Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-04-15

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00:02 Seroster Hackbun, My cats are the same, if they were small enough to sleep on my cacti they would
00:03 Seroster Got a comfy cat bed, a sofa, bed... What do they do? "IMMA SLEEP ON TEH BALCONY FLOOR!"
00:08 quacky oh boy that is tommy on ggr tonight
00:09 quacky yep.
00:12 quacky can u guys see my messages?
00:13 Seroster Yes
00:14 Seroster If they read the chat they can. I can't guarantee they read IRC. =P
00:14 quacky what does that mode thing mean
00:14 Seroster It doesn't do anything practical in here.
00:15 Seroster It just shoves their names up a notch on the "names" list, so you can see who are at the lab.
00:15 Seroster There is a way to set the channel so that only people with voice can speak.
00:18 Seroster Anyway, I'm off to hit the hay. Goodnight sir.
00:21 SparkyProjects 'nite Sero
00:21 Seroster Nite sparky
00:25 masterofmonks Hey tonsofpcs You around?
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00:43 tonsofpcs ya
00:44 tonsofpcs what's up masterofmonks?
00:45 masterofmonks What do you think of this for just something to use as basically a disposable tool. http://bit.ly/IKPqCA
00:45 BotSteve Title: DS0201 2.8" LCD Pocket Mini Oscilloscope V1.5 Device (Micro SD/TF Card Slot) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
00:47 tonsofpcs wtf?! *reads specs*
00:47 masterofmonks Yeah, the price got my attention too...
00:48 tonsofpcs Trigger mode confuses me.
00:49 tonsofpcs battery not included, btw
00:49 quacky Zozo there
00:49 tonsofpcs 39753 has battery and probe, it seems
00:49 masterofmonks I have at least one of thse batteries laying around...
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00:51 tonsofpcs might be interesting to use for audio, but without knowing how it triggers....
00:51 injektion I finally cleaned up my static DHCP leases ^_^ http://goput.it/xpq.png
00:53 SparkyProjects Going by the normal scopes i've used,  i would say auto looks for a rise and triggers when it thinks it should, manual means you select the voltage to trigger at, single probably store a one shot pulse, but not sure about scan
00:53 SparkyProjects *normal = manual
00:54 tonsofpcs I'm guessing scan is timer-at-width-of-display (continuous)
00:54 tonsofpcs (unless it can continuous scroll)
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00:54 tonsofpcs so I guess it doesn't have rising/falling settings
00:54 SparkyProjects Maybe you're right with scroll
00:56 injektion Now to find out why the Mac Pro's video card hates Windows
00:56 masterofmonks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcGYPU70To
00:56 BotSteve Title: Testing DS0201 Mini Oscilloscope V1.5 - YouTube
00:56 injektion I'm going to try connecting 2 monitors to the video card instead of 1 this time
00:58 tonsofpcs see, at work, my most portable scope is the one that they have on the left behind it in that video... we have plenty of spare scopes.  At home, most of what I would need a scope for I _can_ do with a needled volt-meter
01:00 tonsofpcs I see no reason to pay $50 yet alone $100 for something like that
01:01 Monkeh Cprossu: Emergency avoided, managed to get the EDID off the DVI connector.
01:01 tonsofpcs I had a friend who had a 'portable handheld' oscilloscope that was a bit bigger than a TI calculator that I think did quite a bit more and wasn't much more expensive (and I last saw it about 10, maybe 12 years ago...)
01:02 SparkyProjects After watching that vid, i think i would rather pay a bit more for a second hand scope, maybe even a small portable.
01:03 masterofmonks I have two vintage analog scopes, that can be refirbished. I was mostly curious for the use as a disposable tool.
01:04 tonsofpcs the issue is that he kinda went into seclusion after becoming a public figure due to TV news attention...
01:05 tonsofpcs otherwise I'd just ask him what it ws
01:05 SparkyProjects Yeah, buy it and dispose of it straight away :D
01:05 SparkyProjects Might be ok if you're high up hanging awkwardly trying to test something and was worried you might drop it
01:05 tonsofpcs *was
01:05 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: the tek shown in that video can do that just fine.  trust me ;)
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01:34 epictang0 why is she making me watch this damn movie..
01:36 epictang0 http://militarytimes.com/blogs/outside-the-wire/2012/04/13/gold-star-wife-learns-of-husbands-death-through-facebook/
01:36 BotSteve Title: Outside The Wire – Gold Star wife learns of husband’s death through Facebook
01:36 epictang0 damn that pisses me off
01:36 epictang0 there is protocol for a reason
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01:39 eadthem-nix i now have a dual monitor linux install
01:39 eadthem-nix there is no reason why that shuld of been that hard
01:39 Ycarene eadthem-nix - Hard?
01:40 eadthem-nix manual xorg config
01:40 Ycarene What vid card?
01:40 eadthem-nix learning bash scripting to undo the undoing of the xorg settings on xfce start
01:40 eadthem-nix radeon x850 pro
01:41 eadthem-nix cant use fglxd aka  amd/ati drivers with catalyst control center
01:41 eadthem-nix card is to old
01:41 eadthem-nix and the propritary driver for it  wotn run with this version of Xorg
01:44 tonsofpcs oh, the whole Xfree > Xorg migartion screwed a ton of glint/fgl drivers
01:44 tonsofpcs I have a FireGL 3000 that's essentially useless now
01:44 eadthem-nix on top of it suse discontinued SaX2
01:44 eadthem-nix if they hadnt
01:44 tonsofpcs (I can still run hardware rendering against it, I just can't make X display with it....)
01:45 eadthem-nix it would of been as easy to setup xorg for dual display as windows
01:46 tonsofpcs lol SuSE.  You mean Netware 10? :-p
01:47 eadthem-nix it dosent matter what distro you use
01:47 eadthem-nix you will have problems
01:47 eadthem-nix its just a choise of witch problems you wish to have
01:48 eadthem-nix me i would prefer not to get in a fight with my os over sudo and su and my rights to log in as root and screw everything up
01:48 eadthem-nix thus i dont run ubuntu
01:48 tonsofpcs you can easily enable root login in ubuntu...
01:49 eadthem-nix mostly ive been using suse sense 7.3
01:49 tonsofpcs but yea, the massive Xfree > Xorg migration of the major distros killed a lot
01:49 eadthem-nix or 9th grade
01:49 eadthem-nix all i ask is that   create SaX3 fully before abandoning SaX2
01:49 eadthem-nix dose that not make logical sense
01:50 tonsofpcs I switched from SuSE to FC2 which lasted about a month, then went to RH [6? 7?], then FC3 which lasted about 6 weeks, then deb, ....
01:51 eadthem-nix suse dropped SaX2 in 11.1   SaX3 was included in 12.1  verson 0.0.1
01:51 eadthem-nix with as many more more bugs than would be expected of something at version 0.0.1
01:52 eadthem-nix it will config 1 monitor and set the driver for the card  once
01:52 eadthem-nix then you must wipe out your xorg before re running it  because it cant read its own modifcations without crashing
01:52 tonsofpcs I have no clue what SaX2 is btw.
01:52 eadthem-nix suse advanced x configurator
01:52 eadthem-nix think of display proprtys in windows
01:53 eadthem-nix but with a fue more features, and for linux
01:54 eadthem-nix lets you set and position a monitor or multiple montors  set there resolution  refresh, enable 3d   set there driver and ...  from a gui that will load a seperate X11 session for testing
02:00 eadthem-nix as soon as i get mirc running
02:00 eadthem-nix it will feel like home
02:03 Ponko night all
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02:15 tonsofpcs wait, you're doing all of this to run mIRC?!?!
02:15 * tonsofpcs hands eadthem-nix a copy of Windows98SE
02:16 epictang0 lol...the better question is why are you running mIRC in the first place
02:17 tonsofpcs there's nothing wrong with mIRC... if you're running windows and have no way of accessing a real IRC client like irssi ;)
02:18 eadthem-nix theres nothing wrong with irssi unless it means re learning how to configure a irc client
02:18 tonsofpcs configure?
02:18 eadthem-nix text colors
02:18 tonsofpcs if your IRC client needs to be configured, you're doing it wrong.
02:18 eadthem-nix beep on words
02:18 tonsofpcs you configure those in your terminal....
02:18 eadthem-nix servers
02:19 masterofmonks eadthem-nix, XChat?
02:19 tonsofpcs /server irc.freenode.net
02:19 eadthem-nix channels
02:19 eadthem-nix logging
02:19 tonsofpcs /join #blah
02:19 tonsofpcs /help log
02:19 eadthem-nix ya but /join and / server  wotn start 3 diffrent servers and 10 diffrent channels when you start the program
02:20 eadthem-nix point is   i migrate mirc  i need no configuring or learning curving
02:20 eadthem-nix it will just work
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02:20 quacky mitch u there
02:20 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: take it from someone who broke mIRC enough that a screenshot of his IRC sessions got khaled to add that side-bar channel selector thing:  You're doing it wrong.  Run one client instance per server if you have that many channels that it's an issue.
02:21 quacky GGR is mitch in??
02:21 tonsofpcs quacky: you've been told at least twice today that friday night he said that he'd be back monday.
02:22 * epictang0 slaps quacky with a trout
02:24 quacky he was just on the air tonsofpcs
02:24 quacky he was on live
02:25 quacky he was on with "breaking news" about a tornado that just hit a hospital...
02:26 astro73|roam that's not classic media at all
02:26 quacky see hes on the air right now
02:26 astro73|roam breaking news! Something to make you cry and feel sorry about the world!
02:27 quacky thats so sad:( a tornado hit a hospital!
02:27 quacky it sounds noisy is he live in the field?
02:27 tonsofpcs quacky: that was reported over 5 hours ago on CNN...
02:28 astro73|roam quacky: very unlikely
02:28 tonsofpcs astro73|roam: he said he was in Rockford...
02:28 astro73|roam huh
02:29 tonsofpcs idk what they're doing, tgg|yNos or Cprossu or ZoZo might...
02:29 astro73|roam i didn't know they set up any remote broadcasting stuff
02:29 tonsofpcs astro73|roam: well, remote access of a PC able to play a web stream and/or skype could easily do it....
02:29 tonsofpcs or just file transfer
02:29 quacky sounds echoy
02:29 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Or you can just connect the headset output on a phone to a line input.
02:30 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: not with no one in the studio
02:30 tonsofpcs http://thegeekgroup.org/live/video/
02:30 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group » Video
02:30 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Okay, there's that.
02:30 Monkeh|Lap Is that the studio cam?
02:30 tonsofpcs I think so
02:30 tonsofpcs I can't tell for sure
02:31 Monkeh|Lap Still, lots of ways to rig remote in a pinch
02:31 Monkeh|Lap Seems odd, though
02:31 Monkeh|Lap It's late at night and Cprossu and Zozo aren't stirring up trouble? :)
02:31 tonsofpcs they redid all of radio yesterday (see CB) so maybe they needed a nap?
02:32 tonsofpcs (or Saturday night = Zomb?)
02:32 Monkeh|Lap Saw CB.
02:32 Monkeh|Lap The station is.. rather better laid out now.
02:32 Monkeh|Lap And with reduced neck strain.
02:33 tonsofpcs studio layout is all about purpose.  There's a reason that many stations have multiple 'live' or 'live-capable' studios
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02:38 tonsofpcs quacky: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=ddc
02:38 BotSteve Title: NWS radar image from Dodge City, KS
02:39 SarahM o thank god
02:39 Monkeh|Lap SarahM: What'd I do now?
02:39 tonsofpcs hi SarahM
02:39 SarahM i almost didn't have internet!!!!!
02:39 quacky so mitch is not in studio?
02:39 SarahM i unplugged the router, plugged it back in and now i have internet
02:39 SarahM mitch wasn't at the lab, and won't be till monday, quacky
02:39 Monkeh|Lap quacky: He's already said himself he isn't.
02:40 tonsofpcs they evacuated the tower at the airport in wichita, KS
02:40 tonsofpcs (the weather channel has this live)
02:40 quacky is there another studio around GR he can broadcast from then?
02:40 SarahM why?
02:40 Monkeh|Lap Your obsession may be unhealthy.
02:40 epictang0 quacky: he is broadcasting from your mind...
02:41 tonsofpcs quacky: I can go live on air on a real radio station in under 3 minutes using just my cellphone.  I'm sure he could do similar for a simple web stream.
02:41 SarahM why do you need mitch?!
02:42 masterofmonks Because he's his baby's daddy?
02:43 quacky i am curious to how they operate and i like listening to his show
02:43 epictang0 or wants mitch to be his baby's daddy
02:43 tonsofpcs ah, there, weather channel just had some graphics operator update the graphic so that 'approximate tornado location' is actually pointing at the hook echo.
02:44 SarahM they operate by talking into a microphone....i've been on the GGR, its not that special
02:45 quacky mitch is a good on air talent & very unique. i think its the way he delivers the copy on radio
02:47 quacky that is why i like ggr
02:47 tonsofpcs http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=ddc&amp;product=N0V&amp;overlay=11101111&amp;loop=no << the tornadac activity is where that random stroke of green intersects the swatches of red
02:47 BotSteve Title: NWS radar image from Dodge City, KS
02:47 quacky and follow it closely
02:47 tonsofpcs (SE of great-bend)
02:47 quacky he is on the air again and it is different than the last one
02:48 quacky yeah this is completely different compared to the last time he was on the air...
02:48 masterofmonks quacky, I realize that you really like Mitch.. But perhaps you can change your topic?
02:49 tonsofpcs he just said "from a remote location 10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time"...
02:49 quacky sorry
02:50 tonsofpcs my guess is that http://m.cnn.com/primary/cnnd_fullarticle?articleId=urn:newsml:CNN.com:20120414:midwest-storms:1&amp;branding=&amp;category=cnnd_us&amp;pagesize=10&amp;cookieFlag=COOKIE_SET is what he's reading
02:50 quacky i just find the whole broadcasting from remotes and with the technology very interesting & he said the injury update as of 10-36 i thought
02:50 BotSteve Title: CNN
02:52 quacky he must not be doing anything if he is sending updates in on a sat night
02:54 quacky or hes being required too
02:55 HighMan http://www.lowes.com/pd_239462-16878-60363_4294857614_4294937087_
02:55 BotSteve Title: Shop Kobalt 10 Piece Screwdriver Set at Lowes.com
02:55 HighMan Win!
02:55 SarahM https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522549_276045865814403_176436585775332_621195_720710000_n.jpg
02:56 HighMan Hi SarahM (wannabe1987) xD
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03:01 quacky yello tommy
03:01 quacky i try to listen to you on friday i did not know u were oon saturdays too
03:03 eadthem-nix the ammount of bs required to play mp3 on linux is rediculas
03:03 tonsofpcs http://www.videolan.org/
03:03 BotSteve Title: VideoLAN - VLC: Official site - Free multimedia solutions for all OS!
03:03 eadthem-nix ya i know
03:05 quacky ur right tonsofpcs mitch is not live b/c that was the same file that played a few minutes ago and you can hear a click at the beginning and end like a record click
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03:06 GGR_Tommy Hey Everyone!
03:07 GGR_Tommy Who all is tuned in to the GGR?
03:07 quacky hi tommy i listen to u on fridays i did not know u were on sats too
03:07 eadthem-nix still installing packages
03:07 quacky me!
03:07 eadthem-nix wonder if there would be any issues with makeing firefox and pidgen use my profile from windows
03:08 GGR_Tommy Yep Friday and Saturday nights 8-12 EST on the GGR!
03:08 quacky at least here through the live page
03:08 eadthem-nix i mean off the ntfs drive
03:11 quacky it is awesome u can chat w/ us in here now GGR_Tommy
03:12 eadthem-nix witchita just got hit by a tornado
03:12 eadthem-nix accualy its still beeing hit
03:12 SarahM you ok out there, eadthem-nix?
03:12 Monkeh|Lap eadthem-nix: The amount of BS required to play MP3s on nitpicking distros like Ubuntu is ridiculous.
03:12 Monkeh|Lap eadthem-nix: Normal distros are better.
03:13 GGR_Tommy Any requests guys?
03:13 eadthem-nix SarahM:  ya im in kansas city
03:13 eadthem-nix we ant got hit yet
03:13 SarahM i know you're out there (plains) somewhere ... stay safe!
03:13 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: there's a guy in Wichita talking live on the weather channel...
03:13 tonsofpcs they just handed off control to topeka
03:14 quacky tommy how is mitch going on ggr 2nite
03:14 tonsofpcs (NWS warning/radio control, that is)
03:14 GGR_Tommy Great question. He remotes into the stream when there are breaking alerts that need to get out.....
03:15 quacky nice technology to have!
03:16 quacky surprised he is not on with tornadoes going through witchita GGR_Tommy
03:17 GGR_Tommy Well Quacky... He is gathering more updates and info and should update soon.
03:21 quacky u should tell him to go live from oklahoma city! get on TGGR plane and remote in!
03:21 tonsofpcs TWC: large wedge tornado between haysville and oaklawn
03:21 GGR_Tommy You  got a plane...We will through him on it.
03:21 eadthem-nix the witchta tornado is strong  peeks of -64 to -50 KTS and +36 to +50 KTS
03:22 eadthem-nix it will probably rake the southern edge
03:22 SarahM ooo theres a concert in wichita.....fans are asked to get to the lower level of the arena :/
03:22 tonsofpcs TWC: large tornado near lynos, between geneseo and little river
03:22 tonsofpcs *lyons
03:23 tonsofpcs NE 55 MPH
03:23 tonsofpcs *moving NE @
03:24 GGR_Tommy Correction *throw him on it ... Tough typing and spinning the tunes at the same time... and managing the remote feed...
03:24 quacky "managing the remote feed"?
03:25 eadthem-nix the kansas turnpike weather cam just went down
03:25 GGR_Tommy Mitch remoting in to report...
03:25 eadthem-nix i loaded a frame that was badly distorted and had some big discolrations going up and down
03:26 GGR_Tommy High Energy on the GGR is produced elsewhere and he is remoting into me with the updates... The show is then fed to the GGR studios for broadcast.
03:26 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: they were reporting power going out and coming back and going out ... in Wichita
03:26 eadthem-nix and figured that was just weatherbug.com  so i went to the KTA website and  now it says the cameras dead
03:26 eadthem-nix err no image
03:27 tonsofpcs S/SW of McConnel (sp?) airport base
03:28 eadthem-nix comparing radar to the map of where that camera was  it might of gotten hit
03:28 tonsofpcs NE of Oaklawn, heading towards Eastborough area or greenwich heights area
03:29 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: possible... I'm still trying to figure out how to get all of the products from the radar site, they're not all available via http, it seems
03:29 eadthem-nix i gave up on noaa
03:29 eadthem-nix wunderground is decent
03:29 tonsofpcs Tornado @ 55 and broadway, south side of wichita
03:30 eadthem-nix if you want all products you need something that will read the GR level 2 data
03:30 tonsofpcs spotter: large stovepipe tornado crossed I-35 near [unintelligible], 4 miles SW of McConnel
03:31 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: I see reference to "D2D" and "FSI" but no reference to what they are / where to get them ...
03:31 eadthem-nix D2D?
03:31 tonsofpcs http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dualpol/trainingaid/LoadingAnalysis.htm#D2DvsFSI
03:31 BotSteve Title: NWS WDTB: Dual-Polarization Radar Product Loading and Analysis
03:31 eadthem-nix o dont bother
03:31 eadthem-nix its a wet dream
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03:32 eadthem-nix enid/vance AFB   wunderground  radar mode .5 degree elevation  storm relitive
03:32 tonsofpcs oh, wait, may have found it
03:32 tonsofpcs storm relative is a silly product.
03:33 eadthem-nix you got to know how to read it
03:33 tonsofpcs http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gsd/ProbFcst/Downloads/
03:33 BotSteve Title: GSD Information Systems Branch: Probabilistic Forecasting
03:33 tonsofpcs I'd rather read base velocity than storm relative.
03:33 eadthem-nix can you sumerise  i dont have irc on a x system
03:34 tonsofpcs "install RHEL5, make this specific account with this specific home directory, make a scratch drive with 50G free, follow this install procedure"
03:34 eadthem-nix velocity .5 says about the same thing  -26 near +64
03:35 eadthem-nix thats just north of mcconnell
03:35 SarahM narwhals
03:35 eadthem-nix eastridge
03:35 tonsofpcs it's instructions to use "GFE" with "D2D" but it should get D2D installed...
03:35 GGR_Tommy Quacky.. How do you connect to listen?
03:36 quacky listening through live video stream
03:36 quacky surprised tonsofpcs is during weather updates lol not ggr
03:36 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: the new products from the dual pol are very interesting and it'd be nice to see them live.
03:36 eadthem-nix id agree
03:36 SarahM http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab137/kerianneveltri/93449760988133016LThVghjkc.jpg
03:37 eadthem-nix but till there in the general dissemnation with LVL 2 data
03:37 eadthem-nix thats not likely to happen
03:37 eadthem-nix and even then  gibson ridge analyst 2 with dual pol cost about 700$
03:37 tonsofpcs LVL2 data?
03:37 eadthem-nix level2 is binary
03:38 eadthem-nix level 1 is raw unprocessed data   level 2 has site specific processing done
03:38 tonsofpcs In college, the met instructors ran some RHEL machines with GARP and other tools on them that imported all the stuff automagically so we could pull it from anywhere on campus if we asked for a login...
03:38 eadthem-nix level 3 are images on http and ftp
03:38 tonsofpcs I'd be ok with having to tweak my own parameters with Lvl1
03:39 eadthem-nix a level 2 radar frame is about .2 to 2MB each
03:39 tonsofpcs hook echo disappearing, strong eastward front east of greenwich heights, south line from andover
03:39 eadthem-nix level 1 is not dissemnated anywhere
03:39 quacky ha mitch is on ggr talking about tornado in witchia
03:39 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
03:39 quacky or whatever that city is
03:39 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw SarahM 0.04 hours ago at 2012-04-15 03:37:00 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:39:31 UTC
03:39 eadthem-nix prob from our coverage:p
03:39 SarahM hai
03:39 tonsofpcs so at this point I basically have to drive the four miles to the radar site to see it?
03:39 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: nnah, he's reading CNN website, I think
03:40 quacky he cut GGR_Tommy right off ha
03:40 tonsofpcs Wichita EM: 71st S/144 E, tornado on ground reported.
03:40 GGR_Tommy It happens.... actually... i cut it to bring his update in... :)
03:40 quacky he said "according to the weather channel"
03:40 tonsofpcs that's good
03:40 quacky and "this is nothing to joke about"
03:40 quacky obviously...
03:40 quacky ...obviously this "is not a joking matter"
03:41 tonsofpcs the weather channel has a guy inside the wichita NWS facility who is live on the phone  for the past 45min at least now
03:41 tonsofpcs (well, he started with a sat uplink...)
03:41 SarahM hai lwq1996
03:41 quacky surprised his phone isnt dead yeay
03:41 tonsofpcs TWC: power is out in andover
03:41 GGR_Tommy Some people you have to tell them to enforce the news.... It is not obvious to everyone....
03:41 lwq1996 oh there is a kelly
03:41 SarahM duh
03:41 tonsofpcs TWC: possible building collapse in [unintelligible], unconfirmed
03:42 tonsofpcs TWC: 70-some mph gust at McConnell
03:42 CaptainNiobe is it the ggr stream or is there serious blayback issues atm?
03:42 tonsofpcs CaptainNiobe: music "and the walls are shakin" sounds clean here....
03:42 * CaptainNiobe tries it on wmp
03:42 quacky did mitch say witchia oklahoma in his update?
03:42 SarahM hi niobe
03:43 eadthem-nix new possable tornado east of wtichta
03:43 quacky FYI mitch... its witchia kansas
03:43 CaptainNiobe hey SarahM :)
03:43 tonsofpcs quacky: Wichita
03:43 eadthem-nix -36KTS vr +64KTS
03:43 quacky whocares
03:43 * exor674 hugs at SarahM?
03:43 quacky you get the point
03:43 SarahM yay hugs!
03:43 CaptainNiobe ok, it was something about qt, it's fine on wmp
03:43 * SarahM hugs at exor674
03:44 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: TWC has software they keep showing on screen that they've clicked over to the CC product at least, idk if they can see ZDR, looks like they can see 13 different products from this site, 15 options total...
03:44 eadthem-nix google gibson ridge
03:44 eadthem-nix see if the screen shots look familar
03:44 tonsofpcs TWC guy on ground: 73kts/89 MPH wind reported.  1.99" rain picked up
03:45 GGR_Tommy Not sure.... It will reair in a sec...He may have meant to say from Witchita up to Oklahoma. Regardless the whole area is affected as it moves through...
03:45 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: theey only show the UI for one of the three products, it doesn't match.
03:45 CaptainNiobe tonsofpcs: thanks *hugs*
03:45 tonsofpcs GGR_Tommy: not really.  Severe weather is hyperlocal.  There's a reason that they draw boxes for warnings.
03:46 tonsofpcs *hugs*
03:47 tonsofpcs looks closest to GR2Analyst (based on google image search) but not the same
03:47 tonsofpcs eadthem-nix: are you a met nerd? :)
03:47 eadthem-nix there are slight alterations for broadcast
03:47 eadthem-nix somewhat yes
03:47 GGR_Tommy It is just a guess.... The red box is spread over 3 states on TWC
03:47 eadthem-nix theres another program one sec
03:50 tonsofpcs +i mean, this UI on the right-hand side, top has the text detail of what it's showing, below that a small frame w/about 15 radio buttons each with the three letter code next to it, next is a frame w/ 18 buttons with 2 or 3 letters, then 3 checkboxes with text detail, then another frame w/ three lines of detail (human readable version of the condensed text at top?)
03:50 SarahM they're still doing boxes!
03:51 tonsofpcs they're just showing the software live, not using the broadcast output
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03:51 eadthem there we go
03:51 tonsofpcs hi :)
03:51 eadthem hey xchat has spellcheck
03:51 eadthem thats got to go :p
03:51 quacky yep "witchita located right in oklahoma"
03:51 quacky lol
03:51 tonsofpcs hey, live video from the wichita NWS again
03:52 eadthem how do you preform on connect in xchat
03:52 tonsofpcs NWS guy (kevin? keith?): lots of damage reports from south and east parts of metro, mcconnel
03:52 GGR_Tommy It happens..
03:52 tonsofpcs eadthem: it's in one of the config dialogs iirc
03:52 tonsofpcs TWC sent a crew member out to get tape footage of damage
03:52 SarahM TIME IS GOING SO SLOWLY
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03:53 tonsofpcs time... goes by... so slowly.....
03:53 tonsofpcs </unchained melody>
03:53 quacky GGR_Tommy how long is mitch giving in updates
03:55 GGR_Tommy til 12 eastern via my feed...
03:55 GGR_Tommy Not sure otherwise...
03:55 quacky 5 mins?
03:55 quacky ha
03:55 GGR_Tommy yep
03:55 quacky well they were nice
03:55 GGR_Tommy Quack... How are you listening?
03:56 tonsofpcs http://www.nws.noaa.gov/mdl/fsi/ is FSI (thanks to yano in ##weather )
03:56 BotSteve Title: Four-dimensional Stormcell Investigator (FSI)
03:56 quacky video stream
03:56 GGR_Tommy k
03:56 quacky mitch on air again
03:57 quacky mitch: 90 tornadoes reported so far
03:57 quacky house collapse, mitch says
03:57 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/storm/ktwx_20080612_2308_00.jpg   there  tonsofpcs
03:58 tonsofpcs eadthem: that looks awesome but that's not it
03:58 tonsofpcs eadthem: do you lack a TV set?
03:58 eadthem no  thats what you can do with gr2 analyst
03:58 eadthem or well the free trial
03:58 eadthem ya i just have the computer
03:58 quacky thanks for the updates tommy
03:59 eadthem i get my tv from amazon
03:59 tonsofpcs oh
03:59 tonsofpcs got windows or OSX somewhere?
03:59 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/storm/09/sandeagoTX.br.png
03:59 eadthem this computer has windows xp
03:59 eadthem dose that look closer?
04:00 GGR_Tommy I do what I can... The show is done... Forgot Im cut just a little before the top of the hour... Have a great night everyone and keep listening to the GGR! We are building awesome... One Bolt Depot bolt at a time!
04:00 tonsofpcs the UI looks similar but that doesn't appear to be it
04:00 quacky thanks for the updates GGR_Tommy and plz tell mitch thanks for keeping us updated on a saturday night
04:00 tonsofpcs but with windows, then you can have access to my 'TV' and look at it yourself :)
04:00 eadthem ?
04:00 tonsofpcs PM?
04:00 eadthem shure
04:00 SarahM only 8 more hours of work!
04:00 eadthem not shure how xchat dose that but why not
04:01 tonsofpcs should have ejust shown as a new window and/or tab
04:10 SarahM my is it windy out there....the flag is straight....but ripply....not bunched up by the pole
04:11 tonsofpcs .w beaufort scale
04:11 BotSteve "The Beaufort scale ( /ˈboʊfərt/) is an empirical measure that relates wind speed to observed conditions at sea or on land." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale
04:11 tonsofpcs SarahM: ^
04:12 SarahM what about it?
04:12 eadthem http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/~ralliss/stormchasing.php
04:12 BotSteve Title: Ryan Alliss- Storm Chasing
04:12 eadthem its GR analyst
04:12 eadthem thats what there using
04:13 tonsofpcs flags start extending at 3 beauforts, ~8-10 kts
04:13 eadthem the radio buttons and angles appear and dissapear according to what the given radar file offers in data
04:14 eadthem http://www.grlevelx.com/gr2analyst/    tonsofpcs   you can get the software and try it for 30 days
04:14 BotSteve Title: GR2Analyst Main Page
04:14 eadthem its good stuff
04:14 tonsofpcs ok, how do I buy it? :)
04:14 eadthem i can look up the free lvl 2 feed i had  if you give me a min
04:14 tonsofpcs oh, I found one
04:14 eadthem iowa mesonet something
04:15 tonsofpcs http://mesonet.tamu.edu/LevelII
04:15 eadthem its 250$ for personal use    125$ more to support dual pol
04:15 BotSteve Title: Index of /LevelII
04:15 tonsofpcs http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/ is iowa's
04:15 BotSteve Title: Iowa Environmental Mesonet
04:16 eadthem thers no reason to buy dual pol
04:16 eadthem as gibson says on his site noaa dose not offer dual pol
04:16 tonsofpcs well, when did he last update his site?
04:16 tonsofpcs they just started installing dual pol (other than a test site or two) in September...
04:17 eadthem prob been a year or 2
04:17 eadthem and in a year or 2 dual pol will be widely dissemnated
04:18 eadthem personly i think he shuld lower the price of the individual license to 150$
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04:18 tonsofpcs I see reference to $80 on the forums....
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04:18 tonsofpcs I don't see where to actually buy though, so that's irrelevant
04:19 eadthem the link i gave you
04:19 eadthem click that
04:19 eadthem its 80$ for GR2
04:19 eadthem its 250$ for GR2 analyst
04:19 eadthem analyst dose 3d  and has about 5-10 more products
04:20 tonsofpcs ah, found it http://sites.fastspring.com/gibsonridge
04:20 BotSteve Title: GRLevelX Store
04:20 eadthem thats why i said you shuld try it first    so you dont buy the 80$ version and expect the features you see on the weather channal
04:20 tonsofpcs and yet you still have to pay more for ZDR/CC/KDP ... which he probably loads in the exact same way but had to write code to change the color...
04:21 eadthem ya
04:21 tonsofpcs all I want is to see ZDR/CC/KDP in addition to everything I can see on the NOAA website... maybe I'll bug SRH (they still control the web interface, I think?)
04:21 eadthem ive looked in to parsing the GR2 files  and writing my own program several times
04:21 tonsofpcs actually! *checks the beta of the new-style viewer*
04:22 tonsofpcs nope :( just HRBase, Base, Composite, Echo Tops
04:22 tonsofpcs oo, I can see all the traditional products on individual radars
04:23 tonsofpcs and ZDR!
04:23 eadthem where
04:23 tonsofpcs hhold, grabbing link
04:23 tonsofpcs http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge2/ridgenew2/
04:23 tonsofpcs click select radar, then click a site that has dual pol
04:23 tonsofpcs (if you don't know any, buffalo has had theirs for 2 or 3 weeks now)
04:24 tonsofpcs this rendering slows my eeepc though
04:25 eadthem buffalo where
04:26 tonsofpcs NY
04:26 tonsofpcs east end of lake erie
04:27 tonsofpcs I don't see CC or KDP but ZDR is there
04:27 eadthem differntal reflectivity
04:27 tonsofpcs yup
04:27 eadthem storm accumulation
04:27 exor674 hh, that just looks like someone ate crayons and threw up all over the map
04:27 tonsofpcs differential reflectivity = ZDR
04:28 tonsofpcs i'm gonna try it in oklahoma or kansas where there's actaully a storm, see if it looks right
04:29 tonsofpcs if i can get my eepc to zoom in somewhere between 10000000% or -10%...
04:29 eadthem topika has dual pol
04:30 exor674 so does wichita, apparently
04:30 tonsofpcs so does ICT
04:30 tonsofpcs yea
04:31 exor674 aw FTG doesn't
04:32 tonsofpcs yea, this is too slow on my eeepc
04:33 tonsofpcs CC seems more useful for things like this than ZDR though
04:33 eadthem wheres ftg
04:34 exor674 denverish
04:34 exor674 ) e.g. closest radar site to me )
04:34 exor674 what's CC?
04:36 tonsofpcs iirc, ZDR is Z_H - Z_V, CC is the correlation coefficient - high correlation = lots of things reflecting the H and V in the same ratio; low correlation = lots of things in different ratios
04:36 exor674 looks like FTG is scheduled for 3-Sep-2012 to 16-Sep-2012 somewhwere in there -- http://www.roc.noaa.gov/WSR88D/PublicDocs/DualPol/DPSchedule.pdf
04:37 tonsofpcs so hail is round, ZDR will be near-zero and CC will be near 1 -- hail with rain around it will have lower CC and higher ZDR (rain drops squish into hamburger shapes as they fall)
04:37 exor674 oh, that is shiny
04:37 tonsofpcs BGMs was turned on a week ago today and 'live' a week ago tomorrow.  I was at the BGM NWS a week ago tuesday
04:38 tonsofpcs rain with no hail will have higher CC and higher ZDR, etc
04:38 tonsofpcs there's an online 'training' guide (fetching link)
04:39 eadthem hail return shuld have a high CC and a low ZDR
04:39 eadthem the nice thing is  that pattern could take the form of a spike away from a storms core
04:39 eadthem and be visable as such  even tho another storm is covering it up
04:40 exor674 so can't really tell without CC, but the nasty storm over TWX is mostly rain -- according to the ZDR?
04:40 eadthem choose high res base velocity
04:40 tonsofpcs http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dualpol/outreach/
04:40 BotSteve Title: National Weather Service - Warning Decision Training Branch
04:40 eadthem see the part thats out near wilson
04:41 eadthem see how thers not much blue west of that cell
04:41 eadthem wilson is along I70
04:41 tonsofpcs there's also a few more derived products, explained at that link too 6
04:41 tonsofpcs * ^
04:41 eadthem that says low chance of hail
04:42 eadthem the tornado near salina  si the same   but there is a small spike of blue on the west side
04:42 eadthem thats probably a hail spike
04:42 eadthem that ones hard to tell as its 1/2 coverd up
04:43 tonsofpcs KDP helps you tell what's actual precip and what's not (that's the best I can describe it without going into excruciating detail that the docs there explain better)
04:43 eadthem this is when you flip radar stations to UEX  hasting NE  and look at the other angle
04:43 eadthem if you see blue spikes  that weret showing up on TWX     and vice verca
04:43 eadthem those are then most likely hail spikes
04:46 eadthem thers a spotch  detached from the main cell near abilene  that is a suspect hail spike  because the return looks quite a bit stronger  when your seeing the downrange radar return from uex
04:46 eadthem so thats classic hail identification     now  to see if ZDR is clearer
04:46 tonsofpcs eadthem: see, if you could see some of the other products you could possibly tell if it were clutter, biological, or hail.
04:47 eadthem the whole point was that after manualy identifying the way i know
04:47 tonsofpcs there's a slideshow out there that shows stuff from two events last year; you can see the debris flying up the tornado (in KDP iirc)
04:47 eadthem i could better determin how the new products make a diffrence
04:48 tonsofpcs possibly this one : http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dualpol/Applications/TDS/player.html
04:48 BotSteve Title: Dual-Pol Radar Applications: Tornadi[...]
04:48 tonsofpcs (it won't load here)
04:49 eadthem diffrental reflectivity is ZDR ?
04:51 tonsofpcs yup
04:51 tonsofpcs Z is reflectivity
04:51 tonsofpcs well, signal strength
04:52 tonsofpcs i'm not sure what they technically define Z as, but it's the same Z as dBZ
04:52 tonsofpcs K is a latin substitute for phi.  It's a phase-delay analysis algorithm of some kind
04:53 tonsofpcs so ZDR is reflected, KDP is transmitted (ish? I mean, it has to come back to the radar for it to make sense of it, right?)
04:53 eadthem wow
04:54 eadthem low zdr = hail
04:54 eadthem ?
04:54 tonsofpcs ZDR = Z_H - Z_V
04:54 tonsofpcs hail is round and doesn't compress as it falls
04:54 tonsofpcs so H - V ~= 0
04:54 eadthem hail shuld be 0
04:54 tonsofpcs (it isn't spherical, but it tumbles, so CC will be around 0.8 iirc)
04:55 eadthem -.8 by chance
04:55 tonsofpcs ?
04:56 SarahM yay pretzels!
04:57 SarahM this is confusing
04:57 * SarahM goes back to nsfw
04:57 eadthem well in a area likely to have hail you can see some .8 stuf
04:57 eadthem and you then see some -.8 stuff where the hail spike would be
04:58 eadthem for witch there is only a weak horazontal return
04:59 lwq1996 i think boden should own the internet
04:59 eadthem tonsofpcs,  not sure ZDR is that helpful
04:59 eadthem i mean it is in some areas
05:00 tonsofpcs ZDR is helpful to determine precip type and if a reflection area is precip or organic.
05:00 eadthem it seams to do better for that
05:00 eadthem not that great for hail
05:01 lwq1996 .seen pokno
05:01 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen pokno around.
05:01 lwq1996 of fuck you
05:01 lwq1996 .seen ponko
05:01 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw Ponko 2.97 hours ago at 2012-04-15 02:03:17 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:01:22 UTC
05:01 tonsofpcs http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dualpol/SOTM/Oct2011/player.html shows use of CC and ZDR to confirm tornado
05:01 BotSteve Title: October 2011 Storm of the Month
05:01 eadthem it dose nice at showing where the ground clutter is
05:01 tonsofpcs (presume?)
05:02 tonsofpcs eadthem: yea, I don't see it online, but the slide show we were shown at the NWS had a nice example of a storm forming with some birds going by on one side.  traditional products made the birds look like rain, ZDR made it look like irrelevant reflections
05:03 eadthem irrelvent reflections as in realy high numbers
05:03 eadthem or realy low
05:03 eadthem that video didnt load
05:04 tonsofpcs i don't recall
05:04 tonsofpcs http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dualpol/outreach/ it's the oct 2011 one -- when it wasn't loading here, closing browser and reopening got it
05:04 BotSteve Title: National Weather Service - Warning Decision Training Branch
05:08 eadthem nope
05:08 eadthem i have flash installed
05:08 eadthem but it wont load any of the videos
05:08 eadthem off to bed  cya
05:09 tonsofpcs g'nite (same here)
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05:11 lwq1996 hi steve!
05:23 exor674 dear #thegeekgroup, am I insane?
05:24 exor674 it is currently 37f/3c outside and raining probably almost snowing
05:24 exor674 I want to go out and dance in it >_>
05:24 lwq1996 i dont know you enough
05:24 lwq1996 go do it then!
05:25 SarahM no don't
05:25 SarahM you'll fall!
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05:26 SarahM exor674 don't fall!
05:27 exor674 SarahM: that or get runned over by a car
05:27 exor674 as it is 11:30pm
05:27 SarahM lol
05:27 exor674 and dark outside
05:27 SarahM yes
05:27 SarahM don't
05:27 SarahM !
05:27 tehdark45 its a SarahM
05:27 exor674 I may go put on something warm and check my mail
05:27 exor674 because I haven't done that this week /o
05:27 SarahM good idea
05:27 SarahM oh noes its a tehdark!
05:28 tehdark45 shit!
05:28 tehdark45 where?
05:28 SarahM in canuckistan!
05:28 tehdark45 Oh noes
05:28 SarahM ik
05:28 tehdark45 around cup time too
05:28 tehdark45 i hope he lives
05:29 tehdark45 lol
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05:37 lwq1996 hi jess :)
05:37 KawaiiJess Hola
05:42 SarahM hi jess!
05:45 KawaiiJess Anyone seen Kate in awhile
05:45 KawaiiJess ?
05:45 lwq1996 .seen katemonster
05:45 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw Katemonster 26.76 hours ago at 2012-04-14 02:59:55 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:45:21 UTC
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05:45 lwq1996 wow
05:45 tehdark45 .seen lwq1996
05:45 BotSteve tehdark45: I last saw lwq1996 0.00 hours ago at 2012-04-15 05:45:26 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:45:29 UTC
05:45 tehdark45 :P
05:45 * lwq1996 grabs his gun and points it at tehdark
05:45 Hackbun .seen Hackbat
05:45 BotSteve Hackbun: I last saw Hackbat 49.49 hours ago at 2012-04-13 04:16:24 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 05:45:53 UTC
05:45 lwq1996 MONEY IN THE BAG NOW
05:46 Hackbun .seen money
05:46 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen money around.
05:46 Hackbun no money here
05:46 * tehdark45 already killed lwq1996 cuse he is a ninja
05:46 Hackbun Well that was stupid
05:46 Hackbun now you're going to jail
05:46 SarahM i'm so bored i want to sleep BUT I CANNOT SLEEP TILL 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:46 lwq1996 WHY?\
05:47 exor674 SarahM: *entertains you*
05:47 SarahM I"M WORKING
05:47 * KawaiiJess beats the shit out of everyone with the butt of her Grade A solid Maple pool cue :D
05:47 SarahM o.O
05:47 lwq1996 you being a sitter?
05:47 * SarahM hides
05:47 SarahM pretty much
05:47 SarahM old person sitter!
05:47 tehdark45 SarahM is geezer sitting
05:47 lwq1996 my mom hates that job. atleast you get to be on a laptop my mom couldnt
05:48 SarahM i um ran a wire from her router/modem to my computer
05:49 lwq1996 -blink blink-
05:49 tehdark45 lwq1996, you
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05:51 SarahM i also have books, movies on my external, tv shows, green beans, pretzels, jewelry making supplies and work stuff to do online....
05:51 SarahM i should get that done
05:51 dexter12353 lol
05:51 SarahM otherwise i lose part of my jo
05:51 SarahM b
05:53 KawaiiJess lwq1996, I've been waiting for days to tell Kate I finally ordered my knives
05:54 lwq1996 lol. wait till they come and show her. and sexy girls with knives :P wait... are they kitchen knives?
05:54 KawaiiJess Lol no. Though I do plan to order a butcher knife shortly
05:54 KawaiiJess I bought a GI Tanto and a Leatherman Charge AL
05:54 SarahM "could not continue scan with NOLOCk due to data movement" ?!
05:54 * lwq1996 makes note not to piss off jess and not to tell her where he lives
05:55 KawaiiJess Lol
05:55 SarahM lol
05:55 KawaiiJess I'm kind of excited for the Tanto. Kate already has one. The thing is a 7" blade and a 5" handle
05:55 KawaiiJess Pretty legit
05:56 lwq1996 is it like a fucking machete or something?
05:56 KawaiiJess lwq1996, http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-Tanto-Secure-Ex-Sheath/dp/B004H9DO4Y
05:56 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Cold Steel GI Tanto Knife with Secure-Ex Sheath: Sports & Outdoors
05:57 SarahM they would like us to use firefox 1.5.  who the HELL usese firefox 1.5 anymore?!  or IE 6.x?!
05:57 lwq1996 i kinda want one now
05:57 KawaiiJess Right? They're cheap as hell and they can take a serious beating
05:57 lwq1996 lol. schools ar thing makes us use ei
05:58 KawaiiJess The guy closed his Youtube acct, but some guy spent like an hour beating the fuck out of the blade and it was still functional when he was done
05:58 lwq1996 whats the standard issue military knife?
05:59 KawaiiJess Not sure
05:59 masterofmonks That depends.
05:59 KawaiiJess Could be these Tantos
05:59 KawaiiJess *shrugs*
05:59 lwq1996 random monk comes out from the shadows
05:59 SarahM he's always watching
05:59 SarahM creepily
06:00 lwq1996 he watches you while you sleep. he knows when your awake. he knows if you been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake
06:00 SarahM he's like santa
06:00 masterofmonks Like santa with a branding iron.
06:00 lwq1996 though monks isnt fat
06:01 masterofmonks Fat enough.
06:01 lwq1996 lol
06:01 KawaiiJess lwq1996, http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?15663-Current-US-Army-Issued-Knife
06:01 BotSteve Title: Current US Army Issued Knife
06:01 SarahM well, we don't know if monks is fat....only CaptainNiobe knows
06:02 KawaiiJess There are a few mentioned, but the most mentioned one looks to be about a 4" blade made by Benchmade
06:02 lwq1996 those are nice knives
06:02 lwq1996 though looks like they got shitty handles
06:04 lwq1996 hey whats class? -wispers- it means you dont act like niggers
06:04 lwq1996 got to love the boondocks
06:05 * masterofmonks gives lwq1996 the look.
06:05 * SarahM does same
06:05 * tehdark45 stares at everyone
06:05 * lwq1996 bows his head in shame
06:06 SarahM you used a bad word!
06:06 KawaiiJess lwq1996, here's the multitool I bought: http://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-830669-Charge-Nylon-Sheath/dp/B000LG9YUU
06:06 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Leatherman 830669 Charge AL with Nylon Sheath and Gift Tin: Home Improvement
06:06 lwq1996 hey, a black guy told me this. "there are black people, then there are N words"
06:07 lwq1996 if i ever go into the armed forces im taking a gerber
06:07 masterofmonks lwq1996, however it is a prejorative, and as such we don't use it here.
06:07 KawaiiJess All the Gerber multitools were kinda blah when Kate and I were looking
06:07 tehdark45 they most likly issue you with one lee
06:07 * SarahM has a leatherman for FREE from cpro!
06:08 lwq1996 i quoted it from a show monks
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06:09 lwq1996 i think everything that is tools should be orange
06:10 * lwq1996 might be a little loopy
06:17 * SarahM needs a laptop cooler, this computer is HOT
06:17 SarahM hi hive-mind!
06:27 lwq1996 SarahM: how long till you leave :P
06:27 SarahM 8am
06:27 lwq1996 damnit :/ i thought i could get you to count
06:27 SarahM ?
06:27 SarahM https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561877_305192189549092_147167758684870_682873_2018467565_n.jpg
06:27 lwq1996 the time till you leave
06:28 SarahM no thanks
06:30 KawaiiJess lwq1996, here's the chef's knife I'm going to buy: http://www.amazon.com/Kyocera-Revolution-Series-6-Inch-Chefs/dp/B0017U1RFO/ref=lh_ni_t
06:30 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Kyocera Revolution Series 6-Inch Chef's Knife, White Blade: Kitchen & Dining
06:31 lwq1996 thats nothing. my moms got a big 8in meat cleaver
06:31 KawaiiJess I'm not trying to show off... Lol
06:31 lwq1996 lol
06:31 KawaiiJess That's the cheapest Kyocera ceramic chef knife on Amazon
06:31 lwq1996 it will show the men (or ladies) whos boss
06:32 KawaiiJess Apparently that thing will still be as sharp a year after use as it is the day you buy it if you care for it
06:37 KawaiiJess lwq1996, I'm a bit scared of the ceramic knife lol
06:37 lwq1996 lol
06:37 KawaiiJess All the people commenting are basically saying it's disgustingly sharp
06:37 lwq1996 they stay sharp
06:37 KawaiiJess Including people on other websites
06:37 SarahM paris hiltons face fell off fyi
06:37 lwq1996 they will stay sharp
06:37 KawaiiJess I'm scared I'll drop it on my foot or something
06:38 lwq1996 just watch out and hold it with a firm grip and youll be fine
06:38 SarahM just....don't kill thyself!
06:39 KawaiiJess What's cool is apparently most of the companies that sell the knives offer free sharpening when you need it since ceramic knives are so damn hard and require such finesse when sharpening
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06:42 SarahM .radar tgg
06:42 BotSteve SarahM: No such location, or can't find radar data
06:42 SarahM .radar kgrr
06:42 BotSteve SarahM: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=GRR&amp;product=NCR&amp;overlay=11101111&amp;loop=yes
06:43 SarahM hi mantere!
06:43 SarahM holy crap
06:43 SarahM look at that, why don't you
06:43 SarahM storms are a comin
06:43 SarahM my lady is scared of thunder, what do i do?
06:43 KawaiiJess You have to question the integrity of a product on Amazon when it says in the product title "Colors may vary"
06:44 SarahM lol
06:44 KawaiiJess http://www.amazon.com/Lansky-Quick-Pocket-Sharpener-colors/dp/B000B8JDT0/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_ttl_in
06:44 * SarahM throws a party for exor674!!!!! :D
06:44 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Lansky Quick Fix Pocket Sharpener (colors may vary): Sports & Outdoors
06:44 SarahM .cookie exor674!
06:44 BotSteve Here you go, exor674!, I baked you a banana walnut cookie!
06:45 SarahM .shake exor674
06:45 BotSteve Here you go, exor674, I made you a M&M shake!
06:45 SarahM .cake exor674
06:45 BotSteve Here you go, exor674, I baked you a cherry and almond cake!
06:45 SarahM .pie exor674
06:45 BotSteve Here you go, exor674, I made you a peacan pie!
06:45 SarahM there.  food for the party!
06:45 exor674 hee, except 3/4ths of that would kill me :(
06:46 SarahM bah
06:46 SarahM .bacon exor674!
06:47 SarahM here you go exor, bacon!
06:47 SarahM you allergic to nuts?
06:53 einball morning :o)
06:53 einball 's sunday :)
06:53 exor674 yeah
06:53 exor674 pretty much everything except peanuts,
06:54 SarahM well then why do you hang out here?  we're all nuts...
06:54 einball ;)
06:54 SarahM but seriously.  congrats
06:56 SarahM wooooo lightning!
06:59 exor674 Eeeee!?
06:59 SarahM i like it!  but the lady i'm taking care of doesn't like thunder :shrug:
07:00 SarahM just hope its not too loud
07:05 exor674 heh, I was still Eeeeeeeing at what I got :P
07:05 exor674 but thunder is eee worthy too
07:05 exor674 as long as the power stays on
07:05 SarahM yes
07:05 SarahM i don't like no power
07:05 exor674 which might happen hah
07:05 SarahM then i have to um.....watch things with out being able to talk to zozo :(
07:05 exor674 the garage lights are flickering /o\
07:06 SarahM :/
07:06 exor674 at least my UPS hasn't flipped the fuck out yet
07:06 exor674 so *my* power is fairly stable
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07:07 Seroster GGR, active?
07:07 SarahM oh no its sero!
07:07 * SarahM hides
07:09 einball Does powerloss actually happen once a while over there SarahM ?
07:10 SarahM yeah
07:10 einball hmm
07:10 einball What's the reason?
07:10 SarahM depends on more if the power lines are above ground or inground
07:10 SarahM storms, people driving into powerlines, etc
07:10 einball Here in germany we have almost no power outtage
07:10 einball -t
07:10 DamianZ Germany is awesome though.
07:11 einball err - no ;)
07:11 DamianZ Well the beer is ;)
07:11 einball err - yes ;)
07:11 DamianZ Actually belgium beer is better but germany is pretty good.
07:11 SarahM what, guinness and heinekin? :P
07:11 einball guinnes ... heineken... LOL
07:12 einball Is that beer? ^^
07:12 SarahM its what america considers german beer :P
07:12 DamianZ I argue that larger doesn't count as beer and guinness defo isn't.
07:12 einball oh my gosh ...
07:12 DamianZ Ignoring that guinness is irish...
07:12 einball SarahM: Let me enlighten you: THIS IS NO REAL BEER :D
07:13 einball there are things out there, I'd consider being "beer"
07:13 einball but surely not heineken or guiness
07:13 SarahM there are things out there thats piss in a can too!
07:14 einball Its funny .. the bavarian people come to baden wuerttemberg and thing they can drink their 6 or 7 wheat beer
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07:14 Seroster tgg|yNos, You there?
07:14 DamianZ I wish I could remember what the dark german beer I had a while back was, it was like stout but awesome beer like.
07:14 SarahM its 3am....ynos better be asleep :P
07:14 einball But what they often don't know - We in bawu have far mor percentace than the bavarians :D
07:14 DamianZ Oh wheat beer is fun, don't try drinking that in a hurry.
07:14 einball *alcohol percentage
07:14 einball so they are drunk after two beer :[
07:15 einball It's no fun to drink with them at all ^^
07:15 Seroster I hate beer.
07:15 DamianZ Leffe and hoegaarden are funny to watch people try to down like water also.
07:15 DamianZ <3 hoegaarden
07:16 einball Iam not sure wether I drank this . It sounds familiar
07:16 DamianZ It's a Belgium wheat beer.
07:16 DamianZ Very good with a slice of lemon on a summers day.
07:16 einball uhm, rly nice ... :o)
07:17 einball Its actually quite funny - I did never drink much beer ... Until I applied for university ... :D
07:17 NeWtoz Kanar
07:17 Seroster Cats aint supposed to sleep on computers....
07:17 einball Now its more like "Hey young kids, you want to challenge me?" and after half an hour I outdrank them.
07:18 einball Seroster: Kepping ur keyboardz warm :)
07:18 einball *keeping
07:18 DamianZ Yeah, my friends have learned not to try and keep up with me :D
07:18 NeWtoz sounds like a loose loose game
07:18 DamianZ Anyway, I'm off climbing for the day so bbl.
07:18 Seroster Yeah, keeping the "sleep" button warm too
07:19 einball NeWtoz: it is, yes .. but its their problem if they challenge me.
07:19 einball I never ask for a challenge .. or for much alcohol. When I feel I get drunk, I'll stop drinking ;)
07:20 einball I've been to Iron Sky last night .. lmao ... :D
07:21 einball The plot is quite boring but they made a joke of everyone ..
07:21 einball The indians with their swastika .. the russioans with their mir ... Terminator .. Star Trek ... :D
07:21 einball -o
07:22 NeWtoz Chekov!
07:22 einball (But you have to have quite detailed knowledge about politics if you want to understand all the fine details and anecdotes)
07:22 SarahM yay storms.  i don't want loud claps of thunder, they'll wake my client.  but i like seeing the lightning!
07:23 einball Seroster: i know that feeling
07:23 einball It's like ... "NOO WHAT YOU DID THERE!? ITS DEAD"
07:23 einball or like "WHAT THE FUCK HIT THE POWER BUTTON?!?"
07:23 Seroster Errr
07:24 einball :P
07:24 KawaiiJess Does anyone have a suggestion for a 3 piece computer speaker system?
07:25 SarahM yay caffeine!
07:25 KawaiiJess I'm on amazon looking at Bose, but I can't justify $300+
07:28 NeWtoz for a computer, I couldn't justify it, unless you watch movies on it
07:29 KawaiiJess I do, but I need a new laptop before sound with movies becomes a determining factor
07:30 lwq1996 night SarahM. im going to bed. have fun for the next 4hours and 30min
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07:30 SarahM thanks lee.  i'm sure i'll have fun.  i'm fb stalking my mom, she's working too!
07:31 lwq1996 thats kinda creepy o.o
07:31 KawaiiJess The ones I have do technically still work, but they're 2.1 Sony speakers from 1992 and they're doing shit like having crossover audio and random static sfx
07:32 lwq1996 anyway. night everyone
07:33 SarahM night
07:34 Seroster KawaiiJess, get some cheap shit
07:34 KawaiiJess Fuck that
07:35 KawaiiJess I listen to music a lot and often loud. I don't want shitty speakers
07:36 NeWtoz I just went from some really cheap speakers to a nice set, and you will notice the difference
07:36 KawaiiJess I don't want them unless I can play them so loud they hurt my ears and the audio is still great
07:36 NeWtoz and I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't ever recommend a cheap set again
07:37 SarahM high of 75 on sunday?!
07:37 SarahM but thunderstorms
07:37 SarahM odd
07:38 SarahM its raining.  the watering need indicator is HIGH.  why?!  its RAINING.  we shouldn't need to WATER
07:39 Nekoroms morning...
07:39 SarahM hi Nekoroms
07:39 Seroster Watering indicator?
07:39 Seroster WTF.
07:39 Nekoroms cat has way too much energy at night..
07:40 SarahM lol
07:40 Seroster You know how you know you need to water your crop? Stick your fucking finger in the ground, if it comes out moist you don't need to water...
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07:40 SarahM lol ik
07:40 SarahM hi Chipguy!
07:40 Chipguy morning SarahM
07:40 SarahM whats new with you?
07:41 Nekoroms and i might have a small hangover..
07:41 KawaiiJess Here's what I'm looking at NeWtoz: http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMedia-Certified-Computer-Speaker/dp/B000062VUO/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1334475182&amp;sr=1-3
07:41 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Computer Speaker System (Black): Electronics
07:42 SarahM Nekoroms: what were you drinking?
07:42 Nekoroms overpiced speakers
07:42 SarahM lol @ sequence
07:42 Nekoroms SarahM: nothing much... but cat waking me up like 6 times has the same effect
07:42 SarahM ahhhhh
07:43 * SarahM is "old people sitting" as lee called it
07:43 Nekoroms i like my sleep to be continuous..
07:43 SarahM most do
07:46 KawaiiJess FYI, the speakers are 35 watt each and the sub is 130 Nekoroms
07:46 Nekoroms watts doesnt matter
07:47 Nekoroms sound quality is the importat factor
07:47 Nekoroms and price
07:47 Nekoroms most home computer speakers are loud enough
07:47 KawaiiJess Well, they are THX certified
07:48 Nekoroms yeh its a sticker that anyone can buy
07:48 Nekoroms with enough money
07:48 KawaiiJess True, but it is also Klipsch brand
07:48 KawaiiJess They don't really need to do something low ball like that
07:49 KawaiiJess Klipsch and Bose are the go to speaker companies when it comes to high end audio
07:49 Nekoroms sound something different to me..
07:49 Nekoroms *sounds
07:49 KawaiiJess ?
07:50 Electricguy or zachry, cerwin vega, B&W, paradyme, audiopro..
07:51 Nekoroms usually one can find equally good stuff for way less money
07:52 KawaiiJess Err, I've never heard of any of those brands and Amazon doesn't carry a single one :<
07:52 Nekoroms PA speakars mostly
07:52 SarahM jess, he's in europe, that might be why :P
07:52 KawaiiJess Ah
07:52 KawaiiJess PA?
07:52 Nekoroms i would look for Logitech for computer speaker stuff
07:52 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: simple.. pro audio speakers
07:53 Electricguy KawaiiJess, that's beccause real, good speakers are not supplied by amazon. they are supplied by audio specialist shops. the stuff you can find on amazon is mostly consumer junk
07:53 KawaiiJess This is true
07:54 KawaiiJess It wouldn't be on Amazon if it couldn't be sold
07:54 KawaiiJess And we all know how people love name brands ;)
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07:57 KawaiiJess http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_keywords_2?rh=n%3A172282%2Cp_72%3A1248879011%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_4%3ALogitech%2Cn%3AÖ93964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A172456%2Cn%3A172471%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A2883362011&bbn=172471&sort=reviewrank_authority&ie=UTF8&qid=1334476580&rnid=2883337011
07:57 KawaiiJess Logitech speakers aren't exactly cheap either
07:58 Nekoroms well we have here a 40 euro set and its completely okay
07:58 KawaiiJess *shrugs*
07:58 electricguy_ logitech is the worst shit ever.. don't buy it
07:58 electricguy_ not worth the money
07:59 KawaiiJess ^
07:59 KawaiiJess There's a reason I was looking at Klipsch/Bose
07:59 electricguy_ ok, if you think logitech is ok.. go to bed :P
07:59 electricguy_ we are clearly in different worlds when it comes to audio equipment XD
07:59 KawaiiJess Who are you talking to electricguy_?
08:00 electricguy_ who was the one just stating to have a 40 dollar logitech system? XD
08:00 KawaiiJess Oh gotcha
08:01 Nekoroms yeh its completely okay for sitting at desk to get sound out of computer
08:01 KawaiiJess Clearly you did not hear me say I want high quality audio because I listen to 320kbps mp3 audio
08:01 KawaiiJess I want to hear that quality come across on the speakers
08:01 Nekoroms i would have had to pay something like 5 times more to get noticeable upgrades
08:02 KawaiiJess Otherwise I would just download everything in V2 and call it a day because I don't give a shit
08:02 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: so you need studio monitors
08:02 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: behringer truth
08:02 Nekoroms would be the best fit
08:02 electricguy_ Nekoroms, look for second hand stuff on ebay. you'll get stuff that's lightyears better for the same price
08:03 Nekoroms electricguy_: i dont need speakers
08:03 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: something like these
08:03 Nekoroms http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-B2030A-Active-Reference-Monitor/dp/B000Q6EHA2/ref=sr_1_244?s=musical-instruments&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1334476973&amp;sr=1-244
08:03 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: Behringer TRUTH B2030A Active 2-Way Reference Studio Monitor pair: Musical Instruments
08:03 electricguy_ no, you need a whole new system
08:03 SarahM is it can be has nap time now?
08:04 Nekoroms naps are allways good
08:04 KawaiiJess Jesus. I don't need anything that damn expensive or large
08:04 electricguy_ i thought studio monitors were speakers too..
08:04 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: for good speakers thats kinda good price
08:04 electricguy_ yeah
08:06 Nekoroms best behringer product imo
08:06 Nekoroms well.. the one mixer i have is okay..
08:06 KawaiiJess They seem pretty damn nice
08:06 Nekoroms bought it for 200 dollars with case
08:06 Nekoroms new
08:07 electricguy_ well.. behringer over all is cheap crappy junk. but for the low price, it's okey
08:07 KawaiiJess I'd never put those on my desk though. Overkill
08:07 KawaiiJess Not to mention I don't have the room
08:08 electricguy_ there is no such thing as overkill :)
08:08 Nekoroms electricguy_: yes there is
08:08 KawaiiJess I think it's funny the shipping weight on those Behringer speakers is 22lbs and the 2.1 Klipsch set I'm looking at is 37lbs
08:08 electricguy_ nope :P
08:08 KawaiiJess Heavy fucking subwoofer apparently
08:08 Nekoroms made of lead
08:08 KawaiiJess Well, the heavier the better though because it means higher quality stuff :3
08:09 KawaiiJess Unless of course, there is literally a brick inside xD
08:09 Nekoroms not always
08:09 electricguy_ klipsch can't really be compared with behringer at all. its that much quality difference
08:12 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: btw for the price of klipsch speakers you could get good headphones
08:12 KawaiiJess How the hell do you even power those Behringer speakers?
08:12 electricguy_ ever heard of something called an amplifier?
08:13 Nekoroms and active speakers
08:13 KawaiiJess So you have to buy the amp, the two speakers, and the sub before you've got a 2.1 setup then am I correct?
08:13 Nekoroms like those truthes are..
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08:15 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: is it mandatory to have 2.1 system
08:15 KawaiiJess Well what's the fun in a pair of speakers if there's no heavy bass when listening to music? D:
08:15 KawaiiJess Especially if it's some nasty ass dubstep or something
08:16 Experimentonomen *yawn*guten morgen jungs
08:16 Nekoroms electricguy_: dont die just yet
08:16 Nekoroms Experimentonomen: morning
08:18 electricguy_ nah i'm not dead. i just kinda lost interest when seeing klipsch being compared with behringer
08:19 KawaiiJess Here's the speaker system I currently own, but in black: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-2-SPEAKERS-SUBWOOFER-JAPAN-SRS-D2-SRS-002PC-/120763199119
08:19 BotSteve Title: SONY 2 SPEAKERS SUBWOOFER JAPAN SRS-D2 SRS-002PC | eBay
08:19 SarahM the bell went dingdingdingding and i went "better go help mrs m!"  so i went....and she's doing fine.  needed assistance to go to the bathroom.  she's so cute
08:19 Experimentonomen theres no comparing hifi with pa, its tho completely different leagues with completely different goals
08:19 Nekoroms whow...
08:19 * electricguy_ pukes on the inside after seeing these sony speakers
08:20 KawaiiJess My dad bought the setup when he was TTY in Japan shortly after I was born and gave them to me when I was like 17
08:20 KawaiiJess They're around 20 years old
08:20 electricguy_ still.. just.. NO! :P
08:21 KawaiiJess Well you can see why I would like to upgrade
08:21 Nekoroms i have one of those 90's plastic cans for talkback speakers..
08:22 Nekoroms not near enough loud so they are going to fly into trash
08:22 Experimentonomen KawaiiJess: http://i.imgur.com/85ag7.jpg <-- my audio rig
08:23 KawaiiJess Sexy
08:23 Nekoroms http://nekoroms.1g.fi/kuvat/random/Rcf+Art310705/rcf-7.jpg
08:23 Nekoroms my smaller setup
08:25 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: those behringers are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor
08:25 BotSteve Title: Studio monitor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08:26 Electricguy yeah alesis and M-Audio is good too
08:26 Electricguy if you want some fairly small monitors that are pretty cheap and still decent. look at the M-Audio AV40
08:26 Electricguy heavy as fuck
08:27 Electricguy and nice wood cabinets
08:27 Electricguy active monitors
08:27 Nekoroms 11:15 < KawaiiJess> Well what's the fun in a pair of speakers if there's no heavy bass when listening to music? D:
08:27 Electricguy lol
08:27 Electricguy well, the AV40's got a monsterous bass response for their size
08:28 KawaiiJess Do you just not typically need a subwoofer when using monitors?
08:28 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: big speakers can handle their own bass
08:28 Electricguy if the monitors are good. no
08:28 Nekoroms KawaiiJess: small tincans cannot
08:28 Electricguy if you don't want a LOT of bass
08:28 KawaiiJess I don't
08:29 KawaiiJess Just a moderate amount
08:29 Electricguy then the AV40's are good
08:29 Electricguy they are nice for average listening. and you can probably get the neighbour to complain too
08:29 Electricguy they are amazing for their size and price
08:31 Nekoroms krk rokits have more bassier tone than most monitor speakers
08:31 electricguy_ it's not ll about base
08:31 electricguy_ M-Audio make good stuff. not logitech-like base
08:32 Nekoroms haha.. found an old pic
08:32 Nekoroms http://nekoroms.1g.fi/kuvat/tapahtumat/Summerbreeze%202008/Summerbreeze_2008-314.jpg
08:32 Nekoroms from 2008
08:33 Electricguy cute ^^
08:34 Nekoroms dont have long hair anymore
08:34 Electricguy me some month's ago http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420101_10150680561817490_757937489_9163895_1042870251_n.jpg
08:34 Seroster cya folks
08:34 Electricguy and a bad pic of my current computer/stereo setup http://i.imgur.com/UVGEk.jpg
08:35 Electricguy the creative speakers are gone
08:35 Electricguy cya Seroster
08:35 Seroster Also, Nekoroms, I have twice as long hair as you do
08:35 Electricguy i do too! between me legs! :3
08:35 Seroster did*
08:35 Electricguy not :P
08:35 Seroster Anyway. Cya
08:36 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/k8wah.jpg <-- and dat would be me
08:36 Nekoroms what i buy next is definitely some mics and truss and lights
08:37 Experimentonomen http://diymania.hv4all.com/moi.JPG <-- and an old pic of me
08:39 KawaiiJess Unless I'm mistaken, can't I just use those AV40's right out of the box? No need for an amp
08:39 Electricguy correct
08:40 Electricguy they are active monitors
08:40 Electricguy and for only around 160 bucks they are very good.
08:40 Nekoroms seems i had way too much time at that event http://nekoroms.1g.fi/kuvat/tapahtumat/Summerbreeze%202008/Summerbreeze_2008-14.jpg
08:40 KawaiiJess They've definitely peaked my interest
08:41 KawaiiJess Looks like they'd be one hell of an upgrade from the little Sony 2.1 system I have
08:41 Nekoroms you need to have the correct cable
08:41 Electricguy yeah the AV40's are totally worth the money
08:41 Electricguy they come with everything you need to hook them up to a computer/MP3 player/phone/whatever
08:41 Nekoroms ah they have cables included
08:41 Electricguy yes
08:41 Nekoroms most monitors dont have
08:42 KawaiiJess It looks like I'll be using my current set up, which is a 3.5mm to the LR whatever you call it
08:42 Electricguy just unpack them, hook them up and be happy
08:42 Electricguy yeah
08:42 KawaiiJess That's what my current system uses
08:42 Electricguy the AV40's are like a hybrid between studio monitors and consumer speakers
08:42 Electricguy and still, made by a good manufacturer
08:43 Nekoroms moer hifi sound then
08:43 Nekoroms and not just flat and infisible
08:43 Electricguy even for that low price, they play in a totally different class than regular computer speaker systems
08:43 Electricguy yeah. they just sound nice
08:43 KawaiiJess Well for $30 more than the Klipsch set I was looking at, I think I'm sold based on the customer reviews of the V40's
08:43 Electricguy yeah. you'll not regret it
08:44 Electricguy they give 20Watts per channel
08:44 Nekoroms for those plastic tincans almost anything is huge upgrade
08:44 Electricguy but REAL 20Watts
08:44 Electricguy not 600 Logitech Watts... XD
08:45 KawaiiJess Nekoroms, you keep calling them plastic tin cans, but these Sony speakers are actually pretty decent
08:45 Electricguy lol yeah. plastic speakers can't really be compared with real, nice wood ones
08:45 KawaiiJess They can be cranked up loud enough to hurt your ears and they still play the audio very clearly
08:45 Nekoroms Electricguy: i have measured 117 db's from my logitech set
08:45 KawaiiJess Unlike most computer speakers I've seen from friend's sets which sound like shit when turned up
08:46 Electricguy still.. it's LOGITECH! XD   it's horny teenager stuff :P
08:46 Nekoroms wityh a thx badge allso
08:46 Nekoroms *with
08:46 KawaiiJess I'm gonna grab them from Amazon, but they've got two versions of the AV40s
08:46 KawaiiJess http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=AV40
08:46 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: AV40
08:46 KawaiiJess Why the hell are the newer ones $60 cheaper
08:47 Electricguy get the Mk2
08:47 Electricguy good question.. weird
08:47 KawaiiJess What, the AV30?
08:47 Electricguy the smaller model
08:47 Electricguy only a 3" woofer and 15Watts per channel
08:47 Nekoroms too small for any real bass
08:48 KawaiiJess Well the "newer" AV40 is only $25 more
08:48 Electricguy yes
08:48 KawaiiJess They seem to be made by two different companies
08:48 KawaiiJess M-Audio and Avid
08:48 Nekoroms meowington says yes to av40 http://nekoroms.1g.fi/kuvat/tapahtumat/iiris%2016v/iirissynttri-7.jpg
08:49 Electricguy the real M-Audio are the ones you want
08:49 KawaiiJess Yeah. I'm thinking they fucked with the components on the Avid ones
08:50 KawaiiJess Weird. Yeah the "newer" AV40s are lighter and are only 15 watt
08:50 Electricguy hmmm. weird
08:50 Electricguy sounds like it's the smaller model of them..
08:51 KawaiiJess 6lbs difference
08:51 Electricguy maybe they fucked with the specs on amazon
08:51 Electricguy but ok, to be sure. go for the more expensive, heavy ones :P
08:51 KawaiiJess Lol
08:52 SarahM goodness jess, i think this is the most you've talked since coming here!
08:53 KawaiiJess I'd say so
08:53 KawaiiJess It's a shame Kate isn't around to admire the glory :3
08:54 Nekoroms ;)
08:54 KawaiiJess Electricguy, yeah they're made by whoever the hell Avid is because I guess people bought the knock off AV40s and complained to M-Audio, who told them they don't make any AV40s with less than 20 watts per channel
08:54 Electricguy ahh
08:54 Electricguy so it's a cheap copy then
08:54 Electricguy don
08:54 KawaiiJess Yeah
08:54 Electricguy t fucking buy them :P
08:55 Nekoroms avid makes good video stuff.. but i didnt know about speakers..
08:55 KawaiiJess Kinda fucked up they list the M-Audio set as the "older" version
08:55 Electricguy yeah
08:55 KawaiiJess The Avid set also doesn't have the Bass Boost toggle on the back
08:56 Electricguy okey
08:56 Electricguy well. just buy the real thing :)
08:56 KawaiiJess Sheesh. The knock offs are the #1 seller in Studio Monitors on Amazon
08:56 Nekoroms cheaper sels
08:56 KawaiiJess M-Audio ones are way down at #19
08:57 Nekoroms lol.. interesting concept http://www.thomann.de/fi/varytec_led_easy_move_dual_wash.htm
08:57 BotSteve Title: Varytec LED Easy Move Dual Wash - Thomann Verkkokauppa
08:59 KawaiiJess Oh shit lol
09:00 KawaiiJess Electricguy, M-Audio and Avid must have merged
09:00 KawaiiJess http://www.m-audio.com/
09:00 BotSteve Title: M-AUDIO
09:00 KawaiiJess http://www.avid.com/US/
09:00 BotSteve Title: Avid | Home
09:00 exor674 ... I don't think I can sleep /o
09:00 KawaiiJess Their home pages are almost exactly the same
09:00 Electricguy huh. looks like it
09:00 SarahM exor674: i'm not allowed to sleep
09:00 SarahM o.o
09:00 Electricguy maybe they are making a cheaper model series now too then
09:00 * exor674 is too EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE to sleep
09:01 KawaiiJess Electricguy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avid_Technology#Acquisitions
09:01 BotSteve Title: Avid Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
09:01 KawaiiJess Avid bought M-Audio back in August 2004
09:02 Experimentonomen M-Audio aint what they used to be, they were once one of the highest regarded manufacturers of studio gear, now their just another budget kinda consumer level market
09:02 Electricguy huh
09:02 Electricguy myeah. still a lot better than others though
09:02 Electricguy get the old version of the AV40's ASAP! :P
09:02 KawaiiJess Lol
09:02 KawaiiJess Before they all sell out forevar!!
09:03 Electricguy yeah! :P
09:04 Nekoroms warranty must be nonexisting
09:04 Nekoroms for that old stuf
09:04 Electricguy but why would it break?
09:05 Electricguy again, it's not logitech stuff made of plastic :)
09:06 Nekoroms usually speakers these days are made of plastic
09:06 Electricguy if they are shit, yes
09:06 Nekoroms if you haven't looked around for a while
09:06 Electricguy if they are of decent quality. NO
09:06 Nekoroms Electricguy: seems you dont know much
09:07 Electricguy lol
09:07 Electricguy you don't know jack about quality audio equipment it seems
09:07 Experimentonomen cheap speakers are usually plastic, as in those that come with them bookshelf systems
09:07 KawaiiJess Hmm. The newer AV40s have a 1/4" larger tweeter
09:07 Experimentonomen but they have been plastic pretty much since the early 90's
09:07 Electricguy but GOOD speakers are still made of wood...
09:08 Nekoroms Electricguy: plastic is used cause you can make lot more complex speaker boxes
09:08 Experimentonomen yup
09:08 KawaiiJess And compact
09:08 Electricguy speaker is used because it's cheap and way easier to manufacture and seel a lot of
09:08 Nekoroms thats so 90's view of things
09:08 Experimentonomen but plastic speakers sound tinny
09:08 Electricguy but they don't sound as good as wooden boxes
09:08 Nekoroms yes they do
09:09 Electricguy no
09:09 Nekoroms its much more HOW you build the shit than about materials
09:09 Electricguy but you need stable materials too
09:10 Nekoroms just need to know how to use them
09:10 Electricguy plastic boxes flex due to the speaker vibrations, cause all sorts of funny noises, sound pressure loss and such. a wooden box got nothing of that
09:10 Electricguy you just need to learn more about high quality audio systems :)
09:10 Nekoroms Electricguy: thats what it was 10 years go
09:10 Nekoroms *ago
09:10 Electricguy no. that's how it still is
09:10 Nekoroms not really
09:10 Electricguy look at M-Audio, paradyme, cerwin vegas and similar speakers. they are still made of wood
09:11 Experimentonomen actually plastic speakers are worse today than 10 years ago as they skimp on materials to cut costs
09:11 Nekoroms and rcf meyer sound and such make good plastic speakers
09:11 Electricguy of course, PA tops are made of plastic.. but you can't compare PA with hifi stuff. they are 2 totally different worlds
09:12 Nekoroms btw all genelec monitor speakers are plastic
09:12 Nekoroms and they are the best of best
09:12 Electricguy all hifi speakers made of plastic are crap.. more or less crap, depending on what you compare with
09:12 Experimentonomen pa speakers are designed to be LOUD, not to sound good
09:12 Electricguy yes
09:12 Nekoroms there are crap speakers made with any material almost
09:12 Nekoroms and good ones too
09:13 Electricguy all speakers made of plastic may be "good" for the average person. but if you want something that really sounds good.. it's not made of plastic anymore..
09:13 Experimentonomen most pa speakers quite frankly sound like total horse shit when hooked up in a home environment and given music
09:13 Electricguy indeed
09:13 KawaiiJess Electricguy, old: http://maudio.be/images/av40back.jpg  new: http://www.newschoolaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/M-Audio-Studiophile-AV40-Back.jpg
09:13 Experimentonomen their meantr to reporoduce individual instrruments much like the driver in a guitar amp
09:13 Nekoroms Experimentonomen: ofcourse cause they are not designed to fork there
09:13 Electricguy still, look at some GOOD quality speaker brands.. they got no speakers made of plastic.
09:13 Nekoroms *work
09:14 Nekoroms so you are saying genelec is no good
09:14 Electricguy KawaiiJess, get the old ones! =)
09:14 KawaiiJess I'm just torn because it's such a difference in price :<
09:14 Electricguy genelec studio monitors are made of cast aluminum...
09:14 Experimentonomen "genelec" certainly sounds like a cheapo brand from walmart
09:14 Nekoroms but not wood
09:14 Nekoroms what you all were saying
09:15 Electricguy enelec is _THE_ shit for studio monitors
09:15 Electricguy cast alu is about as good as wood. and you CAN'T compare genelec with plastic speakers! -,-
09:15 Electricguy it just doesn't work...
09:17 Experimentonomen i wonder what the diff is between studio monitors and hifi speakers
09:17 Nekoroms Experimentonomen: smiley eq
09:17 Electricguy comparing genelec with plastic speakers is like trying to win a drag race with a bicycle with flat tires
09:18 Nekoroms small smiley eq's live in hifi speakers
09:18 Electricguy studio monitors are supposed to sound more neutral
09:18 Experimentonomen unless hifi is just like high end which is coloring the sound in some way or another while studio monitors are made to be flat from 20hz to 20khz to give an acfurate picture of the sound when mastering and such
09:18 Nekoroms Experimentonomen: thats spot on
09:19 Experimentonomen but then again studio monitors are near field wheres hifi is pretty much minimum distance of a few meters
09:19 Electricguy yeah
09:19 Nekoroms there are special near field monitors
09:19 Electricguy studio monitors are pretty much a BIG AS SET OF HEADPHONES compared to regular hifi stuff
09:19 Nekoroms most are not
09:19 Electricguy ASS*
09:20 Experimentonomen try hearfild with hifi speakers and its just sounds like arse, then move back one meter and the sound changes like day and night
09:20 Electricguy made for like 1-2 meters distance
09:21 Electricguy my AudioPro speakers work extremely well as monitors. even if they are hifi speakers
09:21 Electricguy but they are not that big.. only a 5/25" mid/woof and a 1" tweeter
09:21 Electricguy the sub on the floor takes the rest
09:23 Experimentonomen that audiopro amp was not part of the audiopro system u have, was it ?
09:23 Electricguy nope
09:23 Electricguy just a lucky find in a junkpile :)
09:24 Experimentonomen i guess not even the right era
09:24 Electricguy and i was DAMN lucky that it was so easy to rip all the broken old microcontroller stuff out of it and just use the amp part
09:24 Electricguy nah. the amp is from 1978 (state of the art back then)
09:24 Electricguy and the speakers from the early 90's
09:24 KawaiiJess Electricguy, the older version is in my shopping cart :P
09:24 Electricguy nice! :D
09:25 KawaiiJess I'm gonna wait to buy them so I can talk to Kate about the chef knife and sharpener and it's the weekend so it's not like they'd move anywhere overnight anyways
09:25 Electricguy the AudioPro amp was around 1774 bucks back in '78.. a lot of money back then
09:25 Electricguy hehe okey :)
09:25 Experimentonomen that today is about what the high end stuff is
09:26 Experimentonomen like krell and accuphase and what not
09:26 KawaiiJess G'night
09:26 Electricguy yeah
09:26 Electricguy night night
09:26 Experimentonomen cya jess
09:26 KawaiiJess Thanks for the help Nekoroms Electricguy Experimentonomen ^_^
09:26 Electricguy no prob! :)
09:26 * Experimentonomen yawns *
09:27 Nekoroms doh where could i rent 10 projectors with about the same specs
09:27 Nekoroms seems impossible
09:27 Experimentonomen my morning has had a rough start :/ from around 4 in the morning and pretty much constat until 8 in the morning, the neighbour below me had a huge fight with lots of yelling and screaming
09:28 Experimentonomen im actually chocked it dident end in murder
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09:29 Electricguy oh crap
09:29 Experimentonomen at times there were screams that u only hear in movires where body parts are cut off
09:30 Experimentonomen i dunno what they were doing but they were banging on walls or something hard enuf that everything in my apartment rattled
09:31 Electricguy o_O
09:33 Experimentonomen by the end of it i was like "go get a knife and just get it overwith"
09:33 Experimentonomen i was waiting for the sound of that actually
09:35 Experimentonomen almost 6 hours of yelling and slamming doors :/
09:37 Experimentonomen i guess i should have called the cops bu i dont wanna get involved, but if it goes to court, im likely to get called in as a witness anyways
09:38 Experimentonomen i may even end up with charges for not calling the cops
09:44 Electricguy myeah it's better to stay outside of that crap as long as possible
09:44 Electricguy even if it's very tempting to go in and stop it all
09:45 tehdark45 if you get a knock, you were out that night ;)
09:45 Electricguy lol
09:46 tehdark45 lying is the best way to win (by win I mean get your ass thrown in jail for obstructiong justice)
09:47 Experimentonomen well sometimes u can be considered a participant uf u were in the same building and not calling the cops
09:47 Electricguy myeah.. true
09:47 Experimentonomen atleast in the states
09:47 tehdark45 you were lsitening to loud music :P
09:49 tehdark45 i think the bigger question is why did no one else call the cops?
09:52 Experimentonomen looks like i was the only other resident home
09:53 DruidicSniper In some dates If two people attemt a home invasion say EG and dark
09:53 DruidicSniper and one of them gets shot dead by the would be victim
09:54 DruidicSniper because the death occured while committing a felony
09:54 DruidicSniper if the victim shoots EG dead dark would be guilty of Murder
09:55 tehdark45 *cough* in canada
09:55 tehdark45 :P
09:57 tehdark45 So does US want you yet DruidicSniper
09:58 DruidicSniper i have the paper work
09:58 tehdark45 You know whats funny
09:58 DruidicSniper moms been in the hospital for like a freaking week
09:58 tehdark45 I can get an ESTA
09:58 tehdark45 and be in the US shortly
09:58 tehdark45 :P
09:59 tehdark45 is she gona be ok?
10:05 SarahM *yawn*
10:07 tehdark45 SarahM emerges
10:07 Sgt_Lemming woot!
10:07 SarahM she's been here....
10:08 Sgt_Lemming flew my RC plane today for the first time in a while
10:08 SarahM hiding in nsfw because convo here confuses her
10:08 Sgt_Lemming first time I've flown this one without crashing it as well
10:08 DruidicSniper in time
10:08 Sgt_Lemming I did have an unintenional landing, but it just flopped onto some long grass so it was fine
10:09 DruidicSniper I am kinda hoping before i die to be able to build my own space plane
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10:21 mashpriborintorg hiya
10:21 SarahM hi frenchie!
10:22 mashpriborintorg seems quiet here
10:23 SarahM yeah
10:23 SarahM i'm kinda tired
10:23 * tehdark45 sends 9000KW to SarahM
10:23 tehdark45 did that help?
10:23 mashpriborintorg lol I saw a guy looking like Sparky at the fleamarket, bying lots of old electronic stuff
10:24 SarahM no?
10:24 SarahM lol thats funny
10:24 mashpriborintorg he has a clone :p
10:24 SarahM some dude from prison is discussing ubuntu and sp1 of xp in nsfw
10:24 SarahM i think i need an adult
10:24 tehdark45 SarahM, you are 25
10:24 tehdark45 >.>
10:25 SarahM i know.  even adults need adults sometimes....
10:25 mashpriborintorg last yeah this guy did buy half of my stand :p
10:25 tehdark45 well SarahM I am an adult
10:25 tehdark45 :)
10:25 SarahM no
10:26 SarahM i'll take masterofmonks over you....or CaptainNiobe
10:26 SarahM even sero, possibly
10:26 tehdark45 lol
10:26 tehdark45 possiblly
10:26 CaptainNiobe everything alright?
10:26 tehdark45 ahh it is a CaptainNiobe
10:27 SarahM some dude from prison is discussing ubuntu and sp1 of xp in nsfw
10:27 SarahM i said i needed an adult
10:27 SarahM and matt pointed out i am an adult
10:27 SarahM i dunno
10:27 SarahM i'm tired and i have an hour and a half to go~!
10:27 CaptainNiobe where's sero? i don't have ops in :nsfw...
10:28 tehdark45 woot
10:28 SarahM he's at school
10:28 SarahM some dude just randomly clicking channels in xchat joins....and its not egrsteve
10:28 tehdark45 lol
10:28 CaptainNiobe lol... you sure about that? :P
10:29 SarahM this guy is on clearwire, i doubt steve would pay for internet
10:29 SarahM via a shitty company
10:31 Sgt_Lemming lol, poor gecko tried to get a moth that was a bit too bit
10:31 Sgt_Lemming big*
10:31 Sgt_Lemming moth flapped and whapped his head against the glass a few times
10:31 SarahM lol
10:33 Sgt_Lemming saw the movement and looked up just in time to see and hear the geckos head go "whap whap whap" on the glass
10:34 CaptainNiobe noisy night at home, lemming? :P
10:34 Sgt_Lemming not really, I just enjoy watching the geckos on my window
10:35 CaptainNiobe back in my old place at new farm, they used to scare the living daylights out of me y jumping off the outdoor light onto a windchime under it :P
10:35 Sgt_Lemming lol
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10:57 SarahM wb
11:07 tehdark45 dubstep?
11:07 tehdark45 lol
11:10 SarahM no, thats wub wub
11:10 SarahM i feel ill.....gah
11:10 SarahM and i should get off the internet
11:14 tehdark45 SarahM, well you are a hack
11:14 tehdark45 so yeah you should
11:14 tehdark45 :P
11:19 tehdark45 ok peoples i will tak to you later
11:24 NeWtoz same, I want to go curtain shopping
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12:44 Electricguy damn sundays...
12:44 Electricguy headache and bored as heck! -,-
12:45 mashpriborintorg and fleamarkets
12:45 mashpriborintorg found a vintagr Hameg o'scope and a vindage led display digital multimeter
12:45 mashpriborintorg *vintage
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12:46 Electricguy nice
12:46 mashpriborintorg both in average to poor condition tho
12:46 Electricguy oki
12:46 mashpriborintorg to sure what to do with them
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13:29 eadthem witchita tornaod wasnt as bad as it looked
13:29 eadthem alot of damage
13:30 eadthem but more due to the longjevity  than severity
13:35 eadthem brb
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14:11 Electricguy balls! this wart removal stuff really hurts...
14:11 Electricguy feels like my thumb is about to rott away...
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14:15 mashpriborintorg not fun :p
14:15 masterofmonks Electricguy, What is the active ingredient?
14:15 Electricguy no idea
14:15 Electricguy gonna see if it says on the bottle..
14:18 Electricguy nom. lots of yummy things.. Salicylic acid, Nitrocellulose, ethanol and ether
14:18 masterofmonks Nitrocelulose?
14:18 masterofmonks It's explosive?
14:19 Electricguy perhaps.. i start to wonder too :P
14:19 Electricguy as nitrocellulose seems to be the same as flas paper /guncotton..
14:36 masterofmonks Electricguy, got a match?
14:36 Electricguy yes. but it's not much left in the bottle and i kinda need it to fight evil on my thumb :P
14:36 masterofmonks Ah.
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15:28 Electricguy it took all night and half a day to charge the big LiPo cell..
15:28 Electricguy with the bench PSU
15:28 Electricguy giving the charger 250mA
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15:28 BitViper wimp, give it some real juice =P
15:29 Electricguy say tyhat to the little charger circuit :P not to me ;)
15:29 BitViper so make your own
15:29 Electricguy naah :P
15:29 Electricguy this little one is pretty handy
15:29 mashpriborintorg Hi SparkyProjects, i have something to tell you: you have a clone in France
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15:30 SparkyProjects A clone ?
15:30 mashpriborintorg a guy just looking similar to you, who goes into the fleamarkers with a bicycle and a small trailer, and who buys lots of old electronics
15:32 mashpriborintorg last year he purchased half of my items on the fleamarket down my building, and I saw him again this morning
15:38 Electricguy i admire this elephant http://www.quiterly.com/5674/no-way?ref=nf
15:41 * Experimentonomen is trying decipher page 15 of this pdf: http://epubl.ltu.se/1402-1617/2008/219/LTU-EX-08219-SE.pdf
15:42 Experimentonomen anyways its time to head out¨bbl
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16:08 Ponko BatSteve: DUDE
16:10 injektion Let's see: 2 monittors, 1 DVI to HD-15, Windows x64 DVD made to boot on machines with 32bit EFI firmware
16:10 injektion I'm ready to attempt to do this
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16:27 injektion I used to run W7 on here in 2009 and then something changed I don't know if it's the video card or the nvidia drivers causing it
16:30 Seroster^Away Ello folks.
16:30 Seroster GGR, there?
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16:34 SparkyProjects Hi Sero
16:35 Electricguy been posted before.. but it's just awesome :) http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379381_10150492699465815_551385814_10632772_1824261180_n.jpg
16:36 Chipguy yeah very true
16:36 Electricguy yes
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16:42 astro73|roam ^^ THIS
16:42 Nekoroms Rip Dante :/
16:43 Electricguy ?!
16:43 SparkyProjects What happened ?
16:43 Nekoroms The Geek Group's main Big Truck (Dante) is officially dead. We're going to need to get a new truck donated as this is a major tool for us and gets daily use.
16:43 Nekoroms yeah, clutch failed hard, it's dead.
16:43 Nekoroms sorry for gb copy
16:43 Nekoroms *fb
16:43 Seroster Duct tape.
16:44 astro73|roam nooooo!
16:44 mashpriborintorg but isn't it loaded with stuff somewhere in Ohio ?
16:44 Nekoroms ye
16:44 astro73|roam dante died in ohio?
16:44 astro73|roam oh god
16:44 Seroster Lol
16:44 Nekoroms they have another truck
16:44 Seroster Be a man, Use the forklift.
16:44 SparkyProjects Tow Dante with the U-haul
16:44 Nekoroms Andrew Batman-Harwood
16:44 Nekoroms Dante is dead where he sits... now comes the fun part of transfering huge crates of awesome onto a rental! Challenge Accepted!!!
16:45 Nekoroms imo you cannot tow a truck with another
16:45 Nekoroms cops will give a ticket
16:46 Nekoroms maybe they just drive it into some scrap yard
16:46 Nekoroms and get a new one at michigan
16:49 SparkyProjects A clutch can be replaced
16:50 Nekoroms huge ass job
16:50 * Monkeh still can't figure out where this volume inbalance is coming from
16:50 Nekoroms and getting the truck home first costs a lot..
16:50 Nekoroms i have seen one clutch that blew up that destroyed the whole transmission
16:52 Seroster So, Nekoroms?
16:53 Seroster Getting a free working truck that doesn't need a lot of love to even start is a hugeass job. Fixing the transmission might be both easier and cheaper
16:53 Nekoroms so Seroster?
16:53 Nekoroms Seroster: for 3000-5000 dollars?
16:54 SparkyProjects Dependiing on where they are, and what is availble, they could borrow tools and do it in Ohio
16:54 Seroster Yeah, that's a brand new clutch.
16:54 Nekoroms clutch installed is around 2000 dollars i think..
16:55 Nekoroms atleast for a volvo truck
16:55 SparkyProjects also depends on what part of the clutch system has died
16:55 Seroster If you can pull the head of batman's truck you can pull the clutch on dante.
16:55 Nekoroms Seroster: not really
16:55 Seroster How much does dante weigh? Few tonnes?
16:55 Nekoroms maybe 4
16:56 Seroster A four tonne jack, a couple of stands, it's doable.
16:57 Seroster The problem isn't that it can't be done, the problem is that Dante is an old beat up truck and spending time on fixing the clutch when the motor is likely to die soon isn't worth it.  Plain and simple it's time for dante to go into the long night in a puff of smoke.
16:58 mashpriborintorg but first of all they need to bring back everyone and everything back safe to the lab
16:59 mashpriborintorg chris must be pretty annoyed right now
16:59 Seroster I'd be lying if I said I'm up to date on american traffic laws, but you might be able to put a towing line on another big engine and just pull dante home at 40mph
16:59 Seroster Yeah, great day to stay the fuck away from him, I suppose =P
16:59 mashpriborintorg they are like 500km away
16:59 Seroster .c 500/40
17:00 Seroster ...derp.
17:00 SparkyProjects 290 miles away
17:00 mashpriborintorg .c 290 mi to km
17:00 Seroster Yeah that's 8 boring hours but it can be done.
17:00 Seroster mashpriborintorg, times 1.6
17:00 mashpriborintorg arrrh no bot
17:01 Seroster So about 450
17:01 Seroster 464 to be precise.
17:01 mashpriborintorg it's... far
17:01 Seroster Yeah.
17:01 Seroster Still, I think it can be pulled home on a leash.
17:01 Nekoroms tow bar on and a lot of lazy driving :)
17:01 Monkeh ... volume balance solved.
17:02 Nekoroms Seroster: so you want to do it :)
17:02 Seroster Aye, Nekoroms
17:02 Monkeh Thank you so much, pulseaudio, for setting my input to mic, not line level.
17:02 Seroster If I had the option I would happily jump in a truck and pull dante home.
17:04 SparkyProjects Depends what the laws are, many places require a solid bar for towing a truck
17:04 Nekoroms dont know if its legal to just tow to nearest garage
17:04 Nekoroms not all the way to home
17:04 Nekoroms SparkyProjects: same here
17:04 Nekoroms SparkyProjects: its fun to tow someting with a tow bar
17:04 Nekoroms "not"
17:05 Nekoroms stopping is also really nice..
17:06 SparkyProjects I'm used to towing and being towed
17:06 SparkyProjects Good fun towing a caravan round a bend and almost getting it on one wheel :D
17:06 Seroster Lol
17:06 Seroster Shouldnt it be easier with a rope?
17:06 SparkyProjects And i've driven a bick truck
17:06 Seroster I.E the person in the back truck got brakes... Right?
17:07 SparkyProjects The idea of a solid bar is to prevent the towed vehicle running into the back of you
17:07 Seroster Hence the person in the vehicle behind having brakes.
17:07 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Is that a truck which catches fire easily?
17:08 SparkyProjects Deepends if the engine is able to run
17:08 SparkyProjects *big
17:08 Monkeh :)
17:08 SparkyProjects 30 foot flatbed :P
17:08 Monkeh Pffft
17:09 BitViper ugh, poor dante
17:09 SparkyProjects at tthe age of 14
17:09 Monkeh If it doesn't qualify as an abnormal load on a bridge, it's not big. :P
17:09 BitViper can we fit dante into the autopsy studio ? :)
17:09 tonsofpcs I've been the follow-car for a tow but haven't had the luck to be the ttowed or the towee (yet)
17:09 SparkyProjects Dante would fit in MDH
17:10 Monkeh It HAS fit in MDH
17:10 Monkeh Several times
17:10 mashpriborintorg the mdh is too much crowded now
17:10 SparkyProjects But they have to get it back from Ohio to do that
17:10 tonsofpcs wait, dante is what we're talking about?
17:11 SparkyProjects And MDH is soon to be filled with 2 truckloads of stuff
17:11 SparkyProjects Dante's clutch has failed in Ohio
17:11 tonsofpcs ouch
17:12 tonsofpcs where in ohioo?
17:12 Monkeh tonsofpcs: So recall I had some odd volume issues?
17:12 tonsofpcs Monkeh: not really, but you just said something about pulseaudio so I'm guessing that explains them all ;)
17:12 Ponko home of the indians or home of the bengals?
17:12 Ponko (cleveland or cincinnati
17:12 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yep. I was having issues with the left channel being excessively loud. Turns out I was set to mic input.
17:13 Monkeh Which is odd, because I've never selected mic input, there's never BEEN a mic on this machine, and I can't view such an option in the normal ALSA mixer.
17:13 Monkeh But pulseaudio can do it and do it without telling me!
17:14 Monkeh And now I'm flicking it between settings just to hear the relays click :D
17:14 Monkeh Love this card.
17:14 tonsofpcs often the way it works is there's a 'boost' or 'preamp' toggle buried somewhere in the sound card and it defaults to one or the other
17:14 tonsofpcs hearing relays? what is this? a SBLive?
17:15 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Xonar Essence ST.
17:15 tonsofpcs aren't their OSS native drivers for that?
17:16 tonsofpcs like, full-featured so you don't need AlSA?
17:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not sure OSS4 supports it and OSS support in apps is sorely lacking.
17:16 Monkeh ALSA isn't an issue with this card anyway
17:16 Monkeh It's a gigantic pain in the butt with my other card, thoughy
17:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Here, have an STX with its clothes off: http://img5.pcpop.com/ProductImages/0x0/1/1081/001081375.jpg
17:16 tonsofpcs well, the first thing I do with an install of any recent linux distro is killall pulseaudio.  The next thing I do is figure out how to disable it all the way :)
17:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Unfortunately nothing else succeeds at managing multiple output streams properly.
17:17 * tonsofpcs teaches Monkeh to Jack
17:17 Monkeh Except jack but it has issues with a working system (I cannot afford to dedicate realtime resources to it on this box)
17:17 tonsofpcs jack doesn't actually need realtime
17:18 tonsofpcs they just say that so they don't deal with people running underpowered systems complaining about bursty audio
17:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: With or without realtime, I have significant prior experience with jack being incapable of operating on a system with other loads.
17:18 Monkeh pulseaudio manages to. Until I can arrange for a more dedicated system, it will have to suffice.
17:19 Monkeh Plans are in the making for a dedicated audio system
17:19 tonsofpcs I've never had pulseaudio work cleanly.  I have had jack work cleanly (but it takes quite a bit of effort and tweaking of parameters)
17:19 eadthem pulse audio just fixed all my missing features on my soundblaster
17:19 Monkeh eadthem: What, like resampling without making a mess of things? ;)
17:19 eadthem like outputing stereo to 4 channel
17:19 Monkeh Don't need pulse for that
17:20 eadthem nothing else worked
17:20 Monkeh You just have to learn the arcane magic of ALSA config files.
17:20 eadthem ya see  thats why i say pulse fixed it
17:20 eadthem i just learend xorg.conf  i have no desire to learn alsa.conf
17:20 tonsofpcs what do you mean by "outputting stereo to 4 channel"?
17:20 eadthem left rear left front =  left      right rear right front = right
17:21 tonsofpcs there's quite a few ways to do that, actually, depending on if you want it to happen for everything or just one app
17:21 Monkeh And ALSA config files can do it quite easily once you learn them
17:21 eadthem everythign that isnt trying to output 4 4.1 5 5.1 6 6.1 or 7 7.1
17:21 Monkeh Now, the fun thing with ALSA is getting it to understand a true multi channel card
17:22 Monkeh It has REAL problems with my 24/96
17:22 tonsofpcs I don't know why you'd go config diving when the gui (gtk?) tools can do it in a few clicks...
17:22 eadthem ya it was freaking out and not doing much at all with my audigy 2 zs
17:22 tonsofpcs your 24/96 is a bastard card.
17:22 Monkeh Plus they still haven't figured out how to fix the driver so I don't have to manually enable the right channel DAC on boot.
17:22 tonsofpcs I still don't understand it's structure that it can provide certain sample rates in certain modes
17:22 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's a bastard which works quite well when it's not driven by ALSA.
17:23 tonsofpcs *its
17:23 eadthem gtk tools cant fix a gfx card that is no longer supported by both ati and xorg
17:24 eadthem when you want to do dual monitors
17:24 tonsofpcs eadthem: that's an Xorg issue.  Go back to Xfree
17:24 eadthem why i just got xorg tamed
17:24 eadthem ant its working
17:24 tonsofpcs really?
17:25 tonsofpcs care to share how?  Because my FGL3000 could use a good home in a PC somewhere around here :)
17:25 tonsofpcs (note: I find it hilarious that your x8?0 uses the fgl* drivers but my fgl needs the glint drivers -- the fgl drivers are missing some of configuration settings needed to talk to it)
17:26 eadthem fglxr dont work with my x850 pro
17:26 eadthem thats whats broken
17:26 tonsofpcs ah
17:26 eadthem i had to use radeon
17:26 eadthem ie opensource drivers
17:26 tonsofpcs radeon won't work with the real fgl cards :(
17:26 eadthem you create a virtual  desktop area
17:27 tonsofpcs I can't even get X to load, forget dual-mon
17:27 tonsofpcs laundry almost done, time to grab it and go get pizza, bbiab
17:32 Electricguy just had to XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p27ptIfcRz0
17:32 Electricguy ona real Win98 machine :D
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17:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Here's a random one for you.
17:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Can jack reduce volume on all other inputs if there's activity on one specific one?
17:41 tonsofpcs jack doesn't have "inputs" but you could run a proogram that does and have it do that.
17:41 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Well, sources, whatever.
17:42 tonsofpcs it's just a jackfield, you need a compressor :)
17:42 tonsofpcs well, limiter and/or AGC
17:42 Monkeh This will take some experimentation, then.
17:42 Monkeh Right
17:42 Monkeh Well, need box first.
17:42 * tonsofpcs hands Monkeh an old shure mic mixer with a cap and resistor tied to the rear terminals
17:42 Monkeh That really won't cut it.
17:43 tonsofpcs (what you're looking for is called "ducking")
17:43 tonsofpcs well, selective ducking if you want only a specific one to do it
17:43 tonsofpcs but you can use a geeneral ducker (limiter) to do that by just adding a ton of gain to that one ;)
17:43 Monkeh Yes, selective is important.
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17:48 tonsofpcs from a quick google search in response to someone looking for a jack ducker: "ducking" in traditional analog audio was done using a
17:48 tonsofpcs compressor with a side-chain input from an override channel.  When the
17:48 tonsofpcs announcer talking is heard in the side-chain, the compressor turns
17:48 tonsofpcs down the volume on the normal program.
17:48 tonsofpcs (side-chain makes it selective)
17:49 tonsofpcs I'm guessing you could find a DSP compressor/limiter that you could set up to do it
17:50 tonsofpcs but, depending on what yuo need it for, there may be a different solution
17:50 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Multiple sources (workstation, gaming box, local, remote (net))
17:51 Monkeh Gaming box has VOIP. VOIP needs to be louder than _all_ other sources when someone is talking.
17:53 tonsofpcs my most recent similar need was in a presentation space, we installed a projection system and speaker system.  Now, the space is often used for computer-driven presentation so we needed to add microphones to the computer input to the source selector.  I got a stereo shure mixer that has 'talk-over' channels and put the mics in them and the computer into the stereo 'normal' input (there's also a stereo ducking input iirc and a s
17:53 tonsofpcs no need to have someone mix, switch mics on and off, switch  inputs, etc.
17:54 tonsofpcs so you're looking at using a PC with jack as a mixer?
17:54 tonsofpcs jack is *not* low-latency, idk how it would handle gaming or VoIP....
17:55 Monkeh Well I need something low enough latency to do it
17:55 tonsofpcs how much $ do you figure you would be spending on this system?
17:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Uhm, precisely none beyond what I need to make it boot.
17:56 tonsofpcs which is?
17:56 Monkeh Right now? A PCI-E GPU with a DVI connector.
17:56 Monkeh Assuming my existing parts are functioning.
17:56 Monkeh That's questionable.
17:56 tonsofpcs what's that $?
17:56 Monkeh Err, depends how fleabay is doing when I have some money to spend on it
17:56 tonsofpcs $10? $100? $500? $1000?
17:57 Monkeh ... I don't know, I haven't looked lately
17:57 Monkeh Prices vary from the amazingly cheap to utterly obscene for a five year old card
17:58 Nekoroms whow.. 3000 dollars for a tow for dante..
17:58 Nekoroms "heh"
17:58 tonsofpcs for $600 you can get a peavy S-4; for $250 you can get a Shure SCM262....
17:58 Monkeh ....
17:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I need a GPU, not a complete gaming box.
17:58 Monkeh And no. This is the UK remember.
17:59 Monkeh I don't pay real prices. I pay real price x2 * 1.2
17:59 tonsofpcs ok, so double that shure price, probably the same on the peavy tbh
17:59 Monkeh Assuming such a device is even available.
18:00 tonsofpcs 315 pounds for an allen and heath.
18:00 tonsofpcs 260 for the SCM262
18:01 Monkeh The word 'no' springs to mind
18:01 Monkeh Especially as I'd already decided to build a box for other reasons
18:01 tonsofpcs that's how you get low-latency.
18:01 tonsofpcs Alternatively, do you use cans or speakers?
18:01 Monkeh Cans.
18:02 tonsofpcs darn.
18:03 tonsofpcs I guess you're using Jack or building your own ducking circuit.  If using Jack, just make the ducking solution the last thing before the output and patch VoIP only to that.
18:04 tonsofpcs i mean, jack isn't as much delay as VAcard but it does add delay
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18:50 wannabe-afk off to my concert.  astro73|roam, you should be there....
18:51 astro73|roam wannabe1987: probably not :/ stuff to do
18:51 wannabe-afk awwww but!
18:51 NeWtoz if it was a choir concert, I'd be there
18:52 wannabe-afk orchestra
18:52 NeWtoz hence why I won't be there
18:52 wannabe-afk awwwww
18:52 wannabe-afk at least zozo will be there!
18:52 wannabe-afk cuz i'm making him be there
18:53 tonsofpcs aswhatcha playing?
18:53 tonsofpcs *whatcha playin?
18:53 wannabe-afk violin
18:53 wannabe-afk lol
18:53 wannabe-afk vaughn williams and bax
18:54 wannabe-afk but i must go now
18:57 tonsofpcs eadthem / exor674  - another thing it helps you see clearly is the melting (or freezing) layer
18:57 eadthem ?
18:57 eadthem != exor674
18:57 exor674 I think that's a belated thing from our weather discussion last night
18:58 eadthem oic
18:59 Ponko good ol Chelsea
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19:01 Electricguy LOL! cheap china android tablets are funny..
19:01 Electricguy http://forumbilder.se/images/914201270529P368f.jpg
19:02 Electricguy check the installation of the modded USB bluetooth stick
19:02 Electricguy http://forumbilder.se/images/584201272430P8b2b.jpg
19:02 Electricguy wires directly soldered where the USB plug used to be
19:03 tonsofpcs I was going to do that to add BT to my eeepc
19:04 tonsofpcs couldn't get a good fit though
19:04 Electricguy ahh. darn
19:04 Electricguy get one of those TINY BT sticks then maybe
19:04 Electricguy and really make a short range PAN! XD
19:04 tonsofpcs I was using one of the thumbnail sized ones
19:04 tonsofpcs with plastic removed, ofc.
19:05 Electricguy oki
19:05 Electricguy well, yeah.. EeePC's are pretty tight inside
19:05 tonsofpcs yea
19:05 Ponko hmm anyone know where i can find tickets for the Scottish FA Cup Final no luck with google :/
19:05 tonsofpcs I can fit it if I block the vent port and I'd rather not
19:05 Ponko Hibs Vs Hearts i'm going
19:05 tonsofpcs Ponko: didn't the tournament already start?
19:05 Electricguy yeah blocking vents = bad
19:06 Ponko what do you mean?
19:06 tonsofpcs like, didn't the semifinals already happen?
19:06 Ponko yeah but i mean the final itself
19:06 tonsofpcs yea, good luck :)  ticketscalpers.co.uk mayhaps? :-p
19:07 Ponko not the Liverpool Vs Chelsea one the Hibernian Vs Heart of Midlothian one
19:07 Ponko they'll be easier to ger
19:08 Ponko i saw the stadium for both semis practically empty and Celtic are IN Glasgow
19:08 tonsofpcs is this the "William Hill Scotish Cup"?
19:08 Ponko yep
19:08 Ponko i think
19:08 tonsofpcs http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=3209
19:08 tonsofpcs "Tickets will be available through the respective clubs"
19:09 Ponko ah yes
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19:10 tonsofpcs 0844 844 1875 is the hibernian's number
19:10 BatSteve yo
19:10 tonsofpcs oy
19:11 tonsofpcs so dante is somewhere in ohio sans clutch
19:11 BitViper yeah, i heard they wanted all hands to come help carry stuff back :)
19:12 tonsofpcs really? how much is he paying me to take an unpaid day off work? :)
19:13 BatSteve I wonder how expensive gas would have to be before the price of lots of people driving to Ohio outweighs the cost of just fixing the vehicle?
19:13 tonsofpcs $0
19:13 tonsofpcs have you seen dante?
19:13 tonsofpcs even if he were fixed, he might not make it back.
19:13 BatSteve It's the big truck?
19:13 tonsofpcs yea
19:14 BatSteve Then yes
19:15 exor674 what IS dante doing in Ohio of all places?
19:16 tonsofpcs (not) driving back from pittsburgh
19:17 epictang0 makes one wonder who thought it wise to spend 4k on a computer...
19:17 Seroster It's picking up donation.
19:18 Seroster epictang0, Yeah, if only someone would have pointed that out before.. ^^
19:18 tonsofpcs epictang0: wait, what?
19:18 BitViper i think they just rented a uhaul to transfer stuff to and are leaving dante in the local graveyard
19:18 epictang0 right...but when you dont have the money to completely fund the op (an opplan always includes failures) then they should not have went
19:18 Seroster Just hook a strap to dante and pull that big bastard home.
19:20 Seroster epictang0, This isse has been through the mill a few times, and whatever you or anyone else in here will ever say it won't change what's already been.
19:21 tonsofpcs epictang0: is this the video editing machine?
19:22 tonsofpcs Seroster: there was a question of legality of pulling it
19:22 Ponko tonsofpcs where you from again?
19:22 tonsofpcs from or residing?
19:22 Seroster Pft.
19:22 Ponko both
19:22 * angy fondles Seroster
19:22 tonsofpcs NJ, NY
19:22 Ponko ah lol
19:22 Ponko but i know the hibs number backwards :P lol
19:22 Seroster http://www.ehow.com/how_5029884_tow-truck.html
19:23 tonsofpcs 5781448[4480]?
19:23 tonsofpcs why?
19:23 Ponko not literally lol
19:23 Ponko but i know the other number
19:23 Seroster .g tow dolly rental ohio
19:24 Seroster Ohbtw, BatSteve, your bot died.
19:24 BatSteve oh
19:24 BatSteve thank you
19:24 tonsofpcs Seroster: yes, a tow dolly, then a ligt bar, then the interconnecting wire, then ...
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19:24 tonsofpcs all to bring dante home...
19:24 tonsofpcs a bot!
19:24 BatSteve .g tow dolly rental ohio
19:24 BotSteve BatSteve: http://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/
19:24 Ponko 0131 656 7078
19:24 Ponko that's the club shop
19:24 tonsofpcs yea, that won't hold dante.
19:25 Seroster Is that yomamas BMI or calories in a burger?
19:25 BatSteve Seroster: we had an electrical storm here
19:25 tonsofpcs Seroster: both, but i don't know what that first number is.
19:25 BatSteve which is probably why the bot is dead
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19:25 Ponko and BatSteve FINALLY on when i am lol
19:25 tonsofpcs BatSteve: the bot doesn't like electriccity?
19:25 Ponko and vice versa
19:26 BatSteve Ponko: Finally!  How've you been?
19:27 BatSteve tonsofpcs: apparently not
19:27 DamianZ Totally don't feel like writing a changelog parser.
19:27 tonsofpcs DamianZ: one was allready written for you.  man dd
19:27 Ponko very well thanks
19:27 DamianZ >.>
19:28 tonsofpcs err, man dif
19:28 * tonsofpcs is tired
19:28 Seroster tonsofpcs, Aint my truck, I really don't give a damn about what happens to it. Drive it into a lake for all I care. But seriously, sending a fleet of cars across the country to pick up a truckload of stuff?
19:28 tonsofpcs *diff
19:28 DamianZ Hmm
19:28 tonsofpcs Seroster: I hope that's not the case...
19:28 Seroster Which one? =P
19:28 DamianZ That's not really a changelog :P
19:28 tonsofpcs the only reference I see to the truck dying was someone logging in here to tell uus
19:28 tonsofpcs Seroster: sending cars
19:29 BitViper no there's no plan to send a fleet of cars, afaik they just rented a uhaul to transfer to
19:30 Ponko what about you BatSteve
19:31 BatSteve Varying between busy and not, depends on the day.  Overall good
19:31 Ponko lol that's great
19:31 tonsofpcs BitViper: where are you getting this info?
19:31 Seroster I have no idea tbh. This is what I'm spekulating about (I.E better to tow dante than this) ;   <BitViper> yeah, i heard they wanted all hands to come help carry stuff back :)
19:31 Seroster <tonsofpcs> really? how much is he paying me to take an unpaid day off work? :)
19:31 Seroster <BatSteve> I wonder how expensive gas would have to be before the price of lots of people driving to Ohio outweighs the cost of just fixing the vehicle?
19:33 Electricguy that annoying moment when a half ugly girl got a crush on you and you dunno what to do... -,-
19:36 Ponko ahh what a good day
19:36 Seroster masterofmonks, what do you know about boronsteel?
19:39 masterofmonks Depends, what do you want to know?
19:39 BitViper Seroster : that comment was [meant to be] a joke, about the 'all hands'
19:40 BitViper Seroster : and as far as transfering cargo to a rental, thats on facebork
19:41 tonsofpcs BitViper: where on facebook?
19:41 BitViper chris' most recent post
19:41 BitViper in the comments
19:41 Seroster masterofmonks, What's it good for? Is it really brittle?
19:42 TGG-Sports-Updat a great weekend for Edinburgh Football as Hibernian beat Aberdeen 2-1 in the Scottish FA Cup semi final at Hampden Park on Saturday and Hearts beat Celtic by the same scoreline making this years Cup Final and ALL Edinburgh affair
19:43 tonsofpcs in what comments?
19:43 Electricguy a toshiba portege 3010CT from 1998 is very slow to transfer files on a network..
19:43 * tonsofpcs slaps Ponko
19:43 Ponko idk about anyone else but that's an exciting prospect
19:43 Ponko hey some people MIGHT want to know
19:44 Ponko and it's my passion follow that passion and it was a mere updat
19:44 Ponko lol
19:44 tonsofpcs the most recent comment I see is something from a few days ago from someone in MA asking about HAAS....
19:44 tonsofpcs Ponko: you didn't need to /nick
19:44 tonsofpcs also, those of us whoo care know :-p
19:44 Ponko well some might not lol
19:45 Ponko but it is exciting all Edi affair
19:45 Ponko Liverpool Chelsea
19:45 Ponko and WHAT a game
19:45 tonsofpcs first one since 1896 too.
19:45 Ponko yep
19:45 tonsofpcs do you remember that game? :-p
19:45 Ponko oh very well my good chap
19:46 Ponko i remember parking the DeLorean next to the.....
19:46 tonsofpcs that game was so long ago, the cockney accent had yet to develop!
19:47 Ponko 116 years is a long time
19:47 Ponko hopefully not going to be a repeat
19:48 Ponko if it was Celtic that hibs got and hibs won 1-0 same as it was in 1902....
19:50 Ponko anyway
19:51 Ponko BatSteve.... save chat
19:51 Seroster Huh?
19:51 Ponko now THIS is why i don't talk much on here lately lol
19:52 Ponko problem Seroster?
19:53 BatSteve Save chat?  ::thinks::
19:54 Seroster .log
19:54 BotSteve Channel history can be found at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/thegeekgroup/today
19:54 Seroster All chat is already saved...
19:55 Ponko oh f***ing hell cutting hairs aren't we lol
19:55 BatSteve "rescue chat"
19:55 Seroster *Splitting hairs
19:55 Seroster =D
19:55 Ponko oh you knew what i meant
19:56 Ponko lol
19:56 Ponko anyway
19:56 Seroster =)
19:56 Seroster Fucken cockneys =]
20:09 Electricguy HILARIOUS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v75QpvISUs&amp;feature=share
20:09 BotSteve Title: Kids of Today vs 1980's Technology (HD) - YouTube
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20:13 tonsofpcs Electricguy: except the end screen isn't out of the 80s :(
20:14 Electricguy nah :/
20:14 tonsofpcs not sure which re-release it is from...
20:14 Electricguy LOL! not wasted at all! http://www.damnlol.com/i/4bcbbf596d50ca755b954bbaed4296b0.jpg
20:16 tonsofpcs and 2600 is from the 70s...
20:16 tonsofpcs idk which commodore system that was
20:17 Ponko http://i.imgur.com/AjtC0.gif this makes me laugh
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20:19 quacky hi everyone
20:20 BatSteve hey
20:22 tonsofpcs oy
20:30 Ponko lol Electricguy i JUST saw that pic moments before you posted that
20:30 Electricguy lulz :P
20:30 Electricguy geek brainsync!
20:42 tonsofpcs BitViper: where is this comment?
20:51 Ponko time to play some open Transport Tycoon Deluxe
21:05 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/realfood/  You gotta love TED
21:05 BotSteve Title: Real food, is that too much to ask? [VIDEO]
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21:18 tonsofpcs ah
21:21 dr_jkl doobydooo
21:22 tonsofpcs * dr_jkl is now known as mr_hyd
21:22 dr_jkl mrs hyde is next to me:)
21:22 * dr_jkl curtsey
21:26 einball eeeek
21:27 tonsofpcs op
21:29 einball op? like .. operator? *runs*
21:33 tonsofpcs oh, I thought we were making a Jetsons reference, move along...
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21:33 lwq_laptop .seen wannabe-afk
21:33 BotSteve lwq_laptop: I last saw SarahM 10.37 hours ago at 2012-04-15 11:11:42 UTC on #TGG:NSFW.  Current time: 21:33:39 UTC
21:33 tonsofpcs she's at a concert
21:34 Experimentonomen i think im gonna ditch tele2 for telenor
21:34 lwq_laptop oh yeah right
21:34 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: ?
21:35 Experimentonomen im gonna switch ISP, this 200kbit is just obnoxous, i talked to my uncle and he agrees, for someone with my kinda usage, 200kbit just aint cuttin it
21:35 tonsofpcs are tele2 and telenor completely different entities?
21:36 Experimentonomen tho different isps
21:36 Experimentonomen two*
21:37 tonsofpcs someone needs to sppend more money on marketing and/or legal....
21:38 tonsofpcs and please tell me that "2" is not pronounced anything like "nor"
21:38 Experimentonomen just googble tele2 and telenor :
21:38 Experimentonomen :P
21:39 tonsofpcs ah, tele2 is svenska and telenor is norsk
21:40 Experimentonomen im looking at the coverage map, and i live right in the middle of a 4G 32MBit zone, something my uncle adviced me to check
21:40 tonsofpcs is wireline (DSL/cable/fttp/ettp/...) not an option there?
21:40 Experimentonomen not with my budget
21:41 tonsofpcs I wish mobile data were cheaper than DSL/cable here.
21:41 Experimentonomen i'd need to pay a fee to have the phone line acxtivated, then pay a fee to use it, then pay for the connection
21:41 tonsofpcs heck, I wish DSL were viable here... my cable service sucks.
21:41 tonsofpcs (like, when it works it's great, but when it breaks, the _service_ sucks)
21:44 Ponko ahh nothing like a bacon sandwich
21:44 Ponko with brown sauce
21:46 tonsofpcs ...
21:47 masterofmonks Ponko, One must eat more than just bacon.
21:47 tonsofpcs right, he's got bread too
21:47 masterofmonks And "sauce"
21:47 Ponko of course
21:48 tonsofpcs "brown sauce" isn't foo
21:48 tonsofpcs *food
21:48 Ponko i couldnae make eggs
21:48 masterofmonks Eggs are a start.
21:48 tonsofpcs bacon, eggs, cheese, tomato, bread
21:49 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, all of that plus onions, and romaine.
21:49 Ponko mmm where's my HP sauce
21:49 masterofmonks HP?
21:49 Ponko that's brown sauce the finest brown sauce
21:49 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: HP sauce is Heinz 57.
21:49 tonsofpcs (or something like that)
21:49 Ponko SparkyProjects1 educate him lol
21:49 masterofmonks Ah.
21:49 tonsofpcs (heinz actually makes it)
21:49 tonsofpcs you can buy actual HP sauce in Wegmans here
21:49 Ponko yeah but it is a british thing
21:49 masterofmonks Give me horse raddish any day.
21:50 Ponko Colemans?
21:50 tonsofpcs you *can*, I'm not sure why you would.
21:50 tonsofpcs also, romaine doesn't go with bacon.
21:50 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, yes it does.
21:50 Ponko blasphimer
21:50 Ponko it's a london thing to have it
21:50 masterofmonks What do you use for a BLT? Iceberg?
21:50 tonsofpcs no, romaine is food for pigs, you don't eat what the pig eats while you eat the pig
21:51 tonsofpcs I don't eat lettuce with my pig, see above ^
21:51 masterofmonks tonsofpcs, tell that to Chicken Corn Chowder.
21:51 SparkyProjects1 Heinz and HP are different companies
21:51 SparkyProjects1 HP>Heinz for brown sauce
21:51 tonsofpcs (I don't eat lettuce with anything, really)
21:52 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects1: really? http://www.heinz.co.uk/Sauce-Partners/hp-sauce
21:52 BotSteve Title: Heinz - Sauce Partners - HP Sauce
21:53 tonsofpcs "HP Sauce is a popular brown sauce[1] originally produced by HP Foods in the UK, now produced by H.J. Heinz in the Netherlands."
21:54 KawaiiJess I'm reading the information supplied by apple as to why I should opt for two 18x superdrives on a MacPro and all I can think of is, "IT EVEN HAS REVERSI!!!"
21:54 SparkyProjects1 Partners but the brands are different
21:54 tonsofpcs KawaiiJess: it doesn't anymore, does it?
21:54 tonsofpcs like, the puzzle game disappeared too....
21:55 KawaiiJess Oh I don't know. It was just the wording on the side explaining how you can be burning a dvd and importing music at the same time blah blah, and all I could think of was Steve Balmer screaming at me about how Windows 1.0 even has reversi
21:58 tonsofpcs steve balmer screams (and throws chairs) at lots of people, don't let it get to you :)
21:59 tonsofpcs but it does surprise me that apple is trying to get you to opt for two optical drives, they're trying to phase out optical media in favor of 'selling' you software the same way they 'sell' you music
22:00 KawaiiJess Imagine how much more productive you can be with two SuperDrive optical drives. You can back up your data to two double-layer DVDs at once. Or export Final Cut Studio projects to one DVD, while importing music from a CD into your iTunes library. Or make copies of your burned DVDs with simplicity and speed.
22:00 KawaiiJess I'm gonna buy a Mac Pro when they update shortly so I was poking around at the buyers page :P
22:00 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/blueprintscivilization/ lol =)
22:00 BotSteve Title: Open-sourced blueprints for civilization. [VIDEO]
22:01 KawaiiJess If that's the guy who made all those open source farming tools, he's pretty legit
22:01 tonsofpcs yea, (1) If I burnt it, and want multiple copies, I made an image for more burns on my hdd so I don't need two drives (2) If I'm burning, I'm making sure that I'm not using the bus for other things like ripping a d to itunes (3) hey, apple, BluRay, ever heard of it?
22:02 lwq_laptop .g geogaching
22:02 BotSteve lwq_laptop: http://www.geocaching.com/
22:07 tonsofpcs .g geohashing
22:07 BotSteve tonsofpcs: http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Main_Page
22:11 tonsofpcs apparently the bacon sandwich with HP sauce is a recipie on the HP sauce website, they call it "Bacon Buttie"
22:18 lwq_laptop anyone ever geogcache?
22:18 lwq_laptop geocache*
22:19 Experimentonomen huh?
22:19 lwq_laptop .wiki geocache
22:19 BotSteve "Geocaching is an outdoor sporting activity in which the participants use a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver or mobile device[2]| and other navigational techniques to hide and seek containers, called 'geocaches' or 'caches', anywhere in the world." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocache
22:20 Experimentonomen sounds lame and boring :P
22:20 Electricguy bedtime! night all
22:20 Experimentonomen nite
22:20 lwq_laptop eh, can be if yo dont like out doors
22:21 tonsofpcs .wiki geohash
22:21 BotSteve "Geohash is a latitude/longitude geocode system invented by Gustavo Niemeyer when writing the web service at geohash.org, and put into the public domain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash
22:21 tonsofpcs .wiki geohashing
22:21 BotSteve "xkcd is a webcomic created by Randall Munroe." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohashing
22:29 lwq_laptop wow these headphones got too much bass. and they only work half pluged in. well what do i expect
22:29 lwq_laptop anyone got a like to good wireless headphones.
22:30 lwq_laptop wow these suck. im  never buying nady's again just because they are cheap
22:31 tonsofpcs uh...
22:31 tonsofpcs you're doing it wrong.
22:32 lwq_laptop no wonder! there is a wire broke inside
22:32 tonsofpcs what model?
22:33 lwq_laptop dont know. bought them with my keyboard and never used them. dont have the package
22:33 tonsofpcs ... it would be on the unitt
22:33 tonsofpcs if not, there's an FCCID on the unit
22:34 lwq_laptop cant find it.
22:34 tonsofpcs it would be on the transmitter
22:35 tonsofpcs possibly behind a battery cover
22:35 lwq_laptop no its plug in headphones
22:35 lwq_laptop i want to get a good set of wireless
22:35 tonsofpcs oh
22:35 masterofmonks Mythical creature.
22:35 tonsofpcs no you don't
22:36 tonsofpcs what MoM said
22:36 masterofmonks The closest you can get is A2DP bluetooth, and they still aren't good.
22:36 tonsofpcs I mean, I could make you a decent wireless headphone setup but it'd have more wire than you'd need to get the headphones across thee room.
22:37 masterofmonks Though you could use an induction coil and a magnet.....
22:37 tonsofpcs masterofmonks: nah, two distinct wide-band FM carriers with the transmission far enough away that it doesn't overload the receiver, fixed-tuned receivers with a tight front-end, and really @$(^*@ huge receive antenna  ;)
22:37 lwq_laptop i dont want bluetooth. i want ones that have a transmitter that plugs into the jack then transmits to the headphones
22:37 Seroster MarthinLutherKingJR autotuned...The internet just hit a new low =
22:38 tonsofpcs Seroster: if that's a new low for you, you must be new here.
22:38 Seroster Nother kind of low.
22:38 masterofmonks lwq_laptop, those aren't really great....
22:39 tonsofpcs oh, the A below the C two octaves below middle C?
22:39 lwq_laptop ive heard different
22:39 lwq_laptop they probally have good ones
22:39 tonsofpcs lwq_laptop: you can't override physics with money.
22:40 lwq_laptop with enough transmitters and emitters you can :P
22:40 tonsofpcs I mean, I suppose you could use a very high ISM band.. wait, too noisy...
22:40 tonsofpcs I suppose you could use a frequency so high that it is free to use...
22:40 lwq_laptop i need a rocking stereo system
22:40 tonsofpcs oh, wait, the plastic of the headphones would block the signal so it'd be useless even before you turned your head 1/60th of a second
22:41 tonsofpcs that's easy
22:41 tonsofpcs 1) buy stereo system
22:41 tonsofpcs 2) play rock
22:42 lwq_laptop i mean i want to shake walls
22:42 tonsofpcs what construction?
22:42 lwq_laptop what you mean by construction
22:42 tonsofpcs how is the wall made?
22:43 lwq_laptop drywall and there is a window
22:43 tonsofpcs drywall on what?
22:43 lwq_laptop studs
22:43 tonsofpcs those cheap alum studs shake a lot easier than wood ;)
22:43 lwq_laptop they are wooden. this house is as old as me
22:52 tonsofpcs as old as I
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23:20 * egrsteve debates lurking
23:20 egrsteve or do I just bug wannabe1987?
23:21 wannabe1987 :shrug:  wannabe just played a concert and doesnt really care atm
23:22 * egrsteve returns to lurking as to not drive tgg|wannabe crazy (for now)
23:22 * egrsteve *but reserves the right to change his mind
23:23 wannabe1987 ok
23:23 lwq_laptop awe :( -hugs-
23:23 masterofmonks How was your concert wannabe1987?
23:24 wannabe1987 long and loud
23:24 masterofmonks Was it good?
23:24 wannabe1987 zozo says yes
23:24 masterofmonks Cool.
23:25 wannabe1987 i had a piccolo in my ear, so i don't know, tbh
23:25 lwq_laptop you'll be deaf for a week
23:26 wannabe1987 what?
23:26 lwq_laptop piccolo
23:26 masterofmonks http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100510165606/dragonball/images/thumb/1/1d/PiccoloVsAndroid17..png/250px-PiccoloVsAndroid17..png
23:26 masterofmonks Piccolo?
23:26 wannabe1987 yeah
23:26 wannabe1987 baby flute, REALLY high and loud
23:27 lwq_laptop i used to stand by a piccolo in marching band. DAMN
23:27 wannabe1987 lol
23:27 masterofmonks The link is relevant.
23:27 wannabe1987 browser is too slow for links....
23:28 lwq_laptop someone said shut up on facebook. should i bring the constitution into this?
23:28 masterofmonks No.
23:28 lwq_laptop lol
23:29 masterofmonks Because I doubt that you could give a valid argument on the subject.
23:30 lwq_laptop i would say this "the constitution give me rights to freedom of speech"
23:30 masterofmonks False.
23:31 lwq_laptop if those fucking people on four wheelers dont stop riding them at 3am tonight im going to convince my dad to buy me a .30-06
23:31 Ponko why not a colt .45
23:32 Ponko some reason that came to my head lol
23:32 lwq_laptop because .30-06 reaches past 400yrds and they are roughly that far away
23:33 Experimentonomen bedtime, nite peepz
23:34 wannabe1987 going to go take a nap.
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23:35 Ponko why not just hide there with a cricket bat in full black and smack em off it then leg it
23:36 Ponko i've done that before
23:36 Ponko the bat was matted too
23:37 lwq_laptop if i do that i will spike the bat and hit them then
23:41 davidjkuhr I see the live stream was left on what looks like the main set
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