Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-02-12

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00:01 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : you didnt get someone who hadnt had their morning coffee last time
00:04 Druidic_Rifleman why is camera #1 down on the stream
00:04 BitViper it's protesting the us border patrol :)
00:11 egrsteve SOMEONE KILLED THE BOT!!!
00:11 BatSteve nope
00:11 Seroster Yeah. My frozen dick did.
00:11 egrsteve also hello
00:11 BatSteve he crashed because there's a new video
00:11 egrsteve oh, new video
00:11 BatSteve I really ought to fix that tonight.
00:11 BatSteve everyone pester me to fix that
00:11 masterofmonks BatSteve, What about dr_jkl and Noise_Marine?
00:12 BatSteve They also quit because of the new video.
00:12 dr_jkl joined #thegeekgroup
00:12 BatSteve (:
00:12 tonsofpcs BatSteve> he crashed because there's a new video
00:12 tonsofpcs ^^ at least he told us :)
00:12 Seroster BatSteve, turn the script off until its fixed, eh?
00:13 BatSteve Yeah but if I turn it off, then the problem goes away and I never fix it
00:13 Seroster ...And hence the problem is solved =D
00:13 Seroster Hello dr_jkl
00:15 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop is apparently 'the guy'
00:16 BitViper where new video ?
00:17 egrsteve .in 30 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:17 egrsteve batsteve: in 30 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:17 egrsteve botsteve: in 30 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:18 BatSteve that's weird
00:18 egrsteve seems I don't remember the remind command
00:18 BatSteve no, you were right the first time
00:18 BotSteve joined #thegeekgroup
00:18 egrsteve oh
00:18 BatSteve stupid bot
00:18 egrsteve .in 30 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:18 BotSteve egrsteve: Okay, will remind at 00:48Z
00:18 egrsteve .in 60 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:18 BotSteve egrsteve: Okay, will remind at 01:18Z
00:18 egrsteve .in 90 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:18 BotSteve egrsteve: Okay, will remind at 01:48Z
00:18 egrsteve ok you should be reminded :)
00:19 BatSteve Thanks!  Unless he dies again
00:20 Seroster .in 2800 min tell BatSteve Fixed the fucking script yet?
00:20 BotSteve Seroster: Okay, will remind on 13 Feb 2012 at 23:00Z
00:20 BatSteve :D
00:21 Seroster .in 2801 min tell BatSteve ... You haven't? You lazy bastard, get on it NOW or Imma get the beati'n stick!
00:21 BotSteve Seroster: Okay, will remind on 13 Feb 2012 at 23:02Z
00:24 BatSteve hahaha
00:24 Seroster =)
00:25 tonsofpcs moose has a kodachrome memorial t-shirt!
00:28 tonsofpcs .in 5 min tell batsteve to fix video script
00:28 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Okay, will remind at 00:33Z
00:28 tonsofpcs should be before it dies again ^^ :)
00:30 tonsofpcs people who look like they are afraid of microphones.... ugh....
00:30 ajprog_laptop tonsofpcs: ???
00:30 tonsofpcs ( wtop10.com , watch live)
00:30 tonsofpcs ajprog_laptop: chris called you 'the guy'
00:31 ajprog_laptop he did? ok
00:31 tonsofpcs are you not there when he shows you in the video?
00:32 BitViper that would be quite a trick
00:32 tonsofpcs BitViper: eh, it's video.  You can fix anything in post ;)
00:32 ajprog_laptop yes but I have other things I am working on, so I don't alway pay attention to what he is saying
00:32 BitViper tonsofpcs : lol true enough, especially these days
00:33 tonsofpcs good point :)
00:33 BitViper ajprog_laptop : does anyone ?
00:33 ajprog_laptop lol
00:33 tonsofpcs why does tis kid have his thumb on the mic?!
00:33 ajprog_laptop I am heading home
00:33 BotSteve tonsofpcs: tell batsteve to fix video script
00:34 tonsofpcs .in 5 sec tell BatSteve to fix .tell so it tells him not me
00:34 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Okay, will remind in 5 secs
00:34 BotSteve tonsofpcs: tell BatSteve to fix .tell so it tells him not me
00:34 BatSteve ...
00:34 BatSteve okay that's really weird
00:34 tonsofpcs video first
00:34 tonsofpcs then that
00:34 BatSteve oh wait
00:34 BatSteve .tell someone x
00:34 BotSteve Sorry, .tell is not yet implemented.  Use BotSteve: tell
00:35 BatSteve tonsofpcs: you used .in rather than tell:
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00:39 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm i wonder
00:39 Druidic_Rifleman How much it would cost to set up a proffitable target printin operation in GR
00:41 Seroster Idk, a profitable one however.
00:46 tonsofpcs target printing?
00:47 egrsteve print custom targets
00:47 egrsteve try to find a neice market
00:48 BotSteve egrsteve: tell batsteve to fix video script
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00:56 Noise_Marine joined #thegeekgroup
00:57 Druidic_Rifleman With custem targets i think i have one
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01:05 nazca_ <HighMan> nazca_: Why use the K scale... <--- because it's referenced with respect to absolute zero
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01:14 BitViper OMFG Cap Blog 9/3/11 did moose really put those blocks together with cyanolite ??? those bastards will survive armageddon !
01:17 Druidic_Rifleman hmmmm BV
01:18 BotSteve egrsteve: tell batsteve to fix video script
01:20 tonsofpcs nazca_: so what's your favorite audio level scale?
01:23 BatSteve Goodbye Whitney Houston.
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01:25 HighMan NazcaAh...
01:25 HighMan Was that a netsplit?
01:26 egrsteve no, I don't think there has been a net split, you would know
01:28 HighMan Well... Alot of people entered and left xD
01:28 HighMan BitViper: Why are you rewatching ALL the captain's blogs?
01:28 Druidic_Rifleman Bitviper what blocks?
01:29 BitViper HighMan : not RE watching, watching for first time
01:29 Druidic_Rifleman link?
01:29 HighMan BitViper: Depr.
01:29 BitViper have only seen last month worth
01:29 BitViper er, have only seen last month as they come, have now watched from when they moved into GR to um, beginning of september
01:30 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : link to the aforementioned blog entry re moose and blocks ?
01:30 Druidic_Rifleman both
01:30 egrsteve highman, when people leave due to a netspit it notes it
01:30 BitViper that video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0kR9Kd4_uA&amp;feature=plcp&amp;context=C3e6ab26UAOEgsToPDskJbf6kt8wOEhJdYTHokRAFz
01:30 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 9-3-11 Epic High Voltage Weekend Day 1 - YouTube
01:31 HighMan egrsteve: I see, but holy crop lot of people entered and left and entered...
01:31 HighMan *crap
01:32 HighMan BitViper: I reckon I seen most if not all of the captain's videos
01:33 BitViper i havent gone back into the kzoo era
01:33 Seroster Druidic_Rifleman, How come you couldnt get into the states?
01:33 NeWtoz FYI: Feb 12th is Abe Lincoln's b-day
01:33 Druidic_Rifleman Stupid boarder officer who doesn't understand the geek grou[
01:33 NeWtoz just thought people would want to know
01:33 BitViper Seroster : cuz the agent he got hadnt gotten laid the night before
01:34 HighMan BitViper: I havne't seen all tgg videos, but idk there was kazoo cbs?
01:34 Seroster ... So... Because the officer saw that you are a geek group member he didnt let you in?
01:34 Druidic_Rifleman He Accused me of stealling US jobs and because he didn't get laid last night and his Supervisor wouldn't let him bar me for 5 years i got turned back
01:34 BitViper HighMan : well, wernt cap blog so to speek, but there are lots of vids on chris' channel from that era
01:35 Seroster ...How can you steal us jobs?
01:35 BitViper Seroster : aparently theyre more worried about canuk's than they are illegals
01:35 Seroster You can steal but one US job, stealing many implies you are either a fucking duracell rabbit or being more than one person. =P
01:36 Seroster So... You can't get into america because....?
01:36 HighMan BitViper: Yah... Shaving les**** puss*
01:36 Druidic_Rifleman Cop was a retard
01:36 Seroster ...
01:36 Druidic_Rifleman THAT WAS A FUNNY ONE!!!
01:36 BitViper yeah i saw that one
01:36 HighMan xD
01:36 Druidic_Rifleman Considering i'd of been helping chris employ people
01:37 Druidic_Rifleman ... how i was displacing a US worker
01:37 Druidic_Rifleman Even if i was trying to
01:37 Druidic_Rifleman wouldn't be possible
01:37 NeWtoz STOP TAKING OUR JOBS!
01:38 Druidic_Rifleman And half the reason i was going down there was to Learn Skills to Start a company and get this PIG Make JOBS!!!!!
01:38 NeWtoz LIES! YOU WERE SPYING ON OUR OPERATIONS
01:38 NeWtoz SPY!
01:38 * NeWtoz goes to bed
01:39 Druidic_Rifleman yeah this is not a joking issue
01:40 BatSteve Wait..you'd be helping Chris employ people?
01:40 HighMan Night NeWtoz
01:40 BatSteve TGG has paid staff now?
01:40 BatSteve Who gets paid a salary?
01:41 Druidic_Rifleman No but i'd be helping Get the Cafe set up
01:41 Druidic_Rifleman I had money earmarked in my pocket Just for a donation for that
01:42 Druidic_Rifleman if i could figure out that 15 round TPX magazine and get set up to make them
01:43 HighMan Druidic_Rifleman: Do you live in Canada?
01:44 Druidic_Rifleman Yes tragicly
01:44 * BitViper facepalms
01:44 Monkeh BatSteve: Several, including new people being hired to operate equipment in the HVL (Stomper.)
01:44 Seroster So in essence you said more than you should have to the border patrol officer and he misunderstood what tgg is about and your reason for getting into the us, hence you being booted out.
01:44 mooselova joined #thegeekgroup
01:44 BatSteve No kidding!
01:44 BatSteve cool
01:44 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna go back intime and help the USA win the war of 1812
01:44 Monkeh BatSteve: Hence I'm kinda pissed I didn't make it over there :{
01:44 BatSteve Monkeh: ):
01:44 HighMan In american history, 1812 war was nothing major...
01:44 Druidic_Rifleman Just a loss
01:45 HighMan Then why win it?
01:45 Druidic_Rifleman I don't even know HOW you guys got Washington DC back...
01:45 Druidic_Rifleman I have looked
01:45 BatSteve howdy mooselova, what's up
01:45 Druidic_Rifleman just like Suddenly the brits pulled out
01:45 BitViper better is WHY we wanted it LOL
01:46 Druidic_Rifleman who is mooselova
01:46 Druidic_Rifleman wait moose/tysk?
01:46 Seroster eh
01:46 Druidic_Rifleman or a person with a zooaphilia thing for Bullwinkels?
01:46 BitViper i doubt it
01:46 Monkeh Druidic_Rifleman: Not unless Moose is over here and using a TalkTalk connection.
01:47 HighMan .define tempted
01:47 BotSteve tempted — verb: 1. Simple past tense and past participle of tempt
01:47 HighMan .define tempt
01:47 BotSteve tempt — verb: 1. (trans.) To provoke someone to do wrong, especially by promising a reward; to entice, 2. (trans.) To attract; to allure, 3. (trans.) To provoke something; to court
01:48 Seroster Druidic_Rifleman, a mooselova would ba a person that loves moose. Since Lis nickname is 'moose
01:48 Seroster we don't know if it's the person or the animal
01:48 HighMan O-O
01:48 Seroster Or even both at the same time.
01:48 BotSteve egrsteve: tell batsteve to fix video script
01:48 BatSteve thanks egrsteve
01:48 Seroster lol
01:48 HighMan That's just weird.
01:48 HighMan .seen mooselova
01:48 BotSteve HighMan: I last saw mooselova 400.29 hours ago at 2012-01-26 09:31:43 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:48:59 UTC
01:49 HighMan Weirdo.
01:49 Seroster He's right fucking there *points*
01:49 HighMan ?
01:49 HighMan It AINT me
01:49 Druidic_Rifleman OOOOOOH gods it's one of here foot licking stalkers
01:49 HighMan xD
01:49 Monkeh Yeah.
01:50 Seroster You may speak, lover of mooses!
01:50 HighMan xD I think he is long gone.
01:50 Seroster Is that moosi, moose or mooses in plural?
01:50 mooselova mooses?
01:51 mooselova MOOSE
01:51 Seroster Mooses sounds strange.
01:51 masterofmonks Meece
01:51 HighMan Who is that person?
01:51 Seroster meece!
01:51 HighMan BatSteve: ?
01:51 mooselova as in that hot blonde chick in the videos
01:51 Seroster HighMan, Batsteve is the dude who made the channel.
01:51 HighMan ...
01:51 HighMan So it must be BatSteve
01:51 Druidic_Rifleman wait are you moose?
01:51 Druidic_Rifleman ...
01:51 Seroster mooselova, I've never seen a blonde moose. Most of the time they are brownish.
01:51 Druidic_Rifleman or one of her stalkers
01:51 HighMan .c 400 hours in to days
01:51 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
01:51 Druidic_Rifleman I've seen a blue one
01:51 HighMan .c 400/24
01:51 BotSteve 16.6666667
01:51 mooselova get out more then seroster
01:51 HighMan So about 3 weeks
01:51 Seroster Druidic_Rifleman, She aint a narccissist, no, it aint moose.
01:52 BatSteve HighMan: ?
01:52 Seroster mooselova, That's a raw nerve, I'm living under a bridge you insensitive bastard.
01:52 HighMan BatSteve: ...
01:52 HighMan Who the hell is mooselova
01:53 BatSteve I dunno.  Ask him.
01:53 Seroster Its a dude with a lis bokt fetish.
01:53 mooselova you got internet connection under that bridge?
01:53 Seroster Questions?
01:53 HighMan Wel.
01:53 Seroster mooselova, I'm sending smoke signals to a friend with a pair of binoculars.
01:53 HighMan How would he know that he un quieted you?
01:53 Seroster Whaitwhat?
01:53 HighMan HE WASN'T WATCHING FOR 400 HOURS.
01:53 Seroster ... Ofc he wasnt, he just joined.
01:54 mooselova what if he's not watching out, or even awake from where he/she is seroster?
01:54 HighMan Seroster: "I last saw mooselova 400.29 hours ago at 2012-01-26 09:31:43 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:48:59 UTC"
01:54 BatSteve You mean you're using IRC in your sleep?
01:54 HighMan Any questions?
01:55 Monkeh HighMan: Yes, I have a question.
01:55 Seroster mooselova, this room is supposedly PG13. I don't know why you got muted, but I suppose it is due to your... er. Facination with this female.  Anyway, keep what you want to do to her feet in the #tgg:NSFW room =>
01:55 HighMan xD
01:55 HighMan Monkeh: What?
01:55 Seroster HighMan, Yes, he could have been offline for 400hours
01:55 Monkeh HighMan: How are you so dumb? :)
01:55 Seroster He didnt join until a few minutes before unmute
01:55 mooselova what i want to do to her lucky lil ass is way above her friggin feet dude :)
01:56 Seroster .... Dude.
01:56 HighMan Well, how would he know if he was unmuted?
01:56 BatSteve mooselova: really?  You do too?
01:56 BatSteve mooselova: you've gotta PM me dude
01:56 Seroster Let's rephrase, keep anything you want to do to any part of any female to the other room.
01:56 HighMan xD ser
01:56 HighMan xD Seroster
01:56 Monkeh HighMan: .. Because he was right here when he was unmuted and it's AMAZINGLY easy to check the ban and quiet lists.
01:57 mooselova why didnt you say so in the first place. lifes to short bro
01:57 Seroster And so is your...
01:57 HighMan Monkeh: No.
01:57 Monkeh HighMan: ...?
01:58 tonsofpcs ...
01:58 Seroster tonsofpcs: Huh?
01:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Hi.
01:59 BotSteve whaaaa?
01:59 BatSteve don't you start
02:00 BotSteve Who?
02:00 Seroster Me+
02:00 HighMan Who is this fetish girl.
02:00 Seroster Nowait.
02:00 HighMan ?
02:01 BotSteve When?
02:01 HighMan Seroster: It is you.
02:01 BatSteve When's on second, who's on first.
02:01 Seroster What?
02:03 BatSteve Oh wait, I got it wrong, what's on second, who's on first.
02:03 Seroster I'm so confused
02:03 Monkeh BatSteve: Who's on first, what's on second, I don't know's on third
02:04 HighMan If I had a cent for each time I use a letter, I'd be F'ING rich ;)
02:04 BatSteve .w who's on first
02:04 BotSteve "Who's on First? is a vaudeville comedy routine made most famous by Abbott and Costello." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who's_on_first
02:04 BatSteve Seroster: that
02:05 Monkeh Seroster: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M#t=1m15s
02:05 LovenMoose ...
02:06 LovenMoose OMG!
02:06 Druidic_Rifleman mooselova is someone with a death wish is stalking moose
02:06 LovenMoose HAVE ANYONE SEEN THE MATH SKIN BY ABBOT AND SOTELLO?!?!?
02:06 Druidic_Rifleman Highman Stop miss behaving
02:06 LovenMoose *Skit
02:06 LovenMoose XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLprXHbn19I
02:07 BotSteve Title: Abbott And Costello 13 X 7 is 28 - YouTube
02:07 LovenMoose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyUncKI7oU&amp;feature=related
02:07 BotSteve Title: 25 divide by 5 equals 14 - YouTube
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02:11 Druidic_Rifleman creapy moose stalker was creepy
02:11 HighMan xD
02:11 Druidic_Rifleman i hope she feeds him to the Sheet router
02:12 HighMan Funny thing is on those videos, what would of sold it was that if they did subtraction!
02:12 BitViper thumper
02:12 Druidic_Rifleman I'll help hold him down
02:12 Druidic_Rifleman why
02:12 HighMan Druidic_Rifleman: No... Stomper, Gemini, All cncs, and Thumper
02:12 egrsteve no, the lathe alone would be plenty
02:13 egrsteve I do not sudgest you look up pocs of lathe accidents
02:13 Druidic_Rifleman XD!!!
02:13 egrsteve *pics
02:13 Monkeh egrsteve: Seen a few. Ugly.
02:13 BitViper egrsteve : messy
02:13 Druidic_Rifleman DO it high man
02:13 Druidic_Rifleman Machining accidents are those tools are SHARP
02:13 HighMan Druidic_Rifleman: You help me hold him down.
02:13 Monkeh egrsteve: Also seen accidents with most other types of power tool as well as motorised industrial equipment (ie. lifts).
02:14 HighMan I HAVE THE BEST IDEA! DROP HIM OFF OF A SKYLIFT!
02:14 Monkeh No, insufficiently messy and yet too messy.
02:14 egrsteve the thing with lathe's is there is a lot of mass at a very high rpm, should anyhting get caught well you can figure it out
02:14 Monkeh Either go all the way or make it quick and clean.
02:15 Monkeh egrsteve: See also: Chippers.
02:15 * egrsteve shudders
02:15 HighMan The lathe is what? The one with the horizontal drill?
02:15 Monkeh egrsteve: And hell, you want a lot of mass at RPM?
02:15 Monkeh egrsteve: PTO.
02:15 SparkyProjects Just seen this on a forum http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57376028/singer-whitney-houston-dies-at-48 :-(
02:15 BotSteve Title: Singer Whitney Houston dies at 48 - CBS News
02:15 HighMan Who is Whitney?
02:15 egrsteve the lathe turns a work piece against a fixed tool
02:16 HighMan Ok xD
02:16 egrsteve so a lot of turnign mass
02:16 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Dropping like flies.
02:16 egrsteve at sveral thousand+ RPMs
02:17 Monkeh egrsteve: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Zapfwelle_eines_Traktors_-_power_take-off_of_a_tractor.jpg/1024px-Zapfwelle_eines_Traktors_-_power_take-off_of_a_tractor.jpg
02:17 egrsteve yes, I am aware of PTOs
02:17 Monkeh Accidents waiting to happen.
02:18 egrsteve indeed
02:18 egrsteve very much like a lathe
02:18 HighMan Salt and Vinegar SO GOOD!
02:18 Monkeh egrsteve: Only with a vehicle and ground to smash you into.
02:18 Monkeh Rather than stuffing you into a lathe.
02:19 HighMan This is the torture we should do to that mooselova.
02:19 Monkeh Not to mention fairly frightening torque with low RPM ones.
02:19 HighMan 1. Water Torture with HF.
02:19 HighMan 2. A dose of Cyanide just enough to torture but not kill him.
02:19 HighMan 3. Take an impact to his p****
02:20 HighMan Then slow death with a low rpm chipper, feet first.
02:20 BitViper remind me never to piss you guys off LOL
02:20 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDtkiBwCeuM
02:20 BotSteve Title: Lathe vs Idiot - YouTube
02:20 HighMan BitViper: xD
02:20 Monkeh Slow death doesn't really work with chippers.
02:20 BatSteve You know, things like that never work on James Bond.
02:20 * egrsteve will not look
02:20 HighMan egrsteve: same.
02:21 * BitViper agrees with egrsteve
02:21 HighMan He didn't get injured?
02:21 SparkyProjects egrsteve: there's no blood, but is a good vid of what not to do
02:21 Monkeh egrsteve: I looked. No actual injury. But a great demonstration of why you DON'T FUCK WITH LATHES.
02:21 lwq1996 who's whitney houston
02:21 egrsteve T handle in headstock?
02:21 HighMan HOLY HELL.
02:22 SparkyProjects lwq1996: google a vid of her, famous singer, performed at superbowl
02:22 HighMan He is lucky that his whole leg didn't break off.
02:22 lwq1996 what highman
02:22 HighMan lwq1996: What?
02:23 HighMan SparkyProjects: At the end. There is a featured video.
02:23 SparkyProjects egrsteve: i think he was trying to wrestle against the torque of the lathe, but he lost that one :P
02:23 egrsteve hmm, tug of war vs lathe just a little dumb
02:24 Monkeh egrsteve: If that was set to a working speed he'd be fucked.
02:24 HighMan How to remove a blade nut off of a Lawn Mower with the right wrench and a pipe. Stick wrench in to the pipe. Then you put wrench over the nut and set the wrench on the ground. Hope it turns the way you want the bolt to go. And then start the mower.
02:25 Monkeh HighMan: ... Fucks sake, people deserve death.
02:26 HighMan If people do dumb. They get their consequences.
02:26 Monkeh egrsteve: You manage to catch Joe?
02:26 egrsteve that must have been down around 40 rmp
02:27 egrsteve no, not today
02:27 Seroster Oh god damn it
02:27 HighMan 1000 thousand dollars worth of chemicals and less than 1% yeild. xD
02:27 HighMan Seroster: You ok?
02:28 Seroster SparkyProjects, Tug of war with something that weighs ten times as much as you do is never a good idea
02:29 Monkeh egrsteve: Has anyone sent in a pirate fish flag?
02:29 HighMan ..
02:29 egrsteve not sure
02:29 Monkeh egrsteve: Find out..
02:29 Monkeh egrsteve: Question is, will Boden know what it is?
02:29 egrsteve describe it, there are a lot of pirate flags
02:29 Monkeh egrsteve: It's a.. pirate fish.
02:30 HighMan XD
02:30 egrsteve or link a picture
02:30 Monkeh It's a very specific reference
02:31 egrsteve fish bones with eye patch socket
02:31 Monkeh egrsteve: http://ompldr.org/vY3J0ZA
02:31 Seroster SparkyProjects, teacher was going over some basic shop safety, with a picture of what can happen if you don't remove your rings (finger to torn off, and the tendon from his finger all the way up to the shoulder was wrapped around the drill bit)
02:31 HighMan What's the reference?
02:31 Monkeh HighMan: You wouldn't get it.
02:31 egrsteve not that I am aware of
02:31 HighMan Seroster: From a ring not coming off?
02:31 Monkeh egrsteve: Will Boden get the reference?
02:31 egrsteve idk
02:32 Monkeh egrsteve: Do you?
02:32 Seroster Oh the ring came off, and so did most of his finger =)
02:32 HighMan XD, Question was that is what happens if you don't remove your rings PRIOR to operating the machine?
02:33 Seroster In essence it's just some gore to build some respect for a 3phase drill that doesn't care if it is drilling steel or flesh.
02:33 HighMan ...
02:33 egrsteve i thiknk so but not 100% sure
02:33 Monkeh HighMan: Where a small amount of skin would be cut, torn off, or just friction burnt, a ring can catch a moving part.
02:33 Monkeh egrsteve: Go on then.
02:34 egrsteve fsm
02:34 Monkeh egrsteve: :)
02:34 HighMan Oh...
02:34 HighMan True
02:34 Monkeh HighMan: Same goes for dangling items and loose clothes.
02:34 SparkyProjects Seroster, i heard a story like that, a telephone exchange has racks of equipment something like 10 feet high, there's a gridmesh on top to route the cables, one guy was on a ladder helping to run cables, he slipped, his ring got caught on the mesh, and he lost finger and tendons in the same way
02:34 HighMan I now that..
02:34 * HighMan wears a loose shirt on a windy day on a lathe.
02:34 HighMan Oh... Damn.
02:35 Seroster Yeah... Do a google picture search for "lathe accident" and try to tell the head from the tails... Don't fuck around with big metal objects spinning at high speed.
02:35 HighMan I'm not.
02:35 Monkeh HighMan: You don't carry ID on a lanyard around tools either.
02:35 HighMan I know 1 more saftey thing.
02:35 egrsteve or sweatshirt strings
02:36 HighMan Or long hair
02:36 egrsteve ties
02:36 HighMan Yep
02:36 egrsteve well maybe a bow tie
02:36 Monkeh egrsteve: Or certain types of clip-on.
02:36 egrsteve still be carefull
02:36 Seroster I wouldnt risk it
02:36 Monkeh (on a related note, look at some bodyguards with ties sometime. You may note they're all clip-ons.)
02:36 Seroster Spandex.
02:37 egrsteve indeed that are
02:37 SparkyProjects Monkeh, even though the company i worked for wanted us to wear ID on a lanyard, i flatlet refused, even though they said i could remove it if working on equipment
02:37 egrsteve not a lot of good grabing a clipon
02:37 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCFze4zkzk  < that dude is a bleeping bleepety bleep bleeptard.
02:37 BotSteve Title: Metal Spinning - Axel Fan Baseplate Spinning - YouTube
02:37 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Balls to that, they want ID around equipment, they can give you some which clips on.
02:37 SparkyProjects Minkeh, i have a clip on police tie :P
02:37 Seroster Accidents happen about half a second after you get comfortable with the machine.
02:37 HighMan Ok. I saw the dumbest thing at wallmart.
02:38 SparkyProjects Monkeh, i had a clip on one, just had to make sure it was visible.
02:38 HighMan I was walking down to the seafood section and there was a opened area that had a box bolted to the floor I think. In it was 2 spinning discs open for the public, so basically anyone could of stuck there finger in it.
02:38 Monkeh SparkyProjects: No point in the ID if it's not visible, but you ask me to wear something dangling around moving tools and I'll dangle you into one..
02:39 egrsteve This channel is great: someone hitting on moose -> macheine shop death -> lathe accidents -> general safety practice -> clip on ties
02:39 Seroster monkeh- if you got a problem with the ID tag solve it yourself.
02:40 Monkeh Seroster: No need. I think you'll find over here you have every right to demand a clip-on ID around machinery.
02:40 Seroster Instead of clipping on have a hard drive magnet glued to your belt and another on the end of the lanyard IDtag. If anything yanks on it it fails to safe mode.
02:40 Monkeh And the employer must provide it and have no legal grounds to refuse to or to fire you over it.
02:40 HighMan Injuries on myself scare me.
02:41 HighMan If I had a arm torn off or a finger torn off. I'D BE FERAKING OUT.
02:42 Seroster Heh
02:42 Seroster Shock does wonders to you =)
02:42 BatSteve egrsteve: agreed, I love this channel
02:42 HighMan Seroster: Agreed.
02:42 Monkeh egrsteve: It's like the internet. Oh, right. :D
02:43 BatSteve Seroster: that part about the magnet is a great idea.
02:43 Seroster You want something that will hold a few kilos of weight but won't pull ya in? - Magnets =P
02:43 HighMan RTV can do wonders torwards insulating 2 wires.
02:44 SparkyProjects Seroster, accidents happen when you become afraid of H&S, i know of 2 H&S officers at work that have had accidents, one fell through a false ceiling
02:44 SparkyProjects Fist of all he wasn't qualified to be in a lift motor room trying to release a trapped passenger (i was), secondly he didn't realise what he was about to stand on when he lifted a trap door in that room, he though it was the top of the lift, and again he was not qualified to be in the lift shaft on top of the lift.
02:44 SparkyProjects He saw me a few months later on a ladder, asked if i was safe, so i said "i don't fall through ceilings", he couldn't reply to that one :P :D
02:45 HighMan XD
02:45 Seroster lol
02:45 Monkeh SparkyProjects: They go a little nuts on use of ladders.
02:45 Monkeh I can do all sorts of work off a ladder safely. There's also things I will not do on a ladder.
02:45 SparkyProjects Monkeh, this was beforre our place got really hot on H&S
02:45 Seroster An idiot in a bucket is worse than a guy on a ladder.
02:45 HighMan Ever seen failblog latters?
02:46 HighMan *ladder
02:46 SparkyProjects I've been on a ladder that's slipped down a wall, i just rode it down :P
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02:47 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Just make sure your fingers aren't on the wrong side and you'll probably be fine..
02:47 dbshortwave yeah not a fun ride
02:47 Monkeh The danger is in twisting or throwing yourself off the ladder.
02:47 SparkyProjects I was standing all the way :D
02:47 Monkeh Which is fairly easy to avoid if you're not a twat.
02:47 SparkyProjects btw, i was also part of the works fire team :P
02:47 exor674 I once had someone try and remove a ladder from under me
02:48 exor674 THIS IS WHY YOU FUCKING LOOK UP
02:48 HighMan XD
02:48 Seroster ....I get wierd tics every time I see someone reaching for something through the ladder....
02:48 HighMan exor674: How the hell did he not notice!
02:48 Monkeh exor674: On the other hand, I've had people tell me never to look up on a building site.
02:48 Monkeh .. which has a certain validity, but generally it's a good idea to look before you touch a ladder.
02:49 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Know what's funny?
02:49 exor674 HighMan: because I was up between two ... top curtains
02:49 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Shouting 'heads up!' when dropping something off scaffolding.
02:49 HighMan Oh... You fall or what?
02:49 exor674 and the light when one is actually UP in the grid kinda sucks
02:49 exor674 I managed to be all "ACK!"
02:49 HighMan xD
02:49 exor674 and they stopped REAL FAST but
02:49 HighMan Atleast you didn't scare them.
02:49 SparkyProjects Minkeh HAHA, yeah, especially when you look up and your helmet falls off :P
02:50 BatSteve Anybody ever worked in a kitchen before?
02:50 Monkeh SparkyProjects: See, that's a badly adjusted helmet. :P
02:50 BatSteve I've always admired the way that well-run kitchens seem to communicate
02:50 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Mine will stay on if I hang upside down.
02:50 BatSteve like calling out corners if you're about to turn one with hot liquid, or something
02:51 Monkeh BatSteve: Mmmm, oil burns.
02:51 SparkyProjects That's another thing, walking in a 6 foot 3 inch high area when you are 6 foot, and being told to wear a helmet, you cause more injuries to your neck than if you didn't wear one :P
02:51 Seroster monkeh, there was this dude in the school I attend who was half asleep on the football field where people were throwing spears... Someone yelled "HEADS UP!" - wich is exactly what he did and the spear went in his eyesocket and out the side of his skull.
02:51 egrsteve yes it can
02:51 Monkeh SparkyProjects: No kidding, especially as I'm 6'3 ;)
02:51 BatSteve ::blink::
02:51 BatSteve SPEARS?
02:52 Seroster ....Yes.
02:52 egrsteve no yell headache
02:52 Monkeh BatSteve: Javelins.
02:52 Seroster About two meters long, aluminium, two inch diameter
02:52 HighMan Seroster: He lived?
02:52 HighMan Did he live.
02:52 Seroster Oh yes he did
02:52 SparkyProjects Monkeh, i still have my firemans uniform, helmet too, wonder if i'd be allowed to wear it on a normal job, it has a good chinstrap :P
02:52 BatSteve what kind of crazy norwegian olympics were you training for?!
02:52 HighMan Is he ok?
02:52 HighMan BatSteve: XDXDXD
02:52 Seroster Went in on an angle, he lost the eye but didnt suffer brain damage.
02:52 Monkeh BatSteve: They do that at the normal olympics!
02:52 exor674 HighMan: I'm not sure that applies to someone who got impaled
02:53 HighMan lol
02:53 HighMan Seroster: Hell of a lucky bastard.
02:53 Seroster I wouldnt call someone who just got a fucking javelin throught his eyesocket "lucky"
02:53 HighMan He survived.
02:54 BitViper id call someone who got a jav through the eye socket but not through the brain VERY lucky
02:54 Monkeh BitViper: Much like people who get shot in the head and live.
02:54 Seroster Thing is he was at the designated safe distance, you had one team of throwers on one side of the field and one team of throwers on the other side. Both teams throwed at the same time, then evryone got their javelin back. Problem is there was a guy who was a very good thrower on the other side....
02:54 BitViper Monkeh : no them i just call the shooter a poor shot
02:54 Monkeh BitViper: Hah.
02:55 HighMan Seroster: Hahaha
02:55 Monkeh Seroster: See, for me, safe distance would be about that of the olympic record. And a little for good measure.
02:55 Seroster It's a true story, he had a safety briefing in the gym, in essence telling people not to fuck around.
02:55 HighMan Monkeh: True that.
02:55 BatSteve Monkeh: Really, if a bullet hits a person in the head and the person lives, that's kind of an engineering failure on the bullet's part.
02:55 Seroster monkeh Safe distance for me is about twice the olympic record
02:55 Seroster I.... I love you BatSteve
02:55 BitViper me im not standing anywhere down range of a javlin thowing, not a chance
02:55 Monkeh Seroster: I doubt anyone in a school will throw a javelin 200m.
02:56 * HighMan MOMMY I CAN'T SHOOT DOWN A FLYING BIRD WITH THIS AWM!
02:56 Monkeh BatSteve: Hah.
02:56 Seroster BitViper, If you are picky you ARE standing downrange from a javelin thrower pretty much anywhere in the world.
02:56 Monkeh BitViper: I'd happily stand downrange of someone firing birdshot, and fairly close too.
02:56 Seroster Or do you define it as you have to be within a few kilometers? =P
02:56 BitViper Seroster twice the record plus some for wind and random events, and some for murphy, who hates me
02:57 HighMan I would follow Monkeh's thumb of rule. Distance of the longest recorded throw + 10-20 meters.
02:57 Seroster :>
02:57 Seroster Yet another example of "dont fuck around with metal objects moving at high speed"
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02:57 HighMan XD
02:57 BatSteve I can see the news report now:  "High school child sets world record for javelin throw!  Also, idiot dies by standing downrange, story at eleven."
02:57 HighMan .seen wannabe1987
02:57 BotSteve HighMan: I last saw wannabe1987 8.37 hours ago at 2012-02-11 18:35:56 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:57:58 UTC
02:58 HighMan BatSteve: Hahaha
02:58 HighMan .seen SarahM
02:58 BotSteve HighMan: I last saw wannabe1987 8.37 hours ago at 2012-02-11 18:35:56 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:58:10 UTC
02:58 BatSteve HighMan: the bot knows that they're the same person
02:58 BatSteve you're never going to get a different answer
02:58 BatSteve you don't need to ask twice
02:58 HighMan Oh.... Ok xD
02:59 * BatSteve can't tell if his friends put alcohol in his Dr. Pepper when they visited last weekend.
02:59 tonsofpcs .seen a fix for the video issue
02:59 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen a around.
02:59 BatSteve oh well.  ::drink::
03:00 HighMan ...
03:00 Monkeh BatSteve: Do we have UTF-8 yet?
03:00 tonsofpcs i know, let's play drink drank drunk!
03:00 Seroster Anyway
03:00 Monkeh BitViper: How far downrange would you want to be from #6 birdshot?
03:00 Seroster Im bored to death and its 4am
03:00 HighMan xD
03:00 lwq1996 lol its 10pm here :P
03:00 BitViper Monkeh : behind the shooter
03:00 lwq1996 seroster you tired?
03:01 HighMan Who is Whitney Houston?
03:01 egrsteve dead singer
03:01 lwq1996 yeah
03:01 HighMan Never heard of her
03:01 Monkeh BitViper: What would you say if I told you I'd happily be fired at with #6 birdshot at 300 yards as long as I can have proper glasses?
03:01 lwq1996 i havent either
03:01 BitViper Monkeh : i treat guns like i treat cameras, i prefer to be behind them
03:01 lwq1996 lol
03:02 HighMan lol
03:02 HighMan I'm sorry, he just happened to be there.
03:02 Druidic_Rifleman You know
03:02 BitViper Monkeh : id consider you insane, even knowing that birdshot is prolly not even going to make it that far
03:02 BatSteve Monkeh: nope
03:02 Monkeh BatSteve: *thump*
03:03 * BatSteve deserved that
03:03 Druidic_Rifleman A 1911 from WW1 still works and is still worth a good chunk of cash
03:03 HighMan *thump -t
03:03 Druidic_Rifleman a camera from that era
03:03 Monkeh BitViper: Meanwhile I'd say I have a good grasp of ballistics.
03:03 Druidic_Rifleman not as usefull
03:03 Monkeh BitViper: The birdshot would make it that far. And it'd be like hail.
03:03 Druidic_Rifleman and no longer being made
03:03 HighMan It's amazing how I have seen hail 2 times in fl, but no snow.
03:03 Monkeh Druidic_Rifleman: That's because guns haven't really changed.
03:04 Monkeh BitViper: I can get a pellet from an airgun out further than that, but it won't do a lot..
03:04 Monkeh (I'll need some new scope rings though)
03:04 Druidic_Rifleman I want the Ar15 upper from crossman
03:05 BitViper Monkeh : hold still while i get dad's old long barrel 30.30 <grins>
03:05 Monkeh BitViper: Sure, but I get to extend the range to approximately 3000 yards.
03:05 BitViper Monkeh : hahahaha
03:06 Seroster lwq1996, I aint tired but I should sleep.ö
03:06 Monkeh And I have to admit even at that range I suspect it could do damage if it hit.
03:06 BitViper with that gun i think i can hit ya at 300, not so much at 3k
03:06 Monkeh Those are powerful rounds.
03:06 Druidic_Rifleman wonder's what the energy of a 30-06 at3k is
03:06 Monkeh BitViper: I should hope you can hit a standing, 6'3" man my size at 300 yards!
03:06 Seroster monkeh, as for the birdshot at 300meters... DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH HIGH VELOCITY METAL OBJECTS
03:06 BitViper Monkeh : yeah, i loved that gun, until dad suffed a bit of idiocy and traded it to someone for a new roof on his house
03:07 Monkeh Seroster: Not overly high velocity or energy at that point.
03:07 Druidic_Rifleman I know a .223 CAN hit a target at a mile
03:07 BitViper it was one of the old hexagon long barrels, heavy as hell
03:07 Monkeh Seroster: Do the numbers.
03:07 Seroster I repeat, DONT FUCK AROUND WITH HIGH VELOCITY METAL OBJECTS
03:07 Seroster Now write that a thousand times on the blackboard.
03:08 Seroster I don't care if it's safe in theory, don't fuck around with it.
03:08 BitViper Monkeh : ive never tried long range shooting, so no idea if i can hit a target that far, but i know i used to be pretty good, havent shot crap in over a decade
03:08 HighMan Seroster: Agreed.
03:08 Monkeh Seroster: It's safe in fact, too.
03:08 Seroster It's a bit like even if I know the fuse is pulled I'll still measure voltage and avoid poking the hot wire while grounded.
03:08 HighMan High Velocity Gold 1 atom diameter beam?
03:08 Seroster Don't fuck around with it dude. =P
03:08 HighMan ;)
03:09 Seroster .yt what would happen if you stuck your hand in the hadron collider
03:09 BotSteve Seroster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMqPT6oKJ8
03:09 Seroster And with that... Goodnight
03:09 HighMan ...
03:09 BitViper hahaha
03:09 Monkeh Seroster: And yet if you know it's safe you'll still touch a 240V wire.
03:09 HighMan xD
03:09 Monkeh Seroster: Ask SparkyProjects about that.
03:09 HighMan And I do know what a hadron collider is.
03:09 Seroster monkeh, Yeah. That's the exception to the rule.
03:09 BitViper meh, i'll play with house wiring with the power on ... yes im an idiot, and ive been bit many times, once spectacularly
03:09 HighMan Yay 60 symbols!
03:10 Monkeh Seroster: And so is being far enough away.
03:10 Monkeh Seroster: Imagine trying to throw a pebble at someone a hundred yards away.
03:10 Monkeh Seroster: Even if you get it there, it has nowhere near the energy left to do any damage.
03:10 SparkyProjects Seroster and Monkeh, your hand would go faster than the speed of light :P
03:10 Seroster I know, birdshot is fine at a few hundred meters, but still don't fuck around with it=P
03:10 Monkeh Seroster: It's not fucking around if you know exactly what will happen. :P
03:11 Seroster ... Yes it is 0P
03:11 Seroster Unless it's nessecary for some reason it's fucking around =P
03:11 Monkeh BatSteve: You shoot, back me up here while I go make pizza. :P
03:11 BitViper rule 1 : murphy loves guns
03:11 SparkyProjects BitViper: are you UK or US ?
03:11 BitViper SparkyProjects : us
03:11 Seroster Rule 2 : Murphy hates you.
03:11 BatSteve I do shoot
03:11 BatSteve and enjoy pizza Monkeh
03:12 SparkyProjects Then house wiring is only 110, i work on 240 live :P
03:12 Seroster ...And you work on table saws too, or so I've been told.
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03:13 BitViper SparkyProjects : ive only played with 240 a couple times on our dryer. never got bit.
03:13 lwq1996 which beats what, a marlin model 25 or a savage mark II, both .22
03:13 Guardianzozo Cprossu, you there?
03:13 SparkyProjects BitViper: did you see my vid about respect for electricity ?
03:14 BitViper the most "fun" "bite" ive got from 110 is when my metal frame bed on which I had mounted a light switch to turn off my light from my bed ... got wet from an open window ... i made the mistake of sitting on it
03:14 BitViper SparkyProjects : respect electricity ? bah ! LOL, no i havent. linky ?
03:14 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6f30SQHGM
03:14 BotSteve Title: Electricity and Respect - YouTube
03:14 Guardianzozo electrongun from a 36in tv in the stomach was my best one
03:17 BitViper SparkyProjects : which one is you ?
03:17 SparkyProjects That should be obvious :P
03:18 SparkyProjects I'm the old guy
03:18 SarahM .seen injektion
03:18 BotSteve SarahM: I last saw injektion 8.84 hours ago at 2012-02-11 18:27:44 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:18:13 UTC
03:18 BitViper SparkyProjects : the smart looking one
03:19 SarahM dave almost got "bit" yesterday at the lab....wire was live :P
03:20 SarahM hi LeePod, lwq1996
03:20 BitViper Guardianzozo : my electronics teacher did that
03:20 Guardianzozo it stung a bit
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03:21 SarahM wtf
03:21 Seroster Goodnight fellas.
03:21 Guardianzozo later Seroster
03:21 SarahM night
03:21 BatSteve seeya
03:21 Seroster ... BatSteve....
03:21 wannabe1987 hi BatSteve
03:22 wannabe1987 he doesn't want it :P
03:22 Seroster YUNOOP
03:22 BatSteve hey kelly
03:22 Seroster Oh shut up kelly =P
03:22 wannabe1987 lol
03:22 wannabe1987 he wants other things, not op :P
03:22 lwq1996 hi
03:22 Druidic_Rifleman shut up seroster
03:22 wannabe1987 how are you doing?
03:22 SparkyProjects Can't decide if the worst was an old valve TV, touching the anode on the HT valve, or 100 vollts at 25Hz on the forehead (ringing current in a telephone exchange), i saw lights :P
03:23 wannabe1987 .seen sndwrx
03:23 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw sndwrx 146.58 hours ago at 2012-02-06 00:48:20 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:23:11 UTC
03:23 BatSteve pretty good
03:24 Guardianzozo im sure you did SparkyProjects
03:24 Guardianzozo i used to do all the phone work for a school district
03:25 Guardianzozo so i know what that can be like lol
03:25 BitViper SparkyProjects : you'd love the story of my roommates cat vs phone cord
03:25 HighMan Is the cat dead or alive?
03:25 SarahM o.o
03:25 HighMan Anyone get that reference?
03:25 egrsteve yes
03:25 egrsteve we got it
03:25 Guardianzozo yup
03:25 HighMan I just watched a video on schrodinger's cat xD
03:26 BatSteve I don't get it.  Could you explain it in painstaking detail?
03:26 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: We got it like, 10 years ago (or more for some of us)
03:26 BitViper short version : cat would chew on any cord or wire it could find, until one day his timing was off. we found cat piss and shit all over his room, a damanged phone cord, and a very much alive but very upset cat who never went near another wire
03:26 HighMan :P
03:26 HighMan ?^
03:26 BitViper clearly the phone rang at the wrong time
03:26 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: Go lick a ringing phone cable.
03:26 HighMan ..?
03:27 Monkeh|Lap Go on
03:27 HighMan ...?
03:27 Guardianzozo did that one on accident before...
03:27 HighMan I'm guessing the ring cable has a very high current
03:27 SarahM when a phone rings, electricity is going through the wire, obviously
03:27 Guardianzozo cable held in mouth... phone rang
03:27 BitViper Guardianzozo : cable came out of mouth quickly
03:28 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: No.
03:28 Guardianzozo LOL yup, with slight numbness for a hour or two
03:28 BitViper the ultimate cure for migraine ?
03:28 Monkeh|Lap BitViper: Or the cause of one.
03:28 Guardianzozo experementation is needed! XD
03:28 HighMan Monkeh|Lap: ?
03:28 Guardianzozo <--- too cold to care about spelling
03:28 BitViper migraine pain ? wrap head in 3 turns of phone wire, call phone
03:29 SarahM ...
03:29 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: Methinks your education in electrical theory is severely lacking. :P
03:29 HighMan Monkeh|Lap: More than severly
03:30 Guardianzozo even so, someones willingness to learn is more important than what they know =)
03:30 BitViper and on those notes, its bedtime for me, g'nite kiddies, and yes, i can call almost everyone kiddie, except sparky
03:30 HighMan :P
03:30 HighMan Night BitViper!
03:30 Monkeh|Lap Guardianzozo: Indeed, so someone get the kid some books.
03:30 Guardianzozo later dude
03:30 Monkeh|Lap BitViper: Night
03:30 SarahM night old man ;)
03:30 HighMan Don't let the bed bugs bit. BitViper
03:30 Guardianzozo nah he has access to youtube, lol
03:31 HighMan I have lots to do over the summer.
03:31 BitViper HighMan : da bed bugs know better than to get near my feet and arse
03:31 HighMan +1 On reading that book from ynos.
03:31 Monkeh|Lap Guardianzozo: For such educational material as Boden blowing stuff up and, once upon a time, Photonic melting motors.
03:31 * HighMan imagines you getting your awm with those bugs.
03:31 Guardianzozo exactly
03:31 HighMan Still needs to read this. http://www.noniandjim.com/Jim/RadioProjects/UsingElectronics/UsingElectronics.html
03:31 BotSteve Title: Using Electronics
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03:36 wannabe1987 .seen Toastdude
03:36 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Toastdude 3.72 hours ago at 2012-02-11 23:53:09 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:36:34 UTC
03:41 * wannabe1987 got to see gemini in action yesterday
03:41 wannabe1987 boden: you work here long enough it won't be cool to you
03:41 HighMan wannabe1987: Have you gotten an official tour yet?
03:43 SarahM official tour?  what do you mean?
03:43 SarahM wannabe can't see you, but i can :P
03:44 HighMan I learn something new everyday.
03:44 HighMan SarahM: oh... xD
03:45 HighMan I mean as seen stomper, gemini, and thumper run
03:45 SarahM i can go into any room i want (possibly even staff locker room) (including MC if i'm told to go get something/someone).
03:45 SarahM why would i need a tour?
03:45 HighMan I was just curious as to if you seen those run before.
03:46 SarahM i saw stomper go off like 5-10 times, thumper go off numerous times (including 2 yesterday) and gemini lots
03:46 HighMan Oh ok
03:46 SarahM plus the mini musical tesla
03:46 SarahM i can GIVE tours
03:46 HighMan 1. Learned not to kill a wound.
03:46 HighMan 2. Not to talk to someone if they don't want you to.
03:46 HighMan 3. Schrodinger's Cat
03:47 tonsofpcs I never saw gemini run in person.  I saw/heard the effects of it running from across the building...
03:47 HighMan Many others, but learned what Iodide looks like. (Blood powder in water)
03:47 tonsofpcs (attempting to run?)
03:48 egrsteve I suppose I could give a tour, but why would I want to
03:48 SarahM you can hear gemini from outside :D
03:48 masterofmonks HighMan, Iodine is a purplish black solid that sublimates at room temperature.
03:48 SarahM i dunno
03:48 tonsofpcs egrsteve: uh.... um... make a tour video and just leave it in loop in the cafe?
03:48 SarahM i have to justin/killa-x his first day so he knew where things/rooms were
03:48 masterofmonks More likely you saw tincture of iodine.
03:48 HighMan masterofmonks: Yah xD
03:49 HighMan It was warm water.
03:49 egrsteve hmm give a steadicam tour so smooth no one can follow it
03:49 tonsofpcs heh
03:49 egrsteve it just flis around the lab
03:50 tonsofpcs it doesn't matter how clean you make it.  A real walking tour of that building no one can follow :-p
03:50 egrsteve hide a few clever cuts in it to make the esher building even more so
03:50 tonsofpcs I mean, I suppose it's easier when hallways and stairwells aren't blocked off by construction/destruction, but I doubt it is much.  I never even saw the whole thing while I was there...
03:51 HighMan .define sublimate
03:51 BotSteve sublimate — verb: 1. (physics) To change state from a solid to a gas (or from a gas to a solid) without passing through the liquid state (trans. or intransitive), 2. To purify or refine a substance through such a change of state
03:51 HighMan Oh... Purple gas!
03:51 egrsteve the building does fold in on itself though
03:51 tonsofpcs fold in on?
03:51 masterofmonks Actually yes it does make a purple gas, but it is also very poisonous.
03:52 egrsteve there are a few spacial inconsistancies or at least it seems so
03:52 HighMan ...
03:52 egrsteve I doubt it could ever be modeled properly due to that
03:52 * HighMan Colorfu falls on the floor
03:53 SarahM hi
03:53 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Weirdly thick walls?
03:53 egrsteve that and dead spaces
03:53 egrsteve things that you don't think should line up
03:53 egrsteve things that line up that shouldn
03:53 egrsteve 't
03:53 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Could be extra support for floors and construction access areas which weren't needed.
03:54 Monkeh|Lap It's certainly a weird building
03:54 egrsteve there are wet walls
03:54 HighMan Damn pidgin client won't allow for / ignore
03:54 egrsteve and a couple tunnels
03:54 egrsteve even 2 shafts through the whole height of the buildign
03:55 tonsofpcs I know what one of them would have been for... if it is where I expect it
03:55 Monkeh|Lap Wet walls?
03:55 egrsteve once you take all of those in it's not too bad, just a little funky
03:55 tonsofpcs (caddy-corner to the rear stairwell)
03:55 egrsteve make that 3 shafts
03:55 tonsofpcs heh
03:55 tonsofpcs was I right then?
03:56 egrsteve wet walls are walls you can get inside of to service plumbing
03:56 egrsteve define rear stairs
03:56 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: So service gaps.
03:56 tonsofpcs the ones that go up
03:56 Monkeh|Lap You guys have weird names. :P
03:56 egrsteve to where
03:56 tonsofpcs the ones that end at the parking lot
03:56 egrsteve ah, no there is not a shaft there
03:56 HighMan .wallops masterofmonks test
03:57 HighMan Wtf is a wallop.
03:57 tonsofpcs I expect one in the building adjacent to that, between that area and the stairs that go down
03:57 tonsofpcs 11:09:30 -!- WALLOP Martinp23:  Hi everyone. Services (nickserv, chanserv) has now been restarted, which completes the current maintenance. Thanks for your patience :)
03:57 tonsofpcs /mode HighMan +w
03:58 HighMan ..
03:58 egrsteve I don't think so
03:58 HighMan ?
03:58 eadthem man im gonna be 26 in a fue hours
03:58 HighMan What the heck is a wallop?
03:58 tonsofpcs congrats, eadthem
03:58 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: Nothing you can use.
03:58 tonsofpcs HighMan: it's a message sent by a server op...
03:58 masterofmonks eadthem, 26 as a year, completely sucked for me.
03:59 HighMan Oh...
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03:59 eadthem ya i just noticed the time
04:00 lwq1996 hey ynos you here
04:01 tonsofpcs still your turn btw HighMan
04:01 HighMan tonsofpcs: :P XD
04:01 tonsofpcs I still have a few months for it to suck, masterofmonks
04:02 tonsofpcs (just over 2 months, actually)
04:02 KawaiiJess Y'know what we need
04:02 HighMan tonsofpcs: done. I'm gonna lose xD
04:02 KawaiiJess This channel needs a bot that can play out a text based RPG
04:02 KawaiiJess Assuming such a thing exists
04:03 HighMan .define firr
04:03 BotSteve firr — noun: 1. flight (act of flying)
04:03 wannabe1987 this channel has a text based rpg, supposedly
04:03 tonsofpcs North
04:03 HighMan tonsofpcs: Still your turn ;0
04:03 HighMan *;)
04:03 KawaiiJess We need something like you opt in, max a couple players, with shit like "You wake up in a room. There is a door to the south and a desk to the east"
04:03 HighMan NIGHT!
04:03 tonsofpcs KawaiiJess: You're in a twisty maze of small passages
04:04 HighMan|zZzZz 7zip xD
04:04 HighMan|zZzZz Universal Extractor, 7-Zip and Win Rar are all great
04:05 BatSteve KawaiiJess: it could be done, the tricky part would be...eh, I guess everything.
04:05 eadthem cept 7zip has better compression for most things than ither the other 2
04:05 egrsteve just play the HHT2TG text adventure
04:05 HighMan|zZzZz ...
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04:05 wannabe1987 hi
04:05 egrsteve *HHG2TG
04:05 HighMan|zZzZz Night BatSteve eadthem egrsteve SarahM masterofmonks KawaiiJess and many otherrs.
04:06 Noise_Marine joined #thegeekgroup
04:06 HighMan|zZzZz And tonsofpcs
04:06 egrsteve night HighMan|zZzZz
04:06 eadthem cya
04:06 wannabe1987 night HighMan|zZzZz :)
04:06 HighMan|zZzZz Ignore's off :P
04:06 wannabe1987 yes
04:07 tonsofpcs g'nite
04:07 KawaiiJess Did any of you guys ever see that wild text log from like Omegle or Chatroulette where the two people acted out a hilarious RPG
04:07 wannabe1987 no
04:07 tonsofpcs bash.org ?
04:07 KawaiiJess I can't find it anywhere and I can't recall particular details
04:07 KawaiiJess No it was Omegle I'm pretty sure
04:08 KawaiiJess Because the guy doing the RP'ing had to retry a bunch to find someone to play
04:10 tonsofpcs http://bash.org/?835030 is good enough.
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04:11 KawaiiJess LOL
04:11 KawaiiJess That's epic
04:11 KawaiiJess Hi Kate
04:11 BotSteve Title: QDB: Quote #835030
04:11 HighMan|zZzZz tonsofpcs: Your turn. ;)
04:11 Katemonster ...
04:12 Katemonster Why do I feel like I walked in at exactly the wrong time?
04:12 BatSteve you didn't
04:12 KawaiiJess BatSteve was just showing us his glorious cock and now it's tonsofpcs' turn
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04:13 BatSteve you missed it, it was amazing.  it eclipsed the sun
04:13 KawaiiJess See, it was so amazing, people are being drawn to the channel
04:13 HighMan|zZzZz I'm playing words with friends... And gonna sleep
04:13 KawaiiJess Or not
04:13 KawaiiJess Fuck me
04:13 masterofmonks http://qdb.us/306023
04:13 KawaiiJess I have weird powers of jinxing
04:13 BotSteve Title: QDB: Quote #306023
04:14 lwq1996 damit ipods dead
04:14 chris____ KawaiiJess>killed your ipod
04:15 KawaiiJess Viewing BatSteve's stupendous cock has given me the power of Midas
04:15 tonsofpcs Katemonster: http://bash.org/?835030 is what you walked in on.
04:15 BotSteve Title: QDB: Quote #835030
04:15 lwq1996 o.O nsfw please if your having this type of convo
04:16 chris____ i enterd the wrong chat room dang it
04:16 tonsofpcs lwq1996: what's wrong with turning everything you touuch into gold?
04:16 BatSteve hi chris____, no, you didn't
04:16 BatSteve we're just being goofy.
04:16 BatSteve welcome, we're glad you're here.
04:16 tonsofpcs s/being//
04:16 BatSteve tonsofpcs: correct
04:16 KawaiiJess lwq1996, I'm not really sure what you mean. I don't see what is not safe for work about enjoying a nice cock every once in awhile
04:17 wannabe1987 lol
04:17 KawaiiJess Especially one as respected and dignified as BatSteve's
04:17 chris____ so i was trying to make a tesla coil out of a mot transformer however i think i need a second mot and i was already going to add capaciters has anyone made a saltwater cap befor?
04:18 Toastdude I did...
04:18 Toastdude Out of a coke bottle :P
04:18 Toastdude It's not for tesla coils, but it works. :P
04:18 HighMan|zZzZz botsteve: tell KawaiiJess NO.
04:18 BotSteve HighMan|zZzZz: I'll pass that on when KawaiiJess is around.
04:19 Toastdude TGG made a saltwater bucket cap video on how to build one
04:19 * KawaiiJess runs off trolololing
04:19 BotSteve kawaiijess: I have the following messages for you:
04:19 BotSteve At 04:18Z, roadran422 asked me to tell kawaiijess NO.
04:19 HighMan|zZzZz BatSteve: Did you cock get burnt 2 a crisp?
04:19 * lwq1996 sniffs his arm pit, phew!!!! i stink, TOO THE SHOWER :D
04:20 wannabe1987 lol
04:20 wannabe1987 wtf
04:20 lwq1996 HYMEN GO TO BED
04:20 KawaiiJess I'm tempted to go find the Omegle conversation I'm referring to, but my internet photos folder is over 2,000 large
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04:20 lwq1996 :P
04:20 KawaiiJess photos large*
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04:20 Katemonster ...yeah, i don't have the patience for this kind of immaturity right now.
04:21 BatSteve chris____: I've never made a saltwater cap, sorry
04:21 KawaiiJess Man Kate can be a total killjoy sometimes
04:23 tonsofpcs googling for "omegle rpg" returns a lot, actually
04:24 lwq1996 kate is a bitch at times, thats why she changes her nick to bitchmonster
04:24 KawaiiJess I couldn't find the one I was looking for
04:24 lwq1996 lol
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04:27 lwq1996 meow
04:27 wannabe1987 hi
04:27 * lwq1996 purrs and rubs up against wannabes leg
04:28 KawaiiJess Yeah screw it. I'm not gonna look through all 2000+ photos
04:28 chris____ oww my i got lost the geek group has a hicup in there chat
04:28 KawaiiJess My head hurts after 300
04:28 wannabe1987 no, chris____, you lost connection
04:28 * wannabe1987 watches dr who
04:28 chris____ thats because thats when electricity leaps into air
04:29 chris____ at 300 volts
04:29 LeeWQueen1996 son of a bitch -.-
04:29 KawaiiJess I wish Kate lived closer than in the next fucking town over... I'd go kick her face in
04:30 lwq1996 why?
04:30 KawaiiJess For always being so whiny
04:30 lwq1996 id like to kick your face it for saying that, girls are whiny
04:30 KawaiiJess [20:20:52] Katemonster ...yeah, i don't have the patience for this kind of immaturity right now.
04:31 KawaiiJess I'm pretty sure I would know
04:31 KawaiiJess She's just been extra whiny lately
04:31 KawaiiJess And always gets super butt hurt when I make jokes at her expense
04:31 lwq1996 maybe shes on her period?
04:32 KawaiiJess Hah! Yeah right. She only wishes she had periods. :|
04:32 CaptainNiobe guys, the chat is publicly logged, if you're going to chat about a member, can you please take it to pm?
04:32 lwq1996 hey, im defending her, idc
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04:32 BatSteve ...yes
04:32 BatSteve that is certainly it.
04:32 lwq1996 :P
04:32 chris____ well i am going to my maffia war game now going to ice some people you all sound like your enjoying yourselves so much here
04:33 KawaiiJess I'm not really sure what publicly logged conversations has to do with anything...
04:33 lwq1996 .log and she can see anything we say
04:33 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
04:33 CaptainNiobe it means kate can read what you're saying about her. badd thing.
04:33 KawaiiJess So? Why would I care lol
04:33 lwq1996 you hurt feelings?
04:33 CaptainNiobe you may not, but in order to keep peace inthis channel, we do.
04:33 KawaiiJess We put up with each other's crap in person every day
04:35 DruidicSniper night
04:35 KawaiiJess I suppose it is kind of irrelevant to complain here anyways because I don't think anyone outside of like BatSteve and wannabe1987 would even have the slightest idea as to what I'm referring to
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04:36 wannabe1987 night druid!!!!
04:36 wannabe1987 sleep good
04:36 CaptainNiobe wanna talk to BatSteve?
04:36 KawaiiJess Nah. I'm just going back to my homework.
04:38 einball joined #thegeekgroup
04:38 wannabe1987 hi einball!
04:40 ajt joined #thegeekgroup
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04:40 wannabe1987 ....
04:40 wannabe1987 noes not niobe :(
04:40 CaptainNiobe joined #thegeekgroup
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04:41 wannabe1987 yay you both came back :D
04:41 * lwq1996 hugs captain niobe
04:42 CaptainNiobe hi lol i accidently closed pidgin... whoops...
04:43 lwq1996 YAY A LINUX USER
04:43 eadthem i tryed using pidgin for irc a week ago at work
04:43 eadthem just couldnt get use to it
04:44 wannabe1987 linux?
04:44 lwq1996 i like the irc client i use on windows because it lights up when i got updates
04:45 eadthem ya i set mirc to do that
04:45 CaptainNiobe i generally don't have any issues with it (except when pissed off and accidently hitting the alt key then moving the mouse in such a way the program closes :P
04:45 lwq1996 you dont know linux O.O
04:45 injektion 'ello all
04:45 BotSteve injektion: I have the following messages for you:
04:45 BotSteve At 11 Feb 21:29Z, wannabe1988 asked me to tell injektion that yes, i do, but its a cell phone and i will PM it to you after my work is done
04:45 eadthem it also beeps when someoen says my name or other key phrases
04:45 wannabe1987 i know linux....
04:45 wannabe1987 i haven't used it in years tho
04:45 lwq1996 lol your THAT old :P
04:46 Coderjoe This is UNIX. I _KNOW_ this!
04:46 injektion I'm drunk and at a club waiting for a band to perform
04:46 wannabe1987 hi injektion
04:46 wannabe1987 thats cool.
04:46 wannabe1987 my housemates are out at a bar or at meijer buying more alcohol.  they ran out
04:46 injektion I'm Not driving. My BF is
04:46 Coderjoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng
04:46 BotSteve Title: It's a Unix system - YouTube
04:46 wannabe1987 i'm glad you're not driving
04:47 eadthem CaptainNiobe what distro?
04:47 injektion My BF is driving the topaz because he cannot drive a mania
04:47 injektion Manual
04:47 CaptainNiobe ?
04:47 wannabe1987 seriously?!
04:47 eadthem o thought you wer running linux
04:47 wannabe1987 you need to teach that boy some stuff
04:47 CaptainNiobe no, windows
04:48 Coderjoe btw.... that scene isn't fake. at least not completely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ
04:48 BotSteve Title: SGI Fusion - FSN 3d File System Navigator - YouTube
04:48 injektion wannabe1987: Not with a new clutch
04:48 wannabe1987 why  not?
04:49 eadthem FSN?    thats the half working file browser that someone ported to linux
04:49 injektion Changing the clutch was enough of a pain
04:49 injektion I don't need someone to blow 450 for a new clutch
04:49 wannabe1987 you changed it yourself?
04:50 eadthem fsn is a intresting idea but in practicalty  its just a fancy toy
04:50 wannabe1987 http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/watch-a-killer-t-cell-in-action-as-it-attacks-a-cancerous-cell-20120211/    this is so cool
04:50 BotSteve Title: Watch a killer T cell in action as it attacks a cancerous cell | Geek.com
04:50 tonsofpcs meijer sells alcohol?
04:51 injektion Yes I did wannabe1987
04:51 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs: lots of it
04:51 wannabe1987 congrats.
04:51 lwq1996 ok i need a shower, bbl
04:51 injektion See you all later tomorrow pm
04:51 wannabe1987 see you
04:51 wannabe1987 i'll get you my number later then?
04:52 injektion For now I am conserving my batter
04:52 injektion Y
04:53 wannabe1987 ok
04:53 wannabe1987 bye
04:54 * tonsofpcs needs to fall asleep....
04:54 * wannabe1987 gives you sleeping pills
04:54 injektion Who sang little Willie?
04:54 egrsteve is meijer in NY?
04:55 wannabe1987 no
04:55 wannabe1987 and idk
04:55 egrsteve i didn't think so
04:55 tonsofpcs no, not at all
04:55 wannabe1987 but tonsofpcs has been here
04:55 tonsofpcs we have wegmans
04:56 tonsofpcs (and price chopper and weis around here; some places have hannafords and the great atlantic and pacific tea company)
04:56 egrsteve nice, another funny name
04:56 tonsofpcs and tops ...
04:56 tonsofpcs towards the city they have shop rite and pathmark and fairway and 'stop and shop' and ...
04:57 egrsteve we all know walmart based it's orignal stores around meijer
04:57 egrsteve funny, now meijer tries to be walmart
04:57 egrsteve and sad that it does
04:58 tonsofpcs i suppose in that case you could count walmart and target and kmart and ...
04:59 egrsteve but those are everywere
04:59 tonsofpcs where i'm from, people don't shop at walmart.  for years, the google maps view
04:59 KawaiiJess So I live in Eastern Washington and my girlfriend ordered something online which shipped from California. It apparently was shipped from Cali to Seattle, WA and then to Louisville, Kentucky and finally to somewhere in Oregon. She's still waiting for her package... Lol
04:59 tonsofpcs of the region's walmart was a picture taken late on a tuesday afternoon.  Mall parking lots full, 3 cars in walmart parking lot.
04:59 egrsteve nice
05:00 egrsteve you know it was a tuesday
05:00 tonsofpcs yea... they just use USGS orthoimagery, the NJ database says when they were taken...
05:00 egrsteve ah ok
05:01 tonsofpcs KawaiiJess: UPS does that.
05:01 tonsofpcs although I would guess it was originated in Seattle for that to be true....
05:02 KawaiiJess *shrugs* strange business practices
05:03 tonsofpcs it's a lot cheaper for them to ship everythhing to louisville, sort there, then distribute.
05:03 KawaiiJess Oh I see
05:04 tonsofpcs like, if I ordered from that same company, it would ship to louisville, then to a regional center around here, then a truck from that point to the local facility, then a truck from that facility to me
05:07 tonsofpcs mind you, they do have some crazy computer-based optimizations that will route packages in seemingly crazy ways just to make everything cost-effective
05:07 KawaiiJess Like the whole no left turns thing
05:10 wannabe1987 why is dr who so confusing?
05:10 KawaiiJess What's confusing about it?
05:10 tonsofpcs (wikipedia) In 2004 UPS announced that they would save fuel by minimizing left turns. Because drivers are idle at intersections while waiting to make left turns, UPS developed software that routes the day's packages with preference to right turns. Since UPS operates a fleet of over 100,000 ground vehicles,[42] the fuel savings are considerable. In 2005, UPS eliminated 464,000 miles (747,000 km) from its travel and saved 51,000
05:11 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: it's all timey-wimey.
05:11 KawaiiJess The story is fucking brilliant if you watch it all at relatively the same time
05:11 masterofmonks I was just about to ask about that.
05:11 wannabe1987 river song is amy's daughter yet amy is younger than riversong, river keeps regenerating and noone had sex to make riversong
05:11 wannabe1987 i've been watching it the past month....
05:11 wannabe1987 Toastdude!
05:11 * masterofmonks sticks his fingers in his eyes and goes LA LA LA LA
05:11 wannabe1987 ???
05:11 wannabe1987 don't hurt your eyes, mom
05:12 KawaiiJess I think my favorite part of the entire new series is the whole story regarding that captain guy that can never die
05:12 wannabe1987 you'll need them
05:12 wannabe1987 lol thats pretty awesome
05:12 wannabe1987 yet he does die
05:12 masterofmonks Someone just dropped hugely spoiling.
05:12 masterofmonks Yes he does.
05:12 egrsteve oh there was sex
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05:12 tonsofpcs what egrsteve said.
05:12 wannabe1987 between who?!
05:12 egrsteve it just wan't clear
05:12 KawaiiJess Well, yes he does in fact die, but it sure takes a long time
05:12 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: you clearly aren't up to date.
05:12 egrsteve amy and rorry, weddign night, on the tardis
05:12 tonsofpcs ^^
05:13 wannabe1987 so then how is riversong regenerating?
05:13 tonsofpcs it's spelled out, actually.
05:13 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: he explains it.
05:13 egrsteve she is a "time lord" well "lady"
05:14 KawaiiJess wannabe1987, how far into the new series are you?
05:14 wannabe1987 series 6
05:14 wannabe1987 i'll have to rewatch it all later to catch all the little things
05:14 KawaiiJess Have you gotten to the part in the series regarding the head of bo?
05:14 BatSteve all right, time to go
05:14 wannabe1987 face*
05:14 wannabe1987 and yes
05:14 wannabe1987 night bats!
05:14 egrsteve that is the face of bo
05:14 egrsteve not head
05:14 KawaiiJess Oh it's face? It's been a while now
05:14 KawaiiJess That and my memory is terrible
05:15 tonsofpcs "The face of boe, they called me"
05:16 wannabe1987 as he runs off
05:16 wannabe1987 and they're like o.O :O
05:16 tonsofpcs speaking of spoilers....
05:16 wannabe1987 yeah?
05:16 tonsofpcs aren't we due for a new torchwood soon?
05:16 KawaiiJess wannabe1987, I was just curious because that whole face of bo thing was just utterly amazing
05:17 wannabe1987 they just tried to kill hitler
05:17 SarahM-afk now its night terrors
05:17 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: they explain it all before the end of the season.
05:17 tonsofpcs (kinda)
05:17 tonsofpcs (in a timey-wimey way, ofc)
05:18 Toastdude Oh, the season end is good :D
05:19 tonsofpcs You'll love Ceasar Churchill.
05:19 wannabe1987 he's making a house call!
05:20 tonsofpcs if you're still on house call, you have quite a ways to go....
05:20 Toastdude yeah...
05:20 Toastdude that's about halfway through
05:20 wannabe1987 ik
05:20 wannabe1987 i paused for a week or two...i had to clean my room :P
05:21 tonsofpcs all i have to say about house call is that the episode goes a complete different direction than you expect.
05:22 SarahM-afk o?
05:22 wannabe1987 the show plays on sarah...
05:22 tonsofpcs s/afk/add
05:23 Toastdude BACON!
05:23 * tonsofpcs goes to check on words with friends
05:23 wannabe1987 om where?
05:23 wannabe1987 omg*
05:23 Toastdude At my house.
05:24 Toastdude Soon to be in my stomach
05:24 * wannabe1987 flies there
05:25 Toastdude :D
05:25 * masterofmonks mails wannabe1987 a pig
05:25 masterofmonks Baker makie thine own bacon
05:25 wannabe1987 ok
05:25 Toastdude It's turkey bacon... Even better than normal bacon
05:26 masterofmonks Toastdude, I like you and all, but in this you are wrong.
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05:27 wannabe1987 no toast
05:27 wannabe1987 hi astro73|alice!
05:27 egrsteve agrees with MOM turkey bacon is not BACON
05:27 * wannabe1987 agrees as well
05:27 astro73|alice hi wannabe1987
05:27 wannabe1987 so does druid
05:27 Toastdude Haha
05:28 Toastdude I hate pork, so I'm kinda biased... :P
05:28 wannabe1987 hate or can't eat?
05:28 Toastdude Hate
05:28 wannabe1987 no ham?!
05:28 wannabe1987 o.o
05:29 CaptainNiobe why, Toastdude?
05:29 Toastdude I can't stand it... especially bacon
05:29 masterofmonks What about it can't you stand?
05:30 Toastdude In bacon, the amount of grease, and just the taste of normal pork
05:30 astro73|alice i can't stand web designers that don't know how to use CSS
05:31 tonsofpcs I can't stand web designers that think that using CSS to place elements where they make sense but having their actual element order unusable is a good idea....
05:31 wannabe1987 this episode is so weird
05:31 CaptainNiobe pigs are naturally fatty animals.... it's not grease, it's natural fat...
05:31 wannabe1987 why is there a huge eyeball in the drawer?
05:31 masterofmonks It's lard.
05:31 tonsofpcs s/fatty/delicious/
05:31 tonsofpcs s/fat/delicousness/
05:32 wannabe1987 lol
05:32 masterofmonks Also the fattiness of bacon is what made/makes it an important source of food.
05:32 astro73|alice wannabe1987: what show?
05:32 masterofmonks Shocking to believe but once fat was hard to come by.
05:32 CaptainNiobe cattle, on the other hand, are not naturally fatty...
05:32 masterofmonks Cattle produce tallow.
05:33 Toastdude What I meant by grease was fat..
05:33 masterofmonks A much denser form of fat which does the same job only in less space.
05:33 tonsofpcs cattle, on the same hand, are naturally delicious.
05:33 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, So are pigs.
05:33 wannabe1987 astro: dr who series 6, "night terror"
05:33 tonsofpcs note how I said 'same hand'
05:33 CaptainNiobe fat is good for you when it's natural, as long as it's not going overboard with it...
05:34 Toastdude Yes, I just don't like the lard.... idk, I've been raised without pork, and I've tried it and haven't liked it.
05:35 CaptainNiobe fair enough lol
05:35 CaptainNiobe 'spose you can't argue with upbringing lol
05:35 masterofmonks I think I am going to make a nice big shoulder roast next week.
05:36 masterofmonks It has been a while since I have had pork.
05:36 CaptainNiobe masterofmonks: you do, I'M ILLEGALLY STOWING AWAY ON AN AIRCRAFT TO GET TO YOU! :D
05:36 tonsofpcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ
05:36 BotSteve Title: TurBaconEpic Thanksgiving - Epic Meal Time - YouTube
05:36 astro73|alice wannabe1987: And now you have another monster to haunt your dreams with.
05:37 wannabe1987 yes, thanks
05:37 Toastdude Although I did try ribs and liked them...
05:37 wannabe1987 :)
05:37 CaptainNiobe oh, andrew, you gotta have barbecued marinated ribs... choice...
05:37 masterofmonks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Huston#Death
05:37 BotSteve Title: Whitney Houston - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
05:38 Toastdude Haha :D
05:38 Toastdude They are the only thing I like from pigs..
05:38 masterofmonks Toastdude, You have to know how to cook before you can cook well.
05:38 CaptainNiobe my fave is crackling... :D
05:39 masterofmonks Oh dear lord.
05:39 CaptainNiobe what?
05:44 SarahM you killed it niobe!
05:44 CaptainNiobe i noticed, he hasn't even replied in pm... lol...
06:14 wannabe1987 best zombie killing regimine per batman: faraday cage with controls in between gemini and WATCH TEH ZOMBIES DIE
06:19 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by PhysicsDuck.  New videos:   Captain's Blog - 2-11-12 Hanging with Cory and Gibroni( 22.5833333333 ) min http://youtu.be/UlsTrwffLd8
06:20 wannabe1987 Toastdude: BotSteve works and tells the length of the video!
06:20 wannabe1987 astro73 thats pretty awesome that he tells vid length :D
06:20 astro73|alice that's new
06:20 astro73|alice and not me
06:20 Toastdude Yay :D
06:22 wannabe1987 ik.  i'm just saying its awesome
06:22 wannabe1987 i'd tell BatSteve-Away but he's....away
06:24 astro73|alice have BotSteve tell him
06:26 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell BatSteve that the new lenght features of the videos is pretty dang awesome :D
06:26 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when Batsteve is around.
06:27 wannabe1987 "still looking for the perfect valentine days gift?"  no meijer, i don't have a fucking valentine!
06:27 wannabe1987 i don't even have a non-fucking valentine
06:31 astro73|alice *hugs*
06:32 wannabe1987 injektion might be up here by then....
06:32 wannabe1987 he's not even straight
06:32 wannabe1987 :P
06:33 astro73|alice going out with sassy gay friends is always fun
06:33 astro73|alice sleepy, good night
06:33 wannabe1987 sassy? he's more like drunk :P
06:33 wannabe1987 night
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06:34 wannabe1987 i have orchestra that night anyway, and then dancing at the tip top, hopefully
06:34 wannabe1987 yay you came bac
06:34 wannabe1987 k
06:34 Toastdude Can someone please help me?
06:34 Toastdude My computer keeps doing this http://i41.tinypic.com/2l2qtt.jpg
06:34 wannabe1987 with?
06:35 MoxieMike_ gool
06:35 MoxieMike_ what's your computer?
06:35 wannabe1987 o.o
06:35 MoxieMike_ cool*
06:35 Toastdude Eee
06:35 wannabe1987 my netbook does weird shit, but not *that* bad
06:35 MoxieMike_ i had an hp do that
06:36 Toastdude I have no idea why it does that, but it's done it at least 5 times
06:36 wannabe1987 so you have to reboot?
06:36 Toastdude Yes
06:36 MoxieMike_ i wiggled the connector from the screen to the motherboard and it came back to normal
06:37 Toastdude So should I take it apart and do that?
06:37 MoxieMike_ i just had to open the bezel
06:37 MoxieMike_ laptop i presume?
06:38 Toastdude Netbook, yeah. Asus Eee
06:38 MoxieMike_ probably a loose connection or a failing graphics device
06:38 wannabe1987 awww i don't wanna have to tear the netbook apart...:/
06:39 MoxieMike_ call up Asus and send them a pic
06:39 wannabe1987 my toshiba does funny screen things
06:39 wannabe1987 .seen hhrlisa
06:39 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw hhrlisa 10.69 hours ago at 2012-02-11 19:58:03 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 06:39:18 UTC
06:39 MoxieMike_ i've had good luck with their customer service
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06:43 Toastdude I'll try the taking apart in the morning...
06:43 wannabe1987 hi mantere
06:44 mantere good morning
06:44 wannabe1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu-sYH9nQpY  look what kuka did!
06:44 BotSteve Title: Legoland Knights Tournament Extreme Level 5 - YouTube
06:44 wannabe1987 yay robots!
06:46 dr_jkl o shit.
06:46 dr_jkl whitney houston is dead
06:47 wannabe1987 mhm
06:47 wannabe1987 it broke into charlie brown today on tv :/
06:47 wannabe1987 neither i nor my resident gave a fuck....we wanted to see charlie brown!
06:48 Toastdude Btw thank you MoxieMike_
06:51 CaptainNiobe i think i have to get this machine offline and prepare for a reformat... :-\
06:53 wannabe1987 :/
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06:54 CaptainNiobe yeah... but i do have some issues with it, so...
06:54 CaptainNiobe and if my xp disc doesn't work (never lending it out again after the condition it came back in), then i have to run up to a video store in an approaching thunderstormto get it cleaned :-\
06:55 Ycarene Seriously considering deleting my facebook account and washing my hands of it.
06:55 wannabe1987 why Ycarene?
06:55 Ycarene It's just, annoying now.
06:56 CaptainNiobe and i can say goodbye to all my sims, since my nephew never replaced the open for business expansion pack, so none of my saves will work :-\
06:56 wannabe1987 :/
06:57 Ycarene Besides, it really isn't that important of a thing to have.
07:01 * Niobe|Laptop shuts down desktop's pidgin
07:02 Niobe|Laptop heh... same message as when i put this laptop into standby :P
07:02 wannabe1987 things....you seeeeee in a graaaave yarrrrd....things.....you seeeee in a graaaaaave yarrrrrd.....
07:02 wannabe1987 bedtime!
07:03 Toastdude night wannabe-zz
07:04 * wannabe-zz hugs you and LeePod
07:07 wannabe-zz and everyone else
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07:15 hhrlisa Howdy
07:15 Niobe|Laptop g'dau hhrlisa :)
07:15 hhrlisa How are you?
07:15 Niobe|Laptop g'day* fail lol
07:15 Niobe|Laptop i'm good, preparing to reformat my desktop... you?
07:17 hhrlisa im alright. tired as hell, at work, doing laundry. Sucks to be me lol
07:17 Toastdude Hello hhrlisa
07:17 hhrlisa Sup toast
07:18 * Niobe|Laptop has no clue what to say to that
07:18 Niobe|Laptop lol
07:18 hhrlisa lol it happens
07:18 hhrlisa only good thing is I work at a hotel so doing my laundry here rocks. What would be 3-4 loads at home it one here. lol
07:19 Niobe|Laptop lol... that's a plus then :)
07:19 Niobe|Laptop wait til thed little one comes along, even more washing thenlol
07:20 hhrlisa lol Well I already have one kid. He's three. so it will be even more.. yay
07:20 Niobe|Laptop damnit i can't spell on this thing *gives up trying to spell* lol
07:21 hhrlisa Don't worry Gibroni isn't here to correct your grammar.
07:21 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/k54wz.jpg
07:21 Niobe|Laptop lol... it's the laptop and where it's situated, i'm not used to lifting my hands so high (to clear the end of the laptop)
07:22 hhrlisa With out a visual I don't get it... lol
07:22 Coderjoe you have birdpoop under those meaty transistors, right?
07:23 Coderjoe for better thermal transfer
07:23 Coderjoe other coloquialisms I have heard aren't quite SFW
07:24 Niobe|Laptop to the left of my desktop, on the same desk, at an angle... keyboard on the desktop is mostly on the edge of the desk, so my hands don't have to go so high... and, typing on an angle over the laptop's palmrest is a pita...
07:24 Experimentonomen u dont need silicone goo with these silicone rubber mats
07:24 hhrlisa ah ok
07:24 Coderjoe oh. I thought those grey things were metal
07:24 Toastdude Night all
07:25 Coderjoe bedtime for bonzo. say goodnight gracie.
07:26 * Coderjoe departs to the land of dreams
07:27 Niobe|Laptop the only thing i hate about reformatting is digging through all the folders outside of my documents to find everything to keep... lol... sucks... but, it's gotta be done, got too much shit on it...
07:27 Niobe|Laptop goosnight Coderjoe :)
07:27 Niobe|Laptop goodnight* GAH
07:29 LeePod im going to bed,later
07:30 Niobe|Laptop goodnight LeePod :)
07:30 * LeePod hugs Niobe|Laptop, later
07:31 * Niobe|Laptop hugs LeePod back
07:39 dr_jkl blinking ecig battery
07:39 dr_jkl giving me the finger
07:47 Niobe|Laptop might have to set up my other laptop just to play zoo tycoon on while working on the desktop :P
07:51 hhrlisa lol. I'm on here on my work computer and watching crazy stupid love on my laptop
08:08 n1mjf Hello TGG
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08:56 Niobe|Laptop might have to reboot this machine... lol... uninstalling a couple of programs...
08:59 Niobe|Laptop lol... guess i'll brb :D
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09:25 einball uh g'morning
09:26 einball watching cptns blog on a huge screen with my eyes still partly closed because I just went up.
09:26 einball About 7:50 "wtf, angel in TGG AV section? Ghost?"
09:26 einball then the camera closed its shutter xD
09:27 einball w
09:27 einball I neede more sleep :P
09:33 einball he really got the point of an encrypting suitcase :D
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09:54 * Niobe|Laptop curses
10:30 Niobe|Laptop *snorts* FUCK! i must have 43gig of program! O.O
10:30 Niobe|Laptop unplugs external and starts reformat*
10:30 Niobe|Laptop got what i think is all of it, anything else... yeah... byebye... lol... my documents, c drive, program files, app data, desktop... and out of app data, i didn't take that much... minecraft saves and screenies, pidgin logs, firefox profile (didn't want to find the passwords and that lol), few other things over the machine...
10:30 Niobe|Laptop time to format... might be a while... lol... but i'll stay on this laptop throught...
10:30 Niobe|Laptop throughout*
10:31 Niobe|Laptop here we go... :)
10:33 Niobe|Laptop for the record, here we go - starting the reformat of desktop machine... hope i got evrything, 'cause anything i missed is going byebye :P
10:38 Niobe|Laptop crap... forgot to boot from cd :P
10:38 Monkeh|Lap Niobe|Laptop: Fail!
10:40 Niobe|Laptop indeed, how the hell do you boot from cd? forgot... *goes into bios to change boot sequence*
10:40 Monkeh|Lap If you're lucky, F10 is a boot menu.
10:41 Monkeh|Lap (or F12 on some boards I seem to remember)
10:41 Monkeh|Lap Niobe|Laptop: Cprossu will be able to tell you for any board ever made off the top of his head.
10:41 * Niobe|Laptop wonders what she's doing in safemode then. headdesks.
10:42 * BitViper dies laughing his arse off at the cap blog
10:42 * BitViper isnt sure which is more funny, Liz as Betty Boop or Batman as Betty Boop
10:45 Niobe|Laptop my computer is probably going, "wtf? RACHAEL! WTF ARE YOU DOING, GIRL? wear me out or reformat me?"
10:45 Niobe|Laptop LMFAO!!!
10:45 BitViper Niobe|Laptop : dont foget to run SpinRite on it while youre at it
10:46 Niobe|Laptop ok, FINALLY! *sets for full format*
10:46 Niobe|Laptop what's spinrite?
10:47 BitViper O_O
10:47 Niobe|Laptop .w spinrite
10:47 BotSteve "SpinRite is a computer software program for scanning magnetic data storage devices such as hard disks, recovering data from them and refreshing their surfaces." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinrite
10:47 BitViper the ultimate hard drive data recovery and maintenance
10:48 Niobe|Laptop that's not why i'm formatting... :)
10:48 BitViper I feel sorry for Liz having to put up with those to guys all day
10:49 Niobe|Laptop as soon as my desktop is back online i will watch it :)
10:50 * BitViper is dying laughing
10:50 * Niobe|Laptop wonders who in their right mind would sit and read that entire liscense agreement for xp pro sp2
10:50 Electricguy LOL! the minecraft mod for left 4 dead is epic XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0S7cEcExE&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G2803c3cFUAAAAAAAJAA
10:50 BotSteve Title: Left 4 Dead Minecraft Mod Part 1 - YouTube
10:50 BitViper there's a lic agreement ?
10:50 BitViper O_O
10:53 Niobe|Laptop there is... and it runs through a large number of pages... lol...
10:53 Niobe|Laptop i usually save them on notepad for later perusale (which never happens, but they're there if i want them)
10:53 Niobe|Laptop format of c:/ is underway
10:54 Niobe|Laptop i'm going from xp home to xp professional... makes it fun :P it was preformatted to home when i bought it second hand (ex-gov. machine, apparently this particular machine had actually never been used, it was excess stock)
10:56 BitViper shoulda checked for hidden gov secrets
10:56 Niobe|Laptop like i said, it was never actually used... so it wouldn't have had anything on it...
10:57 BitViper thats what they wanted you to think
10:57 * Niobe|Laptop grins - for some reason is not the slightest bit worries she didn't save her terraria gamesaves
10:57 Niobe|Laptop i didn't buy it from the government :P
10:58 Niobe|Laptop lol... i gotta wonder how long the mx updates are going to take me... :P
10:59 Niobe|Laptop ms*
10:59 BitViper you'll have it running by tomorow maybe, if you have real fast internet
10:59 Niobe|Laptop up to 20Mb/s (with an average of about 19.3Mb/s atm)
11:00 BitViper oh wait, its evening for you, so yeah, at that speed maybe by morning
11:01 Niobe|Laptop shouldn't take too long to install each update, it's not "fast" by today's standards, but it's got 2gig of ram on a dual core dou @ 2.33ghz, so... not TOO shabby...
11:01 Niobe|Laptop duo* fail
11:02 * Niobe|Laptop is going to have to find g-site crawler again
11:06 Niobe|Laptop BitViper, how much do you know about computers? wondering, my other laptop seems to have lost its audio capabilities... dell inspiron 8000 running pro, 256mb ram, 1ghz cpu (ram/cpu isn't it, i haven't made any changes to cause it, and
11:06 Niobe|Laptop device manager is showing all drivers good, but with audio and media drivers filed at th bottom under "unknown")
11:07 BitViper sounds like need to reinstall those drivers, either something changed, possibly tried to override those drivers, or that hardware has failed
11:07 BitViper as for how much I know ... well, ive been doing pc's since '82 so ... O_O
11:08 Niobe|Laptop hmm... i'll chuck the pro disk in later and let it run through format setup (did that once before after a fuile corruption occured after i accidently dislodged the battery, was fine after that)
11:08 Niobe|Laptop and... BitViper... I WAS 2 IN 1982! :P
11:09 Niobe|Laptop file* fail... again... lol...
11:09 Nazca oh hell ... Chris showed that footage of Liz and forgot to turn on comment approval on the same day?
11:09 BitViper hehehe, first year of middle school, 7th grade, for me, i was 12. Walked into homeroom saw this strange typewriter with a screen and fell in love. A week or so later I was writing code.
11:09 Nazca I would imagine this is going to be scary
11:09 BitViper Nazca OH SNAP
11:10 Niobe|Laptop HAHA! god... wish it was like that for me, i barely used computers until i got my first in sept 2004...
11:11 Nazca to give you an idea of how long I've been using computers... the first computer I used had a hard drive parking command you had to run before turning it off :p
11:11 BitViper Nazca : how old are you ?
11:11 Nazca 27 next month
11:11 Niobe|Laptop ok. how big - physically - was the hard drive/s? :P
11:12 Nazca only 5.25" ones
11:12 BitViper hrm, you must have been using antiques. Ive had hard drives with parking commands, but none that required manual parking before power down.
11:12 Nazca Tandem 386
11:12 Niobe|Laptop what, you don't go back to the 700 meg towers that were like 4 feet high by 2 feet wide? :P
11:12 Nazca or was it a 286
11:13 * Niobe|Laptop has an operational 486
11:13 BitViper My 40MB hd in my first computer, a 286/12 from sears, didnt require manual parking, though it did have a parking command for maintenance
11:14 Niobe|Laptop i'm guessing it was to lock the spindle and arm/s in place?
11:14 BitViper at the time i figured that HD would last me to infinity .... it took me less than 6 months to fill it
11:14 Nazca stuff that size (physically) wasn't hugely common outside the industry I suspect... I know of them and know people that used them, never managed to find one though
11:14 Nazca BitViper: do remember I'm going back over 20 years here :p
11:14 BitViper Niobe|Laptop : "parking" puts the heads in the center of the hd (or sometimes the outside) in a safe spot and locks them to prevent damage on movement of the drive
11:15 BitViper Nazca : Ive been using and programming computers for 30 years
11:15 Nazca I started using computers around 5 I think, was programming complex stuff by 7
11:15 Niobe|Laptop ahh... ok, thanks :) *once again feels like a dunce for knowing nothing next to the gloriousness of the other irc members*
11:15 BitViper Niobe|Laptop : we all have our specialties
11:16 BitViper some day i'll figure out mine
11:16 Nazca drive heads basically just float on a really tiny bed of air... like a piece of paper being waved around
11:16 Niobe|Laptop mine's in writing... O.O i love techy stuff, yet specialise in writing (when i do it, that is)
11:17 Nazca if you kill the power to one dead it will hit the surface... that's where the term "computer crash" comes from
11:17 BitViper sounds like a friend of mine who i swear is smarter than any two nerds put together, but last i knew she was doing tech writing for ibm. altho I havent heard from her in a few years now =(
11:18 Niobe|Laptop nah, story writing here... talent going to waste :-\
11:18 Nazca modern drives retain sufficient power to whip the heads to a safe spot before the disk stops spinning, but in the old days you had to manually park them ... I think it was generally in the middle because the data per track is lower there
11:18 Niobe|Laptop it's the one thing in my life i KNOW i'm good at, and that i'm proud of...
11:19 Nazca and now you know more about drive heads than most sane people want to :p
11:19 BitViper Nazca : yeah, but there were some i think that would park on the outside, beyond the edge of the disc
11:19 Niobe|Laptop lol... who said i was sane? :P
11:19 BitViper define sane
11:19 Niobe|Laptop .d sane
11:19 BitViper sane is subjective
11:19 Nazca beyond the edge of the disk? that's really bad design
11:20 BitViper Nazca : maybe it was just outside the operational area, and maybe my memory is screwed, its been a few years
11:20 Niobe|Laptop .define sane
11:20 BotSteve sane — adjective: 1. Being in a healthy condition; not deranged; acting rationally; -- regarding the mind, 2. Mentally sound; possessing a rational mind; having the mental faculties in such condition as to be able to anticipate and judge the effect of one's actions in an ordinary manner; -- r[...]
11:20 BitViper yep, we all fail LOL
11:20 BitViper ROTFL, chris needs to post that above gib's and cory's workstations
11:21 Nazca there's a risk of colliding with the edge of the platter when you bring it back in, due to the aerodynamics involved, and if the drive gets knocked the heads could move vertically which would be bad
11:21 Niobe|Laptop what, the definitions of sane?
11:21 BitViper Nazca : yeah. Niobe|Laptop : yeah
11:21 Niobe|Laptop LOL!!!
11:22 Niobe|Laptop 2% to go to format before going into setup (150gig drive)
11:22 Nazca I'm fairly sure I could get myself sectioned just by admitting to some of my mental processes, so yeah :p
11:23 Niobe|Laptop thing is, and i hear it now and then... "what's normal?"
11:23 BitViper Nazca : im sure i could get myself into all sorts of trouble if i admitted to even thinking about some of my mental processes LOL
11:23 * BitViper is NOT normal, that would be an insult
11:23 Niobe|Laptop nor am i... lol... asperger syndrome + my own persoinality quirks :P
11:23 BitViper Niobe|Laptop : same
11:24 BitViper but not quirks ... intentional features :)
11:24 Niobe|Laptop lol
11:25 * Niobe|Laptop still doesn't like the fact asperger is now lumped together with autism
11:25 BitViper well it is a form of aut so ...
11:26 Niobe|Laptop it's different enough from autism that it shouldn't be called the same thing...
11:27 BitViper well, youre right that it should not be calld "autism" but it would be valid to group it in the same category, but with its own proper name
11:27 BitViper (that is after all why it has its own name)
11:27 Niobe|Laptop exactly... why can't it continue like it was, another area in the autism specrtim?
11:28 BitViper because people are stupid ?
11:29 Niobe|Laptop perhaps... though, realisticly, it's more likely they haven't experianced either... i can tell you what my experiance with asperger is like because i live it... i couldn't tell you what autism is like because i haven't... lol...
11:32 BitViper i know a person or three with real aut, and aut and asp are far from the same, despite a common base
11:34 Niobe|Laptop i know one person with autism, but i don't know him that well... :-\ so of course, i don't see anything...
11:36 BitViper aut typically have severe difficulty relating to 'normal' people (among other things). asp are usually mostly able to relate decently (though with their own set of issues). this is why asp is often considered a "high functioning" aut. but the actual issues are different between aut and asp, despite the surface appearance of similarity
11:39 Niobe|Laptop brb (sorry, just had to enter some setup info - i'm sure you know the drill lol)
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11:39 BitViper drill is a good word for the feeling
11:42 GlitchGR morning
11:43 Nazca http://youtu.be/yKWWyEP7Xaw
11:43 BotSteve Title: Puddle of Mudd - She Hates Me - YouTube
11:44 Niobe|Laptop lol...
11:44 Niobe|Laptop hey there, GlitchGR :)
11:47 Niobe|Laptop ok, into xp... on an 800x600 resolution, which looks freaking odd on a 22 inch widescreen monitor! :D :P
11:50 Niobe|Laptop ok. this is odd. no internet connection (it's plugged in)
11:50 Niobe|Laptop this didn't happen last time i formatted.
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11:52 BitViper drivers, configuration, also note that as i understand from previous comments that you are going from standard to pro, they are different
11:53 Niobe|Laptop i'm noticing. quickly. *snarls*
11:54 Niobe|Laptop lahdidahdidah!
11:57 Niobe|Laptop now, i admit, i know i have to go online to find some drivers, but...
11:58 Niobe|Laptop brb, restarting modem...
11:58 BitViper dont have too much fun Niobe|Laptop, everyone will get jealous
11:58 BitViper im going back to bed, bbl
11:59 GlitchGR bah bed....
11:59 Niobe|Laptop but... but... but... Usulks in corner* :D
11:59 Niobe|Laptop have a good sleep, BitViper :)
11:59 HighMan|zZzZz Morning
11:59 HighMan|zZzZz Hey Niobe|Laptop
11:59 Niobe|Laptop morning, goodbye for a minute HighMan|zZzZzq
12:01 HighMan|zZzZz Ok..
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12:04 Niobe|Laptop k. back.
12:06 Niobe|Laptop ok. now i see why i have a problem. therfe's no driver for the freaking ethernet controller.
12:11 einball http://frupic.frubar.net/shots/23941.png y u so fail Prof Dr Katz? :D
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12:12 Nazca wow.... http://youtu.be/C2vgICfQawE
12:12 BotSteve Title: epic conway's game of life - YouTube
12:18 Niobe|Laptop lol... i'm gonna have to go through this machine and install a ton of drivers i don't have... lol... damnit... DELL, WHY U NO EASY? *headdesk* never EVER had issues like this before...
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12:20 roadran422 Niobe|Laptop: !
12:20 Niobe|Laptop hey roadran422 :)
12:20 roadran422 Damn internet, as I was saying on the new xp install laptop, get internet running and run updates
12:21 roadran422 Go to windows updates and download ALL of the hardware updates, it will help you
12:21 Niobe|Laptop i know, honey... but i can't get online on it until i fix the driver, and i think i'm about to do that
12:21 roadran422 Oh ok xD
12:21 roadran422 My internet was wigging out for some reason..
12:24 Monkeh Niobe|Laptop: lol, Dhell.
12:29 Niobe|Laptop YAY! ethernet controller is now driverererered :D
12:29 Niobe|Laptop and it works (opened modem's page with it lol)
12:30 Niobe|Laptop NOW i can probs update! :D
12:30 roadran422 Nice
12:30 roadran422 No wifi?
12:30 Niobe|Laptop nope, no need for it... modem's like a foot away from the tower
12:31 Niobe|Laptop ... fucking ie lol
12:32 roadran422 Oh xD
12:32 roadran422 IE only works for updates (dumb)
12:33 Niobe|Laptop that's all i use ie for lol
12:33 roadran422 xD.
12:33 roadran422 IE Just sucks so badly
12:34 Niobe|Laptop restart number 1... of about 100 :P
12:34 roadran422 o_O
12:35 roadran422 Why are you doing a format/
12:35 Niobe|Laptop done it lol
12:35 roadran422 Why did you do a format :P
12:35 Niobe|Laptop because my machine was acting uup a little...
12:35 roadran422 O
12:36 Niobe|Laptop when a dll file refuses to delete, no matter the fuck what... :-\
12:36 roadran422 That is it? Just but in to linux and delete it?
12:36 roadran422 Unless it reforms xD
12:38 Niobe|Laptop it was on mbam, mbam hadn't launched fior a couple of months (ie, instant errorcrash)... tried to uninstall/reinstall, no correction, uninstalled, found a dll file remaining... deleted all the other mbam shit left behind, could NOT delete that dll file... went to safemode superuser, full priviledges set, no go
12:38 roadran422 Linux? File unlocker?
12:39 Niobe|Laptop couldn't be fucked. other shit i wanted off my machine anyway. don't ever install "perfect uninstaller", says it's free, but then you have to buy it to unijnstall the program.
12:39 roadran422 XD
12:40 roadran422 Niobe|Laptop: Here. I'll help you.
12:40 Niobe|Laptop it's ok, thing's reformatted, now updating
12:41 roadran422 1. PcDecrapifier (If you want to select X programs to remove it launches all of the uninstallers)
12:41 roadran422 2. Revo Uninstaller (If you got a bastard program that won't remove, this will nuke it)
12:41 roadran422 3. CCleaner (To clean temp files and other shit)
12:41 roadran422 4. CCenhancer (More definitions for CCleaner to delete)
12:41 roadran422 AntiVirus/Malware
12:41 roadran422 1. Mbam
12:41 roadran422 2. SuperAntiSpyWare
12:41 roadran422 3. SpywareBlaster
12:42 roadran422 There captain. XD
12:42 Niobe|Laptop I THOUGHT, AND I ASKED ABOUT IT, WINDOWS XP WAS UNLIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF TIMES IT COULD BE ACTIVATED! freaking lying CUNTS!
12:43 roadran422 ...
12:43 roadran422 Captain, if you don't have xp on another pc, call microsoft.
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12:51 mashpriborintorg hiya
12:51 roadran422 Hey mashpriborintorg
12:51 mashpriborintorg what's up
12:51 roadran422 nm you?
12:52 mashpriborintorg yay some faulty Tek scopes did appear onto ebay at 1 euro starting bid... will try to catch one...
12:52 roadran422 xD have fun
12:53 mashpriborintorg there is a weird HP device also, pretty cheap: HP 5005B signature multimeter wft is that thing
12:54 mashpriborintorg 24 euros...
12:57 Niobe|Laptop fucking bastards. can't do anything until tomorrow. :-\
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12:58 roadran422 ..XD
13:00 roadran422 .c 250g to pounds
13:00 BotSteve 0.551155655 pounds
13:02 mashpriborintorg 1 pound is roughly 500g
13:02 roadran422 O thanks xD
13:03 Niobe|Laptop is itg worth buying wondows 7? :-\
13:03 roadran422 What's the proccessor, ram, and hd?
13:03 roadran422 *no hd
13:04 mashpriborintorg some features a good in W7, some a piece of shit, as the printers management
13:04 Niobe|Laptop cpu is dual-core 2.33ghz, 2 gig of ram
13:04 mashpriborintorg *are
13:04 roadran422 XP if it's at those specs
13:04 roadran422 I find it hard to run iwndows 7 at 2gb of ram.
13:04 roadran422 But linux as some would say on here
13:04 Niobe|Laptop it's more than i can afford, but i don't see any other way to get my machine on... a multi-user license is probably too expensive for me
13:09 * roadran422 sniffles
13:09 roadran422 morning tonsofpcs
13:27 GlitchGR I'm sure this has made it's rounds here but just incase i hasn't  http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/demotivational-posters-bitch-please3.jpg
13:28 roadran422 Who's tesla?
13:28 GlitchGR lol
13:28 mashpriborintorg it's our lord
13:29 roadran422 I don't know the elctronics portion nor anything about tesla coils.. xD
13:29 GlitchGR just some russian hick responsible for things like Alternating current electricity.
13:29 roadran422 Can't tesla coils run off of DC?
13:30 mashpriborintorg not russian, czech
13:30 mashpriborintorg http://www.eevblog.com/forum/product-reviews-photos-and-discussion/czechoslovakian-measure-equipment-collection/
13:30 BotSteve Title: Czechoslovakian measure equipment collection - Page 1
13:30 GlitchGR ah, thanks for the correction.
13:30 mashpriborintorg Tesla is still a brand for electronic componants
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13:31 roadran422 Hey Seroster
13:31 Seroster ...Oh no.
13:31 roadran422 ?
13:33 GlitchGR I know part of czech was in the ussr, just not where he was born, now that i'm looking at it.
13:33 * Niobe|Laptop is bugged she currently seems to have no damned sound on desktop
13:34 mashpriborintorg it was one of the most misaligned countries, first one who left the USSR iirc
13:34 roadran422 Ten minutes late for meds. I'm ok? xD
13:42 Niobe|Laptop god my computer is fast when it's not bogged down... lol...
13:42 Niobe|Laptop YAY! I HAS SOUND! :D
13:44 roadran422 lol
13:44 Niobe|Laptop it was the sound driver that was missing, i didn't even have sound on the internet speakers, so...
13:46 roadran422 So how win updates running?
13:47 Niobe|Laptop they won't wit6hout activated/validated windows
13:47 roadran422 Oh true!
13:47 * roadran422 headdesks
13:47 Niobe|Laptop lol
13:47 roadran422 Wait didn't you have OEM version of XP for computer/
13:48 Niobe|Laptop that's been used multiple times on several machines
13:48 roadran422 O... Then don't the other machines have oem keys? xD
13:49 Niobe|Laptop there are 3 copies in operation right now, i can changed one to linux or something, the other is my nephew's mchine... they don't have windows either
13:49 roadran422 Ah xD
13:50 roadran422 That sorta sucks.
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13:50 Niobe|Laptop i think i need to make a cd-rom with all the drivers on it i need for the 755 :P
13:50 roadran422 Haha
13:53 * Niobe|Laptop wonders how to tell which chipset machine is using (there's 3 drivers for it)
13:54 eadthem Niobe|Laptop what are the names of the drivers
13:54 eadthem post them ile explain why what and so on
13:54 eadthem ooo also post file size    that can be critical
13:55 Niobe|Laptop check here (gimme a tick to get the link):
13:56 mashpriborintorg Niobe, with some HP small form factor pcs, finding the correct drivers is a hell...  for the network adapter the give you at least 5 different NIC drivers to download, each one other 100 megs sized, end of all no one of them works...
13:56 Niobe|Laptop http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04
13:56 Niobe|Laptop under chipset... there's 3 drivers, i don't know which one to get (so my monitor doesn't keep annoying me telling me it's the wrong resolution - can't get the right one without the chipset driver installed)
13:56 BotSteve Title: Drivers and Downloads | Dell [United States]
13:56 eadthem with a nic driver you shuld alwase grab the one that has no installer
13:57 eadthem it shuld fit on a floppy disk
13:57 Niobe|Laptop it's not a sff pc
13:57 mtearle_ for the gibroni fans - http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/ford-theater-abraham-lincoln-tower-of-books
13:57 BotSteve Title: Skyscraping Tower of Abraham Lincoln Books - My Modern Metropolis
13:57 Seroster hey Niobe|Laptop
13:57 Niobe|Laptop hey Seroster
13:57 Seroster Why aint you just called captainniobe?
13:57 Seroster I doubt anyone cares you are on your laptop, you are still the same person.
13:57 Niobe|Laptop because i reformatted the machine i'm captainniobe on
13:57 eadthem laserjet printers are the same    the drivers shuld be small  and generaly postscript wont work right   best to get pcl5
13:58 eadthem Niobe|Laptop i need a service tag
13:59 eadthem the websites setup so you cant link anything on it
13:59 Niobe|Laptop hit :drive3rs and downloads", then on the right, "chose by product", choose desktop >> optiplexx >> 755
13:59 Niobe|Laptop damnit
13:59 Niobe|Laptop " drivers and downloads "
13:59 eadthem nope  i need a service tag  or i need to choose from a list of dell proeducts
13:59 Niobe|Laptop second one
13:59 Niobe|Laptop desktop
13:59 Niobe|Laptop optiplex
13:59 Niobe|Laptop 755
14:00 eadthem sounds familar
14:00 roadran422 DAMN YOU tonsofpcs! I WOULD OF GOT 90+ POINTS!
14:00 eadthem think that might be what runs our AOI machine at work
14:00 Niobe|Laptop in chipsets, there's 3 drivers... no idea which of the three i need
14:00 eadthem xp?
14:01 Niobe|Laptop pro (or will be WHEN THE BLOODY THING GETS ACTIVATED! (problems with that, i needs a multiuser license)
14:03 eadthem man
14:04 eadthem thsi is why i dont buy dell
14:04 Niobe|Laptop i didn't buy it new... :-\
14:04 eadthem well i douted that
14:05 eadthem this is TGG  someoene would of diswaded you from dell :p
14:05 Niobe|Laptop lol... couldn't afford a new computer... :-\
14:06 eadthem you need all 3
14:06 eadthem there diffrent drivers
14:06 Niobe|Laptop my second pc was a dell, but it wasn't a pita to reformat like this... was just a simple load-and-go... no need for extra drivers... i mean, shit, i had to go find a freaking ethernet controller to even put the bloody thing online! :-\
14:06 eadthem i think the latter 2 may dupicaet the first
14:07 Niobe|Laptop meh... lol... so get the three of them?
14:07 eadthem or they may just be patches because 1 + 8 != 24
14:07 eadthem ya well with MSI you can tell because it says stuff like  hiperion (aka via's name for my chipset drivers)  or hell they will say chipset
14:07 eadthem or there will be other clues
14:08 eadthem here there clues just tell ya the delivery method is Hard Drive
14:08 eadthem note the last 2 added at the same time
14:08 eadthem that tells me ya need both of those
14:08 Niobe|Laptop ok, 1st one is chipset software installer
14:09 eadthem and the first  if it wasy say 7 to 10 MB id say it wasnt needed  because id just say that they seperated the driver in to 2 exe's
14:09 Niobe|Laptop 24.4mb (dled in about 10 seconds)
14:10 eadthem but because its 24MB   and the latter 2 = 9MB   that means that ither somethings missing from the latter 2 witch are probably just patches   or they shrunk them
14:11 eadthem now for networkd rivers   none of theres are correct
14:11 Seroster Heh
14:11 Niobe|Laptop i just installed a driver and it works, the 755 is online, it wasn't before i installed it
14:12 eadthem for those 3 id do them all
14:12 eadthem oldest to newist
14:12 Seroster Saw the "Houston dead" header on the paper, girlfriend said "wasnt she dead already?" and I said "I bet you fifty bucks she ODed" ...
14:20 eadthem Niobe|Laptop you cant get drivers for your broadcom card
14:20 Niobe|Laptop got a couple of video controllers that need updated drivers for... but nothing ont eh dell site suit (it sure as hell isn't radeon)
14:20 eadthem broadcom wiped out all the windows xp drivers on there website jan 24th
14:20 eadthem you can go with what dell has
14:20 Niobe|Laptop ?
14:20 eadthem but there about 4 years out of date
14:22 Niobe|Laptop so what do i do? :-\
14:23 eadthem http://wikidrivers.com/wiki/Broadcom_NetXtreme/NetLink_win5x
14:23 BotSteve Title: Broadcom NetXtreme/NetLink win5x - WikiDrivers - Wiki-style resource and guide for device drivers
14:23 eadthem im gonna download the 32 bit version and examin it
14:23 eadthem nvm
14:24 eadthem http://download.driverguide.com/driver/BCM5700+BCM5701+BCM5702+BCM5703+BCM5704+BCM5705+BCM5714.../Broadcom/d1802567.html
14:24 BotSteve Title: Broadcom BCM5700, BCM5701, BCM5702, BCM5703, BCM5704, BCM5705, BCM5714, BCM5715, BCM5721, BCM5722, BCM5751, BCM5752, BCM5753, BCM5754, BCM5755, BCM57760, BCM57761, BCM57765, BCM5780, BCM5781, BCM5782,[...]
14:24 Niobe|Laptop ???
14:25 eadthem nvm  dont use that one ither
14:25 roadran422 Having fun?
14:27 eadthem driverguide use to be ligit
14:27 roadran422 eadthem:
14:27 eadthem now they want you to use spyware to download it
14:27 roadran422 What's the model of the chipset or what ever?
14:27 eadthem netextream 5722
14:27 roadran422 Ok.
14:28 eadthem i found them im just checking them to make sure there not say  infected
14:28 Niobe|Laptop i just got the video controller which stops my monitor complaining about optimum resolutions :P
14:28 roadran422 eadthem: I saw you can use the windows vista for xp?
14:28 Niobe|Laptop yeah, no a/v on the 755 atm, so...
14:29 eadthem it didnt say that
14:29 roadran422 NetXtreme I Server Download drivers for the following chipsets:
14:29 roadran422 5700, 5701, 5703, 5704, 5714, 5715, 5717, 5718, 5719, 5720, 5721, 5722, 5723, 5780
14:29 roadran422 Windows Vista (32 bit)  This driver does not support BCM5700, BCM5701 and BCM5702  devices.To use these devices under Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows  Server 2008 R2, or Windows 7, please use the XP or Win2K3 driver above.
14:29 roadran422 Wait... Derp
14:29 eadthem yep
14:29 Niobe|Laptop it's ok honey, the last video drivr fixed it
14:30 roadran422 eadthem: Shh... Nothing Happened.
14:30 roadran422 **/clear**
14:30 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/Broadcom NetLinkBCM5787win_xp_2k3_32-14.6.0.6a.zip
14:30 eadthem Niobe|Laptop  thats been checked by nod32 and its just a INI file
14:30 eadthem extract it and when you go to install your nic tell it you have a driver from a disk  and then find that folder
14:31 eadthem thats the best way to install nic and printer drivers
14:31 eadthem no extra unneeded bs software
14:31 roadran422 NOD32 vs. Kaspersky
14:31 roadran422 What's your choice/
14:31 eadthem go for it
14:31 roadran422 ...
14:31 Niobe|Laptop tbh, i don't print anything enyways, even if i had the ink for my printer...
14:32 Niobe|Laptop anyways* fail...
14:32 eadthem i know my webserver isnt gonna host a diffrent copy for each user   the site i got it from did not inspire me with trust :p
14:32 eadthem http://www.general-files.com/download/gs13bfa4dah17i0/Broadcom%20NetLink%20BCM5787%20win_xp_2k3_32-14.6.0.6a.zip.html  btw thats the source
14:32 BotSteve Title: Broadcom NetLink BCM5787 win_xp_2k3_32-14.6.0.6a.zip - Download free Archives from 4shared.com - General Files
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14:33 Niobe|Laptop for the moment, i think i give up... not being able to activate windows (or get help for it right now) has me a bit peeved... think i'm gonna watch youtube for a bit... lol...
14:34 roadran422 Only if monks added me :P
14:34 Niobe|Laptop no point installing too much atm, i might not be able to afford a multi-user license and actually activate the damned thing...
14:34 eadthem why do you need a multiuser license?
14:36 Niobe|Laptop because i can't activate my windows, it's active (2x licensed) on 2 other machines... and it told me the key had been used too many times, so i called up, when i told them it was on 3 machines, they said they couldn't help me and gzave me another number to call
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14:36 roadran422 Back..
14:36 eadthem ooo so you realy need additional licenses
14:36 Niobe|Laptop and they aren't open for another 7.5 hours
14:36 eadthem ?
14:36 eadthem they dont open till the evning?
14:36 Niobe|Laptop the number i need to call
14:36 Niobe|Laptop no, it's midnight here, they open at 8am
14:37 Niobe|Laptop i'm min australia :P
14:37 eadthem did they tell ya who the number was
14:38 eadthem because you could call the US number via google voice in gmail
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14:38 eadthem it might be free to call us from au
14:38 eadthem corse its sunday here
14:39 Druidic_Rifleman hmmm
14:40 eadthem what up peeshooter :p
14:40 Niobe|Laptop lol... yeah, idk...
14:40 eadthem prob easer to wait  you got 30 days
14:41 eadthem ususaly computers like dell  come with a licnese key for xp on the back
14:42 Niobe|Laptop O.O i didn't think of that... O.O not sure if this one has one though
14:42 wannabe-zz why does my body hate me
14:42 roadran422 Morning wannabe-zz
14:42 wannabe-zz hi
14:42 eadthem you shuld realy do the same for your other computer    1 licnese to a computer
14:43 eadthem or you risk having all invalidated by ms
14:43 eadthem 1 windows update  all the sudden they will get popups and nag screens saying your license is invalid
14:43 Niobe|Laptop well, whadoyaknow? it's got a key... but it's for home, which i don't have
14:43 roadran422 Niobe|Laptop: You can downgrade ;)
14:43 roadran422 Looks like a home disk and another format! xD
14:44 Niobe|Laptop i don't HAVE a home disc, just a pro disc
14:44 roadran422 Ah darnet!
14:44 Niobe|Laptop ... lemme call ms...
14:44 eadthem well now technicaly   you have the license   you might beable to download a home disk    that is technicaly legal  as you have the key and license
14:45 eadthem as long as you dont download one that says anything like    hacked or  cracked
14:45 roadran422 xD
14:45 Niobe|Laptop i'm going to call and see what they say... they might be able to push it for me...
14:46 * eadthem hates ms but still uses payed license keys for his windows installs and dose not condone hacking PSV out
14:46 eadthem well they wont help you with xp pro via a home key  unless they have a magic inplace downgrade
14:46 wannabe-zz church started at 9:30, its 9:46, i'm going to go
14:46 eadthem and i dont think they do
14:50 wannabe-zz be back later
14:50 wannabe-zz bye
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14:51 eadthem wannabe-zz better run
14:51 roadran4221 GOD DAMN INTERNET!
14:54 tonsofpcs hi
14:55 roadran4221 I HATE YOU! I WOULD OF GOTTEN 90 POINTS! BUT YOU TOOK MY SPACE XD
14:55 tonsofpcs and you mine.
14:55 roadran4221 ?
14:55 tonsofpcs you need to plan ahead :-p
14:55 roadran4221 I still spelled the same word XD
14:55 roadran4221 Jute
14:56 tonsofpcs it's your turn.
14:56 roadran4221 vista? XD
14:57 roadran4221 Aides
15:02 tonsofpcs ...
15:13 * tonsofpcs puts his fangs in
15:13 * roadran4221 Get wooden Steaks + Silver Bullet
15:14 tonsofpcs Niobe|Laptop: i don't know if they can do a home/pro force.  They can do oem/non-oem.  I've called them with a non-OEM SP2 install but an OEM SP1a key on a critical system, explained that downtime is reallybad(tm) and they did a version check and determined that it was acceptable and gave me the auth code.
15:15 tonsofpcs but the key for home might be 100% invalid on pro
15:15 tonsofpcs (not sure, never had a reason to try)
15:15 tonsofpcs stakes != steaks.
15:17 roadran4221 xD
15:18 roadran4221 tonsofpcs: :P
15:27 tonsofpcs "ED"
15:27 tonsofpcs for 32 ;)
15:27 tonsofpcs (don't worry... I just played 3 tiles on my father for 60)
15:28 roadran4221 O-O
15:29 roadran4221 ES FOR 51 ;)
15:29 roadran4221 Not enough though
15:30 tonsofpcs hmm
15:31 tonsofpcs that was mean.
15:35 roadran4221 ;)
15:44 HighMan Hi BotSteve.com
15:44 BotSteve Hey HighMan!
15:44 HighMan ...
15:45 tonsofpcs botsteve.com?
15:45 HighMan Idk xD
15:45 HighMan BotSteve: Thru
15:45 BotSteve HighMan.com?
15:45 Druidic_Rifleman .weather oshawa
15:45 HighMan xD
15:45 BotSteve Clear ☼, ?, ?mb, Moderate breeze 13kt (↑) - CYKZ 15:25Z
15:46 Druidic_Rifleman .w oshawa
15:46 BotSteve "Oshawa (2011 population 152,000;[1]| CMA 330,594)[2]| is a city in Ontario, Canada, on the Lake Ontario shoreline." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshawa
15:46 Druidic_Rifleman derp...
15:46 Druidic_Rifleman whats the code for temp?
15:46 tonsofpcs .w Oswego, NY
15:46 BotSteve "Oswego is a city in Oswego County, New York, United States." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswego,_NY
15:46 tonsofpcs .tfw osahwa, on
15:46 BotSteve Unknown location
15:46 Niobe|Laptop how you doing, Druidic_Rifleman?
15:46 tonsofpcs .tfw osahwa, on, ca
15:46 BotSteve Unknown location
15:46 tonsofpcs .tfw osahwa
15:46 BotSteve Unknown location
15:46 tonsofpcs .tfw toronto
15:46 BotSteve 16 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Toronto, CA!  'Where's a Tauntaun when you need one?'
15:46 HighMan .tfwc oshawa
15:46 BotSteve 10 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Oshawa, CA!  'Put on some fucking socks.'
15:47 HighMan Wow..
15:47 Druidic_Rifleman .tfw oshawa
15:47 BotSteve 14 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Oshawa, CA!  'Should have gone south'
15:47 HighMan Happy? XD
15:47 tonsofpcs oh, i'm typo'd :-p
15:47 HighMan lol
15:47 Druidic_Rifleman yeah if my ipod ever un dies
15:47 tonsofpcs .tfw 13760
15:47 BotSteve 19 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND SNOWING IN Endicott, NY!  'NOT FUCKING JOGGING WEATHER'
15:47 Niobe|Laptop what happened?
15:47 Druidic_Rifleman it died from being used for 24 hours with out charging
15:47 tonsofpcs totally jogging weather.
15:47 HighMan .tfw 34208
15:47 BotSteve 40 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Bradenton, FL!  'Freezing my balls off out here'
15:47 HighMan HOLY HELL
15:47 Niobe|Laptop ahh, bettery dead lol
15:47 Druidic_Rifleman yeah
15:48 Niobe|Laptop battery* FAIL
15:48 Druidic_Rifleman was kinda planning to have access to either a USB plug or a wall plug by noon
15:48 Druidic_Rifleman didn't get home after the boarder nightmare tilllike 8 or 9
15:48 tonsofpcs bore.
15:49 Druidic_Rifleman cell phones dead as a door nail to
15:49 HighMan to a human's heart?
15:49 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: if it's anything like my blackberry after that happened, it needs like a day plugged into a high current source and then it can magically wake up
15:50 Druidic_Rifleman yeahdevices don't like dead rechrcgables
15:50 tonsofpcs (mine was killed because i asked someone to plug it in to charge and they stuck it into an unpowered USB hub, sso it drained it all)
15:50 Druidic_Rifleman gonna run the forge today
15:50 Druidic_Rifleman lol
15:50 Druidic_Rifleman I think i had a black berry to feedto thumper
15:50 Niobe|Laptop i usually let my cell run til power off before charging it
15:51 masterofmonks Not great for your battereis.
15:51 tonsofpcs lipos don't really like that.
15:51 HighMan masterofmonks: How do you think I have a almost dead lap battery in 10-20 minutes?
15:52 HighMan tonsofpcs: mention me when you say something that relates to wwf :P
15:52 tonsofpcs i thought it was obvious.
15:52 HighMan :P
15:53 Niobe|Laptop it's not lipo, it's li-ion (just checked)
15:54 HighMan tonsofpcs: oaks
15:59 HighMan Bad idea to leave lappy plugged in all day... xD
16:04 tonsofpcs ma
16:05 Phu 'afternoon
16:05 Niobe|Laptop morning, Phu :)
16:06 Druidic_Rifleman i hate it here
16:06 BitViper we hate you being there too
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16:07 Niobe|Laptop yeah, druid, i agree with BitViper - YOU SHOULD LIVE IN GRAND APIDS! :P
16:08 Niobe|Laptop rapids* fail
16:08 Druidic_Rifleman if i could i would
16:08 Druidic_Rifleman asked a PB buddy if he would beta test a product i wanna make
16:08 HighMan tonsofpcs: swig
16:09 Druidic_Rifleman if i can get him to like it I have an instant success
16:09 Phu today's project: get ubuntu installed on a machine it does not want to install on.
16:09 Phu Apparently, 5 IDE devices in a PC confuses the poor dear.
16:10 Niobe|Laptop slave pins?
16:11 tonsofpcs 5 ide devices on 2 controllers?
16:11 Phu ya
16:11 Phu I got the CDROM on the onboard controller, then 4 hard drives on a PCI ATA100 card.
16:12 Druidic_Rifleman Probly shouldn't be listening to night wish in my state of mind
16:12 * Niobe|Laptop as usual feels dumb in the face of more knowledge and experiance
16:12 BitViper pb buddy ? peanut butter ? *hides*
16:13 tonsofpcs qi
16:15 * Phu looks at Niobe's facebook photos
16:15 Phu nice pussy :P
16:15 BitViper O_o
16:15 Niobe|Laptop it is, isn't it? but how'd you find my profile? :P
16:16 masterofmonks Wait...
16:16 Phu well for one thing, facebook thinks all my friends are via the geek group, so "CaptainNiobe" shows up via "You may know...." secondly, not many people are called "Captain Niobe" on their facebook :P
16:16 * masterofmonks checks again.
16:16 Niobe|Laptop ahh, i see... :)
16:16 Niobe|Laptop you confused monks :P
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16:17 Phu I sense failure to msg nickserv in time there
16:17 HighMan qis
16:17 Niobe|Laptop HAHA! wannabe, you should identify BEFRE joining tgg! :D
16:18 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: Monk Robe.
16:18 * BitViper has a script that auto-identifies for him
16:18 Phu x-chat has a built-in nickserv facility for me :)
16:18 Niobe|Laptop HighMan: ?
16:18 HighMan tonsofpcs: qis
16:18 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: Don't get it?
16:19 Niobe|Laptop i know you friended him, hy :P
16:19 HighMan Why does he have a monk robe and what's behind his username?!?!
16:20 Niobe|Laptop think, hy, think... :D
16:20 Niobe|Laptop as for what's behind it... ask him... :)
16:20 Phu ah... HighMan is the Hy Diep I've heard so much about ;)
16:20 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: I did ask :P But I know the robe relates to the username :P But why?!?!
16:20 HighMan Phu: Yes... Derp
16:20 tonsofpcs wet
16:21 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: ^
16:21 Guest22535 my computer is supposed to auto identify, but sometimes it has a hangup....
16:21 Guest22535 like now :)
16:21 HighMan ...
16:21 Niobe|Laptop lol... poor kelly :P
16:21 wannabe1987 happy now?
16:21 wannabe1987 .seen injektion
16:21 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw injektion 11.45 hours ago at 2012-02-12 04:54:45 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 16:21:51 UTC
16:21 Niobe|Laptop very :D :D
16:22 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: If you don't say... He's gonna be spammed ;)
16:23 Niobe|Laptop there is always the /ignore function, hy ;)
16:23 HighMan :P
16:24 Niobe|Laptop lahdidahdidah!
16:24 wannabe1987 what?
16:24 HighMan Taking a shower?
16:24 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna run the forge but i am to depressed to go out side
16:24 wannabe1987 :(:
16:24 wannabe1987 :(*
16:24 Niobe|Laptop bored, waiting for pc to update lol
16:24 HighMan xD
16:24 HighMan How? No keY?
16:25 Niobe|Laptop fixed :D activated & validated
16:25 HighMan NICE!
16:25 wannabe1987 yay
16:25 HighMan Now, update all hardware xD
16:25 wannabe1987 why did you reformat/reinstall?
16:25 HighMan Too slow and some damn DLL
16:26 Niobe|Laptop what hy said :P
16:26 HighMan :)
16:27 Niobe|Laptop i'm looking forward to defragging it and runnnng glary utilities over it... and atm, NO security whatsoever...
16:27 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: No Glary CCleaner
16:27 HighMan And CCenhancer
16:28 Niobe|Laptop glary is fine.
16:28 tonsofpcs HighMan: heh
16:28 HighMan And as for Defrag Iobit SmartDegrag?
16:28 Niobe|Laptop hy, part of the reason i reformatted was because i had too much shit on the thing.
16:29 HighMan XD
16:29 wannabe1987 i have a fluppy.  don't you wish you have a fluppy?
16:29 Niobe|Laptop i wish i had a horse! :D
16:29 wannabe1987 i sadly only have a fluppy when i'm at moms house
16:29 tonsofpcs a floppy?
16:29 wannabe1987 flUppy
16:30 wannabe1987 fluffy puppy = fluppy
16:30 tonsofpcs a floppy puppy?
16:30 HighMan fluppy dosl
16:30 HighMan *dosk
16:30 wannabe1987 disk
16:30 wannabe1987 you fail
16:30 HighMan :P
16:30 wannabe1987 epiclly
16:30 HighMan IK :P
16:30 wannabe1987 you're still young yet
16:30 HighMan I know what a floppy disk is
16:30 wannabe1987 i'm in the sun :D  i love the sun
16:30 HighMan And I wand a zip drive for some reason xD
16:30 wannabe1987 .tfw tgg
16:30 BotSteve 24 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'Fuck this place.'
16:31 wannabe1987 but its melting anyway!
16:31 tonsofpcs wtf? wwf doesn't accept elo?!
16:31 wannabe1987 does anyone have injektion on fb?  he unfriended me and i need to talk to him
16:31 tonsofpcs you can message non-friends
16:31 wannabe1987 i can't find him cuz i don't rmember his last name :P
16:32 wannabe1987 and he's not bodens friend
16:32 Druidic_Rifleman i am bored
16:32 wannabe1987 :/
16:32 wannabe1987 start drinking! :P
16:33 wannabe1987 no, don't
16:33 wannabe1987 it doesn't fix anything
16:33 tonsofpcs sure it does.
16:33 Niobe|Laptop iirc, injektion was talking about leaving fb... or was that someone else?
16:33 wannabe1987 it makes you drunk AND bored
16:33 tonsofpcs it fixes the "I have too much booze in the bar right now" problem
16:33 wannabe1987 coulda been.  Ycarene is also talking aobut it
16:34 Niobe|Laptop unfortunately i can't check because all my logs are on an external drive atm lol
16:36 wannabe1987 my logs are here and on sarah for when i'm not on the netbook....
16:36 wannabe1987 niobe, the logs are also online :P
16:37 tonsofpcs what are we grepping logs for?
16:37 wannabe1987 if injektion left facebook
16:37 BitViper who's groping who's legs ?
16:37 BitViper O_O
16:37 tonsofpcs grepping, not groping
16:37 wannabe1987 you grope injektions legs
16:37 wannabe1987 he likes it
16:37 tonsofpcs why would that be in irc logs?
16:38 HighMan ..
16:38 BitViper lol @ wannabe1987, you first
16:38 wannabe1987 tonsofpcs: because he spoke of it here
16:38 tonsofpcs $ grep -i injektion * | grep -i facebook
16:38 tonsofpcs #thegeekgroup-20120212.log:11:37 < wannabe1987> if injektion left facebook
16:38 wannabe1987 BitViper: possibly.  he's coming to stay....
16:38 Niobe|Laptop ahhh, ya shitting me... check this out (hang on):
16:38 BitViper O_O
16:38 wannabe1987 what?
16:39 Druidic_Rifleman Gonna make biscuits and gravy
16:39 Niobe|Laptop "under-pressure paramedics are being hit with speeding fines - often for doing just a few kilometers over the limit - as they rush to jobs."
16:40 Niobe|Laptop this is about ambulances
16:40 astro73 isn't that what the sirens are for?
16:40 tonsofpcs and grepping injektion + fb comes up with similar results
16:40 wannabe1987 Druidic_Rifleman: sounds fun. i'll have biscuits for when you get here, ok?
16:40 wannabe1987 what are you doing, tons?
16:40 Niobe|Laptop code 2 jobs, apparently urgent but not life threatening... that sounds like it would require sirens
16:42 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: chatting on IRC, trying to find a word in WWF, thinking about what to have for breakfast, listening to people scrape parking lots/cars outside..
16:42 HighMan lol
16:42 HighMan tonsofpcs: Faukubg?
16:42 HighMan *Failing?
16:42 wannabe1987 no, you're doing some grepping thing and idk what tha means
16:43 wannabe1987 holy crap fail
16:43 masterofmonks .wik grep
16:43 BotSteve "grep is a command-line text-search utility originally written for Unix." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
16:43 Druidic_Rifleman What the fuck
16:43 HighMan ...
16:43 Druidic_Rifleman niobe are you kidding me
16:43 Druidic_Rifleman Paramedics ARE EMERGANCY SERVICES
16:43 Niobe|Laptop that's what the article said, druid...
16:44 Niobe|Laptop but it did say later that code 2 are general non-siren things... like overdoses...
16:44 Druidic_Rifleman how do they quallify for speeding tickets THEY Have right of wayat every intersection SO they can SPEED to get to an emergancy so people don't die
16:44 BitViper um, if im overdosed, i friggin hope theyre using the sirens and lights
16:45 BitViper AND SPEEDING
16:45 tonsofpcs I'll take the darwinian stance here...
16:46 Niobe|Laptop that was the point, i think - code one - the highest - is ultimate priority, immediately life threatening... code two is a lower one, not as urgent apparently ("urgent but not life threatening")
16:46 wannabe1987 i hope they speed for overdoses, thats.......urgent
16:46 tonsofpcs xi, HighMan
16:46 Niobe|Laptop yeah, you would think so...
16:47 Niobe|Laptop though i must admit, some overdoses just make the patient feel a little ill... like me eating too many mints :P
16:47 HighMan tonsofpcs: :P
16:47 Niobe|Laptop damn... 6th round on windows updates and there's another 22 of them :P
16:48 wannabe1987 o.o
16:48 HighMan tonsofpcs: tored
16:48 Niobe|Laptop gone through something like 200 of the buggers so far lol
16:48 Phu well that didn't work. A DOS-based testing CD boots fine on the system, but both Fedora 16 and Ubuntu 11.10 lock up.
16:48 Phu this blows.
16:49 Seroster You talk too much.
16:49 Niobe|Laptop remove a couple of drives and see if it maikes a difference? if you aren't sure on that, it's worth the testing
16:50 wannabe1987 happy fluppy
16:50 Niobe|Laptop and sero? i'll talk as much as i want :P
16:50 wannabe1987 he has a loose tail
16:50 HighMan kjk;jkflasj
16:50 HighMan sak;fja'sdf
16:51 Niobe|Laptop ... and won't spam... lol
16:51 HighMan xD
16:51 HighMan I'm talking
16:51 HighMan Just idk what t otalk
16:51 HighMan See, talking
16:51 HighMan I'm lost
16:51 tonsofpcs wo, HighMan
16:51 HighMan What ot talk about?
16:51 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: !
16:51 HighMan wo what?
16:51 HighMan f
16:51 HighMan ;)
16:51 tonsofpcs Phu: system specs?
16:52 HighMan D AFUK
16:52 * BitViper rocks out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXoqOZUB0MU
16:52 BotSteve Title: Insane FPV plane is hitting human EasyStar hits muni86 Proximity flying in the city Crash tree #11 - YouTube
16:52 HighMan tonsofpcs: GOOD
16:52 Niobe|Laptop HighMan: didn't know your name was Phu :P
16:52 tonsofpcs darn, crapbuy isn't a wwf word either
16:52 HighMan ;)
16:53 HighMan tonsofpcs: ...
16:54 Niobe|Laptop O.O define spammer? (lol)
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Short
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Pointless
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Annoying
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Messages
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Make
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Everyone
16:55 Niobe|Laptop Rage
16:55 * wannabe1987 rages
16:55 Niobe|Laptop see? :P
16:55 NeWtoz Pointless
16:56 HighMan I
16:56 HighMan Am
16:56 HighMan Not
16:56 HighMan Raged
16:56 HighMan By
16:56 HighMan Niobe|Laptop's
16:56 HighMan Rage,
16:56 HighMan But
16:56 HighMan Is
16:56 HighMan Confused
16:56 HighMan By
16:56 HighMan Her
16:56 HighMan Perpostrous
16:56 HighMan Actions
16:56 HighMan See?
16:56 wannabe1987 you're going for negative attention again.  stop
16:57 Niobe|Laptop it wasn't spam, HighMan... take the first letter of every line, they spell spammer
16:57 HighMan Niobe|Laptop: XD
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16:59 Phu tonsofpcs:  It's a VIA C3 1GHz system
16:59 pockitaru hay is moose here?
17:00 wannabe1987 rarely
17:00 tonsofpcs Phu: try the ubuntu netbook installer or debian unstable.
17:00 wannabe1987 moose dislikes irc
17:00 Phu and I'd like to try software solutions first before removing drives, because removing drives involves extricating the PC and that's a pain in the arse.
17:00 tonsofpcs moose was here in the past week.  before that, she was here in the past year.
17:00 pockitaru that sucks
17:00 tonsofpcs Phu: the drives are properly configured (physically), yes?
17:00 tonsofpcs pockitaru: she's said in the past to e-mail her for contact.
17:01 pockitaru i need to ask her about that bansaw blade
17:01 Phu yups. I don't do "cable select" - I like to know where my drives are ;)
17:01 pockitaru ok whats that email
17:02 Phu netbook might be an option, but this is to be a server, so I don't want X and all the desktop gubbins on it.
17:02 wannabe1987 let me see if i can find it
17:02 tonsofpcs HighMan: jutes
17:02 pockitaru ok cool thanks kelly
17:03 wannabe1987 how'd you know i was kelly vs wannabe?
17:03 wannabe1987 lis@thegeekgroup.org
17:03 HighMan tonsofpcs: 10 hours.
17:03 HighMan .bug
17:03 BotSteve To report website bugs, email:  helpdesk at thegeekgroup dot org
17:03 tonsofpcs HighMan: huh?
17:03 HighMan too tired
17:03 pockitaru im a diducer of info ive seen all the vids and pay atention to blog and form
17:04 wannabe1987 if your'e too tired to type properly maybe you should get off irc
17:04 wannabe1987 and i can't understand that.
17:04 masterofmonks wannabe1987, he has amazing powers of observation.
17:04 tonsofpcs he's albequerquean.
17:04 HighMan I don't... ;)
17:04 pockitaru lol
17:04 wannabe1987 i'm in a total of 3 videos, refered to as kelly in each
17:05 pockitaru yep i know
17:05 tonsofpcs you're only in three?
17:05 tonsofpcs you were in two in the past week...
17:05 wannabe1987 yes
17:05 pockitaru and one of them was like 4 days ago
17:05 wannabe1987 two?
17:05 wannabe1987 how two?
17:05 tonsofpcs I think so.
17:05 wannabe1987 i was at the lab once
17:05 tonsofpcs or maybe that was thee same one...
17:05 wannabe1987 ....
17:05 Phu wannabe1987:  yeah, but I knew that was you in the vid too ;)
17:05 tonsofpcs all the bodens just run together after a while :-p
17:05 NeWtoz I've been in 3 videos
17:05 tonsofpcs I've been in 4 videos.
17:05 wannabe1987 yes, but thats because.....i'm awesome :D
17:05 NeWtoz SHOWOFF
17:06 pockitaru you were wering a knee brace this week
17:06 Phu I've been in none, only mentioned in one :(
17:06 tonsofpcs three of those videos bear my name, one is a captain's blog.
17:06 tonsofpcs or maybe i've been in two captain's blogs?
17:06 tonsofpcs (again, all the bodesn just run together)
17:06 wannabe1987 yes....i have a thing on my knee
17:06 wannabe1987 its off now
17:06 * BitViper has been in one video, never spoken to by chris on cam i dont think
17:06 wannabe1987 he had said that to me earlier and i gave the exact same response
17:07 wannabe1987 why must the sun move!
17:07 masterofmonks wannabe1987, because it orbits our galactic core.
17:07 pockitaru lol
17:07 NeWtoz It's kinda of important that it moves
17:07 NeWtoz just a little
17:07 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: no, it orbits me.
17:07 wannabe1987 but my warm spot got cold
17:07 BitViper nobody's figured out how to stop it, or more to the point, the earth's rotation, which im pretty sure is to which you actually refer
17:08 Phu wannabe1987:  that's not actually the sun moving...
17:08 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, you are a super masive black hole at the core of a the milky way?
17:08 Phu that's the earth rotating.
17:08 tonsofpcs actually, they figured out hhow to stop that....
17:08 wannabe1987 yes phu iknow
17:08 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: no, I'm relative.
17:08 Phu ;)
17:08 wannabe1987 i moved....i'm warm again
17:08 masterofmonks Relative to what?
17:08 wannabe1987 his awesomeness
17:08 pockitaru the only way to see a black hole is to look for the light bending around it
17:09 Phu tonsofpcs is the dark matter that everyone's looking for :P
17:09 masterofmonks pockitaru, Incorrect.
17:09 pockitaru no ?
17:09 pockitaru how then
17:09 masterofmonks Quasars are blackholes producing light.
17:09 tonsofpcs pockitaru: you can dive in head-first!
17:09 pockitaru lol
17:09 Phu pockitaru:  when a black hole passes in front of something, you can "see" it
17:09 Phu because the something that was behind it is no longer visible.
17:09 tonsofpcs Phu: right, that's light bending around it.
17:09 pockitaru in absence right?
17:10 Phu I was thinking more of eclipsing, than lensing.
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17:10 pockitaru it would look like an eclips
17:10 Phu sorta... now you see it, now you don't therefore a black hole's in the way.
17:10 tonsofpcs pockitaru: there's some recent discussion of black hole physics.  read up on neil degrasse tyson's tweets and you'll find it
17:10 iSasha Hello
17:10 pockitaru but you can still see the light
17:10 masterofmonks Well more specifically the things falling into black holes emit enormous amounts of light, and at the poles of rotation there are massive beams of xrays.
17:10 pockitaru ok thanks
17:10 Phu not if the light is too far away.
17:11 tonsofpcs Phu: how do you know that isn't just a spec on your telescope? or a non-holeian object eclipsing?
17:11 masterofmonks "holeian"?
17:11 tonsofpcs (yes, I just made up that word)
17:11 Phu I'm loving "non-holeian" ;)
17:11 pockitaru because its beeing squished into a singelarity though thats were that light comes from
17:11 Phu well, I wouldn't say it's the *only* indicator of black hole presence, you would obviously verify it ;)
17:12 tonsofpcs Phu: right, by diving head-first in :)
17:12 Niobe|Laptop one thing i really hate about ie.. ALL THE DAMN CLICKING! *headdesk*
17:12 pockitaru lol
17:12 Phu i meant that it could be an indicator of something being obstructive, and thus worthy of further investigation of being a possible black hole.
17:12 wannabe1987 yay lego!
17:12 tonsofpcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXh9RQCvxmg might have had some such discussions....
17:12 Phu I support wannabe1987's statement about lego ;)
17:12 BotSteve Title: Stephen Colbert Interviews Neil deGrasse Tyson at Montclair Kimberley Academy - 2010-Jan-29 - YouTube
17:13 tonsofpcs either way, it's a good watch
17:13 NeWtoz Niobe|Laptop, the clicking sound?
17:13 tonsofpcs Phu: I don't, there isn't any here :(
17:13 masterofmonks http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/galaxy/quasar_active%20nucleus/2007/37/image/a/
17:13 BotSteve Title: HubbleSite - NewsCenter - "Death Star" Galaxy Black Hole Fires at Neighboring Galaxy (12/17/2007) - Release Images
17:13 Niobe|Laptop NeWtoz: yeah, ie clicks too much lol
17:13 Phu tonsofpcs:  then you should rectifiy this. eBay is your friend.
17:13 masterofmonks This for example is a black hole emiting visible light.
17:13 NeWtoz heh, one of the first things I do in Windows is disable all the sounds
17:13 tonsofpcs Phu: actually, eBay is not my friend.  They pretend to be a bank and steal money from their clients.
17:14 Cprossu one thing I hate about IE.. ALL THE DAMN ACVIVEX VIRUSES! *headdesk*
17:14 Phu well ok, eBay is your shark, but you can still get lego there.
17:14 Cprossu seriously I don't know whwy anyone uses it
17:14 tonsofpcs one thing I hate about IE... crap, I can't choose just one.
17:14 Niobe|Laptop most the sounds are ok... not ie clicking 6+ times to load a page :-\
17:14 NeWtoz I just don't like audio feedback to tell me I clicked on something
17:14 tonsofpcs Cprossu: because it comes with their computer...
17:14 Phu Cprossu:  the thing I hate about IE is that so many network cameras only work with IE and give "Please enable ActiveX support" in Firefox. In Linux. On a MIPSEL box.
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17:15 Niobe|Laptop oh, dw, ie isn't staying my default... i'm still setting up here lol
17:15 NeWtoz I kinda already know I clicked it..
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17:17 Niobe|Laptop wannabe1987: in glary utilities, 112 registry issues found, 725MB of windows temporary files found. machine is fully up to date with only ms security essentuals and glary utilities installed extra. shows you how bad windows is at that lol
17:19 Phu ok geeks.... give me a way to find out the MAC address of an onboard network adapter that doesn't involve booting linux.
17:19 pockitaru mmmm the after work beer
17:19 wannabe1987 legos have to overlap a crack when building a house
17:19 wannabe1987 how is this hard to understand?!
17:19 tonsofpcs Phu: read it off the card...
17:19 tonsofpcs Phu: alternatively, connect it to another ethernet device that let's you probe for it.
17:20 iSasha So guys, I have a bit of an interesting issue: there is this WiFi network that I can get at 91 RSSI if I go onto my balcony, and I can also get it in the middle of the forest over 500 meters away from any houses.... any ideas as to where on earth it is coming from?
17:20 pockitaru lol space!!!!!!
17:21 tonsofpcs iSasha: probably somewhere with a directional antenna.  You can get gps-bound tools to walk and trace Signal, noise, and SNR to give an approximation on location
17:21 pockitaru oo from a black hole?
17:21 tonsofpcs the more data points they have, the better the results.
17:21 iSasha tonsofpcs: that's the thing... I've wardriven (or rather warwalked) on all the streets within 300 meters from my house... and I can't get that signal nowhere other than on my balcony and for a very brief moment in the forest.
17:22 iSasha It kinda spooks me out a bit :P
17:22 Phu I can't read it off the card... it's built into the motherboard :P
17:22 tonsofpcs Phu: there's usually a sticker on the mobo
17:22 NeWtoz easiest bet is probably the 'plug it into a router and check the dhcp table' thing
17:23 Phu that's speculative.... seeing as this board is second-hand and bought from the lowest bidder.... ;)
17:23 tonsofpcs NeWtoz: only if it boots to an OS......
17:23 NeWtoz well, I guess it would of had to get an ip in the first place, so
17:23 NeWtoz ... yup, was just typing that
17:23 tonsofpcs Phu: plug in, turn on, connect to network, does it link? if so, you can probe it on an ethernet (not IP) layer....
17:23 Phu yeah, I'd be happy to look it up in the DHCP logs of the DHCP server, *if* I could get it to boot to a network-aware OS.
17:24 Phu it links... tell me more of this ethernet probe?
17:24 tonsofpcs iSasha: it could be that the AP has a directional antenna and your two points are in side-lobes   or it could be any sort of antenna and it's like against a wall stud or maybe hitting a reflector, creating those lobes.
17:24 tonsofpcs iSasha: have you seen it multiple times in both of these locations?
17:25 NeWtoz Phu, would it be in the bios by chance?
17:25 Phu NeWtoz:  sadly not :(
17:25 tonsofpcs Phu: does the bios support network booting?
17:25 Phu check
17:25 tonsofpcs (PXE)
17:25 NeWtoz oh, good call
17:25 wannabe1987 nomming time!
17:26 Phu which is why I want it's mac address, so I can set up a boot server...
17:26 Phu oOOO!
17:26 Cprossu oh god.
17:26 tonsofpcs Phu: you don't need it's mac address to set up a PXE server
17:26 Cprossu watching the current blog
17:26 iSasha I've seen it multiple times on my balcony, but only once in the middle of the forest.
17:26 Phu you mean the BIOS would send out requests for an IP that would be traceable!
17:26 tonsofpcs just set the PXE server to boot any and it'll tell you the mac address.
17:26 tonsofpcs :)
17:26 tonsofpcs well, it won't request, it'll get one via bootp though
17:27 Phu tonsofpcs:  if this works, I'm buying you a beer.
17:27 tonsofpcs why is it that people across the pond always end up owing me beers?
17:27 Phu uh pass.
17:28 tonsofpcs there's two issues with that:  1) they're across the pond.  2) I don't drink beer
17:29 Phu well... that was a shortcut. If you tell the BIOS to network boot, the NET BIOS declares its MAC.
17:29 tonsofpcs :)
17:29 pockitaru i really want to see the remake of spiderman
17:30 tonsofpcs some of them will actually tell you it in the bios itself, some will tell you on netboot (and will list all in sequence), some won't tell you at all.
17:30 pockitaru its spose to go more along the lines of the comics
17:30 iSasha tonsofpcs: here is a map where I have found the access point (called D.T.C), as well as my warwalking tracks: http://i.imgur.com/a2yXl.jpg
17:30 tonsofpcs iSasha: what tool? does your card report S, and N in some known scale or just SNR?
17:31 tonsofpcs also, are you sure it's the same AP and not just another node with the same name?
17:32 iSasha I just use the my phone to log the gps path and then I looked up on the inSSIDer log to see at what times my laptop could see the network
17:32 tonsofpcs anyway, based on that, I'd suspect that if it's a single AP it's north of the map, in-line with where the road goes into the woods +/- a few houses
17:33 tonsofpcs err, up on the map
17:33 tonsofpcs I can't read the compass
17:33 iSasha It's the default view, so it is north.
17:34 tonsofpcs and downhill, yes?
17:34 iSasha Yep
17:34 tonsofpcs yea, I'd expect it to be up that way
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17:34 tonsofpcs like, north of where that house is in that little clearing
17:35 tonsofpcs maybe a few houses east
17:35 tonsofpcs (maybe a map-height's north)
17:35 tonsofpcs (maybe just half)
17:35 tonsofpcs but your data isn't much to go on :)
17:37 iSasha What do you mean?
17:37 iSasha Oh and that is not a house in a clearing, that is a shooting range
17:37 tonsofpcs I mean having two points and only showing me one of them doesn't tell me much
17:37 tonsofpcs ok, well don't go war-walking in that clearing then :-p
17:38 tonsofpcs and not having any data but ''seen here'' doesn't do much either.  What sort of phone do you have?
17:38 Druidic_Rifleman fucking internet
17:38 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: while it is for porn, I doubt it fucks.
17:38 iSasha What do you think tonsofpcs... a phone, that has GPS and isn't an Android...
17:39 Druidic_Rifleman no it's as glitchy as crap and annoying
17:40 tonsofpcs iSasha: symbian, iphone, RIM, samsung, nokia, ....
17:40 NeWtoz I think we can rule out symbian
17:41 iSasha and nokia
17:42 iSasha BTW, iPhone 4
17:42 iSasha Oh, and my house is next to the little blue arrows
17:43 pockitaru lol im cheep my phones are virgen moble  ha its lame
17:44 tonsofpcs is there not an iphone wardriving app that does this automagically?
17:44 pockitaru tonsofpcs: what is wardriving?
17:45 tonsofpcs like, for android there's some apps that make a map like what you have, showing where somethign is seen, but there's also some that will log the seen data and use it to triangulate the router
17:45 pockitaru o cool thats neet
17:45 tonsofpcs .w wardriving
17:45 BotSteve "Wardriving is the act of searching for Wi-Fi wireless networks by a person in a moving vehicle, using a portable computer, smartphone or personal digital assistant (PDA)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardriving
17:45 pockitaru cool
17:46 iSasha The thing is, the antenna on any laptop is much more powerful than on any phone.
17:46 iSasha Oh, and the fact that Apple no longer allows any wardriving apps to be used is another slight problem...
17:47 tonsofpcs seems to me that the person you paid money for a device has no right to tell you what you can/cannot do with it.
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17:52 pockitaru that doesn't sound right
17:52 iSasha That's besides the point... I just can't figure out where this WiFi access point is located
17:52 pockitaru that would be like paying for a phone to work but you can talk or text with it
17:53 HighMan HATE BEING BLAMED FOR DOING SOMETHING I DIDN'T.
17:53 Monkeh argh hammers.
17:53 tonsofpcs HighMan: you didn't go yet.  *blame on*
17:54 pockitaru no see take responsability and you will be humble even if you didnt do it
17:54 tonsofpcs iSasha: anyway, I'd look in that area.
17:54 HighMan tonsofpcs: I know.
17:54 tonsofpcs iSasha: other option is across the valley.  Assuming your balcony is on the north side?
17:55 iSasha My balcony is facing south...
17:55 tonsofpcs interesting.
17:55 iSasha And 'across the valley' is like 80km
17:55 Monkeh iSasha: Cantenna.
17:55 tonsofpcs is there a downhill region to the south-west also?
17:55 iSasha Yes
17:55 tonsofpcs maybe there :)
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17:56 tonsofpcs downhill is more likely than uphill because downhill you'll have all sorts of odd obstructions that will make it appear in just a few places.  uphill it would blanket more
17:56 iSasha Scratch that, 30km to the other end of the valley
17:57 iSasha But what I can't explain is why I can get it on my balcony, but not within 300 meters away from my house...
17:57 LeePod hey its sasha
17:57 iSasha LeePod: yes?
17:57 LeePod hi
17:57 iSasha Hi
17:59 tonsofpcs iSasha: well, if it's downhill, there's stuff in the way.
18:00 iSasha Yeah there are a few other mysteries in terms of wifi's surrounding my house
18:01 tonsofpcs you also have interference from things on the same (and nearby) channels
18:01 tonsofpcs and while qpsk does work better with some noise floor, it doesn't much like a noise floor higher than signal
18:01 LeePod has anyone here seen the movie rubber
18:01 HighMan tonsofpcs: un
18:02 iSasha Speaking of channels, I'm having issues with DD-WRT and channels...
18:02 Monkeh iSasha: Dump DD.
18:04 tonsofpcs HighMan: wed
18:04 tonsofpcs iSasha: what hardware?
18:04 iSasha Uh, nope. I need to fix it :) Because of the channels issues, I can't get the full speed (I get 130 instead of 300mbps), and other issues... but overall, I can now atleast get WiFi outisde of my house, so I'm very happy.
18:05 Monkeh iSasha: DD-WRT can't be fixed.
18:05 iSasha I have a TP Link TL-WR841ND
18:05 Monkeh iSasha: OpenWRT it.
18:06 Monkeh iSasha: Also you probably can't get 300Mbps because nobody in reality can due to regulatory requiremetns.
18:06 tonsofpcs also, 300 Mbps gets split in half the moment a client connects....
18:07 iSasha O rly?
18:07 tonsofpcs also, why do you need 300mbps?
18:08 iSasha Well isn't it better? I'm a total noob in terms of networking.
18:08 Monkeh iSasha: You'll never get anything like that speed anyway.
18:08 iSasha Right... but why do people upgrade from 54 to 300?
18:09 Monkeh ... actually, it's utterly impossible to with a WR841ND.
18:09 HighMan tonsofpcs: I'm gona lose :P ol
18:09 Monkeh iSasha: Because they can't get 54Mbps either.
18:09 HighMan *to
18:09 iSasha Monkeh: why?
18:09 tonsofpcs because 300 is a bigger number?  because 300 degrades to 54 around where 54 degrades to 10?
18:09 Monkeh iSasha: Because reality has issues with optimistic marketing theory.
18:09 tonsofpcs lol Monkeh.  I like that line :)
18:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: :)
18:10 pockitaru lol
18:10 iSasha I bought this router specifically to boost my range and to upgrade my network to the next standard
18:11 Monkeh iSasha: Yeah, an 841ND isn't quite the ticket for that.
18:11 Monkeh They're great on a budget.
18:11 iSasha WHAT?? I payed 26$ for a worthless piece of nothing?
18:11 Monkeh ... $26?
18:11 Monkeh And you expected top of the line amazing awesomeness?
18:11 Monkeh A WRT54GL still sells for more than that.
18:12 tonsofpcs you're not really going to boost your range
18:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not without some nice antennas and perhaps some less than legal tweaking, anyway.
18:13 tonsofpcs most wifi range in a home environment is limited by walls
18:13 iSasha Ok, then tell me what router I should buy to make my wifi network fast enough to stream HD YouTube everywhere in my house
18:13 tonsofpcs Monkeh: or, ya know, bridging multiple APs...
18:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I still haven't found a comfortable way to do that.
18:13 tonsofpcs iSasha: your wifi network probably is.  Your interneet is a different story....
18:14 Phu ffs... this machine is vehementaly resisting having an OS installed.
18:14 Monkeh iSasha: If that one doesn't, I doubt any will.
18:14 tonsofpcs Monkeh: get a half dozen ubnt bullets and panel antennas and wire them back to a rb1100?
18:14 Phu as far as I can tell the network boot rom is not making BOOTP requests.
18:14 tonsofpcs Phu: tried debian?
18:14 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Heh.
18:14 Phu ubuntu is what i'm trying to install on it....
18:14 iSasha I can't really stream something when my RSSI is -84 dBm
18:14 tonsofpcs Phu: try debian.
18:15 Phu ugh. must I?
18:15 Monkeh iSasha: Yes, that would be a problem and no amount of 40MHz abuse will fix it.
18:15 iSasha O rly?
18:16 Monkeh What's your house construction?
18:16 iSasha So should I buy more of these WR841ND's and use them as WDS AP's?
18:17 Monkeh That really doesn't work as well as you might think.
18:17 iSasha :facepalm:
18:17 iSasha Why does this have to be so hard?
18:17 Monkeh iSasha: Because reality isn't simple.
18:17 Phu apparently this bastard BIOS is trying to netboot with RPL instead of PXE.
18:17 iSasha Ok, so tell me: how do I fix my wifi?
18:17 Monkeh iSasha: I don't know, answer one or two questions?
18:18 iSasha Huh?
18:18 Monkeh iSasha: I asked what your house construction is.
18:18 tonsofpcs Phu: why are you trying to netboot?
18:19 iSasha I actually dunno exactly. Some of it is wood, some of it is concrete...
18:19 Phu tonsofpcs:  the ubuntu installer.
18:19 tonsofpcs Phu: I thought you had a cdrom drive?
18:19 wannabe-nom time....to find my scrubs and change
18:19 tonsofpcs netboot just loads that same image....
18:19 Monkeh iSasha: Internal walls?
18:19 Phu yeah... but when I boot the cd, it locks at kernel load.
18:19 tonsofpcs Phu: it'll do the same thing with netboot.
18:20 iSasha Concrete most likely
18:20 tonsofpcs Phu: try debian.
18:20 Phu well, I was hoping it was locking because it couldn't work out where the CDROM was.
18:20 tonsofpcs iSasha: run wires.
18:20 Monkeh iSasha: Easy enough to tell.
18:20 iSasha Yeah I tried that.
18:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Wires are already run, really, if you're willing to go that route.
18:21 * wannabe1987 has mini m&ms
18:21 Monkeh wannabe1987: Curse you.
18:22 wannabe1987 they're valentine ones :D
18:22 Phu hmm
18:22 pockitaru mini m&ms are cool you can fit 100's in your mouth lol
18:22 Phu apparently, some <bird song> made the newer kernel dependent on a CPU instruction that is only found on kick-ass processors.
18:22 Phu the kernel locks due to "invalid instruction"
18:22 Monkeh Phu: What do you expect from a desktop distro?
18:23 iSasha This is why I will not run any more wires: i.imgur.com/vC5kj.jpg
18:23 Phu the solution, is apparently to install last year's ISO, then upgrade.
18:23 Monkeh iSasha: ... the hell?
18:23 iSasha Exactly
18:23 Phu Monkeh:  I expect better from an iso whose filename ends in "-server"
18:23 wannabe1987 iSasha: use www.xxxxxxx its better :D
18:23 Monkeh Phu: It's Ubuntu,
18:23 wannabe1987 what is this
18:24 iSasha Oh, as in www.xxx.com :P ?
18:24 Phu tonsofpcs:  still reckon debian might do it?
18:24 tonsofpcs yes
18:24 iSasha Those are all the wires running through the window
18:24 Monkeh iSasha: ...why?
18:24 wannabe1987 yes.  but you'd havve to post that in nsfw:P
18:25 wannabe1987 brrb need to change
18:25 tonsofpcs Phu: use the x86 image instead of the 686 image mif that doesn't work
18:25 tonsofpcs they might even have a via image
18:25 iSasha Well you asked about wires, so I figured I may as well show you why I will not be putting any extra wires...
18:25 Phu i take i take objection to an image being named "i386" if it uses instructions not found on a 386 processor.
18:25 Monkeh iSasha: You won't be running wires because someone ran a few stupidly?
18:25 Monkeh Phu: I take an objection to anything with buntu in the name.
18:26 iSasha Oh so now I am stupid :P
18:26 Phu :P
18:26 Monkeh iSasha: .. well if you run wires like that. :P
18:26 iSasha Well how else do you want me to get wires from one floor to another?
18:26 tonsofpcs the solution is to run debian as a server and not ubunut
18:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Debian's not a solution!
18:26 Monkeh iSasha: Through the floor?
18:27 iSasha Yeah, like I have a hammer drill
18:27 tonsofpcs Phu: right, debian has different images for different proocessors.  Ubuntu just claims the image works on everything
18:27 Monkeh Get one?
18:27 Phu debian 6.04 i386 now downloading
18:27 Monkeh (concrete floors?)
18:27 iSasha OMG the point isn't about wires, it is about wifi... gee
18:27 Monkeh What are the internal walls made of?
18:27 tonsofpcs wifi and concrete don't mix (unless you throw a WAP into the concrete while mixing water in)
18:28 Phu tonsofpcs:  I would pay to see that.
18:28 iSasha look, guys, there is a solution to every problem
18:28 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Depends on the aggregate really. I've seen success using different frequencies, but it does vary.
18:28 Phu moreover, I would pay to see Chris Boden's expression upon seeing that.
18:28 tonsofpcs Phu: me too, but only with specific APs
18:29 tonsofpcs lol Phu
18:29 Monkeh iSasha: There's no solution to wifi sucking if your walls are made of the wrong thing.
18:29 tonsofpcs oo, I should send my old AP to be thumpered!
18:29 Phu oo... nice thought. I got a cable router that i used as an AP here... that can go in the Boden Box.
18:29 tonsofpcs Monkeh: well, given a few thousand dollars and some wire, I'm sure we could put together a solution :)
18:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: heh, with wifi in each room, yes.. :)
18:29 iSasha Ok so what do I do to get wifi everywhere? Multiple APs? Then which ones should I buy?
18:30 Monkeh iSasha: Answer the previous question.
18:30 iSasha Which is...? (lol sorry I'm doing like 20 things at once)
18:30 Monkeh iSasha: What are the internal walls made of?
18:31 tonsofpcs HighMan: lala!
18:31 iSasha Almost all of them are made out of concrete, a handful are made out of sheetrock
18:31 Monkeh iSasha: Wifi is not an effective option.
18:31 Monkeh Unless you want to place an AP in each room.
18:32 tonsofpcs if the walls are actually concrete, you can put an AP in each room with a panel antenna pointed away from all the others and map it to 2 or 3 frequencies to get around interference.  This will cost on the order of $600 per room.
18:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Alternatively you can mesh them on the same frequencies but it's a pain to set up.
18:32 iSasha Thank you for noticing. I need it though. The issue is pissing me off, and it is pissing my dad off, who is in turn pissing the crap out of me off.
18:32 tonsofpcs Monkeh: but to mesh them, they'd have to talk to each other over wireless and they'd drop the available link speed, no?
18:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, you can do it over an ethernet link.
18:33 Monkeh Which is where I get to the suggestion I was about to make
18:33 tonsofpcs iSasha: thought!  how many stories is the house?
18:33 iSasha 3
18:33 Monkeh Get some small, cheap APs and put one in each important room, add homeplugs.
18:33 tonsofpcs hmmm... probably not doaable then.
18:33 tonsofpcs you might be able to cover the top floor by putting an AP as high as possible in an attic space and turning the antennas horizontal
18:34 tonsofpcs but probably not much more
18:34 Monkeh You will not get usable wifi throughout the building without significant expense and effort, really.
18:34 iSasha Which APs should I get?
18:34 tonsofpcs what country are you in?
18:34 iSasha Switzerland
18:34 tonsofpcs Monkeh: any idea what power/chan restricctions are in switzerland?
18:34 iSasha But that doesn't matter since I've seen people use channel 14 here...
18:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Err, not off the top of my head but generally you can assume channel 14 locked and max 100mW EIRP.
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18:36 tonsofpcs hmm, looks like the czech republic allows 200mW...
18:36 hiptimtoo hey hey guys
18:36 iSasha Hey hiptimtoo
18:36 tonsofpcs oh, it's an EIRP limit...
18:36 iSasha Yeah I don't think that I'll get the FBI on my arse for that
18:36 tonsofpcs soo if you put the APs on the edge of the coverage area and use a directional antenna you still won't get any gain.
18:37 tonsofpcs iSasha: no, but you generally can't get anything that will do higher power.
18:37 HighMan tonsofpcs: More like tata xD
18:37 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're uh, not in my reg DB..
18:37 iSasha Oh so wait, if I increase the power, I will get better range?
18:37 tonsofpcs yes.
18:37 wannabe1987 .define lewy bodies
18:37 BotSteve Couldn't get any definitions for lewy bodies.
18:38 tonsofpcs assuming the device on the other end can talk loud enough to be heard back
18:38 tonsofpcs (which is where directional antennas help, with EIRP being the same)
18:38 iSasha But that doesn't make sense... I tried putting the power up to 100dBm, and I got a performance decrease...
18:38 hiptimtoo are you guys talking about los and what nots
18:38 wannabe1987 .w lewy body
18:38 BotSteve "Lewy bodies are abnormal aggregates of protein that develop inside nerve cells in Parkinson's disease (PD), Lewy Body Dementia and some other disorders." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewy_body
18:38 wannabe1987 such a weird name
18:39 tonsofpcs iSasha: can you up the power on the other side too?
18:39 wannabe1987 it came up in the church bulliten and noone knew what it was
18:39 iSasha Um.. how do I do that on a mac?
18:39 tonsofpcs no clue.
18:39 Monkeh "The use of 2.4GHz RLAN’s, for use throughout the EEA includes the following
18:39 Monkeh countries and have the following restrictions:
18:39 Monkeh Europe includes, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Denmark,
18:39 Monkeh Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia,
18:39 Monkeh Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal,
18:39 tonsofpcs they're like huey bodies and dewy bodies?
18:39 Monkeh Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United
18:39 Monkeh Kingdom.
18:39 hiptimtoo how does anyone do anything with a mac
18:39 Monkeh Maximum radiated transmit power of 100 mW EIRP in the frequency range 2.400 -
18:39 Monkeh 2.4835 GHz (Channels 1-13)."
18:40 pockitaru im adding driving a formula1 car to my bucket list
18:40 hiptimtoo you know that there is a country that gives everone free wifi
18:40 Monkeh pockitaru: Make sure it's the last entry, because it'll probably be the last. :P
18:40 wannabe1987 time to go to work .....
18:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Bumping up power doesn't always increase range and in a hostile environment like iSasha's its most likely counterproductive.
18:41 pockitaru lol right  without training id crach for shur
18:41 tonsofpcs Monkeh: right, but bumping up power on just one side in such an environment is most certainly detrimental.  But if both sides can go up, it might give a bit of an edge (not much, really)
18:41 hiptimtoo how much would a sonic the hedgehod sega genisis game with case and game book be worth
18:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I doubt a Mac will go all that high if they even let you adjust it, though..
18:42 Monkeh tonsofpcs: iirc those cards are only good for 18dBm max.
18:42 tonsofpcs hiptimtoo: uh... $0? everyone with a genesis/megadrive has it.
18:42 hiptimtoo damn
18:42 iSasha Sooo... basically I need to get a ton of APs and put them everywhere?
18:42 tonsofpcs hiptimtoo: i mean, it's not a bad game, but everyone has it.
18:43 hiptimtoo i know I have had it since I was like 7
18:43 tonsofpcs iSasha: we can't really tell without seeing it.  It might be doable with two or three.
18:43 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I get the idea it won't work very well without a whole lot of money.
18:43 hiptimtoo anyone help making my ubunt recognize multiple os
18:44 tonsofpcs i really need to eat.  I can't be not eating til 2pm
18:44 tonsofpcs Monkeh: as do I, but with an AP of that quality, the possibility that its antenna connections are creating reflections exists....
18:44 tonsofpcs without doing a site survey with proper gear, we can't tell much.
18:45 Phu burning debian
18:45 hiptimtoo i have ubuntu on my hardrive and then I have lxde on the other but It isnt recognizing it
18:45 tonsofpcs lxde?
18:45 hiptimtoo its a ubuntu core
18:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Actually they're fairly decent APs as they go.
18:45 hiptimtoo .w lxde
18:45 BotSteve "LXDE is a free and open source desktop environment for Unix and other POSIX compliant platforms, such as Linux or BSD." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lxde
18:45 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Nothing exciting, though.
18:46 tonsofpcs Monkeh: so are the DIR615c1.  I wouldn't wish them on anyone though because they have so many oddball failure modes.
18:46 Monkeh tonsofpcs: D-Link are crap in software and usually fairly crap in hardware.
18:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: TP-Link stuff (the Linux based Atheros ones, anyway) is quite decent. Almost acceptable with stock firmware.
18:47 Phu I'm still waiting to see a "lightweight" linux desktop that is truly lightweight.
18:47 Phu as in, the desktop is ready to use in less than a second of starting X.
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18:47 tonsofpcs that one is a trendnet product w/dlink badging and firmware iirc.  it's the same hardware as the tplink per openwrt.
18:47 CaptainNiobe BOO!
18:47 Phu oh.... and doesn't suck before y'all say "twm" or similar :P
18:48 tonsofpcs xwm?
18:48 tonsofpcs uh...
18:48 hiptimtoo ill fined one phu
18:48 tonsofpcs idk, depends on your processor ;)
18:48 tonsofpcs I like enlightenment but it's not exactly lightweight (although it isn't exactly kde either)
18:48 hiptimtoo my xubuntu starts in 30 seconds
18:48 Phu well I don't run my P166 linux box anymore, so you got better than that to work with :)
18:49 hiptimtoo and my lubuntu when I could turnit on took about the same
18:49 pockitaru oooooo fictional computer 12 highspeed prosseser units
18:49 pockitaru just saw it on futerama
18:49 pockitaru lol
18:49 hiptimtoo there is ways to get multiple processors
18:49 hiptimtoo get 2 seperate 6 core processors
18:50 hiptimtoo and bridge them
18:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: D-Link firmware. Always been craptastic.
18:50 pockitaru so its not improbable?
18:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Scary, then, that they're the only ones with good IPv6 support so far.
18:50 hiptimtoo nope it just takes some work
18:50 tonsofpcs Monkeh: right, dd and open didn't make it much better.
18:50 tonsofpcs and yes, i compiled open myself with exactly what i needed
18:50 pockitaru cool waht could a comp like that do?
18:51 HighMan tonsofpcs: WHY?
18:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Try a TP-Link sometime. I've been happy.
18:51 hiptimtoo alot of stuff like take a 3.3 ghz *12 core processor and see where it takes you
18:52 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I'm using a RB450G as a router now and a E1000 as an AP
18:52 hiptimtoo im assuming you would need a bigger PSU
18:52 HighMan tonsofpcs: Fap isn't a word :(
18:53 pockitaru hiptimtoo: so thats neer supper comp.?
18:53 hiptimtoo yeah its got to be
18:53 pockitaru lol cool
18:53 Phu ok, now attempting (on tonsofpcs's instruction) to boot Debian 6.04 i386.
18:53 tonsofpcs was there not a via build?
18:53 hiptimtoo my friends mom works for microsoft and has told me they are working on some crazy stuff right now
18:53 * Monkeh wonders if hiptimtoo and pockitaru know the first thing about computers
18:54 HighMan Monkeh: That they are dumb?
18:54 pockitaru nope not really my dad does
18:54 * tonsofpcs wonders if hiptimtoo and pockitaru are different people
18:54 pockitaru yep
18:55 hiptimtoo im not computer illiterate I was a+ n+ ccna trained with the army
18:55 pockitaru theres nothing wrong with imagening thats how great ideas are born right?
18:55 HighMan They are 2 different people, according to a whois that is
18:55 Monkeh hiptimtoo: And yet you've never seen a 12 or more core CPU?
18:55 HighMan Hip Tim To?
18:56 hiptimtoo nope never seen one but the idea of putting 2 six core processors and bridging them could in theory work
18:56 hiptimtoo wouldnt you say thats all a six core processor is
18:57 hiptimtoo 6 processors bridged together
18:57 Monkeh hiptimtoo: You uh, you do realise there are boards with multiple sockets and have been for a very long time, right?
18:57 hiptimtoo yeah
18:57 Monkeh In the (rather limited) x86 world that goes back to the PPro if not earlier.
18:57 hiptimtoo i know
18:58 pockitaru im lost lol
18:58 hiptimtoo so why dont we do that now
18:58 Monkeh hiptimtoo: ... 'we' do.
18:58 hiptimtoo make a comp that has 2 6-core sockets
18:58 Monkeh hiptimtoo: Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
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18:59 Monkeh hiptimtoo: http://www.tyan.com/product_SKU_spec.aspx?ProductType=MB&amp;pid=670&amp;SKU=600000180
18:59 hiptimtoo man that sucks lets make something with more sockets then needed
18:59 HighMan https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/linux_clusters/images/motherboard1.jpg
18:59 BotSteve Title: TYAN - S8812 (S8812WGM3NR), AMD 45nm 8-Core/12-Core Opteron 6100 Series Processors (Magny-Cours) / HT3.0 support ; 12MB L3 per socket / AMD 32nm 8-Core/12-Core/16-Core Opteron 6200 Series Processors ([...]
18:59 pockitaru i have sponging talent
18:59 pockitaru i obsorbe
18:59 pockitaru lol
19:00 pockitaru both usefull and usless info
19:00 Monkeh hiptimtoo: Yes, that will take FOUR 16-core CPUs.
19:00 hiptimtoo OMG
19:00 hiptimtoo I need
19:00 Monkeh You can't have.
19:00 Monkeh Until November.
19:00 hiptimtoo damn ill wait
19:01 Monkeh You also probably can't afford it.
19:01 BitViper GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I hate humans.
19:01 pockitaru why till november
19:01 pockitaru ?
19:01 * BitViper fumes
19:02 hiptimtoo i could save up
19:02 Monkeh pockitaru: Because they haven't released them yet.
19:02 pockitaru :(
19:02 Monkeh hiptimtoo: It's going to be in excess of $1000 per CPU.
19:02 pockitaru lol
19:02 BitViper wait what, who's looking to do a cluster ?
19:02 pockitaru but its cool i wouldnt get it any ways it would just be art to me
19:02 hiptimtoo money is money I can spare it
19:02 Monkeh pockitaru: Plus board. RAM. PSU(s). Everything else. $9000 at a guess.
19:03 pockitaru it would be pritty geek porn lol
19:03 hiptimtoo im getting it lol
19:03 tonsofpcs HighMan: joe.
19:04 Phu well... it's running.... it's slow as hell... but it's running :)
19:04 Cprossu hrmmm I wonder why they used such low duty fans on the chipset @ HighMan
19:04 Cprossu 40-50mm?
19:05 pockitaru hiptimtoo: i wouldnt know what to do with it exept frame it hang it up
19:05 Cprossu decent placement of the power conns for use in 1u though
19:05 Monkeh Cprossu: Supercrapro?
19:05 pockitaru expencive art
19:05 pockitaru lol
19:05 Cprossu Tyan
19:05 HighMan Cprossu: ...
19:05 Monkeh Cprossu: That was a Tyan?
19:05 tonsofpcs we have some machines at work in  2Ru cases, mostly empty, center of the case is a line of 4x 80mm fans.  3 of them failed thefan in the same position in the line...
19:06 HighMan damn you tonsofpcs
19:06 HighMan You cheating ;)
19:06 tonsofpcs HighMan: huh?
19:06 HighMan :P
19:06 iSasha Sooo... tonsofpcs what sorta site survey should I make? Would Ekahau heatmapper be enough?
19:06 Monkeh Cprossu: No, that's a Supermicro.
19:06 tonsofpcs who what?
19:07 tonsofpcs iSasha: the best way is to get a bunch of wireless radios and see what they cover from different plces, map it out, figure out what you need to cover everything that you need, then build it out and tweak to cover what you don't need too
19:07 BitViper here's some pics of a cluster I designed, dreaming, didnt actually make it, too expensive ... http://www.backwoods.org/projects/cluster/cluster-rack.jpg  http://www.backwoods.org/projects/cluster/cluster-pipes.jpg
19:07 Cprossu ahhhh ok
19:07 HighMan tonsofpcs: joe
19:07 tonsofpcs again, not cheap at all.  cheaper to run wires.
19:07 Cprossu I was getting my links confused
19:07 tonsofpcs HighMan: it's slang for coffee.
19:08 tonsofpcs HighMan: also, Ox.
19:08 iSasha Yeah, cause you know, you can connect wires to iPads and stuff
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19:08 tonsofpcs set up an AP for where they're used, run wires elsewhere
19:08 Cprossu though the supercrapo H8QGIF
19:08 Cprossu looks damn nice
19:09 Cprossu still low duty fans though
19:09 Cprossu http://www.darkwarrior.be/supermicro.h8qgif.jpg
19:09 tonsofpcs oh, crap, i could have gotten like 40 more points there :(
19:09 Cprossu yuck.
19:09 tonsofpcs (ok, 17 more)
19:10 Monkeh Cprossu: Kinda want one of those Tyan boards. Kitted out.
19:10 HighMan tonsofpcs: nvm you don't get it :P
19:11 tonsofpcs BitViper: what's violet?
19:11 Monkeh Cprossu: Although, tbh, packing a DP one into a 2U case would serve a LOT of people..
19:12 Monkeh Cprossu: Future TGG project: Monster server to supply VPSes to interested staff, major volunteers, and cool people. ;)
19:12 BitViper tonsofpcs : thats cycling coolant between the two coolers to keep thermals balanced
19:12 HighMan tonsofpcs: loof
19:12 tonsofpcs HighMan: brain
19:12 BitViper blue is coolant to the servers, red is warm return
19:12 tonsofpcs BitViper: won't the cooling system naturally do that?
19:12 tonsofpcs yea, i figured that much
19:13 tonsofpcs and yellow is really stiff power cords?
19:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: MICC!
19:13 tonsofpcs and green is thicknet? :)
19:13 tonsofpcs MICC?
19:13 HighMan tonsofpcs: po
19:13 HighMan *pox
19:13 BitViper tonsofpcs : no, because two of the servers are on one cooler and two on the other, no way to balance between the two coolers. with the crossover, it essentially makes it all one cooler
19:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mineral Insulated Copper Clad.
19:13 BitViper green would be network
19:13 BitViper and yes yellow obviuosly power
19:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/thumb/e/e7/MICCCable.jpg/180px-MICCCable.jpg
19:14 BitViper tonsofpcs : thats all rendered with povray in 3d
19:14 tonsofpcs ccs?
19:14 tonsofpcs seems like overkill.
19:14 tonsofpcs also, why are you not using DC bussing?!?!
19:15 BitViper eh ?
19:15 tonsofpcs for power
19:15 BitViper and overkill is good. thats like 3kw or something worth of thermal cooling there =)
19:15 BitViper not even sure what you mean by dc bussing ?
19:15 tonsofpcs right, each one should be able to handle the load itself.
19:15 Monkeh BitViper: Cooling should be at the top.
19:16 tonsofpcs power them on DC, not AC
19:16 tonsofpcs Monkeh: it is, that's upside down.
19:16 Monkeh Oh okay.
19:16 tonsofpcs I think...
19:16 tonsofpcs it's upside down relative to the flat view at least
19:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Wait, no.
19:16 BitViper Monkeh : i dont want several gallons of liquid at the top of my friggin rack, for lots of reasons
19:16 BitViper tonsofpcs : bussing, ah, and yeah could do that
19:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If that's upside down the boards are hanging on their screws. Bad mojo.
19:16 Monkeh BitViper: And I don't want 3kW of heat being wasted at the bottom of the rack. RETHINK!
19:16 tonsofpcs Monkeh: better ground path! :)
19:17 tonsofpcs BitViper: use a second rack adjacent ;)
19:17 pockitaru im makeing a LARPing mage staff that shoots paint balls in red, blue, yellow, and green for the 4 eliments lol its going good and am fixing to test it :)
19:17 tonsofpcs also, you are already piping liquid in.  just make it ethelyne glycol so yyou don't have to worry about it destroying electronics, just the environment ;)
19:17 BitViper tonsofpcs : well the intent at the time was for this to be a semi mobile rack on wheels, 18u i think
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19:17 iSasha Quick question guys: do any of you use LEDs in your homes?
19:18 tonsofpcs oh, well then you want the liquid at the bottom due to mass
19:18 BitViper Monkeh : the heat would be exhaused away from the stack
19:18 hiptimtoo well guys I aqm off ill talk to you all later
19:18 tonsofpcs iSasha: yes.  I have them on all of my consumer electronic devices.
19:18 Monkeh BitViper: Fail.
19:18 BitViper tonsofpcs : exactly
19:18 iSasha APART from that..
19:18 lwq1996 im watching hot and fluffy- gaberial ingasious or how ever you spell his name
19:18 * Monkeh twats iSasha with a Maglite
19:18 tonsofpcs BitViper: you'd need spacing and such to create insulation layers
19:18 tonsofpcs iSasha: nope.  No one makes decent LEDs for lighting.
19:19 iSasha :O I take that as an insult
19:19 lwq1996 monkeh did you hit with with the 3ft version?
19:19 BitViper tonsofpcs : i had never gotten into that level of design, just general layout and what hardware I was considering
19:19 BitViper same regarding dc bussing, which idea i like
19:19 Monkeh lwq1996: No, don't need one that big with modern batteries :P
19:19 tonsofpcs I use the GE version of these: http://heatball.de/
19:19 BotSteve Title: Heatball :: Home
19:19 lwq1996 i want one of those
19:19 tonsofpcs mind you, they sell them as lightbulbs here.
19:20 pockitaru is any one els in to LARPing?
19:20 tonsofpcs pockitaru: larpers larp.
19:20 pockitaru lol
19:20 iSasha BTW, if *someone* sponsored TGG with LED lights, would you buy LEDs from that company?
19:20 pockitaru or also known as boffing
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19:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Presently I'm planning to replace my existing lighting with 28W CFLs.
19:21 tonsofpcs POW!
19:21 tonsofpcs HighMan: ^^
19:21 tonsofpcs iSasha: for lighting? nope.
19:21 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I'm sorry.
19:21 tonsofpcs I need to replace these three CFLs with incandescents...
19:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ah, but I think you're thinking of the wrong CFL. :P
19:21 tonsofpcs they replaced the fixture in my bedroom and put CFLs in it.
19:22 iSasha What if they were free shipping and really good quality?
19:22 tonsofpcs iSasha: LEDs don't create full spectrum light and, being diodes, they create noise.
19:23 tonsofpcs even sponsoring TGG can't rewrite physics.
19:23 HighMan xD
19:23 iSasha Electromagnetic noise? I have never encountered that before with just the LEDs. I think that low quality power supplies have much more noise.
19:23 tonsofpcs ugh, bbiab, i really need to eat something
19:24 HighMan I'm not feeling the ZEN tonsofpcs
19:25 BitViper how do diodes create noise, and i believe i have heard of a company or two who specialize in special led racks designed to produce white light suitable for studios
19:25 BitViper i believe twit.tv uses such light racks
19:25 BitViper or used
19:26 BitViper tonsofpcs : eat something for me too
19:26 tonsofpcs BitViper: ok, poptarts for me, waffles for you.
19:26 BitViper sounds good
19:26 tonsofpcs iSasha: I've played with LED systems designed for video and color-matching.  They still make odd-colored light
19:26 HighMan xD
19:27 tonsofpcs and yes, you can feed LED lamps DC, but the ones they sell for home lighting have their own rectifier stacks (or use the LED as part of the rectifier) and make all sorts of noise[1~
19:27 tonsofpcs the ones with separate DC supplies don't have a good means of integration in an existing home.
19:27 HighMan OMG! I REMEMBER THIS! WORD 2003! http://www.damnlol.com/i/f3876f59e71c473cd27e9a4bca28d33f.jpg
19:27 pockitaru ooo another for the bucket list i want to build my own 1 man hellecopter
19:27 tonsofpcs If i were redoing the electrical in a room or a home or building from scratch, I might prewire DC supplies, but the color is still wrong
19:28 iSasha I agree that LED lightbulbs aren't perfect yet, so I would usually recommend people to replace their light fixtures with high power LED strips in aluminum profiles.
19:28 tonsofpcs HighMan: I remember when clippy was new....
19:28 HighMan tonsofpcs: XD
19:28 iSasha tonsofpcs: which systems exactly?
19:29 tonsofpcs HighMan: CHEAT!
19:29 HighMan ::P
19:29 tonsofpcs iSasha: erm, everything at NAB in 2010...  Rosco's is probably the best but it still has issues with the blue part of the spectrum.
19:29 HighMan tonsofpcs: If you do cheat i'm going to CLOTerize yur Pe***.
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19:30 iSasha Oh gawd most of the people there must be just reselling LEDs directly from China. The only company that I've seen innovate was LitePanels
19:31 iSasha Even though they're just rebranding an existing technology with fancier looks and features
19:31 tonsofpcs zylight has an interesting product, but it's R/G/B/A mixing, so it isn't anywhere near full spectrum
19:31 tonsofpcs rosco is doing better than lightpanels imo.
19:32 * Monkeh will just stick to primarily fluorescent lighting
19:32 tonsofpcs mind you, they integrate their filtering into the system
19:32 tonsofpcs the lightpanels are crazy bright for what they do though
19:32 iSasha litepanels are just fancy versions of LED panels
19:33 tonsofpcs I haven't played with the new ETC stuff yet, but they aren't really going for white, they're going for theatrical coloring
19:33 tonsofpcs iSasha: I do like their focusability.  It was cute having the salesman turn from flood to spot 2' from me ;)
19:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: How many decades do these take to recoup their installation costs? :)
19:34 iSasha Just checked out Rosco's stuff, and yep, they got it directly from China. I can get those sorts of things for less than 100$
19:34 iSasha Monkeh: actually very quickly. It ofc depends on where you buy them, and at what price, but usually in less than a decade.
19:35 * Monkeh will just stick to primarily fluorescent lighting
19:36 * iSasha wont stick with old lighting because over the lifetime of an LED bulb, you will save a ton of money
19:36 tonsofpcs now, i do want those color wash ones for work though, much cheaper and higher output and less energy than using three 1kW cyc lights with R/G/B filters
19:37 tonsofpcs iSasha: I would bet that the rosco panels have 'filters' baked-on and aren't the same as the dirt cheap import crap
19:37 tonsofpcs they're also much cleaner light.
19:37 HighMan I'LL STOP IN THE NAME OF INJUSTICE!
19:39 iSasha ^ hey don't say that... I really hate it when people automatically assume that cheap things from china are crap when they haven't even used one.
19:39 HighMan ...
19:39 pockitaru what a condom lol
19:39 HighMan Most cheap things are, as said by tonsofpcs my dc charger was inbetwen ac and dc xD
19:39 pockitaru hahahaha
19:39 HighMan pockitaru: no.
19:39 tonsofpcs iSasha: there's cheap ones that aren't crap too.  Note how I specified.
19:39 tonsofpcs HighMan: huh?
19:40 tonsofpcs HighMan: tire.  oh, wait, no, i put those letters vertical ;)
19:40 HighMan tonsofpcs: Either it was you or someone that told me my gba charger was shit.
19:40 tonsofpcs P v ~P !!!!!
19:40 tonsofpcs (it was not I)
19:40 HighMan Wha?
19:40 HighMan Oh xD
19:41 iSasha Well I dunno... the LED panels that I have installed this past summer are from China, and are slightly more than 100$, but they're still very good. The only problem was with the swiss PIR sensors that had a 1 in 10 failure rate.
19:41 pockitaru has anyone played skyrim yet? it is so bad ass
19:41 HighMan No/
19:41 pockitaru im playing now
19:41 tonsofpcs i wouldn't call the $100 ones 'cheap import crap'
19:41 tonsofpcs the $10 ones, yes.
19:42 pockitaru its as addicting as crack lol i wouldnt know :)
19:42 tonsofpcs pockitaru: buy it for me?
19:42 pockitaru tonsofpcs: lol its gone down to like $40
19:45 tonsofpcs I need steam on my tablet :-p
19:45 Seroster Aww crap
19:46 iSasha 10$ led panels? I'm talking about LED panels that replace 2 or 4 fluorescent tubes, not something else
19:47 tonsofpcs link?
19:48 iSasha http://naturesperspective.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Cost-of-Electricity.jpg
19:48 tonsofpcs for a tube replacement lamp?
19:48 tonsofpcs /fixture
19:48 iSasha Oh wait, wrong link
19:48 iSasha http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/201011/China_86W_Indoor_Lighting_Square_Led_Panel_Light_Lamp201011271201246.jpg
19:48 tonsofpcs well, I'm not suggesting you use HMI lighting at home either....
19:49 tonsofpcs interesting.  What are the dimensions on that?
19:49 pockitaru hmi?
19:50 tonsofpcs metal halaide HIDs
19:50 pockitaru o cool
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19:51 iSasha There are several different dimensions
19:51 pockitaru dont know bout that but i made a coffee table that has LED glass top were the light can bee set to follow you around it and sence when your neer it to turn on
19:51 tonsofpcs edge-lit?
19:51 pockitaru :)
19:52 pockitaru well it can be on or off and motion sence
19:52 pockitaru toggle switch
19:53 pockitaru thats the kind of electronics i do
19:53 pockitaru neet and fun
19:53 iiSasha Such as 30*30, 30*60, 60*60, 30*150 and several others. The dimensions are in CM, and they are meant to fit into drywall replacing directly fluorescent fixtures.
19:54 iiSasha And yes, LED panels are edge-lit. However there are some high power ones that are complety covered with leds under the glass.
19:55 pockitaru the table i made is multy colored :)
19:55 tonsofpcs how much is a 30*150?
19:55 tonsofpcs and what's the light output like?
19:55 pockitaru like a really good drug trip lol
19:55 pockitaru soft
19:56 pockitaru well i foged the glass so it distributes evely
19:56 iiSasha Let me check. However the prices do vary.
19:56 pockitaru fogged*
20:08 lwq1996 OUCH UCK
20:09 lwq1996 I POPED MY ARM OUT OF PLACE
20:09 tonsofpcs note: teamviewer android app is crap.  I like that they have tap-hold drag, but the tablet should be a direct pointing device not relative....
20:09 iiSasha Sorry, I fudged up a bit. It is 30*120 CM, and it costs 170$
20:09 tonsofpcs any specs on the output?
20:10 tonsofpcs (120 seems more sane anyway)
20:10 iiSasha 4000 lumen
20:11 iiSasha But I've seen up to 6000 lumen for that size.
20:12 pockitaru mmmm poor food bologna sandwiches lol
20:12 iiSasha What other specs do you want?
20:13 HighMan lwq1996: Gonna be ok?
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20:16 TheGamerGeek Nyan Cat.
20:17 Seroster You talk too much.
20:17 pockitaru lol
20:17 TheGamerGeek This was my first sentence in this IRC..
20:17 tonsofpcs do they spec illuminance? (lux or fc)
20:17 TheGamerGeek Or were you talking to someone else?
20:17 pockitaru ha
20:17 CaptainNiobe TheGamerGeek: he's being an ass, dw about it lol
20:18 iiSasha No but I will be writing a research paper about that in the next few months.
20:18 tonsofpcs got a light meter handy? :)
20:18 TheGamerGeek Ok, thx.
20:18 TheGamerGeek Hey, does tgg have a Minecraft server?
20:18 tonsofpcs .mc
20:18 CaptainNiobe :) if you hang around, you'll get used to sero, he's a good guy... :)
20:18 tonsofpcs .minecraft
20:18 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Legacy TGG minecraft server: gamerxreviews.net:25565. Server Status: UP
20:18 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Cprossu's minecraft server: 72.222.196.252:25565. Server Status: UP
20:19 tonsofpcs TheGamerGeek: no.  Two.
20:19 TheGamerGeek Ok.
20:19 pockitaru lol
20:19 iiSasha No, but more importantly I don't have one of these panels at hand.
20:19 tonsofpcs I think evveryone uses cprossu's
20:19 tonsofpcs idk, i don't mc
20:19 CaptainNiobe i need to reinstall it lol
20:19 tonsofpcs iiSasha: well, I'm trying to make some sense of 4000 lumen from a planar source....
20:20 tonsofpcs CaptainNiobe: no, you don't!
20:20 CaptainNiobe yeah i do, tonsofpcs! :D
20:20 pockitaru im wacking AV when nature calls i stupider doing this but its good to unplug sometimes lol
20:21 iiSasha Tonsofpcs: great! But I have no clue what a planner source is!
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20:21 tonsofpcs iiSasha: that fixture, the light is essentially emmitted by a plane, as opposed to a simple lamp where the light is essentially emitted by a point
20:22 tonsofpcs I mean, if I were trying to light the outside of something on the scale of a skyscraper, i could pretend it is a point source, but indoors a few feet from it, it most definitely isn't
20:23 iiSasha Oh, right. It is just like fluorescent fixtures.
20:23 tonsofpcs ya
20:23 tonsofpcs well
20:23 tonsofpcs those are line-sources
20:23 tonsofpcs but then you put a diffuser on and it becomes planar
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20:24 CaptainNiobe wb, TheGamerGeek... nick change?
20:24 TheGamerGeek Yeah.  Problem
20:25 CaptainNiobe type /nick NewNickhere
20:25 CaptainNiobe no need to relog
20:25 iiSasha So what is so hard to understand about a 4000 kumen planar light source?
20:27 tonsofpcs how much light it casts...
20:27 tonsofpcs we don't generally look at lights for their brightness, but how much light hits an area from them....
20:27 pockitaru lots lets hope
20:27 lwq1996 my dad just asked what a milf was XD
20:28 tonsofpcs lwq1996: and you answered "I don't know", right?
20:28 pockitaru rotflmao
20:28 pockitaru thas funny
20:28 pockitaru :D
20:29 lwq1996 i didnt even say anything busted out laughing
20:29 pockitaru haha thats a normal reaction
20:29 pockitaru lol
20:30 pockitaru id laugh if my mom asked the same Q
20:30 lwq1996 lol
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20:32 DruidicSniper i am bored
20:33 pockitaru lwq1996: thas ok friend on FB said he was DTF and his mom asked what that was and he said "doing the facebook" big fat lie then she responded that well then im DTF too
20:39 iiSasha Oh god beer and chocolate doesn't mix well!
20:39 KB3NZQ are the any of the walls in the Show Control room (air compresser)  exterier? if so then why is captian routing the air compresser drain through the mdh
20:39 KB3NZQ ?
20:47 pockitaru KB3NZQ: to leed the exost outside
20:48 KB3NZQ i know that but what i'm asking is are any of the walls in that room exterier walls ?
20:49 pockitaru KB3NZQ: no and there is a lot of crape in the moisture that coms from compressers that can gunk up small drains
20:49 pockitaru *comes*
20:49 tonsofpcs which room is show control? the one that overlooks MDH or the one below where tehy put the equipment for the proj?
20:49 KB3NZQ i know that too i use air compressers on a daily basis
20:50 KB3NZQ the projector room tonsofpcs
20:51 tonsofpcs KB3NZQ: no, no exterior walls
20:51 KB3NZQ ok
20:52 pockitaru its at least 40' from an exterior wall isnt it?
20:52 pockitaru tonsofpcs:
20:52 tonsofpcs there's a room above it, tools to the north, something to the south (i'm not sure what), MDH to the west
20:52 tonsofpcs (stairs to the south maybe?)
20:52 pockitaru ooo bathrooms
20:52 pockitaru to the west
20:52 pockitaru right?
20:52 Phu debian is still installing ;)
20:53 KB3NZQ tonsofpcs what do you know about diags for zenith DTT901 DTV Set top box (STB)
20:53 tonsofpcs the door into show control from MDH is the west side of show control.
20:53 tonsofpcs KB3NZQ: diags? what's it doing?
20:53 tonsofpcs (we call them CECBs btw)
20:53 tonsofpcs Coupon Elligible Converter Boxes
20:53 KB3NZQ grand pa says it is not working
20:53 KB3NZQ .
20:53 tonsofpcs unplug it, plug it back in?
20:54 KB3NZQ i have it here i'm gonna play with it later
20:54 pockitaru lol the answere to all misteries lol
20:54 tonsofpcs oh
20:54 tonsofpcs well, double rescan fixes most RF issues
20:54 tonsofpcs *grabs link*
20:54 tonsofpcs http://dtv.gov/rescan.html
20:54 BotSteve Title: The Digital TV Transition: Rescan DTV Converter Box
20:55 tonsofpcs they'll lose track of channels on their own sometimes, you need to do that to get them back... won't really work if it's not at home base (on its normal antenna) though
20:55 pockitaru ture
20:56 Seroster You talk too much.
20:57 pockitaru who me lol i know
20:57 tonsofpcs same as you!  same as you!
20:58 KB3NZQ it doesn't mater now casue he got rid of the tv it was on so he wanted me to take a look at it is all
20:58 * KB3NZQ will be back soon after he findes his BNC to F adapter
21:00 pockitaru i dont have to worry bout thoes probs i just got a new 47 hd led 1080p LG flat screen and it is awsome
21:00 tonsofpcs heh
21:00 tonsofpcs I get handfuls of BNC to Fs whenever I have a chance and swap out Fs for BNCs.  So much easier, even with the tool...
21:01 pockitaru there is absolutly nothing going on in HQ today is there?
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21:13 Seroster Aaaand that's a speed record.
21:13 CaptainNiobe for what? lol
21:14 CaptainNiobe i'm amazed no one said anything after i logged...
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21:15 wannabe1988 wooo break!
21:15 * CaptainNiobe looks at wannabe1988's name
21:16 wannabe1988 what?  i don't want to identify at work...
21:16 CaptainNiobe ok... :)
21:16 wannabe1988 it takes up time cuz the web  browser clicks over to the channel vs stayin on status so i can identify....
21:17 KB3NZQ tonsofpcs it was a matter of IDTENT error the the attenna and the fact that the blue power light not working ws all
21:17 tonsofpcs the red/blue lamp change didn't happen?
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21:19 wannabe1988 hi DruidicSniper
21:19 KB3NZQ no but it put NTSC on ch 3 and picked up a few ATSC channels (ATSC = DTV right)
21:19 DruidicSniper hey
21:19 HighMan wannabe1988: You are year younger ;)
21:20 wannabe1988 i know.  its so i don't have to identify at work....
21:20 HighMan Ik I read xD
21:21 wannabe1988 if you know, do not fucking tell me.
21:21 wannabe1988 gah
21:21 HighMan XD
21:23 HighMan You might gah me, but you're a hag. ;)
21:24 lwq1996 is it sad im 15 and still like watching rugrats :/
21:25 wannabe1988 no
21:25 pockitaru wow that was harsh HighMan lol
21:25 HighMan I'm kidding, just kidding wannabe1988
21:26 HighMan lwq1996: It's no biggy...
21:26 wannabe1988 HighMan thinks he's "all that" but he really is just compensating.  do not fuck with me....most the rest of the people here like me enough to defend me.....fyi
21:26 * lwq1996 kicks highman
21:26 lwq1996 OUT
21:26 lwq1996 YOUR NOT WELCOME HERE :p
21:26 HighMan I was kidding.
21:27 lwq1996 good ridens
21:27 pockitaru :P
21:27 pockitaru lol
21:27 lwq1996 he'll  be back :P
21:28 pockitaru lol
21:28 pockitaru in what 5 min?
21:28 wannabe1988 it doesn't matter if you're kidding....calling someone a "hag" is NOT funny
21:28 wannabe1988 masterofmonks: see?!  you say its going away....but i don't believe you!
21:29 tonsofpcs huh?
21:29 pockitaru wannabe1988: i dont think your a hag your just missunderstood lol
21:30 wannabe1988 tonsofpcs, something mom and i discuss
21:30 lwq1996 at the very most shes annoying, but thats rare :P im kidding here i hope you know
21:30 wannabe1988 "The teen had left a van stopped in the raod, police say."  this is from a news article
21:30 KB3NZQ tonsofpcs how do you factory defalt one of the DTV boxes?
21:30 wannabe1988 i do know you're kidding lee :)
21:30 wannabe1988 and i can be annoying, but i'm awesome  more often :D
21:31 tonsofpcs KB3NZQ: follow the double-rescan thing
21:31 pockitaru lol
21:31 tonsofpcs the DTV Pal has a factory reset in the menu, i don't think any others do
21:32 KB3NZQ ok
21:32 KB3NZQ it works execpt  for the blue light not coming on
21:33 DruidicSniper wow an estimated 9K mexicans entered the USA on friday to work illegally and the US boarder service Ignore them to stop 1 canadian going to hang with his friends
21:33 pockitaru i wish my blue light would turn off
21:33 DruidicSniper FML
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21:33 roadran422 Back
21:34 * lwq1996 kicks road ran
21:34 roadran422 :P
21:34 lwq1996 NO YOUR TIME IS NOT UP
21:34 roadran422 pu ton si emit ruoy on
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21:35 hiptimtoo hey guys
21:35 * KB3NZQ thinks lwq1996  needs to take some mydol
21:35 wannabe1988 DruidicSniper: why?
21:35 lwq1996 roadran do you know your very very VERY annoying
21:35 roadran422 Yes
21:35 pockitaru hiptimtoo:  your back
21:35 lwq1996 KB3NZQ shut up :P im hyper today
21:35 roadran422 I have learned that the easy/hard way.
21:36 pockitaru damn i need to goto be i still have to go to work at 11 that sucks
21:36 pockitaru bed*
21:36 hiptimtoo yup
21:36 wannabe1988 what time zone are you in?
21:37 wannabe1988 or country
21:37 pockitaru M
21:37 Electricguy *a wild EG appears*
21:37 DruidicSniper i don't know
21:37 hiptimtoo i need to JTAG my xbox 360
21:37 roadran422 **Throws Master Ball at EG**
21:37 wannabe1988 you sure?  i can pretty much figure out a reason for you to be saying FML
21:37 * DruidicSniper throws a hand forged celtic long spear at the wild EG
21:37 roadran422 Eg can't escape from a Master Ball.
21:38 * Electricguy uses sonic death ray on roadran422 without reason
21:38 * wannabe1988 uses wand to use a shielding charm to save EG
21:38 roadran422 Electricguy: You are stuck in the ball.
21:38 pockitaru wannabe1988: haha ur funny
21:38 Electricguy sonic death ray can penetrate anything! even Chuck Norris balls
21:38 wannabe1988 what, im a harry potter fan :D
21:38 roadran422 You are stuck in it. You can't get out nor anything ;)
21:39 Electricguy you clearly arent listening... :P
21:39 roadran422 :P
21:39 roadran422 There aren't any damn sonic guns in pokemon
21:39 roadran422 !
21:39 Electricguy the EG can'ty be trapped in any fucking ball. it just doesn't work that way :P
21:39 roadran422 That doesn't work in pokemon.
21:39 pockitaru wannabe1988: same here but i keep my magic to myself lol
21:39 Electricguy AND SINCE WHEN DID I SAY THIS IS POKEMON?
21:39 Electricguy :P
21:39 roadran422 I did when I threw the master ball :P
21:40 KB3NZQ .g taio TUMPA
21:40 BotSteve KB3NZQ: http://www.tiaowiki.com/forums/index.php?action=recent
21:40 Electricguy fucking nerd...
21:40 Electricguy :P
21:40 roadran422 xD
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21:40 pockitaru who me?
21:40 KB3NZQ hiptimtoo see above link
21:40 roadran422 The only pokemon you can't catch are trainers. And since you are WILD, you can be caught.
21:40 Electricguy ok.. *EG looks at roadran422 with a WTF face cause he's randomly throwing balls at EG*
21:41 roadran422 XD
21:41 wannabe1988 lol pockitaru
21:41 pockitaru what?
21:41 pockitaru lol
21:42 wannabe1988 you keep your magic to your self
21:42 pockitaru o that
21:42 pockitaru lol
21:42 * Electricguy throws some deer testicles at roadran422
21:42 wannabe1988 o.o
21:42 wannabe1988 good job eg!
21:42 wannabe1988 keep it up, you'll get cookies someday :)
21:42 wannabe1988 i have to go back to work, i have to get someoen up....
21:43 Electricguy if he throws his damn balls at me i'm throwing some balls back! :P
21:43 roadran422 XD
21:43 * roadran422 Throws EG's ball at himself.
21:43 Electricguy o_O
21:43 wannabe1988 you threw eg's balls back at yourself?!
21:43 wannabe1988 awkward
21:43 wannabe1988 you need english grammar lessons, azn
21:43 pockitaru lol
21:43 Experimentonomen O_o
21:44 roadran422 XD
21:44 roadran422 It meant EG.
21:44 roadran422 Or,
21:44 * roadran422 Throw's eg's balls at eg and wannabe1988.
21:44 Electricguy it's not my balls... it's the deer's balls
21:45 roadran422 I took your balls EG.
21:45 pockitaru eeeww
21:45 pockitaru stop playing with eachother
21:45 * roadran422 stores Castrating Knife
21:45 Electricguy you got the weirdest fetish..
21:45 roadran422 Electricguy: You were fondoling with deer balls.
21:45 pockitaru get your fingers off of there
21:46 Electricguy no, i just simply ripped them off to have something gross to throw at you :)
21:46 pockitaru and stop tuching his quit it
21:46 roadran422 No. You fondled them ;)
21:46 Electricguy it seems like you enjoy this conversation about testicles
21:46 roadran422 :P
21:46 roadran422 Not Liable for your assumptions.
21:46 hiptimtoo !emote derp
21:46 hiptimtoo lol
21:47 hiptimtoo it doesnt work
21:47 Electricguy emote?
21:47 Electricguy hurr durr..
21:47 hiptimtoo i used an irc client that made derp face whenever you typed that
21:47 Cheezmo not here P:
21:47 hiptimtoo ohh
21:47 hiptimtoo (。 ヮ゚)
21:48 pockitaru ?
21:48 hiptimtoo oh well I had it saved on my computer
21:48 Electricguy hiptimtoo, only works for you it seems
21:49 hiptimtoo yup
21:49 hiptimtoo i guess I am just that good
21:49 pockitaru really?
21:49 Cheezmo lol
21:49 Electricguy no, you just totally fail at stuff cause only your client supports the fun stuff ;)
21:49 hiptimtoo so who here is using terminal to chat right now
21:50 * Electricguy uses X-chat 2
21:50 hiptimtoo i use irssi
21:50 hiptimtoo through terminal
21:50 pockitaru freenode irc
21:50 Electricguy i used that a while ago too
21:50 Electricguy i got tired of it cause i can't open links from irssi
21:51 hiptimtoo i thought it would be hard to work but it wasnt
21:51 hiptimtoo i can open links
21:51 Electricguy i can't
21:51 Electricguy or couldn't
21:51 hiptimtoo you right click on it the click open links
21:51 tonsofpcs irssi.
21:51 Electricguy i like X-Chat.. small program, easy to use and gets the job done
21:51 tonsofpcs irssi doesn't handle links, your terminal emulator might.
21:52 Electricguy that kinda explains why it didn't work for me
21:52 hiptimtoo yeah it might be because I am running through terminal emu for ubuntu
21:52 Electricguy i ran irssi over null modem to a laptop running MS-DOS for a while too :P
21:52 hiptimtoo anyone know how to jtag an xbox 360 and if so is it hard?
21:53 Electricguy google is your friend i think
21:53 hiptimtoo i know I am watching something but the guy kinda scares me
21:53 hiptimtoo i think its his voice
21:53 Electricguy then watch another video..
21:55 KawaiiJess [13:55:36] -KawaiiJess- VERSION X-Chat Aqua 0.17.0-rc1 (xchat 2.8.6) Darwin 9.8.0 [Power Macintosh/1.67GHz]
21:55 KawaiiJess Xchat ftw Electricguy
21:56 hiptimtoo your right
21:56 Electricguy yeah
21:56 Electricguy one bug with the windows version though... if you hit F8 X-chat is going to crash XD
21:56 Electricguy but who the fuck press F8 anyways?
21:56 roadran422 Catching something that shows up for 10%, with the 50% chance of being male. IT IS HARD.
21:56 pockitaru well im going to bed ill see you all latter
21:57 KB3NZQ Textual has been opened 49 times with a total runtime of 2 Months, 5 Days, 8 Hours, 31 Minutes, 50 Seconds
21:57 Electricguy see you!
21:57 tonsofpcs Electricguy: isn't that a paid version?
21:57 tonsofpcs hiptimtoo: jtag an xbox 360? for what?
21:57 Electricguy tonsofpcs, not if you download it here http://www.silverex.org/news/
21:57 BotSteve Title: X-Chat 2 for Windows
21:57 Electricguy it's the paid version, but cracked...
21:58 KB3NZQ on windows i run hydrairc
21:58 JA12 Electricguy: so it's not xchat
21:58 KB3NZQ .g hydrairc
21:58 hiptimtoo so i can play homebrew on it
21:58 BotSteve KB3NZQ: http://www.hydrairc.com/
21:58 Electricguy JA12, in fact it is..
21:58 Electricguy it's just a cracked X-Chat 2
21:59 JA12 "Starting in 2.8.6, unofficial Windows Binaries have been labeled as YChat instead of XChat. "
21:59 Electricguy yes
22:00 Electricguy it surely looks like X-Chat to me... http://i.imgur.com/aAu3w.jpg
22:00 Electricguy it behaves just like X-Chat too
22:00 JA12 it's unofficial build and called ychat, so it's not xchat
22:00 JA12 I know
22:01 Electricguy it looks like X-Chat, it behaves like it, got the exact same manues, same text lines in the menues, got the same font pack.... to me it's x-chat
22:02 Electricguy as it seems to be based on the "real" thing
22:02 DruidicTankThief hmmmm
22:02 lwq1996 hahaha omegle ftw
22:03 JA12 my point is, if I clone xchat codebase and make it run on Haiku, I've done something so it compiles...
22:03 tonsofpcs really, people have 'home channels' on freenode now? ....
22:03 Electricguy i got my own channel at least..
22:03 lwq1996 its tgg near the capitol of mi?
22:04 tonsofpcs lwq1996: what is the capitol of MI?
22:04 Electricguy got LIVE stream from my lab, speech bot, IRC bot and stuff
22:04 lwq1996 idk
22:04 tonsofpcs .w Michigan
22:04 BotSteve "Michigan (|i|/ˈmɪʃɨɡən/) is a U.S. state located in the Great Lakes Region of the United States of America." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan
22:04 tonsofpcs mishigehn
22:05 hiptimtoo lansing is the capital of michigan... (facepalm)
22:05 lwq1996 lol im stupid
22:06 Electricguy yepp
22:06 tonsofpcs and where is grand rapids?
22:06 hiptimtoo west
22:06 hiptimtoo its 45 minutes west of lansing
22:07 lwq1996 i may be going to the capitol sometime
22:08 tonsofpcs even though you don't know what it is?
22:08 Electricguy haha
22:08 tonsofpcs hiptimtoo: I know this, I've driven through lansing to get to GR ;)
22:08 lwq1996 yeah
22:08 hiptimtoo i know
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22:08 lwq1996 maby not though, it was an idea my family had for vacation
22:09 hiptimtoo Oh anyone live in the east side of the state
22:10 Electricguy is that a question or a statement?
22:10 hiptimtoo oh goodness me I do believe I have to go
22:10 iSasha tonsofpcs: I have finally found all the sizes for the LED panels: 150*150 200*200, 300*150,300*300, 300*600, 600*150, 455*455,595*595, 600*600, 625*625, 300*1200, 600*1200 (units are mm)
22:10 hiptimtoo I will talk to all of you in less then a fortnite.
22:11 hiptimtoo peace all and may your life be full of geekedness
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22:13 tonsofpcs 300x300 is like the largest rosco makes  but I'd expect them to be as bright as those 600x1200s (don't really know without comparable specs)
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22:15 iSasha Nope. 600x1200 go up to 6000 lumen
22:15 iSasha Their's go up to 2700
22:16 iSasha 2700 is actually exactly like certain LED panels. Plus, some photos of their panels insides are identical to some of the ones I've seen
22:18 iSasha And rosco's efficiencies are horrible. They have like 52 lumen/watt when most LED panels are over 80 lumen/watt.
22:19 tonsofpcs where are you seeing lumen ratings on rosco?
22:20 iSasha Eh lux ratings
22:20 tonsofpcs lux != lumen
22:20 iSasha Yeah but the way they measure it, it is identical
22:20 iSasha Plus, I recognize the models they use.
22:21 tonsofpcs i'd expect the roscos to be lower efficiency due to their filtering
22:21 iSasha I bet you the specs they list are before filtering
22:22 tonsofpcs I bet not because I bet every filmmaker who gets one checks it with his light meter the first time he plugs it in and every hour of use thereafter if not more frequently
22:23 iSasha Well I dunno. I haven't been working with any filmmakers.
22:24 tonsofpcs right, but rosco does.  film, theater, and tv, that's who they sell to.  Mostly theater, although they target the lightpads (or is it litepad?) at TV and film
22:24 iSasha Litepanels is a separate company
22:24 tonsofpcs their fancy promo thing for litepad is they make one small enough to fit inside the dashboard speedometer/etc. cutout in most cars and light talent's face
22:24 tonsofpcs pad, not panel
22:24 tonsofpcs litepanel is from vitec group
22:26 tonsofpcs (the same people who own anton-bauer and petrol)
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22:29 tonsofpcs rosco probably has someone else doing the light fabrication and sticks their filter inside it
22:30 tonsofpcs now, litepanels has some insane output power but their colors are off...
22:30 iSasha Yeah, and they add the price tag on it too
22:31 tonsofpcs absolutely
22:31 tonsofpcs they sell to a niche market.
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22:32 tonsofpcs if rosco or lee could partner with litepanels and get some of that color work up to par, they'd be the best out there hands down
22:32 Phu god I'm bored of linux policy - "This library hasn't been used in over 4 months, so we're going fuck any unmaintained app that uses it"
22:32 tonsofpcs but litepanels is just mixing two different color LEDs to make the color temperatures...
22:32 tonsofpcs Phu: did debian work?
22:32 iSasha Yeah, I dunno what I should do though. I'm starting my own LED business, and I can't figure out how to price the LEDs. Everyone gets them at the same price, but sells them for more. If I sell them very cheaply, people will like it, but they'll think its bad quality. If I make it too expensive, people will think it is great quality but wont buy it because of the high price.
22:33 Phu tonsofpcs:  dunno.. still installing that :)
22:33 tonsofpcs lol
22:33 Phu I was talking about my desktop box. I can't compile one app because KDE3 is older than some people care about.
22:33 tonsofpcs iSasha: yea.... I don't really envy anyone in the LED market right now except the folks making the LEDs the same way they have for 20 years....
22:33 Phu playing devils advocate for a moment.... "Windows - because you want to run that app from 10 years ago."
22:33 masterofmonks Ah damn, there is a sale at harbor freight that ends today.
22:34 tonsofpcs Phu: why? Win 7 can't run XP apps....
22:34 injektion Backwards compatibility is a curse and a blessing at the same time
22:34 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: there's always a 'sale' at harbor freighht.
22:34 Phu tonsofpcs:  could last time I checking
22:34 Phu checked even
22:34 tonsofpcs Phu: not all of them.
22:34 masterofmonks Sure, but some of the items are even cheaper than usual.
22:34 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: right, that's what their sales are.
22:34 tonsofpcs also, I don't think I've ever paid wwhat the hang tag for an item said....
22:35 tonsofpcs except for sales
22:35 Phu in fact, last time I checked 32-bit windows 7 could run 16-bit Windows 3.0 apps without difficulty :)
22:35 Phu but those it can't run are few and far between.
22:35 Phu my linux desktop on the other hand, refuses to run an app made 2 years ago.
22:36 injektion I don't think Windows 7 can run any version of Lotus SmartSuite
22:36 tonsofpcs Phu: I see your challenge and raise you any piece of software that tries implementing standard activeX controls.  and any piece of software that uses device drivers.  and any piece of software that addresses a serial port not in 115.2/8/n/1
22:36 masterofmonks I want one of the horrible little things. http://www.harborfreight.com/merchandising-promotions/merchandising/top-10-power-tools/5-double-cut-saw-68316.html
22:36 BotSteve Title: 5" Double Cut Saw
22:37 injektion I <3 Ami Pro/WordPro
22:37 Phu well the ActiveX thing I've only ever had issues with IE.. and that was mainly due to MS's poor choice of security policy. Turn off UAC and everything is fine. The only problem I've had with device drivers is homebrow ones that MS seems to hate. and I've not had any serial port issues.
22:37 tonsofpcs iSasha: it'd be nice if there were more R&D into LED light output, perhaps designing one that's really two LEDs inside at different colors...
22:38 tonsofpcs iSasha: as for making replacement lamps and such for consumer use, the trick iis in the power supply and making it output the same amount of light as a 100W incandescent lamp (well, i guess in most of europe, just better/more light than a 30W CFL?)....
22:39 iSasha Why would you want that? It would be highly inneficient
22:39 tonsofpcs I have one edison-type LED 'lamp' here that I got from deal-extreme.  flickers (half wave rectifier) and emits RF noise.... also, has a larger profile than a small size edison lamp (but smaller than a full/standard size)
22:39 tonsofpcs iSasha: what would be highly inefficient?
22:40 iSasha DX is the worst place to buy LEDs. Honestly. Heck, even ebay is better.
22:40 iSasha tonsofpcs: placing a cold white and a warm white LED inside of a single module
22:40 tonsofpcs oh, I just tossed one into an order to try it.
22:41 tonsofpcs iSasha: well, 'cold white' and 'warm white' LEDs are the issue with the coloring of the litepanels... they aren't anywhere near full spectrum
22:41 egrsteve so I just walked in on a colour temp war here?
22:41 tonsofpcs egrsteve: LED replacement lighting
22:41 iSasha Which one did you get tonsofpcs?
22:41 tonsofpcs 1 sec, i'll try and find it
22:41 iSasha Ah, egrsteve, what is your opinion on led lighting?
22:42 egrsteve not led, induction lamps, much better similar lumens/watt
22:42 BitViper egrsteve : theyve been going on about leds for at least a couple of hours now
22:42 tonsofpcs ZyLight gets props for using R/G/B/A color mixing, but no one is going to put an RGBA fixture in nor wwill they pay for the pre-tuned colortemp that Zy does...
22:43 egrsteve due to power dissipation issues and the number of emmiters needed LED is not quite ready
22:44 iSasha Heat dissipation? What heat dissipation :P ?
22:44 iSasha There is virtually no heat unless you go to the high power stuff
22:45 egrsteve take a look at induction technology, it's a RF stimulated capsle containing mercury vaper and a phosforesance, bassicly a floresant lamp w/o electrodes
22:45 egrsteve and 40000+ hour life on the lamp
22:45 egrsteve and yes iSasha to have a resonable output in a small size I imagine 1watt + LEDs would have to be used
22:46 iSasha Um, mercury based lamps are banned in many places... or will be banned within the next few years! Heh, i was wondering why I've never heard of them before :P
22:47 egrsteve and I know how much heat a 1W flashlight produces in just a couple min. not a lot compared to incondecent but filements run better hot anyway
22:47 egrsteve UM CFLs use mercury
22:47 egrsteve so those will be banned too
22:48 iSasha BTW, LEDs, or at least properly designed LEDs go up to 100000 hours... and yes, CFLs are going to be soon banned too. Dunno about the US, but here in europe there are much more LEDs than fluorescent lights one store shelves these days.
22:48 BitViper im suprised cfls ever got mandated due to the merc
22:48 iSasha *on
22:48 Monkeh Pushpins suck.
22:48 Monkeh Really, really suck.
22:48 tonsofpcs http://www.dealextreme.com/p/e27-1-5w-6000k-150-lumen-38-led-white-light-bulb-ac-220v-81039 is the closest i can find, i don't think they sell this one anymore....
22:48 BotSteve Title: E27 1.5W 6000K 150-Lumen 38-LED White Light Bulb (AC 220V) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
22:48 tonsofpcs it's got the LEDS to the surface of the sphere, not in teh back with a lens
22:49 egrsteve 150 lumen is not a lot for a room
22:49 egrsteve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodeless_lamp#Magnetic_induction_lamps
22:49 BotSteve Title: Electrodeless lamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:50 egrsteve also I wrong, not mercury vaper
22:50 iSasha tonsofpcs: you bought just about the worst thing you can buy :(
22:50 Monkeh ... Since when are CFLs being banned?
22:50 tonsofpcs iSasha: it was $2 and I was just getting one to play with (and I was looking for a lamp with a low enough profile that my projection can go below it)
22:50 tonsofpcs I have a small size edison incandescent bulb in there just fine now ;)
22:51 tonsofpcs Monkeh: they aren't.  thhey should be.  They should be before incandescents.
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22:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not all CFLs are bad.
22:51 Toastdude Hello
22:51 iSasha They will within the next 5 years. Or 10. Most likely 10.
22:51 tonsofpcs I doubt that CFLs take less energy than incandescents in full run (production to proper disposal).  They're also hazmat; incandescents aren't.
22:52 iSasha BTW, tonsofpcs, just get a 10w LED of ebay for like 10$... you'll be set for your projector!
22:52 tonsofpcs iSasha: the incandescent is fine, thanks ;)
22:52 tonsofpcs full profile is maybe 2" below the socket
22:52 tonsofpcs probably less
22:53 iSasha No, I meant a high power LED, without the bulb part.
22:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: So when're they banning ordinary fluorescents then?
22:54 iSasha Something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10W-10-Watt-Warm-White-LED-Light-Lamp-Bulb-900LM-3500K-/140688992185?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item20c1b7a7b9#ht_4344wt_1275
22:54 BotSteve Title: 10W 10 Watt Warm White LED Light Lamp Bulb 900LM 3500K | eBay
22:55 tonsofpcs iSasha: and? how does that get it into the socket that's on a switch by the door?
22:55 tonsofpcs note: I rent, I cant''t rewire the electric.
22:55 iSasha Oh, damn
22:55 iSasha It ain't that hard, and you get a huge performance increase, as long as you have proper cooling.
22:56 iSasha Huh, I actually can't find any info on the CFL ban, but I can assure you that I heard it somewhere.
22:56 tonsofpcs performance increase? it's the overhead lamp in my living room / home theaater.  It gets turned off when the screen is on or when no one is in the room.... that $1 LED would have trouble paying for itself.
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22:57 tonsofpcs now, the 8x 40W incandescents over the vanity mirror in my bathroom, those are a prime candidate for being replaced by something else
22:57 tonsofpcs that said, they're over the vanity mirror in my bathroom.  They need to be full spectrum.
22:57 tonsofpcs (color temp doesn't really matter as much)
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23:24 egrsteve it looks like I was not the ony one dropped
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23:29 tonsofpcs you, cprossu, ajt, mantere, ja12, akeeh
23:30 tonsofpcs err, wait, you didn't drop...
23:31 egrsteve no I did at about 6:00
23:31 JA12 all my irc connections dropped
23:31 JA12 all networks (3)
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23:31 Electricguy bedtime now! :) hibernate well!
23:31 egrsteve I must have been one of the first, and delayed logging back on
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23:32 Druidic_Rifleman why is the internet so glitchy tonight
23:32 LeePod hi
23:32 Toastdude Hi Lee
23:32 LeePod toasty!!!!!
23:33 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : hrm lemme look, yep, my socks were laying next to the modem, i bet that was the problem
23:33 LeePod lol
23:33 Druidic_Rifleman that doesn't explain my issues
23:33 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : sure it does, if you knew my socks :)
23:33 LeePod i can smell them from here,
23:34 BitViper LeePod : LOL i believe it
23:34 * LeePod burns bitvipers socks
23:34 BitViper ewww, worse than burning tires
23:34 * egrsteve burns BitViper modem due to sock exposure
23:34 BitViper egrsteve : hey wai [click]
23:35 LeePod we need to get hasmat tto his house
23:35 * Experimentonomen looks at egrsteve
23:35 egrsteve problems should be fixed now
23:35 tonsofpcs egrsteve: no, no you didn't....
23:35 egrsteve calls acme for instanty delivery to BitViper for a modem
23:36 * Druidic_Rifleman wonders if he should be thankfull he would of been staying at wannabe's and avoiding meeting bitvipers self aware socks
23:36 egrsteve modem falls out of sky into BitViper's home
23:36 Seroster screw it
23:36 Seroster goodnight
23:37 egrsteve he should be back shortly
23:37 BitViper lol egrsteve, er, thanks
23:37 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : hehehehehe
23:37 * Experimentonomen got offerd a full set of transistors for the leach low tim amp
23:38 LeePod tame
23:38 LeePod damn*
23:38 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : it could be worse, i could still have my old work boots, and we could have had a real winter ... then you wouldnt have wanted to be within a mile of my place (literally) when I took off my boots
23:38 egrsteve BitViper: should I call ACME for roof repair supplies
23:38 BitViper egrsteve : yeah, but no air drops please LOL
23:39 Seroster Night folks
23:39 egrsteve the modem needed instant delivery though
23:39 LeePod night seroster
23:39 BitViper egrsteve : true, and aparently acme does much better than ups :)
23:39 egrsteve plus you got a vent for off gas those socks
23:39 BitViper hahaha
23:39 BitViper send a good vent fan with the roof repair kit
23:40 Druidic_Rifleman there is a New invention BV it's called soap
23:40 egrsteve calls acme for instant delivery of small jet engine, that shoudl do
23:40 Druidic_Rifleman apply it to your feet it helps
23:41 LeePod lol
23:41 BitViper Druidic_Rifleman : doesnt matter, my feet sweat, 5 minutes in my old boots and you wont want me to take them off, a couple hours in tennis shoes often does the same
23:41 Druidic_Rifleman Baking soda
23:41 LeePod im the same way
23:41 BitViper no real help
23:42 LeePod i have to keep my shoes outside to keep everything in the house from smelling of feet
23:42 LeePod m
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23:43 LeePod damn ipod
23:43 BitViper we have indoor hallway access to these apartments, if i left my shoes out in the hall the neighbors would prolly complain
23:44 LeePod lol
23:44 BitViper then again, considering some of the other smells in the building, they might not notice
23:45 LeePod hahahaha
23:45 BitViper between the smokers and the people who either dont know how to cook, or have very odd tastes ...
23:55 tonsofpcs LeePod: they make powders for that
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