Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-01-06

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00:00 bygmesterfinnega well I'm glad you guys still exist
00:10 sndwrx I was under the impression that the old lab location was within the city of Kalamazoo, not in the sticks.
00:12 sndwrx Um, yeah.  I wouldn't exactly call the old location "middle of nowhere".
00:13 sndwrx The problem is that Kalamazoo is pretty crummy.
00:13 sndwrx And Grand Rapids is becoming that way, too.
00:13 sndwrx Regardless of efforts by some to rejuvenate certain areas.
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00:14 wannabe|tgg there
00:15 wannabe1987 much better
00:15 Cprossu ajprog_laptop / tggmc what's up?
00:16 Monkeh wannabe1987: Did your netbook get fixed?
00:17 wannabe1987 no....the power supply is dead
00:17 wannabe1987 need new power supply
00:17 ajprog_laptop Cprossu: the audio line from hv ---- is it still working?
00:17 Monkeh wannabe1987: Well, at least you know. :)
00:17 Monkeh wannabe1987: It might be possible to repair it if you don't mind duct tape.
00:17 wannabe1987 yeah...i guess :P
00:17 wannabe1987 how?
00:18 Monkeh wannabe1987: Open it, find the faulty part, replace it?
00:18 wannabe1987 hmmmm
00:18 wannabe1987 i don't mind duct tape
00:19 Monkeh You'll need to find someone who's _careful_ with a hacksaw or dremel to open it.
00:19 wannabe1987 thats what i figured...
00:19 wannabe1987 anyone?
00:19 Monkeh Anyone can open it
00:19 Monkeh It'll take one of the electrogeeks to fix it
00:20 wannabe1987 thats why i was asking "anyone" :P
00:21 Monkeh If nobody offers, keep it, because I'll either fix it or steal it if/when I get up there :P
00:22 wannabe1987 PUPPY!!!!!
00:22 wannabe1987 ok
00:22 wannabe1987 theres a dog in the next room....
00:22 wannabe1987 i need to wash my hands and eat, i'm starving
00:22 Cprossu thanks wannabe1987!
00:22 wannabe1987 for?
00:22 wannabe1987 o and DruidicRifleman:
00:22 Cprossu getting cold
00:22 Cprossu hope there's some hot chocolate somewhere for you
00:22 DruidicRifleman yes
00:23 wannabe1987 you mean walking off the sidewalk/grass?
00:23 DruidicRifleman yesh
00:23 Cprossu yeah it was awesome thanks
00:23 wannabe1987 lol
00:23 wannabe1987 did you get the measurements?
00:24 wannabe1987 my shoe is 11 and a quarter inches long.  it took two shoes for HVL to sidewalk, 6 for sidewalk, and 12 for sidewalk to curb.
00:25 * masterofmonks blinks.
00:25 Experimentonomen *braaaaaaaaaawl*
00:30 wannabe1987 what masterofmonks?
00:30 masterofmonks Well your feet are a bit above average.
00:30 wannabe1987 no, thats the shoe, from teh back of the heel to the toe....
00:31 wannabe1987 my feet are a size 9
00:31 wannabe1987 or 8.  or 9.5
00:31 wannabe1987 depends on the brand.
00:31 wannabe1987 sometimes i fit a 7
00:31 wannabe1987 crap.  i forgot to ask ynos my question when i saw him today :/
00:40 wannabe1987 mmmm sushi
00:44 wannabe1987 http://standardshift.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14682&view=unread#unread  how do you shop cars that are missing a brake(pad)?
00:46 wannabe1987 i think i killed irc :(
00:47 wannabe1987 .cookie irc
00:47 wannabe1987 here you go, irc, i baked you a tiny chocolate chip cookie!
00:47 wannabe1987 thanks kelly!
00:47 * wannabe1987 is talking to herself
00:47 wannabe1987 help
00:48 sndwrx .slap
00:49 wannabe1987 here you go sndwrx, i got you a slap!
00:49 wannabe1987 ??
00:49 wannabe1987 wait
00:49 sndwrx You using engine braking and whatever other brakes are available.
00:49 sndwrx In addition to things on the shoulder, like if it's a sand shoulder.
00:49 wannabe1987 mhm
00:51 sndwrx If you dropped a front pad, then oyu use e-brake because it activates rear brakes only (on most cars).
00:51 sndwrx anyway.
00:51 sndwrx time to pack it up.
00:51 Monkeh sndwrx: You mean people actually know how to use engine braking in Automatica, err, America?
00:51 sndwrx Monkeh: A few of us.
00:51 wannabe1987 lol
00:51 wannabe1987 drive safe
00:52 sndwrx Then again, I used to be an automotive enthusiast and I worked with cars everyday for ten years.
00:52 sndwrx That was my profession.
00:52 Monkeh sndwrx: And me, I just bother to understand how things work :P
00:52 sndwrx hehe
00:53 Monkeh Should see my sister, she has a cheat sheet for where the washer fluid is.
00:53 wannabe1987 ....
00:53 sndwrx A lot of our society aren't interested in the "why" or "how".
00:53 wannabe1987 i filled mine up the other day
00:53 sndwrx They just want to know that it works and that's all that matters to them.
00:53 Monkeh She also once parked a nearly empty car facing uphill and wondered why it wouldn't start.
00:53 sndwrx fun fun
00:54 sndwrx I could tell you stories, but it wouldn't be nice of me to do in the logged channel.  :P
00:54 Monkeh sndwrx: Oh, trust me, some people deserve it.
00:54 sndwrx Anyway I'm going to pack up the conference room and get ready to go for the night.
00:54 Monkeh sndwrx: Same incident: She thought the steering was broken.
00:54 sndwrx be back in about an hour and a half or so.
00:54 Monkeh She hadn't turned the ignition on.
00:54 Monkeh And the brakes, too.
00:54 wannabe1987 drive safe, ok?
00:55 Monkeh wannabe1987: Nasty out?
00:55 wannabe1987 no.  i just tell everyone to drive safe
00:55 Monkeh Good advice.
00:55 wannabe1987 i had a friend have a really bad car accident in oct 2010, she still can't walk
00:56 wannabe1987 i accidentally dipped my sushi in the wasabi OW
00:56 wannabe1987 dropped*
00:56 Monkeh wannabe1987: Buuurn, BUUUUUURRRRNNN
00:56 wannabe1987 i have chocolate milk next to the bed for a reason...
00:56 Monkeh Because you can't tolerate hot food? ;P
00:57 wannabe1987 yep!
00:57 wannabe1987 im a wuss
00:59 roadran422 ..
01:00 roadran422 I can eat it, I don't like it though
01:00 wannabe1987 what, wasabi?
01:04 Experimentonomen i had blazin bbq pringles earlier :P
01:04 wannabe1987 lol
01:04 Experimentonomen u should try em, girl :P
01:04 wannabe1987 i had a bacon chz burger from calvin for lunch :P
01:04 wannabe1987 no thanks
01:05 Experimentonomen i like hot food
01:05 Experimentonomen especially hot chicken with rice
01:05 tonsofpcs mmmm
01:06 * tonsofpcs needs dinner still
01:06 eadthem hey  http://www.youtube.com/user/Photonicinduction  what dose this say when you go to it ?
01:07 MoxieMike channel is no longer available because the user closed their account
01:07 eadthem thats photonic inductions channel
01:07 eadthem it must be a error
01:07 eadthem unless he finaly electrocuted himself
01:08 wannabe1987 lol
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01:12 Seroster Ha
01:14 Monkeh I uh, think his account's been hacked.
01:14 eadthem ya i was thinking that
01:14 Monkeh Photonicinduction liked 4 hours ago
01:14 Monkeh BNP Haters Beware, You Will Never Break The BNP (Vote BNP ✔ 2015)
01:14 eadthem i reported it as a bug
01:14 eadthem BNP?
01:15 Monkeh eadthem: British National Party. You may happily think of them as the British Nazi Party.
01:15 eadthem so there like republicans then
01:16 * Experimentonomen thinks abt resurrecting the IRF540/9540 mosfet amplifier he build many months ago
01:16 Monkeh eadthem: I know little or nothing of your politics, do republicans have one sole purpose of removing every non-white and non-american person from the country?
01:16 * Seroster giggles at eadthems comment
01:16 eadthem not that im terrably fond of democrats ither.
01:16 Seroster eadthem, Maybe you just hate people?
01:16 eadthem Monkeh  kinda   theres is more like removing everyones money and giving it to themselves and there busness supporters
01:17 Seroster Before you start going on about republicans being nazis I would like to remind you of the general guns gods and goverment policy.
01:17 eadthem corse like i sad  not that fond of any of them
01:19 eadthem naw  the matter at hand  did photonic induction accualy electrocute himself     or did his account just get hacked
01:19 Monkeh Likely the latter. Very likely.
01:19 SparkyProjects If he electrocuted himself, how did he delete his channel :P
01:19 Seroster Dude
01:20 Seroster Yeah, what sparky said
01:20 Seroster =P
01:20 eadthem could of been a requst or somthign of his gf
01:20 Seroster He got a gf?
01:20 eadthem she was in a few videos
01:20 Seroster If she came with any requests it would be "stop making burn marks in my fucking carpet will ya?"
01:21 wannabe1987 lol
01:21 eadthem nother thot is   maby he nolonger has a gf  and thats how his channel got hacked :p
01:21 SparkyProjects I don't think he would just delete it, even if he never made any more vids, he'd be likely to let us know in a vid i suspect.
01:23 eadthem hopefuly he linked to his cell phone
01:23 eadthem hopefuly youtube dosent accualy delete videos  they just hide them :p
01:23 Seroster Evrything can be reset.
01:27 Monkeh Wow, those UPS batteries really were fucked.
01:28 eadthem you know you can spike charge bad SLA and sometimes get them fully working agan
01:28 Experimentonomen looks like the charging circuit regulation failed and just cooked the batteries to death
01:28 eadthem just got to make sure there not warped or bloating
01:28 Monkeh eadthem: Only if they've not been laying around too long.
01:29 Monkeh iirc they can only lay flat for a month or so before you've got real problems.
01:29 eadthem the idea is the high currrent small spikes can loosen and dissolve the sulfide deposits
01:29 SparkyProjects I've seen worse, we had several 12 volt 12Ah batteries that had all split worse than that
01:29 eadthem SLA dont nessicarly have to lay flat however
01:30 * wannabe1987 was just invited to dinner...i switched it to tomorrow cuz i already ate :P
01:30 eadthem or do you mean drained
01:30 wannabe1987 and i was just IN gr....
01:30 Monkeh eadthem: Flat, drained, low charge..
01:30 eadthem ya  the idea behind high current spike charging is it will recover that
01:31 Monkeh Good luck recovering the ones I've got down in the shed.
01:31 Experimentonomen SLA batteries actally start to take damage as soon as the voltage sinks below 10 volts for a 12V one
01:31 Monkeh They've been flat for, oh, probably a couple of years.
01:31 eadthem i got headway on a SLA doing it but it got angry so i stopped
01:31 Experimentonomen and optimum long term storage charge is about 80%
01:31 Monkeh I know I've had the UPS for months and they were utterly dead when I got it
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01:31 wannabe1987 hi packetdude
01:32 eadthem 1 cell started building pressure  without getting hot so i figured  it was workign on 2 of the cells and that one was just bad
01:32 Experimentonomen g'day printersmasher :P
01:32 eadthem wow  those things are melted
01:32 * eadthem is watching the video right now
01:33 Monkeh eadthem: Be aware, Chris is excessively violent with it.
01:33 eadthem i wouldnt expect any less
01:33 Monkeh He breaks many things I would have liked to recover :{
01:33 Experimentonomen as i said, i would have done the disassemblu different
01:34 Monkeh Experimentonomen: I would've tried to neatly remove the batteries and not damage anything, because I doubt there was much wrong with that UPS.
01:34 Experimentonomen i take apart stuff in such a way its always possible to reassamble again
01:34 eadthem dose he murder the trannys
01:34 Monkeh At the very least it'd make an awesome source of parts for the electronics lab
01:34 Monkeh eadthem: No, they're going to use those for the cameras.
01:34 eadthem because those things are as good as a MOT
01:34 eadthem they will move some wattage
01:34 Monkeh eadthem: They're 125/24V, so perfect.
01:34 Experimentonomen the soul reson that ups was retired was likely cuz they couldent get the batteries out easily
01:34 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Pretty much.
01:34 Monkeh Experimentonomen: I could've done it, but it would've taken a while.
01:35 eadthem and he could turn the trannys in to a nice 24 volt psu
01:35 wannabe1987 sole*  not soul
01:35 Monkeh eadthem: As I said, he said they'll use those for the cameras.
01:35 Monkeh eadthem: tbh ONE of those should handle every camera they have, those are serious transformers.
01:35 eadthem easy
01:36 eadthem ive pulled 40 amps on my ups tranny from a APC 900 without any issue or heat
01:36 Experimentonomen ï could have restored that ups to like new by carefully drilling out the rivets, taking out the old batteries, rerivet the chassi, clean out the gunge and slide in the new pack and cleaned it up
01:36 Monkeh That's a.. what, 1600 or maybe as much as 2000VA UPS?
01:36 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Only rich people get those batteries in packs :P
01:37 Experimentonomen 24V at 30A, do the math
01:37 Monkeh Experimentonomen: I can buy enough for that UPS individually for the cost of a real APC pack (same batteries) for my little 700VA one.
01:37 eadthem ya it appears to have 2 of them just a bit smaller than the one i have
01:38 Monkeh Experimentonomen: 30A each makes it a 1400VA.
01:38 Experimentonomen however judging from the state of the original batteries, i'd say the charging circuit failed and kept overcharging until the batteries just melted
01:39 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Possibly. Also possible it was just too damn hot for them.
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01:40 Experimentonomen no its 720VA, assuming its 24V, though it looked like banks of 3 or 4 per bank so it may be 36 or 48 volts total
01:40 Monkeh Either way I bet that thing could've been repaired with a couple hours of work
01:40 eadthem i dont remember the 900 but the 350 i turned in to a chassis for my sous vidi controller had only a LM317 for the charge controller
01:40 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Two 4x packs, 24V each, two 30A 125/24V transformers.
01:40 Seroster Yo PacketHumper, where are you from?
01:40 eadthem i got schmatics from flyback #electronics a while back for most of them
01:40 Seroster Something boring like the us or interesting like... er. France?
01:40 eadthem wholy crap
01:41 Monkeh Experimentonomen: iirc they don't normally run those things on 48V
01:42 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Because at full charge that's >50V, taking it out of ELV range.
01:44 eadthem 63V is anotehr common value as well   not to bad off 48
01:44 eadthem not to mention you can run electrolitics over there rating within reason without costing them life
01:44 Monkeh Aha
01:44 Monkeh That's a 2200 or a 3000
01:45 Monkeh Probably the 2200
01:45 Monkeh (plate on the back)
01:46 Experimentonomen eadthem, like when i had my bldc drive with a 100V cap in it up to 120V without explosion
01:46 eadthem o man  he just crunched the drivers
01:46 eadthem those were worth something
01:46 Monkeh eadthem: Well the bunch he ripped off can probably still be used.
01:46 Monkeh eadthem: They broke clean off right at the joint.
01:47 eadthem ooo also for someone who talks to duck
01:47 tonsofpcs eadthem: how is the sous vide going?
01:47 eadthem if you peal off the outer wrapping of the trannys in APC ups
01:48 eadthem they used multiple windings of a lower guage   so if its like myn you can have  like 50V out  or 4 seperate rails at 24V out or several combinations
01:48 eadthem myn had 4 independant windings just solderd and taped together
01:48 Monkeh eadthem: Yeah, mine has multiple taps for different voltages.
01:48 Monkeh They're nice transformers
01:48 Monkeh (my UPS has a small army of seriously chunky relays to handle all that)
01:49 eadthem i mean  if its the same as myn  there will be 3 high current wires and 2 high voltage wires (mains)
01:49 eadthem you have high current drive 1    2 parralell windings    centertap to +   2 parralell windings   high current drive 2
01:50 Experimentonomen i have a 1.5kVA trafo with taps for 25, 75, 100 and 200V AC and a 500VA trafo with taps for either single or 2x 24V, 35V and 48V
01:50 eadthem easaly can be rewired for 4 seperate isolated windings   1 massive beefy winding and 1 high voltage winding
01:50 Monkeh Okay, that's a 2200VA with a 20A plug, which means it only actually does 1650VA (you guys need a higher voltage. Badly. I can do 3000VA. :P).
01:51 Monkeh Those transformers should handle like 10A in on the 120V side, which is.. yeah, LOTS coming out.
01:51 Experimentonomen those transformers look to be in the 500VA range
01:52 eadthem like i said my 900 VA ups had 1 that matched that size
01:52 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Judging by the UPS rating I'd try more like 1000VA
01:52 Monkeh They look similar in size to what's in my 700VA
01:52 Monkeh (I doubt they bothered having too many different transformers, frankly. It's all in the batteries as far as profits go)
01:52 eadthem but agan thats for step up and  also preforming SMPS dutys to round out the output waveform
01:53 Experimentonomen but rmember those transformers only supply charge current, they dont supply power to the inverter
01:53 eadthem when run with jsut a sine wave instead of PWM they shuld handle alot more
01:53 Monkeh eadthem: I'm pretty sure it's one for each bank of batteries. They're seriously height limited in those enclosures.
01:53 eadthem that would make sense
01:54 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Pretty sure it goes both ways..
01:54 Experimentonomen Monkeh, no
01:54 eadthem irf3710
01:54 eadthem http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irf3710.pdf
01:54 roadran422 batsteve
01:55 eadthem 100V .023 ohms  57A drive  230A pulse
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01:55 Experimentonomen a ups has two inverters, one that convertes battery voltage to 170VDC, and a second inverter that chops up this 170VDC to 120VAC in a pwm that output filters convert to a rough sine wave
01:55 eadthem Experimentonomen in an ideal world yes
01:56 Monkeh eadthem: In an ideal world it'd be a much higher voltage than that. :P
01:56 eadthem in reality most APC units have 1 inverter and 1 mains frequency step up transformer
01:56 Experimentonomen so the incomiong mains just supplies the 170VDC rail
01:56 eadthem and only if its a line interactive will they have 2 phisical inverters
01:57 Monkeh eadthem: That one should be line-interactive.
01:57 eadthem most big ones wont as what they wont tell you is only crappy PSU power supplys need line interactive
01:57 eadthem there shuld be no issue jumping a couple missed AC cycles for a relay to flip
01:58 Experimentonomen on ly upses i've seen that used a iron transformer as the stepup device was just a plain dumb 50Hz square wave thing with a NE555 like oscillator feeding the inverter
01:58 Monkeh eadthem: You're thinking of online UPSes.
01:58 Monkeh eadthem: Line interactive UPSes use a multi-tapped transformer to maintain the appropriate output voltage despite fluctuating input voltage
01:58 eadthem mmm right
01:59 eadthem just saying if its a older ups  and its a large one its quite likely nether interactive or online
01:59 Monkeh eadthem: That's a Smart-UPS XL. They're line-interactive.
01:59 Seroster No news on the photonic situation?
02:00 Monkeh (you can tell it's an XL by the external battery connector)
02:00 Experimentonomen though i have to admit that i cant really see a smps transformer big enough in there to be a 2kW low voltage to mains voltage switchmode converter
02:00 Monkeh It's not an RT so it's not online
02:00 Monkeh The RL is the only model which isn't line-interactive.
02:00 eadthem Experimentonomen each 1 of those is a 1000KVA
02:01 Monkeh eadthem: Uh, 1kVA.
02:01 Experimentonomen so maybe it is just a halfdumb modified squarewave inverter using a iron core transformer after all
02:01 eadthem there easaly the same size as the 1 transformer from my 900VA
02:01 eadthem ya
02:01 eadthem and seriously  add a cooling fan and you got your 100 more VA
02:01 Monkeh They claim they're true sine-wave. Mine certainly isn't.
02:01 Experimentonomen or even stright up 60Hz square wave
02:02 eadthem i think what i saw out of myn was like 92V bumps with alot of deadtime between them
02:02 eadthem rather rounded but that was it
02:02 Monkeh Yeah, mine's definitely not true sine wave.
02:02 Monkeh Makes a meter go batshit.
02:03 Experimentonomen true sinewave ones have a separate fullbridge converter chipping up a DC rail to a pwm that after filtering looks like a mains sinewave
02:03 Monkeh Doesn't have a problem running anything I connect to it, though.
02:03 eadthem lol ironicly the oscope incident was how i killed my 900
02:03 Monkeh eadthem: I have a good rule when it comes to this stuff.
02:03 eadthem i was at devry  had it on the bench with a test lead clipped to the output holding down the test button
02:03 Monkeh eadthem: Don't play around with mains voltages. :P
02:03 eadthem worked well
02:04 Monkeh Also don't turn them on without having a ground connected.
02:04 Experimentonomen a true sine ups is basivally a mains voltage class d amplifier
02:04 eadthem then my finger slipped off the tst button
02:04 eadthem and when i hooked it up i was thinkign  a hell black to black    oscope test lead to black wire on outlet
02:05 eadthem shot flames out of a surge strip and the oscope    let the smoke out of the ups and ya
02:05 Monkeh Anyway, you can be certain those are some frightfully powerful transformers. They won't be needing any others for their cameras.
02:06 Monkeh What's full charging current for one of those batteries?
02:06 eadthem oscope surived but everything else died
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02:06 Experimentonomen eadthem, was this a true sine ups ? if so both prongs in the mains outlet sits at half the DC bus voltage as theres a fullbridge in there or H-bridge as its also called
02:06 eadthem beangs the 350 was charged by a lm317  it could be more than 1.5A
02:07 eadthem my 900 was a generic standby ups
02:07 eadthem relay changeover
02:07 eadthem err it couldnt be more than 1.5A
02:07 eadthem im sure thats not the max the batterys will support but it was the max the little 350 did
02:08 Monkeh eadthem: The batteries say max 2.88A, so.. yeah, those transformers will do. Nicely.
02:08 Experimentonomen sounds like a really old ups, relay changeover is usually too slow to prevent a computer from  shutting down before the relay contact have moved the 2 millimeters to make contact
02:08 eadthem shuld only miss 2 cycles
02:08 eadthem at most
02:08 eadthem err half cycles
02:08 eadthem and any decent psu shuld handle that
02:09 Monkeh Experimentonomen: 3mm. :P
02:09 Experimentonomen i tried this with a power inverter and a relay and a amplifier, the amp shut off stone cold in the fer milliseconds the relay took to turn on
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02:09 Experimentonomen and amplifiers tend to have enough capacitors to stay alive plenty longer than a computer
02:09 Monkeh I like those old APC UPSes. They're more or less bullet proof.
02:10 Monkeh Not exactly Boden-proof though.
02:10 Experimentonomen nothing is boden-proof :P
02:10 eadthem Experimentonomen not nessicarly
02:10 eadthem depends on how its wired
02:10 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Oh, I'm sure I can find a few things he'll have to resort to power tools for. ;)
02:10 eadthem the amp stage may have the caps to keep it going but the control circut may not
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02:11 Monkeh That's why the UPS has a couple of big angry caps on the output side. You hope.
02:11 eadthem talking about a relay changeover ups
02:11 Experimentonomen well out of 10 tries, the amp stayed alive maybe one third to a half of the tries
02:11 eadthem caps wont help the good old classic kind
02:11 Monkeh eadthem: You mean like mine? ;)
02:11 eadthem because the AC is what is switched
02:12 Monkeh eadthem: Yeah, but you put a couple of caps on the output side and they should keep things alive for a moment.
02:12 Nam3o who was the band at the lab today?
02:12 Monkeh Speaking of caps
02:13 eadthem Monkeh that wont work on AC
02:13 Monkeh I need to get some new ones in my gaming box PSU.
02:13 tonsofpcs So my front-projection DLP has taken to clipping 'bright' colors (anything with a high value, reds more than greens and blues). It's got a digital signal going in and it's HDCP compliant, so I wouldn't think that it has any sort of analog stage, but then how is it clipping? It's not simply out-of-calibration either. I saw a post on a forum from someone with a similar issue who said his got worse with run-time and I believe mine
02:14 eadthem Experimentonomen you have to figure up how many watt seconds of power  at about 300W draw 940uF charged to 400V will sustane
02:14 Monkeh eadthem: I suppose it depends on what you're powering. If it's an SMPSU, it'll take DC from the caps all day.
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02:14 Monkeh I could just plug my entire cabinet straight into the batteries and it'd all run off 24VDC
02:14 eadthem Monkeh talking abotu a ups    AC in  AC out via a relay   when power goes out inverter starts at the same time the relay flips over to inverted power
02:15 wannabe1987 hi Bats
02:15 Bat-Mobile heya
02:15 eadthem ie non interactive non online ups
02:15 Monkeh eadthem: Yep, and a couple of caps on the AC output will keep anything which can eat DC alive while the relays work.
02:16 Experimentonomen your relay switchover ups sounds like a regular automotive power inverter and a relay switching between incoming mains and the inverter kinda deal
02:16 eadthem and what if the power fails at 0V
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02:16 eadthem Experimentonomen thats the classic ups
02:16 Monkeh eadthem: You mean like when I turn the switch off?
02:16 eadthem when you buy the cheep ups thats what you get
02:16 * Monkeh buys cheap ones
02:16 Monkeh .. from ebay.
02:17 eadthem and when you get ones like a APC350  you cant run them at 350 for the full life of the battery because they dont have a radiating heatsink on the drivers
02:17 eadthem its just a square block of aluminum
02:17 * Bat-Mobile buys cheap ones from off the back of a truck from individuals named "cheesy"
02:18 eadthem good enough to hold it for a fue min  but not enough    so heat on the inverter accualy becaomes the limiting factor in the small ones
02:18 Experimentonomen thats a offline ups, a online ups is one that has the inverter in circuit at all time, either stebbing mains down to batteryu voltage feeding the low voltage side or more commonly feeding the true sinewave inverters 170VDC rail as this is more efficient than having to use a 1kVA transformer first step down to 12-48V and then back up to 120VAC again
02:19 eadthem also remeber you dont need 170V rail to make the output you get on a true sinewave inverter
02:19 astro73|alice http://yourpants.org/
02:19 eadthem you just need 2 more taps on the low current winding
02:20 eadthem 2 to make 120V and lower  and 2 to make 170V
02:20 eadthem on 1 long winding  with +batt going in the middle tap
02:21 Experimentonomen if i wanned to build a 1kVA ups, i'd buy a 2x1kW car amplifier, take the inverter from it and rewind it for 320VDC output, then take four mosfets and make a fullbridge class d amplifier, then build a sinewave oscillator feeding said class d amplifier, then add a bridge rectifier to have the mains feed the class d amplifier, and a enable signal to turn the stepup inverter on/off
02:22 Experimentonomen much like a motor frequenvu drive works
02:22 eadthem if i wanted to build a 1KVA ups   i take a mot   strip the HV winding and put 1 long high current winding on it with 1 center tap
02:22 eadthem if i wanted true sinewave  3 taps
02:23 Experimentonomen you cannot pwm a iron core transformer
02:23 eadthem then all you need is 2 mosfets and a atmel to get AC  4 mosfets for true sinewave
02:23 eadthem you can
02:23 eadthem thats how APC dose it
02:24 eadthem its not a pritty PWM  its not a high frequency ither
02:24 Experimentonomen only way to get true sinewave with a iron core stepup would be to use a linear power amplifier such as a audio amplifier with the transformer on the speaker output, this would be very inefficient though
02:24 eadthem what most ups makers call true sinewave is 20% THD and lower
02:25 eadthem iirc you can get that with about 5 or 6 voltage steps 3 on the 120v   and 2 on the 170V
02:25 Experimentonomen there are two types of ups, true sinewave ups which are really just big class d amplifiers, and the modified squarewave kind that work the same way as the cheap automotive inverters
02:26 eadthem im not saying you cant use a class D
02:26 Experimentonomen i've never seen iron core stepup with multiple taps to sineify the output
02:27 eadthem im just saying the computers not going to know the diffrence between a 2 step inverting square wave and AC
02:27 Experimentonomen iron core inverters are usually just straight square wave and are more or less outdated
02:27 eadthem mmm ile have to check  i think the mininut man i took apart had 3 taps on the high current winding
02:27 Experimentonomen actually modified squarewave inverters are bad for computer power supplies
02:28 eadthem any PC power supply that featuers active PFC  ie no voltage selection switch
02:28 eadthem dosent even need AC
02:28 Experimentonomen they are said to eat computer power supplies, u'd be better off feeding a computer psu with a mains voltage DC source such as a bank of 12V batteries in series to get 120-170VDC
02:28 eadthem they will happly run on 90-240+ DC
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02:30 Monkeh eadthem: They'll run much lower than that.
02:30 eadthem well most state 90V AC
02:30 Monkeh eadthem: Should work down as low as around 20V. Certainly 48V is sufficient.
02:30 bygmester why does coca cola still contain coca leaf extracts?
02:30 eadthem 90V * 1.414 = minimum
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02:30 eadthem Monkeh no to 20V   unlikely to 48V
02:31 eadthem your realy pushing the limits of the PFC inductor at those voltages
02:31 eadthem it depends on the voltage hitting something reasonable atleast every 9 mSec
02:32 eadthem it still draws current at 20v and 48V  but it cant draw all its power at those voltages
02:33 SparkyProjects You can buy DC power supplies for computers, not sure what voltage they need, i think Cprossu mentioned it
02:33 eadthem o and Experimentonomen what there talking about is the input transent filter caps    they realy dont like fast rate of rise and rate of fall voltages
02:33 eadthem thats there point
02:33 eadthem it probably cooks them
02:33 eadthem long as you control the rate of rise and fall your fine
02:34 Monkeh SparkyProjects: -48VDC, telco standard.
02:34 SparkyProjects http://www.powerstream.com/DC_PC.htm
02:34 eadthem ya some realy insanely good power supplys could probably manage 48V but  48V stepup to 400V is a nasty order for a boost SMPS
02:35 eadthem ya SparkyProjects those are a totaly diffrent topolgy than a normal smps
02:35 eadthem err pc SMPS
02:36 eadthem the only reason they charge so much is becasue not many pepole make them    they realy shuld cost 1/2 the normal PSU price
02:36 SparkyProjects But a PC runs on DC, no need to go smps, just a few regulators
02:37 eadthem you must use a SMPS   you cant get 300W via linear
02:37 eadthem think of it this way
02:37 Experimentonomen u can buy power supplies for stationary computers designed spesifically tu run off a 12V battery
02:37 * Katemonster points gun in the general direction of electricguyLab
02:37 Experimentonomen such as in a car
02:37 * BitViper provides an aim-hack for Katemonster
02:38 eadthem ya  thsoe pass the 12v thrue and still have a buck mode SMPS for 5 and 3.3v   or  if there made for say 24V  they do buck mode SMPS on all 3
02:38 eadthem ie no isolation
02:38 eadthem and they are smaller than the size of a mouse
02:39 Monkeh eadthem: Not in a car they don't, you can't feed nigh on 14V to something expecting 12V
02:39 eadthem point is for a 48V and less DC in PC SMPS  you dont need 600V mosfets  you can use 100V or 70V mosfets
02:39 Experimentonomen the VCore for the spu is also ran from a buch converter from either the 12V or 5V line, so there too no isolation
02:39 Experimentonomen cpu*
02:39 Experimentonomen buck*
02:39 Monkeh Experimentonomen: 12V on basically everything now.
02:40 eadthem that alone is a huge cost savings    and if you dont require isolation then you cut another 50% off the cost  because then you only need an inductor and not a full transformer
02:40 Experimentonomen Monkeh, because u loose efficiencu on having voltage regulators in series
02:40 Monkeh eadthem: Google is not being helpful, I was attempting to find an article I read on a DC being converted entirely to 48VDC without changing the servers. It's old, unfortunately, and Google has gone downhill recently.
02:41 PacketHumper how do you guys talk in 2 places at once?
02:41 eadthem Monkeh its possable   im just saying that alot of PC SMPS designers wont put that much flexablity in to the PFC
02:41 eadthem as that means stuff rated to a much higher current
02:41 Monkeh eadthem: I don't tend to buy cheap PSUs. :)
02:41 eadthem ie more costly than say 90V min
02:41 Monkeh They always cheap out on the caps and that makes me ANGRY.
02:41 Monkeh However even my good one has some bad caps now.
02:42 Experimentonomen and most APFC specced pc psus are actually not apfc at all, they just have a inductor in series with the mains input
02:42 Monkeh SparkyProjects: While you're around, where do you go to source components (specifically, 400V caps. Big ones.) without forking out for minimum order quantities or obscene delivery?
02:42 eadthem nether do i     but i dont expect seasonic to design a PSU for  constant operation at 48V  as well as 169 and 339V
02:42 eadthem the cost would be to much
02:42 Experimentonomen and in most cases that inductor is just a dummy iron core with the two wures shorted together under the tape
02:43 SparkyProjects First place i look is either RS or CPC/Farnell
02:43 eadthem Experimentonomen those arnt in the list of good power supplys
02:43 Monkeh SparkyProjects: RS are horribly expensive on delivery (and a horrific nightmare to find anything on), CPC carry a hugely limited range (and again pricy delivery), Farnell have a minimum order.
02:43 eadthem as that kind of bodge job woudl show up very quickly on anyone with a kill a watt meter or similar device
02:44 Experimentonomen so the active pfc thing on pc psu's is just a big lie to boost sales
02:44 Monkeh eadthem: You seen the guts of the most recent Seasonic PSUs?
02:44 Experimentonomen much like these plastic boomboxes stating several hundred watts music power when real power is a watt or less
02:44 eadthem last time i bought 1 was about 1 year ago
02:44 eadthem so id say as of 1 year
02:44 Monkeh eadthem: They've changed a lot recently
02:45 eadthem not to shocking
02:45 eadthem 2 years ago  silverstone had good stuff   year after that pc power and cooling was all i trsuted
02:45 eadthem last time seasonic was looking the best
02:45 Monkeh eadthem: Silverstone are still decent supplies.
02:46 eadthem decent
02:46 Monkeh Not exactly top of the line but they're reliable and affordable.
02:46 Monkeh eadthem: This is one of the best on the market currently: http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/kingwin-550/kw550k.jpg
02:47 eadthem bit odd for the layout
02:47 eadthem i could see how they routed it
02:47 Experimentonomen i've taken apart hundreds of switchmode power supplies and only one have had active pfc, and that was a 3.5kW psu from IBM make in like the 80's or early to mid 90's
02:47 Monkeh eadthem: Put it on a real voltage and it's 95% efficient at 300W.
02:47 eadthem what brand is the primary cap
02:47 Experimentonomen anything newer than that barely even had a input filter
02:48 Monkeh eadthem: Unsure but most of them are Nippon
02:48 eadthem Experimentonomen if its active PFC  they wont have as much in them
02:48 eadthem transent filter   then bridge rectifyer
02:49 eadthem then its at the boost mode SMPS that is the PFC  then to the primary cap at about 300-500V
02:49 eadthem then it goes in to the main SMPS and then to the main smps transformer and output finisher ciruct
02:49 Experimentonomen the 3.5kW one had more filtering on the input than any smps i ever seen
02:49 wannabe1987 so i am clearly online, yet my icon for wifi says i'm offline :P
02:49 eadthem not suprising  it was made in the 80s  so it probably did not have active PFC
02:49 eadthem passive PFC is indictive of massive input coils
02:50 Experimentonomen and i have never ever seen active pfc in a pc psu, most i ever seen have been the iron core inductor in series with the mains input
02:50 eadthem and a voltage selection switch
02:50 eadthem Experimentonomen it shuld be easy to find
02:50 Experimentonomen the 3.5kW psu put out 48V at 73A
02:51 eadthem a resonablly sized inductor  possably a ferrite Ecore   1 winding to the + of the bridge recitfyer   other to the top of a mosfet  and the mosfet to ground
02:51 Seroster http://www.tradera.com/3-fas-brytare-16-ampere-ny-fast-gammal-auktion_301864_146043022  <<< Aaaaand that's mine!
02:51 eadthem and the wire to the mosfet also leads to a diode to the primary cap
02:51 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxkAl5-Fx1s <-- in this video i show the guts of the 3.5kW psu
02:52 eadthem and because of active PFC the input filter takes up about 1/5 the space of a classic passive PFC
02:52 Experimentonomen the large transformer looking thing on the board was the APFC inductor
02:53 eadthem you said it tho
02:53 Experimentonomen a large ferrite core inductor
02:53 eadthem it was from the 80s
02:53 eadthem if it had PFC  it was likely in the low KHZ range
02:53 Experimentonomen i used that inductor to make a 2kW buck converter variable from 0 to 320VDC
02:53 Experimentonomen 20-30kHz
02:53 eadthem exactly
02:54 eadthem modern active PFC runs at 100 to 500KHz
02:54 Experimentonomen that psu still worked, but the snubber caps on the fet/igbt modules has exploded :o
02:54 eadthem higehr the frequency the smaller the filter required to block it
02:55 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZusPy5PQ_0M <-- theres the buck converter prototype
02:56 masterofmonks http://wimp.com/bobbymcferrin/
03:00 Seroster Yo PacketHumper, where are you from?
03:01 eadthem dont know  looking at jonny guru seams kingwin tied with seasonic
03:01 eadthem ile stick with my seasonic till i have reason not to    then ile prob look at kingwin because those were some impressive oscope captures
03:03 eadthem http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&amp;op=Story3&amp;reid=256
03:03 eadthem this is why ive shied away from silverstone
03:03 eadthem my silverstone started doing some stuff like that
03:04 eadthem also for some reason they had a small forward faceing vent inside the case  with a bottom mount fan
03:04 eadthem i never figured that 1 out  as that is the totaly wrong way to design cooling
03:05 eadthem had i saw said vent before i got my former silverstone i prob wouldnt of gottten it
03:06 eadthem anyoen figured out why they have 80+  bronse silver gold platinium
03:06 eadthem why not make them 80+ 85+ 90+ 95+
03:06 sndwrx Hostage situation in Greenville.
03:07 sndwrx That's like the third major event to happen in Greenville in about two months.
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03:07 roadran422|zZz Bat-Mobile. Fix the bot.
03:10 Seroster What are the small mobile drawers that you put under your desk for storage called?
03:11 Seroster Google translate gives me hurts -> Pedestal, wich is anything but what I am looking for.
03:11 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Because 80+ is sort of a known brand.
03:11 MoxieMike filing cabinet?
03:11 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Also, the forward vent is working around a fundamental flaw in the ATX form factor.
03:12 Seroster Does filing cabinet apply to both the ceiling high and the hip high ones?
03:12 Sgt_Lemming Seroster, a hutch?
03:12 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: If it's got deep drawers it's a filing cabinet.
03:12 Seroster A hutch sounds better
03:12 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: If it hasn't got deep drawers, it's.. well, drawers.
03:13 Seroster But it isnt
03:13 eadthem realy because all it did was pump hot air in to the case
03:13 Seroster http://norrgavel.se/wp-content/uploads/Hurts-med-sockel-s%C3%A5pad-bj%C3%B6rk.jpg
03:13 eadthem tbh the ideal design for power supply cooling was the 80mm forward facing fan
03:13 sndwrx Filing cabinets don't necessarily have deep drawers.
03:13 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh, there is no fundamental flaw in the atx form factor, it's that the ATX form factor was not desigend to handle pc's as powerful as modern ones
03:13 eadthem corse tahts not so much needed with 85% and 90% psu's
03:13 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: With a 120 or 140mm fan you've either got to ruin the airflow (and thus noise reduction..) with a baffle or place a vent on the front or you end up with a hot spot inside the PSU.
03:14 Sgt_Lemming the BTX form factor  was an attempt to ready this, but failed because of intel being idiots basically
03:14 sndwrx If the drawers have rails along the top, spaced such that hanging folders fit.  Alternatively, if there is a frame inside the drawer, intended for hanging folders.
03:14 Seroster I just want a piece of furniture 50cm wide 70cm deep 100-250cm high. And I need like six or eight of them.
03:14 MoxieMike we do have a lack of good words for organizational furniature. You might just want to look for "storage units" and you'll find a whole bunch of things that might suit your needs
03:14 Monkeh|Lap A problem greatly reduced with the more efficient PSUs which use banks of modular connectors along that edge, actually.
03:14 MoxieMike go to www.ikea.com
03:15 MoxieMike they have modular things like that.
03:15 eadthem Monkeh defantly
03:15 Seroster Dude. I'm swedish.
03:15 MoxieMike LOL sorry
03:15 MoxieMike haven't been following.
03:15 sndwrx Yeah, that's like shopping at Goodwill for him.
03:15 Seroster And IKEA is wonderful, but pricetags is an issue.
03:15 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Once PSUs start to catch up with the likes of current Seasonic and Kingwin offerings those vents will disappear.
03:15 sndwrx He goes to a REAL furniture store.
03:15 * sndwrx snickers.
03:15 MoxieMike ours is a bastard language so specific terms like that are hard
03:15 Seroster I got two of them at a second hand store for a tenner
03:16 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: In a case with seperate chambers they're a non-issue anyway.
03:16 MoxieMike milk crate?
03:16 Sgt_Lemming mmmm, antec p183
03:16 Sgt_Lemming so awesome
03:16 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: I dislike what they did with the P183.
03:16 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Two steps forward, one step back.
03:17 Sgt_Lemming what's bad about it?
03:17 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: For starters that door is horrible.
03:17 Monkeh|Lap I own two P182s because the door is plain and simple and flat. The P183 ruins that.
03:17 Sgt_Lemming better than a lot of other case doors
03:17 Seroster They now hold one drawer of inductors and motors, one of mechanical stuff and screws, one for misc wires, one for tape glues zipties and oils, one for industrial applications and one for regular 230volt wiring.  And on the side there's a boatload of nails on wich my tools hang.  Ten bucks is a good price for that. Now I just want two identical ones in my closet, and a dozen in the storage room.
03:17 eadthem you can have your antec cases
03:17 Monkeh|Lap That CP form factor is nice, though.
03:17 Sgt_Lemming the p183 door is still flat, but it has more ventillation which the case needed badly
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03:17 eadthem but i would not trust my motherboard to a antec psu
03:18 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I've more or less gone off their cases anyway. And their price tags.
03:18 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I've had a good Antec PSU. But in general they're quite low end.
03:18 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: With horrible, ugly vents.
03:18 Sgt_Lemming meh
03:18 eadthem thats the thing   they practice statistics
03:18 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: I never had a cooling issue with the door on my 182s.
03:18 eadthem they buy a % from good names like seasonic
03:19 eadthem and then the other % is low in stuff thats about a drop away from a powmax or DEER
03:19 Monkeh|Lap But I also removed their horrible restrictive fan covers and added decent foam filters instead
03:19 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Yeah, they tend to buy from three or so different manufacturers
03:19 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh|Lap, it was more about not having to have noisy fans to pull enough air trhough the door to keep a high end system cool
03:20 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Yes, and their highly restrictive fan doors were a big issue there. As are the grills.
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03:20 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I've got an Antec 350W around somewhere which got cooked and still works great.
03:20 Sgt_Lemming I had a p182, removed the inner fan covers and modded the mesh to make it better flowing
03:21 eadthem i think we will see the LCD and flat panel market in the same boat as what motherboards were in and waht ps's are recovering from
03:21 eadthem ive been hearing alot about powerboards filled with crappy teapo and other no name caps   and alot about the convection cooling not keepign them below temp and them exploding
03:21 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: I'm leaning back towards Silverstone lately. And of course Fractal.
03:22 eadthem not herd of fractal
03:22 * Experimentonomen mumbles
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: But unless something amazing comes out my next case will be an FT-02.
03:22 Sgt_Lemming my current case is a silverstone, but that's because they make the only decent mini-ITX cases for high end mini-ITX rigs
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Those cases are really, really awesome, probably the best on the market for high end rigs.
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Well, high end air-cooled
03:22 eadthem anyone make a decent dual motherboard case for itx?
03:23 eadthem ya silverstone knows how to style casework
03:23 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, morex and supermicro have some rackmount ones
03:23 eadthem mhhh
03:23 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Not just style, but awesome thermal design.
03:24 Monkeh|Lap http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/silverstone-ft02/09-inside.jpg
03:24 wanabe-afk night!
03:24 DruidicRifleman Any one with experence using Arduino Know which of these is better for making a Wifi controled robot http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/arduino/arduino-modules/ardnn-320328.html or http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/arduino/arduino-modules/ardfu-010116.html
03:24 eadthem last case i bought was about 45$ for my dads computer    it was a cooler master model with the entire front made from punched metal and foam filters behind it
03:25 eadthem great cooling
03:25 eadthem great for his office/finishing shop area
03:25 eadthem because he can just shopvac the front down once a month
03:26 eadthem only thing i didnt like was that they listed the front case fan as 80mm and it was able to fit 80 90 100 and 120 mm   and i wished i could of gotten another 120 mm to run at 50% speed instead of the 80mm
03:26 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Typical of case revisions.
03:26 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/itx/done/  thers a ITX case :p
03:26 Monkeh|Lap They can go through some huge changes over the years, and Coolermaster have a habit of making the same case for most of the decade.
03:27 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Wish you could still get Chieftec cases.
03:27 eadthem 140mm fan  300W seasonic 80+ silver
03:28 Monkeh|Lap They make 'em, but good luck buying them without getting a couple pallets worse.
03:28 eadthem draws 50W for both itx boards   runs 1 PSU for both
03:28 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Overkill PSU. :)
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03:28 eadthem i wanted a 250W but i also wanted seasonic
03:29 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I'd have used a couple of pico's powered by a decent 20V or so supply.
03:29 eadthem it was a generic box seasonic    still qualaty guts but not a fancy matt black case
03:29 Monkeh|Lap Pricy but efficient
03:30 eadthem ya but when i was adding up the cost the psu was 56$   2 itx power units and a brick was like 140$
03:30 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I run all my little 12V stuff off one PSU now.
03:30 eadthem i wanted to keep the build under 300$  as thats how much i saved in power over 1 year by axing the amd athlon 850Mhz server  and the P2 400mhz router
03:31 eadthem i thought about intergating the hub and running it off the psu's 12v but never got around to it
03:31 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AaY-z6Xgp3M/Tv-8nS95QtI/AAAAAAAAAUc/QK6NIqUvLqs/s800/IMG_20120101_015159.jpg
03:31 eadthem just like i never got around to mounting the power button for both boards and the leds
03:31 Monkeh|Lap Butchered a 'broken' external HDD PSU for +5V and +12V
03:31 Monkeh|Lap So much nicer than an army of wallwarts.
03:31 eadthem not to bad
03:32 eadthem alas i only have 3 warts atm
03:32 Monkeh|Lap It runs fans in my cabinet on the 5V
03:32 eadthem unless i plug in the flatbed scanner  or run my DMM off the 9V adapter
03:32 sndwrx Monkeh|Lap: Thanks for the info earlier.  It does display a message window.
03:32 Monkeh|Lap Cabinet ambient temp is now the same as the room instead of.. shall we say rather noticably warmer?
03:32 sndwrx It's big and obnoxious, but it works.
03:32 Monkeh|Lap sndwrx: :)
03:33 eadthem ya i think the psu exaust on my itx setup is just barely noticeably above ambent
03:33 eadthem the server board runs at about 2F over ambent
03:33 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: My cabinet's got a pair of switches, a modem, and the previous incarnation of that PSU in it (an old AT supply I had doing nothing.)
03:34 Monkeh|Lap Ambient temp of about 18C, cabinet temp without fans of about 32C..
03:34 eadthem what board?
03:34 Monkeh|Lap What board in what?
03:34 eadthem these are via 7W eden  300mhz/1.4ghz
03:34 eadthem 32C
03:34 Monkeh|Lap No no, cabinet as in 19" comms cabinet with my switches.
03:35 Monkeh|Lap Talking ambient air temp inside it
03:37 eadthem o
03:38 Monkeh|Lap I can't afford fancy VIA stuff. ;)
03:38 Monkeh|Lap It's three times the price over here..
03:38 eadthem see i cant help but think, how much cheeper would it be to run 1000 via eden's than there supercomputer equilvent in cpu power
03:39 eadthem i mean 25W for 1g ram  1.4ghz and a mech HDD
03:39 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Ahh, there's better than that.
03:39 eadthem prob 20W  5 of that is probably lost int he psu
03:39 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, problem becomes the latency between nodes
03:39 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: ARM can pull off 5W for RAM and a quad-core CPU :P
03:39 eadthem dont know  the processor in that thing dose alot of stuff as efficantly as this computer witch is a athlon 3000+
03:39 eadthem true  but thats my same point
03:40 eadthem im all for amd beeing in with CRAY
03:40 eadthem but i think cray and company would do better with something like a bunch of lukes  eden's or ARM's
03:40 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, latency between nodes
03:40 eadthem i know
03:40 Sgt_Lemming the more nodes, the worse the latency
03:40 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvADPrjIe98/TsVBQuHNAII/AAAAAAAANl4/5sR-8K-ey4s/s1600/hpredstone2.png
03:41 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: There are hundreds of machines in that. :)
03:41 eadthem not all tasks can be independantly multithreaded in that way
03:41 Monkeh|Lap When they start rolling those out I see VPSes dying out..
03:41 eadthem alot need to talk between threads and alot cant be easaly multithreaded
03:41 eadthem at all
03:41 Cprossu Bat-Mobile: tell electronics when I logged in this morning to the mc server, 1/2 of the hvl was blown up, let me know what happened, we fixed it all up and saw your thumper circuitry (or what was left of it)
03:42 eadthem but for things like folding or seti
03:42 Cprossu damn
03:42 eadthem where they can be totaly independatly threaded
03:42 Cprossu Bat-Mobile why don't we have botmobile?
03:42 Sgt_Lemming Cprossu, sounds like you need logblock running
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03:43 eadthem blown up?
03:43 eadthem as in they had a incedent or as in cameras died
03:43 Sgt_Lemming in the minecraft map eadthem, not the real lab
03:43 eadthem ouch
03:43 Bat-Mobile Cprossu: there you go
03:44 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Fix the real thing. :P
03:44 BitViper Cprossu : celticdragon just stopped by, wanted me to tell you
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03:46 eadthem whats the minecraft server?
03:46 wanabe-afk .minecraft
03:46 Bot-Mobile wanabe-afk: Legacy TGG minecraft server: gamerxreviews.net:25565. Server Status: UP
03:46 Bot-Mobile wanabe-afk: Cprossu's minecraft server: 72.222.196.252:25565. Server Status: UP
03:47 Seroster Goodnight folks
03:48 eadthem so witch one is the lab on?
03:48 Bat-Mobile Monkeh|Lap: work in progress
03:49 wanabe-afk Bat-Mobile: thanks for bringing a bot back....
03:50 eadthem ok minecraft in the browser = bad idea
03:50 Bat-Mobile wanabe-afk: sorry it's so glitchy
03:50 Bat-Mobile best I can do right now
03:51 wanabe-afk at least it works a bit...
03:51 wannabe1987 sorry Toastdude, not going to sleep yet :P
03:51 wannabe1987 still reading things...
03:51 Toastdude :D
03:52 wannabe1987 i blame masterofmonks
03:52 masterofmonks ???????
03:52 masterofmonks Spatula?
03:52 Toastdude Yes.
03:52 wannabe1987 you gave me a website....and i've been reading it ever since :/  and now i've gotten to other sites from there
03:53 wannabe1987 not all bad ones....this one's about SI
03:53 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: What'd you break? :P
03:54 Bat-Mobile CPU fan and power supply
03:54 Monkeh|Lap Well done, sir.
03:54 Bat-Mobile I have some weird heatsink that regular 80mm fans won't mount to
03:54 * wannabe1987 claps
03:54 Bat-Mobile So I can't just buy an 80mm and screw it on.
03:54 Bat-Mobile Already tried that.
03:55 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: AMD by any chance?
03:55 Bat-Mobile Yeah
03:56 Bat-Mobile phenom3 I think
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: 70mm fan.
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Unless they've changed it
03:56 Bat-Mobile or possibly tri-core phenom2
03:56 Bat-Mobile Who carries 70mm fans?  Everyone?  No one?
03:56 Bat-Mobile I've not heard of them before.
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Specialists.
03:56 wannabe1987 the power cord for my netbook died :(
03:57 Bat-Mobile bugger
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: I'd just change the whole heatsink.
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Normal tower case or something special?
03:57 DruidicRifleman OK am i reading this right but is the memory on the nano half the fio for 2 times the cost??? http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/arduino/arduino-modules/ardnn-320328.html or http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/arduino/arduino-modules/ardfu-010116.html
03:57 Bot-Mobile Title: Arduino Fio - Arduino Modules - Arduino
03:57 Bat-Mobile Regular tower
03:57 Bat-Mobile ATX board
03:57 Bat-Mobile etc etc
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Let's see what Newegg have these days
03:58 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Happiness is a Xigmatek: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
03:58 Bot-Mobile Title: Newegg.com - XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler bracket included LGA 2011 i7 i5 775 1155 AMD and dual fan push pull compatible
03:58 Monkeh|Lap Just check the height, I'm used to manly cases
03:59 Seroster Goodnight folks
04:00 Bat-Mobile night Seroster
04:00 wannabe1987 night sero
04:02 Bat-Mobile .dice
04:02 Bot-Mobile Bat-Mobile: 1
04:02 Bat-Mobile ok good
04:03 wannabe1987 hi astro73
04:03 wannabe1987 .tfw 49428
04:03 Bot-Mobile 38°F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Jenison, MI!  'GREAT! If you're a penguin.'
04:03 astro73|alice hi wannabe1987
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04:05 eadthem man minecraft distroyed my browser
04:05 eadthem chrome could not handle it
04:06 eadthem 500mb ram to 2GB ram in 1 page load
04:07 astro73|alice i don't think you can blame chrome for that...
04:07 Monkeh|Lap Javaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04:08 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Das Bot can always live upon my VPS.
04:08 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: Even got IPv6.
04:08 Bat-Mobile this is the best channel ever.  you're the second person to offer server space for the bot.
04:09 Monkeh|Lap I recall offering a while ago :)
04:09 Monkeh|Lap Not like a bot is any load at all on my VPS
04:09 Monkeh|Lap I've managed to trim the memory usage down hugely anyway
04:14 eadthem yep
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04:22 Bat-Mobile did the bot crash too?
04:23 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: yarp
04:23 DruidicRifleman botsteve should i take apart old toys and make robots
04:23 Bat-Mobile DruidicRifleman: did you read the topic?
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04:23 Experimentonomen *yawn*
04:23 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: He can read? ;)
04:24 wannabe1987 morning, Experimentonomen
04:26 Experimentonomen *yawn*
04:26 Experimentonomen guten morgen wannabe
04:27 Toastdude Wie geht's?
04:27 DruidicRifleman bat mobile what topic
04:27 Experimentonomen bored, tired :(
04:27 Experimentonomen :/
04:30 Bat-Mobile the topic of the channel, druid
04:30 DruidicRifleman ah not to day
04:30 wannabe1987 "bot steve is going to be down for another 24 hours"
04:31 Monkeh|Lap Or, seeing as it's approaching friday, probably longer. ;)
04:31 Bat-Mobile yeah
04:32 Monkeh|Lap Bat-Mobile: It flies down to the warehouse or it gets the hose again.
04:32 Bat-Mobile Lab's Live Stream: http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup |   Channel log: http://bit.ly/fPNer2 |  Minecraft TGG Lab File: http://goo.gl/zz0PK | ANNOUNCING MEMBER BLOGS http://is.gd/tggblogs | BotSteve will be back up in 24 hours.  If BotSteve is not back up in 24 hours, read this message again.
04:32 Bot-Mobile Title: Topic: Member Blogs! Yay! | The Geek Group
04:32 Topic for #thegeekgroup is now Lab's Live Stream: http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup |   Channel log: http://bit.ly/fPNer2 |  Minecraft TGG Lab File: http://goo.gl/zz0PK | ANNOUNCING MEMBER BLOGS http://is.gd/tggblogs | BotSteve will be back up in 24 hours.  If BotSteve is not back up in 24 hours, read this message again.
04:32 Bat-Mobile there.
04:33 wannabe1987 lol
04:33 DruidicRifleman Soooo i have a blog now?
04:35 Toastdude Are you a card carrying member?
04:37 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, i guess the 1987 in ur nick is ur birf year
04:37 wannabe1987 omg no wai!!!!
04:38 wannabe1987 (thats a yes)
04:38 * Experimentonomen was assambled in 1985
04:39 wannabe1987 assembled?  lol
04:39 wannabe1987 i was partially assembled in 86, partially in 87
04:40 wannabe1987 noes....not the bot
04:40 wannabe1987 and my music died :(
04:40 * Experimentonomen unpauses his music
04:43 wannabe1987 deadpod :(
04:53 Experimentonomen :P
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05:00 wannabe1987 yay you're here :D
05:00 wannabe1987 hi lee
05:00 lwq1996 hi
05:00 Experimentonomen g'day lwq1996 *yawn*
05:00 lwq1996 i slept till 10 and just got done with homework
05:00 Toastdude Lee!
05:01 lwq1996 hia toast
05:02 wannabe1987 from when till 10?
05:02 lwq1996 should i read my book? i havent started it and ar points are due 17
05:02 lwq1996 and this book was from last semester
05:02 wannabe1987 you should read :)
05:02 lwq1996 idk from 6till 10 i think
05:03 wannabe1987 nice nap
05:03 Toastdude You have AR too?
05:05 lwq1996 yes toast
05:05 lwq1996 how many points you need?
05:06 lwq1996 like per 9weeks
05:06 Toastdude 15 for A-, 24 for A+
05:06 lwq1996 oh i found the two job sites that my dad works on
05:06 lwq1996 wow i only need 10 points
05:07 lwq1996 how many points is a average book
05:07 Toastdude 5 idh
05:07 Toastdude *ish
05:07 lwq1996 holy shit
05:07 lwq1996 ours is the same
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05:16 Toastdude Night all
05:17 wannabe1987 night toasty
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05:23 eadthem Guardianzozo ya i need to sleep ile try it agan later
05:23 eadthem ile see if it works real quick then im off to bed
05:23 Guardianzozo later dude
05:23 Guardianzozo ok
05:24 eadthem its updating now
05:24 eadthem i forced it  so that might be it
05:27 egrsteve morning
05:28 lwq1996 hey guys is a .THM file a video file
05:29 * wannabe1987 hugs lwq1996 and goes to bed
05:29 lwq1996 ok later
05:33 Experimentonomen *yawn*
05:33 DruidicRifleman No sleep
05:34 Experimentonomen lwq1996, .thm is a thumbnail image file
05:34 eadthem cya off to bed
05:35 Experimentonomen http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/thm
05:36 lwq1996 i see
05:56 * Experimentonomen contemplates DC servo
06:09 Coderjoe oh hey. i just found the captains blog i'm in. waaay back in april.
06:10 Coderjoe beeh awhile since i've been to lsl
06:18 Coderjoe man, I hate seeing myself in videos'
06:24 Experimentonomen hm
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06:28 Gaxnys I like trains
06:30 dr_jkl waht
06:30 dr_jkl who highlighted me
06:48 egrsteve no, I am not sane
06:49 DruidicRifleman I'll attest to that
07:22 lwq1996 ok guys time for me to go to bed
07:23 lwq1996 kater
07:23 lwq1996 later
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07:31 Cprossu new captains blog is up!
07:31 Cprossu hey dr_jkl what's new?
07:36 Cprossu wow it's dead in here
07:36 Cprossu egrsteve it's dead in here!!!!!!
07:37 Nebster its sleeping time
07:45 Coderjoe sleep? what is that?
07:46 Cprossu I have no clue
07:46 Cprossu btw you should see how the lab's progressed Coderjoe
07:46 Cprossu got 2 more staircases in
07:47 Coderjoe oh, you mean the McLab
07:47 Cprossu yeah rofl
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07:55 hackpath hello guyz..
07:55 Cprossu hello Hackbat
07:55 Cprossu * hackpath
07:55 Cprossu <Tab> is dangerous.
07:56 hackpath hey guyz i forgot my yahoo password n i dnt have alternate id & i also forgot security qs ... how can i get my account back???
07:56 Cprossu email yahoo support, likely you're screwed though
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07:56 PacketHumper howdy howdy
07:57 Cprossu esp if you used a false birthdate or none when you registered it
07:57 PacketHumper anyone know the name of the of the band that shot the video today in the HVL
07:58 PacketHumper guess they aren't that popular.
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07:58 PacketHumper lol that peer sure is a funny guy
08:01 Cprossu he didn't cover the 'computer donation dangit'
08:01 * Cprossu needs to know what kludge there is to kludge with
08:01 PacketHumper lol yah i noticed that too.
08:01 PacketHumper we just got done watching it
08:02 Cprossu well egrsteve and yNos will keep me updated of any goodies that I can help with
08:03 PacketHumper well since no one knows the name of the crappy hipster band i'm outa here for tonight.
08:03 DruidicRifleman Hows the lab model comming
08:04 PacketHumper i dunno, they don't want me helping because i mostly build with tnt
08:04 PacketHumper they say it's counter productive.
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08:04 PacketHumper i think it's important to kno the science of how a building made with explosives will explode
08:10 DruidicRifleman yeah...
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08:12 DruidicRifleman hey mark
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08:46 electricguy morning
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09:04 Cprossu time to call it a night
09:04 Cprossu and do a backup
09:04 Ponko night Cprossu
09:08 electricguy night Cprossu
09:08 electricguy ooh yeah! :D old hardcore :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90p1jy3iTus
09:11 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnCtjU9iZ-U&amp;feature=player_embedded oooooo get that man some ice.... oh wait.... never mind
09:14 electricguy W...T...F on earth! photonicinduction have nuked his channel... =(
09:16 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=P98RASWfkhA some omgs right here
09:16 Ponko and WHAT???
09:16 Ponko bet Sero had something to do with it
09:16 electricguy no one knows what have happened
09:17 Ponko link me
09:17 Ponko hacked
09:17 Ponko he was hacked
09:18 electricguy everything is just hearsay. no one really knows
09:18 Ponko if you're reading this on the log Seroster, you got what you wanted ;)
09:18 electricguy Aussie50 talking a little about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mceUO6GVhw&amp;feature=g-u&amp;context=G2dc2ce2FUAAAAAAAAAA
09:25 Ponko .seen SpeedrunnerG55
09:25 Ponko oh shit yeah Botty is down
09:30 Experimentonomen i am pretty sure its gf related, i had a friend on minecraft disappear, later finding out his gf forced him to delete the game from his computer, photonic's gf/wife probably finally decided she'd had enough, and knowing his temper, he might have smashed his computer in rage or something, or he simply gave up due to these video editing issues hes been having
09:31 Experimentonomen i doubt it has anything to do with sopa and such, its either a account hack which may well be his own gf/wife as she more than likely knows his password
09:32 Experimentonomen or he just figured he ran out of things to do and decided theres no point keeping the account
09:33 Ponko hmm
09:33 Ponko alot of trolls rejoiced i guess :/
09:33 Experimentonomen it might even be work related, maybe his work would no longer allow for messing around
09:33 Experimentonomen who knows
09:33 Ponko well only time will tell
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09:36 electricguy he's the boss and owns the company he works at, so i think he sets the rules when it comes to job related stuff
09:36 einball *yawn* Good morning
09:36 electricguy morning einball
09:36 Ponko guten morgern einball :) wie gehts?
09:37 einball Super! .. Nur ein bisschen zerknittert. Lag auf meinem Netbook :)
09:38 einball The day is safe and sane: I've got coffee! :)
09:38 Ponko lol ;)
09:38 Experimentonomen i wonder what kinda response i'd get if i closed my account without notice, bt considering most of my subscribers are like young kids that sub4sub i doubt anyone would really notice
09:39 Ponko lol
09:40 einball Today is a good day! :)
09:40 Ponko very good day
09:40 einball Soldering the whole day long
09:41 Experimentonomen but speaking of photonicinduction, he sent me a pm on youtube a few months ago about cleaning up is subs, deleting those that dident have content similar to his and that mine was on his keep pile which i find strange
09:41 Ponko other than the loss of photonicinduction
09:41 einball What happened to him?
09:41 electricguy lol, there are like 3 "missing photonicinduction" groups on FB already XD
09:41 electricguy einball, no one knows
09:42 Coderjoe if a company wants to regulate what I do in my non-working time, IMO, they can shove it. As long as I am not breaking laws, I don't think it is much of their business what I do in my off time.
09:42 Ponko lol how sad electricguy
09:42 electricguy yeah
09:42 Experimentonomen there was a similar thing going when davesfarm got his account shut down
09:42 einball I miss his DIE BITCH DIE stuff :D
09:42 electricguy personally i think it's very sad that the channel is gone, cause he had many fun and interesting videos
09:43 Ponko yeah some not naming people *cough cough* Seroster *cough cough* didn't like him
09:43 Experimentonomen still today there are ppl making videos about 1puglife's sky hill motorhome accident
09:44 Ponko hmm
09:45 Coderjoe on the "gods I hope not" front... perhaps he got seriously injured or killed while making a new vid and his family killed the channel to try and protect the kiddies?
09:45 Coderjoe GRAH
09:45 electricguy possibly
09:46 Ponko yeah but c'mon
09:46 Coderjoe watching the band shoot... for gods sake, EVERYONE PLAY THE SAME TEMPO
09:46 Experimentonomen i highly doubt thats the case, if he got killed it was more likely at his real job
09:46 einball hrhrhr .. he burned the carpet :D
09:46 Ponko that could of happened alot
09:47 Coderjoe I should probably get to bed
09:48 * Ponko hands Coderjoe his PJs
09:51 electricguy LOL! XD http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/387734_350832721610603_264986813528528_1476723_869835103_n.jpg
09:52 einball o_O
09:52 einball what's so funny about that?
09:53 electricguy i find it really funny for some reason XD i know. o have bad humor :P
09:53 Ponko yeah electricguy, einball is Deutscher
09:54 electricguy yeeeah that might be why the joke failed
09:54 Ponko yeah....
09:54 einball i just don't understand what should be funny there XD
09:54 electricguy kampfy = comfy...
09:54 Nebster so its not heil-arious?
09:55 electricguy lulz
09:55 Ponko omg lol
09:55 einball electricguy: ouh, now I under .. lol :D
09:55 einball But this is cooler: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/adolfin.jpg/1325843701
09:55 electricguy :P
09:55 electricguy LOL
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09:56 Ponko lol
09:56 tehdark45 lol
09:56 tehdark45 wuts funny?
09:56 tehdark45 :P
09:56 Ponko you missed it
09:57 Ponko check the log lol
09:57 electricguy bad timing :P
09:57 einball http://pics.nase-bohren.de/adolfin.jpg/1325843701
09:57 electricguy http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/387734_350832721610603_264986813528528_1476723_869835103_n.jpg
09:58 einball I always get flamed here in germany if I make a adolf joke :P
09:59 tehdark45 Oh guys I saw a video where a guy commented saying that photon is fine and will make a explation vid soon. And then aparently this is his channel http://www.youtube.com/Thisisphoton
09:59 einball (What the hell, iam not even born  in that time .. how can I be responsible? :P )
09:59 Nebster But then there was a video that said that wasn't him just someone trying to steal his familarity
10:00 tehdark45 yeah that is possible
10:00 Cprossu good night all
10:00 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=bL3y3NV_iGg
10:00 electricguy from what i have heard that supposedly new channel is just some wannabe
10:00 electricguy but who knows
10:00 tehdark45 Cprossu, stealing from DJ? :P
10:00 Cprossu no such thing.
10:00 Cprossu it's a collaberation.
10:01 tehdark45 i know
10:01 electricguy is that one the server or singleplayer?
10:01 Cprossu that's the one on the server
10:01 electricguy oh nice :)
10:01 Cprossu finished for the night
10:01 Cprossu it's just a quick run around
10:01 electricguy good jon
10:01 electricguy job*
10:01 electricguy it was fun building on that :D
10:01 Cprossu a lot of people worked on this
10:01 tehdark45 way too much glass
10:01 Cprossu and will continue to
10:01 Ponko nice
10:02 electricguy *le clicking subscribe*
10:02 Cprossu tehdark45 one who casts stones shouldn't go to tgg labs.
10:02 Cprossu serously.
10:02 * Ponko appears to of already subscribed
10:03 tehdark45 Cprossu, cast stones?
10:03 tehdark45 cast stones*
10:03 Cprossu .g one who casts stones glass house
10:03 Cprossu DAMN
10:03 Cprossu noooooo
10:03 tehdark45 you mean
10:03 Cprossu botsteve we miss you get well soon
10:03 Ponko what's his ailments
10:03 tehdark45 throws stone in glass house?
10:04 Cprossu cpu fan
10:04 Ponko ah
10:04 Cprossu tehdark45 it's a saying and I am really tired
10:04 tehdark45 i can see. but its only 2 :P
10:04 Ponko yeah Cprossu i've heard that loads of times lol
10:05 Cprossu it's 'only' 3 here
10:05 Cprossu =P
10:05 tehdark45 oh right AZ isnt PST
10:05 Ponko lol
10:05 Cprossu screw you and your DST!
10:05 einball hrr, the dead cat thing :D
10:05 electricguy :P
10:05 tehdark45 if it is DST then it is called PDT ;)
10:05 Experimentonomen what exactly is garrysmod, is it a game in itself or just a mod thing that can be applied to any game ?
10:05 electricguy brb! coffee :D
10:05 Ponko well screw the lot of you i've got GMT
10:06 Cprossu it's a game to itself
10:06 Cprossu esp at this point
10:06 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, you get tools to do whatever you want
10:06 tehdark45 using the source engine
10:06 tehdark45 kinda like the geek group
10:07 tehdark45 but virtual
10:07 Cprossu it's like the geek group on a budget =D
10:07 Cprossu plus you can kill eachother without reprocusion
10:07 Ponko isn't the geek group ON a budget lol
10:07 Ponko ah well
10:07 tehdark45 Cprossu, is minecraft GG on no buget with all the diamond?
10:07 tehdark45 :P
10:07 Experimentonomen so its a fps game with a few extras
10:07 Cprossu does budget imply bleeding money out your ass Ponko? =P
10:08 Ponko idk lol
10:08 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, its in first person, but killing is not the agenda
10:08 tehdark45 infact
10:08 tehdark45 the agenda is nothing
10:08 Cprossu minecraft is like TGG except 5 lines of code takes up an entire room
10:08 Cprossu =P
10:08 tehdark45 you can get mods for it
10:08 tehdark45 like wire
10:09 Ponko yow
10:09 tehdark45 and make crazy contrations
10:09 Cprossu wiremod is damn good
10:09 Cprossu ACF is good too
10:09 tehdark45 yes
10:09 Cprossu I highly reccomend both
10:09 Ponko i like playing Sim City 4
10:09 tehdark45 Cprossu, are you a million chip or E2 kinda guy?
10:09 Cprossu you'll want wire for the adanced duplicator if nothing else
10:09 Cprossu I do both depending on the need tehdark45
10:09 tehdark45 ah
10:09 Cprossu the main thing I want though is I built a V8 elastoslider engine
10:09 * Experimentonomen thinks the real life equivalent to redstone is ruby
10:09 Cprossu (as I call it)
10:10 Cprossu and I am having a bitch making a timing program
10:10 Cprossu the gyro's don't do what I need them to
10:10 tehdark45 code your own?
10:10 tehdark45 :p
10:10 Cprossu I'd like a 1-360 deg counter
10:10 Cprossu I tried but it only goes 0-180 and back
10:10 Ponko i made Avalon in SC4
10:10 Cprossu which is annoying
10:10 tehdark45 Cprossu, times it by 2 at a point?
10:11 Cprossu it counts down tehdark45
10:11 Cprossu 0 - 180, 180-0.
10:11 tehdark45 ok
10:11 Ponko ok bbl gonna build on Avalon
10:11 tehdark45 Ponko, are you finding a million bucks?
10:11 tehdark45 :P
10:12 Cprossu if you come up with a solution I'd love to hear it, I've been toying with the idea of making a points system on a detector circuit
10:12 electricguy oki, back :)
10:12 Cprossu and possibly gearing it 1:2 for the lols.
10:12 Cprossu (so I can have a true 4 stroke)
10:12 Ponko hey tehdark45 i was within a WHISKER of getting a HUGE donation
10:12 Ponko but fell short
10:12 tehdark45 Cprossu, talk to Joe, i'm sure he can fix it
10:12 tehdark45 lol
10:13 tehdark45 Ponko, how?
10:13 Ponko well it wasn't illegal =]
10:13 Cprossu tehdark45 do we at least get cred for the lava lit tgg sign?
10:13 Cprossu heheheh
10:14 Ponko lol Cprossu that's epic
10:14 tehdark45 no all your projects are belong to me!!
10:14 Cprossu here's hoping HVL isn't destroyed again in the morning
10:14 Ponko Creepers?
10:15 tehdark45 Cprossu, was keags on your server?
10:15 tehdark45 ;)
10:15 Cprossu no, electronics made something that I didn't get to see
10:15 Cprossu best I can imagine it had a tnt magazine
10:15 Cprossu and was a working thumper
10:16 Cprossu he built the controls inside the pool xD
10:16 tehdark45 with the buildcraft mod you can make electricity
10:16 Cprossu tehdark45 it's going into the modded server when it's done
10:16 tehdark45 ah
10:16 Cprossu and we'll use control blocks to move the controls elsewhere
10:16 Cprossu but right now we don't need distractions
10:17 Cprossu get the building done first then distractions
10:17 Cprossu electronics lab, supply field, and wood shop are the last majors
10:18 Cprossu and AV studio isn't filled with crap yet
10:18 Cprossu we might not fill it with crap and say we did
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10:19 Cprossu anyone who wants to is more than welcome to drop by
10:19 Cprossu once again before sleep, server info is 72.222.196.252:25564
10:20 Cprossu if you have anything that might blow up/catch things on fire that you want to put in the lab, test it behind the lab by the lake near my prototype lava light.
10:21 electricguy a geek is born http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/img/2011/02/geek-born.jpg
10:21 electricguy XD
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10:21 * Experimentonomen sucks at everything in minecraft
10:22 tehdark45 ok that was fun
10:23 electricguy lol
10:24 Ponko hmm
10:24 Ponko i would LOVE to play minecraft but i has no moneys
10:24 Ponko its £12 but i don't have 12p
10:25 electricguy i think you can still play minecraft classic
10:25 Ponko yeah but isnt that the demo?
10:25 electricguy it's a weird version of minecraft.. that's about it :P
10:26 Experimentonomen its like the first alpha prototype
10:26 electricguy it got some mods installed and that. it's more like the creative mode in the 1.0 version
10:27 Experimentonomen but i think u have to be a paying customer to be able to use the multiplayer part
10:27 tehdark45 no you dont
10:27 Experimentonomen if the freeware version even has that
10:27 tehdark45 server owner just has to allow it
10:28 Experimentonomen i tried to join servers before i bought the game and it just said user not premium
10:31 einball tehdark45: not possible
10:31 einball since 1.0
10:31 tehdark45 what did they do?
10:32 * Ponko fancies having a curry
10:32 tehdark45 Hurry Curry
10:33 tehdark45 Ponko, wouldn't you rather have bangers and mash?
10:33 tehdark45 :P
10:33 Experimentonomen but u couldent join a server with mc classic anyways since it'd say outdated client
10:33 electricguy if it's a private server you can still allow players to play on it even if it's a non paid client
10:33 Ponko hmm could do
10:33 tehdark45 yeah
10:34 * tehdark45 wonders who knows what that is and isnt in the UK
10:34 tehdark45 and didnt google ir
10:34 tehdark45 it*
10:35 Experimentonomen sopa is just the uk version of the aussie mandatory internet filter that dave jones ranted about few months ago
10:35 einball Okay .. to say it in the facebook style: I gonna have a shower now! *sees the waynetrain coming*
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10:36 Experimentonomen its the government censoring the internet to protect the children, somthing the parents are supposed to do, but because the parents dont, the government steps in and takes away our freedom, diy is likely to be banned before this year is over
10:36 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, your country is run by a dead pirate?
10:36 tehdark45 lol
10:37 Experimentonomen and youtube will be a thing of the past in a few months if the sopa thing goes through
10:37 tehdark45 Oh your not in aus lol
10:38 tehdark45 sopa is being decided by a bunch of old people
10:38 tehdark45 that have no clue
10:38 tehdark45 and are following the money
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10:40 Experimentonomen and the electronics markets move to leadfree solder and smd components is not only environmental, i think a big part is to hamper diying
10:40 mikey-t seen the same argument over and over, recordable tape then recordable cd, then mini disc, then downloads, every time theres a big upheaval, they throw a few scare tactics and it all dies down again
10:40 electricguy just mailed to a guy selling a ipod 3g 40GB.. as i had no luck with the other seller. he seems to know what he got since he's also selling a hackintosh, lol
10:41 Experimentonomen 3g ipod, aint that an iphone ?
10:41 tehdark45 3rd gen
10:41 electricguy no. 3rd generation ipod with 40GB HDD
10:41 tehdark45 like whats that? 2003?
10:41 electricguy RockBox here i come!!
10:41 electricguy something like that XD
10:41 electricguy i think
10:41 electricguy gonna google it..
10:42 electricguy it's only 25 bucks for it.. i can't buy a new decent mp3 for that. lol
10:42 electricguy between 2003 and 2004
10:43 tehdark45 lol
10:43 electricguy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/IPod_Models_Timeline.svg/700px-IPod_Models_Timeline.svg.png
10:43 tehdark45 i was right
10:43 tehdark45 On April 29, 2003
10:43 tehdark45 from wikipeida
10:43 electricguy depends on the HDD size
10:43 Experimentonomen is it actually possible to install a different os on an ipod through the connector provided for the ipod dock and that ?
10:43 tehdark45 30 GB model was upgraded to 40 GB on September 8, 2003.
10:43 tehdark45 there is your answer
10:44 Experimentonomen or is it done by putting the ipods hdd in a cf card slot in the computer ?
10:44 electricguy yes. you need the USB sync cable. then you can install a diff. OS. as you can also flash the ipod with iTunes via USB
10:44 tehdark45 oh god
10:45 tehdark45 the horror
10:45 tehdark45 win7 with a wheel navigation
10:45 tehdark45 lol
10:45 electricguy oh shit
10:45 Experimentonomen speaking of ipods, i wonder whats happened to my zap sr500, the little thumbwheel is malfunctioning, in menus it just jumps randomly
10:46 electricguy speaking of wheel navigation... RockBox can use the iPod wheel and buttons as either a multimedia controller or a mousepad for your computer XD
10:46 Experimentonomen i wonder if i simply wore it out or if it was condensation and sharp temp changes that killed it
10:47 tehdark45 one day, im gona live in the USSR
10:47 tehdark45 lol
10:48 electricguy NICE! seems like i can put a CF card in the 3rd gen. ipod too. gonna do that if i buy this one...
10:48 electricguy a 8GB CF card is enough. i'll probably never fill up 40GB with music...
10:48 Experimentonomen using a cf card should improve battery life
10:49 electricguy and shock resistance
10:49 Experimentonomen i assume even a fc card size microdrive is a power hog just like any harddrive
10:49 Experimentonomen cf*
10:50 electricguy balls.. seems like i need an adapter for that..
10:50 electricguy oh well, the solution costs 3.80 dollars here http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cf-to-toshiba-1-8-inch-ide-hard-drive-converter-10886
10:51 tehdark45 electricguy, you might need to scan your credit card and statement to get it
10:51 electricguy but... hmmm.. the pin spacing looks identical on both ends of that adapter...
10:51 tehdark45 lol
10:51 electricguy i have never done that when buying from DX :P
10:51 electricguy never :) and i have bought stuff from them many many times :)
10:52 Experimentonomen and i wonder whats with this credit car thing with dx lately, they want a picture or scan or whatever of your credit card, id/drivers license or a reciept from a earlier order
10:52 electricguy i bought a pair of headphones from them last week, didn't get any question about such a thing
10:52 Experimentonomen may be just a us thing
10:52 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, all your details are belong to DX
10:53 Experimentonomen whoever was buying the baluns called it a scam and cancelled the order
10:54 tehdark45 so will any intelligent person
10:55 Experimentonomen chris did a bit of a rant on it in a captains blog, saying its likely legit, but still a bit too much private info to give out just like that, especially since dx supposedly wanned the proof upload to be to imageshack.com
10:56 tehdark45 not to mention that imageshak is a pile of steaming shit lol
10:56 electricguy imgur ftw :3
10:56 tehdark45 electricguy, yep
10:56 Experimentonomen imageshack muct be the slowest image sharing site ever, takes forever to load
10:56 electricguy i really like it. simple to use nice GUI and pretty fast
10:57 electricguy not like imageshack.. XD that's SLOW :P
10:57 Experimentonomen imgur is nice but sometimes it gets caught in a loop that despite logging in, when i go to my albums, i'm looked back out again
10:57 Experimentonomen but that may well be locally
10:57 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, they must run it on windows ;)
10:57 Experimentonomen like a cookie issue or something
10:58 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, browser>
10:58 tehdark45 ?*
10:58 einball It's alive! http://h11.abload.de/img/img_74736cjv3.jpg
10:58 Experimentonomen during these hiccups, i keep getting "upload failed" when trying to upload images,
10:59 Experimentonomen tehdark45, google chrome
10:59 tehdark45 einball, IMGUR!!
10:59 tehdark45 :P
11:00 einball abload is okay .. fast enought :)
11:00 Experimentonomen i used to use firefox until they started having problems with the update thing, then i started using opera which worked more or less fine but for some reason i switched to google chrome
11:01 tehdark45 einball, maybe for you dutch, since your all on drugs :P
11:01 electricguy tehdark45, nice. some DOG display?
11:01 electricguy einballs*
11:01 electricguy oops
11:01 electricguy einball, *
11:01 electricguy :P
11:01 tehdark45 lol electricguy
11:01 electricguy BALLS!
11:01 einball tehdark45: iam german ... :P
11:01 electricguy it all looks pretty and that. but WTF did you do to the little transistor next to the LEDs? :P
11:02 einball always on time, never lazy and (of course) a nazi!
11:02 tehdark45 einball, what you doing using a de website then
11:02 tehdark45 :P
11:02 einball electricguy: figured out, how to put it ... the instructions had been unclear there :)
11:02 electricguy so, let me guess. some DIY 80 meter QRP tranceiver? :)
11:02 einball tehdark45: .de is .deutschland = german
11:02 einball .nl is dutch
11:03 einball electricguy: jip
11:03 electricguy nice :)
11:03 einball not only 80 .. 160 80 40 20 15 10
11:03 * electricguy 's signal is SA7BHV :)
11:03 einball every mode has its own bfo
11:03 tehdark45 you just love comfuing things in europe dont you? with the UK and .de being german and .nl being dutch. why not .ge?
11:03 electricguy nice! :)
11:03 tehdark45 LO
11:03 tehdark45 l
11:04 einball and there is room for extensions (custom extensions). Everything is "open source"
11:04 einball tehdark45: BECAUSE WE CCAN :D
11:04 einball electricguy: DL8JAN over here :)
11:04 electricguy okey! :D
11:04 electricguy QSL
11:04 tehdark45 einball, are you GlaDOS?
11:04 tehdark45 :P
11:04 einball When my baby is finished then we may have a QSO? :>
11:05 einball tehdark45: Not quite, why? :P
11:05 electricguy maybe :P
11:05 electricguy there is a crapload of QRM in here :P
11:05 tehdark45 einball, becuase you said because we can
11:05 einball But GladOS is one of my friends tehdark45 ^^
11:05 einball electricguy: S8 to S9 over here
11:05 electricguy lol
11:06 electricguy 599
11:06 einball iam next to train lines, twoo floors beneath me are 2 Magnet Resonance tomographs ..
11:06 electricguy LOL XD
11:06 einball tehdark45: because we can is very popular over here :)
11:06 tehdark45 einball, it is GlaDOS, Generic Lifeform Disk OS
11:06 tehdark45 :P
11:07 tehdark45 GLaDOS*
11:07 einball electricguy: AND! 1Veff on my feedline, because there's a 100kW MW transmitter 500 yards away from my antenna :(
11:07 electricguy oh dear... XD
11:07 electricguy build a remote system for you rig! ;P
11:08 tehdark45 100kw MW? you mean, 100MW?
11:08 tehdark45 oh nvm
11:08 tehdark45 lol
11:08 einball http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:M%C3%BChlackerSendeanlage.jpg&amp;filetimestamp=20070503044930 it looks so cute .. but its FROM HELL!
11:08 electricguy 100MW is a lot of RF power... ;P
11:08 tehdark45 oh yeah
11:08 electricguy XD
11:08 tehdark45 you can get to canada
11:08 tehdark45 lol
11:09 einball I'd like 100MW
11:09 electricguy :P
11:09 einball Because then I could power light bulbs with my garden fence
11:09 electricguy 100MW in a QRP rig... *cough*
11:10 tehdark45 einball, probably be seen as hostile
11:10 tehdark45 :P
11:10 electricguy "whaaat??!?! too much power? hel no! this is a QRP rig... geez"
11:10 electricguy :P
11:10 einball no, the Mw transmitter (I dont want to pay the power bill :P
11:10 einball tehdark45: political? :D
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11:10 tehdark45 einball, well yeah. I dont think obama want 100MW of radio entering his country
11:10 tehdark45 :P
11:11 tehdark45 and einball, just hoot it up to a substation
11:11 tehdark45 :P
11:11 tehdark45 hook*
11:11 einball mmmh, I like the "religious refugees" better :D
11:11 einball QRP is a religion :D
11:12 einball tehdark45: 100Mw of RF needs about 200Mw of power ...
11:12 einball maybe even more
11:12 einball so a nuclear power plant would be sufficiant
11:12 einball a->e
11:12 tehdark45 Oh heavenly father, Transistor, i beg your forgiveness
11:12 tehdark45 lol
11:12 einball transistors do not forgive
11:13 einball transistors do not forget
11:13 einball transistors are legion
11:13 tehdark45 einball, hook it up to a main power plant then
11:13 tehdark45 and if you have to
11:13 tehdark45 parralell eith france's power station
11:13 tehdark45 with*
11:14 einball hmm, I really would like to come to the US. There is enough space for a big antenna. and NOT THAT FUCKING BUREAUCRACY :'(
11:15 tehdark45 einball, trust me, you don't
11:15 tehdark45 Canada is where it is at
11:15 einball tehdark45: Why? :)
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11:15 einball Somewhere in the desert .. hehe
11:15 einball lonely ... bunker ... <3
11:15 tehdark45 you aren't automatically a terrorist here
11:15 tehdark45 lol
11:16 einball At least I want to escape germany
11:16 tehdark45 einball, are the polish opressing you now?
11:16 tehdark45 :P
11:17 electricguy whow! EG is going to be home alone this evening :3
11:17 killakee electricguy: it did work
11:17 tehdark45 electricguy, http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg
11:17 killakee the capassitor thing ;)
11:18 tehdark45 capacitor*
11:18 einball tehdark45: no, but germany sucks balls
11:19 killakee im from norway give me a break ;)
11:19 * einball throws a break at killakee
11:19 killakee yeah they invaded my contry :P
11:19 killakee thaks
11:19 killakee darn it
11:19 killakee thanx
11:19 tehdark45 einball, dont you mean germany sucks worst?
11:19 tehdark45 :P
11:19 electricguy tehdark45, LOL! *megusta.jpg*
11:19 einball tehdark45: well .. :D
11:20 electricguy killakee, nice
11:20 killakee but they left sweeden alone ... why is that ?
11:20 killakee :P
11:20 tehdark45 electricguy, *trollface*
11:20 * Experimentonomen listens to some eddie meduza
11:20 einball tehdark45: i hate the bureaucracy very much. the spirit of the ppl .. It's like "Yeah, i exist. I go to work. I eat.  breath. I sleep. Thats my life. Now go and fuck yourself" over here
11:21 electricguy LOL
11:21 einball Iam like "Hell yeah, can we? don't know, but lets try!"
11:21 killakee oh is it troll day today ?
11:21 killakee be nice yo
11:21 tehdark45 sounds alot like america to me
11:21 tehdark45 lol
11:21 killakee it a føkking steppermotor yo
11:21 killakee :P
11:21 einball hm
11:22 tehdark45 killakee appears to be a pomey
11:22 tehdark45 :P
11:22 killakee heh...
11:22 killakee dont even go there
11:22 killakee ;)
11:22 einball I guess, we are a special kind of humanoids .. We should found a community ... local ... call it whatever we'd like and have fun :D
11:22 tehdark45 killakee, technially I am
11:22 tehdark45 because of my parents
11:22 tehdark45 lolol
11:22 electricguy this rage comic is fucking true :P http://www.n0.se/f/n/effc4_384136_1666686003996_1742689872_844939_1064311579_n.jpg
11:22 killakee XD
11:23 tehdark45 if i ever become homeless
11:23 tehdark45 imma hop on a plane
11:23 einball lol electricguy ^^
11:23 tehdark45 and live in the uk
11:23 killakee heh.. become homless and then tell
11:23 killakee i actualy have become once
11:23 tehdark45 then tell?
11:23 einball tehdark45: the UK sucks ... Okay, not everybody .. Photoincinduction lives there :D
11:24 killakee i lost everything i owned in a fire ...
11:24 killakee that was the monkey balls
11:24 tehdark45 einball, photon has dissapeard from the tubes :(
11:24 killakee :P
11:24 einball BURN motherf* BURN :D
11:24 tehdark45 the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
11:24 einball Well, would be no problem for me. I don't own something worth a penny
11:24 killakee weeeehh.. you made a funny :D
11:24 tehdark45 killakee, you own a computer
11:25 electricguy http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-mc-hammer-cat.jpg
11:25 electricguy LOL
11:25 killakee yeah i saved it
11:25 tehdark45 einball, you own a computer *
11:25 killakee hehe
11:25 einball tehdark45: it is quite cheap
11:25 killakee electricguy: why cant you export thunder snus to norway :(
11:25 tehdark45 einball, but is it still worth at least a penny
11:25 einball I have no friends either ... So .. what ties me to germany? ;)
11:25 killakee you lucky guys
11:25 tehdark45 and if you add the value of the data
11:26 einball tehdark45: literally ... gtfo XD
11:26 electricguy killakee, lol :P because snus is bad! ;)
11:26 tehdark45 kk
11:26 tehdark45 you first
11:26 tehdark45 :P
11:26 einball ^^
11:26 killakee and smoking furthers the health ?
11:26 electricguy smoking is also really bad :P
11:26 einball killakee: errr .. its fun! at least the green stuff
11:26 einball lightens your life up :P
11:27 killakee realy ?
11:27 electricguy it tastes like shit, it smells like shit, and you pay to get a shorter life! :)
11:27 tehdark45 einball, see, i knew it! you are on drugs!
11:27 einball tehdark45: unfortunately not ... iam like this all the time :)
11:27 einball electricguy: True .. Cheers :D
11:27 tehdark45 what? german or crazy?
11:27 tehdark45 :P
11:27 electricguy :P
11:27 einball err .. both
11:27 killakee dumb fucks saying shit like that ... then you have noo clev
11:27 killakee cleu
11:27 electricguy oh yes
11:28 killakee :)
11:28 killakee i lost 18 friends couse drugs
11:28 einball Even in c-base i've been declared as the ubernerd ... :(
11:28 electricguy i tried smoking once, was the worst shit i have ever tasted... it's an extra cost and you get a shorter life and smell bad :P put that money on something useful instead ;)
11:28 tehdark45 i dont mind other peoples smokes as long as they dont smell like shit
11:28 tehdark45 which 99% do
11:28 einball tehdark45: +1
11:28 killakee i smoked for 10 years...
11:29 electricguy so?
11:29 tehdark45 killakee, did you smoke good smelling ones?
11:29 einball Well .. I smoke .. twice a year? :P
11:29 killakee the green stuff... and it has fucked me up so bad i cant tell you ..
11:29 killakee never EVER do that
11:29 einball killakee: Well .. never lose control about what you do.
11:29 killakee EVER!!!
11:29 tehdark45 einball, +1 for?
11:29 electricguy another chatfriend of mine stopped smoking about a year ago, she feels much better now and have saved in over 500 dollars..
11:30 einball tehdark45: let me look up the log :D
11:30 einball tehdark45: for the smelling thing
11:30 killakee even sitting here defending smokin the green stuff says alot abuote your person...
11:30 tehdark45 Ecigs are banned in alot of places
11:30 tehdark45 oh ok
11:30 tehdark45 yeah
11:30 tehdark45 public transport here, i have to deal with them smokers
11:31 killakee hah
11:31 einball killakee: I don't think so. Look, it would say anything if I'd smoke like everyday. But twice a year - come on! do you never like ... drink anything? That also "destroys" you.
11:32 einball As I said: Never loose control about what you do.
11:32 tehdark45 einball, of course you drink
11:32 tehdark45 :P
11:32 killakee never judge a book of its cover.. just read it and find out it sucks... and make you have medisine for the rest of your life ?
11:32 killakee hell no
11:32 tehdark45 Bier, mmm
11:32 tehdark45 lol
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11:33 killakee what do you call it lithium ?
11:33 tehdark45 thats a metal
11:33 tehdark45 :P
11:33 einball killakee: So you suggest, I should start smoking everyday and then tell you that the book sucks? No thanks, iam fine with the cover .. looks nice :)
11:33 electricguy WORST delivery guy ever... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUDTPbDhnA&amp;feature=player_embedded
11:33 killakee einball: are you realy that retarded?
11:34 tehdark45 electricguy, we have all seen it :P
11:34 killakee think
11:34 electricguy tehdark45, hard to know :)
11:34 tehdark45 killakee, i dont think einball is a relay
11:34 tehdark45 :P
11:34 electricguy LOL
11:34 killakee thinking ?
11:34 killakee :P
11:35 electricguy hi hi ajcc
11:35 tehdark45 wtf? there is a person in here after yNos :O
11:35 killakee you sayid i have a computher... and saying shit like that you are cooking with gas , with me in your life
11:35 killakee lol
11:35 einball killakee: all in all, pun intended as I said lightens up your life ;)
11:35 tehdark45 lol
11:36 killakee einball: lucky you
11:36 killakee a stuner geek
11:36 killakee o even
11:37 tehdark45 killakee, dont you mean steller?
11:38 killakee i meen ther should be a no drink no drugs policy in this channel...
11:38 killakee but thats me
11:38 electricguy yes
11:39 electricguy people shouldn't be on IRC when they are drunk...
11:39 electricguy *cough*
11:39 killakee hehe
11:39 einball They shouldn't derive either when they are drunk o_O
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11:40 killakee just an idea...
11:41 killakee dont shoot me
11:41 killakee :P
11:41 einball No I won't ... A taser will do fine :)
11:42 tehdark45 *pepper spray*
11:42 einball (Thermonuclear bomb?)
11:42 killakee a tc would do fine on my part :)
11:42 killakee electricguy i actualy got a new nst today
11:42 killakee :D
11:43 killakee grinn
11:43 electricguy nice
11:43 killakee 15kv
11:43 killakee i aint going to use it today
11:43 tehdark45 killakee, hook up to 2 plugs to double voltage
11:43 tehdark45 lol
11:43 killakee so no worries ;)
11:43 killakee eh
11:43 killakee realy
11:44 killakee can you do that ?
11:44 killakee 30 kv sounds nice
11:44 tehdark45 killakee, it's a referance to an old tgg video props if you know what i'm talking about
11:44 killakee i know
11:44 killakee stupid
11:44 tehdark45 clot
11:45 killakee you realy think im that dumb ?
11:45 tehdark45 yeah now what
11:45 Experimentonomen *thud*
11:45 killakee poff oh it didnt work :P
11:45 electricguy stop calling people stupid and retarded...
11:45 killakee ok
11:46 killakee done
11:46 killakee please dont be patronising then
11:46 killakee please
11:46 killakee :)=
11:47 electricguy well, i got a pretty bad impression of you when you was a total bitch on IRC 2 days ago..
11:47 killakee i had a fing day that day ...
11:47 killakee sorry for that
11:47 killakee if you did
11:47 electricguy then you shouldn't be on IRC being a bitch
11:47 killakee that day was epic
11:48 killakee well i wassent alone
11:48 einball electricguy: Life's a bitch!
11:48 einball :)
11:48 killakee yeah
11:48 killakee it is sometimes
11:48 killakee when you have kids and all that i can be ass
11:49 electricguy yes it is. but being drunk on IRC and being rude and bitchy to other people with no reason isn't THAT fun
11:49 killakee well i dont take people beeing rude to me all that good
11:49 tehdark45 no one was
11:51 killakee arguing then
11:51 killakee what ever
11:51 killakee i rather not argue
11:52 tehdark45 *argue*
11:52 tehdark45 :P
11:52 killakee argue
11:52 killakee ;)
11:52 killakee thanks
11:52 tehdark45 but thats what we do. we have facts and we try to prove the other guy wrong
11:52 tehdark45 og wait
11:52 tehdark45 thats a lawyer
11:52 tehdark45 lol
11:53 killakee haha
11:53 einball Yes .. solve the problem like real men and bring an action against each other ...
11:53 killakee been there done that
11:53 tehdark45 einball, you sound like an american redneck :P
11:53 einball lol
11:53 tehdark45 or maybe a Chav
11:53 killakee but all the guys here lurned me more i did in shcool ever
11:54 einball School's a bitch too :P
11:54 killakee yeah wass 4 me
11:54 tehdark45 mah granddaddy dun learnd me gud man
11:54 einball Same here .. (except math. I like math)
11:54 killakee we had something called nature lurning
11:55 einball Physics had been soo boring :D
11:55 ajcc hey, did you guys pick up the name of the guys who made the live session video in the HV lab?
11:55 killakee only thing i exelled att
11:55 tehdark45 math and me dont agree lol
11:55 einball tehdark45: well, I study communications engineering .. :d
11:55 killakee high voltage and me agree
11:55 killakee and that is all math... i dont know why ?
11:56 tehdark45 einball, so you are gona ba another Stephen?
11:56 tehdark45 LOL
11:56 killakee oh wait i actualy can add
11:56 killakee :D
11:56 einball killakee: Well, just design a digital filter .. then you need math ... or design .. whatev .. a oscillator. you need always some math
11:57 einball tehdark45: Stephen Hawking? No, never
11:57 tehdark45 -_-_-_-_-
11:57 tehdark45 i made a sine wave
11:57 einball Too dumb for that :D
11:57 Experimentonomen einball, i build audio amplifiers from scratch and i've never needed any math :P
11:57 killakee or try to make a filter for a speacer and so on
11:57 killakee i "never did that"
11:58 einball Experimentonomen: Right. But they can't compete in mass production against the commercial products.
11:58 tehdark45 einball, i was refering to steve, the engineer at tgg, but i used the european way of spelling steven ;)
11:58 killakee Experimentonomen:+1
11:58 einball tehdark45: sorry, I don't know the guys at the lab there :(
11:58 Experimentonomen einball, my latest creation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaMyY1YQOwo
11:58 tehdark45 einball, you subed to physicsduck?
11:59 einball The problem in engineering ist: you ned to push the limits without pushing the budget. This is why you need math to calculate the limits.
11:59 einball tehdark45: yep
11:59 killakee Experimentonomen : speacers you have ?
11:59 tehdark45 einball, so how do you not know who is who?
11:59 Experimentonomen killakee, ?
11:59 killakee speakers do you have ?
11:59 einball tehdark45: because I just started exploring ;)
12:00 killakee what kind
12:00 killakee :)
12:00 tehdark45 ahh
12:00 Experimentonomen killakee, those are old 70's vintage with some dayton audio woofers in them and the original tweeters
12:01 Experimentonomen if u mean the white boxes
12:01 einball Experimentonomen: Ugh .. poor resistor :)
12:03 einball Iam too lazy to do such a project. It's like .. searching for the right transistors, searching for the right PSU, etc .. This is so boring and the actual soldering fun is too short :P
12:03 killakee i had the first seas 10"
12:03 killakee and god do i miss them :(
12:03 einball And those protection circuits .. gnah ...
12:03 killakee nothing have ever played sound like that again in this house
12:04 einball 10" woofer? :)
12:04 Experimentonomen einball, i have plans for an even more powerful amp: http://imgur.com/a/wsqAc
12:04 killakee the speakes i had when the house burned was a pair of MGR 15 15
12:05 einball Experimentonomen: ever tried to build a Class-D
12:05 killakee it was like having servinwega...
12:05 Experimentonomen yes i have
12:05 killakee lot of sound no fing quality
12:05 einball I soon need one :P
12:06 killakee with age you get more and more picky
12:06 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/9S3bh.jpg <-- another amp i built a few weeks ago
12:06 electricguy class D is good for a very efficient system. but i think class AB sounds better
12:06 einball I think I have to move my ass up :)
12:06 killakee lovely
12:06 killakee :)
12:06 einball electricguy: Should not sound good. should produce a hell lot of power
12:07 electricguy lol ok X
12:07 electricguy XD*
12:07 einball oh nice electricguy
12:07 killakee electricguy ever had a DOXA ?
12:07 electricguy and the purpose of it is? :P
12:07 electricguy never even heard of DOXA
12:07 ajcc Experimentonomen: heavy metal!
12:07 killakee its just omg insane
12:07 electricguy seems like it's a swiss watch brand
12:07 einball electricguy: rocking that 15" bitch: http://h9.abload.de/img/img_5956ngy6.jpg
12:08 electricguy lol ok
12:08 electricguy yeah for sub amps class D is pretty suitable
12:08 electricguy that PA sub looks familiar..
12:08 electricguy what brand is it?
12:08 einball The chassis is a Eminence
12:09 einball Kappa
12:09 electricguy ahh!
12:09 electricguy thought so :)
12:09 einball Cheap and powerful enough for my 16m² room *cough*
12:09 electricguy lol
12:09 ajcc oh, are you guys into subwoofers?, I'm thinking about adding one too my little stereo, so I can hear the contra basses in the orchestras and the lower bass-tones in everything else. from what I've read, phase shift is a must when adding one into a stereo system. how about effect vs. size? my stereo is quite small.
12:09 killakee http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t2181.html
12:09 electricguy Eminence subs can handle a lot of abuse. very well made
12:09 killakee that was the amp i had
12:09 Experimentonomen einball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Gkf5bCNiM <-- thats the last class d amp i did
12:10 killakee sigh
12:10 electricguy the box with Alu front?
12:10 killakee i miss that
12:10 killakee yeah
12:10 electricguy nice
12:10 einball ajcc: The bigger the better. Because the bigger the sub the lower the resonance frequency. Can also be achieved with a closed enclosure and a equalizer
12:10 killakee sigh
12:11 electricguy i really like amps with clean fronts :3
12:11 einball electricguy: yes .. atm there's a class A amp with 36Watts attached to the speaker :D
12:11 killakee it weight like 30 kgs
12:11 electricguy einball, that amp on the top of the sub?
12:11 killakee it made my hole house jump
12:11 electricguy MY ASS that's a class A on 36 Watts :P that's a class AB
12:12 killakee ab?
12:12 killakee and that is ?
12:12 ajcc einball: ok, I'd like some of the lower mids as well, to be detalied, that's also my dilemma :), but closed enclosure speakers are faster than open ones if I understand it correctly. open ones can go lower/move more air
12:12 einball electricguy: yes
12:12 electricguy it runs in class A mode on low volumae and switches over to B when you crank the volume. like most home stereo amps
12:12 killakee it drowe my "700"lol speakers like no ones sisster
12:13 einball ajcc: They are very inefficient and go very low. they are quite easy to handle.
12:13 Experimentonomen einball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdVKAtQkcBI <-- my main rig
12:13 killakee hmm
12:13 killakee ok
12:13 electricguy there isn't cooling enough in that little amp to be a class A
12:13 einball ajcc: but iam more the PA guy, not the Hifi :D
12:13 killakee i will not argue
12:13 einball electricguy: There is ...
12:13 electricguy hahaha no way XD
12:13 electricguy what's the brand and model?
12:13 killakee but thats NOT a pa amp
12:13 killakee thats quality
12:13 einball electricguy: Optonica sm5100
12:14 ajcc einball: did you mean the open ones or low ones?, PA and HiFi, almost the same :)
12:14 ajcc ehm
12:14 ajcc open or closed
12:14 einball ajcc: I mean THE LOUD ONES :D
12:14 ajcc hehe
12:14 einball electricguy: 300W in, 36W out .. sounds like a Pa
12:14 einball electricguy: *Class A
12:15 killakee gratsi
12:15 killakee and no
12:15 ajcc I did the tech on a teater play once, and they had a pair of 4x15" woofers under the seats, which got very excitet when a song had a low low C in it, Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
12:15 einball killakee: Well, I had no other amp at that moment. I still need my Dynacord SL1200 back .. ;)
12:15 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muH3tgBHutg <-- here i take the amp to full power, around 50 watts per channel
12:15 killakee what ever it still rocked my book
12:16 killakee and the sound was like heaven
12:16 ajcc are you guys talking on a audio forum somewhere?, I could do with some reading up :)
12:16 electricguy this is a class A amp i made some time ago. it gave about 5Watts out per channel. needed that much cooling... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqbScbwxIHY
12:16 einball ajcc: Hmm, for Hifi I like the closed ones. Bassreflex is cool and louder than the closed. but the closed are .. (dont beat me) generally more precise
12:16 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, do you live in the middle of nowhere?
12:16 tehdark45 :p
12:16 killakee but im gone .. i got to make some music today attleast
12:17 killakee have a good one
12:17 ajcc einball: that's also my understanding :), thanks!, feels good that I'm on the right track of thought
12:18 Experimentonomen i live in a 60m2 apartment
12:18 einball ajcc: You MAY look at the URSP. Under Resonant blabla .. Its a Woofer in a closed enclosure that plays under resonance. very ineffective but very good at low freq
12:18 ajcc einball: I'll have a look
12:18 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, your neighbours must hate you :P
12:19 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqFLezlSbl8 <-- heres an oldschool project i started a few years ago
12:20 einball Experimentonomen: http://www.hifi-wiki.de/index.php/Optonica_SM-5100 really: What amp takes 380w in and just 36W out? ;)
12:22 einball tehdark45: my neighbours hate me :D
12:22 Experimentonomen thats quite normal for a stereo amplifier, around 50% efficiency and two channels
12:23 einball eww ... I hate it!
12:23 Experimentonomen the 245 watt amplifier eats 800 watts from the wall at full power
12:23 Ponko right going off for awhile be back soon
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12:23 tehdark45 ok
12:24 Experimentonomen and my stereo amplifiers are all 50 watts a channel in 4 ohms and has 300VA transformers in the psu
12:24 ajcc Experimentonomen: neat amp!
12:24 Experimentonomen i take it einball doesent like tubes
12:24 einball Experimentonomen: Well, another reason for PA amps ...
12:25 einball Experimentonomen: I like tubes, but only in Rf circuits :D
12:25 * ajcc is a fan of op-amps
12:25 ajcc and tubes
12:25 ajcc and transistors
12:26 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Y2Q4FrEvE <-- here i literally beat the living shit outta one channel of the lateral mosfet amplifier
12:27 electricguy gonna try to uploa a video of my stereo :)
12:28 electricguy nom time. brb
12:30 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAAG7eV2Wec <-- these speakers dident like 200 watts :/
12:38 electricguy ok, back
12:38 wannabe-zz i should grab breakfast....
12:38 wannabe-zz its going to be a long day otherwise
12:38 Experimentonomen quick noms
12:38 ajcc Cprossu: wow, the map is really taking shape :), love the diamond generator
12:39 electricguy lol, morning wannabe-zz
12:39 wannabe-zz morning
12:41 wannabe1987 its colder in tennesse (15 hours south or so) than it is in GR....
12:41 Experimentonomen einball, make vid of ur stuff :P
12:41 einball Experimentonomen: why?
12:42 einball it's not even great stuff i have there
12:42 Experimentonomen why not ?
12:42 Experimentonomen einball, cant be worse than mine :P
12:42 einball sure it is
12:42 einball i dont do very much analog circuits ;)
12:43 Experimentonomen u already said my amplifiers are shit
12:44 einball did I ? O_O
12:44 wannabe1987 i don't know what to wear, i guess i'll put my scrubs on?
12:45 electricguy LULZ! XD http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjwr6zaoo1qj7cruo1_500.jpg
12:45 Experimentonomen u did indirectly when u said that thing about not beeing able to compete with commercial stuff
12:45 einball Experimentonomen: thats not what I ment!
12:45 electricguy wannabe1987, sounds like an idea :P
12:46 Experimentonomen and to tell the truth, that telefunken ha900 amp i blew the speakers with do sound better than that diy one in the tape deck chassi
12:47 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/9S3bh.jpg <-- even this amp sounds better than that tape deck chassi one
12:48 einball Experimentonomen: your amps cannot compete with professional engineered amps in build costs and power and fidelity. They squeeze every penny out of their transistors, calculating the very maximum ratings. You give like 5 to 10% higher ratings of your components so you can be sure not to blow them up
12:50 Experimentonomen none of my diy amplifiers have failed so far, and i've ran them into hard clipping, ran them too hot to touch, even survived a 5 second direct short
12:50 Experimentonomen that tape deck chassi amp was my main amp for months, running 24/7 for months
12:51 einball Experimentonomen: yes. Well built, but too high costs to manufacture. That's what I ment. And the topic we discussed up in the log there was the math behind engineering and not the quality of your amps :)
12:51 einball I have quite a great respect for ppl that build such things
12:51 Experimentonomen its in bits now though as im rebuilding it, as it was a rats nest of wires
12:51 einball And I believe your amps are good :)
12:52 einball And I did NOT say that they are shit!
12:53 einball (Maybe I'll stay with the german language. either my english is too bad or my contributions are quite misunderstandable. I should stop chatting and talking
12:53 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/hlTue.jpg <-- looked like utter shit inside, it was meant to be a prototype/testbed bt ended up as my "daily driver" for 3-4 months
12:54 einball Experimentonomen: That is also something I truly udnerstand :d
12:54 einball "Well, iam too lazy to buy something .. well, I take that thing as my main" :D
12:54 Experimentonomen and beeing a test bed is another reason for that protection circuit u dident seem to like
12:55 Experimentonomen protection against dc on the output and thermal in two stages, first stage is a fan and if thats not enough, it shuts down the amplifier if tem exceed 80-90deg C on the heatsink
12:57 Experimentonomen i always thought that heatsink was way too small for a 2x50W amp, but i ran that amp into the ground into a 2 ohm load, and despite beeing almost too loud to stand, it barely even got wartm enough to turn on the fan
12:57 electricguy ok, a video of my stero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAonC7gduNg
12:57 einball (I see, I express myself so strange nobody understand what iam trying to say :()
12:57 electricguy the camera mic sux balls though...
12:57 electricguy ok, the whole camera sux balls...
12:58 Experimentonomen and btw i dont wanna buy an amp because modern consumer audio gear is just crap or too expensive
12:59 Experimentonomen besides a ild 80's amp for 5 bucks on a fleamarket sounds much better anyways
12:59 einball Hmm, Iam the only one using a commercial amp. Now I feel like a stranger :P
12:59 Experimentonomen old*
12:59 tehdark45 goodnight guys, imma head off
12:59 einball gn8 tehdark45 ! :)
12:59 electricguy night tehdark45
13:00 electricguy some pictures of my GainClone amp http://imgur.com/a/raCu0#0
13:00 Experimentonomen einball, i could use the telefunken amp but it has a few bad switches so either channel drops out randomly, and i have so far been unable to find suitable replacements
13:01 electricguy bypass input selectors or hardwire into the power amp
13:01 electricguy 7 eleven sign fail... http://i.imgur.com/yY4Cn.jpg
13:02 einball I still struggle with the design of active filters. That's the reason behind my main amp bein a AV receiver :-/
13:02 electricguy my amp uses ButterWorth filters based on TL071 OP amps
13:03 electricguy the good thing with them is that you adjust the resistance to adjust the filter. instead of adjusting the caps
13:03 electricguy so you can use a pot instead of a rotary switch to switch between caps
13:03 einball Yes, that was also my thought. But then you need a LP and a HP coupled together
13:03 wannabe1987 thats always scary....when your employer calls 1/2 hour before orientation so you second guess yourself as to the time for orientation....:/
13:04 electricguy einball, yes. but why not?
13:04 einball I just can't find any good potentiometer with values that can be used in both filter parts
13:05 electricguy i can't remember what i use
13:05 electricguy maybe i can dig out the schematic somewhere
13:05 electricguy i think i got it on a paper somewhere
13:07 Experimentonomen btw einball, i actually use a commercial amplifier, in my bedroom, one of those cheap all plastic all in one thingies that do 2x15 watts at 10% THD
13:07 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/4lzb7
13:07 einball I think, I'll just use some ADC, making a DSP filter and then DACing it back :D
13:07 einball That is much more easier for me.
13:08 einball Experimentonomen: sweet :)
13:08 ajcc that's one yellow pillow
13:08 Experimentonomen those were the only 8 ohm speakers i had btw :P
13:09 Experimentonomen i have to turn the bass down as low as it goes, otherwise its all just a overpowering bass rumble
13:10 electricguy balls... the filter section wasn't in the pile of documentation on my amp... hrmm
13:11 Experimentonomen tone controls ? should be similar to the elliott sound products hifi preamp
13:11 einball hehe :)
13:11 Experimentonomen i assume its a baxandall tone control
13:12 electricguy i have probably put the paper elsewhere so i wouldn't forget where i put it... -,-
13:12 Experimentonomen or is it actually a separate HP and LP filter ?
13:12 wannabe-afk will be gone ALL day till who knows when.  irc will survive w/o me :P
13:13 electricguy seems to be a baxandall
13:13 electricguy http://gilmore2.chem.northwestern.edu/images/eq2.gif
13:13 electricguy and input/output buffers
13:13 einball doh .. nomnomnom time
13:13 einball brb!
13:13 electricguy to get +/- 0dB if all the pots are centered
13:14 Experimentonomen sometimes those baxandall stacks are placed in the feedback loop of the opamp circuit, dunno which is better, in the fb loop or between gain stages
13:15 electricguy dunno
13:15 Experimentonomen well the overall function is the same so i guess it doesent really matter
13:17 Experimentonomen and im too lazy to include them in my builds
13:17 wannabe-afk .tfw
13:17 electricguy bot is dead
13:17 wannabe-afk ik
13:17 wannabe-afk i forgot
13:17 wannabe-afk i'll just go outside anyway :P
13:18 electricguy :P
13:18 electricguy lol D
13:18 electricguy XD
13:18 Experimentonomen most of the time i dont even use a volume pot, i just use the one in windows :P
13:20 electricguy balls... i just ran into a major problem with the SB audiogy SB0300 USB soundcard i thought about strapping to my netbook... the external PSU for it is rated to 5V and one and a half fucking Amp! O_O
13:21 electricguy good luck with running that from a single USB port...
13:22 electricguy hmm... i wonder how much it actually pulls...
13:22 * BitViper waves at wannabe-afk as she wanders through in the past
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13:22 BitViper g'mooning electricguy, exor674
13:22 BitViper er, Experimentonomen
13:22 BitViper stupid tab
13:22 electricguy morning BitViper
13:25 Experimentonomen g'day bitvipah
13:27 electricguy holy shit! the SB soundcard pulls 43mA in standby mode and 75 when it's on and not connected!
13:27 electricguy sorry
13:27 electricguy 750mA!
13:27 Experimentonomen maybe it has a class a amplifier for the headphone output, or something
13:28 electricguyLab 770mA when connected -,-
13:28 electricguyLab maybe
13:28 Experimentonomen i wonder how much my autiotrak maya u5 draws, as it takes all power for the usb port only
13:28 electricguyLab or one hell os a sound processor
13:29 electricguyLab this one got 1 line in, 1 mic in, stereo or 5.1 sound out, SPDIF and optical in out
13:30 Experimentonomen mine has 5.1 out, headphone out, lic and line in and optical in and out
13:30 Experimentonomen mic*
13:34 Experimentonomen and it seem to be smart enough to only output signal in the rear, center and sub outputs with 5.1 coded material
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13:35 Experimentonomen blegh
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13:41 * Experimentonomen listens to modules on the tubeamp
13:42 ajcc .mod's are nice
13:42 ajcc how are those 8-bit munchies through tubes?
13:43 Experimentonomen its listenable
13:43 ajcc :/
13:48 Experimentonomen since the tubeamp is mono, some parts get lost in the analog mixer since modules use alot of phase shift effects and such
13:48 ajcc I see
13:49 ajcc go tune in some .sid's, they're almost always mono :)
13:49 einball no no nooo!!!!
13:49 einball DOnt even try this without a real sid chip!
13:49 ajcc ?
13:50 Experimentonomen how old is einball ?
13:50 einball Experimentonomen: Too young for you ;D
13:50 ajcc the re:sid engine is quite close, the only thing missing is the hissing from the RF modulator
13:50 * Experimentonomen is 26
13:51 Experimentonomen i assume einball is between 30-50
13:51 einball hm, yes. But chiptunes are no chiptunes without a real sid chip :P
13:51 ajcc I'm guessing <20
13:51 einball 19
13:52 electricguy a chiptune can be played on anything that can play a 8 bit audio file. it doesn't have to be a .SID file to be a 8-bit tune ;)
13:52 einball (Yeh, I know, Iam childish ... but I'll never leave that state of mind :D )
13:52 einball electricguy: then it is 8bit . but dont call it chiptune then :P
13:52 ajcc well, that's the state of mind that kills fully working Commodore 64's
13:52 electricguy ALL music nowdays are basically chiptunes :P
13:52 ajcc because people want their SIDs for their PC soundcards
13:52 ajcc or synths
13:53 electricguy as they are played by a sound processor in your computer :)
13:53 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7pJPUAWdU
13:53 einball gnah ... :D
13:53 einball Thats quite hard to explain :D
13:53 electricguy original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uU4BzSQQmY
13:53 electricguy and my version XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vkG-DYPy8
13:54 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg-KfOUSRk
13:54 electricguy sounds really good to be played by a µC with no DAC, just a PWM output
13:54 electricguy yeah the chipophone is cool :P
13:54 einball See, a steampunk or dieselpunk thingie has always a "used" look.
13:55 einball Then you may call it steampunk :P
13:55 ajcc Linus Åkesson makes the Chipophone cool :), without him playing it, it would just be someone with a synth that made chippy sounds and no tunes
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13:55 electricguy many thinks the chipohone is just a MIDI controller, but, NO! :P it's a MIDI controller controlling a microcontroller that creates the sounds. so it is a true 8 bit synth :P
13:55 mman454 hello everyone
13:55 electricguy rip out the sound generating microcontroller and you have a MIDI controller
13:55 ajcc it's not even midi controlling a microcontroller
13:55 electricguy hello mman454 :)
13:56 ajcc it's a microcontroller scanning the keys, duing the beats, and doing the sounds at once
13:56 * Experimentonomen blows up
13:56 electricguy nope
13:56 electricguy it got 2
13:56 electricguy one creating MIDI
13:56 einball ouh, yeah .. Mididuino :)
13:56 ajcc but it's just for external in and output?
13:56 electricguy yes. if you feel like it
13:57 electricguy but it got a internal microcontroller making the sound
13:57 ajcc yep
13:57 Experimentonomen dident he start out with the guts of a NES ?
13:57 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pchpDD5EU well, we could just ask Linus how it works :)
13:57 electricguy so if you want you can hook it up to any device that got MIDI out and make tru 8-bit music with it
13:57 electricguy exp, nope. DIY boards
13:58 Experimentonomen i must be thinking of someone else then
13:58 electricguy or check and read the full documentation of the synth ;) http://www.linusakesson.net/chipophone/index.php
13:58 electricguy http://www.linusakesson.net/pix/data/100720-1/DSC00037.jpg
13:58 electricguy there are all the guts
13:58 ajcc I really like the board layout script Linus made in PostScript :), now this will blow your mind, a printable PostScript that generates the board layout while it's being printed
13:58 electricguy MIDI controller to the left and synth to the right
13:58 electricguy with a R2R DAC by the looks of it
13:59 ajcc yep, same DAC as this hardware chiptune player
13:59 electricguy yepp
13:59 ajcc thought one chip did all the hardwork, well, now I know :)
13:59 electricguy hehe :)
14:00 ajcc LFT is know for squeezing everything into an insanely small space
14:00 electricguy i really like the idea with having 2 separate boards. so you can hook the synth part to a sequencer or something if you want
14:00 ajcc like a complete demo platform on a single Atmel chip, video, sound and everything
14:00 einball Besides chiptunes .. There are also really cool hammond replacements :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvBlFP_0AMw
14:00 electricguy or hook other MIDI receiving synths to the actual console
14:00 ajcc :)
14:01 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFCxV5PsusQ this is a single ATmega88 uC with no external parts other than some resistors, diodes and two transistors, that's it
14:01 electricguy the PPG waveterm is a BAD ASS sound processor :P
14:02 electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc5orbnQHEw
14:02 electricguy 8" floppies! :D
14:02 ajcc :O
14:02 electricguy gives some REALLY mad sounds!
14:02 electricguy create your own waveforms and such
14:02 ajcc oh, I've seen those in photos, there's two in the studio Stockhausen used to work
14:02 einball floppy music ? <3
14:03 electricguy they still cost around 200 bucks if you are lucky to find one! o_O
14:03 einball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw
14:03 ajcc is that the one Zappa used on his Jazz from Hell Album?
14:03 ajcc the PPG thing
14:03 electricguy einball, much better --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkUFxItWmU
14:03 electricguy :P
14:04 electricguy ajcc, no idea
14:04 electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sc-nFw5vFw&amp;feature=related
14:04 electricguy 8 floppy drives playing :3
14:04 einball The sound of 1:10 reminds me about the Microwave II synth electricguy
14:04 electricguy hehehe oki
14:04 ajcc those 8 floppys should learn to play in sync and tune
14:04 electricguy coffee!! brb
14:05 electricguy ajcc, if they were intended to do that, they guy would clearly have programmed the controller to do that :P
14:05 electricguy brb
14:05 Experimentonomen if i ever make a minecraft lets play on youtube i thing this would be the intro song to use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAuEsoJU2Zk&amp;feature=related
14:05 einball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDyuqBStHDY&amp;feature=related <3
14:06 ajcc electricguy: it's hard to get things in sync and tune, I guess the programmer said balls to it, and recorded a bunch of them
14:06 electricguy no, they are supposed to play different sections of the tune :P
14:06 electricguy he is modulating them with different frequencies to get different notes :)
14:07 ajcc no, Zappa played the Synclavier, another insane wave/sampling synth
14:07 electricguy the fairlight is a VERY cool synth too, sooo ahead of it's time
14:07 ajcc electricguy: they're playing different sections, just out of tune and out of sync :)
14:07 einball But NOTHING beats those: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J35fM1Nzww
14:08 ajcc Steve Wonder is all Fairlight
14:08 * electricguy want a moog
14:08 electricguy the fairlight had a CRT with a stylus so you could draw your owan waveforms
14:08 ajcc they don't keep tune very well, but other than that, the Moog Modulars are awesome
14:08 ajcc Switched on Bach, it's all Moog
14:08 electricguy and also record your voice and play that with the keys in different pitches
14:09 electricguy btw, for you ipad geeks. there is a fairlight app!
14:09 electricguy it's VERY well made
14:09 ajcc electricguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno7xqWR9fg Bob Moog demonstrates the Fairlight
14:09 ajcc there's a full demo on the same channel
14:10 electricguy cause an artifact that the fairlights had was that sometimes the floppy got read errors which resulted in missing bits in the samples, so they sounded different. in the ipad app you can set how often you want the floppy emulator to make a read error! :D
14:10 ajcc hmm, I didn't know that :)
14:10 electricguy you ecen start the app by selecting the right mains voltage for the synth! XD
14:10 einball lol
14:11 electricguy and it got the worlds biggest fairlight sample library
14:11 ajcc can't they make one of those for real computers?
14:11 electricguy that would be way cool
14:12 electricguy there is (at least were) a PPG waveterm emulator for DOS :P
14:12 einball There's a moog VST out there
14:12 einball Freeware
14:12 ajcc Fairlight have made a new Fairlight, which is based on a PC, so there should be an official app for the PC, I think
14:12 ajcc I hope
14:12 ajcc didn't Native Instruments make a really good Moog Modular VST plug?
14:12 einball ajcc: jip
14:12 einball They released it
14:12 electricguy here you can see the screen with the stylus :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPiBWfNAriA&amp;feature=related
14:13 electricguy you draw on the CRT with it o_O
14:13 ajcc lightpen :)
14:13 ajcc I want one
14:13 ajcc too bad they don't work on TFT's
14:14 electricguy yeh
14:14 ajcc they look for the scanline passing under the photo transistor, and the computer calculates where on the screen the pen is located
14:14 ajcc knowing how fast and where the lines are drawn at that time
14:14 electricguy ahh! clever
14:15 ajcc yep :)
14:15 electricguy i want a MIDI synth
14:15 electricguy that can take MIDI in
14:15 einball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9dvAWFDbN4 <3
14:15 ajcc of couse, this doesn't work if the screen is black, at the place where you're holding the pen, but other than that :)
14:15 electricguy cause there is a program for DOS called sequencer Gold. which is supposed to be a pretty bad ass MIDI sequencer
14:15 electricguy hmmm.... well... i do have MIDI in on my soundcard... :P
14:15 ajcc I've heard that being mentioned a few times
14:16 electricguy oki
14:16 Experimentonomen btw einball, sometimes i go a bit overboard: http://i.imgur.com/Kw2YP.png
14:17 electricguy o_O
14:17 electricguy Wattage?
14:17 einball eeek youre crazy :D
14:17 Experimentonomen thats not an actual project, just a "bored at work" thing
14:17 einball electricguy: the scale says 2kW
14:17 ajcc http://www.treewave.com/gear.shtml ah, Paul Slocum uses it
14:17 electricguy depends on the components :P
14:17 ajcc on a Compaq 286 portable
14:17 electricguy but yeh, maybe something like that
14:18 electricguy ajcc, nice :P
14:18 electricguy so sad my compaq SLT 286 is borked...
14:18 electricguy but i got some other DOS machines :3
14:18 Experimentonomen everything can be fixed :P
14:18 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKx8bZ5eq8 most geeks would probably recognize this tune
14:18 electricguy the oldest in the little collection is a fully working and refurbished Toshiba T5100 :D
14:18 ajcc (the BBS documentary, BSoD, Packet Sniffers etc etc etc)
14:19 ajcc yep, that's a tuned Dot Matrix Printer, a Atari 2600 doing the bass and a Commodore 64 + the 286
14:19 electricguy a short video of the machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknelSMBWNM
14:19 electricguy nice XD
14:19 ajcc or if the 2600 is doing the beats, hmm
14:20 ajcc everything except the Gold Plus Sequencer on the 286 is all Paul's software
14:20 electricguy this one is nice too :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HkIUk-N1I
14:20 ajcc the Dot Matrix got a new firmware which takes commands to play notes
14:20 electricguy nice XD
14:22 ajcc http://www.qotile.net/files/slocum.mov playing the dot matrix printer
14:22 electricguy lol
14:23 electricguy win when he turns the box upside down  LOL! XD
14:23 electricguy brb
14:23 ajcc oh, it uses the beeper inside the printer as well
14:23 ajcc error code beeper
14:24 ajcc http://www.qotile.net/audio/printer2.mp3 the intro to the BBS documentary, and a Tree Wave song
14:26 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/9UU4a.png <-- theres schematic for 245W subamp btw
14:27 ajcc hmm, all your amps seems to use the same simple concept :)
14:27 ajcc pushing and pulling
14:28 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/Cjco1 <-- pics
14:28 electricguy back
14:30 electricguy btw, here is how a pair of NE555 timers sound with a small spring reverb and a Korg mini Kaoss PAd http://soundcloud.com/electricguys-zoundz/minikp-test
14:30 electricguy i like the part after 3:14 approx :P
14:31 electricguy noise sunth's and stuff is fun to play with :P
14:31 electricguy synth's*
14:31 electricguy fuck, wrong link...
14:31 electricguy this one http://soundcloud.com/electricguys-zoundz/apc-minikp
14:32 ajcc am i stupid or is there no volumecontroll?
14:32 electricguy lol, doesn't seem like there is any XD
14:32 electricguy is one*
14:32 electricguy weird :P
14:33 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/DCcLq.png <-- simple curcuit suitable for beginners
14:33 * Experimentonomen is a amplifier addict
14:34 * Experimentonomen almost kinda feels like going for a walk o_O
14:35 yNos walk?
14:35 yNos what is this?
14:35 electricguy LOL hi there yNos :P
14:35 yNos out in the big blue room?
14:35 yNos hello
14:35 Experimentonomen g'day yNos
14:37 iSasha Hello
14:38 angy and I´m me again, even at work :)
14:38 yNos angy works?
14:39 iSasha Huh?
14:39 yNos i thought he was a student
14:39 yNos working on his phuf
14:39 yNos phd
14:39 angy yeah, but at my level, it´s now a work :)
14:39 iSasha You mean a job ?
14:39 BitViper Experimentonomen must be sick if he wants away from the desk
14:39 angy not really a job
14:39 angy :p
14:39 BitViper g'moanin yNos, iSasha
14:40 iSasha Good afternoon everyone ;)
14:40 electricguy if i decide to go outside it's most likely due to geek stuff shopping, work or dumpsterdiving
14:40 iSasha BTW, I came here to brainstorm some ideas on how to revenge my ISP
14:40 Experimentonomen BitViper, i've already been starin @ teh computan fer almost 24 hours :P
14:40 angy yNos: i´m sure you would love the internet connexion of the lab, 10G over ethernet
14:40 BitViper i go outside to rid my lungs of magic smoke once in a while
14:40 BitViper Experimentonomen : then you have another 72 or so to go :)
14:42 Experimentonomen im prolly in bed in 3-4 hours or less, im really tired
14:43 Experimentonomen and im bored
14:43 Experimentonomen but too lazy to do anythin, dont feel like opening the lab
14:48 tonsofpcs hi all
14:48 einball oh well, that sucks ..
14:48 einball Giving a presentation about car networking
14:49 tonsofpcs anyone know of a good source for audio rheostats?  We have a '70v' style speaker system throughout the building and all the rheostats are arced-over, dirty, etc.  I want to find drop-in replacements.  They should fit in a single-gang
14:49 tonsofpcs (the old ones are the old ratshack brand)
14:49 einball The audience consists of technical redaction people that have almost no clue what we're talking about :(
14:51 Experimentonomen tonsofpcs, i think what your looking for is called an L-Pad
14:51 tonsofpcs einball: "car go vroom"
14:51 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: one of http://www.markertek.com/Audio-Equipment/Speakers/Volume-Controls/TecNec-Panels-Wall-Plates/WPL-1170.xhtml but just the knob.
14:52 einball tonsofpcs: Well .. yes .. besides, there is some more netowrking stuff that makes the car go vrom
14:55 iSasha Aaanyways, any ideas on how to revenge my ISP?
14:58 electricguy tonsofpcs, just the _knob_ or the plate with scale too?
15:09 electricguy lol, it's really fun to learn pretty girls basic HTML code.. XD
15:09 electricguy they get SUPER happy when they manage to change the font colot.. LOL... XD noobs :P
15:10 einball electricguy: Well ... That's the way I managed to get my first relationship ;)
15:10 electricguy hehehe, nice :P
15:15 einball Wow .. friday evening sucks so bad
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15:23 tonsofpcs electricguy: just the rheostat, really.  I have a knob to go on the front
15:23 tonsofpcs it's to replace a failed part (that really just needs a @($#*^*(ton of cleaning)
15:24 electricguy ahh ok. hmm, not sure where to buy rheostats
15:24 electricguy there are those you put into speaker boxes
15:24 electricguy to adjust midrange and stuff
15:24 electricguy they use to be rheostats
15:30 tonsofpcs I suppose I could replace them with one of these and get a bigger faceplate
15:30 tonsofpcs http://www.markertek.com/Audio-Equipment/Speakers/Volume-Controls/Audioplex-Technology/75W70MD-WE.xhtml?APLX-75W70MD-AD
15:30 tonsofpcs (we have a double-gang box at each of a bunch of locations, with an A/B switch and a rheostat)
15:35 tonsofpcs http://www.htworkshop.com/Gallery/spkrvol.jpg is what we have now (the knob and plate, not that whole thing)
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15:48 electricguy tonsofpcs, ahh okey. yeah. that white one should do
15:52 electricguy gosh.. some songs are really shitty made.. when you got a stereo with good speakers.. you hear ALL the artifacts XD
15:53 electricguy heard a song now.. had some high pitch whine travelling up and down all the time! -,-
15:54 ajcc that's why people buy vinyl & cd players for tens of thousands of dollars, the tiny artifacts drive them into insanity
15:54 einball hehe
15:55 ajcc (and they don't know that cd-players can play CD's with up to 2.5mm holes in them, without skipping)
15:55 ajcc unless they have some first generation cd-player without the brains
15:55 einball Well ... I have a Cd player here .. ~120V on the metal case without being turned on ... what the fuck!?
15:56 ajcc :/
15:56 ajcc are you in 120V land or 220-240V land?
15:56 einball 230
15:57 einball Anyway ... This isn't funny
15:57 ajcc hmm
15:57 ajcc not OK
15:57 ajcc in any land
15:58 BitViper sounds great for a "i dare you to steal this" joke
15:58 einball I suppose, they just connected the two decoupling capacitors to the casing
15:58 einball This is what I mean by "your amps cannot compete with the commercial stuff" .. you lack the 120Volts on the casing :D:D:D
15:59 electricguy lol
15:59 BitViper should be an easy fix, to add the 120v to the casing i mean
15:59 electricguy i tried to connect my atari punk console to my mini kaoss pad and used the sequencer in the APC to make a sort of bassline http://soundcloud.com/electricguys-zoundz/apc-minikp-bassline
15:59 electricguy also i played with some filters :P
16:00 einball urgs .. LOUd
16:00 electricguy what's really heard ass bass is the reverb springs vibrating when the sequencer changes step
16:00 electricguy yeah
16:00 electricguy turn down the volume a bit XD
16:00 electricguy dunno how it got so loud... i barely moved the VU meters....
16:01 Monkeh|Lap einball: Have you checked the earth connection?
16:01 electricguy i need to run that setup through a lowpass filter too
16:01 ajcc VU meters are average only, not peak
16:01 electricguy to remove the high pitch stuff
16:01 einball Monkeh|Lap: it is a europlug .. so no ground connection at all!
16:01 electricguy ok, sorry, the peak meters :P
16:01 electricguy which the really are XD
16:01 ajcc led stuff?
16:01 Monkeh|Lap einball: ... Does it have a DI symbol on it?
16:02 electricguy analog
16:02 electricguy some old recording console
16:02 electricguy dunno how accurate the meters are
16:02 ajcc analog are always averaging
16:02 electricguy it's some weird branded crap from the 70's XD
16:02 electricguy it says peak meter at least. lol
16:02 ajcc :), it does have some little red led inside?
16:03 electricguy no. no clip detector
16:03 electricguy sadly :/
16:03 ajcc hmm, well, the can show the average peaks so I guess they are right
16:03 electricguy i'm thinking about building my own recording console. with a like 2 channel mixer, some good meters and a real clip detector
16:03 einball Monkeh|Lap: nope
16:03 einball just the 'CE sign
16:04 Monkeh|Lap einball: Any other symbols?
16:04 electricguy it's not rocketscience to build.. :P
16:04 einball a square inside a square
16:04 Monkeh|Lap einball: .. That's a DI symbol.
16:05 einball doh .. okay ...  :)
16:05 electricguy dutch innovations? :P
16:05 ajcc Direct Injection
16:05 Monkeh|Lap einball: It's a Class II device. It should be pretty damn hard for the case to go live like that.
16:05 Monkeh|Lap Double Insulated, you electrical barbarians
16:05 ajcc oh, you're talking mains power
16:05 ajcc sorry
16:06 ajcc thought we were talking audio
16:06 einball Well, if I had a camera I'd make a small clip
16:06 ajcc Direct Injection is what you mortals call Line-to-Microphone box
16:06 einball I always got a small shock from the casing
16:06 ajcc or Line Box for short
16:06 Monkeh|Lap einball: Take it apart and investigate.
16:06 einball then i measured .. bam, 120Volts..
16:07 ajcc einball: you should place a small stool infront of your stereo, and you'll be fine :)
16:07 einball hehe
16:07 Monkeh|Lap I'm willing to bet someone left out the sheet under the PCB.
16:07 ajcc shouldn't the CD player be in flames in that case?
16:07 electricguy if it's only a capacitive coupling it's like a ungrounded computer. do you have any other grounded stereo gear you can ground the CD player to?
16:07 Monkeh|Lap ajcc: .. It's DI, so no.
16:07 einball hold on a sec .... digging for a screwdriver
16:08 ajcc Monkeh|Lap: right, keep forgetting that
16:08 einball It's not a problem for me, because I use only optical connection. but it's quite annoying to get a shock
16:09 Monkeh|Lap einball: By 'quite annoying' you mean 'potentially fatal'. :P
16:09 ajcc ground noise will travel through optical lines ;)
16:09 einball Monkeh|Lap: psst ;)
16:09 ajcc via pseudo fields and phoney photons
16:09 Monkeh|Lap ajcc: But 120V of equipment frying nasty won't.
16:09 Monkeh|Lap <3 optical interconnects
16:09 Monkeh|Lap Speaking of photons
16:09 Monkeh|Lap Any word about photonic?
16:10 ajcc is he going to the lab?
16:10 Monkeh|Lap ajcc: No, he's quietly removed his youtube account after publically endorsing the BNP.
16:10 electricguy i want a optical link to my stereo from my computer
16:10 ajcc Monkeh|Lap: he did? :(, BNP?
16:11 electricguy i got a slight hum... but it's like 7 meters on unbalanced cable laying in line with mains cables and stuff... XD
16:11 einball hum, me either.. but i do only have a mini office pc from dell which will not alow me to use my m-audio card
16:11 electricguy but it's very little hum
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16:11 Seroster News on photy?
16:12 electricguy i'm thinking about buying a external DAC http://www.minhembio.com/bilder/bild/?pic_id=402309.jpg
16:12 electricguy about 100 bucks on the local store
16:12 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/user/Photonicinduction aw man :(, he really is gone from the tubes
16:12 electricguy yepp
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16:17 einball well the switching psu is properly grounded to the case
16:18 Monkeh|Lap einball: Uh.
16:18 Monkeh|Lap einball: There should be no electrical connection to the case at all.
16:18 einball Well "grounded"
16:18 einball thats legal because there is no ground at all
16:19 electricguy SMPS use to have coupling caps from the mains to ground (the case) just look at any ATX PSU
16:19 Monkeh|Lap electricguy: It's a Class II device. There should be no electrical connection from the case to any component.
16:19 einball that sucks .. the device will find itself in the bin.
16:19 Monkeh|Lap einball: Who made it?
16:20 electricguy might be a error between the assemblyline and the sticker printer ;P
16:20 einball s.e.g. digital
16:20 Monkeh|Lap Never heard of them
16:20 Monkeh|Lap Where'd you buy it?
16:20 electricguy WALMART!
16:20 electricguy ;P
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16:21 einball just got it from a friend
16:21 electricguy nice
16:21 electricguy free is good
16:21 Monkeh|Lap Free electrical shocks are bad.
16:21 electricguy Electronics, HVL blew up! ;P
16:21 Monkeh|Lap einball: Let's get some pictures. :P
16:22 einball since they are quite small its not worth a picture
16:22 Electronics what?!
16:22 electricguy yeh
16:22 electricguy it's fixed now
16:22 * angy fondles Seroster
16:22 Monkeh|Lap einball: Oh no, I want to see it. :P
16:22 electricguy the TNT mag for thumper blew up wsomehow
16:22 Electronics ...
16:23 Electronics don't know how
16:23 Electronics unless someone changed something? meh
16:23 einball Hmm, well, I'll have to decide now, if I want to keep a biting DVd player
16:23 Monkeh|Lap einball: Send it to me, then. :P
16:23 einball Uhm ...
16:23 einball Can't afford that
16:24 electricguy Electronics, i have no idea either. but i don't think anyone changed anything, but if it was redstone it would have happened instantly..... very strange
16:24 einball sry :(
16:24 Electronics yeah.., weird
16:24 Electronics maybe some lava somewhere caught the tnt on fire or something
16:24 electricguy maybe
16:25 electricguy there may be a cave nearby with lava in it
16:25 BitViper was there a remote switch that someone may have triggered w/o realizing what it did ?
16:25 BitViper seems unlikely, they shoulda heard the noise and seen the mess
16:26 Electronics it would have only fired once if they hit one button
16:26 electricguy nope, no switches
16:26 Electronics and another lever switched it OFF, so I don't know....
16:26 BitViper redstone + tnt always a bad idea
16:27 BitViper especially around the guys electricguy and I hang with O_O
16:27 Electronics well if it was the redstone, the tnt should have gone off instantly... nothing changed
16:27 electricguy BitViper, heh yeah
16:27 BitViper electricguy : we need a cray to run minecrap on :)
16:27 electricguy HAHAHA yeah XD
16:27 Electronics =P
16:31 BitViper i need to make a plugin that detects tnt activation and checks the area to see if there are more than a configurable number of tnt blocks within range, and stop the explosion if there are too many
16:31 angy easy if you run bukkit
16:31 Electronics that would be very usefull, espcially if you could configure the number of tnt blocks it checks for
16:32 BitViper angy : does anyone NOT run bukkit ? LOL Electronics : thats what im saying, make the number configurable
16:32 angy BitViper: Yes
16:33 BitViper or even just dig into the explosion recusion routine and simply limit the number or explosions to a configureable number, ie regardless of how many blocks of tnt, only the first N will go up
16:34 BitViper electricguy and I and friends have taken down some serious hardware with tnt :) :) :)
16:34 electricguy hrmm.. i don't understand what you mean... *cough cough* XD
16:35 BitViper thats ok electricguy, i have copies of the "evidence" LOL
16:35 electricguy LOL
16:35 electricguy DAM!
16:35 electricguy N
16:35 BitViper in fact i think i have one of them saved at the beginning of the process
16:38 electricguy hehe nice
16:38 BitViper i should use that to test any new hardware we get ... see if it can handle it :)
16:39 angy and it´s time for me to go week-end style!
16:39 BitViper have a good one angy, dont have too much fun unless youre prepared to share it with us
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16:43 Seroster I like this ball bearing. I got it to a few dozen thousand rpms
16:46 einball Wow .. There are Dummyloads for AF signals!?
16:47 electricguy lol, yes
16:47 tonsofpcs AF?
16:47 electricguy audio freq
16:47 einball never heard about that ... I guess, they are for amp "simulation" :D
16:47 tonsofpcs oh
16:48 tonsofpcs in the microwave world, we call that "DC"
16:48 electricguy for load testing amps without a lot of noise
16:48 tonsofpcs in the audio world, we call that "audio" ;)
16:48 SparkyProjects einball: how else can you test a 500 watt power amplifier qithout deaafening your neighbours :P
16:48 electricguy LOL, DC... XD
16:48 einball No, it's only 60watts:D
16:48 electricguy it use to be a BIG wire wount resistor
16:48 tonsofpcs electricguy: please, the microwave folks would treat my 100MHz FM transmitter as DC ;)
16:48 einball I prefer RF and AF ... :)
16:48 electricguy on 2, 4,8 or 16Ohm depending on your amp
16:48 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: give them earmuffs?
16:48 SparkyProjects :P
16:48 electricguy tonsofpcs, LOL, yes X
16:48 electricguy XD
16:49 tonsofpcs I wonder if there's a way to strap my 5kW 50ohm load for audio...
16:50 einball tonsofpcs: there is .. impedance transformer and there we go :)
16:50 tonsofpcs (It's a bunch of 25ohm resistors wired in parallel+series)
16:50 tonsofpcs einball: that's cheating!
16:50 electricguy of course :P
16:50 tonsofpcs 25/3 ~= 8....
16:50 einball I bet, you don't want to use the 1khz test tone :D
16:50 tonsofpcs einball: why not?
16:50 electricguy nah that can be annoying XD
16:50 tonsofpcs are you a purist? prefer 440?
16:51 einball tonsofpcs: I'd prefer "40db attenuator" instead of "dummyload" :D
16:51 tonsofpcs violinist? prefer 442?
16:51 electricguy in school we had a BIG 1kW 8Ohm resistor on the wall for amp torture tests XD
16:51 einball not really .. but imagine a 5kw transformer at 1khz .. ;)
16:51 electricguy was a beast :P
16:51 ajcc all filters are balanced around 1kHz, that's why you use the 1kHz test tone
16:51 tonsofpcs electricguy: the fact that it's "a" resistor makes it small :-p
16:51 ajcc at 1kHz, that's the real gain in dB
16:51 electricguy tonsofpcs, about 2 meters long and 20cm diameter... XD ceramic form :P
16:52 electricguy was a big resistor.. XD
16:52 electricguy no idea where it came from
16:52 einball A "THIS IS SPARTA" resistor :)
16:52 tonsofpcs electricguy: what do you think is in my little 5kW dummy load?  about 20 of those ;) (ok, they're only about 0.5 m long)
16:52 electricguy yeah XD the current limiter for Chuck Norris electric toothbrush...
16:52 electricguy sounds like a nice dummyload :P
16:52 tonsofpcs then we have others that are just a can of oil with fins ;)
16:52 electricguy yeah XD
16:53 einball Hmm, I still figure out the cooling for my 20kW dummyload .. that sucks balls (EME)
16:53 electricguy i have seen the dummyload at the nuclear powerplant in Oskarshamn a bit from here. they can dump 9MW into it for 3 seconds.. XD
16:53 tonsofpcs einball: ours is vertical, fins on the side, and a 110v fan on top for exhaust
16:53 einball (EME amp testing)
16:53 electricguy THAT's a beasty dummyload :P
16:54 einball I think about a salt water dummyload with 2 or 3 evo 1800 cpu radiators :)
16:54 tonsofpcs I'm guessing it's oil-filled, but I'm not sure.  I've never had to move it.
16:54 electricguy lol oki:P
16:54 Sgt_Lemming http://vimeo.com/34340906 <--- amazing video
16:54 electricguy yeah for a dummyload that size it gotta be oil filled
16:54 einball electricguy: Well, 9Mw for 3 seconds is like nothing for a powerplant?: P
16:55 electricguy no :P but it's a shitload of power :P
16:55 einball true
16:55 tonsofpcs http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bird-8921-5kW-Termaline-RF-Dummy-Load-Coaxial-Resistor-/380319845687 is what our little oil-filled guys look like
16:55 tonsofpcs the 20kW is much larger.
16:56 electricguy ooh! nice one :P
16:56 einball Friends of me and I want to do some EME communication. We're about to build a big PA for that (guess what? Tubes! :D)
16:56 electricguy nice :D
16:56 tonsofpcs http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/WRKI-backup-transmitter-and-dummy-load1.jpg is kinda what ours looks like (but ours is tapered) [the thing on the right for those of you lost]
16:57 electricguy hehe, very nice :D
16:57 tonsofpcs actuallly..... *looks for picture*
16:57 einball The cool thing is: saltwater dummys are much smaller :)
16:57 electricguy holy balls.... girls that think HTML code is fun are annoying XD
16:58 electricguy she's like "LEARN ME MORE YOU FUCKING BITCH!!!" XD
16:58 einball electricguy: ask for exchange :D
16:58 einball *any kind of
16:58 electricguy lol, maybe.. XD
16:59 electricguy she's only 16 though... XD
16:59 einball Sgt_Lemming: OH! Just got behind the fact the camera is upside doen :)
16:59 Sgt_Lemming he he he, took me a minute or so to realise that one
16:59 Sgt_Lemming freaking awesome isn't it?
17:00 einball Very cool ... I thought "ice under ice? Freaking awesome!" but then I realized it =)
17:01 BitViper electricguy : whats all the flashing lights on your stream anyway ?
17:01 tonsofpcs hmm, maybe that is the same as ours
17:02 tonsofpcs (no good picture to share, sorry)
17:02 einball electricguy: oh cmon :(
17:02 electricguy BitViper, christmaslight on the balcony XD
17:02 electricguy einball, what? :P
17:02 einball electricguy: teaching a 16yr old girl html? ;)
17:02 electricguy ahh :P
17:02 BitViper electricguy : oh, i was seeing them as being down on the street level and couldnt figure it out LOL
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17:02 electricguy yeh, i'm not giving up :P
17:03 BitViper she's too old for you electricguy
17:03 electricguy LOL :P
17:04 Cprossu salutations everyone just woke up
17:04 BitViper Cprossu : who says we're awake ?
17:04 electricguy lol
17:04 electricguy ohoy Cprossu
17:05 Cprossu I never did :P
17:05 Electronics heya, we can't work out what happened with the HVL, did you change anything? or was it just weirdness...
17:05 tonsofpcs einball: EME amp?
17:05 Cprossu nope I logged in and hvl was blow to fuck
17:05 Cprossu *blown
17:05 tonsofpcs blow?
17:05 tonsofpcs blown?
17:05 Cprossu as in blown up.
17:05 Cprossu with a great crater
17:05 Electronics redstone would have immediatley blown the tnt, so must have been lava or something set the tnt off.
17:05 * BitViper hopes his detonator was destroyed in the chaos <eg>
17:06 tonsofpcs hrm?
17:06 Electronics -
17:07 BitViper im KIDDING ! =P
17:07 einball tonsofpcs: Earth Moon Earth communication
17:07 tonsofpcs ah
17:07 tonsofpcs we use manmade satellites
17:07 einball screw that ...
17:07 einball EME is cooler :D
17:07 Cprossu I was looking at some of the surviving redstone stuff though Electronics
17:07 Cprossu must have been really cool
17:07 tonsofpcs geostationary is easier
17:07 einball tonsofpcs: not as geeky as EME :D
17:07 tonsofpcs Cprossu: oh, you mean in minecraft
17:07 Electronics not irl =P
17:07 Cprossu yes.
17:07 tonsofpcs stop freaking me out.
17:08 Cprossu rofl
17:08 tonsofpcs and stop playing that stupid game
17:08 Cprossu almost done
17:08 Cprossu at least I am on a firends account
17:08 tonsofpcs einball: I play with HD video.
17:08 Cprossu and didn't pay for it =P
17:08 Electronics have you taken a backup? =P
17:08 Cprossu last night I did
17:08 einball tonsofpcs: nice :)
17:08 tonsofpcs Cprossu: you could be doing better things with your time!  like autocadding the real HVL!
17:08 Cprossu fuck autocadding it
17:08 tonsofpcs einball: try making that survive EME ;)
17:08 Electronics it's MCCAD
17:08 Cprossu I need actual measurements for that
17:08 einball I like fooling around with video .. but iam too dumb for a halfway professional vid
17:09 tonsofpcs Cprossu: and?  I'm sure there's people who can use a tape measure
17:09 einball tonsofpcs: no problem . the moon has a loss of about 160db :)
17:09 Cprossu tonsofpcs the reason I didn't do it in the first place
17:09 tonsofpcs einball: yea, a VERY clean audio WIRE has a noisefloor of about -110dB
17:09 Cprossu was because it would have taken me every bit of the month and a week I had at the lab to get it right
17:10 einball tonsofpcs: well ... -110dbm noisefloor .. true ... thermal noise
17:10 einball 160db loss is freaking high .... 160dbm is like ... 4Terawatt? :D
17:10 tonsofpcs no, -110dBFS
17:11 tonsofpcs so only about -90 to -100 dBm ;)
17:11 tonsofpcs Cprossu: I want someone to make a real to-scale drawing so we know what walls to sledgehammer to find the bodies :-p
17:11 einball wow :o
17:11 Cprossu you'll just have to drive down and do it yourself
17:11 tonsofpcs einball: mind you, we do classical music here...
17:11 Cprossu Electronics|AFK before you go
17:12 tonsofpcs I'll have to get a raise first
17:12 Cprossu we're going to move it to a modded server once we get the building final
17:12 BitViper tonsofpcs / Cprossu : im trying to make a 3d model from photos provided by wannabe-afk, actual measurements would be better though
17:12 einball tonsofpcs: classical music? er ... lol :)
17:12 Cprossu then they can use control blocks to make everything
17:13 tonsofpcs einball: yes.  That stuff where it goes from a piccolo barely audible in the background on a CD cut to a timpani just below clipping in about 2 minutes....
17:13 einball ah okay .. so more or less the same volume ... (CD's have a horrible dynamic range) :)
17:13 tonsofpcs speaking of which... I need to figure out when AutoCad 2013 gets released so I can update
17:14 tonsofpcs I'm still running 11 because I didn't bother with 12.
17:14 tonsofpcs CDs have a 96dB dynamic range
17:14 einball hooorrible ;)
17:14 tonsofpcs and you can actually get 3 more dB out of them if you do a bit of skew math ;)
17:15 tonsofpcs (I suppose you could get 3dB on either side, really)
17:15 einball Sure ... Sadly, PA's have some db's more than CD's (or are concerts better because you actually feel the vibes in your stomach? >:D)
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17:16 tonsofpcs einball: what do you mean?
17:16 einball I like live concerts a lot more than CD recordings.
17:16 einball They have more highs and lows .. they are more dynamic .. a lot more :)
17:17 tonsofpcs I bet that if I put you in a sealed room and had a concert performed and played you back a properly authored CD, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
17:17 tonsofpcs don't blame the music industry's overcompressed, overlimited, flat-topped loudness practice on the format.
17:17 einball I listened to Long Distance Calling, a postrock band. After I've been to their concert, the CD's lost it's .. (word missing)
17:18 Seroster This compressor is very angry at me
17:18 Seroster :c
17:18 tonsofpcs "je ne sais qua"
17:18 tonsofpcs (or however you spell that)
17:18 einball Its enthusiasm? Don't know how to tell it :)
17:19 tonsofpcs again, a quality recording would sound just the same.
17:20 tonsofpcs this is one of those little things that classical recordings actually do well (mostly because 96% of the people who buy classical albums are purists)
17:20 SparkyProjects Point is, you don't get quality recordings on generic CD's
17:20 einball True
17:20 tonsofpcs You can.
17:21 SparkyProjects Also, CD's are digtal, a live performance is analogue
17:22 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: more and more live performances are digital.
17:23 tonsofpcs Neumann even makes microphones with AES outputs on them.
17:26 tonsofpcs ('solution' brochure: http://www.neumann.com/img/Linkgraphics/Solution-D_E.pdf )
17:28 BitViper wheeeeee, I might be able to make it down to the lab next week =) =)
17:28 tonsofpcs bring a pencil, clipboard, paper, and 100' tape measure
17:28 tonsofpcs :)
17:31 BitViper tonsofpcs : and camera
17:32 tonsofpcs eh, overrated (sure, I brought mine when I visited)
17:32 tonsofpcs oh, and netbook with autocad actually on it :-p
17:33 BitViper meh, i'll have sketchup
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17:38 electricguy found this comment by photonicinduction in a fangroup on FB.. "The 240 th vid will be the last guys :("
17:38 electricguy no reason why though...
17:39 electricguy http://www.facebook.com/photonicinduction/posts/131687143580258
17:40 electricguy but the posts are from July. so he surely had something going on much earlier
17:54 tonsofpcs sketchup can be accurate to 1/16?
17:56 * yNos is sick of oracle DBAs
17:58 * JA12 is sick of Oracle
18:00 yNos i have no problem helping someone learn, but i have enough crap on my plate.. i dont want to write a script for you to reorg your world....
18:00 yNos bah
18:07 BitViper tonsofpcs : you can make it even more accurate if you want, but thats the default
18:08 Seroster Fucking idiots
18:08 BitViper if you really want accuracy you work on a scale of 100:1 or 1000:1
18:08 Seroster Couple of guys hanging around outside the pizzeria, really, get a room.
18:08 Seroster And they ask me if I'm not cold when I come biking in a tshirt in subzero weather.
18:08 Seroster IF I WAS BOTHERED BY THE TEMPERATURE I WOULD PUT ON A FUCKING COAT YOU INBRED PIECE OF SHIT
18:10 tonsofpcs BitViper: on a scale?! eww.  Why would you use a scale in software?
18:19 Cprossu I need food
18:23 einball Damn .. Iam idealess
18:30 tonsofpcs Cprossu: bring me some?
18:31 Cprossu possibly heh!
18:35 tonsofpcs If you need a good $100 cheeseburger, Kristofer's is just down the road to the west of KCZG
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18:43 Ponko hoorah
18:47 Ponko anyone alive
18:47 ajcc nope
18:47 ajcc all are dead
18:47 * Ponko turns in Dave Lister
18:48 Ponko who is?
18:48 ajcc red dwarf?
18:48 Ponko yes
18:49 Ponko everybody's dead ave
18:49 Ponko dave*
18:49 ajcc right, I forgot about that episode
18:50 Ponko the first one
18:50 Ponko lol
18:59 einball You know that moment, when you did something stupid and just realize that something will go horrible wrong, but you cannot do anything against it? -_-
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19:02 mashpriborintorg hi
19:02 mashpriborintorg any news about Photonicinduction ?
19:04 electricguy i have only seen a comment from him on FB saying that video 240 were going to be the last one
19:04 electricguy that comment was from July 2011 so he had something going on
19:05 mashpriborintorg but he zapped all, not only quit doing videos
19:05 electricguy yeah
19:05 electricguy no one really knows
19:05 mashpriborintorg some people think it's just a hacking
19:05 electricguy yeah
19:06 electricguy but then i think he would have announced that to everybody
19:06 mashpriborintorg yeah
19:08 electricguy one word... AWESOME! http://hackaday.com/2012/01/06/3d-printing-minecraft-worlds/
19:08 Bot-Mobile Title: 3D printing Minecraft worlds - Hack a Day
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19:15 Cprossu FYI, Minecraft servers have been updated to the 12w01a snapshot avail at http://www.mojang.com
19:15 Bot-Mobile Title: Mojang — Creators of Minecraft
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19:19 Seroster Superphosphate!
19:19 Seroster CaptainNiobe!
19:19 Seroster dr_jkl!
19:19 Superphosphate hi
19:19 Seroster tonsofpcs!
19:19 CaptainNiobe he sero :)
19:19 Seroster Hows life women?
19:19 CaptainNiobe hey* fail lol
19:19 Cprossu lol @ electricguy
19:19 electricguy :P
19:20 CaptainNiobe life is good... :D
19:20 CaptainNiobe you?
19:20 Superphosphate Im not too bad today thanks :)
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19:22 electricguy naaww what a nice kitteh :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXigjFm4TM&amp;feature=g-all-lik&amp;context=G29686c7FAAAAAlgAZAA
19:22 Bot-Mobile Title: Cat soothing crying baby to sleep - too cute! - YouTube
19:26 tonsofpcs Seroster!
19:27 Seroster tonsofpcs!
19:27 Seroster I hate this town
19:27 Seroster Especially its people, and the water, and its location, and its weather.
19:31 Superphosphate what about the schools?
19:32 einball 7segments are soo fancy :3
19:33 Seroster Yeah, those suck too =)
19:33 einball :(
19:34 tonsofpcs Seroster: you're in Binghamton?
19:34 Seroster Good try
19:35 tonsofpcs well, hating the water is pretty common around here
19:35 tonsofpcs I mean, the susquehanna river isn't clean to begin with, then it floods well above its banks and brings sewage with it and ... yea...
19:36 Seroster Here it isnt the river
19:36 Seroster Its the tapwater
19:36 Seroster It is about a percent by weight of lime
19:40 Coderjoe tonsofpcs: as opposed to the grand river. for awhile, every time it rained heavilly, raw sewage was dumped into the river.
19:41 Seroster Do you yanks cook your sewage?
19:41 Seroster I know you have a hard time economically, but to cook shit, WHAT THE FUCK
19:41 Coderjoe as opposed to partially-treated sewage that was in the wastewater treatment plant
19:42 Seroster ...Yeah, I know, just wordplay
19:44 electricguy ok, have found a bit more info, photonicinduction lives in Kent, England
19:45 Seroster .... Breaking news
19:46 electricguy might help someone
19:50 iSasha So wait, what happened to photonicinduction?
19:51 Cprossu wow when did that happen?!
19:51 electricguy what?
19:51 Seroster Ha
19:51 Superphosphate Dubai doesnt have a sewage system!!!
19:51 Seroster iSasha, He is not on yt anymore
19:51 roadran422|zZz Hey! Back from school
19:51 Seroster I found someone that said he is Photy
19:52 Seroster "Chaps, I closed the account for numerous reasons of my own free will, I never received a single account strike and I was not hacked.
19:52 Seroster The account is not recoverable, the vids are gone forever.
19:52 Seroster I was hating youtube more and more on a daily basis, I do need to do a final vid just to explain a bit more, this should eliminate any speculations or rumours.
19:52 Seroster have to admit, it feels great to be free of it all :)"
19:52 iSasha Oh... what a shame
19:52 roadran422|zZz I read on chrs's wall
19:52 roadran422|zZz *chris's
19:52 Seroster I HIGHLY Fucking doubt that is him, because it is written with capital letters in the beginning
19:52 roadran422|zZz I don't know. He could be drunk?
19:53 iSasha Dunno... this is news to me
19:53 roadran422 I heard about it yestarday ^
19:53 roadran422 Brb
19:53 Seroster http://www.google.cf/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=117c27e9c66a6e18&amp;hl=en
19:53 Bot-Mobile Title: What happened to Photonicinduction channel - YouTube Help
19:54 electricguy the supposedly "new" photonicinduction got the name thisisphoton on youtube. at least had... that channel is gone now
19:54 electricguy it existed some hours ago
19:54 Electronics weird
19:54 Seroster Yeah bullshit, electricguy
19:55 electricguy yeh
19:55 electricguy and i don't think he was hacked
19:55 Electronics read the RODAL comment or whatever
19:55 Seroster If it was he would be back
19:55 Electronics on that page
19:55 electricguy but he posted a comment on FB in july that number 240 were going to be the last video
19:55 electricguy i think he had something going on
19:56 Seroster "He said (FB chat) he's ok that he'll make a big explaining vid very soon, so let's just hope it's not that bad as it seems, because he deleted the account by himself.."
19:56 roadran422 Back
19:56 roadran422 xD
19:58 electricguy a man got arrested in Yorkshire for pointing a high power green laser into the sku... but he lives in Kent, which is far from Yorkshire
19:58 iSasha Dude, no need to copy stuff from that page
19:58 roadran422 What's the problem?
19:58 roadran422 Wrong person arrested?
19:59 electricguy i'm not copying, this is what i read about half an hour ago in a YT comment
19:59 electricguy roadran422, no, that was some other guy getting arrested, not photonicinduction
19:59 roadran422 Oh... xD
19:59 roadran422 On to something else. Who likes doritos?
20:00 Seroster If he was arrested he wouldnt be like "Right, I'll come with you officer, just let me remove my youtube account first!"
20:01 roadran422 xD ^
20:01 iSasha exactly
20:01 iSasha anyone have a backup of his vids?
20:01 Seroster Same if he got electrocuted "AARGH! I LIKED A MOT AND IM FUCKING DYING!!!!" - and with his dying breath he hit the big red panic button that removed his youtube account, web history and nuked his harddrives. =P  - You know, the one halways has on him while doing crazy shit, just in case!
20:02 roadran422 Hard to eat chips with braces.
20:02 Seroster HAA! U GOT BRACES!
20:02 roadran422 Seroster: xD
20:02 roadran422 Seroster shut it.
20:02 einball lol
20:02 Seroster Welcome to five years of bullyin
20:02 iSasha Damn it Seroster, stop hating on teenagers.
20:02 roadran422 Dude, don't do it to someone if you got it ok? It's not right.
20:02 Seroster I am one myself, sasha =P
20:02 mashpriborintorg someone onfo Chris fb comments says he knows someone who has backups...
20:02 roadran422 Yep ^
20:02 roadran422 Was about to say that xD
20:03 iSasha O rly Seroster? How old are you?
20:03 electricguy mashpriborintorg, ye. someone have downloaded all of photon's videos
20:03 roadran422 19
20:03 mashpriborintorg btw backups are coming online onto several yt channels right now
20:03 roadran422 iSasha: He's 19
20:03 iSasha Hmmm... I hope someone has backups of captain's blogs
20:03 roadran422 xD ^
20:04 Cprossu we've lost a lot of video on thegeekgroup channel over the years
20:04 iSasha Yeah, I noticed that a couple of weeks ago, like a dozen days were gone from the captain's blog...
20:04 roadran422 ...
20:04 electricguy funny, the channel "thisisphoton" still exists. but you can't search for it. http://www.youtube.com/user/Thisisphoton/feed
20:05 iSasha Why do they delete them?
20:05 Bot-Mobile Title: Thisisphoton's Channel - YouTube
20:05 iSasha Yeah, well that's not him
20:05 electricguy nah
20:06 mashpriborintorg we lost the old vids about "project Victoria" on the captain's channel
20:06 JA12 iSasha: my guess is that "this video has content from Sony BMG and has been removed on copyright grounds"
20:06 roadran422 Idk... I can't see the latest vide
20:06 roadran422 xD ^
20:06 electricguy the comments the person have posed really doesn't sound like him
20:06 roadran422 It doesn't.
20:06 iSasha mashpriborintorg: why?
20:07 iSasha And what was project Victoria?
20:07 roadran422 What is that project?
20:09 Seroster What vids were removed from captainsblog?
20:09 mashpriborintorg it was a large builind they did visit, for lab use
20:09 Seroster Ah
20:09 Seroster The dumbwaiter one?
20:09 mashpriborintorg before even the kzoo tax shit
20:10 iSasha Oh yeah, I remember something about that. Like, they put a camera in the lift thingy?
20:10 mashpriborintorg dunnot know, seemed like a former electronics factory
20:10 mashpriborintorg it was huge
20:10 iSasha So why did they take down the vid??
20:10 Seroster Idk, but if it was removed it is probably because the people who owns it said "We really dont like you having that video there"
20:10 Seroster And not wanting to fuck with people just because you can it was most likely removed without much fuzz
20:11 Seroster Because fucking with people because you can is fun, but it makes enemies.
20:11 electricguy ok, photonicinduction posted this on FB 18h ago  "Sadly photonicinduction hit the self destruct button, it is gone forever."   " much love to you all. Andy."
20:11 mashpriborintorg there where some kinds of cooling towers iirc
20:11 electricguy ....
20:11 Electronics dumb waitor was there yesterday
20:11 roadran422 Idk...
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20:13 iSasha You know what chris should do? Make a torrent with each captain's blog, and post it to a RSS feed... much easier for people with crappy connections like mine
20:13 Seroster How many vids are on the physicsduck channel now?
20:13 Seroster 400ish?
20:13 iSasha *with each new one
20:13 Seroster Yeah, I know.
20:14 iSasha So just like downloading TV shows
20:14 Seroster But downloading all the cpt blogs, torrentify it and put on tpb would be a decent backup
20:15 iSasha Hmmm... good idea. Would someone like to do that :P ?
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20:15 leepod hi
20:15 Electronics need a couple of people to seed them
20:16 BitViper i could seed em, as long as such was officially sanctioned by chris
20:16 BitViper my server is on like 100G or something
20:17 Seroster I dont think he would mind
20:17 iSasha Nice BitViper! Just a seedbox or a full blown server?
20:17 BitViper i dont think so either, but with all the leagal bs about torrents these days =(
20:17 roadran422 Linux iso torrent legal?
20:17 BitViper iSasha : well, i control the physical server, so its a full server, but its not big iron
20:18 Seroster Torrents as a means of moving files is not illegal
20:18 BitViper roadran422 : depends on who you ask. some consider ANY torrenting illegal, despite what the 'owner' of the item being torrented says
20:18 Seroster Just when you don't have the rights
20:18 roadran422 Wow.
20:18 Seroster And evrything on youtube is under creative commons, so it should be legal to take them all, even without asking.
20:18 Monkeh BitViper: Some people are utterly stupid.
20:19 BitViper Monkeh : mostly politicians
20:19 BitViper Seroster : i would agree, personally
20:19 iSasha Yeah, you from USA Monkeh?
20:19 Monkeh iSasha: No.
20:19 iSasha Damn. Then I could have hated on you for SOPA :P
20:19 Monkeh Yes, hate individual people for the stupidity of their government
20:20 Seroster Lol
20:20 mashpriborintorg Here, downloadinf a movie is almost as serious as killing a grandma in the street
20:20 iSasha :D
20:20 iSasha And lemme guess... HADOPI?
20:20 BitViper sopa is the (so far) climax of stupidity (and constitutional violation) for our government ever i think
20:20 mashpriborintorg hado-nuclearshit
20:20 Seroster Kickass, I could kill my grandma in law, she's a damn millionaire and gave my fiance the equivalent of 20 bucks for xmas.
20:20 roadran422 Soup is the best?
20:20 roadran422 Sopa is soup
20:21 Electronics say You can move them, they're not mine
20:21 iSasha You know, mash, it is sooo nice to be your neighbour... you know, a place where torrenting is not only legal, but the ISP has a CDN for torrents ;)
20:21 Electronics oooooops
20:21 Seroster For legal reasons I'll have to add that I do not plan to murder anyone.
20:21 iSasha Lol!
20:21 Cprossu what's up Electronics?
20:22 iSasha Afaik he broke some electrics
20:22 iSasha *electronics
20:22 Electronics wrong window
20:22 Electronics stupid dual screen
20:23 iSasha BTW, BitViper, I can't decide whether I should or shouldn't get a VPS slot for torrenting....
20:24 BitViper iSasha : if its only going to be for torrenting, there are two things to worry about ... (a) bandwidth allotment (b) attitude of host toward torrenting .... not much concern about memory or processor
20:25 iSasha Oh right, I just realised the place I was going to host it in was france... :/
20:25 BitViper iSasha : just get one in the us *cough*
20:25 iSasha Dude, that is like ridiculous
20:25 BitViper hehe
20:25 tonsofpcs Coderjoe: oh, there's a constant flow of sewage INTO the river....
20:26 iSasha I live like RIGHT NEXT to france. The US? Oh, it's like 1000 miles away!
20:26 Ponko o_O try 3500 iSasha
20:27 tonsofpcs iSasha: it's just a hop, skip, and jump over the pond ;)
20:27 Ponko one big skip and jump
20:27 iSasha You'll notice the difference with no CDN
20:28 mashpriborintorg we should better put them onto dvds or usb drives and send them by mail :p
20:28 iSasha Hmmm... because of course I will do that every time a new episode of how I met your mother or the big bang theory comes out ;)
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20:29 electricguy photons website is gutted too http://www.photonicinduction.co.uk/index.html
20:29 Bot-Mobile Title: Photonicinduction - Home
20:30 mashpriborintorg I didn't even know he had a website...
20:30 yNos wow: Slow news day in grand rapids... http://www.wzzm13.com/video/livestream/live.aspx
20:30 Bot-Mobile Title: Live Video
20:30 electricguy me neither, until 2 mins ago
20:31 mashpriborintorg maybe his wife was fedup with the sparks 'n arcs 'n xplosions :p
20:31 electricguy hehe maybe
20:31 mashpriborintorg and the ruined carpet XD
20:31 yNos and the smells
20:32 mashpriborintorg not speaking about the neighbours even :p
20:32 yNos Sparks and arcs can be fairly well contained... smells are a lot harder.
20:32 BitViper lol at zzm13 video
20:32 yNos yeah
20:32 yNos watching ice melt
20:32 yNos in janruary
20:32 yNos read the comments
20:34 BitViper lol 'best program of the year'
20:34 mashpriborintorg ice ? melting , how the hell is it possible ? :p
20:35 BitViper we dont have winter here any more, just a bit of mildly cool weather between fall and spring
20:35 BitViper with an occasional snow flake
20:35 mashpriborintorg same here, craploads of rain and wind, but quite warm
20:36 mashpriborintorg I believe it didn't ice at all until now
20:37 yNos we havent had snow worth a poop this year
20:37 yNos but i am ok, i will get on the motorcycle tonight for a ride :D
20:37 Cprossu woo
20:38 Seroster This winter sucked
20:38 Seroster Last two winters it hit -30 on my balchony, this winter hasnt even snowed.
20:39 mashpriborintorg cprossu, I saw a dead Ipad, the thing had red pixels dancing all over the screen... warranty ended 8 days ago
20:40 Cprossu doesn't surprise me a bit
20:41 electricguy is the live stream down?
20:41 Cprossu nope
20:41 Cprossu black screen though
20:41 mashpriborintorg why making an indestructible diecast bidyn it the electronics inside fails
20:41 electricguy nvm, seems like it works now
20:42 electricguy a very dark screen though
20:42 electricguy can only see some static
20:42 mashpriborintorg it's the HVL, lights turned off
20:42 electricguy ahh, it's a dark hvl
20:42 electricguy yeh
20:45 mashpriborintorg we didn't see much of this large equipment donation for these two last days
20:45 Cprossu yeah I am not pushing it or changing the feed
20:45 * Cprossu puts the gain back to nearly normal
20:46 iSasha I wonder why mash?Oh and Seroster, where do you live?
20:46 Seroster Sweden, sasha.
20:46 Seroster You?
20:49 mashpriborintorg Apple makes expensive casings on the ipad, but the electronics, batteries and screen have huge reliability issues... it's like putting a rusty bolt in a jewel box...
20:49 Cprossu considering it's all foxconn done on the cheap it's not surprising
20:50 Cprossu also lead free solder for the loss.
20:51 mashpriborintorg it seems using lead free solder together with BGA chips is the worst thing
20:53 Monkeh BGA is horrible if there's any chance of stress
20:54 Cprossu indeed mashpriborintorg.
20:54 mashpriborintorg inside the metal body, there should be no stress... no mecanical stress at least
20:55 yNos time to fix the ipod!
20:56 * yNos grabs the gallagher hammer
20:56 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKayY6eD9k
20:56 Bot-Mobile Title: opie's eye - Gallagher Smashing SHIT - YouTube
20:56 wannabe1987 yNos: when you go to chez olga, what do you get for your appetizer?  i forgot to ask you yesterday
20:58 yNos iced coffee
20:58 DruidicRifleman hey yNos
20:58 yNos hey there
20:58 DruidicRifleman .weather l1h6c4
20:58 Bot-Mobile No ICAO code found, sorry
20:58 DruidicRifleman .weather oshawa
20:58 Bot-Mobile Overcast ☁, 44.6℉ (7℃), 29.58in (998mb), Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - CYKZ 20:00Z
20:58 wannabe1987 not pate or smething?  interesting.  i had iced coffee for the first time there tues, it was awesome
20:58 yNos wannabe1987: so what, you are too good to talk to me when you are at the lab?
20:58 wannabe1987 o.O the bot is back?
20:58 DruidicRifleman Ok it's above freasing
20:59 Cprossu yNos: Sledge-o-matic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:59 wannabe1987 no, i forgot!  you disappeared and you left....
20:59 wannabe1987 i left*
20:59 DruidicRifleman but... Is that for north oshawa....
20:59 DruidicRifleman or south...
20:59 yNos i tried talking to you in the parking lot.. ignored..
20:59 BitViper hey yNos, i understand youre also a ham ?
20:59 yNos yup
20:59 wannabe1987 you waved....i stopped the car....you said you were just waving :/
20:59 BitViper many hams other than chris and you and someone said another nick but i dont remember who
20:59 yNos nah, you walked past me in the lot on your way to the car...
21:00 BitViper and electricguy and me
21:00 yNos must have had headphones in ;)
21:00 wannabe1987 yeah....you was smokin
21:00 yNos not cigs..
21:00 wannabe1987 o.  looked that way.  sry
21:00 Monkeh mashpriborintorg: Heat causes movement unfortunately.
21:00 yNos np
21:00 yNos i feel shunned :(
21:00 * yNos cries
21:00 wannabe1987 i've got tuesdays and fridays off now....i'll be there more often!
21:00 Cprossu lol yNos chris gave you a challenge to make some really screwed up ejuice
21:00 Monkeh Cprossu: I just saw soldering worse than mine. And it was professional.
21:00 wannabe1987 :hugs:  there, better now?
21:01 yNos :D
21:01 Cprossu you should make something really messed up just for him
21:01 yNos much
21:01 yNos i have
21:01 Cprossu or take something he loves, put it in a bottle, and label it funny
21:01 yNos flavors are really hard to get right with more than 2
21:01 BitViper i dunno about ejuice, but i make some pretty screwed up drink combos :)
21:01 yNos i gave him one labled "Corn Squeezins"
21:01 Cprossu hahahaa
21:01 yNos was unflavored ;)
21:02 Seroster Theres a fucking cat chewing on my motstack
21:02 Cprossu hahaha
21:02 yNos with extra PG for the burn
21:02 BitViper pickle juice, cranberry juice, orange jjice, pepsi, egnog .... nuf said
21:02 yNos BitViper: you sick fuck
21:02 BitViper hehehe
21:02 yNos that must curdle quick
21:02 Cprossu We should introduce the real chris boden line of ejuice though yNos
21:02 BitViper only what it touches
21:02 Cprossu "Smells like burning"
21:03 yNos mint:its a thing
21:03 Cprossu lol
21:03 yNos fruity morning girly drink:the captain''s special
21:03 BitViper ohhhh, that reminded me i still have some alcohol stuff in the freezer from new years, hrm .....
21:03 Cprossu DEAD CAT!
21:04 yNos i need to get some 190 proof everclear to make some tinctures.
21:04 yNos try to extract flavors from stuff i cant get..
21:04 yNos realmint
21:04 wannabe1987 can someone cure cancer quick like please?
21:04 BitViper i think my mix noted above my cure cancer ... or kill the patient, or something
21:05 BitViper *may
21:05 Cprossu Gentoo flavor: comes in containers and parts that you have to complile yourself
21:05 yNos gentoo flavor: tastes like assrape
21:05 Cprossu haha
21:05 yNos Now with Jelly!
21:06 Ponko-Away ewwww nasty
21:06 yNos exactly
21:06 wannabe1987 altho i did get good news today: i finally have a set work schedule....
21:06 Electronics Cprossu, remake the thumper thing, y/n? (MCTGG)
21:07 Cprossu yeah remake it
21:07 Cprossu just don't put the tnt mag in yet
21:07 Electronics if It ever logs in...
21:07 Cprossu oh Electronics
21:07 Cprossu there's a new snapshot
21:07 BitViper i couldnt log into the machine at all earlier
21:07 Cprossu if you didn't know
21:08 Electronics oh yeah
21:08 Cprossu http://assets.minecraft.net/12w01a/minecraft.jar
21:08 Electronics Minecraft, why u no auto update
21:08 Cprossu I've been running cutting edge since 1.00 came out and broke everything
21:08 DruidicRifleman NO TNT!!!!
21:09 Cprossu hey DruidicRifleman log in, I've made progress on the basement
21:10 BitViper wont log in for me just sits there
21:10 wannabe1987 Bot-Mobile: tell toastdude to PM me when he gets on
21:10 Bot-Mobile wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when Toastdude is around.
21:10 yNos alrite
21:10 yNos time to go home
21:10 yNos g'nite all
21:10 Electronics cya
21:10 * yNos waves
21:10 wannabe1987 night?  its 4 in the afternoon.
21:11 DruidicRifleman night yNos
21:11 Cprossu lates yNos haha
21:11 Cprossu I thought it was only 3 there
21:11 DruidicRifleman and i got the same message
21:11 DruidicRifleman 412
21:11 electricguy oh, yeh, can't join the server now as it's another version...
21:11 BitViper eh ?
21:11 Cprossu electricguy: update
21:11 Cprossu http://assets.minecraft.net/12w01a/minecraft.jar
21:12 Monkeh yNos: Hey, no hatin'
21:12 electricguy inofficial updates are buggy
21:12 electricguy and if i do i can't play on other servers
21:12 BitViper yeah
21:12 DruidicRifleman Server not work
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21:13 Cprossu DruidicRifleman it's working, electronics is in
21:13 DruidicRifleman hmmm
21:13 Cprossu did you update your minecraft.jar file?
21:13 DruidicRifleman ugh
21:13 DruidicRifleman no
21:13 Cprossu in your .minecraft/bin folder?
21:13 DruidicRifleman Hold on
21:14 injektion Does anyone here use pfsense?
21:14 Cprossu tgg labs does, and ynos
21:14 Cprossu and you just missed yNos
21:14 injektion I need to know how if I can setup SquidGuard keyword blocking in the GUI
21:15 einball Arduino forums going slooooow
21:16 wannabe1987 h i injektion
21:16 injektion Hi
21:16 Cprossu DruidicRifleman you get it going?
21:18 injektion TGG uses pfsense?
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21:20 DruidicRifleman No no i did not
21:22 injektion Cprossu: Found it
21:24 wannabe1987 o.O  trains collieded in indiana...
21:25 injektion I'm going to have fun with this
21:40 wannabe1987 http://vimeo.com/34674730  this is the best video ever :)
21:40 Bot-Mobile Title: RGO - Walking on Vimeo
21:42 wannabe1987 http://www.wwmt.com/articles/navy-1400195-police-accidentally.html  the fuck?  i thought seals were smart, and didn't "put a pistol he believed was unloaded to his head. Cali says he then pulled the trigger."
21:42 Bot-Mobile Title: Navy SEAL accidentally shoots self | navy, police, accidentally - Police - WWMT NEWSCHANNEL 3
21:45 BitViper darwin in action
21:45 Monkeh yNos: You should make an Ubuntu flavour. Tastes like retard. ;)
21:45 wannabe1987 mhm
21:46 ajprog_laptop injektion: nope we don't use pfsense to my knowledge
21:48 Monkeh I figure yNos just does it by hand.
21:49 mashpriborintorg well, I'll take sleep favos for now
21:49 mashpriborintorg *favor
21:49 mashpriborintorg bye
21:49 wannabe1987 niight
21:50 Cprossu HVL!
21:50 Cprossu musical tc
21:50 Cprossu at least I hear it
21:51 Cprossu hey egrsteve you at the lab?
21:51 electricguy holy balls! old memories :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kpi31f_WKs
21:51 einball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY Great model!
21:51 Bot-Mobile Title: A Turing Machine - Overview - YouTube
21:51 Bot-Mobile Title: D.M.T.V: DJ Rankin - I Am A Raver - YouTube
21:51 electricguy i can't believe that i could listen to that crap and LIKE it when i was younger XD
21:51 electricguy yunger*
21:52 wannabe1987 younger*  you spelled it properly the first time
21:52 electricguy oh
21:52 electricguy wasn't sure
21:52 electricguy like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W-1JL6P1Ok&amp;feature=related
21:52 Bot-Mobile Title: DJ Rankin - Every Breath You Take - YouTube
21:52 electricguy IT SUCKS! XD
21:52 electricguy thank god DJ Rankin pulled the plug of the crap he was "producing"
21:58 Cprossu Electronics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;list=UUbaAyXYMnbQu0BGGPbvxHsw&amp;v=ckwuT5CnM68#t=1026s
21:58 Bot-Mobile Title: Dead Kitty and Music Video Shoot - YouTube
22:03 Coderjoe 1) The firearm is always loaded.
22:05 electricguy ok fellas, photonicinduction says goodbye :( http://www.youtube.com/user/Thisisphoton
22:05 Bot-Mobile Title: Thisisphoton's Channel - YouTube
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22:08 tehdark45 electricguy, i was just about to post that :P
22:08 electricguy heh
22:08 wannabe1987 hi tehdark45
22:08 tehdark45 hello wannabe1987
22:09 tehdark45 and photon thinks Chris is stwaling ideas for profit
22:09 tehdark45 stealing*
22:09 wannabe1987 tgg is a non profit....how can he be stealing ideas for profit?!
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22:10 tehdark45 wannabe1987, He is just raging
22:10 tehdark45 lol
22:11 wannabe1987 ik.  but how can someone steal ideas for profit at a non profit.  #justsayin
22:12 wannabe1987 hey look   its boden in photonic's video
22:12 tehdark45 maybe non profit doesn't exist in the UK
22:12 tehdark45 lol
22:12 wannabe1987 lol i wouldn't know
22:14 tehdark45 Yeah photon stole physicsducks's to profit on his video on his idea!!
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22:14 tehdark45 inception?
22:14 tehdark45 lol
22:15 SparkyProjects Non-profit does exist in the UK, we just call them 'charity organisations'
22:15 eadthem how dose one eat chicken in minecraft
22:15 tehdark45 cook it
22:15 eadthem without cooking it
22:15 eadthem because i know you dont have to
22:15 wannabe1987 use TNT to blow it up?
22:16 tehdark45 right click
22:16 wannabe1987 i don't know...i don't play mc
22:16 tehdark45 hold it in
22:16 eadthem ic
22:16 Coderjoe same way you eat porkchops
22:16 tehdark45 wannabe1987, CREEPER
22:16 tehdark45 HISSSSSSSSSSSS
22:16 tehdark45 run!
22:16 wannabe1987 zomg noes!
22:16 * wannabe1987 uses lava
22:17 * tehdark45 uses bedrock
22:17 eadthem so witch minecraft server is the normal one?
22:18 eadthem i mean there legacy tgg and  cprossu's tgg
22:18 wannabe1987 puppy!
22:20 tehdark45 omni!
22:20 tehdark45 :P
22:20 wannabe1987 no, jen.  i'm not at the lab today
22:20 wannabe1987 next friday
22:20 wannabe1987 :nods:
22:21 tehdark45 i duno when i'll be at the lab
22:21 tehdark45 it's not very close for me
22:21 tehdark45 lol
22:23 wannabe1987 yeah.  i know.  friday is my normal day off....so yeah
22:23 tehdark45 ill have to come up with $250, 500 if I want to get home agian
22:23 tehdark45 lolol
22:24 wannabe1987 go home?  psh
22:24 tehdark45 wannabe1987, i have college >.>
22:24 wannabe1987 tehdark45, i'm sarcastic
22:24 BitViper eadthem : legacy is the main afaik
22:25 tehdark45 wannabe1987, no, you're wannabe1987
22:25 tehdark45 :P
22:25 wannabe1987 :facepalm:
22:26 BitViper as for stealing ideas from a non-prof ... easy, in theory chris, or anyone, could learn about some project some member or guest is working on and then go create/market said idea before the other person, very little recourse by the original person
22:26 tehdark45 :slap: no facepalming
22:26 tehdark45 :P
22:26 * wannabe1987 safely restrains you
22:26 Coderjoe that laser is freaking out the encoder
22:26 tehdark45 escapes the straight jacket
22:26 wannabe1987 BitViper: thats why most people aren't allowed to video/take photos (supposedly) in teh alb
22:27 wannabe1987 straight jackets are not safe restraints
22:27 wannabe1987 ....
22:27 tehdark45 wannabe1987, sp what is? duct tape?
22:27 tehdark45 :P
22:27 BitViper photos and such wouldnt be necessary in many cases, just knowledge of whats being done
22:27 wannabe1987 no.  i haven't learned what is yet, but you could ask amy, she'd know
22:28 tehdark45 Yeah I saw this idea at TGG, they are called tesla coils. Imma take their idea and call it my own!
22:28 wannabe1987 BitViper: yeah, i know, but pictures/video show what exactly it *is*
22:28 wannabe1987 thats their reason for no pics/vids, but since then i've seen lots of cameras in the lab
22:29 tehdark45 wannabe1987, the building sees you :P
22:29 wannabe1987 yes.  i know
22:29 wannabe1987 except i'm not there atm :P
22:29 BitViper id want my camera to take pics/video of my own project anyway
22:29 Coderjoe istr ndas and stuff as well
22:29 tehdark45 they stil see you O_O
22:29 Cprossu later DruidicRifleman
22:30 tehdark45 it*
22:31 DruidicRifleman still on here just not minecraft
22:31 Cprossu fair enough
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22:31 eadthem so is there a area for survival mode play?
22:32 tehdark45 confused1987, it's ok
22:32 Guest38731 hey does any one know if building a tesla coil if the frequency makes a difference?
22:32 Nam3o annyone at HQ tonight
22:32 eadthem it dose
22:33 eadthem smaller coils typicaly have higher frequencys
22:33 confused1987 Nam3o: people are always there
22:33 confused1987 esp on fridays
22:33 confused1987 they're geeks.  they don't have girlfriends (except dave)
22:33 Guest38731 does it matter if it is around 120hz?
22:33 BitViper what are 'girlfriends' ?? O_O
22:33 tehdark45 since a Tesla Coil relies in resonance, you need the correct frequency in order to make it work as efficiently as possible
22:34 eadthem accualy ive alwase wonderd about chris and moose
22:34 tehdark45 on resonance*
22:34 DruidicRifleman they dated once i think
22:34 Guest38731 if i build the circuit ti resonate at 120hz will it work still or do i need to work on a different frequency?
22:35 Guest38731 sorry if i mislead you.
22:35 BitViper i would expect it to depend on the coil itself
22:35 Guest38731 what do you mean?
22:35 tehdark45 Guest38731, you might wana chose a  name then register it
22:36 confused1987 BitViper: i don't know....
22:36 BitViper ugh, brain freeze. working on a maragaita O_o
22:36 Guest38731 ok
22:36 confused1987 eadthem: no way  in hell would boden and moose date
22:36 wannabe1987 i'm not confused anymore
22:36 tehdark45 wb wannabe1987
22:36 wannabe1987 thx
22:36 tehdark45 also you will always be confused
22:36 wannabe1987 no, i was sorely confused by Cprossu
22:37 Cprossu it happens
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22:37 Cprossu my bad
22:37 ManhuntFTW alright i changed my name
22:37 wannabe1987 don't worry about it Cprossu
22:37 tehdark45 it's ok, when you live in the desert you dont tend to make alot of sense :P
22:38 ManhuntFTW but the resonant frequency formula can i pick a frequency i want to work on and build a coil off that?
22:38 SparkyProjects ManhuntFTW: an example Tabletop tesla i built runs at about 240Khz, it doesn't depend on mains frequency, but the tuning of the coil,
22:39 SparkyProjects Generally the design mailly dictates the frequency, unless you are building an electronicc one
22:39 ManhuntFTW how did you get the primary coil to that frequency? did you use a rotary spark gap?
22:40 SparkyProjects Nope, just a static gap
22:40 SparkyProjects As the voltage builds it breaks across the gap.
22:41 ManhuntFTW im guessing you adjusted it after that to get bigger sparks. how do you know the frequency of the secondary? did you use an oscilliscope?
22:41 Cprossu yay! we got servers in
22:41 Cprossu I can see them lol
22:41 BitViper ut oh, the world is doomed now
22:42 SparkyProjects Nope, once i worked out the specs, it was a case of tuning for longest arc
22:43 ManhuntFTW pardon me for all the question but im trying to achieve very good resonance but i dont know where to start with the calculations. or what to do.
22:43 SparkyProjects Lets take this to PM, i'll go through it with you
22:44 ManhuntFTW thanks, how do i go to PM?
22:45 wannabe1987 did you know?  power cord for my netbook is less than $10!
22:46 Cprossu sweet.
22:47 wannabe1987 yeah.  and i got a paycheck today....;D
22:47 wannabe1987 i gotta see if moms gonna do an amazon order sometime soon or if i should order it myself
22:47 wannabe1987 :D*
22:47 BitViper those are always nice to get
22:49 wannabe1987 mhm
22:49 wannabe1987 and then Monkeh can take apart the old one when he gets here
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22:54 Cprossu wow that fucking took forever
22:54 Cprossu flag finally shipped
22:54 Cprossu yay it arrived too apparently
22:54 kamelbulle what flag did you send?
22:55 wannabe1987 az, i assume
22:55 rowan138 postal services can be slow sometimes, just take the uk royal mail for example, a package took 6 months to reach jme!!
22:55 Cprossu took me a while to find one that was actually made in the usa though lol wannabe1987
22:55 wannabe1987 lol
22:55 wannabe1987 i found out my county/town doesn't have a flag, so now i'm wondering if kent county/GR has a flag, as someone gave a MI flag already
22:56 Cprossu 2 flags actually were given of mi, one cartooney and one that looks normal
22:56 wannabe1987 .define pneumatic
22:56 Bot-Mobile pneumatic — noun: 1. (Gnosticism) In gnostic theologian Valentinus' triadic grouping of man the highest type; a person focused on spiritual reality (the other two being hylic and psychic) — adjective: 1. Of or relating to air or other gases, 2. Of or relating to pneumatics
22:56 wannabe1987 doesn't help!
22:59 rowan138 isnt much on livestream atm
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23:01 Toastdude .seen wannabe1987
23:01 Bot-Mobile toastdude: I have the following messages for you:
23:01 Bot-Mobile At 21:10Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell toastdude to PM me when he gets on
23:01 Bot-Mobile Toastdude: I last saw wannabe1987 0.08 hours ago at 2012-01-06 22:56:36 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 23:01:29 UTC
23:02 wannabe1987 well, now i know what it takes to get you here...
23:13 roadran422 Can somone spread the word on this for me, it's a little thing I want to have more readers on....
23:14 Monkeh wannabe1987: If I get there
23:14 wannabe1987 you'll get there.  in the next 5 years or so :P
23:14 Seroster I got a bucket of polyvinyl chloride!
23:15 roadran422 If anyone can help me somehow spread the word, quizilla.teennick.com/user/LiveThinkRepeat/ <that's the link...
23:15 wannabe1987 you fail at links
23:15 roadran422 Ok... Then...
23:15 wannabe1987 http://<link here>
23:15 wannabe1987 i can't click it if theres not http://
23:15 roadran422 http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/LiveThinkRepeat/
23:16 Bot-Mobile Title: LiveThinkRepeat's Profile on Quizilla
23:16 wannabe1987 win!
23:17 wannabe1987 stories!
23:17 wannabe1987 will add blog to my read list....idk tho about the set up....i woulda done blogger or wordpress :P
23:17 roadran422 Wimpy ones.... But i'm no writer...
23:17 roadran422 Thanks wannabe1987 but I just post stories, I don't design and stuff....
23:17 wannabe1987 they're more like paragraphs....
23:17 wannabe1987 i don't design either....
23:17 wannabe1987 i post recipes.
23:18 roadran422 It's a relefction of my life xD
23:18 wannabe1987 reminds me...i should blog
23:18 roadran422 Lol
23:18 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&amp;v=amRU73jHeWQ&amp;NR=1
23:18 Bot-Mobile Title: 2HP Electric Motor Driven Smart Drive HV Generator - YouTube
23:18 Cprossu yay!
23:18 Cprossu it does make a wicked cool sound
23:19 wannabe1987 i made up recipe the other day (weds?) and now it needs to be blogged
23:19 roadran422 Lol, what's your blog?
23:20 electricguy Twitter! XD http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393699_274928949233492_216065081786546_771954_1240147951_n.jpg
23:20 roadran422 xD ^
23:20 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/
23:20 wannabe1987 lol
23:20 Bot-Mobile Title: Phood in your face
23:20 roadran422 THanks lol
23:21 wannabe1987 thanks Bot-Mobile
23:21 Bot-Mobile Happy to help, wannabe1987
23:21 wannabe1987 Bot-Mobile, how is your cousin, botsteve?
23:21 roadran422 Lol
23:22 wannabe1987 awww
23:22 wannabe1987 stupid bot isn't AI
23:23 roadran422 xD
23:24 roadran422 Looks so good! http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/12/bacon-cheddar-bread.html
23:24 Bot-Mobile Title: Phood in your face: Bacon Cheddar Bread
23:24 wannabe1987 it was amazing
23:24 wannabe1987 if i had refrig biscuits i'd make more
23:25 Seroster Ha
23:25 roadran422 Lol
23:29 iSasha Its so ironic how I know like almost everyone over at TGG, you know, a hackerspace which is an ocean away, but I'm too afraid to join the local one :P
23:30 roadran422 To everyone who wonders what might happen if the Captain's Blog or Tgg channel was shutdown will there be a backup. Yes there is, "There are two copies, stored in seperate places, of every second of video we have ever shot, even the blogs." Chris him self.
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23:31 iSasha ^ the only reason I would expect the channel to be shut down is if something happens other then YT loosing the videos :P
23:31 Seroster iSasha, Fuck it dude, suck it up and join
23:31 Seroster Worst case scenario they hate you and throw you out
23:31 roadran422 xD
23:31 roadran422 Seroster, don't harrrass people.
23:31 sndwrx Why should the the channels ever be shut down?
23:32 roadran422 Idk....
23:32 iSasha Thanks Seroster for giving me a ton of confidence!
23:32 Seroster Seriously, why not?
23:32 Seroster It's like not having the balls to ask a girl out, worst case scenario she will say "No, go fuck yourself"
23:33 Seroster In wich case you are none worse off than you were before you asked
23:33 iSasha Idk... I can't figure out which language they speak. I really don't want to just come and say 'Hello' when I should have said something else.
23:33 iSasha And it will be really akward for me, seeing as I'm 16, and they're all probs like 20-30 yrs old
23:33 sndwrx I'm confused.
23:33 Seroster So?
23:34 Seroster Better to come to people 4 years older than to people 4 years younger.
23:34 iSasha Haha, there is actually a funny story related to that :P
23:34 Seroster As for language, aint they got a website or irc or even HAM?
23:34 wannabe1987 sndwrx: its easy to get confused here
23:35 sndwrx wannabe1987: So far, not really.  :P
23:35 iSasha HAM? You mean that radio thingy for which like 5 people have the right to use in my country?
23:35 wannabe1987 lol ok.  i was confused1987 earlier because i was *that* confused :P
23:35 wannabe1987 maybe i should pay full attn to irc? :P
23:35 electricguy bedtime for me now. night all :)
23:35 wannabe1987 night electricguy
23:36 roadran422 Night
23:37 iSasha Yeah same. I should kinda sleep instead of stare at a computer poontlessly
23:37 iSasha *pointlessly
23:38 wannabe1987 lol
23:42 PacketHumper joined #thegeekgroup
23:43 wannabe1987 PacketHumper!
23:44 PacketHumper hi
23:44 PacketHumper i can't get into the #tgg:nsfw room anymore
23:44 PacketHumper says it's invite only
23:44 PacketHumper someone set the +i flag
23:45 masterofmonks That's because you are not special.
23:45 wannabe1987 ...odd
23:45 wannabe1987 i'm special then
23:45 wannabe1987 .food
23:45 wannabe1987 here you go wannabe1987, i got you food!
23:45 wannabe1987 thanks Bot-Mobile!
23:45 Bot-Mobile No problem, wannabe1987
23:46 PacketHumper rofl
23:46 roadran422 xD
23:46 wannabe1987 i'm hungry.
23:46 wannabe1987 o!  i could order out....hmmmm
23:46 wannabe1987 (i got paid)
23:46 PacketHumper yah.... i can't get in.
23:46 wannabe1987 or i could get out and eat food
23:47 PacketHumper Says cannot join channel - you must be invited.
23:47 wannabe1987 or...i could make food
23:47 masterofmonks Which apparently you are not?
23:47 PacketHumper correct
23:48 PacketHumper chanserv won't show me any flags for that room.
23:48 masterofmonks ...
23:48 PacketHumper i can't see if i've been banned or if i've had any flags set
23:49 PacketHumper interesting way of making someone feel unwanted.
23:49 Seroster Try now PacketHumper
23:53 wannabe1987 try it

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