Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-03-08

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00:01 coleco Are there any hobby electroics shops in the GR area?
00:02 coleco Gotta pick up a breadboard and some things, and I would like to have a selection larger than radioshack...
00:03 SuperToast I need lot's of wire...
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00:12 Seroster Riiight
00:12 Seroster Cya folks
00:20 BitViper anyone have a way of getting hold of ynos ?
00:20 tlockley facebook?
00:20 BitViper hrm, well, i guess, if he's around his puter
00:21 Druidic_Rifleman YAY he's gone
00:22 Druidic_Rifleman has speedrunner said any thing all wek
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00:24 SuperToast Thermoelectric!
00:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell Psu to a lab psu. Any ideas?
00:43 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Yes.
00:44 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Put it down, don't pick it up again.
00:44 HighMan_MFT_Cell No.
00:45 Monkeh|Lap Don't play around inside a PSU.
00:46 HighMan_MFT_Cell I got a 100-127 AC in to 5v in at 25a, 3.3v at 18a, 5VSB at 2a, +12v at 19a and -12v at. 8a
00:46 BatSteve HighMan_MFT_Cell: I recommend instead of playing with it, you go make a sandwich.
00:46 BatSteve But that's only because I like sandwiches.
00:46 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
00:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell Let me get wire cutters.
00:47 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: You've got a supply of fairly limited utility for a lab supply.
00:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell I'm bored :p
00:48 Monkeh|Lap And playing with potentially lethal devices is not a way to alleviate boredom.
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00:50 HighMan_MFT_Cell Wires cut.
00:51 Monkeh|Lap Why?
00:51 JA12 .tell wannabe1987 this is what Japanese think of salty liquorice :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtMY_27PTc
00:51 BotSteve Sorry, .tell is not yet implemented.  Use BotSteve: tell
00:51 BotSteve Title: Salmiakki + Japanese people = Hilarity ensues - YouTube
00:51 JA12 huh?
00:51 JA12 ah
00:52 JA12 BotSteve: tell wannabe1987 this is what Japanese think of salty liquorice :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtMY_27PTc
00:52 BotSteve JA12: I'll pass that on when wannabe1987 is around.
00:52 BotSteve Title: Salmiakki + Japanese people = Hilarity ensues - YouTube
00:52 JA12 thanks BotSteve
00:52 BotSteve No problem, JA12
00:52 injektion Should I buy a car that was once owned by someone in FL?
00:53 HighMan_MFT_Cell Got wire nuts
00:53 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: ....
00:54 HighMan_MFT_Cell Looking  up diagram.
00:54 Monkeh|Lap .. for what?
00:54 HighMan_MFT_Cell Psu
00:55 Monkeh|Lap ...
00:55 JA12 injektion: idk but if you're ever buying a boat that's previously owned by blind female teacher who lives in the desert, go for it
00:56 injektion Lol
00:58 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh|lap, tie wires togetherk
00:59 Monkeh|Lap So you're not actually making anything useful.
01:00 HighMan_MFT_Cell Can you tell me how to?..
01:00 Monkeh|Lap People have tried before.
01:01 HighMan_MFT_Cell Black ground, then tie same colors together (red, black, yellow, orange)
01:01 Monkeh|Lap Why?
01:02 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh... please... unless you want a man dead.
01:02 Monkeh|Lap Please what?
01:02 HighMan_MFT_Cell Explain
01:02 Monkeh|Lap Tell you to go ahead and prod at things you don't understand?
01:02 Monkeh|Lap I'm asking you to. If you don't have the answer to a question, go find it.
01:03 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok, well I hope I don't die XD
01:03 Monkeh|Lap You really should get a few more years of education and some adult supervision before you go playing with this stuff.
01:04 HighMan_MFT_Cell Well, I tied all same together.
01:04 Monkeh|Lap But why did you do that?
01:05 HighMan_MFT_Cell I remember reading that...
01:06 HighMan_MFT_Cell Green to black
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01:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell 1 more nut...  hmmm..
01:15 HighMan_MFT_Cell Purple and blue wire on psu,why?
01:16 Monkeh|Lap You're the one who supposedly looked it up.
01:17 HighMan_MFT_Cell I did purple is 5v standby, 12v negative is blue
01:18 Monkeh|Lap Well there you go
01:18 HighMan_MFT_Cell So no black to +12vk
01:19 HighMan_MFT_Cell *12v?
01:19 Monkeh|Lap Do you know what connecting ground to +12V is called?
01:20 HighMan_MFT_Cell Shorting it, but if I had to power something, 12v+ to yellow, - to what?
01:21 Monkeh|Lap You have to ask that?
01:21 HighMan_MFT_Cell Yes...
01:21 Monkeh|Lap Well which do you think you'd connect it to?
01:21 HighMan_MFT_Cell -12v
01:21 Monkeh|Lap Do you have a white wire?
01:22 HighMan_MFT_Cell I clipped brown accidently
01:23 HighMan_MFT_Cell I got a huge Wad of cables.
01:24 Monkeh|Lap I know that.
01:24 HighMan_MFT_Cell ....
01:24 HighMan_MFT_Cell Spade connectors be nice now.
01:25 HighMan_MFT_Cell So...
01:25 Monkeh|Lap So, why do you think connecting +12V to -12V is a good idea?
01:25 HighMan_MFT_Cell Why would it be there then?
01:26 Monkeh|Lap To provide a -12V supply?
01:26 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
01:26 Monkeh|Lap What?
01:26 HighMan_MFT_Cell So, yes o no?
01:27 Monkeh|Lap I'm trying to get you to figure it out for yourself.
01:27 * HighMan_MFT_Cell Next trip to mall, spade connectors, bannana plugs, and electrical tape.
01:27 Hackbat http://player.vimeo.com/video/38068014?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0&autoplay=1
01:27 BotSteve Title: Tennessee Lawmakers: We Need To Chat
01:27 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Get a book on basic electrical theory while you're there.
01:28 HighMan_MFT_Cell I think that power goes from + to -.
01:28 Hackbat super awesome video is super awesome
01:28 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: No.
01:28 HighMan_MFT_Cell Then no...
01:29 HighMan_MFT_Cell So, 12+ to ground
01:29 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Please do not confuse the positive and negative polarity markings of devices and batteries with positive and negative voltages referenced to a common ground.
01:30 HighMan_MFT_Cell Then...  12v + to 12v -!!!!
01:30 * BatSteve leaves to go have dinner.  If HighMan kills himself between now and when I get back, leave me a tell.
01:30 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: I did not say that.
01:31 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: There is no '12v -', how can there be?
01:31 HighMan_MFT_Cell I GOT LEDS TO. TEST ON 3.3! :)
01:31 Monkeh|Lap There is a ground. There are voltages referenced to it.
01:31 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok...?
01:31 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Do you have a meter?
01:32 HighMan_MFT_Cell I broke it...
01:32 Monkeh|Lap .. You broke it?
01:33 HighMan_MFT_Cell I tried to solder some wires fireads, LCD came apart.
01:33 Monkeh|Lap You.. what?
01:33 HighMan_MFT_Cell You heard me right, a cheap 5 dolllar meter.
01:34 Monkeh|Lap No, I didn't hear you right, because it didn't make any sense.
01:34 SuperToast Lol
01:34 HighMan_MFT_Cell Oh, sorry autocorrect.
01:35 HighMan_MFT_Cell *wire to lead connections
01:35 Monkeh|Lap Right.
01:35 Monkeh|Lap Still not sure how you managed to break it.
01:35 Monkeh|Lap Now put the PSU down until you have appropriate tools.
01:36 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...wait...
01:37 HighMan_MFT_Cell I almost burnt my hand and fried a led at 3.3v
01:37 HighMan_MFT_Cell Its rated at 1.5v
01:38 Monkeh|Lap You don't just stick LEDs across a supply.
01:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ommo
01:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell * need resistors, but it works.
01:38 Monkeh|Lap What's the LED forward voltage and required current?
01:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell ....
01:39 Monkeh|Lap Do you not know?
01:40 astro73|mal smooth
01:41 Monkeh|Lap astro73|mal: What, his EEG?
01:41 astro73|mal :P
01:42 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
01:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell Also need a meter... And a switch.
01:44 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: You need a real meter and a book on basic electrical theory.
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01:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell Need 60 bucks, and I should cover hots if I just have enoughkk
01:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell *Enough?
01:45 Monkeh|Lap That'll do you for a meter
01:45 Monkeh|Lap Won't get you much else
01:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell ....
01:48 Monkeh|Lap Too rich for your blood?
01:48 HighMan_MFT_Cell What's that supposed to mean?
01:49 Monkeh|Lap .. Too expensive?
01:50 HighMan_MFT_Cell Yes...
01:50 Monkeh|Lap Tools cost.
01:50 Monkeh|Lap Deal with it.
01:50 HighMan_MFT_Cell I took blood as something racial.
01:50 Monkeh|Lap That's outrageously cheap, frankly, but it's remarkable what you can get for the money.
01:51 HighMan_MFT_Cell True, I'm gonna get a job over the summer
01:51 Monkeh|Lap If you want a proper meter you can bet on paying closer to $400.
01:52 HighMan_MFT_Cell A good extech, a Hakko, and a few components.
01:52 Monkeh|Lap Why an Extech?
01:52 HighMan_MFT_Cell And tools.
01:53 HighMan_MFT_Cell Extech 550, I was watching eevblog how to set an electronics lab up.
01:53 Monkeh|Lap You can watch that, get the first idea of what he's talking about, and still want to connect +12V to -12V?
01:54 HighMan_MFT_Cell I don't think so....
01:54 Monkeh|Lap So you didn't understand what he was talking about, then.
01:54 HighMan_MFT_Cell We got in a curve from that to parts.
01:56 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: You can do better than the Extech for the money.
01:56 BitViper WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT .... THE LOBBY SIGN IS ***LIVE***
01:57 HighMan_MFT_Cell What do you reckon? Auto range and thermo be nice..
01:57 Monkeh|Lap You won't need a thermocouple.
01:57 HighMan_MFT_Cell CONGRATS!!!!!!!
01:57 HighMan_MFT_Cell It'd be nice...
01:57 Monkeh|Lap What for?
01:57 HighMan_MFT_Cell Just to probe and fun.
01:58 coleco :p I just at the sticker on this apple
01:58 coleco gah
02:01 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
02:02 coleco I eat stickers all the time dude
02:02 HighMan_MFT_Cell Lol chris's thumb...
02:03 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh|lap ?
02:03 Monkeh|Lap What?
02:03 HighMan_MFT_Cell Any recommendations?
02:03 Monkeh|Lap For?
02:03 HighMan_MFT_Cell Meter
02:03 tonsofpcs for?
02:03 Monkeh|Lap Depends on your requirements.
02:04 tonsofpcs por que necessitas un meter?
02:04 HighMan_MFT_Cell Porque, yo no quiero me motion.
02:04 HighMan_MFT_Cell *morio
02:05 HighMan_MFT_Cell Its either muero or morio.
02:06 HighMan_MFT_Cell As for requirements, basic + thermo.
02:06 HighMan_MFT_Cell And auto range?
02:08 * Monkeh|Lap hands off to tonsofpcs
02:10 epictang0 blah
02:11 Cprossu hey egrsteve did you get my messages/get to the lab today?
02:11 Cprossu .seen egrsteve
02:11 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw egrsteve 18.45 hours ago at 2012-03-07 07:44:07 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:11:21 UTC
02:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell .seen istas
02:11 BotSteve HighMan_MFT_Cell: I last saw Istas 9.47 hours ago at 2012-03-07 16:43:16 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 02:11:23 UTC
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02:20 coleco Half the IC's I want are on back order for samples till March. Raspberry Pi is on backorder till god knows when... ;_;
02:20 coleco *late march
02:22 Cheezmo what kinda ICs?
02:22 coleco Also, where can I pick up a breadboard around here other tha radioshack?
02:22 Cheezmo radioshack is where you should go to steal things, or else nag the shit out of them until they give you cost plus 10%
02:23 coleco I don't know what's around here dude, i'm from metro detroit. I usually just went to electronics connection when I was too impatient to order online.
02:23 Cheezmo I'm from Western Canadea, I have less of a clue, haha
02:24 Cheezmo Canada*
02:24 coleco Half the microcontrollers I wanted to sample are on backorder. Oh, and a MAX232 is on backorder too
02:25 coleco hell, what ISENT on backorder that I sampled from Maxim..
02:25 Cheezmo ever get samples from Texas Instruments?
02:27 coleco Yeah, if what I want isent on backorder they always overnight stuff to me.
02:27 coleco I just got two opamps in on monday. I also ordered two different MSP430's that are on backorder till late march
02:29 coleco I've sampled from Maxim, Microchip, and TI before. They all been great.
02:29 Cheezmo oh neat, Texas Instruments shows inventory statuses of Digi-Key, Mouser, and Rochester o3o
02:30 coleco If you're ordering samples, order what you need and nothing more, and never be greedy.
02:30 Cheezmo they also have MAX232EIN chips in stock for samples
02:30 coleco and a .edu or biz email helps alot
02:31 HighMan_MFT_Cell for my lab psu from a psu, can I split the anecdotes colored wires in to two sets?
02:31 Cheezmo HighMan_MFT_Cell, what?
02:32 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: He's attempting to blindly adapt an ATX PSU into a 'lab PSU'.
02:32 Cheezmo I've done that
02:32 coleco I have too, but if you can't refernce this stuff on youre on, you're asking for trouble.
02:33 HighMan_MFT_Cell Well on my old psu, I cut all the wires, grounded green to ground and paired all same colored wires together (red, black, orange and yellow). So could I slit up pairs In to two pairs?
02:33 Cheezmo I took an ATX 2.0 and strung a switch into the green wire. Used that for a bench psu to run some fans for a soldering station
02:33 Cheezmo it;s around somewhere
02:34 HighMan_MFT_Cell So can i?
02:34 Cheezmo you can take any of the red/orange/blue/yellow wires out for their individual uses
02:34 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: Yes, but I think you grasp the concept of ground reference. Also the problems with ATX PSUs.
02:34 Cheezmo they're all reference to black ground
02:35 HighMan_MFT_Cell Then... could I just use 1 wire?
02:35 Monkeh|Lap Possibly.
02:35 Cheezmo I'd hope I have knowledge of ground reference... I'm an avionics technician and I'v done 2-wire phone line work for a control system
02:35 HighMan_MFT_Cell Yes or no?...
02:35 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: I said possibly.
02:36 Cheezmo HighMan_MFT_Cell, I wouldn't put more than about 3/4 amp through one wire
02:36 HighMan_MFT_Cell Should I?
02:36 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: You shouldn't be doing this at all.
02:36 coleco I could tell you stories about people electrocuting themselves with power supplies, but I wont even....
02:37 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ill just split them in to two - three wires, then hook up with spade connectors and bannana connector.
02:37 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Y'know, you'll learn a lot if you bother to read.
02:38 Cheezmo HighMan_MFT_Cell: I suggest some sturdy neoprene gloves and safety glasses
02:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell Tell me a book.
02:38 Monkeh|Lap I can't off the top of my head.
02:38 Monkeh|Lap Why not ask a teacher?
02:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell Cheezmo, shyly
02:38 Monkeh|Lap That is what they're for.
02:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell Which?
02:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell *why
02:39 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Uh, science?
02:39 Monkeh|Lap How should I know what classes you're in?
02:39 HighMan_MFT_Cell Chemistry...
02:39 Cheezmo http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Computer-ATX-Power-Supply-to-a-Lab-Power-Supply
02:39 BotSteve Title: How to Convert a Computer ATX Power Supply to a Lab Power Supply
02:39 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: Please don't do that.
02:39 Monkeh|Lap He doesn't need encouraging.
02:40 Cheezmo I suggested safety equipment first
02:40 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: He doesn't even have tools or basic knowledge, safety equipment won't help.
02:40 HighMan_MFT_Cell WHY. WHY BE HATING ON ONE TRYING!?!?!?
02:40 Monkeh|Lap You're trying the wrong way and won't listen to any advice.
02:41 HighMan_MFT_Cell I will fail, I will win
02:41 epictang0 HighMan_MFT_Cell: can you put this on webcam...i need some entertainment
02:41 HighMan_MFT_Cell I have no working comp.
02:41 epictang0 watching you kludge your way to electricution just might do it
02:42 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: No, see, he broke his PC doing something silly and hasn't fixed it.
02:42 HighMan_MFT_Cell And I am really done... no use for this psu now
02:42 HighMan_MFT_Cell Minkeh, FYI I am just setting it aside. Ill fix it later.
02:42 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: it sounds like he has a deathwish...might as well make a viral PSA
02:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell I will learn.
02:43 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: No, he just doesn't understand what he's trying to do or the various dangers.
02:44 HighMan_MFT_Cell Fear of death are the least of my concerns.
02:44 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Yes, now SLOW DOWN, learn IN SCHOOL, read BOOKS, and have an ADULT supervise while you play with these things
02:44 HighMan_MFT_Cell I will read, so long as I know WHAT to read.
02:44 epictang0 HighMan_MFT_Cell: further, you do not understand the demons you are playing with...
02:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ik not to lick it live.
02:45 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: Go to a library, ask someone to help you find books on electrical theory, be prepared for your math skills not to be there yet.
02:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok...
02:45 * Cheezmo worked in a commercial shop that used a rectified hi-pot tester to try and test things like a DC Megger...
02:46 Cheezmo somehow nobody had the brain to realize it would never work
02:46 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: *eyebrow raised*
02:46 epictang0 find a good local electronics store (not radioshack)...hang out...ask questions
02:46 epictang0 and shut up
02:46 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: why would an avionics technician need a ground reference? it's all the way down there :)
02:46 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Where's my troll spray?
02:46 Cheezmo tonsofpcs, we also use RadAlt ;D
02:46 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: you wasted it all on HighMan_MFT_Cell.
02:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell ..
02:47 tonsofpcs also, you clearly missed the :)
02:47 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: I did not :)
02:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh, you are. Yahoo
02:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell *Yah.
02:47 Monkeh|Lap HighMan_MFT_Cell: What?
02:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell Just, yah.
02:48 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: having played too much flight sim, idk how I feel about an altimeter that has an actual reading.
02:48 Cheezmo lol
02:48 tonsofpcs (yes, I do realize how backwards that is)
02:49 Cheezmo So the UPS shop I worked at had this scary DC insulation test procedure... We'd use the AC insulation test box and this thing would rectify it to DC...
02:49 Cheezmo it was suppowed to detect leakage, but all it did was charge a giant capacitor and not do anything
02:50 tonsofpcs I mean, flight sim devs have spent years developing code to report a skewed number that doesn't match that of their physics engine.  If we use direct readings, it will make their work be for naught ;)
02:50 Cheezmo but they thought since it didn't fail, that it worked
02:50 Monkeh|Lap Cheezmo: Why seperate tests anyway? If it's good at 2500VAC, it's sure as hell good at 2500VDC..
02:50 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: erm... Don't you test your test equipment on known good and known bad samples?
02:50 Cheezmo it was the regulated procedure
02:50 Cheezmo I was somehow the first person to calibrate the box SOMEHOW
02:51 Monkeh|Lap Who designed it and why didn't you hit them over the head with it?
02:51 Cheezmo they got laid off months before with the other 30 or so
02:51 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: clearly it was designed by the guy that Cheezmo replaced
02:51 Cheezmo the insulation was suppowed to fail at less than 1M ohm, and when I put a 750k ohm resistor, it didn't fail
02:51 Cheezmo clearly
02:52 Cheezmo somehow in the distraction of laughing with the guys about how jank it was, I forgot to discharge and went to pull the resistor off
02:52 tonsofpcs did it fail at 0 ohm?
02:53 Cheezmo about 540Vdc threw my arm back nicely
02:53 Cheezmo nice entry and exit marks on my thumb a half inch apart
02:54 Cheezmo tonsofpcs, I didn't have to go that far
02:54 Cheezmo also, 0 ohm was the baseline test to make sure it failed, so yes
02:54 Cheezmo it would have just been however many volts less about 1.4V from the rectifier
02:54 Cheezmo usually fails pretty quick
02:55 tonsofpcs hmm... why does xplane for the tablet have a concorde available when you can't fly between regions :(
02:55 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: that's good at least
02:55 Cheezmo I kinda Office Space'd that job
02:56 Cheezmo decided to just not show up one day because I just didn't give a shit
02:56 Cheezmo boss was a dick and was driving the company into the ground
02:56 Cheezmo he somehow drove Energizer of all companies away
02:56 Cheezmo yeah, Energizer was gonna do a buyout and he fucked it royally
02:57 Cheezmo I'll definitely miss the $40k salary, but damn I won't miss the bullshit
03:01 coleco Cheezmo: I have a story like that about somebody getting electrocuted. It involves a 220vdc lab supply that was in a high school electronics class for some reason.
03:01 coleco and a metal table
03:01 Cheezmo my old high school electronics lab had metal tables too :P
03:01 BatSteve yo
03:01 BotSteve batsteve: I have the following messages for you:
03:01 BotSteve At 01:33Z, SuperToast asked me to Tell batsteve this:   https://gist.github.com/ec6462481524e69253fa
03:02 epictang0 coleco: psh...my highschool had power supplies on each science lab table
03:02 Cheezmo yo Steeeeve
03:02 BatSteve hey Cheezmo
03:03 Cheezmo how'd the day treat you today?
03:04 BatSteve Pretty good - I went out running and found a lunch place I had never been to before, turns out it's only been open 4 days.
03:04 Cheezmo swanky :D
03:04 BatSteve Pretty cool.
03:04 BatSteve you?
03:04 Cheezmo I filled a hole
03:04 Cheezmo I dug the hole on Friday/monday
03:05 Cheezmo about 4x1.5' and 4 feet deep with another 1.5' cube hole at the bottom
03:05 Cheezmo so much dirt and rocks
03:05 Cheezmo never dug a hole even close to that big before
03:06 Cheezmo nothin says getting back in shape like a physically demanding job
03:08 epictang0 i usually hire crap like that out to the migrants at home depot
03:08 epictang0 $10 and an hour later they are done
03:08 Cheezmo we don't have those in Canada
03:08 BatSteve Is that the only reason you dug the hole?
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03:08 epictang0 well that sucks...you can have some of ours...we will share
03:08 BatSteve hi SuperToast, I saw the code, looks snazzy
03:09 Cheezmo it's my job and I'm the new guy, lul
03:09 Cheezmo I didn't mind though
03:10 coleco Cheezmo: have you sampled parts from Maxim before? Should I email them if I diddent get a email conformation after 48 hours?
03:10 Cheezmo only ever got samples from TI
03:10 tonsofpcs ok, just flew LGA > T&G TEB > EWR
03:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell Night. monkeh|lap
03:11 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: you don't have day laborers in canada?
03:12 coleco I had to cancel my initial order because it was going to ship to my old address. I replaced the order and they never emailed me back :/
03:12 Cheezmo Up where we are, the mexicans and Quebecois are only here in the summer/fall working the orchards
03:12 tonsofpcs wait, the quebecois act as day laborers?
03:13 Cheezmo orchard pickers
03:13 epictang0 lol
03:13 Cheezmo my job title is Labourer, btw P:
03:13 HighMan_MFT_Cell Highest current through a 16 gauge wire at 3.3, 5 and 12v DC please
03:13 epictang0 HighMan_MFT_Cell: get a book
03:13 Druidic_Rifleman cheezmo where are youfrom
03:13 tonsofpcs HighMan_MFT_Cell: depends.
03:13 Cheezmo Kelowna, BC Canada
03:13 Druidic_Rifleman ah
03:13 Cheezmo HighMan_MFT_Cell: http://www.docthrock.com/Electrical_files/WireSizeChart.JPG
03:14 epictang0 HighMan_MFT_Cell: I recommend Pocket Ref by Thomas J Glover
03:14 HighMan_MFT_Cell Just generally?
03:14 tonsofpcs HighMan_MFT_Cell: I recommend an education on fuses.
03:14 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok..
03:14 BatSteve or Google it
03:14 BatSteve epictang0: Pocket Ref is an excellent book
03:14 HighMan_MFT_Cell Night
03:14 tonsofpcs code and reality don't always line up.
03:14 epictang0 BatSteve: hell yes it is...
03:15 epictang0 use that on the daily almost
03:15 tonsofpcs I have "Electricians Pocket Manual" here and I don't know what its use is...
03:15 epictang0 everyone that deals with anything engineering related needs a copy of pocket ref...
03:15 Cheezmo AC43-13.1B Chapter 11 is my bff
03:20 Cprossu epictang0: Anyone who deals in vintage computers needs Pocket PCRef
03:20 Cprossu heheehehe
03:21 Cprossu little thing saved my bacon when I was 10
03:21 Cprossu esp for hard drives
03:22 epictang0 i have that one too
03:22 Cprossu I have at least 3 editions I think
03:23 Cprossu have they released a new one in the last decade?
03:23 Cprossu I don't think I checked
03:23 epictang0 and DeskRef
03:23 epictang0 I have Edition 1 and 3
03:23 epictang0 4 is out
03:23 Cprossu yeah I have 1, 2, and 3
03:23 Cprossu but not 4
03:24 Cprossu HOLY CRAP
03:24 Cprossu says 14'th
03:24 Cprossu I _thought_ I had 1,2, and 3
03:24 Cprossu I better check lol
03:24 Cprossu the new one is yellow? o_o
03:24 Cprossu a little weird
03:25 Cprossu either way
03:25 Cprossu http://www.sequoiapublishing.com/pdt_pocketpcref.htm
03:25 BotSteve Title: Pocket PCRef
03:25 Cprossu I need to get a new one at some point =D
03:26 Cprossu I miss tri-tek =(
03:26 Cprossu they used to be a 2 minute drive from me
03:31 Cprossu now it's a 16 mile haul
03:31 Cprossu at least they still exist though!
03:37 BatSteve Which of the following is NOT an actual interest group formed by Google employees? A) Women's basketball B) Buffy fans C) Cricketeers D) Nobel winners E) Wine club
03:38 BatSteve With any other company, the answer would be D.
03:38 BatSteve With Google....i really don't know.
03:38 epictang0 i would say D
03:38 epictang0 Nobel winners tend to be more on the academic side
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03:40 wannabe1987 guess who has webz at home noe?!
03:40 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
03:40 wannabe1987 now*
03:40 wannabe1987 THIS GIRL
03:40 BotSteve At 00:52Z, JA12 asked me to tell wannabe1987 this is what Japanese think of salty liquorice :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtMY_27PTc
03:40 wannabe1987 the toilet is spitting out money....
03:41 wannabe1987 .seen TGG-ZozoAFK
03:41 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Tgg-Zozo 7.20 hours ago at 2012-03-07 20:29:35 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:41:27 UTC
03:41 wannabe1987 7 hours, eh?
03:41 wannabe1987 .seen BitViper|Sleep
03:41 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw BitViper 1.75 hours ago at 2012-03-08 01:56:56 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:41:48 UTC
03:41 wannabe1987 wheres he sleepin at anyway?
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03:48 wannabe1987 noes
03:48 wannabe1987 there was another EQ in haiti :(
03:48 wannabe1987 4.6, lasted 5 seconds
03:52 wannabe1987 .seen toastdude
03:52 wannabe1987 .seen lwq-rage
03:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw SuperToast 2.30 hours ago at 2012-03-08 01:34:44 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:52:45 UTC
03:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw lwq1996 15.73 hours ago at 2012-03-07 12:08:57 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:52:47 UTC
03:52 lwq-rage yes?
03:53 wannabe1987 hi
03:53 lwq-rage hi
03:53 wannabe1987 whatcha ragin about?
03:55 * wannabe1987 wants to know if zozo and ajprog_laptop like carrot cake
03:55 wannabe1987 .radar tgg
03:55 BotSteve wannabe1987: No such location, or can't find radar data
03:55 wannabe1987 .radar 49428
03:55 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=GRR&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
03:56 BatSteve that should be fixed.
03:56 wannabe1987 yes
03:56 wannabe1987 and the winds not blowing anything in.  how strange
03:57 BatSteve Cold front isn't here yet.
03:57 wannabe1987 i see
03:58 wannabe1987 i like this warm weather.  why must it go away?
04:01 BatSteve Who here classifies themselves as homosexual and wants to help educate me?  (bearing in mind that I might unknowingly say something that you find offensive)
04:01 wannabe1987 in
04:02 wannabe1987 educate you on what?
04:03 BatSteve I read something, it made me start thinking.  I want to see what someone who doesn't share my beliefs thinks of it, and tell me where I might be wrong.
04:04 Cprossu ...in the world
04:04 wannabe1987 hi cpro
04:05 BatSteve ?
04:06 Cprossu japanese and salted licorice?
04:06 Cprossu "JA12 asked me to tell wannabe1987 this is what Japanese think of salty liquorice :) "
04:06 wannabe1987 lol i didn't click the link....
04:06 wannabe1987 they got some finnish candy into the lab with the wood samples
04:06 Cprossu I didn't either lol
04:07 Cprossu 'ammonium chloride' candy
04:07 Cprossu I heard
04:08 wannabe1987 my body is trying to kill me i think.....someone make it stop!!!!!
04:08 wannabe1987 thankfully i have friday, monday and tuesday off :D
04:09 wannabe1987 DAYS AT THE LAB woot
04:09 Cprossu AHHHH I SEE NOW!
04:09 wannabe1987 i'm supposed to learn something to help out
04:09 Cprossu wikipedia for the win!
04:09 Cprossu "Ammonium chloride is used to spice up dark sweets called salty liquorice"
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04:10 wannabe1987 hi todd
04:18 JA12 Cprossu: you heard correctly
04:19 JA12 hi wannabe1987
04:19 wannabe1987 hi jani
04:21 wannabe1987 hows you?
04:21 JA12 hydrochloric acid and ammonia, the key ingredients of a candy that the japanese don't like. well, japanese are strange anyway =)
04:21 wannabe1987 mhm
04:21 JA12 I'm good. thanks
04:21 JA12 you're not?
04:22 wannabe1987 my job hurts my body
04:22 JA12 no surprises there. it broke you again?
04:22 wannabe1987 not quite, just back pain
04:22 wannabe1987 and noones here to fix it....cuz i went back to my place
04:23 JA12 you can't move?
04:24 JA12 and no, no sarcasm
04:24 wannabe1987 no, i can move.  i just hurt when i move.  dr appt in AM for meds.  looking into applying for other jobs, but theres not many avail :/
04:24 JA12 that has happened to two of my friends
04:25 wannabe1987 i'm going to move when we get TGG boarding house working.....but until then i'm stuck here...or at jeffs :P
04:25 JA12 just keep trying. there will be another job for you
04:28 JA12 idk how your current job would be suitable for anyone
04:28 wannabe1987 well, really strong people....:P
04:28 JA12 or stupid
04:28 wannabe1987 people with unlimited ammounts of patience
04:28 tonsofpcs JA12: japanese don't like ammonia candy? they like everything!
04:29 tonsofpcs what if they made an ammonia candy kit kat?
04:29 wannabe1987 give it to duck
04:33 JA12 wannabe1987: I don't mean to diss your job. what you do is important. but knowing the problems there I also know you are getting hurt for wrong reasons
04:34 JA12 it's madness. or sparta
04:34 wannabe1987 lol
04:38 JA12 tonsofpcs: that candy that someone sent to the lab is kind of special. surely there are japanese that would like it, same goes for italians, americans etc. but for us finns, the percentages are different =)
04:40 JA12 what I've heard (don't know for sure) is that our dark bread is much sourer than what it is in usa for instance
04:43 JA12 same goes for some other foods that tastes just perfect in our mouths
04:45 * lwq-rage doesnt know how to do homework :/
04:46 JA12 lwq-rage: does your homework involve quantum mechanics?
04:47 lwq-rage nope
04:48 JA12 then I can't provide comforting words saying that no one knows that =)
04:48 wannabe1987 lol
04:48 wannabe1987 don't worry, i don't know how to do your homework either, unless its making jewelry or cookies
04:48 Druidic_Rifleman hey wannabe
04:49 wannabe1987 reminds me, i need to bring my jewelry stuff to the lab friday, make space somewhere to work on it (maybe the compu lab if allowed)
04:49 wannabe1987 hi druid
04:49 wannabe1987 hows canadia land?
04:49 Druidic_Rifleman it kinda blows
04:49 Druidic_Rifleman but
04:49 wannabe1987 but?
04:49 lwq-rage anyone know how to solve for x and y with substitution
04:49 Druidic_Rifleman i got my sisters future fauther inlaw's present mostly done
04:49 Druidic_Rifleman and an arduino
04:50 wannabe1987 thats cool
04:51 wannabe1987 so the power cord i bought for my computer isn't the right one :sigh:
04:51 Sgt_Lemming http://www.atom.com/funny-stuff/animator-vs-animation
04:51 BotSteve Title: All New Animator vs. Animation 3 | Atom.com
04:51 lwq-rage masterofmonks you here
04:52 JA12 http://www.purplemath.com/modules/systlin4.htm
04:52 BotSteve Title: Systems of Linear Equations: Solving by Substitution
04:53 Druidic_Rifleman that sucks
04:56 lwq-rage oh fuck this homework
04:57 lwq-rage my damn teacher explaines nothing
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04:57 wannabe1987 hi kate!
04:57 JA12 say that to him/her. "you damn teacher. get off my lawn and leave me alone" =)
04:58 Katemonster hi
04:58 lwq-rage o.0 in school not at my house you perv, hes like 70years old
05:00 JA12 not literally. figuratively off your lawn, the one that's around your school desk and the mat that says "welcome"
05:01 lwq-rage lol
05:07 JA12 lwq-rage: you might not yet know it but if you can, research the topic. that's because you won't be solving for x and y but also for z next
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05:11 lwq-rage oh fuck my life
05:12 Druidic_Rifleman hey kate
05:13 Katemonster hi.
05:14 lwq-rage AH ITS A MONSTER
05:14 Katemonster nope.
05:15 wannabe1987 theres fire in my room :D
05:16 wannabe1987 it smells good
05:16 Druidic_Rifleman candle
05:16 wannabe1987 mhm
05:17 JA12 that's how I clean because I'm lazy. I make a small bonfire in the middle of the room and move
05:18 wannabe1987 lol
05:19 BatSteve-Away Katemonster: wanna read a thing?
05:19 BatSteve-Away oops
05:19 BatSteve Katemonster: wanna read a thing?
05:19 Katemonster YES.
05:19 wannabe1987 its bats!
05:19 Toastdude Bats! Did you get my tell?
05:20 BatSteve Toastdude: I did!  I mentioned it to you even!
05:20 wannabe1987 fai
05:20 wannabe1987 l
05:20 Toastdude You did?
05:20 wannabe1987 lol
05:20 Toastdude I was away on the other compooper.. Probably should've changed my nick so..
05:21 BatSteve ah
05:21 BatSteve well I did
05:21 BatSteve looks good
05:21 BatSteve nice job
05:21 Toastdude Awesome. The new one, though, where it writes to a text file?
05:22 BatSteve yeah
05:22 wannabe1987 supertoast, eh?
05:23 Toastdude Okay. Thanks, by the way
05:23 Toastdude Yes... Invader Zim :D
05:26 * lwq-rage heads desk repeatedly
05:28 wannabe1987 don't do that you need those brain cells1
05:28 wannabe1987 !*
05:30 lwq-rage fucking netflix doesnt work with linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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05:32 JA12 technically, it does (android). netflix is just one of those things drm that are not available for linux desktop for some reason
05:32 * wannabe1987 has a tired
05:32 wannabe1987 .in 30min laundfry
05:32 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 06:02Z
05:33 wannabe1987 wow
05:33 wannabe1987 spelling fail
05:34 lwq_laptop you fry your laundry?
05:34 lwq_laptop i wish it was available for linux desktops
05:34 JA12 I'm also ok with that. different companies offer so much crippled content and expect us to pay money for it that it's time to say no
05:34 wannabe1987 no, i clean like JA12 :P
05:35 wannabe1987 fry  it all, buy new shit
05:35 JA12 =)
05:35 JA12 :D
05:35 wannabe1987 my foot is peeling
05:36 wannabe1987 eh
05:36 lwq_laptop o.0 is it a potato?
05:36 * lwq_laptop hits toastdude with a fish
05:36 wannabe1987 time to look in my jewelry making stuff, see if i have my pliers
05:36 Toastdude Not just any fish.
05:37 lwq_laptop herring?
05:37 wannabe1987 a blue whAle
05:37 lwq_laptop I WANT MY FUCKING NETFLIX!!!!!
05:37 wannabe1987 GET WINDOWS
05:37 lwq_laptop i dont want to use an emulator though
05:38 lwq_laptop i have windows
05:38 lwq_laptop im loading it right now
05:38 lwq_laptop ubuntu boots fast, windows boots slow
05:38 wannabe1987 then stop bitching
05:38 lwq_laptop i'll bitch if i want
05:38 wannabe1987 i listen to enought bitching at work....
05:39 * wannabe1987 hears the sounds of the ps3 booting, for netflix usage, by kelley, not me
05:39 lwq_laptop i do too, time for me to do my own bitching
05:40 lwq_laptop the difference between the two is the one has an e :P
05:40 lwq_laptop kelley is kelly's alternate reality :P
05:40 wannabe1987 no....
05:40 wannabe1987 i don't wanna be her
05:40 wannabe1987 she's ditzy and stupid
05:40 wannabe1987 she doesn't know the difference in SNES and NES
05:40 lwq_laptop arent all girls?
05:40 wannabe1987 NO
05:40 wannabe1987 fucker
05:41 lwq_laptop i dont, i used to have a snes too :P
05:41 lwq_laptop im not from that erra though
05:41 wannabe1987 but i askd if it was an SNES/NES and she goes "huH"?
05:41 * JA12 is glad not being in the line of fire (this time)
05:42 lwq_laptop stupid blond? wait, your blond.... sorry
05:42 wannabe1987 shes a brunette'
05:42 lwq_laptop i wish i was in the line of fire, the way my lives been lately
05:43 lwq_laptop can i go rob a bank and get shot?
05:43 JA12 lwq_laptop: there are less painful ways to die that pissing off a girl
05:43 lwq_laptop getting shot in the nuts?
05:44 wannabe1987 where the hell did all my tools go wtf
05:44 JA12 I've only had a knife in there but not shot so I don't know
05:45 lwq_laptop you got a knife to the nuts?
05:45 JA12 yup
05:45 lwq_laptop why?
05:45 JA12 a surgery
05:45 lwq_laptop catherization?
05:45 wannabe1987 ?
05:45 lwq_laptop yes i know i didnt spell that right
05:46 wannabe1987 thats not .......
05:46 JA12 no not that =)
05:46 wannabe1987 i dont' even know what you were trying tos ay....
05:46 lwq_laptop wannabe its when the go explore you for things i guess
05:46 JA12 another kind of procedure. with knifes and needles
05:46 wannabe1987 a colonoscopy?
05:46 lwq_laptop cauterization
05:46 lwq_laptop no
05:46 lwq_laptop they sniped your boys?
05:47 wannabe1987 cauterization is cauterizing blood spurts....
05:47 lwq_laptop what ever, i dont know how to spell it, they may call it different things where you live
05:47 JA12 they filled my sacks with anfo
05:47 lwq_laptop to blow your nuts off?
05:47 JA12 so when I get a good shot, it'll be epic
05:48 wannabe1987 lee, i highly doubt that, being my mom and sis are more in the medical field than i am....
05:48 lwq_laptop NETFLIX HAS JIMMY NEUTRON!!! :D
05:51 * lwq_laptop revives chat
05:51 lwq_laptop CLEAR
05:51 lwq_laptop clun chunk
05:51 epictang0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rhvnq_dL_0
05:51 BotSteve Title: Pepper - Things That You Love - YouTube
05:52 JA12 Before The Dawn - Phoenix Rising
05:53 lwq_laptop damn computer "would you like to stop the microsoft silver-light plugin" NO I WOULNT
05:55 epictang0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWG6Qifa8rM
05:55 lwq_laptop i swear windows needs to get their ass in gear and make a good operating system that doesnt fucking crash
05:55 BotSteve Title: Mickey Avalon - Jane Fonda - YouTube
05:58 BatSteve Every version of Windows doesn't crash.  Unless, of course, you want to install programs, go online, or do work with it.
05:58 wannabe1987 gah
05:58 wannabe1987 reboot time
05:58 wannabe1987 brb
05:58 BatSteve Screensavers though...install windows, run nothing but the screensaver - tell you what, that sucker's bulletproof.
05:58 lwq_laptop no, litterally, i can start up my computer and about an hour later without me touching it, it will crash
05:59 BatSteve Yes but it's not a fresh install of windows is it?
05:59 BatSteve or is it a brand-new install?
05:59 lwq_laptop no, but no programs are runing
05:59 epictang0 there is no reason to not run everything in VM anymore...
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06:00 lwq_laptop someone needs to start a new company and make better operating systems and computers and programs
06:01 wannabe1987 tell zozo :P
06:01 lwq_laptop why?
06:01 wannabe1987 nvm
06:02 BatSteve They have, it's called Apple.
06:02 BatSteve The question is, do you really want what they're offering?
06:02 lwq_laptop kinda
06:02 JA12 the problem with apple is apple
06:02 BotSteve wannabe1987: laundfry
06:03 lwq_laptop i mean the need to make a operating system that runs all programs, like a cross platform thing, that is stable as the earth, and will take quite a beating without shiting itself, and be able to use
06:03 lwq_laptop easy to use*
06:03 wannabe1987 good luck
06:03 epictang0 lwq_laptop: they have that...it is called FreeBSD
06:03 wannabe1987 it'll be expensive as fuck
06:04 lwq_laptop it may be expensive but people will pay for anything like that
06:04 BatSteve epictang0: except for the "runs all programs" part
06:04 lwq_laptop and ive never heard of it
06:04 epictang0 BatSteve: Linux compat layer, and vmware
06:04 BatSteve unless you virtualize, and then you can't do hardware-accelerated stuff.
06:04 lwq_laptop and i mean it can run anything without a emulator
06:04 BatSteve unless VMware has advanced since I last played with it.
06:05 epictang0 BatSteve: my laptop would nuke a non virtual desktop...
06:05 epictang0 BatSteve: we have full DX in VMW8
06:06 epictang0 and full 3d accel
06:06 BatSteve No kidding!
06:06 BatSteve Since when has that been available?
06:06 JA12 since virtualbox got its 3d acceleration
06:06 BatSteve apparently it's been too long since I last looked at it
06:07 epictang0 JA12: long before that...they wanted to iron it out...it has been in the beta since before 7.0
06:07 epictang0 and the virtualbox accel sucks...
06:07 wannabe1987 why do i shcedule my appts for early in the AM after a night of work?!
06:09 epictang0 i will say that I do get VMW for free, and understand that people cant spend the cash...
06:09 epictang0 however
06:10 epictang0 rumor has it that VMWPlayer will have accel in next release
06:11 lwq_laptop FUCK, hit my elbow against a corner on my desk
06:12 wannabe1987 put foam padding on it
06:12 lwq_laptop cant
06:13 wannabe1987 why not?
06:13 lwq_laptop it would look stupid
06:13 wannabe1987 wear geri-sleeves...they help guard against bruises
06:13 wannabe1987 so?
06:13 wannabe1987 stupid, or a hole....stupid or a hole....hmmmmm
06:15 JA12 epictang0: I like vmware software. I've used them before they even offered free programs. is it the best thing since sliced bread? absolutely not
06:16 JA12 and virtualbox does suck
06:16 coleco Is there any place around the GR area where I can pick up a breadboard and some wire that isent Radio Shack?
06:16 JA12 even if virtualbox were best thing since sliced bread, it still sucks because the text "oracle" on it
06:17 epictang0 JA12: I run an ISP/Colo...we are a VMware shop, and when we built our arch we tested ALL available solutions...on the right hardware, vmware kicks ass
06:17 egrsteve .seen Cprossu
06:17 BotSteve egrsteve: I last saw Cprossu 2.13 hours ago at 2012-03-08 04:09:35 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 06:17:05 UTC
06:17 wannabe1987 i think he's in garry's mod...
06:19 lwq_laptop hey its steve :d
06:19 epictang0 Xen is sloppy...and one can pop to ring0...a friend proved this at last shmoocon...
06:19 epictang0 i have yet to see someone do that on a VMw platform
06:21 wannabe1987 i found a spider!
06:21 wannabe1987 :/
06:23 wannabe1987 and a lighter....
06:23 wannabe1987 can i combine the two? :P
06:24 Toastdude Yes.
06:24 wannabe1987 its too close to the carpet....so i won't :/
06:24 wannabe1987 silly house
06:25 lwq_laptop my civics book is so old they use the word retarded in it
06:25 Toastdude o.O
06:25 lwq_laptop they use it to say someones mentally ill
06:25 wannabe1987 mhm....
06:26 lwq_laptop new books would never say retarded
06:26 wannabe1987 mhm....
06:32 * wannabe1987 walked in and out of her (locked) parents house w/o them knowing today :D
06:32 lwq_laptop you have a key or know where it is
06:32 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell hhrlisa congrats :D
06:32 wannabe1987 mhm
06:32 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when hhrlisa is around.
06:34 coleco lwq_laptop: not necessarily "ill" but mentally deficient in some serious way. People who used to be labled retarded are now "Developmentally disabled" For example, depressed people, or people with learning disabilities are not necessarily retarded.
06:34 lwq_laptop yeah i know, im just shocked that my books that old though to say that and it still be able to be put into schools
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06:39 coleco Eh, I think people need to be less worried about being PC, eventually the new word become taboo too
06:39 coleco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism_treadmill
06:39 BotSteve Title: Euphemism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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06:40 lwq_laptop stupid craftsman factory forgot to angel my hex wrench
06:41 JA12 some of my first english books told a story where some kids from uk were coming to finland and their parents adviced them to watch out for polar bears and packed hot water bottles to keep them warm
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06:43 coleco lwq_laptop: oh well, go to sears and get a new one
06:43 lwq_laptop they dont sell individual alen wrenches i dont think
06:43 coleco but they will give you one
06:43 Cprossu well I don't want to live in this spacetime =P
06:44 coleco craftsman warranty dawg!
06:44 Cprossu craftsman for the win unless it's one of those shitty chinese evolv whatever ones
06:44 lwq_laptop i know i love their warrenty
06:44 coleco All handtools, are replaced for free regardless of reason
06:44 lwq_laptop "beat the shit out of it, we will replace it for free"
06:44 coleco I believe sears keeps stock so you can swap everything
06:45 Cprossu coleco: don't come in wearing dirty dickies overalls with a "JOE" patch on though
06:45 lwq_laptop though they give you rebuilt ratchets not new ones
06:45 Cprossu they won't replace your tools now
06:45 Cprossu if they think you're a mechanic
06:45 coleco Cprossu: because a mechanic would want Snap-On anyways :p
06:45 lwq_laptop my dad does that, they will, well depends on store
06:45 Cprossu no shit.
06:45 Cprossu or matco,
06:46 Cprossu (made in the same fuckin' factory)
06:46 Cprossu so is most craftsman for that matter
06:46 Cprossu (just shitter grade steel)
06:47 Cprossu the few snapon tools I have though I can say were worth it.
06:47 lwq_laptop i like mach tools but they dont have a good warrenty
06:47 coleco Cprossu: I don't know about that..
06:47 Cprossu MAC are nice, getting hold of a mac truck ain't easy though
06:47 Cprossu coleco: I had a snap on rep verify that to me
06:47 coleco Have you ever compared a craftsman to a snap on socket wrench?
06:47 coleco oh, wow.
06:48 Cprossu I didn't say they were the same design
06:48 Cprossu either
06:48 Cprossu just that they come outa the same factory
06:48 Cprossu as for the chinese tools though
06:48 Cprossu channelock beats the stuffings outa the others I've tried
06:49 Cprossu the old $65 tool kit at sam's club trick for a while
06:49 Cprossu it was a REALLY good deal
06:49 Cprossu http://www.autotoys.com/pics/channellock-169toolset.jpg
06:50 Cprossu http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/channellock-screwdriver-discount-store-set.jpg
06:50 Cprossu ^ these kick ass too
06:50 Cprossu I got 2 sets of those
06:50 lwq_laptop you know whats a good tool brand but are cheap, the craftsman evolv
06:50 lwq_laptop i got a little tool set, i love it
06:50 lwq_laptop but they rust easy
06:51 Cprossu and break easy
06:51 lwq_laptop they offer the same warrenty i think
06:51 Cprossu they do but
06:51 Cprossu ughh
06:51 coleco all craftsman handtools are covered
06:51 Cprossu I broke a 1/4" ratchet one taking out a 7mm bolt the other day
06:51 Cprossu no they aren't coleco
06:51 Cprossu power tools get 1 year max
06:51 coleco except like one kind of tool
06:51 coleco Is a powertool a hand tool? No, it's a power tool
06:52 Cprossu hahaha
06:52 Cprossu their torque wrenches had 90 days when I last looked
06:52 Cprossu which was annoying
06:52 Cprossu (and I didn't buy one)
06:52 coleco hand tool=your hands are doing the work
06:52 Cprossu also their multimeters aren't covered either =P
06:52 coleco power tool=a motor is doing the work
06:52 Cprossu nor are their pliers,
06:52 Cprossu and they bitch about screwdrivers
06:52 Cprossu and generally don't replace them
06:53 coleco 0.o. Your sears reps are dicks.
06:53 Cprossu yes they are
06:53 coleco I literally walk in, and out
06:53 coleco every time i've replaced a craftsman tool
06:53 coleco even if they were like 20 years old
06:53 Cprossu I'd rather have a 20 year old piece of craftsman
06:53 wannabe1987 cpro you  need to move to a better state :P
06:53 Cprossu they were much better made
06:54 Cprossu in fact my main 3/8" drive
06:54 Cprossu is a frankensteined 20 year old one
06:54 coleco they can still end up rusted and worn
06:54 Cprossu made from 2 others
06:54 Cprossu yeah but you can still rebuild them then use the shells to get new ones
06:54 Cprossu that way you can still keep an old one
06:55 Cprossu pawn shops are great =)
06:55 Cprossu I always look for busted snap-on and craftsman tools
06:55 Cprossu in their misc ~$.25-$1 a piece tool bins
06:56 Cprossu though I will take a odd piece of CSK, proto, or mac if I see it
06:56 coleco Also, radioshack isent horrible when you realize they have a 30 day no questions money-back on everything except media
06:57 Cprossu radioshack is horrible when I can drive to fry's electronics though
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06:57 coleco You could buy a soldering station and use the hell out of it for 29 days and return it saying you diddent like it
06:58 coleco Every time i'm motivated to do this though, I forget to return it, or i'm indifferent because I don't plan on using that thing I picked up there much, and it diddent cost alot.
06:59 * wannabe1987 is ordering her tgg member card o.o
06:59 Cprossu there's one really nice piece of shit radioshack sells
06:59 Cprossu the 15/45watt selectable soldering iron
06:59 Cprossu or whatever it is
07:00 coleco eh, budget soldering irons, desoldering irons, and crap aren't going to be any wrose because you picked em up somewhere else
07:00 Cprossu my soldering iron is awesome
07:00 Cprossu I have a Weller WD-1 =D
07:00 Cprossu esd safe and completely selectable
07:01 Cprossu http://www.amazon.com/WD1001-Digital-Channel-Soldering-Station/dp/B000UMBAU2/ref=pd_cp_hi_0
07:01 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Weller WD1001 85w/120v Digital Single Channel Silver Series Soldering Station: Home Improvement
07:01 Cprossu ^ coleco
07:02 coleco I can't afford that kinda stuff ;_;
07:02 Cprossu I paid $130 for mine
07:02 Cprossu damn good deal
07:02 wannabe1987 holy crap 2am
07:03 angy get in my TZ, better time :)
07:03 wannabe1987 but then i'd miss my dr appt and my mike....then what?
07:03 coleco Honestly, i'm probbaly going to pick up a cheap Aoyue station. They aren't crap and they take hakko tips.
07:03 Cprossu just because you don't have much money though coleco, you can still get yourself a bitching iron
07:03 coleco so...
07:03 Cprossu hakko stations are nice though
07:04 wannabe1987 have you been to the lab, coleco?
07:04 coleco They are, and Aoyue's are budget hakkos :p
07:04 Cprossu http://www.frys.com/product/454489?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
07:04 BotSteve Title: FRYS.com | American Hakko
07:04 Cprossu ^ these are damn nice
07:04 coleco wannabe1987: I walked through on that large public day
07:04 wannabe1987 ahhh but you don't volunteer?
07:05 Cprossu ahhh coleco
07:05 Cprossu you're in the technological black hole known as michigan. i see
07:05 coleco What's there to do?
07:05 wannabe1987 clean shit!  whats your "geek cred"?
07:05 coleco Cprossu: whatareyoutalkinabout
07:05 Cprossu coleco: I am used to going to the store and picking up a hex core cpu
07:06 coleco So am I. I used to live Metro Detroit. I could just drive to Microcenter
07:06 wannabe1987 Cprossu, and you are moving here....ish.  now what?
07:06 Cprossu damn near everything's special order and doubled in grand rapids
07:06 Cprossu well moving-ish
07:06 wannabe1987 i said ish
07:06 coleco Hell, Microcenter is still only like two hours away
07:06 coleco actually, probbaly 3 :/
07:06 Cprossu I am 5 minutes away from fry's electronics here
07:06 coleco eh, let me throw it in maps
07:07 wannabe1987 where in gr are you?
07:07 Cprossu the closest fry's to there is in godamn indiana
07:07 Cprossu coleco: I was freightened when I went into a used comp store in GRR and they were selling a p4 as a 'gaming computer'
07:08 Sgt_Lemming mmm.... editing fail on latest captains blog
07:08 wannabe1987 ?
07:08 coleco bit north of downtown. I'm like like a 10 min bike ride from the lab
07:08 Cprossu ever have your complete world flipped upside down and felt like you were pulled into 15 years behind? heh
07:08 wannabe1987 alpine?
07:08 Sgt_Lemming he's repeated a whole section of the video
07:08 wannabe1987 lol
07:08 coleco I don't know what anything is called here
07:08 Cprossu wouldn't be the first time
07:09 coleco I'm just off Leonard and Plainfield
07:09 wannabe1987 ok.  alpine is a street....
07:09 coleco Oh, cool.
07:09 coleco I'm bad at directions
07:09 Cprossu nice we got infared heaters finally
07:09 Cprossu those suckers are nice
07:10 Sgt_Lemming yeah
07:10 coleco Looking at a map, so... yeah p-close to Alpine.... Closer to Leonard..
07:11 Cprossu my trip to the lab is 1,950 miles I envy you for that ;D
07:11 wannabe1987 20min car drive
07:12 coleco also, complaining about a "computer store" selling a P4 as a gaming computer? Most of those are small repair shops that resell used computers
07:12 Cprossu over here P4's are doorstops
07:12 coleco they are here too
07:12 Cprossu used computers are at least dual core
07:12 Cprossu still
07:12 Cprossu gaming computer???
07:12 Cprossu p4 2.4?!
07:13 Cprossu tnt2 graphics?!?!?!
07:13 coleco heh
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07:13 wannabe1987 hiiii
07:13 Cprossu lol editing fail Sgt_Lemming hahahaah
07:13 Cprossu he musta been tired
07:13 Sgt_Lemming yeah, tis pretty amusing
07:13 wannabe1987 found it,...
07:13 coleco Those computer stores have alota 100 dollar, keyboard, mouse, and monitor boxes
07:14 coleco that I have no clue why people buy
07:14 Cprossu and I've gotten a lot of good deals from them. no complaints
07:14 Cprossu when I can pick up a WRT54GL for $5 it's a good day
07:14 Cprossu same when I can nab a phenom 9500 because the mobo's caps were blown out for $20
07:15 wannabe1987 awwww
07:15 coleco wannabe1987: is there any place to pick up a bread board that ISENT radioshack around here
07:16 Cprossu we need more high end computers at the lab though
07:16 Cprossu poor guys are on ancient gear
07:16 Cprossu especially the video editing crew
07:16 coleco I need an effin breadboard.
07:16 wannabe1987 honey...i might be a local geek group member, but i don't know what a "breadboard" is except the one i set my bread on when it comes out of the oven :)
07:16 Cprossu hahahaha
07:17 Cprossu perfboard or a prototyping breadboard though?
07:17 coleco proto
07:17 Cprossu how big?
07:17 Cprossu if you can wait until I get to the lab (like march 23'rd) I'll bring a small spare heh
07:18 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadboard
07:18 BotSteve Title: Breadboard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07:18 lwq_laptop anyone explain why my computer likes to scroll on its own
07:18 coleco Ill probbaly have gone home and grabbed mine by then
07:18 Cprossu lwq_laptop: because you have a touchpad
07:18 Cprossu lwq_laptop and your drivers are set to scroll on one side of the touchpad
07:18 lwq_laptop no i dont touch the touch pad
07:18 Cprossu doesn't matter
07:18 Cprossu that's why it does it
07:19 Cprossu find out if you have an ALPS or a Synaptics
07:19 Cprossu then go into the driver and disable that function
07:19 lwq_laptop i mean its like the arrow keys are doing it
07:19 Cprossu yes.
07:19 Cprossu it's your touchpad driver
07:19 BatSteve sleep
07:19 coleco are the arrow keys... being pressed?
07:19 wannabe1987 night bats!
07:19 angy night batty
07:19 lwq_laptop its a synaptics
07:20 Cprossu hell you running win 7?
07:20 Cprossu or vista?
07:20 lwq_laptop no
07:20 Cprossu so xp?
07:20 lwq_laptop ubuntu
07:20 Cprossu shit.
07:20 coleco Cprossu: because contrary to dedicated linux users beleifs Windows 7 isent horrible?
07:21 Cprossu no, coleco
07:21 lwq_laptop its weird its like the keys are being pressed, when i click a photo it scrolls till i press the keys
07:21 Cprossu the synaptics driver lags the shit outa vista/7
07:21 Cprossu is well built for xp
07:21 coleco 0.o
07:21 Cprossu and I don't know what to tell him about ubuntu.
07:21 lwq_laptop doesnt lag for me
07:21 Cprossu ^ in windows 7/vista it will lag all your input devices
07:22 lwq_laptop ah
07:22 Cprossu if you ever noticed when typing it will get lagged up and you'll be able to type faster than your computer can keep up
07:22 coleco I NEVER had this probem with my synaptics touchpad on my DV7 before it exploded
07:22 Cprossu it's caused by the synaptics touchpad driver
07:22 * lwq_laptop hails to cprossu
07:22 lwq_laptop you know so much
07:23 wannabe1987 lee stop sending me spam emails!
07:23 lwq_laptop but for me its bed time now
07:23 wannabe1987 id unno how you even got my email addy
07:23 lwq_laptop damnit!!!!
07:23 Cprossu well good luck.
07:23 lwq_laptop im not doing it
07:23 Cprossu coleco: some people don't notice it though
07:23 lwq_laptop its my fucking email i dont know whats happening
07:23 Cprossu but it's there and makes me nuts
07:23 coleco Honestly, i've never had any input delay issues wih them. Infact my touchpad always acted jankey unless the drivers werent installed
07:23 coleco Cprossu: believe me, I notice input delay
07:23 wannabe1987 delete my email addy :)
07:24 Cprossu all I know is the ALPS drivers for vista and 7 are damn fine
07:24 coleco *were installed
07:24 angy lwq_laptop: you can use xev to see from where your scrolling is acting up
07:24 Cprossu and they were shit in XP
07:24 angy then you'll be able to correct it
07:24 Cprossu ^ take angy's advice, that should tell you if it's what I think it is
07:25 lwq_laptop remind me tomorrow
07:25 angy I would say it's a bad input emulation for mouse that create pressed/released events
07:25 Cprossu also coleco what proc/graphics did you have on your 'exploded' dv7?
07:26 * wannabe1987 needs to take a photo of herself for the tgg membership cards against a neutral background....all of mine have me on a busy background....or in sunlight
07:26 wannabe1987 halp
07:26 coleco two generations after the the ones they got sued for. It had a c2d I don't remember, and a 9800m?
07:26 wannabe1987 somebody help me
07:26 wannabe1987 help
07:26 Cprossu pity, those were some of the better dv series too =(
07:26 coleco few friends of mine all cought them on a sale
07:26 lwq_laptop ok my email is sending spam to people for some reason i do not know
07:27 coleco they all coinsidentally died within months of eachother
07:27 wannabe1987 lol
07:27 Cprossu coleco not fun
07:27 Cprossu I have a shit ton of spare dv2xxx parts
07:27 Electricguy morning!
07:27 Cprossu due to the infamous nvidia BGA issue
07:27 Cprossu fuck lead free solder =P
07:28 wannabe1987 when the europeans are saying "morning" thats my cue to pack up and go to bed....
07:28 Cprossu most people don't understand that it was the internal interconnect of the bga, not the external one that was the major issue
07:28 Cprossu and it was also HP's fault for believing nv's specs
07:29 Cprossu thermal expansion is a bitch
07:29 lwq_laptop ok guys i need your help
07:29 lwq_laptop my email is sending spam
07:29 coleco Cprossu: more than that I think. If you look at documented failure rates between manufacturers HP has been in the crapper for a while.
07:30 coleco They also tend to be the cheapest per spec too
07:30 Cprossu they decided to also push their thermals as far as dell did
07:31 Cprossu ( I still really hate dell no matter what anyone says )
07:31 coleco and dells with the same chipset still failed at a lower rate
07:31 lwq_laptop are there any anti-virus programs for linux?
07:31 Cprossu I hate dell due to the amount of logic boards that come out of the factory defective
07:31 Cprossu at least they are using standard psu's for the most part these days
07:31 lwq_laptop fuck it, im going to bed
07:32 lwq_laptop later guys
07:32 wannabe1987 night
07:32 coleco yes, there are
07:33 Cprossu I mean I hate how the various comp companies put hdd's in thermally insulated cpu heat recirculation cookers
07:33 Cprossu or how they put a big passive on the cpu and blow a fan 'nearby'
07:33 coleco Cprossu: all consumer laptops are crap, I've learned my lesson. Don't buy a consumer grade laptop, especially a consumer media laptop
07:33 Cprossu often cooking the vrm's and caps
07:34 Cprossu I am rather happy with my Asus coleco
07:34 Cprossu and it's a consumer grade
07:34 Cprossu heck I even upgraded the graphics in it :D
07:34 Cprossu made me a happy camper
07:34 Cprossu runs cool and I've beaten the shit outa it
07:35 coleco Okay, yeah. I would buy a midrange asus
07:35 coleco never buying anything with a powerhouse videocard though
07:36 Cprossu mine came with a 9300gt
07:36 Cprossu I upgraded it to a gf 9650m gt
07:36 Cprossu it's a 14"er
07:36 Cprossu c2d 2ghz, and it's OLD now
07:36 Cprossu still be hardpressed to find anything in it's league for a sane amount of money
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07:37 wannabe1987 hi :)
07:37 coleco eh...
07:38 Cprossu I spent $600 on the laptop brand new in 2008, another $200 on the graphics, and $50 on a 7200rpm 500gb hdd
07:38 Cprossu considering the model with the 9650m gt out the door was $1450 I felt pretty good about that
07:39 coleco cool
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07:41 wannabe1987 i didn't do it!
07:41 coleco I started to find that games I wanted to play on a laptop run fine on modern lowend videocards by nvidia or ati.
07:42 Cprossu I have to be able to play garrysmod in comfort
07:42 coleco The big problem I found with mobile video cards was they will perform quite well when those are the best video cards on the market
07:42 Cprossu and that should be posisble with most midrange mobiles
07:42 coleco any games that come out after that, performance tanks, hard.
07:42 wannabe1987 good night, zozo, jeff, BitViper, cpro, etc
07:42 Cprossu night wannabe1987
07:42 coleco nn
07:42 wannabe1987 morning comes soon...sily alarm clock
07:42 Cprossu with the low end cards you play numbers soup though
07:43 coleco what?
07:43 Cprossu eg geforce 210 vs 310 vs 410, etc and the dumbass salesmen usually don't know that it's all akin to a geforce 9300
07:43 Cprossu which is the same a s a geforce 9400
07:43 Cprossu or the fact that the mobile gpu's don't match up to their desktop counter parts
07:44 Cprossu eg the geforce 9650m is like a desktop 9500 in arch.
07:44 coleco Yeah, that's why you don't listen to a salesperson in bestbuy
07:44 Guardianzozo cpro quit lying
07:44 Guardianzozo =P
07:44 Cprossu but you know what I mean lol
07:44 coleco and no it dosent
07:44 wannabe-zz but zozo, lying is more fun!
07:45 wannabe-zz my bed is warm, it waits for me....
07:45 angy go to sleep!
07:45 angy and have a cookie enroute
07:45 Cprossu but still if you look at all the rebrandings of the 512mb desktop gf8800gt
07:45 coleco Money spent on a pimped mobile videocard I think is better invest in putting a new videocard in your desktop, that will remain useful to you for alot longer
07:45 Cprossu (with little to no anything)
07:45 Guardianzozo later wannabe-zz
07:46 Cprossu I've got my desktop and that's all good
07:46 wannabe-zz my glowsticks are broken :/
07:46 Cprossu having a laptop with good graphics is important to me for a lot of reasons
07:46 coleco like?
07:46 Cprossu I have 2 netbooks for when I don't care about that
07:46 Cprossu AVID
07:46 Cprossu (Avid media composer 4)
07:48 angy having good (nvidia) cards is important for me ;)
07:48 Cprossu my main rig runs a radeon 6870 and I love the damn thing though heh
07:48 coleco Then why wouldent buy buy a biz line laptop with cards intended to work with that
07:48 Cprossu because I am poor coleco
07:48 coleco instead of vidja games that are going to run marginally worse on a biz card
07:48 Cprossu I don't have $2500 to drop on a laptop
07:49 coleco I remember c2d laptops with quadros going for 800 back then
07:49 coleco maybe 1000
07:49 Cprossu they started at 1k
07:49 Cprossu and that's if you selected a 80gb hdd and all of 1gb of ram out the door custom made
07:49 coleco IBM sold a thinkpad that I wish I would have picked for what I paid
07:49 Cprossu then add a good hdd and some more ram
07:50 coleco for my DV7
07:50 Cprossu and you were up to quite a bit
07:50 Cprossu I spent a total of $850 on my laptop over the course of 4 years and got something I could run avid media composer on and
07:50 Cprossu I am happy =)
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07:51 Cprossu there's not more than $900 in my desktop pc either
07:51 coleco I'm not a video editor, but I always thought video encoding was more processor demanding anyways?
07:51 Cprossu they've offloaded a bit to the graphics
07:51 Cprossu what I care about is instantanious rendering
07:52 Cprossu for when I am flipping through frames
07:52 Cprossu the cheating way to do it is to run the video through a shit endoder and make a working copy
07:52 coleco wouldent that be more hard-drive seek time than rendering?
07:52 Cprossu then import the video at high quality later
07:52 Cprossu you'd think so but avid is a complete pile of shit
07:52 Cprossu so no
07:53 Cprossu I had an esata raid 0 setup made with some scrap laptop hdd's though which I tried out at one point
07:54 coleco Like, I have a friend who does alot of work with Premiere. He just wanted a CUDA complient card, and the most ballin processer he could, and as much ram
07:55 Cprossu it's nice that premiere isn't the crash prone mess it used to be
07:56 coleco But I have no clue how video accelerated video editing has helped stuff. I don't do any video editing and it appears like a fairly recent development
07:56 Cprossu I remember crossing my toes and my teeth wondering if the renders would turn out ok... on premiere 4.5 loaded on a p2 233 with a mirovideo dc30 card and 4.3gb seagate scsi's striped together
07:56 Cprossu it sucked.
07:56 Cprossu 17 hours down the tubes should anyone sneeze
07:57 coleco I just want my computer to may my vidja games, and do whatever general purpose work I feel like doing
07:58 Cprossu http://oi52.tinypic.com/n3akis.jpg
07:58 coleco I open Premiere, Photoshop, and Illustrator very rarely
07:58 Cprossu ^ good times =)
07:58 Cprossu love the layout of that machine too
07:58 coleco wha... wha..
07:58 coleco why
07:59 Cprossu 1) no memory underneath the keyboard, 2) 2 panels and I get access to everything 3) the heatsink is way overbuilt and the panels don't even get warm on the bottom
07:59 Cprossu and 4) it's damn organized for only being a 14"er
08:00 Cprossu also it's nice it had ddr2-800 as well
08:00 Cprossu also they were nice enough to provide a door so you can take the LCD cable out if you needed to
08:01 Cprossu you don't have to tear apart the laptop to get the screen out and replaced =)
08:01 Cprossu the hdd and the wifi card are underneath the other panel
08:01 Cprossu and I am sure you can spot the graphics cards (took that pic when I swapped them)
08:02 Cprossu the 9650m gt/1gb is on the left, the 9300m gt is on the right
08:06 Cprossu it had quite a few weird things though for a laptop at the time, a esata, a hdmi, 5 usb's, a firewire, a sd card reader, an optical audio output, and a full size expresscard slot
08:07 Cprossu not to mention a replacable video card heh
08:07 Cprossu hell, they even included the install media for vista x64 with it!
08:07 coleco yeah, I don't get why alot of media laptops don't have replaceable cards
08:07 Cprossu which i tried to live with but hated
08:08 Cprossu they don't have them because no one forced a complete standard =(
08:08 Cprossu each company modified MXM to their liking
08:08 Cprossu (even asus)
08:08 Cprossu in my case I went to the 9650 because they keep the vbios on the bios chip
08:09 Cprossu and I knew that they sold my laptop with one of those cards
08:09 Cprossu to make matters weirder asus flip flopped the slot and made it 'reverse mxm' so they could install the cards easier
08:09 Cprossu it wasn't that they made them user replaceable as much as I took advantage of what I knew about my machine
08:10 Cprossu you'd laugh at the warranty story of my sister's hp dv2990nr though
08:11 Cprossu there's roughly $2,700 of work into it from warranty at their cost.
08:11 Cprossu never mind was a $900 laptop
08:11 Cprossu ever hear of a company called micromedics?
08:12 Cprossu a stuck pig would have a better understanding of how to repair a laptop than those idiots.
08:13 Cprossu (let's just say that I bought a $150 extended warranty because it was supposed to be her college machine and such)
08:13 Cprossu during one of the incidents with the BGA issue which refused to be announced as being a defect
08:13 Cprossu the idiots the store sent it to dropped the laptop
08:14 coleco My friend had one of the effected laptops that was doing that
08:14 Cprossu they store then tried to give me back a laptop that had been dropped very hard.
08:14 Cprossu coleco I am sorry, they were piles of junk.
08:14 coleco They kept shoving a refurbished board in them then shipping them back
08:14 Cprossu especially the AMD/gf 6000, 7000's
08:14 coleco eventually they refused, even though it was under extended warranty, they commited too much money on it
08:15 Cprossu coleco: the company wrote they replaced the logic board and they just relowed it the last time they attempted
08:15 Cprossu I had to prove this to the store
08:16 Cprossu the way I did was the expresscard slot had a fault with it after they dropped it and I refused to take it back
08:16 Cprossu and that was soldered onboard
08:16 coleco There was an HP rep that was working with him, she always took care of it. Then she left the company and her replacement put an end fixing it
08:16 Cprossu after 2 1/2 years (5 year warranty ends middle of next year) of it failing to ever work properly
08:17 Cprossu they sent it to hp
08:17 Cprossu and every single thing got replaced
08:17 Cprossu all the trim, the mobo,
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08:17 Cprossu they didn't give us a new laptop they built a new laptop the hard way
08:17 Cprossu it's been working since as far as I know
08:18 Cprossu (new hdd, new wifi, new logic board, new screen, new plastics all around, new trim, new keyboard, it was surprising)
08:18 Cprossu they could have just as easily just GIVEN us one of the loaners the store gave to us to use
08:18 Cprossu and I went all the way up the chain of management at the store
08:18 coleco well, thing is, officially, the only effected boards are the AMD CPU/Nvidia Graphics
08:18 Seroster It's fucking snowing again.
08:18 Cprossu trying to get that done
08:19 Cprossu coleco: yeah when the intel/nvidia graphics had it too
08:19 Cprossu just like the exploding batteries
08:19 coleco He had a C2D, and I helped hem get an HP rep to admit it had the issue
08:19 Cprossu there were way more than were just recalled
08:19 coleco *him
08:19 coleco but once that rep left, we were sol
08:19 Cprossu that sucks
08:20 Cprossu but yeah I lost a lot of respect for HP over the dv2 series
08:21 coleco eh, we took what he could get, and my later expierences with HP's along with others. Their laptops are built cheap
08:21 Cprossu it would be like "hey my laptop doesn't work" over the phone, 'is it an hp dv2?' "it's an hp and I press the power button and it turns on and off after 10 seconds", ok this is the number you need to call, now you have to convince them they have a defective product and don't take no for an answer
08:21 Cprossu it got most of my clients taken care of though
08:22 Cprossu after they would just call and escalate while within their warranty
08:22 Cprossu others I had hang onto their machines that didn't have a warranty
08:22 Cprossu and waited for the class action to hit
08:22 Sgt_Lemming http://img.moonbuggy.org/real-vs-anime/
08:22 Cprossu that got the rest taken care of
08:22 BotSteve Title: Real vs. Anime - random images - moonbuggy
08:22 coleco also, compared to other companies who build similar laptops, they fail unusually more. Some company that leases or insures computers published failure rates of laptops a few years ago
08:23 Cprossu I've been using acers and asus's for a long while
08:23 Cprossu and been happy
08:23 Sgt_Lemming lenovo
08:23 Cprossu acer's always been good to me when it comes to fixing their shit
08:23 Sgt_Lemming so long as it's a thinkpad
08:23 Cprossu gateway has been good about sending me parts when one of their machines goes to shit though
08:23 Cprossu I even got them to send a motherboard once
08:23 coleco HP and I believe Acer? stastically fail more
08:24 coleco netbooks also stastically fail more
08:24 Cprossu no problems with acer here, and I've bought their cheapest of cheapest
08:24 Cprossu my acer aod150 for an example has been through hell and back
08:24 Cprossu (hint it was used in an automotive shop for a year)
08:25 Cprossu I find the failure statistics are flawed
08:25 coleco I'm not sure if it was acer, but I know some acer models are tanks
08:25 Cprossu I mean if they count people who throw their laptops around by their power cords
08:25 Cprossu all laptops would fail
08:25 Cprossu pretty regularly
08:26 Cprossu acer is one of the few that for most of their machines have a power jack that isn't soldered to the mainboard
08:26 Cprossu (a wonderful thing)
08:26 coleco They had a breakdown on percentage of laptops damaged from damaged screen, user error, and hardware failure
08:27 coleco NOBODY solders power jacks directley onto the board anymore
08:27 coleco NOBODY
08:27 Cprossu I really hate people who try to pass off a laptop as being defective after they drop kick it off of a table
08:27 Cprossu Dell does
08:27 Cprossu *let me check the service manual of that last one to make sure*
08:27 Cprossu yep
08:28 coleco The ones made in the last 2-3 years that i've had to tear down havent
08:28 coleco that's odd
08:28 Sgt_Lemming http://img.moonbuggy.org/head-scratcher/
08:28 coleco what models have em soldered to the baord?
08:28 BotSteve Title: Head Scratcher - random images - moonbuggy
08:30 * Cprossu does a quick cruise of ebay
08:32 Cprossu studio 17 new enough for you coleco?
08:32 Cprossu about 3 models have them onboard
08:32 Cprossu as opposed to on a daughterboard
08:33 coleco hmm
08:33 Cprossu though the one I was looking at was one of their 13.3"ers
08:34 Cprossu the problem with that one not being the power jack but a ribbon cable that shorted out due to bad design and sharp case edges
08:35 Cprossu still a little care goes a long way on those power jacks =P
08:35 coleco it wouldent matter if apple diddent have a patent on MagSafe
08:35 Cprossu magsafes still short out
08:36 Cprossu and smolder
08:36 angy you can create the same thing without patent infringing
08:36 angy the patent of magsafe is quite narrow
08:36 Cprossu I'd rather apple had made good stress reliefs
08:36 Cprossu on their magsafe cables
08:36 Cprossu than what they did
08:37 coleco angy: ah..
08:37 Cprossu http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCSZ4Q3UvF48-ylP2hKZO1OB3exEf-CBxcSzdEhu0XQWpSe0RijjEII6qO4A
08:37 Cprossu http://cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/514567370_b06008842d_b.jpg
08:37 Cprossu good job apple =p
08:38 angy coleco: no one use it because it still cost way more than having a power jack and provisoning warranty for replacement
08:38 coleco lame
08:40 Cprossu the BGA issue microsoft had with the xb360's was even funnier though
08:40 coleco but all this stuff is why I go cheap on laptops, and make sure they have good customer service
08:40 Cprossu they coulda spent all of $100,000 more to have ATI layout their processor
08:41 angy I go apple and use the service
08:41 Cprossu but they oursourced it to india instead
08:41 angy I used to go IBM but they did not lasted long enough
08:41 Coderjoe I'm having a vision!
08:41 Cprossu who layed it out wrong
08:41 Cprossu and the bad layout produced hotspots that created thermal expansion forces that were unreasonable
08:42 Cprossu thus.
08:42 Cprossu the red ring of death.
08:42 Cprossu has anyone actually calculated what that debacle cost microsoft coleco?
08:43 angy insurance did
08:43 coleco not that I know of
08:43 coleco atleast not that's published
08:44 Coderjoe http://twitter.com/geekmire/status/73984953272123392
08:44 BotSteve Title: Twitter / Glenn Geekmire: Ooooh, baby! You got the r ...
08:44 Cprossu well I am out for the night, later all
08:45 angy night then
08:45 coleco peace
08:46 coleco Thing is, alota people just picked up new xboxes because of all of that
08:46 angy yeah, we killed like 2 with that
08:47 Cprossu coleco: which would have been a good thing if they didn't take a loss on the hardware already :D
08:47 coleco they only took a loss initially
08:47 Cprossu I think they only started making money on the harware late into it
08:48 Cprossu my point is they took 2x-3x-4x the loss they woulda if their hardware had been developed properly, and that's just from the people who bought multiple xb360's
08:48 coleco you don't know that
08:48 angy they did not actually took the loss, they were insured for that
08:49 Cprossu they took the loss for those systems, what they didn't take the loss for was the fixing of the defects and the recalls
08:49 coleco angy: how do you insure yourself against failure like that?
08:49 angy coleco: easy, you subscribe an insurance on hardware failure
08:50 Cprossu just checked.
08:50 Cprossu Jan 24, 2008 was when they started making the harware at a profit
08:51 angy nearly all what you can thing can be insured with the right policy,
08:51 Cprossu Considering the launch was in november 2005
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08:51 einball gmorning
08:51 einball ooh my head >.<
08:51 Cprossu night all, bed time
08:52 einball night Cprossu
08:52 angy most funny thing is that you can actually be insured to the loss when you sell hardware with loss
08:52 Cprossu angy: if you find someone stupid enough with big enough pockets who likes loosing all their money xD
08:52 Cprossu and going bankrupt
08:52 angy not really
08:52 coleco wait, what? You can insure yourself from incuring intentional losses?
08:53 angy yes
08:53 coleco because you may not recoup them?
08:53 angy because you know you'll go back to profit on the same hardware later
08:53 coleco what the hell is that even called?
08:53 angy insurance
08:53 coleco that's investment insurance
08:53 coleco which... what?
08:54 angy I don't have the correct naming in mind, but it's doable
08:54 Cprossu which is why you then take out insurance on the possibility of the insurance company caving
08:54 Cprossu ^ heheheheh
08:54 Cprossu (which you can do)
08:54 angy insurance compagnies have insurance
08:54 angy when you reclaim an insurance at your personal level, there is roughly 3-5 other level of insurances that acts for your insurance compagny
09:18 coleco I should have passed out earlier
09:18 coleco whatever, spring break.
09:18 angy coffe time!
09:19 coleco are you just wakin' up?
09:19 angy it's a few hours since I'm up
09:21 angy (I'm ahead of you by 6h, not in the same TZ)
09:32 coleco when I don't need to get anything done at a set time my sleep schedule goes all wonky
09:33 coleco if I never was tied to a schedule, I honestly think I would end up going to bed an hour later every day,
09:42 angy that's a way to do a sleep schedule
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09:44 Sasha__ Hey guys, I need your professional opinion
09:51 angy that was fast
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10:44 einball WAWAWAWAAAAA DNNNNB WAWAWAWA WUBWUBWUBWUB
10:47 einball hehehe ... WUBWUB
10:48 HighMan_MFT_Cell DUBDUB
10:50 einball :)
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11:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell .c 0/5
11:43 BotSteve 0
11:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell .c 5/0
11:43 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
11:44 HighMan_MFT_Cell .c 6.022 * 10^23
11:44 BotSteve 6.02200 × 10^(23)
11:44 HighMan_MFT_Cell .g 6.022
11:44 BotSteve HighMan_MFT_Cell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avogadro_constant
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12:27 Electricguy hünk!
12:28 Experimentonomen g'day guy of electric
12:28 Electricguy ehrm... i thought these plugs were female RCA and not 3.5mm plugs.... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/3-5mm-2-in-1-out-female-to-female-audio-adapter-black-6-piece-pack-120109
12:28 BotSteve Title: 3.5mm 2-In 1-Out Female to Female Audio Adapter - Black (6-Piece Pack) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
12:29 Experimentonomen so did i o_O
12:32 Electricguy my 1050Lumen flashlight from DX EU warehouse should arrive soon...
12:34 pegasus sub f { return sort { $a <=> $b } grep /.+/, map { $_, $_[0] / $_ if $_[0] % $_ == 0 } 2..sqrt $_[0] }
12:34 Electricguy !? o_O
12:34 pegasus <3 perl
12:35 * pegasus removes the "return"
12:35 pegasus sub f { sort { $a <=> $b } grep /.+/, map { $_, $_[0] / $_ if $_[0] % $_ == 0 } 2..sqrt $_[0] }
12:35 pegasus that
12:35 Electricguy doesn't tell me a shit
12:35 pegasus that's the gorgeous part.
12:36 Experimentonomen whats with the random postage of perl code ?
12:36 pegasus Experimentonomen: can you tell me what that sub does?
12:36 Electricguy it looks more like a keyboard matrix IC with water damage to me.. :P
12:36 Experimentonomen pegasus, nope
12:37 pegasus i just wrote it and it gives me a half-chub
12:37 Electricguy this isn't a perl class..
12:37 Electricguy at least put it on pastebin instead of in the chat
12:37 pegasus it's one line.
12:37 pegasus really?
12:37 Electricguy yes, really
12:38 pegasus sorry to hear about your brains.
12:38 * pegasus afk
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13:23 wannabe1987 BitViper|TGG: when i get there if the lab's not open, can you let me in?
13:31 wannabe1987 interesting.  we had a 2ish hour power outage
13:31 wannabe1987 ....
13:37 Hackbat Lentils or a pile of capacitors? http://www.hiwtc.com/photo/products/1/01/24/12452.jpg
13:39 BitViper|TGG sure she asks me a question then vanishes
13:40 Seroster '-'
13:41 BitViper|TGG g'mooning Seroster
13:44 Seroster aye
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13:54 * yNos does a little dance
13:54 * yNos makes a little love
13:54 * yNos got down last night
13:54 * yNos got down last night
13:54 Sgt_Lemming lol
13:55 Electricguy ooh! i got a package to pick up :P
13:55 Sgt_Lemming working on an SMD version of the RFID board yNos
13:55 yNos cool :D
13:55 Sgt_Lemming yeah
13:55 Electricguy i honestly have no idea what it is due to far too many DX orders. lulz
13:55 Sgt_Lemming had a few people ask for it, so may as well
13:56 yNos will it end up being cheaper to make?
13:57 Sgt_Lemming possibly, just because SMD parts a teensy bit cheaper
13:57 Sgt_Lemming but it will also be easier to mass produce
13:59 Sgt_Lemming considering implementing the ethernet onboard as well, which would reduce the cost quite a bit, but fiercely increases the complexity, and also reduces the modularity
14:00 BitViper|TGG g'mooning yNos
14:09 Electricguy ok lets find out what's in this mysterious package :P
14:10 Electricguy yayy! my 1050Lumen flashlight :D
14:10 Electricguy Cree XM-L T6 LED :P
14:11 Electricguy oh! didn't realize it came with batteries and a charger! lol
14:13 * Experimentonomen thinks abt building a charger with constant current charing and constant voltage when finished, and using resistors across each cell as the balancing part
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14:17 Electricguy cute flashlight :P
14:20 Electricguy LOL... NOT going to use the supplied charger!
14:21 Electricguy i don't even plug in devices that got a power resistor in series with the mains to not blow up....
14:30 Experimentonomen pics ?
14:31 Electricguy of the charger?
14:31 Experimentonomen ya
14:31 Electricguy casn take some
14:31 Electricguy can*
14:31 Electricguy need to pick it out of the trashbin again. lol
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14:32 Experimentonomen remove the resistor and bring it up on the variac and see wut happens ;)
14:34 Electricguy lol yeah
14:36 Experimentonomen hm i should open the chazrger
14:36 Experimentonomen chargber to my chinacamera and see wutz inside
14:36 Electricguy lol yeah
14:36 Electricguy good idea
14:36 Electricguy http://i.imgur.com/sr2cI.jpg
14:36 Electricguy the power resistor up to the right is in series with the meains
14:36 Experimentonomen it does read 4.24V output and it did destroy a battery after i left it there for almost a week
14:37 Electricguy at least this PSU got a driver IC and optocoupler
14:37 Electricguy the wallwart that came with my other charger was just a self oscillating transistor based thing with the optocoupler swapped with a 1N4148
14:37 Experimentonomen that looks like something i put together, kindof
14:38 Electricguy the soldering job isn't too bad though http://i.imgur.com/oMF9l.jpg
14:39 Experimentonomen that resistor could just be a inrush limiter rather than a blowup preventer
14:40 Experimentonomen though it doesent look like it has the constant current charge thing
14:40 Electricguy but the charger for the e-scooter at work takes it all... it got no insulation at all. the mains cord looks like the spekaer cable from a small bookshelf stereo, the component legs are not cut off.. they are ground off with a belt sander... AND to top it all off, the 48V output uses a standard IEC plug!
14:40 Electricguy so you can just take any computer power cord and connect 230VAC straigt into the 48V charging jack in the scooter
14:41 Experimentonomen ouch
14:41 Electricguy it's just horrible
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14:42 Experimentonomen all just to save a few cents in production costs
14:42 Electricguy yeah
14:43 Experimentonomen ends up putting lives on the line due to stuff being a fire hazard
14:52 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/e9uZN
14:52 BotSteve Title: chinacharger - Imgur
14:53 Experimentonomen it actually did work, and i've used it for as long as i've had that ordro ebay china noname camera
14:56 Electricguy heh. i hate these self oscillating things
15:00 Sgt_Lemming .t mst
15:00 BotSteve Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:00:26 MST
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15:20 Seroster http://vimeo.com/17884541
15:20 BotSteve Title: Mythbuster Adam Savage on "The Importance of Failure" from The Amaz!ing Meeting 7 on Vimeo
15:20 Seroster LISTEN TO HIM
15:27 tlockley Seroster: head over to fora.tv for more adam savage
15:27 angy .cookie tlockley
15:27 BotSteve Here you go, tlockley, I baked you an oatmeal chocolate chip cookie!
15:27 tlockley thanks angy
15:29 Seroster Seen all there is AFAIK
15:31 angy failure is needed in all process
15:33 tlockley not only is it need, it should be expected
15:33 angy it's better when not expected, needs to re-think another way around
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15:49 lwq1996_ .seen wannabe1987
15:49 BotSteve lwq1996_: I last saw wannabe1987 2.29 hours ago at 2012-03-08 13:31:30 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 15:49:12 UTC
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15:50 Joe248 Greetings The geek group
15:50 Cprossu greetings Joe248
15:50 Electricguy hi hi
15:51 Joe248 hello Cprossu Electricguy
15:54 lwq1996_ hi joe248
15:54 Experimentonomen g'evenin joe, leewee
15:54 lwq1996_ theres people around they're just at work or doing stuff
15:55 Joe248 hello  lwq1996_ Experimentonomen
15:55 lwq1996 lol, im on my computer at home with teamviewer
15:56 lwq1996_ yes you are
15:56 lwq1996 i know :P
15:56 lwq1996_ i like confusing people
15:56 Cprossu lwq1996 already beat you to it many times over
15:56 Cprossu when me and angy were at the lab
15:56 lwq1996 lol
15:56 Cprossu we were talking to eachother on irc
15:56 Cprossu but.
15:56 Cprossu he was connected to his pc in (france?)
15:57 Cprossu I was connected to my pc in AZ
15:57 Cprossu we were both hooked to the irc server in WA
15:57 Cprossu start working out the paths those packets had to take,
15:57 Cprossu we were sitting in the same room =P
15:57 lwq1996_ lol
15:58 Cprossu 5 second delay more-or-less
15:58 Cprossu for the packet to travel about the distance of around the world in it's entirety
15:58 lwq1996_ yeah
15:58 lwq1996_ what program did you use?
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15:58 Cprossu he was ssh'ing and I was using teamviewer I believe
15:59 angy I use znc & irssi
15:59 Cprossu ahhh znc
15:59 lwq1996_ hey its trevor
15:59 Cprossu either way you were still using irssi
15:59 lwq1996_ i like teamviwer, vertially no delay on my part
15:59 Cprossu I like it because it can run through disasterous networks
16:00 Cprossu it has some decent fault tollerance
16:00 angy it's very good with metamorphism
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16:00 lwq1996_ i like it because i can get on facebook at home and see everything and the school uses it so its on all the computers by default, so thats how i get around blocks
16:01 Cprossu lwq1996: haha!
16:01 lwq1996_ :P im a little hack
16:01 Cprossu also tv uses port 80 which they can't block without a proxy
16:01 lwq1996_ yeah
16:01 lwq1996_ isnt port80 internet too?
16:01 Cprossu ^ pffft
16:02 Cprossu port 80 is 'web'
16:02 angy it's not using port80 everytime
16:02 lwq1996_ ah
16:02 angy 80 is http!
16:02 Cprossu generalized
16:02 Cprossu and so is 8080
16:02 angy web can be other thing than http
16:02 Cprossu very true
16:02 angy cat /etc/protocols | grep 80
16:02 angy iso-ip80ISO-IP# ISO Internet Protocol
16:02 Cprossu 'unsecured http'
16:02 angy ket's say that
16:02 Cprossu how about we go that?
16:02 angy ISO Internet Protocol
16:03 angy which is even more vague than what we can go by ourselves
16:03 Cprossu damn I Think we just got pwnd angy
16:03 angy let say it's ``everything and beyond''
16:03 Cprossu either way port 80 is unsecured http
16:03 Cprossu and whatever you want to sneak through a firewall =P
16:03 angy I tend to use more often 443
16:04 Cprossu 443 is same as AIM
16:04 Cprossu which is often blocked a lot of places
16:04 angy it ``seems'' legit to have encrypted on 443 :p
16:04 angy 443 is more often https
16:05 Cprossu it does
16:05 Cprossu better than :81
16:05 Cprossu which is generally where I put secure stuff
16:05 angy 81 should be instant messaging
16:05 Cprossu (or :222 because I can)
16:06 angy I tend to stick with 443 for https
16:06 yNos i like to run ssh on port 443, since it looks like an ssl stream..
16:07 Cprossu hahahh yNos
16:07 angy I have quite a few ssh listener on port 80
16:07 angy always fun when opened in a browser
16:07 angy and even more funny when getting spammed with auth demands
16:08 lwq1996 had to go to another class
16:08 angy and I missed badly, I used /etc/protocols instead of /etc/services
16:08 angy cat /etc/services | grep 80
16:08 angy http             80/udp     www www-http # World Wide Web HTTP
16:08 angy http             80/tcp     www www-http # World Wide Web HTTP
16:09 angy I'm tried...
16:09 angy it's a few thousands years since I've seen an implementation of http over udp though
16:09 Joe248 I'm Lost
16:10 Cprossu sorry about the computer talk Joe248 I don't know what caused it!
16:11 Joe248 it ok it was kind of infromative
16:12 * angy starts a new quest: crafting a http server serving over UDP only
16:13 yNos lol
16:13 yNos udp http?
16:13 yNos angy must be bored.
16:13 angy yep, accessible to no browser!
16:14 angy I have somewhere an experimental webserver that listen on file handle, if I use a udpdemon that maps the network on the fh, it's going to rock
16:14 angy and be accessible to no browser what so ever
16:15 angy damn, I coded tcp buffers in it
16:15 angy it's a shame
16:16 * Electricguy fondles his new flashlight :3
16:16 Experimentonomen kinky :P
16:17 angy I'm never trying to use that code back, it's in CVS!
16:18 angy I'm so bored that I consider making a branch in CVS
16:24 Vladdeh yNos: you can actually "multiplex" SSH and HTTPS on the same port :)
16:25 Vladdeh and UHTTP is defined in some odd way, IIRC
16:25 Vladdeh doesn't upnp use http structured messages over udp?
16:26 Vladdeh not on port 80 granted :)
16:26 angy upnp is 1900/udp 2869/tcp
16:27 Vladdeh http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-goland-http-udp-01
16:27 BotSteve Title: draft-goland-http-udp-01 - Multicast and Unicast UDP HTTP Messages
16:27 Vladdeh so only drafted but still
16:28 angy draft-goland-http-udp-04 is newer and expired since 2001
16:28 Vladdeh i am more surprised it wasn't published on April 1st
16:29 angy it actually can have real uses, not like bird carried packets
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16:37 lwq_laptop im bored
16:38 Cprossu fix it?
16:48 yNos opinions?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_DN-01
16:48 BotSteve Title: Honda DN-01 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
16:48 yNos looks like a shark irl
16:52 yNos Guardianzozo: found you the perfect one - http://www.villagemotorsports.net/showcaseproductdetail.htm?id=214691&amp;used=1
16:53 BotSteve Title: 2007 Honda Helix 250 Grand Rapids Village Motor Sports - Grand Rapids Grand Rapids, MI 616-432-6262
16:53 yNos or is this more your style..http://www.villagemotorsports.net/showcaseproductdetail.htm?id=191285&amp;used=1
16:53 BotSteve Title: 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650 Enduro Holland Village Motor Sports - Grand Rapids Grand Rapids, MI 616-432-6262
16:55 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTTmWiCoqHc&amp;feature=player_embedded As a comment on the "idiots" thing that Captain posted.
16:55 BotSteve Title: Man Rams Elevator, Falls To His Death - YouTube
16:56 angy http/udp works, at least with links2
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16:58 wannabe|tgg so.fucking.tired
17:02 Druidic_Rifleman you should sleep more wannabe
17:02 wannabe|tgg but life is too fun....and i had a 9am dr appt
17:05 Guardianzozo yNos, i kinda like that first one
17:05 wannabe|tgg hi zozo
17:05 Guardianzozo yo
17:05 Experimentonomen g'evenin miss wannabe
17:05 wannabe|tgg hi Experimentonomen
17:05 angy .cookie wannabe|tgg
17:05 BotSteve Here you go, wannabe|tgg, I baked you an almond cookie!
17:05 * Experimentonomen thinks abt breadboarding his liion pack charger idea
17:06 wannabe|tgg nom
17:06 BitViper|TGG wannabe is too tired to eat
17:06 wannabe|tgg wannabe just ate in teh car....
17:06 wannabe|tgg nom wendy's
17:06 angy never too tired to eat
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17:08 yNos Guardianzozo: was just picking on you, i didnt see you as a scooter guy
17:08 yNos but if thats what you like...
17:08 wannabe|tgg .log
17:08 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
17:08 Guardianzozo lol i was just going along with it lol
17:08 yNos figured
17:08 yNos it is ok to say no, you are full of crap
17:08 yNos because largely.. i am
17:14 angy damn, I experienced a drive full error, that was so unexpected
17:18 wannabe|tgg hey zozo can we play LBP2 tonight please?
17:18 Druidic_Rifleman Eakin is a smart ass....
17:19 wannabe|tgg no shit
17:19 Druidic_Rifleman I got the LED on my ardiono to blink
17:19 Druidic_Rifleman LBP2
17:20 Druidic_Rifleman ?
17:20 wannabe|tgg little big planet 2
17:20 Guardianzozo most likely
17:20 Druidic_Rifleman i see
17:20 wannabe|tgg w00t
17:22 BitViper|TGG Druidic_Rifleman : oh no, youre preparing to take over the planet ?
17:23 wannabe|tgg i can blink at you too, druid.....
17:25 Guardianzozo good job druid, now set up a button to turn the light off when you press it
17:28 Guardianzozo or to toggle the blinking program on and off
17:31 wannabe|tgg 1/2 hour or so left before gotta leave for works :/
17:31 Guardianzozo aw\
17:31 wannabe|tgg i know....but i'll be back here tonight....if you need to be picked up
17:31 wannabe|tgg i figured tgg would be slow around this time due to last nights shenanigans
17:32 Seroster I got a fixars x3 <3
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17:55 wannabe|tgg its cold out....
17:59 wannabe|tgg i had to walk to the bank....
17:59 wannabe|tgg it was cold....
17:59 wannabe|tgg now i was told to hide so i did.
18:02 wannabe|tgg anyone ever use auto hot key?
18:04 wannabe|tgg gah.  too many options for downloading!!!!
18:05 wannabe|tgg hello?
18:05 wannabe|tgg anyone?
18:05 wannabe|tgg no?
18:06 wannabe|tgg whats the difference between UNICODE and ANSI
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18:08 Electricguy oh! hey there wannabe|tgg :D
18:08 wannabe|tgg hi Electricguy
18:08 Electricguy was playing some games :P
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18:08 wannabe|tgg whats the difference between UNICODE and ANSI
18:09 wannabe|tgg games is fun....
18:09 Electricguy no idea :P
18:09 Electricguy brb! :)
18:09 wannabe|tgg fine.  leave
18:10 Seroster .c sqrt 66
18:10 BotSteve 8.1240384
18:14 lwq_laptop .c 8x8
18:14 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
18:15 lwq_laptop .c 8*8
18:15 BotSteve 64
18:15 lwq_laptop hi
18:15 wannabe|tgg no school?
18:16 lwq_laptop yes, teamviewer
18:17 lwq_laptop no school tomorrow
18:17 lwq_laptop .c 60/-70
18:17 BotSteve -0.857142857
18:18 lwq_laptop thats not right 0.o
18:18 lwq_laptop damn homework
18:19 lwq_laptop .c 56/70
18:19 BotSteve 0.8
18:20 lwq_laptop i hate substitution
18:20 Experimentonomen gah fucking shit! i cannot find my bag of LM358's, F*CK
18:20 lwq_laptop lol
18:21 lwq_laptop what u need it for?
18:21 lwq_laptop .c 8*0.8
18:21 BotSteve 6.4
18:21 Experimentonomen current and voltage regulator for a 22,.
18:21 lwq_laptop ah
18:21 Experimentonomen 22.2V liIon pack charger
18:22 lwq_laptop .c -2+6.4
18:22 BotSteve 4.4
18:22 Experimentonomen i wish i dident have such a bad fucking memory so that i could remember where i put them
18:23 lwq_laptop ime to clea, springs coming :P
18:24 lwq_laptop time, clean*
18:24 wannabe|tgg i saw a robin yesterday....
18:24 wannabe|tgg and i have to leave for work shortly :/
18:24 lwq_laptop 10pm is when u get off right
18:25 wannabe|tgg supposedly.  DONT text me.  i'm almost out of minutes.  i'm going from work to the lab i think.
18:26 lwq_laptop another party at tgg? :P
18:26 wannabe|tgg what?
18:26 wannabe|tgg no....
18:27 wannabe|tgg i wasn't here last night, i didn't knowa bout it
18:27 wannabe|tgg i cleaned my room, its messier now
18:27 lwq_laptop lol its always 2am till people leave
18:27 wannabe|tgg well, now its 130 and i'm leaving....bye
18:33 Experimentonomen bagaa
18:38 * Electricguy returns
18:39 * Experimentonomen hates it when it seems like he has to empty out all of his storage onto the floor to find something
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19:13 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/kkFLg.png <-- what i need the LM358's for
19:15 Experimentonomen the 50F caps represents the 18650 cells with the 100ohm resistors for balancing
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19:19 yNos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLq5oW28glw <-- watch the sun barf some half-hydrogen
19:19 BotSteve Title: Raw Video: Solar Flare Heads Toward Earth - YouTube
19:19 yNos half by major components, not by masss..
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19:39 Seroster FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU!
19:39 * angy fondles Seroster
19:40 Seroster Previously reasonable DavidsFarm (who debunked HHO devices citing the second law of thermodynamics) is now convinced it's true....
19:40 angy that's a shame
19:40 angy did he had a lobotomy?
19:41 yNos multiple
19:41 yNos in succession
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19:46 angy that gets me ideas for next years tests in class
19:46 angy I'll get a few questions on free/endless energy
19:50 Seroster Hope there's a dude joining here soon...
19:50 Seroster Jesus...
19:59 Experimentonomen fuck! now i've looked everywhere and that bag of lm358's is obviously missing
20:02 Experimentonomen fucking poop
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20:04 * Experimentonomen swears and cusses and is generally disgruntled
20:06 * yNos is not shocked
20:09 yNos g'night all
20:09 angy night yNos
20:11 lwq_laptop ynos its only like 3:11
20:13 lwq_laptop but anyway, great news everyone im accepted into a high school technical school
20:16 lwq_laptop its either in computer technology/cisco academy or computer programing/ oracle academy
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20:31 IIsi50MHz I need where the frak's my phone academy.
20:32 IIsi50MHz Haven't gone anywhere since I last used it...
20:32 lwq_laptop lol
20:35 IIsi50MHz Ok, now I _know_ it's on this floor, within six metres.
20:35 IIsi50MHz I just turned on some unshielded speakers and called it.
20:36 Experimentonomen IIsi50MHz, i wish i could find my opamps like that
20:36 IIsi50MHz ha
20:36 Experimentonomen looked in all my stuff and cant find them anywhere :(
20:38 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh
20:39 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ik what -12v can be used for, if I run it conjunction with +12v I get +24v
20:42 IIsi50MHz I've a PM open where someone wonders where the PM went, then sent "found it". Last line is terribly distracting while trying to find my phone.
20:44 IIsi50MHz It's like, "Really! Where?" *wait, how could she know...she's 970 km away* "D'on!!"
20:44 IIsi50MHz -h+n
20:44 einball http://www.abload.de/img/2012-03-08-213818pmjod.jpg :>
20:44 IIsi50MHz Ah, can't even correct myself while thus distracted
20:44 Experimentonomen junk pc's ?
20:45 einball Dualcores o_O
20:45 IIsi50MHz -n+h, shoulda been. Someone find my reset button.
20:45 einball with 4G ram each
20:45 einball so 16 cores :)
20:45 * Experimentonomen steals some ram sticks and graphics cards
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20:46 astro73|alice i could use a nice AGP graphics card, but that might be asking too much
20:46 angy you couold make art with AGP cards
20:46 slewf0ot Bitviper you on?
20:46 Experimentonomen i need a gfx card that atleast allows me to run minecraft
20:46 astro73|alice minecrack is dangerous
20:46 Monkeh HighMan_MFT_Cell: And do you know why you won't get anything useful out of doing that?
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20:51 HighMan_MFT_Cell No...
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20:52 BitViper hey there he is
20:52 Cprossu yay junk pc's lol
20:53 Cprossu I'll likely need to source myself a junk full ATX case when I get down there
20:54 injektion I turn junk PCs into thin clients
20:54 slewf0ot Call me
20:54 slewf0ot 9167800
20:55 Experimentonomen anyone wanna donate me a decent graphics card ?
20:55 slewf0ot What's decent?
20:56 Experimentonomen one that will allow me to run minecraft
20:56 Cprossu ^ in his case GF 9600GT or better if PCIe, if AGP x800 or better
20:56 einball pcie?
20:56 Experimentonomen one that doesent popup a "no accelerated opengl found"
20:56 einball would you pay the transportation?
20:56 Cprossu Experimentonomen actually
20:56 slewf0ot I have a 9&00gt
20:56 Cprossu I might be able to get it working Experimentonomen
20:56 Cprossu what graphics do you run with? integrated intel?
20:57 Cprossu download GPUZ and find out
20:57 slewf0ot 9800gy
20:57 Experimentonomen now i dunno if this machine has a agp port or a pcie port
20:57 Cprossu Experimentonomen: download gpuz =)
20:57 Experimentonomen cyrrent gfx card is a ati radeon 9500PRO
20:57 Cprossu http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/2101/TechPowerUp_GPU-Z_v0.5.9.html
20:57 Experimentonomen machine is a fijutsu siemens scaleo 600
20:57 BotSteve Title: Download TechPowerUp GPU-Z v0.5.9 | techPowerUp
20:58 Cprossu Experimentonomen that should be more than enough to run minecraft
20:58 Electricguy if AGP.. something better than a sapphire radeon X1600 PRO is needed
20:58 Cprossu Experimentonomen XP?
20:58 Cprossu or what os you running?
20:58 Electricguy the sapphire radeon X1600 PRO gives around 10FPS in minecraft
20:58 Cprossu Electricguy: I get better than that on a monility radeon 9600
20:59 Experimentonomen Cprossu, well it doesent due to no opengj, minecraft wont even start, it just pops up a error about bad graphics drivers about no accelerated opengl
20:59 Cprossu *mobility
20:59 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I'll fix that
20:59 Cprossu I need to know what OS you are running
20:59 Electricguy yeah it's a old card. but just as reference...
20:59 IIsi50MHz Google "GPU superlatives"?
20:59 Experimentonomen win xp
20:59 Cprossu ok, 32bit right?
20:59 Experimentonomen ya
20:59 Electricguy a 8 bit XP would be fun
21:00 Cprossu http://www2.ati.com/drivers/10-2_legacy_xp32-64_dd_ccc.exe
21:00 Cprossu ^ nab this Experimentonomen, install it
21:01 Cprossu also the answer to your question is that sucker is definitely AGP
21:01 Experimentonomen though 2GB ram and 1.6GHz cpu is prolly not enuf to run minecraft above 1-2fps anyways
21:02 Cprossu sure it is
21:02 IIsi50MHz Why the FRAK did I do that?!
21:02 IIsi50MHz I found my phone...in a drawer full of clothes.
21:02 Electricguy 2GB RAM is enough for MC
21:02 Cprossu at least it wasn't in a cup of water
21:02 Electricguy but not sure about the 1.6GHz
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21:02 Electricguy it lags as junk on my 3GHz P4
21:02 Cprossu Electricguy: if it'll run on an Atom with integrated intel it'll run on anything
21:03 Electricguy it surely doesn't run on my 1.6GHz atom with intel graphics..
21:03 IIsi50MHz No wonder I couldn't find it in any of the usual fall-out-of-pocket places, set-down-and-forgotten places, or charger. No wonder I couldn't hear it shaking on a surface.
21:03 IIsi50MHz Grrrr.
21:03 Electricguy lags as hell. maybe 0.05 FPS
21:03 Cprossu I hacked it to run properly on my AOD150
21:03 Cprossu I get ~15fps
21:04 Cprossu and that's GMA freaking 950
21:04 Cprossu for crying out loud
21:04 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh. .
21:04 IIsi50MHz And o the bloody irony; the time that I found my phone? 4:04.
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21:04 slewf0ot Fc
21:05 Cprossu Experimentonomen: are you running an audigy 2 sound card in yours or onboard?
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21:05 Experimentonomen this machine has 2 soundcards in it, the onboard one which seem dead, cant get a peep outta it, a soundblaster live and my external usb audiotrak maya u5
21:06 Cprossu ok, those shouldn't be an issue
21:06 Experimentonomen i never said soubd was an issue
21:06 Cprossu anyway install that driver, restart your comp, give minecraft another shot
21:06 Cprossu Experimentonomen: sometimes the sound card can cause that error
21:06 wanna-werk werks.  my resident threatened me......not with assult, but still
21:06 Cprossu don't ask me why, how, or any reason
21:06 Cprossu because there isn't any
21:06 wanna-werk .seen guardianzozo
21:06 BotSteve wanna-werk: I last saw Guardianzozo 3.59 hours ago at 2012-03-08 17:31:15 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 21:06:57 UTC
21:07 wanna-werk da fuck....ok
21:07 Cprossu wanna-werk: shit that doesn't sound good
21:07 Electricguy it's spelled dafuq! ;)
21:08 HighMan_MFT_Cell Good Obadiah idea to short psu cap with s rewdeiverk
21:08 HighMan_MFT_Cell Screwdriver
21:08 Cprossu hahaha
21:08 Cprossu srewdeiverk
21:08 Cprossu I want one!
21:09 Electricguy turn off that poor autocorrect! :P
21:09 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/6gwjb.png <-- minecraft barely ran on this system, 15-20FPS on a good day, and i imagine thats 2.1GHz per core which would equal a 4.2GHz single core in speed
21:09 HighMan_MFT_Cell Lol, still good o bad
21:09 Cprossu PFFFT
21:09 Cprossu Experimentonomen
21:09 Cprossu that's not how it works
21:09 Cprossu cores do not add up
21:10 Cprossu just because I have a hex core 3ghz chip doesn't mean I have a 18ghz processor.
21:10 Electricguy if the application supports more than one core, then sort of.. but it never uses both cores exactly the same amount
21:10 Cprossu mc is a very badly coded engine
21:10 Cprossu and it doesn't multithread
21:10 Electricguy it's called Java! :P
21:10 Experimentonomen its java that is the prollem
21:10 Electricguy yeah
21:11 angy it actually can multithread if you use java x64
21:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell ......
21:11 Electricguy it should never have been written in java...
21:11 Cprossu angy: it could and it doesn't.
21:11 angy but it's quite hard to have it working right in multithreaded end
21:11 wanna-werk Cprossu, she told me i wasn't gonna be her aid if she didn't want me to.  fyi noone else wants to be her aid, i'm the last one avail....
21:11 wanna-werk .seen BitViper
21:11 BotSteve wanna-werk: I last saw BitViper 0.31 hours ago at 2012-03-08 20:52:45 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 21:11:20 UTC
21:11 angy I run it multithread, so it do
21:11 Cprossu shit wanna-werk not cool
21:11 Cprossu but threaten you?
21:11 angy it just need a hell of memory
21:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell ......
21:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell I don't want 2 die...
21:11 Cprossu angy: I run it x64
21:12 Electricguy minecraft half-supports AMD dual cores.. :P the result is that it basically runs very laggy but twice the speed! XD
21:12 angy so you can multithread it as well
21:12 Cprossu I've never noticed minecraft using more than 16% cpu
21:12 Electricguy MC got very poor support for AMD duals
21:12 Cprossu so it might as well not
21:12 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
21:12 angy if you don't tweak how it is lunched, it won't multithread on its own
21:12 Cprossu mc barely has support for any processor.
21:12 Cprossu period
21:12 Electricguy minecraft whacks my 3.2GHz dual core in the roof...
21:12 Cprossu angy: I run a custom command line to run it
21:13 angy so you can multithread it easily, if you have enough memory
21:13 Cprossu if it were coded correctly in the first place it wouldn't need it =P
21:14 angy it don't really needs to be multithreaded if you don't use huge redstone machinery though
21:14 wanna-werk eh.  i took her down to talk to the head nurse....
21:14 Cprossu moving on, this doesn't pertain to the 32 bit 1.6ghz P4 (or athlon) system with 2gb of DDR and a AGP Radeon 9500pro which Experimentonomen is running
21:16 HighMan_MFT_Cell How do I know caps have no power without meterk
21:16 HighMan_MFT_Cell *?
21:16 Cprossu HighMan_MFT_Cell: short it out. keep it shorted out.
21:16 angy should work not that bad, I used to run it on a netbook
21:16 Cprossu if it sparks when you short it out it still has power
21:16 Experimentonomen Cprossu, its a AMD Ahtlon XP cpu
21:16 Cprossu use an insulated handle
21:17 angy just use tiny as a render distance and remove the extended opengl thingies
21:17 Cprossu Experimentonomen: AXP 2000+?
21:17 HighMan_MFT_Cell I did, no sparks
21:17 Experimentonomen XP1900+
21:17 Cprossu HighMan_MFT_Cell: then you're likely safe, don't lick it.
21:17 Cprossu Experimentonomen: so palomino core then
21:17 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok...
21:17 Cprossu not tbredb
21:17 HighMan_MFT_Cell Short big caps? Or all little and bugle
21:18 Cprossu mFD rating on them HighMan_MFT_Cell?
21:18 Cprossu *uFD
21:18 Cprossu either way
21:18 Cprossu if they are really really big
21:18 HighMan_MFT_Cell 680
21:18 Cprossu pfft. what voltage?
21:18 Cprossu 250?
21:18 HighMan_MFT_Cell 200
21:19 Cprossu this in a power supply?
21:19 HighMan_MFT_Cell 2 of then
21:19 HighMan_MFT_Cell *them
21:19 Cprossu or were you just messing with them?
21:19 Cprossu either way you should be mostly safe
21:19 Cprossu (what brand btw just curious)
21:20 HighMan_MFT_Cell Ok lol, and a hipro
21:20 Cprossu I mean the caps
21:20 Cprossu heeh
21:20 HighMan_MFT_Cell Oh
21:20 HighMan_MFT_Cell 1 sec
21:20 Cprossu Rubycon is obvious they say 'rubycon' on them, Nippon chemicon/union chemicon are brown with a shield logo, Hitachi's have what looks like a crosshair on them, TEAPO (are shit) and say TEAPO on them
21:21 Hackbat UAC sucks so much
21:21 Cprossu the Vent will tell you a lot about it too if it's showing, eg X, K, V, }{
21:21 HighMan_MFT_Cell Teapo
21:21 HighMan_MFT_Cell ...
21:21 Cprossu yuck.
21:21 Cprossu at least they aren't the worst
21:21 Experimentonomen Cprossu, i only use rubycon, nichicon or nippon chemicon, theres is classify as trash
21:21 Cprossu nichicon's are generally good
21:21 Experimentonomen the rest*
21:22 Cprossu Hitachi and Panasonic's are damn good too
21:22 Cprossu [M] for panasonic btw)
21:23 Experimentonomen them noname china brand caps makes me puke blood
21:23 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I'll take nearly anything over 'rulycon' or 'g-luxon'
21:23 Cprossu of fucking 'fuhjyyu'
21:24 Electricguy jamicon are fairly good caps to be so cheap
21:24 Electricguy and rubycon's are great :)
21:24 Experimentonomen Rifa however were the best brand caps ever made, until they shut down production few years ago
21:24 Cprossu jamicon's are cheap but I always see those caps in things that have failed spectacularly
21:25 Electricguy i have never seen a failed jamicon cap though :P only other components in stuff that got jamicon caps
21:25 Electricguy lol
21:25 Cprossu true.
21:25 Electricguy and yeah. Rifa caps kicks the shit out of everything! :P
21:25 Cprossu oh that brings up another bad brand
21:25 Cprossu SAMXON
21:25 Experimentonomen Electricguy used to be known as Figakungf
21:25 Experimentonomen Rifakungen*
21:25 Electricguy such a shame they are not in production anymore :/
21:25 Experimentonomen :P
21:25 Cprossu and CAPXON
21:25 Cprossu blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:27 Druidic_Rifleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5opKlp7f3ZE&amp;feature=g-all-u&amp;context=G2760d53FAAAAAAAACAA Drunk Chick + MRE = funny
21:27 BotSteve Title: My Drunk Kitchen, S2E03: MREs - YouTube
21:28 Electricguy very crappy video showing the CPU usage on my computer when running minecraft :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmtaqqLDBQ
21:28 BotSteve Title: Minecraft CPU usage - YouTube
21:29 Electricguy and a heapload of other programs in the background. lol
21:29 angy memory usage is ay more funny
21:29 angy most if you use 512x texture pack
21:29 Electricguy lol
21:29 Electricguy the RAM is going bonkers  xD
21:30 angy hen on 1.0 I used some other light thing and the 512x texture pack, with a hack to see farther and hit 20G
21:30 angy that was fun, but started to be sloz
21:30 wanna-werk time to go back to work....talk to you all after works!
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21:36 Ender Hey all
21:36 Electricguy oh F! a Enderman! O_O
21:36 Electricguy hi hi :P
21:37 Experimentonomen brb reboot
21:37 * Electricguy puts a pumpkin on his head to keep safe from the Enderman
21:37 Ender :P so angry i dident choose Ender as my mincraft name when i bought it
21:37 Electricguy hahah that would have been awesome :P
21:37 Ender ...yeah
21:38 Ender Anyone have a good suggestion for a cheapish begginers "oscilloscope" ?
21:38 Electricguy some second hand analog scope
21:39 Electricguy that's the best cheapest scope you can get
21:39 Ender Yeah i am gonna ask at work if i can buy one of the old analogs they dont use.
21:39 Electricguy ok!
21:39 Ender how much do they run for?
21:39 Electricguy sounds like a plan
21:40 Electricguy depending on the model.. 5-100 bucks
21:40 Ender One of the sister companies that i work for "cablepartner" had some standing around.
21:41 Electricguy mkay
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21:41 Ender Was looking at small handheld craps.. and they just look so cheap and unreliable
21:41 Ender like this one Velleman HPS140i
21:42 Electricguy yeah
21:42 Ender around 200$ in us i think
21:42 Electricguy go for a analog scope
21:42 Electricguy they are best for beginners
21:42 HighMan_MFT_Cell Yay, progress, desoldering psu wires
21:42 Ender And they look sooo coool :D
21:42 Electricguy yeah :P
21:43 Ender What you making Highman
21:43 HighMan_MFT_Cell Lab psu.
21:45 Ender Nice got the parts and an old psu myself. Going to build one once i get the time.
21:45 Ender you following a guide or just eyeballing it ?
21:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell I just need parts, and this psu is probably a pos.
21:45 HighMan_MFT_Cell Eyeballibg
21:47 Ender "pos" `
21:47 Ender ?*
21:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell I don't think I need to desolder, but need liquid tape
21:47 HighMan_MFT_Cell Price of shit
21:47 Ender hehe k
21:48 Ender Had some old P4 hightower beasts lying at work, so scavenged two from there
21:49 Electricguy price of shit? well.. i suppose the price differes depending on what type of shit you are looking for
21:49 Ender guessing he meant "peace" :P
21:49 Electricguy nah
21:50 Electricguy i think he meant piece :))
21:50 HighMan_MFT_Cell ^
21:50 Electricguy but i just had to point it out :P
21:50 Ender No no! it spreads peace by unloading on your floor
21:50 Electricguy TURN OFF AUTO CORRECT AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL.
21:50 Electricguy :P
21:51 Electricguy holy shit! http://pjoltas.blogg.se/images/2009/holyshit_56102356.jpg
21:51 Electricguy literally
21:51 Ender <--- Dyslixic + add
21:53 * Electricguy listens to polka
21:53 Electricguy fucking epic on late evenings!
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22:06 Experimentonomen ok minecraft runs about the same as it did on my lappy, short bursts of 15-20fps but mustly like 1-5fps
22:06 Cprossu Experimentonomen well at least it's running now
22:07 Experimentonomen and it looks like half the ram in this maxhine have gone kaputt
22:07 Cprossu weird
22:07 Experimentonomen before it said 2GB, now it only sez 1GB
22:07 Cprossu you might try shutting down and reseating the ram
22:08 Experimentonomen and most times when i start this machine, it sez "none" on primary master so i wonder if the hdd is about to fail
22:08 Cprossu it could be one of a few things
22:08 Cprossu I'd more look into your power supply and the capacitors on your motherboard first though
22:08 Experimentonomen and most screen sez "NTLDR missing"
22:08 Experimentonomen post*
22:09 Cprossu ^ that's after post
22:09 Cprossu ^ and after boot
22:09 Cprossu so the hdd had to be running when that message popped up
22:09 Cprossu Experimentonomen I doubt you have the funding to build yourself a new computer though right?
22:09 Experimentonomen thats when it sez "none" on primary master
22:09 Experimentonomen yes
22:09 Experimentonomen i had to borrow this machine off my uncle
22:10 Cprossu the ""NTLDR missing"" message comes from your operating system
22:10 Cprossu so the hdd had to be connected and working for it to show up
22:10 Ender Run mem checks and hdd tests in bios
22:10 Experimentonomen well how can it get that from the os when it doesent even find trhe drive to begin with ?
22:10 Cprossu Ender: his bios doesn't have those things
22:10 Cprossu Experimentonomen: what can happen is this:
22:11 Ender cprossu Most computers do have atleast memory check
22:11 Experimentonomen there are a few bulged caps
22:11 Cprossu look no further
22:11 Cprossu those are your problems
22:11 Ender idd
22:11 Experimentonomen Ender, this pc is like 12 years old
22:11 Ender heh k
22:11 Cprossu I called it at least :D
22:12 Experimentonomen Cprossu, i told my uncle about the thing acting weird and about the bulging caps, he said its more liky a software issue that formatting and reinsytalling will fix
22:12 Cprossu Experimentonomen: let me see what kinda motherboard they dumped into your system now that I know most things about it
22:12 Cprossu rofl Experimentonomen
22:12 * HighMan_MFT_Cell need liquid tape.
22:12 Cprossu no the buldging caps are the source of your instability
22:12 Cprossu simple as that
22:12 Experimentonomen i think so too
22:13 Ender Yeah its not a os or software problem deff
22:13 Experimentonomen but my uncl,e doubts it, prolly cuz he doesent want me to start trying tp replace parts that wrolly wont fix anything
22:13 HighMan_MFT_Cell Should I RTV it instead?
22:13 Cprossu Experimentonomen: all a reformat will give you is pain and more instability
22:13 Cprossu as you know
22:14 Cprossu the capacitors on that board are what filter the 12v which gets regulated to ~1.65volts to run the CPU
22:14 Cprossu if the power's dirty lots of things go wrong
22:14 Cprossu even worse when the caps short out
22:14 Experimentonomen well i've also been told to save the money and get a complete system because thats likely cheaper than upgrading little by little
22:15 Cprossu you can thank the switching mode power supply.
22:15 Ender and if you try to format and re-install you could just end up not being able to. Failing on format or install
22:15 Cprossu Experimentonomen: what does the parts situation look like though
22:15 Cprossu over where you live?
22:15 Experimentonomen basically its this pc or nothing until i get a job with a big paycheck
22:15 Cprossu do you have a website that's like newegg in the states? ( http://www.newegg.com/ )
22:15 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, Laptops, Electronics, HDTVs, Digital Cameras and More!
22:16 Cprossu *meaning do you have a similar web site where you live)
22:16 Experimentonomen unless someone is willing to donate me some parts like a motherboard
22:16 Cprossu we might be able to work something out
22:17 Cprossu but I need to know what you have access to
22:17 Ender where do you live?
22:17 Cprossu and we have to work out the import tax if any
22:17 Experimentonomen i live in northern sweden
22:17 Ender Ah, Norway here.
22:17 Cprossu ^ lol you're much closer to him.
22:18 Experimentonomen import tax only apply to items above a certain price, if its sent for shipping alone and marked as gift, it usually goes through customs untaxed
22:18 Ender for parts check https://elfa.se they have everything you need
22:18 BotSteve Title: Redirecting to start page, please wait | ELFA
22:18 Cprossu www.prisjakt.nu www.komplett.se www.webhallen.com <- any of those any good?
22:18 Electricguy weird swedish music :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oQiYeTBe_U
22:18 BotSteve Title: Den Svenska Björnstammen - Trumma Trumma - YouTube
22:18 Electricguy the melody is weird xD
22:18 Experimentonomen though since this is a brandname pc, theres a chance that loose parts wont fit and such
22:19 Cprossu ^ I am not worried about that
22:19 Ender elfa.se is the best. They have all the small electronics you will ever need
22:19 * Cprossu fires up google translator
22:19 Electricguy it's a fujitsu siemens. those models got renamed ASUS mobos. so it shouldn't be any problem
22:19 Experimentonomen like with dell and compaq that even had their own psu pinouts and custom pci bus pinouts that only worked with their own satuff
22:19 Ender there is an english version
22:19 Cprossu I won't know the deal until I can figure out what we god.
22:19 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I am more worried about your power supply when it comes to a new rig
22:20 Cprossu you're at 250v/50hz or close right?
22:20 Electricguy 230V
22:20 Experimentonomen its a 400 watt one which seem to be of dedent quality
22:20 Electricguy 50Hz
22:20 Experimentonomen yes
22:20 Electricguy what brand is it?
22:20 Experimentonomen decent*
22:20 Experimentonomen lemme pop the side off and check
22:20 Electricguy kk
22:21 Cprossu I'd like to see you get either a Delta OEM, a NMB OEM, a XFX Power supply, or a Zippy
22:21 Experimentonomen its sez AXP on the sticker
22:21 Cprossu not necessarily a corsair, but the right one would be fine
22:21 Cprossu Experimentonomen: model number on it?
22:21 Cprossu that will tell us every thing we need to know
22:21 Ender Off to bed nn
22:22 Electricguy night Ender
22:22 Experimentonomen i took a fvew pics
22:23 Cprossu the AXP's I am looking at look like CWT designs but we won't know for sure until we hear what yours is
22:23 Cprossu k cool
22:24 Electricguy i have to say i'm amazed over how much effort you put into an old fjuitsu siemens scaleo machine :P
22:24 Cprossu I stand corrected, the new ones are super flower design
22:24 Cprossu Electricguy: you should know when you're stuck in a place without options you make due
22:25 Cprossu I have stuff that's collecting dust that's better performing than that, actually getting it to him would be an exercise in shipping pain though
22:28 Cprossu .c 469 SEK to usd
22:28 BotSteve 69.823782 U.S. dollars
22:29 Cprossu ok that's not too bad for 8gb of ddr3
22:29 Electricguy nah it's cheap
22:29 Cprossu lets see if everything else lines up
22:29 Electricguy i bought my 4GB DDR2 for that price. lol
22:29 Electricguy approx
22:29 Cprossu yes, 8gb in the states is all of $39
22:30 Cprossu but for being in sweeden they don't get dinked as much as those in australia
22:31 Electricguy ok, i stand corrected. the 4GB of RAM i bought was a bit cheaper http://www.dustinhome.se/corsair-4gb-ddr3-xms3-intel-i5-i7-pc12800-1600mhz-cl9-(2x2gb)/product/5010331609
22:31 BotSteve Title: CORSAIR 4GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC12800 1600MHZ CL9 (2X2GB) - DDR3 minnen speciellt framtagna för Intel processorn Core i5/i7
22:31 Electricguy nice RAM so far
22:31 Electricguy much faster than the shitty little 2GB stick i had before
22:31 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/hY6Lk
22:31 BotSteve Title: pc - Imgur
22:31 Electricguy heh. long time ago since i saw a CPU cooler of that size
22:32 Cprossu MSI motherboard
22:32 Cprossu sdram
22:32 Electricguy yeah if i remember corecctly, those PSUs are pretty decent
22:32 Cprossu KT133
22:32 Cprossu it says DDR
22:32 Electricguy ahh. the newer models got ASUS mobos
22:32 Cprossu though
22:32 Cprossu (looks at ram slot closeR)
22:32 Electricguy i can only see one notch in the RAM slots
22:32 Electricguy so it should be DDR
22:33 Cprossu nope it is DDR
22:33 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I can tell you that you can't possibly have 2gb of ram though
22:33 Cprossu unless you removed a stick
22:33 Cprossu PAPST fan though
22:34 Cprossu very nice
22:34 Electricguy yeah papst is good
22:34 Cprossu Can you tell me what the model number of that PSU is though Experimentonomen?
22:34 Experimentonomen i doubt thats a papst fan
22:34 Cprossu it's right under the AXP
22:35 Cprossu Experimentonomen: that's a PAPST
22:35 Experimentonomen u can see it in one of the pics
22:35 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/WcCAz.jpg
22:35 Cprossu Experimentonomen: did you post multiple pics?
22:35 Electricguy Cprossu, how can you NOT read the mocdel number on the PSU? :P
22:35 Cprossu ahhh thanks
22:35 Cprossu I missed that pic
22:35 Cprossu that's how
22:35 Cprossu <-dumbass is me
22:35 Electricguy that's correct
22:36 Cprossu yay a ball bearing fan
22:36 Cprossu (in the psu)
22:37 Cprossu I haven't been able to find any internal build pictures yet of it though
22:40 Cprossu the build of the superflower based units looks good though
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22:41 Electricguy superflower?
22:41 Cprossu OEM
22:42 Experimentonomen fucking useless connection
22:42 Cprossu only a few people make psu's
22:42 Experimentonomen oh and this machine only has usb 1.0
22:42 Cprossu I don't know who OEM'ed his
22:42 Cprossu Experimentonomen: should be at least 1.1
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22:43 Cprossu my msi k7t266pro2-ru was one of the first arriving with a separate usb2 controller
22:43 Cprossu so that doens't surprise me
22:43 Experimentonomen no matter what i  plug in, it pops up a "this device can work faster if plugged into a high speed port, click here for a list of ports available"
22:43 Electricguy THE AWESOME POWER OF.....UB 1.1 *tumbleweed*
22:43 Electricguy USB*
22:43 Cprossu usb 1.1 was slow at the time even
22:43 Electricguy yeah
22:44 Cprossu .c 2049 sek to usd
22:44 Electricguy that's why i packed my old computer with USB 1.1 full with PSI USB 2.0 cards.. xD
22:44 BotSteve 305.051022 U.S. dollars
22:44 Cprossu ok that's so far so good
22:44 Electricguy that's quite a lot of money
22:44 Cprossu yeah but I am doing a comparison machine
22:44 Experimentonomen i spoke to a guy on a minecraft server few months ago, he said for a decent machine i was looking at 1200 bucks MINIMUM
22:45 Cprossu Experimentonomen: how much in SEK?
22:45 Experimentonomen around 8000-10000SEK
22:46 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I can beat that by far
22:46 Electricguy 8126Sek
22:47 Experimentonomen Cprossu, so i will have to pay you atleast 500 bucks for the parts u have, no ?
22:47 Experimentonomen if we get that far
22:47 Electricguy i have spent a total of about 3000Sek on my machine
22:47 Electricguy but i got the mobo and CPU VERY cheap
22:48 Electricguy 1000Sek for the mobo and CPU
22:48 Electricguy (including a crap chassie and a crap PSU)
22:49 Electricguy which are now tossed away.. :P
22:49 Electricguy NO ONE want Ace of sweden parts...
22:49 Experimentonomen trash!
22:49 Electricguy indeed it is!
22:49 Electricguy about the same quality as Q-Tec
22:49 Experimentonomen lol
22:50 Electricguy IE. catches fire before the overload shuts down the PSU
22:50 Electricguy it really IS that bad
22:50 Experimentonomen junque :P
22:50 Electricguy that's why i bought a better PSU :)
22:50 Electricguy a Corsair GS600
22:54 Cprossu ok I've come up with 4,981 sek
22:54 Cprossu .c 4,981 sek to usd
22:54 BotSteve 741.561318 U.S. dollars
22:54 Cprossu yeah that's about right
22:54 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=654277
22:54 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition
22:54 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=638128
22:54 Experimentonomen thats about what a system like what i have now sells for
22:54 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - ASUS M5A97, Socket-AM3+
22:54 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=657685
22:55 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU
22:55 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=623768
22:55 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 "Dual Fan"
22:55 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=646112
22:55 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - Seagate Barracuda® 500GB
22:55 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=645800
22:55 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
22:55 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=517988
22:55 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 4GB, CL9
22:55 Cprossu reusing your case
22:55 Cprossu though
22:55 Cprossu wait
22:55 Cprossu (checks)
22:55 Experimentonomen u can cross hdd and dc/dvd off the list, already have those
22:56 Cprossu careful
22:56 Cprossu btw that cpu
22:56 Cprossu and that mobo
22:56 Cprossu will give you a 6 core if all goes well =P
22:57 Cprossu (yay for unlocked cores!)
22:57 Experimentonomen but 700+ bucks (4000+ sek) is still way above my budget
22:57 Cprossu you cannot reuse your hdd though
22:57 Cprossu or your dvd drive
22:57 Experimentonomen im lucky to have 1500sek left each moth for food, clothes and hobby
22:57 Electricguy why?
22:57 Cprossu (no ide)
22:57 Electricguy they are still in working order
22:57 Electricguy ...
22:57 Experimentonomen i have sata drives too
22:57 Cprossu oooh good
22:57 Electricguy get a mobo WITH IDE then
22:57 Cprossu !
22:58 Experimentonomen sata drive is 2.5 inch though, one 80GB and one 320
22:58 Cprossu Electricguy: then no core unlock or possibilty of CPU upgrade later =P
22:58 Electricguy sounds useful for a person that plays only minecraft ;)
22:58 Cprossu Electricguy: he'd love it and you have to admit that's pretty cheap for what it is =P
22:58 Experimentonomen and i could always get a ide to sata converter if i wanna use my old 80gb ide drive
22:59 Cprossu Experimentonomen: true but that's another 20usd
22:59 Cprossu .c 20usd to sek
22:59 BotSteve 134.338183 Swedish kronor
22:59 Cprossu ^ down the hole
22:59 Electricguy much cheaper than a HDD though
22:59 Cprossu but not cheaper than a DVD drive
22:59 Electricguy true
22:59 Cprossu (or at least not by much)
23:00 Electricguy i'm even concidering removing my DVD drive.. lol
23:00 Cprossu .c 660 sek to usd
23:00 BotSteve 97.17444 U.S. dollars
23:00 Electricguy i haven't used it for a looong time
23:00 Cprossu ^ then again that's kinda high for a 500gb hdd
23:00 Experimentonomen Electricguy, u do use it for installing stuff though :P
23:01 Electricguy i don't.. :P
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23:01 BitViper *sigh* ok, have bruised the crap out of walls and head all day, bruising complete
23:01 Electricguy i download the stuff i want to install :)
23:01 Cprossu so Experimentonomen: what would a real budget for you be, eg in 4 months if you were to save it up?
23:01 BitViper now to work on bruising brain instead
23:01 Cprossu poor BitViper
23:01 Experimentonomen 150-200 bucks maybe
23:01 Cprossu ouch.
23:02 Cprossu well save the pennies, we made due with another guy in our group
23:03 Experimentonomen well if i have to pay atleast that + shipping even for your stuff, then i could just as well save up and buy a brand new machine locally
23:03 Cprossu I sent the PSU, another dude sent the motherboard, another guy sent the video card,  he bought the case and CPU,  and he reused his hdd and optical drive, he had $170 usd invested in it at that time
23:04 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I was seeing what it would cost for you to get the stuff new in your country first
23:04 Experimentonomen actually paying for computer parts is pretty much a nono until i have a paid job
23:05 Cprossu understood
23:05 Cprossu I just don't expect those poor caps to last on your desktop heh
23:05 Experimentonomen and that can well be a year or more
23:05 eadthem Experimentonomen what coutry?
23:06 Experimentonomen sweden
23:07 Monkeh Cprossu: This is Europe. We pay a lot more than you guys. :P
23:07 Cprossu Monkeh: I am completely aware
23:07 Monkeh What's this about caps?
23:08 Cprossu capacitors
23:08 Monkeh ... I know what capacitors ARE, Cprossu, this is me, remember?
23:08 Cprossu he has a AXP 1900+/1gb ram ddr (pc2100)/radeon 9500pro/400 watt 'axp' power supply
23:08 Cprossu and the caps on his mobo are buldging
23:08 Cprossu which is causing his machine instability
23:08 Monkeh Well caps are easy to change
23:08 Monkeh And cheap
23:09 Cprossu but his father thinks 'reformat and it'll be stable'
23:09 Cprossu which of course you I, Experimentonomen, knows is a crock.
23:09 eadthem ya in the US   300$ will get you a good to run computer that can be easaly expanded in to a realy realy good computer
23:09 Experimentonomen uncle, not father
23:09 Experimentonomen :P
23:09 Cprossu *uncle
23:09 Cprossu lol
23:09 Monkeh Uncle, father.. are you really sure? ;)
23:09 Cprossu indeed eadthem
23:09 Cprossu whatever
23:09 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Got a soldering iron?
23:10 eadthem Experimentonomen  gamming   internet   programming   electronics and mech engineering   media editing     rank each activity on a 1 to 10 scale
23:10 Experimentonomen Monkeh, i do not own this system to a recap is out of the question
23:10 Monkeh I've recapped systems I don't own.
23:10 Monkeh :P
23:10 Monkeh Oh my god there's a box of rotten eggs inside me.
23:11 Monkeh Dear GOD, where's my peg.
23:11 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh...
23:11 * eadthem hands Monkeh a chopstick.
23:11 eadthem thers a subistitute
23:11 Monkeh HighMan_MFT_Cell: What?
23:11 Monkeh eadthem: Thank you.
23:11 * Monkeh stabs HighMan_MFT_Cell in the eye with it
23:12 HighMan_MFT_Cell Why not +12v and -12v?
23:12 Cprossu $741 usd in sweeden will get him a hex core 3ghz PhenomII (960T quad core), a Asus M5A97 mobo to unlock the other two cores, a radeon 6870,  4gb ddr3 ram, a 500gb hdd, a good 550watt xfx power supply, and a dvd burner, I Thought that was pretty decent =P
23:12 Monkeh Oi, Cprossu, since you're around
23:12 Monkeh Explain to this kid why his blind modding of an ATX supply is a bad idea
23:12 Cprossu oh dear.
23:12 Cprossu HighMan_MFT_Cell: so you're making your hipro ATX power supply into...what?!
23:12 Monkeh Cprossu: Can he get a Seasonic or Corsair supply? :P
23:13 Monkeh Cprossu: He thinks he's making a 'lab' PSU.
23:13 Cprossu Monkeh: look into the XFX power supplies, they are better than you think they are
23:13 Experimentonomen i borrowed this system from my uncle and he wont allow a recap jo
23:13 Experimentonomen as he believes that wont fix anything
23:13 Experimentonomen in his eyes, this is about as good as a machine of these specs get
23:13 Monkeh Cprossu: That's the thing, I don't know, never used 'em. :P
23:13 Cprossu Monkeh: go look around
23:13 Cprossu they are darn nice
23:13 eadthem Experimentonomen what do you use a computer for
23:13 Monkeh Cprossu: XFX aren't known for crap, can they beast a Seasonic?
23:13 Monkeh s/beast/best/
23:13 HighMan_MFT_Cell Monkeh, your an ass 2 me.
23:14 eadthem seasonic FTW
23:14 Experimentonomen eadthem, for my only chatting and browsing forums as thats all this machine can do
23:14 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Do you have a meter which can prove to him his caps are shockingly bad?
23:14 eadthem odds are XFX are rebranded seasonic
23:14 Cprossu I don't even see seasonics sold in that sweedish comp parts shop =P
23:14 Experimentonomen no i do not have a ers meter
23:14 Monkeh eadthem: Could be, true.
23:14 Experimentonomen esr*
23:14 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Don't need one. Half decent multimeter with capacitance works.
23:14 Cprossu eadthem: I believe XFX is a seasonic with a custom case and slightly better than normal soldering but don't hold me to it
23:14 eadthem Experimentonomen if the computer wasnt limited    what would you use it for
23:14 Experimentonomen i do not have a capacitance meter
23:14 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Show that it's 25% below the printed value, even your uncle should be able to understand that.
23:15 eadthem dont know   seasonics got a dam fine soldering job on the ones ive seen
23:15 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Right, add a decent meter to that shopping list.. :)
23:15 Cprossu eadthem: they get a little sloppy on the underside =(
23:15 eadthem i ahve only seen 2
23:15 eadthem and only from the top
23:15 Experimentonomen Monkeh, ATT DECENT TO THE LIST AND THE METER APPROACHES THE PRICE RANGE OF A NEW PC
23:15 Experimentonomen oops
23:15 Experimentonomen fucking caps
23:15 eadthem others are from the one PSU review guy
23:15 Monkeh Cprossu: Recent Seasonics with mostly/fully modular cables have flawless soldering.
23:16 Monkeh Experimentonomen: You'd be surprised what you can get for very little.
23:16 eadthem Experimentonomen what do you want to use your computer for?
23:16 Experimentonomen either way a recap job on this machine is wasted money, irc and browsing forums is all it can do and even that it struggles with¨
23:17 Experimentonomen even adaware and avast sends cpu usage to 100+ %
23:17 Experimentonomen proggies that should not even affect cpu usafe
23:17 Experimentonomen usage*
23:18 Monkeh So how are they meant to work?
23:18 Cprossu I'm with you Experimentonomen on that
23:18 Monkeh Although I admit on a modern machine they're I/O limited not CPU limited
23:18 Experimentonomen even teamspeak is off the list, after a few minutes even that sits on 100% cpu
23:20 Seroster fun idea
23:20 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_olacH1hlWg&amp;feature=related
23:20 Cprossu so now I've got my base price of $741 usd in sweeden for a capable machine it's time to rebuild with american parts and see
23:20 BotSteve Title: nordic splitting, new way to split wood - YouTube
23:20 Experimentonomen Cprossu, to see how much ur willing to let your stuff go for eh ?
23:20 Cprossu no way Experimentonomen
23:20 Cprossu I'd be willing to send it free of charge
23:21 Cprossu it's just I have to determine if it's more worth it to send you cash to buy some stuff in your own country
23:21 Cprossu =P
23:21 Cprossu I have some spares/such around here
23:21 Monkeh Cprossu: International shipping + import duty/VAT = not worthwhile, generally.
23:21 Cprossu but I bet shipping will be outrageous on those
23:22 Cprossu exactly my thought Monkeh
23:22 Cprossu I have lots of good spare parts/such around here
23:22 Experimentonomen as long as the goods have no commercial value as in buyer only paid shipping, customs cannot add tax
23:22 Cprossu but they aren't worth sending =(
23:22 Monkeh Cprossu: I've imported from the US before.
23:22 Cprossu Experimentonomen: they can always add tax
23:22 Cprossu it's not fun
23:22 Monkeh Cprossu: Ended up ~10% more than buying it over here, except I couldn't GET it over here.
23:23 Experimentonomen i've had over 200 packages from the states and other countries, only 3-4 have gotten taxed
23:23 Cprossu hrmmm
23:23 Experimentonomen and that was generally stuff above 100 bucks or from the manuf or a buissness
23:23 Monkeh It depends how you mark them up but trying to get around it on large, heavy items often goes badly.
23:24 Cprossu how much is an airplane ticket down to grand rapids, MI for you Experimentonomen? hah hah hah hah
23:25 Experimentonomen usually the cusxtoms form is checked gift and with a value of 50 budks or less
23:25 Experimentonomen around 5000 euros
23:25 Cprossu ^ o_o that can't be right can it?!
23:26 Monkeh If you're looking at seats for people more than 5'4", yes.
23:27 eadthem waht im telling ya is  get 1 stick of ram   a good motherboard with a onboard GFX card (AMD based)  and a good CPU   good PSU  and case
23:27 Cprossu abtwat the same configuration in the states is 606.93
23:27 eadthem use a junker cdrom and HDD
23:27 Cprossu .c 606.93usd to sek
23:27 BotSteve 4 076.69367 Swedish kronor
23:27 Cprossu errr
23:27 Cprossu .c 607usd to sek
23:27 BotSteve 4 077.16385 Swedish kronor
23:27 Experimentonomen btw intl shipping on a mobo shouldent be more than 50 budks or even that
23:27 eadthem then as you get more money  get a big HDD   move your program files and docs and settings to the new HDD
23:28 Cprossu still for that price it's not a bad deal
23:28 Cprossu considering there are parts you can leave out
23:28 eadthem get more ram and then a real GFX card if you even need it       most onboard ATI/AMD cards come with dedicated ram and will do quit a bit by themselves
23:28 Cprossu this mobo doesn't have ob graphics
23:28 Cprossu (enthusiest board)
23:29 eadthem might be the wrong enthusiest board then
23:29 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=638128
23:29 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - ASUS M5A97, Socket-AM3+
23:29 Cprossu ^ pretty nice one if you ask me
23:29 Experimentonomen the gfx card i have no will prolly work just fine with minecraft, im pretty sure its mainly ram thats the issue for me atm and maybe cpu
23:29 eadthem mmm i havent done specs for phenom II
23:30 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=654277
23:30 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition
23:30 Experimentonomen and maybe ide drives are even too slow for minecraft
23:30 Cprossu ^ eadthem: I was thinking the 960T + an unlock
23:30 Cprossu the ide drives would be fine if the board had IDE
23:30 eadthem whats required in a mobo to unlock
23:30 eadthem just a good mobo
23:30 eadthem or specific chipsets
23:30 Cprossu a good mobo and the setting in bios
23:30 eadthem ya 970 and 960 arnt high end chipsets
23:31 Cprossu you want at least a 800 series chipset, pref 880, 890, 980, or 990
23:31 Cprossu etc
23:31 eadthem mm thats a guess i need to see specs
23:31 Cprossu this one is a 970 that has it though
23:31 Cprossu eadthem: did you see what I put together as an 'idea'
23:31 eadthem i might of missed it
23:31 eadthem i just got done doing taco meat
23:32 Seroster Gnight folks
23:32 Cprossu :54
23:32 Experimentonomen skroll up
23:32 Cprossu or so eadthem
23:32 Cprossu and if you don't have timestamps shame on you?
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23:32 eadthem that sucks
23:32 eadthem 990 and 980 boards dont have a onboard
23:33 eadthem ok just 990
23:33 Cprossu still I don't see any other way to build a high end gaming rig for less
23:33 Cprossu do you?
23:33 eadthem dose he need gaming
23:33 eadthem onlythinfg hes ever said is his current computer can only do IRC and some internet
23:33 Cprossu yes, and from the sounds of it he needs it to last quite a while too
23:34 eadthem 600$
23:34 Experimentonomen well minecraft needs bretty much as powerful machine as call of duty blackops do due to java
23:34 eadthem thats hard to beat
23:34 eadthem Experimentonomen you said your budget was about 200$ in a fue months
23:35 eadthem what i was sugesting would of got you a ok computer for 300$ that could be made in to a kick ass computer  as you got the money to add parts
23:35 Cprossu I think if he's able to get the CPU and the mobo we could work up from there
23:35 eadthem prob is   i dont see any new AMD chipsets with onboard GFX
23:35 Cprossu I don't see DDR3 getting any more expensive anytime soon
23:36 Cprossu eadthem: we could see what the cheapo graphics cards look like
23:36 Cprossu any of them will be better than an OB
23:36 eadthem about 30$ for a 5450 with 1GB
23:36 Experimentonomen i've been told by my uncle to save up and buy a full system in maybe a year from now rather than upgrading little by little cuz a full syhstem is cheaper than upgrading little by little in the longrun
23:36 eadthem witch is probably not as good as the onboard my dad has
23:37 Cprossu .c 240sek to usd
23:37 BotSteve 35.73072 U.S. dollars
23:37 eadthem i got him in on the 880 or 870   when they first came out with onboard and 128MB dedicated
23:37 eadthem granted he dosent do gaming   i did try it out  and that onboard card is as fast as my current system
23:37 eadthem this was like 3 years ago
23:38 Cprossu .c 409 to usd
23:38 eadthem i loved that board because  you could crossfire the onboard with a offboard
23:38 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
23:38 Cprossu .c 409sek to usd
23:38 BotSteve 60.891102 U.S. dollars
23:38 Cprossu .c 1355sek to usd
23:38 BotSteve 201.72969 U.S. dollars
23:38 Cprossu hrmmm
23:39 Cprossu so $200 gets him a 6870, $60 gets him a geforce 520
23:39 Cprossu .c 215sek to usd
23:39 BotSteve 31.65531 U.S. dollars
23:40 Cprossu and $30-$35 would cause him to get stabbing pains
23:40 eadthem ya thats why i was sugesting starting with a onboard
23:41 Cprossu yeah I see your point but then we make a small compromise on the motherboard as far as later propositions
23:41 Cprossu toughie
23:41 eadthem well like i siad   3 years ago  it wasnt a compromise
23:41 eadthem bit sad to see now you have to choose   agan
23:42 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=633002
23:42 Cprossu bingo!
23:42 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - ASUS M5A88-V EVO, Socket-AM3+
23:42 Cprossu 880G
23:42 Cprossu will give us what we need
23:43 Cprossu what sucks about it though
23:43 eadthem that might be a simliar board to what i was thinking
23:43 Cprossu is it's 200SEK more
23:43 eadthem unfortunatly its asus
23:43 Cprossu than the other board
23:43 Cprossu .c 200sek to usd
23:43 BotSteve 29.7756 U.S. dollars
23:43 Cprossu which puts us back to the $30 issue
23:44 Cprossu I'd rather not cripple him with a bulldozer
23:44 eadthem srry   we just had a bad experence with asus at work   3 new asus 5450 gfx cards    all of them caused crashes   random shutdowns and on 1  it would never boot
23:44 Cprossu if you know what I mean
23:44 Cprossu eadthem: I wouldn't buy asus's video cards personally
23:44 Cprossu their mobos yes
23:44 eadthem replaced with sapphire and it all worked
23:44 Cprossu their graphics...meh
23:44 Cprossu I'd buy them before saphirre
23:45 eadthem ya   guess i have said the same about MSI     good for mobo   prob not for gfx
23:45 Cprossu msi has quality problems
23:45 eadthem ive not had issues with sapphire   provided i go to ATI for the drivers
23:45 Cprossu they switch their component selection out way too often for my liking
23:45 Cprossu I've had issues with shoddy capacitors from sappire cards
23:46 Cprossu of the ati vendors powercolor, xfx, and diamond have been good to me
23:46 eadthem that could be   my last one i had i didnt have that long before i got a new one
23:46 eadthem alwase worred about powercolor and diamond   they allways seamd offbrandish
23:46 HighMan_MFT_Cell DONE. Need liquid tape and binding posts
23:46 eadthem wish ATI/AMD made cards still    they were alwase a sure bet
23:46 Cprossu interesting
23:46 HighMan_MFT_Cell And a switch
23:46 Cprossu http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=741927
23:47 BotSteve Title: Komplett.se - Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3, Socket-AM3+ - Demo
23:47 Cprossu I wonder what they mean by 'demo'
23:47 eadthem witch btw   i saw the PNP machines on auction from AMD that likely made ATI GFX cards
23:47 Cprossu .c 545sek to usd
23:47 BotSteve 81.13851 U.S. dollars
23:47 Cprossu ^ that's damn cheap for what it seems to be though
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23:48 Cprossu wb Experimentonomen
23:48 Experimentonomen bah stupid fucking piece of shit connection
23:48 Experimentonomen every fucking hour i have to unplug the fucking modem
23:49 Cprossu .c 4706sek to usd
23:49 BotSteve 700.619868 U.S. dollars
23:49 Cprossu sweet!
23:50 Cprossu got it down to 700 haha
23:50 Cprossu now let's take out the good graphics card and put in something cheaper
23:50 eadthem Cprossu now  MSI  micro atx boards   those i have had qualaty issues on
23:51 Cprossu +1 on that eadthem
23:51 Cprossu yikes.
23:52 Cprossu .c 3637 sek to usd
23:52 BotSteve 541.469286 U.S. dollars
23:52 Cprossu that's pretty damn in the right direction, eh Experimentonomen
23:52 Cprossu I still have the hdd and the dvd burner in it, and the 4gb ddr3, and the hex core proc, and the 550watt psu
23:53 * Cprossu changes the psu out for the 450
23:53 Electricguy bedtime! night all :)
23:53 Experimentonomen still 5 months of saving with literally nothing but tap water for food for those 5 months
23:53 eadthem http://www.thebranfordgroup.com/dnn3/Employees/OnlineAuctionAdmin/AMDElectronics/tabid/278/AuctionID/80/Default.aspx?page=1   the machines that made ATI GFX cards
23:53 BotSteve Title: AMD Electronics
23:53 Cprossu eadthem stop making me cry
23:54 eadthem the give away is   location   markham, ON
23:55 Cprossu .c 3568sek to usd
23:55 BotSteve 531.196704 U.S. dollars
23:55 Cprossu it felt like I trummed more than $10usd off damnit
23:55 Cprossu *trimmed
23:56 Cprossu so Experimentonomen you mentioned you have sata drives at your disposal
23:56 Cprossu do you have any sata hard drives, even if they are laptop hdd's?
23:56 Cprossu a laptop hdd would work fine
23:57 eadthem ya to install and run windows on   dosent even need to be big
23:57 Experimentonomen laptop drives but yeh, the connectors are the same as on 3.5 inch sata drives
23:57 Cprossu indeed :D
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23:57 eadthem because after its all going you can migrate your program files and documents and settings folders to a new drive
23:57 Cprossu Experimentonomen: I am taking off the hard drive then
23:57 Cprossu .c 2908 SEK to USD
23:57 BotSteve 432.937224 U.S. dollars
23:58 Cprossu we're down to $432.94
23:58 Cprossu not bad at all
23:58 eadthem do you have the list?
23:58 Cprossu we still have our ram, processor, a kickass motherboard
23:58 Cprossu yeah
23:58 Cprossu it's on a sweedish site though
23:58 * eadthem is braving asus'es broken website atm
23:58 eadthem sure
23:58 Cprossu and we still have the dvd burner on it too
23:58 Cprossu we have a shit-tastic but better than ,..fuck phone
23:58 eadthem well thats 30$ that can wait
23:59 Experimentonomen fuck phone ?
23:59 eadthem and when its time for a burner  mitaswell make it a blue ray  there only about 70$
23:59 Experimentonomen phone wans sex ? :P
23:59 eadthem i say agan  once its time for one
23:59 eadthem Experimentonomen youve never seen an american phone :p

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