Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-01-27

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00:06 yNos .lastseen egrsteve
00:06 BotSteve yNos: I last saw egrsteve 21.65 hours ago at 2012-01-26 02:27:23 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:06:28 UTC
00:07 tlockley evening yNos
00:08 yNos botsteve tell egrsteve we need to do a site survey to see what our coverage is. if it is less than 25 miles, we dont need to coordinate the repeater.
00:08 tlockley still working on APRS?
00:08 yNos nop
00:08 yNos we have a 440 repeater we want to get setup.
00:08 tlockley 440?
00:09 yNos yup.. 440 mhz
00:09 tlockley very cool
00:09 tlockley what would it be useful for?
00:09 yNos the geek group hams.. and other hams in the area.
00:10 BitViper yNos : tgg repeater ??? wheeeeee
00:10 yNos we would setup irlp for sure..
00:10 BitViper ugh coordination in mich sucks arse
00:10 BitViper dont forget echolink
00:10 yNos its not bad so far..
00:11 BitViper 440 might not be too bad, 2m sucks
00:11 * n1mjf has a question
00:11 yNos the coordinator asked us to do a site survey.
00:11 n1mjf What benefit does IRLP have over Echolink?
00:11 n1mjf I always felt that Echolink had more options but I was never big into vhf/uhf
00:12 masterofmonks astro73|alice: Not yet...
00:12 BotSteve masterofmonks: I have the following messages for you:
00:12 BotSteve At 26 Jan 16:29Z, Batsteve asked me to tell masterofmonks that there is a 50% chance that I will be free tonight, but if I am, I will be free the whole night and will be able and willing to write some Python.
00:12 yNos you can connect repeaters with irlp.. i dont know that you are supposed to with echolink
00:12 BitViper afaik irlp is just linking repeaters, where echolink allows individuals to tie in too
00:12 yNos yupyup
00:12 BitViper yNos : yes you can link repeaters with echolink
00:12 yNos i havent actually used wither..
00:12 n1mjf I know I can bring up repeaters through my android with echolink
00:12 yNos i havent used a repeater in a few years.
00:12 BitViper yNos : all hf ?
00:12 yNos me, yes.
00:13 n1mjf all hf here. well 99% hf
00:13 n1mjf and then 50% of that is digital hf. I do digital voice, tty and sstv.
00:13 BitViper i need to try to tie up with you guys on hf, see how my 10m works, or even 20 though i think we're too close for that, at least me and ynos
00:14 n1mjf where are you located? I'm in FN41
00:14 BitViper oh sure, make my try to remember my grid um
00:14 n1mjf I'm in RI
00:15 roadran422 New captain
00:15 roadran422 's blogg... damn
00:15 BitViper im an hour or so north of the lab
00:15 n1mjf MI?
00:15 BatSteve word
00:15 BitViper yeah
00:15 n1mjf We could get a QSO
00:15 n1mjf on 10-40m depending on the conditions
00:15 BitViper n1mjf : i was at the lab on tues, cant miss the green shirt on the blog :)
00:15 n1mjf maybe even 80
00:16 n1mjf I've been tied up for the past few days
00:16 BitViper i only have 10 and 20, i know i get out on 20, but lots of noise in, unknown on 10, havent had op to try that antenna yet
00:16 n1mjf car repairs (that didn't go so well) and 3rd shift
00:16 BitViper all i know is my comps hate the 10m ant
00:17 n1mjf I use a Antron 99 for 10m
00:17 BitViper n1mjf im en73
00:17 yNos 40 is more likely..
00:17 n1mjf that I got for free and it looks like it's black with mold but tunes all of 10-12m and holds QRO
00:17 BitViper my 20 is a folded dipole out of 450 window line, and my 10 is just a simple di
00:17 yNos my antenna is a dipole..
00:17 BitViper both strung up across my apartment ceiling
00:18 n1mjf Oh, nice
00:18 yNos 40 meter dipole..
00:18 BitViper i wish yNos : barely room for the 20
00:18 n1mjf I have a ZS6BKW (updated g5rv) that's up 24'
00:18 yNos make a loop like the one i linked you.
00:18 BitViper i have an old g5, but its not mine, and i dont have the balun thing for the end
00:18 n1mjf It's made correctly though. No tuner needed on 5 bands
00:19 n1mjf sorry 4 bands
00:19 BitViper yNos : i like that design, gonna need to find parts tho
00:19 yNos i had a windom that worked on all bands from 160-6
00:19 n1mjf Windoms are odd. I blew up a few baluns with a windom
00:19 yNos worked great
00:20 yNos mine was fine, carolina windom.. $30 at a swap...
00:20 n1mjf I was also pushing pretty much had the henry on through a RTTY contest though
00:21 n1mjf err. can't talk or type well...been awake for over 24 hours
00:21 yNos yah, i need to get home..
00:21 yNos am at the lab
00:21 n1mjf Sweet
00:22 n1mjf I want to come play with the 100kva transformer one day. :-D
00:22 yNos just put some beads on the coax.. the random dipole works better now.
00:23 n1mjf I'm still looking to build a 10m sterba
00:24 yNos g'night everyone
00:24 n1mjf g'night. commute safely
00:26 JA12 batman's blog
00:26 roadran422 Yep xD
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00:49 DruidicTankThief hey uNos
00:49 DruidicTankThief ynNos
00:52 Ponko .ud copacetic
00:52 BotSteve Ponko: http://www.urbandictionary.c​om/define.php?term=copacetic
01:06 roadran422 .d copacetic
01:06 roadran422 .define copacetic
01:06 BotSteve copacetic — adjective: 1. (US) Fine, excellent
01:06 roadran422 Why the need of urban dictionary...
01:08 roadran422 Hey devast8a
01:10 devast8a Hey
01:11 tonsofpcs omg, where is captain boden?! Big Bang Theory has Sheldon talking about flags!
01:12 BatSteve Because urban dictionary is better
01:12 tonsofpcs tgg|yNos: ^^^
01:12 roadran422 ...
01:12 roadran422 BatSteve: >:P
01:13 BatSteve (grin)
01:13 roadran422 Haha
01:16 Toastdude BatSteve!
01:16 BatSteve Toastdude!
01:16 Toastdude .d keag
01:16 Toastdude .ud keag
01:16 BotSteve Toastdude: http://www.urbandictionary​.com/define.php?term=keag
01:16 Toastdude :D
01:17 roadran422 xD
01:17 roadran422 I saw that post on chris's wall..
01:18 dbshortwave roflmao
01:18 lwq1996 the verb to fuck things up :P
01:18 BatSteve eadthem: props for putting 'keag' on urbandictionary
01:19 eadthem np
01:19 eadthem i just copyed the wiki artical for the most part
01:19 roadran422 hahaha
01:19 roadran422 Wiki artical?
01:19 roadran422 .w keags
01:19 BotSteve "Westminster Abbey Burials and Memorials by User:Martinevans123 started at 20:25, 18 May 2009" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ale​xNewArtBot/LGBTSearchResult/archive7
01:19 roadran422 .w keag
01:19 BotSteve "KEAG (97.3 FM, 'Kool 97.3') is a commercial radio station in Anchorage, Alaska." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEAG
01:20 roadran422 They should be barried.
01:20 roadran422 *buryied.
01:20 roadran422 *buried.
01:20 roadran422 I keaged.
01:20 dbshortwave http://youtu.be/WIAkk7xR0aE HAHAHAHA
01:20 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 1-26-12 Batman's Wild Adventure - YouTube
01:21 roadran422 Haha
01:21 roadran422 I saw that
01:21 roadran422 Aussie accent lol
01:23 tonsofpcs oo, my flag should be there today
01:23 roadran422 What flag?
01:24 tonsofpcs NY & NJ
01:24 tonsofpcs (flags)
01:24 tonsofpcs did he open any?
01:24 roadran422 Ah ok
01:24 roadran422 There was no viewer mail
01:24 tonsofpcs ah
01:24 tonsofpcs so friday!
01:24 roadran422 Yep
01:25 * tonsofpcs might actually be playing FNM tomorrow...
01:25 roadran422 ...
01:25 roadran422 The "Boden" xd
01:25 roadran422 *xD
01:26 dbshortwave LMAO
01:26 roadran422 Haha
01:26 dbshortwave batman = epic
01:26 dbshortwave next person that sees him tell him so...
01:27 roadran422 Haha
01:27 roadran422 Tell egrsteve or BatSteve or yNos or wannabe they might be able to
01:27 roadran422 Too many "or"....
01:27 tonsofpcs tgg|yNos being at tgg might be able to...
01:27 BatSteve roadran422: Nope.  I'm never at the lab.
01:28 BatSteve this is the only involvement with TGG that I have on a regular basis
01:28 roadran422 Oh... Ok
01:28 BatSteve Sorry to burst your bubble
01:28 roadran422 tonsofpcs: Probably xD
01:28 roadran422 I thought you were... Hmphh.
01:30 Ponko BatSteve: is awesome though roadran422
01:30 roadran422 Hahaha He sure is considering he made BotSteve
01:31 roadran422 BotSteve: .cookie botsteve
01:31 astro73|alice "Made" is loose
01:31 roadran422 botsteve: tell botsteve he sucks
01:31 BotSteve Sorry, I'm supposed to ignore any voices I hear in my head.
01:31 roadran422 I'm kidding xD he doesn't...
01:32 roadran422 astro73|alice: Ok.. Well he found code and fully customized it?
01:32 astro73|alice i can work with that
01:32 roadran422 And anyone else who pitched in also rules!
01:33 astro73|alice hmmm.... i wonder how hard it is to generate a ranked list of contributors
01:33 roadran422 ...
01:34 BatSteve astro73|alice: based on what?  Lines of code?
01:34 dbshortwave .cookie
01:34 BotSteve Here you go, dbshortwave, I baked you a black-and-white cookie!
01:34 dbshortwave oooo half moon
01:35 Ponko roadran422: not because of that but because he's a top bloke and an ace pilot and BatSteve is as nice as anyone can be
01:35 roadran422 .d bloke
01:35 roadran422 .define bloke
01:35 BotSteve bloke — noun: 1. (informal) A man, a fellow; an ordinary man, a man on the street. [From 1851.], 2. (now chiefly Quebec, colloquial) An anglophone man
01:35 roadran422 Ponko: Ah ok!
01:35 roadran422 I concur...
01:35 Ponko :P good
01:36 BatSteve I concur with your concurral
01:36 roadran422 But.... No conozco a BatSteve bien...
01:36 roadran422 Spanglish? Maybe ^
01:36 Ponko hmmm.....
01:36 roadran422 Haha
01:36 Ponko time to star my regime tomorrow
01:37 Ponko start*
01:37 roadran422 Regime? Of what?
01:37 Ponko workout
01:37 roadran422 ah o
01:37 roadran422 *Ah ok
01:37 astro73|alice BatSteve: i figured non-whitespace changes
01:37 astro73|alice or commits
01:38 tonsofpcs roadran422: conzco sounds portuguese....
01:38 roadran422 I saw on video if you could find "something" that wasn't made of a chemical that you could hold physicall in your hand, then you would win.
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01:38 roadran422 tonsofpcs: Portugese and Spanish are some what related.
01:38 tonsofpcs yes, they arre.
01:38 roadran422 I was trying to say, i don't know BatSteve good....
01:38 astro73|alice roadran422: so is italian and french
01:39 roadran422 They are all romance languages.
01:39 tonsofpcs conocer is to know, yes.
01:39 roadran422 That is one of the branches/subgroups they are from I think
01:39 roadran422 Hahaha
01:39 astro73|alice my point is, being related doesn't mean you can mix them
01:39 roadran422 In spanish there are 2 "to knows" one is saber and the other is conocer. They are both used in different conditions...
01:39 roadran422 astro73|alice: It was spanish.... Not portugal..
01:40 roadran422 I spelled, "conozco" not "conzco"
01:40 roadran422 ...
01:42 roadran422 This is the dumbest captcha thing ever for a non savy person.
01:42 roadran422 "2 - what equalls null:
01:43 roadran422 My dad didn't know.... But i'd reckon null was zero...
01:43 tonsofpcs no, null != 0
01:43 BatSteve trick question
01:44 tonsofpcs null == null
01:44 BatSteve nothing equals null except null.
01:44 yNos lol
01:44 yNos just watched captains blog
01:44 tonsofpcs I watched, didn't listen
01:44 tonsofpcs was watching flags on big bang theory
01:44 roadran422 Lol
01:44 Monkeh yNos: Just me, or are those weird soldering guns pretty horrific?
01:44 Ponko time to sleep night folks
01:44 roadran422 You should of listened tonsofpcs you missed out on the bit with chris and batmans aussie accent.
01:45 roadran422 Night Ponko
01:45 Ponko left #thegeekgroup
01:45 roadran422 .seen lewis
01:45 BotSteve roadran422: I last saw lewis 100.10 hours ago at 2012-01-22 21:39:27 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:45:34 UTC
01:45 roadran422 Lewis is forever gone xD
01:46 tonsofpcs no conoci' a batsteve antes de hablamos por IRC
01:46 roadran422 Ok I can pick parts of it
01:46 egrsteve he;;p
01:46 BotSteve egrsteve: I have the following messages for you:
01:46 BatSteve The battery got him!
01:46 BotSteve At 26 Jan 02:46Z, yNos asked me to tell egrsteve check this out - http://www.repeater-builder.com/​motorola/r100/r100-overview.html a schem for the "programmer" we need to make for that radius repeater..
01:46 BotSteve At 26 Jan 03:02Z, yNos asked me to tell egrsteve also this.. http://www.miarc.com/standards.html and http://www.miarc.com/standards.html - i assume we would be a SNPR, maybe a district machine..
01:46 BatSteve RIP Lewis
01:47 egrsteve hello
01:47 roadran422 I know batsteve before of speak for irc? tonsofpcs
01:47 roadran422 Clean it up, then I think it means, I know batsteve before we talked for irc?
01:48 roadran422 BatSteve: Didn't think of that, that way....
01:49 Monkeh egrsteve: Morning
01:49 roadran422 Only thing I found... http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1058472/
01:49 BotSteve Title: Lenovo, IBM Issue Recall For 520,000 ThinkPad Laptop Batteries :: WRAL.com
01:49 yNos Monkeh: the soldering guns main use in my hands are connectors.. using a pen-iron takked forever.
01:50 roadran422 I have a crappy soldering iron....
01:50 Monkeh yNos: You just need a man-tip. :)
01:51 yNos egrsteve: we may not need to do a survey.
01:51 yNos i have a baseball bat sized iron.. 150 watt? that thing is supremely badass.. after you wait 30 mins for it to warm up.
01:51 BatSteve BotSteve: tell katemonster http://www.africancrisis.co.za/images/Cart​oon_Military_Infantry_Rangers_airforce.jpg
01:51 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when CSMonster is around.
01:53 tonsofpcs hi steve
01:54 tonsofpcs roadran422: I did not know batsteve before we spoke via IRC
01:54 roadran422 I got it mostly correct :P
01:54 egrsteve hi tons
01:55 yNos Damn.. i am about to hide RED's facebook posts.. i have to do it before i go dia-fucking-betic.
01:56 tonsofpcs "no" = [negative condition]; "conoci'" = to know, first person, preterite; batsteve = batsteve; "antes de" = before; "hablamos" = we spoke; "por" = on/via/for; IRC ...
01:56 BatSteve red?  what's she saying now?
01:56 tonsofpcs yNos: RED the campaign, RED the camera manuf?
01:57 astro73|alice red the girl that used to work at the lab
01:57 astro73|alice she's being extra sappy about her boy
01:57 tonsofpcs right, which one is eeee-nohs talkin [Daboot?
01:58 yNos do yu have a facebook account?
01:59 yNos http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260690192
01:59 BotSteve Title: Red Boertman | Facebook
02:00 yNos she is a great photographess
02:00 yNos well.. good at least.
02:00 tonsofpcs oo, repeater coordination
02:01 yNos yup
02:01 tonsofpcs egrsteve: is there a hyperlocal ham cub that can help in coordination efforts?  Or perhaps an SBE coordination person who may have the mapping tools to help figure it out?  Maybe a google earth tool?
02:01 tonsofpcs also, VE2DBE's RadioMobile is quite useful.
02:02 tonsofpcs it's got a learning curve, but the mailing list is very helpful
02:02 tonsofpcs and I'd be willing to help set up your first few networks.
02:02 yNos hmm..
02:02 tonsofpcs (free, uses SRTM)
02:02 tonsofpcs (needs HDD space for SRTM)
02:02 dbshortwave o.o
02:02 BatSteve oh wow
02:02 BatSteve lookit that
02:03 tonsofpcs I use it for coverage predictions of our FMs and DTs (the FCC contour is what we coordinate with, but that doesn't really take terrain into account)
02:03 tonsofpcs hi dbshortwave
02:03 dbshortwave Hi tonsofpcs
02:03 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: can you pick up 91.7 from there?
02:03 tonsofpcs (FM)
02:03 BatSteve yNos: I must have stifled her already, because I wasn't seeing any of that.
02:03 * tonsofpcs assumes not, but wonders....
02:03 dbshortwave not sure...
02:04 dbshortwave when i get my FM radio hooked back up ill let you know
02:04 dbshortwave this town i have to put a power antenna to get ANYTHING
02:04 tonsofpcs try with a car radio?
02:04 tonsofpcs well, you're on a mountain face in the middle of nowhere, what do you expect?
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02:05 tonsofpcs I was getting 89.3 up 26 until just west of you, then I got 91.7 for a bit..... (both mine)
02:05 tonsofpcs 91.7 is in oneonta, south of the valley
02:06 tonsofpcs yNos: www.cplus.org/rmw/
02:06 tonsofpcs runs on windows
02:06 dbshortwave i'll check it out in the morning
02:07 tonsofpcs k
02:07 yNos tonsofpcs: already found it and setup an account
02:07 tonsofpcs setup an account?
02:08 tonsofpcs oh, for the mailing list?
02:09 yNos yup
02:10 roadran422 I set my elbow on the bed it shakes. I take it off it's ok. wTF?
02:11 tonsofpcs nerve pinch?
02:11 roadran422 It stopped... So most likely xD
02:12 tonsofpcs i get that sometimes when i put my elbow on the window ledge of my car
02:12 roadran422 Ah ok
02:13 roadran422 Who sings when they are falling to their doom down a well?
02:13 roadran422 Batman. Hahaha
02:13 yNos i dont get it.
02:14 roadran422 It was a line from a show...
02:15 roadran422 The play was meant for the person just to fall but it was modified for the preson falling to their doom to sing. Person who wrote the play asks who does that. The director says abtman
02:15 roadran422 *batman
02:16 roadran422 Dumb joke...
02:18 tonsofpcs yNos: got it running yet?
02:19 yNos yup
02:19 yNos am bumbling through it..
02:19 tonsofpcs you need to set it up to pull SRTM
02:19 yNos srtm?
02:19 tonsofpcs Shuttle Recon Terrain Model
02:19 yNos ok..
02:19 tonsofpcs scans of earth, 3m resolution, taken from the shuttles
02:20 tonsofpcs step 10 of the download instructions
02:20 tonsofpcs oh, you also need to manually edit map_link to enable the different map sources
02:21 KB3NZQ hi yNos
02:23 yNos hiya
02:23 KB3NZQ how are you doing?
02:24 yNos not too shabby
02:24 KB3NZQ good
02:24 tonsofpcs sorry, Shuttle Radar Topo Mission
02:24 yNos am trying to see what "Radio Mobile" gives me..
02:24 KB3NZQ well good night to you and tonsofpcs
02:24 * tonsofpcs is installing it on the home PC right now
02:25 tonsofpcs g'nite KB3NZQ
02:25 tonsofpcs (I have it installed at work)
02:25 egrsteve http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabet​hwoyke/2012/01/26/consumer-white-spa​ces-gadgets-chipsets-in-the-works/
02:25 BotSteve Title: Consumer 'White Spaces' Gadgets, Chipsets In The Works - Forbes
02:25 egrsteve they had better not interfere with wireless mics
02:26 tonsofpcs ugh...
02:26 egrsteve ya
02:26 tonsofpcs They will.
02:26 tonsofpcs Which is annoying.
02:26 tonsofpcs Since I am a LICENSED user of UHF wireless mics.
02:26 tonsofpcs you're an unlicensed user, you've always been secondary and/or tertiary depending on what channels
02:27 egrsteve wireless mics are low power and even if they did listen first they could walk over them due to longer range
02:27 tonsofpcs yup.
02:27 tonsofpcs well, it's worse now too since channel 60+ are gone
02:27 egrsteve how much work/ cost is it for a uhf mic license
02:27 tonsofpcs you need to have a TV/DT license
02:28 egrsteve ah, ok
02:28 tonsofpcs licensees of TV stations have a license to use mics in the UHF band.
02:28 tonsofpcs idk what the VHF rules are
02:28 egrsteve so you can't get a mic only license
02:28 tonsofpcs not afaik
02:28 egrsteve so if your in analog 20, you can use mics in that spectrum
02:28 tlockley tonsofpcs: so does that mean that I/my Univ needs a license for our UHF shures?
02:28 tonsofpcs we coordinate where our wireless mics are through the SBE freq coord so we aren't on the same freqs as others
02:29 tonsofpcs tlockley: no.  Unlicensed use is allowed on a secondary and/or tertiary basis (depending on the channel)
02:29 tonsofpcs it does technically mean that if a news crew from a TV station shows up and powers on, you've gotta shut off.  In reality they probably scan for a free channel and don't bother you
02:29 tlockley meaning? (still very new to understanding radio and spectrum usage)
02:29 tlockley oh, ah
02:30 tonsofpcs also, universities are special in the RF world in the US
02:30 egrsteve as long as everyone plays resonably it's not a big deal
02:30 tlockley really?
02:30 tonsofpcs (it's different for different services)
02:31 tlockley I do know that we are supposed to only purchace certain versions of our transmitters/recievers for our area
02:31 tonsofpcs well, yea, you cannot go on top of a TV channel that exists
02:31 tlockley yep
02:31 tonsofpcs in larger metros, there's likely more coordination even with schools
02:32 tlockley ic
02:32 yNos tonsofpcs: UI sucks..
02:32 tlockley IIRC we used to have issues with old analog cell/nextel at one point
02:32 yNos not layed out well
02:32 tonsofpcs yNos: yes, but once you get used to it you get results
02:32 tonsofpcs use the fkeys and ctrl key combos
02:33 tonsofpcs i don't touch the menus or buttons except for the show/hide network button
02:33 tlockley what software is this?
02:33 tonsofpcs RadioMobile
02:34 tonsofpcs for many radio services, universities are allowed to utilize the system so long as they don't go over part 15 (1 microvolt per meter at 1 meter) at the edge of the campus.
02:34 tlockley huh?
02:34 tlockley microvolt per meter at 1 meter?
02:34 yNos how do i import a map?
02:35 tonsofpcs yNos: F7
02:35 yNos 1mv/m from one meter off the campus lines
02:35 yNos campus border
02:35 tonsofpcs tlockley: volts/meter is a measurement of signal strength
02:35 tonsofpcs micrrovolt, not millivolte
02:35 tlockley ok
02:36 tonsofpcs which is funny since fluorescent lamps in commercial spaces are allowed 30 millivolts per meter at 30 meters.... yea....
02:36 yNos am guessing i need more info before i can f7
02:36 tonsofpcs yea
02:36 tonsofpcs did you edit the map data text file?
02:37 tonsofpcs ctrl+u and add a unit, give it some nearby coordinates. (make sure you set it N/W since it defaults N/E)
02:37 yNos i dont see Map_Link.txt...
02:38 yNos ahh
02:38 yNos ok
02:38 yNos i missed a zip
02:38 tonsofpcs :)
02:39 tonsofpcs he doesn't make it east
02:39 tonsofpcs *easy
02:39 tonsofpcs once you have it working
02:39 tonsofpcs *once you have it working, it'll be easier
02:40 dbshortwave im off to play in steam
02:41 dbshortwave see if i can off a few heavys and a few snipers
02:41 yNos what am i supposed to edit in here?
02:41 tonsofpcs anyway, once oyu have that configured, go to options and enable SRTM download (choose your resolution and set an appropriate path)
02:41 dbshortwave have fun everyone
02:41 tonsofpcs just remove the 's before the sites
02:41 roadran422 Who wants to have a round of words with friends with me? No cheating
02:41 yNos ahh
02:42 tonsofpcs I don't have it here, sorry roadran422
02:42 tonsofpcs 2 weeks I should have a tablet
02:42 roadran422 Ah ok... I just ant someone to compete with.
02:42 * roadran422 never bandage over a joint, especially one of the fingers, it's hard to type.
02:42 tonsofpcs note: SRTM is *huge* for the whole thing.  I force grabbed my whole region and I auto-grab everything else on demand and cache locally.  I probably have about 30 gig used
02:43 yNos damn
02:44 tonsofpcs well, you don't need the entirre states of NY, PA, NJ, CT, VT, and surrounding areas....
02:44 tonsofpcs you also don't need 1/3 m
02:44 astro73|alice i have discovered something. minecraft classic is lame
02:44 KawaiiJess What was your first clue astro73|alice? Lol
02:44 KawaiiJess Shit's so old
02:45 roadran422 Hahaha
02:45 astro73|alice :P
02:45 roadran422 What's the latest version? 1.0?
02:45 astro73|alice i figured i'd play around before spending money
02:45 tonsofpcs anyway, let me know once you have that set
02:45 astro73|alice except it's nothing like the game
02:45 roadran422 I don't like it..
02:45 tonsofpcs (I'm doing the same here at the same time)
02:45 KawaiiJess Yeah. I'm not really sure why they bother letting people play classic. It's such a shitty experience
02:45 roadran422 What the hell does one do with a old laptop harddrive!
02:45 KawaiiJess I would think it only hurts sales
02:46 tlockley PATA or SATA roadran422
02:46 roadran422 Hahahaha I never really liked mine craft for some reason...
02:46 roadran422 tlockley: I think it's sata
02:46 tonsofpcs roadran422: good for you :) don't get sucked in.
02:46 tlockley put it in a computer and use it as a random storage/backup
02:46 tlockley just dont trust it explicitly for backups
02:46 roadran422 tonsofpcs: Hahaha
02:46 roadran422 tlockley: Isn't pata the same as ide?
02:46 tlockley yes
02:47 yNos tonsofpcs: where do i enter my lat/long?
02:47 astro73|alice well, some old friends of mine are starting a server and i discovered the technic pack, so now buying it is a serious thought
02:47 roadran422 I know what ide is... not pata lol
02:47 tlockley it would be obvious if it wasnt sata
02:47 roadran422 Yah haha
02:47 roadran422 I might get an enclosure and do something neet for it...
02:47 tonsofpcs yNos: ok, ctrl+U
02:47 tonsofpcs click Unit 1, give it a name (make it be your center of map point)
02:47 tonsofpcs then click "enter lat/lon or QRA"
02:48 roadran422 Come to think of it, I have 20 dollars, I can get an enclosure... But I want to spend 24 bucks on a I-Fixit screwdriver bit set...
02:48 tlockley get teh driver set
02:48 tonsofpcs mine is 42 N 76 W (it's like 3 miles from our station)
02:48 roadran422 I probably will haha
02:48 roadran422 First decent thing... That is mine! :P
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02:48 tlockley it the lappy drive is sata, just mount it or protect it slight and it will be fine
02:49 tlockley *slightly
02:49 tonsofpcs then uncheck enabled and set an icon
02:49 tonsofpcs (enabled lets you move it)
02:49 roadran422 I don't have an enclosure nor can I really connect it anywhere...
02:49 roadran422 Unless I shell out a dvd drive sata thing
02:49 tonsofpcs err, wai,t scratch that.  Leave it enabled, Check "locked"
02:49 tonsofpcs i forgot that he split those up in like version 9 :-p
02:49 tlockley roadran422: do you have a computer with sata?
02:49 roadran422 Yah...
02:50 roadran422 What can I do, the computer is trash basically
02:50 yNos done
02:50 tonsofpcs ok, hit ok, then press F8
02:50 tlockley put linux/*BSD on it
02:50 tlockley roadran422: ^
02:50 tonsofpcs 'select a unit' for the center
02:50 tonsofpcs size: 2000px x 2000px, 100km x 100km
02:50 roadran422 What can I do? Learn how to use linux....
02:50 tlockley yeah
02:50 roadran422 I guess I could
02:50 tlockley its an important skill
02:51 roadran422 Hahaha
02:51 tlockley no really
02:51 roadran422 I can easily just virtual that shit
02:51 tlockley dont
02:51 tlockley ever
02:51 tonsofpcs elevation source [SRTM] (already selected) click browse next to it to set the proper path
02:51 roadran422 Why?
02:51 tlockley beacuse its not worth it
02:51 roadran422 It's less of an hassle?
02:51 tlockley if the computer is shit then virtualization will make it double shit
02:51 roadran422 No, this is a good computer
02:51 tonsofpcs oh, and check 'adjust units elevation'
02:52 tlockley and you run into driver issues with linux on vitualization
02:52 BatSteve Adam: maybe you have seen the movie that has this scene...   a guys house is being invaded and hes got someone over...  the guy is incredibly calm despite having no weapon...  so he builds a garage gun as the home is bieing invaded
02:52 tonsofpcs then click extract and wait :)
02:52 roadran422 Oh... Ok....
02:52 BatSteve anybody know what movie he's talking about?
02:52 tlockley nope
02:52 yNos then extract?
02:53 tonsofpcs BatSteve: sounds like one of those 'martians' movies based on those kids novels....
02:53 roadran422 I have a legit ubuntu 10.04 LTS Desktop Edition
02:53 tonsofpcs roadran422: it's free...
02:53 roadran422 I might even have kubuntu.
02:53 tlockley dont go with a *buntu
02:53 roadran422 tonsofpcs: No.. I mean the legit disk from ubuntu them selves... It's free also xD
02:53 yNos my ubuntu is illigitamate
02:53 tlockley get debian if you want apt
02:53 yNos so is my spelling.
02:54 roadran422 Hahaha
02:54 tlockley ubuntu has been doing stupid stuff recently
02:55 yNos ohamn.. how do i zoom out.. its soo..
02:55 roadran422 I got a free set of legit ubuntu disks...
02:55 tonsofpcs yNos: don't worry!  no need to zoom.
02:55 roadran422 I will see... I might just mess around with linuxx
02:55 roadran422 Or gentoo!
02:55 tonsofpcs now save the map and networks
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02:55 yNos still downloading.
02:55 tlockley gentoo may be a little much to start with
02:55 roadran422 I heard it was a pain in the ass 2 install
02:55 tonsofpcs ok, well when it's done :)
02:55 tlockley thats just the beginning
02:56 roadran422 ...What else? Compatibiltiy issues? Also, is gentoo meant to be so hard to set up?
02:56 tonsofpcs once it's saved, you can F7 and choose google maps to see just what scale it is.  You'll be surprised (oh, and tell it not to keep the data)
02:56 tlockley you need atleast a cursory understanding of how *nix works before you do gentoo, IMO
02:56 roadran422 Ah.... Linux it is...
02:56 tonsofpcs tlockley: unless you're a masochist
02:56 tlockley ^
02:56 Monkeh roadran422: It's not hard to set up.
02:56 tlockley roadran422: sofar everything you have listed is Linux
02:56 Monkeh It's very easy.
02:57 tlockley they are all just different distros
02:57 yNos saved..
02:57 roadran422 tonsofpcs: I think the word was sadist...
02:57 roadran422 Ah ok...
02:57 roadran422 Monkeh: Have you done it yourself?
02:57 roadran422 Wait... not sadist
02:57 tonsofpcs yNos: so yea, just to see scale, hit F7, choose google maps, hit ok
02:57 yNos fetching..
02:57 tonsofpcs don't hit ok on the second dialog that pops up
02:57 yNos no?
02:58 tonsofpcs no, just look at the scale, then choose "do not keep"
02:58 roadran422 It is masochist xD
02:58 yNos ah
02:58 Monkeh LSB Version:n/a
02:58 Monkeh Distributor ID:Gentoo
02:58 Monkeh Description:Gentoo Base System release 2.1
02:58 Monkeh Release:2.1
02:58 Monkeh Codename:n/a
02:58 roadran422 ...?
02:58 Monkeh Seems so, yes.
02:58 roadran422 ...
02:58 tonsofpcs you're going to want to see the terrain and have a rough idea of where it is, keep it saved with terrain.  When you run plots, you can do it over terraain or over map *or* you can render a white 'map' and then render terrain then save it and load it in google earth :)
02:59 tlockley roadran422: get a non ubuntu linux distro and learn how to work with it
02:59 roadran422 Well... I know I will be spending time messing with ubuntu for a while xD night all!
02:59 tlockley then move on to gentoo or slackware
02:59 roadran422 I know something about apt-get
02:59 Monkeh roadran422: There's no such thing as a 'legit' CD: It's FREE.
02:59 roadran422 then app goes after
02:59 Monkeh You can just, y'know, download it.
02:59 roadran422 Monke: One dang second.
02:59 tlockley roadran422: really, dont do ubuntu. get debian
02:59 tonsofpcs so anyway, you see the scale and understand now? (each px is 50m at that scale)
02:59 roadran422 Ok..
03:00 yNos no... not yet..
03:00 Monkeh tlockley: Yes, Debian rates slightly lower on the brain damage scale..
03:00 tonsofpcs still loading?
03:00 yNos yeah
03:00 tonsofpcs (mine is still loading SRTM, don't feel bad ;)
03:00 yNos 1%
03:00 tlockley Monkeh: i just dont agree with all the apple-ification of ubuntu
03:00 tonsofpcs 1% what?
03:01 yNos getting immages from google.
03:01 Monkeh tlockley: I don't agree with much of anything they do, including supporting things like Pulseaudio.
03:01 tlockley you like alsa?
03:01 tonsofpcs Monkeh: disable pulse, disable compiz, :)
03:01 Monkeh tlockley: No, actually, I hate ALSA.
03:01 tonsofpcs OSS
03:01 astro73|alice ....
03:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No support.
03:01 astro73|alice i never thought ALSA would be controversial
03:01 tlockley Monkeh: what do you use?
03:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Shame, because OSS4 with some refinements is a far better way, but..
03:02 Monkeh tlockley: Pulseaudio on top of ALSA. It's literally the only way to get my hardware to work, and even then it doesn't work right.
03:02 Monkeh tlockley: It's a godawful hack and currently it's broken again.
03:02 roadran422 One more second Monkeh
03:02 tonsofpcs anyway, I run ubuntu on my 'server' because I needed to replace a dead machien fast.  Rather than build debian up to do what I needed, I built ubuntu 'down' to do what I needed [removed things once it was up and running].
03:02 tlockley lol
03:03 roadran422 This is what I mean.
03:03 roadran422 http://i40.tinypic.com/qzet02.jpg
03:03 tonsofpcs the netbooks have ubuntu because ubuntu netbook remix ran on them fine and I didn't feel likke messing with 5000 distros
03:03 Monkeh tlockley: It only acknowledges the existence of one of the three devices in this box, required manual hacking to prevent it from changing settings in a bad way, and is incapable of supporting the features of the device correctly anyway.
03:03 roadran422 Gte it now monkeh...
03:03 tlockley ouch
03:03 Monkeh roadran422: ... yes, I know what you meant.
03:03 roadran422 Well... Night!
03:03 Monkeh roadran422: Doesn't make them 'legit'.
03:03 roadran422 Monkeh: :P
03:03 roadran422 :P
03:04 Monkeh tlockley: I'm considering building a box purely for audio right now.
03:04 tlockley what kind of cards would you use?
03:04 Monkeh tlockley: Which will let me remove stupid PA abstraction and just use jack for routing..
03:04 tonsofpcs tlockley: me? Lynx AES16e ;)
03:04 Monkeh tlockley: What I presently have, which would be a Xonar Essence ST and an Audiophile 24/96
03:04 * tonsofpcs hands Monkeh a jack field :-p
03:04 tonsofpcs (yes, I even used the brit term :-p)
03:05 tlockley PA abstraction Monkeh
03:05 roadran422|zZz No maker's name + no serial number = CSO (clarinet shaped object) XD
03:05 Monkeh tlockley: Gets me two stereo analogue inputs and a coax SPDIF..
03:05 Monkeh tlockley: Pulseaudio?
03:05 tonsofpcs how's that going ynos?
03:05 roadran422|zZz A computer. No name + no serial. CSO (Computer shaped object)
03:06 tlockley Monkeh: IC
03:07 Monkeh I'd like to use one of my nice boards for it but they're busy handling things which preclude realtime audio routing working properly
03:07 Monkeh That'd get me a nice optical SPDIF input too (these are NICE boards..)
03:07 tlockley yes they are
03:08 Monkeh RIP Abit.
03:08 tlockley basically anytime ive used audio on my machines in linux it was recognized as AC97 equipment
03:08 tlockley *controllers
03:08 Monkeh tlockley: .. man, that's old.
03:09 tlockley ya
03:09 Monkeh AC97's been dead for years.
03:09 tonsofpcs SB16? ;)
03:09 tlockley basically it just worked and i didnt question it
03:09 tlockley the newest iv ever seen in any of my nix boxes was intel HDA
03:10 Monkeh Yeah, HDA is what you get built in now
03:10 tonsofpcs realtek
03:10 Monkeh Only time I'll ever use that is for SPDIF out, their analogue hardware is cheap and extremely nasty.
03:11 tlockley figures, new MBP has intel HDA
03:11 Monkeh tlockley: Of course it has.
03:11 tonsofpcs i'll use it for isolation cans and I use it for the cheap desktop speakers on my desk at work to listen to the web streams to hear how the 'normal' listener hears it
03:11 Monkeh 90% of people couldn't tell the difference anyway
03:11 tlockley between crappy opamps and good headphone/speaker amps?
03:12 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Realtek, Analog Devices, Sigmatel/IDT, think I've even got C-Media HDA around here.
03:12 Monkeh tlockley: You think there are even discrete op-amps on onboard audio?
03:12 Monkeh It's all handled by one magical chip which fits on your thumb.
03:12 tlockley i have very low opinion of onboard audio
03:13 Monkeh tlockley: I have lower.
03:13 tlockley i basically only use spdif unless i have my firestudio hooked up
03:13 Monkeh The noise floor on nearly every onboard audio setup I've come across is above the ambient noise level in this room, and it's not quiet in here.
03:13 Monkeh I've seen a couple of HDAs which aren't totally horrific and there's actually been a rare few boards with ACTUAL AUDIO HARDWARE on them.
03:14 Monkeh But I'm quite attached to my Xonars..
03:14 tlockley id get one if i had a desktop to put it in
03:14 tonsofpcs i think i lost ynos
03:15 Monkeh tlockley: For a sound card, this is a nice headphone amp.
03:15 Monkeh They actually do a very affordable one which comes with a good Sennheiser headset, too.
03:15 tlockley the Xonars
03:15 tlockley ?
03:16 Monkeh Yeah
03:16 tlockley cool
03:16 Monkeh And the lovely thing is, they can switch from headphone amp output to 7.1 channel speakers in software.
03:16 tonsofpcs so, going tthrough sorting stuff in my room back home... leave it to Sony to have a wallwart hard-wired to a clock radio
03:16 tlockley ooooh
03:16 tlockley lol wut
03:17 Monkeh tlockley: Even the most basic cards can switch from FP headphone to any of the rear outputs in software
03:17 tonsofpcs everything else they make has the yellow flagged coax connector.... nope, this one is hardwired
03:17 Monkeh And they're cheap, and still worlds ahead of anything integrated
03:17 tonsofpcs I added a $10 sound card to my PC for optical out
03:17 tlockley Monkeh: im finally going back to school on sunday so i can raid the audio storeroom at work for real gear
03:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I've got both optical input and output on my two main machines built into the board.
03:18 tlockley then i will have a use for my firestudio
03:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: But I've got my proper card in this and the other box runs Windows.
03:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I WILL NOT let Realtek's drivers near my audio or my computer in general.
03:18 tlockley also i wish apple didnt nix the ExpressCard from the newst MBPs
03:18 tlockley i want to use my Echo on my newest mac
03:18 Monkeh tlockley: http://uk.asus.com/Multimed​ia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_Xense/
03:18 tonsofpcs We have the VX222e in the audio machines at work
03:19 BotSteve Title: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Multimedia- ASUS Xonar Xense
03:19 tonsofpcs streaming PC has a Lynx AES16e
03:19 Monkeh I would've got one of those but I use a desktop mic anyway.
03:19 tonsofpcs and the automation stuff has some older MPEG-onboard cards (I forget the make/model)
03:19 Monkeh Plus PCI-E is not optimal.
03:19 tonsofpcs Monkeh: one of which?
03:19 Monkeh tonsofpcs: See link, y'twit. :P
03:20 tlockley Monkeh: whats with the odd not-dvi connector
03:20 Monkeh tlockley: Breakout cable
03:20 tlockley o
03:20 Monkeh tlockley: 7.1 speakers.
03:20 tonsofpcs grr, I hate when people do that.
03:20 tlockley ^
03:21 Monkeh Plus real headphone and mic connectors.
03:21 tlockley i always loose the damn adapters
03:21 Monkeh A combo optical/coax SPDIF output
03:21 Monkeh And front panel connectors if you really insist
03:21 tonsofpcs if you're going to give me a breakout connector, please steal someone else's standard that is in the same realm, not a standard connector for something compeltely different that can fry stuff if i connect the wrong thing
03:21 tlockley are those 1/4
03:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yeah, their other cards use an internal header for an I/O plate.
03:21 tlockley TS or TRS
03:21 tonsofpcs seriously, there's THREE standards for analog audio i/o over DB25.  Choose one.
03:21 Monkeh tlockley: 1/4" TRS.
03:21 Monkeh tlockley: Shared line-in/mic-in.
03:22 tonsofpcs there's also a few for HD15.
03:22 tlockley tonsofpcs: it is keyed
03:22 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, well, what matters is it sounds great on a relatively small budget.
03:22 tlockley sorta
03:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And no, you can't plug something else in, it has missing pins.
03:23 tonsofpcs tlockley: even better, i can break a connector trying to put it in the wrong spot!
03:23 Monkeh I ave this: http://uk.asus.com/Multimedia/​Audio_Cards/Xonar_Essence_ST/
03:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Brute force = fail.
03:23 BotSteve Title: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Multimedia- ASUS Xonar Essence ST
03:24 tlockley just wish this wasnt so expensive
03:24 tlockley http://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-ECHO-E34-Expr​essCard-Thunderbolt-Adapter/dp/B005PFL90K
03:24 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Sonnet ECHO-E34, Echo ExpressCard/34 Thunderbolt Adapter: Electronics
03:25 Monkeh tlockley: Good god, really?
03:25 yNos tonsofpcs: ok.. i am not seeing my icon where it should be..
03:25 Monkeh tlockley: I can build one of those for a fraction of that.
03:25 tonsofpcs yNos: it doesn't draw the icon by default
03:25 tonsofpcs it's ok.  You don't need it yet.
03:25 tlockley ive got a better one monkeh
03:25 tlockley hang on
03:25 tlockley http://www.promise.com/storage/raid_series.aspx?r​egion=en-global&m=192&rsn1=40&rsn3=49
03:25 BotSteve Title: SANLink - Fibre Channel adapter using Thunderbolt Technology
03:26 tlockley ~$1000
03:26 tonsofpcs are you ready to do some studies?
03:26 tonsofpcs Monkeh: for $300 I expect some more thought put into the connector.
03:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You're getting headphones too, stop complaining. :P
03:27 Monkeh They're nice headphones, too.
03:27 Monkeh And on a budget: http://uk.asus.com/Multime​dia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_DG/
03:27 tonsofpcs what headphones?
03:27 Monkeh WORLDS better than any onboard audio
03:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: With the Xense? Sennheiser headset, can't recall the model.
03:27 BotSteve Title: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Multimedia- ASUS Xonar DG
03:28 Monkeh tonsofpcs: PC 350.
03:28 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Similar to HD280s, iirc.
03:28 tonsofpcs yNos: you're going to have to ctrl+G and make some units.  Make a few base stations and a mobile station for each anticipated mobile radio.  mobile stations don't need coordinates set, but it's easier to play with if you put them at your house or somewhere nearby your contour study.
03:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I have HD380s paired with the Essence ST.
03:29 tonsofpcs I move my mobile stations all the time (I have a few, DTV; amplified DTV; FM; high antenna height FM)
03:29 Monkeh They go scary loud.
03:29 tonsofpcs useful for doing reception studies on the fly when someone calls with a complaint
03:29 tonsofpcs PC350s look like HD202s  with a mic boom attached.  Not worth $30.
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03:30 tlockley I personally like my UE TripleFi 10s
03:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're not even close to 202s.
03:31 tonsofpcs I have a pair of Samson CH700, nice cans and dirt cheap.
03:32 tlockley tonsofpcs: is Samson decent enough? their stuff always felt cheap to me
03:32 tlockley like the bad kind of cheap
03:32 tonsofpcs tlockley: I got them in a kit with my zoom H1 from B&H, they sat in the box for a few weeks.  One day I needed a pair of cans and they were handy so I grabbed them.  I've been using them ever since.
03:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Physically they're almost identical to my HD380s, actually.
03:33 tonsofpcs (they sat in the box because I figured they were dirt cheap POSs)
03:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: But they have somewhat different specs
03:33 tlockley well that is certainly a vote of confidence
03:33 tonsofpcs Monkeh: granted, the sennheiser mic boom migght actually be worth $30
03:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If they sound half as good as the 380s..
03:34 tonsofpcs tlockley: for $20, even if you don't like them they're a $20 pair of circumaural headphones
03:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I think the combination of that card and headphones is pretty effective at the price..
03:34 tlockley good point tons
03:34 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I don't argue that, but they could have found a better connector
03:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: For the breakout cable? Yes, possibly.
03:34 Monkeh I like the I/O plate style mine has.
03:34 tonsofpcs tlockley: you'll pay the same (or more) for HD202s.
03:34 Monkeh Not that I use 7.1 speakers, but still, that's how I'd prefer to connect them.
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03:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Said plate, btw: http://uk.asus.com/Multime​dia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_H6/
03:35 * tonsofpcs hates HD202s... my HD201s are better [not by much, but still]
03:35 * wannabe1987 has chocolate cake and (assumes) you don't :D
03:35 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
03:35 wannabe1987 Toastdude
03:35 BotSteve At 26 Jan 20:19Z, Astronouth7303 asked me to tell wannabe1987 that I approve of this, but I doubt the girl would.
03:35 wannabe1987 astro73|alice: your girl should....
03:35 BotSteve Title: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Multimedia- ASUS Xonar H6
03:35 astro73|alice yes, she should
03:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I used to wear HD515s, I broke them after around three years.
03:35 tonsofpcs oh, phew, I thought when you said that that you meant they moved unbalanced audio around inside the case passively.
03:36 tlockley came across a pair of Sony MDH-V6s lik em but wish the headband did try and squeeze my brain out my eyes
03:36 tonsofpcs I never tried the HD515s
03:36 astro73|alice but she's never expressed interest in nerf guns
03:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, it's a digital connection with seperate electronics, as you can see.
03:36 wannabe1987 awwww
03:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: These are very nicely designed cards.
03:37 tonsofpcs tlockley: the newsies swear by those things... on the plus side, you can buy a replacement part for any single little piece.... on the downside, you often have to buy a replacement part for every little single piece...
03:37 tonsofpcs and, as you noticed, they form a sound lock by pressing hard on your temples
03:37 Monkeh tonsofpcs: HD515s are okay, but they have a few serious drawbacks.
03:37 wannabe1987 mmmm costco cake :D
03:37 wannabe1987 Monkeh, why do you have +?
03:38 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I can't see what chips those are but it looks like they're just balanced > unbal opamps...
03:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The foam cushions attract dirt and hair like no tomorrow.
03:38 tlockley yah, im thinking of sticking it on a football or soccreball just to learn them some shape
03:38 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm not sure exactly what's on the board, honestly, I don't have one, but it's not just a case of a breakout cable inside the case.
03:38 tonsofpcs tlockley: if that 'works', it'll break them.  They *need* to press on your temples to work properly.
03:38 Monkeh wannabe1987: Screwing with tonsofpcs. ;)
03:38 wannabe1987 cool :D
03:38 wannabe1987 best reason....
03:38 wannabe1987 :P
03:38 tlockley but why does it have to guarantee a headache?
03:39 tonsofpcs tlockley: poor design.
03:39 tlockley i guess
03:39 tonsofpcs they're not made for long-term monitoring
03:39 tonsofpcs seriously, go buy some $20 samsons and stop bitching about your sonys ;)
03:39 * lwq1996 sneaks up and jumps on wannabe
03:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I have to say, though, as an introduction to actual headphones instead of glorified buzzers attached to a plastic band, that price range of Sennheiser headphones is a nice place to start.
03:39 tlockley ive got other HPs
03:39 wannabe1987 hi lee
03:39 lwq1996 hi
03:39 tlockley i just really like how the sonys sound
03:39 wannabe1987 wheres Toastdude?
03:40 tonsofpcs what other HPs
03:40 tonsofpcs ?
03:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Best thing about them is how comfortable they are.
03:40 tlockley UE TripleFi 10
03:40 tlockley and another pari of sony closed backs
03:40 tonsofpcs but for $100 I can buy the AKG studio cans.
03:40 tonsofpcs (not that I'm really a fan of them for anything but comfort though)
03:40 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I need to go through Sennheiser's range and see if they have any headphones similar to these 380s but lower end.
03:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I need a nice, comfy pair which can go with my laptop but I am not throwing these things around outside at this price.
03:41 tonsofpcs Monkeh: they make everyything from POS earbuds to ZOMG I NEED THESE THEY'RE SILENT WITH PEAKED VOICE RESPONSE INSIDE A HELICOPTER
03:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Actually, I have one of their headsets for my phone and, as those things go, they sound okay.
03:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And are comfortable.
03:42 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I use the Creative Fatal1ty USB headset.  I got them on sale from newegg a while ago
03:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I outright refuse to purchase Creative products.
03:42 tonsofpcs it's not like creative actually made it.
03:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Saying that, do they fold flat?
03:43 wannabe1987 lwq1996: i has cake :D
03:43 tonsofpcs no, they don't. they fold relatively tight though
03:43 lwq1996 CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:43 tonsofpcs for flat folding, you want....
03:43 tonsofpcs crap, what is the model on those.....
03:43 wannabe1987 costco cake....chocolate :D
03:43 * lwq1996 starts foaming at mouth
03:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That's why I'm looking for something like my 380s.
03:43 * wannabe1987 shares w/ lwq1996
03:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They fold flat into a case about 1.5" thick.
03:43 lwq1996 you know there is no costco in pa
03:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I use these for my phone: http://uk.asus.com/Multime​dia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_H6/
03:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh: well, the whole thing is about 1.5" thick....
03:43 Monkeh .. c+pfail.
03:44 Monkeh http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.​nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504607
03:44 wannabe1987 what?!
03:44 BotSteve Title: Sennheiser Worldwide - OMX 680i Sports
03:44 wannabe1987 how?!
03:44 Monkeh Thank you Firefox.
03:44 BotSteve Title: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Multimedia- ASUS Xonar H6
03:44 wannabe1987 stupid costco
03:44 lwq1996 we have walmart :P
03:44 lwq1996 and sheetz
03:44 lwq1996 and DG
03:44 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're comfy and sound decent, shame the volume controls only work with iCrap
03:44 tonsofpcs mmm, sheetz
03:44 lwq1996 lol, i love their cappacinos
03:44 tonsofpcs on the go, I use an Otto Engineering earpiece.
03:44 tonsofpcs I really wish they made a stereo set
03:45 wannabe1987 ewwww walmart :P
03:46 tonsofpcs http://www.ottoexcellence.com/p​roducts/one-wire-earphone-kit/
03:46 BotSteve Title: V1-SURVEILLANCE KITS-ONE WIRE EARPHONE KIT
03:46 Monkeh tonsofpcs: But yeah, if you happen to know a decent sounding, cheap, flat-folding pair of full-cup headphones..
03:47 tonsofpcs headphones or headset (w/ mic) ?
03:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Because mine do this: http://portapark.ru/published/publicd​ata/WPPP/attachments/SC/products_pict​ures/sennheiser-hd-380-pro_3_enl.jpg
03:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mic is not overly important, I use my phone for talking.
03:48 tonsofpcs Monkeh: the sonys do, but they're annoying to people who don't love them (and  people who love them are annoying to people who don't love them, too....)
03:48 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Full cup?
03:49 tonsofpcs kinda.
03:49 Monkeh Model?
03:49 tonsofpcs if you have tiny ears, yes, circumaural.  If not, supra-aural
03:49 Monkeh My ears are.. not that small.
03:49 Monkeh I do need cups the size of these Sennheisers.
03:50 tonsofpcs well, there's these: http://www.ottoexcellence.com/p​roducts/one-wire-earphone-kit/
03:50 BotSteve Title: V1-SURVEILLANCE KITS-ONE WIRE EARPHONE KIT
03:50 tonsofpcs bah, pastebuffer *grr*
03:50 tonsofpcs these:  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?​sku=49510&Q=&O=&is=REG&A=details
03:50 BotSteve Title: Sony MDR-7506 Headphone MDR-7506 B&H Photo Video
03:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Trying to c+p out of firefox?
03:50 tonsofpcs idk how well they perform
03:50 tonsofpcs Monkeh: how'd you know? :0
03:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's VERY glitchy with c+p, I'm familiar with it.
03:50 Monkeh Happened to me just a few minutes ago.
03:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Out of budget.
03:51 tonsofpcs I've used them for quick confidence monitoring in the mobile gear for the student tv station back at school. idk how they perform though
03:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: UK prices on most things == change dollar sign to pound, add 20%.
03:51 tonsofpcs you're not going to find foldable cans for less than $50 USD.
03:51 tonsofpcs well, yea, sony is probably a further import for you than I.
03:52 Monkeh Stick with my cheap pair of portable Sennheisers then.
03:52 Monkeh They're not great but they work, are cheap, and fold into a small box.
03:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Now these look nice, but I can see them breaking in short order: http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.n​sf/root/private_headsets_pc_pro-gaming_504122
03:53 BotSteve Title: Sennheiser Worldwide - PC 360
03:53 tonsofpcs JVC HA-V570 seems to meet your requirements.....
03:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Automatic mic mute when you raise the boom. Boy is that going to break fast.
03:53 tonsofpcs heh
03:54 Monkeh I'd jump on a pair of PC350s for this if they weren't so pricy
03:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: First impression they look too small.
03:54 tonsofpcs hmm, skullcandy apparently makes foldable cans for cheap.  I've heard that their earbuds are nice, but I've never tried any of their cans nor have I heard naything about them
03:55 tlockley their cans are decent but get ready to drop the lowend on you eq because damn are the bassy
03:56 tonsofpcs tlockley: they apparently make a pair with an added subwoofer in each ear....
03:56 tonsofpcs hasn't anyone told them? THEY'RE CANS!!!!!
03:56 tlockley yah and an inline AAA for power
03:56 tlockley they are fukin riddiculous
03:56 tonsofpcs tlockley: on the plus side, if the DJ thinks he's got 50000% Bass, he won't be killing my earss....
03:56 tlockley much truth
03:57 tlockley though i make it a point to just nix the subs when any "DJ" gets on stage
03:57 tonsofpcs I'm just reading through this, btw, Monkeh: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk​=Features_Swivel+Earcups&ci=12572&​N=4220238605+4289274475&Ns=p_PRICE_2|0
03:57 BotSteve Title: Headphones
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03:57 wannabe1987 i like the title:  Headphones
03:57 wannabe1987 HI HACKBAT!
03:57 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: click then ;)
03:57 wannabe1987 no
03:58 wannabe1987 cb
03:58 wannabe1987 1-18-12
03:58 tonsofpcs cb?
03:58 Monkeh Skullcandy don't seem to do anything suitable.
03:58 wannabe1987 capt'ns blog
03:58 tonsofpcs oh
03:58 tonsofpcs oo, beyerdynamic has some.  Probably european made....
03:58 tonsofpcs DTX710 and DTX910 ?
03:58 tlockley Monkeh: in a shoe string budget they work
03:59 Monkeh tlockley: They don't do any which both fold and fit over my ears.
03:59 tlockley big ears?
03:59 Hackbat heyo
03:59 wannabe1987 can someone make a box that meows when boden opens it?
03:59 tonsofpcs yup, 40 GBP instead of $70 USD
03:59 Monkeh tlockley: Not overly but I use everything the Sennheiser's offer.
03:59 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: yes.  You can!
03:59 wannabe1987 how
04:00 * tonsofpcs finds the radioshack kit
04:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Those Beyers look like possibilities.
04:01 tonsofpcs http://www.radioshack.com/produ​ct/index.jsp?productId=2102855 -- you record it with this  and then remove the record button and wire the playback 'button' to trigger when the box opens.
04:01 BotSteve Title: 9V Recording Module - RadioShack.com
04:01 tonsofpcs beyerdynamic has made some good stuff.  idk what those sound like.
04:01 lwq1996 wannabe i could do that with a switch, speaker, and arduino
04:01 tlockley this could be fun
04:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yeah, it's a real pain to try them without buying them.
04:02 wannabe1987 do it then
04:02 lwq1996 got the arduino and a button?
04:02 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Foam padding is a downside though.
04:02 wannabe1987 no
04:02 tonsofpcs lwq1996: click the link.
04:03 tonsofpcs also, they include a mic now; nice!  The old kits used to tell you to use the speaker as a mic (I would solder in a connector and switch to a temporary mic to record)
04:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yeah, those DTX710s look promising, I'll make a note of those.
04:05 Monkeh They're a bit, well, a lot ugly, but..
04:05 tonsofpcs Monkeh: just go through the B&H list, check features you require and uncheck those you don't.  Then remember that the price increase doesn't apply to european based companies and look for those ;)
04:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Oh yes it does.
04:06 tonsofpcs Monkeh: the 710s are 70 USD....
04:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Okay, not so much on the Beyers, but most things can be sold for a profit outside the EU for less than inside..
04:07 tonsofpcs mind you, I use a $150 earpiece for audio on the go ;)
04:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You also have to consider that manufacturing costs over here are so high that $70 headphones can easily be the quality of $15 ones from China :P
04:08 tonsofpcs well, the 'earpiece' is a $2 piece of plastic, attached to a $3 piece of plastic, attached to a $130 speaker/wire set
04:08 Toastdude Morgen Morgen will be fun...
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04:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not only not quite what I'm after but far too easily lost for me ;)
04:09 tonsofpcs guten morgen morgen ;)
04:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I just want some nice sounding headphones I feel safe putting in my laptop bag and throwing around (relatively speaking) compared to my proper ones.
04:09 Toastdude Haha
04:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Which are $200+ over there and even more over here.
04:10 tonsofpcs Monkeh: on the plus side, they're virtually impossible to destroy. (the plastic bits get dirty over time and need replacing but that's about it)
04:10 Monkeh Wow, price has come down since I got them
04:10 Monkeh Wow, only July I got these..
04:12 tonsofpcs Monkeh: it's entirely possible that they simply started making them more places.  Sennheiser has manufacturing facilities all  over the place...
04:13 tonsofpcs found your cheap pair!
04:13 tonsofpcs http://www.envizage.com/products/ac​o-ac-p281-arctic-cooling-arctic-sou​nd-p281-professional-headphone.html
04:13 BotSteve Title: Arctic Cooling Sound P281 Professional DJ Headphones | Arctic Cooling | Buy Online Now!
04:13 Monkeh haha
04:13 Monkeh At that price I'll try 'em!
04:13 tonsofpcs :)
04:13 tonsofpcs they're 18 GBP elsewhere
04:13 Monkeh I'm actually bookmarking that, if they get them in at 24p I'll have a box of the fucking things
04:14 tonsofpcs http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbs=p_ord:p&am​p;tbm=shop&q=foldable+circumaural+headphones
04:14 BotSteve Title: Google
04:15 Monkeh tonsofpcs: On a side note, how should I dispose of a pair free earbuds which sound about as good as pouring molten steel into my ears?
04:15 BatSteve Trash.
04:15 Monkeh BatSteve: Too boring.
04:15 tonsofpcs Monkeh: they're useful when you need a piece of string or similar to lash wires together to make systems look neat.
04:16 tonsofpcs (instead of twist-ties or cable ties)
04:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, I carry large numbers of cable ties for that..
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04:16 BatSteve Don't say I never offered advice.
04:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And these things are so flimsy they wouldn't even do that!
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04:16 tonsofpcs now you carry cable ties AND headphones for that!
04:16 Monkeh I might try shooting the wires off them.
04:16 tonsofpcs Monkeh: use them for temporary support while lashing large amounts of wire/cable together?
04:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Again, too flimsy.
04:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Seriously, I could break these by pulling on them gently.
04:17 tonsofpcs then do that!
04:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. Okay, done.
04:17 tonsofpcs (says the man who uses 21 AWG wire for power corrd)
04:17 Monkeh .. seriously, I just broke the wire in two with less effort than it takes to open a ziplock bag..
04:18 tonsofpcs braid it together to make it stronger?
04:18 Monkeh Let's strip it and see how much actual copper is in these
04:18 tonsofpcs use it as magnet wire?
04:18 tonsofpcs copper? you expect copper?!
04:18 tonsofpcs if you can snap it like that, I say alum.
04:18 Monkeh .. oh, fuck me, that's small
04:18 Monkeh It IS copper, amazingly.
04:18 tonsofpcs are you sure? not just enameled alum?
04:19 BatSteve bed
04:19 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's uh..
04:19 BatSteve goodnight geeks and geekettes
04:19 Toastdude Night BatSteve-Away
04:20 Monkeh One strand of .13mm diameter copper wire and one strand of the same, enamelled.
04:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: With a small piece of I assume nylon in there for good measure.
04:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That's uhm.. 36AWG.
04:21 tonsofpcs .wa 0.13mm to AWG
04:21 BotSteve Couldn't pull result from Wolfram Alpha
04:21 tonsofpcs .wa
04:21 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Missing search term
04:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I just checked.
04:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge
04:21 BotSteve Title: American wire gauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
04:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 36AWG: 0.127mm diameter.
04:22 tonsofpcs yea, I know, I've been wondering if wolfram alpha can do the conversion
04:23 tonsofpcs apparently it can do AWG > diameter and cross section but not the other way around
04:23 tonsofpcs $0.03 US cents per foot raw material unit value :)
04:23 Monkeh hehe
04:24 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm pretty sure it is actually copper.
04:24 Monkeh It's the right colour, beyond that I'm not sure how to tell reliably especially at this size.
04:24 tonsofpcs is it malliable? :)
04:24 tonsofpcs (also, how the @$^@* do you measure that diameter?)
04:25 Monkeh You mean does it bend rather than snap?
04:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Digital caliper.
04:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Amazing tools.
04:26 tonsofpcs Monkeh: per WA, that's barely thicker than a US dollar bill... i haven't seen a digital caliper that can accurately measure something so small annd usually at that size, you get into "where am I actually just touching and where am I deforming that which I am meaasuring?"
04:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 0.13mm is measured at the point at which it won't fall out under the weight of the earbud attached to it.
04:27 Monkeh And it matches up to 36AWG pretty much exactly so I'll call it good.
04:28 tonsofpcs dude, they probably just extrude copper until it snaps and just use that to make the cable :-p
04:28 Monkeh Probably!
04:28 Monkeh Amazingly tiny stuff
04:28 Monkeh I've seen 30AWG
04:28 Monkeh Never smaller
04:28 tonsofpcs I've seen strands of stranded cable that are around that size... like, stranded Cat5....
04:29 tonsofpcs i've seen enameled wire that the wire must be around that size, but that's a bit different.
04:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The only 30AWG I've seen is enamelled wire.
04:29 tonsofpcs also, I figured out why your headphones sounded so crappyy.  The wires couldn't carry power without being overly capacitive at that voltage....
04:29 wannabe1987 why are they trying to break cnc machines?
04:30 tonsofpcs Monkeh: grab a piece of stranded cat5 and look at an individual strand.  I'd expect it to be around 34-36 awg....
04:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I don't have any stranded cat5e which isn't terminated.
04:30 tonsofpcs reterminate a piece a few cm shorter?
04:30 Monkeh cba.
04:31 Monkeh Hate dealing with stranded
04:31 tonsofpcs alternatively, grab that piece of crap stranded terminated cat5 that you've been meaning to replace for months because it's so finnicky and about to fall apart anyway
04:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Just looking at datasheets, I see 7x0.25 (30AWG strands)
04:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: All I have in that state is FTP and I don't have crimps for that.
04:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I should mention that 7x0.25 is 22AWG industrial grade cable.
04:33 tonsofpcs wow, those headphones are crap :-p
04:33 tonsofpcs and you're sure you tared out the caliper?
04:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 24AWG is 7x0.2 which is 32AWG
04:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: So yes, I can see the really shite, cheap 26AWG cat5e being 7x0.16 or so..
04:34 tonsofpcs I thought cat5 was minimum 24?
04:34 tonsofpcs anyway, nap time, cya ;)
04:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, it just has to meet electrical specs.
04:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They can do what they like so long as it meets the signalling requirements
04:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And yeah, same here
04:35 tonsofpcs yea, like 5 hours ago there :-p
04:35 Monkeh Pffft, I'm nocturnal
04:35 Monkeh The daystar will be rising soon
04:35 tonsofpcs ditto, but I got stuff to do.
04:36 tonsofpcs the daystar gives us the energy with which to cook food (especially at the renfaire where they use solar panels in the middle of nowhere to run their electric wares)
04:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I too have solar!
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04:47 wannabe1987 yay niobe's badck
04:47 * Hackbat needs to get his Sport Pilot's Certification
04:47 Hackbat http://g.co/maps/ma95t
04:47 BotSteve Title: Airports - Google Maps
04:48 Hackbat literally have an "Airport" down the road from me
04:48 Hackbat and there's a proper one in town
04:51 CaptainNiobe i had to reboot, wannabe1987, commit charge was ridiculously high
04:51 wannabe1987 :( at least you came back:D
04:51 CaptainNiobe :)
04:51 Druidic_Sniper I wonder
04:52 Druidic_Sniper How pricise the lathe at the lab is
04:52 Druidic_Sniper I think could easily make a full auto belt fed nerf
04:53 Druidic_Sniper All i need is to create a modifyed Autococker piston with like a 3 inch throw
04:53 * Druidic_Sniper would totally Zomb with an HPA powered beltfed
04:54 Druidic_Sniper acutally I'd probly use a Pnumatic Forward spring return poppit valve
04:55 Druidic_Sniper actually i could possibly Use a standard direct blowback
04:56 Druidic_Sniper Use HP reged for the blob back but LP for the Dart
04:56 Druidic_Sniper Hmmmm's
04:56 Druidic_Sniper i think... i am on to something
04:59 wannabe1987 every mod doe for zomb needs to pass DAVE.  he wants to make sure noone will get hurt :)
04:59 wannabe1987 done*
05:06 Druidic_Sniper Yeah the pressure on the dart will be like 20 PSI at most
05:06 Druidic_Sniper And this aint a "mod" it's a From the start nerf gun done right
05:07 Druidic_Sniper hmmm brb i am gonna compair nerf dart lenths to .223
05:07 wannabe1987 "done right"?  i really don't give a shit, but as a normal zombie, i would rather dave approve the weapon so i don't get hurt more than i already do.  darts to the stomach/boobs HURT
05:09 Druidic_Sniper I'd bet
05:10 Druidic_Sniper My goal is a safe easy to load nerf gun
05:10 Druidic_Sniper With out needlessly large volume
05:10 Druidic_Sniper Thats semi auto
05:10 Druidic_Sniper With out mechanical Dwell
05:11 wannabe1987 make it un-jammable, please.  kthxbai
05:11 wannabe1987 :P
05:11 Druidic_Sniper :P
05:11 Druidic_Sniper metal cased
05:11 Druidic_Sniper For coolness
05:11 wannabe1987 people have told me that their weapon is unjammable....i told them i could jam it :P
05:11 Druidic_Sniper and reliability
05:11 Druidic_Sniper Yeah
05:11 Druidic_Sniper but your not a weapon geek
05:11 wannabe1987 nope.  but i'm pretty good at jamming nerf guns :D
05:12 Druidic_Sniper I'll use you for reliability testing
05:12 wannabe1987 ok
05:12 Druidic_Sniper ;)
05:12 Druidic_Sniper I need to learn to use Scetch up or auto cad
05:13 wannabe1987 i'm cold
05:13 Druidic_Sniper tough Much easyer is gonna be a mag fed
05:13 wannabe1987 lwqsleepingbear i need a hug....
05:14 lwq1996 who here loves system of the down
05:15 Druidic_Sniper me
05:15 Druidic_Sniper thought the enjoyment
05:15 lwq1996 somehow i knew you would
05:15 Druidic_Sniper of Clearing aroom of zombies
05:16 Druidic_Sniper with the tink tink tink tink tink of brass hitting the grond MMMMM
05:16 lwq1996 i think their best song is hypnotised
05:17 Druidic_Sniper mak mags
05:17 Druidic_Sniper Double stack 20 rounders
05:18 lwq1996 i just cant wait till saturday, ive been waiting all week
05:18 Druidic_Sniper whats saterday
05:18 wannabe1987 hey lee
05:18 wannabe1987 you spell better than druid!
05:18 lwq1996 i get to shoot my rifle
05:18 wannabe1987 and lee gets to go to the range on saturday
05:18 lwq1996 when hes drunk true
05:18 wannabe1987 no, i think you spell better at any time :P
05:19 Druidic_Sniper there is a reason i never got into coding
05:19 lwq1996 im always on m computer hes not
05:19 lwq1996 spelling issues
05:19 lwq1996 yeah ik, i cant do anything because of it either
05:21 lwq1996 i still dont have a scope or mounting bases
05:24 Druidic_Sniper NO scope
05:24 Druidic_Sniper Learn on iron sights
05:24 Druidic_Sniper One of the best snipers of world war 2 never Used a scope
05:25 lwq1996 yeah yeah ik, iron sights are good
05:25 lwq1996 but i get to wobbly
05:25 Druidic_Sniper Yeah
05:25 Druidic_Sniper Keep practising
05:25 Druidic_Sniper with irons
05:25 Druidic_Sniper Scopesare not a solution to shitty basics
05:26 Druidic_Sniper Carlos normanhathcock
05:26 Druidic_Sniper Could do what he did cause he Learned to hunt with iron sights
05:26 Druidic_Sniper hey got 5 shells a night
05:26 Druidic_Sniper IF he missed
05:26 Druidic_Sniper there was less food for dinner
05:26 lwq1996 druidic, scopes take the wobbliness out of me for some odd reason
05:26 lwq1996 im not saying i hate iron sights
05:26 Druidic_Sniper use irons
05:27 lwq1996 but i prefere a scope
05:27 wannabe1987 .c 2012 - 1965
05:27 BotSteve 47
05:27 Druidic_Sniper your 15
05:27 lwq1996 yes
05:27 Druidic_Sniper No scope for you
05:27 lwq1996 shut the fuck up
05:27 wannabe1987 wait
05:27 wannabe1987 how are they that old/!
05:27 wannabe1987 ?!*
05:27 Druidic_Sniper In cadets Only the Army cadet marksman team ever got scopes
05:27 Druidic_Sniper Scopes?
05:28 lwq1996 100y away i hit targets in 2in group with 22 6power scope
05:28 Druidic_Sniper And
05:28 Druidic_Sniper No scope for you
05:28 wannabe1987 druid he can have his fucking scope if he wants it
05:28 Druidic_Sniper He can
05:28 Druidic_Sniper But he's cheating him self
05:28 wannabe1987 i never figured scopes out
05:28 wannabe1987 :P
05:29 Druidic_Sniper whats your 25 yard iron sight group
05:29 LemLap lwq1996, shooting a 6in group with a scope is crap
05:29 LemLap either a bad rifle/scope or a bad marksman
05:29 LemLap specially at 100yd range
05:29 Druidic_Sniper 2 inch group
05:30 LemLap oh whoops, misread
05:30 Druidic_Sniper with a .22 is pushing it
05:30 Druidic_Sniper I wanna see video
05:30 Druidic_Sniper or Certifyed match targets
05:30 lwq1996 25y is like 1/4 in
05:30 lwq1996 lemlap that was my first time firing a rifle
05:31 lwq1996 2in is pretty good for someone that has only fired a gun that day
05:31 LemLap I call bullshit then
05:31 Druidic_Sniper yeah
05:32 egrsteve wow, that was an epic CB
05:32 lwq1996 bull hit what
05:32 lwq1996 shit*
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05:33 lwq1996 plus its not like im illiminating the iron sights, im getting through hole mounts so i can still use the sights incase im in the woods and i fuck up the scope by droping it
05:34 Druidic_Sniper Keep in mind
05:34 Druidic_Sniper 1/4 inch at 25 yards IS expertmarksmen
05:35 Druidic_Sniper My deer rifle has iron sights out to 1000 yards
05:35 lwq1996 o.o thats a bit to far for iron sights for target shooting if you dont have big targets
05:35 Druidic_Sniper Should book Some range time at CFB connaught and try the SKS at that range ans see how i do for jokes
05:36 Druidic_Sniper the .45-70 sharps rifle Can down a horse at 1000 yards
05:38 lwq1996 whats the grouping like at that range?
05:39 wannabe1987 see, lee, you keep wanting people in #tgg:guns but then you talk it out here
05:39 wannabe1987 ....
05:39 wannabe1987 "P
05:39 wannabe1987 :P*
05:39 lwq1996 oh shit i forgot about that
05:40 wannabe1987 .c 4/31
05:40 BotSteve 0.129032258
05:41 lwq1996 druidic go to #tgg:guns as druidicrifleman and you will find that you are oped
05:41 wannabe1987 .12 cents a day, huh.
05:41 wannabe1987 interesting
05:41 wannabe1987 .c .12*3
05:41 BotSteve 0.36
05:42 wannabe1987 still not a cent
05:42 wannabe1987 :P
05:42 wannabe1987 so if a bank acct will charge if theres not 300$ in the bank daily FOR THE MONTH, and i take 300 out and leave $2 in the bank for 2 or 3 days, will they charge me for the month?
05:43 wannabe1987 yay for chase/savings accounts :/
05:43 lwq1996 yay for northwestern :P
05:45 * egrsteve should move some money from checking to savings
05:46 wannabe1987 http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-burgl​ary-burglars-steal-everything-while-family-​is-away-from-home-20120126,0,1271861.story  o.O
05:46 BotSteve Title: Burglary: Burglars Steal Everything While Family is Away from Home - FOX 17
05:49 * egrsteve went to look at macbook prices and found the apple store down being updated
05:49 wannabe1987 awwww
05:49 wannabe1987 you should go to the one at woodland then :P  cept its closed this time of night
05:50 egrsteve I will probably buy there, but it's nice to spec it online
05:50 wannabe1987 true
05:50 wannabe1987 http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho​tos-ak-snc7/404509_2464292577491_15​57544310_1748900_2037933283_n.jpg  this is an odd photo.  druid, did you see this?
05:51 lwq1996 druid and me are commenting on it with paul :P
05:51 wannabe1987 i see that now :P
05:54 lwq1996 steve why type of macbook you getting?
05:57 wannabe1987 lol @ kidwell
05:58 LemLap not odd, just old
05:58 Druidic_Sniper I am not oped
05:58 LemLap amusingly enough, kidwell looks older in that pic than he does now
05:58 wannabe1987 lol
05:58 wannabe1987 hi lem!
05:58 Druidic_Sniper Lost weight and lost hair
05:59 wannabe1987 damn, ynos and batman will make me choke :P
05:59 Druidic_Sniper How so
05:59 wannabe1987 new "cb"
06:00 wannabe1987 aka "batmans wild adventure"
06:00 LemLap lo wannabe1987
06:00 wannabe1987 how are you ?
06:00 LemLap still bitching about my office being dlooded
06:00 LemLap flooded*
06:00 wannabe1987 why is it flooded?
06:00 wannabe1987 in your house?
06:00 LemLap considering dragging my PC upstairs and setting it up on the dining room table
06:00 LemLap yeah wannabe1987
06:01 LemLap it's flooded because there is water coming up through the floor
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06:01 wannabe1987 did a pipe break?  or has it been raining forever there?
06:01 wannabe1987 wb lwq1996 :D
06:01 LemLap the floor of my office is about 3 feet below ground level, and it looks like the water proofing has died
06:01 wannabe1987 i was going to miss you
06:01 lwq1996 hit the x button
06:01 LemLap raining hardcore here wannabe1987
06:01 wannabe1987 ahhhh
06:01 LemLap has been most of the week
06:02 wannabe1987 :(
06:02 LemLap we took 1000 litres of water out of one of the rainwater tanks at the hackerspace on wednesday morning wannabe, it was overflowing by thursday
06:02 wannabe1987 o.O
06:03 lwq1996 druidic you still alive?
06:03 LemLap .c 1000L to gallon
06:03 BotSteve 264.172052 US gallons
06:05 lwq1996 hey lemming what is your security cam url again?
06:05 lwq1996 someone put a link in here once to their hackerspace security cam
06:05 wannabe1987 hsbne.???
06:05 lwq1996 it was a ptz
06:05 wannabe1987 i'm not sure....
06:05 LemLap http://space.hsbne.org:52169/sample/lvafull.html
06:05 BotSteve Title: LiveApplet (Medium)
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06:06 wannabe1987 i got the hsbne part done!
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06:06 lwq1996 WHY AM I CLICKING BUTTONS
06:06 wannabe1987 i don't know
06:06 wannabe1987 keep your fingers on the keys...
06:06 wannabe1987 stay away from the mouse :D
06:07 lwq1996 its a netbook impossible
06:07 lwq1996 and lemlap can you post that link again
06:07 wannabe1987 http://space.hsbne.org:52169/sample/lvafull.html
06:07 lwq1996 i couldnt click it before i closed
06:07 BotSteve Title: LiveApplet (Medium)
06:09 lwq1996 god damn i got to update my plugins
06:23 lwq1996 do you know druidic reads!?!?!?!!?!
06:24 Druidic_Rifleman Boy i am going to Bottle rocket your ass to hell
06:24 Druidic_Rifleman Make likw a 50 shot bottle rocket bazzoka of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!
06:24 wannabe1987 um of course he does
06:25 lwq1996 yell ive learend that on somethings you actually need to put www. or you go to the wrong page
06:29 wannabe1987 anyone know who this is? http://i.imgur.com/P83UL.gif  its cute, but so is the guy o.O
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06:30 wannabe1987 oh noes.  the europeans are waking up!
06:30 wannabe1987 hi Electricguy
06:30 Electricguy hi hi wannabe :)
06:31 * wannabe1987 works 4 hours tomorrow from 10a-2p
06:31 lwq1996 wannabe has a crush
06:31 wannabe1987 what?  nope
06:31 wannabe1987 not hm
06:31 wannabe1987 sorry
06:31 lwq1996 the guy in the link :P
06:31 wannabe1987 i can say guys are cute w/o it eing a crush
06:31 wannabe1987 :P
06:31 lwq1996 lol
06:32 lwq1996 hey, hes kissing his pussy :P
06:32 lwq1996 i should go to bed
06:33 wannabe1987 :smooch: :P
06:33 wannabe1987 night lee
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06:33 * lwq1996 blinks
06:34 * lwq1996 is still stunned and still blinking
06:34 wannabe1987 i wasn't smooching you
06:34 wannabe1987 sheesh
06:34 wannabe1987 i was behind....
06:34 lwq1996 lol
06:36 wannabe1987 sleep good lee
06:36 Electricguy gtg! see you all later :)
06:36 wannabe1987 bye
06:37 lwq1996 he called us shit lords
06:37 wannabe1987 yep
06:38 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell electricguy that calling us shitlords (see quit message) isn't nice
06:38 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when electricguy is around.
06:38 wannabe1987 :P
06:38 * wannabe1987 hugs the sleeping bear
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07:49 angy morning
07:50 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/well.jpg/1327650565
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08:46 dr_jkl what
08:46 dr_jkl who hilighted me
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09:04 LemLap .t tgg
09:04 BotSteve Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:04:54 TGG
09:05 LemLap .t vancouver
09:05 BotSteve LemLap: Sorry, I don't know about the 'vancouver' timezone.
09:05 LemLap bah
09:05 LemLap .t pacific
09:05 BotSteve LemLap: Sorry, I don't know about the 'pacific' timezone.
09:05 LemLap .t est
09:05 BotSteve Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:05:29 EST
09:10 Experimentonomen guten morgen peepz
09:10 angy morgen experimentonomonomonomonomonomonomen
09:19 LemLap http://pics.nase-bohren.de/​TimonPumbaa.jpg/1327655920
09:23 einball haha, cptns blog:D
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09:26 einball good morning btw
09:26 angy morgen
09:28 Experimentonomen guten morgen herr einball
09:29 * Experimentonomen startes the morgen w some trance
09:32 einball dito :D
09:34 einball cocaine has been delivered to UN headquarter :D
09:35 einball k
09:48 Coderjoe .t pst
09:48 BotSteve Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:48:01 PST
09:48 Coderjoe .t pdt
09:48 BotSteve Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:48:05 PDT
09:48 Coderjoe i wonder
09:48 Coderjoe .t America/Detroit
09:48 BotSteve Fri Jan 27 04:48:45 EST 2012
09:49 Coderjoe .t America/Seattle
09:49 BotSteve Coderjoe: Sorry, I don't know about the 'America/Seattle' timezone.
09:49 Coderjoe :-\
09:50 * Experimentonomen things abt running to lidl to get some packets of their american cookies
10:11 n1mjf Good morning tgg
10:13 Thermoelectric Morning n1mjf
10:13 Experimentonomen g'day n1mjf
10:14 n1mjf hopefully I get my car back from the garage today. :-\
10:15 Experimentonomen hm
10:15 Experimentonomen did u get drunk and had to walk home ? :P
10:15 n1mjf it went in for a 3 hour job....3 days ago
10:16 n1mjf It was supposed to have both front upper ball joints and front wheel bearings replaced. They couldn't get the right control arms, took the pars store 2 tries on that
10:16 n1mjf and now we had to order shocks
10:17 n1mjf 178,000 miles on all the old parts though so I cant complain too much
10:19 n1mjf I don't, well cannot drink, I'm hypoglycemic.
10:19 Experimentonomen well ur not really missing out on anythin, other than good tasting beer
10:20 n1mjf I will make one exception on the drinking. If there is a bottle of mead around, I will drink it
10:21 n1mjf mmmmm. mulled mead.
10:21 Experimentonomen i only do cheap beer
10:22 n1mjf ever try mead?
10:22 Experimentonomen dunno wut that even is
10:23 n1mjf It's the oldest form of alcohol known to history. (so i've been told)
10:23 n1mjf It's like a wine but made from 100% honey
10:23 Experimentonomen hm
10:24 n1mjf cheap but VERY hard to find. I can get it here around the holidays at one place and it's about $12 a bottle
10:24 angy depend a lot when you search it
10:24 angy around where I grew up, very very easy to find nearly everywhere
10:25 n1mjf I don't ever see it in the summertime here
10:26 n1mjf It's good hot in the winter but hot changes the taste completely. Almost like hot apple cider when hot.
10:26 n1mjf It's good for cooking with as well
10:28 n1mjf Hmm. Either of you use solid state drives?
10:36 Experimentonomen n1mjf, so its like the mulled wine commonly consumed during christmas ?
10:36 n1mjf yes
10:38 Experimentonomen oki
10:47 * CaptainNiobe is bored
10:50 * einball too
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11:06 * Experimentonomen gives CaptainNiobe and einball a diy kit to assamble
11:06 CaptainNiobe i'm getting shit off at my computer atm :-\ windows is a dick.
11:07 Experimentonomen winblows ;)
11:07 CaptainNiobe i just had to stop my security center just to stop windows bugging me to restart the machine after an update.
11:08 Experimentonomen i have auto updates turned off
11:08 CaptainNiobe i let it notify me, but don't allow it to auto-update or auto-restart.
11:09 Experimentonomen and yesterday something was goin on w my lappy cuz the power supply was literally burning hot wheres its usually luke warm
11:10 CaptainNiobe but i updated and it was telling me - evry 5 fucking minutes - that windows was almost updated but needed a reboot to finish. so, i found the security center in cp > admin tools > services and just stopped the service. not disabling it, when i reboot it can come back up then. until then, i donb't want to be bugged.
11:11 CaptainNiobe see, i can't run mbam currently, no idea why, uninstalled, downloaded a fresh copy and reinstalled and it still gets an error on launch. that's why i updated, thought it might be something in a windows update causing it. yet to reboot to test though
11:11 Experimentonomen i will never auto update ever again, last time i had an auto update, puter shut off and wouldent restart for several tries which had me think a vicious virus or a total and fatal dhh crash
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11:15 CaptainNiobe i think when i got my first computer i let it update itself (hey, i was literally brand new to computing, i didn't know), but not since then... something about the machine rebooting itself without warning while i have unsaved work open, hmm, not good... derp! :P
11:25 roadran422|zZz Morning!
11:26 LemLap yeah, windows ability to do that shits me
11:26 LemLap and it's a pita to turn off in windows7 unless you have enterprise or ultimate
11:27 roadran422 To turn what off?
11:27 CaptainNiobe i'm not upgrading then... lol... xp is a pita, but at least i know how to stop it mostt the time
11:28 einball That's why one should deactivate AUTOMATIC updates and do them manually or in the night
11:28 CaptainNiobe they are disabled, einball, i only allow xp to notify me.
11:28 roadran422 That's what I usually do... I manually install updates
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11:31 roadran422 Dumb question.... How the heck do you get a computre infected?
11:31 CaptainNiobe by going to suspect websites... but downloading/running suspect programs...
11:33 roadran422 It's funny. I am usually never infected, but somehow most of my relatives get infected...
11:33 roadran422 That and the fact that I am a bit bored...
11:33 LemLap windows 7 is a thousand times better than xp CaptainNiobe
11:34 CaptainNiobe yet it's harder to turn shit off, LemLap? lol... nty...
11:34 LemLap CaptainNiobe, a thousand other things are better though
11:35 roadran422 The UI for windows 7... But I sorta like XP
11:35 LemLap letting 1 bad thing stop you from a thousand other good things is kinda silly
11:36 CaptainNiobe LemLap: your lappy got 7 on it?
11:37 roadran422 What king of lappy do you have CaptainNiobe
11:37 LemLap yeah CaptainNiobe, and my main pc, and my file server
11:38 roadran422 XP is something widely still used because it's a low profile operating system, it doesn't need much hardware power to run..
11:38 LemLap bull fucking shit
11:38 roadran422 I have 1 computer running xp now.
11:38 LemLap XP is quite hardware heavy
11:38 roadran422 You try running windows 7 on 512mb of ram.
11:38 CaptainNiobe i don't have decently usable lappys, roadran422 :-\
11:38 CaptainNiobe ok, LemLap, i'll come down to the space on tues (or earlier? tues. gets busy sometimes lol), and you can show me around 7 and try to convince meh :P
11:38 roadran422 CaptainNiobe: O ok
11:39 LemLap roadran422, xp isn't all that usable on 512mb ram either
11:39 roadran422 You can atleast do some decent stuff, basic internet surfing.
11:39 roadran422 Windows 7 you can't do shit. let alone even install anythin
11:39 CaptainNiobe lol... LemLap, i rean xp home on 512mb ram on the old 240... a little slow, but it was fine lol
11:39 roadran422 :P ^
11:39 roadran422 *:) ^
11:39 CaptainNiobe try running it on 256mb ram (my dell laptop :P)
11:40 roadran422 Haha
11:46 Experimentonomen *rärrp*
11:47 roadran422 ?
11:47 Experimentonomen roadnoob422!! :P:P:P:P
11:48 roadran422 :P
11:48 Experimentonomen noobran422! :P
11:48 Experimentonwome :)
11:48 Experimentonwome xD
11:48 roadran422 :P
11:49 Experimentonomen NOOBnoob422! :P
11:49 roadran422 :P
11:49 roadran422 *Boobnoob422
11:51 roadran422 Experimentonomen: Anything new?
11:53 Experimentonomen no
11:53 Experimentonomen just listenin to trance
11:53 roadran422 ...
11:54 roadran422 Only thing I know that has that word in it is, "N-Trance Crash Bandicoot)
11:54 roadran422 xP ^
11:54 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/user/Tr​anceElevation?blend=3&ob=0
11:54 BotSteve Title: TranceElevation's Channel - YouTube
11:55 roadran422 Experimentonomen: Move back to japan.
11:55 roadran422 "Accadia - Into The Dawn (Accadia Ambient Mix)"
11:55 roadran422 Sounds like some freaky ass techno anime japanese shit...... (No offense)
11:59 Experimentonomen so roadran422 is one of them rapsters that only listen to hiphop of one of them that only listen to shitty hard rock thats just random screaming and slaughtering of electric guitars
11:59 roadran422 Nope.
11:59 roadran422 Classical.
11:59 roadran422 I hate taht shit xD
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12:00 Experimentonomen classical music is best enjoyed on vinyl ;)
12:00 roadran422 HAha
12:00 roadran422 Some classical I like some I don't...
12:00 roadran422 Idk
12:01 lwq1996 you know my dad can go fuck himself, it doesnt make you a bad ass to tell your kid your going to punch them, just a bad parent
12:01 roadran422 ...
12:02 n1mjf lwq1996 ha. that's one of the nicer things my father says to me regularly.
12:02 Experimentonomen i like the kinda classical music that is used in like movie themes
12:02 roadran422 Ya... ^
12:03 Experimentonomen especially that that have those huge like 4 meter diameter drums that chakes the whole building
12:03 Experimentonomen shakes*
12:04 roadran422 gtg scl...
12:04 Experimentonomen good
12:04 Experimentonomen now we dont have to worry about him for a while
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12:05 lwq1996 n1mjf: how old are you?
12:05 n1mjf 30
12:05 lwq1996 ya im 15
12:05 n1mjf Well, for some things never change.
12:06 Experimentonomen lwq1996, u know parents threat their kids like they got treated back when they were kids themselves
12:06 lwq1996 no you can do stuff about it i cant
12:06 n1mjf My unemployed father claims I'm a complete failure, although I hold a nice position at one of the lagest companies.
12:07 Experimentonomen n1mjf, he expected u to become a doctor or dentist or something ?
12:07 lwq1996 what company would that be?
12:07 n1mjf Idk. Not to be bragging but I work for Dell.
12:08 n1mjf He's quit his last few jobs after working them for anywhere from 1 day to 3 months
12:08 lwq1996 lol, what do you work as? a technician
12:08 lwq1996 i would call him a fail
12:08 n1mjf Sr. IS Analyst
12:09 n1mjf He is a long-haul truck driver
12:09 lwq1996 i got to get around and go to school
12:09 lwq1996 later
12:09 n1mjf lwq1996 hang in there man.
12:10 Experimentonomen i kinda wanna drive a long-haul truck atleast a few kilometers before i die
12:10 Experimentonomen and a large heavy american car with a rumbling gas guzzling V8
12:10 n1mjf I've been there
12:11 n1mjf My brother and I built a 68 mustang coupe
12:12 n1mjf fun car. I only wished it were a Mach 1 or something
12:13 n1mjf bb in a bit. breakfast time
12:14 Experimentonomen shelby mustang gt500 :P
12:15 n1mjf roadrunner daytona or superbird. ;-)
12:33 Experimentonomen btw real engines dont have either spark plugs nor glow plugs :P
12:35 Thermoelectric Electric motors!
12:36 Experimentonomen direct injected diesel FTW :P
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12:37 Thermoelectric Eww, crappily inefficient internal combustion engines.
12:38 Experimentonomen electric cars will never happen, the range is just nowhere near good enuf to be a viable alternative to the ICE
12:39 Thermoelectric On a general inter city daily commute they are more than feasible. I think the Tesla Roadster got almost 500km out of one charge.
12:40 Thermoelectric And we're going to have to change some day, we're not going to have enough petroleum to feed our industry soon.
12:41 Experimentonomen well when the ICE no longer has a fue source its good by air travel
12:41 Experimentonomen good bye*
12:42 Thermoelectric This is true, which is why we should try to preserve our fuel reservoirs better, rather than just wasting it in a gridlocked city, containing thousands of ICE's.
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12:42 Experimentonomen but by then we likely already have high speed rail lines that can take u from sweden to australia in like 10-20 minutes
12:43 CaptainNiobe crashes at that speed means no survivors... :P
12:43 Thermoelectric Hence we can move away from fossil fuels, if those speeds ever happen.
12:44 Thermoelectric And heck, it wouldn't even be that hard to adapt the air transport industry to run on different, artifically produced fuels.
12:49 n1mjf s. korea has electric buses that get power from electromagnet strip in the ground
12:49 n1mjf I always thought that was an interesting design
12:49 * Thermoelectric goes to sleep now
12:51 Experimentonomen nite
12:51 angy night
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13:23 tonsofpcs n1mjf: we all get power from the ground.  It's finding a place to return it to that's hard ;)
13:26 dbshortwave tonsofpcs you said 91.7 correct?
13:42 yNos hello all
13:42 angy morning yNos
13:44 dbshortwave morning AND im out ill bbl
13:44 yNos someone brought in a guinness choco cake this morn.
13:44 yNos it is the perfect mix of fudge and chocolate.
13:44 yNos and milk
13:44 yNos and wow
13:45 angy I'll bring awesome things next time :)
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14:15 wannabe1987 hi Ponko
14:15 tonsofpcs einball, zweiball, dreiball, ....
14:17 yNos Does anyone  here listen to infowars?
14:17 yNos http://www.infowars.com/
14:17 BotSteve Title: Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
14:18 yNos mostly US based...
14:18 Ponko hey wannabe1987
14:19 wannabe1987 "Up and ready for school but not by choice ugh whoever decided we should have school on fridays was a majoe nerd. Thanks albert enstien"  what does einstien have to do with school?
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14:20 yNos I bet Angy is a fan of ACTA.
14:20 yNos ;)
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14:23 angy I have no opinion on that
14:27 yNos no?
14:29 egrsteve hi ynos
14:30 angy I'm against it because it's trendy, but I don't really have on opinion on that one, did not read enough about it
14:30 yNos hey steve
14:30 * egrsteve is sitting in the hallway at GV with my HT on 405
14:30 yNos nice
14:30 angy .cookie egrsteve
14:30 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a kleicha cookie!
14:30 egrsteve nothing yet
14:32 egrsteve still nothing here
14:32 yNos it is around 405, not right on 405
14:32 egrsteve i know
14:33 egrsteve I have been tuning 200k either way of
14:34 egrsteve I am indoors so I may not hear it at all
14:36 * Experimentonomen is getting drunk on 0.7% cider
14:36 wannabe-afk time to go to work
14:36 wannabe-afk bye
14:36 Experimentonomen cya
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14:38 * Experimentonomen wirft eine achtball an/bei einball1
14:38 * angy rolls einball1's router
14:41 egrsteve apperently TGG is getting a CNC plasma table, the computer is toast, but we are geeks so aslong as the plasma and drive systems are good
14:41 egrsteve the lab may have a new toy
14:42 angy I bet that makes Moose super happy
14:42 egrsteve brad wanted to know how to cutout meter holes for panels
14:42 egrsteve do it with plasma
14:42 tonsofpcs heh
14:42 tonsofpcs that's cheating!
14:42 tonsofpcs we used to put four holes and use a band and/or circular saw!
14:43 egrsteve a jig saw or cutting wheel works too
14:43 Experimentonomen the prollem may be finding a control program that supports the servo/stepper drivers in that plasma
14:44 egrsteve or replace the drivers as well just keeping the motors
14:44 tonsofpcs s/prollem/solution/ and s/finding/writing from scratch/
14:44 Experimentonomen unless its the step/dir input type drivers
14:44 Experimentonomen egrsteve, that works too
14:44 egrsteve if it's step/dir life would be really easy
14:45 Ponko1 what a great start to the day :) but when the internet cuts out it's not
14:45 egrsteve apparently it's old so who knows
14:45 JA12 http://linuxcnc.org/
14:45 BotSteve Title: LinuxCNC.org
14:45 Experimentonomen commercial stuff tend to be some obscure interface though with half the drive logics in software rather than the step/dir stuff in hardware
14:46 Experimentonomen like running  a stepper motor off the printer port with just 4 fets for current capability
14:46 tonsofpcs well, it's coming with the computer it's just a dead computer, right?
14:46 egrsteve that I do not know
14:46 egrsteve chris posted it on facebook
14:46 tonsofpcs if so, step 1 would be "document EVERYTHING"; step 2 would be "try to recover the computer"
14:46 egrsteve we will find out when it arrives I suppose
14:47 Experimentonomen for all we know it might be just the bare xyx portal assembly with no electronics
14:47 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: or it could be everything with a bad PSU in a PC/XT that drives the thing...
14:48 yNos worst case we get some gecko drives and make it work.
14:48 Experimentonomen tonsofpcs, i'd imagine thy'd pull the expensive bits off it first like the plasma psu and the servo/stepper drives for spares to other machines
14:49 Ponko tonsofpcs: why did i get a quote from Back to the Future 3 when you said step 1
14:49 egrsteve who knows, I would love it to have a plasma PSU and head
14:49 Experimentonomen egrsteve, we'll find out soon enough
14:49 Ponko quote "take this camera i wanna document EVERYTHING"
14:49 tonsofpcs Ponko: no clue.  I would expect "Step 1" to go to south park...
14:49 Ponko lol maybe
14:50 Ponko but i do believe i wore the tape out lol
14:50 * Experimentonomen listens to some instant remedy
14:55 yNos egrsteve: http://www.geckodrive.com/ as far as stepper/pc interfaces, this was cheaper than making a similar controller..
14:55 BotSteve Title: Step Motor Controls, Stepper Motor Controls, Servo, Stepper Drives
14:56 egrsteve ok
14:56 egrsteve ttyl
14:56 egrsteve class time
14:57 Experimentonomen class ? how old is egrsteve ?
14:58 angy 189
14:59 Experimentonomen i thought he was like around 30
15:02 astro73|alice i didn't think he was quite that old, i figured he was closer to mid twenties
15:03 astro73|alice and even if he was 30, he can still have class
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15:06 yNos i think he is early-mid 20s
15:06 angy I know he likes cookies
15:07 JA12 teachers don't have classes?
15:07 angy no, they have morons students (personal view)
15:08 astro73|alice really? because sometimes it seems like the students are intelligent and the professors are morons
15:08 angy depend a lot on what you are teaching, and what level is that teaching appening
15:09 astro73|alice well, I've never had to explain to a student what minimizing is
15:09 astro73|alice or web page vs web browser
15:09 angy but matrix function derivation, yes
15:10 astro73|alice actually, never had to explain that either
15:10 angy :)
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15:17 dbshortwave >.>
15:17 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: well, I wouldn't expect you would have to explain that if you teach english :-p
15:18 tonsofpcs it's raining a lot here....
15:18 tonsofpcs .tfw 07410
15:18 BotSteve 46 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT AND WET IN Fair Lawn, NJ!  'Listen, weather. We need to have a talk.'
15:18 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: yes, 91.7
15:18 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: i don't do that, either
15:18 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: right, just sayin'.  Something about judging a fish based upon how it climbs....
15:19 dbshortwave ill check on my way home, i had a phonecall this morning but i checked when i was in chittenango an all i got was static
15:19 astro73|alice really? is it not fair to judge a person by how willing and able they are to learn?
15:20 yNos .w tgg
15:20 BotSteve "Teacher Guardian Group at St. Joseph High School, Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tgg
15:20 yNos .tfw tgg
15:20 BotSteve 36 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'GREAT! If you're a penguin.'
15:21 tonsofpcs someone has to fix that, yNos.  (the wiki)
15:21 yNos why fix it?
15:21 yNos oh
15:21 yNos tgg
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15:21 dbshortwave .tfw 13037
15:21 BotSteve 41 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT AND WET IN Chittenango, NY!  'Listen, weather. We need to have a talk.'
15:21 tonsofpcs it's a disambig page and the geek group isn't on it
15:22 dbshortwave nice
15:22 MoxieMike .tfw 04101
15:22 BotSteve 39 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND WET IN Portland, ME!  'Where's a Tauntaun when you need one?'
15:22 tonsofpcs also, BatSteve-Away: BUG REPORT: .w shoulld return something other than the first option on a disambig page... perhaps "Disambiguation: [url]  or be clearer"
15:22 Seroster http://www.tradera.com/kondensator-2200u​f-400v-inkl-fot-auktion_340932_147155933  < Isnt that a thumpercap?
15:22 tonsofpcs .tfw 13850
15:22 BotSteve Title: Kondensator 2200uF 400V inkl fot på Tradera. Kondensatorer |
15:22 BotSteve 49 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Vestal, NY!  'Better than a sharp stick in the eye.'
15:22 tonsofpcs .tfw 14850
15:22 BotSteve 49 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Ithaca, NY!  'At least you aren't living in a small town in Alaska'
15:22 dbshortwave .tfw 13346
15:22 BotSteve THE INTERNET IS FUCKING BROKEN. Please try again later.
15:23 dbshortwave WHAT DID YOU DO!
15:24 Experimentonomen no sero, thats a DC bus smoothing cap for stuff like large VFD's and other industrial stuff
15:24 MoxieMike hahaha
15:24 * angy fondles Seroster
15:24 Seroster Penis.
15:25 dbshortwave hey take that to
15:25 dbshortwave #TGG:NSFW
15:25 Experimentonomen for a thumber u should really use pulse discharge rated caps, u can use regular lytics but they wont last as long
15:28 yNos http://www.instructables.com/id/Unicorn-Poop/
15:28 BotSteve Title: Unicorn Poop!
15:28 yNos lolololol
15:29 * Experimentonomen looks @ yNos
15:29 Seroster Experimentonomen, Wasnt even trying to. Looking for hv caps
15:30 Seroster Hey, 3kv 47PIKOfarad
15:30 Seroster 10 of them, 50cents each '-'
15:42 astro73|alice i kinda like this whole "can't do anything productive; techs are upgrading my computer"
15:42 Experimentonomen hm
15:47 Ponko annnnnnnnnnnd relax
15:47 * Experimentonomen eats more cookies
15:48 astro73|alice .cookie
15:48 BotSteve Here you go, astro73|alice, I baked you a Moravian spice cookie!
15:48 astro73|alice ...
15:48 astro73|alice .cookie
15:48 BotSteve Here you go, astro73|alice, I baked you a sugar cookie!
15:48 astro73|alice better
15:48 * CaptainNiobe doesn't feel like eating after 1.5 litres of milk
15:48 Experimentonomen ew
15:48 BitViper CaptainNiobe : nooob !
15:49 CaptainNiobe what can i say - i love my milk! :D
15:49 BitViper <--- 1 us gallon + per day
15:49 Experimentonomen <-- never drinks milk
15:49 CaptainNiobe <-- rarely buys milk so goes nuts when she does
15:50 BitViper I get "looks" at the store when I buy milk 4 at a time and they know its just for me. =)
15:50 LemLap <--- drinks on average 1 litre a day
15:50 LemLap sometimes a lot more
15:50 Experimentonomen i cannot drink milk, the taste is just eww
15:51 astro73|alice ...
15:51 astro73|alice i like milk, but not that much
15:51 BitViper Hah, I use the fast food 32oz cups for milk, theyre big enough that I dont empty them between the refridgerator and my desk
15:52 CaptainNiobe LMFAO!!!
15:52 CaptainNiobe the man loves his milk! :D
15:52 Experimentonomen i wanna see BitViper shotgun a packet of milk :P
15:52 astro73|alice ...
15:52 astro73|alice that's a lot of milk
15:53 Experimentonomen u know like u do with a cola can, u stab a hole and swallow it all in one gulp
15:53 BitViper i cant do that Experimentonomen
15:53 BitViper astro73 : about 60% of my food budget goes for milk O_o
15:53 Experimentonomen my dad used to drink directly from the packet rather than using a glass
15:54 astro73|alice like i said
15:54 BitViper Experimentonomen : i can beat that, my mom and uncles used to drink directly from the COW
15:55 CaptainNiobe from the teat? O.O
15:55 Experimentonomen abour 500% of my food budget goes to pizza or these thai chicken nukebox meals
15:55 BitViper well not quite that directly CaptainNiobe ... squeeze -> airborne -> mouth
15:56 Experimentonomen yuck
15:56 CaptainNiobe :D
15:56 CaptainNiobe i got "attacked" like that by a farm owner once... warm white rain... :P
15:56 Experimentonomen atleast pasturize it first to kill the germs and bacteria
15:56 BitViper lol CaptainNiobe
15:56 * angy stops eatin since 1884
15:57 BitViper imo the only thing useful from fresh milk is let the cream separate and make fresh whip cream, THAT is good
15:57 Experimentonomen handcrank cream eparator FTW
15:58 yNos bah, store bought milk in the US sucks..
15:58 angy I found a few time ice shards in milk
15:58 yNos i grew up drinking it right from the cow.. well.. chilled.
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15:58 angy injektion!
15:58 yNos store bought milk tastes like powdered milk imho
15:58 BitViper farm boy eh yNos ?
15:59 yNos yupyup
15:59 * Experimentonomen kiunda wants to see how a geek lives *hands yNos a camera*
16:00 CaptainNiobe Experimentonomen: i has a better idea. ynos, next time you're at the lab, steal chris's camera for a blog about yNos! :P
16:00 yNos nope
16:00 * yNos doesnt like camera
16:00 yNos the feeling is mutaul.
16:01 BitViper too bad i didnt bring my camera tuesday =|
16:01 CaptainNiobe yNos, you're on camera often enough in the blogs, and appear comfy with it... :D
16:01 injektion ANGY!
16:01 yNos it is not by choice..
16:02 yNos i am adaptive.. if someone shoves one in my face, i play along..
16:02 yNos **shoves a camera...
16:02 * angy hugs injektion
16:03 * injektion hugs angy back
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16:05 angy hello islander
16:06 tlockley hello angy
16:07 dbshortwave http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchToo​ls/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1554252&amp;CatId=4936  machine i want to get ..
16:07 BotSteve Title: Toshiba Portege M700 Tablet PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz, 4GB DDR2, 120GB HDD, DVDRW, Windows 7 Professional (Off-Lease) at TigerDirect.com
16:07 tlockley choice
16:08 tlockley i love my tablet pc. i just dont really have much of a use for it right now
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16:10 injektion I <3 my iPad
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16:13 tlockley the ipad is cool, but it doesent have anywhere near the connectivity or software that i need
16:13 injektion I don't need a device with a full OS
16:14 tlockley cool
16:14 tlockley what do you do with it?
16:16 injektion I can do almost everything that I can do with a desktop
16:16 injektion or a laptop
16:16 angy there is now vim on the ipad :)
16:17 astro73|alice ...
16:17 astro73|alice i'm not sure how i feel about that
16:17 injektion I can edit and create word, excel, powerpoint documents. I can SSH, etc.
16:18 JA12 injektion: I think tlockley asked what you do with it, not what you can do with it
16:18 injektion JA12: I do just that :P
16:18 tlockley cool
16:19 astro73|alice well, it is turing complete. it can do anything
16:19 * yNos hates it when people shoulder surf, then start asking me if i am working in dos.
16:19 astro73|alice oh god
16:19 JA12 yNos =)
16:19 yNos because if it is a black screen with text, it must be dos.
16:20 astro73|alice if anyone asked me if i was working in dos, i would probably smack them
16:20 JA12 yNos: I've heard that too
16:20 injektion When people do that to me I throw SGI's massive TCP/IP documentation books at them
16:21 yNos or the other one "How many dos windows do you need open at once?"
16:22 yNos ALL OF THEM
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16:30 angy win 3
16:31 injektion An HP-UX machine is on my to buy list
16:32 JA12 yNos: make a noose out of cat5 and the next time someone asks that question, engage xkcd black hat character mode
16:32 astro73|alice black hat mode. nice.
16:32 injektion Just build one of these http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/
16:32 BotSteve Title: The Etherkiller
16:36 dbshortwave o.o
16:40 tonsofpcs mmm, bagels
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16:40 LeePod hi
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16:41 tonsofpcs JA12: I have the "backslash" comic prined at my desk... it's magnet'd to the cube flip-up storage thing that's been flipped up for about 8 months.  I flipped it down last week and on my way home, we were running a spot with "backslash" said in a  URL *cringe*
16:41 Electricguy ok, the computer case is swapped! :D
16:41 BotSteve electricguy: I have the following messages for you:
16:41 BotSteve At 06:38Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell electricguy that calling us shitlords (see quit message) isn't nice
16:42 Electricguy lol
16:42 Experimentonomen busy day at work today ?
16:42 * Experimentonomen listens to hardstyle on low volume
16:42 Electricguy nah swapped to my new computer case. took a couple of hours
16:43 tonsofpcs http://xkcd.com/727/
16:43 BotSteve Title: xkcd: Trade Expert
16:44 Electricguy the airflow in this case is much better. got 37c CPU temp instead of 43 now
16:44 dbshortwave LOL
16:45 tonsofpcs 6 degree drop just by changing cases?  more fans or just better placed?
16:45 Electricguy better placed
16:45 Electricguy and better mechanical design
16:45 Electricguy this new one is a In Win BAC666
16:46 Electricguy the old one was a Fractal Design R1
16:46 Experimentonomen sata cables also allow better cooling as compared to the broadband ide ones ;)
16:46 Electricguy i'm uploading some pics of the case swap
16:46 astro73|alice but there's no cable origami anymore
16:48 Electricguy in my machine there is :P
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16:48 Electricguy one for the CD drive and one for the Audigy drive
16:48 tonsofpcs they sell 'fold-over' cSATA cables, don't they?
16:48 tonsofpcs which reminds me, I need to go visit MicroCenter... crap, what kind of RAM does my dell take?!?! *looks it up*
16:50 dbshortwave http://xkcd.com/1004/
16:50 BotSteve Title: xkcd: Batman
16:51 dbshortwave lol
16:51 Druidic_Rifleman Morning geeks
16:52 MoxieMike should have been... "Title: xkcd: A Man Dressed Like a Bat"
16:52 tonsofpcs dbshortwave: we have a Steve dressed like a Bat in here.
16:52 dbshortwave lol
16:52 tonsofpcs did you read the text, MoxieMike ?
16:53 dbshortwave no we kill a man named bruce dressed as a bat not a steve
16:53 injektion I need to go to mictocenter because I need a PS/2 to AT adapter
16:55 angy .cookie injektion
16:55 BotSteve Here you go, injektion, I baked you a double chocolate chip cookie!
16:56 tonsofpcs injektion: you have microcenter there?
16:56 injektion We have 2
16:57 injektion 2 microcenters and 3 Fry's
16:57 tonsofpcs awesome
16:57 tonsofpcs *movess to GA*
16:58 injektion GA isn't that great
16:58 tonsofpcs dude, I live in Binghamton, NY.  We don't have anything.
16:58 * tonsofpcs is in NJ right now, going to Microcenter here
16:59 Electricguy ok, the pics of the case swap http://imgur.com/a/kEU5q
16:59 injektion I think GA has 4 Apple stores as well
16:59 BotSteve Title: EG's new computer case - Imgur
17:00 tonsofpcs our nearest apple store is > 1 hour away.  Although word on the street is apple wants to put them inside target stores and we have one of those!
17:00 astro73|alice Electricguy: that new case is shiny
17:00 tonsofpcs cute.  Huge freakin heatsink -- is that a P2 inside there? :-p
17:01 Electricguy it's pudry :P
17:01 Electricguy lol :P
17:01 angy in 20 minutes, weekend!
17:01 injektion I love Apple's retail experience
17:01 Electricguy nah.. XD a AMD Athlon 64 X2 black edition
17:01 injektion When I build my next machine I am going to use this case http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads​/2009/12/Level10-thermaltake-bmw-design.jpg
17:02 tonsofpcs oh, right, you said it ran under 70C :-p
17:02 angy you bmw fanboy
17:02 injektion angy: I love the design
17:02 tonsofpcs A P2 would have that large of a heatsink and still run 70-80 C
17:02 tonsofpcs [ok, not quite, but still...]
17:02 Experimentonomen thats one brutal looking case!!
17:02 astro73|alice injektion: .... what?
17:02 injektion Pininfarina needs to make a PC case
17:03 injektion Or some designer with a sense of taste
17:03 tonsofpcs ugh... there's two versions of the Inspiron 530... now to figure out which one I have
17:03 angy let Moose design you a case
17:05 tonsofpcs apparently one of them tops out at 4GB, one can take 8GB... seeing as I already have 4, I hope mine can take 8!
17:05 tonsofpcs if not, I'll be buying a mobo and processor and RAM and HDD...
17:06 injektion I think the design of the Mac Pro case is flawless inside and out
17:07 tonsofpcs injektion: eh, the optical media drive swapping is kinda a PITA
17:07 tonsofpcs due to the way that SATA+power cable has to route
17:07 astro73|alice injektion: nothing is flawless.
17:07 tonsofpcs (note: I swapped an optical media drive in one two weeks ago)
17:08 injektion astro73|alice: It's flawless enough for me
17:09 tonsofpcs grrr, can't find service tag from order... let's hope windows knows what it is!
17:09 injektion tonsofpcs: I have the first generation one so it's IDE optical drives for me
17:10 angy and time for me to go, see ya!
17:10 tonsofpcs injektion: that's an entirely different case iirc
17:10 tonsofpcs is your PSU+mobo in the bottom third?
17:10 injektion no
17:11 injektion Are you sure that is a Mac Pro or a PowerMac
17:13 tonsofpcs It's a 2011 Mac Pro.
17:13 injektion My PSU is at the top
17:14 tonsofpcs I've got a G4 PowerMac, a G3 PowerMac, a G2 (?) powermac, a dual G5 Macpro, 3x "Intel Mac" [core duo?] Mac Pros and a 2011 Mac Pro [whatever that chip is]
17:14 injektion http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyl​e/news/apple/macpro_inside_c.jpg
17:15 tonsofpcs the 2011 mac pro is the one I was in two weeks ago.  interesting case design
17:15 tonsofpcs yea, looks like they may have changed it a bit.  Not sure, no staring at one now ofc.
17:15 injektion They probably did
17:16 tlockley tonsofpcs: all the mac pros had xeons IIRC
17:17 tonsofpcs tlockley: idk, this one was orderd Jan 17 2011
17:17 tonsofpcs i wish web browsers had a 'slow display' flag that they could pass in the GET request so that websites didn't try showing fancy graphics crap to me when i'm vnc'd across a few states...
17:17 tlockley yah, its got xeons
17:17 astro73|alice injektion: that's pretty clean, but looks like a pain to service
17:17 injektion It's not too bad
17:18 tonsofpcs the other 3 are probably 4 years old
17:18 injektion I can easily take it apart in 2 minutes :P
17:18 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: all of those modules just slide out
17:18 tonsofpcs the issue is the cables between them
17:19 astro73|alice it's still an extra step, though
17:19 injektion I hate opening a PC and seeing cables everywhere
17:19 tonsofpcs injektion: that's fine.  Make a backplane system, don't just hide cables with modules.
17:20 astro73|alice there's something between "rats nest" and "put three wrappings between the user and the hardware
17:20 tonsofpcs grr @ dell's website
17:21 injektion I'd in fact hide cables with modules just to troll people :D
17:21 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: when dealing with racks full of equipment, we call that "dressing"
17:21 tonsofpcs today's woot would be so much better if it weren't webos
17:21 tonsofpcs silly HP and arbitrary access restrictions
17:21 astro73|alice let me guess, there's as many opinions on the matter as there are IT professionals?
17:22 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: eh, not really.  I mean, yea, everyone has a different style, but basically you bundle cables to sides and tie them every so often so that it looks like one big cabe harness instead of a bunch of random point-to-point and dangling wirres
17:23 astro73|alice ah, ok
17:23 astro73|alice although i'm guessing sanity comes not from how you tie your cables, but how you organize your boxen
17:24 tonsofpcs well, they're interrelated
17:25 tonsofpcs I mean, we have 5RU boxes with over ...192 cables interconnecting.  All of those go to a patch point within the 12 RU above, then out of the rack that they're in.  How the cables are tied away to allow one to maintain that 5U box and the patch panels  above it matters quite a bit :)
17:26 astro73|alice yes, i see
17:27 tonsofpcs (alternating left-side/right-side for each 2U space makes it a lot easier to get into than left-side being run from the left and right-side being run from the right for everything)
17:28 tonsofpcs my 24U portable rack, for the most part, has signal going down one side and power going down the other (while there are many more signal cables than power cords, the power cords are much thicker)
17:29 astro73|alice sounds a bit like an art
17:30 tonsofpcs I mean, there's some places where it's blatently obvious that the best way is "A" but in most places, there's plenty of options.  Many facilities will have a best-practice for what to do
17:30 astro73|alice like i said
17:31 tonsofpcs http://www.coloradonc.com/images/Rack%20dress.jpg is a common way for non-dense connections
17:31 astro73|alice is it more common for all the cat5 in the building to come to one place, or to distribute switching equipment?
17:31 tonsofpcs http://shaunstelecom.com/Doc​uments/yiltuykfydjgfncbv.jpg is some art for you ;)
17:32 tonsofpcs well, ethernet has a maximum length of 100m over cat5, so there's often telecom closets placed strategically thoughout buildings.
17:33 tonsofpcs yNos could probably give you a more in-depth answer to that, of course.  I deal with electrons making video and audio happen more than ethernet
17:34 Ponko ahhh what a good day
17:35 Ponko 12ish mile run and didn't stop once
17:35 Ponko anyway
17:35 tonsofpcs so figure http://images3.cableorganizer.com/pan​duit/cabling-infrastructure-assessmen​t/images/01-rack-cable-management.jpg but in the empty spaces we have cables from the other way and the cables actually have interconnects (not 'permanent' punches) on that side oh and instead of 12 across we're at 26 across... oh and 30" into the rack since it has to be accessed from the front more often than the rear.  Yea, running wires from
17:36 tonsofpcs hmm... any good way from within Win Vista to tell what memory modules I have installed?
17:36 Ponko tonsofpcs: i like that
17:38 tonsofpcs nevermind,, found the packing slip...
17:38 tonsofpcs so I need 4x 2GB DDR2 PC-6400 800MHz 240pin DIMMs
17:44 tonsofpcs @*%@($^* called support and it can only take 4 GB :(
17:44 tonsofpcs time to price new PCs :D
17:44 tonsofpcs but first, 3 hours of cleaning
17:44 tonsofpcs cya all
17:45 Ponko good luck
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17:48 mashpriborintorg hiya
17:49 dbshortwave there is no gentile way of removing this screen on this toshiba
17:49 Ponko is there a Jewish way dbshortwave ;) lol
17:49 dbshortwave lol
17:49 dbshortwave ok ill bite explain
17:50 mashpriborintorg tonsofpcs I received my defective JVC GR-X5 3CCD camcorder. Stuck iris, 200% sure now
17:50 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: nice!
17:50 Ponko i know you meant gentle lol
17:50 tonsofpcs (that's what we were hoping for, right?)
17:50 mashpriborintorg but the device is sooo small, taking in apart will be some olympic challenge
17:50 tonsofpcs oh, right, fixed lens
17:50 tonsofpcs probably plastic break-apart from around the tripod mount screw
17:51 Experimentonomen g'day mash
17:51 tonsofpcs maybe 2 or 3 screws per half below the sticker there
17:51 mashpriborintorg trying to find the service manual for free, seems it is available onto elektrotanya, I'll sign-up there
17:52 mashpriborintorg the tripod is at the very opposite side from the lens assembly...
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17:54 Ponko why do i picture this shirt when i hear or see the word JVC http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/image​s_root/slides/photos/000/835/248/19​23117_display_image.jpg?1302001993
17:54 Ponko and that very Dutch person wearing it
17:55 tonsofpcs manual trick: search for model #'s second half and device description ("X5" "CCD" "Camcorder") with filetype:PDF
17:55 Monkeh Okay, so Sparkfun sell good solder.
17:56 tonsofpcs (sometimes you can search full model # but that doesn't always work -- often PDF manuals will have the first page OCRd but manufacturers love to make the two halves of the model # completely different font sizes which makes only half of it useful)
17:56 tonsofpcs Monkeh: kester?
17:57 Ponko http://whiteopal.files.wordpr​ess.com/2009/06/arse-kit.jpg now what was going through the minds of the people at Adidas when they thought this up
17:57 tonsofpcs also, i totally just fuond a ton off build-engine level design docs :)
17:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, it doesn't even have a brand on it, but it's 63/37, 2% flux, and just works.
17:57 Ponko tonsofpcs: ^ JVC don't look as bad as that do they?
17:57 Ponko JVCs*
17:58 tonsofpcs Ponko: huh
17:58 Ponko look at the link
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17:59 tonsofpcs oh, hey, a glidepoint PS/2!
18:00 tonsofpcs (this but just PS/2: http://www.axiontech.com/produ​ct/images/4/31314/31314_M.jpg  )
18:02 tonsofpcs oh, hey, look, a mini sectional.  121.4 ring a bell, tlockley ?
18:03 tlockley yah
18:03 tonsofpcs "Chart 1" "New york and Boston Area" "For use with the Microsoft Flight Simulator" ;)
18:05 tlockley http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-0​1-sony-rgbw-coding-hdr-movie.html
18:05 BotSteve Title: Sony develops new 'RGBW coding' and 'HDR movie' functions
18:05 tlockley not sure how i feel about the HDR comment
18:05 * dbshortwave sighs
18:05 dbshortwave i hate fistya
18:05 tonsofpcs HDR just means "high dynamic range"
18:05 tonsofpcs technically most DSLRs are HDR compared to traditional video...
18:05 tlockley i know, i do processed HDR with my camera
18:05 * Experimentonomen looks at einball
18:06 tonsofpcs although I see what you mean
18:06 dbshortwave i had to format that one machine lol
18:06 dbshortwave the boss finely said yeah wipe it
18:06 tonsofpcs "They also contain Sony's “HDR (High Dynamic Range) Movie” function which allows brilliant color to be captured even in bright settings. " << is actually COMPRESSED dynamic range, but in theory it is 'higher' dynammic range than uncompressed....
18:07 tlockley interesting
18:07 tonsofpcs tlockley: what camera do you use?
18:07 dbshortwave mmm
18:07 tlockley Nikon D2x and Nikon D50
18:08 tonsofpcs ah
18:08 * tonsofpcs has the EOS Digital Rebel T2i
18:09 tlockley nice
18:09 tonsofpcs no, nice is that I took a chip chart and made a calibrated shooting profile (whatever they call it)
18:09 tonsofpcs :)
18:09 tlockley can i borrow yours?
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18:10 tlockley ive got my screens all calibrated
18:10 tlockley now i just need to do the camera
18:10 tlockley what are your thoughs on the 1080p video feature?
18:11 tonsofpcs it's why I bought the camera.
18:11 tlockley ah
18:12 tlockley i like the idea of beining able to do video with the selection of lenses i already have
18:12 tlockley but i feel that digital still cameras should take digital stills
18:13 tonsofpcs http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonsofpcs​/5305329530/in/set-72157625747734820/ takes great video
18:13 BotSteve Title: Vivitar 75-260 f/4.5 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
18:14 tonsofpcs the cheap kit lenses are horrible for video (too stiff, not the same stiffness/smoothness throughout, etc.)
18:14 tlockley i long ago discarded the kit lense that came with my nikon
18:14 mashpriborintorg here we are tonsofpcs, i've got the service manual... busy mode: ON :p
18:15 tonsofpcs :)
18:15 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: befor you go there...
18:15 tonsofpcs have you tried precussive engineering?
18:15 mashpriborintorg these vintage lenses are awesome and available so cheap
18:15 tlockley ive got a Nikkor 18-200 f/3.5 and a Sigma 70-300 f/3.5
18:15 tonsofpcs *percussive
18:15 tonsofpcs tlockley: 3.5 at both ends?
18:15 mashpriborintorg yeah, but no too hardly
18:15 tonsofpcs (the sigma)
18:15 SparkyProjects I feel that if you pont a DSLR at someone to shoot video, they are more likely to pose as if for a phot, then wonder how long you're going to be :P
18:15 tonsofpcs ok, continue :)
18:16 tlockley no sigma is f/3.5-4.5
18:16 mashpriborintorg "lens cap" message
18:16 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: it's not designed for point-and-shoot-video like home movies
18:16 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: :)
18:16 tonsofpcs mashpriborintorg: is there a slider to open an internal lenscap?
18:16 mashpriborintorg it is off already, stupid thing, you fail
18:16 tonsofpcs (well, shutter)
18:17 mashpriborintorg trying the sutter options in the menu
18:17 tonsofpcs that would be a different shutter
18:17 tonsofpcs but you can try setting it wide open
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18:19 mashpriborintorg no way
18:19 yNos ohman..
18:20 yNos big bowl of chili for lunch
18:20 yNos i fear for those downwind
18:21 mashpriborintorg this service manuel is not most clear I've seen btw
18:22 tonsofpcs nice!! a book it button!  and a breadboard!  and a pog made from a scantron!
18:24 tonsofpcs now to figure out the two circuits on this breadboard... the first is easy (LM386N), the second....
18:24 tonsofpcs a 555... some uncompleted circuit
18:26 Experimentonomen old projects ?
18:26 mashpriborintorg I'll dig into this camcorder later... requires a whole day of quiet
18:27 tonsofpcs unexposed roll  of kodak 400 b&W :)  I didn't bring any cameras home with me though :(
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18:30 Ponko did something major happen?
18:30 Experimentonomen mashpriborintorg, trying to restore it to functional state ?
18:30 SparkyProjects Ponko, netsplit
18:30 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: it was "broken" when he bought it, he's goingg to fix the stuck lens element (apparently an iris or shutter)
18:30 * Cprossu is wondering what's up
18:31 Ponko ah right had a feeling
18:31 Experimentonomen g'day Cprossu
18:31 mashpriborintorg got it for 10 euros, a plamsize 3ccd camcorder, with sd and dv
18:31 Cprossu good morning Experimentonomen!
18:31 Cprossu nice mashpriborintorg
18:31 mashpriborintorg even nicer if I cam repair it
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18:32 Ponko did you watch the tennis Experimentonomen?
18:33 Ponko does anyone know what happened to SpeedrunnerG55
18:33 mashpriborintorg yesterday, cprossu, I had a  "for parts" Sony DXC-537p + PVV1 dockable vcr + dxf-601 viewfinder (like new) + Anton Bauer battery, 35 euros
18:34 mashpriborintorg the camera head and the vcr have been over tinkered but sill looks good
18:35 Experimentonomen Ponko, i dont watch tv at all
18:35 Ponko power to you
18:36 Ponko who saw that guy in NSFW last night
18:37 tonsofpcs egrsteve: I found a serial control cable for a DPS TBCIII that I can pin-probe for you.  I also think I have the DOS control software on my desk at work.  Interested?
18:37 Cprossu not bad at all
18:38 Cprossu speaking of which make sure bill doesn't take what looks like a part of the machine control of our tek-gvg M-2100 that I saw 2 videos ago I think
18:40 astro73|alice Ponko: the guy complaining that we weren't philosophical enough?
18:41 Ponko yeah
18:42 astro73|alice that was just weird and hilarious
18:43 tonsofpcs a copy of Mims' Timers & Op Amps Engineers notebook!
18:44 Ponko well that IS kinda suitable for web what's he on about
18:46 tonsofpcs ok, running to fairway, cya all in a bit
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18:50 Experimentonomen who in here thinks my diy amplifiers are a waste of time and sounds bad ?
18:52 astro73|alice Experimentonomen: it depends, but probably true for standard stuff
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19:07 astro73|alice Robert'); DROP TABLE Students; --
19:09 astro73|alice somebody set somebody's ring tone to rebecca black. it's starting to get annoying.
19:17 Phu astro73:  ah.. little Bobby Tables ;)
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19:19 wannabe1987 .seen my_family
19:19 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen my_family around.
19:19 wannabe1987 awwww poor botsteve :P
19:20 wannabe1987 but neither have i....they're MIA....no cars are here which is odd
19:20 astro73|alice hi wannabe
19:20 wannabe1987 hi astro
19:21 astro73|alice it's delightfully quiet this afternoon
19:21 astro73|alice and the workstation i use got upgraded to win7
19:21 Experimentonomen g'day miss wannabe1987
19:21 wannabe1987 its sunny out :D
19:21 wannabe1987 if i had a bike i'd ride it :P
19:21 wannabe1987 hi Experimentonomen
19:22 astro73|alice maybe you should get a bike?
19:22 astro73|alice i think we got rid of all our old ones...
19:22 wannabe1987 maybe i should ride my moms bike....but i bet they're hidden in the garage :/
19:22 astro73|alice sounds like a plan
19:23 astro73|alice you must venture deep into the garage to retrieve the powerful [Woman's Bike]! Accept or refuse quest?
19:23 wannabe1987 LOL
19:25 astro73|alice i guess we don't have electronics anymore
19:25 astro73|alice that's unfortunate
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19:37 Experimentonomen its so long since i last sat on a bike that after 10 minutes my ass hurt so bad that i cannot sit on a hard surface for 2 weeks
19:46 astro73|alice BotSteve: should i buy minecraft at some point?
19:46 BotSteve Not a chance
19:46 astro73|alice lol
19:46 astro73|alice he's speaking to my James side
19:52 wannabe1987 yay ui have enough money for rent :D  and to go out or go to the car show tonight or something.  hmmmmm
19:52 wannabe1987 now i need someone to go with or to do something with :P
19:52 Electricguy hi hi wannabe1987 :)
19:52 wannabe1987 hi
19:54 tonsofpcs back
19:54 Electricguy wb
19:54 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: hmm? EMP?
19:55 tonsofpcs BotSteve: should I buy Skyrim on Steam?
19:55 BotSteve Absolutely
19:55 Electricguy minerim!
19:55 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: see, botsteve is smart about videogames.
19:55 tonsofpcs BotSteve: is Electricguy being silly?
19:55 Electricguy no :P
19:55 tonsofpcs I killed the bot :D
19:55 Electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfdCtuHy9g
19:55 BotSteve Title: The Ender Scrolls V: Minerim Trailer (Minecraft/Skyrim Machinima) - YouTube
19:55 Electricguy :D
19:56 tonsofpcs BotSteve: should I click that youtube link?
19:56 BotSteve Yep!
19:56 tonsofpcs ugh, fine
19:56 roadran422|SCL Hey all!
19:56 Electricguy hi!
19:56 roadran422|SCL Anything enw here?
19:58 wannabe1987 or i could go visit grandma in the hospital....
19:59 dbshortwave happy happy happy
19:59 * dbshortwave bashes head on desk
19:59 wannabe1987 oooo obama was in A2 today :?
20:00 * Electricguy likes his new purdy computer case! :3
20:01 Seroster YAAAY I got a piston
20:02 Electricguy i got a doorknob
20:02 roadran422|SCL Hey wannabe1987
20:02 roadran422|SCL Hey Seroster
20:02 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: i bet minecraft has more replay value than skyrim
20:02 roadran422|SCL Any one words with friends?
20:02 roadran422|SCL astro73|alice: I have never played any of those games xD
20:02 astro73|alice me neither
20:02 wannabe1987 hi.  and no
20:02 Seroster Electricguy, I wanna see you put a doorknob in an engin.
20:02 roadran422|SCL ...
20:03 roadran422|SCL Give me some jb weld Seroster
20:03 Seroster Is that an epoxy resin?
20:03 astro73|alice but minecraft is open ended and openly modable
20:03 roadran422|SCL It's the strongest 2 part epoxy avaliable for consumer use
20:03 Electricguy Seroster, you never said what the piston was for! ;) there are pneumatic pistons too :)
20:03 roadran422|SCL VERY STRONG.
20:03 wannabe1987 but skyrim has more trophies :P
20:04 astro73|alice roadran422|SCL: and non-consumer?
20:04 roadran422|SCL True ^
20:04 roadran422|SCL lol
20:04 astro73|alice wannabe1987: so?
20:04 astro73|alice trophies mean shit
20:04 wannabe1987 i'm just stating facts that i have heard from others
20:04 wannabe1987 i don't play either game, nor will i
20:04 roadran422|SCL Not a game ever?
20:04 roadran422|SCL Not even tetris?
20:05 dbshortwave TERIS !!!
20:05 wannabe1987 either game = minecraft or skyrim
20:05 wannabe1987 i wasn't talking tetris
20:05 roadran422|SCL Oh ok xD I thought you said any game whoops.
20:05 wannabe1987 follow the freaking convo will ya?
20:05 Electricguy i wonder why i got 6 youtube tabs open...
20:05 roadran422|SCL Funny thing on tetris... I never knew how to play it because tetris online with color made me think that I was supposed to match the colors of the blocks up, always lost.
20:06 Experimentonomen wat brand is that computer case ? it looks brutal
20:06 Electricguy LOL! XD
20:06 roadran422|SCL Hahah ^
20:06 Seroster Woooow this is wonderfully machined and tight
20:06 Electricguy a In Win BUC666
20:06 roadran422|SCL Seroster: That what's he said
20:06 Electricguy seroster got a new buttplug..
20:06 astro73|alice wannabe1987: only one of those games can have weeping angels
20:06 Electricguy ... XD
20:06 astro73|alice Electricguy: NSFW!
20:07 wannabe1987 watch out....they'll kill you.  always keep an eye on them :D
20:07 astro73|alice wannabe1987: it's hard when they're swarming you
20:07 astro73|alice .yt minecraft weeping angels
20:07 BotSteve astro73|alice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj446LPEy7E
20:08 wannabe1987 watchin house: who is the dr in the power chair?
20:09 wannabe1987 he's an ass to her.  holy shit
20:10 Electricguy luckily it's only fake :)
20:11 Seroster I dont think this will be shimmable with the alu can trick
20:14 wannabe1987 can't even watch tv....fucking monkey
20:14 roadran422|SCL ...
20:14 wannabe1987 curious george
20:14 roadran422|SCL Ah... Kids watching tv?
20:15 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, i dont watch tv, i dont even have an antenna connected
20:15 Electricguy i don't watch TV anymore.. i download whatever i want to see :P then i can watch it whenever i want, how many times i want and without any damn ads :)
20:16 roadran422|SCL I don't really watch tv either...
20:17 astro73|alice http://www.43folders.com/2005/11/09/43f-p​odcast-how-to-leave-a-voice-mail-message
20:17 BotSteve Title: 43F Podcast: How to Leave a Voice Mail Message | 43 Folders
20:17 roadran422|SCL The comp is my tv
20:17 roadran422|SCL *"tv"
20:17 Experimentonomen theres something special with a dc coupled amp, even on low volume i hear the low freq rumble in hardstyle songs
20:17 roadran422|SCL Watching csi online lol
20:17 Experimentonomen since theres no low freq rolloff
20:18 roadran422|SCL Csi las vegas! Cahtering!
20:18 roadran422|SCL *Catherine!
20:18 Electricguy Catering! :P
20:19 wannabe1987 yes, hy, my sibs came home and wanted to watch tv
20:19 Experimentonomen i used to watch csi but after the last season i never picked back up
20:19 Experimentonomen if i miss an episode, i pretty much ignore the rest of the season
20:20 roadran422|SCL Haha
20:21 Electricguy CSI enhance humor is lol :P
20:22 Electricguy like this one. true shit! :P http://www.nuk3.com/gallery/comedy​/1456/CSI-Enhance-Numberplate.html
20:22 BotSteve Title: CSI Enhance Numberplate comedy image | nuk3.com
20:24 roadran422|SCL I like csi las vegas
20:25 Experimentonomen my interest in CSI sank quite a bit when grisson left the show
20:25 Electricguy LOL! :P VLC media player IRL http://www.n0.se/f/n/2dd9d_iyznj.jpg
20:26 Cprossu ---------------
20:26 BitViper http://bitviper.org/projects​/tgg/tgg-gr-lab-sketchup.png and http://bitviper.org/projects/tg​g/tgg-gr-lab-sketchup-back.png for shots of my current lab model
20:27 Electricguy looks nice
20:27 Experimentonomen now build it in minecraft ;)
20:27 BitViper we did that already =P
20:27 Electricguy yeah... :P
20:28 Experimentonomen i thought it was Cprossu that did that, or is there more than one ?
20:28 astro73|alice there was more than one, but Cprossu's was better
20:29 BitViper it was half a dozen working together that did the mc model. someone started, then Cprossu copied and added alot of corrections and detail with the help of a bunch of others
20:29 roadran422|SCL AH!
20:29 roadran422|SCL STUPID BUFFER ISSUES!
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20:30 BitViper thats what she said
20:30 * Experimentonomen waits for his turntable and vinyl to arrive
20:30 BitViper turntable ? vinyl ? sounds kinky O_O
20:31 Experimentonomen u know record player and records, those black discs with circular grooves in them :P
20:31 BitViper =)
20:32 Electricguy aka. vinyl lathe
20:32 astro73|alice aaaaaaaaaaaand the full timers are raiding infrastructure with nerf
20:33 Experimentonomen hm
20:35 roadran422|SCL These buffering issues with CBS online are going to kill me and the operator.
20:36 tonsofpcs Electricguy: nice.
20:36 tonsofpcs what kind of lathe?
20:36 Electricguy vinyl lathe! :P
20:36 tonsofpcs right, I got that... what kind?
20:36 Experimentonomen Lenco L76 :P
20:36 tonsofpcs *looks it up*
20:37 Electricguy oh...
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20:37 Electricguy i got a JVC L-A11
20:37 wannabe1987 ....mom's yelling....can i go now?
20:37 BitViper no
20:37 Experimentonomen g'day lwq1996
20:37 lwq1996 yelling?
20:37 wannabe1987 my mom
20:37 wannabe1987 yes
20:37 lwq1996 hi experimentonmen
20:38 lwq1996 why?
20:38 wannabe1987 hi lwq1996
20:38 lwq1996 hi
20:38 wannabe1987 because of youngest siblings
20:38 lwq1996 hahahahahahahaha im lucky to have a twin
20:38 wannabe1987 and i apparently can't brown meat properly :/
20:38 wannabe1987 lucky?
20:38 tonsofpcs cool, a tabletop model.  Make sure you put a lot of weight in it and/or perfectly isolate it from everything else to keep it from vibrating
20:38 wannabe1987 i have older-younger siblings too....ones hiding
20:38 lwq1996 well no one younger than me
20:38 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, i cant cook meat without turning it into charcoal :(
20:38 tonsofpcs lwq1996: you're the younger twin?
20:39 lwq1996 i can make taco meat
20:39 lwq1996 nope oldest twin
20:39 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: hold over fire on a stick for 1 minute.
20:39 tonsofpcs 15:38:49 < lwq1996> well no one younger than me
20:39 Electricguy tonsofpcs, you can see the setup here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAonC7gduNg
20:39 BotSteve Title: overview of my stereo - YouTube
20:39 tonsofpcs what are you going to be cutting?
20:39 Electricguy it's standing on it's own little table, which stands on spikes on the floor. then the player stands on spikes on the table... XD
20:39 lwq1996 my wrists
20:40 Experimentonomen Electricguy's stereo system sounds much better than mine and it looks much better than mine too
20:40 tonsofpcs Electricguy: make sure you inscribe a serial number and your initials or some sort of logo or something :)
20:40 Electricguy myabe :P
20:41 tonsofpcs so what are you planning on cutting on the lathe?
20:42 Electricguy also, the sound is CRAP in the video, thanks to a Toshiba Camileo H30 camcorder... really shitty one.. XD
20:42 tonsofpcs the sound at the start is the best that's ever come out of the shitty speakers in this netbook :-p
20:42 Electricguy i use to cut a lot of ELO and other stuff :P
20:42 Electricguy LOL!
20:42 tonsofpcs 0.5 cm drivers, at best.
20:43 wannabe1987 someone explain logic to me please.  "i didn't do what i was supposed to because then you'd get mad at me" as mother dearest is UPSET now because sister dearest DIDN"T DO  AS SHE WAS TOLD
20:43 Electricguy massive!
20:43 wannabe1987 10 year old minds are confusing
20:43 tonsofpcs lol
20:43 tonsofpcs diameter, not depth or radius
20:43 tonsofpcs depth is nil.nil
20:43 wannabe1987 and my computers not working, i'll finish what i had to do later :sigh: i have to go now.bbl
20:43 tonsofpcs anyway, off to microcenter to buy computer (part)s.
20:43 Electricguy 12 inch diameter :)
20:44 Experimentonomen that fan is confusing, the frame rate matches up withe its rpms so it looks like its runing really slow
20:44 tonsofpcs cya
20:44 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: shutter more likely.
20:44 Electricguy it IS in fact spinning really slow
20:44 Electricguy it got a built in temp control
20:44 Electricguy a NTC jammed into the heat sink
20:45 Experimentonomen i wonder how many mA bias a LM3886 runs compared to the audiopro amp
20:45 Electricguy about the same
20:45 Electricguy the LM3886 amp gets warmer than th audio pro. but the audio pro got bigger sinks
20:46 Electricguy the LM3886 goes up to about 40c idle
20:46 Experimentonomen my lafet amp runs around 150mA bias per channel and even after a day or loud music its varely even warm o_O
20:46 Electricguy lol ok
20:47 Experimentonomen and ppl called that amp a fire hazard
20:50 Experimentonomen well i guess technocally it is since parts that can potentially get 100+deg C are in contact with wood whioch beeing particleboard might be easier to light aflame than solid wood
20:50 Electricguy o_O
20:50 Electricguy that's really warm
20:51 Experimentonomen but i have never had an amp get that hot, except for that current boosted ua741 if u remember
20:51 Electricguy yeh
20:59 Experimentonomen i thought abt putting this thing in a 4U rackmount box but realized modding such box would require pretty much the same tools and amount of work as just building up a chassi around the amp i i may just leave it as is and call it done :/
20:59 Experimentonomen so*
20:59 lwq1996 did you guys see the holy war going on, on my photo
21:01 dbshortwave DELL computer beep codes 5-2-2-1
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21:04 dbshortwave bad rimm device
21:04 dbshortwave wtf is a rimm device
21:05 Experimentonomen never heard of
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21:06 astro73|alice dbshortwave: RIM?
21:07 astro73|alice .w rimm
21:07 BotSteve "Research In Motion Limited (TSX: RIM, NASDAQ: RIMM) or RIM is a Canadian multinational telecommunications company headquartered in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, that designs, manufactures and markets wireless solutions for the worldwide mobile and telecommunications market." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_In_Motion
21:07 Electricguy i have only heard of SIMM and DIMM
21:07 dbshortwave rimm is RDRAM
21:07 roadran422|SCL I've head of SDRAM
21:08 dbshortwave heh
21:08 Electricguy Secure Disigtal Random Access Memory? :P
21:08 Electricguy Digital*
21:08 roadran422|SCL IDk
21:09 roadran422|SCL .w sdram
21:09 BotSteve "Synchronous dynamic random access memory (SDRAM) is dynamic random access memory (DRAM) that is synchronized with the system bus." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchr​onous_dynamic_random-access_memory
21:09 roadran422|SCL That ^
21:09 roadran422|SCL And there is also ROM
21:09 Cprossu I hate rambus
21:09 Cprossu burned my fingerprints off of some
21:09 roadran422|SCL ...
21:09 dbshortwave mr16r1624afo-cm8
21:09 Cprossu when I built a first gen p4
21:09 dbshortwave lol
21:09 Electricguy LOL yeah rambus sticks run pretty hot XD
21:09 dbshortwave thats what this machine is
21:10 dbshortwave it uses rambus
21:10 Cprossu p4 1.3ghz
21:10 Cprossu piece of SHIT
21:10 Electricguy lol
21:10 Cprossu my athlon 900 creamed it.
21:10 dbshortwave should i keep the CPU and huck this machine?
21:10 Cprossu as did my tbird 1.3
21:11 dbshortwave or squeeze a new mobo in  this case?
21:11 dbshortwave heh
21:11 Cprossu what mobo in it?
21:11 dbshortwave its a dell
21:11 Cprossu chuck the whole damn thing then and keep the proc as a conversation piece
21:11 Cprossu one of those wing-style cases?
21:12 dbshortwave yeah
21:12 dbshortwave but it uses set scews
21:12 dbshortwave i wonder
21:12 dbshortwave im thinkin retro fit
21:12 dbshortwave its a sexy case
21:13 Phu helloooo
21:16 Electricguy Dell case and sexy? yeh right :P
21:16 Cprossu ^^^ but to each his own
21:17 Electricguy This Dell case is the only one i think is "sexy" :P http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovati​ons/innovations_2004/6043/mainphoto6043.jpg
21:18 Experimentonomen kinda looks like fanheater :P
21:21 dbshortwave this one is sexy
21:22 dbshortwave im happy i got a DSlite
21:22 roadran422 I have one no charger, and a gba sp no charger also :(
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21:26 Experimentonomen roadran422, ebay :P
21:26 roadran422 No money:
21:27 roadran422 Welll I have 20 bucks but spending it on a screw driver set....
21:27 roadran422 Dam it, screw driver set vs charger...
21:29 MoxieMike drivers
21:30 mashpriborintorg tonsofpcs iris is instuch, now it appears I have no servo control at all for the optics, no focus, no zoom, no iris control
21:31 astro73|alice quitin' time!
21:31 mashpriborintorg *unstuck
21:31 mashpriborintorg it's wide opened now, I accessed to it and set it in openes position
21:32 roadran422 Idk... I want 2 play my game yet I need a set.... lol
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21:42 Electricguy just happened to take another 15 second shutter time picture :P http://i.imgur.com/erRG8.jpg
21:43 Electricguy it's fun to play with
21:47 roadran422 If people would like to help me out by taking this survey then please do so. Male: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GC89LMJ Female: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GCHTDTJ
21:47 BotSteve Title: Women: Makeup Survey
21:47 roadran422 Anyone please help me ^
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21:48 roadran422 If people would like to help me out by taking this survey then please do so. Male: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GC89LMJ Female: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GCHTDTJ
21:48 BotSteve Title: Women: Makeup Survey
21:48 Electricguy why repost the same thing?
21:48 roadran422 For Toastdude xD
21:48 Toastdude ....
21:49 roadran422 I just need results for a reasearch paper.
21:49 roadran422 xD
21:50 roadran422 Anyone who is willing to help. Please do. It's a 1400 english argument paper.
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21:51 Toastdude Wannabe!
21:51 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
21:51 wannabe1987 my open office is poooping out on me.  it wouldn't work in my meeting today :/
21:51 roadran422 Hey wannabe1987
21:52 Toastdude Open office as in Linux?
21:52 wannabe1987 as in my computer....win 7
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21:52 Electricguy It doesn't have to be Linux to be free... XD
21:53 wannabe1987 exactly
21:53 wannabe1987 :D
21:53 Toastdude Haha :P
21:54 * wannabe1987 kills openoffice.org calc
21:54 Electricguy lol
21:54 * mashpriborintorg goes to sleep bye
21:55 Toastdude Bye
21:55 Electricguy yeah OpenOffice can be a little buggy sometimes
21:55 wannabe1987 night
21:55 Electricguy but over all it's good
21:55 wannabe1987 this is the first time its been buggy
21:55 Electricguy oki
21:55 wannabe1987 when i needed it!
21:55 Electricguy mine have been buggy 2 times
21:55 Electricguy lol. Murphys law!
21:55 * einball1 likes touch and finger
21:55 wannabe1987 and it thinks its supposed to be "always on top"  what the fuck is up with that
21:55 wannabe1987 good.  its gone
21:56 wannabe1987 o shit
21:56 wannabe1987 Toastdude: are we supposed to have our rpg tonight?
21:56 Toastdude Oh yeah..
21:56 Toastdude As far as I know
21:57 wannabe1987 master0fmonks isn't here....his twin is :P
21:57 wannabe1987 i was gonna go to a movie, guess i have to stay home and not spend money.  darn :P
21:57 wannabe1987 i am going to visit my grandma in the hospital, but idk when i'll get done
21:58 wannabe1987 hey look....flash died....
21:59 roadran422 Thanks to anyone who helped..
21:59 wannabe1987 maybe that will fix.....o wait, nope.  didn't fix firefox
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21:59 wannabe1987 sorry heeee, but yeah, firefox is borking
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22:00 wannabe1987 hi druid!
22:01 wannabe1987 oh noes.  we're running out of bacon bits!
22:02 wannabe1987 i'm...not sure how this happened, tbh
22:03 Ponko BotSteve: should i pop the fister on my bloot
22:03 BotSteve Maybe
22:03 Ponko BotSteve: should i pop the blister on my foot*
22:03 BotSteve Nope
22:03 Ponko good
22:04 Experimentonomen BotSteve: should i shoot Ponko
22:04 BotSteve Nope
22:04 Ponko ;)
22:04 Experimentonomen BotSteve: should i kill Ponko
22:04 BotSteve No way
22:04 Experimentonomen hm
22:05 Experimentonomen ok then
22:05 Ponko ;)
22:06 Toastdude BotSteve: Should Ponko be killed?
22:06 BotSteve Yep!
22:06 Toastdude BotSteve: Should Ponko be killed by Experimentonomen?
22:06 BotSteve Definitely
22:06 wannabe1987 Ponko: my sister is TERRIFIED by weeping angels
22:06 wannabe1987 :P
22:06 wannabe1987 o wait, Ponko is dead
22:06 wannabe1987 nvm
22:06 Ponko eh?
22:07 Ponko you ever heard of Connor MacLeod
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22:08 BitViper cripes, and it wasnt even my isp this time
22:08 Experimentonomen tgg internet fail ?
22:09 BitViper Experimentonomen : no, my server's host's backbone lost a couple of nodes hard
22:09 Experimentonomen u back home ?
22:09 BitViper oh yeah, i was only at the lab one day
22:10 Experimentonomen oki
22:10 BitViper Experimentonomen im only 90 mins from the lab
22:10 Experimentonomen oki
22:10 Experimentonomen with the ice road stuff u made it sound like iot was a large portion of a day in distance
22:11 BitViper oh that trip wasnt even to the lab, that was playing taxi for a neighbor
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22:14 wannabe-afk DINNER TIME
22:14 Electricguy nom
22:14 Electricguy enjoy
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22:15 Seroster Ooooops lol
22:15 Experimentonomen the plasma cutter has arrived! i think, looks like it
22:15 Phu well, I have an urge to watch an old wizard yell at some diminutive people, so I'm off to watch Lord of the Rings SEE.
22:16 Seroster Experimentonomen, Gonna make this moped street legal, and the cylinder was börked so I got a new one... This one got no plug. It was hitting 70 (twice legal) with the old half removed plug xD
22:16 Experimentonomen Seroster, i never asked :P
22:16 Experimentonomen it was Electricguy that commented your piston :P
22:18 Seroster So, you are a swede, you know how the cops are with mopeds here xD
22:19 Electricguy bedtime. night all
22:19 Toastdude Night
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22:20 Experimentonomen i have never owned a moped
22:23 Seroster ...
22:26 Toastdude I need a gamma source..
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22:40 dbshortwave bbl
22:42 lwq1996 hey wannabe you here?
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22:47 roadran422 Hey
22:47 iSasha Hey guys, do you know any affordable data collection ecosystems?
22:47 roadran422 : http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GC89LMJ
22:47 BotSteve Title: Makeup Survey
22:47 roadran422 Wait...
22:47 roadran422 If people would like to help me out by taking this survey then please do so.
22:47 roadran422 Male: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GC89LMJ
22:47 roadran422 Female: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GCHTDTJ
22:47 BotSteve Title: Makeup Survey
22:47 BotSteve Title: Women: Makeup Survey
22:49 Toastdude lwq1996: She's eating
22:49 lwq1996 ah
22:49 lwq1996 i was about to text you saying get on here ad talk to me :P
22:50 Toastdude Too late! :P
22:50 roadran422 ...
22:51 Druidic_Sniper joined #thegeekgroup
22:51 iSasha Sooo... does anyone know any good data collection ecosystems? Such as the Vernier one, but only cheaper?
22:52 Seroster Now
22:53 roadran422 Hey seroster
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22:53 Seroster How do I get a legal plug to put in the exhaust of a moped in order to not get the entire damn thing confiscated and molten down?
22:54 roadran422 Hey masterofmonks
22:54 roadran422 Hey RageRiot
22:54 masterofmonks Morning roadran422
22:55 RageRiot hi roadran422 :)
22:55 Toastdude Hi RageRiot!
22:55 Seroster Yo RageRiot
22:55 masterofmonks Seroster: can you describe what you are looking for better?
22:55 Cprossu messages?
22:55 Cprossu nope.
22:56 Seroster masterofmonks, Here all mopeds in a certain class are to be fitted with a plug in the exhaust in order not to be able to go too fast.
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22:56 masterofmonks Ah, a restrictor.
22:56 Seroster This moped is not supposed to ever move faster than 45kph unless it is in someones trunk
22:57 Seroster The old one was rawtrimmed, and it borked both the piston and cylinder. So I got a new cylinder. Now I need to restrict flow.
22:57 Seroster Might work with a washer?
22:57 masterofmonks Checking now.
22:58 masterofmonks Do you have access to a welder?
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22:59 Seroster I don't want to weld on it.
23:00 masterofmonks And does your moped have a model?
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23:00 lwq1996 probally galvanized steel anyways, cant weld
23:01 masterofmonks Oh, you can weld it, you just have to have proper ventilation.
23:01 MoxieMike ya, don't weld or heat-cut galvy
23:02 MoxieMike it'll work, but you need VERY good ventilation and a respirator
23:05 * lwq1996 fires up his cutting tourches and closes the garage door
23:05 roadran422 ...Why?
23:06 MoxieMike galvy steel is coated in zinc
23:06 MoxieMike when heated, the zinc will burn and become zinc oxide which is toxic
23:06 MoxieMike inhale a little and you're sick for a while
23:07 masterofmonks .wik tuesday shakes
23:07 BotSteve Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "tuesday shakes".
23:07 masterofmonks .wik metal fume fever
23:07 BotSteve "Metal fume fever also known as brass founders' ague, brass shakes,[1]| zinc shakes, Galvie Flu, or Monday morning fever[2]| is an illness caused primarily by exposure to certain fumes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever
23:07 roadran422 Anyone who tried making home made batteries. Steel Wool + Lemon Juice = Shit smell..
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23:10 MoxieMike home made galvy?
23:14 roadran422 Yes that can be done...
23:14 roadran422 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;​q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved​=0CCAQtwIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube​.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjimPImGKPy8&amp;ei=1S8jT4e​wHIqIgwea9J37CA&amp;usg=AFQjCNEL-_VDUBIUS6NkH​LRQQCm73g-rxQ&amp;sig2=12TkJmwNNAk1tvXRu7qXVg
23:14 roadran422 MoxieMike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimPImGKPy8
23:14 BotSteve Title: How to galvanize metal (for rust protection) - YouTube
23:15 MoxieMike but i can't think of a reason why one would want to do that
23:15 roadran422 Idk.. You asked home made galvanation... xD
23:15 roadran422 For rust protection....
23:16 Seroster LOL!
23:16 roadran422 ?
23:16 Seroster Forensic files, 911 recording: "I need someone to come immideately, I've got a dead person here"   -  "Is the person concious?"            I HOPE THE PERSON ISNT! Fucking zombies!
23:16 roadran422 xD
23:17 Seroster And I know they HAVE to ask, since people often say dead when they mean passed out or unconcious
23:17 roadran422 True
23:20 wannabe-afk hey lwq1996 you here?
23:20 wannabe-afk hey masterofmonks....
23:21 lwq1996 huu
23:21 wannabe-afk hi
23:21 lwq1996 hi
23:21 masterofmonks Spatula.
23:21 lwq1996 lol
23:21 wannabe-afk i will be late to rpg i think.  i'm headed to the hospital soon to visit grandma, i might be 15 min late home.  idk yet how long i'll stay
23:21 Seroster Can I lick it?
23:21 wannabe-afk yes
23:22 wannabe-afk always lick the spatulas
23:22 masterofmonks Ok.
23:22 masterofmonks lwq1996?
23:22 wannabe1987 how are you lee?
23:23 roadran422 wannabe1987: Is your computer working?
23:23 wannabe1987 yes, but i'm busy
23:23 roadran422 o ok
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23:24 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
23:24 wannabe1987 :D
23:24 Toastdude Wannabe!
23:24 wannabe1987 i'll be late tonight....but i'll be closer to ontime if i leave now :P
23:25 * Monkeh just released magic smoke
23:25 wannabe1987 ewww is that what i smell?
23:25 roadran422 ...
23:26 Monkeh wannabe1987: It is kinda rich.
23:26 roadran422 What did you do?
23:26 wannabe1987 so was teh cheesecake with dinner :P
23:26 roadran422 Blow a resistor?
23:27 Monkeh roadran422: No, some form of regulator. Hard to tell, it's not all there any more.
23:27 roadran422 xD
23:34 * RageRiot does as well ;)
23:35 wannabe1987 lol
23:35 * wannabe1987 hands out bean-o
23:35 RageRiot lol
23:35 * roadran422 hands out Gas-X
23:36 * RageRiot had to google that..
23:36 roadran422 :)
23:36 * Toastdude hands out pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.
23:36 roadran422 :P
23:36 roadran422 xD
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23:36 * RageRiot spray isopropyl at #thegeekgroup
23:36 roadran422 Lol
23:36 * Toastdude takes out his lighter
23:37 RageRiot nooooo !!!
23:37 roadran422 Hahaha
23:37 * Experimentonomen sound goto bed but cant stop listening to good sounding music
23:37 * roadran422 sprays RageRiot With gas.
23:37 RageRiot heh
23:37 roadran422 :)
23:38 * Toastdude wants to take apart an air conditioner for the compressor but doesn't want to mess up everything with CFC's...
23:38 RageRiot I received isopropyl today :) got enough to last a while :P anyone want a lens cleaning :P
23:38 roadran422 Haha
23:38 * Monkeh points to the 1L bottle on his desk
23:38 RageRiot rofl
23:39 RageRiot exactly what I received today
23:39 Monkeh Stuff's cheap
23:39 RageRiot how much you get yours for and where
23:39 RageRiot ?
23:39 Monkeh Oh, few quid on ebay, can't recall the seller
23:39 Toastdude Do lenses not like isopropyl?
23:39 roadran422 Idk..
23:39 roadran422 But plastic hates acetone.
23:39 RageRiot Glass no
23:40 RageRiot plastic.. not really but possible
23:40 RageRiot and yes acetone is bad for plastic
23:40 roadran422 Yes ^
23:40 roadran422 I learned that the hard way.
23:40 Monkeh RageRiot: £2.99
23:40 Toastdude Depends on how good your lens is... If it's real glass or not :P
23:40 RageRiot much cheap than my bottle... maybe I'll check ebay nexttime
23:41 wannabe1987 japan had a tremor....
23:41 RageRiot I got mine from amazon but I was buying other stuff so paid for it all at once.
23:42 Monkeh RageRiot: Oh, ouch, sorry, £6.80
23:42 RageRiot £7
23:42 Monkeh RageRiot: Forgot the delivery.
23:42 Monkeh Still perfectly good
23:42 RageRiot ahh
23:43 wannabe1987 bye
23:44 roadran422 cya wannabe1987
23:44 RageRiot I bought some 100ml bottles so i dont have to lug 1L around plus I'm gonna store the big bottle in the colder part of the house
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23:45 RageRiot empty I mean 100ml bottle i mean
23:45 roadran422 Percentage?
23:45 roadran422 99?
23:45 RageRiot yep
23:46 roadran422 O_O
23:46 roadran422 Isn't pharmacy grade like 10-15?
23:46 RageRiot tickles your thorat if you breathe it in
23:46 RageRiot I thought it was 60 70 %
23:46 lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
23:46 roadran422 Hmm..
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23:47 RageRiot consumer alcohol wipes might be lower
23:47 roadran422 .I am dumb... It is around there
23:47 Monkeh roadran422: This is proper stuff. :P
23:47 roadran422 Hahah
23:47 roadran422 70% is what I see
23:48 roadran422 +
23:48 roadran422 .
23:48 RageRiot roadran422 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003D8QFR8/re​f=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&amp;m=A1GHHA4GPDJQIJ
23:48 BotSteve Title: ISOPROPANOL IPA Isopropyl Alcohol 99.9% Pure: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics
23:49 roadran422 Ah ok
23:49 roadran422 afk gtg eat
23:49 RageRiot ok
23:49 RageRiot enjoy
23:50 roadran42|zZz Thanks you too... lol
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23:53 MoxieMike who makes a good scanner?
23:54 azop what type of scanner?
23:54 MoxieMike police scanner
23:54 MoxieMike sorry, context is everything
23:54 MoxieMike if you were on my street, it would have been obvious
23:54 einball1 &list=UUNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_k​jDJw&index=6&feature=plcp
23:54 einball1 trollphysics
23:55 einball1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTvDjhImwo
23:55 BotSteve Title: Series circuit - 3 LEDs - YouTube
23:56 Experimentonomen oo einball is still alive
23:56 einball1 not for long. 3 mins or so
23:57 Experimentonomen im already in bed :P

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