lwq-away oh i need a syth module to make the sounds ?
20:30 Experimentonomen the midi hooks into a keyboard yes
20:31 injektion Or software
20:31 lwq-away oh i almost thought i needed two things not just a keyboard
20:31 injektion If you just want a keyboard they make USB midi controllers
20:31 lwq-away ah ok
20:32 injektion http://www.creative.com/emu/products/product.aspx?category=532&amp;pid=13558
20:32 injektion Is just an example
20:32 Electricguy there are keyboards with USB too
20:32 lwq-away my keyboard had both in and out so i can do that
20:32 lwq-away my keyboard doesnt have a usb
20:32 lwq-away i wanted one with a usb but i didnt get one
20:33 Electricguy hehe oki
20:45 injektion Someone remind me to get a pair of 3D glasses to use with my SGI Octane
20:48 injektion http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/Stereographics_on_SGI_systems.
20:48 BotSteve Title: Stereographics on SGI systems. - Nekochan
21:13 Hackbat http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4824819/wtf.png o.o
21:17 injektion lol
21:23 Electricguy jallah allah!
21:30 Electricguy how is Thefuckingweather.com piped to this channel?
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21:41 Seroster Via the bot
21:41 Seroster =)
21:42 * Seroster beats Electricguy with a bat for being stupid
21:42 Electricguy I got BALLS OF STEEL
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21:45 thegamer579 hi there
21:47 Seroster Hello there thegamer579
21:48 thegamer579 has something happened in master controll ?
21:49 Seroster Erm...
21:49 Seroster .stream
21:49 BotSteve The Geek Group Live Web Stream can be found at: http://justin.tv/thegeekgroup
21:49 Seroster Define something
21:50 thegamer579 i get a error message
21:51 thegamer579 so if its working for others there must be something up on my end
21:51 Electricguy i get some error too
21:51 Electricguy b0rk b0rk b0rk
21:52 Seroster It works for me
21:52 Electricguy got a TGG logo now
21:52 Seroster börk börk börk
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21:52 Electricguy ok, works now
21:52 Electricguy looks cold
21:54 lwq-away why is it every time i get on fb i see a farmville request from my dad
21:54 Electricguy lol
21:54 wannabe1987 what year did i turn 12 in?
21:55 lwq-away your how old?
21:55 lwq-away wait
21:55 lwq-away .c 1987 + 12
21:55 BotSteve 1999
21:55 Electricguy wannabe1987, many, many years ago... sometime...
21:55 Electricguy XD
21:56 wannabe1987 thx lee
21:56 Katemonster and let me tell you, 1999 was a /party/
21:56 lwq-away lol
21:56 lwq-away y2k
21:56 * wannabe1987 is sorting photos for her mom and can't be bothered to think/do math
21:57 Katemonster ridiculous prices on canned food.
21:57 lwq-away the bot can
21:59 wannabe1987 ik lee, but the bot doesn't know how old certain people are in each photo :P
22:01 masterofmonks It could...
22:03 wannabe1987 how
22:05 Katemonster http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/574/santaanastation.png
22:06 masterofmonks Well you would have to talk sweetly to one of the bot develpers like and have them write code to tell you when everyone was born and how old they are in what year.
22:06 wannabe1987 too much work :P  for me and them.  and this needs to be done like today :P
22:06 masterofmonks Then you need more spatula.
22:07 wannabe1987 used those this AM making food
22:07 masterofmonks Not *a*. youi need *more*
22:07 wannabe1987 lol
22:08 wannabe1987 i already used two!
22:08 masterofmonks More.
22:08 Katemonster ...
22:08 wannabe1987 ok.....?
22:08 Katemonster more spatula?
22:08 masterofmonks More spatula.
22:08 Katemonster http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=TO&amp;Product_Code=SNF-SPATULAS&amp;Category_Code=SNF
22:08 BotSteve Title: TopatoCo: My Cat Dreams of Spatulas Shirt *LAST CHANCE*
22:09 Katemonster http://samandfuzzy.com/archive.php?id=32
22:09 BotSteve Title: Sam and Fuzzy
22:12 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/12/nerd-cupcakes.html
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22:13 Isopropyl|Kindle greetz peepz
22:13 masterofmonks Morning C3H8O+Kindle
22:13 wannabe1987 hi
22:14 Isopropyl|Kindle evening monks
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22:17 wannabe1987 94 != 2004
22:17 Katemonster i think i almost died by isopropyl alcohol once.
22:17 wannabe1987 dont do that kate
22:17 Isopropyl|Kindle i use it to clean everything
22:18 Katemonster i tried to use it as mouthwash once.
22:18 Isopropyl|Kindle eww hydrocarbons make bad antiseptics
22:19 Sgt_Lemming err, isopropyl is one of the best antiseptics around
22:19 Sgt_Lemming this is why they use it in hospitals for cleaning things
22:19 Isopropyl|Kindle i mean orally
22:20 Katemonster it's probably the single most unpleasant thing i've ever done to myself.  :/
22:20 Isopropyl|Kindle i bet
22:21 Isopropyl|Kindle tasted like fire and hate
22:21 Sgt_Lemming hate has a taste? :-P
22:21 Katemonster tasted like heart attack and brain cancer
22:21 Katemonster hate does in fact have a taste.
22:22 Katemonster hate tastes like sour kraut
22:22 wannabe1987 o?
22:22 Katemonster yep.
22:22 Isopropyl|Kindle yeah
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22:25 Isopropyl|Kindle pretty quiet in here today
22:26 Katemonster seroster isn't here.
22:26 Isopropyl|Kindle lol
22:26 Katemonster ....or maybe he is and he's just passed out drunk.
22:27 Isopropyl|Kindle cprossu isnt either. he must be playing garrys mod
22:28 astro73|alice we got a fire hazard! straight from the farm!
22:29 Isopropyl|Kindle hm?
22:31 astro73|alice christmas tree
22:32 Seroster Piss off Katemonster xD
22:32 Katemonster ohai!
22:32 Katemonster how you feeling sero?
22:33 Seroster If you were in the nsfw chan I would tease you.
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22:33 Katemonster of course you would.
22:33 Isopropyl|Kindle hello master control
22:33 Katemonster i'm not sure why it didn't autoconnect me when i started.  it didn't autoconnect here either
22:34 Katemonster it auto-identified though.
22:34 tggmc good evening inerwebs the time is %d:34, localhours
22:34 Seroster I've sawed through a few cubic meters of dry dirty wood with a crappy $100 chainsaw with the stock blade (never sharpened in two years) - probably out of oil too, I can't find my chainsaw oil.
22:34 Katemonster still have all your extremities?
22:35 tggmc the live stream in now seceruity cams
22:35 Seroster Yes, no problem actually
22:35 Katemonster damn.
22:35 Katemonster i mean
22:35 Katemonster good for you
22:35 Katemonster :)
22:35 tggmc also Zomb tonight, tune in watch the madness
22:35 Seroster =)
22:35 Seroster Very nice mc
22:35 Isopropyl|Kindle will do
22:35 Katemonster zomb on security cams?
22:35 tggmc yes
22:35 tggmc will be
22:35 Katemonster nice
22:35 Seroster tggmc, Give cory a nightvision camera (or even the IR one) and let him try to catch some of the madness
22:36 Seroster Btw, who is in mc?
22:36 Katemonster who's at mc right now?
22:36 tggmc never happen he's afraid of nerf darts
22:36 tggmc remember halloween
22:36 Seroster Katemonster, I'm so amazed this chainsaw hasnt exploded in a million pieces yet
22:36 Seroster tggmc WHAT Is your name?
22:36 Katemonster i would be too.
22:36 Seroster WHAT is your quest?
22:37 Katemonster WHAT........ is your FAVORITE COLOR?
22:37 Seroster WHAT is the airspeed velocity of a swallow carrying a coconut?
22:37 tggmc um ahh AAHHH
22:37 Katemonster :D
22:37 Seroster ... I hate you so much for not catching up on that reference xD
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22:38 Katemonster i think zhe did actually...
22:38 tggmc care full, Seroster, you might kill someone like that
22:38 Seroster Yes he did, but he should have asked "African or european swallow?"
22:39 Seroster I kinda like it.
22:39 Seroster tggmc, Now, Let's try this again. Who the fuck are YOU?!
22:39 Katemonster but fer srslys, who is at mc?
22:39 Seroster Name? Social security number? Occupation? Sex?
22:39 Katemonster OMG ASL?!1
22:40 tggmc I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is
22:40 * Katemonster is going to hell
22:40 Katemonster cop-out
22:40 BotSteve Nice Vendetta reference. But still, tell us who you are!
22:40 tggmc even the bot wants to know, intersting
22:41 tggmc who could I be?
22:41 BotSteve An asshole, that is who you are =P
22:41 Seroster And you just tested negative for cprossu, and captain.
22:41 Katemonster my money would be on liz, except that she actually does, like, actual *work*
22:41 Katemonster botsteve: tell batsteve that i still have serious misgivings about allowing seroster to have puppeteer control of the bot
22:41 BotSteve Katemonster: I'll pass that on when batsteve is around.
22:42 Seroster Hahaha
22:42 Seroster Katemonster, .clear messages
22:42 Seroster =)
22:42 Katemonster i will reach through the internet and slap you.
22:42 Seroster Oh yes, slap me harder!
22:42 * Katemonster rolls eyes
22:43 Seroster It could be cory... But he mentioned cory in the third person
22:43 Seroster Not that it would surprise me if he did
22:44 Monkeh Seroster: Nothing Cory does surprises me any more. That kid is special.
22:44 Seroster And we love him for it
22:44 Katemonster yeah see, between cory and liz, i would imagine liz actually doing her work and cory fucking around on IRC;  idk who the other possible options are :/
22:44 tggmc Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!
22:44 Katemonster jim carey?
22:44 Seroster BASTARD
22:50 y007ghg7 welp im happy
22:51 y007ghg7 i got 8th place out of 48 teams
22:51 y007ghg7 when i showed up to the robotics competition our team has no working robotss
22:51 Seroster =)
22:54 y007ghg7 this is our 4th revision robot http://i.imgur.com/ETcML.jpg
23:01 astro73|alice y007ghg7: FTC?
23:01 y007ghg7 FTC?
23:01 astro73|alice and congrats on the underdog comeback
23:02 astro73|alice first tech challenge
23:03 astro73|alice nvm, FTC doesn't use vex anymore
23:04 Seroster y007ghg7, Very nice robot.
23:04 Seroster You need a girlfriend.
23:04 y007ghg7 i have a girlfriend
23:04 astro73|alice Seroster: It's amazing how many of them do
23:04 astro73|alice it's amazing how many of them are girls
23:05 astro73|alice y007ghg7: what competition was it?
23:05 y007ghg7 ^
23:05 y007ghg7 just the reanking competition
23:05 Seroster I know, I'm just teasing... It
23:05 y007ghg7 to see if i go to nationals
23:05 y007ghg7 ranking*
23:05 Seroster If you do be sure to post a link =]
23:05 astro73|alice y007ghg7: I mean, what program
23:05 Seroster And if you win you totally gotta namedrop tgg
23:05 Seroster Brb
23:05 y007ghg7 im confused
23:06 y007ghg7 im tired so its hard to think
23:06 astro73|alice y007ghg7: who organizes the event? who writes the rules of the competition?
23:06 y007ghg7 oh a friend of my school computer teacher
23:07 y007ghg7 and vex makes the rules
23:07 astro73|alice Vex runs it's own competition?
23:07 astro73|alice I always figured half the reason vex was developed at all was because FIRST made a game for it
23:07 y007ghg7 no a local guy does
23:08 astro73|alice now i'm confused
23:08 y007ghg7 same
23:08 astro73|alice does it have a name?
23:08 y007ghg7 nope
23:09 astro73|alice oh, Vex Robotics Competition?
23:09 y007ghg7 yep
23:09 astro73|alice ok
23:10 astro73|alice I hadn't heard of it
23:10 astro73|alice back when Vex came out, FIRST organized the FIRST Vex Challenge (later FIRST Tech Challenge) based on it
23:11 astro73|alice but FTC doesn't use the vex kit anymore
23:11 Electricguy teeh hee! cat humor :P http://www.n0.se/f/n/d5fa7_best-memes-2011-07.jpg
23:22 Electricguy sleeptime!
23:22 Electricguy night night all
23:30 iSash joined #thegeekgroup
23:31 iSash Hello ;)
23:31 iSash I just finished the first phase of building my snow machine!
23:31 iSash http://i.imgur.com/X2IsF.jpg
23:34 astro73|alice iSash: I think your phases might be a bit small
23:34 astro73|alice I can't believe nobody has written http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation_First,_Inc until now
23:34 BotSteve Title: Innovation First, Inc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:36 iSash astro73|alice, as in?
23:38 lwq-away im gonna go
23:38 lwq-away later
23:38 wannabe-afk bye lee
23:39 Seroster mrgh
23:39 Seroster Hey Electricguy
23:40 * Monkeh stabs OpenWRT
23:46 Coderjoe btw, people in the Kent County, MI area: do you like thunderstorms (or weather)? do you like helping your community in time of need? Come and become a trained weather spotter: https://www.facebook.com/notes/kentcounty-skywarn/do-you-like-thunderstorms-2012-severe-weather-spotter-training/310653375627490
23:46 BotSteve Title: Log In | Facebook
23:47 Coderjoe hmm
23:47 Coderjoe does that require a login?
23:47 wannabe-afk i don't konw...i'm logged into fb otherwise i'd check :P
23:47 Coderjoe yes
23:47 Coderjoe i just logged out and tried
23:49 Coderjoe fine. info (in the form of a flyer pdf) http://www.kentcountyskywarn.org/download/flyers/Advertisement%20skywarn%2012.pdf
23:50 wannabe-afk lol
23:51 * Cprossu checks IRC wants to know if anything's up
23:52 wannabe1987 hi Cprossu
23:53 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZo_FlJqfpg&amp;feature=g-vrec
23:53 * Seroster headdesks
23:54 yNos not a whole lot going on here...
23:54 yNos making chicken soup
23:54 BotSteve Title: Chris Angel receive 3 million volts in the Season 1 Episode 10 - YouTube
23:55 Seroster THAT IS SO FUCKING STUPID
23:55 Seroster HE'S IN A FUCKING FARADAY SUIT
23:55 Seroster FUCK
23:55 yNos yup
23:56 Cprossu Dare him to lick it
23:57 Cprossu lol
23:57 Cprossu or actually take an arc from it at any power level
23:57 Cprossu (it would SUCK)
23:57 Cprossu knives?! nah
23:57 Cprossu the pain is literally indescribable
23:58 Seroster There is absolutely no current whatseover passing through him
23:58 Cprossu yeah.
23:58 Cprossu could potentially get some nice RF burns if things were tuned right though
23:59 ajprog_laptop joined #thegeekgroup
23:59 Seroster And that falling down in the end is so overly idiotic and fake
23:59 Cprossu wb ajprog_laptop
23:59 Cprossu yeah no kidding
23:59 ajprog_laptop hi Cprossu

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