Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-04-11

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00:01 * egrsteve grabs thumper to revive it
00:02 BitViper are you sure thumper is sufficient ?
00:02 * Experimentonomen swallows the rest of his beer and belches like chris did earlier
00:06 egrsteve thumper should do
00:07 * Experimentonomen supplies a beer can to thump
00:08 Experimentonomen aight im goin to bed, nite peepz
00:08 BitViper if i had one of the pcb's from the design i just sent to a board house today id let ya thump that for a test
00:08 egrsteve Experimentonomen: did you hear about the person walking down the street when thumper fired
00:08 BitViper egrsteve : someone piss themselves on the sidewalk ?
00:08 Experimentonomen yes i did, briefly
00:08 Experimentonomen but nite peepz
00:10 egrsteve chris happened to be driving in front of HVL as thumper fired, at the same time someone was walking down the other side of the street across from the lab, from what I heard they hit the deck at the sound thinking it was gunfire
00:10 BitViper bahahahaha
00:11 egrsteve I wish I saw it happen
00:23 SparkyProjects egrsteve: Maybe they shouls set up a camera and record someone walking when thumper fires ;)
00:23 BotSteve sparkyprojects: I have the following messages for you:
00:23 BotSteve At 10 Apr 23:40Z, Seroster asked me to tell sparkyprojects Whenever you get back, Here's the first "light".   I think I got some serious tuning to do, or I just need to throw my caps in a garbage disposal grinder and get proper ones. (*Cough* I'LL PAY YA!*Cough*)    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWfX9TSOIU
00:23 BotSteve At 10 Apr 23:43Z, Seroster asked me to tell sparkyprojects I think the fuckup was that I used a schematic that uses the SG as both safety and "fire". I'll work it out tomorrow. It's too damn late now =P
00:24 astro73 "I solemnly swear to always hold others to a higher standard than myself, say one thing and do another, and in general be an ass. Oh, you mean the hippocratic oath?"
00:26 epictang0 i love how people are freaking out about CISPA...breaks out the tinfoil for the conspiracy theorists
00:26 astro73 .w CISPA
00:26 BotSteve "CISPA may refer to" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CISPA
00:27 astro73 does it ever end?
00:28 astro73 oh, it's really, really meant to not follow in the footsteps of PIPA, SOPA, and ACTA
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00:29 HighMan I haven't been on for a while...
00:35 masterofmonks A day.
00:39 epictang0 a lifetime
00:39 masterofmonks Diamonds are forever
00:39 egrsteve no, diamonds will burn
00:40 HighMan Yes in minecraft.
00:40 masterofmonks True, but we were going for a whole DeBeers commercial thing
00:40 HighMan I had taht happen before.
00:40 astro73 nuclear waste lasts a lot longer
00:40 masterofmonks HighMan, actually diamonds will burn in real life also.
00:40 HighMan Artificial Diamonds..
00:41 masterofmonks Real diamonds.
00:41 masterofmonks they are just carbon.
00:41 masterofmonks Carbon burns.
00:41 epictang0 *charcoal*
00:41 HighMan I have never tried that. And I really don't want to xD
00:41 astro73 artificial diamonds are just carbon, too, aren't they?
00:43 HighMan Yah
00:47 HighMan What happened to alice? xD
00:48 epictang0 alice went to the moon
00:48 HighMan ....
00:49 epictang0 honeymooners
00:49 HighMan No moonnig
00:49 epictang0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCv6b96OK0
00:49 BotSteve Title: RALPH & ALICE: TO THE MOON! - YouTube
00:49 HighMan I'll watch taht later...
00:50 masterofmonks Don't worry HighMan you won't get it.
00:50 HighMan xD
00:58 egrsteve morning all
00:59 * egrsteve returns to lurking as to not drive tgg|wannabe crazy
00:59 astro73 HighMan, i renamed it roam
01:00 astro73 because i got tired of people getting confused
01:00 HighMan Who might that be?
01:00 astro73 nobody
01:00 HighMan ...xD
01:00 astro73 it's because it's a bouncer, so it roams
01:00 astro73 i use astro73|roam from many places
01:00 HighMan O o
01:00 HighMan O ok
01:01 astro73 alice is the name of the IRC client
01:01 astro73 also, you're thick
01:01 HighMan Yah you've told me that.
01:01 masterofmonks astro73, besides the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.
01:01 HighMan I still somehow think you are femine...
01:02 masterofmonks HighMan, less femine than you.
01:02 HighMan -_-
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01:03 Monkeh|Lap masterofmonks: Since when is astro73 ten feet tall?
01:03 epictang0 monks are male...i have never met a female monk...though with equal opportunity and such, it is probably only a matter of time
01:04 masterofmonks epictang0, Quite possible but this monk has all the common gender regalia of monks.
01:04 eadthem Cprossu tgg|yNos  dose it not make sense to mix brands or models of HDD's in raid 1
01:04 masterofmonks Including a beard.
01:04 eadthem to reduce the risk of 2 drives failing at once
01:04 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: The risk is already greatly reduced by the usage of two drives.
01:04 eadthem yes
01:04 eadthem but what of  a bad batch failure
01:04 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: It's semi-common practice to mix batches
01:05 astro73 epictang0, i think we call them "nuns"
01:05 epictang0 we mix all our drives...we buy from 4 differnt suppliers to make sure
01:05 Monkeh|Lap Most people don't mix brands or models
01:05 epictang0 but all of our spinning raid is WD
01:06 HighMan If a emp goes off and your car shuts off.... Why can't you turn it back on?
01:06 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: The rest don't spin because they're Seagate and head crashed? ;)
01:06 astro73 HighMan, because hollywood is stupid
01:06 HighMan xD So you can turn it back on?
01:06 epictang0 Monkeh|Lap: they dont spin because they are ssd...:-)
01:06 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: I figured
01:06 eadthem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074
01:06 astro73 HighMan, haven't really played with EMPs much
01:06 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
01:06 HighMan I was just curious...
01:06 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: EMP has broadly similar effects to ESD, as I recall.
01:07 HighMan So.... Car would be destroyed?
01:07 epictang0 just on a huge scale...
01:07 astro73 eadthem, mixing models could also lead to complicated performance behaviors
01:07 epictang0 ^this
01:07 masterofmonks .wik starfish prime
01:07 Monkeh|Lap HighMan: Most likely, yes.
01:07 BotSteve "Starfish Prime was a high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States of America on July 9, 1962, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and the Defense Atomic Support Agency (which became the Defense Nuclear Agency in 1971)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime
01:07 HighMan That would suck.
01:08 eadthem well my thought is 2 diffrent brands  of similar drives and speeds    shuld be ok for preformance   and reduce the odds of simultanius failure
01:09 eadthem the intent is RAID 10
01:09 astro73 i would consult google's study of hard drive failures to see if there was any variation across brands
01:10 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: You can't be certain of matching behaviour with different firmware.
01:10 astro73 it could also have security implications, since different drives have different security vulnerability, but you would have to be really paranoid for that
01:10 Monkeh|Lap I do run a 1+0 array with different brands in it, but it's not performance critical and has never been hammered
01:10 eadthem i dont understand   why would matching behaveyour be important
01:10 Monkeh|Lap Why is matching the size of the wheels on each side of your car important?
01:11 Monkeh|Lap Eventually it gets to be a problem.
01:11 Monkeh|Lap I know, crap analogy.
01:11 eadthem mmm ya
01:11 astro73 it's not important, but it could get complicated
01:11 astro73 you don't have consistent performance across the array
01:12 Monkeh|Lap It could lead to unexpected latency
01:12 eadthem if speed is nice but not totaly critical  ie  im ok with speed of the slowist 2 drives
01:12 Monkeh|Lap And by that I mean complete I/O stall if you're out of buffer space.
01:12 Monkeh|Lap Worst case, but..
01:12 epictang0 build a better bugger
01:12 epictang0 buffer
01:12 eadthem i mean RAID dosent accualy load data from every disk at once  unless 1 disk says its having problems
01:12 Monkeh|Lap It doesn't pay to mix them
01:12 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Yes it does
01:12 Monkeh|Lap It also writes to them at the same time
01:13 eadthem then how can raid 1 give you better read speed than a single disk
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01:13 epictang0 with the stripe
01:13 eadthem 1 isnt stripe
01:13 Monkeh|Lap epictang0: It's a mirror, it doesn't have a stripe.
01:13 Monkeh|Lap But it _can_ stripe the reads
01:13 epictang0 no...i meant that to go to the raid 5 part
01:13 epictang0 lol
01:13 Monkeh|Lap If you're reading a large contiguous file it can read different parts of it off each disk at the same time
01:14 epictang0 1 is faster because the controller doesnt have to worry about the drive it writes to -right now-
01:14 Monkeh|Lap Not sure how many implementations actually do that mind you
01:14 eadthem 1 it has to write to both drives at once
01:14 eadthem so 1 is slightly slower write than a single drive
01:15 Monkeh|Lap Yep
01:15 eadthem and its slightly slower than the slowist drive
01:15 Monkeh|Lap And that's where it can get complicated.
01:15 eadthem i guess i need to profile the current setup
01:15 Monkeh|Lap How does it know just how slow one drive is so it can slow the write to the other?
01:16 Monkeh|Lap Things work better if the drives are more or less in sync.
01:16 epictang0 i dont play with 1, and come to think about it have never played with 0 either...except in like 60 or 50
01:16 eadthem currently its a older model intel core 2 duo  DELL  optiplex  and a single 200GB HDD
01:16 Monkeh|Lap You can mix different models of drive.
01:16 Monkeh|Lap But if you're buying new ones, don't bother.
01:16 Monkeh|Lap And don't bother with trying to avoid batches for a simple two-drive RAID-1, either
01:16 Monkeh|Lap It's not worth the effort.
01:16 eadthem currently the HDD is full  so i need to ither add another disk   or   because its a DELL and will likely fail sooner than later anyhow   a new computer
01:17 eadthem there are several times where the robot waits for the computer to catch up  so i figured this was a oppertun time to upgrade the whole system
01:17 Monkeh|Lap The hell sort of C2D can't keep up with a robot?
01:17 eadthem its a AOI machine
01:18 eadthem some frames have up to 300 diffrent inspectors in them
01:18 astro73 .w AOI
01:18 BotSteve "Ao (color), a Japanese color word (noun) Aoi, the Japanese adjectival form of ao" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOI
01:19 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Ahh, okay, yes, that might take some horsepoer.
01:19 eadthem about 1/2 of the inspectors are image matching inspectors   with 5-20 possable valid images,  and  up to 5 degrees angle compensation    and on average a 20 x 20 pixle search area for a given image
01:19 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: You need more cores.
01:20 Monkeh|Lap All about running as many jobs in parallel as you can
01:20 eadthem it dosent fully use both cores
01:20 eadthem it maxes out one and the other just deals with windows IO
01:20 epictang0 hardware controller
01:20 Monkeh|Lap Yeah, it needs to be properly threaded so it can use more cores if you're going to do that sort of work on a normal PC.
01:21 astro73 well there's you're problem. you're using windows :)
01:21 Monkeh|Lap Yep, that's part of it
01:21 Monkeh|Lap :)
01:21 eadthem windows IO i mean drawing accleration,  image grabber card,  robot IO,  samba server for the repair computers to get the data ...
01:21 astro73 (the NT kernel is actually very good at multithreading and thread coordination)
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01:22 eadthem ya my plan was to get a high single core speed  dual core chip
01:22 Monkeh|Lap astro73: Yes, but the rest of the OS is hopeless at doing anything reliably :P
01:22 eadthem and the software hates hyperthreading
01:22 Monkeh|Lap astro73: Windows can't even keep the clock straight under load.
01:22 eadthem it causes noticable slow downs
01:22 Monkeh|Lap That's because HT is not ideal
01:22 Monkeh|Lap It can work really well for some loads
01:22 Monkeh|Lap Not for others
01:22 eadthem ya if i had my way it would run linux
01:23 Monkeh|Lap Feed it to a nice hexacore AMD. ;)
01:23 astro73 monkeh, yes, but important to note if you're doing heavy processing
01:23 eadthem i cant get inspector software for it
01:23 astro73 and hyperthreading is just a hack to try and squeeze more speed out of a single core
01:23 Monkeh|Lap Yeah.
01:23 eadthem ay my plan is probably a phenom II dual or quad core
01:23 Monkeh|Lap It can work really quite well but it can also be harmful
01:23 eadthem there arnt many phenom II duals
01:24 Monkeh|Lap It'd be much more useful if apps could opt in or out of being placed on an HT core (and I don't just mean the virtual core but the physical one being used for HT, too)
01:24 astro73 "You're not using the ALU? I'll give it to another thread"
01:24 eadthem but the grabber and IO are both PCI    and the robot needs RS232 for controlling the paint marker
01:24 Monkeh|Lap Then you could profile it and decide whether to use HT or not.
01:25 eadthem wait wahts that  you need to use lots of cache for image matching?  o im sorry but you can only use 1/2    explorer.exe might need someoen incase soemone loads the start menu :p
01:25 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: hehe.
01:26 Monkeh|Lap If the software is properly threaded I'd seriously consider throwing more than a dual core at it.
01:26 astro73 windows is terrible for specialized applications
01:26 eadthem wether or not amd or intel has teh fastist chip   i still say bulldosers method of core shareing  owns intels hyperthreading
01:26 Monkeh|Lap This sort of workload, I can see more cores being better than faster ones.
01:26 eadthem sadly  so could i
01:26 astro73 "Why would you not want a desktop environment? everyone loves start menus. i don't understand."
01:26 eadthem but the software dose not use more than 1 core to a full exetent  indicating its single threaded
01:27 eadthem or least the critical part is
01:27 astro73 eadthem, is it forkable?
01:27 eadthem ive not tryed forceing it
01:27 astro73 meaning you run several instances and partition agents across it
01:27 eadthem its propritary software
01:27 eadthem soemthing else i wish i could change :p
01:28 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Heh. "You press go. Software work. Press go now."
01:28 Monkeh|Lap Gotta love proprietary stuff. :)
01:28 astro73 can you beat the proprieter about the head?
01:28 eadthem its also software that youc an tell how baddly its spagetticode  just by the way it crashes once a day
01:28 astro73 oh!
01:29 Monkeh|Lap Lack of error handling, a classical example of why I don't like software devs.
01:29 astro73 does it also use the run times of VB 4, 5, and 6, as well as the C runtime?
01:29 eadthem i have publicly humilated the company on several forums  and been a royal pain in the ass
01:29 eadthem my best work was posting a serise of screenshots    timestamped    each a diffrent crash    all 4 in 1 day
01:29 astro73 monkeh, that's why i don't like bad software devs
01:29 Monkeh|Lap astro73: Yes, unfortunately finding _good_ ones is very rare.
01:29 Monkeh|Lap So in general I don't like software devs.
01:29 astro73 working on it, then you can have me
01:30 eadthem btw fyi   its a MV3L  by mirtec
01:30 astro73 finding a good anything is very rare
01:30 Monkeh|Lap Can you work with an exceedingly lazy northerner with an unhealthy collection of games consoles?
01:30 Monkeh|Lap (no, that's not me)
01:30 eadthem can he write C/C++/ASM ?
01:30 Monkeh|Lap Yes.
01:30 astro73 monkeh, maybe
01:30 astro73 eadthem, yes, eww, and sometimes
01:31 Monkeh|Lap He can probably write assembler for at least four CPUs.
01:31 Monkeh|Lap Not counting archaic games consoles
01:31 wannabe1987 i think i survived
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01:31 eadthem has he read and understood the book "code compleate 2" ?
01:31 Monkeh|Lap I have no idea.
01:31 eadthem srisly  that is a realy realy good book if you do programming
01:31 Monkeh|Lap I don't
01:32 astro73 i've only written ASM for one CPU, one educational thought-experiment CPU, and read another
01:32 Monkeh|Lap I've long determined I don't like it and I especially don't like doing it for money
01:32 eadthem i have 1/2 a mind to glue a copy on each of the engineers desks at work :p
01:32 astro73 .w code complete 2
01:32 BotSteve "Code Complete is a software development book, written by Steve McConnell and published in 1993 by Microsoft Press, urging developers to get past code and fix programming and the 'big design up front' waterfall model." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Complete
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01:32 wannabe1987 hi masterofmonks
01:32 masterofmonks Hi wannabe1987
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01:33 wannabe1987 zomg lee!
01:33 Monkeh|Lap Hmm, hopefully my Arduino will arrive tomorrow
01:33 Monkeh|Lap And if I'm very lucky the first batch of stuff for my home-made decade resistance box.
01:33 astro73 eadthem, i'll have to add that book to my list
01:33 Monkeh|Lap I worked out the cost of it earlier and it's funny cheap.
01:33 astro73 although i'm following more agile people at this point
01:34 eadthem the V2   his website has some good selected chapters
01:34 wannabe1987 astro!
01:34 eadthem agile?
01:34 astro73 wannabe1987, yes?
01:34 wannabe1987 hi
01:35 astro73 eadthem, agile development? extreme programming?
01:35 astro73 wannabe1987, hi
01:35 astro73 eadthem, as opposed to waterfall
01:35 wannabe1987 are you busy sunday at 4?
01:35 astro73 wannabe1987, don't think so. concert?
01:35 wannabe1987 yessir
01:38 eadthem ya as far as all the buzzwords   lean software   agile develoopment    waterfall development
01:38 * wannabe1987 complains of back and knee pain
01:38 eadthem there all a load of bull
01:38 astro73 eadthem, yes, but there's something different to agile
01:39 astro73 i mean, a lot of it is buzzword bingo
01:39 eadthem i spend 2/3 of the total project time on planning  1/3 on programming
01:39 eadthem my programs typicaly get easyer and faster to work on with more and more feature going in with less bugs as i near compleation
01:39 astro73 that sounds wrong...
01:39 astro73 ok, you're probably doing it right
01:39 astro73 somehow...
01:40 lwq_laptop i watched the blog today and just fell asleep and never woke up till now
01:40 astro73 lwq_laptop, that's why i stopped watching
01:40 eadthem you know how some pepole say that the first 90% of programming conumes the first 90% of the time and the last 10% of programming consumes the last 90% of time ?
01:41 astro73 the 80-20 rule? yeah
01:41 eadthem i just dont experence that
01:41 astro73 huh
01:41 eadthem i have  when i was learning
01:41 astro73 you found your zen?
01:41 eadthem but in the last 3 years  ive never realy experenced that
01:42 eadthem i mean we had the 80 800 rule when me and my frends were working on the swgprecuEmu server
01:42 astro73 my problem is that the last 80% is all the little things that you need to make software really usable
01:43 astro73 but i'm not really profesional yet
01:43 eadthem think we learned more in 4 rewrites of that MMO server than we did combined in collage  and school
01:43 astro73 nice
01:44 eadthem astro73 ya see  my definition of the last 80% might be diffrent than standard
01:44 astro73 oh?
01:44 eadthem i consider the last 80% to be bugfixing and restructuring
01:44 eadthem or least thats what ive alwase thougth it was supose to be
01:45 astro73 lol
01:45 astro73 that's pretty normal, i think
01:45 astro73 "we wrote the software!"
01:45 astro73 "Great, now make it work for more than 5 minutes at a time"
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01:46 eadthem what i do is i lay out the class and object skelitons   and i do it over and over until i dont think i can make it anymore elegent
01:46 eadthem in C++/h  files
01:46 astro73 there's half your problem :P
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01:46 eadthem then i just go thrue and fill in the bodys
01:47 eadthem witch generaly goes faster and faster
01:47 astro73 you might be interested in TDD and object mocking
01:47 eadthem ive tryed UML   ive tryed flowcharts,
01:47 eadthem ive found both to be useless
01:47 astro73 test-driven development
01:48 astro73 UML is for those that can't design, i'm sure
01:48 lwq_laptop hi dexter12353 are we going to bash our master today?
01:48 eadthem what where you create the problem/problems  and then make the code to solve it
01:48 astro73 TDD is the idea that you use unit tests from the beginning and write the test before the function
01:48 eadthem ya  tbh ive only done that in the last year
01:49 astro73 so you catch bugs early
01:49 eadthem before most of my method was i would write the new library or object in the intended program,
01:49 eadthem and then once done i would step thrue execution line by line watching eatch varable
01:50 astro73 that sounds absurdly tedious
01:50 eadthem ive found it for the stuff ive written to be as effective as the TDD in my more recent work
01:51 eadthem but if i TDD  then i accualy do the test case
01:51 eadthem if i dont do it first then it probably wont happen :p
01:51 astro73 plus, you don't forget about tests later
01:52 BatSteve word
01:52 BatSteve ooh, test cases!
01:52 dexter12353 lol
01:52 dexter12353 hi geek group
01:53 astro73 and TDD is useful for things like continuous integration tools
01:53 eadthem ya given my lastist MMO ambtion
01:53 astro73 and who doesn't like having a traffic light in the dev pen?
01:54 eadthem ive been going bakc and doing testcases for all my old librarys
01:54 astro73 eadthem, my brother wants to do a provably secure distributed MMO
01:54 eadthem realy wishing i had done them outright
01:54 eadthem ?
01:54 astro73 think bittorrent
01:54 astro73 but MMO instead of files
01:54 astro73 no central hosting
01:55 eadthem well given my current project is a opensource MMO thats a intrueging idea
01:55 astro73 but to do it in a way to prevent cheating is Really Hard
01:55 eadthem ive not figured out how best to do anti cheet
01:56 eadthem and writing the server is most of the fun
01:56 eadthem its like designing a huge assembly line from the building up
01:57 eadthem the bigist rush i got programming was working on the SWG  precu emu
01:57 eadthem just the design ideas
01:57 eadthem how you could make everything as multithreaded as possable
01:57 astro73 come again?
01:57 astro73 SWG?
01:57 BatSteve Provably secure distributed MMO?
01:57 eadthem doing server scale  RAIC
01:58 astro73 sorry, i'm pretty weak on my high-level theoretical CS
01:58 eadthem swg  starwars galaxys
01:58 astro73 .w RAIC
01:58 BotSteve "Royal Architectural Institute of Canada, a Canadian association representing architects" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIC
01:58 BatSteve How do you even define "secure" in that context?
01:58 eadthem redundant array of inexpensive computers
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01:58 dexter12353 .stream
01:58 BotSteve The Geek Group Live Web Stream can be found at: http://justin.tv/thegeekgroup
01:58 astro73 BatSteve, clients are unable to cheat on a mathematical level
01:59 eadthem the core idea in makeing a MMO server to be RAIC is that  there is 1 binary for everything
02:00 astro73 i can't explain it all properly
02:00 BatSteve astro73: so it'd be something like the BitCoin system for preventing fraudulent transactions, except the transactions would be actions in an MMO?
02:00 astro73 something like that
02:01 astro73 let me see if i can drag him in for you
02:02 eadthem depending on what is most needed and its location in the network  it can become a zone(combat single threaded server); firewall/packet preprocessor*; chat server*; bazzar/vendor server*; space zone server; crafting server*; database data prefetch server*
02:02 astro73 BatSteve, sorry, his brain has been claimed for the night
02:03 BatSteve that's fine
02:03 eadthem whereas the master for that cluster  monitors each server, and at the moment that something seams wrong or overloaded  it transfers load to another server in the cluster witch automaticly assumes the most needed function.
02:03 astro73 eadthem, cloud computing
02:03 eadthem i guess
02:03 eadthem i hate that term
02:04 astro73 it's the term
02:04 eadthem i call it a self reparing cluster
02:04 eadthem cloud sounds evil and big brother ish
02:04 astro73 you have a pile of servers and a pile of application instances
02:04 astro73 and you toss one at the other
02:04 eadthem sounds like  putting stuff in to a large server farm and hopeing someone wont hack your account and steel it all
02:05 astro73 .... if you say so?
02:06 astro73 also, i might have a slightly irreverent style of describing things
02:07 eadthem im rather sure cloud computing has more to do with storing your data and running your applcations   remotly  on a computer you have no control over
02:07 astro73 afaik, that's the usual method, but you can do a cloud in-house
02:08 astro73 the core idea is there's an abstraction between the applications and the server they run on, allowing to high scalability and availability
02:10 astro73 the hardest part, imo, would be the data store
02:10 eadthem for RAIC for a MMO cluster?
02:11 astro73 for a generic cloud platform
02:11 eadthem my rough ideas for the RAIC compatable database server is
02:12 eadthem using 64MB extents for the data storage files,   each file has a serial number,   each server is the primary for a given number of storage file segments and the seconary for another ammount of segments
02:13 wannabe1987 ooo men at "work" :P
02:13 eadthem the things im still working out is how best to do the routings of client data to the servers
02:14 * wannabe1987 is peanut gallery
02:14 eadthem probably there would be a master that would know based on the keys or indexes witch segments have what data
02:15 eadthem and upon a client connecting,  it would be told what segments have what tables and who has what segments
02:15 astro73 have you looked at how the big companies have done it?
02:15 eadthem from there its a matter of keeping all the clients informed about the segments
02:15 eadthem what MMO DB?
02:15 eadthem or DB in general
02:15 astro73 things like GFS and amazon's whatever
02:15 eadthem no
02:16 astro73 might be worth doing
02:17 eadthem all i know is i would like to move away from mariaDB/mysql  for MMO servers,  purely based on that converting data to SQL and back  is not a bug safe programming pratice
02:17 eadthem and not an efficant one ither
02:18 eadthem id much rather have a inside object DB controller
02:18 eadthem that works off C/C++ datatypes
02:18 astro73 i think half your problem is using C++, but that might be personal opinion
02:18 eadthem thus removing the translation to and from text,  and removing the loss of types on returned data
02:19 eadthem the problem exist in anything that uses SQL
02:19 eadthem the determing factor is to what extent is it a problem
02:20 astro73 i thought serialization would be a problem, period?
02:21 astro73 XML, JSON, BSON, proto bufs, etc
02:21 astro73 you still have to serialize and unserialize your data
02:21 eadthem well in PHP   because of its loose typing,  type safety is accualy  a bit more safe with SQL querys or least mysql    you can refrence cols in a row  by name
02:21 eadthem its still serlised and un serilised
02:21 astro73 that's just because C++ is stupid and won't let you do dynamic programming
02:21 eadthem just the loose typing dose that for you
02:22 eadthem ya
02:22 astro73 loose typing != dynamic
02:22 astro73 i might start calling it "lose typing"
02:22 eadthem on the other hand at what points dose the data need to be seralsed and un serlised
02:22 astro73 usually when you need to transmit it to another process
02:22 eadthem sql     well thats because  SQL is a languige
02:23 eadthem make it in to  a binary protocal and thats easyer
02:23 astro73 network, filesystem, or DB
02:23 eadthem or removes it
02:23 astro73 how much have you looked into prior art on some of these problems?
02:23 eadthem talking to the client,  well   client can handle binary data  so can the server,  so why serlise packets,   just ship them full on binary
02:24 eadthem ive touched on the sql thing
02:24 eadthem ive not looked in that much
02:24 eadthem i dont beleve there is a very elegent solution to binary sql
02:24 astro73 "serialization" just means taking your data from a RAM-based store (pointers, alignment, etc) to a ordered sequence of octets
02:25 astro73 and you don't really need SQL either
02:25 eadthem client to server and server to server com  i have a simi elegent solution to serliseation and unserlisation
02:25 astro73 based on what i've read, protocol buffers would be pretty good for what you're doing
02:27 astro73 no personal experience, though
02:28 eadthem my current idea is something similar to simple config system
02:28 astro73 my dev style often consists of "what have other people done? will it mean less work for me?"
02:28 eadthem where in the object there would be a data controller
02:28 eadthem on construction its passed or given links to the data that needs to be or would ever need to be copyed to the client or db server or whatever
02:29 astro73 why are you writing this in C++ again?
02:29 eadthem then it dynamicly handles wrapping the whole thing up and sending the data or   unwrapping or initilising a new object with receved data
02:29 eadthem because i have 5 years experence in C++
02:30 eadthem its fast
02:30 eadthem and portable
02:30 astro73 you'd need things like proxies, lazy loading, and other things
02:30 astro73 that's all really high-level stuff
02:30 astro73 and you're working in a language that requires you to manage your own memory
02:31 eadthem i write the memory managment system and then reuse it for everything
02:31 eadthem whats wrong with that
02:31 eadthem sota speek
02:31 astro73 you had to write it?
02:31 astro73 you had to spend time thinking about it
02:31 eadthem but only once
02:32 astro73 and you still have to make calls to it at least every time you write a class
02:32 astro73 instead of it being automatic
02:32 eadthem i learned ASM before C or C++
02:32 eadthem so C++ is a perfect languige for me
02:32 astro73 ok
02:33 eadthem its low level enough to keep me entertaned  and high level enough that i can get a lot of stuff done very fast
02:33 astro73 the best programmers are the ones that know a wide variety of languages, imho
02:33 eadthem i know php  and if i had to visual basic
02:33 astro73 aspire to higher than PHP
02:34 astro73 php is a terrible language
02:34 eadthem i can do lua  i could probably do python and perl if i ever found a need to
02:34 eadthem what would you sugest i do html pre processing/html scripting in?
02:34 astro73 for something like this, i would be looking into something like JavaScript/Node (very event-driven) or earlang (designed for networking)
02:34 eadthem erlang?
02:35 astro73 yeah
02:35 astro73 PHP is good for little web apps
02:35 astro73 like perl is good for one-off scripts
02:35 Monkeh|Lap astro73: And java is good for nothing?
02:35 Monkeh|Lap :)
02:35 astro73 monkeh, java is good for masses of lousy programmers
02:35 eadthem ya  like  amazon.com    newegg  and wikimeda
02:36 eadthem java is good at slowing down computers
02:36 eadthem almost as good as flash
02:36 Monkeh|Lap No, flash doesn't slow computers down
02:36 astro73 major web companies (google, amazon, facebook) will use more than one language
02:36 Monkeh|Lap It just heats them up and makes them look slow
02:36 astro73 mediawiki is in PHP, and i feel that they suffer for it
02:37 astro73 it's turing complete, so you can solve any turing problem in it
02:37 astro73 doesn't mean you should
02:37 astro73 i've had patches accepted into mediawiki
02:38 eadthem still cant beleve you think mediawiki would be better off in erlang
02:39 astro73 i didn't say erlang
02:39 astro73 i've never used erlang, and it looks weird and odd to me
02:39 eadthem earlang
02:39 astro73 i said you should look into erlang because it was made for high availability and distribution
02:39 astro73 but i think you are not well-versed as a software maker unless you know at least one dynamic language, with meta programming
02:40 eadthem define what you mean by dynamic
02:40 astro73 being able to define and change code through code
02:41 astro73 the biggest thing is that the classes/functions usable is not fixed at compile time
02:41 eadthem not sure why its useful to have self modifying code
02:42 astro73 "self modifying code" implies that you're going in and changing the instructions in a code block
02:42 astro73 like some of the assembly in the old days
02:43 eadthem remember it has to do 3D
02:43 eadthem and at good speed
02:44 eadthem and if i end up with a erlang server and a c++ client   then i have a lot worse issue than just serlisation for SQL
02:47 astro73 the client has to do 3d
02:47 astro73 and you can do mixed language
02:47 eadthem ya but  having the same com protocal libary  is nice in that i never have to deal with    is the client expenting diffrent data than im sending
02:47 astro73 engine in C/C++ with behavior in lua or scripting
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03:06 wannabe1987 zomg so bored
03:06 wannabe1987 and tired
03:07 astro73 eadthem, sorry, i got distracted by other things
03:07 wannabe1987 shiny?
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03:26 wannabe1987 ohai
03:27 wannabe1987 bye everyone
03:27 wannabe1987 he's stealing my m&ms
03:30 * egrsteve returns to lurking as to not drive tgg|wannabe crazy
03:30 egrsteve as long as he doesn't take my skittles it's ok
03:35 * lwq_laptop steals egrsteve's skittles
03:35 egrsteve you can't steal my skittles but I suppose you could pirate them
03:36 lwq_laptop what?
03:36 lwq_laptop i dont understand
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03:45 egrsteve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-MT5zeY6CU&feature=related
03:45 BotSteve Title: Beethoven Moonlight Sonata (Sonata al chiaro di luna) - YouTube
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03:48 Monkeh|Lap Anyone running samba (*waves to yNos, Guardianzozo*), you may want to be doing some updates around now.
03:49 astro73|roam why?
03:50 Monkeh|Lap astro73|roam: Remote code execution.
03:50 lwq_laptop i want to go climb a tree
03:50 astro73|roam meep
03:50 Monkeh|Lap astro73|roam: With root privs.
03:50 astro73|roam nice
03:50 Monkeh|Lap Assuming you're running it as root, of course, which in many setups you.. are.
03:51 Monkeh|Lap astro73|roam: http://www.samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2012-1182
03:51 BotSteve Title: Samba - Security Announcement Archive
03:51 astro73|roam idk what i'm running it, although i do know that you shouldn't be able to get to mine from the internet
03:52 Monkeh|Lap Still, it's not nice to have that present on an internal network either
03:52 Monkeh|Lap It makes me twitch.
03:52 Monkeh|Lap I'll be doing mine first thing, first: sleep
03:56 astro73|roam no kidding
04:06 lwq_laptop time to watch repo again
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04:13 lwq_laptop hi hhrlisa im watching repo :D
04:13 hhrlisa im watching chopped
04:13 lwq_laptop what?
04:14 hhrlisa its a show on the food network
04:14 lwq_laptop oh
04:14 lwq_laptop this movie is a rock opera :P
04:15 hhrlisa so you're watching repo the genetic opera
04:15 lwq_laptop yes
04:15 hhrlisa k
04:16 lwq_laptop its awesome. i watched it once like sunday but have to watch it again
04:17 lwq_laptop i just love this movie
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04:24 lwq_laptop hi minifig404
04:24 minifig404 Greetings.
04:25 minifig404 Who was it that was asking about the peer-to-peer MMO?
04:26 astro73|roam is bats in? this is the brother with the crazy mmo
04:27 astro73|roam .seen batsteve
04:27 BotSteve astro73|roam: I last saw BatSteve 2.40 hours ago at 2012-04-11 02:03:03 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:27:05 UTC
04:27 astro73|roam .seen eadthem
04:27 BotSteve astro73|roam: I last saw eadthem 1.65 hours ago at 2012-04-11 02:47:52 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:27:09 UTC
04:27 BatSteve hi astro
04:27 astro73|roam hi BatSteve
04:27 astro73|roam minifig404 is the guy with the mmo
04:28 BatSteve ah, gotcha
04:28 minifig404 Hell, BatSteve
04:28 minifig404 *Hello
04:28 BatSteve minifig404: howdy
04:28 BatSteve Tell me about this MMO?
04:28 hhrlisa BATSTEVE!!!!
04:28 minifig404 Well, the game side isn't well-formed yet. The basic idea is to make an MMO without a central Server.
04:29 minifig404 But to do that decently well, the players can't directly control the data related to their players.
04:29 minifig404 Not even the private stuff (if it exists).
04:29 * astro73|roam hugs hhrlisa
04:29 torpid sounds like you're describing Dagorhir....
04:29 hhrlisa hi astro!
04:30 astro73|roam hi
04:30 minifig404 torpid: Never heard of it.
04:30 BatSteve Right
04:30 BatSteve and it's supposed to be mathematically secure?
04:30 BatSteve The only distributed, secure system I know of is BitCoin
04:30 minifig404 Well, once I figure out how to do that, yes.
04:31 BatSteve is it similar to that?
04:31 minifig404 Not necessarily.
04:31 minifig404 The signing all transactions idea could be useful...
04:31 minifig404 ...but beyond that I feel like the data tracking requirements are entirely different.
04:31 torpid minifig404, I was being facetious and describing grown men making armor and hacking each other with foam weapons.
04:32 astro73|roam that's a terrible LARP
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04:32 minifig404 torpid: Sorry, I'm not that good at non-serious language, and even worse than usual right now.
04:32 astro73|roam for one, there's no RP involved
04:32 LemPhone well... I just found a rather fun hill in my area
04:33 torpid my apologies.
04:33 minifig404 So, the main approaches are multiparty stuff, and having everyone store everything.
04:33 LemPhone I rolled over the crest, cruised down it and checked the speedo at the bottom, 68.9kmh
04:33 minifig404 torpid: No harm done.
04:34 LemPhone just gravity alone, gonna have to get a running start next time and see if I can hit 80 :-D
04:34 BatSteve Yeah, those seem to be the two really difficult problems.
04:34 minifig404 BatSteve: If I go for the MPC version, I can make some data private, but there's still a problem with colluding players.
04:35 LemPhone batsteve, how goes the youtube search?
04:36 astro73|roam my killer attack against it is a shadow network which controls several clients and shares all the secret data between them
04:36 BatSteve LemPhone: Doesn't.  Blame Katemonster, she just got EVE online
04:36 minifig404 BatSteve: If I have all players store everything, I can get better response times, less bandwidth usage, and better (maybe) resistance to collusion.
04:36 LemPhone lol
04:36 Katemonster i take no responsibility for this.
04:37 LemPhone lies LIES!
04:37 BatSteve One of the key parts of an MMO though is new content.
04:37 BatSteve Wouldn't it be hard or impossible to push new content in a distributed system?
04:37 astro73|roam i think we figure that software updates are done traditionally
04:38 astro73|roam or at least using established systems
04:38 minifig404 Or use signed BitTorrent.
04:38 minifig404 IE, there's a particular trusted certificate.
04:38 LemPhone batsteve, torrent style distribution with signature checkes
04:38 LemPhone .t aest
04:38 BotSteve Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:38:53 AEST
04:38 minifig404 But yes, there does need to be a starting point.
04:39 minifig404 But really, I'm mostly interested in how far I can push the security of the data storage.
04:39 minifig404 The RPG side is, to me, completely boring.
04:39 LemPhone I must admit, I am kinda tempted to get back into EVE
04:40 BatSteve Do it!
04:40 BatSteve play with us!
04:40 LemPhone heh, mebe
04:40 Katemonster cooooome plaaaaaay wiiiiiith uuuuuuus
04:40 LemPhone got other things on my plate atm
04:41 LemPhone what race are you guys?
04:41 minifig404 LemPhone: There's always something else to do.
04:41 Katemonster ALWAYS.
04:41 Katemonster and Minmatar.
04:41 Katemonster me anyway
04:41 Katemonster i'm just getting into the game now though
04:42 torpid minifig404, what you describe reminds me in many ways of i2p
04:42 LemPhone gah, sifn't Gallente!
04:42 Nekoroms people plays eve here.. omg
04:42 minifig404 i2p is closer to TOR.
04:43 Katemonster people play EVE everywhere.
04:43 LemPhone gah, wish this train would hurry up
04:43 lwq_laptop lol we eat chickens periods (eggs)
04:43 minifig404 torpid: Secure communication is useful, but mostly unnecessary.
04:43 torpid oops, i met freenet.
04:44 torpid meant*
04:44 LemPhone for game patches for an MMO security is key
04:44 LemPhone because otherwise people can cheat
04:44 minifig404 LemPhone: What, do you want me to whip out the One-Time Pad?
04:44 LemPhone no
04:44 minifig404 Good.
04:44 LemPhone rsa is enough
04:45 torpid but to facilitate any sort of meaningful rpg with other players, in a distributed system public key cryptography is paramount to verify people are who they say they are.
04:46 minifig404 Sure, so you apply signatures to most packets. That's easy.
04:46 torpid well, that's what SSL is for.  I'm talking about application layer communication and the exchange of data objects, etc.
04:48 minifig404 torpid: What I was thinking is that the communications only describe changes applied to objects. whenever someone needs a bit of data, they ask for it from the network.
04:48 minifig404 Whatever the majority says is right is in fact correct.
04:49 Katemonster also true in politics.   ...right?
04:49 astro73|roam Katemonster: there's other ways of doing it
04:49 minifig404 Katemonster: Byzantine Fault Tolerance. All politicians are colluding, therefore you can't get anything done.
04:49 minifig404 </nerd>
04:49 astro73|roam nice
04:50 Katemonster LOL
04:51 torpid but a decentralized authority cannot be inherently secure.  even bitcoin has been subject to weaknesses.
04:51 LemPhone most of the weaknesses have been human
04:52 minifig404 In case people are too lazy to google, Byzantine Fault Tolerance refers to the Byzantine Generals Problem, where a set of military generals are trying to coordinate an attack, but the messengers and other generals might be spies for the enemy. You can only successfully attack if 2/3 or more of the generals agree.
04:52 minifig404 torpid: Absolutely. If more than 1/3 of the players are colluding and capable of breaking protocol, then no system can succeed.
04:52 astro73|roam torpid: authority on what?
04:53 minifig404 s/decentralized authority/distributed datastore
04:53 astro73|roam also, you employ traditional methods of cheating
04:53 astro73|roam tradtional methods of detecting cheating
04:53 torpid minifig404, you said it better than I could.
04:54 astro73|roam he gave it numbers
04:54 minifig404 I've been researching for a couple months.
04:54 minifig404 Turns out, there's some interesting papers out there.
04:54 torpid the only other problem is scalability and, if we're putting this into a gaming context, playability.
04:55 minifig404 Indeed. Some form of caching will be required; both MPC and cloning are just too laggy to rely on.
04:56 minifig404 That's just one reason why privacy isn't encouraged in a distributed MMO.
04:56 minifig404 (the main other one is that it makes the code more difficult and slower)
04:57 minifig404 torpid: To go back quite a bit, on the surface, Freenet does have capabilities that would be useful, but I'm not sure if their implementation is helpful.
05:00 minifig404 Any other questions/comments/concerns/fears/anxieties?
05:00 BatSteve Just interest.
05:00 BatSteve Sounds cool
05:00 BatSteve Keep us posted
05:01 torpid i keep thinking of himachi and what it did for peer to peer vpn's for lan games.  If a peer to peer vpn network is defined and divided into "areas" of a world and there were be a seamless way to hand-off to other areas (vpns), that might be the most scalable.
05:01 torpid hamachi*
05:01 Katemonster i have lots of concerns, fears, and anxieties, but they fortunately don't have anything to do with whatever the hell you're talking about.
05:01 minifig404 Katemonster: Good. I'm not sure my social skills are comparable to a therapist's.
05:02 Katemonster :D
05:02 minifig404 torpid: Something similar was in the back of my head too, but I think for V1, I will assume that everyone is directly connected.
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05:03 torpid that's the best place to start!
05:04 minifig404 Hey, it's a more reasonable assumption that assuming everyone is directly connected via quantum entanglement.
05:04 lwq_laptop if i take the battery out and decharge the caps. can i wash my laptop?
05:04 torpid lol true
05:04 astro73|roam that's some awesome latency
05:04 astro73|roam lwq_laptop: probably not, some of the components will physically not like it
05:05 astro73|roam and you have to REALLY make sure it's dry before powering it
05:05 wannabe1987 ...
05:05 lwq_laptop what if i take the drives out?
05:05 wannabe1987 why can't i have things that work?!
05:05 wannabe1987 here, make it be not a computer, then wash it.
05:05 lwq_laptop because you buy cheap :P
05:05 wannabe1987 thats the thing.
05:05 wannabe1987 i don't even buy most of it
05:06 * Katemonster facepalm
05:06 minifig404 lwq_laptop: Only if you wash it via soaking in water; let it sit in a warm, dry room for > 24 hours; and don't sue me if I'm wrong.
05:06 lwq_laptop lol
05:06 astro73|roam for keyboards, i've heard a week
05:06 astro73|roam for a laptop? longer
05:07 lwq_laptop yeah i knew it would be a long time to make sure all the water evaporated
05:07 minifig404 But yes, technically you can theoretically do it.
05:07 lwq_laptop theoretically yes. probalisticly no
05:08 minifig404 I still don't know which parts of a computer are likely to rust.
05:08 lwq_laptop anything metal not rust risistant
05:09 astro73|roam somehow, i have doubts many computer components are treated that way
05:09 minifig404 astro73|roam: Anything aluminum is mostly safe.
05:09 minifig404 Copper, on the other hand....
05:09 Katemonster anything not-steel is mostly safe re: water exposure
05:10 Katemonster i think
05:10 minifig404 Katemonster: I thought copper rusted?
05:10 astro73|roam it will
05:10 astro73|roam but there is very little exposed copper?
05:10 minifig404 You're not thinking about heatsinks and heat pipes.
05:11 Katemonster i think copper just oxidized on contact with air, and turns statue-of-liberty-green
05:11 minifig404 Admittedly, heatsinks are frequently made out of not-copper.
05:11 Katemonster given enough time
05:11 Katemonster heatsinks are mostly copper, cheap heatsinks are mostly aluminium
05:11 minifig404 (excuse me while I got outside and dig myself some not-copper (not) )
05:12 minifig404 *go
05:12 Katemonster hah
05:12 Katemonster but water and copper shouldn't be a problem, is that's what the majority of indoor plumbing in the US is made of
05:13 Katemonster soldered copper pipe
05:13 minifig404 OK.
05:13 Katemonster on a related note, i HATE soldering copper pipe.  >.<
05:14 Katemonster bigger problem (in the world of plumbing anyway) is galvanic corrosion; different metals leeching off of each other.  i can never remember what kinds of pipe you're never supposed to use together though
05:15 Katemonster something like, never put copper and steel directly together, always use a brass fitting between them, otherwise in a short time you'll have a leak due to corrosion
05:16 minifig404 http://www.roymech.co.uk/images/corrosion.gif
05:16 Katemonster i'd click on it if i weren't in game.
05:17 minifig404 tl;dr: The only safe metals are Nickel-Chrome-Mo Alloys, Titanium, Silver, Graphite, Gold, and Platinum.
05:18 Katemonster sounds right to me
05:18 Katemonster aluminium doesn't rust on a technicality that it isn't corroded by water, but it is by mercury
05:19 Katemonster which results in people in WWII apparently sneaking behind enemy lines and spreading mercury on the wing-roots of enemy aircraft.
05:20 astro73|roam actually, it does rust
05:20 astro73|roam but aluminum oxide is really hard stuff
05:20 minifig404 Oh, historical wars.... So much shenaniganry that doesn't seem to happen today...
05:20 astro73|roam mercury prevents proper formation, though
05:21 astro73|roam aluminum reacts really quickly with oxygen
05:21 astro73|roam i think that's why aluminum is such a pain to weld
05:21 lwq_laptop if its not think aluminum its a fucking hell to weld because it blows holes
05:22 Katemonster i vageuly remember learning that in aviation sheet metal class
05:33 wannabe1987 why can't i have nice things?!
05:36 Katemonster because nice things cost lots of money and you don't have people to pay for them for you like Chris does.
05:36 BatSteve True fact.
05:37 BatSteve Time for oreos and milk.  And then bed.
05:39 astro73|roam that's is an excellent plan. i should use it myself
05:41 BatSteve do so!
05:41 BatSteve I highly recommend it.
05:41 astro73|roam i lack oreos
05:41 BatSteve acquire them
05:42 BatSteve goodnight!
05:42 astro73|roam that sounds like $
05:42 minifig404 astro73|roam: I recommend 3D food printing
05:42 astro73|roam repicator?
05:43 minifig404 Doesn't that need a food item to start with?
05:46 lwq_laptop RAWR APPLE STORE AND THEIR FUCKING UPDATES
06:03 wannabe1987 astro73, i lack oreos, but i have thin mints
06:04 astro73|roam do they go with milk?
06:04 wannabe1987 i think so
06:04 wannabe1987 i don't drink milk much more, so idk
06:08 wannabe1987 http://www.googleartproject.com/
06:08 BotSteve Title: Google Art Project
06:09 lwq_laptop funny as shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A8bb9qHhHw
06:09 BotSteve Title: Mr. McFeely's Purple Panda Scares Bejesus Out of Kids - YouTube
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06:12 einball g'morning
06:12 Seroster Ello
06:12 minifig404 Goodbye all.
06:12 lwq_laptop hhrlisa just put this on facebook http://satwcomic.com/art/Women-s-Rights.jpg
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06:13 wannabe1987 morning
06:13 Seroster satw <3
06:14 astro73|roam nice
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06:14 lwq_laptop anyone watch bomb patrol: afgahnistan?
06:15 Seroster wannabe1987, what I sent to steve (batsteve) http://satwcomic.com/geography-joke
06:15 BotSteve Title: Geography Joke - Scandinavia and the World
06:15 lwq_laptop lol
06:16 lwq_laptop FUCK YOU APPLE STORE
06:16 wannabe1987 nice
06:17 wannabe1987 satw <3 as well.  they're funny most of the time
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06:18 LemEdge mmm, bored bored bored
06:19 LemEdge knew I should have bought my backpack and laptop today
06:19 einball ^^
06:19 LemEdge I came into the city too late to get home on the train with my bike
06:19 LemEdge now I either have to ride home 12km, or wait two hours...
06:20 LemEdge killing some time at the edge, but I might end up riding home
06:20 LemEdge although... there is really good coffee here...
06:20 LemEdge so killing time here isn't TOO painful :-P
06:20 lwq_laptop send me some?
06:21 LemEdge I would if I could lwq_laptop, methinks the cup would be a bit stale and empty by the time it got there
06:21 lwq_laptop lol
06:22 lwq_laptop i hate stale coffee
06:22 lwq_laptop i can only make 1 cup at a time. because it goes stale before i drink it
06:23 LemEdge my coffee maker only makes one cup at a time
06:23 LemEdge of course my coffee "cup" holds about 600ml
06:23 LemEdge about a pint
06:24 Damianz I use to drink coffee out of a pint glass... until we bought real cups for the office.
06:24 LemEdge eh, this is a quite nice white porcelain mug
06:25 LemEdge cost me a whole $6 and I've had it for about 3 or 4 years now
06:25 Damianz You can't beat a decent mug
06:25 LemEdge mug + Stovetop expresso maker == all this geek needs
06:25 lwq_laptop lol
06:26 LemEdge I just have to be careful how much I drink, otherwise I get wicked caffeine withdrawal headaches
06:26 Damianz I should put the coffee one, just debating if the coffee from last week is ok or if I should find my spare bag
06:26 lwq_laptop i like my little coffee maker. i take it on vacation with me
06:26 LemEdge I had a DOOZY of a one the other night
06:26 LemEdge my only silly fault
06:26 LemEdge own*
06:26 lwq_laptop i crash bad when i dont have my coffe
06:26 lwq_laptop coffee*
06:26 Damianz Yeah, drinking ground coffee all day is rather adictive, thankfully it can be suplimented with mtn dew and redbull :D
06:27 LemEdge Damianz: I buy mine fresh from a roaster, and keep it in a vacuum seal tin
06:27 lwq_laptop durring band camp i would take a big thermos full of coffee. it would be done within and hour
06:27 lwq_laptop atleast i made the band room smell of coffee
06:27 LemEdge I normally go through about 400g in about a week, mebe two at most
06:27 LemEdge lol
06:27 lwq_laptop this girl hated me for it
06:27 LemEdge heh
06:28 LemEdge my mum HATES the smell of coffee, when I was last living there if I was making coffee she would leave the kitchen, if not the upper level of the house immediately, twas amusing
06:28 lwq_laptop one thing i have to get everytime i go to the big city is a caramel frape from mcD's
06:28 Damianz Coffee is the best smell ever :D
06:28 LemEdge bleh, fsck that
06:28 lwq_laptop i love them. love love love
06:28 LemEdge McD's make the worst coffee, about the only worse place is Starbucks!
06:29 Damianz I'm rather a fan of peach tea now, massive caramel fan but sometimes it's just a bit too much early in the morning.
06:29 lwq_laptop i only like the frape's their regular coffee sucks
06:29 lwq_laptop i like it black and they make it yucky
06:32 Damianz Most places just taste like water, when you choose to not pollute your cup it actually has to taste of coffee.
06:32 lwq_laptop i love coffee. the smell just wakes me up in the morning
06:34 lwq_laptop i dont like it scalding hot though. while it cools down a bit i put my face in the cup and just inhale
06:34 Damianz I wonder if they do coffee ejuice, that would be the most awesome thing ever
06:34 lwq_laptop yes they do
06:35 lwq_laptop just go to juice blaster
06:35 wannabe1987 juice blaster isn't the best site
06:35 wannabe1987 do a google search for <flavor> ejuice
06:36 wannabe1987 if someone wants to send cherry (non menthol) to the lab,....
06:36 wannabe1987 that'd be good :P
06:36 LemEdge there was another site that boden was talking about in one of the recent blogs
06:36 LemEdge perhaps check that out?
06:37 Damianz Yeah I heard him mention one the other day, short term memory fail though.
06:37 * LemEdge nods
06:37 Seroster Damianz, You can make your own coffee ejuice.
06:37 LemEdge I heard him mention it, but I don't smoke or use an ecig, so it was just a note of interest
06:37 Damianz That's a lot of effort for someone who doesn't smoke all that much though :P
06:38 Seroster Yep.
06:38 Seroster I never said it would be practical ;P
06:39 lwq_laptop i used to smoke. i dont even vap. hell i barley chew. i got a can that is like 3months old
06:39 Damianz I'm just quite attached to my lungs for some bizzare reason so probably should figure alternatives and ecig/juice seems like an awesome idea.
06:39 LemEdge grrr, fricking hobbyking
06:39 wannabe1987 lol
06:39 LemEdge trying to find out when they might have the Durafly Zephyr in stock, and cannot get an answer from them
06:39 wannabe1987 aattached to your lungs LOL
06:40 lwq_laptop anyone ever smoke weed?
06:40 wannabe1987 no comment
06:40 Damianz Only with my weed burner.
06:40 Seroster Anyway. Cya.
06:40 Seroster lwq_laptop, That would be a question for another room.
06:40 wannabe1987 mhm
06:41 Seroster I.E not the kind of discussions that should be kept in here. Discussing illegal drugs is hardly what they meant when they told us to clean up this room.
06:41 Damianz Well it's one way to get rid of the statsh.
06:42 Seroster Anyway, cya folks. I'm off to shcool (börk)
06:42 LemEdge lwq_laptop: lots of times, but haven't done it about a year
06:42 LemEdge and it was a couple of years before that
06:42 LemEdge back in about 2003/2004 I smoked a lot of it, then I got over it and it wasn't as much fun anymore
06:43 Damianz It's when you try and run up a hill and find your lungs don't appreciate their contents anymore ;(
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06:44 lwq_laptop HIGHMAN GO TO FUCKING BED! :P
06:44 LemEdge .t tgg
06:44 BotSteve Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:44:31 TGG
06:44 LemEdge HighMan: listen to your father, he know's what he is saying
06:44 Damianz 2am is like lunchtime
06:45 LemEdge yeah, for me definitely
06:45 LemEdge because I have to stay up late all the time to talk to people in the USA for this board I am developing
06:45 Damianz Yeah it rather sucks having team members -8hours from you :(
06:47 LemEdge not so much team members, just people I am trying to convince the board is worth getting
06:47 LemEdge and for me it's plus 8 hours most of the time
06:47 LemEdge .t AEST
06:47 BotSteve Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:47:31 AEST
06:47 LemEdge ^ me
06:50 Damianz wow that's late
06:50 Damianz At least I'm gmt
06:50 LemEdge anways, heading off now. Might be on from my phone in a bit. Later all.
06:53 lwq_laptop im heading to bed. night all
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06:54 Seroster Ello.
06:55 wannabe1987 wb
06:55 lwq_laptop bye bye
06:55 Seroster-school I'm actually IN school...
06:56 wannabe1987 time to sleep
06:57 lwq_laptop learning?
06:57 lwq_laptop not just watching little kids?
06:58 lwq_laptop well bed it is.
06:58 lwq_laptop night guys
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07:06 Seroster Börk:
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07:27 Electricguy honk
07:30 Electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpfqZYSGSQ&amp;list=FLILw-C8ptzspdz35L9HBvIg&amp;index=3&amp;feature=plpp_video
07:30 Electricguy :3
07:30 BotSteve Title: TECHNOBOY MEETS RUFFIAN 'The Undersound' (Audiofreq Remix) - YouTube
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07:44 einball uhm ... yeah .. "buildroot for beginners" ... blblbl
07:44 einball brainfuck^3
07:47 Electricguy kitteh win! http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534788_149041465223877_137962996331724_166807_1726024375_n.jpg
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08:08 * Electricguy installs XP SP2 on a laptop..
08:08 Electricguy for a very specific purpose
08:11 Hackbat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4wKY8PJtg&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G24b2b9bFUAAAAAAACAA
08:11 BotSteve Title: Playing with Lava - Dumb and Dangerous? - YouTube
08:11 Hackbat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSwvmNEr0Q&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G28ae71dFUAAAAAAAQAA
08:11 BotSteve Title: Making Pop Rocks candy at home - YouTube
08:11 Hackbat Best thing out of youtube today
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08:21 Experimentonomen g'day peeeeeppppzz
08:22 Hackbat ello
08:22 Hackbat wanna see someone scientidfically try to make poprocks at home/
08:22 Hackbat It's cold to it's hard to type >_<
08:23 Experimentonomen hm
08:23 Hackbat :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSwvmNEr0Q&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G28ae71dFUAAAAAAAQAA
08:23 BotSteve Title: Making Pop Rocks candy at home - YouTube
08:31 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4wKY8PJtg&amp;feature=g-all-u&amp;context=G28e6427FAAAAAAAAFAA <-- real life minecraft playing with lava :D
08:31 BotSteve Title: Playing with Lava - Dumb and Dangerous? - YouTube
08:34 Hackbat Ha
08:35 Hackbat You subscribe to jeri too?
08:36 Hackbat Hm?
08:36 Experimentonomen yes
08:39 Hackbat Hmmm
08:39 * Experimentonomen replaces Hackbat's capacitors
08:41 Hackbat I need something to display my FN functions on my laptop
08:41 Experimentonomen rtfm ;)
08:50 Seroster Today I have donenothing of value at all in class. teacher was ill.   Waste of time.
08:51 Damianz What did you poison the teacher with?
08:52 Sgt_Lemming evenink all
08:52 Sgt_Lemming http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-04-11.gif
08:52 Experimentonomen g'day lemmington
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10:07 * Experimentonomen plays loud music on the now tamed Osclifier
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10:50 Hackbat Just realised why I dislike Windows 8 Soooo much
10:50 Hackbat Everything is Far apart
10:51 Hackbat you waste time scrolling through giant icons
10:52 Thermoelectric I might stick to 7 for now in that case.
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10:54 tonsofpcs ctrl+- doesn''t change that?
10:55 tonsofpcs [or ctrl+scrollwheel]
10:55 lwq_laptop in browser ctrl - or ctrl + size the pages
10:56 lwq_laptop well i best be off
11:00 tonsofpcs too school for cool?
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12:10 * Experimentonomen is threading holes into a heetsink
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12:11 * Monkeh is wondering how the $*!$ he's going to fit nine resistors on this thing
12:11 Damianz magic
12:11 Electricguy yeyy! i just got my Arduino MEGA clone!
12:13 Electricguy cool
12:13 Electricguy it's almost green
12:13 * Damianz paints Electricguy stripy green and yellow
12:13 Electricguy exellent soldering job
12:14 Electricguy lol
12:19 Electricguy great! i can program it too
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12:24 eadthem_work anyone have any recommendations for some software that can analyse a computers useage
12:24 eadthem_work ie  hdd cpu and network useage?
12:24 eadthem_work its windows xp pro
12:26 BitViper Monkeh : run the resistors through stomper to shrink them :)
12:29 Electricguy oh neat. this MEGA clone got the atmel chip port numbers printed on the bottom
12:33 Electricguy pin numbers*
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12:48 eadthem_work just using the system graphs that come with xp
12:49 eadthem_work seams to be doing better than i rememberd
12:49 eadthem_work cya
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12:58 * Experimentonomen jnust got a sms from his ISP that hes used up over 90% of this months 30GB usage ceiling they imposed on him at the beginning of this month :(
13:01 SparkyProjects And no chance to extend the limit ?
13:05 Experimentonomen nope
13:06 Experimentonomen theres one called broadband XL with a ceiling of 80GB
13:06 angy go punch your ISP
13:06 Experimentonomen tele2 can suck my near nonexistant dick :/
13:08 Experimentonomen prollem is this is the cheapest connection i can get that has enuf speed to handle the kinda stuff i do on the net, and its already at the limit of what my budget allows
13:09 Experimentonomen the cheapest landline is atleast twice the price, and that excludes the fee the phone company want for using their copper
13:10 angy start your own broadband compagny :p
13:10 Experimentonomen impossible
13:10 Experimentonomen even tele2 has to pay someone huge amounts of money for using their 3G network
13:11 angy welcome to MVNO world
13:11 Experimentonomen which in turn has to pay prolly the phone company for using this hardware to host the 3G network
13:12 Experimentonomen and im willing to bet these usage ceilings are purely to discourage pirating of copyrighted material
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13:13 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon sash
13:14 Experimentonomen bah
13:14 angy that or not wanting to upgrade core network
13:17 Experimentonomen im suprised these usafe ceilings havent ben added to the landlines too
13:18 Experimentonomen but i wouldent be suprised if that happens in the next 8 months
13:18 SparkyProjects Just checked my usage, my account is unlimited, i've used 79.6Gb this month
13:19 SparkyProjects heh, my avverage use is 206.49Gb per month
13:20 angy let's not talk about average usage :)
13:20 SparkyProjects I didn't think i do a lot, though i suppose i watch a fair amount of yt, and some online tv
13:20 Experimentonomen i've used 24GB this month
13:22 angy I don't even want to go check how much did I use this month
13:22 Experimentonomen and man this simulation of this NMOS amp really discourages me to bother with it, the simulation is horrible, absolute minimum THD i can get to at 20kHz is 0.4% :/
13:30 NeWtoz InOutTotal
13:30 NeWtoz Apr 201299.67 GB2.87 GB102.55 GB
13:31 NeWtoz I'm on pace to pass my average
13:32 NeWtoz probably because I got my HTPC back online
13:33 NeWtoz but regardless, sleep time
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13:37 mashpriborintorg hyia
13:38 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon mash
13:39 * Experimentonomen is eatin chocolate plywood
13:40 mashpriborintorg bored on a day off, waiting for arduino shields kits that takes centuries to de delivered
13:40 mashpriborintorg *be
13:41 Experimentonomen and im frustrated with a amp cir cuz simulation sez its crap, yet most ppl using mosfets prefer it
13:45 Seroster Börk.
13:45 Seroster Hello SparkyProjects
13:45 * angy fondles Seroster
13:45 Seroster I missed  you too angy
13:45 SparkyProjects Hi, did you read my reply on your vid ?
13:46 Sgt_Lemming bleh, tired lemming
13:46 Seroster about to
13:46 Seroster Are you allseing?
13:46 SparkyProjects oops :P yeah
13:47 Seroster I set the gap to the point that when I exhale on it the increased moisture in the air causes it to short.
13:48 SparkyProjects You want the gap to just about self start with no load (disconnect cap and coil)
13:48 Seroster http://www.altair.org/pix/TC_1_s.gif that is the circuit I use more or less
13:49 Seroster I.E caps in series with primary and spark gap between NST secondary outputs
13:50 SparkyProjects For some reason that page won't display
13:50 SparkyProjects This is what i use, but i don't use the safety gap any more, (causes problems)
13:50 SparkyProjects https://sites.google.com/site/sparkysprojects/tesla-circuit
13:50 BotSteve Title: Tesla Circuit - Sparky's Project Pages
13:50 Seroster Yeah, that one
13:50 Seroster Could I instead of grounding the secondary just wire it to a coat hanger that is close to the topload?
13:51 SparkyProjects According to teslamap, tuning should be 1-2 turns
13:51 Seroster Let's try 1.5 then =D
13:51 angy be careful not to damage your liver!
13:52 Seroster HA
13:52 Seroster AWESOME
13:52 Seroster http://www.rmcybernetics.com/images/main/eng/tc-pg-new.jpg
13:52 Seroster http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/plasma-gun.htm
13:52 BotSteve Title: RMCybernetics - DIY Homemade Mini Plasma Gun
13:53 SparkyProjects You should ground the secondary, at a push you could use that radiator behind the coil
13:53 SparkyProjects But also connect a 'rod' and support it near the topload, check the arc and see how far away it can be, adjust tuning a little (1/4 turn at a time) and see if you can max out the distance
13:56 Seroster But do I HAVE to ground the secondary?
13:57 Seroster As I understand it it should work as a regular transformer, with two leads in (u1) and two leads out (u2)?
14:01 Seroster Btw, SparkyProjects, I DO use proper 50kv wires =)
14:02 SparkyProjects Grounding the secondary is recommended to reduce interference, and to help propagate corona and arcs
14:02 SparkyProjects The top load is one plate of a capacitor, the earth is the other plate
14:03 SparkyProjects A low current 50KV wire is very thin, it's the isolation from other conductive parts that's important
14:03 SparkyProjects Thing of the 132KV overheadss,s no insulation, just isolation
14:03 SparkyProjects *think
14:04 Sgt_Lemming there is insulation, it's called air :-P
14:04 SparkyProjects My bipolar coil doesn't have a groung on the secondary as both 'plates' are in constant position that arcing occurs
14:05 Damianz Air conducts stuff though!
14:05 Sgt_Lemming no, it doesn't
14:05 SparkyProjects I know, but i meant in the sense of PVC etc
14:05 Sgt_Lemming air is an insulator
14:05 Sgt_Lemming ionized air is a conductor, but has a habit of floating away very quickly
14:06 SparkyProjects Seroster is using normal house wiring for his TC
14:06 Seroster Nope
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14:06 Seroster 50kv TV flyback wire
14:06 SparkyProjects ah
14:07 Seroster All the red wires are 50kvish
14:07 SparkyProjects Not sure if the conductor is rated for the  current without too many losses
14:07 Seroster Meh =P
14:07 SparkyProjects I use car jumper cables :P
14:08 Seroster They are even thinner damn it =P
14:08 Seroster This is .8mm dia wire, that would be like 18gauge, and it's copper core
14:09 SparkyProjects Battery jumper cables are thicker than tv flyback
14:09 Seroster Tsk. =P
14:14 Seroster SparkyProjects, So... 5mm, which is a tad more than the 4mm I'd suspect.
14:15 SparkyProjects ?
14:15 Seroster Sometimes it spontaneously jumps, sometimes it doesn't.  Might have something to do with the alignment of jupiter and the sun...
14:18 SparkyProjects That might be a tuning thing, if you think of the AC wave, you want the gap to arc at the top of the wave to give you the most power, if the gap is too wide, you are trying to arc over the top, and would get spurious peaks
14:18 SparkyProjects That's to do with setting of the gap
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14:19 SparkyProjects Set it like i said so it just about arc by itself without a load
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14:22 SparkyProjects Also, how easy would it be to raise the primary off the base ?
14:22 SparkyProjects Just 4 strips of dry wood in a cross will work, try to get the secondary about level with the start of the secondary winding, you may get better coupling
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14:28 lwq1996 hi
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14:29 epictang0 morning
14:38 lwq1996 im actually doing my work today!
14:43 astro73|roam nowai
14:43 astro73|roam work?
14:43 angy that may be why I did not do any today myself
14:44 Sgt_Lemming .tfwc brisbane
14:44 BotSteve 15 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Brisbane, AS!  'I've seen better days'
14:44 Experimentonomen .tfwc harnosand
14:44 BotSteve 3 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING COLD IN Harnosand, SW!  'Your source of crude weather!'
14:45 epictang0 .tfwc detroit
14:45 BotSteve 6 degrees C?! ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT IN Detroit, MI!  'I've seen better days'
14:46 lwq1996 done with class work! time to screw off on the internet!
14:46 lwq1996 hey angy do you like bukkake?
14:47 lwq1996 .tfw 16656
14:47 BotSteve 37 degrees F?! ITS FUCKING COLD AND WET IN Irvona, PA!  'Where's the cat? Oh shit. Fluffy's frozen.'
14:47 angy that's way too nfsw to be answered here
14:48 JA12 he doesn't live in nagasaki so changes are that no he doesn't
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14:49 lwq1996 ok, they want use to clean up the channel right with the swearing? botsteve swears! he says fuck... so i can say fuck :P
14:49 lwq1996 damn school blocked youtube :/
14:49 epictang0 lol
14:49 epictang0 lwq1996: proxy
14:50 Experimentonomen school should REALLY block irc!!!!!
14:50 lwq1996 nope. the last time i did that i got yelled at
14:50 lwq1996 why?
14:50 lwq1996 i dont have work to do...
14:50 Experimentonomen lies
14:51 Experimentonomen if u dident have work to do, u'd be home
14:51 lwq1996 no litterally i have no work to do in this class as of now
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14:51 Experimentonomen u mean u dont want anything to do with the work thats been assigned to your class
14:52 Experimentonomen GET OFF IRC and do the school work your expected to do!!!
14:52 epictang0 so apparently if clear blocks your internet access, you can proxy across port 53 and get access...
14:52 epictang0 lol
14:52 epictang0 ftw
14:52 lwq1996 I DID ALL THE FUCKING WORK I WAS EXPECTED TO DO. the teacher even said "when you get done, get on the internet and dont bug me"
14:52 astro73|roam lol
14:53 astro73|roam in highschool, that's entirely possible
14:53 epictang0 walled garden fail
14:53 astro73|roam if it was college, you can make the argument that he should work ahead
14:53 lwq1996 hey i can proxy if i want, i choose not too
14:54 lwq1996 i how no further instructions. there is really only like 5min in class this period
14:54 lwq1996 i only get on when i dont have work. yesterday you didnt see me in here talking. sure i may have my computer at home one the irc and team viewer on but i wasnt talking
14:55 lwq1996 so basicly you cant tell me what and what-not to do. because i was given permission from the teacher to get on anything thats not blocked
14:56 angy let's find you non-blocked p0rn then
14:56 Seroster There...
14:57 lwq1996 yes im being bitchy and pissy today... i was so pissed off today on the bus i got a nose bleed and at school i got one. so i had to calm down and i havent any again
14:57 lwq1996 angy no porn
14:59 lwq1996 just /cleared so no one sees that >.>
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15:00 lwq1996 ok bell rang, logging off
15:01 Seroster ... Kids...
15:01 epictang0 lol
15:02 epictang0 no respect for elders
15:02 astro73|roam with these elders?
15:02 Electricguy i need 16 thermistors..
15:02 Electricguy or at least 8
15:03 astro73|roam that sounds like a lot
15:03 Electricguy yes
15:03 epictang0 chilling with the child today...i just decided i dont like 'Sid the Science Kid'
15:03 astro73|roam bill nye was way better
15:04 astro73|roam i don't even know who this "sid" is
15:04 astro73|roam i know he can't top the bill
15:04 astro73|roam .g sid the science kid
15:04 BotSteve astro73|roam: http://pbskids.org/sid/
15:04 astro73|roam oh god
15:04 epictang0 it is a stupid cartoon...the kid carries this microphone like his is an MC of life
15:05 astro73|roam wtf
15:05 astro73|roam the flash scares me
15:05 epictang0 yeah...the kid likes it...got mad at me when i changed it
15:05 astro73|roam there must be a torrent of bill nye
15:06 mashpriborintorg Chris video: http://www.wzzm13.com/video/1554219402001/971195282001/Mobile-devices-vulnerable-to-attack
15:06 BotSteve Title: Mobile devices vulnerable to attack | Video | wzzm13.com
15:09 astro73|roam everything is vulnerable to attack
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15:10 astro73|roam everybody's got their phone....
15:10 mashpriborintorg screwdrivers attacks remain my favorites :p
15:10 astro73|roam mashpriborintorg: what now?
15:10 astro73|roam you mean taking a screwdriver to a phone?
15:12 mashpriborintorg well... it's true they are pretty boring to take apart, always the same stuff
15:12 astro73|roam screen, PCB, battery, keypad....
15:13 SparkyProjects One day a phone will be just one big chip, a display, and some buttons
15:14 astro73|roam it's pretty close
15:14 mashpriborintorg single use, throw away phones :p
15:15 epictang0 woot...att rep just dropped me tickets to aziz ansari
15:15 mashpriborintorg when you see the lifespan of nowadays digital cameras, versus old film cameras... freaky. not  a progress.
15:17 mashpriborintorg same for TVs, stereos...
15:18 mashpriborintorg I the last flea market I did visit, i've seen dozens of low-end dvd players , available for a few coins :p
15:19 electricguy_ kapton tape = love
15:19 mashpriborintorg I've got plenty of kapton tape rolls :p
15:20 Electricguy i got one
15:21 Electricguy bought a pretty wide roll from DX
15:22 mashpriborintorg I found half a dozen ones in a flea market some years ago :p
15:22 Electricguy nice find :P
15:23 mashpriborintorg they were sold same price than regular parcel tape
15:23 Electricguy btw, my 16 channel analog input shield for my arduino MEGA is done :P
15:23 mashpriborintorg great, one more step to world domination
15:23 Electricguy lol
15:25 mashpriborintorg lol http://youtu.be/dJxj1mou03M
15:25 BotSteve Title: Titanic SUPER 3D - YouTube
15:28 Experimentonomen omg tapping holes is boring -,-
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15:35 Electricguy the analog input shield :) http://imgur.com/a/oUIcs
15:35 BotSteve Title: Arduino MEGA analog input shield - Imgur
15:36 mashpriborintorg hmmm good work, what will it be used for
15:36 Electricguy a 16 channel thermometer... XD
15:37 Electricguy or any other application that need lots of analog inputs
15:37 mashpriborintorg you don't need a 16 channel thermometer in normal domestic use XD
15:38 Electricguy dude. i'm a GEEK! what do you excpect? XD
15:39 mashpriborintorg use it for an automated cookie production device
15:40 Electricguy om nom nom! :D
16:04 * Experimentonomen makes stereo version of STE47N50 amp just to get a better picture of what it sounds like
16:06 SparkyProjects Hears chris on stream
16:06 SparkyProjects ah, there he is
16:06 mashpriborintorg yeah I was going to say it :p
16:07 SparkyProjects Hi Chris
16:07 mashpriborintorg btw the leds on this lolshield are piece of crap, I'll desolder them all and replace them
16:08 mashpriborintorg some leds have the dye not even centered :p 10mm white leds
16:15 Experimentonomen g'evening Chris Boden :D
16:19 Experimentonomen hm they hate us today :(
16:19 Electricguy GGR?
16:20 Experimentonomen they turned off the computer so they cant read the irc
16:20 Electricguy lol
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16:27 SparkyProjects Hi
16:29 GGR Afternoon all!
16:30 GGR Hi electricguy!
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16:30 Electricguy hey there GGR :)
16:31 CaptainNiobe lol... hey GGR... that you, mitch?
16:31 williamfr did you say you need some prog for the ram to do a ssd trick?
16:32 SparkyProjects williamfr: Chris isn't currently logged into irc
16:32 SparkyProjects I beleive he wants one ssd to be a RAM cache
16:32 GGR_Mitchell Yes it is, CaptainNiobe.
16:33 GGR_Mitchell Attempting to get logged into all the computers over here...
16:33 williamfr thnx sparky
16:33 CaptainNiobe lol... how many computers have you got to log into before you go on air?
16:34 Electricguy fail there GGR_Mitchell ... XD
16:35 Electricguy there we go :P
16:39 GGR_Mitchell Four, CaptainNiobe.
16:39 GGR_Mitchell ...quite a few.
16:39 GGR_Mitchell What was a fail, Electricguy?
16:40 Electricguy some song got hung up. like a very bad CD
16:40 Electricguy or maybe it's supposed to be like that?
16:40 Electricguy cause the song started to play afterwards
16:40 CaptainNiobe oh, eek... is going on air really that tough for the broadcasters? darn... makes me wonder what larger radio stations have to go through just to get on air...
16:42 GGR_Mitchell Electricguy: I am not on the board right now, it's fully automated until 12:50 p.m. EST... about to hop over there now. And, CaptainNiobe: I'm the only one in right now and because the newscast has a script there are a few more steps I have to go trhough to pull my script up, etc.
16:42 Electricguy ahh okey
16:43 CaptainNiobe don't misread the script and you're fine :P :D
16:43 egrsteve probably a few computers but the DJs only see one maybe 2 I would guess
16:45 GGR_Mitchell At the big radio stations here, there are 3-4... only one requires log-on. The others are for recordings and things like that... But as egrsteve knows... we have more computers than what we need up here! :)
16:45 GGR_Mitchell ...which forces me to log onto more computers that what I really need.
16:45 GGR_Mitchell But have too or the computer will crash and freeze! hahaha
16:46 CaptainNiobe LOL!!! NOT good for a live stream! :P
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16:49 egrsteve the sad part is even if one freezes the stream may still go down depending on which one
16:49 egrsteve as all those computers an no reducdancy
16:50 egrsteve to be honest that station could be run with one maybe 2 computers
16:50 egrsteve an on air system and a recording system
16:54 GGR_Mitchell Hey guys, I'm on the board now... about to go live in about 7 minutes. I am doing a live tease in 1 minute. I hope you'll tune in at 1:00 p.m. EST for the news!
16:58 GGR_Mitchell How many texts do you guys send in a month?
16:58 GGR_Mitchell I'm at a couple thousand---is that high or low?
16:59 egrsteve 0
16:59 egrsteve I don't text
16:59 CaptainNiobe practically none here mitch, i don't have many people to text... (but that's just me lol)
16:59 Mom_phone I don't text, I instant message
17:00 Mom_phone I love smart phones.
17:00 epictang0 depends on the content...work phone is at ~4000....personal is ~1500
17:01 epictang0 I get notified when techs login to routers, log off, content of config change, system status
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17:02 Bat-Mobile .seen katemonster
17:02 BotSteve Bat-Mobile: I last saw Katemonster 11.43 hours ago at 2012-04-11 05:36:18 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 17:02:14 UTC
17:03 CaptainNiobe being stuck in a golf's boot... oh, god, squishie... poor guy...
17:04 Bat-Mobile BotSteve: tell katemonster that batsteve regrets he will probably be unable to join her in EVE tonight. We'll see.
17:04 BotSteve Bat-Mobile: I'll pass that on when CSMonster is around.
17:05 GGR_Mitchell That's not too bad-- 4,000 is quite a bit epictang0
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17:05 GGR_Mitchell hehe
17:07 wannabe1987 ...
17:07 CaptainNiobe afternoon, wannabe :)
17:08 wannabe1987 hi
17:08 wannabe1987 whats up with older folks and not having wifi?!
17:09 egrsteve ok, time to go it class :(
17:09 * wannabe1987 needs a cable
17:09 wannabe1987 bye steve
17:09 * egrsteve returns to lurking as to not drive tgg|wannabe crazy
17:09 CaptainNiobe generally older people aren't so interested in tech... :) i don't have wifi active (might change though, depends how often elim wants to talk me to sleep :P)
17:11 mashpriborintorg my grandma did never understand that the city in Simcity 2000 was NOT a REAL city :p
17:12 SparkyProjects For my part, i just prefer to use a cable, it's faster, and i don't have to worry about anyone breaking into my network
17:12 mashpriborintorg so, crunching buildings was quite bad you see
17:12 CaptainNiobe HAHA! mashpriborintorg, show her simcity 4! LMFAO!!! :D
17:15 CaptainNiobe GGR_Mitchell: have a suggestion... when mentioning irc, it may well be prudent to mention it's on freenode, as there are many, many irc servers around the world... maybe something like, "or you can visit irc, that's #thegeekgroup on freenode" (might talk it over with someone?)
17:16 * Damianz throws a bunny at CaptainNiobe
17:16 CaptainNiobe ?
17:17 Mom_phone Good point captainniobe.
17:17 Damianz chocolate bunnies ftw and I'm bored watching perl compile
17:17 GGR_Mitchell Thanks for the suggestion, CaptainNiobe! I will run it up the chain of command. My show script is the same each time... just different news stories (same structure) and that part is a structured point which I'd have to run through Management on the change.
17:17 GGR_Mitchell I will do that after the show.
17:18 CaptainNiobe ahh, okay... lol... thankies... :)
17:18 CaptainNiobe and no worries, mitch, it's just, if i was listening to grr and didn't know about that, i'd get lost... lol...
17:20 Damianz Don't make too many holes in management when you run though them.
17:22 CaptainNiobe hehe... last thing we need is a mitch mccoy shaped hole in management, right? :P
17:22 GGR_Mitchell I'm not following the joke....
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17:22 epictang0 haha
17:23 CaptainNiobe mitch, you said: "...I'd have to run through Management on the change."
17:23 CaptainNiobe (3:20:24 AM) Damianz: Don't make too many holes in management when you run though them.
17:23 CaptainNiobe (3:22:16 AM) CaptainNiobe: hehe... last thing we need is a mitch mccoy shaped hole in management, right? :P
17:23 CaptainNiobe :P
17:23 GGR_Mitchell National WX coming up at :40.
17:23 GGR_Mitchell Gotcha.
17:23 GGR_Mitchell :30****
17:24 GGR_Mitchell I have a really good relationship with Management:)
17:24 Damianz Tmi
17:25 wannabe1987 i'm sure you do :P
17:26 wannabe1987 woo garage sales.  landlord is having one, i got to put my stuff out with it
17:26 GGR_Mitchell ...specifically in the radio departmen! he
17:26 wannabe1987 time to wash my hair and get ready for work
17:26 CaptainNiobe ok, has yourself a good day, wannabe :)
17:26 wannabe1987 i have a great relationship with management of the computer lab....
17:26 wannabe1987 ;)
17:27 CaptainNiobe HAHA! :P
17:27 wannabe1987 i ask him to make me a cable and he does....
17:28 Damianz You don't even have to sudo make me a cable?
17:29 wannabe1987 nope
17:30 wannabe1987 when i'm a girl, things are different....he does things :D
17:30 * Damianz wonders why ^.^
17:30 wannabe1987 having breasts is a good thing
17:31 * wannabe1987 shuts up
17:32 Damianz Everyone has breasts... though according to the captain CaptainNiobe has large than CaptainBoden breasts :P
17:32 * CaptainNiobe wonders if the "great relationship" wannabe is talking about is having a laugh now
17:32 Mom_phone Its an unspoken sudo.
17:32 CaptainNiobe hehe... Damianz, that would be because i'm a 31 year old woman... :P
17:33 Damianz That makes little difference to some people :P
17:35 CaptainNiobe just a fyi: if this convo is to go deeper, we put nsfw discussion into #TGG:NSFW
17:35 CaptainNiobe :)
17:37 wannabe1987 lol
17:37 wannabe1987 i'm hungry
17:42 * Damianz feeds wannabe1987 ChanServ
17:42 wannabe1987 o.O
17:42 GGR_Mitchell The show is almost over! Just one more block and I'm done! :)
17:42 Damianz Apparently services taste like chicken, as does everything else in the world
17:43 * CaptainNiobe attempts to omnomnom on ChanServ but can't get a mouthful
17:43 CaptainNiobe :(
17:43 wannabe1987 :/
17:43 * wannabe1987 has capri sun and crackers
17:43 GGR_Mitchell You know... I can't wait for the Cafe to open-- I'll just have to walk a few steps down and grab my Diet Coke! Hehe
17:44 wannabe1987 buy*  not grab
17:44 wannabe1987 or you could ask to have a mini fridge (we found one in the cafe) installed/plugged in upstairs....
17:44 CaptainNiobe mitch, pepsi max! :D
17:44 wannabe1987 or you could not be so lazy
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17:44 GGR_Mitchell I'd rather be lazy. And "grab" and "buy" to me are the same thing!
17:45 wannabe1987 ....
17:45 wannabe1987 ok
17:45 wannabe1987 i still want to work in the cafe
17:45 GGR_Mitchell How much sugar is in Pepsi Max? lol
17:45 Damianz Just leave your credit card on the table and grab as much as you want!
17:45 CaptainNiobe not much, afaik...
17:46 CaptainNiobe GGR_Mitchell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi_Max
17:46 CaptainNiobe "Pepsi Max is a low-calorie, sugar-free cola"
17:46 BotSteve Title: Pepsi Max - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:47 Damianz "Each 250ml serving contains 33% of your gda sugar" so after I finish the whole bottle I'm pretty much dead @ 132%
17:47 GGR_Mitchell Interesting stuff there.
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17:48 GGR_Mitchell Hi dbshortwave!
17:48 dbshortwave hi
17:48 wannabe1987 shit
17:48 wannabe1987 i'm going to be late
17:48 wannabe1987 gahhhhhh
17:48 CaptainNiobe different kind of sugar, i think, Damianz...
17:48 GGR_Mitchell How are you this afternoon dbshortwave?
17:48 dbshortwave too late you are late
17:48 dbshortwave not bad i spose
17:48 CaptainNiobe hey db :) *hugs*
17:49 GGR_Mitchell Well thanks for loggin' on today!
17:49 dbshortwave hiya CaptainNiobie
17:49 GGR_Mitchell I have about 10 minutes left in my show... a few texts to respond too... I'll talk to you guys in the next break.
17:49 dbshortwave ;]
17:49 Damianz Well 120g of sugar for 1 bottle of mtn dew still seems a lot
17:49 * CaptainNiobe is not impressed doorbell rang at 3:48am
17:49 dbshortwave x.x
17:49 GGR_Mitchell 3:48+doorbell=no
17:50 CaptainNiobe agreed lol
17:50 Damianz That just makes me think back to the video where Boden had spilt ejuice in his eye and a telemarketer rang up while he was talking to corey.
17:50 wannabe1987 sorry niobe....just wanted to say hi :P
17:51 CaptainNiobe hehe... possible q&a? "what was the most ridiculous time someone came to your front door?" :D
17:51 CaptainNiobe hi? :D
17:51 GGR_Mitchell My home is in a gated community so never! :)
17:52 epictang0 my house is gated...so never
17:52 CaptainNiobe lucky man... :) unless a gated community is less of a mid-high class thing than it is here...
17:52 wannabe1987 alright time to head out
17:52 wannabe1987 will log on on break
17:52 Nekoroms https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560744_3648335137849_1558568838_33104926_1866833080_n.jpg
17:52 Nekoroms enough ipad chargers ?
17:52 CaptainNiobe ok, have a good day wannabe... *hugs*
17:53 CaptainNiobe ... holy cow, Nekoroms...
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17:53 CaptainNiobe hey Ponko :)
17:53 Ponko hey :)
17:53 * Ponko hugs CaptainNiobe
17:53 dbshortwave people know better then to come tomy house any time after 10:00 pm... they will end up with a fry pan tothe forehead
17:54 * CaptainNiobe glomps Ponko in return
17:54 Ponko O_O
17:54 CaptainNiobe HAHA! good one, db! :D
17:54 Damianz I wonder what would happen if you electrified your fench betwean the hours of midnight and 8am
17:54 GGR_Mitchell It's good protection CaptainNiobe!
17:55 dbshortwave its been done ...
17:55 CaptainNiobe Damianz, you could get into a lot of legal trouble...
17:55 CaptainNiobe and GGR_Mitchell, i agree, but works best with guards too :P
17:56 Ponko dammit i miss my gf
17:56 CaptainNiobe lol... Ponko, you've been missing your gf since i've known you (except when she's there with you :P)
17:57 Ponko yeah but i miss her more NOW than then lol
17:57 Damianz Well if you put up a big sign saying 'this fench may be carrying 400 volts, don't touch it' and they touch it then it's their own damn stupid fault!
17:57 CaptainNiobe hehe...
17:57 CaptainNiobe law doesn't work quite like that, Damianz, unfortunately
17:57 Damianz It so should though :)
17:58 CaptainNiobe i think if you put a sign up saying it's electrified, then you can do it, but without a sign, it's a legal liability
17:58 GGR_Mitchell Well it is a complete gate around the entire community and you need a special card to get in! Guards would be nice however!
17:58 Damianz Laws that let burglars sue house owners if they injure themselves robbing you but don't let you carry guns are just insane.
17:58 SparkyProjects Electric fences usually have a guard fence at least on the outside
17:58 SparkyProjects Even on high security prisons there's a guard fence on both sides so people don't accidentally touch it, plus plenty of warnings
17:59 dbshortwave im going to go out and work on my jimmy to check the rear axel an scrape the trialer hitch socket
17:59 CaptainNiobe i know... it annoyed me when my parents had to cover upa  hole under their house when they were renovating due to that
17:59 CaptainNiobe have fun, db :)
17:59 Nekoroms jimmy sound completely something else than it is..
17:59 Nekoroms small suzuki..
17:59 Nekoroms +s
18:00 CaptainNiobe GGR_Mitchell: you gotta get on irc on your own account when you get home, you're fun to talk to :D
18:03 GGR_Mitchell Haha, thanks CaptainNiobe! I'll have to look into that! I keep pretty busy after leaving the station here, too!
18:04 CaptainNiobe ahh... that's ok, if you want to, i'm sure others wouldn't mind chatting with you either, outside of the show... :)
18:04 Damianz We should just have Cprossu sit and tell us random useless chunks of info all day :D
18:05 CaptainNiobe lol...
18:05 GGR_Mitchell I've been trying to get him to do that but he's so busy around here! Remember guys- you can always give me a call when you have show ideas. My direct line to the station is 616-719-0158.
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18:05 GGR_Mitchell That will not get you to the air board... it'll get you to my office. I'm always up to talk to people!!
18:06 CaptainNiobe or use irc :P
18:07 GGR_Mitchell To be honest with everyone- I'd rather have a face-to-face conversation that use text or e-mail lol
18:07 GGR_Mitchell Anyone else feel that way?
18:08 CaptainNiobe heh... impossible for me, mitch, unless you can do video calls on something like skype :P
18:08 Damianz Pay for the flight and you'll find out :P
18:08 Damianz Well actually flights aren't that bad, visas are a pita though :(
18:09 CaptainNiobe never tried to get one before...
18:09 GGR_Mitchell No-- like face-to-face or phone conversation
18:09 GGR_Mitchell I like hearing someones vocie! Not reading their text.
18:09 CaptainNiobe and i can't afford flights... i'm a disability pensioner... :(
18:09 GGR_Mitchell Easiest way put.
18:09 GGR_Mitchell I just finished taping my promo for tomorrows show so I'm done here at the live board so I'm heading back to my desk. I'll talk to everyone again tomorrow!
18:10 Damianz You like hearing voices? I'm sure they lock people up for that
18:10 CaptainNiobe ... gimme time to make a coffe and i'll give you a quick call, miitch, just to say hi... can't be for long though because i called SparkyProjects (in wales) last night for a bit...
18:11 Damianz <3 wales
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18:11 GGR_Mitchell Ha- you guys like twisting my words a bit here in the IRC, Damianz!
18:11 GGR_Mitchell Talk to you all tomorrow!
18:12 Damianz It's more funny that way :D
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18:14 CaptainNiobe hi mitch :P pcs go down?
18:16 Experimentonomen now two channels of the nmos amp is up and running
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18:32 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxHUjMt37ac
18:32 BotSteve Title: NMOS amp in stereo - YouTube
18:40 SparkyProjects I think they are starting the epic desk build, Gibroni has moved the cameras and lights, and Batman has just been measuring the computer
18:45 mashpriborintorg well, I need 130x 10mm led, diffused color, seems I will not find it under 35-40 euros
18:45 GGR We have nearly 7K tracks in our automation system now! Thanks for submitting them.
18:47 mashpriborintorg some are mine
18:47 exor674 Whee. I almost got runned over by a car... Wtf?
18:47 astro73|roam if anyone else has music to submit, let me or zozo know, and we'll make it happen
18:49 Experimentonomen exor674, u need to pay more attention :P
18:50 exor674 I was. It started moving well after I was in the intersection.
18:50 exor674 And yes, it was my turn.
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18:50 Experimentonomen idiot driver then
18:51 astro73|roam i need to spend some time digging into pyinput
18:52 astro73|roam probably need to write my own code generator from scratch
18:52 Experimentonomen this amp is weird, it simulates like shit but sounds pretty good
18:59 Electricguy hrrm... i got a password reset mail from Mojang.. IE. someone have tried to hack my ac
18:59 Electricguy acc*
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19:05 mantere they are about to assemble captains computer?
19:06 mantere oh there's already some parts in, i guess i was a bit late =P
19:11 HighMan lwHi all
19:11 Experimentonomen mantere, your way late :P
19:11 Experimentonomen their moving on to the desk atm :P
19:13 dbshortwave mk
19:13 dbshortwave back home
19:15 Experimentonomen greetings dbshortwave
19:16 dbshortwave Hi Experimentonomen
19:22 Experimentonomen sup?
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19:23 astro73|roam do you think our software will work better if i develop a seething hatred for it?
19:26 astro73|roam i feel like i'm doing this http://xkcd.com/303/ but replace compiling with "waiting on peoplesoft"
19:26 BotSteve Title: xkcd: Compiling
19:31 producerBillWork Watching numbers,,,, fun
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19:36 wannabe-work lol he quit cuz of me hahahah
19:36 wannabe-work hi CaptainNiobe
19:36 CaptainNiobe hey wannabe... wassup?
19:38 Mom_phone Hi wannabe.
19:42 egrsteve morning
19:43 CaptainNiobe morning egrsteve :)
19:43 * astro73|roam hugs wannabe
19:44 Electricguy now THIS is a well balanced engine! O_O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94kN47DDbrs&amp;feature=relmfu
19:44 BotSteve Title: VIDEO0051 - YouTube
19:45 wannabe-work not much....working.  easy shift thus far....i had 6 people, but they gave me some of michael's people because they are "no male caregivers" and he's a male....
19:46 CaptainNiobe you can't argue with the clients, unfortunately... part of caregiving is making them comfortable, so if they don't want male caregivers, you can either go with it, or upset them...
19:47 wannabe-work yep.  i don't mind it, they're easy people....mostly independant :D
19:47 CaptainNiobe that makes it easier :)
19:47 astro73|roam those are the best
19:48 wannabe-work mhm
19:48 astro73|roam i love users that i never hear from
19:48 wannabe-work lol
19:48 CaptainNiobe ?
19:48 Electricguy mohahaha! i have made a ghetto tablet PC with no touchscreen! :D
19:49 Electricguy IE. a laptop with the screen flipped the other way
19:50 Seroster ERR
19:50 Seroster '-'
19:51 Electricguy you may wonder why... Well, simply because i fucking WANTED TO! :D
19:51 Electricguy i'm thinking like a wallmount PC
19:51 Electricguy or a remote terminal for my server
19:51 Electricguy i need to build a wall holder for it first though
19:51 * CaptainNiobe wants master0fmonks to come home
19:51 Electricguy or a simple tablestand
19:52 CaptainNiobe ... damn... didn't work! :-\
19:54 wannabe-work ?
19:54 wannabe-work he's Mom_phone  now....
19:54 CaptainNiobe eg wanted to make a laptop into a tablet. it happened. i wanted monks to come home. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! :P
19:55 CaptainNiobe nvm... must be that stupid-tired stage... :-\
19:55 wannabe-work lol
19:55 wannabe-work poor niobe
19:56 CaptainNiobe meh... it's ok, i'll just keep my mouth shut lol :D
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19:57 TeslaMadness hi
19:57 CaptainNiobe hi TeslaMadness
19:58 Electricguy yo
19:58 TeslaMadness how aer you today
19:58 * Mom_phone casts detect mention.
19:58 CaptainNiobe tired here... lol...
19:58 TeslaMadness lol
19:58 TeslaMadness mee too...sore from acupuncture
19:58 astro73|roam i'm just tired, not enough sleep
19:59 TeslaMadness just checking on the geek group
19:59 CaptainNiobe ahh...  i'm tired because it's nearly 6am and i haven't been to bed lol
19:59 TeslaMadness XD
19:59 wannabe-work niobe thats your problem :P
19:59 GGR Did you miss Mitchell McCoy Today LIVE on The GGR at 1:00 p.m. EST? If so, you can re-listen to it! Mitchell McCoy Today will re-air at 5:00 p.m. EST on The GGR... that's in about one hour!
19:59 wannabe-work i'll be working
19:59 TeslaMadness any activity on the live stream
20:00 CaptainNiobe wannabe, bite meh! :P but then, your boy might get upset if you did :P
20:00 wannabe-work no, hes ok with it :P
20:00 CaptainNiobe LMFAO!!!
20:00 * Mom_phone raises an eyebrow.
20:00 wannabe-work if he were in here i'd ask him :P
20:00 TeslaMadness how do you do what mom phone did?
20:01 * Mom_phone gives captainniobe the spock eye.
20:01 wannabe-work you type /me <words>
20:01 CaptainNiobe it's an action command, type /me followed by your action
20:01 * CaptainNiobe glomps Mom_phone
20:01 * TeslaMadness ok that is like minecraft
20:01 * wannabe-work tells niobe and mom to go to :nsfw
20:01 * wannabe-work goes back to work....
20:02 TeslaMadness i want to visit tgg some time
20:02 wannabe-work bye
20:02 wannabe-work old people are calling me
20:02 wannabe-work you should, TeslaMadness !
20:02 TeslaMadness cya
20:02 CaptainNiobe wannabe, have fun, kaays? *hugs*
20:02 TeslaMadness wannabe: i live in california, that is why i havent
20:03 CaptainNiobe cali is a heck of a lot closer than australia is... :D
20:03 astro73|roam didn't stop oliver(sp?)
20:03 * TeslaMadness whihes to win a free trip to the geek group
20:03 TeslaMadness @captain lol
20:03 CaptainNiobe go by coach if possible?
20:04 TeslaMadness nah
20:04 TeslaMadness ill just fly sometime
20:04 TeslaMadness i have some trash 80s to bring
20:05 TeslaMadness and i want to show them my tesla coil
20:06 TeslaMadness it has been a work in progress, for 3 years
20:06 TeslaMadness and only puts out 1 foot sparks
20:07 CaptainNiobe i want one... a few of us at my local space are planning builds or already have one...
20:07 CaptainNiobe but nst's are a real pita to come by here
20:07 TeslaMadness they are fun....i have a vid for tgg, that they need to make
20:10 CaptainNiobe they need to make a lot of vids... lol... the problem is time...
20:13 Electricguy for the ones that missed it.. todays little project :) http://imgur.com/a/oUIcs
20:13 BotSteve Title: Arduino MEGA analog input shield - Imgur
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20:14 lwq_laptop .seen lwq_laptop
20:14 BotSteve lwq_laptop: I last saw lwq_laptop 0.00 hours ago at 2012-04-11 20:14:48 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 20:14:48 UTC
20:15 Mom_phone .spatula
20:22 * egrsteve needs to buy a good wire stripper to keep in his backpack
20:23 egrsteve )@#$%^&* school wire strippers
20:23 lwq_laptop lol, its got to be a nice 18dollar ratcheting one :P
20:24 * egrsteve has a good 30$ racheting one, a gadged one but not one in my bag
20:24 Monkeh egrsteve: http://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Industrial-2078300-Self-Adjusting-Stripper/dp/B000OQ21CA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1334175878&amp;sr=8-1
20:24 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Irwin Industrial Tools 2078300 8-Inch Self-Adjusting Wire Stripper with ProTouch Grips: Home Improvement
20:25 lwq_laptop good and trusted. they are vise grips after all
20:25 Monkeh egrsteve: There are cheaper ones too.
20:27 egrsteve Ihave these: http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=stripmaster_wire_stripper&amp;div=3&amp;l1=wire_strippers
20:27 BotSteve Title: Stripmaster® & Stripmaster® Lite Wire Strippers
20:27 Mom_phone Brands are less meaningful than you might think. I break vise grips all the time.
20:27 egrsteve and these http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=t-stripper&amp;div=3&amp;l1=wire_strippers
20:27 BotSteve Title: T®-Stripper Wire Strippers
20:28 egrsteve kline makes one just like the first link only costs more and minestrip 100s of wires a day at work and are still crazy sharp
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20:29 egrsteve needless to say I need to get a 2nd pair of the latter type
20:30 Monkeh egrsteve: Nah, they suck
20:31 egrsteve not when your stripping 18+ awg wire
20:31 Monkeh egrsteve: The ones I link are as easy to use for 30AWG as 12AWG.
20:32 egrsteve that may be but we all have our opinions
20:32 Monkeh Try them :P
20:32 egrsteve i have
20:34 egrsteve didn't like them
20:35 egrsteve they are ok for some types of wire but just tear  others
20:38 Electricguy awesome track :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH-gpuLwRkQ
20:38 BotSteve Title: Street fighter - Haze & S3RL - YouTube
20:49 Mom_phone To the home!
20:49 GGR MITCH HERE... GOING LIVE RIGHT NOW WITH TORNADO WARNING INFORMATION
20:51 astro73|roam where?
20:51 GGR Rusk County, Texas until 4:15 CDT. Torandos will start popping up everywhere right now... strong storms coming through.
20:57 CaptainNiobe wow mitch, makes me glad i called before all this... :)
20:57 lwq_laptop batseve is this you? http://www.damnlol.com/ok-scout-leader-calm-down-13951.html
20:57 BotSteve Title: OK Scout Leader, Calm Down! - Damn! LOL
20:58 GGR Haha! CaptainNiobe! :)
20:59 GGR Mitchell McCoy Today is re-airing right now... please tune in!
20:59 epictang0 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvardexam.pdf
20:59 epictang0 harvard entrance exam from 1869
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21:00 astro73|roam that is a lot of memorization
21:00 astro73|roam and latin/greek
21:03 GGR Apple is being sued. Find out why by tuning into GGR now.
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21:04 GGR_Mitchell Going back on-the-air with severe weather coverage. More tornado warnings being issued right now.
21:05 CaptainNiobe mitch, pm... when you aren't about to go on air though :P
21:05 Electricguy ok, bedtime. night all
21:06 CaptainNiobe goodnight eg, sleep well and sweet dreams :)
21:09 astro73|roam anyone know of a tool I can use to generate bindings for a C library? I want to replace swig so I can generate code that's lighter weight and more customizable
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21:12 CaptainNiobe GGR_Mitchell, this any help? if too busy trying to get stream, ignore) http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0155.html
21:12 BotSteve Title: Storm Prediction Center Tornado Watch 155
21:19 GGR_Mitchell Thanks for your help, CaptainNiobe!
21:19 CaptainNiobe welcome, mitch...
21:38 * einball is so sad about todays society
21:40 einball I ride the train home .. all I see are drunken kids with wodka everywhere
21:41 Chipguy nacht einball  and all others
21:42 einball No idea how they will end up. Maybe they don't even know themselves?
21:44 einball What will they do later? Do they have any interests? Nothing!?
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21:46 einball :(
21:47 Experimentonomen phlorbpf
21:48 Ponko so damn bored
21:49 Experimentonomen build something
21:49 * einball has to get up in 5 hrs again
21:56 Ponko don't have my tools :/
21:56 Experimentonomen :/
21:56 Experimentonomen :\
21:57 Seroster Oh what the fuck!
21:57 Seroster I'm too retarded to be op right now. '-'
21:57 Seroster CaptainNiobe, punish me, mistress!
21:58 * Ponko chuckles wickedly
21:58 Ponko lol
21:58 Experimentonomen .cookie CaptainNiobe
21:58 BotSteve Here you go, CaptainNiobe, I baked you a snickerdoodle cookie!
21:58 CaptainNiobe :P
21:58 * BitViper steals all of BotSteve's snickerdoodles
21:58 Seroster ...You fail at punishing =P
21:58 CaptainNiobe .cookie Experimentonomen
21:58 BotSteve Here you go, Experimentonomen, I baked you a snickerdoodle cookie!
21:58 CaptainNiobe ... "snickerdoodle"?
21:59 BotSteve HEY! Those are my cookies you goat!
21:59 Experimentonomen i wonder too
21:59 CaptainNiobe sero, playing with the bot :P
21:59 BitViper come and get em BotSteve =P
21:59 * BitViper eats the cookies on the run
22:00 * einball runs on BitVipers cookies
22:01 * einball slips, falls and sleeps
22:01 * BitViper stops long enough to cover einball and put caution cones up
22:02 * Experimentonomen puts blinking lights on BitViper's cones
22:07 * egrsteve adds tower beacons
22:08 CaptainNiobe wow, no one's going to miss einball, now, are they? :P
22:08 * Ponko sits back and watches the raucus unfold
22:08 * Experimentonomen is still listening to music on that nmos amp thing
22:08 * BitViper adds radio beacons to the towers
22:10 * Ponko is sitting back in his deckchair with a cup of tea and a slice of Battenburg
22:11 Ponko this will get interesting
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22:13 Experimentonomen *yawn* i think im gonna goto bed, nite peepioz
22:14 Ponko night mate :)
22:22 injektion I'm thinking of buying a Volvo 240 as a daily driver
22:25 egrsteve time to lurk
22:25 * egrsteve returns to lurking as to not drive tgg|wannabe crazy
22:26 injektion Can't deal with driving the topaz to work every day
22:28 injektion It's a shame Volvo cannot build durable cars like they once used to
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22:29 Seroster Do it, injektion
22:29 Seroster injektion, Since we sold it to china. Yeah.
22:29 injektion Seroster, Volvo has been failing since they switched to front wheel and all wheel drive
22:29 Seroster Thing is when we DON'T sell things to china it still doesn't pan out well, just look at saab,.
22:30 injektion When was the last time someone said "my front wheel drive volvo is so reliable"
22:31 injektion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_300_Series
22:31 BotSteve Title: Volvo 300 Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:31 Seroster volvo240 is just like my momma, ugly as hell but reliable. And you can stuff a fridge, a freezer, two persons and a table in it without problem.
22:32 injektion I'd prefer a 940 but I cannot find one with a manual
22:32 Seroster But if you do get a volvo....
22:33 injektion Every 940 I have seen has an automatic even the turbo ones
22:33 Seroster Make sure it got a trailer hitch. Because if you are getting a car for hauling crap and not to look good, might aswell get a hitch.
22:34 injektion I'm looking at this one http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2923914697.html
22:34 BotSteve Title: 1985 Volvo 240 5-speed
22:34 Seroster Insane mileage.
22:35 injektion It is a Volvo :P
22:35 Seroster True.
22:35 Seroster But if the advertiser mentions "fresh oil" but doesn't say a word about mileage you can pretty safely assume it's A LOT. =P
22:36 injektion When I was in boy scouts one of the leaders  had a 240 with 500k
22:37 injektion It later died due to a head gasket
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22:39 LemLap mornink all
22:40 CaptainNiobe out and about already lemming?
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22:43 LemLap stupid free wifi >_<
22:45 CaptainNiobe lol... on a train, are we? :P
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22:47 * LemLap nods
22:47 LemLap can't use a proper f'ing IRC client, and the webchat client sucks
22:47 CaptainNiobe no proper client due to https: being needed?
22:48 LemLap no, the ports are blocked
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22:48 CaptainNiobe :-\ that totally sucks...
22:49 * LemLap nods
22:49 LemLap mildly retarded and annoying
22:50 CaptainNiobe "mildly"? :P
22:50 * LemLap nods
22:51 CaptainNiobe btw, i don't think i can make it to the space today unless you're planning to be there past midnight...
22:53 LemLap erm, yeah I'm not gonna be there today
22:53 LemLap omw to the gold coast atm
22:53 Ponko omg i love Rise of Nations
22:54 CaptainNiobe ahh, whatcha heading down to teh (hopefully warmer) gc for, lem?
22:54 LemLap Wet'n'wild
22:55 CaptainNiobe ohhh, you lucky man... just you, or a couple of friends?
22:55 LemLap me and the family
22:56 CaptainNiobe don't go getting a wedgie like i did last time i went down some of those slides :P
22:57 LemLap rofl
22:57 LemLap you know the last time I went down a water slide?
22:57 CaptainNiobe nope
22:57 LemLap when I broke my heels :-P
22:58 CaptainNiobe O.O
22:58 epictang0 blah
22:59 LemLap what epictang0?
23:03 masterofmonks Fuck LemLap how the hell did you mannage that?
23:04 LemLap went down a dry water slide on a rubbish bin lid and hit the concrete pool wall feet firt
23:04 LemLap first*
23:05 LemLap broke both heels, 1 into 9 pieces, the other into 3 pieces
23:05 masterofmonks That sounds dumb.
23:05 LemLap spent a month in hospital, 3 months in a wheelchair and 2 months on crutches
23:05 LemLap not for nothing is my nickname lemming
23:05 LemLap most people IRL know me as lemming
23:05 CaptainNiobe we SERIOUSLY need to get you dye for your hair, lem... :D
23:06 masterofmonks On an unrelated note, anyone know anything abotu CB radios?
23:06 LemLap heh
23:06 SparkyProjects I used to have a couple of CB's years ago,, but that's about it
23:07 masterofmonks I was getting the mild urge to build one.
23:07 epictang0 LemLap: I was asked to teach a class on linux sec admin for spring semester...unsure if i want to take it...
23:08 masterofmonks epictang0, money?
23:08 CaptainNiobe ... i'm sure i'll see that from him a lot... lol... "baby? where did you disappear to?" "here, love. just had a sudden urge to <whatever he was doing>"
23:08 CaptainNiobe :P
23:09 masterofmonks CaptainNiobe, I assure you that 90% of the time when I get sudden urges, you will know explicitly where I am.
23:09 epictang0 it is more of a time issue...i want to do it, because the noobs that the schools are turning out are clueless...but for 3k just not sure it is worth my time
23:09 LemLap epictang0, build a bunch of basic ubuntu systems, show them all the ways to attack it
23:10 CaptainNiobe HAHA! masterofmonks, you're telling ME that? *headdesk*
23:11 epictang0 LemLap: it would be a 200 level class, i dont think they are responsible enough for attack
23:12 epictang0 now if it was masters IA classes...no problem
23:12 LemLap epictang0, take the job, show them how to attack the schools payment processing server :-P
23:13 epictang0 (it isnt that hard - it is running unpatched windows)
23:13 * LemLap nods
23:13 CaptainNiobe ... now THAT is just stupid...
23:13 epictang0 they outsourced it...when you dont patch things, they dont break
23:13 epictang0 till someone comes along and pwns it
23:14 CaptainNiobe they hire a decent tech and they don't need to worry about either breakage or pwnage then
23:14 masterofmonks Depends a lot.
23:15 masterofmonks The bigger names are constantly under attack.
23:15 SparkyProjects want to hear something more stupid ?
23:15 SparkyProjects The launch code for American nuclear rockets until recently was all 0's :P
23:15 epictang0 CaptainNiobe: techs cost money...
23:16 epictang0 SparkyProjects: that was in 1977
23:17 epictang0 these days there is some crypto that happens..
23:17 exor674 nono, SparkyProjects 1234
23:17 SparkyProjects ah, couldn't remember the year offhand, but still stupid
23:20 Seroster Cya folks
23:20 Seroster I wanna get first proper light tomorrow, SparkyProjects.
23:20 Seroster Anyway, i'll be going, cya folks.
23:24 LemLap later all
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23:32 Sasha_ Yo guys, do you know any FTP clients that can produce speed logs?
23:35 epictang0 use wget and curl write a wrapper in python?
23:36 Sasha_ Yup. But, you're talking to someone who doesn't know much about code. As in, nothing.
23:38 epictang0 i may even have something deep in the archives for something like that...
23:39 Sasha_ Nah never mind, I'm just going to use a standard bandwidth logging app
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23:46 epictang0 it is funny when you have clients that run tv ads and can tell when their ads run by the bandwidth usage...lol
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23:47 Sasha_ Huh? You mean they don't pay for seconds?
23:47 epictang0 i run their internet sites...
23:48 Sasha_ Ah… ok

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