Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-01-19

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00:00 david____ Then we went on a road trip to WA, OR, and CA to visit friends of mine...  All from MI.
00:01 Ponko time for a bath
00:01 ^Prophet^ *throws Ponko into a pool*
00:06 MoxieMike not in this weather
00:07 yNos trying to figure out which firefox to download gor this thinger
00:07 Ponko tbh i am DUI right now
00:07 Ponko i HAVE gone into a pool at 10C
00:07 Ponko but then again
00:07 Ponko i was sober
00:08 david____ I've taken a chainsaw to the ice just to go for a swim...
00:08 david____ <-- Was not sober...
00:08 Ponko and that was Tunisia 30+ heat i had to do that
00:08 david____ Whiskey is your friend when polar bear swimming.
00:08 MoxieMike ponco, it's not 10*C
00:08 Ponko lol
00:09 Ponko the swimming pool water was
00:09 Ponko for a pool that's cold
00:10 MoxieMike where i am it's -6*C
00:10 MoxieMike the forecast for tonight is -13*C
00:10 david____ 66F here...  The sad part is, after living here 3-4 years, that feels cold. lol
00:12 ^Prophet^ i have to go eat
00:12 ^Prophet^ ill be back soon
00:12 david____ have a good one.
00:12 ^Prophet^ ty
00:18 injektion I'm turning into yuppie
00:19 injektion into a*
00:19 david____ That's awful...  Is there a cure?
00:19 david____ lol
00:20 MoxieMike once you get a little older you won't be a yuppie anymore
00:21 injektion I drive what was considered a yuppie car in the 1980s
00:22 injektion I enjoy fine wine, classical music, art, etc.
00:22 roadran422 Classical music :)!
00:22 injektion I love design and that's probably why I love Apple products
00:22 yNos injektion: a wiser man than i once said if you sell out before you are 25, you are likely a douche. if you dont by the time you are 35, you're an idiot.
00:22 roadran422 The design of what? The os?
00:23 david____ Yeah, Classical Music!!!  Like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, right?
00:23 roadran422 ...
00:23 roadran422 Not for me
00:23 yNos this ancient versionof safari is flaking out..
00:23 masterofmonks roadran422: Carl Orf?
00:23 roadran422 botsteve: tell wannabe-zz WHO WON! :)
00:24 BotSteve roadran422: I'll pass that on when wannabe-zz is around.
00:24 roadran422 masterofmonks: ?
00:24 masterofmonks roadran422: you like classical?
00:24 injektion yNos: Maybe I am a douche
00:24 yNos :P
00:24 david____ lol
00:24 roadran422 I think the music I listen to could be considered classical
00:24 david____ Maybe I'm an idiot...  Gotta few years left to figure it out I guess.
00:24 injektion How I drive in my 25 year old BMW 5 series wouldn't be considered douchey
00:25 yNos whats the difference between a BMW and a porcupine?
00:25 Toastdude masterofmonks: Carl Orf composed 'O Fortuna, didn't he?
00:25 injektion The pricks are on the inside
00:25 yNos a porcupine has the pricks on the outside!
00:25 david____ Alot of hippies in the Santa Cruz, CA area drive BMWs from that era.  They're abundant there and cheap.
00:25 yNos really?
00:26 david____ yeah
00:26 masterofmonks Toastdude: Correct, or Carmin Burana which is where O Fortuna comes from.
00:26 david____ the ones that down have VWs or old Volvos
00:26 injektion I let the slow people in their japanese and korean beige lousy crap boxes in front of me and don't complain when they do 30 under the speed limit
00:26 Toastdude Yeah, couldn't think of the name.
00:26 yNos the joke is actually supposed to be porche.. i was just jibbing injektion
00:27 david____ <-- Likes Frederick Chopin
00:27 roadran422 ...
00:27 yNos injektion: i wouldnt mind linig up my suby forrester..
00:27 injektion You lack torque
00:27 yNos lineing.? still doesntlook right.
00:27 yNos time to  refill my cup
00:27 david____ lining
00:27 yNos thanks
00:27 Toastdude <-- likes Dvorak (not the keyboard layout.)
00:28 injektion With the new cams my BMW makes a lot more torque than it once used to
00:28 yNos oh, i thought we were talking stock..
00:28 david____ I've got a 3500-4000 lb car that came from the factory with ~150hp
00:28 david____ lol
00:28 masterofmonks roadran422: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEllLECo4OM
00:28 BotSteve Title: Carl Orff: Carmina Burana - YouTube
00:28 yNos i can grab my VW beetle/wrx hybrid and make some fun :P
00:29 yNos 300ish hp in an ~800lb body
00:29 injektion yNos: Does your subaru have a timing belt?
00:29 yNos yes.
00:29 MoxieMike yes they do
00:29 injektion Do you like getting raped to have it replaced?
00:29 Toastdude We played Carmina Burana for band camp, without the choir
00:29 yNos umm.. it is $35ish from the local dealership
00:29 david____ I could still beat it in a race though...  A little sideswipe at the starting line and I'd be the only one to make it to the finish...  hehe.
00:30 roadran422 masterofmonks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYVH_kZkOk
00:30 BotSteve Title: Appalachian Spring - Aaron Copland LIVE - YouTube
00:30 roadran422 masterofmonks: Uh.... Weird....
00:30 injektion yNos: There is no way that includes labor
00:30 SparkyProjects Toastdude and masterofmonks, this from Weki
00:30 SparkyProjects "O Fortuna is a medieval Latin poem written in the early thirteenth century. It is part of the collection known as the Carmina Burana. It is alament on the fate and Fortuna, the goddess of Roman mythologypersonifying luck.
00:30 SparkyProjects In 1935-1936, O Fortuna was set to music by German composer Carl Orff's cantata Carmina Burana"
00:30 masterofmonks roadran422: Weird?
00:30 MoxieMike depends on what they do
00:30 yNos labor.. take off water pump..
00:30 david____ Labor is free if you have the tools...
00:30 yNos and fan
00:30 david____ lol
00:30 masterofmonks SparkyProjects: Yes.
00:31 roadran422 masterofmonks: I don't really like it. I hear people yelling ish..... Also, I don't have an hour spared...
00:31 injektion I've watched people struggle with timing belts and it's not worth taking off the fan, radiator, etc.
00:31 MoxieMike in some dealerships they'll replace the water pump as well as the timing belt
00:31 yNos oh.. ant take off the alternator..
00:31 yNos can do it in an hour.
00:31 david____ Fan and radiator are usually pretty easy...  I only work on RWD though.
00:31 yNos low slung boxers are easy to work on.
00:31 injektion <3 timing chains
00:31 masterofmonks roadran422: I thought you liked good music.
00:32 yNos awd ftw
00:32 roadran422 masterofmonks: Shut it :P
00:32 MoxieMike yNos: hell ya
00:32 roadran422 I don't like slow music, I like fast music. Sometimes slow.... Amazing grace, canon in d?
00:32 masterofmonks This is fast,.
00:32 yNos PACHABEL SUX!!
00:32 roadran422 Let me try
00:33 roadran422 yNos: :P
00:33 masterofmonks yNos: He's stalking me you know.
00:33 masterofmonks He's stalking you too.
00:33 yNos he follows the alpha males.
00:33 injektion lol
00:33 roadran422 If I heard a damn thing they said, and enjoyed this genre of music. I'd actually like it.
00:33 david____ I've never had an AWD.  4wd isn't bad to work on...  Those stupid sideways FWDs suck though.  I'll never own a car that requires an engine hoist to change the spark plugs.
00:34 yNos pachabel sucks if you play anything not 1st cello/violin, 1st trumpet/frenchhorn/flute
00:34 masterofmonks roadran422: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgaL1MB8EjM
00:34 BotSteve Title: Iron Maiden Brave new World(studio version) - YouTube
00:35 MoxieMike what car needs an engine hoist to change the spark plugs?
00:35 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZU2DZoD9w
00:35 BotSteve Title: Caspa - Wheres my money - YouTube
00:35 roadran422 ....
00:36 yNos MoxieMike: any cadillac.
00:36 roadran422 masterofmonks: I died.
00:36 yNos any post-95 ish cadillac
00:36 MoxieMike that explains why i haven't been digging in that engine
00:36 david____ I've tried to do a tune-up on a friends FWD, don't remember what model/year, but you couldn't get to the back bank without tilting the motor forward on the dogbone mounts.
00:36 masterofmonks roadran422: You have my condolences.
00:36 yNos there are a lot of cars like that
00:36 masterofmonks You are a zombie now?
00:36 david____ Idiotic design.
00:36 masterofmonks Will you attend your own funeral?
00:37 roadran422 :P
00:37 MoxieMike i've been up to my armpits in my v6 camry's engine bay
00:37 roadran422 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYVH_kZkOk
00:37 BotSteve Title: Appalachian Spring - Aaron Copland LIVE - YouTube
00:37 MoxieMike changing the back set of plugs
00:37 yNos transverse mount engines are ok.. for 4 cyls.. 6cyl is design specific, 8cy transversemount is full of *RAGE*
00:37 injektion lol
00:38 Toastdude http://vimeo.com/35248991 :P
00:38 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group is awesome! on Vimeo
00:38 david____ I like working on my bigass lincoln...  Need to do much work, and you just yank the stabilizer bar, fan, and radiator and stand right in the engine bay.
00:38 david____ easy on the back that way.
00:38 yNos heading out for a bit
00:38 yNos later all
00:38 * yNos waves
00:38 david____ peace out
00:39 MoxieMike i just changed my alternator yesterday
00:39 masterofmonks roadran422: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2aIVKp1OY
00:39 SparkyProjects I used to like my Triumph Herald, open the bonnet (hood) and you could sit on the wheels to work on the engine :P
00:39 BotSteve Title: Apocalyptica "Hall of The Mountain King" (official full length live video) - YouTube
00:39 david____ lol, I could do that on the Lincoln if I pulled the inner fender.
00:40 * Hackbat is excited
00:40 Hackbat I'm bidding on a sliderule and I'm winning
00:40 SparkyProjects Good thing about the Herald is the fenders were attached to the hood, all of it tipped forward
00:40 david____ I've known people that have cut a hole in their inner fender and riveted in a mudflap so they could just reach through the wheelwell to pull an oil filter more easily.
00:40 david____ Oh, that's cool.
00:41 david____ I have a sliderule...  But no instructions and I can't remember how to use it...  lol
00:42 SparkyProjects david____: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTPlWsNDY1M old vid, but look at 0:35
00:42 BotSteve Title: Triumph Herald - Australian TV commercial - YouTube
00:42 david____ Ahh...  Looked up the Herald.  I've seen a few of those over the years.  Didn't realize it was a triumph though.
00:43 injektion James May used one during one of TG's challenges
00:44 david____ that video won't load for some reason.
00:44 Cprossu I love TG challenges
00:44 * Hackbat knows how to use them
00:45 Hackbat I just don't have one @_@
00:45 Hackbat woo 20 minutes laft
00:45 SparkyProjects david____: try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1
00:45 BotSteve Title: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
00:45 Hackbat *left
00:46 SparkyProjects oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=e-oK1jRgRU8
00:46 BotSteve Title: My 1962 Triumph Herald 1200 - YouTube
00:46 injektion SparkyProjects: I want a Jensen
00:47 injektion Interceptor
00:47 tonsofpcs transformer?
00:47 ^Prophet^ back
00:48 SparkyProjects I like practical cars, after owning about 5 heralds, i owned 4 Sherpa vans and minibuses, now i own a Range Rover Discovery V8 3.9i petrol :P
00:50 injektion I don't like practical or average cars >_<
00:50 roadran422 masterofmonks: let me check it out
00:50 david____ Neat.  It looks like one of the easiest cars to work on I've ever seen.
00:50 david____ That toy motor would need an upgrade though.
00:51 injektion lol
00:51 roadran422 Da fuck?
00:52 roadran422 masterofmonks: Did you even check the link I sent you...
00:52 masterofmonks I did.
00:52 david____ I like cars I can fix myself and that have a decent amount of room...  Lacking space for my 6'2", it'd better have enough power to make up for it.
00:52 injektion SparkyProjects: Your V8 is the Rover V8 right?
00:52 roadran422 Ok...
00:52 SparkyProjects yep
00:53 injektion What a great engine
00:54 SparkyProjects david____: The 1200 was pretty nippy, i had mainly the 1300 version, the engine was high compression, you could actually use the engine to slow down, not like modern cars
00:54 ^Prophet^ best engine evar = one that works for you
00:55 david____ best engine ever = one that works for you OR anyone else, ALWAYS...  lol
00:56 ^Prophet^ truee
00:56 roadran422 ████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████ <---- This message has been blocked by the dumb mother f'ers
00:56 david____ Yeah, I'll bet in a light little car like that it would be, looks smaller than hell though.
00:56 Cprossu best engine ever = the one you can still get parts for 10 years after the model
00:56 david____ lol
00:56 david____ that too.
00:56 Cprossu that being said I am a big fan of the Chrysler Slant 6
00:57 Cprossu weird as hell and bulletproof.
00:57 ^Prophet^ what did you say roadran?
00:57 david____ Mine's 25+ years old and I can still get parts.  Of course the 302 had about a 40-50 year production life...
00:57 Cprossu and the smallblock 350 chevy similar
00:57 roadran422 ^Prophet^: If you don't get the joke. Wow.
00:57 ^Prophet^ i know
00:57 ^Prophet^ i doo
00:57 ^Prophet^ do*
00:57 roadran422 lol
00:58 Cprossu 302's a nice solid engine though...
00:58 roadran422 You know you do what?
00:58 Cprossu the vac controls everyone used in the late 70's up to the late 80's not so much
00:58 david____ I'm a fan of the Straight 6 they made.  Drove one for a job with 300,000 miles on it, mostly short trips.  Ran fine except it hated it when the temp was more than a few degrees below 0F
00:59 Cprossu batman's stuck is one of those engines
00:59 ^Prophet^ Vac = Valve Anti-Cheat?
00:59 SparkyProjects Cprossu, a lot of the British Leyland cars used the same engine on newer models, or at least the parts that needed replacing
00:59 SparkyProjects The Herald engine was used in the Triumph Spitfire and Stag, the Spitfire was a sports version of the Herald
00:59 Cprossu vacuum
00:59 Cprossu as in stuff that sucks
00:59 Cprossu (hahaha)
00:59 ^Prophet^ my girlfriend?
01:00 david____ Yeah, good old windshield wipers that change speeds when you let off the gas, etc...
01:00 Cprossu not unless your girlfriend likes putting 'exhaust' back into your intake
01:00 david____ lol
01:00 ^Prophet^ lawl
01:00 Cprossu hey yNos I made a funny, ha ha.
01:01 ^Prophet^ :smacks
01:01 ^Prophet^ aw TITS
01:01 Cprossu but yeah
01:01 Cprossu I think the strangest thing ford did
01:01 ^Prophet^ that was supposed to auto command...
01:02 Cprossu was run winshield wipers on power steering....
01:02 david____ Oh I forgot all about that.  I don't think I've ever driven a car with those, but I remember learning about it in Auto Tech.
01:02 Cprossu I did, it was a leaking mess
01:03 david____ I hate P/S leaks...
01:03 ^Prophet^ lawl
01:03 Cprossu In fact, most of the older fords I see around here
01:03 Cprossu have power steering systems that are leaking messes
01:03 ^Prophet^ Cprossu: so was my girlfriend xDDD
01:03 david____ Only leak I hate more is brake fluid
01:03 Cprossu engine oil.
01:03 david____ Mine was awful when I got it...  Had to replace pretty much the entire system.
01:03 david____ Oil leaks are easier to fix...  but hell to find.
01:04 SparkyProjects They say a Land Rover that doesn't leak a bit of oil is not right :P
01:04 david____ w/o a black light and dye anyway.
01:04 SparkyProjects Leaking oil = chassis that doesn't rust :P
01:04 david____ not in MI...
01:05 david____ Salt on the roads makes sure of that.
01:05 SparkyProjects We get salted roads here too
01:06 david____ I think I just figured out the rest of my car's problem...  If the intake is leaking vacuum, how likely is it that it's burning some water in the cylinder near the vac leak?  I have all external leaks fixed, but it's still a little low on water now and then.
01:06 david____ Need to pull the plugs and look.
01:06 Cprossu we'd have to look at it.
01:07 Cprossu leaking water in through the intake has it's own issues
01:07 Cprossu but its' a better prognosis than a head gasket
01:07 david____ I can't believe I didn't think of that sooner.  Part of the reason I haven't fixed it yet, besides money/time when the car isn't needed...  Is that I wasn't sure that was the only problem.
01:07 david____ I've checked compression and it's good...  So, fingers crossed, head gasket should be OK.
01:09 Cprossu you didn't check crossflow though
01:09 * SparkyProjects remembers changing a head gasket on a Datsun Cherry on a caravan holiday site,, other campers looked on astounded :D
01:09 david____ Oooh...  Um, nope.  Don't think I ever have.  I'd have to lookup how.
01:10 david____ Didn't do a leakdown test either actually.
01:10 david____ lol
01:10 david____ Only head gasket I've done was on a jeep cherokee 4-banger...  was actually a cracked aluminum head though...  Aluminum heads/blocks are retarded.
01:11 Cprossu leakdown would tell us
01:11 david____ If you can only overheat the car once before it's f'd, it's worthless.
01:11 Cprossu I can live with aluminum heads/cast iron block
01:11 david____ That's better than an Aluminum block, but I'd rather have iron for both.
01:12 Cprossu david____ know what they did for the vega engine?
01:12 Cprossu worst idea ever.
01:12 david____ I ended up driving it until it died, packing snow around the heads to cool it enough to get it home and selling it for the same price I bought it for...  lol
01:12 david____ Nope.
01:12 Cprossu Aluminum block............
01:13 Cprossu and guess what kinda head.
01:13 MoxieMike <inappropriate comment redacted>
01:13 david____ I don't want to...  If I'm right, it's awful...  If I'm wrong, I'll sound crazy...
01:13 Cprossu say it
01:14 david____ Wasn't it some sort of Plastic or something idiotic like that.
01:14 Cprossu no it wasn't
01:14 david____ Mag?
01:14 david____ lol
01:14 Cprossu it was something that took away all the benefits of having an aluminum block
01:14 david____ I have no idea.
01:14 MoxieMike cast iron?
01:14 Cprossu yep.
01:14 Cprossu Aluminum block, cast iron head
01:15 david____ Retarded.
01:15 Cprossu and that's why you don't see any on the road anymore
01:15 MoxieMike yar
01:15 Cprossu except those that have had v8's wedged in 'em
01:15 david____ Not the only reason...  Craptastically ugly cars to begin with...
01:15 Cprossu you see AMC Pacer's all the time
01:16 Cprossu but no vega's
01:16 david____ You ever had a car with Magnesium Bottoms to the Transfer case or Tranny pan?
01:16 Cprossu gotta be careful with those
01:16 Cprossu seen lots of mag parts on motorcycles though
01:16 Cprossu and I have a cast(!) mag case that's for a sony recorder
01:16 david____ My dad was a fireman, and any kind of car fire was a complete bitch to put out.  They'd put it out over and over and just stand by waiting for it to light back up.
01:17 Cprossu yeah that's true
01:17 Cprossu btw
01:17 Cprossu when you are at the junkyard you know why to not touch those 'burned' cars right?
01:18 david____ nope, but I know not to ever, ever, ever, try to lift a Lincoln with the bumper jack with only 2 feet behind the car to stand...  Especially a MI car...
01:18 Cprossu think of what the refrigerant breaks down to in that kind of heat ^_^
01:18 Cprossu ROFL
01:18 david____ oh...
01:19 david____ I don't remember, but I know it's not good stuff.
01:19 Cprossu basically the worst thing you could get on yourself that isn't radioactive
01:19 Cprossu Hydrofloric acid
01:19 david____ Ahhh...
01:19 david____ The stuff you use to dispose of bodies...
01:19 david____ lol
01:19 david____ <-- has seen too much Breaking Bad.
01:20 david____ Thank you though...  That's good to knkow.
01:20 david____ know^
01:21 masterofmonks Dunno, I have Seen some much nastier things than Hydrofluoric acid, I just like Hydrofluoric acid less than most other things.
01:22 david____ Ever seen someone clean out a brake drum with compressed air?
01:22 Cprossu I don't like it because if untreated it has the side effect of ripping your flesh off
01:22 Cprossu I've stopped people
01:22 Cprossu wet the damn thing down
01:22 Cprossu yay asbestos!
01:23 masterofmonks Parathion.
01:23 david____ I almost knocked a guy out with a breaker bar for trying to do it once...  Brake cleaner only for that nasty shit.
01:24 david____ The bad part is he should've known better.  It was in Auto Tech, and that's the absolute first thing our teacher taught us about brakes and clutches.
01:27 david____ back in awhile.  The woman just got home.
01:33 CaptainNiobe *yawns* morning people...
01:38 RageRiot goodnight
01:38 * RageRiot yawns "bed time" :P
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01:39 egrsteve hello
01:40 * egrsteve stepped into a dead chat
01:40 egrsteve .topic
01:40 egrsteve .cookie
01:40 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a sugar cookie!
01:41 egrsteve ok, chat is just dead, not server issues
01:42 david____ lol...  I'll be back in a little bit, glancing over now and then, but not really paying attention at the moment...
01:42 roadran422 NO!
01:42 roadran422 masterofmonks: You shall be bannashed for saying a fluorine compound!
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01:43 dbshortwave http://youtu.be/NzS5rSvZXe8
01:43 BotSteve Title: SOPA & PIPA HORROR STORY Exposed in the UK Richard O'Dwyer by Mike Mozart - YouTube
01:45 ^Prophet^ Sopa will Fail dont worry
01:46 roadran422 lets hope.
01:46 dbshortwave i hear ya  but its aimed at the UK too
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01:51 * Hackbat just got a slide rule for 5 dollars
01:51 CaptainNiobe roadran422, did masterofmonks not say something about NOT talking about flourine?
01:51 Hackbat Pickett 121
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01:54 roadran422 CaptainNiobe: Yes!
01:54 roadran422 And he said it himself!
01:54 masterofmonks So did Cprossu but you don't see me muting him do you?
01:54 CaptainNiobe so he's just told me. *feels dumb*
01:55 roadran422 lol
01:55 roadran422 :P
01:56 * CaptainNiobe hides from roadran422's laughter
01:56 CaptainNiobe lol
01:56 roadran422 :(
01:56 CaptainNiobe sorry, hy.
01:56 Lwq-School HY DEIP
01:56 Lwq-School or is it diep
01:56 Toastdude LEE
01:57 Lwq-School TOASTDREW
01:57 CaptainNiobe hey lee, hi, toastie
01:57 Toastdude NIOBE
01:57 Toastdude Hi!
01:57 CaptainNiobe :)
01:57 Lwq-School NYOBE
01:57 roadran422 wow lee
01:57 roadran422 It's Hy Diep
01:57 CaptainNiobe "nyobe" lol
01:58 Lwq-School why thats what it sounds like
01:58 Lwq-School to me atleast
01:58 Lwq-School ah sorry hy, coulnt remember
01:58 Lwq-School .seen wannabe1987
01:58 BotSteve Lwq-School: I last saw wannabe1987 4.92 hours ago at 2012-01-18 21:03:13 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:58:27 UTC
01:58 Lwq-School damnit
01:59 CaptainNiobe lee, you aren't still at school at 9pm, are you? :P
01:59 Lwq-School .seen bitchmonster
01:59 BotSteve Lwq-School: I last saw nick:bitchmonster 3959.29 hours ago at 2011-08-07 02:41:33 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:59:04 UTC
01:59 Lwq-School whoops
01:59 roadran422 ...
01:59 roadran422 It's no prob
01:59 CaptainNiobe :P
01:59 roadran422 I just wonder were wannabe-zz is
01:59 CaptainNiobe i have no idea...
02:00 masterofmonks Given her nick.. Sleeping?
02:00 lwq1996 hy you should change your lastname to derp instead of diep :P
02:01 roadran422 :P
02:01 lwq1996 hi im hy, hy derp :P
02:01 roadran422 masterofmonks: Now? Doubt it
02:01 lwq1996 damn that would get anoying if you were at a meeting
02:01 CaptainNiobe sleeping since 4pm? only if she was super tired... lol...
02:01 lwq1996 i slept since what 5:30
02:01 roadran422 CaptainNiobe: Point exactly
02:02 masterofmonks Only five hours ago.
02:03 lwq1996 is it the week end yet?
02:03 masterofmonks lwq1996: I freaking wish.
02:03 masterofmonks I am working overtime.
02:03 lwq1996 overtime is always good, more money, but more stressful
02:04 masterofmonks Incorrect.
02:04 CaptainNiobe overtime atm is annoying, means a couple less hours each day to "spend together" properly... lol... sucks...
02:04 masterofmonks What is the point of more money if you don't have time to play with all of your nice toys?
02:05 dbshortwave this is why we cant have nice things
02:05 lwq1996 lol
02:05 lwq1996 well atleast boden cant have nice things
02:06 dbshortwave shit none of us can if these turd officals have it there way
02:06 CaptainNiobe sopa/pipa?
02:07 dbshortwave pretty much
02:07 dbshortwave only in ohio
02:07 dbshortwave http://www.fox8.com/news/petplace/wjw-dairy-farmer-spoils-cows-with-waterbeds-txt,0,2493141.story?%3F
02:07 BotSteve Title: Local Dairy Farmer Spoils Cows with Waterbeds - WJW
02:07 lwq1996 NO DONT TAKE MY PORN :(
02:08 lwq1996 right now, every 12-16 year old boy is stock piling porn on their computer
02:09 CaptainNiobe you included lee? lol
02:09 dbshortwave lol
02:09 lwq1996 not really
02:09 dbshortwave it passes im mailing my modem to obama
02:10 lwq1996 ive had enough of porn actually, just the same old stuff
02:10 masterofmonks lwq1996: You admit nothing, you deny everything, and are making coutner accusations?
02:10 masterofmonks counter*
02:10 CaptainNiobe lol
02:10 dbshortwave poke poke poke scream scream ahhhhhhh
02:10 * masterofmonks wonders when he was in :nsfw.
02:11 lwq1996 no seriously, you want to remote controle my computer?
02:11 Hackbat Jusst bought another slide rule
02:11 dbshortwave lol
02:11 lwq1996 i need to know how one of those works
02:11 masterofmonks lwq1996: it depends on the rule.
02:11 Hackbat I now have 2, a Pickett 121 and an Acu-math 500
02:12 masterofmonks Some work different than others.
02:12 Hackbat but they're a relative simliar concept
02:13 Hackbat The 121 doesn't have trig functions the Acu-math 500 does
02:14 Hackbat the acumath has a little rust on the screws but I can prolly clean that up
02:14 roadran422 back
02:16 roadran422 dbshortwave: What the hell?
02:16 roadran422 What did you poke.... Something I can't say on here or a screwdriver in to a electrical outlet?
02:18 Hackbat http://sliderulemuseum.com/Acumath/Acumath_500_Trig_MetalBraces.jpg
02:18 Hackbat Sexy
02:18 Toastdude triangle man, triangle man, triangle man hates particle man
02:18 * Monkeh|Lap pokes screwdrivers into electrical outlets all the time
02:18 roadran422 Toastdude: What?
02:18 Toastdude http://vimeo.com/35248991  Watch.
02:18 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group is awesome! on Vimeo
02:18 roadran422 Monkeh|Lap nice...
02:19 Monkeh|Lap roadran422: There's nothing inherently dangerous in doing so. Especially with suitable screwdrivers.
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02:20 dbshortwave wha?
02:20 roadran422 I have a idea! I can stick my tounge in to the ground socket and I can live!
02:20 roadran422 Toastdude: Is it suposed to lag?
02:20 Toastdude It didn't for me..
02:20 Monkeh|Lap roadran422: You can stick your tongue on 240V and live.
02:20 dbshortwave i forgot how to set pixel size in paint or am i parking up the wrong tree
02:20 dbshortwave barking*
02:21 roadran422 Monkeh|Lap: Thanks for the inspiration! ;)
02:21 * dbshortwave punches keyboard
02:21 roadran422 Toastdude: I'll download it and watch
02:21 roadran422 Who made it?
02:21 roadran422 dbshortwave: xD
02:21 Monkeh|Lap roadran422: I wouldn't recommend trying it, though..
02:21 roadran422 :0
02:21 roadran422 Now, no one call me! I'm going to finish portal!
02:21 Monkeh|Lap Odds are you'll get it wrong.
02:22 * Hackbat wonders who orci is
02:23 Druidic_Rifleman night geeks
02:23 Toastdude roadran422|porta: Hi.
02:23 Toastdude Night Druidic_Rifleman
02:32 dbshortwave "whoahhhhh momma"
02:34 * Hackbat has a Zippo and 2 sliderules
02:34 Hackbat my life is now complete
02:34 dbshortwave FIRE!
02:34 dbshortwave heh
02:34 david____ All this talk lately of sliderules so I finally years later (had the sliderule since I was in elementary school) found a manual for it.  Hell yeah!
02:35 david____ I love the internet...
02:35 david____ It never helped that the damn thing didn't have a model number on it.
02:35 Toastdude I am not a true geek.
02:35 david____ ?
02:36 Toastdude I don't have a slide rule, nor do I know how to use one..
02:37 dbshortwave dun matter ...
02:37 david____ I have had one that an engineer gave me when I was 10ish and just now found a manual...  I was shown how to use it at the time, but never had a manual and couldn't remember since they're all different.
02:37 david____ Does that make me "not a true geek" too?
02:38 Toastdude You have one..
02:38 lwq1996 im now afraid of humans and cats http://www.photoblip.com/pictures/17929/of-cats-and-men.html
02:38 BotSteve Title: Of Cats And Men
02:38 Toastdude I've never even seen one in my life. :P
02:38 Toastdude Not in person
02:38 david____ Yeah, but having one and not knowing how to use one is probably worse than not having one and not knowing how to use it.  lol
02:38 Toastdude lol, true..
02:39 david____ Especially since that was almost 2 decades ago...
02:39 david____ I had a 386 back then...  lol
02:40 dbshortwave just knowing the words 'Slide rule" makes you a geek dude
02:40 david____ Probably could've done trig faster on the slide rule than on the computer...  hehe
02:40 Toastdude lol
02:41 david____ probably right dbshortwave...  At least if you're under 60...
02:41 dbshortwave half way there
02:41 david____ 'bout the same for me.  This Aug, it'll be official.
02:42 Toastdude I'm only 13... A long way to go
02:42 tonsofpcs wow, I'm twice Toastdude's age
02:42 * tonsofpcs feels old
02:42 tonsofpcs I have a 286 now!
02:42 david____ Dude...  You're 13...?  In 2012...?  You're a HUGE GEEK for knowing what a slide rule is...!  lol
02:43 Toastdude I think a lot of people on here are older than 26...
02:43 * tonsofpcs has a slide rule at his desk at work
02:43 tonsofpcs and another one over >>>
02:43 david____ Yeah, but back then the 386 was decent...  and cost $150 used...  with a monochrome monitor...
02:43 * tonsofpcs used a slide rule in highschool and college math and science classes
02:43 lwq1996 lol
02:43 Toastdude Haha, I guess so... Maybe knowing a bit of python outweighs the lack of slide rule knowledge.
02:43 tonsofpcs picket pocket rule
02:43 david____ I had to dig through my desk drawers to find mine, but it's always nearby...  Just didn't know how to use it.
02:44 tonsofpcs idk what happened to it :(
02:44 dbshortwave i still have a 386
02:44 dbshortwave and a TI-82
02:44 dbshortwave with its bible
02:44 tonsofpcs there's a TI-83plus SE on my desk at work, about 1' from the slide rule
02:44 Toastdude Wonder how much a monochromator costs..
02:44 david____ I wish I still had my TI-8x (don't remember which one...  83 maybe?).
02:44 tonsofpcs how to sliderule:  http://www.antiquark.com/sliderule/sim/sr-calcs-by-example.html
02:44 BotSteve Title: Slide Rule Calculations By Example
02:45 tonsofpcs Toastdude: monochromator?
02:45 Hackbat david____, how old are you o.o?
02:45 Hackbat also http://sliderulemuseum.com/
02:45 BotSteve Title: International Slide Rule Museum
02:46 david____ Yeah, I finally found the book for mine.  You guys inspired me to try harder.  The problem was it's a Sterling Precision, but there were several different ones, and no model number...
02:46 tonsofpcs oh, theres like 50000 how to use a sliderule sites out there
02:46 tonsofpcs including some css-only implementations
02:46 david____ that's where I found my book
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02:46 Hackbat they're the go to resoruce when buying
02:46 david____ last time I tried to find it they didn't have it though.  That was a few years ago though.
02:47 AgCNO6 Divides light into selectable wavelegths. Basically a moving slit that lets different parts of the visible spectrum through
02:48 david____ Stupid trailer...  The electrical system in these things sucks...  My lights flicker Every SINGLE Time I print something on my laser printer...  errr....
02:48 Toastdude :/
02:48 david____ I'm surprised my computer doesn't crash considering it's not hooked up to the UPS right now...
02:49 dbshortwave heh
02:49 Toastdude Hey, only $1,700 for one! :P
02:49 dbshortwave they aint that much
02:49 dbshortwave depending where youre at
02:49 dbshortwave uk is diff
02:49 Toastdude Do you have an uninterruptable poop supply, david____ ?
02:49 david____ lol
02:49 david____ sometimes...  lol
02:49 Toastdude :P
02:50 david____ I hate interupting my poop...
02:50 Toastdude ....
02:50 lwq1996 i need to get a better client that doesnt slow down my computer
02:50 Hackbat xchat
02:50 dbshortwave best buy 2500VA geeksquad APC should be around $200.00 USD
02:50 Toastdude XChat 2
02:50 Hackbat what he said
02:50 Hackbat or pchat
02:50 Hackbat the lightweight portable version
02:51 lwq1996 toastdude do you hate this sopa thing?
02:51 david____ I have a 1500VA APC from goodwill ($12.99), but I need a battery...  It beeps at me all the time.  I think it's swearing at me, but censored.  Not sure though.
02:52 Monkeh|Lap david____: That's what we call small wire syndrome.
02:53 david____ Yeah...  Plus they probably are aluminum...  Cheap ass f'ing trailers...
02:53 Monkeh|Lap Actually I doubt they're aluminium
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02:53 lwq1996 ok thats very freaking creepy, theres a guy names Slee queen and lives in my area
02:53 david____ If it wasn't a rental I'd probably do something about it.
02:54 Monkeh|Lap Alu may be cheap but the disadvantages outweigh the advantages for small scale use.
02:54 david____ I don't know...  Aluminum has been used.  Although it'd be especially stupid in a trailer due to the flex when transporting them...  I'll check.  If I disappear...  I tripped a breaker...  lol
02:55 dbshortwave David_____ go to Lowes and buy a $24.00 battery
02:55 dbshortwave lol
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02:55 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
02:56 dbshortwave uh
02:56 dbshortwave youre all in trouble now
02:56 Cprossu I hate it when that happens
02:56 Hackbat Captain! Yall need to do the slide rule video :3
02:57 david____ I'm actually going to try and charge it with my car battery charger (it has 6v too) before I bother buying one.
02:57 Hackbat I've got a few coming to my house
02:57 dbshortwave i heard a Mutiny was being passed around
02:57 dbshortwave >.>
02:57 Monkeh|Lap david____: UPS with 6V batteries? That's rarely a good thing.
02:58 david____ And my wiring is Copper...  But...  They're those stupid "push the wire into the two little slots that cut the insulation and make a crappy contact" type of outlets...  Which would explain part of the problem.
02:58 dbshortwave i need to oder new ones for mine soon
02:58 david____ Um...  I think so...  Maybe two of them...  I haven't taken it apart in a while.
02:58 Monkeh|Lap david____: IDC connectors are excellent if properly used..
02:59 Monkeh|Lap david____: Your phone uses them. Any structured cabling system, too.
02:59 dbshortwave i feel better now
02:59 david____ Key word "IF"...  It's a f'ing trailer...  lol...  Nothing is proper in this thing.
03:00 Ponko what an interesting propostion
03:00 Ponko propositin*
03:01 david____ I trust them for a phone...  I'd rather have the good 'ole screw terminals for 120V, assuming the electrician knew what he/she was doing.
03:01 CaptainNiobe http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/a-16-year-old-girl-behind-wheel-in-nundah-tunnel-crash/story-fn7x8me2-1226248323801 oh, for fuck's sake! :-\
03:01 BotSteve Title: A 16-year-old girl behind wheel in Brisbane tunnel crash injuring seven | Herald Sun
03:02 Ponko and their insurance is CHEAPER
03:02 Ponko right
03:02 dbshortwave ohhhh yck -.-
03:02 Bitchmonster .seen bitchmonster
03:02 BotSteve Bitchmonster: I last saw Bitchmonster 0.00 hours ago at 2012-01-19 03:02:20 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:02:20 UTC
03:02 Ponko i do love the inbalance of equality between men and women
03:03 Katemonster lwq1996, i reset the clock for you.
03:03 ^Prophet^ oh my god...
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03:03 ^Prophet^ i was just watching sons of guns :D and kris is gonna get luckyyy
03:04 Ponko bounchica woun woun
03:05 * Hackbat is just sooooo hapy
03:05 Hackbat *happy
03:05 Ponko and after a decade the article CaptainNiobe left has opened
03:05 Hackbat I'm getting my geek ID, I've got a zippo, a tens unit, and two Slide rules
03:06 Toastdude lwq1996: Yes.
03:06 CaptainNiobe it's coming from an australian news paper, Ponko :P
03:06 Ponko well my laptop is still slow
03:06 Hackbat did i accidently ignore lwq1996 ?
03:07 Hackbat I don't see anything by him
03:08 Ponko well at times it's best to ignore him ;)
03:08 Ponko lol jk
03:08 dbshortwave good lord it smells like a civil war battle field around here
03:08 Katemonster lots of sulphur?
03:09 dbshortwave yep
03:09 Ponko dead
03:09 dbshortwave just dont light a match
03:09 Monkeh|Lap dbshortwave: Careful, could be demons.
03:09 dbshortwave thar be methane
03:09 david____ Ummm...  Is it strange that every time I work on live 120V I purposely zap myself and kind of like it?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap david____: .. Kinda strange and stupid, yes.
03:09 david____ lol
03:10 david____ It's great fun for freaking people out though.
03:10 dbshortwave o.0
03:10 dbshortwave ooooookaaaaayyyyy
03:11 Hackbat no law against letting people on the internet kill themselves
03:12 masterofmonks david____: That is the kind of stupidity that can get you killed.
03:12 david____ I absolutely hate getting zapped when I'm not expecting it...  But 120 doesn't really even hurt.  Just feels weird.
03:12 masterofmonks Or worse, banned.
03:12 david____ I don't run it through my heart.  Just the hand.
03:12 Monkeh|Lap david____: That's because it's AC, not because it's 120V.
03:12 david____ Seriously?
03:12 masterofmonks On which part?
03:12 Monkeh|Lap david____: I can assure you 120VDC will hurt.
03:12 david____ Oh...  Interesting.
03:13 Monkeh|Lap I can most certainly assure you 325VDC hurts. A lot.
03:13 masterofmonks I once took 330VDC, that hurt like a *BITCH*
03:13 david____ Yeah, it CAN...  Obviously not will standing in water or anything, and not making really good contact
03:13 * lwq1996 jumps on masterofmonks
03:13 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: I've taken it a few times. I guess I just don't learn about caps.
03:13 Ponko i'm going to refrainf from saying it
03:13 masterofmonks Monkeh: Camera?
03:14 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: No, old lighting SMPSU and a monitor PSU.
03:14 david____ My real dad was an EE and didn't mind it either, but hated 220 the few times he got zapped and has a nasty scar from a 440 line that jumped to his arm.
03:14 masterofmonks Morning lwq1996
03:14 lwq1996 morning monks :P
03:14 Ponko i once took an arrow to the knee......
03:14 david____ lucky to be alive from that one, from what I hear.
03:14 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: Shorted my thumb straight across a cap once. That was really, really painful.
03:14 david____ oww.
03:14 Monkeh|Lap david____: I've only had one experience with 240VAC, and I'm lucky to be alive after it.
03:15 Ponko i remember getting an electric shock turning my amiga off
03:15 Monkeh|Lap david____: 120VAC is perfectly capable of killing you.
03:15 masterofmonks Monkeh: those flash circuits have a 330VDC cap, and let me tell you that sucker will bite you if you aren't careful.
03:15 david____ The worst I've ever gotten was working in a breaker box (scared as hell of 220+) and had a static discharge that almost made me shit myself...  Thought I did kill myself.
03:15 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: Every PSU has a cap at around 330VDC over here :)
03:16 lwq1996 masterofmonks ive learned that from experience
03:16 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: I've been bitten a few times
03:16 masterofmonks I have ate 220VAC more than a few times, often from thing that should not have been energized.
03:16 david____ Yes, I know.
03:16 david____ But it's not the evil danger most people think it is.
03:16 dbshortwave try forgetting you have a top post battery and leaning over to change a plug wire on your car  then hving said + top post zap you in the nipple on a hot swamp ass producing day
03:16 Katemonster http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4007/iamahorribleperson.png
03:16 lwq1996 i treat everything as if its energized
03:16 Ponko masterofmonks: what is it that causes you to vibrate when your getting shocked
03:16 Monkeh|Lap david____: Neither is 220V the baby killer you seem to think it is.
03:17 masterofmonks Ponko: the alternation.
03:17 david____ lol...  I was just going to say that I'm more afraid of car wiring.
03:17 Ponko hmm
03:17 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Muscles are controlled by electrical impulses.
03:17 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: AC isn't called AC for nothing.
03:17 dbshortwave im goin to bed
03:18 david____ gn
03:18 Toastdude Night
03:18 masterofmonks Ponko: the current alternates direction usually 60 times a second.
03:18 david____ in the US anyway.
03:18 masterofmonks Which makes your muscles contract rapidly.
03:19 masterofmonks DC however you do not shake.
03:19 david____ You either grab or throw, right?
03:19 lwq1996 you may jerk but not shack
03:19 lwq1996 twss
03:19 lwq1996 :P
03:19 Hackbat http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/NW250AA%2523ABA
03:19 BotSteve Title: HP 15c Scientific Calculator | HP® Official Store
03:20 masterofmonks I hit 220VAC inside of a dryer I was working on, and about put my elbow through the case.
03:20 Hackbat pretty neat
03:20 lwq1996 lol
03:20 david____ We used to take TV transformers and hook them up to a AA battery and a microswitch and convince people to grab the wires then zap 'em...  In school...  Pretty sure you'd get arrested for that these days.
03:20 lwq1996 damn that must of bit real bad
03:20 david____ holy crap...
03:21 Ponko but masterofmonks should you get that kind of shock from an Amiga 3600 (or whatever it was) when you turn it OFF
03:21 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: No.
03:21 Ponko well i did :/
03:21 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Faulty hardware is not uncommon.
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Plug that into a modern circuit and you'll soon notice.
03:22 Ponko that's it though it was a PLASTIC case
03:22 david____ Ok, let's just pretend that I'm sane and have NEVER purposely grabbed 120...  K?
03:22 david____ lol
03:22 Hackbat too late
03:22 david____ lol
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: And the power switch is not plastic.
03:22 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Very much metal and very much carrying 240VAC
03:23 Ponko i believe on that one it was
03:23 lwq1996 masterofmonks what were you doing in a dryer?
03:23 david____ The only person I've ever known of that has done the same was my real dad...  lol...  must run in the family.
03:23 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Was it a soft switch or a big clicky one?
03:23 Ponko it was like a light switch
03:23 masterofmonks lwq1996: Checking voltage.
03:23 Ponko tbh it was like 1998ish
03:23 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Then as I said, it's a faulty switch.
03:23 Ponko i think
03:24 Ponko but it WAS plastic
03:24 lwq1996 i find that quite ironic monks
03:24 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Only the bit you're aware of
03:24 Ponko the button i remember was matte blackish plastic
03:25 Ponko and a GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from flipping it
03:25 Ponko after it felt great could of <message deleted diverted to TGG:NSFW>
03:25 Monkeh|Lap Ponko: Latching or rocker?
03:26 Ponko tbh i don't have an idea
03:26 Ponko pm?
03:26 Monkeh|Lap Don't need to ask me permission
03:27 Ponko I was asking you to pm me lol
03:27 Monkeh|Lap ..
03:27 Toastdude "Tips for success: Give a man a fire, and warm him for a day. Light a man on fire, and warm him for the rest of his life."
03:27 Ponko anyway
03:27 david____ lol
03:27 Monkeh|Lap Toastdude: :D
03:27 Ponko lol wow
03:28 Toastdude However long the rest of his life may be. :P
03:28 Ponko exactly
03:28 * Monkeh|Lap throws a few charged caps at masterofmonks and heads off to bed
03:29 * masterofmonks swats them back at Monkeh.
03:29 Ponko Monkeh|Lap: why am i picturing the cockpit sequence in Die Hard 2?
03:30 Ponko soo how bout them 49ers..... eh?.............
03:32 tonsofpcs egrsteve: the camera wall thing can be done with a 100x4 router and 3 TBCs
03:32 tonsofpcs well, cameras+3x4 router
03:32 Cprossu I wish we had a 100x4 router
03:32 tonsofpcs Cprossu: how many 20tens are there?
03:32 Cprossu 3
03:32 Cprossu 2 working(?)
03:32 tonsofpcs hmmm
03:33 tonsofpcs that gives 40 cameras...
03:33 Cprossu they are also in use
03:33 tonsofpcs ya :(
03:33 tonsofpcs it could be done with stacked relays
03:33 tonsofpcs but keeping 75 ohm throughout ... not easy
03:33 Ponko ok night folks have fun don't eat ALL the cake....
03:34 tonsofpcs and if the number of cameras can be made to be divisble by 3, you don't need a full routing matrix but 3 relatively large trees and one small one
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03:34 tonsofpcs (two relays in the small one)
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03:38 tonsofpcs you need three TBCs to make sure that you have a frame locked before switching to each one
03:40 tonsofpcs so you start on TBC A w/ input 1, TBC B has in 2, TBC C has in 3, you change from TBC A to TBC B at the first crossing and then flip the input to A to 4, then switch to C and flip input of B to 5, then switch to A and flip input of C to 6, repeat
03:40 Toastdude SPEED
03:40 Toastdude .seen speedrunnerG55
03:40 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw speed_ponyG55 140.19 hours ago at 2012-01-13 07:29:22 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:40:50 UTC
03:42 tonsofpcs Cprossu:  make sense?
03:46 david____ dinnertime, might bbl.
03:47 Cheezmo took a typing test today at the college for my pharmacy tech program... got 37 wpm passing the minimum 35 *so pro*
03:48 Cheezmo didn't help that the keyboard was worn and had loads of glare from the overhead light and I had to spell this funky foreign name a few times :P
03:48 egrsteve tons, can't you get away with 2 the same way, program & preview?
03:50 egrsteve not as nice but doable
03:52 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
03:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
03:52 BotSteve At 18 Jan 22:09Z, tehdark45 asked me to tell wannabe1987 that einball wants you to do the dishes
03:52 BotSteve At 18 Jan 22:10Z, einball asked me to tell wannabe1987 He is fucking freaking me out that guy -.-
03:52 Toastdude WANNABE!
03:52 Guest24120 what the fuck
03:53 Toastdude Didn't authenticate?
03:53 wannabe1987 well, yes, but it never makes me authenticate after i get off work
03:54 wannabe1987 o well
03:54 lwq1996 OH MY FUCKING GOD ITS A WANNABE,
03:55 * wannabe1987 doesn't fuck god
03:55 wannabe1987 but hi
03:55 tonsofpcs egrsteve: no
03:55 tonsofpcs egrsteve: not unless all the cameras are synced
03:55 lwq1996 -.- not what i ment by that wannabe
03:56 tonsofpcs you need to wait a full frame so that the output of the TBC is guaranteed to be in sync
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03:56 tonsofpcs if you're switching every frame you need a third
03:56 tonsofpcs if you're switching every-other frame, you could get away with two TBCs.
03:56 tonsofpcs see my forum post
03:56 wannabe1987 I GOT BIT AT WORK.  work bites
03:57 lwq1996 o.o see toast ive always told you, old people bite
03:57 Toastdude ....
03:57 lwq1996 :P
03:58 wannabe1987 only when you try to take out their dentures....
03:58 wannabe1987 ow
03:58 wannabe1987 she made marks!
03:58 wannabe1987 they're currently red atm
03:59 wannabe1987 o Toastdude, i'm on season 4 :D
03:59 Toastdude :D
03:59 wannabe1987 Ood
03:59 Toastdude The Planet of the Ood?
03:59 wannabe1987 mhm
04:02 wannabe1987 awwww
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04:08 lwq1996 ew, im watching lary the cable guy artificaly enceminate a cow
04:10 wannabe1987 win
04:11 astro73|alice good evening. how is everyone enjoying their blackout?
04:11 lwq1996 lol
04:12 wannabe1987 i was at work most of the day
04:12 wannabe1987 it was fine :P
04:12 wannabe1987 i got bit at work tho :P
04:13 * lwq1996 bites wannabe
04:13 * wannabe1987 glances at her finger
04:13 wannabe1987 its all better now
04:13 wannabe1987 how would wikipedia be considered piracy for SOPA/PIPA
04:14 wannabe1987 yay
04:14 astro73|alice anywhere users can post
04:14 astro73|alice and WP has a fair amount of fair use material
04:14 wannabe1987 true
04:15 astro73|alice it would be possible that a company in the midst of fiasco to have wikipedia SOPA'd in an effort to suppress the story\
04:15 lwq1996 i want some moo moo juice
04:16 wannabe1987 moo moo is our cat
04:16 wannabe1987 you want what?
04:16 lwq1996 cow juice
04:17 astro73|alice milk
04:17 lwq1996 yes :P
04:17 wannabe1987 moo juice.  not moo moo juice
04:17 wannabe1987 strange pa'ers
04:18 lwq1996 no moo moo juice :P
04:20 Toastdude Bye all
04:21 wannabe1987 night Toastdude!
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04:23 wannabe1987 bats!
04:23 wannabe1987 hi :)
04:23 Bat-Mobile hey!
04:23 Bat-Mobile My kitchen currently contains all the items necessary to make really boring sushi!
04:24 wannabe1987 WIN!  what did you get for it?
04:25 wannabe1987 .weather tgg
04:25 astro73|alice does boring sushi involve a wild pig?
04:25 BotSteve Clear ☼, 21.2℉ (-6℃), 29.88in (1009mb), Fresh breeze 17kt (↑) - KGRR 03:53Z
04:25 wannabe1987 "fresh breeze" ????
04:27 Bat-Mobile I have rice, vinegar, nori(?), and tuna.
04:27 Bat-Mobile Oh, and soy sauce.
04:27 Bat-Mobile And cream cheese.
04:27 Bat-Mobile But no avocado or cucumber.
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04:27 Bat-Mobile Or other things.
04:27 tonsofpcs hi
04:27 Bat-Mobile hi tonsofpcs!
04:27 tonsofpcs have a rice cooker?
04:28 Bat-Mobile yep
04:28 tonsofpcs have saffron?
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04:31 Bat-Mobile Nope
04:31 tonsofpcs :( could have made spanish!
04:31 tonsofpcs you could also probably go for stir fry.
04:31 lwq1996 hey guys, can i put ubuntu and damn small linux on the same live disk?
04:31 * tonsofpcs needs to make stir fry again, been a month or so
04:31 tonsofpcs lwq1996: kinda.
04:32 lwq1996 kinda how?
04:32 tonsofpcs lwq1996: you can get both on the same disk and make a bootloader chainload them.  It's a lot easier to do if you put an image of each on the disc and use a loader that chainloads into the images
04:32 tonsofpcs but then you need enough ram to hold teh full image
04:33 tonsofpcs (well, you can do it without enough ram, it just gets slow)
04:33 Bat-Mobile Like I said, it's gonna be really boring sushi.
04:33 tonsofpcs if you look at the way UBCD is configured, it has a way to handle multiple linuxes.  Alternatively, a grub or lilo boot w/ chainload
04:34 tonsofpcs https://www.google.com/search?q=multiple+linux+boot+cd
04:34 BotSteve Title: multiple linux boot cd - Google Search
04:36 wannabe1987 nah, Bat-Mobile, sounds yummy :D
04:43 tonsofpcs what should I use for the shipping address for flags?
04:43 Bat-Mobile Unrelated, this is an awesome facebook status.
04:43 Bat-Mobile somenone broke into moms car about 20 min ago.  he hit us and the neighbors down the street within minutes of each other.  didn't really  bother me either other than freaking me. i ran outside  with my katana but he was gone
04:44 Bat-Mobile Then again, maybe katanas are a more common item among TGG'ers than the rest of my friends.
04:45 tonsofpcs heh
04:45 wannabe1987 nice.  bunch of snow on my way to the dentist tomorrow am :/
04:46 wannabe1987 stupid michigan
04:46 wannabe1987 actually, stupid lake :P
04:46 tonsofpcs lake michigan?
04:46 wannabe1987 mhm
04:46 wannabe1987 unrelated but coolish: http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-union-city-bones-discovery-teens-stumble-upon-human-remains-in-civil-war-era-home-20120118,0,6814848.story
04:46 BotSteve Title: Union City Bones Discovery: Teens Stumble Upon Human Remains in Civil War Era Home - FOX 17
04:47 * wannabe1987 now has pants on
04:47 wannabe1987 i had pants on before, don't worry
04:48 wannabe1987 these are just different pants
04:48 wannabe1987 non-work ones
04:48 Cheezmo tsh, pants are overrated
04:48 wannabe1987 i also have a heated blanket :D
04:48 Cheezmo I'd be without pants if it wasn't so feckin cold out right now
04:49 wannabe1987 hence the heated blanket
04:49 Cheezmo it's only like -20c, but this winter we've barely been below freezing, so we're not acclimatized :V
04:49 lwq1996 this is so bad http://www.damnlol.com/not-yet-not-yet-13454.html
04:49 BotSteve Title: Not Yet! Not Yet! - Damn! LOL
04:49 Cheezmo .ctof -20
04:49 Cheezmo I forgot the conversion thing
04:50 wannabe1987 .c -20c to f
04:50 BotSteve -4 degrees Fahrenheit
04:50 Cheezmo frosty
04:50 tonsofpcs egrsteve: there should be both an NJ state flag (my home state) and an NY state flag (where I live now, obv) on their way.
04:50 * wannabe1987 is now changed out of work clothes and is under her blanket :D
04:51 lwq1996 anyone here ever been to wild wood?
04:51 tonsofpcs lwq1996: perhaps once when I was a small child
04:52 tonsofpcs and it's Wildwood, isn't it?
04:52 lwq1996 i may get to go there this year with my jazz band?
04:52 lwq1996 yes
04:53 egrsteve ok
04:54 * wannabe1987 needs back massage. who is here that can do it?
04:54 wannabe1987 only the cat.  and idk where he is
04:54 egrsteve expect to see them when they arrive on the mail segment
04:55 tonsofpcs egrsteve: you assume that I watch daily.
04:55 tonsofpcs with BotSteve failing to tell me about new videos, I might watch one per week...
04:56 tonsofpcs lwq1996: I've been down the shore once or twice... idk where it was, I was a kid.
04:56 tonsofpcs (you don't go "to the beach" in NJ, you go "down the shore")
04:57 wannabe1987 http://youtu.be/6ntDYjS0Y3w
04:57 BotSteve Title: The Bark Side: 2012 Volkswagen Game Day Commercial Teaser - YouTube
04:57 * wannabe1987 gets her tooth pulled tomorrow
04:57 tonsofpcs ouch
04:57 wannabe1987 and they expect me to work!
04:57 tonsofpcs just have them pump you full of enough drugs to not requiree work
04:58 wannabe1987 i asked if there were lifting restrictions, tehy said no.  maybe i shoulda lied and said there were.  i *can* call off if i have to, for pain, or maybe they'll let me do 1:1 (one on one, just sit in a chair all day, making sure a resident doesn't fall) because of it :D
05:01 wannabe1987 so i give my mom my work schedule so she can plan things AROUND it, and whats she do?  schedule a birthday party for noon on sunday, i work 11-1....
05:01 wannabe1987 i'll come late, but NOT HAPPY
05:01 wannabe1987 there better be food left
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05:07 lwq1996 mmm cookies
05:08 wannabe1987 i want some :/
05:08 lwq1996 .cookie wannabe
05:08 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe, I baked you a gingerbread cookie!
05:08 wannabe1987 yum!
05:09 * wannabe1987 has three entries to win cookies
05:09 wannabe1987 http://phoodinyoface.blogspot.com/2011/12/almost-1-year-blogaversary.html
05:09 BotSteve Title: Phood in your face: Almost the 1 year blogaversary!
05:09 wannabe1987 dredre, roadran, and jill, a friend
05:11 Bat-Mobile One time I entered a contest and I won a copy of "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter"
05:11 wannabe1987 lol
05:11 wannabe1987 you could win cookies!
05:11 Bat-Mobile True.  But when will I be in Grand Rapids to eat them?
05:11 wannabe1987 i'll send them to you ....
05:22 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs: did you say something the other day about using latpops as starburst warmers?
05:22 wannabe1987 i agree
05:27 wannabe1987 Bat-Mobile: what is aviation flight science at western?
05:27 Bat-Mobile wannabe1987: it's what I teach?
05:27 wannabe1987 do you know a kyle emelander?
05:28 Bat-Mobile No...has he started flying yet?
05:28 wannabe1987 i don't konw.  facebook says he's studying "aviation flight science".  we're not friends, i knew his sister in HS
05:29 wannabe1987 he's from the air nat'l guard tho
05:29 Bat-Mobile Yeah, that's my program, so he might be my student eventually
05:29 wannabe1987 cool
05:29 Bat-Mobile But he's not yet on active flight status
05:29 wannabe1987 .radar
05:29 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=grr&amp;product=NCR&amp;overlay=11101111&amp;loop=yes
05:29 Bat-Mobile Which makes me guess he's not yet actually flying.
05:29 wannabe1987 cool.  someday
05:30 wannabe1987 hey look.....all the snow will be north of us :D
05:30 wannabe1987 yay!
05:30 wannabe1987 BitViper: more snow coming your way!
05:34 lwq1996 you guys see that cool video on vimeo?
05:34 wannabe1987 way to be vague
05:34 Bat-Mobile Oh yeah, that one!  With the thing!  And the other thing.  And the guy.
05:35 lwq1996 its on chris's wall, wait if forgot, HE HATES YOU
05:35 lwq1996 oh shut up steve
05:35 Bat-Mobile :]
05:35 lwq1996 :P
05:35 lwq1996 the one of the geek group
05:36 wannabe1987 i saw a link to it...
05:36 wannabe1987 i didn't see it, i'm busy watching other things
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05:43 wannabe1987 i found my ipod :D
05:47 wannabe1987 egrsteve: what did tgg do with the church pews?
05:53 wannabe1987 ok that was interesting.
05:53 wannabe1987 whtas the song from?
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05:54 wannabe1987 oh no.  hi Electricguy
05:58 Experimentonomen guten morgen peepz
05:58 wannabe1987 hi gusy
05:58 wannabe1987 ys*
05:58 wannabe1987 i'm going to sleep soon
05:59 wannabe1987 uh oh.  someone on freecycle wants a MOT
06:01 wannabe1987 .d
06:01 wannabe1987 what day is it?
06:01 Experimentonomen MOTs are way too easy to come by for noobs that shouldent he allowed to play with more than a 9v battery
06:01 Bat-Mobile .t est
06:01 BotSteve Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:01:50 EST
06:01 Bat-Mobile wannabe1987: there you go
06:01 wannabe1987 thx
06:02 wannabe1987 i get a weekend "off"  i don't work 2-10, i work 11-1, 3:30-6:30 friday and sunday, and just the later shift on saturday :D
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06:06 * Experimentonomen steals einball's subwoofer
06:08 Experimentonomen nite miss
06:08 wannabe-zz nivhf
06:08 BotSteve wannabe-zz: I have the following messages for you:
06:08 BotSteve At 00:23Z, roadran422 asked me to tell wannabe-zz WHO WON! :)
06:08 wannabe-zz ght*
06:08 wannabe-zz o.o
06:09 wannabe-zz BotSteve: tell roadran422 to check facebook
06:09 BotSteve wannabe-zz: I'll pass that on when roadran422 is around.
06:12 Electricguy hi hi wannabe-zz
06:22 Experimentonomen yawn.com
06:25 Experimentonomen einball, i found your new subwoofer ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36Kp6veJ6c
06:25 BotSteve Title: The Matterhorn - Worlds Largest Subwoofer - YouTube
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06:48 * Bat-Mobile has pink marshmallows in his hot chocolate
06:48 Bat-Mobile Obviously, I am one of the cool kids.
06:48 LwqSleepingBear what a beast
06:49 Bat-Mobile :]
06:49 LwqSleepingBear :P
06:50 LwqSleepingBear im going to bed
06:50 Experimentonomen nite kid :P
06:53 Bat-Mobile seeya lee
06:57 * Experimentonomen eats chocolate
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07:32 einball1 good morning
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07:49 Experimentonomen einball1: [07:25] <Experimentonomen> einball, i found your new subwoofer ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36Kp6veJ6c
07:49 Experimentonomen :P
07:49 BotSteve Title: The Matterhorn - Worlds Largest Subwoofer - YouTube
07:51 einball1 Got it already. but I'd use the container for something else than this power soaking monster
07:51 Experimentonomen hm
07:52 Experimentonomen that how big u need to reproduce true infrasound :P
07:52 einball1 I know
07:52 einball1 But that would blow the fuses of thw whole house
07:52 einball1 10kW and more
07:52 einball1 but that would be cool for jazz. subbass from the contrabass
07:54 Seroster Infrasound?
07:55 einball1 yes
07:55 einball1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-bass
07:55 BotSteve Title: Sub-bass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07:55 einball1 included in subbass
07:55 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5CRteX5hfQ&amp;feature=plcp&amp;context=C3e941b0UDOEgsToPDskIlsKOxM8QPwScveYP1y5Bx <-- this on the other hand can go down to near DC in infrasound territory
07:56 BotSteve Title: even more TRW Subwoofer action - YouTube
07:56 Experimentonomen but it costs a mere 25 grand
07:57 einball1 I like the rotary thing, but that thing is really nice engineered.
07:57 Seroster http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/SOPA/Blackoutpage < lol. "More than 162 million people saw our message asking if you could imagine a world without free knowledge. You said no. You shut down Congress’s switchboards. You melted their servers."
07:57 BotSteve Title: SOPA/Blackoutpage - Wikimedia Foundation
07:57 Seroster The last sentence is just so kickass.
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08:07 angy morning
08:08 tehdark45 hello angy
08:09 dr_jkl codecodecooode
08:10 Experimentonomen einball1, how often do u get complaints about loud bass ?
08:11 einball1 Experimentonomen: depends on my mood :D
08:11 tehdark45 lol
08:11 einball1 There had been 2 incidents since my new neighbours moved in
08:12 einball1 and they are quite tolerant
08:12 einball1 my music time is from 1800-2200
08:14 Seroster Lo angy
08:17 * angy fondles Seroster^Away
08:18 Experimentonomen einball1, my last loud bass complaint was generated by this little amp: http://diymania.hv4all.com/selfosc%20classd/new/MCD/stereo/MHzdamp.jpg <-- around 2-5 watts class d driving some old 80's speakers
08:19 * dr_jkl fume une pipe.
08:19 einball1 Experimentonomen: too much cooling for class D :)
08:19 angy Yay! dr_jkl is speaking French
08:20 Experimentonomen einball1, that class D ran a PWM of 1-2MHz and got HOT
08:20 einball1 wrong settings.
08:21 einball1 they may run at 1kW and you may touch them with your bare fingers
08:21 Experimentonomen that one used some TC4422 gate driver ics running off a 12V psu
08:22 Experimentonomen which was about the max voltage those driver ics were rated for
08:22 einball1 That does not matter
08:22 einball1 if one transistor is not completely closed while the other opens then they get quite hot
08:22 einball1 That's a nogo
08:23 * dr_jkl grins
08:24 * dr_jkl pulls angy close and grins
08:24 dr_jkl alors nous sommes presque freres. je suis hereux de vous connaitre!
08:25 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvA46naxlGY <-- the last class d i did before i abandoned class d for audio
08:25 BotSteve Title: Homemade class d amplifier - YouTube
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08:26 Experimentonomen class d is simply not worth the hassle, class AB is just so superior in sound quality
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08:28 Thermoelectric BotSteve, tell Seroster IRC box is done now, should be around all the time again. :)
08:28 BotSteve Thermoelectric: I'll pass that on when Seroster is around.
08:29 Thermoelectric Danke BotSteve
08:30 * angy hugs dr_jkl
08:30 angy :)
08:32 Experimentonomen einball1: http://diymania.hv4all.com/caramp/caramp%20above.JPG <-- 350 watt caramp
08:34 Experimentonomen i have two, one is modified to run off a 48VDC mains fed psu rather than 12V, the other is partially scrapped for parts, the modded one used to run my sub back before i moved
08:35 Thermoelectric Looks pretty interesting.
08:36 Experimentonomen btw einball1, what my rom used to look like: http://diymania.hv4all.com/room/Picture%20003.jpg <-- before i moved
08:36 einball1 doh, CRT :3
08:38 Experimentonomen http://user.faktiskt.se/tekko/ <-- back when i used to build speakers from scratch
08:38 BotSteve Title: Index of /tekko
08:40 einball1 moment ...
08:40 einball1 I watch a talk
08:54 einball1 Experimentonomen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=HUEvRyemKSg#!
08:54 BotSteve Title: 28c3: The coming war on general computation - YouTube
08:55 einball1 How could I miss that talk T_T
08:56 Experimentonomen sopa means garbage in sweden ;)
08:57 einball1 Take that hours and watch the talk
08:57 einball1 awesome
09:00 einball1 In fact, it's half an hour talking and the other half an hour questions
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09:23 Thermoelectric Hmm
09:27 einball1 Experimentonomen: Could you unpack that thing?
09:27 Experimentonomen yes i found a way
09:28 einball1 Did you like it? :)
09:28 Experimentonomen it wasent what i expected for a guy that has a 15" sub in a 200L box
09:29 einball1 I guess, many people expect things that are not true :)
09:30 einball1 Or expectations that I don't match
09:30 einball1 Dunno how to say that in english :)
09:30 Experimentonomen btw i think your current sub will perform better with a bigger amp, weak amplifiers struggle to keep cone movement under control
09:31 einball1 I know. But there's no money for a bigger amp right now.
09:31 einball1 And it's not all about subs or amps.
09:32 Experimentonomen btw is ur sub a commercial pa sub or a homemade one ? like built in shop class at school and such
09:32 einball1 I've been able to listen live to that band once. They delivered so frigging much energy and melancholy ... That's another part of my life .. :D
09:33 einball1 It's based on the ARLS Design, but I altered it a little bit to get more depth
09:34 Experimentonomen oki
09:34 Experimentonomen my sub is around 40 liters
09:35 einball1 Enought. But Iam a little bit crazy so I built a bigger one :)
09:35 tehdark45 dont you mean CC?
09:36 tehdark45 litre is a liquid measurement
09:36 tehdark45 :P
09:36 Experimentonomen the drivers i use: http://s798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/TheElectroNoob/?action=view&amp;current=004.jpg
09:36 BotSteve Title: 004.jpg picture by TheElectroNoob - Photobucket
09:36 Experimentonomen somehow i've managed to break the terminals on the spare i have laying around :(
09:37 einball1 tehdark45: Nope
09:37 Thermoelectric Fix it!
09:37 einball1 tehdark45: liters are a measurement unit for fluids. Air is also a fluid!
09:38 einball1 "o one else can enter that door - this door was intended only for you" Who may identify the quote!? :)
09:38 einball1 *No
09:39 einball1 I love the powerfull kickbass the sub delivers as the drum kicks in. At higher volumes you may lie in your bed and just let go
09:39 Experimentonomen tehdark45, speaker boxes are measured in how many liters of water that it would hold
09:39 einball1 feel the vibrations of the room
09:39 Experimentonomen if u used CC's, u'd end up with very large numbers
09:41 einball1 brb shower
09:43 * angy throws shampoo at einball1
09:43 einball1 meh
09:43 einball1 no warm water
09:43 einball1 tnx angy
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09:44 Experimentonomen einball1: http://s798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/TheElectroNoob/lagenheten/?action=view&amp;current=002-4.jpg <-- before i cut it down in size
09:44 BotSteve Title: lagenheten :: 002-4.jpg picture by TheElectroNoob - Photobucket
09:46 einball1 poor sub :P
09:47 Experimentonomen why?
09:48 Experimentonomen when i first got that sub it was a bandpass type box with very poor and crappy performance so i redid it to sealed and had it like that for years, then after i moved to the 60m2 apartment i live in now, the sub was just too large for practical use, so i cut it in half
09:50 einball1 subs arent built to be cut
09:50 Experimentonomen and im thinkin abt takin the fibreglass wool from the speakers i fried and stuff into the sub as its empty atm
09:51 einball1 :D
09:51 einball1 For chaos and madness - We divide by zero!
09:51 Experimentonomen the sub was someones diy, many years ago
09:52 Experimentonomen i got it from my uncle but i doubt he built it, im gussing he prolly picked it up at the recyclers
09:53 einball1 hehe
09:53 einball1 it works, yep :)
09:54 * einball1 sets itself to shower mode
09:56 * tehdark45 turns off the hot water
09:57 * Experimentonomen loos at tehdark45
09:57 Experimentonomen looks*
09:58 tehdark45 OH NO DON'T LOOS AT ME
09:58 tehdark45 :P
09:58 * tehdark45 stares into the soul of Experimentonomen
09:59 angy he got no soul
09:59 * tehdark45 shivers
09:59 tehdark45 :P
09:59 tehdark45 says the frenchie
09:59 tehdark45 :P
09:59 angy it's no news that I don't have any soul nor heart
10:00 tehdark45 lol
10:00 angy I shall steal one, but I like it without any
10:01 tehdark45 angy, you are not a ginger though
10:01 tehdark45 :P
10:01 angy I ain't a baked tiny thing :)
10:02 tehdark45 how do we know?
10:02 tehdark45 :P
10:03 angy Moose did not ate me when I was in GR
10:04 tehdark45 eat*
10:04 tehdark45 ate is present tense
10:04 tehdark45 :P
10:04 tehdark45 past*
10:04 tehdark45 eat is present
10:04 tehdark45 :P
10:04 angy Yay! I messed up an american :p
10:05 tehdark45 I am South African
10:05 tehdark45 :P
10:05 angy it's the same from my point of view! :p
10:05 angy as far as north america
10:06 einball1 fuck you tehdark45!
10:06 einball1 The water's freezing cold!
10:07 einball1 NEVER do that again, or I'll slap you around a bit
10:07 tehdark45 einball1, unfortunately i am not homosexual, but thanks for the offer
10:07 tehdark45 :P
10:07 Experimentonomen lol
10:08 Experimentonomen einball1's water heater is broken :P
10:08 angy tehdark45: einball1 offer was so nice, you should have accepted it
10:08 einball1 Hrhrhr ... That one video comment about Moose .. "I think I have a crush on Moose. [..]" yeah .. Who does not. She's blonde, skilled at woodworking, is able to cope with sheet routers, lathes and mills, and at least her car looks like voltrons foot. so what? :D
10:09 angy she is indeed a lovely person to know
10:09 tehdark45 lol
10:09 Experimentonomen and shes likely already taken :P
10:09 angy :)
10:10 tehdark45 everyone calles her miss moose though, mrs = married
10:10 tehdark45 :P
10:10 einball1 I dunno. I added her like 2 or 3 years ago in Yahoo Messenger to ask her ONE DAMN QUESTION. She never answered it :-/
10:10 einball1 I think I'll have to come over to GR to ask her in person xD
10:11 Experimentonomen einball1, shes like twice ur age :P
10:11 tehdark45 angy, yeah it is abit far to go http://g.co/maps/rvw8n
10:11 BotSteve Title: Surrey, BC to Mühlacker, Germany - Google Maps
10:11 angy I was in Surrey not that long ago
10:12 einball1 I want to ask her why she left germany, nothing more or less XD
10:12 tehdark45 angy, summer?
10:12 angy most like spring 2011
10:12 tehdark45 ahh
10:13 tehdark45 what brought you to Surrey?
10:13 angy some (useless) conference
10:14 einball1 Oh, I have at least one thing, that binds me to germany: The coffee machine :D
10:14 tehdark45 einball1, we have Keuirg here
10:14 tehdark45 :P
10:14 einball1 eek
10:14 einball1 no thanks
10:15 angy use lavazza esspresso machines
10:15 einball1 Hell no o_O
10:15 tehdark45 angy, what conference?
10:16 angy tehdark45: don't remember the name, but something either on MRI imaging or connective tissues
10:16 einball1 It's a unique thing!
10:16 tehdark45 ah ok. do you remeber the street it was on?
10:17 angy some hotel/conference center
10:17 einball1 We picked it up from a friend that said, it's broken.
10:17 einball1 It turned out only the electronic stuff is useless
10:17 angy no idea really where, just remember the name
10:17 tehdark45 Did you like surrey>
10:17 tehdark45 ?*
10:18 angy I like Seattle better :)
10:18 tehdark45 lol
10:18 tehdark45 Vancouver/Seattle, same thing
10:18 tehdark45 :P
10:22 einball1 Nothing beats german engineering :D
10:22 angy depend a lot on the fiels einball1
10:22 tehdark45 for cars, yeah, everthing else, meh
10:22 tehdark45 :P
10:22 einball1 It's saying here for really overengineered things over here :D
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10:25 einball1 http://www.nyvs.com/blog/user/michael/You-Cant-Beat-German-Engineering
10:25 einball1 example :D
10:25 BotSteve Title: You Can't Beat German Engineering! by: michael | New York Video School | NYVS - New York Video School
10:25 RageRiot /say Morning all
10:25 einball1 hi RageRiot
10:25 RageRiot *forget he isnt on mirc*
10:26 tehdark45 RageRiot, why would you need /say?
10:26 RageRiot :)
10:26 RageRiot I was going to use $time
10:26 RageRiot but this client doesnt understand variables
10:26 tehdark45 .tfw surrey bc
10:26 BotSteve 19 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Surrey, CA!  'Keep track of your local old people.'
10:26 tehdark45 O_O
10:26 RageRiot but to pare they you have to type //say
10:26 tehdark45 .c 19 F C
10:26 BotSteve 19 m^(-2) kg^(-1) s^(5) A^(3)
10:26 RageRiot parse*
10:27 tehdark45 .c 19F to C
10:27 BotSteve -7.22222222 degrees Celsius
10:27 RageRiot wow thats cold
10:27 tehdark45 oh k then
10:27 tehdark45 F is serosly fucked up
10:27 RageRiot yeh
10:27 tehdark45 32 is 0
10:27 tehdark45 yes 19 is only -7
10:28 RageRiot but then I supose it isnt if your used to one or the other
10:28 tehdark45 I use C
10:28 tehdark45 and RageRiot where are you?
10:28 RageRiot my dad is used to F but we use c in the UK now. I gather 40 odd years ago we used F
10:28 RageRiot UK
10:28 tehdark45 ah ok
10:28 RageRiot you?
10:29 tehdark45 Surrey, CA
10:29 tehdark45 it says right there
10:29 tehdark45 :P
10:29 RageRiot oh yeh.
10:29 RageRiot lol
10:29 tehdark45 I r in Canadia
10:29 RageRiot I'm still tired :S
10:30 tehdark45 RageRiot, sleep
10:30 tehdark45 :P
10:30 RageRiot it's 10:33am
10:30 RageRiot I'm in work
10:30 tehdark45 your're at work
10:30 tehdark45 unless you are in the foundation
10:30 tehdark45 :P
10:30 RageRiot in/at ... all the same
10:31 tehdark45 And you are supposed to know real (UK) english
10:31 tehdark45 :P
10:31 RageRiot <-- primary school
10:31 tehdark45 that elementary for you merican filk
10:31 tehdark45 folk*
10:31 RageRiot like I said I'm tired.
10:31 RageRiot yep
10:32 tehdark45 RageRiot, you are working while in primary school?
10:32 tehdark45 wut?
10:32 RageRiot judge my english after more than 5 minutes at least..
10:32 tehdark45 ok
10:32 tehdark45 :P
10:32 RageRiot I'm the IT technician here
10:33 tehdark45 ohh
10:33 tehdark45 ok
10:33 RageRiot got 2 staff laptops next to me, Just doing general maintenance
10:33 tehdark45 That sounds like the easiest job ever
10:33 tehdark45 is it?
10:33 RageRiot yeh
10:34 RageRiot piss easy. only it can get boring.
10:34 tehdark45 that why you have us ;)
10:34 RageRiot yestoday was hectic tho.
10:35 tehdark45 Did someone flip the voltage switch?
10:35 tehdark45 :P
10:35 RageRiot we had the electrical safty testers in testing all the mains equipment. so all the staff had to bring in laptops.
10:35 tehdark45 ok
10:36 RageRiot since we had them in I took the opotunity to rename the laptops on the network and give them a Identifying sticker
10:36 tehdark45 i'm guessing you are the first compotent person to ever touch the network?
10:36 tehdark45 :P
10:36 RageRiot well about 6 n half hours of my day was dedicated to that as well as being on call for technical probs in the school
10:36 RageRiot I had to stay behind 2 hours
10:37 RageRiot not the first. but the first competent guy to touch it.
10:37 einball1 Hmm
10:38 RageRiot what it really needs is a quick death but about 20k for a replacement
10:38 einball1 I'll reinstall debian now :)
10:38 RageRiot have fun
10:38 einball1 Looking forward to see you again! A fresh and clean install to install a fresh new clean toolchain :)
10:39 tehdark45 RageRiot, is it all hubs?
10:39 angy go with clang
10:39 RageRiot 7 switches( one POE for wifi)
10:39 RageRiot 2 servers
10:40 tehdark45 oh ok you have switches at least
10:40 RageRiot and rougly 147 clients
10:40 tehdark45 what need the upgrade? is it a bunch of P4s?
10:41 RageRiot http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/professionalpc/Scenic/ScenicEdition/X101/editionX101.htm
10:41 BotSteve Title: Scenic Edition X101
10:41 RageRiot http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/professionalpc/Scenic/ScenicEdition/X102/editionX102.htm
10:41 BotSteve Title: Scenic Edition X102
10:42 RageRiot http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/professionalpc/ESPRIMO/Value/EditionP2510.htm
10:42 BotSteve Title: EditionP2510
10:42 RageRiot a mixture of them
10:42 RageRiot for the kids class room PC ( for for each class )
10:43 tehdark45 My Desktop is a PD
10:43 RageRiot brb technical emergancy
10:43 * Experimentonomen moves 18.1GB worth of pics and vids from C: to D:
10:45 Nekoroms hmm amd's new 8 core processors are nice :)
10:45 Experimentonomen and im gonna go for a walk, bbl
10:45 Nekoroms 4.2ghz and 8 core's
10:45 Nekoroms and hi all i got my monitor back
10:45 Nekoroms it had to replace my projector while i got a new lamp for it
10:46 tehdark45 Nekoroms, do you have a savings account for the lamp? xD
10:46 Nekoroms nope
10:46 Nekoroms it did cost 180 euro's
10:47 Nekoroms around 230 usd
10:47 tehdark45 oh thats not so bad, i thought they were more expensive than that
10:47 Nekoroms yeh and they last allmost 6000 hours
10:49 Nekoroms finally got the ps3 hooked up
10:50 Nekoroms it had so good discount on it that we couldnt leave it to the store :)
10:50 tehdark45 Nekoroms, so it costs you 33 cents an hour to run the projector
10:50 Nekoroms somewhat
10:50 Nekoroms 199 euro ps3
10:51 Nekoroms 255 usd or something like that
10:51 tehdark45 .c 199 Euro to USD
10:51 BotSteve 255.8941 U.S. dollars
10:51 Nekoroms ha i'm good at guessing
10:52 tehdark45 .c  1 CAD to USD
10:52 BotSteve 0.989413 U.S. dollars
10:52 tehdark45 aww the US is winning by .02 cents
10:53 angy punch them
10:53 Nekoroms just their .02 cents :)
10:53 tehdark45 .c 1 CAD to Rand
10:53 BotSteve 7.88609391 South African rands
10:53 angy .c 1 CAD to Euro
10:53 BotSteve 0.769432304 Euros
10:54 tehdark45 .c 1 angy to Nekoroms
10:54 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
10:54 tehdark45 lol
10:57 tehdark45 .c 1 gbp to cad
10:57 BotSteve 1.55951054 Canadian dollars
11:02 RageRiot lol
11:02 RageRiot I'm back
11:03 tehdark45 what was this emergency?
11:03 RageRiot teacher reports their main computer sounds like the fan has failed and it's making a noise. a whirling noise.. I open the machine . check the fan .. air flow fine. speed normal. no noise. I run a burn in test to stress the machine
11:04 tehdark45 lol
11:04 RageRiot the CD drive spins up for the test and like most optical drives they are noisy at full speed
11:04 RageRiot LOL !!!!
11:04 Thermoelectric Just pull it out. :P
11:05 RageRiot or eject the disk
11:05 tehdark45 imagine what the teacher would have said if it was a 5 1/4 floppy drive
11:05 RageRiot yeh
11:05 tehdark45 those sound sick
11:05 tehdark45 lol
11:05 RageRiot it's laugh able some of the things I get asked to look at,
11:06 tehdark45 RageRiot, the reason is that they all care about what Paris Hilton is doing ;)
11:07 RageRiot the most commmon and has to be the most obvious. " the computer isnt coming on, is it broke" me: not to my knowledge" *walks up, from a few feet away the mains switched a off on the wall socket*
11:07 tehdark45 facepalm
11:07 RageRiot thats like electrical applicance 101 !!
11:08 RageRiot exactly :P
11:08 tehdark45 i like switches on sockets
11:08 tehdark45 i duno why US doesnt use them
11:08 tehdark45 or most of the world
11:08 RageRiot yeh. I wouldnt like that.
11:09 tehdark45 As far as I know UK and South Africa are the only countries that do switch on sockets
11:10 tehdark45 The only thing I dont get is why is down on? that seems backwards
11:10 tehdark45 And I come from a country where down is on
11:10 tehdark45 lol
11:10 RageRiot I had a genuine question last week tho. I had headphones on and in the same room behind me a teacher said can you hear that. I take off my head phone and ask her to repeat then I hear electrical sparking... the teachers Monitor was making a noise. the mains lead was falling out causing an arc.
11:12 RageRiot I can tell you why. because most switched has a red end. when on this is visable from the top. when off just white is visable
11:12 tehdark45 yeah makes sense
11:13 tehdark45 never thought of it that way
11:13 tehdark45 lol
11:13 RageRiot :)
11:14 tehdark45 what do you think of 220V plug with no fuse built in?
11:14 RageRiot anyway in that incident the first thing I did was flip the switches. sure the PC went off because I flipped both of them
11:15 RageRiot but it was better than potentially electicuting my self while I push the plug in
11:15 tehdark45 oh yeah I know that sound of an IEC arching
11:15 RageRiot unfused plugs are a hazard
11:15 tehdark45 its a strange soung
11:15 tehdark45 d*
11:15 RageRiot ye
11:15 tehdark45 RageRiot, that is how it is done in South Africa
11:15 tehdark45 :P
11:16 RageRiot yeh thats dodgy
11:16 tehdark45 No you see
11:16 tehdark45 there are thses things
11:16 tehdark45 called curcit brekers
11:16 tehdark45 :P
11:17 RageRiot you mean the mains circuit brakers ?
11:17 tehdark45 yeah
11:17 RageRiot yeh and every time you plug in a faulty appliance you kill the circuit to everything.
11:18 tehdark45 only that breaker
11:18 tehdark45 its not like the main supply breaker goes
11:18 tehdark45 hold on
11:18 RageRiot it's better to have to change one fuse for that appliance rather than have all you devices on that circuit go
11:19 tehdark45 why dont they build in a curcit breaker into the socket switch?
11:19 tehdark45 that would make sense
11:19 RageRiot we have circuit brakers here at the main in to the building. usually called the consumer unit.
11:20 RageRiot but since there is multiple places that are fused it's safe and convinient.
11:20 tehdark45 no I mean right in the plug
11:20 tehdark45 socket*
11:20 RageRiot it would fustrait me if I plugged a faulty PC in and it killed th power to the server :P
11:20 tehdark45 lol
11:21 RageRiot because they are more expensicve than fuses,
11:22 RageRiot and the guidlines are if a circuit braker trips it should be replaced. hense kill a fuse which are cheaper to replace
11:22 RageRiot kill a breaker and they you have a bigger electrical problem. once fixed repplace the breaker and jobs a good'un
11:22 tehdark45 um that defeats the purpose of a breaker
11:23 tehdark45 they might as well stuck to fuses
11:25 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: ... Replace a breaker because it tripped? Seriously?
11:25 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Also, breakers almost always go before fuses.
11:26 RageRiot I think one reason they changed the standard was because it was too easy to wrap some crappy wire round the terminals.
11:26 tehdark45 A wild monkeh appears
11:26 RageRiot I cant remember the standard but it might be for a paticular type of breaker.
11:26 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Where are you from?
11:26 tehdark45 He is in your country
11:26 tehdark45 :P
11:26 Monkeh|Lap ...
11:26 RageRiot UK
11:26 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: No, we don't replace MCBs when they trip.
11:27 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: And the fused plugs are for a very specific reason.
11:27 RageRiot to my underdstanding fuses go first because they are the closest to the fault.
11:27 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Distance does not matter.
11:27 tehdark45 Monkeh, to make the fuse companies lots of money?
11:27 tehdark45 :P
11:27 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: The current has to flow through the entire circuit.
11:27 tehdark45 A fuse basically melts
11:28 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Fuses and MCBs operate in a totally different manner, the breaking characteristics are completely different.
11:28 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: No, a fuse explodes.
11:28 tehdark45 it is a stip of wire, is there gas in it?
11:29 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Have you seen a fuse go under short circuit conditions?
11:29 tehdark45 Nope
11:29 tehdark45 lol
11:29 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: They explode.
11:29 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: As do other faults with that sort of current.
11:29 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, so they may explode
11:29 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i62/RFLighting/b2182443.jpg
11:30 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i62/RFLighting/20fc276f.jpg
11:30 Monkeh|Lap Doesn't look like much melting happened there :P
11:31 tehdark45 You can trip a fuse other ways besides short
11:31 tehdark45 :P
11:31 tehdark45 like
11:31 tehdark45 overcurrent
11:31 RageRiot it depends on how much current passed. most fuse fails just pop the fuse
11:31 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Yes, but as the fuse gets hotter, the resistance increases.
11:32 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: As the resistance increases, the heat dissipated increases, the resistance further increases, and then.. bang.
11:32 Monkeh|Lap Yes, shorts are much more violent, but fuses still explode in overcurrent situations.
11:32 Monkeh|Lap Most of them are in sand filled capsules these days.
11:32 tehdark45 just use a nail and go about your business
11:32 Monkeh|Lap You'll still notice if I pop an open air fuse with overcurrent.
11:33 tehdark45 :P
11:33 RageRiot yeh, ok I was slightly wrong in regard to mcbs being replace but there are conditions where they have to be replaced I'm sure, and the obivous it's it's burnt up doesnt count
11:33 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Only if they've exceeded their rated safe breaking current. This should not happen in domestic installations, and if it does it should fail to latch.
11:33 tehdark45 such as the autopsied one in the mountain
11:36 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: It's usually pretty obvious if they're asked to break a fault current above their rating, as they can't contain the arc.
11:37 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: This is not the best I've seen but you get the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-V89Hvuqg
11:37 BotSteve Title: 65 amp fuse blowing 1 - YouTube
11:38 yNos morning all
11:38 angy-lunch hello yNos
11:38 tehdark45 Yeah that isnt your nice freindly 15A plug fuse
11:38 tehdark45 :P
11:38 Thermoelectric Morning yNos
11:39 RageRiot hi ynos
11:39 tehdark45 6am yNos? :P
11:39 tehdark45 go back to bed
11:39 tehdark45 lol
11:39 RageRiot no. most of the time plug fuses just pop silently
11:39 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: No, but when you dump 6kA across those they explode just as nicely.
11:40 RageRiot I suualy have to test them with a meter to find out if it's definatly gone
11:40 tehdark45 why would one have 15 kA going through a mains plug?
11:40 tehdark45 :P
11:40 tehdark45 6*
11:40 Monkeh|Lap Normally overcurrent is contained by the sand, but..
11:40 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: That's what you can get if you dead short a domestic 240V supply.
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11:40 einball y0
11:40 tehdark45 ok remind me not to short the main in the UK
11:40 tehdark45 lol
11:40 Monkeh|Lap Usually closer to 3, but..
11:40 RageRiot heh
11:41 Monkeh|Lap Either way it's big and nasty.
11:41 Monkeh|Lap I'll get Sparky to rig up some fuses and a few test loads some time, do a video on what happens to them :P
11:41 RageRiot btw where are u from monkeh?
11:41 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Cornwall.
11:41 RageRiot ahh
11:41 RageRiot <-- Manchester
11:41 Monkeh|Lap I know
11:42 tehdark45 RageRiot, Aresnal ftw
11:42 tehdark45 :P
11:42 Monkeh|Lap I claim neutrality due to not giving a crap. ;)
11:42 tehdark45 yeah i dont care either actually
11:43 RageRiot did I mention manchester before?
11:43 Monkeh|Lap You didn't have to
11:43 RageRiot is that a good thing or a bad thing ?/////
11:43 Monkeh|Lap Neither
11:43 RageRiot what gave it away?
11:44 tehdark45 Just as long as you are not a soccor mom in Chelsea
11:44 tehdark45 lolol
11:44 Monkeh|Lap Oh, I don't know, the fact that you're connecting from a host at the Central Manchester City Learning Centre?
11:44 tehdark45 soccer*
11:44 Monkeh|Lap ;)
11:44 RageRiot oh
11:44 RageRiot lol
11:44 RageRiot thats cheating
11:45 Monkeh|Lap No it's not
11:45 Monkeh|Lap You leave things like that dangling in the air for all to see, not our fault. :)
11:45 RageRiot the manchester city learning centre is located at my high school it's bizare that I used to used that place when I went to high school
11:46 RageRiot and it happends to be the route for this schools internet
11:47 tehdark45 You probaly share the ISP
11:47 RageRiot yeh
11:47 RageRiot just noticed your connected to a paris freenode server,
11:47 tehdark45 Monkeh should go visit RageRiot lol
11:47 tehdark45 it's only 2 hours
11:47 Monkeh|Lap No thanks
11:47 tehdark45 :P
11:48 RageRiot now thats just sounds like you dont like me.
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11:48 RageRiot lol
11:48 tehdark45 lol
11:48 tehdark45 STEVE
11:48 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: No, just Manchester. ;)
11:48 RageRiot why ?
11:48 Monkeh|Lap RageRiot: Manchester.
11:49 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, Manchester or Chelsea?
11:49 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: None of the above
11:50 yNos Bah, i always start work this early.. i just dont normally get on irc this early.
11:50 Monkeh|Lap Morning yNos
11:50 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, not an option
11:50 tehdark45 :P
11:51 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Oh, it most certainly is
11:51 tehdark45 Go live in Ely then
11:51 tehdark45 lol
11:51 RageRiot I wasnt sure if our ISP would block irc completely. our proxy does but I'm using port 8000. no auther required and not fully locked down
11:52 tehdark45 ISP wont
11:52 tehdark45 your network would
11:53 RageRiot kinda the same thing in this case. I know they are different. but we lease the internet from Mewan.net
11:53 RageRiot thye suck
11:53 RageRiot they*
11:53 angy-lunch ISP may, but not client wise
11:53 tehdark45 You guys like shire there don't you?
11:53 Monkeh|Lap Don't mess with the shire
11:54 tehdark45 :P
11:54 RageRiot yeh :)
11:54 RageRiot lancashire
11:55 tehdark45 Oh and Monkeh|Lap , here they prnounce things wong. Eg Abbotsford - They say all of it - abbots ford >.< so annoying
11:56 RageRiot lol yeh that would be
11:57 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap lives in Ox ford shire
11:57 tehdark45 lol
11:57 * Monkeh|Lap blinks
11:57 RageRiot eww
11:57 RageRiot say it properly
11:57 RageRiot :P
11:57 tehdark45 ok
11:57 tehdark45 Oxforsher
11:58 RageRiot no thats just wrong
11:58 tehdark45 no
11:58 tehdark45 Oxfordsher*
11:59 RageRiot no the sound doesnt change
11:59 RageRiot you jsut need to say it with being hesitant
11:59 RageRiot in one go ox-ford-shire
11:59 tehdark45 that sounds clunky
12:00 tehdark45 too many sylabbles
12:00 tehdark45 i fucked that spelling real good
12:00 tehdark45 lol
12:00 RageRiot LOL
12:00 RageRiot syllables
12:01 tehdark45 meh
12:01 RageRiot ha ! sylab bles
12:01 tehdark45 sy la byles*
12:01 tehdark45 :P
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12:04 RageRiot right I'm gonna see if I can get in the boardroom, need to see if I cant get the sound working and rewire the PC's it's a mes in there.
12:04 tehdark45 lol
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12:13 RageRiot the most adorable thing happended. a teacher just walked in with he little girl who went on maternernaty leave before xmas. ( she adopted) he little one took a shine to me and gave me high five(only 14 months)
12:18 * einball 's life sucks
12:18 Thermoelectric Why's that?
12:19 einball Because I fucked up the system twice by installing compiz T_T
12:19 angy-lunch you try eating shampoo?
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12:42 yNos wb angy
12:43 yNos what was for lunch today?
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13:09 dbshortwave .tfw 13346
13:09 BotSteve 9 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Hamilton, NY!  'NOT FUCKING JOGGING WEATHER'
13:09 dbshortwave damn right
13:09 Thermoelectric .tfw Cairns
13:09 BotSteve 81 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING HOT IN Cairns, AS!  'sweating my balls off'
13:10 dbshortwave yeah bite me
13:10 Thermoelectric Wanna swap?
13:10 dbshortwave lol
13:10 dbshortwave ill tak half of that
13:10 dbshortwave take*
13:10 Druidic_Rifleman MMMM biscuits and gravy
13:11 Thermoelectric Send us half of your lack of heat, I'll exchange it for heat. :P
13:12 * Druidic_Rifleman has the bestest noms in the channel
13:12 Thermoelectric .cookie
13:12 BotSteve Here you go, Thermoelectric, I baked you a butter pecan cookie!
13:12 dbshortwave or just donate 1/2 and we both be happy lol
13:13 Druidic_Rifleman .tfw oshawa
13:13 BotSteve 25 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Oshawa, CA!  'My nipples could cut glass'
13:13 Druidic_Rifleman Pussy's
13:13 dbshortwave lol ill wait till its like -6 and send you some
13:14 wannabe1987 .tfw tgg
13:14 BotSteve 28 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND SNOWING IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'Fantastic do-nothing weather.'
13:14 wannabe1987 you can keep it db
13:14 Thermoelectric Know of any heat pumps that operate over an ocean?
13:14 Druidic_Rifleman wow GR us actyalt nippy
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman actually
13:15 NeWtoz a bit
13:15 wannabe1987 hi newtoz
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman MMMM stick to my ribs biscuits and gravy
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman XD happy druit
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman druid
13:15 wannabe1987 he's so happy he can't spell his name...
13:16 NeWtoz I notice when I walk outside in my workout clothes going to my car
13:16 NeWtoz hi wannabe1987
13:16 Druidic_Rifleman I <3 bacon gravy for breakfast
13:17 dbshortwave lol
13:18 Druidic_Rifleman it's tasty
13:21 Thermoelectric I wonder what would happen if it were possible to move heat internationally.
13:22 Druidic_Rifleman w could solve globalwarming
13:22 Druidic_Rifleman or worsen it
13:23 Thermoelectric Someone should do a study on that... Would atleast reduce our dependence on energy, to heat and cool.
13:25 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah Siphon heat out of sathipoia to heat the uk
13:25 Druidic_Rifleman or russia
13:26 Druidic_Rifleman ethiopia
13:31 wannabe1987 oooo the radar looks pretty
13:31 wannabe1987 .radar
13:31 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=grr&amp;product=NCR&amp;overlay=11101111&amp;loop=yes
13:31 wannabe1987 see? :/
13:31 wannabe1987 NeWtoz: how are the roads in GR?
13:33 NeWtoz covered in snow
13:33 wannabe1987 ugh.  i don't want to go out to GR :/
13:33 wannabe1987 8 says there are more slide offs
13:34 NeWtoz but I only had a 1.5 mile drive home, so I can't really give a good perspective
13:34 wannabe1987 thank god today is payday.  forgot about paying the dentist
13:34 NeWtoz tomorrow is my payday
13:34 wannabe1987 i have to go to division and burton area....dentist appt.  taking 28th
13:35 wannabe1987 technically tomorrow is, but if i go to inservice at 1, i can get my paycheck early
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13:37 dbshortwave_ damnit
13:37 dbshortwave_ i see im still here
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13:38 wannabe1987 you don't want to be here?
13:39 dbshortwave xchat fail
13:39 * Experimentonomen returns exhausted and completely run down
13:39 wannabe-afk um....don't do whatever you were doing?
13:39 wannabe-afk i dunno.  time to get my tooth pulled.  bye
13:46 dbshortwave good luck
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13:52 tonsofpcs wannabe-afk: nope, wasn't I.  Starburst melts in your mouth, who needs a laptop? :-p
13:55 * Experimentonomen turned on the big rig and makes some noise
13:59 yNos *yay* meetings done for a while.
13:59 yNos so how is it out there in the cruel world?
14:00 * yNos is at home, in front of a nice warm fire.
14:00 BitViper white
14:00 Experimentonomen im chillin out after an epic walk
14:00 BitViper *jealous*
14:00 yNos epic walk?
14:00 * angy is watching youtube at work
14:00 yNos those exist?
14:00 yNos angy: what kind of phone do you have?
14:00 Experimentonomen walking about 2-2.5 hours straight through knee deep snow and up steep slopes
14:00 yNos assuming iOS or android..
14:01 angy android, sony xperia something
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14:02 yNos does this count tword youtube ?!?! http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/productivity/poop-salary_bmmzb.html
14:02 BotSteve Title: Poop Salary - Android
14:02 angy I'd say yes, definitly
14:03 yNos Experimentonomen: you could have asked, i have snow shoes you coild borrow!
14:03 yNos **could..
14:04 Experimentonomen i have shoes already :P
14:05 Thermoelectric What is this snow you speak of?
14:05 angy coton candy?
14:05 Experimentonomen Thermoelectric, huh?
14:06 Thermoelectric There ain't no snow in this part of the metricated land.
14:06 Experimentonomen Thermoelectric, but ur an aussie, ur lucky to get a short shower of rain :P
14:07 Experimentonomen i live in the north hemisphere :P
14:07 Experimentonomen we have snow like 8-9 months of the year
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14:07 Thermoelectric Mmm. Ship some this way?
14:08 Experimentonomen and i was walking through the woods on the other side of town from where i livew
14:13 * Experimentonomen looks @ einball
14:13 einball ?
14:14 Experimentonomen just checking if ur still alive ;)
14:14 angy I bet he got a cold :p
14:14 * Experimentonomen steals einball's subwoofer
14:14 einball I have to learn
14:15 BitViper Experimentonomen : feel more than free to send any excess snow here to michigan
14:16 Experimentonomen shipping too expensive
14:17 Thermoelectric Boo.
14:17 * Thermoelectric goes to sleep
14:17 Experimentonomen nite dood
14:18 BitViper Experimentonomen : just sweet talk mother nature, she ships for free
14:20 Experimentonomen u cannot control mother nature :P
14:20 BitViper Experimentonomen : thus the need to sweet talk LOL
14:21 BitViper rotfl : mother nature is like most women ... you cant control them, you can only clean up after them
14:22 Experimentonomen we are the borg, resistance is futile
14:24 * einball rides the train to university. byebye
14:24 Experimentonomen cya
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14:26 Andyroo *waves*
14:27 * Andyroo watches the tumbleweeds roll by.
14:28 Andyroo Quiet, isn't it? :)
14:28 Andyroo Ah well, I may as well just talk to botsteve. Hi botsteve!
14:28 Andyroo *ahem*
14:28 Andyroo Hi, BotSteve
14:29 Andyroo :'(
14:29 Andyroo .tfw Ayr, UK
14:29 BotSteve 41 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Ayr, South Ayrshire, !  'OH NO. THE WEATHER MACHINE IS BROKEN.'
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14:30 Andyroo Hi Experimentonomen :)
14:31 tonsofpcs .tfw 13850
14:31 BotSteve 32 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Vestal, NY!  'Keep track of your local old people.'
14:32 tonsofpcs nursing home is down the street, don't worry
14:32 Andyroo A bitter cold wind, be sure to wrap up :O
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14:33 Andyroo .t 49504
14:33 BotSteve Tue, 12 Sep 2017 06:33:41 49504
14:33 Andyroo Everyone must still be in bed then :)
14:34 Andyroo Also it's 5 years in the future in Grand Rapids???? That timestamp must be broken :O
14:35 Andyroo Oh, that's using 49504 as an actual time reference, rather than a zipcode? /confuse
14:37 Andyroo For your viewing pleasure! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfCQt6TTms
14:37 BotSteve Title: M1 - Crab Nebula - Deep Sky Videos - YouTube
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14:48 yNos .t grr
14:48 BotSteve yNos: Sorry, I don't know about the 'grr' timezone.
14:49 yNos .t edt
14:49 BotSteve Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:49:03 EDT
14:49 yNos .t tgg
14:49 BotSteve Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:49:08 TGG
14:49 BitViper its not edt its est
14:49 yNos it doesnt auto adjust?
14:49 BitViper both of those are off, its 9:50 currently
14:50 * Hackfox is cleaning his gmail
14:50 Hackfox I had 2058 emails
14:50 yNos edt should adjust for dst..
14:50 yNos leave est for those states who dont want to confuse the millk cows.
14:51 BitViper nope, the xdx timezones are their own settings, but your way does sorta make sense
14:54 yNos we need to make a saltwater resistive load for some catV testing...
14:54 yNos and find a 1 ohm shunt... i thought i had one in the basement here.
14:54 yNos but no.
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15:01 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
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15:05 Seroster^Away Morning
15:05 BotSteve seroster: I have the following messages for you:
15:05 BotSteve At 08:28Z, Thermoelectric asked me to tell seroster IRC box is done now, should be around all the time again. :)
15:05 * angy fondles Seroster
15:05 Seroster BotSteve: tell Thermoelectric YAAAAY
15:05 BotSteve Seroster: I'll pass that on when Thermoelectric is around.
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15:07 ajcc hey
15:09 Seroster Hejsan din fule fan =)
15:10 ajcc hmm, so you're doing Swedish @ #thegeekgroup today?
15:10 yNos Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?
15:10 yNos See the løveli lakes
15:10 yNos The wonderful telephøne system
15:11 yNos And mani interesting furry animals
15:11 yNos Including the majestic møøse
15:11 yNos A Møøse once bit my sister ...
15:13 * yNos watched the holy grail with his daughter last weekend.
15:13 ajcc Ø is the Danish version of the Swedish Ö, Æ is their version of Å
15:14 yNos http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/monty.htm
15:14 BotSteve Title: MOOSE ON FILM (MONTY PYTHON)
15:15 ajcc damn you Britts!
15:15 ajcc and damn you american-italian ice-cream makers, we have no letter ü!
15:19 ajcc Oh, and the scandinavian looking "Häagen-Dazs", yeah, Germany is not a part of Scandinavia...
15:22 yNos its all marketing.
15:24 ajcc well, no one likes marketing people :)
15:27 Seroster Lol.
15:27 Seroster ajcc, you jackass.
15:27 Seroster AE is not their version of Å. AE is their version of Ä
15:27 Seroster Swedish Å and danish/norwegian Å are the same.
15:27 Seroster Except for their location in the alphabet.
15:29 Coderjoe we need to stop with all these silly letters and stuff (like hangul or kanji or the like) and just start using IPA
15:29 angy Yay! indian pale ale :p
15:30 Coderjoe nein
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15:40 ajprog_laptop yNos: bc1 isn't pulling an ip address
15:40 angy hello ajprog_laptop
15:40 ajprog_laptop hi angy
15:41 angy how're you?
15:41 ajprog_laptop ok
15:41 ajprog_laptop trying to get another bluecherry machine up and running
15:42 azop \o/
15:44 MoxieMike \m/
15:44 * Hackfox is down from 2058 emails to 507
15:51 ajcc Seroster: it was a typo
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15:52 MV yar
15:52 Maglinvinn what is up party people
15:52 killakee hi maglin :)
15:52 MoxieMike the sun
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15:59 Druidic_Rifleman I think i am gonna do some wood working today
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16:03 angy hello lovely islander!
16:04 tlockley hey angy, hows france?
16:04 angy rainy and quite cold, how's the island?
16:04 tlockley first snow all january
16:04 tlockley and will soon turn to rain at this temperature
16:05 tlockley .weather 02554
16:05 BotSteve LFPK: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
16:05 tlockley .weather kack
16:05 BotSteve Overcast ☁, 30.2℉ (-1℃), 30.23in (1020mb), Light Snow, Light breeze 6kt (↑) - KACK, 15:53Z
16:05 angy bad winter then
16:05 tlockley no, it just never snows on nantucket
16:05 tlockley it has to do with the ocean and stuff that im not very familiar with
16:05 tlockley but basically its always cold and wet here in the winter
16:05 angy Yeah, ocean act like a thermostat.
16:06 angy it's the same in our nearly island in France (beach house that is)
16:06 tlockley so instead im in my basement learning about cesium fountain atomic clocks
16:06 angy that's a good think to do as well
16:10 * Hackfox just filled up his zippo with camp stove fuel
16:17 tlockley why so Hackfox
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16:19 * Andyroo waves
16:19 tlockley hello Andyroo
16:20 * SparkyProjects waves back
16:20 Hackfox tlockley, it's the same chemical as lighter fluid
16:20 Andyroo hi tlockley, hi SparkyProjects, all well?
16:20 tlockley ah
16:20 Hackfox naphtha
16:20 tlockley yep
16:22 Andyroo .t tgg
16:22 BotSteve Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:22:57 TGG
16:23 Andyroo Lunch time and the mdh is deserted? :O
16:23 tlockley people dont really show up till like 1 or 2
16:24 Andyroo Ooh, wonder if in the grand scheme of things, bocsy can interface with the audio feed, and announce card swipes of members entering and leaving :D
16:25 MoxieMike that would be an interesting feature
16:25 Andyroo Kind of creepy when you chew on the possibilities... "Bocsy, tell me the location of *member name here*"
16:25 Andyroo "*member* is in the MDH"
16:26 Andyroo "show me camera feed x"
16:26 Andyroo It's like living in the future!
16:26 Andyroo TGG: Voyeur's Paradise :D
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16:28 MoxieMike it just means that it can be done
16:29 ajprog_laptop azop: are you around?
16:29 tlockley hey jeff
16:29 ajprog_laptop hi tlockley
16:29 azop Kinda...on my phone
16:29 tlockley whats new today?
16:29 Hackfox I might need to stop playing with this zippo
16:29 * Hackfox is getting lightheaded
16:30 ajprog_laptop setting up the second bluecherry card, I install bluecherry first but I forgot to setup the db, so I uninstalled it and reinstalled it, but when I connect the client, I still get the "can't find db" message
16:31 yNos :D
16:32 azop ajprog_laptop: Hrm...try dpkg-reconfigure bluecherry
16:32 ajprog_laptop yNos: bc1 isn't pulling an ip address
16:32 yNos what version of ubuntu?
16:32 yNos its not?
16:32 yNos hrm.
16:32 azop You might have to add -phigh to that line
16:32 ajprog_laptop and the cam port I setup the other day isn't either
16:33 yNos ajprog_laptop: try dhcp again..
16:34 ajprog_laptop azop: that just gives mysql errors because the tables already exist
16:35 azop Okay
16:35 yNos log in mysql as root
16:35 yNos drop table TABLENAME ;
16:35 azop ajprog_laptop: The simplest would be to do what ynos said
16:35 yNos overkill?
16:35 ajprog_laptop azop: I check the conf file and it is correct
16:35 Andyroo "Little Bobby tables we call him"
16:36 azop Err
16:36 azop Wait.
16:36 azop The database already exists?
16:36 yNos on a fresh install?
16:37 tlockley does the BC user have permission in mysql?
16:37 azop Are the settings in /etc/bluecherry.conf correct?
16:37 ajprog_laptop azop: I check the bluecherry.log and it says it has an SQL connection
16:37 yNos If we have open pci slots, why not put the card in the current bc server ?
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16:37 ajprog_laptop yes
16:38 ajprog_laptop yNos: because chris says not to
16:38 tlockley single point of failure?
16:39 yNos we dont have a camera switcher to move them over to the other bc card, so no matter what it is a SPOF
16:39 tlockley but if one server goes down there is still half a functioning system no?
16:39 azop ajprog_laptop: If you still have problems after checking that config file let me know...I'll be back in 25 mins
16:40 dbshortwave nomnomnomnom
16:40 ajprog_laptop azop: already checked, and it is correct
16:40 yNos i can take a look at it when i get down there today.
16:40 yNos my meetings were cancelled for tonight.
16:41 ajprog_laptop azop: I hit apply on the "add server" screen to reconnect to the server, and it just stays at "Connecting to server..."
16:41 yNos can you browse to the web interface?
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16:43 Monkeh SparkyProjects: I've got a video idea for you.
16:43 ajprog_laptop where is it at, I get the default apache page
16:44 azop https://hostname:7001
16:44 azop Brb
16:44 yNos thanks.. i was googling it ;)
16:44 yNos couldnt remember off hand
16:44 SparkyProjects Monkeh, what's the idea ?
16:44 ajprog_laptop azop: Fatal error: could not connect to the database:
16:45 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Breaking characteristics of various types of fuse.
16:45 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Complete with gratuitous exploding fuse shots. ;)
16:45 yNos from a command line..
16:46 yNos mysql -u bcUsername -p
16:46 yNos then the password you set
16:46 SparkyProjects Most of that can be seen on a table, and most fuses only blow internally, it's not very visual
16:48 ajprog_laptop I can connect just fine
16:49 wannabe-afk BitViper: no, no more snow here.  you can have mine tho!
16:49 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Most people don't get to see just what happens if an open or glass fuse goes on a dead short
16:49 angy ajprog_laptop: activate mysql debug log and tail them when trying to access the application
16:50 ajprog_laptop angy: how do I activate the log?
16:50 angy general_log_file in my.cnf
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16:50 angy most likely, you have the line "general_log_file        = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log" already in it
16:50 angy just uncomment it and restart mysql
16:50 wannabe1987 they stole my tooth, and gave me a filling in the other tooth :D
16:51 wannabe1987 and confirmed my wisdom tooth on the other side *is* coming in
16:51 Monkeh Argh, dentists
16:51 angy that will log all auth and all SQL request, so you will be able to track where is the problem if not for credentials
16:51 wannabe1987 but, it only cost 20USD
16:51 wannabe1987 w/o insurance
16:52 * Andyroo gets all dental work undertaken free on the national health service
16:52 Andyroo UK Gov't ftw :P
16:52 wannabe1987 yeah, wall, shut up
16:52 wannabe1987 i got to a clinic for under/un insured people
16:52 SparkyProjects Monkeh, i'll think about it, but if we are talking about comparison of characteristics, HRC fuses would be hard to compare
16:52 angy Andyroo: it's not free, you will be billed, just you have an insurance that covers it
16:52 Monkeh Andyroo: Not quite free
16:53 Andyroo Well, true, I've paid National Insurance.
16:53 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Also, can you provide 10kA on a dead short? :)
16:53 SparkyProjects Unlikely
16:53 Monkeh Shame
16:53 ajprog_laptop Access denied for user 'bluecherry'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
16:54 angy there is your problem!
16:54 Monkeh ajprog_laptop: It helps if it uses the password!
16:54 SparkyProjects I don't know if this house has 60, 80, 0r 100A service fuse
16:54 SparkyProjects Ot's old
16:54 Monkeh SparkyProjects: I'm on 100A but the fault current is only about 3.5kA here iirc.
16:54 Monkeh Not enough to break MCBs
16:55 ajprog_laptop Monkeh I know, but first there is no place to set that, and it does connect on the following line
16:55 Andyroo I have a possibly ridiculous question. Voltage is 240V out the plug here (or 220, can't quite remember)... Now, I understand what RMS is. Is the 240 RMS, or is that peak voltage? And is there also as a consequence RMS amperage? Or am I joining the dots the wrong way? :O
16:55 Monkeh Andyroo: RMS.
16:55 dr_jkl yes.
16:56 dr_jkl my magstripe reader is here
16:56 Monkeh Andyroo: Peak would be about 340V
16:56 * dr_jkl starts coding a new magstripe login system
16:56 wannabe1987 o.O  dr_jkl is on irc during the day!
16:56 Andyroo That high? cool :)   Also huzzah, how many cards out your wallet have you scanned so far today dr_jkl ? :D
16:57 dr_jkl yup i dont work for a few more hour
16:57 dr_jkl s
16:57 wannabe1987 its really hard to apply chapstick and then smear your lips together when your lip is puffy
16:57 wannabe1987 cool
16:57 Monkeh Andyroo: If it's 230V (possible if the supply is very recent or there's been a transformer failure) the peak will be 325V
16:57 wannabe1987 i work around 2....
16:57 dr_jkl i also have sunday-tuessday off this week so i'll be getting lots of coding done
16:57 dr_jkl heh, Andyroo.. two.
16:57 dr_jkl this just doesn't get old
16:57 Andyroo :D
16:57 dr_jkl *swipe* *beep!* *cackle*
16:57 Monkeh wannabe1987: Had a tooth pulled?
16:57 wannabe1987 and a filling.
16:57 Monkeh wannabe1987: That's gonna hurt soon.
16:58 wannabe1987 and found out i infact actually do have wisdom teeth :D
16:58 BitViper had a filling pulled ??
16:58 wannabe1987 no, a tooth pulled, filling done on tooth next to it
16:58 Andyroo Now sprinkle iron filings to see the pretty patterns!
16:58 BitViper meh, not only do i have wisdom teeth, i have spares too.
16:58 wannabe1987 next visit: working on the teeth on the other side
16:58 dr_jkl LOL no
16:59 Monkeh wannabe1987: I got three pulled in one go. Boy was that a sore day.
16:59 wannabe1987 i've had 5 pulled in a day
16:59 wannabe1987 i'm a pro
16:59 Monkeh eep.
16:59 angy coding szipe card is very fun
16:59 wannabe1987 BitViper: i'm loosing teeth semirapidly, so i need all the teeth i can get
16:59 Sgt_Lemming http://hothardware.com/newsimages/item20028/big_intel-supermicro-ces-3.jpg <----- mmmm, do want
17:00 Andyroo Only thing I'm losing is hair density. A curse on my male hereditary line D:
17:00 wannabe1987 poor andy
17:00 Sgt_Lemming eh, my grandad died at 86 with a full head of hair
17:00 Andyroo 27 and my forehead is getting larger so soon :(
17:00 * yNos can relate
17:00 BitViper the last two teeth ive had pulled have had to be drilled into several peices and then pried out with a tree-sized crowbar
17:00 Sgt_Lemming 29 and my forehead is the same size as always :-P
17:01 Monkeh BitViper: Or at least that's what it feels like :D
17:01 BitViper Monkeh : well, it wasnt the little tiny toothpick lever they would normally use. the one tooth the doc faught with for at least half an hour
17:02 Monkeh BitViper: They just went right in with a very large pair of pliers on me.
17:02 BitViper heh, they tried several of those for me, both before and after cutting the tooth into peices
17:02 Monkeh No fun.
17:02 yNos ajprog_laptop: figure out how to log in yet?
17:03 ajprog_laptop yNos: ?????
17:03 BitViper i was waiting for em to get out the jaws of life for the last one
17:03 yNos log in to mysql.
17:03 Monkeh BitViper: Nah, they just get a hammer and twat you with it if it comes to that.
17:03 Andyroo I wonder if years of putting on and taking off a motorcycle helmet has helped rub out a few extra hair cells? Hmph. Done myself no favours there then
17:03 Monkeh BitViper: Get rid of all of them and save themselves the trouble
17:03 ajprog_laptop yNos: I did that 10min ago
17:03 yNos ah
17:03 BitViper Monkeh : im actualy considering having them do that anyway, although not with a hammer
17:03 Monkeh yNos: What, been too busy polishing your forehead? :P
17:04 yNos am working on ldap stuff.. so my focus is elsewhere..
17:04 angy yNos: somewhere close to Titan or Mars?
17:04 yNos yah..
17:04 angy I though I passed it on the way back
17:04 yNos i need to find some lunch..
17:04 Andyroo Postman arrived with my ejuice, so happy, now swimming on a cloud of nicotine vapour :)
17:05 yNos you buy premix or do you diy?
17:06 Andyroo Premix. 10ml bottles. Usually menthol, but trying some new flavours this time
17:06 wannabe1987 ooo
17:07 Andyroo Wouldn't know where to start with DIY really, although it would be fun to experiment
17:07 wannabe1987 flavours.  is that like flavors?
17:07 yNos if yer lazy, i guess!
17:07 yNos :P
17:07 yNos figured i'd beat a brit to it..
17:07 Andyroo :D
17:08 Andyroo Queen's English, use all the letters you want mate ;)
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17:09 maglinvinn ok
17:09 yNos DEakin!
17:09 Andyroo Aluminium has 2 fucking i's in it though! D:<  Alloo-min-yum! Easy peasy :P
17:09 maglinvinn way weird question
17:09 mashpriborintorg hiya
17:09 maglinvinn What are the inside dimensions of a plastic 2 gang electrical box
17:09 yNos 2.5x4?
17:09 yNos iirc...
17:09 wannabe1987 hi maglinvinn, mashpriborintorg
17:09 maglinvinn how deep
17:10 maglinvinn i need to determine if i can stuff all the electronics for a project into one
17:10 yNos dunno.. grab a regular screwdrive, a *wooden o plastic* ruler and measure one..
17:10 maglinvinn i don't have a 2gang here at work...
17:10 yNos no?
17:10 maglinvinn <- kinda derpin aroud on a side proejct
17:10 maglinvinn heh
17:10 angy and time to move around. see ya!
17:10 yNos there isnt one in your building?
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17:11 maglinvinn lul.  i'll ask paul, but i'm pretty sure if there's one in the building, its in use
17:11 maglinvinn lol.
17:11 wannabe1987 wb niobe
17:11 mashpriborintorg I've found a microwave and I'm thinking about re-wiring the mot for low voltage hi-current experiments, less chances it kills me than hi voltage
17:11 yNos use a non-conductive tape and measure one that is in use..
17:11 yNos if all you want is the dimensions.
17:12 maglinvinn heh.  yeah.  thats all i want.  google has failed me
17:12 maglinvinn now i just need to find one
17:12 Andyroo For your viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfCQt6TTms
17:12 BotSteve Title: M1 - Crab Nebula - Deep Sky Videos - YouTube
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17:12 maglinvinn and oh, our building is all steel stud, so i probably wont' find a plastic style one that'll be like the kind i'll be using
17:12 maglinvinn http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/content/products/ProductDetail.asp?qsCatID=24612&amp;qsProductNo=CARB232A-UPC
17:12 BotSteve Title: Plastic 32 Cubic 2 Gang Wall Case With Nails - CARB232A-UPC | Wholesale Electrical Supply Company
17:12 maglinvinn i found this
17:12 maglinvinn but its only saying 32cubic inches
17:13 maglinvinn i need the actual dimensions
17:13 Wombbatts blue plastic type or the gray outdoor plastic type of box?
17:13 maglinvinn blue plastic, like in my link
17:13 maglinvinn internal/inside the house
17:14 yNos 4.size:10.40x10.40x4.40cm
17:14 yNos http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/520143755/Yiwu_No_1_pvc_outlet_box.html
17:14 BotSteve Title: Yiwu No.1 pvc outlet box electrical outlet box JM-UB02P products, buy Yiwu No.1 pvc outlet box electrical outlet box JM-UB02P products from alibaba.com
17:15 maglinvinn oh, sweet.  it'd only be better if it had the nails, but i can work with that one
17:15 yNos lol
17:15 Monkeh maglinvinn: 3" deep, 4x3.75"
17:15 Monkeh maglinvinn: For the captive type you linked
17:16 maglinvinn groovy
17:16 maglinvinn i got a couple reference points
17:16 Monkeh Not sure if that's including those wing things though
17:17 azop ajprog_laptop: did you figure it out?
17:17 Wombbatts http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=Zip%20Box%20Blue%20Outlet%20and%20Switch%20Boxes&amp;tn=1 may be of some use, they are carlon brand and there are some dimensional drawings
17:17 BotSteve Title: My Image Gallery
17:18 maglinvinn well, it gives me a reference point to work from until i just go buy one
17:18 azop ajprog_laptop: if not, the easiest thing since this is a new install would probably be to run 'drop database bluecherry;' in mysql and then run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh bluecherry
17:18 Monkeh maglinvinn: I think the actual box is 4x2.
17:19 maglinvinn long story short, i'm working on a project.  a home automation project.   in this box i need to stuff 120v in, 5v transformer, arduino mega, rs485 interface, 5vcoil 120v contact relay (15 amp) (maybe a couple more) and a temp sensor input.  On top of that i'm putting a 2.8in TFT Touch screen, and maybe some capacitive touch buttons into a 2 switch box cover that i cut up a bit to let the screen show through.
17:19 maglinvinn its a lot of shit
17:19 maglinvinn but i think i can pull it off.
17:20 maglinvinn the goal is to have a startrek inspired touchpanel interface in each room for the lights and for key outlets
17:20 BitViper maglinvinn that'd be swet
17:20 BitViper *sweet
17:20 yNos no rfid?
17:20 yNos pfft..slacker
17:20 yNos :P
17:20 maglinvinn the devices will work free of the rs485 interface, but with it the light can be switched from the center processor
17:20 maglinvinn LOL. i could put RFID in it if i wanted, but i'm trying to obey the demands of the budget
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17:21 maglinvinn the center processor will prolly be a 72mhz fez, and will accept inputs from security, lighting, power, hvac
17:21 maglinvinn and be connected to the network and have SMS capacities
17:22 ajprog_laptop azop: what is the difference between that and uninstalling  and reinstalling it?
17:22 reesk one names it go poof
17:22 ajprog_laptop I have reinstalled it three times
17:22 azop ajprog_laptop: uninstalling won't drop the database, even with --purge
17:22 reesk one keeps it there
17:22 wannabe1987 fun.  weathers gonna be in the teens by evening, and overnight wind chills below zero :P
17:22 reesk well patches it up
17:22 wannabe1987 driving home tonight will suck
17:22 ajprog_laptop that is an option on uninstall
17:22 ajprog_laptop azop: so yes it does
17:23 maglinvinn right now i'm trying to figure out a 120v-5v power transformer thats ITTY bitty, i dont' even need 500mA.
17:23 reesk basically there saying if its fucked up you can try reinstalling to fix
17:23 reesk if you want it gone just uninstall
17:23 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, sif not use an SMPS module
17:23 maglinvinn SMPS?
17:23 Sgt_Lemming Switch Mode Power Supply
17:24 azop ajprog_laptop: is the database gone after you click 'yes' when you remove it?
17:25 ajprog_laptop it must be, because I don't get the db error when I install it
17:25 maglinvinn http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=52R7555&amp;CMP=AFC-GB100000001
17:25 reesk what is that on the live stream i thought it was the police but now im unsure sound like a taxi
17:25 BotSteve Title: MYRRA|74001|TRANSFORMER, EE16 6W | Newark.com
17:25 maglinvinn i found this little guy, it and the relay are the largest components.
17:25 BitViper reesk, police, fire, taxi, and ham radio
17:25 reesk all at the same time
17:25 maglinvinn with the screw down headers being second largest
17:25 yNos http://www.diybin.com/products/Seeedstudio-Electronic-Brick-125Khz-RFID-Card-Reader.html
17:25 BotSteve Title: Seeedstudio Electronic Brick 125Khz RFID Card Reader
17:25 reesk that sounds hectic
17:25 yNos $16
17:25 azop ajprog_laptop: okay, so is the problem fixed now that you reinstalled it?
17:25 BitViper reesk : whatever comes across the scanner
17:26 maglinvinn sweet...
17:26 Seroster Hm
17:26 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, you need
17:26 reesk how can scanners listen to evrything
17:26 Sgt_Lemming AC or DC?
17:26 Andyroo Looking forward to the ham radio videos that are being planned.
17:26 wannabe1987 i found somoene selling girl scout cookies :D
17:26 ajprog_laptop azop nope
17:26 ajprog_laptop still the same problem
17:26 Wombbatts is it a snow day at tgg live vid feed seems well lonely
17:26 BitViper reesk : they scan across a range of frequencys until they hear something
17:26 azop ajprog_laptop: which is what exactly?
17:27 azop ajprog_laptop: are you on a Windows or Linux box at the moment connecting to the server?
17:27 reesk but lets aying its listening to frequency a can it pick up frequency b
17:27 maglinvinn DC
17:27 ajprog_laptop azop all logs look correct (even the mysql debug log) but it says it can't connect to the db, even though I can see it is
17:27 maglinvinn i can rectify it with some small diodes
17:27 wannabe1987 .c feet in a mile
17:27 BotSteve 5280 feet
17:27 wannabe1987 o.o
17:27 reesk or only whats on the frequency it was scanning at that point
17:27 ajprog_laptop azop: ubuntu
17:27 Andyroo .c boxes of cat5 in a mile
17:27 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
17:27 SparkyProjects reesk, a scanner is a receiver that scans the frequencies, when it finds a signal it locks on for the amount of time the signal exists, when the signal dies it continues scanning
17:27 Andyroo yet!
17:27 BitViper reesk : well yeah, it can only listen to and play one freq at a time
17:27 wannabe1987 Andyroo: most box has 500 ft in it....
17:27 reesk ooh
17:27 reesk fire
17:28 reesk ocupants are ok
17:28 reesk yay
17:28 yNos wannabe1987 Andyroo or 100ft
17:28 azop ajprog_laptop: I can login remotely and look at it, either with SSH or with a remote support tool (it would require installing default-jre on your computer)
17:28 wannabe1987 so how many boxes was it?
17:28 Andyroo apart from those metricated boxes :D
17:28 yNos i will be in in a couple hours, i can take care of it then.
17:28 yNos unless it needs to be done now.
17:28 Monkeh maglinvinn: I doubt you'll find much of anything smaller than that transformer
17:28 BitViper reesk : if you want something even more fun, research software defined radios ... they can actually listen to an entire range of frequencies simultaneously (in theory)
17:28 yNos ajprog_laptop: ^
17:28 reesk is there any onlie services i wouldnt mind listening to gr police fire and rescue for a while
17:28 azop it sounds like the problem is in bluecherry.conf
17:29 maglinvinn yeah, i've added that transformer to the list
17:29 reesk just that though no taxi shit
17:29 maglinvinn now i need a way to switch the lights in the room
17:29 reesk there banter is just boring
17:29 ajprog_laptop yNos: I don't care
17:29 maglinvinn i'd like to go with a 5v coil, 120v15a contact relay thats PCB
17:29 BitViper reesk : hey now, i drove taxi for a while =P
17:29 maglinvinn yet small enough to fit in my little box.
17:29 maglinvinn lol.
17:29 reesk and your telling me you had much interesting to say
17:29 Andyroo reesk it can be interesting, sometimes grizzly, earlier they were reporting some lady coughing blood after an operation :O
17:29 reesk meh
17:29 BitViper reesk : um, ok, ya got me there LOL
17:30 reesk now what would be cool
17:30 reesk drive outside tgg
17:30 reesk and tune into a frequency and fuck about with the scanner
17:30 Monkeh maglinvinn: That should be possible.
17:30 maglinvinn having trouble finding it...  but yeah
17:30 reesk thats 1573
17:30 maglinvinn brb boss man
17:30 reesk wwhats
17:31 Andyroo reesk, bitviper, Scottish taxi chatter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s977oyAclKI :D
17:31 BotSteve Title: Taxi Controller - Ma wee chico - YouTube
17:31 JA12 .c 500 ft to m
17:31 yNos reesk: are you thinking of something like SkyCommand?
17:31 BotSteve 152.4 meters
17:31 reesk idk
17:31 reesk someone just said 1573 in the basement
17:32 Andyroo Wonder what botsteve's limits are...
17:32 Andyroo .c 500 ft to parsec
17:32 BotSteve 4.93894337 × 10^(-15) Parsecs
17:32 Andyroo yaay
17:32 yNos Andyroo: it is google calculator
17:32 Andyroo aw, you science'd all the magic away yNos :(
17:32 reesk http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.radio.code.html WTF
17:32 BotSteve Title: Police Radio Codes
17:33 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, how much power you need?
17:33 Sgt_Lemming 100ma enough?
17:33 reesk i never rememebrd the phronetic alphabet being that
17:33 wannabe1987 Andyroo: thats pretty much what they do
17:33 wannabe1987 hi JA12
17:33 JA12 hey wannabe1987
17:33 reesk alpha bravo charlie delta foxtrot ect
17:33 reesk this has names
17:34 reesk LOLZ
17:34 reesk someone tapped my buss to make me stop
17:34 reesk and i said noa dn kept on going
17:35 maglinvinn negative - 15 amps
17:35 maglinvinn worst case scenario stuff
17:35 wannabe1987 time to eat
17:35 maglinvinn the relay is switching lights in a house.  granted, you'd have to have approx 15 100w lightbulbs on the switch, but shit happens
17:36 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, negative 15 amps?
17:36 reesk wth was that
17:36 Sgt_Lemming you can't have negative amperage...
17:36 reesk some robot said the time
17:36 maglinvinn no no, i was answering 'negative' to your question, then correcting the value
17:36 Monkeh maglinvinn: This look right? http://www.newark.com/panasonic-ew/adj23005/power-relay-5vdc-16a-spst-no-pcb/dp/12N3389
17:36 * maglinvinn uses affirmative and negative instead of yes/no occasionally
17:36 maglinvinn haha
17:36 BotSteve Title: PANASONIC EW|ADJ23005|POWER RELAY, 5VDC, 16A, SPST-NO | Newark.com
17:36 Sgt_Lemming for the 5v supply?
17:36 Sgt_Lemming you need 15a?
17:36 reesk this is just to much fun
17:36 Monkeh maglinvinn: 16A 250VAC, 5VDC coil.
17:37 maglinvinn yup.  that'd do it, i wish the price wasn't so horrid
17:37 maglinvinn Sgt - no
17:37 SparkyProjects reesk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
17:37 BotSteve Title: NATO phonetic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:37 maglinvinn the 5v is for the processor and rs485 parts
17:37 Sgt_Lemming would 100mA be enough on the 5v line?
17:37 Sgt_Lemming or 200mA?
17:37 maglinvinn the processor switches the relay, which switches the lights
17:37 reesk yeah that the one i use
17:37 reesk http://www.hamsphere.com/
17:37 BotSteve Title: HamSphere - Ham Radio Software
17:37 reesk im so trying this
17:37 maglinvinn 100 mA would be excessively enough
17:37 maglinvinn lol.
17:37 Monkeh maglinvinn: There are cheaper ones.
17:38 maglinvinn i have one atmega1280, rs485 rec/trans chip, temp sensor, 5v coil, 5v LCD screen
17:38 maglinvinn basically, a color IPOD w/ a relay
17:38 Sgt_Lemming http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/BP5034D5/BP5034D5-ND/658551 <--- 5v 100ma SMPS module, 80 - 138VAC input, $6.25
17:38 Monkeh maglinvinn: The relay is about 50mA alone, mind
17:38 BotSteve Title: Digi-Key - BP5034D5-ND (Manufacturer - BP5034D5)
17:38 Wombbatts have you considered a triac instead of a relay?
17:39 maglinvinn i have considered it womb, but having never worked with one, i was kind of avoiding it
17:39 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, a solid state relay is another good option
17:39 yNos http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=solid+state+relay&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;tbm=shop&amp;cid=3261745526927633428&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=U1UYT4rpGoOl2AXHi-nxCw&amp;ved=0CKkBEPMCMAQ
17:39 BotSteve Title: Omron G3NA-210B-DC5-24 RELAY, Solid State
17:39 Sgt_Lemming basically a triac with built in zero crossing driver
17:39 yNos Sgt_Lemming: my thoughts exactly.
17:40 wannabe1987 BotSteve: will my coworkers be nice to me today?
17:40 BotSteve Absolutely
17:40 wannabe1987 awesome, thanks BotSteve :D
17:40 wannabe1987 Thanks BotSteve
17:40 BotSteve No problem, wannabe1987
17:40 Sgt_Lemming yNos, working on a board atm for an RFID based lock out system for power tools
17:40 yNos nice
17:40 Sgt_Lemming something we are implementing at our hackerspace
17:40 yNos we need a crapload of SSRs for boxee
17:40 maglinvinn i think i'm going to stay w/ the relay for 'simplicity' but gah if i wouldn't love to see it cheaper.
17:41 Sgt_Lemming how much is the relay?
17:41 yNos how much $ is your relay?
17:41 yNos lol
17:41 Sgt_Lemming $13
17:41 maglinvinn 16ea + shipping
17:41 yNos the SSRs linked above at $10
17:41 yNos per
17:41 Sgt_Lemming check digikey maglinvinn, should be able to drop that price a few dollars
17:41 Monkeh maglinvinn: Is this more affordable: http://www.newark.com/panasonic-ew/ale12b05/power-relay-5vdc-16a-spst-no-pcb/dp/11N0694
17:41 BotSteve Title: PANASONIC EW|ALE12B05|POWER RELAY, 5VDC, 16A, SPST-NO | Newark.com
17:43 maglinvinn thats hugely better monkey
17:43 Monkeh maglinvinn: You need to check they're suitable for inductive loads, mind.
17:44 maglinvinn oh crap, you're right
17:44 yNos for lights?
17:44 maglinvinn for outlets
17:44 yNos ah
17:44 Monkeh For lights, too.
17:44 JA12 if the max current you need it to handle is 15A then would it be better to oversize the relay, more than 16A?
17:44 maglinvinn incadesent lights are not inductive?
17:44 yNos correct.
17:44 Monkeh One word: Fluorescent.
17:44 maglinvinn 15 is the break JA12
17:45 maglinvinn these are in each room of hte house
17:45 yNos flourecents are though..
17:45 JA12 maglinvinn: oh ok
17:45 maglinvinn 15 100w bulbs, that'd be the break point.  can you see 15 bulbs in one room?
17:45 Sgt_Lemming JA12, it's a good idea to oversize components when dealing with high wattage stuff
17:45 maglinvinn the most i've seen on the light switch is 6, in a overhead fan
17:45 yNos well.. not all flourecents are.. CFLs are not...
17:45 Monkeh maglinvinn: Only in the UK..
17:45 Monkeh yNos: HF stuff isn't. Ballasted stuff is.
17:45 yNos yup
17:46 maglinvinn how can i determine if its suited to inductive loads
17:46 Monkeh maglinvinn: Try the datasheet
17:46 yNos .tfw tgg
17:46 BotSteve 16 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND SNOWING IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'wang icicles.'
17:47 yNos botsteve: that doesnt happen till at least -10f
17:47 JA12 .c 16 f to c
17:47 BotSteve -8.88888889 degrees Celsius
17:47 Monkeh BotSteve: I don't want to know about your wang icicles.
17:47 JA12 it's -7C and windy in here
17:47 wannabe1987 BotSteve has a wang?
17:47 Monkeh wannabe1987: Apparently.
17:47 yNos it looks like florida
17:47 wannabe1987 his wang?
17:47 yNos most wangs..
17:47 wannabe1987 ood
17:48 wannabe1987 well, yes, i deal with them at work
17:48 maglinvinn 1. Supports magnetron and heater loads. Capable for switching magnetron and heater loads found in microwave ovens.
17:48 wannabe1987 does that mean the florida is usa's wang?
17:48 yNos yup
17:48 Monkeh maglinvinn: They're resistive loads
17:48 maglinvinn crap
17:48 wannabe1987 its full of old people.  does that mean its saggy?
17:48 maglinvinn whats the difference
17:49 JA12 maglinvinn: for inductive loads it's motors, solenoids...
17:49 yNos Monkeh: isnt a magnatron connected to an xfrmr, then then a switch.. then mains?
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17:49 yNos or is the switch between the mag and the xfrmr?
17:50 maglinvinn i know motors are inductive...  whats the difference between resistive and inductive
17:50 yNos either way.. there would be kickback..
17:50 maglinvinn and the kickback is what nuke's the relay right>
17:50 reesk well that just suckked
17:50 yNos yup
17:50 reesk i tryed out a difital ham radio and there was nothing good on ther
17:50 Monkeh maglinvinn: What nukes the relays is the frightening arcing on opening
17:50 yNos it welds the points..
17:51 maglinvinn oh.
17:51 maglinvinn shisa.
17:51 maglinvinn lol.
17:51 yNos on the break
17:51 maglinvinn is an inductive relay good for both
17:51 yNos yup
17:51 maglinvinn ok.
17:51 Sgt_Lemming maglinvinn, that SMPS module suit your purposes?
17:51 SparkyProjects You can put a snubber network across the contacts to reduce arcs
17:51 maglinvinn i've got it book marked, but i need to evaluate what my 5v needs are going to be.
17:52 Monkeh maglinvinn: At least 50mA for the relay, I'd say.
17:52 maglinvinn it'd work better, if it has the uhmph for my circuit.
17:52 maglinvinn yeah, i seem to remember the atmega was 3mA
17:52 maglinvinn or something small
17:52 Monkeh maglinvinn: Well, a quick google found a 20A relay which is suitable for inductive loads and not overly expensive: http://www.newark.com/panasonic-ew/jm1an-p-dc5v-f/jm-relay-cd-free/dp/11N5011?Ntt=JM1aN-P-DC5V-F
17:53 BotSteve Title: PANASONIC EW|JM1AN-P-DC5V-F|JM Relay (Cd-Free) | Newark.com
17:53 maglinvinn then you have the transmission requirements for the rs485 chips
17:53 yNos bah, doesnt take much to start a darlington :P
17:53 Monkeh maglinvinn: But you have to buy 50.
17:53 wannabe1987 ow
17:53 maglinvinn OUCH  lol.
17:53 JA12 maglinvinn: max current from atmega pins? 20mA iirc
17:53 maglinvinn yes JA
17:53 maglinvinn the backlight on my screen will have some draw too
17:54 Monkeh maglinvinn: You may be able to source them elsewhere
17:54 maglinvinn i bookmarked for that reason
17:54 maglinvinn cause you're aboslutely right
17:54 wannabe1987 what are "scallops"?
17:55 yNos .w scallops
17:55 BotSteve "A scallop ( /ˈskɒləp/ or /ˈskæləp/) is a marine bivalve mollusk of the family Pectinidae." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scallops
17:55 Monkeh wannabe1987: Mollusks.
17:55 wannabe1987 whats a mollusks?
17:55 yNos almost a bug.
17:55 yNos .w mollusk
17:55 BotSteve "The Mollusca (pronounced /məˈlʌskə/), common name molluscs or mollusks[note 1]| (pronounced /ˈmɒləsks/), is a large phylum of invertebrate animals." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollusk
17:55 maglinvinn well, i think i'm going to go with blade connections for the 120v in, and out
17:56 wannabe1987 .....phylum?
17:56 maglinvinn and rj11 ports for the rs485 feed/send
17:56 Monkeh wannabe1987: Like clams and oysters.
17:56 yNos maglinvinn: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/relay-circuit.gif
17:56 wannabe1987 i see.
17:56 maglinvinn oh, all my relays get diodes accross the coil no matter what
17:56 wannabe1987 bacon wrapped scallops.  i bet they're not cheap.
17:56 maglinvinn and i always darlington them
17:56 maglinvinn don't wanna loose the processor
17:57 wannabe1987 and why does my  mouth hurt after i took the gauze out and replaced it? :(
17:57 Monkeh wannabe1987: Sounds nice though.
17:57 Monkeh wannabe1987: Because it's going to hurt for a while. :)
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17:57 wannabe1987 yes.  i know.  i still have to go to work (soon), inservice today!  then a PAYCHECk
17:57 Monkeh wannabe1987: Paracetamol and ibuprofen.
17:58 wannabe1987 para-what?
17:58 Monkeh ..
17:58 wannabe1987 took motrin.....(ibuprofen) at 10:30
17:58 Monkeh Acetaminophen?
17:58 * maglinvinn time for lunch, back in about an hour
17:58 tlockley wannabe1987: if i get some scallops ill see if i can mail them to you
17:58 yNos same..
17:58 wannabe1987 bye guys
17:58 * yNos fires up the stove to make a hot samich
17:58 tlockley cya
17:58 wannabe1987 ooo really?
17:59 * wannabe1987 goes out into the cold for work :P
17:59 tlockley ill try. scallops is what nantucet is know for in the off season
17:59 wannabe1987 i see
17:59 wannabe1987 so they're not that expensive
17:59 Monkeh wannabe1987: Err.. Panadol (damn trade names)
18:00 wannabe1987 still never heard of it, and moms the nurse :/
18:00 MoxieMike nantucket was once known for whaling
18:00 tlockley people pay other people in scalops quite a bit out here
18:00 wannabe1987 tlockley: http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2012/01/bacon-wrapped-scallops-with-chili-butter/
18:00 BotSteve Title: Bacon-Wrapped Scallops with Chili Butter | The Pioneer Woman Cooks | Ree Drummond
18:00 Monkeh wannabe1987: Active ingredient in tylenol?
18:00 wannabe1987 acetimonophin
18:00 wannabe1987 i spelled that wrong :P
18:00 tlockley wannabe1987: very common here. My mom makes them all the time if we are going to a party or something
18:00 Monkeh wannabe1987: .. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
18:00 Monkeh wannabe1987: Also known (in the civilised world) as paracetamol.
18:01 wannabe1987 tylenol!  i don't like tylenol much....pills are a bit larger than i'd like to swallow, but i can bring some to work
18:01 Monkeh wannabe1987: Ibuprofen + paracetamol = best over the counter painkiller I've found.
18:02 wannabe1987 dad has some darvocet (?) but its a script :P
18:02 JA12 I know painkillers only by their trade names but ibuprofen I do know. took one this morning (in capsule form)
18:03 wannabe1987 only one?! o.O  i took 3 motrin in the dr office for jaw pain
18:03 JA12 I just had a nagging headache
18:03 wannabe1987 pain level is a dull 2 or 3
18:03 wannabe1987 i must leave now
18:03 wannabe1987 bbl
18:03 JA12 bye
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18:09 roadran422 Hello all!
18:09 BotSteve roadran422: I have the following messages for you:
18:09 BotSteve At 06:09Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell roadran422 to check facebook
18:10 roadran422 BotSteve: tell wannabe I feel sad :(
18:10 BotSteve roadran422: I'll pass that on when wannabe is around.
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18:11 JA12 http://www.literal.ly/_media/imgs/literal/L97334.jpg
18:11 Ponko ahh what a good day
18:14 roadran422 Hey
18:14 Wombbatts any chance that there is somebody involved with the security cameras at tgg on?
18:14 roadran422 JA12: That's weird.
18:14 JA12 facebook is
18:14 RageRiot crap
18:14 roadran422 :P
18:15 * RageRiot says as he sits there talikin on it
18:15 roadran422 Hahaha
18:16 Ponko lol RageRiot it IS crap
18:16 Ponko yet i'm on it too lol
18:16 roadran422 *him
18:17 Ponko anyway
18:17 roadran422 Hahahaha
18:17 Ponko .g Terroca get hammered
18:17 BotSteve Ponko: http://www.flowerpotheaven.com/Garden-urns.htm
18:17 RageRiot on similar topic: I'm trying to persuade a mate to come back to IRC
18:17 Ponko omg
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18:18 RageRiot he's not chatted on it for a while and I've just started using it again
18:20 JA12 :) http://www.literal.ly/default_15_0_datetime.aspx there's rust-oleum too
18:20 BotSteve Title: Literal.ly | Pictures Taken Literally - Page 15
18:22 roadran422 Isn't cntrl-z undo?
18:23 JA12 yup
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18:23 roadran422 Why is it an eraser then?
18:23 JA12 undo what you just wrote?
18:24 roadran422 Well.... No....
18:24 roadran422 I guess...
18:24 roadran422 It doesn't work if you erased half a word and want it back... You can't do that with an eraser?
18:25 JA12 you're thinking it too far. it's not a digital eraser. it's rubber with abrasive in it =)
18:26 roadran422 :P
18:28 JA12 btw. did you know that you can copy text with ctrl+insert and paste it with shift+insert?
18:29 JA12 I just don't remember where that comes from and why that combo still exists
18:30 roadran422 ...
18:30 roadran422 Never knew that
18:31 Wombbatts and cut with shift-delete
18:31 roadran422 ...
18:31 roadran422 Wow
18:32 Lwq-School hey roadran what time is it where u live
18:32 roadran422 Lwq-School: If you are wondering, I'm out so early because we have exams today and we only have 2 classes, so it gets out early.
18:33 roadran422 And it's 1:32 in Florida and I go to HS
18:33 Lwq-School lol ok just wondering and thought u might of been skiping school :P
18:33 roadran422 :P No
18:34 Wombbatts i used to live on cocoa beach and melbourne, what part of florida?
18:34 roadran422 I went to school, and I wouldn't be the dumbass to skip exams
18:34 Wombbatts *in
18:34 roadran422 Bradenton Wombbatts
18:34 roadran422 If you read speach, the wombats were in there xD
18:34 roadran422 *Speak
18:36 Lwq-School god i hate school they teach is nothing and thats why im failing these classes
18:36 roadran422 xD
18:37 Lwq-School im not kidding, they think because we are in 9th grade we should know all
18:37 roadran422 Where are you at to be able to be on the irc?
18:37 roadran422 Lwq-School: ehhh
18:37 Lwq-School class doung nothing
18:38 Lwq-School study hall
18:38 roadran422 Oh ok
18:38 roadran422 In fl we don't have any study halls
18:38 Lwq-School and i hacked the schools network and go the wep
18:38 Lwq-School well its kinda a study hall
18:39 roadran422 lol
18:39 yNos .tfw tgg
18:39 BotSteve 15 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'Even penguins are wearing jackets.'
18:39 roadran422 You got the wep pass for the school?
18:39 yNos lost a degree in the last hour..
18:39 Lwq-School after we get done with test they give us the last time and call it study hall, kinda stupid
18:39 roadran422 ...
18:39 roadran422 Lwq-School: Wow... Don't get caught
18:39 Lwq-School yes i got the wep
18:40 roadran422 How?
18:40 Lwq-School my teacher doesnt care hes looking straight at me
18:40 Sgt_Lemming yNos https://picasaweb.google.com/115277388924201849210/PCBS?authkey=Gv1sRgCK73t-Cw3pmLmwE#5699414678428520482
18:40 BotSteve Title: Picasa Web Albums - Lemming . - PCB's
18:40 Sgt_Lemming 63 x 33 mm
18:40 Vladdeh .tfwc tgg
18:40 BotSteve 9 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'Warmer than Hoth.'
18:40 roadran422 Lwq-School: Oh... Wow.
18:40 Vladdeh what
18:40 Vladdeh oh, -9
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18:40 Vladdeh yeah, that's chilly yNos :p
18:41 Vladdeh .tfwc bromsgrove
18:41 BotSteve 6 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT AND WET IN Bromsgrove, UK!  'OH NO. THE WEATHER MACHINE IS BROKEN.'
18:41 Lwq-School i gor one of the schools laptops to borrow for a study hall and did a little command prompt work
18:41 Sgt_Lemming .tfwc brisbane
18:41 BotSteve 21 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING NICE IN Brisbane, AS!  'It is now safe to leave your home.'
18:41 roadran422 I know how....
18:41 Lwq-School .tfw 16656
18:42 BotSteve 26 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Irvona, PA!  'Global Warming? Bullshit.'
18:42 roadran422 If it was on a laptop, then I know xD
18:42 Lwq-School lol
18:42 Wombbatts sry I restarted flash to fix another web page and crashed the IRC window, missed where in FL you live is you said
18:42 roadran422 All you got to do is check the net settings
18:42 roadran422 Wombbatts: xD no prob, but in florida. Also if you read the book Speak then you'd understand the wombats
18:42 Lwq-School yeah thats basicly what i did but with comand prompt
18:43 roadran422 Why cmd?
18:43 roadran422 Also /ipconfig all?
18:44 Lwq-School yeah then get the default gate and put it in the web browser and go fin it in the router settings
18:44 roadran422 Wow, isn't is secured though? If not then fail.
18:45 Lwq-School i coulnt get into the computers settings because they had that blocked but i could do cmd prompt
18:45 tlockley at my highschool, any student could get into any other students shares if the knew their student id
18:46 roadran422 Funny fail for our it guys. We can't normally access the C drive. But if I open any shortcut that has a target in the C drive, I can open the target up and from there I could access many thigsn
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18:46 roadran422 tlockley: At my old school that can be done also
18:46 roadran422 I was yb staff, so I had a list of all student ids...
18:47 tlockley nice. the other kicker though was all the staff had the same permission group as students, so all the teachers files were wide open with the students
18:47 roadran422 Now, that is a fail.
18:47 roadran422 What IT ass hole is working there? XD
18:47 tlockley i could explain but would rather not waste the bandwith
18:47 roadran422 Lol
18:48 tlockley just suffice to say he is still there and still fucking up
18:48 roadran422 Hahahahahaha
18:48 roadran422 He needs to set permissions on all files,..
18:48 tlockley chomd -R 777 /*
18:49 roadran422 ...
18:49 Lwq-School here the student drives and teacher drives sre seperate and only the student logged into the computer on the network could access their drives and the teacher drives are locked
18:49 tlockley all permissions to everyone on all files
18:49 roadran422 xD
18:49 tlockley if yNos was around he would laugh
18:49 tlockley then cry
18:49 roadran422 tlockley: Yep hahahaha
18:49 Lwq-School lol
18:49 roadran422 Our school is different we can see teacher's files, but can't modify.
18:50 roadran422 We can only put things in to specified folders
18:50 Lwq-School thats what i mean road ran
18:50 roadran422 Oh... xD
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18:50 Lwq-School but we coulnt see other students drives
18:50 roadran422 Same
18:51 Sgt_Lemming BotSteve: tell yNos https://picasaweb.google.com/115277388924201849210/PCBS?authkey=Gv1sRgCK73t-Cw3pmLmwE#5699414678428520482
18:51 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: I'll pass that on when yNos is around.
18:51 BotSteve Title: Picasa Web Albums - Lemming . - PCB's
18:52 yNos wh?
18:52 BotSteve ynos: I have the following messages for you:
18:52 BotSteve At 18:51Z, Sgt_Lemming asked me to tell ynos https://picasaweb.google.com/115277388924201849210/PCBS?authkey=Gv1sRgCK73t-Cw3pmLmwE#5699414678428520482
18:53 Sgt_Lemming heh
18:53 Sgt_Lemming that's the board I have been designing yNos
18:53 yNos nice
18:53 Sgt_Lemming it's 63 x 36mm
18:53 yNos using arduino on the atmega?
18:54 Sgt_Lemming yeah, probably use the Arduino bootloader on it
18:54 Sgt_Lemming mainly to make it easier to reprogram if needs be
18:54 yNos yupyup
18:55 roadran422 No captains blog :(
18:55 yNos nyet
18:55 roadran422 :'(
18:56 Sgt_Lemming that board drives relay through a MOSFET
18:56 Sgt_Lemming the relay is about the same size as the board :-P
18:56 yNos lol
19:00 Sgt_Lemming cost per board should be pretty cheap
19:00 Sgt_Lemming about $20 including the ethernet module
19:01 BitViper is there no cap blog for yesterday ?
19:01 Sgt_Lemming nyet
19:01 BitViper =(
19:05 Wombbatts ethernet -> relay for $20 what are you using for ethernet module?
19:06 Sgt_Lemming Wombbatts, wiznet820iol
19:11 yNos off to the lab
19:11 yNos later all
19:11 Sgt_Lemming have fun
19:30 * maglinvinn is back from lunch
19:31 maglinvinn how mcuh are you paying to have that card made sgt
19:36 Sgt_Lemming the pcb will probably be a few $
19:37 Sgt_Lemming about $5 tops
19:37 Sgt_Lemming all the components I'll solder on, then the ethernet module is a whole $12
19:37 Sgt_Lemming probably cost no more than $20 - $25 for the whole thing
19:43 maglinvinn who you getting to do the pcb
19:43 Ponko sherlock is an amazing tv show
19:46 Ponko how bout dem 9ers.......
19:47 Sgt_Lemming dunno yet maglinvinn
19:47 Sgt_Lemming this is just working up the design atm
19:47 maglinvinn ah.  i've been looking for a good prototyping solution for PCB.  prolly going to end up just biting the bullet and making a toner transfer/etch tank solution for myself.
19:48 Sgt_Lemming yeah
19:48 Sgt_Lemming that's a good way to do it
19:48 Sgt_Lemming that is what we have setup at HSBNE for single PCB's
19:48 Sgt_Lemming I could do this one there, but I am planning to get the PCB professionally done as we need a bunch of them anyway
19:48 Sgt_Lemming 7 or 8 at current count
19:48 Ponko hang on isn't PCB a drug?
19:49 Ponko or is that PCP?
19:49 Sgt_Lemming PCP
19:49 Sgt_Lemming .w PCP
19:49 Ponko ah yes
19:49 BotSteve "Phencyclidine, a recreational drug known by a number of street names including PCP, angel dust, embalming fluid, and rocket fuel" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP
19:49 Sgt_Lemming .w PCB
19:49 BotSteve "Printed circuit board, a board used in electronics" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCB
19:49 Ponko forgive my Dysbraxia :P
19:50 eg_lappy building some... www.ustream.tv/channel/electricguy
19:54 mashpriborintorg I have a led display module from a Samsung microwave oven here, the thing is weird, is has smd parts embeded in it
19:55 Sgt_Lemming yeah mashpriborintorg, that's pretty common
19:55 Sgt_Lemming I have some 8 x 5 LED modules which are basically that
19:56 mashpriborintorg finding the datasheet is doable you think ? ref is CSE-4258ESM1
19:57 Sgt_Lemming tlockley, you are a random bastard
19:57 mashpriborintorg yeah it's a common OEM part... price is 21,60 euros :PO
19:57 JA12 eg_lappy: happy hc?
19:58 eg_lappy aussie hardcore :)
19:58 Sgt_Lemming mashpriborintorg, we have about 50 of them
19:59 mashpriborintorg it's a treasure :p
19:59 JA12 eg_lappy: it has own genre? :D sad hardcore :D
19:59 eg_lappy hehehe XD
20:00 mashpriborintorg In a store near me, they sell a small of pop corn packing material at the price of 8 euros... I have plenty of it, does it mean I'm rich :)
20:01 Sgt_Lemming added a few bits since that pic
20:01 JA12 boden should do autopsies with same beats per minute count
20:01 mashpriborintorg we're still wxaiting for the other parts of the forklift autopsy
20:01 Sgt_Lemming status LED's, freewheeling diode
20:02 mashpriborintorg there is a commercial soda dispenser machine in the autopsy list also
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20:05 Seroster mashpriborintorg, There was an electronics store where I used to live, who bought a shredder. They shredded all their styrofoam and poured in garbage bags, one bag, ten bucks.
20:05 Seroster (They vacuum/sifted out all the tiny parts)
20:05 roadran422 Wow... That's cool! But expensive..
20:05 Seroster For a GARBAGE BAG?
20:05 mashpriborintorg styrofoam... my preciouuusss
20:06 roadran422 Wait, lets see.
20:06 Seroster That's 200 liters.
20:06 roadran422 Styrofoam is mostly air... A garbage bag full...
20:06 roadran422 Now that I think of it.... That isn't much
20:06 Seroster A newspaper is mostly white.
20:06 roadran422 ...
20:06 Seroster A computer is mainly plastic, steel and fiberglass.
20:06 mashpriborintorg I save most packing materials for resuse, but it takes much space :p
20:07 mashpriborintorg Seroster how many minutes you take for tearing down a microwave oven ?
20:07 Seroster Steel is like 100bucks a tonne, a hummer is like 10%steel 85%air and 5% misc by weight
20:07 mashpriborintorg I did one in 15 min without power tools
20:07 Seroster mashpriborintorg, Five.
20:08 roadran422 Who wants to lend me portal 2 ;)
20:08 Seroster Five mins I get the magnetron, motor, boards, transformer, cap+diode and fan.
20:08 mashpriborintorg It should become an olympic challenge :p
20:08 Seroster Depends on make and model. Five minutes for one that got ph2 screws all over.
20:09 Seroster Ive changed my ways of doing it to save time.
20:09 mashpriborintorg this one had some burnt wirings :p
20:09 Seroster First backside, pop ALL screws. Then flip it over, take all the bottom screws.
20:09 Seroster Get a pair of dikes, cut the 4 things holding the motor cover, remove the two motor screws and leave the motor.
20:10 Seroster Next remove the screw holding the button board to the front, pop it out and either cut the wires, rip them or disconnect them.
20:10 Seroster Then remove the MOT, then the fan, then the cap array, then any other misc boards and lastly the magnetron
20:11 Seroster (Unless you are going to save the microswitches, then you remove them last)
20:11 mashpriborintorg some connectors were almost loose, other ones were impossible to pull out, crappy thing
20:11 Seroster Lol
20:11 Seroster Get a good glove on your left hand.
20:11 Seroster Then you can use your dykes to pull the wiring off the magnetron, mot and cap (connections that are delicate) - and then grab the rest of the bundle with your left hand and just yank 'em out
20:13 mashpriborintorg I've already saved all the copper, and the carcass is gone already
20:13 Seroster Also, why are you doing it? Copper? Spare parts? Autopsy? To learn how it works?
20:14 Seroster if it is copper you are after cut EVRYTHING - dont bother being nice to wires that don't come out immediately
20:14 mashpriborintorg a little of them all
20:14 Seroster If its spare parts be gentle, and save the wiring.
20:14 mashpriborintorg copper from the motots, magnets from the magnetron, and parts
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20:14 Seroster There is a decent hunk of copper in the magnetron if you got the will to dig it out
20:14 Seroster BEWARE OF THE BERYLLIUM OXIDE
20:15 mashpriborintorg I may rewing the mot for hi-current if vthe HV coil is not too hard to remove
20:15 Seroster Heh
20:15 mashpriborintorg yeah I know
20:15 Seroster Its hard to remove, but totally worth it
20:15 cprossu_kindle woo
20:15 Seroster The hv wiiring thatis
20:16 Seroster This is how you do it; cut the O of wire on one end to make an U and an I shape
20:16 Seroster The I will be loose, so toss it away.
20:16 Seroster Then put the MOT in a vise, put a piece of dowel (NOT A SCREWDRIVER) on the exposed windings and beat them out of the ccore
20:17 mashpriborintorg it's a very tight fit usually
20:17 Seroster Its a pain in the arse, and you REALLY want to do it in a workshop or preferably outside, since all the tiny spaces in the coil are filled with shellac, and that will become a flaky dust that covers evrything
20:17 Seroster Avoid screwdrivers as I have myself gotten a screwdriver stuck inside :c
20:18 Seroster If you want to save the wiring from the mot... Its not really worth it unless you got lots of methanol handy to dissolve the shellac when you got the coils out
20:18 mashpriborintorg and the shellac does very sharp things sometimes
20:18 Seroster If you want to save the coils, put the mot in a vise, and beat the I part of the core until the weld breaks
20:19 Seroster Then rest the MOT on its windings, and using a metal bar beat the E part of the core out
20:19 Seroster - I can do that in about ten minutes per MOT, doesnt take more than a bunch of good whacks.
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20:19 mashpriborintorg a big hydraulic press may be helpfull here :p
20:20 Seroster Maaaybe.
20:20 Seroster But only if uou can put the MOT in it in such a way the E is supported and the piston pushes sideways on the I
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20:21 Seroster Also, 50 hits with 50kgs of force does more damage to it than one push of 2500kgs =P
20:21 Seroster Btw
20:21 mashpriborintorg I'm still looking for an inverter oven, they seem rather rare here
20:22 Sgt_Lemming that depends a lot on the structure Seroster
20:22 Seroster SparkyProjects, I got the projection part of an old projection alarm clock out. It got three wires. Red, black and white. Red would be + and black -.  But... Any ideas what the white might do?  I think there is a seperate time circuit inside the head
20:23 Seroster Sgt_Lemming, I've killed around 10-15.
20:23 tlockley Sgt_Lemming: what do you mean?
20:23 Sgt_Lemming adding me on google+
20:23 tlockley oh
20:23 tlockley yah
20:24 SparkyProjects Having never taken one of those apart, i have no idea
20:24 SparkyProjects I assume the head has to move to display the time, so maybe it's a trigger pulse connection
20:25 mashpriborintorg It must be cheaply made, so nothing were sophisticated here
20:25 mashpriborintorg I don't even bother to pick up such craptatronics in fact
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20:36 Lwq-School hi
20:36 tlockley hey Lwq1996
20:40 roadran422 what about barium oxide?
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20:43 mashpriborintorg this guy does amazing woodworking things at a budget, he should meet Moose http://youtu.be/iUGkroZus_Y
20:43 BotSteve Title: 3D letter carving - YouTube
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20:45 iSasha Ya'll hear the news about megaupload/video?
20:46 roadran422 No? Not me atleast
20:46 iSasha Ah, well, it doesn't exist anymore.
20:46 roadran422 What's it about?
20:47 eightbitbrad Forced down, or taken down?
20:47 iSasha Pretty darn sure that if gizmodo says that the feds took it down, it means that the feds took it down ;)
20:47 eightbitbrad Well, considering I've had my head down in code all day, and haven't had a chance to read....
20:48 roadran422 What is it about?
20:48 iSasha I have no clue... SOPA is starting early I guess
20:48 roadran422 What's the link on gizmodo....
20:49 roadran422 xD iSasha
20:49 roadran422 Was it even passed?
20:49 iSasha http://gizmodo.com/5877612/feds-kill-megaupload
20:49 BotSteve Title: Feds Kill Megaupload (Updated)
20:50 iSasha See, this is why people hate the US
20:50 roadran422 WTF. I don't get this, why are people who run MEGAUPLOAD set under arest?
20:50 eightbitbrad I love being hated for what my government does
20:50 eightbitbrad lol
20:50 roadran422 xD
20:50 iSasha Hey, I'm not hating on you...
20:50 eightbitbrad Oh, I know
20:51 roadran422 ....
20:51 eightbitbrad but I've come across people that as soon as I mention I'm from the US, they get all uppity with me.
20:51 eightbitbrad Supposedly some other US laws were used to shut it down
20:51 eightbitbrad SOPA/PIPA are still bogged down thankfully
20:51 roadran422 :)
20:52 eightbitbrad These days it's making moving abroad look better and better
20:52 iSasha You guys think it'll pass?
20:53 eightbitbrad iSasha: It's hard to say.  In the past few days, more and more of the senators supporting it have been backing down
20:53 roadran422 I'm not in to politics.... But, I don't want it to.
20:53 roadran422 I believe there is a better way to stop piracy.
20:54 roadran422 Kill piracy not liberty.
20:54 einball Can somebody tell me the difference between "Fuzz", "Overdrive" and "Distortion"? It's all nothing else than clipping the signal, right?
20:55 eightbitbrad I don't deal with politics normally either.  I'm very concerned that most of the government has no clue about technology, let alone the internet.
20:55 roadran422 Haha
20:56 iSasha Wait, wait, wait... so you guys are telling me that you're against piracy???
20:57 roadran422 Ok, sorta and sorta not.
20:57 roadran422 I myself do a bit of it. But idk...
20:57 iSasha Hmm.... afaik that there are too many hypocrytes
20:57 roadran422 But, I do plan on buying the things I pirated. The only things I won't is things I used like once.
20:58 eightbitbrad When did I say I was against it?
20:58 roadran422 xD
20:58 iSasha Yeah, that accounts for 98% of the things I download
20:58 eightbitbrad I'm against the idea of the government trying to play internet censor
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20:59 iSasha I'm against the idea of any government controlling the internet
20:59 roadran422 Skynet
20:59 mashpriborintorg war against piracy leads to war against the spreading of culture I believe
20:59 roadran422 mashpriborintorg: That can be true
20:59 roadran422 Seroster: What about barium oxide/
21:00 Seroster Beryllium oxide
21:00 iSasha Yeah, wait, what??
21:00 roadran422 What's that about...
21:00 eightbitbrad The US government is in the pocket of the big corporations
21:00 Seroster Beryllium oxide, aka beryllia, is used as the insulators in a cavity magnetron for microwaves
21:00 roadran422 Also, note sopa isn't the only dumb bill.
21:00 roadran422 Seroster: Is it dangerous?
21:01 Seroster It is fine until you break it, then it becomes a cancirogen dust
21:01 mashpriborintorg what if I listen to music that is not available in stores ? eg tibetan music clips on youtube ? If they disappear, they will be impossible to find again
21:01 roadran422 OH!...
21:01 iSasha hmm, Seroster, I see that it has a lot to do with piracy
21:01 roadran422 Wait a second.
21:01 Seroster It also plays hell on your lungs, causing silicosis and all kinds of shit
21:01 roadran422 Ok...
21:01 roadran422 If the government does pass this bill, bye bye youtube?
21:01 Seroster No
21:01 mashpriborintorg it's not only carcinogen, it's a poison also :)
21:01 roadran422 Ok..
21:02 Seroster mashpriborintorg, In essence, don't eat it. Don't breathe it, don't break it.
21:02 roadran422 Youtube is the hub for people posting keygens, keys and things like it.
21:02 iSasha Not really roadran422
21:02 roadran422 What the hell could you do only with a microwave transformer and a few pieces of wire?
21:02 iSasha I never find stuff like that there
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21:02 roadran422 iSasha: If they want to stop piracy, youtube be the first one to be gone.
21:02 mashpriborintorg bye bye the access to culture, you will listen only the music that the government wants to ear
21:02 roadran422 iSasha: I'll send you a link
21:02 iSasha For most things at least
21:02 roadran422 https://www.google.com/search?q=keygen%20kaspersky&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;hl=en&amp;tbo=u&amp;tbm=vid&amp;source=og&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wv&amp;authuser=0&amp;ei=9YQYT4LZIM2FsgKOtpjRCw
21:02 BotSteve Title: keygen kaspersky - Google Search
21:02 roadran422 See the results
21:03 roadran422 133.000 results.
21:04 iSasha Hmm... how about you get me a keygen/key for something slightly more obscure than kaspersky... such as Vitamin D
21:04 roadran422 ...?
21:08 roadran422 derp
21:08 roadran422 mashpriborintorg: That's already happened. No time travel vids in china.
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21:09 astro73|alice .fortune
21:09 BotSteve The less time planning, the more time programming.
21:10 * dr_jkl tries
21:10 roadran422 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Unless you sell Thin Mints.... NO SOLICITING!
21:10 dr_jkl .fortune
21:10 roadran422 .fortune
21:10 BotSteve Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root. -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide"
21:10 BotSteve The number of computer scientists in a room is inversely proportional to the number of bugs in their code.
21:10 dr_jkl .fortune
21:10 BotSteve Debug is human, de-fix divine.
21:10 dr_jkl lol
21:10 dr_jkl lol suidroot sendmail
21:10 eightbitbrad but it's SAFE! lol
21:11 dr_jkl eightbitbrad: just because an unloaded gun is supposedly safe does not mean i'm going to point it at you and pull the trigger
21:12 eightbitbrad indeed.
21:12 roadran422 Don't tell me that.
21:12 eightbitbrad Why anyone would suggest such a thing is beyond me.
21:12 eightbitbrad "Here, let me help you add a potential exploit to your box"
21:13 roadran422 I had a airsoft gun, never touched nor knew what a gun is. (Knew what it did) So I took the air soft gun, and pointed it to my friends head an pressed the trigger.... It wasn't loaded, and he said this , "A bullet could of been stuck somewhere".
21:13 roadran422 Yah...
21:14 mashpriborintorg Well, I go 2 sleep
21:14 dr_jkl actually that can happen w/ cheaper airsoft guns
21:14 dr_jkl you'll have one jammed up in a crevice somewhere and not know it
21:15 roadran422 ...
21:15 roadran422 Good thing It didn't shoot.
21:15 dr_jkl eh, the only thing you'd get with an airsoft gun, even at point-blank range, is a really bitchin' welt
21:16 dr_jkl airsoft pellets are like paintballs. they're supposed to hurt, not kill you
21:16 roadran422 ...
21:16 roadran422 To the temple?
21:16 dr_jkl roadran422: if you play airsoft/paintball without protective headwear you're a fucking idiot
21:17 roadran422 I never played it....
21:17 roadran422 I saw a gun, thought it was not loaded (thankfully it was) and yah...
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21:23 JA12 why you had a airsoft gun?
21:23 roadran422 ZA friend did
21:26 iSasha bbl
21:29 Electricguy Roses are red, violets are blue. The internet is dead, SOPA fuck you!
21:29 roadran422 Yep.
21:30 ^Prophet^ Indeed.
21:33 Vladdeh megaupload is gone
21:33 Electricguy yeh
21:33 roadran422 Wow.
21:33 roadran422 What's next all the file hosting/video hosting services?
21:34 Electricguy let's do it the 90's way and set up a FTP server! ;)
21:34 Seroster I'm a grade A retard
21:34 roadran422 Why? ^ xD
21:34 roadran422 Electricguy: Then all computers be hijacked, all servers would be to.
21:35 Electricguy get a bad ass firewall! ;)
21:35 Seroster Got a screw in the screw cutter. Wasnt cutting good. So I leaned on it, slipped and cut a decent hunk of my thumb off.
21:35 Seroster FARK
21:35 roadran422 Compared to FBI, and GOV power. Yah righ
21:35 roadran422 You ok Seroster?
21:35 roadran422 And recently?
21:35 Seroster About four minutes?
21:35 roadran422 You ok?
21:35 Seroster I can see white stuff moving inside =)
21:35 roadran422 Blood cells aren't visible?
21:36 JA12 bones are
21:36 Electricguy speaking of that.. i set up a firewall at work today! -,- a Watchguard Firebox X Edge... damn secure thing. i needed a precific IP and gateway addy to even get to the configuration page
21:36 roadran422 GO TO HOSPITAL. JA12 OH GOD>
21:36 JA12 Seroster: say hi to doctor
21:36 Seroster Not bones, tendons
21:36 roadran422 Still, go to hospital.
21:36 roadran422 I would be freaking out.
21:36 Seroster JA12, i aint got fucking time'
21:36 roadran422 Gauze it up!
21:36 JA12 Seroster :D
21:36 roadran422 Anti Biotics!
21:38 Seroster I got 100% sensations in the limb, and 100% movement
21:38 Seroster I missed the important stuff by about .0005mm.
21:38 roadran422 Wow.
21:39 roadran422 But really dude, gauze it up and antibiotics, and NOW..
21:39 Seroster Dont fuck around with antibiotics if it can be avoided
21:39 roadran422 True,
21:39 roadran422 But gauze it!
21:39 roadran422 Super bacteria
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21:39 Seroster Wont do any good before the squirting stops
21:40 ajcc antibiotics will kill the thing that heals
21:40 roadran422 Oh...
21:40 roadran422 Seroster: ...
21:41 ajcc Seroster: first reaction was to get the micrometer out? :)
21:41 JA12 it needs to be cleaned with antiseptics
21:41 JA12 and maybe stiched together again
21:41 Seroster Yeah
21:41 Seroster sure  =D
21:41 Seroster JA12, pft. I will santize when the bleeding subsides
21:41 Electricguy IT BLEEEDZ!
21:42 ajcc it's that time of the month?
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21:42 Seroster *day
21:42 JA12 ajcc: duct tape works to that too
21:42 Seroster I, unlike most women, bleed daily
21:42 Seroster Yeah... No.
21:42 JA12 :D
21:42 Seroster I use proper surgical tape and I get jodopax disinfectant in 2l bottles.
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21:43 ajcc Seroster: :) surgical tape is made of awesome
21:43 Seroster *Expensive.
21:43 JA12 "I do my own stitches"
21:43 Seroster JA12, I do.
21:43 Seroster I have sterile needles and proper surgical thred.
21:43 ajcc Seroster: you can buy bulk rolls, big packs
21:44 Seroster I know ajcc, still expensive.
21:44 JA12 Seroster: ok... why you have them?
21:44 Seroster I do my own stitching.
21:44 JA12 :D
21:44 ajcc Seroster: then you need to start earning more money or cut yourself less
21:45 Seroster =)
21:46 Seroster Also, knowing how to sew flesh is useful in case of a disaster
21:46 ajcc true
21:46 JA12 why did I get these images to my head of that Saw parody (in scary movie?) where dr. Phil cuts his leg off to free himself and it's the wrong leg
21:47 Seroster Lol
21:47 JA12 well anyways, Seroster when you get your thumb infected and it needs to be amputated, make sure you cut the right one
21:47 Seroster =)
21:47 Seroster I checkup all my wounds regularily
21:48 ajcc I hope Seroster have a jar of leeches
21:48 roadkillinri if your thumb falls off send it in for thumper food :)
21:48 Seroster I sure will
21:49 ajcc :), or put it on a pyramid of cars and crash a car into it, like Jarpi did.
21:49 ajcc or drop a car
21:51 ajcc hmm, no clip of that on youtube :/
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21:56 JA12 wha? this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTGiZTKuRqo
21:56 BotSteve Title: Kobe Kidnaps Shaq & Dr Phil. - YouTube
21:57 Seroster Olol
21:57 Seroster I got a great idea
21:58 Seroster Examining the wound now when it almost stopped bleeding and I was like "crap, theres blood in the way I need to see whats going on"
21:58 Seroster Then I looked at the compressor
21:58 Seroster Then... I realised that might be a slightly bad idea. =P
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22:05 cprossu_kindle seroster; n; a very bad perverted idea producer.
22:05 Seroster :D
22:06 Seroster I cant see what could possibly be wrong with blasting 250PSI of oil/water air into a deep open fresh wound =D
22:06 cprossu_kindle and you never will
22:07 Seroster If I didnt I would be friggin dead.
22:09 cprossu_kindle lol. hydraulic death isnt fun.
22:10 Lwq1996 seroster is this what you guys look like in sweden http://www.damnlol.com/sweden-then-and-now-6911.html
22:10 BotSteve Title: Sweden Then... And Now - Damn! LOL
22:10 Cheezmo Cprossu, do you have any available commands on your server? and/or any safe structures? :P
22:10 Cheezmo Minecraft, that is
22:12 cprossu_kindle on mine no
22:12 Seroster Lwq1996...
22:12 Seroster .yt ROSMT
22:12 BotSteve Seroster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERlk0TKGlwg
22:12 Cheezmo well, I'm gonna have to wait til morning and punch me some trees then
22:12 cprossu_kindle though zozo`s server has got tons of goodies/etc
22:12 Cheezmo ip?
22:12 Lwq1996 :P
22:13 cprossu_kindle .minecraft
22:13 BotSteve cprossu_kindle: Legacy TGG minecraft server: gamerxreviews.net:25565. Server Status: UP
22:13 BotSteve cprossu_kindle: Cprossu's minecraft server: 72.222.196.252:25565. Server Status: UP
22:13 Cheezmo oh, the TGG one is outdated for my game :C
22:14 cprossu_kindle fist one there...mine listed is survival mode only...take away one on the port number and thats where we built tgg minecraft lab
22:14 Cheezmo so :2556?
22:14 Lwq1996 seroster why do i feel that was you
22:15 cprossu_kindle yeah you need 1.00 or snapshot 11w50a to get on the lab server or zozos
22:15 cprossu_kindle look up mojang.com to find the snapshots then find your .minecraft/bin diectory
22:16 cprossu_kindle make a backup of your minecraft.jar
22:16 Cheezmo eh, maybe I'll just poke at survival a bit for now :P
22:16 cprossu_kindle and place the snapshot minecraft.jar there
22:17 cprossu_kindle we arent updating it until bukkit has a reccomended build...or something like that
22:18 cprossu_kindle ask druidic_rifleman or guardianzozo for more info
22:18 cprossu_kindle as typing on a kindle is slow
22:18 Cheezmo lol, ok
22:19 Seroster Watching surgery
22:19 Druidic_Rifleman huh waht
22:19 Seroster First they use a regular scalpel for the skin
22:19 Seroster Then an ultrasonic one.
22:19 Seroster So... why do they switch?
22:19 Druidic_Rifleman what iam i supposed todo
22:20 Cheezmo Druidic_Rifleman something about minecraft server
22:20 Cheezmo but I feel too lazy to snapshot
22:20 Druidic_Rifleman ask zozo
22:20 cprossu_kindle help cheezo with older build =p
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22:23 BotSteve ****Attention on deck!  Captain on the bridge!****
22:24 Cheezmo hoshit son
22:24 Seroster 'noon capn. How be ye sailin' 'tis fine day?
22:24 roadkillinri ecening Cap
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22:24 roadkillinri evening*
22:24 roadran422 Evening
22:25 Seroster I was working on an autopsy just now. Sadly, the tissue is still alive. Is it time for the big hammer of science yet?
22:26 roadran422 ...
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22:33 reesk harro
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22:42 cprossu_kindle errrrr.
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22:49 * Lwq1996 pokes wannabe
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22:52 Electricguy night night all! :)
22:54 reesk making ejuice makes me feel like im running a meth lab
22:54 roadran422 It's not meth. Right?
22:54 reesk nope
22:55 reesk but finding the ingridients is like trying to find ingridients to meth
22:55 roadran422 What are the ingredients?
22:55 reesk proplene glycol sold raw for use in cosmetics
22:56 roadran422 Is it really hard to locate all the ingredients?
22:56 reesk vegetable glycerin sold in pharmcists as cough syrup
22:56 reesk well cough cure
22:56 roadran422 Ok..
22:56 reesk and either water or ethanol aka VODKA
22:57 roadran422 How's nicotine made?
22:57 roadran422 And the flavoring....
22:58 reesk flavoring anything with out sugar in it loranns candy oils
22:58 reesk nicotene can be bought pre diluted to a set concentration from ejuice suppliers
22:59 reesk sadley red flavoring dont make red smoke
22:59 reesk the nicotene is the expensive part though
23:00 Seroster Damn bandaids
23:00 Seroster Cant handle a good soaking
23:00 reesk use electrical tape
23:00 roadran422 Nice
23:00 reesk its  a mans band aid
23:00 roadran422 reesk: I would think
23:00 Seroster Too elastic reesk
23:00 roadran422 Bandage or the comp bandaid?
23:01 roadran422 USE GAUZE.
23:01 reesk not when i use it
23:01 reesk when i use it my biggest worry is loss of circulation
23:01 reesk although that aint a bad thing for a hour or 2 when its a bad cut
23:01 roadran422 chris and e-juice in his eye xD
23:02 Cheezmo Seroster: self-adhesive silicone tape, now that stuff holds a cut
23:03 Seroster Is it proper surgical tape?
23:03 JA12 <crshbndct> mpaa.org riaa.org and fbi.gov are down
23:04 Cheezmo no, but it's generally clean, doesn't stick to you, and you can make it as tight or loose as you fancy
23:06 Cheezmo http://www.ebay.com/itm/370575600727
23:06 BotSteve Title: Silicone Self Vulcanizing Fusing Sealing Tape Red 1X10 | eBay
23:06 Thermoelectric Mmm, vulcanizing.
23:06 BotSteve thermoelectric: I have the following messages for you:
23:06 BotSteve At 15:05Z, Seroster asked me to tell thermoelectric YAAAAY
23:06 Seroster lol
23:06 roadran422 Use teflon tape
23:06 Seroster Thread tape is a bad idea on wounds
23:06 Thermoelectric Superglue your wound closed?
23:07 Cheezmo the hospital here used superglue on my hand :3
23:07 Cheezmo medical grade at least
23:07 roadran422 xD
23:07 roadran422 Jb weld!
23:07 Cheezmo costs them like $50/tube
23:09 Wombbatts arc weld cuts jheesh!
23:09 Seroster Thing is industrial cyanoacrylate HURTS LIKE HELL
23:09 Seroster Id rather coagulate it with my soldering iron
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23:14 Seroster Gnight folks
23:14 tlockley night Seroster
23:14 Seroster Time to go to bed and hope it formed a crust by tomorrow morning
23:14 Thermoelectric Night Seroster
23:15 Seroster Or Ill have to seek up the school nurse, wich is an old mean lady, and I could probably take care of it better than she can.
23:15 Seroster Not that I will, i want to be able to blame someone else when my thumb falls off in a few weeks =)
23:18 tonsofpcs hi
23:19 Monkeh Hmm.
23:19 Monkeh Anyone got any T5 lampholders laying around?
23:19 tonsofpcs which one is T5?
23:20 Seroster .g T5
23:20 BotSteve Seroster: http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/grow-lights-fluorescent-c-321.html
23:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Smallish, 20W and down
23:21 tonsofpcs I think we just went from T8 to T12...
23:21 tonsofpcs or is it T12 to T8?
23:21 tonsofpcs whichevre one is thinner is the newer one
23:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: T12 to T8.
23:21 roadran422 Torx?
23:22 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm talking smaller.
23:22 Monkeh roadran422: No, quiet you.
23:22 tonsofpcs roadran422: no, lamps
23:22 roadran422 ik :P
23:22 Thermoelectric .g T12 lighting phase out
23:22 tonsofpcs ah, apparently the # is diameter in 1/8 inches!
23:22 BotSteve Thermoelectric: http://nuwnotes1.nu.com/apps/clm/eventcalendar.nsf/0/6feae9ce87dcb7968525770a0074d8ea/$FILE/Lighting%20phaseout%20optimized.pdf
23:22 tonsofpcs so a T8 is 1" dia
23:22 tonsofpcs T5 is 5/8, T12 is 12/8 (1-1/2)
23:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes.
23:23 JA12 if seroster had gone to hospital almost 2 hours ago when roadran422 and I said so, he wouldn't be bleeding anymore
23:24 azop ajprog_laptop: did you get it fixed?
23:24 tonsofpcs no T5 fixtures, sorry
23:24 roadran422 JA12: I know righ
23:24 roadran422 *right
23:24 roadran422 Where is he now?
23:24 ajprog_laptop azop nope
23:24 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Just need lampholders.
23:24 azop did yNos look at it?
23:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I plan to build my own UV exposure unit for PCB prototyping. I am NOT paying £150 for a plastic box, a ballast, and a UV tube..
23:25 JA12 roadran422: <Seroster> Time to go to bed
23:25 roadran422 Oh...
23:25 roadran422 Watch the bed be soaked.
23:25 Monkeh Oh, and a small piece of glass I can have made locally for a fiver.
23:25 tonsofpcs Monkeh: do they not sell them for retrofitting there?
23:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I can only find them in large packs
23:26 ajprog_laptop azop not really, but he is handling it now
23:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Plus I need ones which mount to a board
23:26 azop okay, let me know.
23:27 tonsofpcs our maintenance guy found T8 replacement kits for T12s that are 4 (or is it 8?) connectors + electronic 'instant on' ballast in a box
23:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: T5 is trickier.
23:28 tonsofpcs (like, a cardboard box for manual install)
23:28 tonsofpcs googling "T5 socket" finds them at $1...
23:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Country.
23:30 tonsofpcs if you offer to repair sockets, I can probably send some to you for service...
23:31 tonsofpcs probably not worth shipping tthough
23:31 roadran422 I'm dieing from no captain's blog today!
23:31 tonsofpcs I'm dying from your failures.
23:31 roadran422 :?
23:31 tonsofpcs first, you failed to provide me dinner
23:31 tonsofpcs now you're failing to utilize proper syntax
23:32 roadran422 ...?
23:32 tonsofpcs what country, Monkeh?
23:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Aha, found some!
23:32 tonsofpcs :)
23:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're obscenely overpriced but still cheaper than buying large packs..
23:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Hmm, on the other hand, incandescent blacklights..
23:35 Monkeh Cheaper but do I want that sort of heat
23:36 Thermoelectric Just grab a fluorescent tube and solder to the ends of it? Saves the need for the sockets...
23:37 Monkeh Thermoelectric: Then you get into supporting it. I'd really rather use sockets..
23:37 Monkeh Bodge jobs are pointless
23:38 Thermoelectric This is true...
23:38 Thermoelectric But if you're unwilling to pay for sockets, it's either that or incandescent lighting.
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23:38 Thermoelectric You could use LED's if they had the right wavelength?
23:39 Monkeh Thermoelectric: I didn't say unwilling, I said I'm not buying them in bulk when I need _2_.
23:39 Thermoelectric Sell the rest on eBay?
23:40 Monkeh Thermoelectric: It's not worth it.
23:40 Monkeh And I really don't have time or energy to satisfy the whims of people buying small items on ebay. If I wanted to run a shop..
23:40 tonsofpcs Monkeh: how about using in-line crimp 'connectors' ?
23:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If you can find them for the pins and find a suitable way to support a tube designed to be held by the ends..
23:41 tonsofpcs gaffer's tape.
23:41 astro73|alice .c 1100 british pounds in us dollars
23:41 BotSteve 1 701.48 U.S. dollars
23:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: ..
23:42 Monkeh Didn't I mention bodge jobs?
23:42 Thermoelectric You can cable tie it to the mount.
23:42 tonsofpcs wooden blocks, drill holes, put crimps in
23:42 tonsofpcs make one of the wooden blocks dovetail in, permanently attach the other.
23:43 tonsofpcs or, if you want to kick it old school, bakelite!
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23:53 Thermoelectric Hmm. Looks like the monitor on this laptop doesn't like to turn off when idle... Silly Fedora.

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