Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-02-22

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00:22 Seroster MoxieMike, egrsteve, SparkyProjects, Got proper drills now for the fire extinguisher/ 1/4-19 tap.  It wants a 11.8mm hole, and now I got a 11.5 and a 12mm drill.   The extinguisher was a lot thinner than I thought, about 3 millimeters thick. I measured the tap and there will only be three or four threads in the actual metal.   If I oversize the hole and thus make weaker threads I'm concerned it'll break under pressure (16bar
00:22 Seroster ) Do you think I the tap can handle chewing up the 11.5 hole to the proper size? (I.E will a tap eat 3mm more than it is meant to do?)
00:25 SparkyProjects Is it a tapered tap (end is tapered but rest is straight) ?
00:25 SparkyProjects If you wind it in till it gets tight, then wind it out, and repeat, you should be able to ease it in
00:25 Seroster Yeah, tapered
00:26 SparkyProjects Should be ok then if you do as i posted
00:26 Seroster Taper/tip 11.1mm  body 13,1mm
00:27 Seroster And it wants 11.8mm hole
00:27 Seroster So if I make 11.5 I am under 11.8 but still big enough for the taper =)
00:27 SparkyProjects Yep, i've done similar before, and the metal is fairly thin
00:28 Seroster Hints for first time pressurising?
00:28 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: Don't be near it?
00:28 Seroster I only got water pressure of 5BAR, can I fill it with water and then give it a cubic centimeter of 16BAR air?
00:29 Seroster If it goes off I don't want it to go off in a bad way
00:29 Monkeh|Lap Do you know what water does when it's shot out under pressure?
00:29 SparkyProjects What is the operating pressure of the extingusher ?
00:29 Seroster 190ba
00:30 roadran422 Monkeh|Lap: It hurts others.
00:31 SparkyProjects I wouldn't be pressurising it with people close by, even though it should  take the pressure, the failure would be the adaptor that you're screwing in
00:31 Seroster monkeh A cubic centimeter of air at 16bar will when released get the volume of 16ccs.
00:31 Seroster Yeah I aint test pressuring it in my apartment =P
00:32 SparkyProjects Just a tip, when you tap it, don't go all the way in, the tap has a taper, so should make a tigher fit.
00:33 Seroster 6.01liters of air at 16bar will become like 100 liters of air at atmospheric. - That will make pieces fly evryfuckingwhere.   6liters of water plus 0.01liters of air at 16bar will become 6 liters of water and 0.16liters. Wich won't make shit fly half as far.
00:34 SparkyProjects Pressure testing of cylinders is done with water, so you got that right
00:35 Seroster Generally they do it with 100% water, but I think the theory is sound for 99.5% water too =P
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00:43 roadran422 Popopopopoprocks
00:44 roadran422 SparkyProjects: If I trapped myself inside a farady cage, and was set in between 2 tesla coils, assuming lighting hit the box, I would be safe/
00:44 SparkyProjects Yes
00:44 Seroster Wow
00:44 roadran422 If I touched the faraday box when it was lightning?
00:44 Seroster those drills are craptacular
00:45 Seroster Yes
00:45 roadran422 Hm.. Ok
00:45 BitViper|Pain you'd be safe IF the cage was properly grounded ... if not ... all bets are off
00:45 roadran422 It's on the ground... Does that count? xD
00:45 BitViper|Pain maybe
00:45 BitViper|Pain better than not
00:45 SparkyProjects roadran422: As long as you touched the cage on the inside so the arc didn't hit your hand first, yes you'd be safe
00:46 roadran422 So.. It'd be luck??
00:46 egrsteve if the box is isolated from the ground and you are withing it you would still be fine, just don't stick a finger outside
00:46 SparkyProjects Doesn't matter if the cage is grounded or not, the idea of a Faraday cage is that the whole structure is at the same potential
00:47 roadran422 That's cool! /me Covers house in a faraday cage xD
00:47 roadran422 How bout a very very power solar flare?
00:47 SparkyProjects Take a look at those Tesla guys with the Faraday suit, they even jump off the ground, and yes they are touching the suit
00:47 egrsteve pull your house of the grid becasue thats where the surge is coming from
00:48 roadran422 True... xD
00:48 Istas Yeah, solar flares affect long electrical conductors, such as power line networks.
00:48 SparkyProjects roadran422: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrqdW4Miao
00:48 BotSteve Title: Tesla Coils - Arc Attack - Doctor Who Theme Song - Makers Faire 2010 - San Mateo - No. 1 - YouTube
00:48 Seroster Gee...
00:48 egrsteve for a solar flare long think many miles of wire are your biggest worry
00:49 Istas (specifically, the movement of the Earth's magnetic field due to the pressure of the ejecta from solar flares, if I have it sorted right in my head)
00:49 roadran422 I'll check that in a minute SparkyProjects
00:49 roadran422 Also.. If the earth somehow was covered in a faraday yet transulcent atmosphere?
00:49 egrsteve think of it as total flux enclosed within a loop
00:50 egrsteve long power lines = huge area
00:50 egrsteve and large induced currents
00:51 egrsteve due to line impediance the current will cause cause a voltage increase
00:52 egrsteve potentially destroying transfromers and substations due to dialectric breakdown
00:52 egrsteve unless there is a way to blead that extra voltage from the grid
00:52 roadran422 ..
00:52 roadran422 SparkyProjects: Cool!
00:53 egrsteve basicly you need a highspeed switch to shunt the HV line to the earth to protect the grid from huge solar flares
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00:53 roadran422 So a translucent farady cage as an atmosphere... Wouldn't help?
00:54 egrsteve it would
00:54 roadran422 Ok nice!
00:54 * roadran422 Listens to portal 1 ending and hides.
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00:54 egrsteve but it's easier to protect systems than build a giant conductive sphere
00:54 SparkyProjects You don't want a global faraday cage, you won't get satellite communications (GPS< Mobile phones, satellite TV etc)
00:55 SparkyProjects egrsteve: That's why power transmission lines have arc gaps
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00:55 egrsteve I know
00:55 egrsteve it's a high current high voltage "switch"
00:55 Seroster I'm so manly.
00:56 Seroster Removed some epoxy from under one nail, oil from another and primer from the third xD
00:58 BitViper|Pain SparkyProjects : how about protection from a nuclear EMP burst ?
00:59 Seroster SparkyProjects, you know anything about buses?
00:59 Seroster As in the means of transportation
00:59 SparkyProjects as in the vehicle or power ?
01:00 SparkyProjects What do you want to know ?
01:00 Seroster Thing is I was on a bus yesterday, and suddenly it filled up with a thick greasy smoke, so we were evacuated and got out, they told us an oil line had burst
01:01 Seroster ... I thought the oil of a 4stroke diesel engine was in the crankcase and it kinda stayed there, and all the doors are pneumatic... Theories what the oil did?
01:02 SparkyProjects yeah, that's a possibility, sometimes there's a short pipe from the engine to the oil filter because they couldn't engineer it internally to the engine
01:02 SparkyProjects If it was hydraulic oil, then there would be a pump on the side of the engine with pipes
01:03 SparkyProjects I would guess hydraulic oil, as those pipes are often rubber
01:03 Seroster Ah
01:04 Seroster Btw, the same bus when it arrived at the bus stop where we waited for it kneeled on my foot.
01:04 SparkyProjects SHouldn't have had your foot in the way :P
01:04 Seroster Wich is hillarious, because it gives you the opportunity to drop the line "Yo, mind removing the bus from my foot, eh?"
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01:04 Seroster He was too close to the sidwalk, over the sidewalk to be precise =P
01:05 SparkyProjects or "your bus is standing on my foot"
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01:05 SparkyProjects Good thing i usually wear totectors most of the time :D
01:05 Monkeh|Lap This is why my every day boots have steel toes.
01:06 Monkeh|Lap You can't trust other people not to do stupid things and crush your toes.
01:07 Seroster Aye
01:07 Seroster Or, as in my case, why I started wearing steel toes is I dropped a scaffold on my foot.
01:10 Seroster Thing is about a month after the nail regrew I dropped a hammer drill on the same toe, and I don't wear steel toe boots in my apartment =P
01:10 SparkyProjects It was a requirement in my job, company supplied them, though we could choose the style, i eventually went for trainers, much more comfortable than boots
01:11 Seroster .g trainers
01:11 BotSteve Seroster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainer
01:11 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Bleh, trainers.
01:11 Seroster Ah
01:11 Monkeh|Lap I can't wear anything without proper ankle support
01:11 SparkyProjects Seroster, you should wear steels in your apartment, what would happen if your pile of MOT's fell out of the cupboard ? :P
01:13 Seroster =D
01:13 Seroster I hope the mots would be fine :>
01:15 SparkyProjects actually my trainers are made by Trojan, something like this http://www.arco.co.uk/buy/products/4286-trojan-k96-air-bubble-trainer-safety-shoe-c-w-midsole-black.html
01:15 BotSteve Title: Buy Trojan K96 Air Bubble Trainer Safety Shoe c/w Midsole Black from Arco Limited
01:16 SparkyProjects Or i could wear my fireman boots :P
01:17 Seroster .yt flow drilling
01:17 BotSteve Seroster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhkWINPRK3A
01:17 Seroster That is how much my drill bits suck
01:17 SparkyProjects If your deill does that, you'd have a stronger hole
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01:18 SparkyProjects *drill
01:18 Toastdude Hi
01:18 Seroster =)
01:18 Seroster Taking this POS back to the store
01:20 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ve4M4UsJQo damn drills.
01:20 BotSteve Title: Honda - The Cog - YouTube
01:23 Sgt_Lemming .remind over in 30m
01:23 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Okay, not overly dissimilar to my normal boots.
01:24 Sgt_Lemming gah
01:24 Sgt_Lemming what'
01:24 Monkeh|Lap A bit low, bit..
01:24 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-nailer-safety-boots-black-size-12/28939
01:24 BotSteve Title: DeWalt® Nailer Safety Boots Black Size 12 | Screwfix.com
01:24 Sgt_Lemming what's the command to get botsteve to remind you about something?
01:25 Monkeh|Lap BotSteve: Remind me in 1 minute.
01:25 Monkeh|Lap Hm
01:25 Monkeh|Lap Thought that was in
01:25 Monkeh|Lap it
01:25 Monkeh|Lap Damn odd bot. :P
01:25 Monkeh|Lap BotSteve: help
01:25 BotSteve Monkeh|Lap: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is BatSteve.
01:26 SparkyProjects BotSteve in 1 minute test
01:26 SparkyProjects BotSteve: in 1 minute test
01:26 SparkyProjects Nope :P
01:26 egrsteve .in 30 sec remind ^^
01:26 BotSteve egrsteve: Okay, will remind in 30 secs
01:26 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Totally logical.
01:26 Sgt_Lemming .in 30 minutes remind about the oven
01:26 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: Okay, will remind at 01:56Z
01:26 BotSteve egrsteve: remind ^^
01:27 * egrsteve calls BS http://www.interestingengineering.com/2012/01/rca-airnergy-wifi-usb-charger-pulls.html
01:27 BotSteve Title: Interesting Engineering Facts
01:28 egrsteve not enough energy in wifi for that most acess points are maybe 100mw, upi will not use that to charge stuff near it
01:29 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: While that can work, not with wifi.
01:29 egrsteve i know
01:29 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Mythbusters had trouble powering a small helicopter with an 800W microwave.
01:29 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: How expensive are those?
01:29 egrsteve it's over short distances and a magnetic field ultimatly a split transformer
01:29 egrsteve no idea
01:29 egrsteve too much
01:30 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: $40 apparently.
01:30 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I wonder if it's always operating and charges an internal battery.
01:30 Monkeh|Lap Ah, yes, that's exactly what it does
01:30 Monkeh|Lap I.. suppose that could work
01:30 Monkeh|Lap .. but getting enough to charge my phone would probably take a week.
01:31 egrsteve still there is not that much energy in a wifi signal at any resonable distance
01:31 Monkeh|Lap It'd have difficulty keeping up with the self discharge of some cheaper batteries
01:31 egrsteve probably
01:31 egrsteve so BS
01:31 Seroster egrsteve, That charger thing makes me want to stab a kitten to death.
01:31 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Yeah. There's a LOT of power out there overall but there's so many frequencies.
01:31 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: GSM and the like would probably be a better bet.
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01:32 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Ever seen a GSM phone kill a multimeter?
01:32 egrsteve no, then you have  aself charging phone
01:32 Seroster ...Want to pull electricity out of shit in the air? Solar cells. There are a lot more sunny spots in the world than there are wifi spots, and you know what, the solar cells actually fucking WORK
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01:33 egrsteve no, but i know they make gsm sensitive key fobs
01:33 egrsteve for when a call comes in near by
01:33 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Well that's the thing, if that works at 2.1GHz, leave it on my windowsill and it'll charge pretty fast compared to wifi.
01:34 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: You or the lab got a Fluke 87V?
01:34 egrsteve i don't
01:34 Monkeh|Lap Know anyone with one?
01:34 egrsteve no
01:34 Monkeh|Lap Shame
01:34 Monkeh|Lap I can turn them off with my phone.
01:34 egrsteve why
01:34 egrsteve nice
01:35 Monkeh|Lap It's actually possible to totally kill one.
01:35 Monkeh|Lap Well, they did update the PCB to fix it but I doubt most people have had theirs replaced
01:35 egrsteve thats scarry, a phone should not put out that much rf
01:35 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: It was vulnerable to the specific frequency.
01:35 egrsteve ah ok
01:36 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Not sure if it was 900 or 1800.
01:36 egrsteve still, part 15, that phone would not comply
01:36 egrsteve or i doubt it would
01:36 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: It would, Fluke acknowledged it was a design flaw
01:36 Seroster I paid 20bucks for a bunch of drills that won't even drill 3mm of ductile iron... I wonder what the fuck they WILL cut...
01:37 Monkeh|Lap A very, very unusual one which does require the phone to be within a couple of inches of a specific area of the meter
01:37 Monkeh|Lap From one side only
01:37 Monkeh|Lap Still kinda hilarious to break a meter that pricy with a common phone.
01:37 egrsteve ok, so there was an inductor on axis to the antenna or something
01:38 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I'm really not sure, because the only changes in the revised PCB were on the other side of the board, just a few passive components.
01:38 Monkeh|Lap Only visible ones anyway
01:38 Monkeh|Lap Might be that they rerouted some traces
01:39 SparkyProjects Might be that they filtered the interference
01:39 egrsteve could be a number of things
01:39 egrsteve that would do it
01:39 Monkeh|Lap Yeah, it's hard to tell when all you can see are a couple of little SMT things
01:39 Monkeh|Lap It'd be fascinating to know exactly what they did
01:39 SparkyProjects Probbably a cap or two
01:39 egrsteve probably
01:40 Monkeh|Lap Hell of a vulnerability though
01:40 Monkeh|Lap Can you imagine putting your phone down next to your £350, wandering off for a minute, hearing the phone go off and coming back to find it's killed your meter?
01:40 Monkeh|Lap Er, £350 meter
01:41 Monkeh|Lap If anyone's got an 87V, try it.
01:41 Monkeh|Lap Me, I'm still waiting for my el cheapo chinese meter to arrive.
01:42 Monkeh|Lap Only shipped yesterday :/
01:42 SparkyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAu0O_0Ezps
01:42 BotSteve Title: EEVblog #185 - Fluke 87V Multimeter GSM Fix! - YouTube
01:43 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Yep, that's the one
01:43 SparkyProjects Just watching now to see if he says what they did
01:43 Monkeh|Lap Not that I recall
01:43 Monkeh|Lap He couldn't really tell for certain
01:44 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Caps and resistors, top right of the PCB.
01:44 Monkeh|Lap Wonder if they let him keep that meter
01:45 Sgt_Lemming <@Seroster> I paid 20bucks for a bunch of drills that won't even drill 3mm of ductile iron <--- iron is hard to drill because it's ductile!
01:46 SparkyProjects Probably yes, he can be a good advert for a good company
01:46 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I imagine they like that he's honest.
01:46 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: If he doesn't like something he just damn well says so.
01:46 Monkeh|Lap Loudly.
01:46 SparkyProjects Yep
01:47 Monkeh|Lap I dread to think how long it must've taken them to find the problem with that meter
01:47 BitViper|Pain just like chris
01:47 Monkeh|Lap That has to be an absolute pain in the arse to debug
01:47 BitViper|Pain i love how eev guy and chris both call things how they see it and fsck the naysayers
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01:50 SparkyProjects Yeah, when you think that Keags has just about disappeared from all searches, but there are others (bolt depot etc) probably getting loads of difference, you can see the value of doing a good job
01:51 SparkyProjects *loads of business :P
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01:51 BitViper|Pain also proof of the power of word of mouth advertising
01:51 Druidic_Rifleman hey all
01:52 Slewfoot hello
01:52 Sgt_Lemming bleh, god the guy from eevblog shits me off
01:52 Sgt_Lemming just the way he talks and apprcoaches shit
01:52 astro73|alice adjective for something that had a large effect on people
01:52 SparkyProjects Yeah, he hasn't got the greatest voice, but what he talks about is often interesting
01:53 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: He's, shall we say, excitable?
01:53 Sgt_Lemming a touch
01:53 Monkeh|Lap I'm quite interested in his PSU project
01:53 Monkeh|Lap Even if it is going to be too expensive for me
01:53 Monkeh|Lap I may steal some ideas
01:54 SparkyProjects Seems a bit over the top for me, but each to their own
01:54 SparkyProjects For me, transformer + bridge rect + caps + regulator = PSU
01:55 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Yes, now connect that to something which needs current limiting and a very stable supply. :)
01:56 SparkyProjects Current limit is good too for larger PSU's, like my 12 Volt 24 Amp one
01:56 Monkeh|Lap Current limiting is a great way to not melt the shit out of things.
01:56 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: remind about the oven
01:56 Monkeh|Lap (for bigger stuff)
01:56 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: THE OVEN!!!!
01:56 Seroster ... This drill aint producing shavings, it is producing powder...
01:57 Monkeh|Lap The drill is being operated incorrectly
01:57 SparkyProjects Or, the drill is chinese :P
01:58 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: racist british! (reference you will not get)
01:58 Seroster How can you operate a drill incorrectly?
01:58 Seroster 1, put in chuck. 2, drill.
01:58 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: Very easily.
01:58 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: Just watch Boden use a drill, then you'll know exactly what NOT to do.
01:59 Seroster ...I'm tellin!
01:59 Seroster ...Provided you don't give me a link
01:59 SparkyProjects Not racist, i had several workmates who were chinese, just seems a lot of their manufacturing sucked :P
01:59 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I know, just a reference nobody would get.
01:59 Seroster "I aint no racist or nuthin but all blacks I know like watermelon and chicken"
01:59 SparkyProjects Seroster, are you rotating the drill the right way, not backwards :P
01:59 Seroster I hate you SparkyProjects ;P
02:00 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Long story short, I've spent the last year and a half or more trying to get Freenode to permanently remove a certain Taiwanese person who is utterly convinced I'm racist (well, me and every other british person + the rest of two channels)
02:00 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: .. I admit we may have made things slightly worse with him by stealing his nick out from under him, but hey, it was funny.
02:01 Sgt_Lemming .in 50 minutes cake!
02:01 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: Okay, will remind at 02:51Z
02:01 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: IT'S A LIE!
02:02 SparkyProjects Sgt_Lemming: is making Nyan cake :D
02:02 Seroster SparkyProjects, you should totally be in #tgg:nsfw
02:02 SparkyProjects Nope :P
02:03 Seroster Vulcans libido increases with age.
02:03 SparkyProjects I have no need to be crude, never have :P
02:03 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Nobody needs to be crude.
02:03 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: But sometimes, it's just fucking fun to be. :)
02:05 Monkeh|Lap I wonder what RCBOs cost these days.
02:05 Istas Hmm. Has a fragment of dubstep broken off and made it into the room?
02:08 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: They really need to work on getting the prices of these things down.
02:09 Sgt_Lemming .t pst
02:09 BotSteve Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:09:06 PST
02:09 Sgt_Lemming damn
02:09 Sgt_Lemming should of rang them an hour ago >_<
02:11 * BitViper|Pain is watching the christmas tree cb episode (dec 13) and dying laughing
02:12 Monkeh|Lap Dear Yodel: Why is my box still in Hatfield when I paid for it to be delivered yesterday?
02:15 SparkyProjects Monkeh|Lap: Yeah, they can be quite pricey, what we did at work was to get the MCB's that can take the RCB module as an add on, was great because you're not limited to 32 Amps, you can even make a 6 Amp RCBO
02:15 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: You can get a whole range, now :P
02:16 SparkyProjects http://www.ewholesaler.co.uk/shopimages/sections/normal/switchgear/MEM/MEM_mch106r30.jpg
02:16 SparkyProjects MEM breakers
02:16 Monkeh|Lap Those are more than a little pricy
02:18 dbshortwave not bad.jpg
02:19 SparkyProjects Those were the only ones of that type available when i last worked, besides, i wasn't paying for the parts :P
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02:21 Cprossu scary
02:21 SparkyProjects One of the things we wanted to do was standardise as much as possible
02:21 SparkyProjects Problem we had with Starbreaker is that after we installed several boards during site refurbs, they changed the design from standard busbar to plug in busbar :P
02:22 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Scary?
02:22 masterofmonks SparkyProjects, quick opinion, Anderson Connectors?
02:23 SparkyProjects link ?
02:23 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: Aren't they like, industry standard for high current DC?
02:23 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Powerpole_stuff.jpg
02:23 masterofmonks Monkeh|Lap, sort of.
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02:24 masterofmonks SparkyProjects, http://image.tradevv.com/2008/08/09/dostar1314_199872_600/single-pole-connector-anderson-style-power-pole-connector-solar-charger-connector-cable-assembly.jpg
02:24 lwq1996 hi
02:25 masterofmonks Morning.
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02:26 yNos bah
02:26 SparkyProjects not sure i like the idea of only one mating surface, but as long as you rate them properly, and don't wear them out by continual connecting/disconnecting ....
02:26 SparkyProjects But they are in use in many applications and many sizes
02:26 BitViper|Pain humbug
02:26 Monkeh|Lap It's an yNos
02:26 yNos just got back home
02:26 Cprossu humbug!
02:26 Cprossu hey yNos what's brewin'?
02:27 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: What's wrong with one mating surface?
02:27 wannabe1987 its Cprossu!
02:27 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: At least it gets good surface area.
02:27 yNos just did tires for Jeff's bike
02:27 yNos how are things with you, Cprossu. Its been a while
02:27 lwq1996 OH MY FUCKING GOD ITS A WANNABE(EMO) :p
02:27 wannabe1987 ....
02:27 Cprossu things are slightly going downhill but for the most part they are OK
02:27 BitViper|Pain everyone RUN !
02:27 wannabe1987 thanks BitViper|Pain
02:27 roadran422 HERPDERP
02:28 roadran422 afk
02:28 * lwq1996 derps at wannabe1987
02:28 wannabe1987 ???
02:28 BitViper|Pain you survivied the day aparently wannabe1987
02:28 wannabe1987 yeah
02:28 wannabe1987 barely
02:28 lwq1996 im dilerious i need sleep
02:28 SparkyProjects Monkeh|Lap: Think about what gives contact pressure, it's just plastic, if the connector gets hot in a fault condition, you can lose that pressure
02:28 HighMan|AFK Congrats wannabe1987, I got a present for you. It's a.
02:28 wannabe1987 then sleep
02:28 HighMan|AFK brb
02:29 lwq1996 cant till 10:30 to straighten out my damn sleep cylce
02:29 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: True, but most other connectors lose pressure in fault conditions too.
02:29 wannabe1987 thats the best presant of all...... HighMan|AFK leaving :P
02:29 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: BS1363 isn't exactly known for coping well with getting warm!
02:30 SparkyProjects Depends on the sockets, some makes i would never install
02:30 astro73|alice hi wannabe1987
02:30 wannabe1987 hi astro
02:30 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I've used a variety, none have contacts I really like.
02:30 astro73|alice can you help me with an english question?
02:30 wannabe1987 its david tenant!
02:30 wannabe1987 sure!
02:30 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Biggest downside of 1363: Poor contact area.
02:30 Monkeh|Lap Look at the sheer size of the pins for the rating
02:31 astro73|alice adjective for something that had a large effect on people?
02:31 wannabe1987 such as?
02:31 astro73|alice well, an event
02:31 wannabe1987 it had a tremendous effect?
02:31 astro73|alice ... one word adjective?
02:31 astro73|alice a ____ event
02:32 BitViper|Pain epic
02:32 BitViper|Pain no, no ... KEAG !!!
02:32 wannabe1987 hahah
02:32 astro73|alice it should have neutral or negative conotations
02:32 BitViper|Pain definitely keag
02:33 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: These days I actually use a cheapo brand
02:33 astro73|alice also, it should be a word normal people would recognize
02:33 astro73|alice .d keag
02:35 Druidic_Rifleman WB wannabe
02:35 wannabe1987 thanks druid :D
02:35 SparkyProjects In 32 years, never had an overload problem with MK plugs and sockets, unless someone put a nail instead of the fuse.
02:35 SparkyProjects Duraplug are crap on anything close to 13 Amps, the fuse carrier gets hot (seen many with brown marks on them), we replaced those with MK toughplugs.
02:36 astro73|alice the word I'm trying to replace is "impactful"
02:36 Druidic_Rifleman Hmmm sooo keag is a curse word??? like when i tried to enter the US the Custems morons keaged the process?
02:36 Seroster Crap
02:36 Seroster -.-
02:37 BitViper|Pain Druidic_Rifleman : exactly
02:37 SparkyProjects wasup ?
02:37 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I tend to think of 1363 as 10A these days.
02:37 wannabe1987 yes
02:37 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Not like you need more anyway.
02:37 Istas "Aw man, I really Keaged this thing up."
02:37 Seroster I know why this drill isnt cutting anything. It's because it doesn't have any edges.
02:37 Seroster Wich is more or less the most crucial part of the entire fucking bit
02:37 SparkyProjects 3kw fan heaters take nearly 13 Amps
02:38 Seroster .c 3000/15
02:38 BotSteve 200
02:38 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: And are almost impossible to find now
02:38 Seroster You run 3kw fans on one phase?
02:38 SparkyProjects 3Kw on 240 volts is about 12.5 amps, then you have the fan motor
02:38 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: 3kW heating elements.
02:38 HighMan|AFK Back
02:39 HighMan|AFK wannabe1987: Do you want to know what your present is?
02:39 wannabe1987 awww you're here....my present got taken away
02:39 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Which can be about 100W, and there's your limit.
02:39 Monkeh|Lap Off the top of my head..
02:39 Monkeh|Lap .c 3120/13
02:39 BotSteve 240
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02:39 Monkeh|Lap Yep.
02:39 HighMan|AFK wannabe1987: Impossible... I forgot what it was sorry...
02:39 HighMan|AFK I could of sworn it was in my hands...
02:40 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I prefer to consider 10A the limit and break out the commandos for more.
02:40 SparkyProjects Most fan heater motors are around 30W, just a record player motor, or microwave oven fan motor
02:41 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Ever noticed how they have significantly smaller pins for higher current ratings?
02:41 Monkeh|Lap The contact design of BS1363 sockets is poor. I otherwise like them though.
02:43 SparkyProjects Most of the equipment was way less than 13Amps, mostly small lab or office stuff
02:43 SparkyProjects Out on the farms was bigger, steam cleaners were close to 13, though we often put IEC309's on them
02:43 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Some of the fan heaters I've got kicking around are 80W motors.
02:43 SparkyProjects http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/249047966/CEE_O23Industrial_socket_IP_44_waterproof_plugs.jpg
02:44 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I'm familiar with the 60309. :)
02:44 Monkeh|Lap They're bastard hard to pull apart but they can actually take their rated current. For a very long time, even if you unplug them a lot.
02:44 SparkyProjects Others may not be, so photo is useful
02:45 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: That's because they're barbarian yanks.
02:45 SparkyProjects That's why we need to educate them :P
02:45 SparkyProjects :D
02:45 SarahM ...
02:45 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I try, oh how I try
02:46 HighMan|AFK SarahM: Sorry
02:46 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Trying to get them to understand the concept of a 20A circuit carrying 20A is amazingly difficult.
02:46 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: So instead they have breakers which trip if you sneeze.
02:47 astro73|alice it's like fitting a pint of water into a waterballoon made for a cup
02:47 SparkyProjects Yeah, they have some crazy rating scheme.
02:47 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: '20A means it trips at 20A!'
02:47 Monkeh|Lap No, it means it PASSES 20A. And if you think it's silly that it also passes 25A, you don't quite get thermal tripping..
02:48 * lwq1996 pokes wannabe1987
02:48 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Problem is, all their industrial stuff uses ordinary, real world breakers.
02:48 wannabe1987 hi
02:48 SparkyProjects well 20A plus a tolerance depending on if it's wire, hrc, mcb (a b or c) etc
02:48 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: So they supply circuits in their weird things and then have bog standard IEC 60989-1 breakers in equipment.
02:49 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Well, yes, but as I recall a B20 will pass about 25A indefinitely
02:50 Monkeh|Lap .. and seeing as the cable should be rated for 25A ( In x 1.25, right?) and those are pretty damn conservative ratings in reality anyway..
02:51 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: cake!
02:51 wannabe1987 .cake Sgt_Lemming
02:51 BotSteve Here you go, Sgt_Lemming, I baked you a chocolate orange cake!
02:51 SparkyProjects http://www.clrwtr.com/PDF/ABB-Controls/ABB-S200-Miniature-Circuit-Breakers.pdf
02:51 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: As I recall, 1.5mm T&E will actually pass about 28-30A in free air before damaging the insulation, which is quite a bit past its free air rating
02:51 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: PDF plugin broken again.
02:53 SparkyProjects Can't remember what they could pass, plus it's been a while since doing any electrical
02:53 SparkyProjects Generally we knew that a certain  size of cable would be fine for a certain application
02:53 SparkyProjects It's like every electrician knows that 1mm is fine for domestic lighting :P
02:53 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I think the clipped direct rating is 18A or 20A or so
02:53 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Unless thoroughly buried in insulation, yes.
02:54 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Which is why this house has a mix of 1.0 and 1.5
02:54 SparkyProjects Most of my work in latter years was in control panels (maintenance/breakdown) and in security systems
02:58 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Yep, 1.5mm, clipped direct 20A. In reality it takes a good chunk more than that to actually damage the insulation.
02:59 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Got an IR thermometer?
02:59 SparkyProjects More used to dealing with singles cabling, or something up to 150mm 4 core armoured :P
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03:01 SparkyProjects If i wired a house, i would use 1.5, you never know if someone is going to upgrade to spots everywhere (i'm talking the old style 75 or 100 w)
03:01 wannabe1987 wtf sarah?!
03:01 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Well they'd have to upgrade the breaker too
03:01 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I'd use 1.5 simply because I don't see the point in keeping 1.0.
03:02 SparkyProjects Yep, but at least the wiring didn't need changing
03:02 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: 1.0 can basically only be used for lighting and alarm circuits, is barely cheaper or thinner than 1.5. 1.5 can be used for lighting, alarm, and small radials.
03:02 SparkyProjects plus, how many times have you screwed 1.0 into a connector and sheared the wire :P
03:03 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Never, because I'm gentle. :P
03:03 Monkeh|Lap .. the number of times I've snapped it trying to straighten out the crap people have left behind for me, on the other hand..
03:03 SparkyProjects I like tight connections, they rarely work loose
03:03 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I find you only need to bite the copper a little.
03:03 Monkeh|Lap So it springs back and jams the threads.
03:04 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Now, go get an IR thermometer, a 30A current limiting supply, and some 1.5mm T&E (or singles)
03:04 HighMan|AFK Anyone hear the story about the guy in sweden living off of no food for 2 months?
03:04 SparkyProjects Believe it or not, the AC can assist in loosening screws. (according to a workmate that heard it from a lecturer at college)
03:05 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: I can believe lots of things where alternating magnetic fields are involved.
03:05 Seroster THREE HOURS TO MAKE A GOD DAMN HOLE
03:05 Monkeh|Lap AC is a royal pain in the arse
03:05 Seroster And I gotta let the drill rest for a while now -,-
03:05 HighMan|zZz Seroster: What did you use to drill the hole? Your finger through titanium?
03:06 Seroster A brandspanking new drill
03:06 Seroster Bought less than a day ago
03:06 HighMan|zZz Through what, what drill, what type of bit?
03:06 Seroster Through three millimeters of iron
03:06 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: A crap drill you were using wrong
03:06 Seroster HSS 11.5mm, predrilled with 6mm
03:07 Seroster A crap drill yes.
03:07 Seroster I still paid good fucking money for it.
03:07 HighMan|zZz WTF
03:08 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: Go buy a few good Dormer drills.
03:08 HighMan|zZz Three millimeters of iron. Wtf. Is that possible?
03:08 HighMan|zZz .c 3mm to in
03:08 BotSteve 0.118110236 in
03:08 astro73|alice Seroster: i thought we haven't had fucking money since the romans?
03:08 astro73|alice it's all regular money
03:08 Monkeh|Lap astro73|alice: Depends if you're a whore or not.
03:08 * HighMan|zZz I am lost.
03:08 HighMan|zZz How! Just how!
03:08 Seroster My mother is, and that is why I have fucking money.
03:08 astro73|alice the romans had coins representing sexual favors
03:08 Monkeh|Lap HighMan|zZz: ... how what?
03:09 HighMan|zZz Seroster: No way of speaking about your mom like that.
03:09 Seroster What? If she wants to be a hooker I'm all for it.
03:09 Monkeh|Lap astro73|alice: So do whores.
03:09 HighMan|zZz :P
03:09 HighMan|zZz Seroster: Tis Tis Tis.
03:09 HighMan|zZz Night
03:09 Seroster Lol
03:09 Seroster What were you asking how?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap HighMan|zZz: Go look at some aluminium foil.
03:09 HighMan|zZz ?
03:09 Monkeh|Lap HighMan|zZz: Your mind will, hopefully, implode.
03:09 Seroster How it can take hours and hours to drill through 3mm of iron?
03:10 Seroster I think I could have worn my way through that metal with a piece of bamboo...
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03:10 HighMan|zZz Seroster: ... Yes how!?!?
03:10 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: I think it would've taken me a couple of minutes
03:10 Seroster I dun fucking know, HighMan|zZz =P
03:10 astro73|alice Seroster: seriously? I could have put a nail through in hours
03:10 Seroster monkeh with this drill, be my fucking guest =P
03:10 Monkeh|Lap astro73|alice: I could put a nail through in an instant.
03:10 HighMan|zZz Seroster: It's like saying it took 3 hours to drill through a sheet of paper 3mm thick!
03:10 HighMan|zZz WTF!
03:10 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: This is why I have a pillar drill.
03:10 Seroster If I can't return it to the store I'll mail it to you
03:11 HighMan|zZz Thx
03:11 SparkyProjects Seroster, have you got a 10mm drill, if so try that, though if you got the metal hot with the crap drill, it could be too hard now
03:11 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: No thanks, I can get a Dormer of that size for a couple quid.
03:11 Monkeh|Lap And yes, use cutting fluid
03:11 Seroster SparkyProjects, It cuts fine in the middle, but there is nothing there to cut at the edges of the hole
03:11 Monkeh|Lap I often spray WD40 on
03:12 Seroster ...I always use cutting fluid
03:12 Monkeh|Lap Anyway, I need some sleep
03:12 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: We want melting wires.
03:12 Seroster Yeah, so does my drill.
03:14 lwq1996 hey seroster would you do this?
03:14 lwq1996 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJUREA0cmQ
03:14 BotSteve Title: Hand feeding your pet Polistes wasps - YouTube
03:15 Seroster SparkyProjects, I got this issue, http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/th/content_26/DRILLDOCTOR_B000BKTA00-3-lg.jpg
03:16 SparkyProjects Monkeh|Lap: We had some barns, the lights were in the apex of the roof, (about 6 drops from metal conduit), the wire was vir (cloth covered rubber), to find a short in the conduit we used to replace the fuse wire with something bigger, someone would watch for smoke at the conduit boxes while we powered it up.
03:16 SparkyProjects Worked every time :D
03:17 SparkyProjects Seroster, not good :P
03:18 Seroster Yeah I know xD
03:18 Seroster Amd I can't resharpen it because then they might refuse to give me a refund
03:19 SparkyProjects Take it back tomorrow, tell them you want to cut metal not butter, and buy a decent make of drilll
03:19 Seroster Aye
03:20 Seroster Thing is getting there by bike is an hour and a half
03:20 SparkyProjects Don't you have buses ?
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03:21 Seroster I hate public transit =P
03:22 Seroster Mostly because buses always park on my feet
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03:25 tehdark45 hello hacks
03:25 tehdark45 :P
03:26 tehdark45 lwq1996, the biggest hack :P
03:26 lwq1996 shut up -.-
03:27 lwq1996 oh
03:27 Seroster YES
03:27 Seroster FINALLY
03:27 tehdark45 Ahh the Seroster
03:27 Seroster Fuck that took soem time
03:28 Toastdude Get off the Internet, now, tehdark.
03:28 tehdark45 what were you doing Seroster?
03:28 SparkyProjects So you finally melted your way through ?
03:28 tehdark45 No u Toastdude
03:28 tehdark45 :P
03:29 tehdark45 whats up Toastdude
03:30 Seroster More or less, SparkyProjects
03:30 SparkyProjects Lets hop the tap doesn't suck
03:30 Seroster Went for broke, removed all oil, leaned with all my weight on the drill and turned the knobs to 11..
03:30 Seroster The tap is a good one
03:31 Seroster So after a few seconds of SCREEEACH the drill bit took a bite of the metal and ripped the drill out of my hands, then I just ran the drill to its highest speed and jabbed it down into the hole biting off a few degrees every time
03:32 SparkyProjects Remember to not go all the way through with the tap, leave a bit of taper
03:32 Seroster Eh?
03:32 Seroster The threads are straight, there is no taper except for the very tip
03:33 SparkyProjects ah, ok
03:34 SparkyProjects Was hoping if you left a bit of taper, you would need to force the last bit and that would make a tighter bond
03:34 Seroster Ah
03:34 Seroster I've got faith in teflon tape =)
03:34 SparkyProjects cool :)
03:35 * lwq1996 smacks serosters ass
03:35 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46X5WzOfuo&amp;feature=g-vrec&amp;context=G29ee0f0RVAAAAAAAAAA
03:35 BotSteve Title: CNC Fräsen Milling "Nockenwellenrad" Siemens 828D - YouTube
03:35 Seroster That is how it's SUPPOSED to look!
03:35 lwq1996 hehe siemens
03:36 Seroster It's less about machine manufacutre and more about programmer and tooling
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03:40 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIElFAibxTU&amp;feature=related
03:40 BotSteve Title: CNC Fräsen Milling "Quaser MV 204 CV" - YouTube
03:48 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdthHCsxdw&amp;feature=related
03:48 BotSteve Title: High Speed Video - Milling EvoTec 45 degree Face Mill, Series SN2J - YouTube
03:48 Seroster =D
03:52 Istas Augh, Seroster got me watching milling videos again.
03:56 BatSteve sup
03:56 Toastdude BatSteve!
03:56 lwq1996 BATS
03:56 * Experimentonomen yawns
03:56 lwq1996 toastdude O.o you lurking
03:56 lwq1996 experiment on men just got up as it seems
03:56 Toastdude No...
03:56 Experimentonomen huten morgen
03:56 Toastdude guten*
03:57 Toastdude ?
03:57 BatSteve ha, I like that
03:58 lwq1996 TODAY IS MARDIGRA
03:58 BatSteve Really?
03:58 lwq1996 yes
03:58 BatSteve I thought Mardi Gras was a week long?
03:58 lwq1996 fat tuesday
03:58 BatSteve oh cool
03:59 lwq1996 for lent im giving up pop
03:59 BatSteve Excellent!  Good luck!
03:59 lwq1996 lol ik  :/
04:02 * Experimentonomen wonders wat wannabe1987 thinks abt gmod
04:02 wannabe1987 Experimentonomen: its got alot of SHIT to dl before i can touch the game...
04:02 BatSteve http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2011/04/destinations.png
04:02 Experimentonomen hm
04:02 lwq1996 is it on steam?
04:03 wannabe1987 yes
04:03 wannabe1987 thats where i bought it from
04:03 lwq1996 ah
04:03 lwq1996 i have no money, maybe someone will gift it to me
04:04 Experimentonomen ever tried minecraft ?
04:04 wannabe1987 some time :)
04:04 Sgt_Lemming BatSteve, you about?
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04:04 * lwq1996 smacks batsteves ass
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04:05 wannabe1987 MY BACK HURTS
04:05 Istas Hello BatSteve.
04:06 BatSteve Sgt_Lemming: hi sarge
04:07 BatSteve hi Istas
04:07 Cprossu BatSteve: It's missing "Here" and "There"
04:07 Cprossu also, hi!
04:08 BatSteve Hi Cprossu!
04:09 wannabe1987 hi bats!
04:09 Cprossu so what's been cooking lately BatSteve?
04:11 BatSteve Cprossu: Honestly?  Work.  Class.  Sleep.  Back to work.
04:12 BatSteve in the gaps, Arkham City.
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04:12 Cprossu fair enough.
04:12 tehdark45 It's a Cprossu
04:12 Cprossu how's that game been?
04:12 Cprossu indeed it is, a tehdark45.
04:12 tehdark45 Cprossu, you lost the game :P
04:12 * Experimentonomen eats some potato chips that smells like shit
04:13 Cprossu all right who replaced Experimentonomen's bag of potato chips with a bag of cow chips? *eyes yNos*
04:14 Experimentonomen its the flavor that smells like shit, cheese n chilli
04:14 Cprossu ewww
04:14 BatSteve it's...well, it's definitely Arkham Asylum 2
04:14 Cprossu and it's still a potato chip?
04:14 Toastdude Hi BatSteve, bye BatSteve
04:14 BatSteve Everything that was good about Asylum is still there.
04:14 BatSteve hi toast bye toast!
04:15 BatSteve Like the combat and predator sequences.
04:15 Cprossu so basically the same game, they just changed a few letters of the city name?
04:15 * Experimentonomen looks @ Cprossu
04:15 BatSteve ehh...
04:15 tehdark45 O_O Experimentonomen
04:15 BatSteve Maybe.
04:15 BatSteve At heart it's a linear game that tries to be a sandbox.
04:15 BatSteve Like, you can go anywhere in the city.
04:16 BatSteve There's side missions you can do
04:16 BatSteve you can still track down riddler trophies and stuff
04:16 BatSteve But now there's civilians to save, hostages to rescue, etc etc
04:16 BatSteve All separate from the main quest.
04:16 BatSteve But all the missions are the same, the only variation is in the main quest.
04:17 Cprossu ahhh
04:17 * Experimentonomen tries to get wannabe1987 hooked on minecraft
04:17 wannabe1987 wait till zozo gets into town, why dontcha?
04:17 Experimentonomen hehehe
04:18 SarahM-afk i'll be more than happy to get hooked on things when i don't have to pay for them! :P
04:18 SarahM-afk i mean
04:18 SarahM-afk i'd love to pay for the game....i need a paychec first!
04:18 Experimentonomen minecraft is only 15 bucks
04:18 SarahM no...it went up.
04:18 SarahM its like 30 now
04:18 Experimentonomen O_O
04:18 SarahM 30 bucks for a sandbox is a bit steep, no?
04:18 BatSteve Cprossu: So I dunno. Did you play Asylum?  And if so, what did you like about it?
04:19 Experimentonomen well i paid almost 200 bucks for GTA IV
04:19 SarahM llol the .txt says "don't klick me"  so i did...
04:19 Experimentonomen so 30 bucks aint that bad
04:19 SarahM why would you pay 200 for agame?
04:20 Experimentonomen i wanned it
04:20 Cprossu I've been thinking of picking up one or the other BatSteve
04:20 SarahM no, ut when you've never paid for a game until lastnight when you bought gmod....
04:20 Experimentonomen im a GTA nut, have played GTA since the first dos version
04:20 tehdark45 Yes
04:20 tehdark45 Mojang is shit
04:20 tehdark45 lol
04:20 Istas Minecraft is 20 euros. I think 15 would have been a better price. I got it when it was 10.
04:20 BatSteve Well, my advice for you is start with the first one if you decide to get it.
04:21 Experimentonomen tehdark45, watch it, notch may come and poop in your bed and pee in your coffee :P
04:21 BatSteve If you like it, you'll like the second one, and if you don't like it, you're not out as much money.
04:21 Istas 20 euros is currently US$26.47, according to google. Significantly below $30, but not a whole lot.
04:21 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, Notch is no longer in Mojang
04:21 tehdark45 >.<
04:22 Experimentonomen he is, but is no longer the primary coder for minecraft, jeb is now the leader of that
04:22 tehdark45 It is strange
04:23 lwq1996 i hate my brother, hes singing Marylin manson like he knows them
04:23 tehdark45 A Jeb that uses a computer
04:23 tehdark45 lol
04:23 lwq1996 well him
04:23 tehdark45 lwq1996, turn it off
04:23 lwq1996 its on a movie
04:23 tehdark45 simple :P
04:24 tehdark45 turn off the movie
04:24 Experimentonomen lwq1996, short the speaker outputs on his amp and turn up the volume to blow up the output stage ;)
04:24 SarahM one does not simply mess with brothers music/movies
04:25 lwq1996 i dont have a surround system, its built in speakers
04:25 SarahM you musta not had/have siblings, tehdark45
04:25 lwq1996 oh kelly shut up :P[
04:25 SarahM i'm not talking to you
04:25 tehdark45 SarahM, i has sister
04:25 tehdark45 :P
04:25 lwq1996 you said that as a meme
04:25 Experimentonomen i have as brother thats about half my age
04:25 SarahM yes
04:25 SarahM i did
04:25 tehdark45 Experimentonomen, so 5?
04:25 tehdark45 :P
04:26 Experimentonomen 16-17
04:28 lwq1996 i have an older brother and a younger sister
04:28 lwq1996 well a twin sister but im older than her
04:29 tehdark45 oh god
04:29 tehdark45 a younger sister is bad enough
04:29 tehdark45 lol
04:29 lwq1996 lol
04:30 SarahM i have 3 younger siblings....
04:30 SarahM sisters*
04:30 SarahM 4 younger sibs
04:30 tehdark45 So does your mom have trouble telling the difference lwq1996?
04:30 tehdark45 :P
04:31 lwq1996 FUCK YOU -.-
04:31 SarahM tehdark45: do you *have* to causetrouble?
04:31 tehdark45 SarahM, only if it is lee ;)
04:32 lwq1996 bitch tits -.-
04:32 lwq1996 i've been nice all night
04:32 Experimentonomen wannabe1987 sounds kinda young'ish :o
04:32 SarahM what Experimentonomen?
04:33 * Hackbat headbangs
04:33 Hackbat against a wall
04:33 Hackbat @_@
04:33 Experimentonomen Hackbat, now what ?
04:33 tehdark45 Hackbat, :O you're the real hack chris is refers to O_O
04:33 Hackbat Framebuffers
04:33 tehdark45 :P
04:33 SarahM Hackbat: don't do that.  you have a nice head...
04:34 Hackbat which one?
04:34 SarahM the one your eyes are on....or both
04:34 Hackbat no but for reals
04:34 Hackbat Framebuffers man...
04:34 SarahM what is framebuffers?
04:35 Hackbat CLI version of screen resolution
04:35 tehdark45 it stores screen info
04:35 Hackbat yes
04:35 tehdark45 on what to display
04:36 tehdark45 it is like ram for screen
04:36 Hackbat I meant I've been attempting to adjust the size of it
04:36 Hackbat found out my gfx card doesn't put out but like 1 widescreen resolution
04:37 Hackbat so if I want my screen anylarger I'll have to use a 4:3 resolution
04:38 Hackbat 1400:1050 to be exact
04:38 Hackbat default is 720:400 @_@
04:38 Hackbat uber tiny
04:38 tehdark45 Hackbat, how ancient is it O_o
04:38 Hackbat like 3 years old
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04:39 Hackbat it's a driver thing
04:39 Hackbat more than likely
04:39 Hackbat this is like a built in hardware level thing
04:39 Hackbat it's not actually used that much
04:39 Hackbat vbe or something of the sort
04:40 Hackbat FUUUU @_@
04:41 Hackbat I put my wireless dongle for my mouse in my pcoket and lint got into the usb plug
04:43 tehdark45 pfft dongle
04:43 tehdark45 :P
04:45 SarahM ....don't rage!
04:46 SarahM stupid website
04:46 tehdark45 what did the site do SarahM
04:46 SarahM ITS DOWN
04:47 tehdark45 which onw
04:47 lwq-rage lol
04:47 SarahM garrysmod.org
04:47 SarahM http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.garrysmod.org
04:47 BotSteve Title: http://www.garrysmod.org Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
04:48 tehdark45 oh
04:48 tehdark45 he uses that retard cloud host thing
04:48 tehdark45 what are you looking for SarahM
04:48 SarahM ?
04:48 SarahM i have to download a map so i can play
04:48 SarahM i didn't really have time to play tonight anyway...i have to be up at 8
04:48 tehdark45 which one?
04:49 SarahM http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&amp;id=32284
04:49 BotSteve Title: rp_cscdesert_v2-1_propfix.zip Download!
04:49 SarahM I'M HUNGRY why arethere people out there *points to living room*
04:50 tehdark45 SarahM, they are stalking you
04:50 tehdark45 :P
04:50 SarahM could be....i saw a guy i knew driving on the road today :P
04:50 tehdark45 SarahM, can you access gmod.org now?
04:50 SarahM he drives a bmw z4 and is a vet so its pretty easy to find his car....
04:50 SarahM no
04:53 BatSteve Zombies vs Humans, done right.  http://media.mlive.com/kzgazette/entertainment/photo/zombies-vs-humans-abf4242612adb4cd_large.jpg
04:53 SarahM gettingitdone righ tnow
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04:53 SarahM getting it done properly right now*
04:53 SarahM sheesh
04:54 SarahM no, the guns are too bright, the zombies will see them
04:55 astro73|alice darker red and black actually make good night camo
04:56 SarahM mhm
04:56 BatSteve SarahM: Too bright for indoor games maybe.  When you're outdoors for a week with a square mile worth of playfield, it changes some.
04:57 SarahM even too bright for our in the dark outdoor games
04:57 BatSteve How big is the outdoor playfield?
04:57 SarahM its a township park
05:01 astro73|alice you still at cascade?
05:02 BatSteve hmm
05:02 BatSteve maybe you play with different rules than us
05:02 BatSteve How do you win?
05:04 SarahM we were
05:04 SarahM everyone gets to the "helipad" w/o being "eaten" aka tagged
05:06 BatSteve Oh, okay.  How long does one game usually take?
05:08 SarahM 2-3hours
05:08 SarahM depends
05:08 SarahM the indoor ones are shorter due to less people
05:08 SarahM and they end when there are no more humans left
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05:10 BatSteve How do you get 2-3 hours out of "run to the helipad"?
05:10 lwq-rage hmmmm
05:10 BatSteve Seems like that would be a 20-minute game, max.
05:10 lwq-rage botsteve should i go to bed
05:10 BotSteve Definitely
05:10 SarahM first you run around the park....
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05:10 lwq-rage BITCH TITS
05:10 SarahM then in the last half hour dave opens the helipad
05:11 BatSteve Oh, I see.
05:11 Istas Okay, topless pic, as requested  http://tinypic.com/r/k383uc/5
05:11 BotSteve Title: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting
05:11 BatSteve So you can't head straight for the helipad.
05:11 BatSteve Istas: wrong channel.
05:11 Istas Well, that was the wrong window. But still safe for work, heh.
05:11 lwq-rage lol
05:11 Istas How embarassing.
05:11 SarahM right bats
05:11 BatSteve I'm very disappointed in you
05:12 lwq-rage its a milk jub with its cap off :P
05:12 SarahM ....
05:12 SarahM LOL i like it
05:12 SarahM hahahahaa
05:12 lwq-rage hey i can post nudes on here if you want :P
05:12 lwq-rage jk
05:13 lwq-rage i killed chat yay!!!!!
05:13 SarahM 1 minute silent does notakilled chat mean
05:14 Experimentonomen why is Cprossu blowing on his mic ?
05:15 wannabe1987 because its sensitive
05:15 wannabe1987 did you get the reason?
05:15 Experimentonomen ya
05:16 wannabe1987 k
05:16 * wannabe1987 uses kitchen to find food and WINS!
05:16 lwq-rage lol
05:21 * Experimentonomen records stupid noises cuz hes bored
05:22 lwq-rage lol
05:22 wannabe1987 lol
05:22 wannabe1987 i want to hear your voice/accent!
05:22 lwq-rage YOUTUBE
05:22 wannabe1987 appease the wannabe!
05:22 lwq-rage :P
05:22 lwq-rage the wannabe emo?
05:22 wannabe1987 no
05:23 wannabe1987 the wannabe has chocolate milk and cinnamon swirl bread
05:23 KawaiiJess joined #thegeekgroup
05:23 * lwq-rage wants some
05:23 * lwq-rage hugs jess
05:23 BatSteve ....
05:23 BatSteve ::snerk::
05:24 BatSteve KawaiiJess: just before you joined, wannabe said "the wannabe has chocolate milk and cinnamon swirl bread"
05:24 wannabe1987 the wannabe might share.  what have you to trade?
05:24 KawaiiJess I have a temporary ID with a brand new shiny female gender marker on it I could barter
05:24 KawaiiJess :D
05:24 Experimentonomen im gonna run to the monstore when they open and buy some chocolate shit
05:25 wannabe1987 no, you should keep that :D
05:25 Experimentonomen :P
05:25 wannabe1987 for a scrapbook or what not
05:25 KawaiiJess Lol
05:25 BatSteve Congrats!
05:25 KawaiiJess Well I'll have the fancy laminated one in a week or whatever
05:26 KawaiiJess You wouldn't believe how much of a pain in the ass that was, and I don't even live in a state that requires gender reassignment surgery
05:27 wannabe1987 ....
05:27 wannabe1987 the gov't is so weird
05:27 Istas And congrats KawaiiJess.
05:27 Sgt_Lemming grats KawaiiJess
05:28 KawaiiJess The D.O.L had to fax various paperwork to the state capitol so some guy in cubicle land could process the paperwork presumably so they know I'm not a terrorist or something before I was able to get the ID at the D.O.L
05:28 tehdark45 KawaiiJess, Blame the bible banging politicians ;)
05:28 KawaiiJess It took them about a month and we had to send the paperwork twice because they lost it the first time
05:28 wannabe1987 figures
05:28 lwq1996 tehdark you can bang bibleS?
05:29 * Experimentonomen listens to mysic made by a guy who used to be in a irc channel hes in
05:29 tehdark45 yes
05:29 tehdark45 obv
05:29 tehdark45 you didnt know this?
05:29 tehdark45 :P
05:29 Istas They have mass, and a fairly durable flat surface.
05:29 lwq1996 what do you do? just like close your ***** in it and *****
05:31 tehdark45 _-_ lee, sigh
05:31 lwq1996 tehdark45: you must really be lonely if you need to fuck a bible
05:31 lwq1996 i know what you mean and are you upside down :P
05:31 wannabe1987 you two stop it
05:32 wannabe1987 and my chocolate milk was nommy
05:32 tehdark45 lwq1996, it means they are like OMG GOD JESUS MUST LISTEN TO THEM AND MAKE LAWS FOR THEM >.<
05:32 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, why do u wanna hear my voice anywyas ? u've heard it several times in my utoob links :P
05:32 wannabe1987 no, i don't watch you're youtube
05:32 lwq1996 tehdark i know what your getting at
05:32 tehdark45 ok
05:32 tehdark45 sometimes I can't tell
05:32 tehdark45 :P
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05:33 wannabe1987 hi kate!
05:33 tehdark45 I think the meme should be changed to Forever Lee :P
05:34 Istas Hey Katemonster! How's your school going?
05:35 Katemonster oh hello all.
05:35 Katemonster school sucks
05:35 Katemonster i was born with senioritis.
05:35 * lwq1996 hugs kate
05:35 tehdark45 hey KawaiiJess you're just below me lol
05:35 Istas I meant the school you started. Sorry, Avenue Q reference.
05:35 lwq1996 tehdark that sounds wrong
05:35 Katemonster oh, that
05:35 Katemonster yeah
05:35 tehdark45 lol lwq1996
05:35 KawaiiJess Oh hey look
05:35 KawaiiJess It's a Kate
05:35 Katemonster i get to teach kindergartners all about the wonderful things you can do with the internet.
05:36 Katemonster no it isn't.  pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain.
05:36 lwq1996 lol i hate little kids
05:36 tehdark45 Katemonster, do you include memes and 4chan?
05:36 Katemonster yes and no.
05:36 Istas "school for monsters" is appropriate, then.
05:36 lwq1996 haha
05:36 lwq1996 bed time
05:37 Katemonster Istas, i don't think everyone is in on that joke.  Sadly.
05:37 lwq1996 night guys
05:37 tehdark45 Katemonster, but they would love meatspin!
05:37 tehdark45 lol
05:37 Katemonster ...
05:37 Katemonster die in a fire.
05:37 lwq1996 tehdark shut up
05:37 Katemonster Also my nick isn't actually an Avenue Q reference.
05:37 lwq1996 you will scare them for ever
05:37 Istas Ahh, okay. I'll definitely lay off it then.
05:37 Katemonster i was Katemonster long before Ave. Q ever came out.
05:37 Katemonster I'm a Hipster Monster.
05:37 lwq1996 ive never watched that
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05:38 Katemonster lwq, you're not old enough.  i don't think they would let you into the theater.
05:38 cookiemonster hi
05:38 cookiemonster oh yes the would my state doesnt care
05:38 Katemonster hah
05:38 wannabe1987 hi Benty
05:38 Benty hi
05:38 lwq1996 hey they let a 10 year old in there alone
05:38 wannabe1987 how are you?
05:39 lwq1996 hey its a type of car :P
05:39 wannabe1987 no
05:39 Benty fine
05:39 wannabe1987 thats bentLy
05:39 wannabe1987 good.  first time here?
05:39 Benty yes
05:39 BatSteve hi Benty, what's up
05:39 wannabe1987 cool.  how did you find the geek group?
05:39 lwq1996 damnit time for bed i cant read
05:39 wannabe1987 :hugs:  lee its ok.  take care
05:39 Benty use the channel list ...
05:39 tehdark45 lol
05:40 tehdark45 Benty, http://thegeekgroup.org/
05:40 * lwq1996 hugs channel and slaps tehdark45's ass on the way out
05:40 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group
05:40 tehdark45 www.youtube.com/thegeekgroup
05:40 lwq1996 i still didnt get to leave dr_jkl a message :/
05:40 Benty I will go to see it
05:40 tehdark45 lwq1996, O_o
05:41 lwq1996 .seen dr_jkl
05:41 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw dr_jkl 9.50 hours ago at 2012-02-21 20:10:55 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:41:01 UTC
05:41 lwq1996 damnit
05:41 lwq1996 i need to tell her something that they could do to the website
05:41 wannabe1987 use tell!
05:41 tehdark45 Benty, if you like sciencey stuff, put this in your favs
05:41 wannabe1987 lee uses tell and says WIN!
05:41 lwq1996 you know how you look up in the tab and by the name there is a picuture of the website
05:41 wannabe1987 mhm
05:41 Benty it seems interesting
05:41 wannabe1987 we have three circles
05:42 lwq1996 botsteve: tell dr
05:42 lwq1996 DAMNIT
05:42 Benty ...
05:42 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell Benty we have an awesome bot.  he does .cake .cookie .skittles and more!
05:42 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when Benty is around.
05:42 wannabe1987 .skittles Benty
05:42 BotSteve Here you go, Benty, I got you some green skittles!
05:43 tehdark45 .insult
05:43 BotSteve Hey, tehdark45, how many different kinds of stupid are you trying to be?
05:43 lwq1996 botsteve: tell dr_jkl that i got an idea: put a geek group logo next to where the name apears in a tab on a browser, like for facebook there is a thumbnail of an F
05:43 BotSteve lwq1996: I'll pass that on when dr_jkl is around.
05:43 wannabe1987 LOL
05:43 tehdark45 .cake wannabe1987
05:43 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I baked you a white cake!
05:43 wannabe1987 i don't want you making me anything, matT
05:43 lwq1996 .yuno
05:43 BotSteve Internet: Y U NO LET ME STUDY??????????
05:43 astro73|alice it's called a favicon
05:43 lwq1996 .yuno
05:43 BotSteve Cat: Y U NO SPEEK ENGRISH?????????
05:43 tehdark45 .c 125g to lb
05:43 BotSteve 0.275577828 pounds
05:43 lwq1996 .yuno
05:43 BotSteve Weekend: Y U NO LAST LONGER???????????
05:43 wannabe1987 favicon?
05:43 lwq1996 .yuno
05:43 BotSteve College Degree: Y U NO GET ME JOB????????????
05:44 wannabe1987 nifty
05:44 lwq1996 lol i like that one
05:44 lwq1996 im going to bed
05:44 lwq1996 later im beat
05:44 tehdark45 buy lwq1996
05:44 wannabe1987 night
05:44 BatSteve BotSteve: tell dr_jkl so...a favicon then?
05:44 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when dr_jkl is around.
05:44 lwq1996 bye
05:44 Benty bye
05:44 BotSteve benty: I have the following messages for you:
05:44 BotSteve At 05:42Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell benty we have an awesome bot.  he does .cake .cookie .skittles and more!
05:44 wannabe1987 see?  the tell feature.
05:44 wannabe1987 syntax is key tho
05:44 wannabe1987 BotSteve: should i go to bed?
05:44 BotSteve Maybe
05:44 wannabe1987 >.<
05:45 tehdark45 BotSteve, tell tehdark45 HI
05:45 BotSteve You can tell yourself that.
05:45 tehdark45 lol
05:45 wannabe1987 :D
05:45 Benty I will get registered.
05:45 tehdark45 w00t
05:45 BotSteve tehdark45: I have the following messages for you:
05:45 wannabe1987 cool
05:45 BotSteve At 05:45Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell tehdark45 he's an arse
05:46 tehdark45 welcome to insanity Benty
05:46 wannabe1987 this is us when we're not being geeky
05:46 Benty haha,thanks
05:46 wannabe1987 we just pick on each other
05:46 wannabe1987 pick pick pick
05:46 wannabe1987 what country/state are you from, benty?
05:46 tehdark45 Yep :D wannabe1987 you noob :P
05:46 Benty China
05:46 wannabe1987 i am no such thing
05:46 wannabe1987 i've been a member for almost a year
05:46 wannabe1987 cool!
05:46 wannabe1987 what time is it there?
05:46 Benty 13:46
05:46 wannabe1987 or whats your time zone?
05:47 Benty 12:00 to 18:00
05:47 tehdark45 .t china
05:47 BotSteve tehdark45: Sorry, I don't know about the 'china' timezone.
05:47 tehdark45 lol
05:47 wannabe1987 loser
05:47 Benty where you are,it's time to sleep?
05:47 tehdark45 .t EST
05:47 BotSteve Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:47:58 EST
05:48 wannabe1987 its 12:47am
05:48 tehdark45 i am .t PST
05:48 Benty very late,i see
05:48 wannabe1987 i'm in grand rapids, mi, by the lab :D
05:48 tehdark45 .t PST
05:48 BotSteve Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:48:15 PST
05:48 wannabe1987 just a bit, yes
05:48 wannabe1987 i ahve to be up at 8am
05:48 Benty i get up at 11:00 around recently
05:48 tehdark45 imma head home now
05:49 tehdark45 cya guys
05:49 wannabe1987 normally i do....but....i have class at like 9:30-11:30
05:49 Benty ...
05:50 Benty i'm having a long holiday about 7 months,so....
05:50 wannabe1987 learning how to manage finances :D
05:50 Benty cool course
05:51 wannabe1987 yeah a bit
05:51 wannabe1987 been through it once before
05:51 Benty mhm,if you all are tired,just go.i won't mind it.
05:51 Benty haha
05:53 wannabe1987 theres europeans on here somewhere ( Experimentonomen is one) that'll take over possibly
05:53 wannabe1987 and i'm still reading the itnertubes
05:54 Benty itnertubes?
05:55 wannabe1987 intertubes.  i can't spell
05:55 wannabe1987 aka internet
05:55 wannabe1987 blogs
05:55 Benty i see
05:58 Benty bye,i will see the web page carefully.
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05:59 Thermoelectric Be back soon.
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06:17 BatSteve http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=2527#comic
06:17 BotSteve Title: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
06:19 Cheezmo anyone with advanced web design with CSS knowledge in here?
06:19 Istas Not me.
06:19 Cheezmo I'm trying to override an html style with my userContent.css in Firefox
06:20 Cheezmo and wondering if there's a way to do that
06:23 Cheezmo "... !important;" doesn't seem to help
06:29 Druidic_Rifleman whats ever one up to
06:29 Druidic_Rifleman hey dr_jkl
06:30 Istas I'm working on designing a CPU in Minecraft using a mod that makes wiring not a complete pain.
06:33 Istas Came up with a memory design today that's 25% smaller than the previous one I did.
06:33 Istas What are you up to, Druidic_Rifleman?
06:34 Druidic_Rifleman STO
06:36 Istas Star Trek Online, I'm guessing? Because the top result is Statoil stock symbol.
06:36 BatSteve night all.
06:37 Istas Be well BatSteve.
06:48 Druidic_Rifleman yep star trek
06:48 Druidic_Rifleman we have a geekgroup fleet
06:49 Istas Cool.
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06:54 Istas Sleep time for me. Goodnight all.
06:54 tehdark45 bye Istas
06:54 Istas Later tehdark45
07:03 Druidic_Rifleman where when did istas show up from
07:06 tehdark45 earth
07:48 tehdark45 hi Druidic_Rifleman
07:48 Druidic_Rifleman hey
07:53 Druidic_Rifleman ... wants more weapons
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08:02 tehdark45 ahh its is an astro73|alice
08:03 tehdark45 .seen
08:03 BotSteve No user provided!
08:03 tehdark45 lol
08:04 Experimentonomen how old is dru, 35 ? 40 ? 55 ?
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08:10 tehdark45 OLD
08:10 tehdark45 lol
08:27 Experimentonomen and i think tehdark45 is about 10 years old ;)
08:27 tehdark45 Well if you consider 19 10 ;)
08:27 tehdark45 :P
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09:51 Druidic_Rifleman Experimentonomen i am 24
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10:09 Monkeh Druidic_Rifleman: 24 going on 12.
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10:31 Experimentonomen *grumble*
10:38 Thermoelectric What is grumble worthy this time?
10:39 Experimentonomen my computer and connection
10:41 angy punch them
11:08 Hackbat http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/atomictoys/GilbertU238Lab.htm
11:08 BotSteve Title: Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab (1950-1951)
11:08 Hackbat WANT
11:21 HighMan|zZz morning
11:30 * Experimentonomen started working on another poweramp
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11:50 HighMan Hey Zozo
11:55 Druidic_Rifleman morning geeks
11:55 Experimentonomen g'day
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12:02 Experimentonomen g'day y007-nb
12:02 y007-nb ohi
12:02 * Experimentonomen listens to animusic blaring in his headphones
12:09 HighMan|School .c 1.4/493
12:09 BotSteve 0.00283975659
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12:51 * yNos yawns
12:52 * yNos ssttrreettcchh
12:52 angy that's going to crack
12:53 yNos nothing that isnt already.
12:53 angy perfect then
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12:54 yNos did you see today's google graphic?
12:54 angy I'm not a google user (part for youtube)
12:54 yNos It is heinrich hertz' birthday
12:54 angy was mine not that long ago
12:55 yNos really?
12:55 yNos happy bday
12:55 yNos belated
12:55 angy :)
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12:55 Experimentonomen g'day yNos
12:56 yNos g'mornin
12:56 yNos everyone is coming out of the woodworks rightnow
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12:56 Experimentonomen g'day dbshortwave whatever your nick means
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13:02 dbshortwave dick brain with a radio
13:02 Experimentonomen hm
13:02 dbshortwave Hi Experimentonomen
13:03 dbshortwave https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423895_373448609332964_100000034848507_1520494_1729173998_n.jpg
13:04 Experimentonomen hm
13:12 yNos so.. are those stock photos, or did someone make each one with intentional similarities?
13:15 yNos angy: what does "Mondiale" translate to in engrish?
13:27 dbshortwave not sure
13:27 dbshortwave maybe a stock photo
13:30 angy yNos: in which context?
13:31 angy I would translate it something close to global/wordlwide
13:31 yNos Digital Radio Mondiale
13:31 yNos Ok
13:31 yNos google translated it to worl
13:32 yNos world
13:32 angy it's more close to global
13:32 angy global digital radio would be the best english translation
13:38 yNos i have heard about DRM, but never used it..
13:39 yNos i may have to give it a try sometime
13:39 angy I heard a lot about digital rights managment :p
13:39 yNos i have used that :(
13:49 Sgt_Lemming DRM == Doesn't Really Matter
13:49 Sgt_Lemming as it doesn't really stop anyone :-P
13:51 yNos I hate explainations of the ionopheric layers using nice arcs or spheres...
13:51 yNos its not.
13:52 yNos its choppy, with mountains and valley
13:56 yNos and nothing. lots of nothing.
14:00 Sgt_Lemming well, kinda cool one
14:00 Sgt_Lemming rang the place in the UK I bought my pedals from
14:01 Sgt_Lemming and because they don't match the site or manufacturers description they are arranging a courier to pick them up at not cost to me
14:01 Sgt_Lemming no*
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14:10 Experimentonomen g'day lisa
14:11 hhrlisa Howdy!
14:18 * BitViper|Pain yawns, stretches, farts
14:19 * Sgt_Lemming seals BitViper|Pain in a plastic ball
14:19 BitViper|Pain too late LOL
14:21 Experimentonomen fartviper :P
14:21 BitViper|Pain at least im not cory
14:22 BitViper|Pain could have been worse, could have just hung up my dirty socks
14:22 Experimentonomen cory never farts :P
14:22 slewfoot no need for a plastic ball - just lock him in a car.
14:23 slewfoot or - get a can of Ozium!
14:23 Sgt_Lemming plastic ball has NO ventillation, car he can wind the window down
14:24 BitViper|Pain just need a match
14:24 * Sgt_Lemming notes the ball is made of inch thick polycarbonate
14:24 Sgt_Lemming it's not gonna break in a hurry
14:25 BitViper|Pain oh crap, i hope i dont sneeze in here, that'll hurt
14:25 Sgt_Lemming brb
14:26 slewfoot depends on the toxicity of the fart...
14:27 BitViper|Pain Slewfo0t : usually not very
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14:30 Sgt_Lemming yay, hopefully that fixes the damned shared files issue I have been having
14:40 hhrlisa i hate it when there is nothing on tv
14:40 BitViper|Pain isnt that 100% of the time ?
14:40 hhrlisa usually i can atleast find something remotely interesting to watch
14:40 Sgt_Lemming I can't remember the last time I sat down to watch something that wasn't on my file server :-P
14:41 Sgt_Lemming tis what happens when you have 4TB of video (and climbing)
14:41 BitViper|Pain Sgt_Lemming : youre only about 1 tb ahead of me
14:41 * n1mjf 8tb and climbing
14:42 Experimentonomen i only have a few GB of video O_O
14:42 Sgt_Lemming n1mjf I guarantee your collection is not as well organized as mine :-P
14:42 n1mjf maybe...maybe not. ;-)
14:42 Sgt_Lemming keeping 4TB of video sorted and named is bad enough
14:43 n1mjf I do it by year
14:43 Sgt_Lemming nah, mines sorted by series then season for tv episodes
14:43 BitViper|Pain Sgt_Lemming : same here
14:43 Sgt_Lemming and movies are "name - version (quality)
14:44 Experimentonomen i just leave my downloads whereever the dl proggy put them
14:44 n1mjf oh. I was talking about movies...home movies ;-)
14:44 Sgt_Lemming by version I mean like directors cut or extended version
14:44 n1mjf lol
14:45 BitViper|Pain i have home movies, dvd backups, tv episodes (the only way i can watch, since i get only 2 channels here)
14:45 Sgt_Lemming we often have to wait 6 - 12 months to see tv series here
14:45 Sgt_Lemming if we get them at all
14:45 Sgt_Lemming and the paytv is RETARDED
14:46 Experimentonomen 75% ads, 35% shows :/
14:46 Sgt_Lemming like $50 a month minimum, and that includes a lot of crappy channels
14:46 Sgt_Lemming to get the good channels is extra on top of that
14:46 Experimentonomen i got rid of my paytv stuff and saved 15 bucks a month
14:51 n1mjf just run POE cat5
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14:53 Experimentonomen g'day pocki
14:53 egrsteve morning
14:54 Experimentonomen g'day egrsteve
14:54 angy .cookie egrsteve
14:54 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a white chocolate mocha cookie!
14:54 egrsteve hmm, class in 5 then break / lunch at 11
14:54 egrsteve YA cookie
14:55 Experimentonomen egrsteve, how many years of school do u have left, 5 ? 10 ?
14:55 egrsteve too many
14:55 Experimentonomen quit quit quit quit ;)
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14:56 egrsteve time for class ttyl
14:56 Experimentonomen cya
14:56 * angy fondles Seroster
14:56 Seroster eep
14:57 Experimentonomen hm
14:57 Seroster sinep?
14:59 * Experimentonomen wonders if angy and Seroster have ever met irl
15:00 Seroster That is how you were made, son!
15:01 Experimentonomen angy is a girl! :P
15:05 pockitaru lol well yeah lol
15:06 * Experimentonomen looks @ pocki
15:08 pockitaru its easy to tell if some one is a boy or girl on a chat group
15:08 pockitaru lol
15:08 pockitaru you just have to pay atention to the way they talk
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15:21 angy damn, I crashed my irc client ><
15:22 BitViper|Pain thats what happens when you fondle Seroster
15:22 angy got too excited by that one maybe
15:25 angy why did I did a dG when scrolling the config file
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15:35 angy it may now work
15:39 yNos <-- going to hell
15:39 yNos http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Bluntasaurus-Rex/The%2520Phenomal%2520Power%2520of%2520The%2520Perpandicular%2520Pupil/Mexicans_and_Sharpies.jpg
15:40 BotSteve Title: Recent image by Bluntasaurus-Rex on Photobucket
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15:42 yNos do have to admit.. some of the sharpie cars are supremely badass..
15:42 yNos http://blog.shoplet.com/office-fashion/sharpie-art-cars-and-bikes-make-you-want-to-draw-on-your-transportation/
15:42 BotSteve Title: sharpie art cars and bikes make you want to draw on your transportation | Shoplet Office Supplies Blog
15:44 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/ofIR5 <-- anyone wants one of these ? for 75 bucks i'll ship it anywhere in the world
15:44 BotSteve Title: RbSTD - Imgur
15:45 Experimentonomen i've tested it and it works 100%
15:46 yNos hells bells, son
15:46 Experimentonomen i was gonna make a programmable sinewave generator outta it controllable from 1Hz to 10MHz but dont feel like trying to desypher the I2C comms for the dds ic inside
15:46 yNos what freq does it output?
15:47 yNos programmable?
15:47 yNos ah
15:47 Experimentonomen 10MHz sine wave is stock
15:47 hhrlisa HI
15:47 Experimentonomen .cookie hhrlisa
15:47 BotSteve Here you go, hhrlisa, I baked you a double chocolate cookie!
15:48 yNos want!
15:48 hhrlisa mmmm gookie
15:48 hhrlisa cookiE*
15:48 yNos cannot afford right now though :(
15:48 angy cookies are my tonight thing to do
15:48 yNos sounds messy!
15:48 Experimentonomen yNos, i just bought 20 10mm long M3 threaded standoffs for the 8 bucks i had left in my account
15:49 angy not /that/ type of cookies
15:50 yNos i cant do that.. i need to save what i have for a while..
15:52 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/AhA3g <-- i also have one of these, new these retail for around 1000 bucks or so, mine needs a new pump diode in a CT-Mount formfactor so its current value wont be very high, but the optics and peltier coolers in it should still be of some use
15:52 BotSteve Title: DPSS Laser - Imgur
15:52 Experimentonomen i'll ship it anywhere in the world for 150 bucks
15:54 yNos Experimentonomen: i just passed it on to kidwell to see if he wants it.
15:55 Experimentonomen yNos, i cannot sell it to TGG
15:55 yNos the time std that is.
15:55 yNos no?
15:55 yNos why?
15:55 MoxieMike what?
15:55 Experimentonomen i doubt chris and kidwell would pay for something that should have been donated
15:56 yNos a freq standard would be usefull for kidwell's other business ;)
15:56 yNos not just for tgg
15:57 Experimentonomen he likely already have a pile of these since u can get them on ebay for 45 bucks + shipping
15:58 yNos really?
15:58 yNos oh
15:58 yNos i thought they were in the $150 range..
15:58 yNos at least they were when i looked at one last.. 5+ years ago
15:58 Experimentonomen the price is plummeting
15:58 yNos guess so.
15:59 Experimentonomen http://www.ebay.com/itm/260926181122?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&amp;_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_4024wt_1163 <-- 60 bucks free ship from china
15:59 BotSteve Title: eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices
15:59 egrsteve hello
16:00 yNos hey there
16:00 Experimentonomen wb egrsteve
16:00 angy .cookie egrsteve
16:00 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you an almond cookie!
16:00 egrsteve thanks
16:00 yNos busy tonight, egrsteve?
16:00 egrsteve lab around 6
16:01 yNos Ok
16:01 yNos have you had a chance to test the bending rig?
16:02 egrsteve not yet
16:02 yNos Oh, and i played with VOAprop last night.. pretty cool app. would def recommend when you play with HF.
16:03 yNos not sure if there is a mac version of it though...
16:03 egrsteve thats what CMs are for
16:03 egrsteve *VMs
16:03 Experimentonomen btw yNos, what kinda weird freq is 63.8976MHz ?
16:04 Experimentonomen anyways that vectron oven stabilized xtal oscillator module should have some value on its own too
16:04 Experimentonomen i have no use for it
16:05 Experimentonomen maybe egrsteve might have a use for a freq that high ?
16:05 yNos a 10mhz - if would put that in a ham band..
16:05 egrsteve not curently
16:06 Experimentonomen highest i ever done was 2MHz
16:07 Experimentonomen that rubidium thing was right at the upper limit of what my scope can do
16:07 yNos is the 63.8976MHz freq what an oven puts out?
16:07 yNos or is that just what a vfo is set to?
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16:07 Experimentonomen its a crystal oscillator can that uses a heater inside to stabilize it to make it more accurate
16:08 Experimentonomen over time
16:08 yNos http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6282184.html
16:08 BotSteve Title: Common digitizing rate for multiple air interfaces for generic cell sites in cellular radio - Nortel Networks Limited
16:09 yNos According to the above dividend, the TDMA rate change is obtained by decimating the incoming composite signal received from the RF front end receive section 30 at the common digitizing rate of (52*fc) or 63.8976 MHz by a factor of (26* 8*2) followed by a rational rate conversion of (81/256).
16:11 Experimentonomen hm
16:11 tonsofpcs erm...
16:12 Experimentonomen so yNos is a rf guy pretending to be a it nerd
16:12 tonsofpcs "TDMA" cellphone, I take it?
16:12 tonsofpcs and is that frequency valid for all TDMA cell (GSM notwithstanding) or just one implementation?
16:13 tonsofpcs I mean, a T1 is TDM... I have a TDM network with 5 'access points' here (it's a wired network but I can't think of a better way to describe them without going into excruciating detail)
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16:15 BitViper|Pain Experimentonomen : i think ynos is both of those and more
16:15 * Experimentonomen is a AF jerk :P
16:16 wannabe1987 ...
16:16 wannabe1987 im back
16:16 angy morning then
16:16 Experimentonomen g'day miss wannabe1987
16:16 Experimentonomen .cookie wannabe1987
16:16 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I baked you a molasses cookie!
16:16 wannabe1987 i just had a cupcake, but thanks
16:16 wannabe1987 .seen tehdark45
16:16 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw tehdark45 7.82 hours ago at 2012-02-22 08:27:30 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 16:16:44 UTC
16:17 wannabe1987 BotSteve: ask tehdark45 why he gave wannabe a link to a map for gmod.....all that stuff is on sarah!
16:17 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when tehdark45 is around.
16:17 tonsofpcs anyway, as for "what kinda weird frequency is 63.8976 MHz", it's a relatively common trick to create time-domain guarding to take a base frequency (probably 64 or 65 MHz here) and multiply it by some factor to give a bit of spacing.  NTSC TV added color between the lines by multiplying the base rate by 1000/1001  (30*1000/1001 = 29.970029970029970029...) which was within tolerance for legacy gear to still work but gave just eno
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16:17 Experimentonomen hm
16:18 tonsofpcs 0.9984 being that factor.
16:18 wannabe1987 hi Electricguy!
16:18 Experimentonomen i hate RF, its so confusing :/
16:18 tonsofpcs (I'm sure there's some better fractional way to show it that TDMA folks know, but that's what simple math says)
16:18 Electricguy hi hi
16:18 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: well, that's not really an "RF" thing so much as a signaling thing.
16:18 wannabe1987 hows you?
16:18 tonsofpcs hi Electricguy
16:18 Electricguy i'm tired.. XD otherwise good
16:19 tonsofpcs hi SarahMKellyWannabeThe87th
16:19 Experimentonomen tonsofpcs, RF is everything above the audio band :P
16:19 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: I know some microwave engineers that consider my UHF stuff to be DC :-p
16:20 Experimentonomen tonsofpcs, tell them to put that bong away ;)
16:20 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: well, when you're dealing with 13GHz, a few hundred MHz looks like DC.
16:20 Electricguy i got a new MAX232 today. gonna test the serial link now
16:20 tonsofpcs just like when you're working with light switches, anything over about 1kHz looks like RF
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16:21 tonsofpcs but yea, just imagine that 63.whatever to be 63.whatever Hz instead of MHz, the same theory applies, it just isn't running by as fast :)
16:21 yNos back..
16:21 tonsofpcs you need that extra time in between to allow for transitions.
16:21 tonsofpcs wb
16:22 yNos that is the timing standard for the cellphones switching.
16:22 yNos .w tdma
16:22 BotSteve "Time division multiple access (TDMA) is a channel access method for shared medium networks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_division_multiple_access
16:22 yNos yes, it is tdm..
16:22 Experimentonomen theres no place like 20Hz to 20kHz :P
16:22 tonsofpcs yes, TDM(A) is all the same thing, only cell companies decided "oh, we'll just say that cellular TDMA is TDMA and not give it another name so we confuse everyone"
16:23 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: right, but you need to have a pass of 50kHz or more in order to not create phasing issues ;)
16:23 yNos it is tdm at its core.
16:23 Experimentonomen my amps are flat to 1MHz
16:23 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: my amps are flat to the ground ;)
16:24 Experimentonomen but the output starts looking like a triangular wave around 250-500kHz
16:24 tonsofpcs looking like? how so?
16:24 yNos my amps have to be tweaked when i change bands, but have a great Q factor
16:24 tonsofpcs oh, you'll be happy to know that MS issued a patch to fix their SRC
16:25 Experimentonomen and phase shift at 20kHz is 0.5-1 degree
16:25 angy time to go, see ya!
16:26 yNos later angy
16:28 yNos yay, 28 mhz is open to yrop!
16:31 * tonsofpcs still needs a ticket
16:32 BitViper|Pain tonsofpcs : so what ya waiting for
16:32 tonsofpcs http://www.indexcom.com/tech/WindowsAudioSRC/ if you're bored :)
16:32 BotSteve Title: Microsoft Windows Audio SRC Performance
16:34 tonsofpcs BitViper|Pain: a testing opportunity....
16:35 BitViper|Pain dunno where you are, but almost anywhere in the us you can find a testing session at least once a month
16:35 Seroster Damn it
16:36 tonsofpcs closest semi-regular one is between 1 hour and 2 hours away (they move it around between firehouses)
16:36 BitViper|Pain both times i tested (initial licence, then upgrade) was in Grand Rapids, 90 minutes away from me.
16:38 tonsofpcs when I first got interested in testing, I was living 10 miles west of NYC.  There was one that was basically right at the end of the work day in Yonkers every other week and there was one that was at 4AM every other month.  Neither was going to happen.
16:38 BitViper lol, just cant win eh LOL I know the feeling
16:40 tonsofpcs I was once at a table with someone wondering why there weren't that many younger hams around.  I told him this and he was like "wtf? no wonder.  They can make the test writing your name down on a piece of paper (or something like that) but it doesn't matter if they don't offer the tests at a reasonable place/time"
16:40 BitViper yeah
16:40 yNos .wx tgg
16:40 BotSteve Cloudy, 39.2℉ (4℃), 29.51in (996mb), Moderate breeze 11kt (↑) - KGRR 15:53Z
16:40 yNos I want to do a class/test at tgg
16:40 tonsofpcs I mean, I lived in an area with 4000 people per square mile....
16:41 yNos I think we have 4 hams that are generals..
16:41 BitViper yNos : that'd be cool if we could set up a monthly sesson at tgg with schedule 2 weeks offset from the ones over at the RedCross, that'd give the entire area access to testing twice a month
16:42 yNos if not, we need to pressure boden to get it.
16:42 BitViper yNos, im extra, if i can get moved down there, and we're working on that
16:42 slewfoot geez - how many hams does TGG have?
16:42 tonsofpcs that's about the same population density as GR... except it wasn't a city.  that's the county average, I grew up in what I consider a small town...  (Kent County is 264 people per square mile)
16:42 BitViper slewf0ot : more than a few
16:43 yNos egrsteve slewfoot BitViper yNos
16:43 slewfoot I guess. <--- KD8OQH
16:43 yNos as locals..
16:43 yNos oh, and boden
16:43 tonsofpcs slewfoot: 50% or better I'd say overall
16:43 yNos not that high
16:43 slewfoot wow, that's just nuts
16:43 tonsofpcs yNos: counting the IRC and forum folks, not the locals.
16:44 tonsofpcs the rhode island state flag showed up with 5 or 6 call signs written on it
16:44 BitViper i dont think 50%, but id bet 20% easy
16:44 * tonsofpcs isn't an amateur radio operator
16:44 * tonsofpcs is a professional radio operator
16:44 BitViper lol
16:46 BitViper i am definitly in the amateur category, despite 15+ years of licence ... lack of equipment, and restricted antenna possibilities
16:46 yNos tonsofpcs: i've met pros that dont know what lengths work best for an antenna w/o an atu... so being a pro doesnt mean much in my book.
16:46 tonsofpcs from my desk, with a bit of effort, I can control 50kW ERP of ATSC and about 16.5kW ERP of FM.  Add in the telephone remotes and those both go up quite a bit
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16:46 tonsofpcs yNos: "pro" == I get paid for it.
16:46 Experimentonomen wb lisa
16:46 hhrlisa ty
16:46 tonsofpcs yNos: mind you, RF is secondary for me, I'm a video/baseband guy.
16:47 yNos 11:44  * tonsofpcs is a professional radio operator
16:47 hhrlisa I'm a professional. I get paid to be awesome.
16:47 wannabe1987 duh
16:47 tonsofpcs yes, I get paid for it.  Note:  We don't use ATUs for FM or TV.
16:47 yNos and sometimes i get paid to poop.
16:48 yNos i could be a professional pooper!
16:48 hhrlisa I get paid to take naps and troll people on the internet
16:48 yNos lol
16:48 tonsofpcs and I've never played with an AM :(  [part of the reason I want a ham ticket is to play with such things]
16:48 Experimentonomen yNos, your shit is someone elses gold :P
16:48 BitViper i like lisa's job, and it wouldnt bother my back either
16:48 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: not really, but they paid for it like it is :-p
16:48 yNos lol
16:48 yNos :D
16:48 wannabe1987 hi BitViper
16:49 Experimentonomen wutz lisa's job ?
16:49 tonsofpcs yNos: yea, we do some things that hams would balk at and hams do some things that make us shake our heads and facepalm. ;)
16:49 * BitViper waves to wannabe1987
16:49 BitViper [11:48] <hhrlisa> I get paid to take naps and troll people on the internet
16:49 wannabe1987 how are you doing today?
16:49 yNos tonsofpcs: there are things that hams do that i facepalm at.
16:49 hhrlisa lol i work third shift at a hotel. lots of down time
16:49 BitViper wannabe1987 : same old same old =(
16:49 wannabe1987 :/
16:49 yNos "But it works"
16:49 tonsofpcs yNos: yea.  Exactly!
16:50 tonsofpcs mind you, I do some network things that you would facepalm at.
16:50 BitViper yNos : thats what being a ham means, doing things that make everyone facepalm :)
16:50 tonsofpcs I also have more subnets and addresses for a 30-some employee company than most large enterprises....
16:50 BitViper tonsofpcs : ha, when i first got internet here the installer guy went to plug their modem into my routers, took one look at my wiring, and handed me the cable with a really strange look :) :)
16:51 tonsofpcs BitViper: I thought it just meant that you did everything in a non-kosher way ;)
16:51 wannabe1987 lol
16:51 egrsteve isn't great when the cable guy doesn't know where to start and admits it
16:52 tonsofpcs egrsteve: speaking of issues with the CMTS....
16:52 BitViper tonsofpcs : his issue ... I had (intentionally) the wan of one of my 3 routers plugged into one of the lan ports of the same router with a short jumper
16:52 Sgt_Lemming I love it in a strategy game when you are just constantly holding the AI off, but then manage to overcome and rort them
16:52 tonsofpcs It took me 4 weeks to get someone to admit the problem last time and it suddenly solved itself one day between when the tech had visited in the morning and when he came back.... it's back.
16:52 BitViper tonsofpcs : at that time, i redefined non-kosher :)
16:52 Sgt_Lemming so nice to get the little bit back
16:53 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7LCQtBjZCY <-- that was my job for the last few weeks i had an amployment
16:53 BotSteve Title: Cubism - YouTube
16:53 Experimentonomen :P
16:53 tonsofpcs BitViper: erm.... why did you do that?
16:53 * wannabe1987 waits for steam to start working
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16:54 BitViper tonsofpcs : the router was custom programmed to split the lan ports into separate lans, or in this case, a lan and an extra wan, esentially making this router into two routers
16:54 tonsofpcs you couldn't internally connect the two? you had to waste two ports?
16:55 BitViper tonsofpcs : could have, but the point was to separate then to do some filtering in between
16:55 wannabe1987 yay!  10 min later steam loaded!
16:55 * Experimentonomen listens to kevin macleod
16:56 BitViper this was 8 years ago, i dont really remember what all i did with that mess back then
16:56 Sgt_Lemming yeah
16:57 Sgt_Lemming just playing some C&C Generals Zero Hour
16:57 Sgt_Lemming playing as USA against USA - Airforce General Hard AI
16:57 Sgt_Lemming fscking stealth commanches man >_<
16:57 Sgt_Lemming they were pissing me off
16:58 Sgt_Lemming but I finally showed the fscker, 50 humvees with drones above each one, and 5 rocket soldiers in each one :-D
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16:58 Sgt_Lemming WALL'O'ROCKETS! poor fscker didn't know hat had hit em
16:59 BitViper lol, all he has time for is "oh shit"
16:59 Sgt_Lemming yup
16:59 Sgt_Lemming considering each humvee has a TOW launcher on it, and there are 5 rocket soldiers in each one
17:00 BitViper plus the drone
17:00 Sgt_Lemming it's like "click *FWOOSH*" and 300 rockets are flying at the target
17:00 Sgt_Lemming drone has a machine gun and pretty much only engages infantry
17:00 BitViper ah
17:01 Sgt_Lemming oh, I did have I think 5 humvees full of snipers as well
17:02 BitViper pick off the leftovers eh
17:02 * Sgt_Lemming nods
17:02 Sgt_Lemming or more so drop any other rocket troopers before they are in range
17:02 BitViper i played a little C&C some years back, i dont remember which one though
17:03 Experimentonomen i tried a demo version of KKND many many many many many years ago
17:03 BitViper looks like was generals and zh
17:05 Sgt_Lemming that's going back just a little while Experimentonomen
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17:05 Experimentonomen i cant have been older than 15, i dont think i even  had internet back then
17:06 wannabe1987 hi electricguy_
17:06 wannabe1987 Electronics*
17:06 Electronics heya
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17:07 dbshortwave|afk https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315940_171485096258874_126894987384552_363429_7012314_n.jpg
17:10 BitViper db|thinkin : dont hurt yourself :)
17:10 wannabe1987 lol
17:11 Experimentonomen hm
17:11 db|thinkin im not a macintosh
17:11 * Experimentonomen is starting to feel like hes fighting to stay awake :/
17:11 wannabe1987 ubuntu for android?!
17:11 wannabe1987 http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
17:11 BotSteve Title: Ubuntu for Android | Ubuntu
17:12 db|thinkin ive got to finger out..... a shutter motor ... the one that goes in that spot is friggin 200.00
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17:13 yNos lol
17:13 BitViper wannabe1987 have you heard back yet ?
17:14 wannabe1987 no.
17:14 wannabe1987 i should call again
17:16 wannabe1987 it took 20 minutes for my computer to lad up steam and gmod....
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17:16 wannabe1987 and Cprossu says theres nothing that can be done to speed up the computer other than giving me another computer tats better
17:17 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, my computer sucks more
17:17 BitViper wannabe1987 : what are you running, a 486 ? or was steam doing updates ?
17:18 wannabe1987 neither
17:18 wannabe1987 i just added a ton of maps/addons, but thats my computer for ya!
17:18 wannabe1987 and no, its NOT on the netbook
17:18 wannabe1987 its on my dell laptop running xp
17:19 Cprossu +morning wannabe1987
17:19 wannabe1987 hi
17:20 yNos gmornin Cprossu
17:21 Cprossu BitViper: she's running a pentium m 1.86 w/ a radeon x600
17:22 BitViper Cprossu : that explains a lot
17:22 wannabe1987 i told you it was my computer!
17:22 Experimentonomen Cprossu, still better than my piece of shit
17:23 yNos http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/21/forget-ssds-here-comes-reram/
17:23 BitViper my computer would be a lot better if i had a 64 bit os on it
17:23 BotSteve Title: Forget SSDs, here comes ReRAM | PC Gamer
17:23 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/6gwjb.png
17:24 Cprossu what graphics @ Experimentonomen?
17:24 wannabe1987 .in 60min call sam
17:24 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 18:24Z
17:24 Experimentonomen Cprossu, dunno, the sticker is worn blank
17:25 Cprossu go in device manager and look
17:25 Cprossu Embedded ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200
17:25 Cprossu ouch.
17:26 Cprossu it's bad when you go to asus's website and you see "The ASUS K51AE notebook is designed to provide a no-frills mobile computing experience"
17:26 Cprossu 64bit os ain't gonna help you with that one.
17:26 Experimentonomen i think mines the k70 one
17:27 Cprossu if so you have much better graphics
17:27 Experimentonomen its the mobility 4200
17:27 Cprossu then you have the k51AE
17:28 Cprossu unless you have a driver conflict
17:28 Cprossu is the label on the bottom worn off?
17:28 Experimentonomen it sez K70A on the sticker about input voltage and such
17:29 BitViper Cprossu : a 64 bit will help me cuz i have 8g ram in the machine but cant use it with 32 bit winblows
17:29 Cprossu ahhh.
17:30 Cprossu I blurred you and Experimentonomen together
17:30 Cprossu for some reason
17:30 Cprossu (just woke up)
17:30 BitViper eeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkk
17:30 Cprossu I thought he had said a 64bit os would help him
17:30 Cprossu then posted his screenshot
17:31 BitViper yea i have decent computer, quad core 2.2 ghz phenom, but need ram
17:31 BitViper or rather, need to be able to use the ram i have
17:31 Cprossu ahhh ok.
17:31 BitViper a modern video card wouldnt hurt either
17:31 Cprossu happily ignore all that bullshit earlier @ Experimentonomen
17:33 * Experimentonomen yells "SHUT THE F UP!!" to a zombie noaning in his ear
17:35 Experimentonomen Cprossu, u have 5GHz cpu and 64GB or more ram eh
17:35 Cprossu hell no
17:35 Cprossu that would mean me having an inefficient processor
17:35 Cprossu though I could do with a bit of extra ram
17:36 Experimentonomen my cpu runs so hot it burns my right leg
17:36 * wannabe1987 cant see any menus in gmod, but is figuring out how to move around. tis fun :P i went swimmin
17:36 Experimentonomen air comin out is around 150deg C
17:36 wannabe1987 i have a book under my computer for that reason, Experimentonomen
17:36 Experimentonomen and thats on a good day
17:36 Cprossu lol wannabe1987
17:36 Cprossu are you on the teamspeak?
17:40 wannabe1987 always
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17:40 wannabe1987 hi mashpriborintorg
17:40 mashpriborintorg hi
17:42 mashpriborintorg seems very quiet down here
17:42 wannabe1987 a bit
17:43 Istas Experimentonomen, what cpu do you have?
17:44 mashpriborintorg I'm cleaning a broadcast zoom that I got for 30 euros, it is worth 450 euros in second hand used condition :p
17:45 Experimentonomen Istas, check my posts above
17:47 Istas 150 C seems hotter than anything any regular pc or laptop could put up with
17:50 Cprossu I highly doubt the air coming out of your laptop is 150c
17:50 Cprossu if the die is running that hot though you should clean out the fan/heatsink
17:51 Cprossu and if that don't help you need some thermal compound
17:51 BotSteve In the last hour, there have been 1 new YouTube videos posted by TheGeekGroup.  New videos: Geek Group & Haas Partnership Announcement[6.75 min] http://youtu.be/zdmLWrGCcxM
17:51 Cprossu but if the air is 150c then your knee should be melted.
17:52 Experimentonomen i should replace the stock uselessly weak blower with a 240CFM 6" diameter fan that needs 2A at 12V to reach full speed
17:53 Cprossu Experimentonomen I think you are overexaggerating
17:53 Cprossu (on the heat provided by your laptop's cpu)
17:56 Cprossu wannabe1987
17:56 Cprossu you made it on the video
17:56 Cprossu lol
17:56 wannabe1987 how?
17:56 Cprossu "I spilled it on a burner" "it burned"
17:57 wannabe1987 nice
17:59 wannabe1987 thanks Experimentonomen
17:59 wannabe1987 i think.....
17:59 Experimentonomen ?
17:59 wannabe1987 i'm only 24....how do you expect me to sound?!
18:00 * Experimentonomen is nothing but a rude asshole that should be on /ignore :P
18:01 wannabe1987 nah.  i still wanna know how you sound!
18:02 Experimentonomen hm
18:02 HighMan|School Hey!
18:02 HighMan|School Back...
18:03 HighMan Cprossu: Or someone... Can you compress 7gb in to about 1gb or less?
18:03 Istas I think it would depend on the file(s) in question.
18:04 HighMan It's all the windows 7, xp and vista updates
18:04 HighMan x64 and x86
18:06 Cprossu depends fully upon the data HighMan
18:06 Istas I mean, it would depend on the contents of the files.
18:06 HighMan Derp
18:06 HighMan Uh..
18:06 Cprossu if you have a text file that's 99.9% blank spaces I'd say it's possible to compress your 7gb file to 1kb or less =P
18:06 HighMan I tried using 7z and it decompressed it 1 gb...
18:07 HighMan It's all just exe files lol idk
18:07 HighMan A generic way?
18:07 * Experimentonomen eats chocolate
18:07 wannabe1987 nom!
18:07 * Cprossu will too, *goes to fridge*
18:07 BitViper 7z is about the best there is out there
18:07 * BitViper is already eating
18:07 * HighMan Going to be eating xD
18:08 * BitViper is just slurping tomato soup =(
18:08 HighMan BitViper: Well... Dam it!
18:08 HighMan Hm... I could compress it like 7 more times?
18:08 wannabe1987 i have veggie straws!
18:08 BitViper HighMan : nope
18:08 HighMan BitViper: why?
18:09 Istas If 7zip only got it down to 6GB, I think you'd need a miracle to get it down to 1.
18:09 HighMan ...Derp
18:09 HighMan I can't like compress a 7z file to make it smaller?
18:09 Istas HighMan: Data is data. It's information. You can only compress it so much before you start losing data.
18:09 BitViper once compressed its compressed, sorta like stepping on a pop can, stepping on it again doesnt help much
18:09 Experimentonomen and non alcoholic pear cider
18:09 HighMan Ok...
18:09 * HighMan Needs a 32gb flashdrive or 16gb
18:10 HighMan This sucks so bad! I need it just incase some ass forgets to update their computer... It halves the time easily.
18:10 Istas With pictures and audio, losing a bit of data can be okay because you can still make out the image, or hear the song. With actual programs and system files that's not an option.
18:10 HighMan Ok thanks Istas, BitViper and Cprossu
18:10 Istas Get a bigger flash drive then, they're not expensive.
18:11 BitViper Istas : i dont know, losing parts of microsoft's code might improve things
18:11 HighMan BitViper: Are you trying to say it's bad already? xD
18:11 Istas BitViper: I think that only applies at 100% level.
18:11 BitViper HighMan, Istas LOL
18:11 HighMan Haha
18:11 Seroster HA!
18:11 HighMan Hey Seroster!
18:11 Seroster How often do you get to buy milk that expires on the 29th of february?
18:11 Experimentonomen btw wannabe1987, who is VoiceBridge ?
18:11 HighMan Did it take you a day to drill through that atom thick peice of iron?
18:11 HighMan Seroster: ?
18:12 BitViper Seroster : every 4 years
18:12 wannabe1987 a bunch of people on a different server.
18:12 HighMan It's a week? I don't get it
18:12 * HighMan Facepalsm
18:12 HighMan *Facepalms
18:12 HighMan Leap year damm it lol
18:12 Experimentonomen hm
18:13 Seroster BitViper, No shit, but how often do you actually buy milk that expires the 29th? - I buy milk once or twice per week, that means that I miss out on at least 200 expiration dates a year, so most likely it will be like every 12 years or so
18:13 HighMan xD
18:13 HighMan It's even luckier if it's a mis pring
18:13 HighMan *misprint
18:13 HighMan Or maybe not...
18:14 BitViper Seroster : true enough, but your question was "how often do you GET to" not "how often DO you"
18:14 BitViper =P
18:14 Seroster /kick BitViper Aspie alert ;P
18:14 BitViper ha
18:14 HighMan lol
18:14 BitViper i buy around 6 gal of milk a week, so ...
18:14 wannabe1987 do you drink anything else?
18:15 HighMan ... 6 bottles of milk Da freak
18:15 Experimentonomen i never drink milk, tastes horrible
18:15 Seroster Experimentonomen, You milked the wrong animal, dude.
18:15 mashpriborintorg oh god, me alsi, hate milk
18:15 BitViper wannabe1987 : not often, koolaid in the summer. juice when i think about buying it, then i'll drink a couple gal of that a week too
18:15 mashpriborintorg burned my mouth with milk when I was a kid
18:15 Istas Seroster: He got the animal right, but the gender wrong.
18:15 Seroster mashpriborintorg, you also milked the wrong animal
18:15 wannabe1987 ahhh.  yay for fs!
18:16 HighMan Seroster: xD
18:16 HighMan I don't like whole milk
18:16 HighMan Like plain od milk
18:16 BitViper i prefer 2% or whole, skim or half SUCKS
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18:17 BitViper might as well put some white paint dust in a glass of water
18:17 mashpriborintorg in countries like Tibet, they do yummy stuff with milk :p
18:17 Istas I mostly drink water.
18:17 wannabe1987 i attempt to drink mostly water....
18:17 Experimentonomen plain water is boring
18:18 wannabe1987 skim looks nasty
18:18 wannabe1987 i can't drink flavored water
18:18 mashpriborintorg beer contains water true ?
18:18 Seroster For baking or drinking pure I prefer whole.
18:18 Seroster Good thinking.
18:18 wannabe1987 yes mashpriborintorg!
18:18 HighMan Seroster: You are drinkin titanium dioxide not milk.
18:18 Seroster mashpriborintorg, concrete and wood also contains water =D
18:18 HighMan So does semen.
18:18 HighMan ;;)
18:18 BitViper i drink almost no water, maybe a quart a month if i drink a lot
18:18 Istas Plain water is healthy, refreshing, and inexpensive.  I used to drink orange juice and milk frequently too, but now I live where I can't get not-from-concentrate orange juice (locally, anyway), and have fallen off drinking milk regularly too.
18:19 Experimentonomen where i live, tap water tastes like dirt :/
18:19 mashpriborintorg cleaning this zoom lens was a 1 beer long work
18:19 wannabe1987 Cprossu: i need you back here....
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18:20 Experimentonomen g'day leepee
18:21 Lwq1996 Hohoho
18:21 Seroster LEEE
18:21 Lwq1996 Hi
18:21 Seroster Who are you calling a hobo?
18:21 Seroster I hate you
18:21 Lwq1996 Your a hobo :P
18:21 wannabe1987 hi lee1
18:21 wannabe1987 !*
18:22 Lwq1996 Hi
18:22 Lwq1996 I'm bored
18:23 Lwq1996 Someone told me they want a pic of my gf to jack off to :/
18:23 HighMan ...
18:23 * Experimentonomen is so ashamed of his voice, most 18 year olds and younger sound like 40+ compared to me, im 26 and sound like a fucking 5 year old :/
18:23 BitViper lee >.<
18:24 HighMan Experimentonomen: And? Don't be ashamed of it, embrace it.
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18:24 wannabe1987 Experimentonomen:  don't be ashamed!
18:24 BotSteve wannabe1987: call sam
18:25 Lwq1996 Ima take a nap in school now
18:25 Seroster Experimentonomen, Yo, sample
18:26 BitViper wannabe1987 time to call the guy back ?
18:26 wannabe1987 yeah
18:26 Lwq1996 Guy?
18:27 HighMan ...
18:27 BitViper she's trying to get a date
18:27 Lwq1996 Awe :D
18:27 * BitViper hides from wannabe1987
18:27 wannabe1987 he sounds black.  no offense, but no thanks
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18:28 wannabe1987 lee, you should know better anyway
18:28 wannabe1987 TOAST!
18:28 BitViper lol
18:28 Toastdude Hi Wannabe!
18:28 mashpriborintorg my gf is black !
18:28 Lwq1996 Hey blacks and whites can date
18:28 Experimentonomen bleh my neck hurts :/
18:31 wannabe1987 Experimentonomen: you should talk instead of typing....
18:31 HighMan Experimentonomen: Ouch, hope you feel better
18:31 Seroster Wich one, mashpriborintorg? =D
18:32 HighMan Seroster: ...
18:32 Lwq1996 joined #thegeekgroup
18:32 Seroster May I ask you why you switched nick, roadran?
18:32 Lwq1996 I keep disconnecting :/
18:32 mashpriborintorg the only one I'm faithfull
18:33 wannabe1987 Seroster: so he can avoid being on /ignore
18:33 Seroster eh
18:33 Seroster No he can't
18:34 Lwq1996 Bbl
18:37 wannabe1987 :(
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18:38 ajprog_laptop cprossu
18:38 ajprog_laptop you in?
18:38 wannabe1987 somewhere
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18:42 bopsop_ hi
18:42 wannabe1987 hi!
18:42 wannabe1987 how are you?
18:42 Cprossu yep
18:42 Cprossu I am in ajprog_laptop
18:42 Cprossu what's up?
18:43 BitViper Cprossu : is your mc server borked, or just still failing to maintain link ?
18:43 Seroster Fuck yeah, Brady (periodictableofvideos) is going to LHC/CERN, I have a cousin running experiments down there as we speak =P
18:43 Cprossu BitViper it could be either. zozo mentioned I should remove the link between mine and his
18:44 Cprossu I suggest you remove the link from mine to yours
18:44 BitViper yea he did me to, i think thats because his is or will be down
18:44 bopsop_ Hey guys
18:44 Cprossu I am probably going to switch that server back to the tgg map
18:44 BitViper oh cool
18:46 * BitViper is watching chris destroy drill bits making stomper 4 (dec 21)
18:46 wannabe1987 hi bopsop_!
18:47 bopsop_ do give me some questions
18:48 wannabe1987 i can assist with answers, if you have questions
18:48 wannabe1987 whats up?
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18:49 dbshortwave nadda
18:49 thearc good evening from norway :3
18:49 Toastdude Hello
18:50 thearc hey ^_^
18:50 angy Toasty!
18:50 Toastdude Angy!
18:50 * BitViper dies laughing at chris
18:50 Toastdude :D
18:50 wannabe1987 actually, db, i was talking to the newer guy, but whatever
18:50 wannabe1987 hi Thermoelectric
18:50 wannabe1987 thearc
18:50 wannabe1987 fail
18:50 Toastdude I loved that episode, BitViper
18:50 wannabe1987 anyway
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18:51 bopsop here is someone Dutch
18:51 wannabe1987 only superphospahte, and she's not on here right now
18:52 wannabe1987 you mean from the netherlands, right?
18:52 bopsop yes that is good '
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18:53 bopsop where are you from
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18:57 wannabe1987 bopsop: i'm from grand rapids michigan.  we only have one person on irc from the netherlands and she's not on here right now
18:57 wannabe1987 you could find more motherland-dutch in the forums, i think
18:58 wannabe1987 see, my family is from the netherlands, hence i technically am dutch, but do not speak dutch
18:59 bopsop okay
18:59 Cprossu be back in a bit
19:00 bopsop Netherlands when I say what do you think of
19:00 wannabe1987 cpro disconnected WHILE TALKING....wtf
19:01 wannabe1987 dbshortwave: what is team fortress 2?
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19:01 bopsop Netherlands when I say what do you think of
19:01 dbshortwave its a fun game ...
19:02 dbshortwave its a red team vs blue team game
19:02 dbshortwave err
19:02 wannabe1987 dykes and a finger in the dyke :P
19:02 Istas I've been in the Netherlands for a day. There were lots of fields along the route we were on. And Amsterdam is very full of character. The canals were interesting too.
19:02 dbshortwave more or less a war game
19:03 dbshortwave kinda like football in some levels with guns
19:03 Toastdude Anyone here lke tomato soup?
19:04 dbshortwave lol you got king of the hill, control points, cart push, capture flag, few others
19:04 Istas I wouldn't say TF2 is a war game, more like a team-vs-team FPS with different classes of combatant you can be.
19:04 * BitViper hides the remains of his lunch
19:04 dbshortwave you play with guns in the game
19:04 wannabe1987 lol Toastdude, BitViper was eating tomato soup too
19:04 dbshortwave its not blood and guts
19:04 * wannabe1987 attempts gmod again o.o
19:04 dbshortwave ive heard... 10 yearolds pop up over the voce chat
19:05 Istas I have a friend in the Netherlands who I chat with a lot. He says the legal system is very much a pain.
19:05 dbshortwave voice*
19:05 Istas And he wishes there were more sunlight, and less clouds.
19:05 Toastdude BitViper: wannabe has never eaten it.
19:05 BitViper O_O
19:05 Toastdude I know!
19:05 Istas I don't care as much for straight-up tomato soup.
19:05 Toastdude She thinks it would be bland.
19:06 Toastdude I usually put saltines in it
19:06 einball good evening :)
19:06 Toastdude Hello einball
19:06 BitViper I eat straight up standard campbells or equivelant tomato soup, quick and easy
19:06 dbshortwave wannabe1987, download it its free to play
19:07 wannabe1987 hi einball!
19:07 Istas Hello einball.
19:07 wannabe1987 its somehow started on my steam...i just don't know how
19:07 tonsofpcs WOOToff! HD video capable still camera $160
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19:08 tonsofpcs wb Cprossu
19:08 Cprossu good to be back
19:08 tonsofpcs (this is not an endorsement, I just saw the item change)
19:09 Cprossu lawl.
19:09 tonsofpcs also, totally hackable: http://kids.woot.com/
19:09 BotSteve Title: Kids.Woot® : One Day, You'll Understand™
19:09 Cprossu also: nightmare maker
19:09 tonsofpcs how awesome would a traffic light over each door be? :)
19:09 tonsofpcs eh, the dremel removes every part that isn't a traffic light.
19:10 Cprossu cool so they are doing a wootoff
19:10 tonsofpcs maybe keep the clock display and feed it timecode?
19:10 tonsofpcs yea, we're on like day 3 i think
19:10 * HighMan Trying KGB
19:10 Cprossu did they already do the bag of crap?
19:10 HighMan Takes about 1gb of memory to compress.
19:15 wannabe1987 .yt Bach's "Toccata and Fugue in D minor"
19:15 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o
19:16 Cprossu wow they had a leatherman freestyle for $21 that wasn't so bad
19:17 wannabe1987 its all pixilated....and nifty!
19:17 einball :)
19:18 einball Quote from XKCD "Can you look ... blockier?"
19:18 einball http://xkcd.com/598/ ^^
19:18 BotSteve Title: xkcd: Porn
19:19 HighMan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsbNEQCzcUc
19:19 BotSteve Title: Music Invention - YouTube
19:19 wannabe1987 lol
19:20 HighMan That music Invention is just beast.
19:21 HighMan Full version
19:21 HighMan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBDfZZQz54&amp;feature=related
19:21 BotSteve Title: Incredible Machine Full Version "AKA Pipe dream" - YouTube
19:21 Seroster porn?
19:21 angy that's the best word to get you around
19:22 einball yup :)
19:22 Cprossu tonsofpcs I am bummed =(
19:22 Cprossu http://www.woot.com/blog/viewentry.aspx?id=21922
19:23 BotSteve Title: HP Pavilion Quad-Core 1TB Desktop PC - Woot
19:23 Cprossu ^ that would have made a decently cheap editing rig with a vid card attached to it
19:24 Cprossu at $305 it's damn near worth parting out
19:24 tonsofpcs Cprossu: hmm?
19:24 tonsofpcs *looks*
19:24 tonsofpcs eh, those are usually crap
19:24 Cprossu tonsofpcs other woot.com offers today
19:25 tonsofpcs Cprossu: do you know anything about eggdrop?
19:25 Cprossu of course they are crap, but asus mobo, a semi-decent psu, 4gb of ddr3, and a 1tb hdd
19:25 Cprossu no
19:25 tonsofpcs darn, I have one in a channel that is "full" (limit isn't being expanded) and I can't figure out how to seet modes...
19:26 Cprossu but tonsofpcs for $305 that was a pretty good deal
19:26 tonsofpcs eh
19:26 tonsofpcs not really
19:26 Cprossu compared to what the parts go new for it was
19:26 tonsofpcs 4 GB memory in a board tha tsupports 4 GB memory....
19:27 tonsofpcs I got that 3 years ago for about that price.
19:27 tonsofpcs Q6600 in mine
19:28 wannabe1987 thats a computer i could use!
19:29 thearc bye <3
19:30 wannabe1987 see ya!
19:31 Cprossu I'm  looking at $125 for the hard drive, $100 for a comparable proc, $45 for a comparable motherboard, $20 in ram, $35 for a comparable power supply, and that's $325 with no case.
19:31 mashpriborintorg we bought such pcs at work... yeah they're crap
19:31 Cprossu and no optical drive
19:31 Cprossu they are crap but they could last a year
19:31 mashpriborintorg and the "pro" hp laptops are aven worse
19:31 Cprossu yeah those are shit
19:31 mashpriborintorg just the time for the warranty
19:33 angy I like HP business warranty, it's pretty good, never tried the consumer one
19:33 wannabe1987 .in 60min get ready for mtg
19:33 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 20:33Z
19:33 wannabe1987 thx BotSteve
19:33 BotSteve No problem, wannabe1987
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19:34 Cprossu still, I'd say that machine would be worth it for it's parts.
19:34 Cprossu even if I put a good psu and mobo in it
19:41 wannabe1987 i hate this
19:41 wannabe1987 gah
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19:50 mashpriborintorg check the streamn it seems they don't konw about the camera :p
19:51 mashpriborintorg looks like a new member and his mother
19:54 HighMan Damn! KGB won't work!
19:56 egrsteve hello, again
19:56 HighMan Hi egrsteve
19:57 HighMan How's school?
19:57 egrsteve hasn't changed
19:57 HighMan xD
19:57 HighMan If it's not fun... Wrong subject? It's like hating to go to a job... You most likely hate it.
19:58 HighMan New tgg video?
19:58 Electricguy this parody is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPHy17Iu6E
19:58 BotSteve Title: Somebody That I Used To Know - WOTE Parody! Key of Awesome #55! - YouTube
19:58 wannabe1987 hi steve
19:58 KB3NZQ Just found my boss's face book
19:59 angy .cookie egrsteve
19:59 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a black-and-white cookie!
20:00 Cprossu .cookie angy
20:00 BotSteve Here you go, angy, I baked you a shortbread cookie!
20:00 Cprossu yay cookies
20:00 angy :)
20:00 angy mine will be done in a few
20:00 * Electricguy want a cookie too.. "/
20:00 angy but as I don't like sugar, they are nearly sugar free, so quite weird
20:00 wannabe1987 .cookie Electricguy
20:00 BotSteve Here you go, Electricguy, I baked you a double chocolate chip cookie!
20:00 Electricguy NOM! :D
20:00 HighMan .cookie HighMan
20:00 BotSteve Here you go, HighMan, I baked you a snickerdoodle cookie!
20:01 HighMan Ysy!
20:01 wannabe1987 i bought choc peppermint cookie mix today :D
20:01 Electricguy that sounds interesting
20:01 * HighMan Thinks of Nictotine and Menthol.
20:01 wannabe1987 accquired*  from the food panrty!
20:02 KB3NZQ where is my cokie?  :(
20:02 wannabe1987 .cookie KB3NZQ
20:02 BotSteve Here you go, KB3NZQ, I baked you a banana walnut cookie!
20:02 KB3NZQ thank you
20:02 wannabe1987 .cake Toastdude
20:02 BotSteve Here you go, Toastdude, I baked you a white cake!
20:02 Toastdude omnomnom
20:03 Toastdude Thanks!
20:03 wannabe1987 i figure by the time i load gmod i'll have to leave for my appointment
20:03 wannabe1987 sounds great!
20:03 wannabe1987 :facepalm:
20:03 BitViper lol wannabe1987
20:03 wannabe1987 appoint ment is at 4....
20:03 wannabe1987 when zozo gets back i have more links for him to look at re:houses
20:04 BitViper wannabe1987 : first order of business in the new house ... get a rack, add some servers, build a cluster, run virtual systems for all of us
20:04 wannabe1987 no
20:04 wannabe1987 get internet
20:04 BitViper oh yea, that would be a good thing
20:04 BitViper no, no ... get a KEY
20:04 wannabe1987 and electricity
20:05 wannabe1987 lol
20:05 Cheezmo http://www.last.fm/user/capncheezmo
20:05 wannabe1987 hi Cheezmo
20:05 BotSteve Title: CapnCheezmo’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm
20:05 Cheezmo hurro
20:05 Cheezmo having a Rush time
20:05 BitViper (1) get key (2) get utilities (3) bug bomb the place (4) set out rodent traps (5) get internet (6) build server cluster
20:06 Cheezmo lol
20:06 wannabe1987 you boys can do that.  i will set up the kitchen
20:06 BitViper works for me
20:06 BitViper maybe we can talk chris out of one of the spare server racks in the overflow roo
20:06 BitViper *room
20:07 wannabe1987 there are plenty in the sheep room
20:07 BitViper yeah
20:08 wannabe1987 speaking of zozo he's back in ts
20:08 Zozoious ?
20:08 wannabe1987 angy has step 7 in the nsfw room
20:08 BitViper look out, there he is
20:08 wannabe1987 that place you wanted was taken
20:08 wannabe1987 i found more like it
20:10 * egrsteve is hungry, whats new?
20:10 wannabe1987 cupcakes
20:10 egrsteve .cheese
20:10 egrsteve :(
20:10 egrsteve .sandvich
20:11 egrsteve .sandwich
20:11 angy you mean .sandvick
20:11 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I made you a applewood smoked ham,provolone cheese garnished,lettuce,tomato,mayo on italian sandwich!
20:11 wannabe1987 here you go angy, i made you a BLT sandvick
20:11 Electricguy lulz
20:11 Cprossu .sandwich
20:11 BotSteve Here you go, Cprossu, I made you a turkey on rye sandwich!
20:11 angy I just had dinner :)
20:11 Cprossu hey egrsteve doing more than lurking today, eh?
20:12 * egrsteve returns to lurking
20:12 BitViper hey Zozoious, have more wifi info :)
20:12 Zozoious oh yea?
20:12 Seroster Zozoious?
20:13 Seroster ..New incarnation of guardianzozo?
20:13 BitViper yeah, like with 100ft tower at tgg i can shoot to almost anything los within 15 miles
20:14 HighMan XD
20:14 BitViper but there is better way to get even more coverage, but hard to explain
20:14 tonsofpcs can you put a 99ft tower there?
20:14 HighMan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBDfZZQz54&amp;feature=related
20:14 BitViper good question
20:14 BotSteve Title: Incredible Machine Full Version "AKA Pipe dream" - YouTube
20:14 HighMan Check that out!
20:14 tonsofpcs (anything over 99 ft is considered 100 ft and must be lit and/or painted)
20:14 BitViper should be able to
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20:14 tonsofpcs check glide-slopes for nearby airfields?
20:14 BitViper tonsofpcs nearest airport is on far side of town > 10 miles
20:15 wannabe1987 crows?
20:15 Zozoious bit talk to me on ts if its for "work" i keep forgetting about irc (usless i get a popup)
20:15 Zozoious that and doing alittlw work
20:16 wannabe1987 by the time i connect i time out wtf
20:16 tonsofpcs wwait, no, 200 ft is lit/painted, 100ft - 200ft = they can tell you to, iirc
20:17 tonsofpcs BitViper: you're also very close to an AM station and may need to detune the tower and run a pattern plot for them before/after building it
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20:17 wannabe1987 masterofmonks!!! hi
20:17 tonsofpcs hi mom
20:17 masterofmonks Morning...
20:17 BitViper tonsofpcs no where near the same freq, power, etc
20:18 tonsofpcs BitViper: it's not an interference thing, it's a re-radiation thing.  A metal structure without a radio on it can have an effect on an AM pattern
20:19 BitViper ah got ya
20:20 HighMan mas?
20:20 HighMan masterofmonks: It's evening..
20:20 egrsteve morning monks
20:20 * egrsteve returns to lurking
20:21 angy take a cookie!
20:21 tonsofpcs WTKG is over by Ann St @ 131 (1230 Mega Hertz [yes, it's his birthday today, go to google.com])
20:21 Toastdude BotSteve: Should I eat now?
20:21 BotSteve I don't think so
20:21 Toastdude BotSteve: Should I eat soup now?
20:21 BotSteve Definitely
20:22 tonsofpcs WYGR 1530 is out by 196 where Kent Trails would intersect it
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20:22 Ponko1 hmm
20:22 tonsofpcs WFUR and WJRW  (1570, 1340) are down by Wealthy St SW
20:23 wannabe1987 hi Ponko
20:23 Ponko hey wannabe1987
20:23 Toastdude PONKO
20:24 Ponko oi oi toasty
20:25 wannabe1987 why is my dell a fail?
20:25 BitViper dood[ete] its a dell
20:25 wannabe1987 true
20:25 tonsofpcs that's like asking why your coffee is hot.
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20:26 wannabe1987 leeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:26 egrsteve tons, you think we will have issues with AM stations with a tower at the Lab?
20:26 angy a coffee ca be server caldo con ghiaccio
20:26 egrsteve nearest is a few miles
20:27 tonsofpcs BitViper: as for airports, there's MI97 @ Butterworth Hospital, 9MI3 right near it, MI63 at St Mary's (not too much further), and 2MI1 @ Blodgett Memorial (although that seems quite a ways away)
20:27 egrsteve the one by 196 I think
20:27 * lwq1996 pokes masterofmonks :P
20:27 egrsteve tons, all of those are helipads, all hospitals except one
20:27 BitViper hrm, those are heliports tho, not sure wether those count
20:28 BitViper the only airport that i know of that would matter is Ford International
20:28 egrsteve what are we tring to figure out?
20:28 wannabe1987 putting a wifi (?) tower on tgg
20:28 egrsteve there are some other small local airports in the area too
20:28 BitViper egrsteve : wether we would need to worry about airport regarding tower hight in the tgg area
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20:29 egrsteve hmm, how tall?
20:29 wannabe1987 lwq1996: did you understand who said my status?
20:29 BitViper egrsteve : well 100' was the number in discussion
20:29 lwq1996 yes :P
20:29 wannabe1987 ok
20:29 tonsofpcs egrsteve: right, but if their approach goes by, they can nix your tower, even if it really shouldn't matter
20:29 lwq1996 http://www.onestophumour.com/funny-pics/3071/
20:29 BotSteve Title: DAFUQ is Wrong With My Son
20:29 egrsteve 100 is what most cell towers are and I know there are cell towers within a mile of the lab
20:30 egrsteve and there is a large tower a couple miles up alpine so I doubt we are in approch
20:30 BitViper yeah, and afaik ford int slope is nowhere near tgg so 200 shouoldnt be a problem at least wrt airports
20:30 BitViper guying a 200' might be'
20:30 BitViper an issue
20:30 tonsofpcs BitViper: 199'.
20:30 BitViper tonsofpcs : picky
20:30 egrsteve placing a 200 at the lab could be an issue to due to feasible locations
20:31 egrsteve there is a powerline running over the middle of the back parking lot too
20:31 tonsofpcs also, you can get 150' self-supporter with about a 10'x10' base area (plus 5' from the building)
20:31 KB3NZQ and also the neighbors too @ egrsteve
20:31 BitViper egrsteve : yeah, really any tower at tgg would almost have to be inside corner of handicap
20:31 BitViper self support good, but expensive as fsck
20:32 tonsofpcs egrsteve: the power line goes through the middle?
20:32 tonsofpcs so west-to-east?
20:32 KB3NZQ you might be able to get away with a mast on top of the building
20:32 egrsteve east to wast
20:32 egrsteve *west
20:32 tonsofpcs right, but you're not going to go higher than maybe 30' above the building
20:32 BitViper KB3NZQ : for the idea at hand, a small mast would be insufficient, min height needed for idea at hand is 100'
20:32 egrsteve the "omni yard" was talked about too
20:32 tonsofpcs what about on the northeast corner?
20:32 KB3NZQ what is idea? BitViper
20:32 tonsofpcs you might be able to fit a self-supporter over there...
20:32 egrsteve NE as in handicap?
20:33 tonsofpcs the open corner that's on the street
20:33 egrsteve one though was the omni yard in the corner between MDH and studios
20:33 BitViper KB3NZQ : myself and a couple others are looking to start a wifi isp in the area, possibly with tgg as the base (and free internet provided)
20:33 BotSteve wannabe1987: get ready for mtg
20:33 egrsteve but only if the tower base is under 24"
20:33 KB3NZQ is it a ham radio repater? if so what bands are you thinking of
20:33 wannabe1987 thx bot
20:33 BitViper to be clear, we'd give the lab free internet
20:33 BitViper not vice versa
20:34 tonsofpcs no clue what you mean by omni yard....
20:34 BitViper KB3NZQ : i think egrsteve and others are looking into a tgg repeater too, but is separate project
20:34 KB3NZQ ok
20:34 egrsteve the fenced yard outside the  machineshop area
20:34 wannabe1987 theres a fenced in area by the cnc machines that omni goes in
20:34 BitViper omni yard is west side
20:34 egrsteve correct
20:34 tonsofpcs oh, I didn't know abut that (I've seen the fence, of course)
20:35 tonsofpcs that's a bit small of an area and you can't put a guyed tower there.
20:35 egrsteve a tower could be placed in the corner along the building and tied to the wall at 25ish ft
20:35 tonsofpcs you could brace a freestanding 'tv receive' type tower to the building corner there and use it as structural support to go a bit above the building, but again, only maybe 30'
20:35 tonsofpcs right, what you said.
20:36 tonsofpcs I'm thinking the opposite corner of the building, north of the pool, east of the offices...
20:36 egrsteve the handicap lot?
20:36 tonsofpcs if that's what it is
20:36 BitViper yeah, a guyd tower at the lab would be a trick no matter where you put it, but i think the best place for a guyd would be the inside corner of the handicap lot. a standalone perhaps outside the east corner of MDH
20:36 tonsofpcs idk, I always walked around the west side of the building
20:36 BitViper tonsofpcs : thats the handicap lot
20:36 KB3NZQ BitViper http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1800
20:36 BotSteve Title: MFJ Enterprises Inc.
20:36 tonsofpcs BitViper: ok, s/handicap lot/freestanding tower/
20:37 BitViper tonsofpcs : i think the handicap lot, SW corner would  be the best place for guyed or standalone really
20:37 KB3NZQ also look at mfj-1801  mfj-1804  mfj-1802
20:38 tonsofpcs alternatively, you could maybe get a utility pole....
20:38 KB3NZQ thay are high gain wifi attennas
20:38 egrsteve hmm, the problem with handicap is it's next to a 200KVA lightning machine
20:38 BitViper KB3NZQ : meh ... http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=AG-2G20-HP-US&amp;d=Ubiquiti-AG-2G20-HP-US-2.4GHz-20dBi-17x24-Antenna-%28AG-2G20-HP-US%29&amp;utm_campaign=base&amp;utm_medium=organic&amp;utm_source=google_base
20:38 BotSteve Title: Ubiquiti AG-2G20-HP-US 2.4GHz 20dBi 17x24 Antenna (AG-2G20-HP-US) from Solid Signal
20:38 tonsofpcs I think this is what we have in the yard here: http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-ssmw-self-supporting-towers
20:38 BotSteve Title: ROHN SSMW Self Supporting Tower
20:38 BitViper egrsteve : somehow im not sure the extra 20 feet to the corner of MDH is gonna matter much, but good point
20:39 egrsteve no more like 200ft
20:39 tonsofpcs egrsteve: go up an extra 40' and you're 40' further away ;)
20:39 wannabe-afk accountability meeting....time to go soon
20:39 egrsteve and think law of squares
20:39 tonsofpcs also, line the north wall of HV with mylar.
20:39 tonsofpcs (grounded, ofc)
20:39 wannabe-afk http://instagr.am/p/HUkbANv-xZ/  its a loose seal!
20:39 BotSteve Title: Instagram
20:40 tonsofpcs mind you, my 10kW FM runs just fine right next to my 50kW TV...
20:40 egrsteve mylar is just plasic, you need metalicized mylar for that
20:40 egrsteve like antistatic bags
20:40 Ponko hmm
20:40 tonsofpcs who buys plastic-only mylar?
20:40 tonsofpcs waste of money :-p
20:40 Ponko what a good day it's been
20:40 angy nope, great for sailing
20:40 angy hello P'ky
20:40 BitViper egrsteve : 110' according to my model
20:41 Cheezmo tonsofpcs, I worked in UPS manufacturing, and we used it as insulators
20:41 egrsteve from HVL to the west yard?
20:41 egrsteve MDH is almost 100ft alone
20:41 wannabe-afk this is all assuming boden goes through with it and lets us, right?
20:41 BitViper egrsteve : oh not to west yard. ...
20:41 tonsofpcs hmm... it's not a SSMW
20:41 BitViper egrsteve : from SW corner of handicap to SE corner of MDH
20:41 Cheezmo tonsofpcs: http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/265166_10150653273625582_675900581_19024432_6869916_n.jpg
20:42 Cheezmo all those chokes have mylar all around them... god I hated those
20:42 egrsteve no the other location would be the omni yard (west)
20:42 BitViper wannabe-afk : this is all a thought experiment at this time anyway
20:42 Cheezmo also, that's my impromptu solder pot in the foreground :D
20:42 wannabe-afk ik
20:42 tonsofpcs egrsteve: how tall is the highest point of the roof?
20:42 BitViper egrsteve : im not even thinking of omni yard, too close to road and other propety imo
20:43 egrsteve just under 30ft, at the studios
20:44 tonsofpcs the problem with a bracketed tower is wind-loading
20:45 tonsofpcs at 40 ft, bracketed at 30' and 15', a Rohn G-series is only rated for 7.7 square feet in 90[G105] MPH wind.  You can easily get 10' above that 30' roof with a roof-mount
20:45 egrsteve there is  no location not by other property is the problem, event the SE corner of MDH is by the alley and peoples garages not to mention a power line running behind HVL and across the parkign lot
20:45 BitViper yeah
20:46 BitViper thats why i like the handicap lot
20:46 tonsofpcs the highest grade rohn makes is rated 41.8 sq ft @ 90G105 MPH at only 40' up
20:46 egrsteve the power line rules out SE MDH
20:46 tonsofpcs handicap lot >> 100' self-supporter is probably the best way to go.
20:46 wannabe-afk http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhfwhi2VQ1qc0dmqo1_500.gif\
20:46 wannabe-afk http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhfwhi2VQ1qc0dmqo1_500.gif *
20:47 egrsteve 40 sq ft is a fair sized beam though
20:47 BitViper tonsofpcs : yeah, and even that may require paperwork due to prox of main road
20:47 wannabe-afk bye
20:47 tonsofpcs bye river.
20:47 egrsteve it will need building permits if nothing else
20:47 tonsofpcs BitViper: it'll probably need building permits regardless.  You're either extending the height of an existing structure (roof mount) or you're putting in a new foundation (anything else)
20:47 egrsteve no matter the size
20:48 egrsteve anything over 100ft needs zoning variances
20:48 egrsteve I know that
20:48 tonsofpcs and that's why there's 98 or 99 foot tall towers :)
20:48 egrsteve hence most cell towers are 100
20:49 tonsofpcs egrsteve: get one of these towers [see picture]: http://www.rohnnet.com/concealment
20:49 BotSteve Title: Concealment Towers
20:49 BitViper egrsteve : also reason to make it a ham tower, can help with some of that paperwork :)
20:49 tonsofpcs BitViper: how so?  people that don't want a tower there don't care what it's for.
20:50 egrsteve don't think that one will hide in GR very well
20:50 BitViper tonsofpcs : the ham community has a good relationship with the city of grand rapids :) or did last i knew
20:50 tonsofpcs BitViper: the moment you do anything that requires a presentation in front of a town/city board, it's all-out warfare.  If you can keep it under the requirements to do so feasibly, you probably should.
20:51 slewfoot We should enlist Mike Smith
20:51 tonsofpcs in some places, wooden utility poles are allowed without variances even where towers would require variances.  They make some pretty tall wooden utility poles and you can probably pay the local electric company to install one for you.
20:51 BitViper tonsofpcs : true enough, however in GR, the ham community has a very very close relationship with the city, or used to'
20:52 tonsofpcs there's another option too, in that case :)
20:53 egrsteve parts of the Ham community do have connections mainly SAR and from what I hear DO NOT CROSS THEM
20:53 tonsofpcs pm'd both of you :)
20:53 tonsofpcs SAR?
20:54 egrsteve search and rescue
20:54 tonsofpcs search and rescue
20:54 tonsofpcs ah
20:54 tonsofpcs yea, just figured it out :)
20:54 BitViper egrsteve : isnt there still the emergency services group that was put together about a decade ago, not just sar
20:54 tonsofpcs BitViper: RACES?
20:54 egrsteve yes, and sar makes there life hell
20:54 egrsteve no here sar and races are teh same
20:54 tonsofpcs oh
20:54 masterofmonks Considering that the HAM Community is also part of CERT, that isn't surprising.
20:54 BitViper tonsofpcs : races is a part of the group i mention
20:55 tonsofpcs what about the CAP?
20:55 egrsteve I think they feel threatened by cert
20:55 tonsofpcs http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/
20:55 BotSteve Title: Civil Air Patrol - United States Air Force Auxiliary
20:55 egrsteve I know they feel threated by cert
20:55 masterofmonks Why the hell would they feel threatened by CERT?
20:55 egrsteve in GR there is bad blood between races/sar and cert
20:55 BitViper egrsteve which of the gr clubs/groups do you associate with, if any ?
20:56 egrsteve none at this time
20:56 egrsteve MOM the kent county (GR) cert is actually active and does stuff
20:56 masterofmonks As opposed to RACES and SAR?
20:57 egrsteve no, they are active too but cert id the new kid on there turf so to speak
20:57 masterofmonks Turf wars in these kind of organizatinos is complete BS
20:57 egrsteve and they feel threatened by it
20:57 egrsteve I know
20:57 masterofmonks organizations*
20:57 BitViper cant even get away from politics in ham radio =(
20:58 egrsteve they have different purposes and help with diff needs but they don't understand that
20:58 BitViper more like they dont care
20:59 masterofmonks What they need is an inter organization liason, someoen who can wear all three hats.
20:59 masterofmonks someone*
20:59 BitViper masterofmonks : that person would have to have a big whip
20:59 egrsteve that would be the CK emergancy manager
20:59 egrsteve and he is unsure about cert
21:00 egrsteve (even though the KC cert team has won awards for group of year and others)
21:00 egrsteve so it's a big political mess
21:00 masterofmonks So what you are saying is that CERT is the underdog... Sounds just liek the team TGG needs to partner with.
21:00 egrsteve *KC manager
21:01 egrsteve I can make that happen
21:01 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: sounds like the county OEM is the one to partner with, really.
21:01 BitViper egrsteve : am i correct that chris has an official club callsign for tgg, and thus there's an official tgg club ?
21:01 tonsofpcs then let the county OEM partner you with CERT as well
21:01 egrsteve yes, I belive so
21:02 egrsteve the OEM would never to that, he would rather see CERT die
21:02 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, that is a politically safe thing to do, but strategically dumb.
21:02 BitViper cool. i sooooo hope me and zozo and whoever else can get a house or something down there, its the only way i'll be able to be part of anything at tgg short of the one visit i made
21:03 BitViper politics and strategy/tactical are always at odds ... me i'll go with strat/tact any day
21:05 BitViper egrsteve : do me a favor, keep eyes and ears open for a ham or friendly company with a tower on the river valey ridge to the north of the lab where we could shoot a link from just a roof mount on top of the lab, and use that tower for distribution
21:05 egrsteve lets just say if I build my porable 440 repeater, the KC cert will be able to use it
21:05 egrsteve hmm, IDK of any off hand
21:06 BitViper right now the only other option is rooftop from some building downtown
21:06 egrsteve that or space on another tower
21:06 BitViper the trick is getting out of the friggin river valley
21:06 egrsteve there is a tower behind the zoo
21:06 egrsteve on a high hill full of mixed use
21:06 BitViper on the hill though ?
21:07 BitViper hrm
21:07 lwq1996 im mad bro :/
21:07 egrsteve looks like mostly repeaters, there does not apear to be cell on it
21:07 egrsteve it's one of the highest spots in GR
21:07 Istas Windy day here, lights have been flickering.
21:08 BitViper where from the zoo ?
21:08 egrsteve toward 196, you can see it from the highway
21:09 BitViper south ? i know there's a couple towers between the zoo and the river to the south, but that wouldnt be high ground
21:09 egrsteve it may be on zoo land
21:09 BitViper i assume those are am
21:09 egrsteve those are AM
21:09 BitViper are you talking one tower, or several ?
21:10 lwq1996 .seen wannabe-afk
21:10 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe-afk 0.38 hours ago at 2012-02-22 20:47:03 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 21:10:03 UTC
21:11 Electricguy yayy! i got the UART to serial monitor link to work! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgIOuiRVWE
21:11 BotSteve Title: Serial link from arduino to DOS terminal with the portable lab console - YouTube
21:11 egrsteve http://maps.google.com/?ll=42.961507,-85.704877&amp;spn=0.003187,0.004823&amp;t=h&amp;z=18
21:11 BotSteve Title: Google Maps
21:11 egrsteve you can see the tower there
21:11 Ponko kate here?
21:11 egrsteve it looks like a cell tower but is mixed use
21:12 Istas Good job Electricguy.
21:12 Electricguy thx
21:12 BitViper ok thats what i was just looking at in google earth
21:12 Electricguy was bitchy as fuck to get it to work for some reason.. even if it's a VERY simple thing to hook up
21:12 BitViper doesnt appear to be very high
21:12 egrsteve maybe 100ft, but it's on a huge hill
21:13 egrsteve like I said that hill is one of the highest points in GR w/o a 100ft tower
21:13 Electricguy serial comm is not fun when the receiver just wont listen to the data..
21:13 BitViper yeah i see the hill, might be a plat to check with, any idea who ownes that, appears to be fenced off from the zoo
21:14 egrsteve it's just of zoo land by the map coloring
21:14 egrsteve look it up with the FCC
21:14 egrsteve they will know
21:15 tonsofpcs got coordinates?
21:16 BitViper 42.961302° -85.706809°
21:16 BitViper give or take a few feet
21:16 egrsteve should be close enough
21:17 BitViper thats inside the tower fence area
21:17 tonsofpcs ah, so there is a tower there
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21:17 egrsteve close enough
21:17 egrsteve ?
21:17 tonsofpcs WFUR is in that vacant-looking lot south of there, btwe
21:17 egrsteve noted, that land is public domain
21:18 tonsofpcs looks like two cell companies on that tower.
21:18 egrsteve it's also in the flood plane
21:18 BitViper i bet the parking lot is a public scenic overlook
21:18 egrsteve hmm, it looks like a bunch of folded dipole arrays on it
21:18 egrsteve most likely 2m ish
21:18 BitViper flood plain ? the tower ??????
21:19 egrsteve wfur
21:19 egrsteve to the south
21:19 BitViper oh got it
21:19 tonsofpcs BitViper: probably, it's an AM.
21:19 tonsofpcs the more water, the better!
21:19 egrsteve well, the tower is on a small hill but the field is in flood plain
21:19 BitViper wait, what tower/parking lot are we talking about, the one on the hill or the couple down by the river ?
21:20 egrsteve yes
21:20 tonsofpcs the one in the flood plain is the one by the river.
21:20 egrsteve the one on the hill interests you
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21:20 BitViper ok, yeah those towers down by the river are likely am, not interested in those
21:20 egrsteve tons and I are talking about the AM ones by the river
21:20 tonsofpcs *installs silverlight to use GIS tool*
21:21 BitViper there's at least 2 towers down by the river, maybe 3
21:21 tonsofpcs http://gis.kentcountymi.gov/public/kcviewerweb/   42.961302° -85.706809°
21:21 BotSteve Title: Kent County Geospatial Service
21:21 BitViper silverlight wont even install on my machine, crashes every time i try
21:24 tonsofpcs https://www.accesskent.com/Property/FromGIS.jsp?parcelNumber=41-13-26-301-002
21:24 BotSteve Title: accessKent | Online Services
21:24 HighMan The wonders of Placebos.
21:27 tonsofpcs https://www.accesskent.com/Property/FromGIS.jsp?parcelNumber=41-13-23-227-025 being of interest as well, of course
21:27 BotSteve Title: accessKent | Online Services
21:27 tonsofpcs those two don't require silverlight steve ^
21:27 tonsofpcs I just grabbed the details link
21:27 BitViper interesting, so the zoo is officially a vacant lot ? LOL
21:28 tonsofpcs apparently.
21:29 egrsteve unless you have the wrong parcel #
21:29 tonsofpcs but the driveway in front of that tower is improved
21:29 Druidic_Rifleman hey egrsteve
21:30 Druidic_Rifleman do you know of any one way vavles that will hold atleast 150 PSI
21:30 tonsofpcs well, the property classification has to do with what you can do with the land and its zoning, taxability, etc.
21:30 tonsofpcs Druidic_Rifleman: hold? like in reverse? a schrader should be able to handle that easily....
21:30 tonsofpcs not exactly a one-way valve though... (it kinda is)
21:31 BitViper ok, this body is going to go lay down and rest it's back
21:31 tonsofpcs (we have a certain pice of equipment that uses a schrader as a one-way valve when combined with an additional piece)
21:32 Druidic_Rifleman I need it to fill a pressure vessel with NOS so i can disconect the NOS supply from a rocket
21:33 tonsofpcs so a chucked valve is ok?
21:33 tonsofpcs what about the valves they use on paintball gun tanks?
21:34 tonsofpcs (we have "AirGas" here, I'd just wander in there and tell them what I have and what I want and they'd most likely have it.  If they don't exist there, maybe grainger?)
21:35 azop jbrooks: Did you ever come up with a good estimation for RTP implementation for the client / server?
21:35 azop err
21:35 azop wrong channel.
21:36 tonsofpcs also, apparently the ally behind the labs is Leonard Aly NW (and the N/S portion is Fremont Aly NW)
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21:48 egrsteve didn't know alleys had names
21:51 Monkeh egrsteve: Sure, just stay out of Mug Alley and Rape Way
21:52 egrsteve ya
21:53 angy .cookie egrsteve
21:53 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a double chocolate chip cookie!
21:53 * egrsteve finds real chocalate chip cookie
21:53 egrsteve (I'm hungry)
21:54 angy I forgot to brought you cookies last time at the lab
21:54 angy I'll correct that next time
21:54 egrsteve hmm, only 3 cookies left :(
21:54 egrsteve make that 2
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21:55 astro73|alice .cookie egrsteve
21:55 BotSteve Here you go, egrsteve, I baked you a pecan cookie!
21:55 egrsteve thansk
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21:57 egrsteve (and COOKIES)
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21:58 egrsteve *BOLD* *CAPITAL* *LETTERS*
21:59 egrsteve *BOLD* *CAPITAL* *LETTERS* *WITH* *EXCLAIMATION* *POINTS* *!!!*
21:59 wannabe1987 wtf
21:59 egrsteve what?
21:59 wannabe1987 nothing.  out of character for you tis all
22:00 egrsteve no, not really, expect the unexpected
22:00 wannabe1987 supertroopers > reno 911
22:00 angy like this ¡?
22:00 * egrsteve punches nearest person in face
22:00 hhrlisa hey now violence doesn't solve the problem it only makes you feel better
22:00 astro73|alice xkcd's already done that
22:00 angy I should have wrote, like this ¡¿
22:01 egrsteve exactly that way you can feel better many times
22:01 wannabe1987 hi astro
22:01 astro73|alice hi wannabe
22:01 hhrlisa Lol steve, I never took you for a violent one. But as you said expect the unexpected
22:01 egrsteve then get about solving the problem when you feel good enough to do so
22:02 egrsteve no, I am not violent, just volatile
22:02 angy if you can't solve, dissolve
22:02 * egrsteve sends angy lye
22:02 wannabe1987 what'd i miss in my hour plus gone?
22:02 tonsofpcs BUNDERCAPS!
22:03 angy :)
22:03 egrsteve and a plastic barrel
22:04 egrsteve I should have sent the lye in the barrel saving on shipping :(
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22:04 angy indeed
22:05 angy there is a 15% discount on bulk dissolving of problems
22:06 astro73|alice what's up in the world of wannabe and hhrlisa ?
22:06 hhrlisa lisa will be in bed in about 40 minutes
22:06 wannabe1987 food
22:06 astro73|alice hhrlisa: naptiem?
22:06 hhrlisa i have to get to bed before work tonight
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22:07 tlockley evening
22:07 angy hello lovely islander
22:07 wannabe1987 hi
22:07 tlockley hey angy
22:08 * egrsteve is hungry
22:08 * angy gets 756 cookies into egrsteve
22:08 wannabe1987 o.o
22:09 astro73|alice that's a lot of cookies
22:09 wannabe1987 .seen Druidic_Rifleman
22:09 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Druidic_Rifleman 0.62 hours ago at 2012-02-22 21:32:33 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 22:09:41 UTC
22:09 wannabe1987 o ok.  so he is alive.  tis all
22:11 tlockley angy: you any good with lvm?
22:11 angy I know my way with it
22:11 tlockley do you know of a good way to learn how to use it? yNos was giving me some pointers on it the other day
22:11 wannabe1987 someone explain why gas prices went up to 3.65?!
22:12 angy there is a great book on filesystems that has a few chapters on it
22:12 astro73|alice wannabe1987: i could say supply and demand, but those don't seem to have much to do with gas prices anymore
22:12 wannabe1987 yeah....
22:12 angy but I don't remember the name of it
22:12 tlockley ah
22:12 tlockley well off to the googles
22:12 angy use duckduckgo :)
22:13 angy duckduckgo.com
22:13 tlockley i am starting to give that more consideration
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22:14 Istas This is a useful website.  They have charts for gas prices over time too  http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
22:14 BotSteve Title: USA National Gas Price Heat Map - GasBuddy.com
22:14 wannabe1987 noes!  its PacketHumper!
22:14 wannabe1987 :P
22:14 Istas On which you can compare states against other states.
22:14 angy I think red hat had some things on lvm but I can't find them again
22:14 wannabe1987 that doesn't say why gas went from a nicer 3.22 up to 3.69 in a WEEK or so....
22:15 tlockley just a quick google pointed me to howtoForge
22:15 Istas That's true. But it's still a nifty site.
22:15 tlockley i find that the how tos' are well written
22:15 wannabe1987 o def.  and it looks like prices from here to nc are about the same
22:15 angy I'm not a fan of that website
22:15 tlockley ads or content?
22:15 angy lots of not optimized things on it
22:15 angy I don't see ads when I browse, so I'm not that annooyed
22:16 astro73|alice food sounds good
22:16 wannabe1987 food is good
22:16 astro73|alice but all i have is a hot pocket
22:16 wannabe1987 my italian dressing was frozen :/
22:16 angy I don't use that much lvm, so I'm not that good with it
22:17 tlockley ok, well I really just want to use it beacause i havent used it yet
22:17 angy before not that long, the write barriers was still there, so it was not really usable
22:17 angy was still not there is more appropriate
22:17 wannabe1987 awww  my favorite gas station was robbed this am :/
22:18 PacketHumper you have a favorite gas station?
22:18 tlockley well i could stick with letting the array handle its own raid but Im interested in yNos's method
22:18 PacketHumper wow i can't keep up with 4 conversations in 5 rooms. lol
22:18 angy go ifs :)
22:18 wannabe1987 yes
22:18 wannabe1987 i do
22:18 tlockley and im not serving medical critial data
22:18 PacketHumper agreed ifs
22:18 tlockley just some vids
22:19 angy still use ifs :)
22:19 * PacketHumper seconds that.
22:19 angy the last file system is good for everything
22:19 tlockley ifs == ??
22:19 angy zfs
22:19 angy I messed uptypin
22:20 angy I should say zpool
22:20 tlockley ah, i read an article on it not to long ago
22:20 angy whatever you need, it can do it
22:20 tlockley i was planning on figuring out how to do it
22:20 angy just, whatever you use, don't go over the 10Tb barrier for a pool
22:21 angy performances will suffer very badly above that
22:21 tlockley ah
22:21 tlockley i dont have that much storage combined by all the computers i have
22:21 angy all our testing have lead us to go up to 15Tb volumes
22:21 tlockley raw total is 5.75TB ish
22:22 angy :)
22:22 angy it's still a nice figure
22:23 * egrsteve needs ectobyte drives
22:23 astro73|alice egrsteve: to catch ghosts?\
22:23 angy I think with lvm1 you can't go over 2TB so it's OK for the performance barrier
22:24 egrsteve sorry exabyte
22:24 angy however ZFS is up to 16Eb
22:24 egrsteve keeping ghosts out of the file system in important too
22:25 egrsteve hmm, a yottabyte volume
22:25 Electricguy bedtime! :) night night all!
22:25 wannabe1987 night!
22:25 Istas Goodnight Electricguy
22:27 wannabe1987 BotSteve: will gmod work?
22:27 BotSteve Maybe
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22:28 astro73|alice i think i've found some kind of zen with javascript. It's coming a lot easier than i was expecting
22:28 wannabe1987 .c 26+15
22:28 BotSteve 41
22:28 wannabe1987 hi droppingby
22:29 wannabe1987 BotSteve:  will gmod work now?
22:29 droppingby hello
22:29 tlockley angy: is there native ZFS support for debian?
22:29 angy debian/kFreeBSD
22:29 tlockley is that different from general debain?
22:30 angy a tiny bit
22:30 angy and still quite beta
22:30 Sgt_Lemming it's debian built on a freebsd kernel tlockley
22:30 tlockley ah
22:30 tlockley interesting
22:31 tlockley angy: do you think it will be stable enough for simple file serving angy ?
22:31 Sgt_Lemming yeah
22:31 angy file serving is OK
22:31 Sgt_Lemming tlockley, it is, but it's a PITA to get ZFS running well, and it can't boot from it
22:31 angy just check which zfs version it handles
22:31 angy needs at least 28
22:31 Sgt_Lemming actually, getting ZFS going as / is a PITA
22:32 tlockley i dont plan on booting from ZFS
22:32 Sgt_Lemming should be fine then
22:32 tlockley i have two SAS
22:32 angy it's not that complicated
22:32 tlockley as boot drives
22:32 Sgt_Lemming angy, it's not that simple
22:32 angy but may need to tweak a little and understand the file system
22:32 angy Sgt_Lemming: it's not complex at all
22:32 astro73|alice i'm off to class
22:32 tlockley cya astro73|alice
22:32 Sgt_Lemming I disagree
22:33 wannabe1987 awwww bye astro
22:33 Sgt_Lemming later astro
22:33 tlockley Sgt_Lemming what in you oppinion makes it hard?
22:33 wannabe1987 my salad = lettuce, bacon, and dressing.  me = winning
22:34 angy if you understand ZFS and how a system boot, it's quite easy to boot from ZFS
22:34 angy there is just no standard tools that just does an install for it
22:34 Sgt_Lemming ZFS works a bit different to most other file systems, and the tools for it are nowhere near as mature
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22:34 Sgt_Lemming yeah angy, so booting from it under FreeBSD basically requires doing a manual install and build
22:34 angy Sgt_Lemming: go solaris, and we'll talk about it then
22:35 angy Sgt_Lemming: that's not complicated
22:35 angy complicated is patching the FS
22:35 Sgt_Lemming it's a hell of a lot more complicated than installing using the standard text mode installers
22:36 angy I don't agree with that, but I'm way too used not to use tools for anything
22:37 tlockley angy: if i can get debian/kFreeBSD installed soon, can you give me a hand setting up ZFS?
22:37 angy sure
22:37 angy beware that you will need quite a lot of memory to use ZFS
22:37 angy I'd recommand 4GB
22:38 tlockley i have 6G installed now, i may upgrade to 12 later
22:38 angy and if you have a quite powerful processor, go with compression
22:38 angy you'll save tons of space
22:38 tlockley 2x Dual-Core 3Ghz xeons
22:38 Sgt_Lemming also angy, solaris doesn't want to work on the server I have which is annoying
22:38 angy LZMA encryption then, that's awesome
22:40 Sgt_Lemming tried installing it many many times, but for some reason it won't boot
22:40 angy you have a hardware raid controller ?
22:40 Sgt_Lemming 1ru server with onboard scsi gake raid
22:40 Sgt_Lemming fake*
22:41 Sgt_Lemming but even if I disable the raid it does nothing
22:41 angy I would go with your HDD controller not supported
22:41 angy still
22:49 tlockley angy: while i am waiting for debian to download, is there anything i need to do to my xserve raid besides setting it for jbod?
22:49 angy set it just for individual drives
22:52 HighMan .define mirth
22:52 BotSteve mirth — noun: 1. The emotion usually following humour and accompanied by laughter; merriment; jollity; gaiety, 2. That which causes merriment
22:53 dbshortwave http://thejigsawpuzzles.com
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22:53 wannabe1987 .seen SarahM
22:53 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw wannabe1987 0.00 hours ago at 2012-02-22 22:53:51 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 22:53:51 UTC
22:53 wannabe1987 lol
22:54 wannabe1987 fail
22:55 wannabe1987 .cookie zozo
22:55 BotSteve Here you go, zozo, I baked you a lemon sugar cookie!
22:56 Zozoious thanks botsteve
22:56 BotSteve You're welcome, Zozoious
22:56 Istas Hah
23:06 wannabe1987 my computer/laptops "case" is cracking
23:06 HighMan .wa 7135*6.022*10^23
23:06 BotSteve 7135 6.022&times;10^23;4296697000000000000000000000;4.296697&times;10^27
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23:09 egrsteve hmm, food then lab
23:10 wannabe1987 food!
23:11 Monkeh LAB!
23:12 tlockley gah, now im hungry
23:12 tlockley also why is it so hard to get install images for USB
23:16 masterofmonks Install images of?
23:16 tlockley currently, debian/kFreeBSD
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23:17 tlockley mostly just getting pissed off at the apple diskutility
23:17 SarahM joined #thegeekgroup
23:17 tlockley before 10.7 iso to usb was easy
23:20 HighMan Hi SarahM
23:21 SarahM god is you
23:21 HighMan ...
23:21 SarahM god its* you
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23:27 HighMan ...
23:28 HighMan So nice to see you SarahM.
23:28 Druidic_Rifleman hey wannabe was AFK
23:28 wannabe1987 ahhh ok
23:28 wannabe1987 jw
23:29 Serostern argh
23:32 wannabe1987 SarahM
23:37 Druidic_Rifleman Hey monks
23:38 Druidic_Rifleman ? i need a valve for a hybrid rocket motor
23:38 Druidic_Rifleman for filling the NOS tank
23:39 HighMan .c12*53
23:39 HighMan .c 12*53
23:39 BotSteve 636
23:40 Druidic_Rifleman I wanna celtic round shield hmmmms
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23:47 wannabe1987 hi astro73|alice_
23:48 * wannabe1987 has legos
23:48 tlockley angy: im mid install of kfreebsd, i assume UFS is fine for my OS drive(s)
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23:52 tlockley wb jeff
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23:54 * HighMan Hammer nails in like a BOSS!
23:56 Seroster IS schellack only soluble in methanol, or can you dissolve it in ethanol too?

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