Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-02-13

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00:37 * BitViper feels like strangling and/or torturing someone ... any volunteers ?
00:47 * NeWtoz pushes roadran422 forward
00:48 BitViper oh hey, NeWtoz, thanks for volunteering. how do you want it, dirty socks, or dull razor blades ?
00:49 * NeWtoz doesn't recall volunteering
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00:49 BitViper well it looked like you were, you pushed this other young man out of your way to get up here
00:50 BitViper i think you just chickening out now =P
00:51 NeWtoz I'd hate to not allow someone else the opportunity
00:51 BitViper lol thats ok, i have plenty of socks and razor blades :)
00:52 BitViper and annoyance level too at the moment *muttering*
01:00 tonsofpcs simpsons 500th episode!
01:02 Sgt_Lemming new website idea: "Shit Gibroni Says"
01:06 BitViper new sitcom idea ... gibroni and cory ...... or maybe a talk show
01:08 tonsofpcs heh
01:08 tonsofpcs ok seinfeld
01:11 egrsteve .seen ynos
01:11 BotSteve egrsteve: I last saw yNos 53.09 hours ago at 2012-02-10 20:05:52 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:11:04 UTC
01:12 egrsteve should I mount a security cam with mic up there?
01:12 egrsteve make a NLE live feed
01:12 BitViper YES !!!
01:12 eadthem yep
01:12 egrsteve I doubt it will happen though
01:12 egrsteve I do need security cams up there though
01:12 BitViper =(
01:13 egrsteve but I doubt I could get away with sound
01:13 egrsteve work still need to be able to take place up there
01:13 BitViper =(
01:13 egrsteve still a few cams would be nice
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01:14 eadthem just accedentaly place a mic on both desks and accedentaly mix them and put them in to the live feed computer
01:14 BitViper but valid point
01:14 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: What, those two actually do work? :P
01:14 BitViper lol eadthem
01:14 eadthem and then accadentaly leave a camera up there in "testing"  to make sure its not going to break when you put it out side high up
01:14 egrsteve 1 or 2 on NLE, one on MC command seat, one into each studio
01:15 egrsteve I could mic that whole space w/o them knowing and mix into the live feed post main mixer and local monitoring if I wanted
01:15 eadthem think of it as passivly testing cameras and mics
01:15 egrsteve but I don't think I should
01:15 eadthem you dont have to actively be there and there being passivel tested by day to day activity
01:16 BitViper they'd know the moment they heard the live feed
01:16 egrsteve yes they would, but could they remove the audio short of killing the feed
01:16 BitViper lol
01:17 egrsteve the complexity of that little setup is mind boggeling
01:17 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I'm sure they'd find a way.
01:17 egrsteve I can't imagine a full proper TV station
01:17 eadthem thats what C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts is for
01:17 BitViper just put the sound in with squelch effects, make it sound like the scanner, maybe they wouldnt notice
01:17 * egrsteve gets giddy just thining about it
01:17 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Geek.
01:17 egrsteve I know
01:18 * BitViper makes note to check the bathrooms for hidden cams next time he's there
01:18 egrsteve the sad part is I can follow complex signal flows in my head, it all just makes sense
01:18 egrsteve and there will be no cams in the restrooms
01:18 BitViper whew
01:18 eadthem just folow egrsteve in the restroom
01:18 egrsteve but there is one looking down that hallway
01:19 eadthem you know they wont be in that one
01:19 egrsteve toward HVL
01:19 BitViper lol eadthem
01:19 egrsteve unless I know which head isn't being watched
01:19 eadthem lol that would be kinda funny to stick a empty camera shell on the back of the stall door that duck goes to often
01:20 BitViper *facepalm*
01:20 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: No, stick a real camera there.
01:20 egrsteve just a cam, no wires attached
01:20 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: No, attach wires.
01:20 egrsteve real cam, no connections
01:20 Monkeh|Lap Which go nowhere but he'll be following them for hours :D
01:20 BitViper crewl people LOL
01:21 Monkeh|Lap Never mess with a geek.
01:21 eadthem ya run it in to the lan room and then patch it around about a dozen times to nothing
01:21 egrsteve yes, geeks can be crule
01:21 Monkeh|Lap We can be cruel, too.
01:21 egrsteve thanks cruel
01:21 BitViper eadthem : not just physical patches, but ghost routes and firewall rules
01:21 egrsteve *cruel
01:21 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Careful with that, you might end up sounding like Druidic.
01:21 eadthem patch it to the offices then put a patch in the office back to lan  then patch that to MC then back to lan  then to basement then back to lan ....
01:21 egrsteve that would be bad
01:22 egrsteve it's not IP it's just over UTP
01:22 egrsteve so there are no routers
01:22 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: It can still be patched!
01:22 BitViper awwww
01:22 BitViper well thats no fun
01:22 egrsteve thats true
01:22 eadthem someone would be there for a hour trying to figure out who was recording the restrooms
01:22 Monkeh|Lap But surely even Boden would smell a rat after a few hundred meters
01:23 egrsteve no, he would just pull out his gerber and cut the cable
01:23 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Then go hang people with it?
01:23 egrsteve and tell someone to remove it
01:23 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Oh, you know what you need to do then
01:23 eadthem i still think just a broken camera or empty camera body with a lenss
01:24 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Connect the cable to a taser.
01:24 Sgt_Lemming http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/10feb12/24.jpg
01:24 BotSteve Title: OCAU Image - Overclockers Australia
01:24 BitViper does he still have that half-mannequin shell in his office ... put a hidden cam there
01:24 egrsteve no, there will be no restroom cams, real of fake
01:24 egrsteve *or
01:24 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: :{
01:24 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Will there be other creepy, taser-connected cams?
01:24 Sgt_Lemming yeah
01:25 egrsteve no, we use NSTs
01:25 Sgt_Lemming camera's in the restroom is just ASKING for a lawsuit
01:25 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: That works.
01:25 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Someone's got to get him to shock himself with that Gerber.
01:25 Monkeh|Lap On camera if at all possible.
01:27 egrsteve I doubt it would happen, there are too many hot or nots around, and no one cuts a wire unless they know it's dead
01:27 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Oh, I'm sure you can find a way to fool those things.
01:27 egrsteve and yes, I know a hot or not can't detect DC
01:27 roadran422 Who called me?
01:27 roadran422 NeWtoz: Wow.
01:27 Monkeh|Lap Over here they're not relied on for safety reasons. Ever.
01:28 Sgt_Lemming egrsteve, make it so the wire is part of a circuit that prevnts that wire from getting energized
01:28 egrsteve they are used for a first test, a good check with DMM is always wise
01:28 Sgt_Lemming e.g. tying the gate of a mosfet to ground
01:28 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I see no point in using them if you need to confirm the reading anyway.
01:28 Sgt_Lemming cut the wire, the mosfet gate gets energised and the wire becomes energised with HV
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01:29 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: You can set them off by rubbing your foot on the floor, and I've seen them fail to light up far too many times.
01:29 egrsteve you can't tie the gate to ground and have it connected to the highside, well a NPN might but then it would be pulled high to be off
01:30 Sgt_Lemming egrsteve, have a diode between the gate and the ground wire
01:30 BitViper lol now here's a real internet connection http://www.speedtest.net/result/1769435539.png
01:30 Sgt_Lemming when the wire is at a lower voltage because of the wire being intact and thus grounded, the mosfet will be off, cut the wire, the grounding stops, and the high voltage can flow into the wire but can't flow to the mosfet because of the diode
01:31 egrsteve as have I, brushing it on a shirt is a good way to trip them too
01:31 egrsteve I suppsoe that would work
01:31 DruidicTankThief whats up
01:31 Sgt_Lemming sneaky circuits (a.k.a. troll physics) are one of my favourite things :-P
01:31 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Only thing worse is a neon screwdriver.
01:32 egrsteve yay neon idicaters can be interesting
01:32 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: If by interesting you mean misleading and occasionally fatal.
01:33 egrsteve personly I like a good reliable DMM
01:33 eadthem i still think the best prank is a small charged capacitor
01:33 egrsteve camera flash cap?
01:33 eadthem yep
01:33 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, they are fun
01:33 egrsteve ouch
01:33 eadthem decently safe   still suprising
01:33 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: A Fluke T5 is ideal.
01:33 egrsteve well sort of safe ish
01:34 eadthem more safe than a nst
01:35 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, NST + current limiting resitor
01:35 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Kinda pricy, though. I'm sure they do a basic voltage tester too..
01:35 Monkeh|Lap Ah, yes, T50
01:35 Monkeh|Lap At the price of a T50 there's no excuse for not having one if you regularly work on electrics..
01:36 eadthem ya current limiting resistor would make the diffrence
01:36 eadthem provided it didnt arc across
01:36 egrsteve I would love a fluke 189 or an agilent U1273A
01:36 eadthem dont know  i trust my craftsman clampon as much as a fluke
01:36 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: They're kinda silly expensive.
01:37 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: For voltage testing, your Craftsman is rather bulky.
01:37 Sgt_Lemming eadthem, insulate it
01:37 Sgt_Lemming not hard to do
01:37 tonsofpcs t50?
01:37 Monkeh|Lap http://www.fluke.com/Fluke/uken/Electrical-Test-Tools/Electrical-Testers/Fluke-T50.htm?PID=56175
01:37 BotSteve Title: Fluke T50
01:37 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Voltage tester.
01:37 Sgt_Lemming working on a 250kV Cockroft Walton atm, gonna need some decent insulation
01:37 eadthem not that bulky
01:37 Monkeh|Lap Conveniently pocket sized
01:37 egrsteve yes but for small measurments a good dmm is pricless
01:37 eadthem not rated for HV of corse
01:38 tonsofpcs is there an issue with the $6 multimeter from HF?
01:38 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Not much is rated above 600V.
01:38 Sgt_Lemming yeah, CAT III
01:38 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: For rough stuff? No, so long as you confirm it.
01:38 egrsteve yes as the battery gets low the reading goes higher
01:38 eadthem CATIII 1000V
01:39 egrsteve I have seen it read 150+ on a 120 line due to battery
01:39 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: idk about you, but most of my electric work with a meter is "is it phase-gnd/phase-neutral/phase-phase", "what nominal voltage is it", and "is it hot or safe to touch?"
01:39 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Embrace the lithium.
01:39 egrsteve the HF meter uses a 9V
01:39 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Indeed, and a basic meter suffices for that so long as you can reasonably prove it's accurate.
01:40 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: You can get 9V lithium batteries.
01:40 egrsteve I know but they cost more than that meter
01:40 egrsteve so it's not worth it
01:40 Monkeh|Lap Yeah and they'll last longer too.
01:40 Monkeh|Lap I feed everything lithium these days.
01:40 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: right, which you do on a known live source before using the meter in a test environment and, at possibly dangerous voltages, again afterwards.  You do this with any meter as a safety precaution....
01:41 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Yes, I also like to prove accuracy is reasonable (which means either a known source or by using two meters)
01:41 tonsofpcs right, the known source takes care of that.
01:41 egrsteve I still like a good meter I can trust. and the other features come in handy, be it frequency counters or capacitor measure ect
01:42 Monkeh|Lap I'd love better meters but they still don't reach the accuracy I'd want until they become stupid expensive.
01:42 tonsofpcs precise meters are for electronics, not electrics....
01:42 egrsteve I do more electronics than line voltage, where a .5V error may be acceptable I need mV or better
01:42 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Well, no..
01:43 tonsofpcs right, two entirely different use cases requiring different tools...
01:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: I'm not designing transformers.
01:43 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Nor am I. But you get an acceptable R1+R2 out of a cheap meter.
01:43 tonsofpcs also, anywhere that the line voltage matters, I have permanent metering of some kind.
01:44 egrsteve ttyl
01:44 tonsofpcs R1+R2?
01:44 tonsofpcs cya steve
01:44 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Later
01:44 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Not done much installation work then?
01:45 tonsofpcs I'll ask again.  R1+R2?
01:45 Monkeh|Lap Resistance of phase and protective conductors.
01:47 tonsofpcs note: your code/installation practices are entirely different from ours.
01:47 Monkeh|Lap If yours don't include a simple test like that, they're severely defective..
01:48 Monkeh|Lap Although I admit you've probably got some.. infinitely more annoying name for it
01:48 tonsofpcs probably
01:48 Monkeh|Lap On the other hand, we have the likes of Ze and Zs.
01:48 tonsofpcs or, ya know, we take care of whatever you're trying to check through other means.....
01:49 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: What means do you use to confirm the conductors are undamaged and have proper terminations before energising the circuit, then?
01:50 tonsofpcs an ohm meter or continuity meter...
01:51 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Precisely. We do it with a sufficiently accurate one to get an exact result.
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01:51 tonsofpcs of continuity or non-continuity?
01:51 Monkeh|Lap A cheap multimeter does not cut the mustard.
01:51 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Just because the buzzer sounds doesn't mean there isn't a bad joint or a crushed cable.
01:52 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: These measurements are also used to ensure appropriate operation of the CPD.
01:52 tonsofpcs a bad joint?
01:52 tonsofpcs (again, I'm pretty sure our code takes care of some of the issues you have)
01:53 Monkeh|Lap Yes, a bad joint.
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02:09 roadran422 Particle Man Monkeh|Lap!
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02:21 BatSteve sup b
02:21 BotSteve batsteve: I have the following messages for you:
02:21 BotSteve At 12 Feb 06:26Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell batsteve that the new lenght features of the videos is pretty dang awesome :D
02:21 tonsofpcs so, I pulled the electricians pocket manual I had on the shhelf here and, while the front clearly shows a device physically being connected to a circuit, no such description/instruction is provided in the manual....  I hhave a copy of an NEC guide at worrk, feel free to prod me to look at it tomorrow :)
02:21 BatSteve .seen wannabe1987
02:21 BotSteve BatSteve: I last saw wannabe1987 7.67 hours ago at 2012-02-12 18:41:00 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:21:21 UTC
02:22 tonsofpcs (it was like $0.25 at a book sale, I never opened it before)
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02:32 roadran422 Hi all Druidics
02:36 roadran422 tonsofpcs: You gone yet/
02:39 tonsofpcs ya.....
02:41 DruidicSniper hmmm]
02:41 roadran422 tonsofpcs: No?
02:41 DruidicSniper Fucking net won't stay connected
02:42 roadran422 Lol
02:44 tonsofpcs roadran422: oh, it said last move was 7 hours ago but it shwoed the updated board...
02:44 tonsofpcs your turn
02:45 roadran422 lol
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02:46 Parker_ hello
02:46 roadran422 tonsofpcs: done
02:46 roadran422 Well, the word till xD
02:46 Parker_ im new here
02:46 Parker_ :)
02:47 roadran422 HI Parker_
02:47 Parker_ ♪♫
02:47 Parker_ hey!
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02:47 BatSteve hi Parker_!
02:47 Parker_ do you know if the geek group has done a review on any volcano ecigs yet?
02:47 roadran422 Yah I think so
02:47 Parker_ hey steve
02:47 BatSteve I think they did
02:47 Parker_ did they do the lava tube yet?
02:48 roadran422 Look it up on thegeekgroup main channel and search
02:48 Parker_ its a veriable vape
02:48 roadran422 As for the Lava Tube, I don't know
02:48 Parker_ ill check.. thank!!
02:48 Parker_ *thanks!
02:48 roadran422 Yw
02:48 roadran422 ...
02:48 roadran422 .seen lewis
02:48 BotSteve roadran422: I last saw lewis 509.15 hours ago at 2012-01-22 21:39:27 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:48:36 UTC
02:48 roadran422 So, how's the lenovo laptop going ;)
02:50 tonsofpcs dag nabit
02:50 roadran422 ?
02:51 tonsofpcs i played dag
02:51 roadran422 Oh XD
02:53 tonsofpcs oh, totally wrong game
02:53 tonsofpcs lol
02:53 roadran422 Was gonna say...
02:54 tonsofpcs chew on this :-p
02:55 roadran422 :P
02:55 roadran422 There is no WAYS I can win... xD
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02:58 injektion Any chemistry nuts here?
02:59 roadran422 Sorta
02:59 roadran422 What do you need?
02:59 lwq1996 me, but i know nothing
02:59 injektion How much sodium hydroxide (lye) do I need to neutralize 1L of muratic/hydrochloric acid
02:59 BatSteve Not at all, but I'll listen.
02:59 roadran422 You need to do some stoich
02:59 roadran422 What's the molar of the muriatic acid
02:59 lwq1996 dump it all in :P
03:00 roadran422 Then too much lye :P
03:00 NeWtoz I just know dihydrogen monoxide can be dangerous
03:00 lwq1996 lol
03:00 roadran422 NeWtoz: I don't think we are that dumb
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03:01 NeWtoz There is nothing false with my statement
03:01 roadran422 Water.
03:01 roadran422 masterofmonks: injektion needs hel
03:01 roadran422 *help
03:01 masterofmonks Spatula?
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03:01 roadran422 He needs to know how much lye to neutralize 1l of X molar hcl
03:02 lwq1996 KawaiiJess your buddy is here :P
03:02 KawaiiJess Oh fun
03:02 BatSteve hi kate!
03:02 BatSteve also, hi jess!
03:02 KawaiiJess Hai
03:02 injektion SPECIFIC GRAVITY (Water=1) : 1.160
03:03 lwq1996 hi katemonster
03:03 egrsteve tetrate it
03:03 injektion POUNDS/GALLON : 9.663
03:04 roadran422 masterofmonks: ? ^
03:04 lwq1996 why you Pissedmonster
03:05 injektion I use acid to destory hard drives and I have about 1.5 gallons of it in a storage container and I need to slowly neutralize it into something safe
03:05 roadran422 egrsteve: It's either Titration or Stoichiometry.
03:05 Pissedmonster because KawaiiJess is a fucking idiot.
03:05 tonsofpcs here's a nip for ya roadran422
03:05 BatSteve roadran422: stochiometry I think
03:05 injektion http://www.livoniafirefighters.com/docs/Neutralization%20Formulas%20%26%20Quick%20Access%20Charts.pdf
03:05 masterofmonks injektion, the simple methos, add a sodium hydroxide solution slowly until your PH is abotu 7
03:05 roadran422 Then yah.. xD
03:05 masterofmonks about*
03:06 roadran422 masterofmonks: That can work xD
03:06 roadran422 Use ph strips
03:06 roadran422 Or phenolphtalene
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03:06 tonsofpcs roadran422: errm... he needs to neutralize it, not test it with a violent reaction
03:06 lwq1996 you steal tanks DruidicTankThief
03:06 roadran422 tonsofpcs: Phenolphtalene can help determine if it's neutralized.
03:06 tonsofpcs alternatively, neutralize it with more hard drives!
03:06 egrsteve thanks, I am having spelling issues tonight
03:07 roadran422 Night!
03:07 injektion Sodium hydroxide, NaOH, MW = 40, white powder, synonyms are caustic soda, soda lye, caustic, and
03:07 injektion lye. High heat of reaction with toxic fumes. Maximum pH is 14 at 25C.
03:08 egrsteve AKA very strong base
03:08 egrsteve will strip anodizing off of aluminum
03:08 masterofmonks injektion, NaOH+HCl = H2O + NaCl
03:08 egrsteve among other things
03:09 injektion I could always use bicarb >_<
03:09 masterofmonks Though you will have some aluminmum chloride from the drives.
03:09 masterofmonks injektion, you could but it's not as nice of a reaction.
03:11 Druidic_Rifleman Noo i needed a second alt
03:11 Druidic_Rifleman and it popped into my head
03:11 injektion masterofmonks, I don't want to do anything like that because my dad gets nervous
03:12 masterofmonks If you mix small amounts at a time, you won't have much of a reaction.
03:12 lwq1996 hmmm, idea!!!! is it possible to make a car that runs on solid fuel
03:12 egrsteve sure, external combustion engine
03:13 injektion masterofmonks, bicarb is easier to find anyway
03:13 BatSteve lwq1996: anything's possible if you want it bad enough
03:13 masterofmonks Think like this. add a cup of acid to half a gallon of water, and add hydroxide solution until your ph is 7, flush it down the toilet.
03:13 masterofmonks injektion, Actually not in the quantity you would need.
03:13 lwq1996 what is a clean explosive, on that leaves no or little by products
03:13 lwq1996 one*
03:14 injektion How many pounds do I need to neutralize 1L of muratic acid
03:14 Druidic_Rifleman Hydrogen
03:14 injektion 20?
03:14 masterofmonks Red Devil Lye is sold in grocery stores.
03:14 masterofmonks .g gunpowder carburator
03:14 BotSteve masterofmonks: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarsgasa.htm
03:14 injektion I don't know if I want to flush that down the toilet or not because we have a septic tank
03:15 egrsteve lee, a steam engine would work too
03:15 masterofmonks injektion, it will be salt water.
03:15 lwq1996 hmmm
03:15 egrsteve aka external combustion
03:15 masterofmonks 1680 gar run on gunpowder.
03:15 masterofmonks car*
03:15 egrsteve look up the stanly steamer, that was a fast one
03:16 egrsteve it held the land speed record for steam for a long time, to be honest it still may
03:16 egrsteve 120 MPH if I remember right
03:17 injektion In that case I will need another glass beaker
03:17 masterofmonks You just have to check your PH
03:18 masterofmonks Also most toilet bowl cleaners are something like 15%-20% hydrochloric acid.
03:19 injektion I know about toilet bowl cleaners because one of the buildings where I work produces one
03:19 injektion http://motopreserve.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/the-works.jpg
03:19 masterofmonks Correct.
03:19 masterofmonks So you are flushing that down your toilet.
03:20 masterofmonks Anything weaker than that should do the trick.
03:20 injektion I remember one day getting that crap all over my arms due to a defective bottle
03:20 lwq1996 ouch
03:21 masterofmonks Ah, fun.
03:22 injektion It burned for a few seconds and then I started itching like hell
03:22 masterofmonks Yeah, sounds about right.
03:22 masterofmonks And then you hit the wash station.
03:22 injektion There wasn't a wash station near by I had to walk 5 minutes to get to one
03:23 masterofmonks We had a 30 gallon drum of this crap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexafluorosilicic_acid
03:23 BotSteve Title: Hexafluorosilicic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
03:23 masterofmonks That is the shit they use to flouridate water.
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03:25 masterofmonks I am sure you can imagine that I gave it a wide berth.
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03:26 wannabe1987 omg brownies
03:26 masterofmonks Where?
03:26 masterofmonks Can I have some?
03:26 wannabe1987 my my mouf
03:26 wannabe1987 in*
03:26 wannabe1987 um no....
03:26 wannabe1987 this is the last one :/
03:26 * masterofmonks cries.
03:27 wannabe1987 .brownie masterofmonks
03:27 wannabe1987 what, sndwrx was here?
03:27 injektion I need to get something that removes chlorine and flouride from water
03:27 injektion I also need to get one of these http://www.amazon.com/PYREX-Griffin-2000mL-Beaker-Graduated/dp/B003TVDGVC/ref=pd_sbs_indust_2
03:27 wannabe1987 hi injektion
03:27 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: PYREX Griffin Low Form 2000mL Beaker Graduated Ea: Industrial & Scientific
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03:27 masterofmonks injektion, the job is bringing out the chemist in you?
03:28 masterofmonks Also I want a sepratory funnel, though to be honest it's for making coffee.
03:28 NeWtoz You and your baking
03:28 NeWtoz brag brag brag
03:29 masterofmonks One of these days I am going to order a dozen cookies from her, and see what all the fuss is about.
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03:29 wannabe1987 who, me? i didn't make the brownies
03:29 wannabe1987 tehy tasted like from a box, bt were still nommy
03:29 injektion masterofmonks, maybe but all I know is that I don't want to pay to have the 1.5gal of muratic acid I have diposed of
03:29 tehdark45 masterofmonks, i think going over there is a better idea
03:30 masterofmonks tehdark45, go over where?
03:30 tonsofpcs injektion: sodium! :D
03:30 tehdark45 to wannabe1987's place
03:30 tonsofpcs [not really]
03:30 tehdark45 and get cookies
03:31 masterofmonks tehdark45, It is 1.5 kilomiles from me.
03:33 tehdark45 only a day drive away :p
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03:34 * wannabe1987 acquired 1980 star trek VHS today
03:34 wannabe1987 it was toing to be thrown away
03:34 wannabe1987 injektion: pm me?
03:34 injektion wannabe1987, chnage of plans
03:35 wannabe1987 yeah?
03:35 injektion I'm going to look for a new job instead
03:35 wannabe1987 cool
03:35 injektion Maybe I'll have some luck with an IT staffing company
03:36 wannabe1987 you could look up here....:P
03:37 tehdark45 injektion, crush some quaters, ??, ??,?? PROFIT!
03:37 tehdark45 :P
03:39 wannabe1987 awww :(
03:40 BatSteve injektion: good decision
03:40 wannabe1987 well, yes, but....
03:40 wannabe1987 :(
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03:40 wannabe1987 wb
03:41 tehdark45 lol
03:42 injektion wannabe1987, I really cannot stand working in the hell hole any more
03:42 wannabe1987 ik
03:42 wannabe1987 seriously, a new job will be good for you
03:42 wannabe1987 and your body
03:43 dr_jkl o.o
03:43 tehdark45 O_O
03:43 wannabe1987 hi
03:46 eadthem anyone have good IDE they can recommend
03:46 tehdark45 language>
03:46 tehdark45 ?*
03:46 eadthem codeblocks refuses to rember color settings  and VS is slow as molassis
03:46 eadthem c/c++
03:46 eadthem bit of asm
03:46 tehdark45 eclipse?
03:47 eadthem has to have autocompleation    and cutomisable colors
03:47 eadthem ya its faster than VS  but not by much
03:47 tehdark45 check and I think so
03:47 eadthem i use it for PHP for lack of a faster editor
03:47 tehdark45 eadthem, N++ and CMD
03:47 tehdark45 if you want speed
03:48 eadthem i just want something to appear on the screen as i type it at this point :p
03:48 tehdark45 eclipse is probably your best bet
03:48 BatSteve eadthem: does it have to be an IDE or just an editor?
03:48 eadthem well id like it to have good code compleation
03:48 injektion wannabe1987, It's bad enough that due to the amount of lithium hypochlorite I get exposed to every day there I can no longer take lithium for my mental disorder
03:48 BatSteve I've heard good thing about eclipse as well.
03:48 eadthem like intelisense  only without the slow as molassis MS database running it
03:49 eadthem ile try it for c++ but eclipse is very slow for php
03:49 tehdark45 eadthem, get a better computer
03:49 injektion For some reason it always throws off my lithium blood tests
03:49 tehdark45 VS is not that slow
03:49 wannabe1987 seriously?  that sucks.  yeah, go get a better, safer job.  tgg will always be here
03:49 injektion Nigt all
03:49 injektion Night*
03:50 wannabe1987 bye...
03:51 eadthem k right there   all the sudden my music stops   the HDD is hammering  and task manager says about 2-5 diffrent VS components are sitting all at 100% cpu ussage
03:52 eadthem what is it doing    its updating the intelisense db   even tho i havent added a character sense i opend it to copy my colors over
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03:53 wannabe1987 BatSteve:  i just want someone to come visit.  i totally agree injektion needs a new job and FAST, i know he complaines, his boyfriend complains, etc.  i just want someone to come visit damnit
03:53 wannabe1987 :P
03:53 BatSteve wannabe1987: Why?
03:54 BatSteve What's important about having visitors?
03:54 wannabe1987 because it'd be fun?
03:54 wannabe1987 my rooms finally clean....
03:54 BatSteve :D   clean rooms are an awesome reason to have guests
03:54 wannabe1987 i cleaned it cuz greg was gonna come, then he got stuck in canada and idk when he's coming
03:57 tehdark45 wannabe1987, why? American Border being derp?
03:57 wannabe1987 no
03:58 wannabe1987 pm
03:58 * wannabe1987 listenes to "my girl" on yt :D
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04:07 tehdark45 nazcais no longer a cool kid cuse JustoStyle also has IPv6
04:07 tehdark45 :P
04:08 tehdark45 wait
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04:08 tehdark45 that wasn't you lol
04:09 wannabe1987 .seen toastdude
04:09 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Toastdude 4.62 hours ago at 2012-02-12 23:32:33 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:09:49 UTC
04:12 * wannabe1987 watches more dr who
04:17 mantere i have been stuck on season 2 of dr. who for about 6 months
04:17 wannabe1987 why?
04:19 sndwrx Well.
04:19 wannabe1987 welcome back!
04:19 mantere i don't really know. i watched all the mst3k episodes last year, so i probably got over dose of old scifi
04:19 sndwrx Thanks!
04:19 wannabe1987 you've been missed
04:19 wannabe1987 i had a question for you....but i couldn't do a tell because the bot was down :(
04:19 wannabe1987 i'm in series six, thankfully
04:19 BatSteve ):
04:20 BatSteve sorry wannabe
04:20 wannabe1987 but i'm here to say it now! :D
04:21 wannabe1987 sndwrx: what trackers (for windows 7 and xp) do you reccomend?
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04:22 mantere music trackers?
04:22 tehdark45 torrent trackers?
04:22 wannabe1987 computer trakcers...in case someone takes a computer
04:22 tehdark45 :P
04:22 tehdark45 ohhh]Prey
04:22 tehdark45 Prey*
04:23 tehdark45 .g Prey
04:23 BotSteve tehdark45: http://preyproject.com/
04:27 sndwrx Yeah, Prey is pretty nice.
04:27 sndwrx That would be my only recommendation for Windows.
04:27 lwq1996 is it good to have chest pains?
04:27 wannabe1987 ok
04:27 lwq1996 they go away and come back
04:27 wannabe1987 no lee
04:27 wannabe1987 where in your chest?
04:27 wannabe1987 heartburn?
04:27 sndwrx Of course, I'm not very familiar with any other solutions for Windows as I'm not a frequent Windows user.
04:27 wannabe1987 true
04:28 lwq1996 no, pain, a little above where the rib cage comes together in the middle
04:28 wannabe1987 what side?
04:28 wannabe1987 left/right?
04:29 lwq1996 middle
04:29 wannabe1987 where the rib cage  comes together theres a bone called your sternum, your lungs are underneath it
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04:30 Druidic_Rifleman whats up
04:30 wannabe1987 dr who + monsters
04:30 tehdark45 sitting
04:31 lwq1996 FUCK
04:31 wannabe1987 lee?
04:31 lwq1996 PAIN
04:31 wannabe1987 yes, i know.
04:32 lwq1996 pain gone
04:32 lwq1996 that one hurt!!!!
04:32 wannabe1987 :/
04:32 tehdark45 lwq1996, having  a chest baby?
04:33 Druidic_Rifleman lee i told you that xenophillia is extreamly dangerous WHY on earth we're you trying to Makelove toa face hugger?
04:33 einball G'd morning
04:34 tehdark45 Gutentag einball
04:34 wannabe1987 hi
04:34 einball its fuck fucking early in here ... got up at 0400
04:34 wannabe1987 WHY?!
04:34 einball now its 0534 ...
04:34 tehdark45 You crazy bro?
04:34 einball the last slaughter :D
04:34 einball the last battle before insanity :D
04:35 egrsteve the best way to deal with insanity is to ignore it
04:35 * wannabe1987 has eye dr appt at 10:30a tomorrow
04:35 egrsteve maybe it will go away
04:35 tehdark45 wannabe1987, how many fingers?
04:35 tehdark45 :P
04:35 * egrsteve has class at 0800
04:36 wannabe1987 11.  my glasses are too strong, i have 20/15
04:36 tehdark45 sux 4 u lol
04:36 tehdark45 steve not wannabe1
04:36 wannabe1987 with them on, 20/40, 20/50 w/o them (depends on the eye)
04:36 einball OpAmps, superposition, Ohms Law (cooler than Mc Hammer! :D ), conductivity matrix
04:36 tehdark45 I have around 2 persription
04:36 tehdark45 lol
04:37 BatSteve nothing is cooler than MC Hammer
04:37 BatSteve also, bed
04:37 BatSteve g'night team
04:37 tehdark45 BatSteve, Ice Cube
04:37 tehdark45 :P
04:37 egrsteve einball: that is a fun time right there
04:37 wannabe1987 night leader
04:37 tehdark45 bye bat
04:37 egrsteve I assume ideal op-amps
04:37 einball egrsteve: huh? :D
04:37 einball sure :D
04:38 egrsteve you list of stuff above
04:38 wannabe1987 astro73|alice: that photo is insanely epic :D
04:38 einball theoretical constructs .. everything you learn in university is fcking theoretical :-/
04:38 astro73|alice wannabe1987: which one?
04:38 wannabe1987 the dragon one
04:39 einball I'll be at 0640 at starbucks to sit at 0800 there taking the test :
04:39 tehdark45 einball, not at a more practical college such as mine
04:39 astro73|alice ok
04:39 egrsteve indeed it is, unless you have a prof that realizes that and teaches when the rules can be broken and shat is good ennough
04:40 tehdark45 einball, Starbucks? Psst, tims is where the cool kids are :P
04:40 einball We don't have that here .. Starbucks is indeed the only shop that sells coffee at that time :D
04:40 einball egrsteve: yup ... :)
04:40 wannabe1987 no mcdonalds?
04:40 egrsteve I had a chapter called things that go boing, of all the non-idealities and what they can cause in micro-controller type systems
04:40 einball But I do break the rules for myself .. Iam a crazy hobbyist ^^
04:41 astro73|alice today, my dad gave me a box of ICs from the 80's. Most of them are 74-series
04:41 tehdark45 wannabe1987, are you suggesting the consupsion of McDonalds coffee?
04:41 egrsteve when is a wire not a wire ect
04:41 einball heeheeehee ... that's fun .. but its more fun in analog circuits
04:41 wannabe1987 their iced coffee is good
04:41 einball a wire is never just a wire.
04:41 einball a wire is life
04:41 egrsteve astro thats could be a box full of fun
04:41 wannabe1987 http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399881_293204830742786_284739208256015_807053_15749849_n.jpg  epic photo
04:41 einball a wire is inductive
04:41 einball a wire is capacitive
04:42 einball a wire is god in the eyes of its hobbyist
04:42 astro73|alice egrsteve: yes. Esp since a few of them are fancier things. And my gf didn't understand I wanted to keep computer stuff from 25yrs ago
04:42 egrsteve it is but when it is several times shorter than the wavelength of the signal in it  it can be just treated as a wire most times
04:42 tehdark45 astro73|alice, make a cpu
04:42 einball or as a lecherline :D
04:42 tehdark45 :P
04:43 astro73|alice tehdark45: I don't have that many chips. But I've heard of it.
04:43 egrsteve it also depends on the shape of the signal :)
04:43 astro73|alice somehow, I don't think a blinkenlight computer would be appreciated much...
04:43 einball a signal is nothing else than multiple sinewaves :3
04:43 egrsteve astro the 74xx are all solid state logic ICs
04:43 einball never fuck with the signal ... It will destroy you :3
04:44 astro73|alice egrsteve: I know. Basic TTL logic chips.
04:44 egrsteve great go all fourior ?sp  with me
04:44 egrsteve well that depends they could be cmos
04:44 tehdark45 .g BMOW
04:44 BotSteve tehdark45: http://www.bigmessowires.com/category/bmow1/
04:44 egrsteve it depends on the prefix
04:44 einball yup . 74hc is cmos
04:44 einball 74ht is ttl
04:44 astro73|alice true
04:44 astro73|alice I didn't look that closely.
04:44 egrsteve and about 15 other ones and voltage variations
04:45 astro73|alice i'm more interested in the handful of other chips, including some big ones
04:46 egrsteve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400_series_integrated_circuits
04:46 BotSteve Title: List of 7400 series integrated circuits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
04:46 egrsteve there are some large 7400 series
04:46 einball okay, iam sorry but I have to go
04:47 wannabe1987 bye
04:47 einball tnx fer nice es freaky chat :D
04:47 einball and 73!
04:48 astro73|alice includeing an S6821P Parallel Interface Adapter
04:48 egrsteve 73's
04:54 wannabe1987 sndwrx how have you been?
05:03 wannabe1987 ah!  cybermen in the dressing room! :/
05:04 wannabe1987 lol he speaks baby!
05:06 astro73|alice Stormagedon@
05:06 wannabe1987 yeah
05:06 astro73|alice also, Craig+Doctor
05:07 wannabe1987 everyone else is pesants.  he is not-mom
05:07 wannabe1987 why is he working in a shop?
05:07 astro73|alice he works in a shop now
05:07 astro73|alice didn't you know?
05:07 wannabe1987 i do now
05:10 wannabe1987 cybermen in the elevator thing
05:16 * wannabe1987 sets up prey on wannabe
05:21 SarahM and sets it up on sarah as well
05:24 lwq1996 im still having pains in my chest
05:24 wannabe1987 :/
05:26 wannabe1987 tell your mom?
05:26 wannabe1987 it could be from stress
05:27 lwq1996 heh, ive had more stress and no, she would say im a hypocondriact
05:27 wannabe1987 cumulative stress
05:28 wannabe1987 your body is unders a lot of stress, even if you yourself isn't under a lot of stress.
05:28 wannabe1987 we almost got rid of our 500lb+ resident today
05:33 lwq1996 you almost shot her!!!!!!!!!! D:
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05:35 wannabe1987 no, she called the cops "my butt hurts.  i can't breathe.  blah blah blah" but found out that if removed from our premises, she wouldn't be allowed back and said "no i won't go"
05:36 Seroster .... NSFW
05:36 wannabe1987 no, that was my co-workers day at work today.  our 500-600lb chick almost left, but yeah
05:41 wannabe1987 ood!
05:42 lwq1996 seroster, why would you put a comment like that one there
05:42 lwq1996 on*
05:42 wannabe1987 looked at when he walked in?
05:42 Seroster lol
05:42 wannabe1987 butt hurt :P
05:43 * wannabe1987 should wash her clothes before tomorrow
05:43 wannabe1987 aka
05:43 wannabe1987 now
05:44 lwq1996 i should go to sleep before tomorrow
05:44 lwq1996 aka
05:44 lwq1996 now
05:44 lwq1996 :P
05:52 lwq1996 i busted another gut XD http://www.photoblip.com/pictures/21402/slogan-fail.html
05:52 BotSteve Title: Slogan Fail
05:52 wannabe1987 lol
05:52 wannabe1987 .in 50minutes LAUNDRY
05:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 06:42Z
05:53 wannabe1987 i had to switch my housemates laundry....nicks to the hamper, kelley's to the dryer and start.  if i don't have clean clothes tomorrow i cannot work
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05:53 wannabe1987 i just can't wear any ol scrubs to work
05:54 wannabe1987 s/scrubs/clothes
05:54 wannabe1987 i wish i could
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05:57 wannabe1987 wb
05:57 lwq1996 im going to bed
05:57 lwq1996 later
05:57 wannabe1987 night hun :hugs:
05:57 wannabe1987 take care
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06:05 wannabe1987 hi!
06:05 wannabe1987 a bunch of boys left, glad to see a female face!
06:05 wannabe1987 :D
06:06 hhrlisa Hi
06:06 hhrlisa I am so tired right now
06:06 wannabe1987 why
06:06 hhrlisa I work third shift. I have a three year old and a husband who works firsts. I don't sleep as much as I needto
06:07 wannabe1987 ahhhh
06:08 hhrlisa I've been contemplating talking to my doctor about having her write me a note about not being able to do my job and collect disablilty or unemployment or something
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06:10 wannabe1987 disability? whats your disability that hampers you from working?
06:13 hhrlisa well maybe not disability but something idk..  I can't keep doing this to myself or my baby. being pregnant and not sleeping isn't good
06:13 wannabe1987 true
06:13 wannabe1987 switch shifts?
06:14 hhrlisa can't.  we can't afford daycare. and we only have one car
06:16 wannabe1987 take something to make you sleep quicker once hubby gets home?
06:16 hhrlisa like what? theres not much i can take while pregnant.
06:17 hhrlisa and its not a matter of falling asleep i fall asleep fine. I just don't get enough of it
06:17 wannabe1987 i don't know.  i'm not a nurse!  just a nurse aid
06:17 wannabe1987 aide*
06:17 wannabe1987 i just lift the people, change them, and wipe them....the RN's/LPN's get the drugs and tube feeds and catheters and fun stuff
06:19 hhrlisa lol yeah i know. thats why this is all so confusing for me.
06:19 hhrlisa i don't know what to do. i mean i get so exhausted that i break down crying. and i know thats not good
06:21 wannabe1987 i'd go talk to the doc.
06:21 wannabe1987 he's/she's pretty good at her job, obviously
06:21 hhrlisa I'm going to. :) thanks for listening to me bitch
06:21 wannabe1987 no prob.  its my job.  i do it at work....
06:21 wannabe1987 altho, dealing with old persons depression, esp when family DOES NOT VISIT, is hard.
06:22 Seroster Lets see now.
06:22 hhrlisa I bet. my grandma used to be in a home. it was so depressing
06:22 Seroster r/m = rah*m/mm2
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06:26 wannabe1987 hi Hackbat!
06:27 Hackbat hihi
06:27 wannabe1987 how are you?
06:28 Hackbat good
06:28 wannabe1987 good
06:39 Seroster I think I might be fucked for this exam.  Thing is I know my classmates are at least twice as fucked as I am =)
06:41 hhrlisa Good positive outlook
06:41 wannabe1987 so did he die?  that episode had me confused, thanks to the download stopping and pausing and doing doubles and generally being annoying, like HighMan|Sleep
06:42 BotSteve wannabe1987: LAUNDRY
06:43 wannabe1987 thanks BotSteve
06:43 BotSteve You're welcome, wannabe1987
06:44 hhrlisa lol nice
06:44 wannabe1987 yep.  i need clean scrubs
06:44 Seroster Positive temperaturecoiffience PTC, resistance increases with heat.
06:45 Seroster Negative temperaturecoiffience NTC, recistance decreases with heat.
06:45 hhrlisa i did laundry here at work last night.
06:45 Seroster Resistance of 1meter 1mm2 copper 0,0175ohms.   Silver 0.016  Aluminium 0.030
06:45 egrsteve Seroster: NTP resistors make good temp sensors, fairly linear, PTCs make nice resetable fuses
06:46 Seroster Yup
06:46 Seroster Sure do
06:46 Seroster Effect loss in a cable is resistance of wire times I squared
06:47 egrsteve and just resistors are hopefully neither, but then thermal noise still applies
06:47 Seroster Luckily I don't have to memorize the formulas for paralell resistance
06:48 wannabe1987 kelley's gonna be mad...her laundry wasn't completely dry, but i shoved it in a basket anyway....
06:48 egrsteve thats easy inverse sum of inverses
06:48 Seroster Sadly I don't have to memorize resistor colour codes either, sad since I already have them memorized with one of the most offensive mneumonics ever
06:49 egrsteve yes, most resistor mneumonics are offensive
06:49 Seroster Most mneumonics are offensive.
06:49 Seroster Makes you remember the,
06:49 egrsteve resister ones in pertucular are though
06:49 Seroster violet, that little slut... =)
06:50 Seroster Anyway
06:50 wannabe1987 http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2012/01/my-kids-are-jealous.html  damn canadians
06:50 BotSteve Title: Doctor Grumpy in the House: My kids are jealous (hell, so am I!)
06:50 Seroster Gotta leav for school, cya eagersteve
06:50 egrsteve ttyl
06:50 Seroster (Yes I know it's engineer, but I think of you as eager)
06:50 egrsteve ok
06:51 egrsteve have fun ;)
06:57 wannabe1987 one more episode of dr who left, the christmas special (this past one, where dr who dies confused me because the download i got SUCKED.  eventually i'll rewatch them all) but after that, what am i supposed to watch?  nothing will be as awesome.
07:32 Sgt_Lemming http://www.girlswithslingshots.com/comics/2011-11-07-GWS1271.jpg
07:34 n1mjf GM TGG
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08:07 Sgt_Lemming nice, aussie dollar is on the rise again
08:07 Sgt_Lemming now at 1.07 USD :-D
08:08 n1mjf the US$ is not good anymore.
08:08 Sgt_Lemming whereas the aussie dollar just keeps getting better and better
08:08 Sgt_Lemming we have been remarkably unaffected by the GFC
08:08 n1mjf Didn't that have something to do with China?
08:09 Sgt_Lemming partly, we do a fair amount of trade with them, and they weren't affected by it much either
08:10 Sgt_Lemming but it's also largely because our government moved very VERY swiftly to avoid it affecting us much
08:10 Sgt_Lemming including a huge stimulus package
08:10 * n1mjf has always wanted to go to AU
08:10 Sgt_Lemming each person over 18 in australia got $900 that they were encouraged to spend to help stimulate our economy and prevent it from stagnating
08:10 Sgt_Lemming it worked
08:10 n1mjf ...I wonder if my company has offices there. Most likely.
08:11 n1mjf We got that a few years here.. Too bad it just went to bills.
08:11 dr_jkl someone hilight me
08:12 * Sgt_Lemming colours dr_jkl in with highlighters
08:12 Sgt_Lemming oooh, nice and bright and trippy now
08:12 dr_jkl ooo
08:12 dr_jkl lol
08:12 * n1mjf draws a clown face on dr_jkl with a sharpy.
08:12 n1mjf hehehe
08:17 * exor674 hugs dr_jkl!
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10:15 Sgt_Lemming is it bad that I am watching a movie and hear an arcade game, and recognise it by the sound alone?
10:15 y007-nb no
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10:39 HighMan|Sleep HOLY HELL NETSPLIT!
10:40 y007-nb eeyup
10:41 y007-nb you was on the node that split too
11:00 einball 4OMG
11:01 einball egrsteve: that was so easy lol
11:08 einball Hehehe "cut the midrange, drop the bass" "Fuck you! In sovjet russia bass drops YOU!"
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12:38 tonsofpcs ugh
12:39 tonsofpcs Seroster: ok, glad I'm not the only one :-p [egr]
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13:07 Hackbat I just learned a valuable lesson
13:07 angy morning yNos
13:07 Hackbat Half asleep me is a retard
13:08 * BitViper yawns at yNos
13:10 dbshortwave Hackbat we all have retard moments
13:10 yNos half asleep?
13:10 yNos is that like "being a little drunk"
13:10 BitViper dbshortwave : speak for yourself =P
13:10 Nekoroms i'm like drunk when too tired :)
13:10 yNos or.. "a little pregnant"
13:11 angy just a little then
13:11 * BitViper is always half asleep, its the other half that keeps getting me in trouble
13:11 dbshortwave lol yNos.. im pretty sure you've done something wrather dumb from time to time BitViper lol
13:11 yNos not to BitViper
13:12 BitViper dbshortwave : *looks innocent* naaaaaa
13:12 dbshortwave i call bullshit lol
13:12 yNos i am a 0-60 kinda sleeper.. i gogogogogogogogogogogogo then crash
13:12 BitViper dbshortwave : *innocent look*
13:13 yNos wait.. topic change and i am too fcking slow to realize?
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13:13 yNos Druidic_Rifleman!
13:13 yNos welcome back.
13:13 BitViper front too
13:14 yNos we know what BitViper prefers....
13:14 BitViper LOL
13:14 Druidic_Rifleman hey
13:14 yNos how is tgg's loudest canadian doing?
13:14 Nekoroms doh no CB today
13:15 Druidic_Rifleman meh
13:16 dbshortwave i spent a good 30-40 mins pulling the tone and preamp section out of the amp i built
13:16 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6yNVwRl4Rg&amp;feature=mfu_in_order&amp;list=UL tempted to try this
13:16 BotSteve Title: Making Blacksmith Tongs - 2 - YouTube
13:17 dbshortwave i connected the inputs direct to the driver section
13:17 yNos and?
13:17 dbshortwave it sounds 100% better
13:17 Druidic_Rifleman Cause i need a good like fine tip tong
13:19 dbshortwave im looking for another leslie 51c or output transformers
13:19 yNos dbshortwave: hammond transformers..
13:20 dbshortwave i was looking at the ones on parts express
13:20 * BitViper is going back to bed, has been up most of the night trying to figure out gears
13:22 dbshortwave i want to use 6550 tubes at some point
13:22 dbshortwave but i want to make this a stereo amp
13:22 Druidic_Rifleman hmmm
13:22 dbshortwave an the trasformers are pricey
13:23 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna build a hybridrockey engion
13:25 yNos does anyone have an ssh-able machine that i can make a 51ishGig backup to?
13:25 yNos should only last a couple days
13:25 angy days? :)
13:25 yNos it will take longer to upload/download from here..
13:26 yNos well.. when i last rsync'd it to home it took 1 day up, 1 day down..
13:26 dbshortwave i would say here... but gah everything here is down doing relocational things
13:26 yNos i just fucked up a machine that isnt supposed to be on the internet...
13:26 yNos well
13:26 yNos the office network..
13:27 angy hahaha
13:27 yNos so i cant use my normal mechanisms.
13:28 yNos IDEA!!!
13:28 yNos hmm..
13:29 angy I only have like 7G avalaible on the zfiler currently
13:29 angy you'll have to wait for the next filer to be added if you want to save at my home
13:29 angy which is tonight
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13:43 Druidic_Rifleman any one know how to take a screen shot?
13:44 Druidic_Rifleman Doing a sketch to send to moose to see if has the tooling
13:45 Druidic_Rifleman if the lab has*
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13:47 DruidicSniper wow disconnect
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13:48 DruidicSniper ??? how do i take a Sceen shot?
13:49 MoxieMike pc or mac?
13:49 DruidicSniper PC vista
13:49 MoxieMike print screen button
13:49 MoxieMike to get just the active window use alt+print screen
13:50 DruidicSniper hmmm
13:50 MoxieMike the screenshot is now on the clipboard...paste it into paint, or some other picture editing software
13:50 DruidicSniper then what
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13:51 Druidic_Rifleman alt+ print screen then what
13:51 MoxieMike the screenshot is now on the clipboard...paste it into paint, or some other picture editing software
13:52 Druidic_Rifleman it's not working
13:53 MoxieMike it should
13:53 MoxieMike i just did it on my laptop and i'm running xp
13:53 MoxieMike it worked on my vista laptop
13:54 Druidic_Rifleman hmmmm
13:55 Druidic_Rifleman odd
13:56 Druidic_Rifleman where would i check the settings
13:56 MoxieMike no idea
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13:56 MoxieMike perhaps your print screen button also requires the function button
13:57 Druidic_Rifleman damn
13:57 Druidic_Rifleman this is turning out to be a less simpletask then i thought
13:58 MoxieMike it should be easy
13:58 tonsofpcs win 35
13:58 tonsofpcs bah
13:58 tonsofpcs I'm already here anyway ;)
13:58 tonsofpcs Saw something that I don't see too often....
13:59 tonsofpcs A soft-top.... with New Mexico tags.... partially covered in snow.... driving down the highway.... with a window partially open.
14:00 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm
14:00 SparkyProjects Druidic_Rifleman: try this (second method) http://askville.amazon.com/screenshot-Vista/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=9786478
14:00 BotSteve Title: How do I take a screenshot using Vista?
14:02 SparkyProjects There's also a SHIFT+PRT SCR method for current window
14:02 tonsofpcs printscr, alt+printscr...
14:04 Druidic_Rifleman Done thanks
14:06 Seroster ...
14:07 * angy fondles Seroster
14:18 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: I see nothing about such tests.  I do see notes about high impedence ground paths possibly causing loop currents between subpanels if they are bonded and that's why they prohibit bonding of subpanels....
14:20 tonsofpcs I wonder... are your circuits line-line or line-neutral?
14:25 Seroster A question I have never gotten satisfyingly answered; Can a transistor be half open, or is it all PWM?
14:25 tonsofpcs oh, I found notes about requirements of grounding.... 250.4(A)(5)
14:25 tonsofpcs Seroster: I've found plenty of half-open transistors that let out the magic smoke.....
14:25 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna keh|Lap: I see nothing about such tests.  I do see notes about high impedence ground paths possibly causing loop currents between subpanels if they are bonded and that's why they prohibit bonding of subpanels....
14:25 Druidic_Rifleman <tonsofpcs> I wonder... are your circuits line-line or line-neutral?
14:25 Druidic_Rifleman <Seroster> A question I have never gotten satisfyingly answered; Can a transistor be half open, or is it all PWM?
14:25 Druidic_Rifleman <tonsofpcs> oh, I found notes about requirements of grounding.... 250.4(A)(5)
14:25 Druidic_Rifleman Derp
14:26 tonsofpcs :)
14:26 Druidic_Rifleman I want to buld a rocket engion
14:26 tonsofpcs as for in actual use of non-failed components, I don't know.
14:26 Seroster ...Why did you copypaste large pieces of log?
14:26 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: ever done any model rocketry?
14:26 Seroster tonsofpcs, Assuming they are borked
14:26 tonsofpcs Seroster: my guess is putty + click + right-click?
14:26 Seroster Righto
14:27 tonsofpcs Seroster: borked transistors can fail in a half-shorted-out half-open state.
14:27 Druidic_Rifleman yes
14:27 Seroster Anyway. People often liken transistor to a valve, but... Valves can be half open... Most of the time my faucet is half open...
14:27 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: I can answer some of that
14:27 SparkyProjects Our distribution is from a substation that gives 240 V on 3 phases, the 'star point' of the transformer is neutral and ground, a domestic circuit is 240 V single phase
14:27 tonsofpcs of course, this can happen in the circuit board too.
14:27 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: so 240V Line-Neutral then?
14:27 SparkyProjects yep
14:28 Seroster Yuz
14:28 tonsofpcs k.  I found a section that talks about it.  250.4(A)(5).  Trying to find an actual copy of code, not just something that explains it
14:28 Seroster I got closer to 250 than 230 xD
14:28 SparkyProjects We ground at any further sub panels
14:28 tonsofpcs because the book I have is basically an interpretation that says "over here it says this but it means this" but it doesn't quote the whole thing
14:28 Seroster ...Don't you ground evrything that can be grounded? =P
14:29 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: I think the key question here is *how* you ground those further sub panels
14:29 Seroster Having no idea what you mean by further sub panels, you ground them the same way you ground any subpanel
14:30 tonsofpcs which is...?
14:30 Seroster What are you asking about in what instance?
14:30 Druidic_Rifleman thing od tons is you can have a rocket engion and its still cooland usefull but you can't have a rocket with out anenhion
14:31 Druidic_Rifleman engion
14:31 tonsofpcs this is where I get into trouble talking with Monkeh.  He says things like "you do it just like X" but we do X in 3 completely different ways.
14:31 Seroster You got a subpanel, right? You take the ground wire (G/Y) and hook to the case
14:31 SparkyProjects Seroster, yes, main panel has grounding and bonding to any exposed metal that can come in contact with power on a fault, so water, gas, and oil pipes, obviously any metal panels etc.
14:31 SparkyProjects A sub panel would have Live Neutral, and Earth from the main panel
14:32 Guardianzozo talking about making that rocket again druid?
14:32 Druidic_Rifleman yeah
14:32 Guardianzozo building a rocket to get into the USA is NOT a valid way to get to the lab
14:32 Druidic_Rifleman I sent arough draft of the sideprofileview to moose apparently the TL100 can do it
14:33 SparkyProjects Generally a normal house doesn't need subpanels, unless it's something like a shed or garage that's a distance from the house
14:33 Guardianzozo =)
14:33 Druidic_Rifleman Wait i shouldn't try to fly into the us on a stealth rocket glider>
14:33 Druidic_Rifleman ??
14:33 tonsofpcs *registers with NFPA*
14:33 Guardianzozo lol
14:33 Druidic_Rifleman it's actually For a small scale demo
14:33 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: you'll be shot down.  Especially over the far northern states...
14:34 Druidic_Rifleman ah what it i paint it with an american flag paint job?
14:35 tonsofpcs "shoot first, ask questions later"
14:35 tonsofpcs especially for projectiles.
14:35 Druidic_Rifleman ah
14:36 tonsofpcs wow, they really make it hard to read the NEC online...
14:36 Guardianzozo what he is saying is you need a low flying glider
14:36 Guardianzozo something below radar
14:36 Guardianzozo lol
14:36 tonsofpcs Guardianzozo: he could just hop a ship across lake ontario...
14:36 tonsofpcs they present it with a 'book reader' java app and don't let you jump to a page
14:36 tonsofpcs there's >800 pages.
14:37 Guardianzozo oh thats lovely
14:37 tonsofpcs and they have a silly page turn animation....
14:37 tonsofpcs that makes it take 4 seconds or so to turn one page... I need to get to page 109
14:37 Guardianzozo lol
14:37 Guardianzozo wow
14:37 tonsofpcs note: this is a code manual, it's not designed to be read front-to-back
14:38 tonsofpcs they _really_ want to sell you a copy.
14:39 Druidic_Rifleman whats the bok about
14:39 tonsofpcs luckilly it's presented as a 2-page spread... oh, and you can't zoom at all, so it's a good thing my monitor is 1600px wide to see both pages
14:40 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: NAtional Electric Code
14:40 Druidic_Rifleman i see
14:41 tonsofpcs found it!
14:42 tonsofpcs ok, so Monkeh|Lap, here's how our code handles it:  250.4(A)(%) of NFPA 70 (National Electrical Code).  Note: I can't quote it because I basically had to sign an NDA to read it......
14:43 tonsofpcs but it basically says the ground has to be able to carry the maximum possible ground-fault current safely and that the earth isn't an effective ground-fault path.
14:46 tonsofpcs there is no testing requirement, but (per this interpretation book) for any system beyond a dirt-simple one, you pretty much have to do a full battery of tests to ensure compliance and those tests are "theoretical ideals" (alternatively, you overengineer it...)
14:47 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: The way we get around it is that the protective earth (within the house wiring) must be able to carry the fault current, if the impedance from the house to the substation is below a certain level, we must install a Residual Current  Circuit Breaker, this detects an imbalance of current flowing out on the live and returning down the neutral, normally a difference of 63 or 100 mA will trip it
14:47 SparkyProjects We have to test the impedance
14:48 SparkyProjects Generally i would install a RCCB anyway as the ground could dry out and put the reading above the minimum
14:48 tonsofpcs See, We have a main disconnect CB and then any circuit fed inside must have its own current protection/limiting device (CB or Fuse)
14:50 SparkyProjects In industrial we also have a main incoming breaker, but for domestic it's normal for the RCCD to be first in line (after the supply cut out fuse), then a main switch on the distribution board
14:50 tonsofpcs now, note:  NEC is just a book published by the National Fire Protection Association every few (3?) years.  It itself is not law.  Many municipalities simply write into law "[blah blah blah] must follow NEC [year] or newer." and then write their own caveats onto it.
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14:51 SparkyProjects WE have to work with the IEE regs, basically a book, it consists of about 3 or 4 pages of regulations which are law, the rest of the book shows how to achieve regulations (how to do it)
14:52 tonsofpcs and when enough inspectors/electricians/municipalities complain about something in code being wonky, they change it (after review, etc.)
14:52 tonsofpcs so yea, NEC is 800+ pages.  This book explaining NEC (which basically requires the NEC on-hand to be any good in anything but the simplest situations) is over 1300 pages.  It is not a how-to guide.
14:53 tonsofpcs mind you, if you want to know the allowances for hooking up a freezer in a garage adjacent to an airplane hanger with a separate ground system but a subfed panel, there's probably a section on that.
14:53 egrsteve yes, there probably id
14:53 egrsteve *is
14:53 * yNos yawns again
14:54 egrsteve ynos, any thoughts http://www.ebay.com/itm/UHF-4-Cavity-Mobile-Duplexer-/230575053225?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item35af5819a9
14:54 SparkyProjects On top of the regs there's a book (on-site guide) that shows some typical examples
14:54 BotSteve Title: UHF 4 Cavity Mobile Duplexer | eBay
14:54 Experimentonomen my turntable have finally arrived after a too long wait :D
14:54 SparkyProjects Our regs are about 300 A4 paes
14:54 tonsofpcs (I know that hooking a freezer up in a garage attached to a house you don't need a GFCI outliet but you need to place a GFCI outlet for any tools as anything but a freezer (basically) needs a GFCI but a freezer doesn't.
14:54 Guardianzozo are there any hams on currently?
14:54 yNos egrsteve: not too shabby
14:55 tonsofpcs egrsteve: I wouldn't expect it to work between 438 and 442....
14:55 tonsofpcs (just a rough guess, haven't dug into specs)
14:55 yNos tonsofpcs: thanks for the input
14:55 tonsofpcs hi yNos :)
14:55 tonsofpcs are you guys building the repeater system at leonard street?
14:55 yNos yup
14:55 tonsofpcs cool :)
14:55 egrsteve 2 ranges (models) are listed, both rather narrow
14:56 egrsteve the other ones listed are mostly 6 caviry
14:56 egrsteve *cavity
14:56 yNos do you want to link the 2, or have your own there?
14:56 tonsofpcs oh, those are two separate units not a split tuning unit
14:56 SparkyProjects It is suggested that a main freezer has a separate circuit, the only protection is the 100mA main RCD and a circuit breaker (usually 15 amps)
14:56 SparkyProjects Any other socket (we use rig circuits) also have a 30mA RCD
14:57 SparkyProjects *ring  circuits
14:57 egrsteve ttyl, class time
14:57 tonsofpcs http://www.microwavefilter.com/ << 90% of the filters I see are from these guys.
14:57 BotSteve Title: Filter and Components from 5Hz to 50GHz
14:57 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: that was just an example of silly details that NEC gets into that makes it an 800 page document
14:58 tonsofpcs we don't use ring circuits, ofc
14:58 SparkyProjects That's why your panels are huge :P
14:58 yNos tonsofpcs: the ones i have seen are homemade.. at 2 meter repeater sites i have been to..
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15:00 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aE5oszXyQ
15:00 BotSteve Title: Gyroscopic self-leveling pool table on the cruise ship "Radiance of the Seas" - YouTube
15:00 tonsofpcs no, our panels are huge because we have to move the wires around inside them and we like allowing for electricians to work on panels hot even though I'm sure code says in 5000 places how bad of an idea it is ;)
15:01 tonsofpcs yNos: I think I've seen one or two home-made oil-filled drum types.  We have a stack of tuned cavities at one of our sites that I'm pretty sure isn't MFC.  Not sure who it is.  We have a Bird at one of the sites...
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15:03 SparkyProjects For a 3 bedroom house there would be 2xRCCB's, and about 10 breakers, and there's enough room to move cables and to work live
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15:05 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: http://www.emsd.gov.hk/emsd/eng_source/pps/electricity_new_8/guidelines/a05a.gif
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15:06 SparkyProjects http://www.buy-electrical.co.uk/contents/media/62585-1.jpg <--- avverage distribution board
15:06 Superphosphate Hi peoples
15:06 SparkyProjects hi
15:39 Experimentonomen seller fail, i got a UK plug :P
15:49 Seroster Heh
15:49 Seroster I like the UKplugs
15:49 Seroster They feel manly
15:50 Seroster But the polarity annoys me, with shuko you can get into tight spaces far easier
15:50 Experimentonomen i removed it and crimped on a swedish plug :P
15:50 Seroster The in plug fuse is kinda awesome, but seems like people will fuck up
15:51 Seroster Getting a nail into a swedish fusebox isnt easy, putting a nail in a ceramic fuse holder is child's play
15:51 Experimentonomen i don't do that
15:51 Experimentonomen and a 3A fuse for a turntable ? uuhhhh?
15:52 Seroster lol
15:52 Experimentonomen a 30mA fuse would have been enuf :P
15:52 Seroster UK is 230v, that gives us 690 (round off) 700 watts... =P
15:53 Experimentonomen uk is 240, sweden is 230
15:53 Seroster If you got a turntable that gives you 700watts you can expect 650 of them to be heat, wich is a lot. =P
15:53 Seroster Still in the 700 range
15:53 Experimentonomen im uploadin a quick vid
15:55 SparkyProjects You can get smaller fuses for our UK plugs, but generally 3 amps is easy to get from a local shop, and is fine for turntables.
15:55 Seroster What size are they?
15:56 * Experimentonomen has the volume way up as he spins Dj Dado - X Files (Paranormal Activity Mix)
15:56 SparkyProjects And Seroster, yes we've seen nails used on the farm where i worked, one thing about MK plugs (for the uk) is that you can get security screws, which is what we did on many of the plugs at work
15:56 Seroster 20*0.5mm are plentiful here
15:56 Seroster ... I hate that.
15:57 Seroster The use of security screws
15:57 Seroster I just drill them, but then you never got another screw that fits, so you leave that hole empty
15:58 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlDNewUCC3M
15:58 SparkyProjects Seroster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_1362#Fuses
15:58 BotSteve Title: Lenco L-76 turntable - YouTube
15:58 BotSteve Title: BS 1363 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15:58 SparkyProjects according to wiki they are 1 inch long
15:59 Seroster Experimentonomen, fucking audiophile.
15:59 SparkyProjects 1/4 inch dia
15:59 Seroster That would be 2.54mm long and... I hate fractions
15:59 Experimentonomen Seroster, huh?
15:59 Seroster You are an audiophile =P
15:59 Experimentonomen nope
15:59 Experimentonomen then i'd be spinning jazz and such :P
16:00 Experimentonomen and own gear worth 1000000+ euros per channel
16:01 Seroster Are ring circuits any good?
16:01 Experimentonomen ?
16:03 SparkyProjects Seroster, ring circuits are great, even power distribution while allowing as many sockets per ring as you like (within 100 sq metres), and you can change out a broken socket while live without affecting the rest of the circuit
16:04 Seroster Do you think they should be used worldwide?
16:04 SparkyProjects I think so
16:04 SparkyProjects We abandoned home run for sockets many years ago
16:05 SparkyProjects I think the 60's
16:05 Seroster Can you run a branch from a ring?
16:05 Seroster So you got a ring with a branch that goes to one or two outlets?
16:06 SparkyProjects yes, but there are limits
16:06 SparkyProjects 3 outlets max from any ring socket
16:06 Seroster Right
16:07 SparkyProjects Generally we have double and single sockets, so a double will be 2 outlets
16:08 Experimentonomen i need to mod this turntable, it hums quite a bit
16:09 SparkyProjects Experimentonomen: make sure you only have one ground point on the audio, normally at the amplifier, there shouldn't be an audio ground (to mains) at the turntable
16:10 Experimentonomen SparkyProjects, my previous turntable setup was dead silent, and this one is no different
16:11 Experimentonomen the hum started once the turntable plugged into the volume control, even at zero volume which has me pyzzled
16:12 SparkyProjects Check the turntable wiring, the shield of the audio should not be grounded to the turntable frame
16:12 Experimentonomen the turntable frame is plastic
16:12 * yNos wants fish'n chips
16:13 SparkyProjects ok, then be sure the audio ground is not connected to mains  earth at the turntable
16:13 Experimentonomen the turntable only has a 2pring cord
16:13 Experimentonomen prong*
16:13 Experimentonomen hot and neutral
16:14 SparkyProjects Also, if using twin coax, you may want to isolate one of the shields
16:14 Experimentonomen im using some component video cable between amp and volume control, turntable had a cable with rca plugs from factory
16:15 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea, we also generally use panels not DIN rails.  breakers pop into a bussed backplane and just have screw terminals for the load side
16:16 BitViper yNos get your chips some poles and send em fishin then
16:17 SparkyProjects Experimentonomen: If you have 2 parallel grounds anywhere on the audio, it's possible to pick up hum, my deck uses 2xRCA, but only one shield is grounded both ends, other is grounded one end
16:18 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: Yeah, you use what we would call and industrial panel, we have those too
16:18 angy .cookie yNos
16:18 BotSteve Here you go, yNos, I baked you an oatmeal cookie!
16:19 tonsofpcs (note: stuck in scrollback for a bit)
16:21 tonsofpcs ok, up to date
16:21 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea, and we really only have DIN rails in industrial settings ;)
16:22 tonsofpcs (mind, you that's often just to deal with european stuff only packaged in DIN-rail form)
16:23 SparkyProjects I actually prefer din rail to trying to undo screws on a contactor in a tightly packed control panel.
16:24 egrsteve ironicly most of the sin rail and US breakers are made by the same company
16:24 egrsteve * din rail
16:24 egrsteve square D and telemetrica are both owned by schnider electric
16:25 tonsofpcs I think we actually have some schnider branded breakers in one of our boxes....
16:25 tonsofpcs we also have a bunch of siemens here.
16:25 SparkyProjects egrsteve: many manufacturers are moving from screwed to di rail, but still have to cater for Americans who won't evolve :P :D
16:25 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: what do you mean by 'screwed' ?
16:26 egrsteve yes, some of the square D stuff is co-branded
16:26 yNos has anyone here ever used https://crypto.cat?
16:26 BotSteve Title: Cryptocat
16:26 egrsteve as is the telemetrica
16:26 tonsofpcs no, but looks silly.
16:26 SparkyProjects egrsteve: typically a contactor is fixed to the panel with 2 - 4 screws
16:28 SparkyProjects Not too bad to remove, but try ptting the screws back to fix the replacement
16:28 SparkyProjects Also means  you have to get the exact footprint for a replacement, with din rail you have a choice
16:28 wannabe1987 hi
16:29 tonsofpcs erm.... what do you mean by 'contactor' now?
16:30 SparkyProjects A type of industrial relay
16:30 wannabe1987 why did they have to dialate my eyes?  now they hurt
16:30 tonsofpcs right, that's what we call contactors too... we don't put those in load centers.
16:30 yNos wannabe1987: go take a nap
16:31 wannabe1987 i do have time for a nap....hm
16:31 tonsofpcs ("load center" being the proper name for an electrical/breaker panel)
16:31 yNos tonsofpcs/SparkyProjects i thougth the diff from a relay/contactor was the contactor has a magnetic blow off?
16:32 tonsofpcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmPymLyEMk&amp;t=1m53s << this is how our breakers come out.
16:32 BotSteve Title: How to Change a Breaker - YouTube
16:32 SparkyProjects I was tallking mostly about control panels where din rail is used a lot, though they do make a contactor specially for loadcentres, like for turning on several outside lights from one switch
16:33 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: yeah, we had those at work, Square D
16:34 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: yea, probably the exact same thing (down to the part number too) of stuff we have around here.
16:34 egrsteve the contactor has a force that pushes the contacts apart to help quench any arcs that may occure breaking a load from my understanding
16:35 egrsteve sparky, I build industrial control panels and we use almost all din rail mount components, except frequency drives
16:35 tonsofpcs I was just asking to make sure SparkyProjects wasn't talking about a breaker or switch or something (again remembering that half the time we're talking about the same thing with different words or entirely different things with the same words)
16:36 SparkyProjects A contactor has a good spring to break the contacts, they also have a wider break than relays.
16:36 SparkyProjects The bigger contactors have an arc quenching assembly (a set of plates with gaps)
16:36 egrsteve most I have seen are of that configuration
16:37 tonsofpcs we have very nice contactors in our generator ATSs; since the whole thing is just a contactor and a brain, the brain is on the door and the contactor is in the chassis, you can actually watch it work.
16:38 tonsofpcs then there's the ATS system at our transmitter site... It's twice the size of the 2500A rated main distribution panel we have here... figure 3x the size of an average US fridge....
16:39 tonsofpcs (mind you, there's a bit more than an ATS in there, but it's dealing with higher voltages and much higher currents)
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16:42 * SparkyProjects has built an automatic generator changeover panel for one of out buildings, 100 Amps 3 phase
16:42 tonsofpcs of course, the ATS is a special case of a contactor because it has two (well three) positions.
16:42 SparkyProjects And that was before they made self contained brains for them
16:42 tonsofpcs it isn't just on/off
16:44 SparkyProjects No, there's 2 contactors, they have to have mechanical and electrical interlocks so only one can operate at a time.
16:44 SparkyProjects 1 contactor for mains input, other for generator input
16:44 SparkyProjects when mains fails one contactor drops out and starts the gen, when gen has power it operates the othr contactor
16:45 tonsofpcs *pulls up pictures*
16:46 tonsofpcs these appear to be mechanical with electromechanical control rather than electromechanical contactors.  I'd have to pull the cover to see closer
16:46 tonsofpcs (my picture that I took for the documentation guy wasn't held steady)
16:47 SparkyProjects There are actual changeover contactors, but they get expensive and large
16:47 injektion It might snow here tomorrow :(
16:48 tonsofpcs this is for 225A of service, 3-phase (120/208)... not really large by my standards, but large by home standards
16:50 tonsofpcs the generator start closure is separate from the contactors, although I think it has a sensor to cause the generator to start up if power is lost and the brain is missing
16:50 tonsofpcs (we have two separate ATSs each of which can tell the generator to run, OR'd at the generator control stack, so it isn't as much of a concern)
16:52 SparkyProjects yeah, 225 A is small, i used to work on 400A distribution daily
16:52 SparkyProjects Biggest generator on site (we had about 12) was 1/2MW
16:52 SparkyProjects All 3 phase 240/415
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16:59 reesk what time do the staf usually come into the lab?
17:03 tonsofpcs lets see, power output (RF) of transmitters at the one site was about.... 100kW
17:05 tonsofpcs I figure the service there is probably 400A or more (480v 3ph) [likely more]
17:05 tonsofpcs (TPO not ERP, ERP was much more)
17:06 tonsofpcs [we killed around 50kW of ERP when analog TV went off]
17:06 tonsofpcs err, of TPO
17:07 tonsofpcs don't really play with that ATS other than to look at it and go "oo, pretty.  I know it works, so I'm gonna leave it alone"
17:11 SparkyProjects We had to test run our generators once a month, i occasionallly tested them on load (fail the power to a building, and watch it start and take over), on load had to be a whole day so it avoids problems in the buildings
17:13 tonsofpcs our fancy ATS runs the test once a week on its own (at a time we set; we watch it) off-load.  It's new so we have yet to fully implement an on-load test schedule but we have an online UPS for the critical loads (that's why there's two ATSs, one feeds the UPS, the other feeds air handling equipment)
17:14 tonsofpcs so we can do an on-load test whenever we feel like it, really.
17:16 SparkyProjects We had to schedule our onload tests, mainly lab/office buildings, so scope for crashing computers etc
17:25 egrsteve still talk of generators
17:26 egrsteve TGG needs that cement pad for the big stuff
17:26 egrsteve then hopefully we can get our geneator online
17:27 egrsteve and it looks like chat is dead
17:28 egrsteve oh well, test in 15 min
17:28 SparkyProjects Concrete pad surrounded by electric fence :P
17:28 egrsteve what voltage and how many KVA?
17:29 SparkyProjects Enough to fry scrappers
17:29 egrsteve 25 KV, 400 KVA?
17:29 egrsteve aka both huge DC supplies
17:29 egrsteve that should do
17:30 egrsteve anyone notice how brutle we are here?
17:30 SparkyProjects I doubt if their bodies would pass that current, just use 25KV at a minimum of 1 Amp will do
17:30 egrsteve well those supplies are 10 ish amps I thikn
17:31 BitViper egrsteve : just run the power for the tesla coils to the fence when the coils arent running :)
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17:31 SparkyProjects Even an NST or OBIT should put them off
17:31 egrsteve 480 or 30 KVA
17:31 egrsteve i know, a few MA would be plenty
17:31 pockitaru hello how is everyone today?
17:31 egrsteve or how about an electric fence supply
17:31 egrsteve keep it simple
17:32 BitViper is the concrete pad going to be for the big green thing near the big door right now, or a different one ?
17:32 SparkyProjects Nah, there's loads of vids about people touching an electric fence, Adam savage peed on one too :P
17:32 BitViper yeah a farm elec fence would never do
17:32 egrsteve it will be for that, the 2 transformers scrappers tried to scrap, the warp core and several pole pigs
17:33 BitViper might keep little kids out
17:33 egrsteve good point he touched it once too, resulted in a nice string of bleeps
17:33 egrsteve remember the bagdad battery episode?
17:33 BitViper bahahahah, ok easy way ... danger high voltage signs, and hang a couple dead animals on the fence, no need to actuall power it
17:33 Seroster SparkyProjects, Ring circuits...
17:34 Seroster SparkyProjects, I also peed on electric fences, with the right technique you won't get zapped.
17:34 SparkyProjects egrsteve: yep, the camera crew refused to follow him just after that episode
17:34 egrsteve BitViper: IDK the scrappers aren't that smart
17:34 pockitaru they got him good with that shocker statchu
17:34 SparkyProjects Seroster, what's the question ?
17:35 BitViper egrsteve : hang a human corpse from the fence ?? :)
17:35 BitViper i can suggest a few candidates
17:35 Seroster If you have a ring circuit with ring feed 1 and ring feed 2, RF1 being rated for 5amps, RF2 being rated for 5 amps and the fuse for the ring being rated at 10amps, if RF1 fails RF2 has to give 10a to the circuit, doesn't it overheat and burn?
17:35 egrsteve woudl be too much work to keep a freshish one there
17:35 BitViper hahahaha
17:35 Seroster You can't measure if it got both feeds easily, can you?
17:36 BitViper egrsteve : well, i suppose the scrappers might supply their own anyway
17:36 egrsteve they might
17:36 egrsteve depends on there stupidity
17:36 BitViper there's plenty of that
17:37 SparkyProjects The point of a ring circuit is that we feed it with a 32 amp breaker, it's just a single ring (you have a separate ring for first and ground floors)
17:37 egrsteve no we just need a good noisy 60/120 hz buzz around it
17:37 BitViper be sure to put the live feed on the fenced area each night :)
17:37 egrsteve everyone knows that sound
17:37 BitViper dont bet on it
17:37 Seroster Isnt the point that you can save on wiring cost due to less metal?
17:38 SparkyProjects Yes, if you consider several home runs as the alternative
17:38 SparkyProjects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit
17:38 BotSteve Title: Ring circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:39 Seroster Yeah, read it
17:39 egrsteve ok time to head off to take a test :(
17:39 egrsteve here's hoping it's easy
17:40 Seroster But if you have RF1 rated for 16amps, RF2 rated for 16 amps, give the circuit 32amps and one of the feeds fail... Doesn't that mean that one feed can give 30amps to outlets for hours and hours without the 32amp fuse going?
17:42 BitViper egrsteve : all tests are easy if you know the material =P
17:42 SparkyProjects Not sure what you mean by feeds
17:42 SparkyProjects There's only one fuse or breaker for each ring, look at the diagram on wiki
17:43 Seroster You have one fuse for the entire ring, right?
17:43 SparkyProjects yep
17:43 Seroster From that fuse it splits in two, one that feeds one side of the ring and one that feeds the other side of the ring, right?
17:44 SparkyProjects we normally have one ring for each floor of a house
17:44 Seroster If one of the wires feeding the ring breaks the other wire have to take up the load, overloading it, or am I horribly wrong somewhere?
17:46 wannabe1987 that headache turned into a migraine....work in an hour....ouch
17:46 SparkyProjects Yes, that can happen, but if it's done properly, fully tested, and no one plays around with it, it's not a problem
17:46 SparkyProjects Most rings are never fully loaded all the time anyway, biggest use is in kitchen or utility where you might have a waher and drier etc, but you can have a dedicated ring for that area
17:47 Seroster Ah
17:47 Seroster But that's assuming it is done properly, fully tested and nobody plays around with it, all of wich are realistic scenarios =P
17:49 SparkyProjects That's why you have to be registered now under 'part P' of the buildings regs, doing the work illegally can mean jailtime if your work causes an incident
17:50 Seroster Damn
17:50 Seroster What are laidmen allowed to do in the uk?
17:53 SparkyProjects laidmen ?
17:53 tonsofpcs egrsteve: where would the concrete pad go? east side?
17:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That does not in any way address the purpose of R1+R2 testing.
17:54 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Have I started something, here?
17:55 tonsofpcs note: some scrappers know what they're doing.  I've seen a site that they clearly used a sack of some kind to go over barbed wire, climbed over, cut off everything at the most optimal place, tossed it over at a point where a truck could have been, then bailed the same way they came in.
17:55 SparkyProjects Maybe, but that's ok, something to talk about
17:55 Seroster SparkyProjects, As in any tom dick and harry of the street?
17:55 Seroster off*
17:55 SparkyProjects ah, laymen :P
17:56 tonsofpcs Monkeh: then I still have no clue what you mean by R1+R2 testing.  Feel free to explain in detail while I run to pick up food, I'll read when I'm back ;)
17:57 SparkyProjects Home owners are not supposed to tamper with electrics, though if you feel confident you can change 1 for 1, so replacing a broken socket or  changing the light fixture.
17:57 SparkyProjects But not to run any extra fixed wiring
17:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. Resistance (well, okay, impedance) of the line and earth conductors from the source to the end of the circuit.
17:57 Seroster Right
17:57 Seroster Here you can replace stuff for stuff with the same rating if you got sufficient knowledg.
17:57 BitViper tonsofpcs : i believe the concrete pad he refers to is the space on the back corner of upper mech and HVL that they prepared last summer but didnt have the concrete to put on
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17:58 SparkyProjects Seroster, exactly
17:58 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Correction: We can do whatever we like but we need LABC approval or some of it.
17:59 SparkyProjects Monkeh, the layman wouldn't know that
18:00 Monkeh SparkyProjects: He should, but that assumes he has sufficient intelligence to do some basic research
18:00 Seroster SparkyProjects, However, I am planning on changing some MANK 40's vintage wiring from my grandparents house. I was swapping a light switch and the rubber insulation just disappeared
18:01 Monkeh Seroster: VIR will do that.
18:01 Seroster ...Gesundtheit?
18:02 SparkyProjects People have been doing their own electrics for years without problems, the regs now try to prevent hidden dangers (under floorboards etc) done by rogue homeowners, but anything on the surface (sockets, switches, light fittings) are easy to test at times like selling the house
18:03 Monkeh Seroster: Vulcanised India Rubber
18:04 Seroster SparkyProjects, Talked to my teacher about it and his comment was "You aint allowed to, but... I never said this, but if you do it right..." =P
18:04 Monkeh Meanwhile, today I scared the shit out of myself with 12V.
18:04 pockitaru hay dave is in the quarter wraping room outside HV :)
18:05 SparkyProjects heh, lost count of the amount of VIR we took out of institute houses when  we rewired, we  burnt off the insulation in the fireplaces so we could get better scrap value for it.
18:05 pockitaru live is neet
18:06 BitViper still need to fix cam 1 whatever it is
18:06 BitViper 7 and 8 must both be pointing to the hvl entry from the two different halls ?
18:07 pockitaru yep it is
18:07 Seroster Is that even legal, SparkyProjects?
18:07 Monkeh Seroster: .. yes?
18:08 SparkyProjects cam 8 is where Chris's office is, last on the right i think
18:08 Seroster Btw, throw the VIR wiring in a cement mixer, two minutes and all the insulation will be gone =>
18:08 BitViper SparkyProjects : yes
18:08 pockitaru yeah thats fine solong as you have a class 2 burnig permit from the city
18:08 Monkeh Seroster: Only if it's already gone bad.
18:08 Monkeh Seroster: Brand new stuff is a lot tougher.
18:09 Seroster Thought burning rubber was something that the autoroties didnt like too much
18:09 SparkyProjects Seroster, it was in the late 70's to early 80's
18:09 pockitaru omni is in MDH neer the cnc macheans
18:09 pockitaru :)
18:10 Seroster Ah, when you were young? Before goverments? ;D
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18:10 Monkeh pockitaru: Hint: Not everyone here lives in the USSA
18:11 pockitaru i know
18:11 SparkyProjects Seroster, during that time i worked for the government :P
18:11 pockitaru im not ignerint lol
18:11 pockitaru SparkyProjects: doing what
18:11 Seroster Heh
18:12 Seroster They told him not to talk to the yanks about that, war secret y'know.
18:12 pockitaru lol
18:12 BitViper that must be liz that omni is following ?
18:12 SparkyProjects ELectrical Maintenance at a research site,
18:12 wannabe1987 BitViper: liz or lis(moose)?
18:12 pockitaru cool sounds fun
18:12 tonsofpcs wow, people can't drive.... (back)
18:13 BitViper wannabe1987 : not blonde, pretty sure not mooze (lis)
18:13 Seroster ...research site...
18:13 Seroster Yeah
18:13 pockitaru no that wasnt moose
18:13 Seroster That's what they call nuclear test facilites nowdays!?
18:13 tonsofpcs Monkeh: why the line conductors?
18:13 Seroster Oops, said too much :I
18:13 wannabe1987 ok jw
18:13 wannabe1987 b/c people spell moose's name liz sometimes
18:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Didn't I go over that last night?
18:13 Seroster pockitaru, Unknown to most, SparkyProjects was bitten by a radioactive electrician. Then he became... SparkyProjects. =)
18:13 BitViper wannabe1987 : moose is moose =)
18:13 wannabe1987 ik
18:14 pockitaru lol thats a good one :)
18:15 * BitViper sneezes, blowing himself to, well, bits
18:15 tonsofpcs Monkeh: no, not really.  You said that there might be issues, but why are you testing it that way?
18:16 pockitaru ooo hay every one korea has sucsesfuly stabelized plama for 4 seconds any on know what this means
18:16 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Explain to him why we do tests before energising.
18:16 Seroster It might have been a radioactive electron too.
18:16 tonsofpcs pockitaru: which korea?
18:16 pockitaru i think north
18:17 pockitaru but this is great news
18:17 tonsofpcs why?
18:18 pockitaru thier goal ist to get to the point were they can keep it stableized for months at a time
18:18 tonsofpcs Monkeh: not 'why do you do tests', why do you test the impedence of the line conductor?
18:18 SparkyProjects We test the impedance of the live to earth and neutral to earth right back to the substation to make sure there's a good fault path, and to decide what to do if there isn't
18:19 tonsofpcs erm... the live shouldn't have a path to earth on a de-energized circuit
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18:19 Seroster Lol
18:19 pockitaru tonsofpcs: because if they acheave that it will be the first longterm hiper exaliration fussion
18:19 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7JYnoouIVI
18:19 pockitaru non*
18:19 BotSteve Title: Some loud music on vinyl - YouTube
18:19 Seroster tonsofpcs, DO NOT DARETH QUESTION THE MASTER!
18:20 pockitaru nonhiper*
18:20 pockitaru sorry
18:20 * tonsofpcs points to the day star
18:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That's done after energising.
18:20 Monkeh We test the impedance of the installed circuit to ensure it's appropriate.
18:21 pockitaru yep a minicher sun :D on earth
18:21 SparkyProjects tonsofpcs: we connect a 'loop impedance tester' between live and earth and are able to measure the impedance (not resistance) of the circuit, that tells us that should a fault occur, the current will go to ground effectively and blow the trip or fuse (assuming no rcd)
18:22 Seroster .define impedance
18:22 BotSteve impedance — noun: 1. (physics) A measure of the opposition to the flow of an alternating current in a circuit; the aggregation of its resistance, inductive and capacitive reactance. Represented by the symbol Z, 2. (physics, usually with “mechanical”) a measure of opposition to motion of s[...]
18:22 tonsofpcs Seroster: so what sort of values do you look for?
18:22 Monkeh Seroster: They haven't taught you impedance yet?
18:22 Seroster So difference between resistance and impendance is? (I know they are linked at the hip)
18:22 tonsofpcs err, SparkyProjects ^^
18:22 Seroster monkeh Sadly this schooling is dumbed down
18:23 Monkeh Seroster: It just told you :P
18:23 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I know some EEs who barely understand the difference between resistance and impedence....
18:23 SparkyProjects It may have changed in the new regs tonsofpcs, just checking to be sure
18:23 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bpHMvg1rsk
18:23 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: I'm just wondering ballpark...
18:23 BotSteve Title: Earth fault loop impedance explained - YouTube
18:24 Seroster The employers complained that they got electricians that had memorized resistor codes and inductive capacitance but couldn't tell the difference between a masonary drill bit and a metal drill bit.
18:24 Seroster So they flushed a lot of the theory and added a lot of practical
18:24 SparkyProjects ^ that vid should explain all
18:25 Seroster Tyvm SparkyProjects
18:25 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Depends on the CPD.
18:25 Monkeh Seroster: That's about EFLI, not impedance. ;)
18:29 tonsofpcs Monkeh: remember how our breakers are rated for breaking current and not max RMS sustained?
18:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Doesn't change the fact that there are required disconnection times and the EFLI must be suitable to meet them.
18:30 tonsofpcs ok, question:  He shows a delta/wye transformer up there and he's measuring to that transformer.... Is there one transformer per home?
18:30 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not usually.
18:31 SparkyProjects No, one transformer can supply many properties
18:31 tonsofpcs ok
18:31 tonsofpcs see, our power company generally dislikes us shorting their lines together....
18:31 SparkyProjects We rarely use polepigs, they are usually ground mounted and huge, we call them substations
18:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: ... well yes, everybody dislikes that.
18:32 SparkyProjects You don't short the line, you apply a load of about 25 Amps for a short duration
18:32 Seroster Assuming I wire a bunch of 400volt capacitors in paralell, with different capacitance, will that be problematic?
18:34 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ballpark: EFLI on a type B MCB or RCBO for a 20A circuit must be <1.85 ohms.
18:34 Monkeh Obviously the bigger the breaker the lower the EFLI
18:34 tonsofpcs ok, so he gets 0.49 ohms... no j?
18:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 0.49 is fine up to 63A for a type B breaker.
18:35 tonsofpcs Monkeh: wait, so your home ground... where is that connected to?
18:35 tonsofpcs sorry, s/ground/earth
18:35 tonsofpcs from your panel, where does that incoming earth wire go?
18:35 Monkeh tonsofpcs: There are multiple wires and we don't generally have panels as you know them.
18:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The primary earth connection is via the neutral in the supply cable at my property.
18:36 Monkeh With a bonding conductor to the water pipework (useless for an earth, the supply is plastic) and gas pipework (may or may not do much). These are not counted and must be disconnected for EFLI tests.
18:36 tonsofpcs Monkeh: so your only earthing is back to where the transformer is hooked up?
18:36 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No. It's a PME system.
18:37 Monkeh tonsofpcs: There should be an earth connection at every tap (ie. every run to a property) and at regular intervals on the way back to the transformer.
18:37 Monkeh In other words, we have stupendously good earths.
18:37 Monkeh There are different systems, however
18:38 tonsofpcs so you have just one wire coming in for neutral and earth from outside though, yes?
18:39 Monkeh For this type of earthing system.
18:39 Monkeh And for this particular installation.
18:40 Monkeh Other systems may be converted so that the cable sheath is connected to the (now combined neutral/earth) neutral conductor, if the network is suitable.
18:40 SparkyProjects Monkeh, the water pipe is not designed as an earth, the bonding is so the metal pipework in the proerty is grounded, so if your immersion heater or shower develops a fault, it has a solid path to fault through
18:41 Monkeh SparkyProjects: I'm aware.
18:41 Monkeh SparkyProjects: As I said, it's useless as one due to the supply pipework being plastic. In some properties a metal supply pipe can make an excellent earth.
18:41 Monkeh And can be used as one in certain situations.
18:42 Seroster Assuming I wire a bunch of 400volt capacitors in paralell, with different capacitance, will that be problematic?  < Will it handgrenade on me?
18:42 Monkeh Seroster: Probably. You've got it coming.
18:43 tonsofpcs Seroster: if it does, it will only be problematic if you don't give us video :)
18:43 * wannabe1987 has to go to work nao. bye!
18:43 tonsofpcs (or, maybe if it kills ya...)
18:43 tonsofpcs cya wannabe1987
18:43 Monkeh Bye wannabe1987
18:43 SparkyProjects Monkeh, at work we had a borehole that went down 300 feet, metal pipe, i would have been shot if i used that as an earth :P
18:43 SparkyProjects You can never trust a plumber to make a good earth once they do any work on the pipe.
18:43 Seroster tonsofpcs, Not really the answer I was looking for
18:43 Seroster SparkyProjects, You can never trust a plumber.
18:43 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Hey, I'm just going by the regs
18:43 Seroster monkeh I do not intend to charge them to 400...
18:44 Seroster .c 230*(sqrt2)
18:44 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
18:44 Seroster .c 230*1.414
18:44 BotSteve 325.22
18:44 SparkyProjects I don't recall ever seeing a water pipe being used as an earth in any circumstance during my career (back to 14th regs)
18:45 Seroster I have =)
18:45 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: I have....
18:45 Monkeh SparkyProjects: It has to be a local pipe, ie. not coming from the public water system, iirc.
18:45 Monkeh ie. the 30m of pipe you've run to your garage
18:46 Monkeh Of course whether it's a good earth or not depends on a few things
18:46 tonsofpcs I've seen it in older homes where grounding was an afterthought.  It is often hastily replaced when discovered by someone who isn't oblivious
18:46 Monkeh And the water regs get in the way on pipe depth
18:47 Monkeh SparkyProjects: I'm getting the impression yank sparkies would become most confused if asked to do the calculations and tests, and general brain usage, required for an electrical installation over here..
18:48 SparkyProjects Monkeh, regulation D30 (14th regs)
18:48 SparkyProjects "Pipes such as gas or water pipes, or members of structural metalwork, shall not by themselves constitute an earth continuity conductor ......"
18:49 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Rather old regs :P
18:50 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I notice that this video, the guy explicitly points out that Ze (which, again, he only gave the real component of) is the external Z.  Do you only do Ze or do you measure Z for every branch/ring circuit?
18:50 SparkyProjects Maybe old, but that same reg applies today, you never know if a plumber is going to disconnect the bonding clamp to work on the pipes, that's why you never use a pipe as an earth
18:51 Monkeh SparkyProjects: "Note: Regulation 542.2.4 permits the use of privately owned water supply pipework for use as an earth electrode whhere precautions are taken against its removal and it has been considered for such use. This relaxation will not apply to a domestic installation."
18:51 Monkeh I wasn't aware of the last part, though.
18:51 SparkyProjects Also, screwed pipes usually have PTFE tape as a seal, so that would insulate the connection
18:52 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Zs needs to be measured or calculated for every CPD.
18:52 tonsofpcs and what does Zs measure the impedance of/through?
18:52 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It can be calculated if you know Ze
18:52 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Zs is the EFLI at the end of a final circuit.
18:52 SparkyProjects "where precautions are taken against its removal " No plumber is ever allowed to visit the property
18:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ze is the EFLI at the start (ie. distribution board)
18:53 Monkeh iirc
18:53 Monkeh Sparky can confirm that
18:53 tonsofpcs Oh, I see why you need to calculate Zs and we don't!   Your current limiting device (fuse) is plugged into the socket (at the far end), ours (breaker) is at the same place as the electrical supply, integrated into a panel that meets specifications.
18:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Uh, no, ours is at the beginning of the circuit.
18:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The fuses in the plugs are to protect the cable on the device from high capacity circuits (rings.)
18:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We need to calculate or measure Zs so that a short at the _end_ of the circuit will be able to trip or blow the CPD within required disconnection times.
18:55 SparkyProjects EFLI is measured at the first  point of entry to the propperty, in our case that's often the consumer fuse, or possibly the main switch/main RCCB
18:55 Monkeh Bearing in mind that the main earth connection is at least 10mm, if not as much as 25, and the circuit can be as little as 1mm.
18:56 pockitaru hay got a question for any one who knows is camra 4 the tool room were batman lives lol
18:56 tonsofpcs Monkeh: is this just for GFCI/RCDs, not normal fuses/breakers?
18:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: This is for all CPDs.
18:56 tonsofpcs because we have things like this (right side of picture): http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/ideal/electricaltesters/61-500_61-501.htm?gclid=CM3e6NHQm64CFULd4AodWhrYKg#00036452?ref=gbase
18:56 BotSteve Title: IDEAL 61-500 and 61-501 Receptacle Testers, Ideal 61500 and 61501 - at the Test Equipment Depot
18:57 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Ze is measured there, Zs is measured at the end of the circuit (which then becomes Ze at the panel for a distribution circuit)
18:57 tonsofpcs where you press the button and it (should) blows a GFCI.
18:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: .. We also have suitable testers to confirm operation of RCDs, but that has nothing to do with EFLI
18:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ours are a little more complicated, they confirm both tripping current (by ramp test) and tripping time.
18:59 tonsofpcs mind you, _I_ have never installed a panel (nor have I watched it happen end-to-end) so I can't say if they test Ze or when they do.
18:59 tonsofpcs I've never seen anyone use a meter like that test Zs.
19:00 pockitaru tonsofpcs: what are Zs
19:01 tonsofpcs and I again question what good a real-only (read: just resistance, not impedance... impedance = resistance+reactance) reading is.
19:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Confirmation of correct EFLI to operate the CPD?
19:01 tonsofpcs EFLI << "I" = Impedance, no?
19:01 SparkyProjects Impedance is like AC resistance
19:02 Monkeh Yes, and impedance is what matters in an AC circuit.
19:02 Monkeh tonsofpcs: In properly installed wiring, impedance and resistance are more or less identical.
19:02 tonsofpcs yes, and impedance has both real and imaginary component.
19:02 Monkeh You can use them fairly interchangably for this.
19:02 SparkyProjects You measure the impedance of a speaker, not the resistance, same idea
19:02 tonsofpcs Monkeh: but isn't the point of the test to find if your wiring is faulty?
19:02 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: actually, people make up numbers for speakers and claim they're the impedance, but that's a topic for a different day ;)
19:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Faulty or simply incorrectly specified, yes.
19:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Funnily enough, the impedance will be SKY high if there's a problem on the circuit.
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19:29 Todd_ I think the lab needs a MAME machine.
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19:30 Druidic_Rifleman a name machine
19:30 Druidic_Rifleman ???
19:30 tlockley afternoon everyone
19:30 Todd_ Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator
19:30 Druidic_Rifleman ahhh
19:30 Druidic_Rifleman I think it needs a freeze dry chanber
19:30 Druidic_Rifleman chamber
19:31 Todd_ I have some spare parts from bulding my MAME.... arcade pushbuttons, diodes, an old keyboard or two.
19:32 tonsofpcs hey, egrsteve or anyone at the lab:  http://wheatstone-blog.com/?p=1040 << Wheatstone is getting rid of / got rid of a soldering system....
19:32 BotSteve Title: » Wheatstone Waves Goodbye to the Wave WHEAT:BLOG
19:33 tonsofpcs (yes, this is in the same 'publication' that in june 2011 had this article: http://wheatstone-blog.com/?m=201106 )
19:33 BotSteve Title: » 2011 » June WHEAT:BLOG
19:33 Todd_ was wondering.... are there plans for a library in the lab by chance?
19:34 tonsofpcs Todd_: there really should be a technical library... maybe bookshelves in each of the electronics/computer/[room below MC]/cafe ?
19:34 tonsofpcs (idk if there are any plans)
19:35 tonsofpcs Todd_: you do realize that a MAME machine at the lab would have to have industrial control buttons instead of arcade buttons, right ;)
19:35 tlockley tonsofpcs: that is kinda cool
19:36 Seroster HA!
19:36 Seroster Another few volts!
19:36 * Seroster giggles
19:36 Todd_ I have some industrial control buttons.... but that could get pricey. and rather difficult to burn through combo moves while playing mortal kombat. :P
19:36 tonsofpcs Todd_: then you really have to play mortal kombat :-p
19:37 tonsofpcs Seroster: cap charging?
19:38 tonsofpcs wow, for the olympics:
19:38 tonsofpcs "In order to deal with such logistics, Ofcom has designed a cutting-edge spectrum assignment system which it claims will prevent interference among the multitude of users. But just in case, they are also planning on putting over 90 RF engineers in the field to handle any issues that might arise."
19:38 tonsofpcs (for wireless mics and comms and such)
19:38 tonsofpcs http://wheatstone-blog.com/?p=1036
19:38 BotSteve Title: » Gearing Up for the 2012 Olympics WHEAT:BLOG
19:38 tlockley Dayum
19:39 Todd_ that would be an RF nightmare!
19:39 tonsofpcs 90?! where do I sign up?!
19:39 tonsofpcs Todd_: no, the SuperBowl next year will be an RF nightmare.  This thing is cake in comparison.
19:39 tonsofpcs (TVWS devices)
19:39 tlockley TVWS?
19:39 tonsofpcs tv white space
19:40 tlockley ah
19:40 tlockley that whole thing seems like a bit of a RF kerfuffle
19:40 tonsofpcs yea...
19:40 tonsofpcs they also just recently cut back the number of TV channels...
19:40 Seroster tonsofpcs, No, jackass project that has been going on for a while
19:40 Seroster It's 21 9volt batteries in series
19:41 tlockley o_O
19:41 tonsofpcs Seroster: oh.  making a B-supply?
19:41 Todd_ just trying to figure out the frequencies needed so you don't generate any harmonics would be a challenge
19:41 Seroster They were thrown out because they were old, so they are not 9v each, more like 5 volts each, but I still got 120v+
19:42 tonsofpcs Todd_: well, you'll always be making harmonics and intermod, the trick is to get the power levels managed with the frequencies so that you're throwing into the noise floor
19:42 Seroster 113 to be precise
19:43 tlockley what are you planning to do Seroster
19:44 Seroster idk
19:45 pockitaru good god the gun laws in NM fucking suck they just whant my money
19:45 tlockley oh?
19:46 pockitaru yeah the biggest pain in my ass worse than getting a devorce lol
19:49 tlockley well laptop is about dead. Cya guys another time
19:51 Seroster pockitaru, I thought a gun was what you yanks called "divorce"
19:52 Druidic_Rifleman hmmm most of the work for my rocketengion project
19:52 Druidic_Rifleman now done
19:53 Druidic_Rifleman pockitaru
19:53 Druidic_Rifleman your wrong the biggest pain you've gone through was marrage
19:54 * Phu grins at tonsofpcs
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19:56 BotSteve Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:56:46 -5
19:57 Bat-Mobile Oh good, the bot is alive
19:57 Electricguy w00t!
19:58 pockitaru Druidic_Rifleman:  yes marrage was hell but i dislike procedur fo the gun laws for one reason
19:59 Druidic_Rifleman what does "procedur" mean
20:00 pockitaru i want to make a jacket that you can plug gloves into it that will be carged on contact to 100,000V taser
20:00 pockitaru sorry bout that spelling tierd you know
20:00 Phu ....aaaand pockitaru just got themselves on an FBI watch list there
20:00 pockitaru lol
20:00 pockitaru no its perfectly ok
20:01 tonsofpcs Phu: ?
20:01 pockitaru just need a but load of paperwork
20:01 Phu by whose estimation?
20:01 Phu tonsofpcs:  debian is just installing grub ;)
20:01 tonsofpcs Phu: ah :)
20:01 pockitaru 1manufacters licence
20:01 tonsofpcs that means the kernel worked then, I take it?
20:01 Phu I think a speed setting is off somewhere
20:01 pockitaru 2 AOWL
20:02 Phu well we'll see what happens on the reboot
20:02 pockitaru 3 consealed weapons
20:02 pockitaru 4 patat
20:02 HighMan|Sleep Back!
20:03 HighMan|Sleep I didn't just wake up...
20:03 pockitaru and 5 gun safty class to get 2 of 3 of thoes licences
20:03 pockitaru so yeah a but load of paperwork
20:05 pockitaru im looking at around $300 to spend on all this crap
20:06 egrsteve morning all
20:06 Druidic_Rifleman where do you live
20:06 pockitaru sup
20:06 Druidic_Rifleman Hey steve
20:06 egrsteve hi Druidic_Rifleman
20:06 Druidic_Rifleman I designed a rocket nozzel !!!
20:06 egrsteve morning pockitaru
20:06 pockitaru Druidic_Rifleman: in new mexico
20:06 Druidic_Rifleman ah
20:07 Druidic_Rifleman Move to arizona and help Cprossu start a chapter
20:07 Druidic_Rifleman AOW laws are retarded
20:07 pockitaru i know right
20:08 HighMan tonsofpcs: Done
20:08 pockitaru i wont have a job or housing in arizona
20:08 HighMan tonsofpcs: Run! It's your turn!
20:12 pockitaru Druidic_Rifleman: i wont have a job or housing in arizona
20:12 Druidic_Rifleman ah
20:12 HighMan Anyone know a good program or anything to make a card?
20:13 Druidic_Rifleman Still there are some inteligent laws in the US
20:13 HighMan A Valentines Day Card.
20:13 Druidic_Rifleman NONE in canada
20:13 pockitaru lol right
20:13 Druidic_Rifleman every gun law up here was Writen by a dumb blond
20:13 HighMan xD ^
20:14 HighMan If anyone has a good suggestion... Please tell...
20:14 pockitaru Druidic_Rifleman: did you know its against the law to own even just blueprints of potato cannons in CA, TX, and FL
20:14 HighMan WTF? REALLY!
20:14 pockitaru yep
20:14 pockitaru it suck
20:14 pockitaru s
20:14 HighMan I'm in florida, and I could of sworn that my teacher has a few potato canons in her class.
20:14 tonsofpcs HighMan: maybe it was built without prints? :)
20:15 HighMan tonsofpcs: Instructions aren't blueprints are they? xD
20:15 pockitaru it dont mater the hole subject is illeagal
20:15 pockitaru in thoes3 states
20:15 HighMan Yah right.
20:15 Todd_ That's just dumb... I could draw up a cannon on a napkin in like 2 minutes...
20:15 pockitaru right
20:15 HighMan Todd_: Point exactly.
20:16 pockitaru lol i have 5 really high powered pnuematic homemade rifels
20:16 Druidic_Rifleman and yet in texas You can own much more deadlythings
20:16 pockitaru lol yep
20:16 HighMan A Balistic Knife?
20:16 pockitaru yes
20:16 HighMan Seems fun!
20:17 pockitaru the strongest one o own can shoot at around 2000fps
20:17 Todd_ I think you've got to be at least half-crazy to even own one of those!
20:17 HighMan xD
20:17 pockitaru why u say that
20:17 pockitaru ?
20:17 HighMan Todd_: Where do you live?
20:18 Todd_ Michigan - near the labs
20:18 HighMan Ok. My uncle's name is Todd in english... So I was wondering XD
20:18 pockitaru and 2 of my spud guns are powered but hydrogyn :)
20:18 Todd_ have you seen those things? that's just crazy. I think I'd be afraid to fire one
20:19 HighMan pockitaru: Mines powered from liquid francium and water ;)
20:19 pockitaru nonsence
20:19 pockitaru HighMan: nice
20:19 HighMan XD
20:19 * HighMan RUNS after tonsofpcs for not going.
20:20 pockitaru i have one made of galvanzed steel with a cusome QEV that i run with dry ice
20:20 * Electricguy got his hair cut today! *me gusta*
20:21 HighMan I have never owned or made a spud cannon, though I can with PVC a valve and a lighter with hairspray.
20:21 pockitaru that one is one that i wouldnt want want pointed any were neer me
20:21 HighMan lol
20:21 pockitaru its nasty
20:21 pockitaru 500 psi
20:21 HighMan Make it out of Titanium!
20:22 pockitaru 4' barral
20:22 HighMan And some teflon, and ramp than thing up to 1000 psi ;)
20:22 pockitaru rifeled
20:22 Druidic_Rifleman make what out of titanium
20:22 HighMan A spud Canon
20:22 pockitaru nope welded
20:22 HighMan botsteve: tell CaptainNiobe How's the computer coming along?
20:22 BotSteve HighMan: I'll pass that on when CaptainNiobe is around.
20:22 HighMan Thanks BotSteve!
20:22 BotSteve No problem, HighMan
20:22 pockitaru i wouldnt use titanium for a spud gun
20:23 HighMan why?
20:23 HighMan Lightweight but strong as hell.
20:23 pockitaru it would resonat and doesnt take to cold too well
20:24 pockitaru spud guns are testy toys
20:24 pockitaru i made one back in 06 that had me and 4 friend coughing blood for days
20:25 Todd_ your not supposed to shoot it at each other....
20:25 pockitaru we wernt
20:25 HighMan pockitaru: Teste's toys?
20:25 pockitaru it was precussion
20:25 HighMan HOLY SHIT.
20:26 HighMan When you cough up blood go to the ER!
20:26 HighMan BotSteve: Injektion, what about that coughing up blood of yours? You ok?
20:26 Todd_ yikes... well - that's an expirement you don't want to repeat
20:26 HighMan BotSteve: tell: Injektion , what about that coughing up blood of yours? You ok?
20:26 HighMan BotSteve: tell Injektion , what about that coughing up blood of yours? You ok?
20:26 BotSteve HighMan: I'll pass that on when iNJEKTiON is around.
20:26 pockitaru HighMan: hibrid cannons can break the sound barrier but the conditions have to be perfict
20:27 HighMan ....
20:27 HighMan Is the bot borked?
20:27 pockitaru ?
20:27 astro73|alice hm?
20:27 astro73|alice no, that seems fine
20:27 HighMan ... look
20:27 HighMan botsteve: tell Astro73|alice hi
20:27 BotSteve HighMan: I'll pass that on when Astronouth7303 is around.
20:27 astro73|alice hi
20:27 BotSteve astronouth7303: I have the following messages for you:
20:27 BotSteve At 20:27Z, roadran422 asked me to tell astronouth7303 hi
20:27 HighMan Oh... I get it!
20:28 HighMan His username is that regulary, I thought the bot flipped case
20:28 astro73|alice that's how he registered with nickserv
20:28 HighMan I see know
20:28 HighMan *now
20:29 astro73|alice i spent a lot of time making it flip the case of people's nicks
20:29 pockitaru HighMan: ill see if i can get a pick of one of my cannons for you
20:29 HighMan A pick?
20:29 HighMan astro73|alice: ...
20:29 astro73|alice :P
20:30 HighMan :P
20:30 pockitaru yeah that
20:30 HighMan A Valentine's Day Card generator of sorts?
20:40 pockitaru HighMan: im almost done i have to up load that pic now it'll be just another minute
20:41 HighMan OH! XD a PIC nor PICK! XD
20:54 astro73|alice PICs are icky
20:54 HighMan ..
20:57 astro73|alice you ever tried to use a pointer on one?
20:57 HighMan ?
20:57 astro73|alice the way the PIC18 dereferences a pointer
20:57 astro73|alice store address to a register, read value from another.
20:58 astro73|alice so every byte you pull out takes two instructions
20:58 astro73|alice and lord help you if interrupts use pointers\
20:58 Phu A PIC PERSON! AT LAST!
20:59 Phu oh... you said they were icky.
20:59 Phu meh.
20:59 astro73|alice x86 (or at least the LC-3 subset) can't actually operate directly with RAM. all operations are with registers
21:00 astro73|alice and back on PICs, who's bright idea was WREG anyway?
21:01 astro73|alice interrupts + WREG = silicon bugs!
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21:14 Phu I think I need to consider a different motherboard.
21:14 Phu this VIA C3 is running slow as hell, and I can't figure out why. It takes 10 minutes just to log in.
21:14 astro73|alice you're running windows. that's why.
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21:17 pockitaru HighMan: ok i got it set up here it is
21:17 pockitaru http://i.imgur.com/aapbi.jpg
21:18 HighMan kk
21:19 HighMan Looks small.. BUT HOLY HELL
21:19 HighMan What's the diameter of the lead pipe
21:19 pockitaru this one sent a 1/2 inch marble through a brick with 300 psi
21:19 HighMan ....
21:19 HighMan Diamater?
21:20 pockitaru is Galvinized steel and its 2"
21:20 HighMan Damn
21:20 pockitaru and the barrel is 3' long
21:20 HighMan So the metal is the container?
21:20 pockitaru its a poorly desighned dryice cannon
21:20 HighMan Hah
21:21 HighMan Looks nice!
21:21 pockitaru that chamber gets the same temp as the ice and even if your skin is dry you can still stick to it and fuck it hurts when that happens
21:21 pockitaru lol
21:21 pockitaru thanks
21:22 HighMan XD
21:23 Phu astro73|alice:  you clearly missed the last two days commentary of trying to install linux on it ;P
21:23 astro73|alice Phu: i've been busy
21:23 HighMan pockitaru: Insulation?
21:23 pockitaru that hole at the base of the barrel is breach load i smoothed out the inside of a cuppler to slide up and down to cover the hole
21:24 HighMan As for the dry ice, can't you insulate it on the out/inside?
21:24 Druidic_Rifleman I like air guns but Rockets are fun to
21:24 pockitaru i was thinking some good lowtemp resistant ruber
21:24 pockitaru Druidic_Rifleman: did you see the pic
21:24 pockitaru ?
21:24 Druidic_Rifleman what pic
21:24 pockitaru http://i.imgur.com/aapbi.jpg
21:24 Druidic_Rifleman yeah that looks dangerous to much plastic
21:25 pockitaru thas all barrel
21:25 astro73|alice i used to do model rockets
21:25 Druidic_Rifleman i designed one
21:25 astro73|alice engines are expensive, though
21:25 Druidic_Rifleman with bit vipers help
21:25 HighMan I did rockets in 5th grade eengineering
21:25 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah
21:25 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah
21:25 pockitaru the chamber is steel
21:25 Druidic_Rifleman there will be 3
21:26 Druidic_Rifleman 1 for display one for Bit viper to Goof off with and mine
21:26 HighMan Those small ones with the solid cylinder and an ingnitor
21:26 pockitaru i like rockets
21:26 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah
21:26 Druidic_Rifleman I wonder if we can legally light a rocket motor off in the parking lot
21:26 pockitaru i can make my own fule for one
21:27 pockitaru yeah the small ones
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21:27 HighMan How did the ignitor work? I tried lighting a firework with it...
21:27 pockitaru they are fine if they go up
21:27 HighMan xD
21:27 astro73|alice i've forgotten the rules about rocket engines
21:27 HighMan Never point at your self.
21:28 astro73|alice don't build them w/o a license
21:28 pockitaru lol
21:28 * HighMan Give me some c4 and a cone. You got youself a rocket ;)
21:29 astro73|alice i remember that being one of the rules from when I was 12
21:29 HighMan I remember don't be a idiot with a rocket.
21:29 pockitaru try alcohal of 95% or more heat on stove slowly till it turns to a syrup like thickness
21:29 HighMan ....
21:29 pockitaru it will turn silver in collor
21:29 pockitaru and it burns slow and hot
21:30 pockitaru my gramps taught me
21:30 HighMan I only have H2O2
21:30 astro73|alice that sounds useful, if you could package it and use it for camp cooking
21:30 pockitaru hes a pyrotechnical engenier
21:30 HighMan COOL!
21:30 pockitaru i spelt that wrong
21:30 * HighMan Gets 30 fireworks and ties them up.
21:31 pockitaru ;P
21:31 pockitaru he makes his own every year
21:31 pockitaru it reall cool and fun
21:31 HighMan That's nice
21:32 pockitaru my faves are potasium sodium and aluminum oxide
21:32 pockitaru ;P
21:32 HighMan Sand + Aluminum powder ;)
21:32 astro73|alice i like when it goes boom
21:32 HighMan xD 6
21:32 HighMan *^
21:33 pockitaru lol
21:33 pockitaru how bout
21:34 Druidic_Rifleman the only issue i have with mine is lighting a hybrid rocket
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21:34 pockitaru o hell forgot the mixtur
21:35 * Guest57620 hates her knee. i can has new one plz
21:35 Guest57620 fucking computer
21:35 Druidic_Rifleman who is guest
21:35 pockitaru give me a mine ill remeber
21:35 Druidic_Rifleman i am tempted to use charcoal and some sort of resine or wax
21:35 wannabe1987 it went all "not responding" so i couldn't identify
21:35 Druidic_Rifleman ah
21:35 wannabe1987 yeah....
21:35 Druidic_Rifleman i designed a rocket part
21:36 Druidic_Rifleman I CANZ DO ROCKET SIENCESZ!!!
21:36 wannabe1987 i got sent home from work.  i like your accomplishment better than mine
21:36 wannabe1987 WINZ!
21:36 Druidic_Rifleman yeah
21:36 wannabe1987 come here and do your rocket siencesz
21:36 Druidic_Rifleman I all ready am talking to moose about ordering matiral
21:36 wannabe1987 how far did you get on your document?
21:36 Druidic_Rifleman No where yet sadlt
21:36 Druidic_Rifleman sadly
21:36 wannabe1987 awww
21:36 wannabe1987 have they found it yet?
21:37 pockitaru hay kelly whats up
21:37 wannabe1987 worked two hourse
21:37 wannabe1987 hours
21:37 wannabe1987 now home with knee brace on hopefully its better by weds
21:38 * wannabe1987 wonders how much the tat she wants will cost and if i could get it for my 25th birthday
21:38 wannabe1987 hmmmmm
21:42 Druidic_Rifleman get what
21:42 pockitaru HighMan: ok i had a brain fart and i remebered it so easy
21:42 wannabe1987 tattoo
21:42 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm
21:42 Druidic_Rifleman You think you can handel a tat?
21:42 HighMan pockitaru: ?
21:42 wannabe1987 handle?
21:42 HighMan wannabe1987: Hope your knee gets better
21:42 wannabe1987 me too!
21:43 Druidic_Rifleman the pain
21:43 wannabe1987 i kinda wanted to dance tomorrow night
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21:43 pockitaru ptassium nitrate, sugar, and baking soda
21:43 wannabe1987 lol i hate pain, but its a good tat in a good spot, usually a REALLY PAINFUL spot :D
21:43 Druidic_Rifleman GRSS??
21:43 HighMan Arthritis? Or do you need a new socket?
21:43 wannabe1987 no, underground dancing community :)
21:43 Druidic_Rifleman rave?
21:43 wannabe1987 we branched off of GROSS
21:43 wannabe1987 no.
21:43 iSasha Hello
21:43 Druidic_Rifleman ah
21:43 pockitaru HighMan: ptassium nitrate, sugar, and baking soda
21:43 wannabe1987 lindy/westcoast/blues
21:43 wannabe1987 hi iSasha
21:43 Druidic_Rifleman i see
21:44 HighMan pockitaru: Rocket ingredients?
21:44 pockitaru iSasha: hello
21:44 Druidic_Rifleman Yeah Rcandy
21:44 Druidic_Rifleman Not what i am building
21:44 pockitaru HighMan: no military grade smoke gernade
21:44 HighMan O_O
21:44 Druidic_Rifleman I need some thing with an off valve
21:44 pockitaru or close enough
21:44 pockitaru if its done right
21:45 Druidic_Rifleman and FYI it's both
21:45 pockitaru what is
21:47 wannabe1987 along with a new knee, can i have a new brain?
21:48 Druidic_Rifleman The mix you posted
21:48 Druidic_Rifleman it's also used for rocket fule
21:49 Druidic_Rifleman Carbon And wax
21:49 Druidic_Rifleman Like myth busters
21:50 astro73|alice hi wannabe1987
21:50 wannabe1987 hi astro
21:50 pockitaru ? mythbusters did it too?
21:51 pockitaru didnt know that
21:51 pockitaru wannabe1987: why u need new brain?
21:51 wannabe1987 because i can't remember things
21:51 pockitaru lol
21:51 wannabe1987 there are chemical imbalances in my brain and they need to be fixed
21:52 astro73|alice everyone has those
21:52 pockitaru wannabe1987: you neer brain like mine i never forget things it just takes a wile to recover somtimes lol o and brains lik mine arnt cheep
21:52 wannabe1987 yes, but i can't find the chemicals necessary to fix it
21:53 wannabe1987 my glasses are....lenses and frames for $28 :D
21:53 pockitaru try pot lol jk
21:53 wannabe1987 i need to pay that tomorrow, i didn't have enough money in my checking acct
21:53 wannabe1987 and the next opening my dr has for med checks is MARCH 8!!!!!
21:53 wannabe1987 my housemates not her, can't see if he has any :P
21:53 wannabe1987 here*
21:53 astro73|alice wow, $28 glasses?
21:53 wannabe1987 mhm
21:54 wannabe1987 love my clinic :D
21:54 pockitaru wannabe1987: i have a misfire in theright frontal lobe acording to the eeg
21:54 astro73|alice of course, i always get good frames
21:54 wannabe1987 my glasses are WAY too strong, the right is a -1.5, needs to be -1, my left is -2.5, needs to be -1.5
21:54 astro73|alice ... why they'd do that?
21:54 wannabe1987 so i do need new glasses. and i'm technically legal to drive w/o my glasses :D
21:55 wannabe1987 because my other eye doc made his money by prescribing stronger glasses so we'd have to pay more....
21:55 wannabe1987 pockitaru: o.O  how does that manifest itself?
21:55 pockitaru i wouldnt want to be behind you on the road lol jk
21:55 pockitaru wannabe1987: birth
21:55 wannabe1987 and then he dialated my pupils and it was sunny out and HEADACHE
21:55 wannabe1987 no, like how does that hinder/help you in daily life?
21:55 wannabe1987 fuck i'm hungry
21:56 Druidic_Rifleman People say pot would help me
21:56 Druidic_Rifleman it would if i didn't have an adverse reaction to it
21:56 pockitaru social weirdness / really high inteligence
21:56 wannabe1987 bipolar?  it helped my x for a while
21:57 Druidic_Rifleman Autistic with PTSD and depression
21:57 Druidic_Rifleman the fact that i wanna work and hold down a job with my condition
21:57 Druidic_Rifleman amazes peoples
21:58 wannabe1987 social weirdness?  pockitaru no wonder you fit in well :)
21:58 wannabe1987 druid: most people want a job.  congrats for wanting to/thinking you can :)
21:58 Seroster I wanna turn my arm into a permanent cheat sheet, wich the eternal circle of P, U, I and R, together with a list of resistor colour codes and misc formulas =)
21:58 pockitaru wannabe1987: you guessed it bipolar manic sycosis stage 4, narsasistic rage, and a social annaped disorder
21:58 pockitaru thats my full diegnosis
21:58 astro73|alice ...
21:58 wannabe1987 sero: use ink tattoos :D
21:59 * Seroster highfives pockitaru
21:59 astro73|alice i just make bad choices
21:59 pockitaru lol
21:59 wannabe1987 annaped?
21:59 Seroster Welcome to thegeekgroup, brainfuck!
21:59 wannabe1987 astro:  like what?
21:59 pockitaru im not ashamed of it. it makes me. me
21:59 astro73|alice wannabe1987: reading webcomics instead of going to class
21:59 wannabe1987 i'm diagnosed with depression and ADHD
21:59 pockitaru fun
21:59 Seroster pockitaru, There is like two people in here that are not brainfucks
21:59 astro73|alice (also known as ADD)
22:00 Seroster I know of at least three ops in here that are aspies xD
22:00 wannabe1987 astro: thats the whole "lack of motivation" thing you posted on your tumblr a while back....i posted it on post secret secrets of mental health
22:00 pockitaru Seroster: brainfucks?
22:00 wannabe1987 sero: which two?
22:00 wannabe1987 yes.  messed in the head/mentally ill
22:00 Seroster ....I hate you you twat =P
22:00 Seroster pockitaru, As in people whose brains are fucked =)
22:00 astro73|alice wannabe1987: yeah, because you recently read through my entire tumblr
22:00 pockitaru o cool
22:01 Seroster ey astro73|alice, what's wrong with you? =)
22:01 pockitaru may the brainfucked geek inherit the earth
22:01 wannabe1987 i'm ADHD non-hyperactive, which is technically ADD, but they took the ADD diagnosis out of the DSM-VI and now you just have ADHD hyperactive or ADHD non-hyperactive
22:01 Seroster ^^
22:01 wannabe1987 yes, astro, i did.  it was quite fun and interesting and fun :D
22:01 astro73|alice Seroster: ADD, same as wannabe1987
22:01 Seroster Smoke weed. Bet it works. ^^
22:01 Seroster ah.
22:01 wannabe1987 depression too?
22:01 astro73|alice no
22:01 astro73|alice i'm way too happy
22:02 wannabe1987 lol
22:02 wannabe1987 manic.
22:02 astro73|alice well, a little bit of depression, in the motivation
22:02 Seroster We should make a list of geeks and what their brainfuck is xD
22:02 wannabe1987 there ya go :P
22:02 astro73|alice but no mood. i'm a happy person
22:02 pockitaru wannabe1987: i havent been on my meds for 6 years
22:02 wannabe1987 i um have my pills right here *points* i just forget to take them...
22:02 wannabe1987 and the ritalin doesn't fucking work!
22:02 astro73|alice i forgot mine this morning, too....
22:02 pockitaru my pills were the man just trying to bring me down
22:03 pockitaru lol
22:03 pockitaru ive been ODed on 4 diff pills
22:03 pockitaru by docters
22:04 Seroster Hey wannabe1987, I've heard that ritalin works great if you flush it down with vodka, try it ^^
22:04 wannabe1987 no thanks
22:04 pockitaru lithyum, depicote, trazadon, and wellbutrin
22:04 pockitaru lol
22:04 wannabe1987 o.O  pockitaru were there nurses around?  their job is to keep the dr from killing you
22:04 pockitaru it was priscibed
22:04 Seroster I always wanted to be on lithium, just so I can say "I R EATIN BATTERIES!"
22:04 wannabe1987 lol
22:04 pockitaru i was a special cass
22:05 pockitaru case
22:05 pockitaru lithium is a zomby drug
22:05 pockitaru it make drule
22:05 pockitaru lol
22:05 wannabe1987 yes, but the nurses job (esp in a hosptial) is to keep drs from killing patients from prescribing shit thats not good
22:05 wannabe1987 zombie* drool*
22:05 wannabe1987 :)
22:05 pockitaru yes that
22:05 Seroster pockitaru, where are you from?
22:05 pockitaru born?
22:06 Seroster Where do you live, your mother's tounge, country of origin?
22:06 Druidic_Rifleman Zombie drugs XD
22:06 wannabe1987 BRAINZ!
22:06 * wannabe1987 shoots zombies with nerf weaponry
22:06 pockitaru greeley collorado USA
22:06 * Druidic_Rifleman shoots zombies with a supper magnum 12 gauge
22:06 egrsteve do I need to get the noodle cannon?
22:06 wannabe1987 nice.  exor674 is in denver
22:06 pockitaru lol
22:07 wannabe1987 not yet steve.  you should bring it out for zomb saturday nigth :nods:
22:07 Seroster egrsteve, are you also mentally disturbed? =D
22:07 lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
22:07 egrsteve too much for indoor
22:07 wannabe1987 he seems normal....
22:07 egrsteve ish
22:07 wannabe1987 now lee on the other hand.....
22:07 wannabe1987 :)
22:07 wannabe1987 hi hun
22:07 Seroster lwq1996, HEY LEE! Are you normal?
22:07 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna make an elecro pnumatic Belt fed full auto
22:07 Seroster Maybe that is why you got rejected at the border?
22:07 wannabe1987 make whatever you want hun, the world is yours!
22:07 Druidic_Rifleman with 200 RND belts
22:08 Druidic_Rifleman Seroster.
22:08 pockitaru i made a wizard staff that shoots painballs like magic
22:08 lwq1996 seroster O.o
22:08 Druidic_Rifleman you a dutche go away
22:08 Seroster Yo lee, are you normal or odd?
22:08 wannabe1987 pockitaru: nifty!
22:08 lwq1996 im odd
22:08 Seroster At least I aint condecending =)
22:08 wannabe1987 lee is normally odd :)
22:08 Seroster Cool, how odd?
22:08 wannabe1987 we love him anyway :D
22:08 lwq1996 pretty odd
22:08 wannabe1987 lee, we're talking mental health :D
22:08 Seroster Just nerd-odd or drug-odd?
22:08 wannabe1987 and brain disfunctions
22:08 pockitaru hit was hard to figgur out but i smart so in goter done
22:09 lwq1996 geek odd :P
22:09 pockitaru i*
22:09 Seroster wannabe1987, Talking about mental health, or the lack thereof xD
22:09 wannabe1987 that too
22:09 pockitaru lol
22:09 wannabe1987 pockitaru: you say your smart but i can't understand you half the time :/
22:09 pockitaru for real my IQ is 185
22:09 wannabe1987 i understand typing disorders (dyslexia, etc)
22:09 egrsteve it's easier just to give up on sanity, besides the voices are entertaining, just look at GIbbroni
22:10 wannabe1987 lol
22:10 pockitaru got some of that too
22:10 pockitaru just a little dislexic
22:10 egrsteve there has to be at least a dozen in there
22:10 pockitaru and OCD that odd it dont mix
22:10 wannabe1987 what, voices?
22:10 wannabe1987 yeah....dyslexia and OCD.  have fun
22:10 pockitaru no OCD and dislexia
22:11 pockitaru it dont mix
22:11 pockitaru lol
22:11 Druidic_Rifleman I qualify for ODSP 3 times over
22:11 egrsteve quiet, I can't hear them if your talking
22:11 wannabe1987 the voices thinger was for egrsteve
22:11 pockitaru whats that
22:11 Druidic_Rifleman I want of it and a job
22:11 wannabe1987 WHAT?
22:11 wannabe1987 odsp?
22:11 Druidic_Rifleman Disability support pensiuon
22:11 wannabe1987 ah
22:11 pockitaru neet
22:11 pockitaru same
22:11 pockitaru here
22:11 wannabe1987 disablilty?
22:11 pockitaru yep
22:11 wannabe1987 exor674: you should get in here...
22:12 Druidic_Rifleman Heck I'll take 500$ a month to run a canadian Version of TGG
22:12 pockitaru but id rather support my self
22:12 wannabe1987 i thought you wanted to build a factory here....
22:12 astro73|alice that would imply anyone got paid in the TGG
22:12 Druidic_Rifleman wither or
22:12 wannabe1987 well, yes....me too, but work is hard and painful and OUCH
22:12 astro73|alice get a desk job!
22:12 Seroster astro73|alice, I'd argue that Omni gets semi-paid =)
22:12 wannabe1987 and reduces me to tears more often than not
22:12 wannabe1987 omni gets paid in puppy cookies :D
22:13 wannabe1987 desk job in the nursing world?  not at my level..
22:13 pockitaru yep i hurt every day but i tugh it out
22:13 wannabe1987 yes, but my job requires lifting/turning old folk and i can't do that with a bum knee
22:13 astro73|alice i think this is above my brainfucked level
22:13 wannabe1987 :hugs:  you're fine
22:13 wannabe1987 i'd love an it job....someone find me one :D
22:13 Seroster With a bum knee? I.E full of needles? =D
22:13 pockitaru in 2007 i compleatly tore my lumbar muscles in half
22:13 wannabe1987 how?!
22:14 Seroster Idk, I don't do drugs, but I doubt you shoot heroin in your kneecap...
22:14 HighMan XD
22:14 pockitaru moving an industrial frig
22:14 Seroster yo HighMan, you also a brainfuck?
22:14 wannabe1987 nah, its got that "thing" on it that boden pointed out
22:14 wannabe1987 he's asian, so maybe
22:14 wannabe1987 why were you moving that w/o machinery?
22:14 Seroster Holy crap, he's REALLY fucked '-'
22:14 HighMan Seroster: No...? I might be in a second (writers block)
22:14 Seroster Ah. Right
22:14 HighMan I need to write a 1000 word essay.
22:14 wannabe1987 sero: agree lol
22:14 wannabe1987 about?
22:14 Seroster Let's tease HighMan for being normal!
22:15 wannabe1987 he's not normal....he's highly annoying
22:15 HighMan I'm nothing close 2 norma..
22:15 wannabe1987 why is cory talking?!
22:15 pockitaru there were 3 of use and it only weighed 1800lb
22:15 HighMan Annoying I am. Normal I'm not.
22:15 HighMan ONLY?!?!
22:15 pockitaru lol
22:15 wannabe1987 T weighs like 300lbs and i get to roll him around by myself if i can...
22:16 wannabe1987 i couldn't today, needed Z's help and she puts me down at work :(
22:16 Electricguy bedtime! night night
22:16 wannabe1987 night
22:16 * exor674 hugs wannabe1987
22:16 wannabe1987 G came in, has never had my group before, i walked her around the group, then said "good luck!" and left :D
22:16 wannabe1987 poor girl
22:16 wannabe1987 thx exor674
22:16 wannabe1987 dredre
22:16 Seroster btw
22:16 Seroster electricguy is the most fucked up person in here
22:16 * astro73|alice hugs wannabe1987
22:17 pockitaru i can still carry with ease 5times my weight if im doing right and in a comfterbul way
22:17 Seroster He's *drumroll* swedish
22:17 wannabe1987 so are you....
22:17 HighMan Seroster: You ar.
22:17 HighMan *are.
22:17 Seroster Yeah, that's the joke. Börkbörkbörk.
22:17 pockitaru and i 150lb
22:17 wannabe1987 bork bork bork
22:17 wannabe1987 i'm almost 200 :/
22:17 Seroster No, börk
22:17 HighMan I'm 120.
22:17 Electricguy HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH THAT'S SO FUNNY SEROSTER!!!!!! WOW!
22:17 BitViper wth ? one of chris' old youtubes is blocked in the us ?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIFIaZAlkk&amp;feature=plcp&amp;context=C3ebf1d3UAOEgsToPDskIVGI-OyKJtZoYdvS7GM68M
22:17 wannabe1987 why is there a scale so aaccessible at work?!
22:17 Electricguy night all
22:17 pockitaru shut up no ur not
22:17 pockitaru lol
22:17 wannabe1987 night Electricguy :D
22:17 Seroster electricguy, Mind you, I am slightly mentally retarded, and hence I don't get sarcasm. Try again later )
22:18 wannabe1987 yes, HighMan but you're also 14
22:18 Electricguy no, you are highly mentally fucked...
22:18 Druidic_Rifleman wouldn't minde a decent Cane sword
22:19 pockitaru lets see 5 X 150 = 750 yep that sound bout right i can still swat 600lb and calve raise 1000lb
22:19 Seroster Maybe that is why you got rejected at the border?
22:19 pockitaru but only if im ready for it
22:19 pockitaru lol
22:19 Druidic_Rifleman Seriouets see 5 X 150 = 750 yep that sound bout right i can still swat 600lb and calve raise 1
22:20 wannabe1987 pockitaru: you can have my job, rolling T and fighting E to get his clothes on....
22:20 Druidic_Rifleman Seriously seroster STFU
22:20 BitViper Seroster : prolly got rejected because he's smarter than the average american these days
22:20 wannabe1987 Druidic_Rifleman: dont' mind him
22:20 Seroster BitViper, That doesn't say a lot =P
22:20 pockitaru wannabe1987: lol why whats that
22:20 pockitaru t and e
22:21 wannabe1987 becuase T used to be a former boxer and he weighs a LOT
22:21 Druidic_Rifleman Thats approven fact i am smarter then 2 former harvord proffessors
22:21 * Seroster headdesks
22:21 HighMan wannabe1987: xD and 5'9"
22:21 pockitaru lofl
22:21 Druidic_Rifleman Barrak odumba and Michelle ignative
22:21 pockitaru im 6'2"
22:21 wannabe1987 5'7"  or so
22:21 HighMan lol
22:21 pockitaru and no i dont workout lol
22:22 HighMan Nor do I
22:22 pockitaru and yes im riped like bruce lee
22:22 wannabe1987 girl llook at that body I WORK OUT!
22:22 wannabe1987 ripped*
22:22 wannabe1987 unless you ARE ripe....
22:22 wannabe1987 o.o
22:22 pockitaru yeah that
22:22 astro73|alice the speling here is arful
22:22 Seroster Yeah, I bet you are smarter than two former harvord proffessors,  However, I doubt you are smarter than two former Harvard professors.
22:22 pockitaru that too
22:22 pockitaru i like ripe
22:22 wannabe1987 lol
22:24 pockitaru " o yeah well uuuu im smarter that 2.5 former havord proffessors"
22:24 pockitaru r
22:24 pockitaru lol
22:24 Druidic_Rifleman you know
22:24 Druidic_Rifleman there was a convention intoronto called pandamonium
22:25 pockitaru nope i try not to know
22:25 Druidic_Rifleman It was larpers and table top players
22:25 pockitaru lol
22:25 Seroster I got a present for you, Druidic_Rifleman. http://tinyurl.com/4UDruid
22:25 Druidic_Rifleman the ball was pretty epic
22:25 wannabe1987 ok
22:25 pockitaru yeah im one of thoes
22:25 BotSteve Title: Webster's Standard Dictionary (2006, Paperback, New) (9781582793924) | eBay
22:25 wannabe1987 sero: druids not the worse speller here.
22:25 Druidic_Rifleman incharicter drinking party
22:25 pockitaru lol
22:25 Druidic_Rifleman Was rather epic
22:26 wannabe1987 i think its a tie between druid and pockitaru.....:P
22:26 Druidic_Rifleman The guy who ran it's wife killed it though sadlt
22:26 Druidic_Rifleman Sadly
22:26 pockitaru i was assassin
22:26 pockitaru lol
22:26 Druidic_Rifleman I played a king once
22:26 wannabe1987 lee used to suck at spellin but he's getting better
22:26 * wannabe1987 wonders if tgg:rpg will ever take place again :/
22:26 Druidic_Rifleman Crack quest the drunken quest for MORE POWER!!!!
22:26 pockitaru i saw king once
22:27 pockitaru most drunks are more powerfull
22:27 Druidic_Rifleman One guy actually said "I kill a dragon" and the DM was like OK... DAMN!! i need to figure out your loot
22:27 pockitaru lol
22:27 Druidic_Rifleman High level necromancer
22:27 Druidic_Rifleman With enough Saved up mana crystals to effectivly cast death 1000 times
22:28 pockitaru high level blood pressure
22:28 pockitaru lol
22:28 pockitaru NO MORE DOTS
22:28 pockitaru lol
22:28 wannabe1987 ...
22:29 wannabe1987 :)
22:29 Druidic_Rifleman More DOTS!!! allways XD!!!
22:29 pockitaru wannabe1987: dots are damage over time
22:29 wannabe1987 ...
22:29 wannabe1987 ok?
22:29 * BitViper changes his nick to "."
22:29 pockitaru but i look fat in polkadots
22:29 wannabe1987 lol
22:29 wannabe1987 who doesn't
22:29 pockitaru lol
22:29 BitViper pockitaru make the dots bigger
22:30 pockitaru oooooo ok
22:30 wannabe1987 lol
22:30 astro73|alice i have a shirt with a 1 mile polka dots
22:30 pockitaru one big dot
22:30 Druidic_Rifleman Looks rather good in flecturn
22:30 wannabe1987 o o o o o o
22:30 pockitaru ew
22:30 Druidic_Rifleman But Has allways looked hawt in camo
22:30 pockitaru thats like saying looks good in latex
22:31 Druidic_Rifleman noooo It's harder to look bad in camo
22:31 wannabe1987 .yt camoflauge
22:31 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrVTwZ63QA
22:31 pockitaru no flecturn
22:31 pockitaru whats that
22:31 astro73|alice you look good in latex if you got something to show off
22:31 * wannabe1987 looks for the song
22:31 wannabe1987 lol
22:31 Druidic_Rifleman German Camo
22:32 pockitaru like what a 6 pack  followed by 8"
22:32 Druidic_Rifleman One of the precurser's predating Cadpat and layter paturns like marpat
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22:32 wannabe1987 .yt brad paisley camouflage
22:32 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdUq-7oLx2M
22:32 wannabe1987 hi Hackbat :D
22:32 wannabe1987 listen to the song, druid
22:32 Hackbat hihi
22:32 wannabe1987 everything looks good in camo
22:33 pockitaru my cat dont
22:33 pockitaru lol
22:33 wannabe1987 how do you know?
22:33 pockitaru its sad
22:33 pockitaru i tryed
22:33 pockitaru lol
22:34 wannabe1987 "aint nothing that don't go with camo"
22:34 pockitaru kitties dont
22:34 pockitaru :(
22:34 wannabe1987 photo?
22:34 wannabe1987 PICS OR IT DIDN"T HAPPEN
22:34 astro73|alice but they look adorable with yellow and brown tips
22:35 wannabe1987 cats look adorable anyway :)
22:35 pockitaru yep i have 4
22:35 masterofmonks EWWWWWWW country music
22:35 pockitaru lol
22:35 wannabe1987 <3's country music, esp brad :D
22:36 * masterofmonks counterspells the country music.
22:36 pockitaru "they shot my dog and my truck dont work but this beer makes it better" that country music
22:36 masterofmonks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c20-fm_WNew
22:36 BotSteve Title: Iron Maiden - Paschendale - YouTube
22:36 astro73|alice ...
22:37 astro73|alice country music? really?
22:37 * Druidic_Rifleman nukes the country music from orbit
22:37 wannabe1987 what?!
22:37 pockitaru shudders
22:37 Druidic_Rifleman it's the only way to be sure
22:37 wannabe1987 why's everyone hate my music?
22:37 * wannabe1987 hides under blankets from the mean people
22:37 masterofmonks wannabe1987, have you ever heard it?
22:37 wannabe1987 heard what?
22:37 pockitaru i just barf alittel in my mouth
22:37 Druidic_Rifleman Country
22:37 masterofmonks Country music?
22:37 wannabe1987 johnny cash?
22:37 wannabe1987 willie nelson?
22:37 wannabe1987 reba
22:37 wannabe1987 yeah
22:38 masterofmonks Johnny Cash is not in the same category as any other artist that claims to be country.
22:38 masterofmonks Johnny Cash is in the Johnny Cash category.
22:38 pockitaru yep
22:38 * egrsteve aims LOIC at country music
22:38 astro73|alice i don't like cash either, but i can respect him
22:38 wannabe1987 lol
22:38 masterofmonks astro73|alice, have you hard his cover of Hurt?
22:39 astro73|alice no
22:39 * Druidic_Rifleman Calls up a Bombing mission of 1 million USAF MOABs on country music
22:39 masterofmonks That is *good*
22:39 * wannabe1987 goes to talk to chris who is a country music fanatic
22:39 pockitaru yeah made my ears bleed
22:39 astro73|alice maybe later
22:39 masterofmonks .yt johnny cash hurt
22:39 BotSteve masterofmonks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go
22:39 masterofmonks wannabe1987, chris who?
22:39 pockitaru bodden
22:39 wannabe1987 todd-howard
22:39 pockitaru ?
22:39 wannabe1987 he lives in new mexico
22:39 masterofmonks Oh.
22:39 pockitaru who
22:39 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_gk49n5djw
22:40 wannabe1987 chris todd-howard
22:40 BotSteve Title: Mother of all Bombs (moab) Test Drop - YouTube
22:40 astro73|alice see, i'm more pop or metal
22:40 Druidic_Rifleman I WANT ONE!!!!
22:40 wannabe1987 country-pop is good.  like taylor swift :D
22:40 egrsteve &WR&*(^$QE$^%&(*T
22:40 BitViper ^^
22:40 astro73|alice most pop is ok, but i'm not like and omgfan
22:40 einball uhm
22:40 pockitaru im tecno, electronica, trance, instramental
22:41 pockitaru o and a bass freak
22:41 wannabe1987 what steve?
22:41 einball To create Windowapplications in C++ in windows. What should I use to program it? Qt?
22:41 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIZ5FcV64EE
22:41 BotSteve Title: PowerMan 5000 - Drop The Bombshell (Lyrics) - YouTube
22:41 Druidic_Rifleman XD
22:41 einball I cannot find a thing to easily create Windows under Windows. sucks.
22:42 astro73|alice einball: not C++
22:42 einball ?
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22:43 * Druidic_Rifleman rocks out
22:43 pockitaru i havent sleeped since 11pm yesterday lol
22:43 wannabe1987 congrats!
22:43 Seroster Gnight folks
22:44 pockitaru i tierd thank god i dont work tonight
22:44 einball That problem never occured to me because I never had to create a window ... Or program something within windows OS
22:44 pockitaru bie
22:44 einball n8 sero
22:44 Seroster Math exam tomorrow, wooohooo...
22:44 pockitaru sounds fun
22:44 Seroster Not really, probabilities
22:44 pockitaru what math
22:44 pockitaru oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
22:45 einball stochastics? :D
22:45 Seroster Flip a coin twice what is the probability you get head-head, tail-tail and head-tail?
22:45 pockitaru i love probabilities
22:45 Seroster 25 25 50 derp
22:45 wannabe1987 ewwww math
22:45 pockitaru agains what though
22:45 pockitaru ?
22:45 pockitaru lol
22:46 einball astro73|alice: May you explain what you try to say me with "not c++" ?
22:46 Seroster pockitaru, Probabilities is so damn easy it's boring
22:46 pockitaru it was a trick question lol dont answer
22:46 Seroster Like... EVRYTHING at school.
22:46 pockitaru lol right
22:47 pockitaru i was home schoole for 3,4,5,grade
22:47 pockitaru i got borde withmy level
22:47 pockitaru so my mom started uping it
22:48 pockitaru by the 6th grade i was learning at a 3year collage level
22:48 pockitaru lol
22:48 wannabe1987 thats why homeschooling is so cool :)
22:48 pockitaru no it not
22:48 wannabe1987 try to do that in a traditional school
22:48 pockitaru well ok
22:48 pockitaru maby a little
22:48 pockitaru lol
22:48 Druidic_Rifleman Home schooled kids actually end up smarter
22:48 wannabe1987 you couldn't do that at my school
22:49 pockitaru i was picked on
22:49 wannabe1987 hey now
22:49 pockitaru :(
22:49 Druidic_Rifleman the problem is
22:49 wannabe1987 picked on fro what?
22:49 Druidic_Rifleman IT makes the Stupid Teachers look bad
22:49 einball Druidic_Rifleman: Smartass kids :>
22:49 pockitaru kids who went to reg school
22:49 einball astro73|alice: ? :(
22:49 Druidic_Rifleman and they encurage harassing kids in homeschool
22:49 pockitaru hell yeah they did
22:49 wannabe1987 at my shcool we were not encouraged to harrass anyone
22:49 pockitaru hut i could out class any of them
22:50 pockitaru but*
22:50 Druidic_Rifleman OK i have to order a foot of the steel i need For my rocket motor
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22:50 Druidic_Rifleman any one else possibly want one
22:50 pockitaru ello
22:50 pockitaru want one what
22:50 pockitaru >?
22:50 wannabe1987 hi leepod
22:50 wannabe1987 a f oot of steel
22:51 pockitaru why
22:51 Leepod Hey :D finally a iPod irc client that works
22:51 wannabe1987 which one?
22:51 Druidic_Rifleman Cause
22:51 pockitaru sombody is wraping quarters :)
22:51 Leepod Irc999
22:51 Druidic_Rifleman the matiral is only available in a foot long lenth
22:51 pockitaru i got stee;
22:51 pockitaru l
22:51 pockitaru L
22:51 pockitaru it looked lik a one
22:52 pockitaru lol
22:52 Druidic_Rifleman 12L14 ?
22:52 pockitaru what  you want to hit me with what?
22:53 pockitaru shame on u
22:53 pockitaru lol
22:53 pockitaru o wate never mind
22:53 pockitaru you wouldnt know
22:54 wannabe1987 ow
22:54 wannabe1987 why
22:54 wannabe1987 does
22:54 wannabe1987 allergies
22:54 wannabe1987 suck
22:54 pockitaru eharmony is bullshit
22:55 pockitaru loll
22:55 wannabe1987 no
22:55 Druidic_Rifleman LOL what was your first clue
22:55 wannabe1987 eharmony?  my aunt found my uncle there, he's the best thing for their family
22:55 masterofmonks wannabe1987, Sinus allergies?
22:55 wannabe1987 i dunno
22:55 astro73|alice okcupid is cheaper and worked pretty well for me
22:55 wannabe1987 its in my ear/throat right now
22:55 Druidic_Rifleman the fact that the accident;y sent an internal email to a black client that said "refuse the next 1000 black men there are to many of em"
22:55 wannabe1987 is that how you got girl?
22:56 astro73|alice yup
22:56 pockitaru thier fixing to blast
22:56 astro73|alice einball: C++ is all the complexity of Java with all the pitfalls of C.
22:56 pockitaru and they have crushed yet another one
22:57 Leepod Lol
22:57 pockitaru lol
22:58 wannabe1987 nice
22:58 eadthem joined #thegeekgroup
22:59 wannabe1987 hi eadthem
22:59 einball astro73|alice: It's free. It doesn't cost me a ton of money and I have to learn it anyway. I'd use Delphi, but the only Delphi I have here is Delphi 5 :D
22:59 pockitaru oooooo so camra 4 is the tool room
22:59 pockitaru lol i knew it
22:59 eadthem hey
22:59 wannabe1987 elton john tickets sold out in 3 minutes (or something crazy like that) and people are mad/upset
22:59 wannabe1987 ....
23:00 Druidic_Rifleman I was hoping for a more interesting live stream
23:00 BotSteve Seroster: tell BatSteve Fixed the fucking script yet?
23:02 Leepod Hmmm should I make my gf something for valentines day
23:02 BotSteve Seroster: tell BatSteve ... You haven't? You lazy bastard, get on it NOW or Imma get the beati'n stick!
23:02 wannabe1987 yes
23:02 pockitaru mmmmmm abby from NCIS is so hot
23:02 wannabe1987 YES
23:03 Leepod Iol
23:03 pockitaru she would fun
23:03 wannabe1987 ponko agrees with you
23:03 pockitaru be
23:03 wannabe1987 what lee?
23:03 wannabe1987 inbed?
23:03 Leepod What?
23:04 pockitaru an interesting night with woman
23:04 pockitaru that
23:04 pockitaru lol
23:04 pockitaru cant type strat wile thinking about abby
23:04 * KB3NZQ just rebuilt his dad's mag light (3X D-cell) and is about to rebuild His own 2X AA
23:04 astro73|alice einball: people use delphi for new code?
23:05 pockitaru streight* ?
23:05 pockitaru idk or care
23:05 pockitaru lol
23:05 wannabe1987 straight
23:05 Druidic_Rifleman For a 40 year old yes polly perret is a Damn sexy couger
23:05 pockitaru wahtever shes hot
23:05 wannabe1987 paulie
23:06 wannabe1987 i know its not polly
23:06 pockitaru dont care
23:06 wannabe1987 lol
23:06 Druidic_Rifleman I didn't beleave sge was in her 40s
23:06 pockitaru i got to chat with her onetime
23:06 wannabe1987 o.o
23:06 pockitaru on facebook or at leest she said it was her
23:06 pockitaru it was and event
23:07 pockitaru lol
23:07 pockitaru apparently im flatering
23:07 pockitaru lol
23:07 Phu2_ joined #thegeekgroup
23:07 Phu2_ and lo, I did this fckr running :P
23:07 Phu2_ .. I did get .. even
23:07 Druidic_Rifleman hey
23:08 Druidic_Rifleman Pockitaru she's single
23:08 Phu2_ and if I sort out DNS, i'd have a hostname too.
23:09 * wannabe1987 left her water bottle at work
23:09 pockitaru i know
23:09 pockitaru i want here but that wont happen
23:11 astro73|alice you gotta love when :nsfw is cleaner than here
23:11 pockitaru lol
23:12 Druidic_Rifleman though ziva is freaking hot to
23:12 einball astro73|alice: What should one use then? Java? lol ...
23:12 einball Assembler? :D
23:13 BitViper ^^
23:13 pockitaru i wouldnt minde a night with ziva eather
23:13 BitViper even better to write in straight machine code
23:14 pockitaru hay did boden post a vid today?
23:14 BitViper you guys take ziva, i'll take abby
23:15 SparkyProjects pockitaru: Last one was with Cory and Gibrni, nothing since
23:15 astro73|alice einball: i like python, but there are propenents for Java, Ruby, .NET, lisps...
23:15 pockitaru no we all share ziva and abby it will be like thoes DVDs we all own but wont admit to it
23:15 BitViper O_O
23:15 wannabe1987 what about kate?!
23:16 pockitaru SparkyProjects: thanks
23:16 astro73|alice what about her?
23:16 wannabe1987 dont' forget kate
23:16 pockitaru why
23:16 astro73|alice ... i don't
23:16 wannabe1987 cuz she died to save gibbs
23:16 astro73|alice oh, different kate
23:17 pockitaru o yeah she played pru in charmed right
23:17 pockitaru oo phebe
23:17 wannabe1987 lol
23:17 wannabe1987 lol@ astro73
23:17 pockitaru she was hot to
23:18 wannabe1987 not katemonster, but ncis kate
23:18 pockitaru kate from NCIS is prue from charmed
23:18 astro73|alice ... don't watch either of them
23:18 Noise_Marine joined #thegeekgroup
23:18 pockitaru why
23:18 wannabe1987 i don't watch charmed
23:18 wannabe1987 you don't watch NCIS?
23:19 pockitaru ncis is bad ass
23:19 astro73|alice i watch .... Doctor Who, Castle, Warehouse 13, and Once Upon A Time
23:19 masterofmonks Castle?
23:19 pockitaru bodens making a vid
23:19 astro73|alice Nathan Fillion's current show
23:19 pockitaru yeah jump for joy with me
23:20 pockitaru lol
23:20 BitViper \o/ Warehouse13
23:20 pockitaru good one
23:20 astro73|alice BitViper: i'm pretty sure that last finale counted as jumping the shark
23:21 wannabe1987 woo dr who!  i should start once upon a time, but i'm having issues keeping up with my shows as it is
23:21 BitViper astro73|alice : i watch so many shows im not sure i remember the most recent W13
23:21 BitViper id have to go watch it again
23:21 einball astro73|alice: not possible. I have a library and a C header file for that lib. I don't want to alter that thing.
23:21 pockitaru im on the walking dead right now
23:21 wannabe1987 too many good shows
23:21 astro73|alice einball: most languages have a way to talk to C
23:22 wannabe1987 glee (?), dr who, ncis, ncisla, big bang theory,
23:22 pockitaru love the big bang theory
23:22 wannabe1987 and i work 2nds so i don't get to see them on screen
23:22 astro73|alice i don't really follow TBBT closely
23:23 astro73|alice once upon a time is sooooooo plotty its amazing
23:23 pockitaru i work grave yard shift
23:23 Druidic_Rifleman Kate on NCIS there is a problem with bonking here
23:23 Druidic_Rifleman her*
23:23 pockitaru why
23:24 Druidic_Rifleman I am not into necro for one
23:24 wannabe1987 graveyard wooo
23:24 wannabe1987 lOL
23:24 * wannabe1987 starts the dr, the widow, and the wardrobe
23:25 pockitaru "the ethical man knows he shouldnt cheet on his wife the moral man wont" a quote from ducky on NCIS
23:25 wannabe1987 ducky is awesome
23:26 pockitaru thats some sound wisdom
23:26 astro73|alice wannabe1987: i need to watch that
23:26 pockitaru lol
23:26 wannabe1987 come over?
23:26 wannabe1987 :P
23:26 astro73|alice you're kinda far, and i don't get out until 7
23:26 astro73|alice and i still have homework to do tonight
23:26 wannabe1987 ah.  ok
23:26 wannabe1987 um
23:27 wannabe1987 later like friday!
23:27 wannabe1987 :D
23:27 astro73|alice sounds like a plan
23:27 wannabe1987 :D
23:27 wannabe1987 along with anime *shudder*
23:27 astro73|alice i'll even help you cook
23:27 astro73|alice hey!
23:27 wannabe1987 o.O
23:27 astro73|alice be nice to the awesome
23:27 wannabe1987 i was thinking....pancakes
23:27 wannabe1987 ok...
23:27 astro73|alice lol
23:27 astro73|alice i could cook for you; do you have a stock pot?
23:28 wannabe1987 yes
23:28 pockitaru im looking for appartments in grand rapids im thing appleridge
23:28 wannabe1987 you moving here?
23:28 astro73|alice i make a delicious chicken soup, using rotissery chicken
23:28 pockitaru its close to TGGHQ
23:28 wannabe1987 sounds good
23:28 astro73|alice my girl LOVES it
23:29 pockitaru im gathering money and then guna transfer to GR
23:29 pockitaru so i can show up and allready have a job
23:29 pockitaru lol
23:29 wannabe1987 cool.  where do you work?
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23:30 pockitaru LOVE's travel stops
23:30 wannabe1987 do we have any here?
23:30 * BitViper sneezes
23:31 wannabe1987 bless you
23:31 * wannabe1987 ducks for cover
23:31 HighMan BitViper: You scare anyone this time? And bless you!
23:32 BitViper i think i blew wannabe1987 away
23:32 astro73|alice now i want rotissery chicken...
23:32 wannabe1987 all i have is canned chicken atm :/
23:32 pockitaru lol caned
23:32 wannabe1987 food pantries!
23:32 BitViper fair warning, another sneeze coming
23:32 astro73|alice lame
23:32 pockitaru lol
23:32 * wannabe1987 pulls the covers up
23:33 wannabe1987 and theres no room in my freezer
23:33 wannabe1987 !!!! i have meatballs upstairs!!!!!
23:33 * BitViper sneezes, vaporizing himself
23:33 pockitaru is there a LOVE's in grand rapids i cant find one
23:33 astro73|alice :D
23:33 astro73|alice meatballs???
23:33 wannabe1987 homemade meatballs
23:33 wannabe1987 pockitaru: i don't think so....
23:34 pockitaru damn
23:34 astro73|alice nomnomnom
23:34 pockitaru that sucks
23:34 pockitaru what about an ARBY's
23:34 wannabe1987 food place?
23:34 wannabe1987 yeah
23:34 BitViper ewww
23:35 pockitaru cool that will work iv been at arbys fo almost a year
23:35 HighMan BitViper: Nice job.
23:35 wannabe1987 i know a guy who is assistant manager at one a mile and some from TGGHQ
23:35 HighMan Catches your remains.
23:36 BitViper HighMan : get a mop LOL
23:36 HighMan xD
23:37 dbshortwave joined #thegeekgroup
23:37 wannabe1987 hi dbshortwave
23:38 dbshortwave Hi wannabe1987
23:38 * wannabe1987 goes to get the meatballs from upstairs, makes the sauce
23:38 pockitaru wannabe1987: cool so thats close too
23:38 BitViper for reference, im not kidding about the power/violence of my sneezes either, i *cant* stifle them (unless i feel like blowing both eardrums and maybe a couple toes)
23:38 wannabe1987 mhm
23:38 dbshortwave mmm meatballs
23:38 wannabe1987 its on alpine
23:38 pockitaru nice its all walking distance
23:38 wannabe1987 yep.  the assistant manager walks
23:39 astro73|alice wannabe1987: do we have time for dr who on friday?
23:39 dbshortwave i have a small question
23:39 pockitaru appleridge is like 2.4m from tgghq
23:39 wannabe1987 always have time for dr who.  i don't work :)
23:40 dbshortwave would anyone know if freecad is a good idea for a total compleat tard like me to use to make some layouts and getting familiure with?
23:40 dbshortwave or would anyone have a better idea
23:40 pockitaru the youtube vids
23:41 pockitaru much better
23:41 pockitaru ive never been to tgghq and i can find my way around the place without a ture
23:42 pockitaru youll gett all the angles
23:42 wannabe1987 hmh
23:42 wannabe1987 mhm*
23:42 pockitaru dbshortwave: did get all that?
23:43 wannabe1987 tour*
23:43 wannabe1987 if its annoying, let me know
23:43 pockitaru no its cool i prefer it
23:43 dbshortwave i think it was a joke twards CAD lol
23:44 pockitaru o ok nevermind then
23:44 pockitaru dbshortwave: can you see the live feed right now?
23:46 dbshortwave no i havent loaded it in
23:48 dbshortwave yes i can
23:48 dbshortwave looks like cam 1 is out
23:48 pockitaru ok cam 4 is the tool room
23:49 BitViper dbshortwave : has been out for almost a week
23:49 pockitaru cam 7 that blue door is to the offices
23:49 dbshortwave yes
23:50 dbshortwave i see that
23:50 pockitaru cam 8 you can see were bodens office is HV and were the prep room out side of it with thumper butten
23:50 wannabe1987 stomper*
23:50 dbshortwave lots of flicker on the cams
23:50 wannabe1987 thumpers button is inside
23:50 dbshortwave yeah
23:50 wannabe1987 its the winding room, now
23:51 astro73|alice they're using the control room for thumper? oh boy
23:51 wannabe1987 no
23:51 wannabe1987 stomper!
23:51 astro73|alice ... that's what i meant
23:51 pockitaru cam 7 is also the first hall to left of main entence its facing west
23:51 wannabe1987 ok
23:51 astro73|alice that's some serious fire power
23:51 dbshortwave ive never been to TGG
23:52 pockitaru neather have i
23:52 pockitaru from main entrance straght and up will over look MDH
23:53 pockitaru the stairs on the right of the ones going up lead into MDH
23:53 wannabe1987 nope
23:53 wannabe1987 stairs down to MDH
23:53 pockitaru no?
23:53 wannabe1987 up to radio/conference room
23:53 wannabe1987 must i remind you i was there friday?
23:53 astro73|alice it used to look over the MDH
23:53 pockitaru but there is a window up there that looks into MDH
23:54 wannabe1987 yes....now its radio
23:54 pockitaru o ok
23:54 dbshortwave so the one you want answers from is right there and shes the best to ask lol ^.^
23:54 dbshortwave ;D
23:54 wannabe1987 pretty much
23:54 wannabe1987 astro, when was the last time you were there?
23:54 astro73|alice wannabe1987: .... summer
23:54 wannabe1987 not bad :)
23:55 pockitaru thrugh the lobby to the back and left will lead to the editing robotics and electronics
23:55 pockitaru wannabe1987: r you saying not bad to me?
23:55 wannabe1987 no
23:55 wannabe1987 astro
23:56 pockitaru o
23:56 Coderjoe January 13
23:56 pockitaru but im on the dot so far and ive never even been to that state lol
23:57 wannabe1987 elctronics is in the main basement, robotics is in its own basement, not accessible from  main basement, and editiong is in MC, above A/V supply
23:57 dbshortwave looks like someone next to me is intrested in the  Pirates of the Caribbean
23:57 pockitaru yeah i just remeber the directions right now
23:57 dbshortwave lol
23:58 pockitaru too tierd to think really straght right now lol
23:58 wannabe1987 lol
23:58 wannabe1987 sleep then
23:58 pockitaru not sleepy just tierd
23:58 pockitaru there is a differrence
23:58 pockitaru lol
23:59 pockitaru sleepy is sleepy
23:59 Druidic_Rifleman electronics Is in a differant part of the building from robotics
23:59 Druidic_Rifleman You have to go up to the cafe or into MDH
23:59 Druidic_Rifleman and then down into the basement to get from one to the other
23:59 pockitaru tierd is you want to fall over but you dont have the urge to sleep
23:59 Druidic_Rifleman I knows this
23:59 Druidic_Rifleman I helped work on those areas in minecraft lab

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