Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-03-02

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00:09 Seroster Seen a lot of can crushers on youtube, but this one takes the price for brute force! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmgIRizmQKw&feature=related
00:09 BotSteve Title: can crusher - YouTube
00:22 tonsofpcs when is hhr?
00:23 epictang0 happy hour?
00:23 epictang0 right now of course
00:23 Monkeh Mmmm, nixie thermometer..
00:23 tonsofpcs eadthem: i got a complaint about tech issues of that show airing today... from a voewer of a dofferent station
00:26 Cprossu hey there epictang0
00:26 BotSteve cprossu: I have the following messages for you:
00:26 BotSteve At 01 Mar 19:15Z, Batsteve asked me to tell cprossu that retort has now been implemented
00:26 Cprossu and/or PacketHumper
00:26 Cprossu BotSteve: tell BatSteve thanks
00:26 BotSteve Cprossu: I'll pass that on when Batsteve is around.
00:26 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132016
00:26 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Rosewill RSV-S8 SATA 3G 2.5" & 3.5" HDD 8-Bay RAID 0/1/5/10/5+spare/Spanning/JBOD Storage Enclosure System with 120mm cooling fan/ Port Multipl[...]
00:27 Cprossu ^ surprisingly enough it's got a delta psu
00:27 PacketHumper who what?
00:27 PacketHumper wow.... me want.
00:27 tonsofpcs 8 bay jbod?
00:28 epictang0 i picked up 10 of the 8TB WD DX4000s
00:28 PacketHumper not bad but what's the raid card....
00:28 PacketHumper oh god.
00:28 epictang0 i bought them for the drives
00:28 PacketHumper at least it's si
00:28 Cprossu lol I wouldn't use that raid card heh
00:28 Cprossu it's a bonus
00:28 PacketHumper well it's not a bad raid card.
00:29 PacketHumper but it's no lsi or 3ware
00:29 Cprossu true.
00:29 Cprossu no kidding
00:29 PacketHumper though depending on the connecting cable.... i can use that on my lsi
00:29 tonsofpcs wait, what are the connectors on the back?
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00:29 Monkeh Cprossu: The cheapout of using an off the shelf ATX supply, though.. :P
00:29 Cprossu just ignore that, we'll call it cheapesata rofl
00:29 Cprossu Monkeh at least it's a Delta
00:30 tehdark45 lol I am in a midterm
00:30 PacketHumper yay but it's an easily replaceable psu
00:30 Monkeh Cprossu: True, it's of reasonable quality.
00:30 Cprossu the sans digital is some weird no name
00:30 PacketHumper if it wasn't off the shelf then it would suck even more
00:30 Monkeh Cprossu: I have two Sans Digital enclosures.
00:30 Monkeh Cprossu: Different model PSUs in them, just generic caged 5/12V supplies, but the enclosures are nice.
00:30 Cprossu CFI power supplies
00:30 PacketHumper dammit it's just a standard esata connector
00:30 Cprossu yeah it would be
00:31 Cprossu you can't expect more for that cheap
00:31 Monkeh It's also a PMP enclosure which makes it slow.
00:31 Cprossu and I haven't found a cheap source of port multipliers
00:31 Monkeh Great for storage. Not so great for writing to said storage.
00:31 PacketHumper oh god... i got an adapter cable made for dell perc controllers
00:31 Monkeh Cprossu: That's basically identical to a Sans Digital one mind.
00:31 PacketHumper speed doesn't matter when it's just a dump site for backups.
00:31 Cprossu PacketHumper do you know of a cheap source of port multipliers?
00:32 Monkeh Cprossu: Even got that hilariously bad fan with the pointless internal grill.
00:32 Cprossu we can put a real fan on it Monkeh
00:32 Monkeh Cprossu: Do so.
00:32 PacketHumper i take them out of junked machines.
00:32 Cprossu we will it's only like $12
00:32 Monkeh Cprossu: I recommend cutting the grill out the back, too.
00:32 Cprossu lol
00:32 PacketHumper if you are putting a cooling fan in and don't care about noise use a delta
00:32 Cprossu hey I am just building a parts list clicked on roswill, the crap of the crap
00:32 Cprossu and was surprised
00:33 Cprossu if I put delta's in that machine I'll get slaughtered
00:33 Cprossu even I know that
00:33 Monkeh Cprossu: Some of their stuff isn't too shabby.
00:33 Cprossu panaflo's are going in there
00:33 PacketHumper lol
00:33 PacketHumper they will take your finger off.
00:33 Cprossu indeed they will =)
00:33 tonsofpcs Cprossu: is that just an enclosure w.psu and sata 'splitters'
00:33 tonsofpcs ?
00:33 Monkeh I use Yate Loon.
00:33 Cprossu tonsofpcs go look for those sata splitters
00:33 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Port multipliers, yes.
00:33 Cprossu they are god damn expensive.
00:33 Monkeh They're hard to find, in weird formats, and outrageous prices.
00:34 tonsofpcs Cprossu: uh...
00:34 tonsofpcs brb
00:34 Monkeh If you know what you're doing you can make your own (the actual chips can be sourced relatively easily), but you do need to know what you're doing.
00:34 Cprossu I could probably get away with using these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705002
00:34 PacketHumper hence why i take them out of pc's and such that don't need them.
00:34 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Rexus NMB-MAT (Panaflo) 120mm Case Fan
00:34 Cprossu not being murdered PacketHumper
00:34 Monkeh PacketHumper: PMPs?
00:34 Monkeh Cprossu: Have a google for Yate Loon fans.
00:34 Monkeh Cprossu: They're cheap but good.
00:34 Cprossu hell if I really wanted to use a good fan
00:35 PacketHumper brb horse wants to go out.
00:35 Cprossu I'd use PAPST, not the beer
00:35 PacketHumper http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215317
00:35 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - RAIDAGE DAGE840DEBK-2MS Configured by Host Controller 8 3.5" Drive Bays miniSAS (SFF8088) Trayless Hotswap Tower
00:35 PacketHumper that one is a direct connect to my lsi raid card
00:36 Cprossu I also can't see who built the power supply
00:36 Cprossu sleve bearing fans too
00:37 Cprossu *sleeve
00:37 Monkeh Don't get anything using fans <120mm.
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00:37 Cprossu power supply looks like a castaway AT power supply I may add
00:37 Monkeh Cprossu: I have two of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816111177
00:37 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Sans Digital 4 Bay eSATA Port Multiplier JBOD Tower Storage Enclosure (no eSATA Card bundle) TR4M+BNC
00:38 Monkeh Cprossu: Opened the fan up to 92mm, fitted half decent ones. Bit of velcro and I've got filters in them too.
00:39 tonsofpcs http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
00:39 BotSteve Title: Backblaze Blog » Petabytes on a Budget v2.0:Revealing More Secrets
00:39 tonsofpcs $50 per splitty
00:39 Cprossu we're not kludging this one together unless we build it ourselves with extruded aluminum
00:39 Monkeh Cprossu: No excessive kludging required :P
00:39 Cprossu and if you show chris that link tonsofpcs I'll kill you
00:41 tonsofpcs Cprossu: oh, i'm not suggesting you build those.  poor design.
00:41 Cprossu although tonsofpcs
00:41 Cprossu that was written
00:41 tonsofpcs not hotswappable.
00:41 Cprossu when 3tb hdd's were $120 a pop?!
00:41 Monkeh Cprossu: Buuh.. only when bought in bulk.
00:42 Cprossu 45 wouldn't be bulk enough
00:42 tonsofpcs Cprossu: they bpught pallets of hdds
00:42 Cprossu (the flood fucked a lot of things up)
00:42 Cprossu Tim Nufire July 20, 2011
00:42 Monkeh Cprossu: No kidding. You'd have to buy quite a few hundreds.
00:42 Cprossu ^ before flood.
00:42 Monkeh Cprossu: They're $240 on Newegg right now.
00:42 Monkeh Even BEFORE the flood those drives would be $160 or more
00:43 Cprossu 160 to 120 is easier than $240 to $120
00:43 Monkeh Yep.
00:43 Cprossu a $40 discount per drive if buying a literal shit ton I can see
00:43 Cprossu a $120 discount per drive, rofl.
00:43 epictang0 using regular drives for a raid application is just silly...we did that that once here...and wound up replacing 60% of the drives within a year
00:43 epictang0 never again
00:43 Cprossu lol what specific drive?
00:44 Cprossu (wonders if it was one of the first runs of chinese seagates)
00:44 epictang0 we went throught seagates and wd
00:44 epictang0 it didnt seem to matter much
00:44 epictang0 i have a whitepaper we presented somewhere around here..
00:44 Cprossu rofl
00:44 Monkeh epictang0: Well, I've gone 8 months without anything going pop so far.
00:45 Monkeh But it does depend exactly what your application is.
00:45 Cprossu you're not using it for enterprise data though right Monkeh?
00:45 Monkeh 'RAID' can mean many things.
00:45 epictang0 Monkeh: your 4 disk enclosure is beans compared to the storage we have here
00:45 Cprossu nor is chris.
00:45 Monkeh If it's just bulk storage it's not an issue. If it's heavy database access..
00:45 epictang0 the enterprise drives are the bees kness
00:45 epictang0 knees
00:45 * tonsofpcs has 'bulk' non-db storsge....
00:45 Monkeh epictang0: They're exactly the same thing.
00:46 epictang0 Monkeh: no...they arent
00:46 Monkeh epictang0: Physically they are, they're just binned.
00:46 tonsofpcs mind you, realtime video makes dbs look like a joke.
00:46 Monkeh It's all in the firmware, really. They just make it amazingly awkward to change it.
00:47 epictang0 not really...my enterprise drives have 64MB cache...the regular drives 32 max
00:47 Monkeh epictang0: And that's one chip.
00:47 Monkeh My computer has 4GB RAM. Wait, no, now it has 2GB, I removed a stick.
00:47 epictang0 ok...I will pull one and post pics...I have both on hand
00:48 epictang0 they are not the same...
00:48 tonsofpcs the thermal characteristics are different as well.
00:48 Cprossu wow that sucks
00:48 tonsofpcs ?
00:48 epictang0 tonsofpcs: precisely...
00:48 Cprossu when did seagate pull the warranty on the constallation drives to 3 years?
00:48 Monkeh Cprossu: Everyone's cutting their warranty.
00:49 Cprossu jerks.
00:49 epictang0 Cprossu: long time again...that was a dell push
00:49 epictang0 ago
00:49 Monkeh Cprossu: Seagate cut all theirs a while back, at the same time WD extended theirs to 5 years.
00:49 Cprossu figures, they ruin everything
00:49 Monkeh Cprossu: Strangely enough, Seagate did that after they released the 7200.11s.
00:49 Monkeh Cursed drives.
00:49 Cprossu my 7200.12 has a 5 year warranty
00:49 tonsofpcs mind you, you can also get better service terms on enterprise drives
00:49 tonsofpcs they keep more spares from lots, etc.
00:50 Monkeh Cprossu: Yes, they were coming out with those just as the .11s started being real problems.
00:50 Cprossu then again I have one of the .11's that supposedly had a problem
00:50 Cprossu no problems so far
00:50 Monkeh Cprossu: I have both. The 7200.12 is physically identical to the various .11s I have, and the firmware is fairly dodgy.
00:50 Cprossu (750gb 7200.11)
00:50 Cprossu no real issues
00:52 Cprossu so who's making the best enterprise class drives currently then epictang0?
00:53 Cprossu at this moment anyway
00:54 epictang0 wd
00:55 Cprossu and where's a good supplier for these
00:55 Cprossu \?
00:55 Cprossu RE4's I am guessing?
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00:56 Cprossu because $460 a pop for 2tb's is not worth it
00:56 Monkeh Cprossu: Buying HDDs right now in general is not worth it. Funnily enough, though, you've just seen why I run the consumer drives.
00:57 Monkeh Cprossu: 2.5x the price tag for a firmware change and some binning..
00:57 Cprossu it would be one thing if it were a $100 premium, but a $350 premium per drive I cannot justify
00:58 Monkeh Cprossu: This is why I run GPs, not RE4-GPs.
00:59 epictang0 this is why I bought 10 of the DX4000s
00:59 epictang0 4x enterprise drives
00:59 epictang0 and get the enclosure for free
00:59 epictang0 acutlaly
00:59 epictang0 i get one of the drives for free too
00:59 epictang0 cause i am getting them for 1200
00:59 Monkeh epictang0: That is kinda neat.
01:00 Monkeh epictang0: I have essentially the same thing as my storage server.
01:00 Cprossu ahhhh I see now
01:00 Monkeh Except mine doesn't have a pretty little LCD display
01:00 epictang0 i wasnt buying them for the lcd display
01:00 Monkeh (okay, or USB 3 (not that I need it) or dual gigabit ethernet ports)
01:00 epictang0 however
01:00 epictang0 they are fun little boxes
01:00 Monkeh epictang0: I have an HP Microserver. Love it.
01:01 Monkeh Flexible little boxes.
01:01 Cprossu so basically you're still looking at $300 a pop for the 2tb's
01:02 epictang0 i have had 4 of the enterprise wd drives fail on me in 3 years
01:02 Monkeh epictang0: Are those RE4s or RE4-GPs?
01:02 epictang0 compared to 100+ of regular (blue or black)
01:02 Cprossu they are GP Monkeh
01:02 epictang0 GP
01:02 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236013
01:02 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Western Digital Sentinel DX4000 8TB Sentinel Small Office Storage Server
01:03 Cprossu and you get a dual core atom sbc to play with which is kinda fun
01:03 Cprossu I bet it would make a decent little router =P
01:03 Monkeh epictang0: Now, I don't know about the current gen, but at least a gen or two ago they were identical to the consumer drives, only firmware difference. Quite a few people were flashing RE4-GP firmware on them.
01:04 Monkeh They've cracked down on that lately though, they don't like people not paying the price tag..
01:04 epictang0 Monkeh: there is a weight difference too...where that weight lies..i dont know
01:04 Monkeh Thankfully I don't actually need TLER for my setup
01:04 Cprossu issue I have with that is it would screw with your warr right?
01:05 Monkeh Cprossu: Assuming the drive is in operatign state for them to find out, yes.
01:05 Monkeh epictang0: That may be as simple as a denser case or some weights to reduce vibration in hard mount setups.
01:05 epictang0 all i know, is that i have a 99.95% SLA I have to maintain with my customers...
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01:06 epictang0 it sint worth it for me to skimp
01:06 Monkeh Assuming their spec page is telling the truth.. I've known Seagate's datasheets to lie through their teeth.
01:06 Cprossu ignore any spec sheet
01:06 Cprossu they don't know what they are doing
01:06 Monkeh Cprossu: Most amusing thing is seeing the wrong dimensions :)
01:06 Joe248 Greetings TGG
01:06 epictang0 I have a major client whose downtime costs in the neighborhood of 10M/hr
01:06 epictang0 i dont want that on my ass
01:06 Cprossu Monkeh: you should see car's service manuals
01:06 Cprossu hah hahahaha
01:07 Monkeh Cprossu: I have.
01:07 Monkeh Cprossu: I use Haynes manuals. They're not written from memory, they're written as people strip the vehicle down and work on it for themselves.
01:07 Cprossu those things suck
01:07 Cprossu I mean the fsm's
01:07 Cprossu Haynes/Chilton = not worth their weight in poop.
01:08 epictang0 depending on the year, I have the snap on dealer guides
01:08 Monkeh Cprossu: I've not had any issues with Haynes manuals for the vehicles I've worked on.
01:08 Cprossu (though I am told that the bently haynes/chilton manuals are somwehat better)
01:08 Cprossu I really hate haynes manuals
01:08 Monkeh Cprossu: On the other hand, not one of those vehicles were ever manufactured for sale in the US in anything even remotely like their original configuration.
01:08 Cprossu "Hey we took this apart, we thing it does this"
01:08 Cprossu the wiring in haynes is the worst
01:08 Cprossu totally the worst
01:09 Monkeh Cprossu: I've found that varies wildly on vehicle.
01:09 Cprossu that's not ture Monkeh
01:09 Cprossu the factory manuals generally are good
01:09 Monkeh But I don't trust wiring in cars to be anything like it's supposed to be.
01:09 Cprossu in the US
01:09 Cprossu and dead on
01:09 Cprossu but when you have a 1/2 model year change
01:09 Cprossu there's no telling
01:10 Monkeh I have not seen one car over 6 years old with original, unmodified wiring.
01:10 Cprossu come here I'll show you 3
01:10 Monkeh Cprossu: No, my point is, not one of the vehicles I've worked on was ever sold in the US as it was here.
01:10 Cprossu ahhh
01:11 Monkeh Cprossu: Haynes manuals for US vehicles and US models are not the same as EU ones.
01:12 Monkeh Modern cars are a lot closer, but you go back into the 90s and earlier and they're totally different vehicles if they're even available in the EU and US..
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01:14 tonsofpcs ugh
01:16 epictang0 well that was fun...
01:16 epictang0 wife0 was giving kid0 a bath...tub wouldent drain...so she decided to wack the handle to the drain to dislodge it
01:16 epictang0 broke the linkage...
01:16 epictang0 fml
01:17 Monkeh epictang0: Plumbing adventures are never fun.
01:17 Cprossu lol.
01:17 Cprossu that's not true, they can be very fun
01:17 tonsofpcs speaking of thermal hdd issues.... i think i know why my hdd disappeared on vista
01:17 Cprossu and sometimes humerous
01:17 Monkeh Cprossu: Err, well, my current ones aren't.
01:17 Cprossu I prefer supply side though =P
01:17 epictang0 Cprossu: which is why i hire that out...
01:17 epictang0 i will do electrical all day long
01:17 Cprossu haha
01:17 epictang0 f everything about plumbing
01:18 Monkeh Cprossu: Today, in plumbing adventures: removing and cleaning a damaged pan gasket so I can obtain a replacement.
01:18 Cprossu ewwwwww
01:18 Cprossu not fun
01:18 Monkeh Cprossu: Yeah. Big, nasty, 30 year old rubber thing with dried shit all over it.
01:18 epictang0 f that
01:18 Cprossu again. not fun.
01:18 epictang0 which is why i hire that out
01:18 Cprossu drain side it's never fun.
01:18 Cprossu ever.
01:18 epictang0 old shit...not for me
01:18 Monkeh Cprossu: How about cutting microbore pipe on my central heating.
01:18 Monkeh Cprossu: With an entire house of head on top of it and a whole lot of iron oxide.
01:19 Cprossu will you inhale all the dust for me Monkeh?
01:19 Monkeh Cprossu: What dust?
01:19 Monkeh Cprossu: Totally wet and spraying in my face as soon as I made it through the copper.
01:19 Monkeh Cprossu: Black water.
01:19 Cprossu lol.
01:19 Cprossu we ran galvanized piping
01:20 Cprossu if you want to talk about suck
01:20 Monkeh Cprossu: Ffffuuuuuuuuuu
01:20 Cprossu had our house redone in copper in literally 5 hours
01:20 Monkeh What sort of lunatic intentionally puts steel of any form in contact with water?
01:20 Cprossu it lasted 55 years
01:20 Monkeh I don't CARE if it's galv, YOU DON'T INTENTIONALLY MAKE IT WET!
01:20 Cprossu to it's credit
01:21 Cprossu at least it wasn't lead Monkeh
01:21 epictang0 meh...we ran pex when we did our remodel...not a fuck was given
01:21 Monkeh Cprossu: Lead isn't as bad as they want you to believe.
01:21 Cprossu heated it sure is
01:21 Cprossu remember where I live
01:21 Monkeh Okay, yes, it's bad, but good quality lead pipe doesn't add that much lead to the water..
01:22 Monkeh epictang0: Not a huge fan of plastic pipework, personally..
01:22 tonsofpcs nickel != steel
01:22 Cprossu I really like the distribution of pex though
01:22 Monkeh epictang0: So long as you didn't make any joints under the floor..
01:22 Cprossu have a leak? go shut it the fuck off!
01:23 epictang0 it makes it a dream for orgainization guys liek me...my house plumbing is organized liek my racks...
01:23 Monkeh You can do that with copper.
01:23 epictang0 right
01:23 Monkeh It just takes actual effort. :P
01:23 Cprossu and hopefully away from them epictang0 heh heh heh
01:23 epictang0 no water in the server room
01:24 epictang0 i take that back
01:24 epictang0 it runs outside
01:24 lwq1996 http://www.stickam.com/producer_bill
01:24 BotSteve Title: producer_bill | Stickam
01:24 Monkeh The trick with plastic is not to make any joints under the floor at all.
01:24 Monkeh And of course to properly secure it
01:24 epictang0 Monkeh: yep...the sharkbite fittings are solid too...i didnt use the crimp ones
01:24 Monkeh epictang0: There's a problem with those fittings.
01:24 Monkeh The seal is performed by a rubber o-ring.
01:24 Monkeh They do not have unlimited lifetime.
01:25 epictang0 they fixed that
01:25 epictang0 the seal is PTFE or something
01:25 egrsteve I wonder what victrolic uses as a seal media
01:26 egrsteve *Victaulic
01:26 epictang0 I just looked inside one i had chlling on my desk
01:27 epictang0 the seal isnt rubber (black)...it is white
01:27 Monkeh Hmm, interesting.
01:27 Monkeh .. can still be rubber, mind you, but there's no reason to change the colour
01:27 HighMan Hi...
01:27 Monkeh They don't sell those over here, they're all rubber o-rings.
01:28 Monkeh Which work fine, I just utterly refuse to trust them for the lifetime of an installation.
01:28 epictang0 are you talking the plastic ones or the brass ones?
01:28 Monkeh epictang0: Either, although brass is almost unheard of over here.
01:28 epictang0 I have the brass ones...
01:28 epictang0 they are beefy..
01:28 Monkeh They do exist but nobody really uses them because they're six times the price and don't offer any advantages.
01:28 epictang0 i would rust them...
01:28 epictang0 trust
01:28 tonsofpcs epictang0: house plumbing organized?? how so?
01:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Manifolds at a guess.
01:29 epictang0 tonsofpcs: pex
01:29 Monkeh Which is the correct way to handle plastic, you don't go teeing off under floors at random
01:29 epictang0 manifolds make for beautiful distribution
01:29 Monkeh With copper, though, I'll trust a properly made solder joint for a very, very long time.
01:30 epictang0 the price diff is huge tho
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01:30 Monkeh This is true
01:30 epictang0 i dont think we will have this house much beyond 10-15 years..
01:30 Monkeh On the other hand, retrofitting plastic makes no sense in an existing installation
01:31 epictang0 Monkeh: we bought this house as a foreclosure...the asshats that owned it before me ripped all the copper out
01:31 Monkeh epictang0: A great opportunity to start over and do it right.
01:31 Monkeh In copper. Like a man. :P
01:31 epictang0 Monkeh: well it seems you have the freetime...come on over...
01:31 epictang0 lol
01:31 Monkeh epictang0: heh.
01:32 Monkeh epictang0: I figure I'll have problems getting my torch on a plane.
01:32 epictang0 i have one of those...i use it as a grill lighter...
01:32 epictang0 for my massively oversized charcoal grill
01:33 epictang0 10 slabs of ribs...no problem
01:33 tonsofpcs μmmmmmμ
01:34 epictang0 damnit
01:34 epictang0 i want ribs now
01:34 Monkeh Well done
01:34 Monkeh Well, I don't have ribs.. but I do have a steak and stilton pasty.
01:35 epictang0 i have steak too...my butcher gave me some massive delmonicos with my last order...
01:35 epictang0 they are like 2" thick
01:36 epictang0 and what is silton pasty?
01:36 epictang0 bread? we dont need no bread
01:37 Monkeh epictang0: Stilton is a cheese.
01:37 Monkeh epictang0: This is a pasty: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Cornish_pasty.jpeg
01:37 epictang0 by God...you are disgracing that steak
01:38 epictang0 lol
01:38 Monkeh epictang0: Nope. :P
01:38 Monkeh Don't condemn the humble pasty if you have never had one.
01:39 epictang0 steak is made to be enjoyed with a baked potato and mushrooms on top
01:39 Cprossu tonsofpcs: still no dice on the broadcast forum
01:39 eadthem why would someone put fungus on a steak
01:39 epictang0 and i will stab the next person that puts steak sauce on a steak in my presence
01:40 eadthem and you shuld not need steak sauce
01:40 epictang0 that is what the blood is for
01:40 Monkeh epictang0: This is a different sort of steak for a different sort of meal. ;P
01:40 Monkeh epictang0: Also, this is working food.
01:41 eadthem o and A1 dose not count as steak sauce   its way better
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01:41 epictang0 eadthem: i will cut you
01:42 eadthem thats ok   if you saw how i cooked steaks     you would do more than cut me
01:42 eadthem 24 hours at 57.5 degrees C
01:42 epictang0 if it isnt mooing while on the plate...
01:42 eadthem and it comes out very pink
01:42 epictang0 we are good then
01:42 eadthem fully pasturuised
01:43 epictang0 i cant stand when people make charred pucks out of a good steak
01:43 eadthem compleatly tender  even if you just slice up a chuck roast
01:44 eadthem accualy i found that the most tender and tasty i have gotten has been steaks sliced from a chuck roast
01:44 Cprossu a1 is sugar, ketchup, and corn syrup =P
01:44 eadthem no
01:45 eadthem its oranges salt and some sugar
01:45 Cprossu real men use lee & perrins
01:45 epictang0 dont make me go to the fridge
01:46 eadthem http://thepauperedchef.com/images/2009/12/pc-sousvidesteak-1.jpg
01:46 eadthem epictang0  that about right for ya?
01:47 epictang0 looks good to me
01:48 eadthem thats a chuck roast someone sliced to steaks and did sous vide for 24 hours
01:49 eadthem of corse they pre seared the outside for about 20 seconds
01:51 eadthem my only issue witch i intend to fix once i get a house is   searing the outside
01:51 eadthem you cant do it enough to get it looking good on the outside without cooking the inside
01:51 Seroster cya peeps
01:51 eadthem so i intend to make a flame brazer
01:52 eadthem you have to get extreamly high heat    if i take my cast iron skilit up to the smoke point thats almost hot enough
01:53 epictang0 i love my cast iron stuff
01:53 eadthem same
01:53 epictang0 sadly i only use it when I have to get shit done...like my cajun chicken
01:53 eadthem there way better at everything including high heat than teflon  but   there not good enough
01:54 eadthem easyer to clean  easer to use     better nonstick ...
01:55 eadthem i still think a row of about 12 propane torches on top and bottom   and a rack to go thrue it would be the best senario for pre or post searing sous vide   as it just dosent taste as good without the outer layer with a tiny bit of charring on the corner
01:55 eadthem i mean i want the corners and protrusions to be crispy
01:55 eadthem not ash
01:55 Cprossu BitViper-iHurt is zozo around?
01:56 smart78aleck Cprossu: you need zozo?
01:57 Cprossu ahh yNos you got a new name?
01:57 Cprossu http://www.mountainmods.com/computer-cases-ascension-duality-c-21_86.html
01:57 BotSteve Title: MountainMods.com-Computer Cases-Ascension Duality
01:57 Cprossu ^ damn zozo, got chris all boney on his case
01:57 Cprossu now I need to spend more money on chris lol
01:57 Cprossu *or rather spend more of chris's money*
01:59 epictang0 another one bites the dust...funny BGP flaps coming from DISA
01:59 epictang0 oops
01:59 epictang0 wrong chan
01:59 epictang0 lol
01:59 eadthem http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2714&amp;product_name=Centurion%205
01:59 Cprossu rofl
01:59 BotSteve Title: Centurion 5 - Cooler Master
02:00 eadthem still say  thats the best case ive seen
02:00 Cprossu it's a decent case
02:00 Cprossu cheap too
02:00 eadthem entire front is punched mesh with black foam filter behind it
02:00 Cprossu I am aware
02:00 Cprossu built many machines around it
02:00 eadthem its the only thing that can withstand my dads shop
02:01 eadthem he can just take a shopvac to the front once a week and its good to go
02:01 Cprossu I mean zozo showed chris a case that holds 2 motherboards
02:01 Cprossu ...
02:01 Cprossu and now I doubt he'll accept anything less
02:02 eadthem LOL
02:02 egrsteve 2 MBs 16 HDs
02:02 egrsteve 64 GB ram each
02:02 Cprossu shadup egrsteve
02:02 Cprossu you're not helping!
02:02 egrsteve i know
02:02 eadthem he could build that case for about 100$ or less at TGGLSL
02:02 Cprossu I think the stoarage is going into another box though
02:02 Cprossu eadthem
02:02 Cprossu I have an evil plan
02:03 Cprossu it involves diamondplate and extruded aluminum
02:03 egrsteve lots of esata cables between boxes?
02:03 Cprossu but until I do that I need a backup plan
02:03 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I can one-up you on the two motherboards. :P
02:03 Cprossu egrsteve: extruded aluminum dual motheboard industrial case with allen bradley buttons.
02:03 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: How about a motherboard which is two computers?
02:04 eadthem well your plans ar crushed becuase captanBoden is in the room right now  :p
02:04 epictang0 i want 1 petabyte of SSD
02:04 epictang0 and a toaster
02:04 eadthem got ya
02:04 egrsteve Cprossu: rackmount with loop handles
02:04 egrsteve epictang0: a video toaster?
02:04 epictang0 egrsteve: no a real toaster
02:04 Cprossu no eadthem.... An idea is like a virus, resilient, highly contagious. The smallest seed of an idea can grow. It can grow to define or destroy you.
02:04 epictang0 i like my toast
02:05 eadthem sounds like my MMO project
02:05 eadthem virus like   check     could distroy my life   check     could redefin my main occupation    check
02:06 Cprossu also eadthem I don't see any CaptainBodens in the room do you? =D
02:06 eadthem :p
02:06 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I think it was Biostar who was prototyping a board which supported a small Atom or ARM (can't recall) system on it as well as the main LGA775 system
02:06 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/itx/done/0103112351a.jpg http://final.servegame.com/public/itx/done/sideHdd.jpg http://final.servegame.com/public/itx/done/back.jpg
02:06 epictang0 hahah...microsoft thinks they are getting bare metal on my boxen for windows 8 preview...how cute
02:06 Cprossu Monkeh meh
02:06 Cprossu pfft
02:06 eadthem dual motherboard case
02:06 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: It was kinda cool.
02:06 Cprossu nah
02:06 Cprossu not at all
02:07 Monkeh|Lap I wanted one.
02:07 Cprossu I'd rather have a tegra2 built in
02:07 Monkeh|Lap I don't think they ever went on sale.
02:07 Cprossu or something ARM based
02:07 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: It may have been ARM.
02:07 Monkeh|Lap I don't recall exactly
02:07 eadthem even put a swing out HDD tray in it
02:08 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Ah, no, it was DFI.
02:08 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: P45 and an nVidia based Atom.
02:09 eadthem Cprossu how do you fit 2 motherboards in a double wide case
02:09 eadthem is one mounted BTX or upside down ?
02:09 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Bingo, one's inverted.
02:09 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap: so you mean Ion. (Atom with NV chipset)
02:09 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Yes.
02:09 Cprossu eithwe way not anything like what the power chris wants
02:09 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Ion, Atom, whatever ,it's an Atom CPU and an nVidargh chipset.
02:09 Monkeh|Lap (I refuse to deal with nVidia chipsets)
02:09 eadthem ya ile take my via edens over a atom anyday
02:10 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap: you don't remember the golden days of the VIA KT133
02:10 Cprossu or any of the older via chipsets
02:10 Cprossu when having the wrong 4in1 driver meant hdd corruption
02:10 * egrsteve wonders how a 16+ core arm system would do for rendering
02:10 eadthem golden days  i got a KT400 in this box atm
02:10 epictang0 egr....like shit?
02:10 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I'll take my Athlon II Neo.
02:10 Cprossu egrsteve you write the software, bill and kidwell will prototype the board
02:10 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I do.
02:11 eadthem Monkeh so would i   but  you go to consider what it dose
02:11 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I also well recall their inability to create a functional PCI bus.
02:11 eadthem 99% of the time   the router and server  both sit relitivly idle
02:11 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Something nVidia can't quite manage either.
02:11 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Same here. My Neo draws.. bugger all.
02:11 Cprossu nvidia seems to shit bricks at making usb bus too
02:11 Cprossu after the Nforce2 it was all downhill
02:12 eadthem the 1% is a software patch    or a update    or me beeing to lasy to wait for my main computer to unhibernate
02:12 Cprossu be back in a bit
02:12 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Yep, the complete lack of seperate OHCI hosts..
02:12 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I had an NF4.
02:12 eadthem both boards on a seasonic 300W  pull 50 watts from manes
02:12 eadthem mains      thats with older IDE hdds
02:12 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: I got very familiar with the extreme limitations of that chipset.
02:14 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: I would estimate my fileserver including both external HDD racks idles under 40W
02:14 eadthem not bad
02:14 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: My server a lot more, but it's a fairly beefy box which almost always has something going on.
02:15 eadthem my server and router  are 25W a peice
02:15 eadthem and i do use the router for backup storage
02:15 eadthem corse i dont have  HDD's
02:15 eadthem 1 per
02:15 eadthem that makes a diffrence
02:15 Monkeh|Lap Not bad. A bit limited on firepower for my OS of choice. :P
02:16 Monkeh|Lap There are 6 HDDs in the fileserver (I don't count the 2.5", it's.. pathetic) and 4 in the server.
02:16 eadthem oen day ile probably upgrade the server to RAID 5 and the router to a CF
02:16 Monkeh|Lap Which makes.. 17 going in there right now (other boxes, too)
02:16 Monkeh|Lap No, 18.
02:16 Monkeh|Lap 19 if you count the 2.5", I never do
02:17 eadthem i bet my 2.5 is smaller than your 2.5
02:17 Monkeh|Lap In capacity? Probably..
02:17 eadthem 60 MB    if you stick it in a 486 or older it shuld boot dos 6 rather easaly
02:17 Monkeh|Lap heh
02:17 Monkeh|Lap Yeah, mine's a wee bit bigger.
02:18 Monkeh|Lap 80GB.
02:18 eadthem meh   a fue zeros
02:18 Monkeh|Lap It's what I had.
02:18 eadthem still dont know what im going to do exactly for storage in the new computer
02:18 Monkeh|Lap it was a case of 'right, I need a 2.5" drive..' *grabs bag* 'Yep, that'll do.'
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02:19 eadthem atm i have a .5TB array
02:19 Monkeh|Lap Again, mine's.. bigger. :)
02:19 eadthem i bet
02:19 epictang0 mines bigger
02:19 epictang0 lol
02:19 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Quiet, you, you don't count.
02:19 epictang0 lol
02:19 eadthem anyhow i do have space issues at times
02:19 eadthem im thinking a 2TB array next
02:19 epictang0 nocwide we are pushing 3PB
02:19 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: So did I. Then I put an 8TB array together and they weren't an issue any more.
02:20 eadthem i dont want raid 1 due to the space loss    but i dont want raid 0 agan
02:20 eadthem altho  my raid 0 exeperence so far is  very uneventful
02:20 epictang0 ead...go raid 6
02:20 Monkeh|Lap I can see it being full by, say, end of 2013 at the latest
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02:20 eadthem whats 6   in comparison to 5
02:20 eadthem i need speed
02:20 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: You won't find it uneventful after a drive dies..
02:20 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Extra parity drive.
02:20 epictang0 can fail 2 drives
02:21 epictang0 and faster rebuilds
02:21 Monkeh|Lap Useful if one goes 'WTF ARRRRRRRGH *DEAD*' during a rebuild
02:21 eadthem k lets establish that if i have a rebuild event    it wont be fast
02:21 eadthem so thats not a priority
02:21 Monkeh|Lap Considering the time it takes to rebuild an array of this size, that can matter.
02:21 epictang0 i wouldent use 5 for anything greater than 1TB
02:21 eadthem ie  ile have to buy a extra drive
02:22 epictang0 it all comes down to, how much is your data worth to you
02:23 epictang0 if I lose my stuff...I know i am in deep shit
02:23 Monkeh|Lap In my case, enough to be worth the expensive and effort of an 8TB RAID-6 array
02:23 Monkeh|Lap But not worth the obscene expense of a seperate backup or a hardware controller
02:24 Monkeh|Lap ie. I don't really want to have to download 8TB of shit again but I'm not paying 8 times the price of a software RAID-6 to be absolutely certain I won't have to
02:24 Monkeh|Lap Although my little server has the flexibility to go hardware RAID (on an external enclosure) if I choose to, which is nice
02:24 epictang0 what about stuff you create and cant download?
02:25 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Anything I create which I want to keep gets kept lots of places.
02:25 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Generally it's small, and it finds its way into three or four machines at home, my VPS, my Google account..
02:25 epictang0 please dont say github....
02:25 epictang0 lol
02:25 eadthem im sorry i  must laugh at any time i see someone say  o well if 1 disk fails in raid 1   then  theres x chance of loosing data
02:25 Monkeh|Lap Why would I use github?
02:26 Monkeh|Lap I have my own VPS I can use.
02:26 epictang0 lol...just saying...some people think that is a viable backup strategy
02:26 eadthem in reality  if 1 disk fails in raid 1    thers very very little chance of loosing data
02:26 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: If I can't have my own secure off-site backup (with physical access) I spread the backup across as many locations as possible.
02:27 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: good plan...
02:27 eadthem what are the odds a disk will fail in a weeks shipping time
02:27 epictang0 eadthem: it happens
02:27 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: What are the odds it will fail during the rebuild?
02:27 eadthem same as normal use
02:27 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Low, but then you add more drives and the chances of a failure go up. And up. And up.
02:27 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: No, NOT the same as normal use.
02:27 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: A rebuild is non-stop load for many hours
02:27 epictang0 trying to find the stanford study....theirs was better than mine
02:27 eadthem sounds like my normal use
02:28 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Trust me, it's not.
02:28 epictang0 suddenly hitting a drive with full load for 60 hours will more than likely kill it
02:28 epictang0 after having it sit for a year at 1%
02:29 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: How to explain this.. Let's put you on high geared bicycle and tell you to pedal non-stop for an hour and maintain the same rate. You can't. That's your normal drive usage.
02:29 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: A rebuild is a constant speed motor for 12 hours. Consider the wear on the various parts.
02:29 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: that is on a small array...
02:29 epictang0 how long did your 8TB array take to build?
02:30 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Indeed. I don't recall the rebuild time on my 8TB array, but it was quite a bit more than that.
02:30 epictang0 probably like ~4-5 days
02:30 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: I don't think it was that long.
02:30 epictang0 hrmm..that is how long it took this DX4k to build...
02:31 * Cheezmo|Werk arrives home sore, yet alive
02:31 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Consider that I was starting with six zeroed drives, there may be optimisations in the md driver.
02:32 epictang0 true...
02:32 Monkeh|Lap Either way it took a while and every drive was being thrashed for the entire process
02:32 Monkeh|Lap WAY more aggressive than any actual disk IO
02:32 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Er, something to note is that I imagine the rebuild rate on that unit is limited by default (to avoid IO delay)
02:33 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: I uncapped mine for the build.
02:33 epictang0 if a drive is going to fail it will be either on initial build or rebuild...
02:33 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Or early in its life.
02:33 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: The majority of drive failures I've had have occured within 3 months, whether in an array or solo
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02:34 epictang0 my spreadsheet says failure within 3-6 months
02:34 epictang0 i have been keeping track since ~2009
02:34 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Sound about right.
02:34 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: I've only had one 'instant' failure, which was a Seagate which headcrashed in its first week..
02:34 Monkeh|Lap Ah, there it is
02:35 eadthem just thinking
02:35 Monkeh|Lap dev.raid.speed_limit_max = 200000
02:35 epictang0 and other spike ~1.5 years
02:35 eadthem ile probably do a 2TB raid 0 array
02:35 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Assuming those DX4000 units run Linux and you can actually get a console, check that during a build.
02:35 epictang0 eadthem: you have a deathwish
02:35 eadthem and buy a cheep 2TB drive that can do weekly backups
02:35 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: they run storage server
02:35 eadthem ie weekly mirrors
02:35 Monkeh|Lap I run a 'R'AID-0
02:36 Monkeh|Lap It's two proven 1.5TB units for, essentially, temporary storage
02:36 Toastdude .seen wannabe1987
02:36 BotSteve Toastdude: I last saw wannabe1987 17.35 hours ago at 2012-03-01 09:15:17 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:36:05 UTC
02:36 epictang0 i have a debian build i am playing with
02:36 Monkeh|Lap Torrents, downloads, and games go there.
02:36 Monkeh|Lap The games.. well, they're games. The saves are backed up weekly for the ones I care about
02:37 Monkeh|Lap The torrents get moved off to my storage array every week or two, and downloads.. well, I delete my entire downloads directory regularly.
02:37 Monkeh|Lap If it matters I move it out of there immediately
02:37 Monkeh|Lap Or it gets lost in the great piles
02:38 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: agreed...ISO files go directly to the san...
02:38 eadthem what i have on my .5TB array is   amazon unbox video     game files    programming projects
02:38 epictang0 i share em with the esxi boxen
02:38 eadthem game saves are backed up about 4 times a year to my server
02:38 eadthem programming sourcecode is backed up on compile to my server
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02:39 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Images, drivers, manuals, datasheets, etc, all get moved to the appropriate locations (first the RAID-5 on my workstation, then into my proper array at a later date) immediately on download
02:39 eadthem if i lost the array i would be down for a week  but i would not loose anything to concerning
02:39 Roadran422 Ok... So MD5 is unique to every file right?
02:39 eadthem in theory
02:39 Monkeh|Lap Roadran422: Theoretically.
02:39 eadthem there are such things as hash collisions
02:39 epictang0 631,538,175 IOs
02:39 epictang0 in one day
02:39 epictang0 wheeeeeeee
02:39 HighMan Then if it is, could we use it to repair/construct files?
02:40 eadthem where 2 diffrent inputs can result in the same hash
02:40 Monkeh|Lap I.. suppose so but it'd be amazingly slow.
02:40 eadthem MD5 would take the number of cycles * the number of posabiltys to fix damage
02:40 Monkeh|Lap You'd have to go through every permutation of every bit in the file.
02:40 HighMan I don't know just something that popped in my head. Also is it ironic for Cain and Abel to be under the category Security?
02:40 eadthem Monkeh  well only the damaged ones
02:40 Monkeh|Lap Which would, on any actual data, take longer than our sun will live
02:41 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: How do you know which are damaged?
02:41 HighMan xD
02:41 eadthem a HDD shuld tell you about damage before it starts going multisector
02:41 eadthem no guarntee
02:41 HighMan Super Computer time!
02:41 egrsteve its the same idea as brute forcing encryption
02:41 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: With LOTS more data.
02:41 egrsteve exactly
02:41 eadthem still your looking at 512,000 possable options for a 512KB cluster
02:41 eadthem err sector
02:42 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: Try running that on all 218GiB of my Stargate Atlantis collection. :D
02:42 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: You'll be there a VERY. LONG. TIME.
02:42 egrsteve and then a bit longer too
02:42 eadthem Monkeh  well its all assuming youve only lost 1 cluster
02:42 HighMan I have a 8gb flash drive that could 1. obtain passwords from school computers to admin 2. bypass all passwords on admin
02:42 eadthem more than 1 it becomes prohibitive quite quickly
02:42 egrsteve I am not sudgesting it was a good idea just mnaking a comparison
02:42 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: But my point is you don't know
02:42 eadthem yes
02:43 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I know :)
02:43 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: I already know how insane it is.. until quantum computers
02:43 HighMan Oh great. A geek feud I start with MD5 XD
02:43 eadthem unless the HDD is realy good about smart and its not something like a bering failure or a controller failure
02:43 egrsteve even then, we will have quantum data and the same problem ;)
02:43 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: 1: No it can't (I hope), 2: Not without people knowing really fast.
02:44 eadthem a better alternative would be to say make mini clusters of say 50KB   each with a CRC
02:44 HighMan Monkeh|Lap, Ok lol
02:44 eadthem thats 4 bytes for every 50KB extra   and   the data reagon is much smaller that you have to check
02:44 eadthem witch is starting to get how a hard drive realy dose error checking and correction
02:44 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: In other words, similar to the concept of large file distribution via split archives.
02:45 eadthem you still have the possiblty for a hash collsion in 50KB
02:45 eadthem accualy a lot of them
02:45 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: That's actually how things like bittorrent work.
02:46 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: The file is broken up into chunks which are individually hashed. Collisions occur but are rare (and generally spotted by a CRC/MD5 of the entire file)
02:46 eadthem ya the odds of a collsion on a md5 + crc is much lower than just 1 or the other
02:47 eadthem but still  youve only added a little bit to entropy
02:47 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Well I don't think it does both.
02:47 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: But if you get a collision on one chunk of a file, that doesn't make a collision on the _entire_ file.
02:47 eadthem not nessciarly
02:48 eadthem but still not likely there would be a collision
02:48 eadthem expecialy on 2 diffrent hashes
02:48 Monkeh|Lap So if you've got 50 parts, 1 of them is corrupt and is a hash collision, the odds of it also being a collision for the hash of the complete file are.. out there.
02:48 Monkeh|Lap Way, way out there to the point of it being essentially not worth caring about
02:48 epictang0 woot...
02:49 * epictang0 is going to have lunch with Adam Savage...
02:49 egrsteve lucky
02:49 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: Don't mention the cannon!
02:49 eadthem ya   possable but  someones got to hate you to make it happen
02:50 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Yes. That Someone.
02:50 egrsteve how do you get lunch with a savage?
02:50 eadthem i dont think i could go thrue lunch with ither 1 without saying  nice aim
02:51 epictang0 friend of a friend
02:52 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Tell me about it. Honestly I'm still amazed at how quickly that whole incident blew over.
02:52 egrsteve lucky you
02:52 epictang0 they are going to be in detroit march 16th
02:52 epictang0 i made a call
02:52 epictang0 lol
02:52 egrsteve shooting
02:52 eadthem give him a shrunken quarter
02:52 eadthem never know   might end up on the show in some way
02:52 egrsteve that would be cool
02:53 eadthem hey btw  has anyone conisderd putting a ISCAR tool thrue the shrinker
02:53 eadthem corse i know it wont affect that kind of metal much
02:53 Cheezmo eadthem: that would be a bit too big, and they're hardened steel, so they wouldn't change much if anything
02:53 eadthem but it could be a way for increasing hardness of tooling
02:54 Cheezmo heating and quencing is the best and easiest way of hardening, really
02:54 Cheezmo carbide steel doesn't need to much of that to start with anyways
02:55 egrsteve the geometry is not stablle enough when shrunk, and steel is not conductive enough, rubles?sp don't shrink either
02:55 Monkeh|Lap egrsteve: MOAR POWAH
02:55 egrsteve mark 5?
02:56 eadthem so it would take a magintude jump to even make much affect and still not realy that valuble for tools
02:56 eadthem still think thers got to be some use for it otehr than makeing compact money
02:57 egrsteve crimping coax?
02:57 egrsteve hydrolic hoses ect
02:57 eadthem i mean something that cant be done with a normal setup
02:57 eadthem hydralic hoses might be 1
02:58 epictang0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dfLkcTAR80
02:58 BotSteve Title: Pulp Shakespeare Hollywood Fringe - YouTube
02:58 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: There are, much more refined systems are used for forming over dies.
02:58 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: The same physics are even used for welding.
03:02 BitViper-iHurt that'd be sweet to have the MB's do a peice on the "myth of the shrunken quarter"
03:02 eadthem is there a mith
03:02 BitViper-iHurt some ppl seem to think its fake
03:03 eadthem some pepole are idiots
03:03 eadthem just saying
03:03 BitViper-iHurt heh, more than some
03:03 Monkeh|Lap BitViper-iHurt: That's because their understanding of physics is sorely lacking.
03:03 Monkeh|Lap .. and, frankly, coin crushing isn't even high energy physics
03:03 BitViper-iHurt Monkeh|Lap yeah and yeah
03:03 eadthem high impulse energy
03:04 Monkeh|Lap (okay, so it IS a lot of energy.. but it's not THAT much. Go talk to the people at CERN about that one)
03:04 eadthem ya its all impressive to say   its the ammount of energy that can power x ammount of homes
03:04 eadthem but in reality   only for a nanosecond
03:04 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Yeah, but it's only that for an instant.
03:05 eadthem show me 1 that has better than a 20% duty cycle and ile say   ya thats an impressive ammount of energy
03:05 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Technically, we each generate gravity. But it doesn't actually affect anything because it's a pathetically tiny effect.
03:05 eadthem yep
03:05 eadthem 4th grade science
03:06 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Not that anyone remembers.
03:07 BitViper-iHurt Monkeh|Lap : 4th grade science was like um ... *gets out calculator* ... like 30 years ago
03:07 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: the majority of people are too interested in what's fashionable, what music is 'in', who's putting out the most, and which drugs are more interesting lately..
03:07 Monkeh|Lap BitViper-iHurt: Yes, but you still remember some of the core fundamentals. :P
03:07 eadthem ya dont remind me
03:08 BitViper-iHurt Monkeh|Lap : are you sure about that ? LOL
03:08 Monkeh|Lap BitViper-iHurt: Well, okay, you I'm not so sure about.
03:08 BitViper-iHurt Monkeh|Lap : me either :)
03:08 eadthem no i doubt that    you ask 20 random pepole at where i work and the odds are good that  only 1 would comprehend that everything generates gravity
03:09 BitViper-iHurt and only 3 or 4 would know what gravity was
03:09 Monkeh|Lap BitViper-iHurt: Hell, does anyone? ;)
03:09 eadthem depends on to what degree you define it
03:10 Monkeh|Lap Still lots of things we don't know in lots of areas :)
03:11 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Here's one: Did you know we don't understand one of the key materials your house is built with?
03:11 eadthem makes logical sense
03:11 eadthem i would guess wood
03:11 eadthem depends on your definition of  understand
03:12 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Cement.
03:13 eadthem 2nd guess
03:13 eadthem agan  depends on what you define as understand
03:13 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: As I recall, although we have centuries of history and understand how it behaves, we don't actually know how it WORKS in the long time.
03:13 Monkeh|Lap s/time/term/
03:13 HighMan Night...
03:13 * HighMan Waits to screw with school computers
03:15 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Cement's weird. China produces more of it than anyone else, but unlike the rest of their exports.. it's expensive.
03:15 * HighMan Chucks a brick at lwq1996. Damn I missed. **Looks around** No anger management ;)
03:15 * lwq1996 hits highman
03:15 HighMan :P
03:15 Monkeh|Lap Children, please.
03:15 HighMan Mrs!!! He hit me! xD
03:15 Monkeh|Lap Go to bed.
03:15 HighMan Monkeh|Lap, It's his fb post :P
03:16 Monkeh|Lap What time is it over there?
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03:18 wannabe-late gah
03:18 wannabe-late my car died :/
03:18 wannabe-late zozo and jeff are on their way tho :D
03:18 wannabe-late .seen hhrlisa
03:18 BotSteve wannabe-late: I last saw hhrlisa 4.76 hours ago at 2012-03-01 22:33:05 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:18:34 UTC
03:19 * BitViper-iHurt waves at wannabe-late
03:25 lwq1996 how did it die wannabe
03:26 wannabe-late the fan wouldn't stop working after i shut it off earlier today, txt'd zozo, he said let it be, i'tll die, and they'll come jump it for me later (which would be after work).
03:26 wannabe-late gotta figure out why it wouldn't shut off....
03:27 wannabe-late .seen Cprossu_Laptop
03:27 BotSteve wannabe-late: I last saw Cprossu_Laptop 6.32 hours ago at 2012-03-01 21:08:01 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:27:00 UTC
03:27 wannabe-late hi BitViper-iHurt
03:28 Monkeh|Lap wannabe-late: Normally there's an overrun timer or temperature sensor which allows the engine to cool after being turned off. If it breaks or the relay welds, the fan keeps going.
03:28 Monkeh|Lap Should be fairly easy to fix
03:34 BatSteve Solution: disconnect the battery when you park the car. Saves your starter and also acts as an anti-theft device
03:34 BotSteve batsteve: I have the following messages for you:
03:34 BotSteve At 00:26Z, Cprossu asked me to tell batsteve thanks
03:35 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Yep, that works until you can get it fixed properly.
03:35 SparkyProjects I can never understand why electric fans need to keep running after the engine is turned off, there's no circulation of water, so it's only cooling the radiator.
03:35 SparkyProjects If you think about it, the old style of engine driven fans would stop, so ....
03:35 SparkyProjects If you have left the engine running while not moving for a long time the fan can run longer than what you may be used to, or if the water level is low
03:37 wannabe-late i dunno.  i thought about disconnecting the battery, but i was like late for work (between inservice and work)
03:37 wannabe-late and my knight(s) just showed up....bye
03:37 Monkeh|Lap wannabe-late: Bad for your battery to let it discharge, though ;)
03:37 Cprossu hey yNos am I showing up on bill's chat?
03:38 Cprossu I'm thinking it isn't
03:38 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Water will still circulate
03:38 SparkyProjects yeah through convection, but not as much as with the engine running
03:39 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: But some. And cooling things down is good for various reasons.
03:39 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: It's usually done with a thermostat, so..
03:40 SparkyProjects As i said, they never used to, and hardly had problems, most of the reason for electric fans was for when you are stuck in traffic etc
03:40 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Old engines never used to work like newer ones ;)
03:41 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Comparing an older engine with a modern one is a bit like comparing an AK47 and an M16. They both do the same job in drastically different ways.
03:42 SparkyProjects Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow
03:42 SparkyProjects Nope, still the same :P
03:42 SparkyProjects When you turn off the engine, it will cool down by itself
03:42 Sgt_Lemming http://thegeekgroup.org/forums/topic/captains-quarters-design-contest/page/4/
03:42 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group » Topic: Captain's Quarters Design Contest.
03:43 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: The engine temperature can actually increase when turned off, as there's no way for the energy to escape.
03:43 SparkyProjects I have an electric fan on my 3.9 discovery, only ever heard it run when stationary for a long time
03:43 Sgt_Lemming no, it can't Monkehk
03:43 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: And modern engines operate on much finer tolerances.
03:43 Sgt_Lemming there is no way for the temp to go up after you stop adding energy
03:43 SparkyProjects And stop with the pinging
03:44 Monkeh|Lap Why do you two get so worked up over normal IRC hilighting?
03:45 SparkyProjects Because it's annoying, it's like a young child going 'mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy,
03:46 Monkeh|Lap Right...
03:46 Sgt_Lemming BotSteve: tell dr_jkl there are some fun things going on with my forum account...
03:46 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: I'll pass that on when dr_jkl is around.
03:46 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: you have guts for making AK47 / M16 comparisons in a channel where Katemonster is
03:46 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: What? It's a valid comparison. Ish.
03:47 BatSteve I know, I'm just saying
03:47 Katemonster uh oh.
03:47 Monkeh|Lap You guys should spend time in some actually active channels, see how quickly you get used to hilighting in a normal manner..
03:48 Sgt_Lemming I'm in plenty of active channels Monkeh, I don't find it necessary to say the persons nick on every damned line
03:48 Katemonster Actually, I condone Monkeh's analogy.
03:48 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: It's habit from channels where quite regularly, ten lines can go past in the time it takes to type this.
03:48 Sgt_Lemming oh well, the point of it was still wrong Katemonster
03:49 Monkeh|Lap Those channels are quite easy to read
03:49 Katemonster :P I'm not weighing in on the engine debate.
03:49 Monkeh|Lap Oh come on, you're telling me a little carb engine from the 80s is anything like a modern fuel injected one?
03:50 Sgt_Lemming no, not saying that
03:50 Sgt_Lemming saying that the engine getting hotter after you stop adding energy kind of disobeys the laws of thermodynamics
03:50 BatSteve mostly I said that because I wanted an excuse to highlight Katemonster.  hi kate!  how have you been?
03:50 SparkyProjects Monkeh, i have a 3.9i, as i said above, my fan rarely runs
03:50 Katemonster Hi Steve!  I'm still alive.
03:50 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0
03:50 BotSteve Title: Guillaume Nery base jumping at Dean's Blue Hole, filmed on breath hold by Julie Gautier - YouTube
03:51 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: That's because it's controlled by a thermostat and it's not getting hot enough.
03:52 SparkyProjects exactly, so it doesn't get much hotter than my old 1300 Herald :P
03:52 SparkyProjects And it doesn't get hotter when i turn off the engine
03:52 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: That had nothing to do with the AK vs M16 comparison.
03:52 Sgt_Lemming doesn't matter
03:52 Monkeh|Lap And here, have a small quote
03:52 Monkeh|Lap "The two thermocouples with thermal mass associated with their construction, namely the clamp-
03:52 Monkeh|Lap on and the welded-on probe thermocouple registered lower temperatures, due to the forced
03:52 Monkeh|Lap convective cooling acting on the thermocouple sheathing. These two thermocouples also
03:52 Monkeh|Lap exhibited a delay in response and exhibited a significant temperature increase after the vehicle
03:52 Monkeh|Lap engine was turned off."
03:52 Sgt_Lemming it was still a stupid point
03:53 Sgt_Lemming "due to the forced convective cooling acting on the thermocouple sheathing." <--- key line in that quote
03:53 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: The forced convective cooling you've just removed by turning the fan off.. OH!
03:53 Sgt_Lemming it didn't get hotter, it registered a more accurate temperature because it was no longer being cooled
03:56 Sgt_Lemming that to me reads as the sensor was reading incorrectly low because of airfow over the sensor hosing, then the airflow was removed and it read the correct temperature
03:56 Monkeh|Lap It takes time for heat to spread from the hot areas of the engine to cooler ones which are also in active cooling paths. As soon as you remove the cooling, their temperatures will increase.
03:56 Sgt_Lemming it doesn't read as the engine magiacally got hooter
03:56 Sgt_Lemming hotter
03:57 Katemonster Incidentally, Lemon's engine is powered by hooters.
03:57 Sgt_Lemming yes, there may be some locallised temperature increase as the cooling system is no longer active, that is a function of the engine cooling down though. not getting hotter
03:57 Sgt_Lemming the engine overall CANNOT get hotter when it's turned off
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: But areas of it do get hotter.
03:59 Sgt_Lemming appear to get hotter, really it's just the temperature equalizing as it cools down
03:59 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: The temperature at that point either increases or it doesn't.
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03:59 Sgt_Lemming that's simplifying the problem far too much Monkeh
04:00 Monkeh|Lap Maybe, maybe not, but they clearly make the fan overrun on a thermostat for a reason.
04:00 Monkeh|Lap IF it needs to.
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04:01 Cprossu rofl
04:01 Monkeh|Lap And if you two are going to complain about highlighting, do me a favour and highlight the right nick.
04:01 Sgt_Lemming I never complained about it Monkeh
04:01 Monkeh|Lap You did
04:02 Sgt_Lemming I made a comment in support of SparkyProjects asking you not to, I didn't complain about it
04:02 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Go fetch whichever part failed, the relay or the thermostat, so I can smack him with it. :P
04:04 Monkeh|Lap I still don't see what the problem is, anyway. If you're looking at the page.. hey, an appropriate line is highlighted for you. If you're not.. hey, there's a little flashing button which lets you know someone has addressed you. You don't have to go look at it right away. And if the sound annoys you.. TURN IT OFF!
04:05 lwq1996 ok jeffs on, kelly should be coming in about now
04:05 lwq1996 .seen wanabe1987
04:05 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen wanabe1987 around.
04:05 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
04:05 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 18.84 hours ago at 2012-03-01 09:15:17 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:05:56 UTC
04:06 SparkyProjects I have the sound on for when someone needs to attract my attention if i'm not following the convo
04:06 astro73|alice awww sorry hhrlisa
04:06 Monkeh|Lap I never seem to have much issue seeing it flashing
04:07 Sgt_Lemming .t
04:07 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:07:02 GMT
04:07 * BatSteve forgot that .t did that.
04:07 BatSteve huh
04:07 Sgt_Lemming lol
04:07 Sgt_Lemming most of the commands do that
04:07 Sgt_Lemming .tfw
04:07 BotSteve 37 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Grand Rapids, MI!  'Even penguins are wearing jackets.'
04:08 Sgt_Lemming .weather
04:08 BotSteve Try .weather London, for example?
04:08 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: What, print the time? :P
04:08 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: no, print UTC time nicely formatted.
04:08 BatSteve .t utc
04:08 BotSteve 2012-03-02T04:08:25Z
04:08 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Ah
04:17 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/gallery/D8stb
04:17 BotSteve Title: Stunt Plane Tie - Imgur
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04:27 hopstafarian hi all
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04:36 astro73|alice debugging is a real pain sometimes
04:36 BatSteve Lice particularly
04:37 astro73|alice :P
04:37 astro73|alice no, i just discovered that i can't tell when it's using spdy, since the URL is still http
04:42 hopstafarian anyone have experience with building a beowulf cluster?
04:48 epictang0 hopstafarian: i do...but that was a looooooong time ago
04:54 epictang0 anyone running Proxmox in a production environment? as in > 100 machines
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04:56 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/gallery/HZymF
04:56 BotSteve Title: Sweet fuck... I had a lecture hall of 300+ laughing to this. - Imgur
04:58 epictang0 Sgt_Lemming: i have been there on the pooing end...not a good place too be...
04:59 epictang0 about 4 hours off of a mexico trip where the alcohol was still wearing off
05:00 epictang0 not to mention I am one of those brave souls that generally drink the water in whatever country i am in
05:01 epictang0 india, china, japan, france, italy, mexico, bolivia, iraq, afghanistan, korea
05:01 epictang0 drank the water...i am still here..
05:01 epictang0 and have a nuclear arsenal for a immune system
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05:09 BatSteve Sgt_Lemming: I'm currently giggling at this link much harder than I should.
05:09 Sgt_Lemming lol
05:14 egrsteve morning all
05:18 epictang0 egrsteve: morning
05:20 lwq1996 pretty interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCqG3rWtNbc&amp;feature=related
05:20 BotSteve Title: Thermite welding Railway Tech Switzerland - YouTube
05:20 epictang0 lwq1996: we did something similar with our grounds here...
05:21 lwq1996 didnt know that
05:21 epictang0 tessary@netstor:~$
05:21 epictang0 http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/LT1229.pdf
05:22 epictang0 it is the stuff...
05:22 epictang0 can buy the kits from: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=451&amp;subgroupId=14
05:22 BotSteve Title: Exothermic Ground Connections, Ground Wire to Ground Rod - One Shots | TESSCO 800 472 7373
05:24 lwq1996 this is pure genius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGnpKz7zvY
05:24 BotSteve Title: RGB (8 Color) Propeller Display - YouTube
05:30 BatSteve Sgt_Lemming: have you read any of the "I hope they serve beer in hell" stories?
05:30 Sgt_Lemming nope'
05:30 BatSteve http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/the-austin-road-trip/
05:30 BotSteve Title: The Austin Road Trip « TuckerMax.com
05:30 BatSteve Skip to Day 2
05:31 BatSteve because it is long.
05:36 hopstafarian egrsteve, morning (night here, a little slow on the draw..)
05:37 lwq1996 whats the comand on ubuntu to see what version you have
05:37 wannabe1987 joined #thegeekgroup
05:37 lwq1996 OMG ITS A GOD DAMNED WANNABE
05:38 BatSteve lwq1996: uname -a
05:38 epictang0 lwq1996: lsb_release -a
05:38 * wannabe1987 survived being at BitViper's place...but now i have to wash my clothes, i reek of smoke
05:38 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
05:38 astro73 hi wannabe1987
05:38 BotSteve At 01 Mar 21:16Z, BatSteve asked me to ask wannabe1987 why she blames me?
05:39 wannabe1987 PM
05:39 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987 http://imgur.com/gallery/HZymF
05:39 BotSteve Title: Sweet fuck... I had a lecture hall of 300+ laughing to this. - Imgur
05:39 wannabe1987 sorry, i had to run back to work and i didn't have your cell numer to text you
05:39 lwq1996 thanks epictang0 and BatSteve
05:39 * wannabe1987 wants a guy to dance with....
05:39 lwq1996 zozo?
05:39 wannabe1987 he's at jeff's
05:39 wannabe1987 i'm at my place
05:40 epictang0 wannabe1987: i used to swing dance in college...but that was like 10 years ago
05:40 wannabe1987 i do swing dance....but i also tango.  so seeing your nick doesn't help :P
05:41 lwq1996 lol
05:42 * epictang0 is watching hugo...
05:42 epictang0 wow...set design
05:46 wannabe1987 .seen toastdude
05:46 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Toastdude 3.17 hours ago at 2012-03-02 02:36:05 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:46:32 UTC
05:47 wannabe1987 .seen masterofmonks
05:47 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw masterofmonks 9.09 hours ago at 2012-03-01 20:42:18 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:47:42 UTC
05:47 wannabe1987 darn.  i keep missing people
05:48 astro73 unfortunate
05:48 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/66Sbt <--- for the captains quarters design thread
05:48 BotSteve Title: imgur: the simple image sharer
05:49 wannabe1987 so i got someone to cover the 2nd half of my shift tomorrow so i can  play in my orchestra concert :D
05:50 astro73 awesome!
05:51 wannabe1987 so how are you astro?
05:51 wannabe1987 i was MIA from irc most of the day today and last night....
05:51 wannabe1987 but i'm ok with that :D
05:52 astro73 i'm ok
05:53 astro73 i found a hole in functionality, so my extension is going to have to bend over backwards to cover it
05:53 wannabe1987 ahhh :/
05:58 astro73 it is coming along nicely, though
05:58 wannabe1987 good
05:59 lwq1996 what does arduino code in?
05:59 astro73 actually, all the things left to do on my list have to do with smoothing rough edges and adding helper featurers
06:00 astro73 lwq1996, a derivative C or C++, i think
06:01 lwq1996 ok
06:04 astro73 Hmmm.... GoTLS?
06:06 astro73 how's that as a name?
06:06 * wannabe1987 thinks about going to the lab before work tomorrow....and dropping off her violin THERE so it won't be in teh car at work ....
06:07 lwq1996 cold weather is bad for wood insturments
06:07 wannabe1987 exactly
06:07 wannabe1987 the lab isn't cold
06:07 wannabe1987 nromally
06:08 astro73 there's those days...
06:08 wannabe1987 KEAGS
06:09 Cprossu hey tonsofpcs you around?
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06:10 Cprossu if so I still didn't get my damn registration verified.
06:10 wannabe1987 hi cpro
06:10 Cprossu hey wannabe1987 what's up?
06:10 wannabe1987 not much....trying to stay awake long enough to do laundry :P
06:11 astro73 i love my extra memory. I'm using almost no swap.
06:11 Cprossu I think my brain is running on swap tonight
06:12 astro73 time to kill some processes?
06:13 wannabe1987 swap?
06:13 epictang0 astro73: i have 32GB in my laptop (main rig)...i love it
06:13 Cprossu no, the main memory store is tagged out for maintenance
06:13 astro73 epictang0, .... what.
06:13 astro73 cprossu, time for sleep then?
06:13 epictang0 astro73: you heard right...lol
06:13 Cprossu it would work if the batteries didn't dry up
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06:14 Cprossu hey Guardianzozo
06:14 Zozo-Sleepy yo
06:14 wannabe1987 you're not asleep yet?
06:14 Cprossu so Zozo-Sleepy I hope you had comfortable shoes
06:14 Zozo-Sleepy nope finished food now laying down
06:14 Zozo-Sleepy ?
06:15 wannabe1987 ahhh
06:15 Cprossu otherwise this is the point your feet feel like they've been pulverized
06:15 Zozo-Sleepy no that started yesterday
06:15 Cprossu That happened on Day 3 for me
06:15 Cprossu and I had to visit the red wings shoe store across the street
06:15 Zozo-Sleepy <-- wears indoor/outdoor slippers
06:15 Cprossu otherwise I was going to die
06:16 Cprossu my walmart steel-toe's just didn't cut it at the lab
06:16 Zozo-Sleepy i should wear my uber boots one day lol
06:16 Zozo-Sleepy ill find a pic...
06:16 wannabe1987 lol
06:16 wannabe1987 das uber boots
06:17 Sgt_Lemming no comments about my design? :-(
06:18 Zozo-Sleepy i see no design =(
06:18 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/66Sbt
06:18 BotSteve Title: imgur: the simple image sharer
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06:18 wannabe1987 hi jess
06:18 wannabe1987 kate just disappeared
06:18 wannabe1987 interesting stairs, but they'd suck when drunk/tired
06:19 KawaiiJess Ohai
06:19 Zozo-Sleepy whats this for?
06:19 Sgt_Lemming nowhere near finished wannabe1987, there is a plan to put a wall around em
06:19 Sgt_Lemming working on it atm actually
06:19 Sgt_Lemming Zozo-Sleepy, boden posted a thread on the forum about "captain's quarters"
06:19 Sgt_Lemming 2 story 60 x 20 foot
06:20 Zozo-Sleepy ah
06:20 Sgt_Lemming so that is what I am designing
06:20 Sgt_Lemming idea of the stairs is to have a firepole down the middle
06:20 Zozo-Sleepy nice
06:21 wannabe1987 lol
06:22 Electricguy hi all
06:22 wannabe1987 .in 52minutes laundry
06:22 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 07:14Z
06:22 wannabe1987 thats too long
06:23 wannabe1987 wtf
06:23 Sgt_Lemming no it's not
06:23 wannabe1987 why....wat....i'm so confused
06:23 wannabe1987 hm
06:24 wannabe1987 nevermind
06:24 Zozo-Sleepy its not est
06:24 wannabe1987 it apparently got taken out but hasnt' cleared my bank
06:24 * Sgt_Lemming hands wannabe1987 a cluepon
06:24 wannabe1987 gotcha
06:24 wannabe1987 yes, zozo i know
06:24 wannabe1987 but that would be 2:15
06:24 wannabe1987 am
06:24 wannabe1987 and i'm tired damnit
06:24 Zozo-Sleepy ah
06:24 wannabe1987 when my cord bit comes you can have your part back
06:25 Zozo-Sleepy i got like 10 of them
06:26 Zozo-Sleepy keep it you might break another =P
06:26 wannabe1987 lol
06:26 wannabe1987 i hope not
06:26 wannabe1987 how were your nuggets?
06:26 * wannabe1987 has goldfish
06:26 Zozo-Sleepy they were good, danke
06:26 wannabe1987 no prob
06:27 wannabe1987 de nada :P
06:27 Zozo-Sleepy oooo i want
06:27 Zozo-Sleepy http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004IUIC94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=to10gifodo-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=B004IUIC94
06:27 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: MENS UV Cyber Wedge Boots Interchangable Panels Mens Gothic Boots: Shoes
06:27 wannabe1987 interchangable boots?
06:27 wannabe1987 nifty
06:28 astro73 nice
06:28 astro73 that's cool looking
06:28 Zozo-Sleepy no idea where i would wear them, but i like em
06:29 wannabe1987 to the lab!  you'll be famous on the internets
06:30 Zozo-Sleepy ill be a hack, and demanded to remove my self from the internets
06:30 Zozo-Sleepy =)
06:30 wannabe1987 noes.  i'd miss you
06:31 wannabe1987 awww i'm out of goldfish
06:31 wannabe1987 now what....
06:31 Zozo-Sleepy sleep?
06:32 wannabe1987 o there are people down here...like people that don't live here.  i walked out to go put laundry in the machine and the guy was just standing there, in my way, creepy like :/
06:32 wannabe1987 but i'm hungry
06:32 wannabe1987 lemme go see what i have...
06:32 wannabe1987 shit
06:32 wannabe1987 my groceries are still in the car
06:32 wannabe1987 they're gonna wait
06:32 wannabe1987 i'm cold
06:32 Zozo-Sleepy lol
06:32 wannabe1987 and its cold
06:32 wannabe1987 and they can stay there
06:33 Zozo-Sleepy cause you know a trunk in the winter is close to a fridge, lol
06:33 wannabe1987 yep
06:33 wannabe1987 they were there last night....
06:33 wannabe1987 it won't kill them
06:34 lwq1996 can i say cory is an idiot
06:34 egrsteve time to pass out
06:34 Zozo-Sleepy later dude
06:35 wannabe1987 bye steve
06:35 wannabe1987 why lee?
06:35 egrsteve night all
06:35 lwq1996 captains blog
06:35 Zozo-Sleepy im out also
06:35 lwq1996 it wasnt a mouse, it was chip
06:35 Zozo-Sleepy later
06:35 wannabe1987 night.  :hugs:
06:35 wannabe1987 sleep
06:36 wannabe1987 also.  400 in 20s is a thick wad
06:37 lwq1996 chip is lost forever
06:37 * wannabe1987 goes to load vid
06:37 wannabe1987 and the day before that
06:37 wannabe1987 but
06:37 wannabe1987 there is noe
06:38 wannabe1987 none
06:38 wannabe1987 wtf
06:38 wannabe1987 liars
06:38 wannabe1987 anyway
06:38 lwq1996 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBS4QLDME8&amp;feature=g-u&amp;context=G2ff5de6FUAAAAAAAAAA
06:38 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 3-1-12 Softjaws and a Hardass - YouTube
06:38 astro73 wannabe1987, when you're awake sometime, i might want your help to clean up the language in my extension
06:39 wannabe1987 awake?
06:39 wannabe1987 um....try saturday!
06:39 astro73 awake and cogent
06:39 astro73 i'm busy saturday :P
06:39 wannabe1987 um....try saturday!
06:39 wannabe1987 i work 6-10 on sunday (pm)
06:39 wannabe1987 but church if i go is from 11-1 out by the lab
06:40 astro73 i've got spring break this week, so whenever
06:40 astro73 i just didn't want to grab you when your drunkish, tired, and probably about ready to crash
06:40 wannabe1987 drunk?!
06:40 wannabe1987 who said i was drinking?
06:40 wannabe1987 ...
06:40 wannabe1987 i was driving....
06:40 astro73 idk, i thought you said something about it
06:41 wannabe1987 no....
06:41 wannabe1987 we went to bitvipers and i fixed (or attempted to fix) his back...
06:41 astro73 i see
06:41 wannabe1987 now mine hurts
06:41 astro73 lol
06:41 astro73 nice
06:41 wannabe1987 mine'll hurt worse tomorrow night after my concert....
06:42 astro73 when is the concert?
06:42 wannabe1987 8pm
06:42 astro73 hmmm...
06:42 wannabe1987 @ calvin
06:42 astro73 i might go, but i'll probably be with my girl. big party tomorrow
06:42 wannabe1987 i have to be there at 7, i get out of work at 6, will head to lab to pick up my instrument which i will drop off earlier...
06:43 wannabe1987 yeah, i got an invite.
06:43 wannabe1987 still don't know if i'm going
06:51 wannabe1987 oooo so *that* kind of chip.....
06:52 wannabe1987 aka hamster.  you didn't say what "chip" was....
06:54 Sgt_Lemming .t
06:54 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:54:27 GMT
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06:56 Cprossu yay core memory!
06:56 astro73 yeah
06:56 * Cprossu has a warm and fuzzy feeling inside
06:56 astro73 xchat just core-dumped on me
06:56 wannabe1987 cpro, did you eat the cat?!
06:56 Cprossu destructive read core memory heh
06:56 Cprossu no cat is happy
06:56 Cprossu she is eating stuff right now
06:57 wannabe1987 ahhhh
06:57 wannabe1987 nom!
06:59 Cprossu o.m.g.
06:59 Cprossu it was chip
06:59 Cprossu oh god
07:00 wannabe1987 mhm.  cory is officially an ass
07:01 Cprossu wannabe1987 I bet money there's like a big storm cloud over the geekhouse after that
07:01 wannabe1987 bye bats
07:01 wannabe1987 yeah.....
07:01 wannabe1987 i hope cory feels bad and gets a new hamster
07:04 hopstafarian so what instrument does wannabe1987 play, and what's on the ticket? (ooh, please say Bach (j.s), Bartok, or Beethoven?)..
07:04 wannabe1987 violin, and its vaughn williams and bax.
07:06 wannabe1987 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL614AFE914D1E3232&amp;feature=mh_lolz  heres the play list....
07:06 BotSteve Title: orchestra - YouTube
07:06 wannabe1987 with vids!
07:06 hopstafarian wannabe1987, nice...you lead, or you get play the fun Chalameau bits?
07:07 wannabe1987 i'm last chair second violin.   and i'm ok with it
07:08 hopstafarian wannabe1987, cool, couldn't even make that..(even if i did play violin...) you say there's a boob, err, youtube video..?!
07:08 wannabe1987 not of me playing....but of the pieces being performed
07:08 wannabe1987 we're doing the US premier of the Bax piece
07:08 angy .cookie wannabe1987
07:08 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I baked you a black-and-white cookie!
07:08 wannabe1987 awww angy's the best :D  (well, close there to)
07:09 Cprossu .cookie wannabe1987
07:09 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I baked you a black-and-white cookie!
07:09 wannabe1987 wtf
07:09 wannabe1987 same cookie?!
07:09 wannabe1987 damn bot
07:09 Cprossu .cookie
07:09 BotSteve Here you go, Cprossu, I baked you an oatmeal cookie!
07:09 angy he's a copy-cat
07:09 wannabe1987 cpro's pretty awesome as well.....
07:09 Cprossu I'll trade you if you want though
07:09 wannabe1987 except for thatcat issue he has :P
07:09 wannabe1987 no, its ok
07:10 Cprossu lol
07:10 hopstafarian wannabe1987, well good playing...love to see the footage...
07:10 wannabe1987 i dunno if its getting taped or not....
07:13 wannabe1987 so the laundry will get done in a few minnutes but i don't care i'm falling asleep sitting here
07:13 wannabe1987 night
07:14 BotSteve wannabe1987: laundry
07:14 wananbe-zz see
07:14 angy jaffa cakes is better than laundry
07:15 lwq1996 -pokes wannabe to look at her PMs one last time-
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07:17 * hopstafarian optsforsleeph*sowndamnselv...night asll
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07:20 n1mjf Hello TGG
08:37 Sgt_Lemming .t
08:37 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:37:35 GMT
08:37 Sgt_Lemming .t tgg
08:37 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:37:56 TGG
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09:00 Experimentonomen g'mornin peepz
09:22 Nazca damn, I think the Captain melted some people's faces
09:22 Experimentonomen hm
09:24 Nazca also, Cory is a fucking idiot
09:26 Nazca http://www.pet-hamster.com/hamster.jpg <--- this is a hamster
09:27 Sgt_Lemming yes, yes he is
09:27 Nazca http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/mouseDM0302_468x311.jpg <--- this is a mouse
09:28 Experimentonomen wait wait does cory live with moose ? o_O
09:28 Nazca note.... hamsters (almost always) don't have tails ... mice generally do
09:28 Nazca sadly yes, he does
09:28 angy they live in the same house
09:29 Experimentonomen cory is in deep shit :P¨
09:29 Nazca I know all rodents look kind of similar, but I don't know jack about them and I can tell the difference between a hamster and a sodding mouse
09:30 Nazca in hind sight, the hint should have been that it was that easy to catch ... mice are not in the least bit likely to come anywhere near you ... or stay in a box very long
09:31 Nazca now a gerbil, at least, kinda looks like a mouse and has a tail ... and is a similar size ... and has reasonably similar behaviour ... and isn't a fucking hamster *facepalm*
09:35 Experimentonomen plork
09:36 Nazca (yeah, I'm probably being a little harsh, but I miss our dog, I miss the gerbil we lost last year, and now my parents moved a hundred miles away I miss our cat)
09:36 Experimentonomen the thing with pets, they can be replaced
09:37 Nazca I guess, but you get very emotionally attached to them
09:37 Nazca it's like loosing an extended family member
09:37 Nazca like a cousin or aunt or something
10:03 Nazca dear phishers, I get that the people who click your links are dumb, but really, could you at least try?
10:03 Nazca 2011-12-16T01:40:44 vps11523.ovh.net[46.105.5.31]       PayParl@PayPalSystemSecurity.co.uk
10:03 Nazca PayParl huh?
10:04 angy that's what does sneezing and typing at the same time
10:04 Experimentonomen i get email upon email from blizzard entertainment about my wow account when i have never even touched that game
10:05 Nazca oh, I can do one better than that
10:05 Experimentonomen and metric shit tons of viagra and other penis enlargement bs spam emails
10:05 Nazca 2012-02-21T05:54:28 mail.ytland.gov.tw[163.29.195.251]  security-alert@santanderbank.co.uk
10:05 angy I got lots of banking spams
10:06 Experimentonomen i get spam from some "bank of america" and shit
10:07 Nazca look at the rDNS :p
10:08 Nazca ytland.gov.tw seems to be a lame zone, but seriously ... subtle much?
10:08 angy the second one made a little effort
10:08 Nazca anyway, bed for me
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10:49 HighMan Poor hamster/
10:55 Sgt_Lemming poor hamster indeed
10:55 Sgt_Lemming moose looked a bit dejected
11:01 HighMan lol
11:04 Sgt_Lemming http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20120302-9ecc8.png
11:05 HighMan ...
11:13 Thermoelectric Wouldn't that have sucked? Being thrown into a box for exploring then thrown into a place to freeze to death? :(
11:13 * Sgt_Lemming nods
11:17 * HighMan agrees
11:18 Sgt_Lemming although, a cardboard box is actually remarkably good insulation
11:18 Sgt_Lemming so it may not have frozen to death
11:19 HighMan I'm guessing it's dead.
11:19 * HighMan Probably getting a rat as a pet.
11:19 Sgt_Lemming or the bins got emptied
11:20 HighMan O_O you know what happens when bins get empty and trash truck gets full right?
11:20 * Sgt_Lemming nods
11:20 Sgt_Lemming not a fun ending for mister hamster
11:20 HighMan Ouch. Flip of a switch. Ouch.
11:21 BitViper methinks time to build a larger hamster cage ... and put cory in it
11:21 HighMan lol
11:21 BitViper air tight ... with tacos as food
11:22 HighMan Air Tight?
11:22 BitViper well, air inlet, but well filtered air outlet ? we dont want the taco exhaust
11:23 HighMan O_O Oh..
11:23 HighMan Our torture him ;)
11:23 BitViper yeah
11:23 HighMan That's just gross.
11:24 BitViper and with those comments, im going back to bed, back is still unhappy about me going and doing real work wednesday at the lab
11:24 BitViper and i didnt even manage to properly finish what i was assigned to do, altho its a crapload better when i left than when i started
11:24 HighMan Hahaha, morning BitViper
11:25 HighMan What was that?
11:25 BitViper moping =/
11:25 HighMan HAHA
11:25 HighMan lol
11:26 BitViper not hard work, but the type of work that wears out my back
11:26 HighMan Ah ok
11:26 HighMan That sucks
11:26 BitViper anyway, im out, bbl
11:26 HighMan Morning
11:28 Sgt_Lemming .t tgg
11:28 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:28:48 TGG
11:31 HighMan .t est
11:31 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:31:24 EST
11:32 HighMan Is TGG est also?
11:36 HighMan .t novst
11:36 BotSteve HighMan: Sorry, I don't know about the 'novst' timezone.
11:54 lwq1996 damnit
11:55 lwq1996 i has roatbeer barrels
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12:19 Druidic_Rifleman whats up
12:33 Sgt_Lemming yay, only one more wing to glue on
12:35 yNos Cuz' i'm sexy and i know it
12:35 * yNos dances
12:36 Sgt_Lemming heh
12:36 yNos stupid shit to get stuck in your head...
12:36 Sgt_Lemming 1 more wing to glue on then I can fly my plane tomorrow!
12:37 Experimentonomen yNos, if your gonna dance, i want a live stream :P
12:38 yNos no live stream at scase..
12:42 Experimentonomen yNos is so shy :P
12:45 Druidic_Rifleman mornings suck
12:46 angy injektion as wel
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12:48 tonsofpcs Cprossu: ya?
12:48 tehdark45 ya
12:48 tehdark45 lol
12:50 tehdark45 fun times at 5 am
12:51 tehdark45 Druidic_Rifleman, then cut mornings out
12:52 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/a/ijfTo <--- my plans for Captain's Quarters
12:52 BotSteve Title: Captain's Quarters - Imgur
12:54 tehdark45 shouldnt you do the whole place?
12:54 tehdark45 :P
12:54 Sgt_Lemming what more do you want?
12:54 Sgt_Lemming all the furniture etc?
12:54 Experimentonomen gonna build the place from scratch or redo an existing place ?
12:55 tehdark45 no Sgt_Lemming i mean all the aprtments
12:55 tehdark45 :P
12:55 Sgt_Lemming lol
12:55 Sgt_Lemming gimme dimensions, and sure
12:56 tehdark45 9000 * 9000
12:56 tehdark45 :P
12:56 Sgt_Lemming lol
12:56 tehdark45 that is like 675 sqft...
12:57 tehdark45 675000*
13:00 Sgt_Lemming but yeah, what do you guys think of the design?
13:01 tehdark45 looks good
13:02 Sgt_Lemming thanks
13:03 NeWtoz 81000000
13:04 tehdark45 NeWtoz, i was using inches
13:04 tehdark45 so i devided by 12
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13:04 tehdark45 :P
13:04 NeWtoz I might let that slide then
13:05 NeWtoz but I'm watching you
13:05 tehdark45 What are you gona do to me O_O
13:06 tehdark45 Sgt_Lemming, help!
13:06 tehdark45 lol
13:06 NeWtoz I'm a fan of surprises
13:06 tehdark45 oh god
13:06 NeWtoz I've been called that at times
13:07 tehdark45 lol
13:07 tonsofpcs no fridge spot?
13:09 tehdark45 yeah tonsofpcs there is only like 10 feet of wall next to the counters
13:09 tehdark45 yeah no space at all
13:09 tehdark45 :P
13:10 tonsofpcs i dont see this 10' you speak of
13:11 tehdark45 the staircase doesn't go to the wall >.<
13:13 tonsofpcs erm... a frdge is 3' deep and needs 4' clear in front and 2' to the side of the front spave
13:13 tonsofpcs also, windows.
13:13 tehdark45 it would still fit
13:13 tehdark45 yes
13:14 tehdark45 Linux too
13:14 tehdark45 :P
13:14 tonsofpcs you dont put a fridge in front of windows
13:15 tehdark45 why? does the window become blue?
13:17 tonsofpcs forgetting the thermal considerations, it doesnt look nice
13:17 tehdark45 yeah cuse looking nice is the aim of us geeks :P
13:19 tonsofpcs That's part of design, yes.
13:20 tonsofpcs thermal cpnsideration: back of fridge is a heat exchanger, you dont want it in sun;ight or near flammables
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13:20 yNos back.. forgot today was my day to pickup donuts..
13:21 angy get them cookies
13:21 tehdark45 yNos, just go to tim hortons and get some :P
13:21 Sgt_Lemming yNos, you cruel cruel man, making those hard working people wait for their donuts
13:24 yNos there is no tim hortons.
13:24 tehdark45 lol ik
13:27 Experimentonomen doughnut
13:27 tehdark45 actully yNos http://g.co/maps/nm6wf
13:27 BotSteve Title: 902 Leonard St NW, Grand Rapids, MI 49504, USA to 1506 S Beacon Blvd, Grand Haven, MI 49417, USA - Google Maps
13:27 Sgt_Lemming yay! plane is finished!
13:28 tonsofpcs we have fake timmies here
13:28 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, only canadians can call it timmies
13:28 tehdark45 :P
13:29 tonsofpcs tehdark45: i went to school less than 100' from lake ontario
13:29 tehdark45 but were you IN ontario?
13:29 tonsofpcs (amd much of that was vertical)
13:29 Experimentonomen *hupp-buh*
13:30 tonsofpcs no, part of NY might as well be canada though
13:30 tehdark45 so what makes it fake?
13:30 tehdark45 does it say star bucks?
13:30 tehdark45 :P
13:32 Experimentonomen the rackmount chassie has arrived
13:32 tonsofpcs but yea, down here there was a large gas station built on the highway with a timmies inside, donuts, coffee, tea, hc, breakfastwraps, etc.  then about 6 mos later the regional gas chain announced it was putting 'tim hortons express' in a bunch of their stations
13:32 tehdark45 ah yes i have one of those near me
13:33 tonsofpcs the good onedropped prepared fooda and the 'exprezs' that they made are just a line of percolators and 3-shelf tray of donuts, all self-serve
13:33 tonsofpcs right, fake timmies.
13:34 tehdark45 but my uni has a real one right in the building
13:34 tehdark45 lol
13:34 tonsofpcs i want my sausage wrap, canadoan maple, and hc w/ whip
13:34 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, go to grand haven
13:34 tehdark45 :P
13:34 slewfoot That's where I live :P
13:34 tonsofpcs hopefully going to placid in a few weeks, i'll be at one daily even if i have to drive to quebec for it.
13:35 tehdark45 then go to tims slewfoot :P
13:35 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, tims is not THAT great :P
13:35 tonsofpcs "sir, what is your business in canada?"  "i need some tim hortons before seeing a hockey game this evening"
13:35 slewfoot What's at tims? I missed the start of the conversations :P
13:36 tehdark45 Tim Hortons
13:36 tehdark45 aka Canadian Starbucks
13:36 tehdark45 lol
13:36 tonsofpcs tehdark45: placid is basicslly at the border
13:36 tonsofpcs ewww starbux
13:36 Druidic_Rifleman Did corie throw out moose's hampster really?
13:36 slewfoot not a coffee drinker.... I do love caffeine though
13:36 tonsofpcs wha?!
13:36 tehdark45 slewfoot, do you like iced coffee?
13:37 slewfoot iced mocha
13:37 tehdark45 yeah
13:37 tehdark45 they have that
13:37 tehdark45 ice capp
13:37 tonsofpcs tims hot chocolate = heaven; starbucks hotchocolate = bad mix and tastes like coffee
13:38 tehdark45 starbucks has way too many locations
13:38 tehdark45 lol
13:39 tehdark45 i think there is one place where there is a starbucks for each corner of the intersection so that there would be no compatiton
13:41 tonsofpcs it's not a competition thimg it''s thta they have that many customera
13:42 tehdark45 that too
13:42 tehdark45 prob in new york
13:42 tehdark45 Money, coffee and angry people. Wecome to NY
13:42 tehdark45 lol
13:43 tonsofpcs nah.  corner frontage costs too much
13:43 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, not for a mega corperation like starbucks
13:43 tonsofpcs in nyc you'll see them a few stores back from the cprner in multiple dorections though
13:44 tonsofpcs tehdark45: they dont need the advertising anymore
13:44 tehdark45 yeah
13:44 tonsofpcs it's mot like they need car traffic to see them
13:48 tehdark45 well I should probably go sleep now lol. cya Druidic_Rifleman, tonsofpcs, Sgt_Lemming, slewfoot
13:48 Sgt_Lemming cya
13:48 Sgt_Lemming sleep well
13:48 tehdark45 zzzz
13:48 Druidic_Rifleman Lemming
13:48 tehdark45 ok im doe
13:48 tehdark45 lol
13:48 Sgt_Lemming yeah?
13:48 Druidic_Rifleman Corie killed moose;s hampster
13:48 tehdark45 Cory*
13:48 tehdark45 :P
13:48 Sgt_Lemming I know
13:48 Sgt_Lemming bastard!
13:49 Sgt_Lemming damned fags killing everyones pets!
13:49 tehdark45 cory seems abit derp at times lol
13:49 * Sgt_Lemming bends tehdark45 over the table and has his way with him
13:50 tehdark45 Sgt_Lemming, what did I do?
13:50 Sgt_Lemming you were the first person to talk after I raged
13:50 tehdark45 oh ok
13:51 Sgt_Lemming http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-creamer-milk-carton-glass-container-150ml-119508 <--- WT...F
13:51 BotSteve Title: Mini Creamer Milk Carton Glass Container (150ml) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
13:51 tehdark45 go and wrestle a kangaroo, i heard that is what you do for that kind of thing over there :P
13:52 tehdark45 Sgt_Lemming, it is for the sofpiticated kids at the luch table
13:52 tehdark45 sophisticated*
13:53 Sgt_Lemming lol
13:54 Sgt_Lemming http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21128
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13:54 BotSteve Title: HobbyKing R/C Hobby Store : AXN Floater-Jet w/ Servo, Motor, ESC (EPO) PNF (AUS Warehouse)
13:55 Alex_____ Hey
13:55 Sgt_Lemming is for horses
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13:59 yNos Hey Talos452
13:59 Talos452 What's shaking yNos?
14:00 yNos Do you know bill/lisa from outside hhr, or are you just an avid listener?
14:01 Talos452 I know Lisa outside HHR.      I know Bill because of HHR.      But never met either of them
14:01 Talos452 IR Passport-less Canuk
14:06 Alex_____ I've got a dilema, i've got a dell power supply that doesn't work..it keeps blowing up the varistors...well it stopped and now it doesn't do anything...everything is at 0 volts
14:06 Alex_____ Help?
14:07 Talos452 I would say its dead Jim
14:07 Talos452 But then again, i know nothing about physical electronics like that
14:08 Alex_____ Well, it is dead...i wanna know why....
14:09 Alex_____ Crap
14:10 Alex_____ It's really puzzeling...i've fixed atx power supplies before, but this one's a bitch
14:11 Talos452 Well, you did say "Dell" so that about sums it up
14:11 yNos Alex_____: have you opened it?
14:11 Alex_____ I've never seen such a piece of crap...
14:11 Alex_____ Yep
14:11 Alex_____ It blew 4 MOV's
14:11 Alex_____ Till now...
14:11 yNos nothing black or warped inside?
14:11 yNos damn
14:11 Alex_____ Nope
14:11 yNos have a variac?
14:11 Alex_____ That's what puzzles me
14:12 Alex_____ Nope,,,even a dimbulb tester would be good...
14:12 Alex_____ But..
14:12 Alex_____ The capacitors are ok...rezistors are ok...or look ok...
14:12 Alex_____ Nothng makes it past the bridge rectifier
14:13 Alex_____ I think it's toast...
14:13 Alex_____ It doesn't even charge up the big filter cap
14:13 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/P0HKf
14:13 BotSteve Title: chassie - Imgur
14:14 yNos Experimentonomen: nice case
14:14 yNos i like rack mount project boxes ;)
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14:15 Alex_____ Back
14:15 yNos i want to make a ssb radio in a rack box like that.
14:15 Experimentonomen oki
14:15 Alex_____ ...any ideeas?
14:16 yNos for fixing it?
14:16 yNos or for replacing it?
14:16 Alex_____ Yep
14:16 Alex_____ Fixing
14:16 yNos if you arent getting any voltage past the rectifiers, replace those..
14:16 Alex_____ Or replacing, that would be easier
14:16 yNos work your way back..
14:16 yNos power supplies are cheap..
14:16 Alex_____ Not this one
14:16 yNos if you dont have the $, fix it..
14:16 yNos good power supplies have a warranty
14:17 Experimentonomen atx psus are not worth fixing, their so cheap u just  buy a new onwe
14:17 Sgt_Lemming yNos, you heading to the lab today?
14:17 Alex_____ ...it's 400$ or sth
14:17 yNos maybe..
14:17 yNos Sgt_Lemming: ^
14:17 Sgt_Lemming if you do, tell boden he needs to look at the captains quarters thread on the forum
14:17 Alex_____ The thing is that i' m the warranty, i'm fixing it for someone
14:18 Experimentonomen yNos, this chassie will house an amp
14:18 Alex_____ Oh...by the way...tell him that he lied to alll the people when he sad that the filament windings on an x-ray tube are at high voltage relative to ground
14:19 Alex_____ Filaments draw tens of amps
14:19 Sgt_Lemming sigh
14:19 Alex_____ Tens of amps at tens of thousands of volts are equal to hundreds of thousands of watts
14:19 Sgt_Lemming they are at high voltage relative to ground Alex_____, but they are on like 15000 volts on one side, and 15003 volts on the other side
14:20 Sgt_Lemming so the voltage difference across the filament is 3 volts
14:20 Sgt_Lemming hence they draw tens of amps, at 3 volts
14:20 Alex_____ And how do you mahe 15 kv at tens of amps from say 480 input?
14:20 Sgt_Lemming be very careful about accusing someone of lying, especially when you obviously don't have a clue what you are on about
14:20 Sgt_Lemming Alex_____, it's not 15kv at tens of amps
14:21 yNos they are not relative to ground.. and heater voltages are in the mA range..
14:21 yNos most heater voltages are 2-12 volts..
14:22 Alex_____ Yeah...but still, they aren't high voltage...my mind explodes
14:22 Alex_____ Look
14:23 Sgt_Lemming Alex_____, voltage and amperage are relative measurements
14:23 Sgt_Lemming voltage is between two points
14:23 Alex_____ A tv tube works exacty the same...and the filament current on a tube i'm working on is like 2 amps
14:23 Sgt_Lemming amperage is across a specific point
14:23 Alex_____ I know...it's potential difference
14:23 Alex_____ Voltage
14:23 yNos it is the voltage differential between 2 lines. one line is 15,000v, the other is 15,012v
14:23 yNos for example..
14:24 Alex_____ Then how do you get that from 480 input?
14:24 yNos with a badass powersupply
14:24 Sgt_Lemming there's about a thousand ways to do it
14:24 yNos did  you see the powersupplies we got in?
14:24 yNos one outweighs me..
14:25 Sgt_Lemming by a large margin
14:25 Experimentonomen yNos, i outweight you almost twice :P
14:25 yNos and is a rack mountable cube
14:25 yNos i hope not, i am 250ish lbs
14:25 Alex_____ Yep...chek out teravolt.org...could you clear me up? It's under coolidge tubes..
14:25 Experimentonomen im 130+ kilos
14:25 yNos well.. somewhere between 230 and 250
14:26 yNos 285 lbs?
14:26 yNos at my heaviest i was 360ish
14:26 Alex_____ That beast of a power supply that couldn't power up the air raid siren?
14:26 yNos it would melt the air-raid siren
14:27 * Experimentonomen is a fat fuck and proud of it :P
14:27 * yNos is built like a farmboy
14:27 Alex_____ Or are you talking about the black pole pig.
14:27 Alex_____ ?
14:27 yNos no
14:27 yNos talking about an xray power suply
14:27 Monkeh|Lap ... Talking about, perhaps, the gigantic x-ray power supply?
14:27 yNos yeah
14:27 Alex_____ ...the ones that came in a couple of months ago?
14:28 yNos yeah
14:28 yNos the ones that took batman and i to move ;)
14:28 Alex_____ Pickee
14:28 Alex_____ Picker
14:28 Sgt_Lemming yNos, talking to someone about RFID board kits atm, first run of 100 might be available within the month
14:28 yNos badass :D
14:28 Sgt_Lemming looks like I will have one spare to send you as well
14:28 yNos Even better!
14:29 Alex_____ Yep...btw...you should make a video about flyback drivers...pretty please?
14:29 yNos meeting time..
14:29 yNos afk while.
14:29 Monkeh|Lap yNos: Don't call mono cool. :{
14:37 Druidic_Rifleman Wow
14:37 Druidic_Rifleman the guy who wrote born to be wild is also from the dirty shawa
14:39 yNos Monkeh|Lap: it is cool that we dont have to teach people a new language.
14:39 yNos its all relative to the current situation.. which is.. nothing fcking works
14:40 lwq1996 hey
14:40 yNos Hey there
14:40 yNos did you watch today's blog?
14:40 yNos lwq1996 ^
14:40 yNos the last 1/4 is for you.
14:41 lwq1996 about the chris hates bitches thing?
14:41 yNos lol
14:41 lwq1996 i dont bitch
14:41 yNos its not hating on people, its pushing people to take a differnt outlook to better themselves
14:41 lwq1996 and where the fuck do u come off trlling me this
14:42 yNos because yesterday you were bitching about everhing
14:42 lwq1996 so your calling me a fake
14:42 yNos and i'd thought i'd beat you to the punch
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14:42 yNos dont need to
14:42 * yNos is a trolly dick today
14:42 lwq1996 fucker
14:42 BitViper yNos, will you be at the lab today ?
14:42 * angy fondles Seroster
14:42 yNos planning on it.
14:43 BitViper ok, i prolly wont be there till later but hope to work more on the repeater thing today wherever im at
14:44 * Druidic_Rifleman pimp smacks lwq1996 "BOI!!! respect your elders"
14:44 yNos Cool, can we do something like this? http://www.w8lrc.org/
14:44 BotSteve Title: w8lrc.org
14:45 yNos erp..
14:45 lwq1996 im not in the fucking mood druid
14:46 yNos BitViper: http://www.qsl.net/w8lrc/coverage.html
14:46 BotSteve Title: Coverage Map
14:46 yNos like that
14:47 lwq1996 i really want to puch my teacher
14:47 Druidic_Rifleman Been there wanted to do that
14:52 BitViper yes, in fact thats what i was trying to do the other day
14:52 yNos cool
14:53 BitViper that was the other map i was going to do and never got to
14:53 yNos Ah
14:54 BitViper hrm, thats the lowell repeater isnt it ?
14:57 Cheezmo I liiiive
14:58 yNos BitViper: yeah
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15:01 sndwrx well.
15:06 Experimentonomen *yawnawnawnawn* :/
15:10 wananbe-zz hi sndwrx
15:11 Experimentonomen g'evenin miss wannabe
15:11 wannabe1987 hi Experimentonomen, how was your day?
15:11 Experimentonomen windy :/
15:11 wannabe1987 ours supposedly will end up that way too
15:12 BitViper hey wannabe1987 : supposed to be snow for my place tonight
15:12 Experimentonomen and i made yNos drool all over me :/
15:12 BitViper Experimentonomen O_O
15:13 Monkeh|Lap He does that, the big slobbering beast.
15:13 wannabe1987 thats cuz you're sepcial.  wha'td you do?
15:13 wannabe1987 yes, BitViper, i know
15:13 Experimentonomen posted a pick of my rackmount chassie that arrived today
15:13 Experimentonomen pic*
15:13 wannabe1987 well, see then?  you brought it upon yourself
15:14 BitViper Experimentonomen : did you get me one ?
15:14 Experimentonomen BitViper, nope
15:15 BitViper Experimentonomen : oh well, id need the rack to go with it anyway
15:18 wannabe1987 BitViper: did i hear you say you won't be at the lab today?
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15:26 Hackbat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIPK2NQ85Fc&amp;feature=related
15:26 BotSteve Title: Slinky + Escalator = WIN - YouTube
15:27 BitViper wannabe-afk : i will be at some point, but probably not until later
15:44 yNos shhhh
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15:49 * Experimentonomen puts a jävla skitpizza in the oven
15:57 BitViper yNos : uploading coverage chart for repeater vs mobile
16:00 Talos452 So a Co-Worker of mine and I want to setup a VPN tunnel between his server and my own.     We're both on Fibre OP 30/30 connection.    Does anyone reccommend a free way of doing this yet keeping it secure?
16:02 * BitViper wants that connection
16:02 BitViper Talos452 : openvpn would be the best free, but can be a pain to configure in some cases
16:02 * Experimentonomen has no use for that connection
16:02 Sgt_Lemming Talos452, run a smoothwall on both connections
16:02 Talos452 Looking up Smoothwall now
16:03 Talos452 I've heard OPENVPN is le-suck for configure.... so im staying well away from that
16:03 Talos452 hahah
16:03 Sgt_Lemming there is an open VPN plugin for smoothwall which makes it SOO much easier
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16:03 Sgt_Lemming or smoothwall can natively handle VPN between two smoothwalls.
16:04 Talos452 Would you reccommend Physical box or VM with Dedicated NIC?
16:04 Sgt_Lemming physical
16:05 Talos452 Looks like i've got my weekend planned
16:05 Talos452 lol
16:05 Sgt_Lemming doesn't need to be much, general rule is 50MHz of cpu per 1mbit of connection
16:05 Sgt_Lemming but that's highly dependent on the amount of traffic flowing across it
16:05 Talos452 Im going to need to purchase at least 2 Gigabit NIC's
16:05 Sgt_Lemming why?
16:06 Talos452 so my connection to the fiberop modem is maintained with my gaming rig and torrent box
16:06 BitViper Talos452 : it depends on what you want to do with it, its great software, but documentation SUCKS
16:06 Talos452 Since they will be behind the smooth wall, i want to keep the bandwith uniform
16:07 Sgt_Lemming Talos452, the smoothwall sits between the modem and the rest of your network
16:07 Sgt_Lemming it doesn't need to be gigabit
16:07 Talos452 exactly
16:07 Talos452 as of now, my PC's to the Fibre OP Modem all operat at 1 Gigabit
16:07 Sgt_Lemming there is no point to running 1gbit to a 3ombit connection
16:07 Sgt_Lemming 30*
16:08 Talos452 suppose...
16:08 Sgt_Lemming there will be absolutely no gains in latency or throughput
16:08 Talos452 30 Mps down will still be 30 MBps down
16:08 * Sgt_Lemming nods
16:09 Talos452 And really, the switch my PC and Server will be on is going to be Gigabit so comm from Workstation to File Server wont be affected
16:09 Sgt_Lemming the only reason the 2 smoothwals I run have gigabit, is that they have gigabit onboard
16:09 angy there will be no gain, and depending on how your wan is setup, you will actually have worse performances using 1g connexion to a 30mbts wan
16:09 Sgt_Lemming one is a HP thin client, the other is an IBM 1u server
16:10 Talos452 Now, my Fibre OP runs on NAT
16:10 Talos452 Any issues there?
16:11 Sgt_Lemming Talos452, can you put it in bridge mode?
16:11 Sgt_Lemming otherwise you will be double nat'ing
16:12 Talos452 Bridge mode is not an option   hmmmm
16:13 Sgt_Lemming no way at all to bridge the fibre modem?
16:14 Talos452 Not that im seeing.    And im not flashing the firmware on any of it.   I'll have to wait weeks for a damn tech to replace the modem if i do
16:14 Sgt_Lemming what make/model is the modem
16:17 Talos452 Its an ActionTech Model R1000H
16:17 Talos452 Broadcom chip
16:20 Sgt_Lemming grrr @ boden
16:20 Sgt_Lemming he looked at the captains quarters thread but didn't comment on my plans
16:20 Sgt_Lemming hang on... is there an ethernet or a fibre cable going into that modem?
16:21 Talos452 Ethernet.       The Fibre OP Box is a Lucent that is locked down tigher than i've ever seen
16:21 Sgt_Lemming yeah, but the "modem" just has two ethernet cables going into it right?
16:21 Talos452 I wish it was direct to the Fibre Op
16:21 Talos452 yeah
16:22 Sgt_Lemming then you will likely find the cable from the lucent box, is already an open pipe
16:22 Sgt_Lemming and you just need to plug that cable into the smoothwall
16:22 Sgt_Lemming who's your ISP?
16:22 Talos452 yeah..    some how, they have it setup that their supplied router is the only thing that operates on that lucent
16:22 Talos452 Bell Aliant
16:23 Talos452 New Brunswick, Canada
16:23 angy I bet they don't get you ethernet on the fiber
16:24 astro73|alice 60mph wind gusts today -> Kite surfing up medical mile
16:25 Sgt_Lemming angy, the "modem" he is talking about is just a wireless router, nothing all that special about it
16:26 Talos452 sorry for sounding like a newb
16:26 Talos452 Just using the terms the ISP drills into their customers
16:26 Sgt_Lemming s'ok
16:26 Sgt_Lemming modem is a meaningless term these days
16:27 angy I know that "modem" as you say can speak VDSL on the WAM port
16:27 Talos452 Fibre Op Gateway  lol
16:27 angy so I kind of see bell having a converter going to fiber to VDSL, then VDSL on the "modem"
16:27 Sgt_Lemming not according to their spec sheet I am reading at the moment angy
16:27 Sgt_Lemming there is NO mention of VDSL
16:28 Talos452 Its fibre op to house
16:28 Talos452 direct to Lucent
16:28 angy I had the exact same model when having VDSL from BEll
16:28 Talos452 Ethernet from Lucent to Wan on ActionTech
16:28 Talos452 Bell and Bell Aliant are different though
16:28 angy you got a lucent media converter, just have to know from what to what
16:29 wannabe-afk lol guess whose on their way to the lab....:P
16:29 angy if you manage to find the model of the media converter, it will be easier to find what is going out of it
16:29 wannabe-afk (not me, yet.  shortly)
16:29 BitViper wannabe-afk : druid ?
16:30 Talos452 Yeah, i'll have to look at that when i get home
16:30 wannabe1987 no....jeff and Zozo
16:30 Talos452 Im at the office currently with no way to check
16:30 Talos452 Just in the planning stages
16:30 wannabe1987 i don't know what druids up to....:P
16:30 Experimentonomen .cookie wannabe1987
16:30 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe1987, I baked you a white chocolate macadamia nut cookie!
16:30 wannabe1987 NOM!  best.cookie.ever!
16:31 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987, subway here sells them
16:31 Sgt_Lemming one of their standard cookies
16:31 wannabe1987 same
16:31 wannabe1987 thats why they're the best cookie ever :D
16:31 Sgt_Lemming oh, I updated the captains quarters plans a bit
16:31 Sgt_Lemming just need to get boden to look at em now
16:32 wannabe1987 BitViper: im finally putting my groceries away :P
16:32 Experimentonomen Sgt_Lemming, hes updating his office to building something from scratch ?
16:32 BitViper wannabe1987 LOL
16:32 Experimentonomen or*
16:32 wannabe1987 well, i didn't go home that night....i was.....busy
16:33 Sgt_Lemming Experimentonomen, this is another building they are purchasing
16:33 Experimentonomen eww rotten groceries :/
16:33 Experimentonomen ok
16:33 wannabe1987 lol not rotten....
16:33 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987 http://imgur.com/a/ijfTo
16:33 BotSteve Title: Captain's Quarters - Imgur
16:33 wannabe1987 it was cold out....they stayed fine :)
16:33 wannabe1987 nifty
16:34 Sgt_Lemming he said he wanted open plan, doesn'
16:34 Experimentonomen chris should become a landlord
16:34 Sgt_Lemming doesn't get much more open than that
16:34 Experimentonomen easy tgg money
16:34 Sgt_Lemming yes Experimentonomen, because he needs MORE shit on his plate
16:34 wannabe1987 very true re: open space
16:34 wannabe1987 and yeah....
16:35 wannabe1987 what does one do with canned ham?
16:35 Experimentonomen i wish i could ask for donations to get a pc going that could handle minecraft, this machine im borrowing want even start minecraft due to gfx ´card not having any opengl
16:36 Experimentonomen won't*
16:36 wannabe1987 if i ask for "great northern beans" don't give me cannellini beans.  they;re not the same!
16:37 Experimentonomen hm
16:38 angy Talos452: do you have a vlan able computer?
16:38 angy I bet that bellalliant ig getting you vlan on the ethernet side, if you are able to try using vlan 34, I think you'll have internet
16:38 angy I'm not sure of the 34 though, you may need to try being supplicant for vlan
16:39 wannabe1987 BitViper: do you need gas money help?
16:39 wannabe1987 looks liek i'm wearing a skirt tonight :/
16:40 BitViper wannabe1987 : im good to the lab, we can talk more at the lab. you'll be thre around 6 ish right ?
16:40 Talos452 What do you mean Angry?
16:40 wannabe1987 630 but yeah
16:40 wannabe1987 talos, its angy, no r
16:40 Talos452 oops
16:41 Talos452 hahah
16:41 Talos452 Angy*
16:41 angy bellalliant is providing you connexion using vlans, one for the internet traffic, another for TV, another for phone...
16:41 wannabe1987 i'm sure you're not the first....
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16:41 Talos452 thats right
16:41 angy you will need to grab the internet vlan and you'll be OK with anything that can be supplicant as of, I think, DHCP
16:41 Talos452 We have Internet an TV through the Fibre
16:42 angy if you connect anything to the lucent box, tagged with vlan 34, you should be able to have internet of it
16:42 Talos452 hmmmm
16:42 angy then, if you still want tv, you will have to trunk vlan 35 to another port
16:42 wannabe1987 hi SparkyProjects
16:42 SparkyProjects Hi
16:42 Talos452 Im thinking of just putting it all behind the Actiontech
16:42 Talos452 Less Hastle this way
16:42 Talos452 lol
16:42 angy it's another way to go :)
16:43 wannabe1987 yay i have hamburger now :D
16:43 wannabe1987 and mystery meat! ...
16:43 BitViper mystery meat is the best
16:43 wannabe1987 from a food pantry?
16:43 BitViper as long as it doesnt smell funky
16:43 angy and it's time for me to head home, see ya!
16:43 wannabe1987 i dunno.  i put it in the fridge, my freezer is full of pizza rolls....
16:44 Talos452 l8r
16:44 wannabe1987 and i have to pack clothes and get ready to head out
16:44 BitViper wannabe1987 : when will you be at the lab and for how long ?
16:44 wannabe1987 i will be there till 1:30 and then at 6:30 for about 15 min
16:45 BitViper i will plan to be there this evening when you are then
16:45 wannabe1987 sounds good
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16:55 epictang0 *yawn*
16:55 wannabe1987 i feel verys catterbrained
16:55 wannabe1987 anyone have a new brain to lend me?
16:55 BitViper i cant even find my own
16:56 wannabe1987 i don't want yours, its tangled in knots like your back
16:56 BitViper worse
16:57 wannabe1987 plus its dirtyer than mine...
16:57 BitViper only in the corners
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16:58 wannabe1987 right.  anyway i have to go deposit my check and then head to the lab and then work and then OMG so much stuff to be done
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17:12 Electricguy oh yes. 3GB RAM
17:13 * Experimentonomen grumbles
17:18 * Experimentonomen kinda wonders if adaptors exist for putting laptop ram in a stationary
17:18 angy yes they do
17:20 epictang0 it is beer coupon day!
17:21 Experimentonomen i have nygårda påskmust :P
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17:35 Electricguy new RAM! :) http://i.imgur.com/sJ5BD.jpg
17:38 tgg|wannabe nice
17:38 astro73|alice nifty
17:38 Electricguy thanks
17:38 astro73|alice i got the cheap stuff from BestBuy, but i had gift cards
17:39 tgg|wannabe yay for gift cards
17:40 tgg|wannabe afk
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17:40 BitViper hey tgg|wannabe : can ya find my valentine from lisa ?
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18:05 Druidic_Rifleman i am bored
18:05 Electricguy hello Bored
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18:07 Electricguy i have been playing with a segway X2 today :P
18:07 Electricguy best toy ever!! :D
18:08 BitViper send me one
18:08 Electricguy lol
18:08 Electricguy hell no
18:08 Electricguy i would keep it myself
18:09 wannabe1987 ...
18:09 wannabe1987 damn nicks
18:11 Electricguy pretty crappy video, but yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gBtrkmiiw
18:11 BotSteve Title: Riding a Segway X2 - YouTube
18:14 lwq1996 hey
18:15 lwq1996 wannabe!!!
18:26 yNos Electricguy: it has a headlight?
18:26 Electricguy no
18:26 Electricguy it's the handle hub
18:27 Electricguy it got the segway logo there
18:27 Electricguy http://www.bkktrade.com/wp-content/uploads/classipress/segway-x2segway-x2-g-621676006.jpg
18:29 Druidic_Rifleman now you need tolearn toshoot from it holding the controls with your knees like the beging seg way assault force's
18:30 Electricguy lol
18:30 Electricguy sadly it's not my segway :/
18:30 Electricguy i would love to have one though
18:30 yNos segway assault force?
18:30 Electricguy i have heard that some cops in the US use segways
18:31 yNos Yup, in GR they use them at large events
18:31 Electricguy oki
18:32 yNos they also do segway tours
18:32 Electricguy oki
18:32 Electricguy they do that here too
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18:48 tonsofpcs C c C c C Cprossu
18:49 yNos .lastseen ponko
18:49 BotSteve yNos: I last saw Ponko 44.97 hours ago at 2012-02-29 21:50:53 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 18:49:22 UTC
18:57 Experimentonomen *yawn*
19:01 * Experimentonomen surar
19:02 yNos surar?
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19:03 yNos Hey there Mr. WaxPolishname!
19:09 Electricguy lol yNos :P
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19:11 IsopropylAlcohol zozo on?
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19:17 Electricguy lol.. worst timing ever zozo.. :P
19:18 Tgg-Zozo ?
19:18 Electricguy IsopropylAlcohol was here like 3 mins ago asking if you were here
19:18 Tgg-Zozo LOL
19:18 Electricguy he left just before you joined
19:18 Electricguy so, fail! XD
19:19 Tgg-Zozo cprossu
19:19 Tgg-Zozo text me sashi's number
19:20 Experimentonomen g'evenin zozo
19:20 Tgg-Zozo yo
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19:21 Electricguy i need to build a sound switch/bypass/attentuator box...
19:22 Electricguy like, a pair of DPDT toggle switches and a stereo pot
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19:26 TGG-ZozoAFK hey sashi
19:26 IsopropylAlcohol hey
19:27 IsopropylAlcohol so are you aware your gmod servers still up?
19:27 TGG-ZozoAFK for a day or two, yes
19:27 IsopropylAlcohol ok
19:28 IsopropylAlcohol i'm on it right now
19:28 IsopropylAlcohol what are you up to?
19:28 TGG-ZozoAFK i need to remove that "virus" from my main server then that will be back online
19:28 TGG-ZozoAFK you will see it in the blog tonight =)
19:29 IsopropylAlcohol k
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19:29 IsopropylAlcohol the servers titled Vembu Backup lol
19:30 dan9788wax Good afternoon
19:30 yNos so what is the relevance of 9788?
19:30 yNos address growing up?
19:30 dan9788wax my DOB
19:31 Seroster A dude just told me he'd kick my ass if I didnt "watch it".
19:31 yNos didnt watch what?
19:32 Seroster Not over the net, in person actually, wich is pretty fun, since he is like 15cm taller than me
19:32 yNos if you didnt watch "It"?
19:32 Seroster yNos, I didn't ask, I prioritized not staying there
19:33 dan9788wax yNos those nunbers stand for my Birthdate
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19:33 mashpriborintorg hi
19:34 dan9788wax greetings
19:36 mashpriborintorg seems quiet here ?
19:36 astro73|alice work
19:36 dan9788wax My real name is Daniel Waxmonsky
19:36 Experimentonomen g'evenin mash
19:36 Druidic_Rifleman Iam making extra cheasy mac and chease
19:36 mashpriborintorg I need resistors, I've just received a breadboard but I have no resistors
19:36 astro73|alice dan9788wax: so?
19:36 Seroster Thing is... I have steel tipped boots, a swizz army knife, a multitool, a small folding knife, I was wearing heavy gloves at the time, I have a Carabiner on my belt made from 12mm steel, easily big enough for my fist to fit in it, A philips screwdriver within a microsecond's reach, a razor blade in the battery compartment of my phone and a pretty damn solid flashlight.   I secretly wanted that bastard to pick a fight with me.
19:37 IsopropylAlcohol Zozo: Ventrilo server is lonely and your ts server is quiet too
19:37 mashpriborintorg BUT I found a TIL311 display module in by box of leds :p
19:37 mashpriborintorg *my
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19:38 hackbat3g Woo
19:39 * yNos likes turtles!!
19:39 astro73|alice using your phone as a communications device?
19:39 TGG-ZozoAFK thats cause im not on
19:40 dan9788wax what is latest news on the quarters
19:40 TGG-ZozoAFK i dont knwo what it is, but if im not on ts for a few days people tend to disappear
19:40 yNos TGG-ZozoAFK: are you making quarters?
19:41 TGG-ZozoAFK i wish i had time to be doing that
19:41 IsopropylAlcohol working on that antenna?
19:41 TGG-ZozoAFK thats food money for me, but that also involves having a chance to do it
19:41 dan9788wax no their shrinking them
19:42 TGG-ZozoAFK workin in the comp lab today
19:42 TGG-ZozoAFK then i got a few other things i need to get done
19:42 TGG-ZozoAFK then some3things for chris
19:42 IsopropylAlcohol ah whats going on the the comp lab today?
19:42 TGG-ZozoAFK making it look like a comp lab
19:42 IsopropylAlcohol lol nice
19:43 dan9788wax YNOS
19:43 astro73|alice http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/30579268/detail.html
19:43 BotSteve Title: Mattress Dominoes - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston
19:44 Electricguy i like that my tascam tape deck got a big H bridge for the drive motor XD
19:44 Experimentonomen h-bridge, does the motor itself reverse direction ?
19:45 tonsofpcs mmmm mac
19:45 tonsofpcs i need to buy new pots...
19:45 Electricguy hmm. right..
19:45 dan9788wax I'll be back
19:45 Electricguy it might be for the rwd/fwd motor
19:45 TGG-ZozoAFK sashi
19:45 TGG-ZozoAFK you gonna come up today?
19:46 Electricguy crappy video of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkFRF7pEGc
19:46 BotSteve Title: Tascam 234 recording some music - YouTube
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19:52 slewfoot I'll be at the lab after work.
19:55 IsopropylAlcohol zozo: i can't come till next week. I work till monday
19:55 IsopropylAlcohol either monday or wednesday i'll try to make it up
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19:57 * BitViper is heading to the lab soon, packing up
19:57 Experimentonomen so did you figure out why the recording dident stick to the tape ?
19:58 astro73|alice note enough glue
20:02 Druidic_Rifleman extra cheast mac and cheese
20:03 IsopropylAlcohol Zozo you have to see what I made in GMOD :D
20:03 Experimentonomen *watches the shitty 4" sub vid* i think the amps short circuit protection is kicking in, my telefunken amp did that when i blew a set of speakers with too much bass
20:05 dan9788wax I am back
20:05 Experimentonomen wb wax on wax off dan ;)
20:06 dan9788wax thank you very much
20:07 dan9788wax just got done shooting a Video
20:07 yNos brb
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20:09 dan9788wax wb ynos
20:14 ynos ty, and now it is time to go!
20:14 ynos later all
20:14 ynos have a good weekend.
20:15 astro73|alice bye
20:15 Experimentonomen wat does ynos do fer a livin, anythin ?
20:15 mashpriborintorg he's in IT I believe
20:16 angy he's trolling for a living
20:16 mashpriborintorg I'm preparing small stuffs for playing with my arduino, leds, 7-seg displays, 10k potentiometer, temperature sensor
20:17 Druidic_Rifleman http://shinkendotoronto.com/ looks interesting
20:17 BotSteve Title: Shinkendo Toronto
20:19 lwq1996 how the fuck is everyone
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20:22 dan9788wax Later Ya'll
20:22 Experimentonomen g'evenin leewee
20:23 Experimentonomen lee got teh swears :P
20:24 lwq1996 i got the pissed off, its contagious you know so you should probally stay away from me
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20:24 Experimentonomen whys u pissed off ?
20:26 lwq1996 school tends to piss me off so much
20:26 lwq1996 i dont know why
20:26 Experimentonomen shit school
20:27 Experimentonomen bullying class mates ? teachers that dont care ?
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20:29 Roadran422 Hi
20:29 HighMan Anything new today?
20:30 lwq1996 teachers a retard doesnt show us anything, aparently i was the only one that didnt know i tried to kill myself with a spoon
20:31 Experimentonomen wtf? O_o
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20:40 Druidic_Rifleman I had a sexist femifacist bitch for a teacher... bitch tried to falslyaccuse me of plotting to bring a gun to school and kill every one
20:41 lwq1996 i told a teacher i would bring a gun in and kill her once, she told the principle i got iss
20:44 * Druidic_Rifleman smacks lee
20:44 Seroster Yo folks
20:45 Seroster Voice to whoever gives me a free simple audiovisual editing software that can handle .3gp
20:46 Druidic_Rifleman wow using mod status for personal gain....
20:46 lwq1996 ^ so true
20:46 Seroster Complaints? Take it in #TGG:Administration.
20:46 Experimentonomen lee, a 14 year old threatening to kill a teacher, yeh thats bound to be called add and iss and whart not
20:47 lwq1996 i'll take it to my boot before i did that
20:47 Experimentonomen hm
20:47 lwq1996 experimentonmen iss is in school suspention
20:48 astro73|alice hey, they finally got chrome remoting out to the public
20:49 Experimentonomen ?
20:49 astro73|alice there's an app in the chrome market for remote desktop
20:49 astro73|alice it's been in chrome:flags for ages
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21:00 Electricguy i LOVE the autostop function on the tascam deck!
21:00 Electricguy it can auto stop or play when the counter hits 0000
21:00 tonsofpcs Seroster: input or output?
21:01 tonsofpcs Seroster: is a demo valid?
21:01 Seroster Not really, tonsofpcs
21:01 Seroster Input
21:01 tonsofpcs k
21:01 Experimentonomen Electricguy, so its giving new life to worn old tapes
21:01 tonsofpcs there's a new thing out there, I haven't used it really yet but it seems promising, it *might* support 3gp
21:02 tonsofpcs http://www.lightworksbeta.com/
21:02 BotSteve Title: Lightworks
21:02 Electricguy Experimentonomen, nah.. worn old tapes sound bad XD
21:02 Electricguy gonna buy some new tapes for it
21:02 tonsofpcs hmm
21:02 tonsofpcs apparently it does not support 3gp
21:02 Seroster Hm
21:02 tonsofpcs it is free though.  You could convert the 3gp to h.264 with vlc or perhaps even with handbrake?
21:02 Seroster Tyvm tonsofpcs, if you want voice you have to fight it out with lee and druid.
21:02 Experimentonomen can u actually still buy cassettes ? :o
21:03 Electricguy yes
21:03 tonsofpcs whhy would I want voice? :-p
21:03 Electricguy jula, kjell&co and clas ohlson got them
21:03 Electricguy and surely many more places
21:03 tonsofpcs also, why would I have to fight lee and druid? they don't have @s.
21:03 Electricguy lulz http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424203_392086540820805_205344452828349_1431254_619532002_n.jpg
21:03 Seroster tonsofpcs, They got pissy when I promised voice to whoever found me a free editor. =P
21:04 Experimentonomen i remember back when every grocery store had them, now ur lucky to find CD-R's
21:04 tonsofpcs Seroster: that's just because they don't know anything.
21:04 Electricguy a 4 track recorder is pretty nice.. :P you can record both sides at the same time :)
21:05 tonsofpcs both sides of what?
21:05 Electricguy i'm gonna do a mod to the tascam deck to be able to run it at normal speed
21:05 astro73|alice Seroster: you mean besides imovie, windows movie maker, and pitivi?
21:05 Electricguy tonsofpcs, a regular compact casette
21:05 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: pitivi? really? simpple?
21:05 Seroster astro73|alice, hence the second problem, needs to handle .3pp
21:05 tonsofpcs Electricguy: cassettes don't have sides.
21:06 astro73|alice tonsofpcs: i haven't used it, so i have no idea how simple it is. but it's free.
21:06 tonsofpcs all recording is on the outside :)
21:06 tonsofpcs actually!
21:06 Seroster wmm isn't useful, and our religion prohibits us from using i-products.
21:06 astro73|alice Seroster: does gstreamer do 3pp?
21:06 Electricguy yes i know.. but they got a A and a B side..
21:06 Electricguy you can't get the head in behind the tape..
21:06 tonsofpcs Seroster: I'm pretty sure VLMC can do it.  It's got some audio issues and it's essentially pre-alpha but if you just need to do some quick snips it might work
21:07 tonsofpcs Electricguy: yyou're just flipping it to put the playback head next to the other two tracks...
21:07 Electricguy no shit sherlock
21:07 Seroster tonsofpcs, Exactly that problem, the audio didn't just have an issue, it diasppeared in cybernetic oblivion
21:07 Electricguy i know how a casette works
21:07 tonsofpcs Seroster: oh, you tried vlmc then?
21:07 Electricguy even if i'm 19, i know what a casette is and how it works. amazing huh?
21:07 tonsofpcs (also, it crashes a lot and you can't snap things together)
21:07 Experimentonomen im still rocking the cassettes actively, in my bedroom :P
21:07 astro73|alice Seroster: pitivi is the gnome answer to NLE, based on the gstreamer framework (which is used in several applications on the gnome desktop)
21:08 tonsofpcs Electricguy: there's an unopened cassette (still in plastic!) behind me
21:08 Electricguy lol ok
21:08 tonsofpcs mind you, I found it yesterday in the bottom of the box of random phone system tools/parts
21:08 Electricguy i'm gonna buy some new ones. then i have a bunch of unopened ones
21:08 tonsofpcs TDK "High Output"!
21:08 Electricguy i got a unopened reel to reel tape in a shelf too
21:08 tonsofpcs D90
21:08 tonsofpcs we've got cases of 1/4" reels here.
21:09 * Electricguy looks at his pile with TDK SA-X C90 tapes
21:09 tonsofpcs (mind you, here is a radio/TV station and we even have a 1/4" machine hooked up)
21:09 Experimentonomen reel to reel is fun
21:09 tonsofpcs (we also have 1" video decks hooked up)
21:10 tonsofpcs (no more quad though, sorry)
21:11 Experimentonomen tonsofpcs, got pics ?
21:14 tonsofpcs of what?
21:15 JA12 imperial ton of pics
21:16 tonsofpcs ?
21:17 JA12 I have no idea what you guys are talking about, idk even what I'm talking about. moving on...
21:19 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: what do you want pics of?
21:22 Druidic_Rifleman ow i just hit my baby toe off 100 12 gauge shells
21:22 tonsofpcs fired them or kicked them?
21:22 Druidic_Rifleman kicked them
21:22 tonsofpcs eh, they'll be fine.
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21:27 JA12 a friend of mine is planning to buy 4500 12 gauge shells
21:27 JA12 for skeet shooting
21:28 tonsofpcs I hear Druidic_Rifleman has some for sale; only been kicked once
21:29 JA12 =)
21:30 astro73|alice and i'm done!
21:32 tonsofpcs astro73|alice: take that to #TGG:NSFW  :-p
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21:50 ynos Cprossu_Laptop: you around?
21:52 Electricguy bedtime. night all
21:52 ynos gnite
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22:15 Sgt_Lemming .t tgg
22:15 BotSteve Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:15:35 TGG
22:20 Experimentonomen *yawn*ok its bedtime
22:20 Experimentonomen nite peepz
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22:33 * Roadran422 HAck
22:33 Roadran422 Hi Toastdude
22:33 * Roadran422 masterofmonks Good Morning Sire.
22:33 Toastdude HHello
22:33 Roadran422 Anything new/
22:35 Toastdude I'm getting glasses
22:36 Roadran422 New ones? Or for the first time?
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22:48 Roadran422 Hi BitViper
22:49 Toastdude First time
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22:51 Roadran422 Toastdude, Oh cool
22:51 Roadran422 Near or Farsighted?
22:51 Toastdude Yeah.. turns out I have 20/40 vision in one eye and 20/50 in the other...
22:51 Toastdude Near
22:52 Roadran422 Ah same, I got -1.5 in both eyes.
22:55 masterofmonks Toastdude, time for glasses?
22:55 Toastdude Yeah
22:56 * masterofmonks ups your nerd cred.
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22:56 Roadran422 My damn eyeglass maker screwed my glasses up so that it looks better when it's f'ing all the way up and close to my face.
22:56 Roadran422 It doesn't like to stay up.
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23:12 tehdark45 .yuno
23:12 BotSteve Printer: Y U NO PRINT?????????????
23:14 Roadran422 lol
23:16 Roadran422 .yuno
23:16 BotSteve Facebook Chat: Y U NO GO FAST????????????????
23:17 * Roadran422 I might be a bit racist but are all of the YUNO statements, something a black person would say?
23:17 Roadran422 .yuno
23:17 BotSteve Soup: Y U NO STAY IN BOWL???????????????
23:17 masterofmonks Roadran422, none that I know.
23:18 Roadran422 Idk it's just me being a bit stereotypical
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23:27 astro73|alice who knows how to convert a WPS (Microsoft Works) file? Everything i try to feed it to rejects it
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23:37 lwq1996 toasty what you want is contacts, they are the shit :P
23:38 Toastdude Haha, I'd hate contacts.
23:39 y007-nb guys
23:39 y007-nb the lamp here is networked >_>
23:39 y007-nb http://i.imgur.com/1lm8b.jpg
23:40 Toastdude Awesome. :P
23:40 y007-nb i want to know why tho :/
23:42 astro73|alice toast, i thought glasses were supposed to be all the way up your nose?
23:42 Toastdude So they can control the amount of light output? :P
23:42 Toastdude They are, I thought
23:44 lwq1996 toast your first time having the puff test?
23:44 Toastdude Yup
23:44 lwq1996 now everytime since you will jump
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23:47 Toastdude I liked being able to see clearly... too bad I'll have to wait 10 days to get them in.
23:47 Roadran422 Lol
23:48 lwq1996 toast they'll be in, in like 5days if you have a good doctor that sends you paper work out right away
23:49 Roadran422 ^Or better yet one that does them ONSITE!
23:49 astro73|alice ok, the hoops i have to jump through to open a m$ works file? absurd and obnoxious
23:50 Roadran422 I waited ~2 hours for my last pair since the insurance couldn't cover for them and they had to do it on sight. But the insurance reimbursed it at the end
23:50 Toastdude Don't have insurance..
23:51 Roadran422 You payed in full?
23:51 lwq1996 roadran are you even legally a citizen yet?
23:51 lwq1996 :P
23:51 Roadran422 lwq1996, I was born in the U.S.
23:51 lwq1996 i know just being an ass
23:51 Roadran422 My parent's have been here since 1980s?
23:51 Roadran422 :P ^
23:52 lwq1996 my insurance company didnt cover everything but they covered a big portion of it
23:52 Roadran422 Same, I have a pair of ray-bans with UV and a strong lense for ~200?
23:53 lwq1996 mines like 130 dollars i just got them 2 weeks ago
23:53 Roadran422 Cool
23:54 lwq1996 they have a blue tint to them
23:54 Roadran422 Mine are just clear
23:54 Roadran422 In the sun they get a bit darer
23:54 lwq1996 no the frames im talking about, not glass
23:55 Roadran422 http://theopticshop.co.uk/images/P/Ray%20Ban%20Glasses%20RB6169%202502.png
23:55 Roadran422 Mine ^
23:55 Toastdude Mine was about $370 and yes, was paid in full.
23:55 Roadran422 O_O Why no insurance?
23:55 lwq1996 toast was that your full check up or the glasses?
23:55 Toastdude Because of my dad.
23:56 Roadran422 ...?
23:56 Toastdude The glasses
23:56 lwq1996 holy fuck
23:56 Toastdude Wait... Nevermind, the glasses and checkup
23:59 * Roadran422 Tomorrow is the best day ever!
23:59 Toastdude Why?
23:59 Roadran422 1. Concert. 2. I can talk to someone on the bus ride there to settle a few things... 3. Might even ask her to go see a movie... If things go as planned.

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