Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-01-25

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00:01 Cprossu hey ajprog_laptop what's up?
00:04 * KB3NZQ is watching Ice Road Truckers - The Hangover [43:59 mins] [121 kbps MP4] [516.99 MB]
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00:12 yNos hay yall
00:12 tonsofpcs hi
00:12 yNos IIsi50MHz - how is 6 meters right now?
00:12 tonsofpcs longer than 5 meters, higher frequency than 7 meters, obv :-p
00:13 IIsi50MHz O.o
00:14 yNos assuming 50mhz is a ham reference
00:14 IIsi50MHz Macintosh IIsi.
00:14 yNos ahhh
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00:14 yNos ok, mvm then
00:14 yNos **nvm
00:14 IIsi50MHz 20 MHz CPU, components designed for 25 MHz, Daystar 030 Universal PowerCache accelerator card at 50 MHz
00:15 yNos ah
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00:15 yNos was going to say, i dont remember those 020's running that fast.
00:16 yNos ahh
00:16 yNos was an 030
00:16 IIsi50MHz Right now I'm trying to recover my NickServ password, since I somehow managed to type a non-printable character while editing my auto-login script with that line highlight...and my client insta-saves changes.
00:18 IIsi50MHz Actually, I know exactly how I typed it. I tried to use a Windows shortcut key...and I'm not on Windows.
00:18 yNos well that's not going to work
00:18 IIsi50MHz But yeah, the 030 card was inserted in the Processor Direct Slot, overriding the soldered processor.
00:18 MoxieMike ew
00:19 IIsi50MHz Soldered processor was indeed 020. Sadly, the IIsi died a year or two ago.
00:20 IIsi50MHz On the upside, I've a Quadra 700.
00:20 yNos lol, that is an upside?!?!
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00:21 yNos is it running MacOS, or something more intersting?
00:21 IIsi50MHz 040 @ 50MHz > 030 @ 50 MHz. 16 MB RAM > 5 MB RAM. néh?
00:22 IIsi50MHz It's running pre-MacOS. Macintosh System Software 7.something, with KanjiTalk
00:22 yNos wish i still had my se/30...
00:22 roadran422|50THz :)
00:23 yNos it had A/UX.. and a ethernet card.
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00:23 yNos it was supremely badass
00:23 IIsi50MHz Has a 16-bit stereo audio card with MIDI in-out, four stereo ins.
00:23 yNos with the 32bit clean rom and 64 mb of ram
00:23 IIsi50MHz Now if I just had a MIDI cable...
00:25 IIsi50MHz The Q700 has an AAUI connector, so they can lie about "built-in ethernet", but I don't have the dongle that actually makes it...you know.../have ethernet/.
00:25 yNos AAUI?
00:25 IIsi50MHz Proprietary crap.
00:25 yNos a regular AUI->ethernet controller wouldnt work?
00:25 Monkeh yNos: It's AUI with a different connector.
00:26 Monkeh yNos: Think ADC.
00:26 yNos so it need an adapter..
00:26 Monkeh yNos: I could probably make one..
00:26 Monkeh Fleabay finds them easily enough
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00:27 Seroster Hi there roadran422|50THz
00:27 IIsi50MHz An adapter with electronics in it, so not just a cable adapter. So, no ethernet built-in. Good thing I wasn't one of the people who chose new Macs at the time thinking "Ooooh! Built-in ethernet! No need to buy any more hardware for each machine."
00:27 tonsofpcs IIsi50MHz: c'mon, I've got System 6 on a notebook here :)
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00:27 roadran422|50THz Hi Seroster!
00:27 roadran422|50THz Are you male or female.
00:27 roadran422|50THz .... Nvm then?
00:28 Monkeh IIsi50MHz: Yes, but AUI is easy to find.
00:28 * tonsofpcs has an AUI around here
00:28 Monkeh IIsi50MHz: Does it put out proper 12V or 5V?
00:28 IIsi50MHz I've Systems 0.89 through 8.0 in Mini vMac and Basilisk II >.>
00:28 tonsofpcs IIsi50MHz: that's cheating.
00:29 IIsi50MHz Don't remember. Just remember that at the time Apple was having reps brag about "built-in ethernet", the dongle was not cheap.
00:29 IIsi50MHz Yes, I cheatses.
00:29 Monkeh IIsi50MHz: It wouldn't tell you, you have to actually test it :P
00:29 tonsofpcs IIsi50MHz: well, it was cheaper to have a 10base2 and 10baseT dongle available than to make a machine with each
00:29 tonsofpcs also, you had other interesting physical interfaces ...
00:30 IIsi50MHz Monkey, the voltage is documented. I read it early last year...but forgot everything else.
00:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Hey, don't hate on 10BASE5 and 10BASE-FL
00:30 tonsofpcs I mean, modern "10 gigabit ethernet" switches are basically the same, they have SFP+ holes
00:30 Monkeh IIsi50MHz: Wow, that's.. unusual.
00:30 tonsofpcs Monkeh: can you use 10baseFL through an AUI?
00:30 tonsofpcs also, I have stranger on physical cards without AUI :)
00:30 roadran422|50THz Who plays minecraft?
00:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes. The whole point is to allow you to use the physical interface of your choice.
00:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mmm, SFP. Standardised. :)
00:31 tonsofpcs lol
00:31 roadran422|50THz Who ever plays minecraft, will love this song.
00:31 roadran422|50THz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrz0tvsNdcI
00:31 BotSteve Title: Minecraft Creeper Song DJ GOT FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN - YouTube
00:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Except for cheating bastard companies who won't let you use any module you choose.
00:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're the ones charging £500 for a £15 device, of course.
00:32 tonsofpcs "the great part about standards is that there's so many to choose from"
00:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Well, SFP IS standard, which is great.
00:32 Monkeh It's standard and convenient
00:32 Monkeh The sodding handles are annoying, though
00:33 roadran422|50THz What the?
00:33 tonsofpcs but SFP isn't useful anymore, SFP+ is wherre it's at (and passing fast)
00:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's useful to me, which is why I'll take all your spare SFP modules.
00:33 * IIsi50MHz suddenly remember the capitalisation for his NickServ password, goes off to the preference dialog box to fix it
00:34 tonsofpcs Monkeh: sure, here's a full list of all spare SFP modules I have, both at home and work:
00:35 tonsofpcs --END OF LIST--
00:35 tonsofpcs let me know which ones yuo want and I'll ship them at your cost :)
00:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: hehe
00:35 tonsofpcs if I include non-spares, the count goes up to 2 or 3.
00:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Uno.
00:35 Monkeh But it was free!
00:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: As were all my fibre cards.
00:37 tonsofpcs well, two of those [2 or 3] are CPE owned by the ISP
00:37 tonsofpcs well, network service provider -- not really I
00:37 Monkeh heh
00:37 Monkeh I'm one of those strange people who has fibre at home :)
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00:37 tonsofpcs i mean, they're our ISP too
00:37 tonsofpcs and the third would be the ISP's CPE
00:38 Monkeh And I actually mean in my network, not a fibre internet connection
00:38 tonsofpcs I have fibre at home!  It connects my sound card to my HT receiver!
00:38 IIsi50MHz tonsofpcs, I have only kilograms of PCs. Four running x86, one x86 that needs an HD, the one running Q700, one doorstop IIsi, a Sony Clié, a Palm III, a Palm IIIx.
00:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm poor, I use coax :{
00:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I still want to create my own external DAC, so fed up with hacky solutions.
00:38 tonsofpcs IIsi50MHz: want an 020 amiga?
00:38 tonsofpcs Monkeh: why do you want an external DAC?
00:38 tonsofpcs also, do you have any solution for 'repeating' HDCP?
00:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Because at present I rely on a strange loop of coax between machines to listen to more than one box at once.
00:39 IIsi50MHz Well...the needs-HD one actually just needs a format, since I separated a secondary drive from another machine.
00:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I desire a proper DAC which can take four optical or coax SPDIF inputs at once. Not switched.
00:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I don't do HDCP, so no
00:40 IIsi50MHz Um...no thanks. Got a Commodore 64/128?
00:40 masterofmonks Morning IIsi50MHz
00:40 tonsofpcs yes, but not spare
00:40 IIsi50MHz allo MoM
00:40 roadran422|50THz Hey MoM
00:40 tonsofpcs Monkeh: what do you mean by four at once?
00:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I mean four seperate sources.
00:40 tonsofpcs a mixer?
00:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Basically, yes.
00:40 tonsofpcs or just 4-in, 8-out?
00:41 roadran422|50THz What does one do with a 20uf 400v 120hv cap?
00:41 tonsofpcs (stereo decode)
00:41 tonsofpcs roadran422|50THz: block DC?
00:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I mean four different sources (PS3, gaming box, workstation, music box) all being played back at once without hacking around and relying on one of the boxes to handle it.
00:41 roadran422|50THz I think it's DC?
00:41 roadran422|50THz It's an AC to DC power supply for my hp laptop?
00:41 tonsofpcs Monkeh: easier to just use the analog outputs....
00:42 IIsi50MHz needs-HD needs the disc to be reformatted while installed in it, otherwise it won't recognise the drive as having a filesystem. But then, the drive canna be read in any other system.
00:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I don't want to use the analog outputs.
00:42 tonsofpcs why not?
00:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I have, shall we say, issues with ground loops and interference.
00:42 IIsi50MHz Frelling ancient Compaq BIOS, I say. *mutter grumble, thumps a cane*
00:42 tonsofpcs so use transformers or redo your ground system
00:42 roadran422|50THz ...
00:42 tonsofpcs IIsi50MHz: http://tonsofpcs.com/portable3/
00:42 BotSteve Title: Compaq Portable III
00:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, let me rewire my house.
00:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh: you could just redo the ground connections to the A/V gear....
00:43 roadran422|50THz xD
00:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Let me introduce you to the ring final circuit..
00:43 tonsofpcs anyway, there are S/PDIF mixers.  I have one at work.  You don't want to know the cost on that one :)
00:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Well, the mixing is not so much a problem.
00:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh: let me introduce you to star grounding :)
00:44 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The mixer can be done in analogue immediately before the headphone amp.
00:44 tonsofpcs *tries finding a tiny SPDIF mixer*
00:44 KB3NZQ tonsofpcs You don't have permission to access /portable3/2.jpg on this server.
00:44 tonsofpcs KB3NZQ: put a www. in there, *curses webhost*
00:44 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I just need four seperate DACs without having a huge stack of the damn things with external cabling.
00:44 IIsi50MHz tons: Presario 4505. Aside from the original 2.1 GB HD which died a month out of warranty, nothing has ever failed on it.
00:44 tonsofpcs oh, that's new!
00:44 KB3NZQ ok
00:44 tonsofpcs :)
00:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I want one and only one analogue cable in the system and it goes to my headphones.
00:45 IIsi50MHz So I'm torn between squeezing a new tiny motherboard in it, or keeping it to do...Something Eventually.
00:45 Monkeh Unfortunately nobody out there seems to have ever considered that you may want multiple sources at once rather than a four way switch
00:46 Monkeh (if a switch was suitable there are at least ten options going, most of which are within a reasonable price range)
00:46 tonsofpcs well, ou can make a very simple analog audio mixer
00:46 tonsofpcs (or buy one if you really want)
00:46 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, I just need the four good quality DACs in one box with a proper power supply
00:47 tonsofpcs yea, looking
00:47 tonsofpcs can you put something like four of these and a few pots inside an enclosure?  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/821242-REG/Fiio_D3_D3_Digital_to_Analog.html
00:47 BotSteve Title: Fiio D3 Digital to Analog Audio Converter D3 B&H Photo Video
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00:48 Ponko my flipping head
00:49 * IIsi50MHz returns to pondering how to restore the display connectors of his cordless phones, since the thermal-set conductive glue is failing (as always) and the printed film ribbons that connect the boards to the displays are hosed.
00:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Those could work.
00:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Let me just find out the price is double that over here..
00:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mmh, £20, that's not so bad.
00:50 tonsofpcs well, they're not the only option, that's just the cheapest one here
00:50 tonsofpcs gefen makes em in thaat form factor
00:50 tonsofpcs and... *looks up company* makes them in square metal chassis
00:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The fun part will be finding a headphone amp I can replace my Xonar with.
00:50 Monkeh Because oh boy do I like how this one sounds.
00:51 * IIsi50MHz gets distracted by imagining a mini protest at the capitol, with signs like "Down with thermo-set glue!" and "Durable electronics!"
00:51 Lwq1996 SarahM you here?
00:51 tonsofpcs Kanex Pro, Kramer.
00:52 tonsofpcs (2 different companies, both make squared metal chassis)
00:52 * IIsi50MHz has a half-track mind
00:53 tonsofpcs oh, if you're looking at that price range....
00:53 tonsofpcs *pulls up spec sheet*
00:53 Lwq1996 .seen wannabe
00:53 BotSteve Lwq1996: I last saw nick:wannabe 4124.72 hours ago at 2011-08-06 04:10:15 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:53:42 UTC
00:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Kanex isn't available.
00:53 Lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
00:53 BotSteve Lwq1996: I last saw SarahM 4.17 hours ago at 2012-01-24 20:43:39 UTC on #TGG:NSFW.  Current time: 00:53:52 UTC
00:54 Lwq1996 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404604_294820653899809_183945914987284_761463_1150390695_n.jpg
00:54 Ponko eh wannabe1987 SarahM?
00:56 Ponko hmmm
00:56 tonsofpcs hmm, not what I was looking for, but four SPIDF inputs apparently (I haven't dug to specs to confirm): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673819-REG/Rane_SIXTY_EIGHT_Sixty_Eight_Professional_4_Channel_USB.html
00:56 BotSteve Title: Rane Sixty-Eight Professional 4-Channel USB DJ SIXTY-EIGHT B&H
00:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The kramer looks fantastic (balanced output = win), but I bet they're stupid pricy.
00:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Take a look at the price.
00:57 tonsofpcs $40 - $60 here, i think.  not sure where their 'glue' products like that are made
00:57 tonsofpcs Monkeh: again, not what I was looking for, but interesting!
00:57 tonsofpcs i mean, building yourself you may want to just find S/PDIF or AES decoding chips
00:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Try £422 for the Kramer.
00:58 tonsofpcs sounds like you're looking at the wrrong part
00:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's the only DAC I see.
00:58 tonsofpcs the bidirectional one is around that cost
00:58 tonsofpcs oh, and the fancy balanced one is too
00:59 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, the balanced one is the only one I can see. And it's ideal, actually, but..
00:59 Ponko lol i showed my gf that Christmas story and said that she honestly is a star :)
00:59 tonsofpcs wait!
00:59 tonsofpcs oh, nevermind, stupid product names that lie
01:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: But yes, I'd like to build one myself (I'd have a real go at replicating the amp in my soundcard, too), but it's a silly expensive not to mention very complex task.
01:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Unfortunately there's nothing on the market that I've seen which does what I want. Leaving me with hacked together SPDIF outputs.
01:02 tonsofpcs hacked together?
01:02 Monkeh tonsofpcs: One of my cards does not have an external SPDIF output.
01:02 Monkeh So I had to give it one.
01:02 Monkeh It was that or use the realtek crap. I chose the easy way.
01:03 tonsofpcs give it one?
01:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Rig up an output on it out of what I had to hand (a PC speaker and an old AV breakout cable)
01:04 tonsofpcs huh?
01:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The target card lacks a SPDIF input so I have to use two cards and an obscenely short cable to connect them (thankfully, the card with the input is very good quality)
01:04 Monkeh And deal with the small issue of pulseaudio being fucking retarded.
01:05 tonsofpcs oo! I know of a decent AES/EBU/SPDIF mixer!  you're not going to like the price though...
01:05 Monkeh Pulse is currently denying the existence of my primary soundcard so I can't have audio from this machine if the other one isn't running.
01:05 tonsofpcs ($900)
01:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No.
01:06 Monkeh I already spend more than I care to on audio
01:06 tonsofpcs sounds like you're overcomplicating a simple problem though.
01:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And your solution is?
01:06 tonsofpcs (on the plus side, it's a PCI[e] card)
01:06 tonsofpcs use an analog mixer
01:07 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Problems: 1: I do not need miles of extra analogue cable running around here
01:07 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 2: Most of them are far too large
01:08 tonsofpcs most of what are far too large?
01:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Analogue mixers worth a crap?
01:08 tonsofpcs it's four (maybe five) pots!
01:08 Monkeh And again, I really do not want loads of analogue cables running around.
01:08 tonsofpcs low-end but still "worth a crap": http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/331962-REG/Rolls_MX42_MX42_Mini_Stereo_Mixer.html
01:08 BotSteve Title: Rolls MX42 Mini Stereo Mixer MX42 B&H Photo Video
01:09 Monkeh This is a hostile environment and every little speck of noise is getting passed into a headphone amp and into my ears via closed headphones
01:09 tonsofpcs so... use balanced connections?
01:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Can't get that here.
01:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Don't have balanced I/O.
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01:10 * tonsofpcs hands Monkeh a transformer
01:10 tonsofpcs there, it's balanced.
01:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Could you hand me a link to somewhere (IN THIS COUNTRY.) I can get suitable transformers at sane prices?
01:11 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And cables and connectors, if you please.
01:11 tonsofpcs what country?
01:11 Monkeh ... I've only been using the £ symbol all day
01:11 tonsofpcs hey, how ddo I know if you're using unicode or have some strange characteer set mapping?
01:11 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm using unicode, I assume you're seeing the symbol correctly.
01:12 tonsofpcs ok then *looks*
01:13 tonsofpcs hmm, looks like you can get a jensen for about 90 GBP!
01:13 Monkeh Note that getting much of anything not available in a supermarket or high street store is a difficult task in this coutnry.
01:14 tonsofpcs anyeay, a quick google: http://www.electronelec.co.uk/acatalog/LT44_AUDIO_TRANSFORMER_____chr_42_____RoHS____chr_42_____.html
01:14 BotSteve Title: LT44 AUDIO TRANSFORMER & chr(42) & RoHS & chr(42) &
01:14 Monkeh Ahh, good, back to hacking stuff together
01:15 IIsi50MHz Ok, now why does Google Code make it so hard to merge issues? I have to open each issue to make sure it's what I want, remember the issue number, open the issue that I want to merge them into, type the issue numbers, then merge.
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01:16 tonsofpcs because that's the google way (tm)
01:16 IIsi50MHz I thought I could just mark the checkbox next to the related issues after verifyin, then would find an option "Merge Selected...", but nothing.
01:16 IIsi50MHz But...that sounds like the Microsoft Way; Google usually makes things /easier/.
01:16 IIsi50MHz O, wait.
01:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If you're able to find soemthing ready made, as I can't make my own PCBs.
01:17 tonsofpcs why do you need a PCB?
01:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Because I would like to do a neat job.
01:17 IIsi50MHz The new Google way is "fix what wasn't broken", like making scrollbars almost invisible and removing the scroll arrows.
01:17 tonsofpcs also, if you google "audio transformer" you'll find ones with wires in/out rather than stubs
01:18 tonsofpcs could just stick connectors on that...
01:19 tonsofpcs alternatively, just put all  the stuff physically close and bond their grounds...
01:20 Coderjoe hahah
01:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Getting it closer than it is is not possible, the grounds are already as 'bonded' as you can reasonably get (again, see: ring final circuit. welcome to my world.)
01:21 Coderjoe Capn coaches handegg at FSU, apparently.
01:21 Coderjoe :P
01:21 Coderjoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQ7LngghWw
01:21 BotSteve Title: Ferris State Football - Chris Boden Video Interview - YouTube
01:21 tonsofpcs being on a ring final doesn't make them bonded....
01:21 tonsofpcs (well, not "as 'bonded' as you can reasonably get)
01:22 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're all connected to the same earthing conductor and that's all I can achieve without screwing with things.
01:22 tonsofpcs screwing into things... but yea, that's what you need...
01:23 Ponko lol nice to see Chris given us an insight to the Bulldogs
01:23 Ponko giving*
01:26 Ponko why was i picturing it was Chris lol
01:27 MoxieMike that chris boden isn't loud enough
01:27 Ponko couldn't hear him over my TV
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01:29 tonsofpcs not enough bodens?
01:30 tonsofpcs oh, good point:  Monkeh: how many bodens must this handle? :)
01:30 tonsofpcs wow... I wish I could screenshot my cablebox's guide... (I don't have it hooked to the PC anymore)...
01:31 MoxieMike ?
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01:31 tonsofpcs 6 competing channels 9:00 - 10:30 (some continuing to 11:00), same program title.
01:33 IIsi O.O Wow, that's thick: National Geographic customer service site requires you to fill out one of two foms on the same page, each of which has a "Next" button, and pressing Enter when done triggers an alert box that says you must click one.
01:33 tonsofpcs *facepalm*
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01:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Hm?
01:35 tonsofpcs a boden is a unit of loud
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01:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I listen to hard rock, metal, etc. So.. quite a few? ;)
01:36 tonsofpcs from what I understand, the loudest hard rock concert is only maybe a half a boden.  I'm not entirely sure and it may not be a fully standardized unit yet...
01:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Take it, amplify it, whack it into a pair of closed headphones.
01:36 tonsofpcs egrsteve: do we have a formalized definition of a boden (unit)?
01:37 * Quadra50MHz zipties his server connection
01:37 tonsofpcs good luck with that :) try swapping AUIs :-p
01:37 * tonsofpcs is now known as IIgs
01:40 * Quadra50MHz inspects the signature inside tosnofpcs' case
01:45 roadran422|50THz Yo
01:46 roadran422|50THz tonsofpcs: It's called a decibel?
01:48 tonsofpcs no, a boden.
01:48 roadran422|50THz ....
01:48 roadran422|50THz .w boden
01:48 tonsofpcs lol
01:48 BotSteve "Fernand Boden, politician from Luxembourg" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boden
01:48 roadran422|50THz :P
01:48 roadran422|50THz dB
01:48 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Can't decide if I should be mean or not.
01:48 tonsofpcs (also, a decibel is just bel*0.1)
01:48 tonsofpcs Monkeh: you should :)
01:48 roadran422|50THz What?
01:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Naaahh.
01:49 tonsofpcs also, skyrim: purchase via steam or purchase a physical copy?
01:49 roadran422|50THz Physical
01:49 roadran422|50THz If you want a cool copy, or steam if you want to play fast
01:49 tonsofpcs roadran422|50THz: benefits?
01:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Steam
01:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No Steam, no SKSE.
01:49 tonsofpcs (really, the mall closes in 10 minutes)
01:49 tonsofpcs SKSE?
01:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Skyrim Script Extender
01:50 tonsofpcs Monkeh: can't you 'migrate' the physical purchase to steam?
01:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Unknown. So Steam.
01:50 Ponko you know i never realised the kid in Platoon was disable
01:50 Ponko -d
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01:58 Phu aha... finally got my mailbox back.
01:58 astro73|alice idk how other publishers do it, but i know that when i bought a physical copy of portal 2, it required steam
02:00 roadran422|50THz ... tonsofpcs
02:00 roadran422|50THz What was your choice?
02:00 Phu next challenge: get mail delivery working again.
02:01 roadran422|50THz For what?
02:01 Monkeh astro73|alice: Because it's a Steam only product.
02:02 astro73|alice ok
02:02 Monkeh Looks like Skyrim might be as well but I'm not sure
02:03 Monkeh I jusy buy on Steam anyway, don't have space for physical copies I won't use.
02:03 Monkeh Er, just
02:03 Monkeh Too tired to type, time to go to bed.
02:03 roadran422|50THz I don't play any games...
02:03 roadran422|50THz I have yet 2 finish portal 2 xD
02:04 roadran422|50THz Which reminds me I have 2 finish portal 2
02:05 Monkeh roadran422|50THz: Kid?
02:05 roadran422|50THz What?
02:05 Monkeh Go play Portal 2.
02:05 roadran422|50THz I am :P
02:06 * tonsofpcs sees no reason to Portal 2
02:06 roadran422|50THz :P defies physics
02:06 * LemLap portal2's your portal2 portal2
02:07 eadthem anyone know of a good place to search for cc or gnugpl type licensed music
02:08 eadthem idealy like pandora  but somthing parametric that can exclude stuff   such as vocals and such
02:08 exor674 can you apply the GPL to music?
02:09 eadthem not very well
02:09 eadthem CC BY SA yes
02:10 astro73|alice dude.
02:11 astro73|alice i've bought a humble bundle and portal 2.
02:11 astro73|alice i don't play many games.
02:11 astro73|alice go f***ing play portal
02:11 eadthem :p
02:12 Quadra50MHz portal++
02:14 Lwq1996 wannabe you here?
02:14 Quadra50MHz Sounds like a fun t-shirt
02:14 Quadra50MHz [Wanna(be] you) here.
02:15 Quadra50MHz Sorry, I do some crazy parsing sometimes.
02:15 Lwq1996 lol
02:15 egrsteve morning
02:15 Lwq1996 hi steve
02:15 egrsteve hi lee
02:15 roadran422|50THz Hey ste
02:15 roadran422|50THz *egrsteve
02:16 * Lwq1996 is coughing up a llung
02:16 astro73|alice SarahM: you're being paged
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02:17 BitViper whew, made it back home in one peice
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02:18 egrsteve BitViper: enjoy your vivit
02:18 egrsteve *visit
02:18 roadran422|50THz I had to cheat.
02:19 BitViper i did i did, and am i right that youre the one i briefly saw all trussed up preparing to hang cameras again ?
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02:19 egrsteve yes
02:19 BitViper i was over in the lounge with two lappys in front of me when you where outside the office
02:20 egrsteve ah ok
02:20 egrsteve heard me go beeping by then
02:20 BitViper i dont think i did, but i was in and out of the lounge helping with other things too
02:24 tonsofpcs BatSteve-Away: http://onemansblog.com/2007/02/08/top-free-flight-simulators/ looks like "YSFlight" might be decent...
02:24 BotSteve Title: Free Flight Simulator Games
02:24 tonsofpcs steve!  Do we have a definition of "boden" (unit of loud)
02:24 egrsteve umm, either my sneeze or air raid at 3 ft
02:24 tonsofpcs also, BatSteve-Away - Aceshigh is apparently free for 2 weeks
02:25 tonsofpcs egrsteve: lol
02:25 tonsofpcs ugh, not only is the same thing on alll channels but _the same feed_ is on all channels.
02:26 egrsteve figures
02:26 Quadra50MHz GE has a flight sim that runs in Firefox.
02:26 Quadra50MHz Seems to have problems in Chrome, especially if you open the config.
02:27 Quadra50MHz I saw someone running it on an Athlon 64.
02:27 Quadra50MHz He was extolling the virtues of it and how much greater it is than any other flight sim he's tried on PC or consoles...while waiting 2-4 seconds per frame.
02:28 Quadra50MHz Poor little CPU just didn't have enough hamsters.
02:41 tonsofpcs Quadra50MHz: we want to dogfight and we have decent PCs
02:41 * tonsofpcs has yoke and throttle quadrant
02:44 Quadra50MHz I've a Trackman Marble and keyboard. Oh, and PS2-style gamepad. /-:
02:45 tonsofpcs I have a gravis flightmaster or something like that somewhere around here :-p
02:45 tonsofpcs I mean, I have an Apple II / PCjr joystick (has a DB9M and a DIP :)
02:45 Quadra50MHz I canna fly in Battlefield 1942's relaxed model with this.
02:45 tonsofpcs but that's notwhat I'd use for flgiht sim
02:45 tonsofpcs hmm?
02:46 tonsofpcs fly? battlefield 1942?
02:46 Quadra50MHz Well, I can get in the air, and stay straight and level, and do slow curves or climbs...but can't fight like this.
02:46 Quadra50MHz Indeed.
02:47 Quadra50MHz Well, wait.
02:47 Quadra50MHz Actually, it's Battlefield Vietnam with WWII-Extended mod, to import the locations and units from BF1942.
02:48 Quadra50MHz Nice to actually have ground cover :-P
02:48 Quadra50MHz Especially for sneaking around.
02:49 Quadra50MHz I tried Battlefield Play4Free...but there's no "prone", and little cover.
02:50 Lwq1996 wow someone found this on the beach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acByoYdRmuo&feature=related
02:50 Quadra50MHz Also, at the time there were only three maps.
02:50 BotSteve Title: 5,000,000 millon dollar gold bar found on beach. - YouTube
02:50 Quadra50MHz O.o
02:51 Lwq1996 you have been rick rolled
02:51 astro73|alice 5 million million dollars?
02:51 yNos BitViper: http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/11/a-magnetic-loop-antenna-for-hf this might work out pretty well for you..
02:51 BotSteve Title: Ham Radio Blog – IW5EDI » A magnetic loop antenna for HF
02:52 yNos it is metric, but i am sure you can translate.
02:53 yNos You dont have to use a vernier drive, but it would be wise to do some sort of reduction with wood circles and rubberbands.. or foam.. or whatever you have to make some sort of reduction.
02:54 yNos small loop antennae have a very high Q factor - meaning very sharp bandwidths
02:56 MoxieMike has the idea of a fractal antenna been discarded?
02:57 BitViper MoxieMike : my biggest issue is lack of tools and materials, on top of being stuck inside a small apartment
02:57 BitViper yNos : many thanks, will look at that
02:58 MoxieMike the guy that discoverd that a fractal shaped antenna was trying to make his HAM radio antenna longer while remaining inside his small apartment
02:59 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2n_Kani0BM&feature=related Red Wings fan
02:59 BotSteve Title: Red Wings Bird! - YouTube
03:00 Ponko BotSteve: tell BatSteve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2n_Kani0BM&feature=related
03:00 BotSteve Ponko: I'll pass that on when BatSteve is around.
03:00 BotSteve Title: Red Wings Bird! - YouTube
03:00 Ponko thanks BotSteve
03:00 BotSteve No problem, Ponko
03:01 Ponko bedtime
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03:03 roadran422|50THz Night...
03:04 astro73|alice ..... how come wikipedia's article on fractal antennas link to special relativity?
03:07 yNos Fractal antennas were more hype than anything else, the only place they proved usefull was in the ghz bands..
03:08 yNos gain vs a colinear of the same size wasnt that great.
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03:09 tonsofpcs yNos: eh, they've proven useful in UHF...
03:10 LemLap sooo jealous of that box of tooling TGG got donated by HAAS
03:11 BitViper LemLap : watch the next blog tomorow morning of the trailer we unloaded today
03:13 tonsofpcs oh, they work at VHF too
03:14 LemLap the big trailer of stuff from haas they keep mentioning BitViper?
03:14 n1mjf good morning TGG
03:15 SparkyProjects LemLap truck was from KUKA i believe
03:16 yNos tonsofpcs: they may be usefull at UHF, but gain fs a colinear of the same size is not worth the hassle/cost of making a fractal antenna. when the freqs are small enough you can print them off on a PCB, then it becomes worth while.
03:16 tonsofpcs http://gomohu.com/the-leaf-indoor-hdtv-antenna/
03:16 yNos **gain vs a collinear..
03:16 BotSteve Title: Mohu Leaf Indoor HDTV Antenna
03:17 tonsofpcs ^^ asthetics (and just plain awesomeness).
03:17 tonsofpcs RCA has a curved one too
03:17 yNos i dont see any gain ratings there.
03:18 yNos if you are looking for sexy, an array of  patch antennas is as good as it gets.. but they are usually hidden in big ugly plastic cases.
03:18 tonsofpcs patch?
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03:19 tonsofpcs I want to make a 2D log periodic and measure it....
03:20 tehEdumacations4 Woo
03:20 yNos http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-fractal-antenna-for-HDTV-DTV-plus-/
03:20 BotSteve Title: How to make a fractal antenna for HDTV / DTV plus more on the cheap
03:20 SparkyProjects If that leaf antenna is like an antenna i stripped from a wireless cctv camera, it's just a square of foil on one side of the separator, and a big square of foil on the other, not much gain at all
03:20 yNos this is not a fractal antenna..
03:20 BitViper LemLap : i think so
03:20 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea, ii'm not sure what the leaf actuaally is
03:20 yNos it is a bow-tie style dipole bent to look fun
03:20 yNos ^^ re the instructables link.
03:21 tonsofpcs RCA (I think) has a partial-fractal in a circle
03:21 tonsofpcs it's 3-layers deep maybe?
03:21 BatSteve sup
03:23 SparkyProjects That instuctables fractal antenna is basically 4 dipoles, but the bending means  that you get multiple polarisation, you would actually lose signal either on the parts that are not polarised right, or where the nodes are weak
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03:25 * n1mjf is making a sterba curtain
03:26 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: does that logic still apply if you add more iterations?
03:26 astro73|alice i think it's supposed to be a poor imitation of the koch curv
03:27 astro73|alice e
03:27 yNos n1mjf: You are lucke enough to have enough room for a curtain?
03:28 n1mjf 50' wide and 16'6" tall
03:28 yNos or are you making it for <15 meters?
03:28 n1mjf not big
03:28 yNos how many squares?
03:28 n1mjf fed with 130' of 450 ohm, it should tune up 160m-6m
03:28 yNos but where does it resonate?
03:29 n1mjf 2 element sterba, so, 2 1/2wave squares and 2 1/4 wave
03:29 n1mjf 28.5MHz
03:29 SparkyProjects Think of it this way, if you need the antenna to be vertical polarisation, and the vertical sections are on the low part of the nodes, you would lose signal, and on that antenna you could lose half the signal over a similar single polarised antenna
03:29 SparkyProjects I would prefer to build a single (horizontal or vertical) and just orient the antenna right
03:29 n1mjf with band openings I think that's the best.
03:30 Lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
03:30 BotSteve Lwq1996: I last saw SarahM 6.78 hours ago at 2012-01-24 20:43:39 UTC on #TGG:NSFW.  Current time: 03:30:14 UTC
03:30 Lwq1996 who else is worried about her?
03:31 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: can you explain that again, this time pretending I haven't studied electromagnetic propogation?
03:31 n1mjf I've talked to 3 people that have built and used sterbas, all 3 swear by them
03:32 n1mjf Decent plans for a sterba http://www.hamuniverse.com/sturba.html
03:32 BotSteve Title: BUILD A STURBA CURTAIN ANTENNA FOR ALL HF BANDS!
03:32 n1mjf check out the EZNEC models
03:33 BatSteve Lwq1996: I know she's having a tough time
03:33 BatSteve I'm not at "concerned" yet
03:33 BatSteve Has she told you something she hasn't told me?
03:34 SparkyProjects astro73|alice: Take a dipole, along its length there's a current wave and a voltage wave
03:34 SparkyProjects The peaks of the waves are the nodes, the signal is greatest at the node
03:34 SparkyProjects If the signal is vertical, and the node is horizontal, you lose signal
03:34 SparkyProjects With the fractal there are parts of the dipoles at different polarizations, so only one bit will ever be in polarisation
03:35 SarahM .seen yNos
03:35 BotSteve SarahM: I last saw yNos 0.11 hours ago at 2012-01-25 03:28:54 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:35:41 UTC
03:35 astro73|alice but it'll have good performance over a wider range, vs great performance in a narrow range
03:36 SarahM yNos: how difficult would it be to get permission to put my car on the lift?
03:36 SarahM and why are men stupid?
03:36 SparkyProjects astro73|alice: http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/antennas/dipole/3halfwavedipole.gif
03:37 Lwq1996 WANNABE
03:37 SarahM black men in this case, no offense to anyone
03:37 astro73|alice SarahM: our junk
03:37 * Lwq1996 runs and hugs
03:37 BatSteve hi kelly!
03:37 SarahM why's that mean you have to touch random girls' asses?!
03:37 SarahM hi
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03:37 SarahM i'm pissed about 2 different things....1) the guys that did that and 2) my fucking car won't stay on the driveway with my handbrake set
03:38 SarahM its supposed to do that
03:38 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: so like i said. A fractal antenna won't give great performance, but will be alright over a wider range
03:38 SarahM IT WON"T
03:38 SarahM its parked on the road for tonight
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03:39 astro73|alice SarahM: that's what smacking is for, isn't it?
03:39 wannabe1987 men?  or the car?
03:39 Lwq1996 uh oh wannabes car is broken
03:39 SparkyProjects A fractal antenna won't give great performance, but will work with any polarisation
03:39 BatSteve put it in first gear instead?
03:39 astro73|alice men
03:39 wannabe1987 i slammed the doors....
03:40 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: what i said?
03:40 wannabe1987 it was in 3rd bats, and went back anyway....
03:40 SparkyProjects Not quite, read again
03:40 Lwq1996 how?????
03:40 wannabe1987 because my tranny sucks?  idk
03:40 SparkyProjects I'm assuming wide range means bandwidth :P
03:40 Toastdude Hi
03:41 yNos SarahM: not sure.. depends on what needs to be done..
03:41 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: i was thinking frequency, but the same logic applies to polarization?
03:41 wannabe1987 handbrake needs to be fixed/looked at
03:41 BatSteve oh!
03:42 BatSteve wannabe1987: Just chock the tires
03:42 yNos e-brakes and michigan.. use it or lose it.
03:42 SparkyProjects Frequency is dependent on length of the poles, usually they are tuned to the middle of the band you want to use
03:42 wannabe1987 no thanks bats, thats something extra to keep in the car...
03:42 SparkyProjects Polarisation depends on vertical/horizontal
03:42 BatSteve It's a chock, it's like two pieces of wood.  But ok.
03:43 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: from what i was reading, because of fractal's complex shape, there are multiple tunings in the same antenna, making it usable over a broad range
03:43 SparkyProjects Personally i would take that as hype to sell the antenna
03:45 astro73|alice SparkyProjects: it was wikipedia, and it feels right? But i still expect it to not perform as well when you're dealing with specific frequencies
03:45 astro73|alice also, afaik, antenna design is a little bit art and black magic
03:46 egrsteve there is always a catch with antennas, gain, bandwidth, polarization, I have get to see a perfect antenna, picking antennas seems to be a matter of comprimise that fits the situation best
03:46 tonsofpcs this is why there's test ranges that model antennas
03:46 yNos n1mjf: the eznec models are only accurate for the designed frequencies.. sterbas are great antenna where they fall in resonance.. out of resonance they are not much better than a loop taking up the same cross section.
03:46 egrsteve * yet to see...
03:47 SparkyProjects Well it's a simple enough project, so give it a go
03:47 yNos i have used a 4 element sterba on 20, it was an amazing antenna
03:48 yNos on any other band though, it want much better than my 80 meter delta loop.
03:48 yNos **wasnt
03:48 yNos egrsteve: why would you want something in both the H and V planes?
03:48 egrsteve circular polarized
03:49 n1mjf yNos: The designer of that claims that the 130' of ladder line helps there. The gain on 160 and 80 is not there but for someone that has a 35'x70' yard, that may be my best answer
03:49 egrsteve handy when the polarization is unkown or can change
03:49 yNos as far as my "perfect wideband antenna", i like collinears, they are simple to make with junk coax and are able to cover all of 440.
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03:50 SparkyProjects ynos, if you have a cross Yagi, and can build the switch, you can recieve horizontal, vertical, or circular (as steve said) in either rotation
03:50 egrsteve true, coverina all of 440 can be tricky
03:50 n1mjf yNos, I'm also about 2500' away from a runway at RI's major airport. I'm limited to no higher then 30'
03:50 wannabe1987 steve, did you have fun driving the lift in the road?  sorry my car was in the way
03:50 SarahM hi Lwq1996
03:50 egrsteve sure, not the first time down the street with it either
03:50 yNos circular polarazation is different from h/v.. you can have LHcp and RHcp.. they are all different..
03:51 Lwq1996 which computer should i message wannabe?
03:51 wannabe1987 ah.  ok
03:51 wannabe1987 either
03:51 n1mjf I have a Comet GP-9 for 2m & 440 but I really never cared much for over 30Mhz.
03:51 SarahM :)
03:51 egrsteve and mixing them does not work
03:51 yNos for most terrestrial links, H/F is standard.
03:52 yNos and below 30 mhz, polarization doesnt really matter beyond the ground wave... once it hits the ionosphere all bets are off..
03:52 egrsteve agreed
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03:53 yNos for vhf horiz, if i need omni i go with a simple cloverleaf or turnstyle antenna..
03:53 n1mjf Oh, I realize that. If I recall correctly after a bounce it becomes rotational
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03:53 yNos if i need something directional, a yagi or quad is my pref
03:53 ajprog_laptop wannabe1987: both
03:53 egrsteve ynos my original point is there is no one antenna with all the charicteristics you may want at once
03:53 wannabe1987 both?
03:54 n1mjf The radio club I belong to has a Collins 237b-1 log. Best antenna I've used on HF
03:54 yNos after it bounces off the ionosphere it can can be horiz, vert or any combo of the 2.. it is not reflecting off a nice curved "surface", it can have waves, troughs and peaks..
03:55 yNos that is why things tend to fade in and out when you listen to a sky wave.
03:55 n1mjf Check this thing out... (1800+lbs of antenna) http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeuzrm0/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Log.JPG
03:56 wannabe1987 and this is why i dislike my dell.  its pinging soon
03:56 yNos an HF log would be fun
03:56 n1mjf I think the total with of that rear element is near 90'
03:56 n1mjf and it's 82' long
03:57 wannabe1987 my fb wall was spammed....by kate :D
03:57 yNos http://www.ok1rr.com/news.php?extend.63.1 this is scary..
03:57 BotSteve Title: OH8X 160m Yagi - OK1RR DX & Contesting Page
03:57 n1mjf I've seen that
03:57 n1mjf Nuts..
03:59 BatSteve kate?
03:59 * BatSteve goes looking
03:59 Toastdude BatSteve!
03:59 BatSteve oh, other one
03:59 BatSteve (: good for her
03:59 n1mjf Welp.. Gotta commute to work now. I'll be back once I'm setup at work. ;-)
03:59 SparkyProjects My ex neighbour had something that looked that size, though his was a cubical quad plus another
03:59 yNos i need to get to bed
04:00 BatSteve All around the country, coast to coast, people always say what do you like most?  I don't wanna brag, I don't wanna boast, I always tell 'em, I like Toast(dude)
04:00 Toastdude :D
04:00 yNos lowband directionals are huge.
04:00 Toastdude Yeah
04:00 Toastdude Toast!
04:00 wannabe1987 feels fucking stupid
04:00 Toastdude Why?
04:01 * wannabe1987 is going to be the violinist at the back of the section playing wrong notes
04:01 BatSteve YEAH TOAST
04:01 BatSteve :D
04:01 wannabe1987 BatSteve: kate = my best friend in texas
04:01 wannabe1987 she went there for school
04:01 wannabe1987 why is texas 18 hours away by car?
04:02 BatSteve Because it's better than being 18 hours away by plane?
04:03 wannabe1987 how long by plane?
04:04 Toastdude Bye all
04:04 wannabe1987 why did my computer lose internet?
04:04 wannabe1987 noessssssss
04:04 wannabe1987 not you too!!!!!
04:04 wannabe1987 eaten by the bed monster
04:04 wannabe1987 theres a dr who reference on my fb, you should check it out
04:04 wannabe1987 k?
04:04 Toastdude Sorry..
04:04 wannabe1987 hahahah dr who said penettrated
04:05 BatSteve this is the best channel ever.
04:05 ajprog_laptop wannabe1987: I don't know I am flying down on Feb 1st
04:05 wannabe1987 where in texas?
04:06 wannabe1987 bats, you said that earlier....
04:06 ajprog_laptop austin
04:06 Lwq1996 anyone ever use a knife to sharpen a pencil :/
04:06 wannabe1987 she's in dallas
04:06 wannabe1987 my dr who is all pixelly and the visiual sucks :/
04:06 wannabe1987 yes lee
04:06 SparkyProjects Lwq1996: many times
04:07 SparkyProjects Also, they don't make a pencil sharpener for a carpenters pencil
04:07 Lwq1996 sparkyprojects, actually yes they do
04:07 Lwq1996 i have one
04:08 SparkyProjects For an oval pencil ?
04:08 Lwq1996 its like a regular one but with an insert thats square
04:08 Lwq1996 yes
04:08 BatSteve wannabe1987: I meant it earlier too
04:08 wannabe1987 ?
04:08 BatSteve I always just used a knife
04:09 wannabe1987 ah.  thats cuz we were talking about dicks, duh
04:09 BatSteve yep
04:09 wannabe1987 my computers need to start WORKING
04:09 astro73|alice Lwq1996: my woodshop teacher used the grinder
04:10 tonsofpcs erm... why is #thegeekgroup talking about dicks and #TGG:NSFW talking about virtual machines?
04:10 Lwq1996 lol mine does too
04:10 Lwq1996 lol
04:10 wannabe1987 because we're backwards
04:10 wannabe1987 both places were talking about dicks earlier, just NSFW had pics
04:10 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/play-games-on-mac.jpg/1327464529
04:12 Lwq1996 wow, sharper than a pencil sharpened with a regular sharpener
04:13 astro73|alice i just use mechanical
04:13 wannabe1987 prolly cuz a regular sharpener is dull
04:13 wannabe1987 usually i use mechanical, but today in orchestra it was a normal pencil
04:14 Lwq1996 i have them, but they're all out of graphite
04:14 astro73|alice what i did is i bought a huge bag of cheap ones
04:14 BatSteve tonsofpcs: this is why we need a quotes database
04:15 BatSteve http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup | Channel log: http://bit.ly/fPNer2 |  Minecraft TGG Lab File: http://goo.gl/zz0PK | MEMBER BLOGS http://is.gd/tggblogs | tonsofpcs: erm... why is #thegeekgroup talking about dicks and #TGG:NSFW talking about virtual machines?
04:15 Topic for #thegeekgroup is now http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup | Channel log: http://bit.ly/fPNer2 |  Minecraft TGG Lab File: http://goo.gl/zz0PK | MEMBER BLOGS http://is.gd/tggblogs | tonsofpcs: erm... why is #thegeekgroup talking about dicks and #TGG:NSFW talking about virtual machines?
04:15 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group » Topic: Member Blogs! Yay!
04:15 Lwq1996 I HATE CHEAP ONES, they suck so bad
04:15 BatSteve you dumb bot.
04:15 Lwq1996 i sit on them and break them
04:15 astro73|alice well, don't sit on them
04:15 astro73|alice the good ones i loose
04:15 astro73|alice or i use up all the eraser
04:16 wannabe1987 lol
04:16 Lwq1996 i can keep a mechanical pencil 3months if they are good
04:17 tonsofpcs lol BatSteve
04:18 tonsofpcs you don't need a QDB, that's what the topic is for :)
04:18 BatSteve Yeah, but that means that when something new comes along, the old thing is lost to the voids
04:18 tonsofpcs and everyone's logs...
04:18 tonsofpcs my longest run in a topic is a bit over 2.5 years ;)
04:21 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: 3 months? I have some drafting pens that are over 3 YEARS old.
04:22 wannabe1987 o.  look.  sarahM has internet again.  i never moved it.
04:23 astro73|alice a QDB means that more than one person can submit quotes, too
04:24 astro73|alice there are some people that said that might be able to host a QDB when i was asking about stats hosting, if someone wants to make it so
04:25 wannabe1987 NeWtoz: you were working on a qdb?
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04:35 Coderjoe http://memebase.com/2012/01/24/internet-memes-dont-blink-or-the-terrorists-win/
04:35 BotSteve Title: Don’t Blink, or the Terrorists Win - Memebase: Rage Comics, Forever Alone, Y U No Guy, Troll Face, Foul Bachelor Frog
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04:42 wannabe1987 hi BotSteve!
04:42 BotSteve Greetings wannabe1987!
04:49 Lwq1996 batsteve did botsteve get an upgrade
04:49 Lwq1996 i havent been paying attention
04:51 BatSteve Lwq1996: not yet
04:51 BatSteve right now I'm just testing
04:52 Lwq1996 ah
04:54 wannabe1987 testing?  bzzzt
04:56 BatSteve This next test is very difficult.
04:56 BatSteve .yt smooth jazz will be deployed
04:56 BotSteve BatSteve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyox8Ylk9vE
05:00 Lwq1996 you know the new movie comming out called the lorax?
05:01 wannabe1987 mhm
05:01 Lwq1996 i want to go see it
05:02 * wannabe1987 has grilled cheese
05:03 Lwq1996 mmmmm
05:03 BatSteve don't worry, the bot will be back, I'm just taking him out of this channel so he doesn't get spammy
05:04 Lwq1996 lol
05:04 wannabe1987 lol ok
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05:07 wannabe1987 ...
05:08 Lwq1996 lol
05:12 BatSteve astro73: still alive?
05:12 BatSteve er, astro73|alice: still alive?
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05:15 astro73|alice BatSteve: what's up?
05:15 BatSteve fixed tell, I think.
05:15 astro73|alice i was watching castle
05:15 Lwq1996 .tel
05:15 astro73|alice again?
05:15 Lwq1996 .tell
05:15 BotSteve Sorry, .tell is not yet implemented.  Use BotSteve: tell
05:15 KawaiiJess Whar the fuck is Katemonster
05:15 BatSteve yeah
05:15 BatSteve Sorry to interrupt castle
05:15 Lwq1996 sleeping
05:16 BatSteve This time it's fixed in the jsonstore.
05:16 astro73|alice it's done, don't worry
05:16 astro73|alice umm....
05:16 Lwq1996 KawaiiJess she posted a status on facebook that she got home and went straight to bed
05:16 sndwrx I found something neat in Weechat that gags join and part messages from users who haven't said anything in the channel within X number of minutes.
05:16 KawaiiJess Ah I see
05:16 BatSteve or whatever we're calling the most current storage system
05:16 astro73|alice htat's fine
05:16 astro73|alice you don't need to del, though
05:17 BatSteve Oh, because the = will overwrite.
05:17 BatSteve yeah?
05:17 astro73|alice right
05:17 BatSteve derp.
05:17 BatSteve oh well.
05:18 BatSteve Hopefully it will remain squashed this time.
05:18 astro73|alice let me fix that bit for you
05:18 BatSteve ok
05:20 astro73|alice oh hey.
05:21 wannabe1987 damn weeping angels
05:21 astro73|alice you can use just .get() and cut down on the IO
05:21 wannabe1987 they came back!
05:21 BatSteve Go for it.
05:23 astro73|alice try that
05:24 astro73|alice https://github.com/Steve-V/tgg-BotSteve/commit/c035f5b73659b0da40e638cfd6de675b6a557d53
05:24 BotSteve Title: Commit c035f5b73659b0da40e638cfd6de675b6a557d53 to Steve-V/tgg-BotSteve - GitHub
05:24 astro73|alice nice and elegant
05:24 Lwq1996 today in history: the first can of beer went on sale
05:26 BatSteve Cool, trying it now astro
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05:27 BatSteve aw
05:28 astro73|alice aw?
05:28 BatSteve yeah
05:28 BatSteve spelling error
05:28 BatSteve check -bots
05:29 BatSteve or, never mind
05:29 BatSteve I'll do it here
05:29 BatSteve BotSteve: tell astro73|alice a
05:29 BotSteve NameError: global name 'tels' is not defined (file "/home/steve/src/hg/tgg/hg-botsteve/modules/tell.py", line 67, in f_remind)
05:29 astro73|alice *headdesk*
05:29 astro73|alice this is what i get for editing on github
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05:29 BatSteve happens
05:30 BatSteve say something astro73|alice
05:30 astro73|alice hi
05:30 BotSteve astronouth7303: I have the following messages for you:
05:30 BotSteve At 05:29Z, Batsteve asked me to tell astronouth7303 a
05:30 BotSteve At 05:30Z, Batsteve asked me to tell astronouth7303 b
05:30 BotSteve At 05:30Z, Batsteve asked me to tell astronouth7303 c
05:30 BatSteve (:
05:30 astro73|alice cool
05:31 astro73|alice just remember that reload breaks storage horribly at this point
05:31 BatSteve yep
05:31 BatSteve noted
05:31 astro73|alice and should probably be refactored anyone to avoid code duplication
05:31 astro73|alice *anyway
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05:33 * wannabe1987 may or may not be in today's video....i will check when it comes online
05:33 BatSteve a whole lot of things should be refactored
05:33 BatSteve I think most codebases are like that.
05:33 KawaiiJess The definition of definition is definition. Everything is well. Don't questing your government
05:34 KawaiiJess question* :P
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05:34 astro73|alice BatSteve: some more than others. BotSteve definantly shows its mixed heritage
05:35 wannabe1987 BotSteve: ask BitViper why he didn't say he was from remus.  i have family from there
05:35 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when BitViper is around.
05:36 BatSteve yeah.  I doubt that we'll ever be able to make everyone happy about the state of his code.
05:36 wannabe1987 lol
05:36 BatSteve Luckily, we don't have to make everyone happy.  We only have to make me happy.  For everyone else, there's the "fork" button.  :D
05:36 wannabe1987 greg was talking about code to me tonight...i had no clue what he was talking about....
05:38 astro73|alice yup. Doesn't mean that you can't make it Done Right.
05:38 BatSteve Right, certainly.
05:38 astro73|alice you know, single methodology, sane codebase
05:38 astro73|alice easy extensibility
05:40 astro73|alice umm.... what's GH-25 exactly?
05:41 BatSteve dunno
05:41 BatSteve ::looks::
05:41 BatSteve oh
05:42 astro73|alice last i knew, ChanServ had options for fairly rich permissions
05:43 BatSteve I am a big believer in giving users as much power as possible.  To that end, I have this idea that we should op the bot and then make access to the admin/kick (and some other) commands available to a list of trusted users in the channel
05:43 BatSteve "trusted users" here meaning "if I know your name and have talked to you at least twice"
05:43 wannabe1987 hmmmm
05:43 BatSteve This idea fills monks with panic.
05:43 wannabe1987 it has me wondering about a few things
05:44 wannabe1987 i don't blame monks
05:44 BatSteve So even though all the code is done (which I really should leave a comment about) I haven't implemented it.
05:44 astro73|alice except chanserv already does it and probably does it better
05:44 * wannabe1987 makes "break me off a piece of that kit kat bar" song and noises
05:45 BatSteve Really?
05:45 BatSteve ChanServ on Freenode does halfops?
05:45 wannabe1987 why wouldn't it?
05:45 astro73|alice not halfops, but does do rich permissions
05:46 BatSteve If you have details of this, I would love to hear them.
05:46 Hackbat Recattear is an AWESOME game
05:46 astro73|alice /msg chanserv help commands|access|flags
05:46 Hackbat *Recettear
05:48 BatSteve astro73|alice: okay, I've read all of those before
05:48 BatSteve I see no way to allow users to use /kick without allowing them to use any other commands.  Perhaps I've missed it?
05:49 BatSteve wannabe1987: what does it have you wondering about?
05:49 wannabe1987 well, people could get in "kicking wars" or people (myself, possibly) getting REALLY ANNOYED at a certian person or two and kicking them to get peace and quiet here
05:50 * Lwq1996 burns foot on charger
05:50 astro73|alice BatSteve: hm. you're right. I would call that an oversite
05:50 wannabe1987 CB time
05:50 BatSteve wannabe1987: and I personally am ok with that.
05:50 Lwq1996 theres a new cb out?
05:50 wannabe1987 kicking wars?
05:50 egrsteve limit kick frequency
05:50 wannabe1987 no, i'm behind, lee
05:51 BatSteve We've had them before.  The world didn't end.
05:51 astro73|alice also, not only do you want known people, but you want them to be secured with nickserv and known to be fair
05:51 wannabe1987 and you're ok with me kicking people that are pissing me off?
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05:51 wannabe1987 lee, i'm behind from the 13th till now o.O
05:51 astro73|alice this is the geek group, not anarchists international
05:51 wannabe1987 hi Hydroelectric!
05:51 Hydroelectric Hey wannabe1987.
05:51 wannabe1987 .define annarchy
05:51 BotSteve Couldn't get any definitions for annarchy.
05:52 wannabe1987 .define anarchy
05:52 BotSteve anarchy — noun: 1. (uncountable) The state of a society being without authoritarians or a governing body, 2. (uncountable) Anarchism; the political theory that a community is best organized by the voluntary cooperation of individuals, rather than by a government, which is regarded as being co[...]
05:52 wannabe1987 helps to spell things properly
05:52 Lwq1996 this is freaky, this kid kinda looks like me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84VtmYvafF0&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G2153f5aFUAAAAAAAGAA
05:52 BotSteve Title: CDC Electronic Workshop - The Outtakes - YouTube
05:52 Lwq1996 and i say kinda in a loose term
05:53 Lwq1996 i havent looked like him in a year
05:53 BatSteve wannabe1987: Well, no, I'm not ok with you randomly kicking people, but I believe that most people are basically responsible most of the time
05:53 wannabe1987 ah.  it wouldn't be random, technically.  i'm working on tolerating untoleratable people
05:53 BatSteve and I personally would rather err on the side of more people have more power instead of less people having less power.
05:53 CaptainNiobe i only kick when i mean it, and in fun... i don't kick when people annoy me
05:53 BatSteve * less people having all the power
05:53 * Lwq1996 jumps on niobe
05:54 BatSteve CaptainNiobe: yes, but you're an op, you're one of the 1%
05:54 BatSteve (:
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05:54 CaptainNiobe :D
05:54 wannabe1987 hi dude
05:54 BatSteve Our opinions are automatically not valid
05:54 BatSteve .w hey dude
05:54 BotSteve "Hey Dude is an American Western comedy series that aired from 1989 to 1991." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Dude
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05:54 Lwq1996 dude wheres my car
05:54 Lwq1996 :P
05:54 wannabe1987 hi electricguy
05:54 wannabe1987 is it morning already?
05:54 BatSteve I dunno. Think it over.
05:55 Hydroelectric Hey electricguy.
05:55 BatSteve That goes for everyone here.
05:55 BatSteve What do you guys think?
05:55 BatSteve if you don't want to say whatever it is in channel, tell me in PM.
05:55 Hydroelectric What is this about?
05:55 sndwrx Think about what?
05:55 Lwq1996 we need to get people into guns :P
05:55 astro73|alice i think the current access list is fine. I'm ok with the idea of half-ops, but i don't think it's necessary.
05:55 wannabe1987 no
05:55 Lwq1996 why not
05:56 wannabe1987 sndwrx: giving people kicking power
05:56 BatSteve Hydroelectric / sndwrx: wait 1 sec, finding a link
05:56 Hydroelectric Ok.
05:56 BatSteve http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/2012-01-25#i_5047421
05:56 BatSteve there
05:56 wannabe1987 boden: whats got big balls and hangs up :click:
05:56 BotSteve Title: IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-01-25
05:56 CaptainNiobe my concern is people getting a little too kick-happy... last thing we want is a new tgger coming in and getting immediately kicked because of a little "who-can-kick-the-fastest" comp going on...
05:57 wannabe1987 ....
05:58 * wannabe1987 is almost out of chocolate :/
05:58 wannabe1987 BotSteve, i need a chocolate delivery!
05:58 Thermoelectric That's what the kill switch is for, CaptainNiobe
05:58 exor674 wannabe1987: how did you let this happen!
05:58 wannabe1987 by not buying enough, apparently
05:58 sndwrx How about votes?
05:58 astro73|alice also, according to chanserv, thermo and bats are more in charge than mom
05:58 wannabe1987 votes how?
05:59 wannabe1987 really.  interesting....
05:59 sndwrx A voting system that goes through BotSteve.  If X number of people vote, including a valid complaint, then he'll boot whomever.
05:59 Thermoelectric astro73|alice, That
05:59 astro73|alice sndwrx: that sounds more plausable and reasonable
05:59 Thermoelectric astro73|alice, That's because BatSteve and I started the channel, so Chanserv gave us all the flags, Monks has all the flags needed.
06:00 wannabe1987 ahhhh
06:00 CaptainNiobe could work, except how to cause the bot to identify what's a valid complaint? and how do you determine how many votes are needed to kick someone?
06:00 astro73|alice fair enough
06:00 BatSteve sndwrx: we actually talked about that already - the problem that I have with this is that it's technically very easy to come up with enough fraudulent freenode logins to spam any voting system
06:00 astro73|alice it's easy, but is it worth it?
06:00 * wannabe1987 wants a computer that can handle youtube
06:00 wannabe1987 kthxbai
06:00 egrsteve only IDed users can vote?
06:01 sndwrx BatSteve: What about using what astro73|alice has been working on for seen, as a basis to help weed out fraudulent votes?
06:01 astro73|alice sndwrx: that's what he means
06:01 Thermoelectric That and anyone trusted enough to be given permission, should have the ability to kick without having to vote.
06:01 astro73|alice registering for nick serve is easy enough that it's not really a reliable way
06:01 BatSteve right
06:01 Hydroelectric Just assign the power to certain people are won't abuse it.
06:02 BatSteve and my thinking is, if I trust you enough to allow you to vote, why should you need to vote?
06:02 egrsteve true, I suppose I could regerster n+1 names
06:02 astro73|alice but one could make the argument that if someone is working hard enough to make all those accounts and switch between them, maybe you should let them?
06:02 sndwrx True, however, there could be a number of checks.  For instance including IP.  Things like that wouldn't completely prevent fraudulent activity, but it thwart to some extent.
06:03 BatSteve hahaha monks is gone!  dance party!
06:03 * BatSteve dances
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06:03 wannabe1987 wb Hackbat :)
06:03 * wannabe1987 dances with BatSteve
06:03 CaptainNiobe ... my poor baby... :P
06:03 Hydroelectric Hello Hackbat.
06:03 * BatSteve dances with wannabe1987
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06:03 wannabe1987 ....poor niobe
06:03 BatSteve darn
06:03 * Hydroelectric sits in the corner and watches the dancing.
06:03 Thermoelectric Hehe
06:03 astro73|alice anyways, i've got stuff to do
06:03 wannabe1987 o wait nvm
06:03 CaptainNiobe SUCK EGGS! :D
06:03 astro73|alice you all have fun
06:03 wannabe1987 night astro
06:03 BatSteve astro73|alice: roger that, have a good night.  Thanks for the help.
06:04 Hackbat interesting, must of been a clean d/c
06:04 CaptainNiobe goodnight astro73
06:04 Hydroelectric Night astro73|alice.
06:04 Thermoelectric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo
06:04 BotSteve Title: Tunak Tunak Tun (Best Copy) - YouTube
06:04 BatSteve I dunno.
06:05 BatSteve it's a thorny problem
06:05 wannabe1987 i was talking e-cigs at work the other day
06:05 BatSteve (In fairness, I have also considered saying "screw it" and just doing it, and dealing with the fallout afterwards)
06:05 sndwrx Not al are created equal.
06:05 sndwrx wannabe1987:
06:05 wannabe1987 told her about volcano
06:05 BatSteve (as yet I have not been bold enough)
06:06 wannabe1987 up to you
06:06 wannabe1987 .
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06:08 * Hydroelectric is leaving for 15 minutes. He will be right back...
06:08 wannabe1987 hi cdr1
06:08 wannabe1987 ok  bye
06:09 cdr1 hello
06:09 wannabe1987 i had +v from jkl earlier
06:10 BatSteve it's basically useless
06:10 wannabe1987 ik
06:10 BatSteve but he asked
06:10 electricguy morning
06:10 BatSteve hi electricguy
06:10 wannabe1987 hihi
06:10 BatSteve er, cdr1
06:10 BatSteve howdy
06:10 sndwrx Useless depending on the channel modes.
06:10 BatSteve Right
06:10 * electricguy is tired as heck
06:10 BatSteve Well, I think the channel has been +m about twice in it's entire history.
06:10 wannabe1987 sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
06:11 cdr1 I am new member can I access the videos found on youtube from this site learning about tesla coil
06:11 sndwrx How long have you run this channel?
06:11 electricguy i tried.. have slept about 3h tonight o_O
06:11 wannabe1987 :/
06:11 BatSteve sndwrx: hmm
06:11 BatSteve sndwrx: 2 years, 11 weeks, 23 hours, or so.
06:11 Thermoelectric Woo.
06:11 BatSteve at least that's when Thermo's flags were last modified.
06:12 BatSteve and he and I have been here since the beginning
06:12 sndwrx "Couple of years" would have sufficed.  :)
06:12 BatSteve :P
06:12 wannabe1987 lol
06:12 BatSteve cdr1: you can do a search for "tesla coils"
06:12 cdr1 ok
06:12 cdr1 thanks
06:13 cdr1 thinking about building one
06:13 wannabe1987 cool.  what country are you in?
06:13 cdr1 us
06:13 cdr1 kentucky
06:13 wannabe1987 cool
06:14 cdr1 how bout you guys
06:14 wannabe1987 grand rapids MI
06:14 electricguy sweden
06:14 wannabe1987 BatSteve is in MI as well
06:14 cdr1 awsome
06:14 BatSteve yep
06:14 sndwrx BatSteve: How long have you guys been working on BotSteve ?
06:15 * Hydroelectric lives in Cairns, Australia...
06:15 BatSteve Good question!
06:15 cdr1 i will leave ya'll alone just had that question maybe catch ya again wow australia cool
06:15 BatSteve I'm not entirely sure.  The earliest entry in GitHub says April 2011
06:15 BatSteve But it was probably a bit earlier than that.
06:16 BatSteve Before BotSteve, we had another bot named DrBotasauraus
06:16 BatSteve Dr Bot was awesome.  Even though he only did three things.
06:16 wannabe1987 ...
06:16 wannabe1987 i <3 BotSteve
06:16 Lwq1996 this is katemonster http://www.damnlol.com/sexy-and-dangerous-i-like-13804.html
06:16 BotSteve Title: Sexy And Dangerous! I Like! - Damn! LOL
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06:17 BatSteve Heh, it's even the correct type of rifle
06:17 BatSteve Thermoelectric: do you remember what Dr Bot did?  I think he did "tell".
06:18 Thermoelectric No clue. Been a while.
06:19 BatSteve definitely
06:19 BatSteve drat
06:19 BatSteve it's morning
06:19 BatSteve .t est
06:19 BotSteve Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:19:52 EST
06:19 wannabe1987 mhm
06:19 BatSteve bedtime
06:20 wannabe1987 night
06:21 Hydroelectric Mmm, big storm. :D
06:21 Hydroelectric Night BatSteve-Away.
06:21 wannabe1987 yay storms
06:21 Hydroelectric .weather Cairns
06:21 BotSteve Cloudy, 28℃, 1002mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - YBCS 06:00Z
06:22 Hydroelectric Mmm, lightning...
06:22 Thermoelectric I like storms too.
06:22 Hydroelectric Big flash of lightning then.
06:22 wannabe1987 :D
06:23 Thermoelectric Storm streaming at http://t.co/9onUSpWs
06:23 BotSteve Title: Cyclone Season 2011/2012 on USTREAM: .
06:24 Hydroelectric Another big flash.
06:24 Hydroelectric Windows just shook violently. Uh oh.
06:25 n1mjf bsod?
06:26 Thermoelectric Storm.
06:26 * Hydroelectric chuckles at n1mjf's comment.
06:26 n1mjf oh.
06:26 wannabe1987 lol
06:26 wannabe1987 hi matt
06:27 n1mjf GM wannabe
06:28 wannabe1987 eh.  i guess it is morning on our side of the country, eh?
06:29 n1mjf ..just morning for me. I awake at around 10pm, it's 1:30 now so almost my afternoon
06:29 wannabe1987 o.O  i get out of work most days at 10....or i'm supposed to get out at 10
06:29 n1mjf I get out afer 8am
06:30 wannabe1987 yeah.  3rds.  i do 2nds
06:30 wannabe1987 could never do 1sts
06:31 n1mjf I can do 1st or 3rd, 3rd pays more though and is a peaceful crew.
06:31 wannabe1987 that works
06:31 n1mjf I've also always been a night person
06:31 wannabe1987 "we're geeks!  we can fix it!"  my version: "we're geeks!  we have google!  we can fix anything"
06:32 n1mjf Google is a great tool
06:32 wannabe1987 i love google :D
06:32 wannabe1987 but i love BotSteve more :P
06:33 Thermoelectric The storm is getting closer, that strike made things rattle. :D
06:33 n1mjf I also love linux...and OpenBSD. lol
06:34 wannabe1987 i don't do/have linux, but maybe i should.  stupid netbook
06:34 wannabe1987 doesn't like windows 7 home premium.  hmmmm i wonder why?
06:34 n1mjf lol
06:37 n1mjf I do still have a Win7 x64 box for my gaming and also runs my Flexradio (software defined ham radio)
06:37 wannabe1987 cool
06:37 wannabe1987 time for my nightly 750cc's of water :P
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06:44 wannabe1987 wb
06:45 sndwrx Did you welcome yourself back?
06:45 wannabe1987 no, Hydroelectric
06:46 sndwrx Oh.  I didn't see anything.
06:46 wannabe1987 i could, but i'm not quite back to normaly yet :P
06:46 wannabe1987 normal*
06:46 sndwrx I forgot that I gagged join and part messages.  :D
06:46 wannabe1987 ah. why
06:47 sndwrx Because it's obnoxious.
06:47 sndwrx Especially in channels where there is more join/part activity than conversation.
06:47 wannabe1987 i like to know when people leave so i can't continue to talk to them
06:47 sndwrx It's displayed if they've been active in the channel within the last three minutes.
06:48 Hydroelectric Sorry I left, Telstra went down by the looks of it during the storm.
06:52 DruidicRifleman night geeks
06:52 Hydroelectric Night DruidicRifleman...
06:52 wannabe1987 night druid.  take care
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06:52 Hydroelectric Hello Seroster.
06:53 Seroster Can anyone tell me how to change the fucking txt message signal (OR ANY SIGNAL) on my god damn Samsung GT S5350?
06:53 Hydroelectric Not too sure on that one.
06:54 wannabe1987 hold on
06:55 Seroster I could change the fucking ringtone on my Nokia3310
06:55 Seroster I have never had a phone that you cant figure it out from a few minutes of menue surfing
06:55 Seroster But this...
06:55 wannabe1987 why don't you have a nokia?  i hear they're awesome
06:55 Seroster There is nothing in settings
06:55 Seroster AT ALL
06:55 Seroster Went into the folder where the file is, hit "options" and still cant "use as ringtone"
06:55 Seroster DERP
07:00 Seroster I looked in the box and I didnt even get a friggin manual.
07:00 wannabe1987 Change your ringtone: Menu: settings: phone profiles.  scroll to profile you are using.  press options, edit, voice call rington.  scroll left/right. select ringtone category-> ringtone.  options, save.
07:01 wannabe1987 google is your friend, sero
07:01 wannabe1987 your manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201003/20100310163151250/GT-S5350_UM_EU_Eng_Rev.1.0_091229.pdf
07:02 * Lwq1996 goes to bed
07:03 wannabe1987 night hun.
07:03 wannabe1987 take care, ok?
07:03 Lwq1996 night
07:03 Hydroelectric Goodnight Lwq1996.
07:04 JA12 morning
07:04 wannabe1987 morning JA12.  you slept?
07:04 Hydroelectric Morning JA12.
07:05 JA12 wannabe1987: I did. saw a strange dream
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07:11 Seroster Tyvm wannabe1987
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07:12 wannabe1987 you're welcome.  did it work?
07:12 * wannabe1987 used to do troubleshooting for a phone company stateside
07:12 wannabe1987 hi tehdark45
07:12 tehdark45 greetings
07:12 wannabe1987 alien
07:13 tehdark45 Beep blop errrr
07:19 sndwrx well.
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07:19 sndwrx Bed time, I guess.  Have to be up in less than four hours.
07:20 wannabe1987 :/
07:20 wannabe1987 take care sndwrx
07:20 wannabe1987 sleep well
07:20 sndwrx Thanks.
07:20 sndwrx You too.
07:20 wannabe1987 will do
07:20 sndwrx night night.  :)
07:21 wannabe1987 i just want my computer to be able to handle youtube.  and basic stuff.  that seems to be too much to ask
07:22 sndwrx Probably time to reinstall.
07:22 sndwrx I mean, your laptops don't have screaming specs but they're more than sufficient for watching videos.
07:23 wannabe1987 yeah....
07:23 wannabe1987 i'd have to back up some more....
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07:24 Hydroelectric Night sndwrx.
07:24 * Hydroelectric 's internet keeps dropping out.
07:24 wannabe1987 i see that
07:24 wannabe1987 kick it
07:25 wannabe1987 or....not
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07:25 Hydroelectric Sorry, that time it was my fault. ipconfig /release and /renew...
07:26 wannabe1987 kick it
07:26 Hydroelectric I will shortly.
07:26 wannabe1987 ok
07:26 Hydroelectric I should change laptops, but that's too much effort.
07:27 wannabe1987 my other one keeps loosing internet....my netbook does not.  i do not understand, they are right next to eachother.  i blame the dell's xp and the fact it came from the lab in like....march or april :P
07:28 Hydroelectric Haha, I have an Acer netbook, but it's running Backtrack 5.
07:28 wannabe1987 ?
07:28 Hydroelectric And I honestly don't feel like messing with that for now...
07:29 tehdark45 wannabe1987, Install linux or sonething
07:29 Hydroelectric .w Backtrack 5
07:29 BotSteve "BackTrack is an operating system based on the Ubuntu GNU/Linux distribution aimed at digital forensics and penetration testing use." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack
07:29 tehdark45 something*
07:30 Hydroelectric .tell Hydroelectric hello.
07:30 BotSteve Sorry, .tell is not yet implemented.  Use BotSteve: tell
07:30 tehdark45 Wait maybe not
07:31 wannabe1987 there is no netbook version of ubuntu/lilnux anymore
07:31 tehdark45 Dont need it
07:34 tehdark45 If it is too slow for normal, just go with something like Kbuntu
07:34 Hydroelectric .w Ubuntu Netbook Ediition
07:34 BotSteve "Ubuntu Netbook Edition (UNE), known as Ubuntu Netbook Remix prior to the release of Ubuntu 10.04,[3]|[4]|[5]| was a version of the Ubuntu Linux distribution that had been optimized to enable it to work better on netbooks and other devices with small screens or with the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Edition
07:34 Hydroelectric Hehe...
07:34 tehdark45 lol
07:35 sndwrx Kubuntu?
07:35 Cprossu Hope it's been a good day for everyone =
07:35 sndwrx It would be slower with KDE than with Unity or Gnome, probably.
07:35 Cprossu Hope it's been a good day for everyone =|
07:35 sndwrx Something more like Xubuntu would be lighter.
07:35 Cprossu what's up though?
07:36 sndwrx hi Cprossu.
07:36 tehdark45 wannabe1987's 01 devices are being stupid
07:38 Hydroelectric Hello Cprossu.
07:38 JA12 if the wireless adapter is crap, another OS won't do anything
07:38 Hydroelectric Driver issue maybe.
07:38 Cprossu no kidding
07:38 Cprossu what are we dealing with here?
07:38 Cprossu Atheros? Realtek? Broadcom? Intel?
07:38 tehdark45 wannabe1987, are you here?
07:39 Hydroelectric Ubuntu Netbook Edition Specs:
07:39 Hydroelectric Minimum System Requirements[12]    Processor RAM Storage  1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor 512 MB RAM 4 GB Flash disk (SSD) or hard disk Ubuntu Netbook Edition installed and ran correctly on the original Celeron M  900 MHz Asus Eee PC, but performance and graphical displays were hindered in  comparison to Atom-based  netbooks.
07:39 Cprossu the cellie m 900 was a real dog
07:39 Hydroelectric Haha.
07:39 Cprossu and not in the awesome kind of way
07:40 tehdark45 Celeron shall not be spoken of
07:40 tehdark45 :P
07:40 angy morning
07:40 Cprossu I'd take one of those over a p4 based one though
07:40 Hydroelectric .w EasyPeasey
07:40 BotSteve "EasyPeasy (formerly named Ubuntu Eee) is a Linux-based operating system for netbooks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyPeasy
07:40 Cprossu hey angy finally I am up so our timezones were somewhat synchronised?!
07:40 JA12 although, I agree that replacing XP would be a good idea
07:40 Cprossu what's new?
07:40 Hydroelectric Morning angy.
07:41 tehdark45 Cprossu, Celeron is a P4 - HT, why would you want that?
07:41 JA12 it's dell, so I wouldn't get my hopes up that it fixes the wireless connection =)
07:41 Hydroelectric Low end file storage.
07:41 Cprossu and 1/2 the cache
07:41 Cprossu and my god was it slow
07:41 Cprossu and ran hot
07:41 Cprossu 2.8ghz cellie < 750mhz duron.
07:41 Cprossu srsly.
07:42 tehdark45 the 00s had a thing for *ron processors
07:42 tehdark45 lol
07:42 tehdark45 AMD stuck with it
07:43 Cprossu well 'lon' anyway and 'om'
07:43 Cprossu or is it a 'nom' chip?
07:43 Cprossu though I have the WORST processor ever made by intel in the recent years
07:44 Cprossu Slot 1, Celeron 300 (NOT THE A VERSION)
07:44 tehdark45 Intel OmNom, the next great thing from PPC
07:44 tehdark45 Now that confising
07:44 Hydroelectric I have an original Pentium 2 processor with motherboard.
07:44 Cprossu I'd take that over a celeron 300(nona)
07:45 Cprossu any day of the week
07:45 Hydroelectric Haha.
07:45 JA12 I have a P3 laptop and it's a ultraportable even in todays standards. a friend of mine has a laptop that's two inches thick, runs dead slow, and has a P4
07:45 Cprossu and it's heavy too
07:46 Cprossu JA12: I have a compaq that is like that I got from someone who I upgraded out of pity
07:46 JA12 :)
07:46 Cprossu 2.8ghz celeron, cooks everything within a foot of it, and runs really fucking slow
07:46 Cprossu and the damn thing weighs 10lbs
07:47 tehdark45 the P
07:47 tehdark45 P4 was around for too long
07:47 tehdark45 lol
07:47 Hydroelectric Haha, sounds like my old Optima Centoris G200 Celeron M.
07:48 Cprossu Hydroelectric that looks way too slim
07:48 tehdark45 What was with computers and early 00s? P4 and XP stayed the longest of probably everything ever
07:48 Hydroelectric About an inch.
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07:52 * Hydroelectric is bored.
07:52 tehdark45 Do some math
07:52 tehdark45 :P
07:53 Cprossu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ctExtuaVI
07:53 BotSteve Title: How to open Compaq Presario 2500 laptop keyboard - YouTube
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07:54 Cprossu having issues?
07:55 Cprossu but yeah that video should show you how rather chunky it was
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07:57 Cprossu Hydroelectric having problems?
07:57 * Hydroelectric needs to solve this internet issue.
07:58 Hydroelectric Cprossu: Many with my wireless.
07:58 tehdark45 Card or network?
07:58 angy punch it
07:59 Cprossu No performance, no battery life, could brew tea by placing mug next to the exhaust, weighed a ton, overheated if you put it on a flat surface, burned your fingers as the keyboard baked well, offered no advantages of being a laptop or having desktop parts inside of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ctExtuaVI <- basically same model depicted there
07:59 BotSteve Title: How to open Compaq Presario 2500 laptop keyboard - YouTube
07:59 Hydroelectric tehdark45: Network most likely.
08:00 tehdark45 Reset modem/router?
08:00 JA12 "<angy> punch it" :D universal cure for everything? :D
08:01 angy JA12: yes!
08:01 JA12 that would be a nice theme for Rocky parody
08:01 angy I do it, only difference is that I punch a cisco 6k
08:02 JA12 show it who's the boss
08:03 tehdark45 angy, why, cuse Cisco sucks?
08:03 tehdark45 :P
08:03 angy everything cisco does sucks
08:04 angy some less, some more, but all is bugged as hell
08:04 tehdark45 Why are they so standard then?
08:04 angy because they are so overpriced
08:05 tehdark45 So price = use in enterprise?
08:06 angy cisco managed to be present in every educational thing that exists on network
08:06 angy and they create a bunch of RFC used in routing/bgp. they are a defacto standard
08:08 tehdark45 so basically they do a microspft
08:08 tehdark45 microsoft*
08:08 angy kind of
08:08 n1mjf ...playing on a cisco asa now
08:10 tehdark45 is that fun
08:10 angy that's also why I use TenGigabitEthernet or FastEthernet because I have those words on autocompletion in my shell
08:10 tehdark45 lol
08:10 n1mjf No but it's what I get paid to do.
08:11 tehdark45 n1mjf, then you are not playing
08:11 tehdark45 :P
08:11 n1mjf I try to think of work as being fun, even when it's not.
08:11 tehdark45 ah
08:11 angy for me ASA is not really cisco gear, I stick with only their switches (and line cards/feature cards)
08:12 tehdark45 it'd better than Data Entry
08:12 tehdark45 it's*
08:13 n1mjf I do IS so I work with a lot of firewalls, ids, etc
08:15 angy use cisco ACE & IPS. I think that is usable starting at sup32 (but may need XL lic)
08:17 Thermoelectric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNQg67Xfp_Y
08:17 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 1-24-12 Robot Guards and Puppy Cookies - YouTube
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08:30 einball good morning
08:30 n1mjf 'morning einball
08:31 angy morning ball
08:34 BitViper crap, he didnt show the fun batman had to go through to unload the truck
08:34 BotSteve bitviper: I have the following messages for you:
08:34 BotSteve At 05:35Z, wannabe1987 asked me to ask bitviper why he didn't say he was from remus.  i have family from there
08:39 Cprossu hahah BitViper
08:39 einball ha!
08:40 CaptainNiobe how did your back hold up, BitViper?
08:40 einball cptns blog and coffee :o)
08:40 tehdark45 einball, 10th mug?
08:40 tehdark45 :P
08:40 einball th?
08:41 einball oh er
08:41 einball no, 1st
08:41 tehdark45 must be early :P
08:41 einball I just stood up
08:41 angy he did not say it's 12gal mugs
08:41 BitViper CaptainNiobe : much much better than expected. I am sore, but not excessively sore. Which Im actually suprised considering what I did while unloading the truck.
08:42 einball angy: Yes .. I considered "th" being a non metric unit I don't know :)
08:42 angy thons
08:42 angy :p
08:42 einball >.<
08:42 CaptainNiobe great to hear, BitViper... i'm glad it wasn't as much of a problem as you thought it would be :)
08:42 CaptainNiobe but i'm still jealous of you... :P
08:42 tehdark45 Must be a French unit
08:42 tehdark45 :P
08:42 einball Maybe it's too early
08:43 BitViper CaptainNiobe : hehe I got measurements of the building, which was my main goal, have base model made, need to tweak and texture now
08:43 * angy puts einball back into bed
08:43 CaptainNiobe :D
08:43 einball nooo! :o
08:43 * tehdark45 asks einball if this smells like morphine
08:43 BitViper was fun meeting ppl too
08:43 * Cprossu wonders how messed up the minecraft lab is
08:44 Cprossu let me know when you transcribe the details BitViper
08:44 Cprossu heh
08:44 tehdark45 BitViper, is chris as crazy as you expected?
08:44 CaptainNiobe i updates, so unless the server is too, i can't log into it :-\
08:44 CaptainNiobe updated*
08:44 BitViper Cprossu : well i knew my way around the lab, but yes there are a couple things (other than the showers) that i think are a bit goofed
08:44 Cprossu does not shock me!
08:44 BitViper tehdark45 : chris was pretty much as expected, i like him
08:44 tehdark45 You dun goofed
08:45 BitViper Cprossu can you tp me to the mc model ?
08:45 einball I want moar toast
08:45 Cprossu idk can I?!
08:45 Cprossu let me see
08:46 BitViper i dunno what server its on even, im on yours
08:46 CaptainNiobe i thought it was ported to xoxo's server?
08:46 CaptainNiobe zozo's*
08:47 BitViper need some sort of warp there, wherever there is
08:49 Cprossu wow BitViper
08:49 Cprossu uh...
08:49 Cprossu my spoutcraft install pooched itself?!
08:50 Cprossu ok I got it running I think
08:51 Thermoelectric I wish I had good internets, I'd host a server or two on these servers I keep getting.
08:52 einball Maybe Iam soon able to host a Minecraft server :)
08:52 Cprossu BitViper: /warp tgglab
08:52 BitViper spare servers ? i could use em, i can host if theyre good hrdwre
08:52 Cprossu goto mystian
08:52 * einball and his friends rent 10U in the computing center
08:53 BitViper on which server Cprossu
08:53 BitViper oh doh
08:53 Cprossu zozo's server
08:53 angy .win 3
08:53 Thermoelectric I have two dual Intel Xeon boxes, though one has only a single processor. Dunno the specs on them though.
08:53 einball Dual Hexacore with 48g ram is right now under construction
08:54 angy I have a bunch of opterons with lots of memory
08:55 angy but I don't rent in colo centers, too painful if needed to change parts (if there is no remote hand)
08:55 einball That's the cool thing: It's near heilbronn where my friend lives. HE is the remote hand :)
08:56 einball They have a IMPI remote management card, or a similar thing.
08:56 angy not useful when a processor burn at 2am
08:56 einball Believe me, it is ... :D
08:56 einball That guy is crazy from top to bottom
08:58 einball I don't exactly know HOW they do it, but I know I can get 1U
08:59 angy don't get a server too much powerful
08:59 angy I reckon most colo center offers like .46KVA for 11U
09:00 einball I think it's about 230-250Watt we calculated for each U
09:01 einball The company we get the rackspace from rented the whole rack :P
09:02 angy I you bet you're wrong. 240W per U is 3.7KVA
09:02 angy no hosting compagny will ever provide that much for 11U
09:03 angy (using APC calculator that is, can be more, can be less)
09:05 einball I'll ask how much and tell you then
09:06 angy try overloading, it's super fun when it's a shared power feed on only one feed
09:07 einball :D
09:11 * n1mjf hosts things right from home.
09:12 n1mjf FIOS 50mbps connection does the trick
09:14 Experimentonomen guten morgen ladies :P
09:15 einball Good morning Vietn.. Experimentonomen
09:16 angy only 50M? :p
09:17 n1mjf They say they're coming out with a 100mbps sync package soon in my area. I know they have the 100mbps in NYC now.
09:18 angy give the price to makes me laugh?
09:18 n1mjf They prospected me a price of $130/mo for 100mbps
09:19 n1mjf (residential)
09:19 angy Mouhahahahahahahahahahahaha
09:20 angy that said, I pay EUR40,- for the same, with triple play
09:21 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNQg67Xfp_Y&amp;list=UUbaAyXYMnbQu0BGGPbvxHsw&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plcp <-- i knew it :P
09:21 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 1-24-12 Robot Guards and Puppy Cookies - YouTube
09:21 Experimentonomen lots of BitViper on tape :P
09:22 einball AAAAH HAHA
09:22 einball KEAGS FAULT! :D
09:23 einball I predicted it yesterday! :D
09:23 CaptainNiobe keags sucks... big time
09:24 einball Yesterday I said "Hey, take a look at the Keags stuff!"
09:24 tehdark45 CaptainNiobe, don't compliment sucking
09:24 tehdark45 :P
09:24 CaptainNiobe *rephrases* keags fails at life :D
09:27 tehdark45 wow they are small
09:27 tehdark45 83K is all they make
09:30 tehdark45 Juicebox, Cookies and fire
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09:33 * angy fondles Seroster^Away
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09:45 einball hmm
09:46 einball I hate it .. Most ham radio operators learn what they've been told. But if it comes to the "why does x act like x and not like y" nobody knows.
09:46 einball If you'd like to explain to them they don't have a clue because they never calculated anything ...
09:47 einball And they know nothing about complex numbers.
09:48 einball Iam a little bit in a difficult situation because I don't know how I can explain the correlation with quality versus bandwidth in resonant circuits
09:53 BitViper einball : agreed about ham ops not knowing the how and why, just how to push buttons
09:54 BitViper einball : im sorta in between, i understand the concepts pretty well, but i dont have the math at all
09:55 einball BitViper: that's what most hams do. The resonant circuit has quality x and bandwidth y .. they know that quality = 1/R
09:56 einball but they do't know how and why. The problem is: Many of them never actually did any math, complex numbers are really strange if oyu let them do their magic
09:56 Experimentonomen Q ?
09:56 einball jip
09:56 einball Q = Quality
09:57 BitViper i hate complex numbers, make less sense than the friggin lab building does
09:57 BitViper if thats possible
09:57 Experimentonomen hm
09:59 einball BitViper: complex numbers are like magic :D
09:59 Experimentonomen i hate math
09:59 einball otherwise you'd have to handle sin(cos(tanh(sinh(sin(cos(c+a)))))
09:59 einball :P
10:01 * Experimentonomen calculates the cosfi of einball
10:01 einball And with complex numbers everything collapses into e^c*e^a
10:02 einball so you have e^(c+a)
10:02 einball eeww... e^jc*e^ja = e^j(c+a)
10:03 einball Damn, I do too many things parallel
10:05 BitViper ok im out again, back to bed, before my brain collapses into its own black hole trying to comprehend j
10:13 einball j = sqrt(-1) :D
10:13 einball this is soo easy ;)
10:14 * einball gets mathgasms regularily :D
10:16 einball and eargasms and .... weeeeeee
10:17 * einball cranks up the volume on SABATON
10:17 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/busy-men.jpg/1327486640
10:18 * Experimentonomen watches smoke starting to appear from einball's makeshift subamp
10:31 einball hrrr
10:31 einball there's not even bass in it XD
10:33 einball Experimentonomen: The speaker is not driven to max excursion .. The amp is not at full power nor producing flat tops
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10:39 RageRiot lol at topic
10:41 einball because we can! ;)
10:43 Experimentonomen einball, actually 1/3 power is where amp get the hottest, most losses
10:44 einball not 1/2?
10:44 einball like when the amp has the same resistance as the loudspeaker
10:44 einball "resistance"
10:45 einball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko4Q0cgo1N8 classic :)
10:45 BotSteve Title: Warhammer - The Chosen Ones - YouTube
10:45 Experimentonomen that happens around 1/3 power, not 1/2
10:46 einball hmm, okay .. ;)
10:46 einball never thought bout that
10:48 einball oh and do you know why at 1/3 Experimentonomen ? ;)
11:01 Experimentonomen nope
11:09 einball Experimentonomen: logarithmic scale :)
11:19 einball cul
11:22 LemLap sigh
11:22 LemLap so bored
11:22 LemLap can't use my pc uness I dismantle it all and haul it up here
11:25 Experimentonomen hm
11:28 LemLap the fucking floor down stairs is so wet walking on it is like walking through a swamp
11:29 sndwrx .wx 49546
11:29 BotSteve Overcast ☁, 28.4℉ (-2℃), 30.33in (1024mb), Light breeze 4kt (↑) - KGRR 10:53Z
11:30 LemLap .w ybbn
11:30 BotSteve "Brisbane Airport (IATA: BNE, ICAO: YBBN) is the sole passenger airport serving Brisbane and the third busiest in Australia, after Melbourne and Sydney Airports." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Airport
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11:30 LemLap gah
11:30 LemLap .weather ybbn
11:30 BotSteve Cloudy, 24℃, 1007mb, Light Drizzle, Moderate breeze 12kt (↑) - YBBN, 11:00Z
11:30 joe248 Greeting's The Geek Grpup
11:31 joe248 whats up u all
11:31 joe248 ?
11:40 roadran422|zZz Morning
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11:51 roadran422 http://www.damnlol.com/impossible-6675.html
11:51 BotSteve Title: Impossible! - Damn! LOL
11:51 roadran422 hey tehdark45
11:51 tehdark45 shouldnt you be getting ready for school roadran422
11:51 tehdark45 :P
11:51 roadran422 Ehh
11:52 roadran422 All I have 2 do is fix my hair, and change....
11:52 roadran422 brb xD
11:52 tehdark45 Fix it?
11:52 tehdark45 How did you break it
11:52 roadran422 :P
11:53 roadran422 Shut it :p
11:56 tehdark45 What is it?
11:57 roadran422 ...
11:57 tehdark45 My door? it is closed
11:58 roadran422 Wow.
11:58 tehdark45 :P
11:59 tehdark45 Technically I am not talking, so it is alredy shut
11:59 tehdark45 :P
11:59 roadran422 Give me the torque wrench with the castration knife attachment.
12:00 roadran422 *impact
12:00 tehdark45 Ummm
12:00 roadran422 :)
12:01 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/jeep-parkplatz.jpg/1327492224
12:01 BotSteve Title: pics.nase-bohren.de 0.05d - Wir bohren einfach weiter
12:01 tehdark45 All you would need is a Swiss Army Knife scissor
12:01 tehdark45 for you
12:01 roadran422 :P
12:02 roadran422 LemLap: I don't get it?....
12:02 tehdark45 Thats how you aprk in Aus
12:02 tehdark45 obv
12:02 tehdark45 park*
12:02 roadran422 Lol
12:04 tehdark45 LemLap, How is it parking like that?
12:04 tehdark45 Fun?
12:06 LemLap tehdark45, it's an advert for jeep
12:06 tehdark45 I know :P
12:06 tehdark45 Unless it is a TJ, it is a lie
12:06 tehdark45 lol
12:07 roadran422 gtg 2 school
12:07 tehdark45 lol
12:07 tehdark45 school
12:09 Experimentonomen there we go all showered
12:09 Experimentonomen and clean and smelling like a rose or something
12:09 tehdark45 At 4am?
12:09 tehdark45 :P
12:09 Experimentonomen 1:09pm here :P
12:09 roadran422|SCL .t est
12:09 BotSteve Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:09:53 EST
12:09 tehdark45 You smell like a rose? Ewww get that shit off you
12:09 roadran422|SCL Damn
12:10 tehdark45 .t pst
12:10 BotSteve Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:10:05 PST
12:10 roadran422|SCL lolop
12:10 tehdark45 .t cat
12:10 BotSteve Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:10:37 CAT
12:10 tehdark45 wrong cat
12:11 tehdark45 lol
12:13 tehdark45 .t sast
12:13 BotSteve tehdark45: Sorry, I don't know about the 'sast' timezone.
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12:36 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/interactive-bible.jpg
12:36 BotSteve Title: pics.nase-bohren.de 0.05d - Wir bohren einfach weiter
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12:53 RageRiot hi
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13:15 yNos moinmoin
13:23 LemLap ...?
13:25 yNos g'afternoon for you, i guess
13:26 LemLap late night
13:26 LemLap .t +10
13:26 BotSteve Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:26:13 +10
13:27 LemLap been a ... interesting day today
13:27 LemLap hackerspace nearly flooding
13:27 LemLap and my house flooding >_<
13:28 CaptainNiobe what happened, LemLap?
13:28 LemLap either the house was never waterproofed properly, or the waterproofing has broken
13:29 yNos raining that bad, or a pipe broke?
13:29 LemLap but the carpet in my office and in my housemates bedroom, is like walking through a swamp
13:29 LemLap raining yNos
13:29 CaptainNiobe :-\
13:29 CaptainNiobe and the space?
13:29 LemLap drain out the back got clogged up again
13:30 CaptainNiobe shit... remind me to go check it when it's raining... lol... the one along the back wall?
13:30 LemLap just outside the back door
13:31 CaptainNiobe k, if it rains tomorrow i'll go check it... :)
13:33 LemLap should be fine, we cleared the drain
13:34 yNos is it surrounded by pine trees or something that is contantly losing leafs?
13:34 yNos in a parking lot or something?
13:37 LemLap no just crap loads of weeds out the back
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13:40 LemLap soon as we get a couple of dry days I am gonna get some weed spray and thoroughly dose the area
13:48 yNos a few dry days and a match wont take care of it?
13:48 yNos or is that illegal tere?
13:56 LemLap very
13:56 LemLap largely because of how our natural plants tend to catch fire like paper
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14:03 Seroster Fucking tardness
14:04 Seroster Had excel in mid school
14:04 Seroster And in other colleges
14:05 Seroster Then I come here and we have excel in computer sciences (yeah right, obnoxious course with a sexist teacher)
14:05 Seroster When I'm finally done with that and got 100% on the test I come to math class and... Herp a derp, excell.
14:05 Seroster FFUU
14:05 Seroster I have better things to do than learn something I already know.
14:05 Seroster I could masturbate. Or watch paint dry, or jam needles in my fucking eyelids.
14:06 Seroster I have a hard time finding any worse use of my time than this.
14:06 Seroster </rant>
14:07 Seroster Raping kittens to death would be a better use of my time
14:07 CaptainNiobe sero, i think talk like that is decidedly nsfw... :)
14:09 Seroster .c 9/4
14:09 BotSteve 2.25
14:09 Seroster WELL IM AT FUCKING WORK NOW AINT I?!
14:09 CaptainNiobe ...
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14:17 Seroster I'm just kinda pissed that I am wasting my youth in a chair that is making my ass sore calculating what a3+a5 is...
14:17 Seroster I can come up with at least 50 more interesting ways of getting a sore ass.-
14:17 Seroster 1, Rhino wrestling
14:17 Seroster 2, Rocket chair
14:17 Seroster 3, Sitting on an airbag
14:17 CaptainNiobe then why don't you quit, hon?
14:17 Seroster 4, Shoving a 12g shotgun up my ass
14:18 Seroster Quit what?
14:18 Seroster Yeah, I tried skipping college, that worked great. People were really really wanting to hire me..
14:18 Seroster 5, A visit to Injection
14:19 Seroster 6, Ice skating fail
14:19 CaptainNiobe work... college... whatever's pissing you off so much...
14:19 Seroster 7, Grounding one buttcheek and connecting the other to mains
14:19 Seroster 8, seeing how far I can get with a cheese grader
14:19 Seroster 9, Fuck with my retarded classmates until someone kicks me in the ass
14:20 Seroster I have to go to college  because I cant work as a sparky if I don't
14:20 CaptainNiobe is there any other colleges you can go to?
14:24 Ponko suck up
14:32 Experimentonomen me back home
14:41 yNos ANGY!!
14:41 angy yNos!
14:45 yNos How are things on that side of the pond?
14:45 Experimentonomen lab not open 2day ?
14:45 yNos not yet..
14:45 angy boring, I'm just back from an exam surveillance
14:45 yNos they generally dont get there till the crack of noon.
14:45 * angy ultra-fondles Seroster
14:45 Seroster Fuckyou
14:45 angy whenever you want
14:46 Seroster There is no other colleges I can go to
14:46 Experimentonomen someones in a bad mood 2day D:
14:47 Seroster Fuck you
14:47 angy he's more Serosterish than usual
14:47 Seroster 10, on my list of better ways to get a sore ass than sitting on a wooden chair learning what I already know; Anal sex with a cactus
14:48 angy that one is not bad
14:49 Seroster 11, sit on a soldering iron
14:49 yNos inspiration from tgg:nsfw?
14:51 Seroster no
14:51 Seroster 12, remake 1dude1jar
14:51 angy bad day at school?
14:51 Seroster Molding my dick in lead would have been more fun AND pleasurable
14:52 angy I bet you would have found fun into that
14:54 Seroster -.-
14:54 Seroster Going to goodwill, hope to score some shit
14:54 Experimentonomen CaptainNiobe, can we mute Seroster until he calms down ? please ?
14:56 CaptainNiobe he carries on more i will. even ops have to follow channel rules.
15:00 * Experimentonomen gives CaptainNiobe a a box of cookies
15:04 * master0fmonks looks at Seroster...
15:11 * yNos is lonely in a building with 4kilopeople...
15:12 yNos its funny how we get used to not seeing people when you a blocked up in a cube farm.
15:12 yNos but you know there is a crapload of people around you.
15:12 yNos headphones likely make a huge difference
15:13 angy our cubes have glass wall, so we always see eachothers
15:13 * CaptainNiobe likes the sound of angy's workspace :D
15:13 angy that and the fact that one cube host 2
15:14 angy CaptainNiobe: for the glass walls or the internet connexion? :p
15:14 CaptainNiobe the glass walls... BUT I WANT THAT INTERNET TOO! :D
15:14 angy you're welcome here then
15:15 CaptainNiobe i get up to 20 meg down, up to 1 meg up... bull next to your work... lol
15:15 Hackbat cubemates = best friends forever...and ever...and ever
15:15 yNos We have that in other parts of the building, i am in the "early 90s" area of the building..
15:15 yNos straight out of office space
15:15 angy we're moving in a new building in a few months
15:15 angy or years
15:15 Hackbat yNos, did you get those TPS ports done?
15:16 * yNos hangs head
15:16 yNos no
15:16 tonsofpcs and did you re-ports them too?
15:16 * yNos goes back to work
15:16 Hackbat You do know we switched forms right?
15:16 yNos i need to have some of these made up as business cards.
15:16 yNos http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTosz3-_5FCa87xHat6xmU3CguEO3nNpVx-QV_vk-91U4uNdMDbBLM1SOijeA
15:17 angy I still don't have a corp email address, but apparently, my business card are in the process of being printed
15:17 yNos wha?
15:17 yNos how does that woek?
15:17 yNos **work.
15:18 angy badly, like all the rest when it touch where I work
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15:35 NeWtoz ^^ those people chose the wrong server
15:35 Monkeh They were chosen
15:36 tlockley nice split
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15:37 yNos quiet time?
15:37 tlockley i guess
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15:38 angy quiet day
15:39 yNos hmm
15:39 angy I think I did not do a single real task today
15:41 tlockley oh?
15:41 NeWtoz next task: sleep
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15:43 yNos nodescript bg music to work to.
15:43 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS6uWWrjf8c&amp;feature=results_video&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=PLE6DF562815BB3B1F
15:43 BotSteve Title: Samurai Champloo - The Space Between Two World - YouTube
15:43 yNos nondescript
15:44 tlockley choice
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15:45 angy Batty!
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15:49 yNos CaptainNiobe has returned.
15:50 MoxieMike yay
15:50 CaptainNiobe i have and i have no idea the happened... :-\
15:51 tlockley those netsplits can be sneaky
15:51 angy one node went offline
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15:57 * n1mjf brb
15:58 MoxieMike damn
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16:00 LeePod what?
16:02 MoxieMike netsplit
16:02 wannabe1987 wb
16:03 n1mjf hello wannabe
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16:07 * CaptainNiobe snarls
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16:07 CaptainNiobe brb
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16:08 * n1mjf BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.
16:10 CaptainNiobe 'bout time. :-\
16:12 wannabe1987 hi n1mjf
16:12 wannabe1987 chanserv couldn't op you before it was op'd by the server :P
16:12 CaptainNiobe ?
16:13 wannabe1987 you came back before chanserv was opped by the server
16:13 wannabe1987 which is why you weren't opp'd
16:13 yNos meh
16:14 CaptainNiobe (1/26/2012 2:06:51 AM) NickServ: (notice) This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
16:14 CaptainNiobe was the message nickserv gave me, it opped me after i ided...
16:15 angy it's because the node hosting the NickServ crashed and was re-introduced in the network
16:15 * CaptainNiobe watches creeper fly by
16:15 angy so everybody had to re=auth
16:15 CaptainNiobe ahh
16:15 wannabe1987 bats is Guest40515
16:15 wannabe1987 cuz he wasn't there to auth
16:16 CaptainNiobe he's asleep atm, according to his auto message
16:16 wannabe1987 exactly.  he wasn't there to reauth.  i highly doubt he's sleeping, its 11:16a.  he's most likely working
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16:18 wannabe1987 [10:39] -mquin- [Global Notice] We are experiencing some connectivity problems, please bear with us while we investigate (and run around with duct tape)
16:18 wannabe1987 lol
16:18 wannabe1987 wb Experimentonomen
16:19 * wannabe1987 made boden roll his eyes yesterday :/
16:20 BitViper did you roll them back to him ?
16:21 wannabe1987 no.
16:21 maglin lul derp
16:21 wannabe1987 its not that i don't like heights, i just have no upper body strength, so i can't get into upper mech
16:21 wannabe1987 not my fault
16:22 wannabe1987 i like heights, in a strange way....
16:23 * Experimentonomen scratches his head over box size for a 10" driver
16:23 wannabe1987 o did yesterday's CB come out yet?
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16:23 wannabe1987 hi dbshortwave
16:23 dbshortwave hi
16:24 dbshortwave im fighting 4 computers
16:24 BitViper wannabe1987 yeah, im all over it
16:24 wannabe1987 why?
16:24 BitViper hard to miss my shirt
16:24 wannabe1987 lol
16:24 wannabe1987 link?
16:24 BitViper same place as alwaysx
16:24 wannabe1987 i thinki'm in viewer mail
16:24 wannabe1987 no shit
16:24 dbshortwave virus's windows codes and shit
16:24 wannabe1987 i'm watching a different one, a link would be nice
16:25 wannabe1987 i'm watching 1-17-12 :P
16:25 BitViper i dont have it on this computer =(
16:25 wannabe1987 ah
16:25 wannabe1987 ok
16:25 wannabe1987 i'll look later i guess. it'd be nice to be boden's friend so they're on my fb...../glare
16:27 dbshortwave dell tower.... bsod boots into safemode
16:27 dbshortwave scans for viruses
16:27 dbshortwave check hardware next
16:29 dbshortwave i wanna stab this asus
16:29 wannabe1987 hi masterofmonks
16:30 masterofmonks I am an illusion.
16:30 wannabe1987 figures
16:30 wannabe1987 who to, everyone but CaptainNiobe?
16:31 CaptainNiobe :D
16:31 wannabe1987 or do you fool her too?
16:31 wannabe1987 o.O
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16:31 wannabe1987 hi ajt
16:31 dbshortwave lol i smell a penguis of madigascar refrence
16:32 ajt wannabe1987: aloha!
16:32 wannabe1987 hola senor!
16:32 wannabe1987 senor(a)(ita)
16:32 wannabe1987 whatever you are....
16:33 egrsteve anyone see the blue marble 2012 image?
16:33 angy .cookie egrsteve
16:33 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a frosted sugar cookie!
16:33 wannabe1987 can't say i have, why?
16:33 egrsteve hmm cookie
16:33 egrsteve http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/6760135001/sizes/l/in/photostream/
16:33 BotSteve Title: All sizes | Most Amazing High Definition Image of Earth - Blue Marble 2012 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
16:33 egrsteve highres is 64mega pixels
16:34 angy it is like... 1 sec to download :p
16:34 wannabe1987 my camera does...12 or 10 i think....
16:34 wannabe1987 o.O
16:34 wannabe1987 1 second for you, maybe.....
16:34 egrsteve I don't dare load it for fear of crashing my laptop
16:34 wannabe1987 now you tell me....
16:34 egrsteve that link is 1024
16:34 wannabe1987 ah
16:34 egrsteve not full res
16:34 dbshortwave this one has an antivirus called 'vista antivirus'?
16:35 wannabe1987 thats so cool
16:35 * egrsteve runs from dbshortwaves virus
16:35 dbshortwave i smell a virus
16:35 egrsteve wipe the system
16:35 dbshortwave really?
16:35 egrsteve it's the only way I have found to truly get rid of it
16:36 egrsteve I cleaned a system daily for a week and it still would come back
16:36 dbshortwave holy
16:36 dbshortwave -.-
16:36 dbshortwave thank god its not this machine
16:36 dbshortwave i can see why it has one
16:36 dbshortwave it has norton on it
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16:37 egrsteve backup the data, wipe and reinstall, you will save yourself hours
16:37 wannabe1987 hi sndwrx
16:37 dbshortwave OK
16:38 egrsteve there are variants of it for each version of windows
16:38 astro73|alice is norton any good anymore?
16:38 egrsteve ie xp antivirus, vista ct
16:38 egrsteve ect
16:38 dbshortwave some swear by norton
16:38 dbshortwave but its worthless
16:38 egrsteve was norton ever any good, beside being a resource hog
16:39 wannabe1987 my grandpa pays for antivirus....
16:39 wannabe1987 i keep telling him the free ones are just as good, but he doesn't believe me
16:39 angy a long time ago, it was good
16:39 astro73|alice on the rare occasions i have to install an AV, I usually go with AVG free
16:39 astro73|alice esp if it's behind a router
16:40 egrsteve as do I, wannabe, get him to buy the full AVG if he must pay for one
16:40 egrsteve att least it will work
16:40 wannabe1987 i don't remember what he has...i can check
16:40 angy most of the time I go with Avira, there is a lot of choices though
16:40 wannabe1987 i have free avast! right now
16:41 egrsteve Avira is good too, I have used avg for years, so I may be biased there
16:41 tonsofpcs hmm... Windows Vista, Task manager shows 0 Free Physical Memory, properly shows 4GB total, shows ~3 GB Cached.  If I kill a process, the memory it had begins to show as free then slowly migrates to cached (cached increases at the same rate that free decreases, about 2 - 3 per update), leaving it showing 0 Free.  WTF?
16:41 angy tonsofpcs: it's totally usual, if it shows as cached, it's free in fact
16:41 astro73|alice that's what i expect
16:41 egrsteve your cache has turned into a vacume
16:42 tonsofpcs angy: that's annoying...
16:42 angy OS are designed to use the maximum amount of memory to cache
16:42 tonsofpcs cache what?
16:42 astro73|alice it's caching the code pages of the software, so if you reload it, it starts faster
16:42 angy data you access
16:42 angy it acts as, most of the time, an hard drive cache
16:42 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: code, files, registry
16:42 tonsofpcs yea, I don't want it to do that...
16:43 angy tonsofpcs: you want to do that
16:43 astro73|alice (ok, more properly, code is called text. dunno why)
16:43 angy even if you don't know it, you really want to do it
16:43 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: it's a good thing. if you actually need the space, it'll just write over the cache
16:43 angy you can de-activate it using windows reg or cost of caching in linux, but you /will/ go back in a few hours
16:43 angy astro73|alice: nope, but it's a 2-5T freeing to write
16:44 angy which is nothing compared to loading from hard drive
16:44 tonsofpcs angy: no, I really don't.  It's making unnecessary RAM transactions that slow my bus-speed.
16:44 astro73|alice angy: come again?
16:44 tonsofpcs video processing needs fast RAM, not fast RAM that is being constantly written to by something else.
16:44 angy tonsofpcs: de-activate it, you /will/ cry
16:45 angy tonsofpcs: in video processing, you need actually to use a lot of the same data, if not cached, it will be dead slow
16:45 tonsofpcs mind you, right now I'm trying to fix the broken computer browser service
16:45 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: if you care THAT much about performance, why the heck are you using onboard graphics?
16:45 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: I'm not.
16:45 angy and saturating a bus with cache is impossible
16:45 tonsofpcs angy: but my OS isn't the one manipulating the video.
16:45 angy don't forget that the caching data comes from somewhere
16:45 astro73|alice i figured that saturating the RAM bus was very difficult in real workloads
16:46 angy that somewhere is not likely to be able to saturate a dual 1600MHz DDR bus
16:46 angy astro73|alice: it's nearly impossible on modern machines
16:46 astro73|alice angy: Unless it's memtest86, but that doesn't count.
16:46 angy indeed
16:46 tonsofpcs ya know those PC benchmark apps?  Those are nothing compared to the video processing that I do.
16:47 angy what is your bandwidth then?
16:47 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: by "video processing", do you mean editing or streaming?
16:47 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: editing, rendering, etc.
16:47 astro73|alice you NEED cache then
16:47 astro73|alice non linear editing will gobble cache
16:47 tonsofpcs not windows managed cache.
16:47 angy you realize a memory bandwidth for a current core i5 is more than 15000Mb/s?
16:48 MoxieMike I need cash
16:48 tonsofpcs my editing software manages it's own cache
16:48 tonsofpcs MoxieMike: me too.
16:48 angy you really don't expect us to believe that you can saturate that with video editing?
16:48 wannabe1987 me three
16:48 tonsofpcs angy: you realize that (1) I could saturate that and (2) I don't have a core i5 so that's irrelevant
16:48 wannabe1987 who's paying us?
16:48 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: what do you have?
16:48 tonsofpcs Q6600
16:48 angy tonsofpcs: I can't saturate, and I do way heavier than your video editing
16:48 angy so I don't believe you
16:48 angy what chipset is that on
16:49 tonsofpcs Core 2 Quad
16:49 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: northbridge/memory controller?
16:50 astro73|alice not the processor
16:50 tonsofpcs angy: 15 point-source lights, one picture being warped based on point clouds, viscosity, reflectivity, etc.  can saturate that.
16:50 angy it's likely to have a bandwidth of between 5-8Gb/s depending on what you have as chipset and memory chips, and control
16:50 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: how much memory? and are you using a 64 bit OS?
16:50 angy tonsofpcs: I would say, hell no!
16:50 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: 4 GB, yes.
16:50 astro73|alice and what metric are you using to determine RAM saturation?
16:51 astro73|alice if the application allocates and uses 2GB, the OS is supposed to make room for it
16:51 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: but the application doesn't pre-allocate RAM, it asks for it as it needs it.
16:52 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: still applies.
16:52 angy tonsofpcs: what do you use for a metric to monitor your ram usage?
16:52 tonsofpcs angy: take those point sources and turn them into line or surface sources.
16:52 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: right, but meanwhile windows is performing disk i/o and RAM i/o...
16:52 tonsofpcs it's also taking processor time to do this...
16:53 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: no, because the point of cache is that it's backed by the harddisk, so no write-back is necessary
16:53 angy cache is not a metric you can use
16:53 angy use the commited memory to a process
16:53 astro73|alice and processor time taken to issue DMA/SATA requests is pretty small
16:53 angy cache can grow and shrink by its own
16:53 tonsofpcs 'pretty small' is not 0.
16:53 astro73|alice also, total performance throughput is not a good metric either
16:54 angy if you really want all your system to use all your power, go away from windows
16:54 angy there is zillions of process you can't control
16:54 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: it's probably comparable to the the overhead induced by context switching threads
16:54 tonsofpcs anyway, back to fixing current issues... how do I force windows to reboot to safemode-with-networking and SFC ?
16:54 tonsofpcs it used to be a switch to sfc, I thought, but it doesn't appear to be...
16:55 astro73|alice and angy is right about control. If you really need THAT much control, compile your own linux kernel.
16:55 angy go to your registry
16:55 angy change PreFetcher to 3
16:55 angy SuperFetch to 3
16:55 angy DisableMemoryPagingExecutive to 0
16:55 angy SessionPoolSize to 30
16:55 angy SessionViewSize to 30
16:56 angy SystemPages to 40000
16:56 angy then don't cry if your windows is dead slow and/or crash at random times
16:56 Coderjoe_ uh... that has nothing to do with safe mode
16:56 * tonsofpcs feels like he's typing FILES=30 in config.sys :D
16:56 astro73|alice might want to back up current settings first
16:56 angy that /will/ tweak your windows kernel, so be aware that it can corrupt all your files
16:56 tonsofpcs also, read the question :)
16:56 angy you will deactivate your memory caching
16:56 angy (in fact, getting it a so high price that it won't cache anymore)
16:57 angy you will however have to estimate your PoolSize and ViewSize and SystemPages depending on what your load
16:57 angy and which application you load as well
16:59 angy all this commands comes with no guaranties as it can destroy your current windows installation :)
16:59 astro73|alice (aside: who's bright idea was it to store kernel settings, system settings, and application settings in the same place?)
17:00 angy (an OS is the late 80s)
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17:00 Coderjoe_ i'm not aware of a way to tell windows to go to safe mode on next boot. I only know of the "Press F8 while booting" method (between the bios and the windows logo splash screen)
17:00 angy there is a possibility using one of the builtin system tool
17:00 angy but I don't remember which one
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17:01 wannabe1987 wait, do they all live together?
17:01 wannabe1987 hi electricguy
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17:02 electricguy hi hi :)
17:02 astro73|alice wannabe1987: cory and chris do.
17:02 angy cory, chris, liz, moose
17:02 astro73|alice i try not to ask questions
17:02 wannabe1987 not gibroni?
17:02 electricguy yes
17:02 electricguy him too
17:02 wannabe1987 cuz this vid (1-17-12) makes it like like they do
17:02 wannabe1987 awkward!
17:02 angy they all live together at the lab :)
17:03 wannabe1987 hahaha not allowed
17:03 wannabe1987 no occupancy permit
17:03 wannabe1987 afaik
17:04 dbshortwave mmm
17:07 electricguy Omni is so cute when she's taking the cookie! :D
17:07 wannabe1987 :D  i'm starting that vid.  i'm prolly in there somewhere :/
17:07 wannabe1987 i wasn't looking my best yesterday.....#justsayin
17:07 angy she's always cute!
17:07 electricguy hehe :P i havent seen you yet. but i'm not done :)
17:08 electricguy angy. yes :P but shes damn adorable in the last captains blog :D
17:08 angy she is so lovely when at home as well
17:08 wannabe1987 i was really only around for viewer mail.....i wasn't filmed anywhere else
17:09 wannabe1987 well, the MDH cleans up well.....VERY EMPTY!
17:10 BitViper i dont think he got you that i remember seeing, got me all over the place though
17:10 BitViper =/
17:10 wannabe1987 i know...i see you right now!
17:10 wannabe1987 technically it would have been batman getting me :P
17:11 dbshortwave i found a program that removes corruped software with a missing uninstaller
17:11 dbshortwave lol
17:12 dbshortwave the ONLY program that cleans it self on uninstall
17:12 wannabe1987 YAY!!!!! DOGGIE LOVE!
17:12 wannabe1987 :D
17:12 electricguy :D
17:12 dbshortwave o.o
17:13 dbshortwave lol
17:13 dbshortwave wth?
17:13 wannabe1987 cb
17:13 wannabe1987 duh
17:13 electricguy it's fun to see a moving bitviper XD lol :P
17:13 BitViper electricguy : proof that i do on occasion get away from the computer
17:13 electricguy truly amazing :P
17:14 egrsteve no, when I came through you had two in front of you
17:14 BitViper agreed :)
17:14 BitViper lol egrsteve, you should see me now LOL
17:14 BitViper egrsteve : theres 5 screens in front of me now
17:14 egrsteve I imagine about 9 screens
17:14 egrsteve you need a 3x3 display stand
17:14 wannabe1987 when i saw you you were talking to ynos....i should have known who you were, as they said you had a green shirt on...and then you had 2 when we were ircing each other from the cafe/lounge
17:15 dbshortwave combofix.....
17:16 dbshortwave wonjt know how good it is till its fin
17:16 wannabe1987 dad has 3, 1 being his laptop screen.  i'd go crazy with multiple screens...i'm AD(H)D as it is....
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17:17 wannabe1987 hi sparky
17:17 SparkyProjects Hi
17:18 wannabe1987 yay viewer mail
17:19 wannabe1987 i'm walking in the background when boden throws the manual....
17:19 wannabe1987 grey sweatshirt
17:19 angy and time to go home
17:20 dbshortwave got rid of that hunk of malware
17:20 wannabe1987 yay
17:20 dbshortwave without format
17:21 dbshortwave combofix + me = happy ATM
17:21 BitViper egrsteve : 3x3 of 30" screens would be awsome
17:21 astro73|alice BitViper: that's huge
17:21 wannabe1987 twss
17:21 BitViper i wanna get a pair of projectors and point em at my wall :)
17:22 astro73|alice at 30", i would think that 2x3 would be excessive
17:22 astro73|alice i would litterally not be able to see the top row
17:22 egrsteve you would have to curve the array
17:23 egrsteve both ways
17:23 egrsteve 30" moniter to diplay a 80x20 console
17:23 astro73|alice .....
17:23 yNos back.. ragemeetings over lunch. why would you schedule a high tension meeting over lunch when people are hungy and pissy already?
17:24 astro73|alice you want to display 80 columns on a 30" monitor.
17:24 egrsteve I no you could display a lot more
17:24 egrsteve *know
17:24 egrsteve but it would be funny to have it in the corner
17:24 egrsteve lost on a sea of black
17:25 astro73|alice ... 20pix wide characters...
17:25 Coderjoe_ meh. projectors give you more size but not more resolution
17:25 astro73|alice 3/8" wide
17:26 astro73|alice that's a big terminal
17:26 wannabe1987 he says thin client but it sounds like thinG client
17:26 yNos i have wanted to make a wall of jumbo LEDs matrixed to be able to show text streams.. irc for example.
17:28 yNos simpler way would be an 8x8 LED board driven by an i2c gpio controller.. then connect all the i2c controllers to a central controller for either each line, or the whole wall.. depending on how things go.
17:28 astro73|alice oddly, i don't think you usually want to be able to read your terminal from 10 feet away
17:28 Coderjoe Since HDTVs became the norm, it is harder to find displays that do more than 1920x1080. no matter the physical size.
17:28 yNos it was more of a thing for the cafe to show what is going on in IRC..
17:28 yNos so a 10 foot interface is fine.
17:28 Coderjoe that might be bad...
17:29 yNos in fact.. 10+ feet would be optimal..
17:29 wannabe1987 what are we going to do with rape whistles?
17:29 astro73|alice also, that top display in that 3x3 array? as much as 4' over your head
17:29 yNos i have never heard a rape whislte..
17:29 astro73|alice wannabe1987: hide it behind the scroll
17:30 wannabe1987 yNos: he blew one on the cb for yesterday
17:30 egrsteve I'm sure CHris will find a way to annoy everyone with them
17:30 astro73|alice doesn't he have giant air horns for hat?
17:30 wannabe1987 lol
17:30 wannabe1987 steve: true.....
17:30 egrsteve and now little air horns too
17:31 Coderjoe that's an odd picture... Chris walking around with giant air horns on his head
17:31 wannabe1987 thats not odd
17:31 astro73|alice maybe not on his head
17:31 astro73|alice but totally strapped to his back
17:32 Coderjoe astro73|alice: I was going from your typo: "doesn't he have giant air horns for hat?"
17:32 astro73|alice yes, i know :P
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17:32 wannabe1987 my feet!
17:33 wannabe1987 27:24 :P
17:33 wannabe1987 my violin made it in :/
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17:34 BitViper my thought with the big screens is put em on one wall and then a wireless keyboard/mouse and a lap table in my recliner on the other side of the room :)
17:35 yNos http://www.explosm.net/comics/2354/
17:35 BotSteve Title: Cyanide & Happiness #2354 - Explosm.net
17:35 astro73|alice BitViper: kinda defeats the purpose of having that much space? Farther away you are, the higher you have to set your DPI, so the less effective workspace you have
17:36 einball back
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17:37 einball sometimes day can be exhausting T_T
17:37 wannabe1987 yes einball.....you ok?
17:37 einball My iPod broke!
17:37 einball Today sucks
17:38 wannabe1987 what kind of ipod? :(
17:38 astro73|alice ooph
17:38 astro73|alice how badly broke?
17:39 einball iPod classic -> Headphone jack has no contact on the right channel
17:40 electricguy open it up and fix it then
17:40 astro73|alice fixable with mad skills, then?
17:40 electricguy fixable with half-noob skills :P
17:40 einball electricguy: open it up?
17:40 electricguy yes
17:40 electricguy what generation is it?
17:40 einball you know that the iPod classic is fixed with 6 barbed hooks all around the chassis!?
17:41 electricguy so?
17:41 electricguy that's childsplay.. :P
17:41 einball yeah .. for you maybe
17:41 electricguy my palm PDA hot 16 hooks. that was a little bit bitchy to get apart. but doable :)
17:41 electricguy got*
17:42 electricguy just google for a disassembly guide..
17:43 einball Its possible yes
17:43 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sFYSW6QHCQ look at the Siemens
17:43 BotSteve Title: Willy Wonka Computer - YouTube
17:43 einball but it really sucks because its a metal case
17:43 electricguy just be careful and it shouldn't be any problem
17:43 wannabe1987 i will be sad when my ipod nano dies
17:44 electricguy i fucked up the HDD cable in my ipod mini. i could fix it with some tricks :P
17:45 einball erm .. :-/
17:45 electricguy the connector pins had ripped off from the soft PCB.
17:45 electricguy i had to be a little mean to the soldering iron to do it. but it worked
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17:46 ajcc lo
17:46 electricguy basically running the iron a bit hot with a dry tip. that builds up a oxide layer on the tip. so it wont add any more solder to the pins and make a short.
17:46 electricguy hi hi ajcc
17:46 ajcc electricguy: did you get any snaps of the snow today?
17:46 electricguy nah. didn't have time :/
17:46 dbshortwave some people are NASTY
17:46 dbshortwave had to clean the buggars off this one laptop
17:47 electricguy i was thinking of taking a long shutter time pic of the moon. cause it was really nice and clear... but then, CLOUDS! -,-
17:47 ajcc buggars are better them cumstains
17:47 electricguy lol. indeed
17:47 dbshortwave well at that color
17:47 ajcc which people have left on laptops... nasty!
17:47 dbshortwave it COULD have been a jizz stain
17:48 ajcc or just snot from someone sneezing all over the screen and keyboard
17:54 egrsteve that reminds me, I need to cleen my sceeen
17:54 ajcc eww
17:54 egrsteve it has a few fingerprints on it
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17:55 maglinvinn derp
17:55 ajcc fingerprints are really hard to get off screens, way to hard, the computer screen makers should make less fingerprint collecting screens
17:56 egrsteve I ussualy use sightsavers
17:56 egrsteve if I can find them
17:57 ajcc sightsavers? is it the thing you clean glasses with?
17:57 egrsteve they are the lens tissues in a packet
17:57 egrsteve good for glasses, lenses ect
17:57 ajcc hmm, and they don't leave marks on monitors?
17:58 egrsteve not on mine at least, it is a glossy screen though
17:58 tlockley i wonder how feasible it is to scale the oleophobic coating they use on phones to big laptop screens
17:58 ajcc oh, glossy screens are less prone to suck up solvants and fingerprints :)
17:59 * dbshortwave groans
17:59 ajcc I got a matte Eizo, it's impossible to clean :/
17:59 dbshortwave matte screens are nice
17:59 egrsteve probably not too hard, I imagine they are spin coated
17:59 ajcc and I never learn that I shouldn't eat apples while editing photos
18:00 egrsteve sight savers have a IPA based solvent
18:00 tlockley ajcc: I find that a good shammy cloth can a little time can do wonders
18:00 ajcc I don't want to rubb the screen to hard, it's a really good monitor
18:00 tlockley i didnt say rub hard, just spend some time
18:01 roadran422|SCL Hey all
18:01 egrsteve thats one reason I use lens tissues
18:01 ajcc lens cloth without solvants doesn't take the finger prints away
18:01 tlockley if you use a light buff it will eventually take all the oils and stuff out
18:01 dbshortwave vacuum cleaner polish works wonders on glossy screens
18:01 roadran422 Water is a solvent ;)
18:01 wannabe1987 awwww work soon :/
18:01 dbshortwave rubing alcohol
18:01 wannabe1987 gonna have to finish cb's later
18:02 wannabe1987 why are they so long ? :/
18:02 ajcc roadran422: don't use water on my monitor, the water will stain it
18:02 egrsteve unless you use DI water :)
18:02 roadran422 ajcc: It will?
18:03 egrsteve it will leave mineral deposites
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18:03 tlockley roadran422: un-purified/non distilled water had tons of minerals in it
18:03 roadran422 Oh ok
18:04 wannabe1987 hi injektion :D
18:04 ajcc I saw the new 2k Eizo monitors a while ago, they are insane!
18:04 * einball will grab some alcohol and get drunk
18:04 roadran422 Lesson learned.
18:05 roadran422 Never stick your ring finger in to a nerf gun.
18:05 roadran422 Don
18:05 roadran422 *Don't ask how I know.
18:05 ajcc 2k is what your cinema projects on the silver screen
18:05 egrsteve ajcc, unless they use 4k :)
18:05 ajcc imagine that, but on a 17" monitor
18:05 tlockley sounds overkill
18:06 ajcc egrsteve: well, yes :), but 2K is the standard, 4K is more of the 70mm replacement :), and it's epic on a curved screen
18:07 ajcc <3 curved cinemascope
18:07 tlockley those types of theaters make me feel like im gonna fall out of the seat
18:08 tlockley those displays look super expensive
18:08 ajcc tlockley: they are used for radiography, the 2K monitors, but they are getting cheaper so soon photographers can buy them. 2K and DreamColor, oh my!
18:09 tlockley whats the price look like for the ColorEdge series monitors?
18:09 egrsteve most of the theaters in GR have a slight curve, notte bubble Imax but still great screens
18:10 ajcc I've never been in an Imax theater :(
18:10 tlockley they are HUGE
18:10 tlockley the last one i went to had a screen similar in area to the MDH
18:11 ajcc sure it wasn't bigger?
18:11 ajcc longer
18:11 tlockley i dont remember what the aspect was/is for imax
18:11 maglinvinn istn't it16:9
18:12 ajcc isn't it just plain cinemascope? 1:2.35
18:12 egrsteve the Imag in GR is 50x70ft
18:12 tlockley 1.44:1
18:12 egrsteve *imax
18:12 tlockley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX#Technical_specifications
18:12 BotSteve Title: IMAX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
18:13 ajcc hmm, spherical, I always forget panavision owns all that is cinemascope
18:13 maglinvinn The world's largest cinema screen (a 15/70 mm IMAX) is the LG IMAX Theatre in Sydney, Australia. It is approximately eight stories high, with dimensions of 35.73 × 29.42 m (117.2 × 96.5 ft) and covers an area of more than 1,015 m2 (10,930 sq ft).[14] The largest digital IMAX screen, almost 100 feet (30 m) wide, is located at the Warren Theatres in Wichita, Kansas.
18:13 maglinvinn there's the relevant bit.
18:14 maglinvinn 70mm film.  1.43.
18:14 ajcc hmm, what an odd format
18:14 egrsteve well, I need to head to class, ttyl
18:14 tlockley cya egrsteve
18:15 tlockley ajcc: it is but damn does it look sexy when done right
18:15 ajcc aren't all imax movies just action movies or natural sciences? :)
18:15 tlockley and in general i find that i cant actually see the whole screen area when watchin imax
18:16 tlockley usuially
18:16 tlockley it would be kina a waste of film and time to have a drama or a talk show on imax
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18:16 ajcc that's quite an awesome feeling though, I guess the aspect ratio of the human eye is closer to 1:1.44 then
18:16 tlockley recorded theater shows would be cool in imax
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18:17 mashpriborintorg hi
18:18 dbshortwave hi
18:20 wannabe1987 i don't want to go to work
18:20 mashpriborintorg shit, I have to wait tomorrow for picking up a parcel at the post office
18:20 mashpriborintorg I want it now :'(
18:21 tlockley i know how you feel
18:21 tlockley USPS always fails to deliver my packages because "we werent home"
18:21 tlockley when there is always someone at my house
18:21 wannabe1987 lol
18:22 mashpriborintorg it is a broken ENG camera , 3 ccd sony with vcr unit
18:22 ajcc the largest screen in my town is 140 square meters (1 500 square feet)
18:22 ajcc cinemascope, 1:2.35
18:23 mashpriborintorg did you see the video of the delivery guy throwing a flat screen over a fence
18:23 ajcc mashpriborintorg: ? :O
18:23 tlockley yep
18:24 mashpriborintorg there was a cctv cam near the fence, he was caught
18:25 ajcc is it on the interwebs?
18:26 mashpriborintorg one day, i received a parcel with aircraft instruments... they were not properly packed and the parcel was drop... half of the instrument had broken glasses...
18:26 mashpriborintorg http://youtu.be/RR_firhtoPM
18:26 BotSteve Title: Watch this FedEx Guy Throw Flat Panel TV over the fence - YouTube
18:26 ajcc UPS got the same trucks in Sweden as well, feels really odd seing one of those Hollywood Action movie style UPS trucks driving around in Sweden of all places
18:26 ajcc thought they were only used for marketing
18:26 ajcc in hollywood action movies
18:27 mashpriborintorg glasses of aircraft instruments are a pita to replace, special glass, special width, special diameter and tedious dissasembly required
18:27 ajcc same clothes, same useless electronic "sign here" palmtop
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18:28 Ponko hmm
18:29 ajcc I always expect the UPS vans to explode in any minute, or seeing a window explode next to it
18:30 tlockley oh
18:30 mashpriborintorg you've watched too much action movies
18:31 ajcc they only not explode outside the city, in the suburbs driving nicely around the calm streets
18:31 mashpriborintorg they do not explode the vans, they explode the parcels
18:31 ajcc well, that too
18:32 mashpriborintorg especially when the parcel contains some unobtainium collectible item
18:33 mashpriborintorg you order a computer screen, it arrives broken, it's sad but it's replaceable
18:33 mashpriborintorg but it you order a tube radio from the 1920's....
18:34 einball1 AAAH
18:34 einball1 mashpriborintorg successfully destroyed my evening by that mental image
18:34 mashpriborintorg all the pretty tubes on the top, smashed
18:35 mashpriborintorg the wooden case, shredded
18:35 mashpriborintorg the wasp nest like coils, compressed :p
18:35 ajcc is there no such thing in the states or why can't you pick it up at the company or local service place?
18:35 ajcc delivery = smashed up things
18:36 tlockley fuck the emergenyc alert system
18:36 mashpriborintorg I know a guy who fills his parcels with expending foam
18:36 tlockley thats smart
18:36 mashpriborintorg it's indestructible
18:36 mashpriborintorg but retrieving the item inside takes hours
18:37 ajcc if you leave the heavy platter on the record player it is not
18:37 ajcc .)
18:41 mashpriborintorg for fragile items, I usually put a box inside a box, with styrofoam chips between the boxes
18:41 einball mashpriborintorg: Oh surprise! A box in a box :P
18:42 Seroster I hate children.
18:42 ajcc Seroster: I hear you
18:42 Seroster Well, I love them, they are tasty when you make pot roast, but the screaming and noise before you gut them is annoying.
18:42 tlockley ajcc: Try Klear Screen for cleaning you eizo screen. It came with my colorometer and it did a decent job on my matte monitor
18:44 ajcc tlockley: hmm, I'll have a look if I can get locally
18:44 tlockley yah, it came with two premoistened wipes and a blue "micro-chamois" cloth
18:45 yNos http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150563772472206&amp;set=p.10150563772472206&amp;type=1&amp;ref=nf
18:45 BotSteve Title: Lacey Marek's Photos | Facebook
18:46 ajcc hmm, eizo recommends against the use of any cleaning products other than a slightly moist cotton or tissue for cleaning glasses :/
18:46 tlockley ive seen that before
18:46 tlockley yNos: ^
18:46 tlockley ajcc: how expensive are theose eizos?
18:46 tlockley i really need to find a decent monitor for correcting photos on
18:47 ajcc about 3-4 times that of a cheap monitor :), and up
18:47 tlockley figures
18:48 tlockley at the moment all i have is a 2011 MBP and a BJ's Special ViewSonic
18:48 tlockley and i really want to replace the VS with something better
18:50 ajcc hmm, viewsonic used to make good monitors, but their flatscreens haven't been good in the past
18:50 tlockley its a vt2430
18:51 tlockley tecnically a TV
18:51 yNos why is this making the news?
18:51 yNos http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/196248/14/UPDATE-Facebook-rolling-out-Timeline-to-all-users
18:51 BotSteve Title: Facebook rolling out Timeline to all users | wzzm13.com
18:51 tlockley and it was cheap as hell
18:51 ajcc oh, it's a HDTV, those are all crap
18:51 tlockley yah
18:51 tlockley besides that I have an older dell UltraSharp
18:52 tlockley ajcc: do you do photos for a living of a hoby?
18:52 ajcc hoby since 10 years back :)
18:52 tlockley nice
18:53 tlockley i've been doing photography for about 5 years, but i havent really been too serious about it.
18:53 tlockley atleast when it comes to correcting the photos after taking the shots
18:55 ajcc as long as you think about why you do what you do, you'll learn and progress
18:55 tlockley true. My big leap recently is attempting to get a decently correct color profile for my monitor
18:56 ajcc isn't there one from ViewSonic?
18:56 tlockley meaning? (sorry to seem a litle dense)
18:58 Coderjoe even your monitors are using TV panels
18:58 Coderjoe because it is cheaper to use the same panels in TVs and monitors than to make separate lines
18:59 dbshortwave ad1981b
19:00 dbshortwave hmmm
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19:01 Andyroo Howdy!
19:02 Andyroo .minecraft
19:02 BotSteve Andyroo: Legacy TGG minecraft server: gamerxreviews.net:25565. Server Status: UP
19:02 BotSteve Andyroo: Cprossu's minecraft server: 72.222.196.252:25565. Server Status: UP
19:03 ajcc tlockley: hmm, it seems that ViewSonic doesn't supply ICC color profiles for their monitors
19:03 tlockley yah, i just took a quick spin on their site
19:04 tlockley is there a ICC profile for the MBPs? if you know off the top of your head
19:04 ajcc tlockley: if they would have done that, you could load a color profile for your monitor, so when you edit pictures, Photoshop would display the colors correctly on your monitor, and you could export the images with the colors corrected in the "normal" color profile, so they looked like they did on your monitor... hmm. Along those lines
19:04 ajcc probably
19:05 tlockley okay, because i bought a pantone huey as a color corector/colormeter
19:06 tlockley and it seems to have done a decent job
19:06 ajcc they are fault proof :), especially when you profile your printer
19:07 tlockley how do you profile your printer?
19:08 tlockley so with the colormeter is can sorta ignore needing to finding each monitors ICC?
19:08 ajcc yep
19:08 tlockley dope
19:11 ajcc oh, talking about expensive things, check Amazon for a MacBeth color chart :)
19:12 * yNos *loud belch*
19:12 tlockley nice yNos
19:12 tlockley ajcc: why so expensive?
19:13 ajcc tlockley: it's accurate :), accuracy cost money
19:13 tlockley ^
19:13 ajcc like the pantone cups, which exactly the same color in every country and every batch
19:14 ajcc and also the hype, the hype is also expensive
19:14 tlockley the one i looked at first was the x-rite color checker
19:14 tlockley @ ~$100
19:14 Coderjoe iirc, xrite now owns pantone
19:15 ajcc no way?
19:15 tlockley really
19:15 Coderjoe has for a couple years at least
19:15 ajcc wow
19:15 tlockley indeed
19:15 ajcc Pantone is a wholly owned subsidiary of X-Rite
19:15 tlockley now i know why my huey has x-rite gear in it
19:15 Coderjoe In October 2007, X-Rite Inc, a supplier of color measurement instruments and software, purchased Pantone Inc for $180 million.
19:16 ajcc hmm, they must have been piling up those dollars over a long long time
19:17 ajcc NCS is superior to Pantone though :)
19:17 ajcc but it's only used for mixing paint :(
19:17 tlockley NCS?
19:17 ajcc it's a color system based on how the eye perceive colors
19:17 tlockley ah
19:18 * RageRiot|afk is now auto-away after 1h idle
19:19 Ponko egrsteve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sFYSW6QHCQ ever seen one of those
19:19 BotSteve Title: Willy Wonka Computer - YouTube
19:19 Ponko hang on Cprossu you seen one of those before
19:19 ajcc http://www.ncscolour.com/ <--- Natural Color System
19:20 BotSteve Title: NCS Colour - NCSColour
19:21 ajcc color systems go completely mental when you're going to print something, the humidity, temperature, atomspheric pressure and what not comes into play :)
19:21 ajcc or paint something
19:21 tlockley yah i bet
19:23 ajcc Coderjoe: are you into printing? :)
19:24 Coderjoe not really
19:24 ajcc hmm, what relation do you have with pantone?
19:24 ajcc oh, omni on the live stream
19:24 ajcc and now she's gone
19:25 Coderjoe just aware of stuff there. well, X-Rite had a building in Grandville. the purchase of pantone was covered in the Grand Rapids Press
19:25 ajcc I see :)
19:25 ajcc 180 million dollars is quite something
19:25 Coderjoe they're headquartered in GR
19:25 Phu hellooooo :)
19:30 yNos Great, more color nazis in the grand rapids area.
19:30 yNos Coderjoe: are you in gr area?
19:31 Coderjoe yes. I've been to the lab twice
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19:39 yNos Cool, i dont think i have met you yet.
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19:42 yNos Yo, DEAkin
19:44 ajcc talking about color nazies, I told my friend he's laptop monitor was slightly green, and he has never forgiven me after that. I kind of broke him :P
19:45 yNos my general level give a fuck about color gets me in trouble..
19:45 yNos but then again, i have a problem with reds and greens
19:46 ajcc how come?
19:47 yNos some reds look green.
19:47 yNos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
19:47 BotSteve Title: Color blindness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:47 ajcc oh, I didn't want to be rude and ask :)
19:48 yNos be rude?
19:48 MoxieMike are you sure some greens don't look red?
19:48 yNos are you afraid of offending me?
19:48 yNos pfft
19:48 maglin yo ynos.  whats up bro
19:49 yNos nmuch
19:49 Electricguy hi hi yNos
19:49 yNos schoolin the kids on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichromacy
19:49 BotSteve Title: Trichromacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:49 maglin <- is feeling a bit sick to his stomach
19:49 yNos i am not a total red/green color blind person..
19:49 maglin but seeing as i've only had a little to eat today, thats not so surprising.
19:49 yNos just in certain lights with lighter colors.
19:49 * maglin is about to throw some cold coffee on it to make it... better...
19:50 ajcc well, I might never beat the rudeness of the counselor who game a colorbind classmate a resistor when he didn't agree with her view of it being a problem.
19:51 yNos maglin: why not eat something?
19:51 maglin at work
19:51 maglin have to punch out
19:51 yNos ah
19:51 maglin don't want to loose hours
19:51 maglin <- very very poor right now
19:51 yNos ajcc: when i build stuff, i check my work with a multimeter..
19:53 ajcc :), I guess the conunselor didn't know about multimeters, after all, she thought the Internet was a software you loaded by typing in the adress at the prompt
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19:56 Ponko oi oi here comes trouble
20:04 yNos OI! OI! OI!
20:08 Phu finally got my email working again.
20:08 Ponko yido
20:08 Phu yNos: this is why I don't upgrade! shit breaks!
20:08 astro73|alice Phu: upgrade what?
20:09 Phu my linux server
20:09 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sFYSW6QHCQ yNos
20:09 BotSteve Title: Willy Wonka Computer - YouTube
20:09 astro73|alice Phu: from what to what?
20:09 Ponko Computer reminds me of BotSteve
20:10 Phu astro73|alice:  Ubuntu 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04
20:10 yNos Well, there's yer problem
20:11 yNos It starts and ends with the same letter.
20:11 ajcc Ponko: haha, awesome!
20:11 ajcc love the Siemens puncher :)
20:11 Ponko i wonder what he told the computer......
20:11 yNos and there are just as many letters that catch it when the shit rains as letters that dont...
20:12 ajcc hmm, maybe it's not a siemens logo though
20:12 yNos your linux has too many vowels..
20:12 yNos thats the problem...
20:12 Ponko it's a Maestro I if i'm not mistaken
20:13 Ponko but still the wonder is what he told him ;)
20:13 Ponko stick it up his..... USB Port
20:13 yNos Phu: are you using sendmail, or does ubuntu use something else?
20:13 Ponko but this is the 70's they didn't exist
20:14 Phu yNos:  I'm using sendmail.... I got it working now - turns out the upgrade process replaced cf/proto.m4 and undid the MRS patch.
20:15 ajcc Ponko: you can always ride the unibus, but that will cost a bit :)
20:15 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh6EXnZ-Yjg chemists rejoice
20:15 BotSteve Title: Idiot Teacher (Willy Wonka) - YouTube
20:15 ajcc hmm, two bits
20:15 Ponko lol true
20:15 astro73|alice Phu: that's some serious upgrading. Why not 11.10?
20:16 ajcc horrible mixture of my own :)
20:16 Phu astro73:  in case there are fuckups that ubuntu haven't fixed in 11.10 yet ;)
20:16 Monkeh yNos: Hey, my Linux has just as many vowels. But they're not all the same!
20:16 ajcc boom
20:17 Ponko ajcc: when i first saw that i literally fell out of my chair
20:17 astro73|alice Phu: 11.10 should be stable, given that we're almost half way to 12.04
20:17 Ponko i was expecting what happened in the movie to happen
20:17 astro73|alice (of course, I changed to Mint months ago)
20:18 Ponko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XhVLcc36Nk here's another blunder from Mr Turkentine
20:18 BotSteve Title: Wonka Percentages - YouTube
20:20 ajcc hehe, 0.2% is hard to figure out
20:20 Phu right lets see if I can get my console back on the server...
20:21 ajcc nope
20:21 ajcc computer says no
20:22 ajcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bov7UiyJacA
20:22 BotSteve Title: Little Britain-All Computer says NO! - YouTube
20:22 Monkeh Oi, Cprossu, got a task for you :P
20:24 ajcc hmm, it wasn't as funny with just the punch lines
20:25 Phu yay! my console's back!
20:30 ajcc I'm calling it a day, bye!
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20:34 yNos ok
20:34 yNos time to go home
20:34 yNos later all
20:34 * yNos waves
20:34 dbshortwave nite ynos
20:34 yNos I may get on tonight.
20:35 yNos later all
20:37 tonsofpcs cya
20:39 tonsofpcs also, the "startup repair tool" refuses to fix the issue with "computer browser".  forums suggest finding a copy of the binary from someone with the same winver...
20:39 Twikki got rid of that malware i had today
20:39 tonsofpcs yay, which one?
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20:39 Twikki um
20:40 Twikki vista antivirus
20:40 Twikki 2012
20:40 Twikki lol
20:40 TheWitness Hey guys :D
20:40 maglin yar
20:40 tonsofpcs egrsteve: any use for a PR&E Airwave-12, RMX-20, BMX II-14, or a Rockwell/Collins or Autogram console ('complete with rotary step attenuators') that those PR&E boards replaced?  They're in Wyoming and you'd have to make an offer....
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20:41 Twikki HEY YOU GUYYYYYYYYYS!
20:41 tonsofpcs Twikki: Are you sure you got it all?  Also, what version of windows? :)
20:41 Twikki vista
20:41 wannabe1987 hi
20:41 tonsofpcs x86,ia32,or x64?
20:41 Twikki hi
20:41 wannabe1987 hi Twikki
20:41 tonsofpcs hi wannabe1987
20:42 * tonsofpcs wonders if his flags showed up yet
20:42 wannabe1987 no flags yesrterday....
20:42 Twikki its 32bit
20:43 roadran422 .seen lewis
20:43 BotSteve roadran422: I last saw lewis 71.07 hours ago at 2012-01-22 21:39:27 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 20:43:29 UTC
20:43 Twikki i ran combofix and malwarebites
20:44 Twikki and ccleaners
20:44 wannabe1987 who is lewis?!
20:44 tonsofpcs Twikki: yea, I doubt that got it all.
20:44 TheWitness Hey, you guys are the hackerspace in Grand Rapids, right?
20:44 roadran422 Lewis was this dude that said he had a lenovo laptop battery leak on him...
20:44 tonsofpcs it took me about 3 hours of poking and proding to get it all.
20:44 roadran422 TheWitness: Yep, the geekgroup
20:44 tonsofpcs TheWitness: well, the geek group has one, yes.  /me is in NJ
20:45 * roadran422 in Bradenton.
20:45 * roadran422 back to outline
20:45 roadran422 If anyone need anything pm me or say my name...
20:46 TheWitness Does the Grand Rapids location have a laser cutter?
20:46 maglin TheWitness  yes, the Geek Group is a hackerspace-esque enviroment in GR.
20:47 maglin Negative.  they do have a HAAS sheet router, but no laser head for it
20:47 roadran422 THEY HAVE A LASER HEAD?
20:47 roadran422 :))))))
20:47 tonsofpcs there are some laser-folks out there that might be able to put one together though...
20:47 maglin right?  haha.  sadly, no.  they got a mountain of lasers, but so far no one has thought about mounting one on the gantry
20:48 roadran422 xD
20:48 roadran422 It's hard to set the offsets I'd reckon so
20:48 maglin there's a couple Co2 lasers in the laser stock, but i think its a power supply issue
20:48 maglin and a 'don't modify the haas' issue
20:48 maglin lol.
20:48 roadran422 Hahahha
20:48 tonsofpcs maglin: attaching a relay to drive an external power supply shouldn't be an issue...
20:48 roadran422 I would think that if you mounted a laser somehow, it wouldn't be set in coorelated with the bit?
20:48 maglin and maybe a 'moose hasn't let the router stop running long enough' issue
20:48 tonsofpcs the power supply could be driven from HV :-p
20:48 tonsofpcs maglin: likely :)
20:48 roadran422 Hahaha
20:49 roadran422 adio
20:49 maglin You mount the laser next to the router and do an offset for the cutting head for laser cutting applications
20:49 tonsofpcs well, you do an offset for where your material is ;)
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20:49 maglin the router bit is 0,0 in the software.  the laser won't be mounted in the router, therefore 0,0 for the laser is not 0,0 for the router
20:50 maglin you just do a low powered laser run to show the user where to put the sheet stock
20:50 maglin secure it, then do a cutting run
20:50 maglin lol.
20:50 tonsofpcs :)
20:51 maglin i don't think that HAAS has material finders on it.  i worked on a MASTERWOOD router that you could willynilly throw stock onto it and it'd find the panl, even if it wasn't square to the table, and adjust for 'derp'
20:51 maglin it was freakin easy mode
20:51 maglin lol.
20:52 tonsofpcs heh
20:52 tonsofpcs you could probably program that into the haas by adding some sort of sensing probe
20:53 maglin i know haas has bolt on edge finders and stuff, so defiantely.
20:54 Phu I sense mr Eakin in the room ;)
20:54 roadran422|HW No?
20:54 roadran422|HW It's maglin.
20:54 roadran422|HW xD
20:54 tonsofpcs also, if boden hasn't figured it out, those yellow things are cable pathways!
20:54 tonsofpcs oh, nevermind
20:54 tonsofpcs he figured it out like a minute later :-p
20:54 Phu yeah, he knows ;)
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20:54 Phu I sense someone is watching a captain's blog.
20:54 tonsofpcs no... never...
20:55 tlockley i <3 cable pathways
20:55 Phu seeing as I watched that earlier while eating dinner ;)
20:55 BatSteve and I'm back
20:55 roadran422|HW xD
20:55 maglin lol.  Phu, yeah, i'm here
20:55 wannabe1987 yay bats!
20:55 maglin <- maglinvinn, maglin, dan, eakin, freakin eakin, etc ad nasueum
20:56 tonsofpcs "we need more shelves" << they're not hard to make
20:56 wannabe1987 lol
20:56 Phu I never did work out where the "freakin" bit came from... assumed it was just word play.
20:56 tonsofpcs tlockley: yea, I need some at work
20:56 wannabe1987 probably....
20:56 maglin word play
20:56 maglin damnit dan was my boyscout name though
20:56 roadran422|HW maglin
20:56 maglin lol.
20:56 roadran422|HW maglinnnnnnviinnnnnnnnnnnnn
20:56 tonsofpcs Phu: dinner isn't for a few hours
20:56 Phu maglin: would you prefer Daniel? ;)
20:56 maglin mahhhglaaahhhhhnvahhhhgasdfsadfnnnnnnnn
20:56 roadran422|HW Maggggggggglinnnnnnnnnnnnnvinnnnnnnnnn
20:56 wannabe1987 i'm eating dinner :P
20:57 maglin lol.
20:57 tlockley tonsofpcs: those and another 100ft of 3PH feeder
20:57 Phu tonsofpcs:  it was 3 hours ago in the UK ;)
20:57 maglin Dan is good.
20:57 wannabe1987 and its almost 4 :P :/
20:57 wannabe1987 silly job
20:57 maglin Daniel is acceptable
20:57 maglin Danny and i'll kick you in the nuts.
20:57 wannabe1987 i think today is gonna be better than monday
20:57 Phu lol
20:57 tonsofpcs tlockley: another 100ft of 3ph feeder for what?
20:57 tonsofpcs my dimmer rack is installed...
20:57 roadran422|HW maglin: How about hag? :) Or danny xD
20:57 wannabe1987 Daniel Thomas Eakin
20:57 Phu maglin: you know I'll think of that every time I see you in the captain's blog, right?
20:57 roadran422|HW Danny Boy come here!
20:57 tonsofpcs TGG needs dimmers...
20:57 maglin the old lady accross the street got away with danny, mostly cause if i kicked her she'd probably die
20:58 roadran422|HW ...
20:58 maglin haha.
20:58 tlockley tonsofpcs: when we got our new house system we were able to finally stop using protable ETC sensor racks for house lights. But we dont have enough feeder to go from the camponell at UMAss to the orientation tent
20:58 maglin that and she was cool as hell, and for some reason had a marble collection to rival any other.  i think her family owned a glass factory or something in the early 1900s
20:58 tlockley and the guy who always lends us feeder has a ground that is missing about 15-20ft
20:58 tlockley its really annoying
20:58 tonsofpcs we have a permanent sensor rack
20:58 tonsofpcs CEM
20:58 maglin anyways, end of day here.  gotta pack up and pack out
20:59 tonsofpcs 96 breakers
20:59 tlockley ^ same
20:59 tlockley with the new CEM modules too
20:59 tlockley the prtable sensors have the CEM+ mods as well
20:59 Danny|Boy|Maglin maglin: :)
20:59 maglin haha
20:59 tonsofpcs the new CEM modules?
20:59 wannabe1987 grilled pb and nutella sandwhiches
20:59 Danny|Boy|Maglin :)
20:59 maglin i love hte song danny boy, but i won't answer to danny
20:59 Danny|Boy|Maglin .
20:59 Danny|Boy|Maglin :P
20:59 maglin <- plays a mandolin and listens to irish music every day
20:59 Danny|Maglin Happy?
20:59 tlockley well new compared to some other modules ive seen in sensors
21:00 tonsofpcs well, theree's CEM and CEM+
21:00 Phu damnit... what's the name of that PHP function to split data at 76 chars for mail attachments...
21:00 maglin haha.  just don't expect me to answer to danny.
21:00 tonsofpcs CEM+ lets you get current readings and such
21:00 Danny|Maglin Why?
21:00 tonsofpcs we have CEM modules with a CEM+ controller iirc
21:00 maglin are you a little old lady with 2 tons worth of marbles?
21:00 maglin cause if not, thats why
21:00 tlockley IIRC the controllers in each rack are labled CEM+
21:00 Danny|Maglin ...
21:00 maglin the other why is "Becuse fuck you, thats why."
21:00 maglin haha
21:01 tlockley i know that atleast one of the old portable racks has a CEM+ for sure
21:01 Danny|Maglin Haha
21:01 maglin lol
21:01 maglin any way i am outtiwe
21:01 maglin peace
21:01 tlockley though for added WTF, one of the portable racks has a reversed sex for the ground cam-lok
21:02 roadran|Homework Screw hw
21:02 tggmc found a dynamic lav mic in supply
21:02 roadran422 It was due yesterday. I'll turn it in monday.
21:03 tlockley roadran422: do it now and then you dont have to to it later
21:03 Phu quoted_printable_encode() there we go
21:03 roadran422 Ok here is the thing. I took 9 pages of reading and turned it in to 6 pages of reading in about 1.5 hours. There are 30 pages.
21:03 roadran422 Well, 1-1.5
21:03 Experimentonomen bakk home
21:04 tonsofpcs hi tggmc
21:04 tonsofpcs what kind? (also, I'm guessing steve? or jeff? or ???)
21:04 roadran422 "Not putting off onto tomorrow what can be done today."
21:04 roadran422 As if ^
21:04 tggmc not sure, all the labels have been removed, I think it is shure
21:04 tggmc SM11
21:05 tonsofpcs NOMIC cards!!!
21:05 roadran422 tggmc: Are you at the lab?
21:05 Twikki hmmmm
21:05 wannabe1987 astro73|alice: really?  nerf guns at work?
21:05 tggmc well seeing at the nick is tggmc, I would guess yes
21:05 wannabe1987 lol
21:06 wannabe1987 don't mind him
21:06 tggmc definatly a SM11
21:06 wannabe1987 he's a tad slow
21:06 roadran422 wannabe1987: I got my finger stuck in a nerfgun. I was panicking because my cousin was about to pick me up. I yanked it out hard, and a peice of skin was lifted...
21:06 tonsofpcs cool
21:06 roadran422 :P
21:07 wannabe1987 cool story bro ???
21:07 wannabe1987 i don't get it
21:07 roadran422 It hurt.
21:07 roadran422 Lesson, don't stick anything where it isn't supposed to be.
21:07 roadran422 ^Chris with magnets.
21:07 wannabe1987 its not releavatnt to what i was talking about
21:07 wannabe1987 and thats what she said!
21:07 roadran422 Nerf guns...
21:07 Phu I see the MDH is uh.. thrilling.
21:07 roadran422 wannabe1987: xD
21:07 wannabe1987 he uh takes his to work
21:07 Phu ooo ppl!
21:08 roadran422 Not that bodily part... Magnets and his nose/
21:08 Phu well this live stream is somewhat better than the previous one. it still pauses now n then. back to PHP.
21:08 roadran422 Thanks wannabe1987
21:10 * tggmc would love a ksm9
21:11 Experimentonomen who is talking on the stream ?
21:11 Phu sounds like engr. steve.
21:17 tonsofpcs TACOS!
21:17 tonsofpcs why a KSM9?
21:18 tonsofpcs tggmc: ^
21:18 tonsofpcs oh, stream chats?
21:18 tonsofpcs seems like for the price of a KSM9, you could get a Neumann
21:20 tonsofpcs I hear nothing on the stream...
21:20 tonsofpcs tlockley: reversing polarity of ground is relatively common prractice in a number of sitautions
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21:20 tonsofpcs it prevents the idiot factor.
21:21 tlockley i guess, but then why is all the other 3PH equip we have not do that?
21:21 tonsofpcs for single phase dimmers, rotation doesn't matter (at least, not much)...
21:21 tonsofpcs so in a rush you can connect it any which way and it'll work.
21:22 tonsofpcs tlockley: because it's yours and you didn't change it/order it that way?
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21:22 tonsofpcs also, Monkeh will probably complain, but I cut a cable apart and left the UK mains connector intact, despite a giant taped-on-flag warning not to :-p
21:23 tlockley well the real issue is that the ground feeder we use requires us to have a gender bender on it.
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21:24 tlockley because the end in the equipment is the same as the end in the wall and our feeder is M/F
21:24 tonsofpcs (I needed a NEMA L5-20P to IEC C13 cable to hang with our projector, I decided that destroying a UK cable was a better idea than destroying a US cable)
21:24 tlockley heh
21:25 tonsofpcs (not that I don't have bins and bins of US cables, but WTF will I do with a UK mains connector other thaan maybe steal the fuse?)
21:25 tlockley true
21:25 tonsofpcs (oh, I also replaced it with an un-fused connector)
21:25 tonsofpcs I knnow, I'm bad :-p
21:25 tlockley what does the p designate for that L5 connector?
21:25 tonsofpcs it had a nice ferrite on the C13 end, too :)
21:26 tonsofpcs Plug.
21:26 tlockley ah
21:26 tonsofpcs R is receptacle
21:26 tlockley makes sense when you stop to think
21:26 tonsofpcs and for P&S/Legrand, if you want an in-line L5-20R, it's a L5-20C....
21:27 tonsofpcs I almost threw something at the guy at an electrical supply house when I asked for some L5-20R in-lines and he came out with wall outlets and told me that if I wanted in-lines it was a C...
21:27 tlockley rofl
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21:29 tonsofpcs seriously, the NEMA standard name for it is a L5-20C.  I'd hate to think what would happen if I went in there looking for connectors for the theater back at school (they're old Hubbel twistlocks, pre-standard, the ground-alignment pin flips out instead of in)
21:30 tonsofpcs mind you, I've since found an electrical supply house closer (like, around the corner and down the street closer) to us that has better pricing on one-offs
21:30 tonsofpcs (same exact part)
21:30 astro73|alice wannabe1987: ... where do you get this?
21:30 astro73|alice oh, fb
21:31 astro73|alice for the record, everyone else has them
21:31 injektion They use Hubbel twist locks on the equipment at work
21:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: DIE!
21:32 tonsofpcs lol
21:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: (but yes, butchering the unrequired BS1363 ended cable is the way to go, monitors over here give me a steady supply of generic euro plug equipped cables I can use)
21:33 tonsofpcs injektion: pre-standardization or the new ones where the ground marker actually is inward-facing?
21:33 tonsofpcs Monkeh: yea, I have aa handful of europlug-equiped cables, but they seem like they'd be more fun to do something else with, what with their inverted ground connection
21:33 injektion tonsofpcs: They use these too http://www.mavin.com/sc_images/products/835_large_image.jpg
21:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They actually have two seperate connectors.
21:34 tonsofpcs only two? I thought it was like 5....
21:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: For earth.
21:34 tonsofpcs injektion: yea, relatively standard
21:34 tonsofpcs Monkeh: ah
21:34 tonsofpcs injektion: the NEMA L5-20 is a 15A, 110V standardized twist-lock (Hubbel still makes them, too)
21:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: CEE 7/7s have both the earth pin receptacle and side contacts
21:35 tonsofpcs our lighting grid is L5-20
21:35 injektion I'd like some 110V twist locks
21:35 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I don't have any sockets though.....
21:35 tonsofpcs injektion: $10-$20 per connector
21:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ask Boden, he's probably got a pile.
21:35 tonsofpcs why would he have a pile of sockets?
21:35 tlockley tonsofpcs: why twist?
21:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: He gets sent them
21:36 tonsofpcs interesting
21:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: He's got BS1363 too
21:36 tonsofpcs tlockley: because that's what's there?  (Also, because stagepin sucks and TV has known this for years.  I've been in very few studios where stagepins are standard)
21:37 tlockley why is stagepin bad? besides non-locking
21:37 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Also, I see your twist locks and raise you IEC 60309
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21:37 injektion Does twist lock support 480V?
21:37 tlockley Monkeh: i want thoes for all our 3PH
21:37 Experimentonomen g'day einball1
21:37 einball1 hay Experimentonomen
21:37 tonsofpcs tlockley: non-locking and not made to mate and unmate infinitybajillion times without a pin spreader
21:37 Monkeh tlockley: They're awesome. An absolute pain in the arse to remove, though.
21:38 tlockley tonsofpcs: i see your point
21:38 tonsofpcs Monkeh: IEC 60309 for a lamp plug?
21:38 exor674 and really suck to get thwacked with
21:38 Monkeh Unlike domestic connectors those things grip the pins like a vice
21:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: For a mighty big one!
21:38 tonsofpcs injektion: they make all different sizzed twist locks
21:38 tonsofpcs Monkeh: oh, our largest lamps are about 2' per side (maybe 3' on the longest side) and 2kW....
21:38 injektion These look the same size like all of the TL's I've seen
21:39 tlockley Monkeh: i dont mind if they suck to remove, i just want one plug for everything
21:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. which is >16A
21:39 tonsofpcs Monkeh: it'd be nice to have one of those on the inlet to our dimmer rack, rather than having it hard wired, so we could eadd temporary dimming if necessary
21:39 tlockley running 5wires individually for 3PH is a huge PITA
21:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: At least at your insane voltages.
21:39 tonsofpcs Monkeh: 120V, 20A circuits....
21:39 injektion There is a lot of these at work http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo122/rromig2/nubay/ps1.jpg
21:39 tonsofpcs we don't use 16A circuits
21:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. I meant the lamp, not the circuit.
21:40 tonsofpcs =16A
21:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You don't even have 20A circuits. :P
21:40 injektion That makes locking out equipment so easy
21:40 tonsofpcs Monkeh: huh?
21:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Seeing as your breakers don't work in a sane manner
21:40 tonsofpcs interesting, injektion
21:40 tonsofpcs Monkeh: what do you mean?
21:41 Monkeh tlockley: They do come in different sizes and keys for different voltages, mind.
21:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I mean your breakers apparently trip at 20A.
21:41 tlockley yah, i have been on that page before
21:41 Monkeh ..which means you can't pull 20A
21:41 tonsofpcs in theory, you can pull 20A but not a milliamp more
21:41 Monkeh tlockley: 32A 3-ph ones are so solid you feel like you're going to break it pulling it out
21:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: In theory but tripping characteristics don't work that way.
21:42 tonsofpcs in practice, due to voltage swing and such, 19.99A is probably the most you'd get
21:42 tonsofpcs mind you, a cheap breaker would probably trip much lower.
21:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Hence why our 20A breakers carry 20A and tri for dangerous overcurrent/shorts.
21:42 tonsofpcs these are not cheap breakers.
21:42 Monkeh Er, trip
21:43 Monkeh Theoretically you could pull 29A indefinitely
21:43 Monkeh Realistically inrush would foil you.
21:43 tonsofpcs 29A on a 20A breaker?
21:43 tonsofpcs sounds like someone's breaker is labeled wrong....
21:44 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, because the breaker is designed to pass 20A and trip if there's a dangerous overcurrent or a short.
21:44 Monkeh Also allows for inrush
21:44 tonsofpcs yea, see we have electrical code that wiring has to be rated at or beyond the rating of the breaker.  Not 10A higher...
21:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's a lot more than 10A once you get up to big stuff.
21:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's like fuses: a 100A fuse will pass A LOT more than 100A without blowing.
21:45 tonsofpcs right.... which is a huge safety issue.
21:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No.. it isn't.
21:45 Monkeh Because you design a circuit for a load. If the load is exceeded it's the fault of the downstream equipment which _by law_ must incorporate appropriate protection itself
21:45 roadran422 If I opened a cap, what will I find?
21:46 tlockley a mess roadran422
21:46 tonsofpcs right, we don't do such silly things.
21:46 Monkeh Unless someone connects too much, and that's when inrush becomes an issue.
21:46 roadran422 Oh ok...
21:46 tonsofpcs also, we don't run ring circuits.
21:46 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. Silly things like requiring things to have fuses in them?
21:46 tonsofpcs but what if someone connected ONE 27A device with a 27A fuse to a 20A circuit? nothing will stop it...
21:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Inrush will stop it for just about anything.
21:47 tonsofpcs what if it doesn't have any inrush characteristic?
21:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I can crank a resistive load up to 27A and hold it there.. and it'll stay there. And it won't do any harm at all.
21:47 tonsofpcs except the wiring from the panel to the outlet isn't rated to carry more than 20A....
21:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. Yes it is.
21:48 tonsofpcs how do you know?
21:48 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Because we account for breaking characteristics.
21:48 tonsofpcs seems like a waste of copper.
21:48 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Says the guy who lives in a country running on 120V with at least triple the circuits in a normal size house.
21:49 Ponko lol Seroster god helped out Tim Tebow beat the Steelers
21:49 Ponko wow 43%
21:49 tonsofpcs triple the circuits?
21:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: How many socket circuits are there in say, a four bedroom house over there, ignoring lighting and oven etc
21:50 tonsofpcs we don't generally have separate lighting circuits*
21:50 Monkeh Okay, that's fail point #1.
21:50 injektion I am unsure about a lot of stuff at work because they painted everything beige
21:51 tonsofpcs really?  I have three permanent-fixture lights in the house I'm in right now (three bedroom, btw)
21:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We have them in every room.
21:51 Seroster For messing with mericans and their pussy "half mains" voltage
21:51 tonsofpcs err, wait, nm, its four
21:51 Monkeh And every hall and landing.
21:51 Monkeh We actually have lighting
21:51 tonsofpcs (ok, there's a few more than three, but not every room has a ceiling fixture)
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21:52 tonsofpcs 19 breakers in the panel here, two of them are off....
21:52 Monkeh Seroster: There are loads of great things about 120V but it SUCKS as a general purpose voltage.
21:52 roadran422 Soap is made from lye through a process called saponification.
21:52 roadran422 *with
21:52 Seroster What is great about it?
21:52 Seroster You need twice the copper
21:53 tonsofpcs twice the copper for what?
21:53 Seroster Same power (watts)
21:53 tonsofpcs at least I don't need to make a giant loop, doubling the run length!
21:53 Seroster We don't either....
21:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: There are six MCBs for this house, including sockets, lighting, oven, and a backup electric shower.
21:53 tonsofpcs Seroster: I'm bashing on the UK here, you'll get your turn ;)
21:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We don't need to do ring circuits. Just because we have them doesn't mean they're used exclusively.
21:53 Seroster Lol tonsofpcs
21:53 tonsofpcs Monkeh: well, there's individual breakers here for two fridges and two microwaves...
21:53 tonsofpcs so 15 if you don't count  them...
21:54 tonsofpcs (13, subtracting the off one -- idk what it is)
21:54 tonsofpcs each bathroom has its own...
21:54 tonsofpcs dishwasher has its own
21:54 Monkeh Each bathroom has a circuit to itself, seriously. Wow.
21:54 Seroster Why the fuck do you need two microwaves and two fridges? So fat you need one fridge and one microwave on each floor or are you so damn hungry you want to make some popcorn while defrosting your frozen pizza?
21:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And here's my point: You have a seperate circuit for EVERYTHING, and you bash US for copper usage?
21:54 injektion lol Seroster
21:54 Seroster tonsofpcs, Turn it on! =D
21:55 tonsofpcs Monkeh: wait, no, the two adjoinied bathrooms don't have their own
21:55 Monkeh Seroster: Actually, we have two.
21:55 tonsofpcs Seroster: I think it's from the old AC unit that was replaced
21:55 Monkeh Seroster: Two microwaves because one was left in the house and two fridges because one was going spare and it's so much easier to find stuff if you've got that much space.
21:55 Seroster Im not bitching about the circuit, Im bitching about TWO FUCKING MICROWAVES
21:55 tonsofpcs Monkeh: bathrooms and kitchens are generally separated because they're more likely to trip the GFCI
21:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: What do you need power in a bathroom for?
21:55 tonsofpcs Seroster: there aren't actually two microwaves here.  One is for a microwave in the basement that I'm guessing the previous owners had
21:55 Seroster ... The microwave you aint using you put in the attict. Questions? =P
21:55 Monkeh Other than lights, but lights should never trip an RCD
21:56 Monkeh Seroster: We do often use both of them at once actually.
21:56 tonsofpcs Monkeh: shaver, electric toothbrush, lighting, hair dryer, curling iron, straightening iron, idk...
21:56 * tlockley thinks this is funny
21:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Cordless, cordless, not important, not in a bathroom, not in a bathroom, not in a bathroom..
21:56 Seroster tonsofpcs,I hate the RCD acronym
21:56 tonsofpcs RCD?
21:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Alternatively: Isolating transformer, isolating transformer, not important, not in a bathroom, not in a bathroom, not in a bathroom.
21:56 Seroster Residual Current Device
21:56 tonsofpcs It's GFCI!
21:57 Seroster WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT EVEN MEAN?!
21:57 tonsofpcs ground fault current interruptor
21:57 Monkeh Seroster: Yes, yes, unfortunately we're stuck with it.
21:57 Seroster Ground Fault Interrupter < You can tell what that damn thing does in a second. It interrupts ground faults.
21:57 tonsofpcs and an AFCI interrupts on arc-fault
21:57 tonsofpcs oh, and Monkeh, one of these breakers is for a duplex outlet that is attached to the panel
21:57 Seroster monkeh Hey, the 'mericans had slaves not too long ago. "We're stuck with it" is not a valid argument.
21:58 Monkeh Seroster: And there's nothing I can do about it because NOBODY WILL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT if I say GFCI
21:58 Monkeh Seroster: And nothing here SAYS GFCI.
21:58 tonsofpcs Monkeh: telling people not to do it in a bathroom doesn't make it not happen.
21:58 Monkeh So there's absolutely nothing I can do.
21:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not putting SOCKETS in there does!
21:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Except ELV via an isolating transformer!
21:59 Monkeh Go ahead, run your hairdryer on 24V from a transformer which fits in a wall box. Good luck with that.
21:59 Seroster monkeh Say GFI and when people say "What" you roll your eyes like they are completely retarded, then you say "ground fault interruptor, it's the proper name dipshit"
21:59 Monkeh Seroster: And that won't achieve anything except wasting my time and theirs..
21:59 tonsofpcs (1) sockets are required per code  (2) if they don't put sockets in, idiots will rrun extension cords in from circuits that aren't required to have GFCIs
21:59 Seroster Ofcourse you can run double insulated apparatus in the bathroom. That's more or less why they put fucking outlets there
21:59 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Your code is retarded.
22:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And so are your idiots.
22:00 Monkeh Seroster: DI means jack shit when you drop it in the bath
22:00 tonsofpcs Monkeh: our code is to protect retards...
22:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Your code requires electrical outlets in an unsafe area to protect people. Okaaaay.
22:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Good luck having a wetroom with that.
22:00 tonsofpcs it's not unsafe, it's a GFCI.
22:00 tonsofpcs also, I'm now wonndering why there's a wall-wart attacched to a piece of coax over here...
22:01 Seroster monkeh Here DI cords are required to be 1.5meters or less if they are made for wetroom use, and the outlet is supposed to be two meters from the bathtub.
22:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: ... They're not magical all-savign devices.
22:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You can still die even with one in place.
22:01 Seroster If you are using electrical apparatus while IN the bathtub you are plain stupid and will get the short hand of survival of the fittest.
22:01 tonsofpcs oh, hey, they installed a cable amp and rewired the place...
22:01 Seroster A GFI will most likely save your ass if you drop a DI in the tub.
22:02 Monkeh Seroster: Yes, and we can do that.. and still everyone exercises common sense and doesn't have 240V present in a bathroom because it's fairly pointless.
22:02 Seroster monkeh I have 250 in my bathroom.
22:02 tonsofpcs Monkeh: we don't have special shaver outlets here, sorry.
22:02 tonsofpcs we don't restrict where people can use their shaver based upon stupid electrical code.
22:02 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Neither do we.
22:03 Seroster It powers the light, it powers the towel hanger, it powers the outlet just next to the sink and it powers the outlet that (sometimes) feeds a washing machine (I dont have one personally)
22:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We have SAFE ways to allow you to use a corded shaver in a bathroom.
22:03 tonsofpcs Monkeh: really? you have a GFCI?
22:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. we use ELV units with isolating transformers.
22:03 Seroster I have a mirror and good ligthing in my bathroom. I want to see what goes on when I shave. (Provided I did shave)
22:03 tonsofpcs Monkeh: and how do I use it somewhere else???
22:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Or the much less annoying cordless models.
22:04 tonsofpcs Monkeh: and where do I drop it to charge?
22:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You can get adapters which include an isolating transformer. These can also be used in other countries which use different sockets and voltages.
22:04 tonsofpcs anyway, in the basement lair of tons of PCs now.  Who wants stuff?
22:04 Seroster Wouldnt a cordless hairdryer run itself dry in about a minute?
22:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: On a charging station powered off an isolating transformer or, alternatively, in a more suitable location.
22:04 tonsofpcs Seroster: not even.
22:04 Seroster Odd?
22:05 tonsofpcs Monkeh: so I have to take my shaver out of the bathroom to charge it?  alternatively, I cannot take my shaver out of the bathroom to charge it?
22:05 Monkeh Seroster: You don't need to be blocking up my bathroom with your damn hairdryer you can use in your bedroom.
22:05 tonsofpcs Seroster: I'd bet 20s for a non-oversized model
22:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. Please see above about adapters.
22:05 Seroster monkeh... So you can't do anything except for shit and shower in the bathroom? How about brushing teeth?
22:05 Monkeh Many charging stations include them.
22:05 Monkeh Seroster: ... yes, you can brush your teeth.
22:06 tonsofpcs Monkeh: we're talking about "bathrooms" which are really "restrooms", not WCs.
22:06 Seroster I thought that americans would slip on the wet floor and stab their brains out
22:06 Monkeh Seroster: Probably. Do the world a service..
22:06 tonsofpcs we have WCs here but they're relatively rare.
22:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We're talking about 'bathrooms' which are used by more than one person.
22:06 tonsofpcs anyway, therre's a bunch of apple IIs, I see two scanners, a bunch of apple and non-apple moniitors
22:07 tonsofpcs Monkeh: this house has four bedrooms and three bathrooms.  I don't see lines forming...
22:07 tonsofpcs my apartment has two bedrooms, one bathrroom, and one occupant.....
22:07 tonsofpcs (trying to change that, obv)
22:07 Seroster A bathroom consists of a shower/tub a sink and a toilet. Sometimes a washer/dryer and some cabinets. A WC/toilet is a tiny room with a toilet and a sink
22:07 Monkeh tonsofpcs: This house has four and one (okay, there's a second shower and a seperate toilet downstairs, the shower replaced half the garage..)
22:08 tonsofpcs Monkeh: don't blame our electrical code for your poor physical design.
22:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm not.
22:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm blaming the lot of you for having too much space and too little sense.
22:08 Electricguy bedtime! night all :)
22:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The fact that you run on 120V is still hilariously stupid, and yet you accuse us of wasting copper..
22:08 tonsofpcs egrsteve / tggmc : Sony DXC 1800
22:09 tonsofpcs I don't run 30A worth of copper TWICE AS LONG AS NEEDED for a 20A circuit, sorry.
22:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Neither do I.
22:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And actually, there's a bit more to it than that.
22:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Plus, you're still missing a HUGE point here.
22:09 tonsofpcs Sharp QC35, no lens?
22:09 roadran422 Night Electricguy
22:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 20A for you. 20A for me. Which is greater?
22:10 tonsofpcs two of those DXC-1800s
22:10 tonsofpcs Monkeh: it doesn't matter.  Most 20A circuits here don't get 20A of stuff on them so they wouldn't need to be greater...
22:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Because they only go one place because you have six of them to do the job of one of ours.
22:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Who's wasting copper?
22:11 tonsofpcs you
22:11 tonsofpcs (battery died, sorry)
22:12 Monkeh tonsofpcs: What size wire do you use to run a 20A circuit?
22:12 tonsofpcs Romex... 12/3, iirc.
22:13 Monkeh Full size CPC?
22:13 tonsofpcs CPC?
22:13 Monkeh 'ground'
22:13 tonsofpcs the third is ground.  I'm pulling up romex specs now
22:14 Seroster I feel so manly
22:14 Seroster I just removed a bottlecap with a mot
22:14 Monkeh Seroster: Electrically or mechanically? ;)
22:14 tonsofpcs heh
22:15 Seroster Mechanically
22:15 tonsofpcs I don't generally run romex, so I don't know...
22:15 einball1 Seroster: I have my Stepper motors for removing caps from beer bottles :D
22:15 Seroster I could do it electically aswell, but the glass would likely crack and molten metall would fuck the soda up
22:15 Seroster Isnt romex that single strand crap?
22:16 Seroster Romex with double pvc sleeve?
22:16 BatSteve Seroster: You are so manly I will have your babies
22:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yep, 12AWG all round..
22:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We use approximately 13 with a 15AWG CPC.
22:16 Phu MDH seriously needs a mic.
22:16 tonsofpcs romex is that pvc-coated-stiff-wires-inside-stiff-PVC-outter-material crap
22:17 Phu or if it has one, it needs to be switched in :P
22:17 tonsofpcs specs list it as 410 mils, btw.
22:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: With that I can supply 4.8kW. You can manage 2.4kW best case and usually run one of these circuits per room. Who's using more copper?
22:17 tonsofpcs Phu: well, tggmc found a shure lav...could probably run that
22:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: (I admit it'd be 13AWG CPC if I were running a different type of cable but we're talking ordinary domestic here)
22:18 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I don't see how running one per room would use more copper and we don't "usually run one of these per room".  A modern home might, but that's because installation and modification costs are likely much higher...
22:18 tonsofpcs romex confuses me, btw, since this is listed as 12/2 not 12/3... but it clearly has 3 conductors
22:19 tonsofpcs which makes me think it's 12/2 with an undersized ground
22:19 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Room A is 12M from the board. Room B is 15M. Room C is 18M.
22:19 Monkeh tonsofpcs: My run: 18M not including going up/down to outlets. Your run: one 12, one 15, one 18.
22:19 tonsofpcs Monkeh: so instead you run 12M + all the way around room A + into room B + through + into room C + all the way back ?
22:19 tonsofpcs up/down to outlets?
22:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Cable run under floor or above ceiling.
22:20 Monkeh Vertical runs are far preferable to horizontal.
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22:20 tonsofpcs romex is apparently officially "type NM"
22:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I was talking about a radial.
22:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: A ring final is 32A: There are no exceptions.
22:20 tonsofpcs (romex is a brand name, but everyone calls it romex)
22:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If I were running a ring final, here's how the 32A circuit requires little more than a radial
22:22 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You start with your first outlet very close to the distribution board. You run it through all the rooms it is to supply, adding outlets in each, and bring it back towards the first room, again adding outlets in each room it supplies (on the other side of the room). Your final outlet is in the fist room, very close to the distribution board.
22:23 * einball1 puts itself in standby mode
22:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: This uses, say, 2m more 2.5mm T&E than running two radial circuits of 20A, and allows you to pull a greater load at any point you like, including exceeding 20A in one room.
22:23 tonsofpcs right, you don't need 32A cable capacity, I get that.  Do you get that it's unsafe because one part could become disconnected and you wouldn't know and easily go over the rating of the circuuit?
22:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm well aware of the limitations.
22:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We DO test things.
22:24 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Did I ever actually say I support the usage of ring finals?
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22:24 tonsofpcs did I ever actually say I support wiring individual rooms direct to the panel?
22:24 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That's how most of your wiring seems to be conducted.
22:24 tonsofpcs (I do, but only for my own home where I will load down each and every circuit ;)
22:25 tonsofpcs Monkeh: same as you!  same as you!
22:25 tonsofpcs </abbot and costello>
22:25 Lwq1996 anyone know about damn small linux? and if its a live cd or install
22:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I have never wired a ring final :P
22:25 roadran422 Hey lee
22:25 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I have never wired an entire room on one circuit.
22:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I've extended and repaired them, but never chosen to install one
22:25 Lwq1996 hey hy
22:26 tonsofpcs (I have wired rooms with individual circuits all over the place, but that's not residential...)
22:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The biggest point here is: You need 20A and the conductors to go with it for 2.4kW. I get 4.8kW out of that.
22:26 tonsofpcs I've also never wired with Romex willingly.
22:26 roadran422 I think I have a box of romex outside?
22:26 tonsofpcs who uses 4.8kW on a circuit?!
22:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I use our version of 'romex' for most things because it's cheap and works.
22:27 tonsofpcs roadran422: probably.
22:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I do, although very rarely.
22:27 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.  But I understand why it exists (doesn't require conduit)
22:27 roadran422 It's in a yellow jacket, two thick solid core copper wire one black and red, and a sheet of cardboard?
22:27 tonsofpcs roadran422: romex!
22:27 roadran422 I will brb xD
22:27 tonsofpcs Monkeh: right, I mean, I would too, but we're not the norm ;)
22:27 roadran422 And what's commonly used then?
22:27 DruidicRifleman Come play startreck online
22:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Well there are other types of cable which don't need conduit.
22:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: But the flat stuff has quite a few things going for it
22:28 tonsofpcs roadran422: romex.
22:28 Monkeh It's cheap, efficient, and easily installed.
22:28 Lwq1996 anyone know about damn small linux? and if its a live cd or install
22:28 tonsofpcs Monkeh: that doesn't make it annoy me any less.
22:28 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: live.
22:28 tonsofpcs I mean, you could install it if you wnt.
22:29 tonsofpcs I have it on a 586 upstairs.
22:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Other types of cable I've used include singles, DI singles, SWA, and a whole host of different types of flexible multi-core cables.
22:29 roadran422 Then why do people hate romex....?
22:29 tonsofpcs (a really old version of it, that is)
22:29 tonsofpcs DI?
22:29 Lwq1996 lol thank you, i was wondering, i dont know how to uninstall OS's
22:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Double insulated, ie. insulation and outer sheath.
22:29 tonsofpcs ah
22:29 tonsofpcs SWA?
22:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mostly seen for very, very large cables
22:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Steel wire armoured
22:30 roadran422 ....
22:30 tonsofpcs I use SJ(EOOW) and SO/SEOOW and singles in conduit
22:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Solid-core insulated cables in a soft bedding layer, with solid steel wire armour and a hard PVC outer jacket (also seen in other types of insulation)
22:30 tonsofpcs roadran422: I hate romex.  I'm not people, apparently ;)
22:30 tonsofpcs yea, I know what it is, I just didn't know the acronym
22:30 roadran422 What do they use?
22:30 tonsofpcs what does who use?
22:31 roadran422 If you hate romex, what do you use?
22:31 Monkeh And as for flexible I've used PVC, low temp PVC, about four types of rubber, and a few others in various forms (two core flat, two core round, three and more core round, spring coiled..)
22:31 tonsofpcs roadran422: conduit with single wires and/or Service cord
22:31 roadran422 Oh, well, then why do you hate it?
22:32 tonsofpcs roadran422: PITA to bend, solid core, comes in a box instead of a spool...
22:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: H05VV-F 3G1.0mm would look hugely familiar to you, for example ;)
22:32 tonsofpcs Monkeh: gesundheidt
22:32 roadran422 Ah ok...
22:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Don't go all Seroster on me
22:32 roadran422 And solid core wire in a spool? Hard to bend?
22:32 * tonsofpcs googles that part number
22:32 roadran422 I'd rather use romex then a single wire.
22:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's not a part number, it's a specification.
22:33 tonsofpcs ok, still googling it :-p
22:33 roadran422 It comes pre-packaged and it's not hard to bend at all. tonsofpcs
22:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: http://myelectrical.com/filestorage/legacyImages/3823.CENELECCableDesignationCode.gif
22:33 tonsofpcs I found pictures of connectors, Monkeh
22:35 tonsofpcs Monkeh: based on that and the pictures, I'm guessing that's what the NEMA 5-15P to IEC C13 cables that come with stuff are, mostly...
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22:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yep. I've actually got one with the end hacked off and a proper plug fitted.
22:35 tonsofpcs ?
22:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: BS1363, obviously.
22:35 tonsofpcs oh, a brit plug instead of an ameriplug?
22:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Once you learn those codes they're quite easy :)
22:36 Monkeh I have some MONSTER cable around here, lemme find it.
22:36 tonsofpcs Monkeh: but the H doesn't really tell me anything, nor does the F...
22:36 tonsofpcs lol monster
22:37 tonsofpcs also, I like the blue neutral.  I'm still trying to figure out why we have a bunch of single conductor 14 AWG PVC insulted *PURPLE* wire though...
22:37 Lwq1996 http://www.photoblip.com/pictures/18830/what-kind-of-driver-are-you.html
22:37 BotSteve Title: What Kind Of Driver Are You
22:37 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: the kind that learned in NJ but tries to be nice.
22:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It tells you it's a european harmonised cable standard.
22:38 Lwq1996 no effence but new jersey drivers suck!!!!
22:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And the F identifies conductor type
22:38 tonsofpcs which means nothing to me!
22:38 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: no, we drive awesomely, just to annoy you :-p
22:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Otherwise I could sell you H05VV 3G1 and it could be solid drawn conductors. Not very useful if you want to connect it to a power tool!
22:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: (that would be -U)
22:39 Lwq1996 while i was up there with my family to pick up a car, damn people running red lights, stop signs, almost many collisions
22:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Some people hate the harmonised colours but I like them
22:41 tonsofpcs harmonized is green/yellow, blue, slate?
22:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Green/yellow for ground/CPC (cream for functional earth), blue for neutral, brown/black/grey (L1/2/3) for line
22:41 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: up where? people don't do that here.  They'll talgate you at 90MPH in a 45, but that's normal ;)
22:42 tonsofpcs Monkeh: yea, that's what was on the cable I hacked the end off of to put a L5-20P on.  I tested it to be sure it was wired as I expected
22:42 Lwq1996 it was just bearly outside pennsylvania, and i think it was the east side
22:43 tonsofpcs erm... the est side of NJ is not 'barely outside PA'
22:43 tonsofpcs it's the other side of the state...
22:43 Lwq1996 west side i guess
22:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh: our equipment IEC-hookup cables are usually green/yellow, black, white
22:43 Lwq1996 my dirrections are mixed up
22:44 tonsofpcs Lwq1996: note: Camden is not NJ.  It's its own little world.
22:44 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Only ones I've seen are solid green CPC.
22:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Black hot white not, right?
22:47 * masterofmonks looks at Lwq1996
22:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i6AKjFNYdwg/TyCF26llx2I/AAAAAAAAAZ8/VH1k0VbaTh0/s1024/IMG_20120125_224307.jpg
22:48 tonsofpcs Monkeh: yes.
22:48 tonsofpcs solid green is common.  Cord manufacturers are slowly moving to green+yellow  or yellow+green.  I'm seeing it a lot more in newer IEC cables than other types but I see it in other types as well
22:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You might end up picking up the harmonised colours for prefab cables soon tbh.
22:49 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're used just about everywhere else
22:49 Monkeh Along with sizes
22:49 tonsofpcs they still use white and black inside mostly that I've seen.
22:50 Monkeh As you can see I have some meaty cable laying around here.
22:50 Monkeh Don't get to use that size much.
22:50 tonsofpcs the ground on the SJEOOW I get sometimes will be green, sometimes will be yellow/green
22:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: g/y is better imo.
22:50 tonsofpcs what is that? 10AWG?
22:50 Monkeh Much easier to pick up at a glance
22:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Closer to 11. The smaller is just shy of 18.
22:51 tonsofpcs G/Y is better for the non-obvious reason (at least to some of us) that color blind people can tell it's ground.
22:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We use 0.5/0.75/1/1.25/1.5/2.5/4/6/10/16/25mm squared
22:51 tonsofpcs right.
22:51 Monkeh You can't really buy 1.25 though
22:52 Monkeh It's used because it's rated for 16A for short lengths and as such shaves pennies off extension leads (fused at 13A)
22:52 tonsofpcs 10/3 I think is what we need for 20A (rated to 26?) on the grid.  12/3 for 10A (rated to 12?)
22:52 tonsofpcs (I have it written down on an 'order sheet' in the lighting desk at work)
22:52 Monkeh Also 0.5 is almost never seen but I use it for making my own cables all the time
22:52 tonsofpcs (there's special code for theatrical lighting spaces, because we're special ;)
22:53 Monkeh It's so thin it can take a 90 degree bend right out the back of a C13
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22:53 tonsofpcs they make right-angled C13s...
22:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If you can get them and if you can get GOOD ones.
22:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I can only obtain ones I feel safe using at extremely high prices or in bulk.
22:53 tonsofpcs also, that's like 21AWG...
22:54 Monkeh The cheap ones are flimsy, don't fit most equipment, and the terminations are disgusting
22:54 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I have a bunch of right (and 'left') angle C13s on premade cables from old printers.
22:54 tonsofpcs and some from old monitors.
22:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Haven't been able to salvage any lately.
22:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And 20AWG.
22:54 tonsofpcs 20 AWG is 1029 mils.  0.5 mm^2 is 987.
22:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Close enough.
22:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 20AWG is 0.518. It's closer to that than 0.410.
22:55 Monkeh (we don't do AWG or mils.)
22:55 tonsofpcs that's smaller than what is in the DC side of the power cord of my netbook!
22:55 tonsofpcs (we don't do mils either, but that's the reference on the chart I found)
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22:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yep, and I only use it for really small stuff.
22:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I usually use a 1A fuse.
22:56 Monkeh And it stays away from anywhere it could potentially get crushed because it just won't take it
23:00 tonsofpcs "really small stuff" like POE? :-p
23:00 tonsofpcs my mic cable is thicker than that!
23:00 tonsofpcs (not much, but still)
23:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, like small lamps, switches, other stuff where cable access is tight.
23:01 tonsofpcs you have C14 inlets on lamps?
23:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, but that was just an example of the bending radius you can get out of it.
23:02 tonsofpcs we use lamp cord on lamps...
23:02 tonsofpcs ('zip cord')
23:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You mean figure of eight?
23:03 tonsofpcs (loose stranded wires, run in tandem, splitable from the end,  one half ribbed one smooth)
23:04 tonsofpcs like speaker wire only marked differently and with different insulation
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23:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Like this: http://www.instructables.com/image/F2CTX1MGQWFFDGW/a-note-about-Zip-Cord.jpg
23:05 tonsofpcs kinda, but that looks more like the speaker wire insulation
23:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Single layer of insulation?
23:05 tonsofpcs cheap flexible rubber crap is used on lamp cord
23:05 Monkeh Good rubber is far from crap :)
23:05 * Monkeh likes H07RN
23:05 tonsofpcs did you see where I said cheap?
23:06 Monkeh I did, yes
23:06 tonsofpcs just google "lamp cord"
23:06 Monkeh So yes, a single layer of insulation
23:06 Monkeh That's a no-go over here.
23:06 tonsofpcs http://images.orgill.com/200x200/4627865.jpg is a decent picture
23:07 Lwq1996 wow this external drive is so quivery
23:07 tonsofpcs it's only allowed by code for lamps here and idk if it's even still allowed for that, but cheap importers and such still use it for ground-free extension cords and similar devices...
23:07 Monkeh Yeah, it's a complete no-go over here.
23:08 tonsofpcs (remember: "code" or "National Electrical Code" isn't actually law but is a standard written that most municipalities incorporate into law)
23:08 Lwq1996 brb guys, gonna try damn small linux now
23:08 tonsofpcs oh, when I find them, I cut them in half and throw them out.
23:08 Monkeh If it's not got a sheath, it better be in a suitable containment
23:08 Lwq1996 all fit onto 1 700mb disk :P only used like 50mb
23:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'd use 'em as speaker wire if they're a decent size!
23:08 tonsofpcs well, the rubber is thicker than on a standard double-insulated cord (like you'd find on an IEC cord that ends in .. whatever the figure 8 sized one is)
23:09 tonsofpcs Monkeh: 16AWG or 18AWG iirc
23:09 tonsofpcs anyway, dinner time, cya :)
23:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That's uh.. crap, which is it
23:09 Monkeh C7/8
23:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Rapidly disappearing in favour of C5.
23:09 Ponko ahhhhh i'm going to see my bbe soon :D
23:31 roadran422 Who's ever used kon-boot?
23:47 roadran422 Net split xD
23:47 Monkeh Yes, we can see that.
23:47 roadran422 :P
23:50 BitViper more like netSPLAT
23:50 roadran422 What? xD
23:51 BitViper sounds like some stuff is actually down, not just discon
23:51 roadran422 Oh...
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23:52 roadran422 Night Seroster^Zzz
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23:52 lwq1996 anyone else having trouble with the captains blog today
23:52 roadran422 Nope
23:52 Ponko my mate here yet
23:52 roadran422 Other than no thumbnail
23:52 BitViper worked this morning
23:52 Ponko ah i see he's not
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23:53 roadran422 It worked all the way, just bothers me that there isn't a thumbnail...
23:56 Ponko roadran422: wanna see some funny videos? lol
23:56 roadran422 ... Sure lol
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23:56 roadran422 Uh...? ^
23:58 Ponko one sec
23:58 Ponko laptop lagging
23:58 roadran422 Ok lol
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