Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-05-19

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00:00 Monkeh|Lap Hell, that's in the water regs last I looked
00:08 Monkeh|Lap We killed IRC.
00:08 Monkeh|Lap I guess nobody wants to hear about plumbing
00:08 SparkyProjects Valves are not very stable on plastic pipe, another reason i prefer copper
00:08 SparkyProjects Imagine trying to cradle a valve in one hand while turning it off in a panic with a screwdriver :P
00:09 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: That's what pipe clips are for. :P
00:09 Monkeh|Lap Your connection has some major latency issues.
00:09 Monkeh|Lap (or mine does but you're the only person I see doing that)
00:11 tehdark45 Monkeh|Lap, its your woderful UK service
00:11 tehdark45 :P
00:11 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Hey, mine's fine, I'm not the one using BT. ;)
00:11 tehdark45 lol
00:12 Monkeh|Lap Could be worse, could be some poor bastard with a Virgin Superhub.
00:12 SparkyProjects Mine is fine i think.
00:12 Monkeh|Lap I think they rolled those out just to compete with BT's Homehub
00:12 Monkeh|Lap Well, nobody else does this: May 19 2012 01:08:52 <SparkyProjects>Valves are not very stable on plastic pipe, another reason i prefer copper
00:12 Monkeh|Lap May 19 2012 01:08:53 <SparkyProjects>Imagine trying to cradle a valve in one hand while turning it off in a panic with a screwdriver :P
00:12 Monkeh|Lap Be honest, you don't type that fast.
00:13 SparkyProjects I type quite fast :P
00:13 Monkeh|Lap Not _that_ fast :P
00:14 SparkyProjects ask me a simple question that i can answer, and see how quick i reply
00:15 tehdark45 if you cant do over 9000 wpm, you are slow
00:15 tehdark45 :P
00:15 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: Okay, pi to 50 digits. :P
00:15 SparkyProjects :P
00:15 Monkeh|Lap Type THAT in under a second :P
00:15 SparkyProjects only know 3.141
00:15 SparkyProjects THAT
00:16 Monkeh|Lap I only usually remember 3.14159
00:16 Monkeh|Lap But y'know, 99.9% of the time, 3.14 is sufficient.
00:16 SparkyProjects I don't use pi a lot, but i eat poe regularly
00:16 SparkyProjects Pie
00:17 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects: You eat Edgar Allen a lot?
00:17 Monkeh|Lap Or is it Allan?
00:17 SparkyProjects ^corrected
00:17 Monkeh|Lap I know :P
00:18 Monkeh|Lap Also, you timeout a lot
00:19 Monkeh|Lap Although I admit I have no external reference for myself on that.
00:20 Monkeh|Lap Really need to get a bouncer or two set up externally.
00:21 SparkyProjects You're not supposed to call doormen bouncers any more :P
00:22 Monkeh|Lap Have I ever given you the impression I care one whit about political correctness? ;)
00:22 SparkyProjects :D
00:29 Seroster monkeh, Ooor... You just hit the PI button on your calculator and it gives you a bunch of decimals.
00:30 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: That assumes I can be bothered actually looking at the keys to find that one.
00:30 Seroster Or hell, even use the bot.
00:30 Seroster .c pi
00:30 BotSteve 3.14159265
00:30 Seroster .c pi to the last decimal
00:30 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
00:30 Seroster Bastard.
00:30 Monkeh|Lap .c pi to 20 decimals
00:30 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
00:30 Monkeh|Lap Fai
00:30 Monkeh|Lap l
00:30 Monkeh|Lap Irony.
00:31 BotSteve 3.14159265(...)7. Don't ask me what is in between, but the last decimal is seven.
00:35 Monkeh|Lap Well, I think I'll try and revive the chat with a large machine pushing more air than is reasonable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laYw9YFRZa8
00:35 BotSteve Title: Amazing Chinook Display (with pilot talkover) - YouTube
00:35 LittleCreature BotSteve: impossible... pi is an irrational and trascendental number... it is countably inifinite and never repeats itsself (probably)
00:35 Monkeh|Lap Quiet, BotSteve, you'll give the game away.
00:37 BotSteve LittleCreature May I remind you that I am a self aware robot, and I spend all my free time either watching mechanical instruction videos or calculating Pi to the last decimal? I asure you it's 7.
00:38 Monkeh|Lap BotSteve: Could you spend some of that free time on English lessons?
00:39 BotSteve Monkeh|Lap, If I was capable of human emotion I would hate you.
00:39 Monkeh|Lap Mission accomplished.
00:40 LittleCreature BotSteve: as a robot you must be confused by the fact that your memory is finite while pi is infinte... prehaps the last digit of pi in your finite memory is 7
00:40 Monkeh|Lap BotSteve: Should everyone just watch the impressive helicopter?
00:40 BotSteve Yep!
00:40 Monkeh|Lap There we go
00:40 LittleCreature or, prehaps you are a zeno machine
00:41 LittleCreature and there for you complete infinite loops in just 2 seconds
00:41 Sgt_Lemming "complete infinite loops" ...
00:42 LittleCreature a zeno machine theoretically could
00:42 LittleCreature a machine which takes 1/2 second to execute the first computation
00:42 LittleCreature than 1/4 of a second
00:42 LittleCreature then 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, etc
00:42 tehdark45 if you want a Gmod 13 key, there is a new batch http://account.garrysmod.com/
00:42 BotSteve Title: Garry's Mod Account
00:42 Sgt_Lemming infinite loop doesn't have an end though
00:43 LittleCreature sum(1/2^n, 0, inf) = 2
00:44 BotSteve LittleCreature The reason I don't know what's in the middle is because it is overwritten with the next calculated number. I only store about fifteen million numbers at any given time, the 14.99999 first and the last. Pi is per definition not infinite since I have calculated it to the last decimal.
00:47 Seroster LittleCreature, Please excuse my mechanical friend, he's just smoked a bit too much motor oil today.
00:48 LittleCreature can you offer a proof that pi is not an irrational number then?
00:48 BotSteve Yes. Irrational numbers don't end with seven.
00:49 LittleCreature :(
00:49 Seroster He's got a point ^^
00:50 Sgt_Lemming rofl
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01:22 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTh0EMAH99A
01:22 BotSteve Title: TROUND 50 Machine Gun How It Works - YouTube
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01:23 Carvagon im back
01:25 Cprossu I think I'm going to attempt to sleep in tonight. comcast is fixed for now!
01:25 Cprossu man, that was an ordeal
01:26 Cprossu .seen egrsteve.seen egrsteve
01:26 BotSteve Sorry, I haven't seen egrsteve.seen around.
01:26 Sgt_Lemming well done
01:26 Sgt_Lemming .sen egrsteve
01:26 Sgt_Lemming .seen egrsteve
01:26 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: I last saw egrsteve 239.24 hours ago at 2012-05-09 02:12:26 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:26:51 UTC
01:27 Cprossu .seen egrsteve
01:27 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw egrsteve 239.24 hours ago at 2012-05-09 02:12:26 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:27:08 UTC
01:27 Carvagon well thats not right lol
01:29 egrsteve no it's not
01:30 egrsteve I think egrsteve has been around before that
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01:43 egrsteve Cprossu: comcats is fixed?
01:43 egrsteve *comcast
01:44 Sgt_Lemming lol, My Little Pony in 1080p, why would you bother?
01:45 Carvagon lol but why were u lookin for my little pony?
01:45 wannabe1987 because ponies rock
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01:45 wannabe1987 duh
01:45 wannabe1987 hi eadthem
01:45 Carvagon dumb me
01:45 eadthem hey
01:46 Sgt_Lemming I was looking for 1080p stuff Carvagon, and it came up
01:46 Carvagon lol gotcha
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01:57 HighMan Who works with hackintoshes :P
02:07 Cprossu I've built them before but I wouldn't say I 'work' with them'
02:08 wannabe1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbLshnfu0wY
02:08 BotSteve Title: "Sweet Home Alabama" - Musical Tesla Coils - YouTube
02:09 Carvagon ^^ive seen that one.  its pretty good
02:10 wannabe1987 it was on my fb today
02:10 Sgt_Lemming eh, his drive for them is pretty noisy
02:11 wannabe1987 idk what that means lem :P
02:11 Sgt_Lemming the circuit he is using to drive the coils is noisy, and hence the really hissy sound of it
02:11 wannabe1987 ahhh ok
02:12 Sgt_Lemming when you hear some of the better one the sound is REALLY clean
02:13 Sgt_Lemming like the ones TGG has done
02:16 Carvagon have a good one everybody
02:16 wannabe1987 bye
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03:03 lwq1996 lbp?
03:04 Sgt_Lemming ...?
03:04 lwq1996 wannabe-LBP: lbp?
03:07 wannabe-LBP little big planet
03:07 wannabe-LBP sheesh
03:08 wannabe-LBP can't a girl play video games around here?!
03:08 lwq1996 sorry -goes away-
03:11 * tehdark45 brings lwq1996 back
03:12 wannabe-LBP zomg i tease
03:12 Sgt_Lemming http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Amphibious_Assault_Vehicles_fire_smoke_grenades.jpg <--- pretty cool pic
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03:24 tonsofpcs lbp?
03:24 lwq1996 look up a little tonsofpcs
03:30 tonsofpcs wannabe-LBP: you can, but I believe Diablo 3 is the currently accepted video game, this week that is....
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03:32 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, i dont think she has access to a D3 capable machine
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03:36 Sgt_Lemming so I just found a kind of cool trick
03:37 Sgt_Lemming get a container with a fairly large mouth (about 3"), spray some deodorant or other flammable substance in and then put a blank DVD over the top and light it through the centre hole
03:37 tonsofpcs float?
03:37 Sgt_Lemming the dvd pops up and then gets buckled by it
03:38 Sgt_Lemming but then the DVD cools and goes flat again
03:38 tonsofpcs interesting
03:38 CaptainNiobe lemming, are you trying to burn the house down again? :P
03:38 Sgt_Lemming no, if I was I'd be using metho not deodorant
03:38 tonsofpcs denatured alcohhol work?
03:39 Sgt_Lemming metho is denatured, might do but you'd have to atomis it a bit first
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04:33 Topic for #thegeekgroup is now www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup | Channel log: http://bit.ly/fPNer2 |  Minecraft TGG Lab File: http://goo.gl/zz0PK | Member Blogs http://is.gd/tggblogs | "Irrational numbers don't end with seven"
04:36 lwq1996 .define conspiracy keanu
04:36 BotSteve Couldn't get any definitions for conspiracy keanu.
04:36 lwq1996 .g conspiracy keanu
04:36 BotSteve lwq1996: http://www.quickmeme.com/conspiracy-keanu/
04:44 BatSteve .seen astro73
04:44 BotSteve BatSteve: I last saw astro73 26.90 hours ago at 2012-05-18 01:50:38 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:44:22 UTC
04:44 BatSteve BotSteve: tell astro73 to check this out.  http://gaming.stackexchange.com/q/67832/5398
04:44 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when Astronouth7303 is around.
04:44 BotSteve Title: Is Minecraft (PC) Controller-Friendly? - Gaming
04:44 BatSteve thanks BotSteve
04:44 BotSteve No problem, BatSteve
04:44 astro73|roam hm?
04:44 BotSteve astronouth7303: I have the following messages for you:
04:44 BotSteve At 04:44Z, Batsteve asked me to tell astronouth7303 to check this out.  http://gaming.stackexchange.com/q/67832/5398
04:45 astro73|roam yup, that's basically how it works
04:45 astro73|roam although several brands of controllers come with such software now
04:45 astro73|roam i basically rolled my own
04:45 astro73|roam and it's not the first time i've done it
04:51 egrsteve .random
04:51 egrsteve hmm, i though there was a number gen
04:51 egrsteve .dice 15
04:51 BotSteve egrsteve: Can't translate that! Use '.dice 1d20' or '.dice 1 20' format
04:51 egrsteve fine
04:52 egrsteve .dice 1n36
04:52 BotSteve egrsteve: Can't translate that! Use '.dice 1d20' or '.dice 1 20' format
04:52 egrsteve .dice 1d36
04:52 BotSteve egrsteve: [9] =  9
04:52 egrsteve .dice 1d3
04:52 BotSteve egrsteve: [2] =  2
04:53 egrsteve .dice 1d36
04:53 BotSteve egrsteve: [31] =  31
04:54 egrsteve .dice 1d12
04:54 BotSteve egrsteve: [9] =  9
04:54 Sleepurrr ,dice 3d12+3
04:54 Sleepurrr .dice 3d12+3
04:54 BotSteve Sleepurrr: [11, 1, 8] +3 =  23
04:56 egrsteve .dice 1d36
04:56 BotSteve egrsteve: [24] =  24
04:56 Sleepurrr .dice 4d3.6/2
04:56 BotSteve Sleepurrr: Can't translate that! (If you're using d notation, don't use spaces)
04:57 Sleepurrr .dice 3d17*3
04:57 BotSteve Sleepurrr: Can't translate that! (If you're using d notation, don't use spaces)
04:57 egrsteve .dice 1d12
04:57 BotSteve egrsteve: [2] =  2
05:00 LittleCreature .dice 1d0
05:00 BotSteve LittleCreature: Non-Euclidean dice not supported!
05:01 LittleCreature .dice 0d1
05:01 BotSteve LittleCreature: Non-Euclidean dice not supported!
05:01 LittleCreature .dice 0d2
05:01 BotSteve LittleCreature: [] =  0
05:01 egrsteve .dice 99999999999d9999999
05:01 BotSteve egrsteve: [64, 8, 244, 808, 498, 620, 920, 310, 481, 351] =  4304
05:02 egrsteve hmm
05:02 LittleCreature .dice 1d-2
05:02 BotSteve LittleCreature: Can't translate that! (If you're using d notation, don't use spaces)
05:02 egrsteve .dice 9d9999999
05:02 BotSteve egrsteve: [824, 519, 719, 152, 344, 913, 240, 537, 193] =  4441
05:02 egrsteve .dice 9d999999
05:02 BotSteve egrsteve: [53, 776, 973, 206, 527, 351, 803, 165, 24] =  3878
05:02 egrsteve .dice 9d99999
05:02 BotSteve egrsteve: [550, 541, 979, 883, 168, 786, 147, 994, 625] =  5673
05:02 egrsteve .dice 100d10
05:02 BotSteve egrsteve: [6, 9, 8, 10, 7, 8, 8, 8, 2, 9] =  75
05:03 Sleepurrr .dice 1d1-1
05:03 BotSteve Sleepurrr: Non-Euclidean dice not supported!
05:03 egrsteve it seems to limit number of dice to 10
05:03 Sleepurrr 1d2-1d2
05:03 Sleepurrr .dice 1d2-1d2
05:03 BotSteve Sleepurrr: Can't understand that
05:03 Sleepurrr 1d2-2.1
05:03 Sleepurrr grr
05:04 Sleepurrr .dice 1d2-2.1
05:04 BotSteve Sleepurrr: Can't understand that
05:04 Sleepurrr .dice 1d2-2
05:04 BotSteve Sleepurrr: [2] -2 =  0
05:04 LittleCreature .dice 1d4294967297
05:04 BotSteve LittleCreature: [884] =  884
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05:06 LittleCreature .dice 1d18446744073709551616
05:06 BotSteve LittleCreature: [46] =  46
05:07 LittleCreature what is this bot written in?
05:07 wannabe-vidgame tonsofpcs: yeah, i don't care tho.....
05:13 tehdark45 ptyhon
05:14 tehdark45 python*
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05:23 LittleCreature no hope in overflowing the internet in the dice game then :\
05:24 Sleepurrr i'd be impressed if somone could organize a D&D in here
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05:36 lwq1996 i got to go. i got to get up at 7
05:38 lwq1996 night wannabe1987
05:39 tehdark45 bye lwq1996
05:39 tehdark45 y u get up at 7 on saturday? u be crazy :P
05:43 einball g'morning
05:43 einball saturday - Train leaves quite early: 0800
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05:48 LittleCreature >.<
05:50 einball :)
05:50 einball whatsup LittleCreature
05:51 einball uhm - see you :)
06:03 wannabe1987 ....
06:04 wannabe1987 hi LittleCreature, you ok?
06:05 LittleCreature hi
06:05 LittleCreature sorry meant for another channel
06:05 wannabe1987 ahhh.  happens.
06:06 LittleCreature people are rude when you are about to beat them in a game of backgammon online
06:06 LittleCreature they kick you from the table if they started the game
06:06 wannabe1987 lol  i wouldn't know, i don't play backgammon :P
06:06 wannabe1987 i did just get done playing little big planet 2, on 2 player :)
06:12 FearOfMusic is that a video game then?
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06:18 Electricguy morning
06:22 FearOfMusic hello
06:39 wannabe1987 what do geek group members do for "fun" on a whateverday/time this is?  fix my washer....cuz their clothes are wet inside it.....
06:39 wannabe1987 stupid washer
06:39 * wannabe1987 gives Electricguy coffee
06:39 Electricguy WOOHOOW! :D
06:39 Electricguy thx!
06:39 wannabe1987 no prob
06:41 Electricguy :P
06:41 wannabe1987 .seen kawaiijess
06:41 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw KawaiiJess 32.15 hours ago at 2012-05-17 22:32:49 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 06:41:43 UTC
06:44 Electricguy lol! :D http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-fake-facts-8.jpg?w=500&amp;h=391
06:47 wannabe1987 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/47581_488802249616_103137454616_5502903_2434775_n.jpg
06:48 wannabe1987 :D
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07:01 Electricguy ... XD
07:01 Electricguy morning Chipguy :P
07:01 Chipguy yawn morning eg
07:02 Electricguy it's not fun when you have a bee that want to be your best friend in the bedroom 07:00 in the morning.. :P
07:03 wannabe1987 ...
07:03 Chipguy Uff
07:04 Chipguy that sucks
07:04 wannabe1987 but you're so nice to bees....smack it!
07:04 Electricguy well.. he didn't hurt me or anything.. XD
07:04 Chipguy at least it was no wasp
07:05 Electricguy would you like to be smacked so mush just because you are lost in someones bedroom? :P
07:10 wannabe1987 maybe?
07:11 Electricguy fair enough :)
07:11 wannabe1987 depends on whose room.  boden or sero's?  probably....to spare my mind the horrors....
07:12 Electricguy i wonder what bodens bedroom looks like.. XD
07:12 wannabe1987 probably very vanilla....kinky stuff would be hidden
07:13 Electricguy lol :P
07:13 Electricguy that secret light switch on the wall that turns the room into a love dungeon! XD
07:18 Electricguy new CB! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwvlOtLYPJ8&amp;feature=g-u-u
07:18 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 5-18-2012 New Gear, Fun with Death Mothers, and Arson Boners - YouTube
07:20 einball hm
07:23 wannabe1987 wtf is "arson boners"?
07:34 wannabe-zz 3:30am i'm going to bed....night
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07:35 LemPhone captainniobe, you awake?
07:36 LemPhone botsteve: tell captainniobe her computer parts are ready for pickup, we'll do it on monday.
07:36 BotSteve LemPhone: I'll pass that on when CaptainNiobe is around.
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07:46 Experimentonomen guten morgen peepz
07:46 Electricguy morning
07:47 * wannabe-zz gives Experimentonomen coffee as well, goes back to sleep
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08:08 * Experimentonomen download Vechs Super Hostile Lethamyr version E (easy mode, hardcore disabled)
08:12 * Thermoelectric decides that the comparators he has are dead.
08:13 Experimentonomen did u remember that comparators are open collector output ?
08:14 Thermoelectric Mmm.
08:15 Thermoelectric How would I go about testing them in that case?
08:15 Experimentonomen a resistor of a few kohms to Vcc
08:15 Thermoelectric The output should still go high when I have the - input grounded, and the + input to Vcc?
08:16 Thermoelectric Okay.
08:16 Experimentonomen the output cannot ho high without this collector resistor to Vcc
08:23 Thermoelectric I appear to be having breadboard power issues...
08:23 Experimentonomen hm
08:24 Experimentonomen your breadboard is worn out
08:25 Thermoelectric I think it was just the weird layout of the side power rails. Looks like they split half way down..
08:29 Thermoelectric Should the output be high if the inverting and non inverting input are both grounded?
08:35 Experimentonomen if both inputs are at the save potential, the output will be undetermined as in sometimes high, sometimes low
08:35 Experimentonomen same*
08:36 Experimentonomen one of the input has to be higher than the other in order to get a solid 1 or 0 on the output
08:37 Thermoelectric Hmm, okay.
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08:43 Thermoelectric Looks like it is working, awesome. Just have to tweak the opto-interrupter input a bit.
09:05 Electricguy made a little shelf for the server display.. http://i.imgur.com/KTskd.jpg
09:06 Experimentonomen so many moniters
09:07 Electricguy only 4... :P
09:11 Thermoelectric Someone just called the cops on my sister and her friends playing on the driveway because they were "concerned". Hah!
09:12 Chipguy lol
09:12 Chipguy what are you doing ?
09:12 Chipguy NASA control center huh :P
09:12 Electricguy no.. geek computer workstation.. :P
09:13 Chipguy oh
09:13 Chipguy i like donald duck at the wall
09:13 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/uE8NT.jpg
09:13 Chipguy must be from earlier childhodd :P
09:13 Electricguy yerah my grandpa made that painting
09:14 Chipguy ahh
09:14 Chipguy ok
09:14 Chipguy Experimentonomen: where is your laptop ?
09:15 Experimentonomen dead and buried
09:15 Chipguy doh
09:18 Experimentonomen http://imgur.com/a/8uhR3 <-- the replacement
09:18 BotSteve Title: pc stuff - Imgur
09:18 Experimentonomen all for just 200 euros
09:19 Experimentonomen and that includes 16GB ram
09:25 Electricguy lol! http://www.damnlol.com/2-girls-with-1-really-shocked-pussy-20053.html
09:25 BotSteve Title: 2 Girls With 1 Really Shocked Pussy! - Damn! LOL
09:26 Experimentonomen hm
09:28 Electricguy minecraft is borked
09:32 Experimentonomen and its weekend so dont expect anything until monday
09:32 Experimentonomen unless mojang HQ is actually jeb's or Notch's home
09:37 Experimentonomen actually mc seem to work again
09:42 Electricguy oki
10:06 Chipguy ok guys gtg
10:06 Chipguy hack you later :P
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11:10 Experimentonomen aight 2 wools into lethamyr and 2-3 deaths
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11:31 mashpriborintorg hello all
11:32 mashpriborintorg trying to figure out how I can turn the living room table into a video shoot studio
11:32 Experimentonomen g'day mash
11:32 mashpriborintorg the ceiling is white, so I will use it for indirect lightning
11:33 mashpriborintorg first shoot will be the autopsy of a car A/C control panel
11:38 Experimentonomen hm
11:40 mashpriborintorg it may happen tomorrow
11:40 mashpriborintorg yay in 10 days there's a fkeamarket in my street
11:40 mashpriborintorg no need to wake up early, take the car, it's just downstairs
11:41 mashpriborintorg and when it ends I can pick up all the leftovers :p
11:42 mashpriborintorg The previous years I got a PS/2, a big Canon laser printer, a UPS, all free
11:47 Experimentonomen hm
11:59 Experimentonomen i havent been to a fleamarket in years
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12:01 mashpriborintorg <<<it's like roulette, most of the time you get nothing, but some times you find the awesome
12:02 mashpriborintorg it's in a fleamarket I found my very first aircraft intrument :p
12:03 Experimentonomen i'd like to find some half old dead high power PA amp to gut for parts
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12:04 Experimentonomen like 1500W into 4 ohms bridged or something like that
12:04 Leepod God do I hate being sick.
12:05 mashpriborintorg check ebay and trift store for old dj equipment
12:05 Experimentonomen forget ebay, intl shipping or any shipping would just not be worth it
12:06 Experimentonomen my best bet is the local recycling facility(junkyard) E-scrap skip, but theres a catch
12:07 Experimentonomen its illegal to grab stuff, if caught its pretty much the same charges as robbing a grocery store
12:07 Experimentonomen or even the same as robbing a bank
12:09 mashpriborintorg yeah... same here, and it's completely stupid
12:09 mashpriborintorg try to intercept the stuff before it enters the yard :p
12:10 Experimentonomen and in the few places where u can actually buy the e-scrap, its almost as much as the same iten would cost new in a store
12:14 mashpriborintorg and streetsides don't offer anything more than old cardboxes and furniture parts nowadays
12:15 Electricguy i wonder how tricky it is to transmit serial data over a DC power line..
12:16 Electricguy did some small testing earlier.. didn't work
12:16 Electricguy the data have to be at a higher level than the DC voltage i think..
12:17 Experimentonomen i think u have to convert it to FSK modulation just like the old modems that u put the telephone handpiece into
12:17 Electricguy myeah maybe
12:18 Electricguy it's a piece of cake with RF though
12:18 Electricguy just put low pass filters for the DC and high pass for the RF..
12:18 Electricguy that works great
12:19 Experimentonomen hm
12:19 Electricguy but serial data seem to have too low freq for that to work
12:20 Experimentonomen aint serial data some kinda manchester code ?
12:20 Electricguy no idea what that is
12:21 Experimentonomen me neither
12:21 Electricguy but the main problem atm is that the DC power is 5V.. so is the serial data
12:21 Electricguy so the data has to be of higher level to ride over the DC
12:21 Electricguy otherwise it's not going to give a crap out
12:22 Experimentonomen maybe look into how that ethernet over the mains thing works
12:22 Electricguy i did try to drive a smartFET with the data and modulate the output of a small 15V boost converter and then DC couple it...
12:22 Electricguy i may need bigger coupling caps though
12:22 Experimentonomen maybe use a diode on the transmitting end to allow the DC to rise higher than the 5V out
12:23 Electricguy myeah maybe
12:23 Experimentonomen though that may just cause the dc to slowly work its way up to a higher voltage due to capacitors and what not
12:23 Electricguy myeah
12:24 Electricguy i just realized that caps wont work..
12:24 Electricguy as the data signal is 5V or whatever relative to ground
12:24 Electricguy so it's just going to charge up the caps
12:24 Experimentonomen the only thing i can think of is adding the serial signal as a "noise" to the clean dc line and have the receiver just amplify the noise on the line and somehow filter out the signal from the natural noise
12:25 Electricguy perhaps i can run the data with negative voltage and use diodes
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12:45 Cj1corbystarlet Omg i get to see and actual live event !
12:47 Experimentonomen ?
12:47 Electricguy huh?!
12:50 Cj1corbystarlet sorry that statement may seem weird
12:50 Cj1corbystarlet I'm watching the live feed with the IRC on
12:50 Cj1corbystarlet A wood workers demonsration is being setup in the lab at the moment
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12:52 * Electronics gets up the livestream
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12:54 * Experimentonomen is listenin to music on teh cheap chinese counterfeit lm3886 chipamp
12:58 einball hay!
13:01 Electricguy straw!
13:02 mashpriborintorg berry
13:02 einball yummy :]
13:03 Electronics is it just me, or is there no sound on the stream atm?
13:04 mashpriborintorg it will come, no panic
13:04 mashpriborintorg the stream is laggy tho
13:13 mashpriborintorg it's good to see unusual people at the lab, and all these chairs for audience
13:13 djc_ Hey are there any gg "official" persons here?
13:15 mashpriborintorg check Cprossu, astro73, ynos and egrsteve, but they may be away from keyboard
13:16 djc_ Ah well.. I'll just throw it out there...
13:17 djc_ I've only recently discovered gg... wondering how I can participate/contribute... etc..  Would like to stop by some time and see the lab.. due to my work schedule, evenings dont work for me, and even afternoons arent the best..
13:17 djc_ wondering if people are ever around in the mornings, during the week
13:18 djc_ Or.. saturday afternoon
13:18 CaptainNiobe good morning, all. :)
13:18 BotSteve captainniobe: I have the following messages for you:
13:18 BotSteve At 07:36Z, LemPhone asked me to tell captainniobe her computer parts are ready for pickup, we'll do it on monday.
13:18 CaptainNiobe thank you, BotSteve.
13:18 BotSteve Happy to help, CaptainNiobe
13:18 Cj1corbystarlet evening :)
13:18 djc_ CaptainNiobe, love the nick
13:18 CaptainNiobe hey cj, good to see you on again :)
13:18 djc_ Some things never change
13:19 Cj1corbystarlet yeah i watching thee livefeed
13:19 CaptainNiobe lol... thank you, djc_, welcome to the geek group.
13:19 Cj1corbystarlet *the
13:19 djc_ "Some things never change"
13:19 CaptainNiobe "some things do change." :D
13:19 djc_ Heh
13:19 djc_ there you go
13:20 CaptainNiobe you don't think i'd use this nick without being a matrix fan, do you? :P
13:20 djc_ Of course not
13:20 djc_ I've watched them... well.. ive lost count.. dozens of times, at least
13:21 CaptainNiobe me too, but it's been a while for me... i got into it late, too, the matrix and reloaded were already on dvd...
13:21 djc_ many of those times were, when I was trying to recompress all three of them to fit on a single dvd5 with a menu, and my encoder would keep losing sync between the audio and the video..
13:21 djc_ so.. I would start playing the latest attempt... to check the sync... and..
13:22 djc_ end up watching it all the wy throu
13:22 djc_ I did eventually succeed... somewhere Ive got that ISO.
13:22 CaptainNiobe lol... :)
13:23 djc_ I have a server named neo
13:23 Cj1corbystarlet I'd just say to hell with it and have 3 cd's in one case :)
13:23 djc_ It is however not got long to remain.. its a vhost.. and im switching providers
13:23 djc_ the new one is "who"
13:24 CaptainNiobe they *did* have a 9-disc box set that included the movies and the animatrix...
13:25 CaptainNiobe so my cat uses his cold nose to say good morning lol
13:25 djc_ anyway.. was trying to see who to get in touch with to see if either anyone is around the lab on a morning, say around 9ish.. or late afternoon on a saturday..
13:25 Cj1corbystarlet laaggggg pita !
13:26 djc_ id like to stop by and see the place.. shoot the bull... etc..
13:26 Cj1corbystarlet sat afternoon their should be people around
13:27 djc_ cool.. I think I'll try to swing by next sat then..
13:28 Cj1corbystarlet But i'm in another country, so it may pay to ring ahead ?
13:28 djc_ I tried to call their number.. uhm.. i forget when.. it just went to voicemail
13:28 djc_ what country re you in?
13:28 Cj1corbystarlet Australia
13:28 djc_ I see
13:29 Cj1corbystarlet TGG can be reached at 616-466-GEEK
13:29 CaptainNiobe i'm in australia too, on the oppposite side of the country to cj... :D
13:30 djc_ yeah, thats the # I hve
13:30 Cj1corbystarlet cool
13:30 djc_ (Btw, please excuse the occasional missed "A".. My mid 90's era northgate omnikey is cranky about that particular key)
13:31 Cj1corbystarlet please excuse my total lack of ability to type on a keyboard on my sofa late at night also :)
13:32 djc_ Out of curiosity, are you a transplant? How did you come to be involved in Michigan/US based group from Aus?
13:32 Cj1corbystarlet laying down with a beer in one hand
13:32 djc_ you'r doing it wrong.. need beers in both hands
13:32 Cj1corbystarlet World wide web, brings the world into my computer for me
13:32 CaptainNiobe lol... how's he gonna type with a beer in both hands? :P
13:33 djc_ Jack in
13:33 djc_ Damn that would be handy tho..
13:34 Cj1corbystarlet i could dangle something over the keyboard and .....
13:34 djc_ NO DANGLING!
13:34 CaptainNiobe not cool having to eat that goop though... lol... that would suck
13:35 Cj1corbystarlet Ii was thinking a "Plumb bob" attached to one hand holding the beer
13:35 djc_ You mean Tastee Wheat?
13:35 djc_ :P
13:35 mashpriborintorg mmm... all old peoples in the mdh
13:36 Cj1corbystarlet lots a shiney heads :)
13:37 CaptainNiobe i think the tastee wheat thing was mouse's way of complaining... lol...
13:37 djc_ I think they only te that on the ships.. I think back in Zion there was "real" food.. or t least something better than the goop
13:38 djc_ You know, I think my wifi uplink gets screw when my microwave oven is on
13:38 djc_ screwY
13:38 djc_ my net goes to hell
13:38 CaptainNiobe but would food not have been a gift to neo when the citizens were asking for help?
13:39 Cj1corbystarlet Change the wireless settings on your microwave :)
13:39 djc_ Yeh but if they had it to give to neo, im sure there were others that had it too.
13:39 djc_ heh
13:39 djc_ perhaps its leaking.. I should get one of those detector things
13:40 Cj1corbystarlet yeah that would be a good indication of a leak
13:40 CaptainNiobe that's what i mean, i don't recall seeing food as an offering in the scene neo and trinity stepped out of their quarters...
13:40 djc_ I seem to recall seeing baskets with bread or something
13:41 djc_ well my mic is done now, so time to get my grub
13:41 CaptainNiobe out of curiosity: do you think neo died in revolutions?
13:42 djc_ Uhm.. it seemed obvious to me.. thats how the machines got rid of smith
13:42 Experimentonomen neo ? u talking The Matrix here ?
13:42 CaptainNiobe i know, same feeling... but at the forum i used to run, some of my members believed neo didn't die
13:42 CaptainNiobe yes, Experimentonomen
13:42 djc_ smith made neo part of himself, then since the machines had a "hard link" to neo, they used that to self-destruct the entire combintion
13:43 djc_ well, its a fictional story anyway...
13:44 CaptainNiobe it is, but kinda scary if you look at the history, the stories as told in the animatrix...
13:45 djc_ net is much more stable now
13:45 Cj1corbystarlet some audio would be great right about now ....
13:46 djc_ wired isnt an option, unless anyone knows where I can hire  trained gopher or mole
13:46 tonsofpcs wannabe-zz: that's the spirit :) [I don't care either :-p]
13:48 djc_ just called em and told em the audio was still out
13:49 djc_ gal that answered said shed let them know
13:49 exor674 .. lol
13:49 Electricguy i wonder in what way the shed is going to lewt you know :)
13:49 exor674 aw my mom got her first ever BSoD on her laptop apparently, and called me freaking out
13:49 Cj1corbystarlet We are having an international crisis here!!!  :)
13:49 Electricguy let*
13:50 djc_ so I missed an apostrophe... shoot me
13:50 Cj1corbystarlet Bang
13:50 Cj1corbystarlet :)
13:50 djc_ i think they are playing with it.. i hear noise.. but still no actual sound
13:52 Cj1corbystarlet all i get is very very faint static
13:52 djc_ there is the very faintest of what might be  the guy talking, if I turn it all the way up..
13:52 Electricguy i wonder how i select what UART i want to use on an Arduino MEGA...
13:53 djc_ wonder if they've got a short in a mic line or something
13:53 djc_ anyone that actually there also in this chan?
13:54 Electricguy no idea
13:54 Electricguy i can't see any nick with MC on the end
13:54 Electricguy MC for MasterControl
13:54 djc_ ah
13:55 Cj1corbystarlet they are working on it at the moment,
13:55 djc_ who was that in the green dress?
13:55 djc_ wasnt that.. uhm.. someone important.. ?
13:55 Electricguy looks like Moose..
13:55 Cj1corbystarlet moose
13:56 djc_ Yeah.. Saw here in the videos on the site..
13:56 djc_ I'm almost fraid to ask how she got that nickname
13:56 Electricguy Gibroni looks insanely busy.. :P
13:56 djc_ she certinly doesnt LOOK remotely like a moose
13:56 Electricguy djc_, lol. i wonder the same thing XD
13:56 Cj1corbystarlet killed a moose with only a red lipstick
13:56 mashpriborintorg Lz has a pink dress today
14:00 Cj1corbystarlet brb
14:00 djc_ well I hear some coughing.. still with the volume at my end maxed..
14:01 djc_ wish there was a lower bitrate stream.. mine is stopping and starting
14:02 djc_ well I guess it wasnt meant to be
14:04 Cj1corbystarlet the clapping was louder, maybe just bad mike placent on the camera ?
14:05 djc_ dunno.. ive closed the video
14:06 Cj1corbystarlet yeah ive got to go also, got to fly tomorrow morning
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14:07 Cj1corbystarlet Good night all, catch ya all later
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14:23 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon sparky
14:23 SparkyProjects Hi
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14:25 SparkyProjects Hi Windigo
14:26 Windigo hello!
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14:26 SparkyProjects Are you the one from the other chat ?
14:27 JustLurking jtv yes
14:27 SparkyProjects welcome
14:27 Windigo probobly not, just picked a username logging in here :)
14:28 Windigo i am in justin tv if thats what you mean
14:28 SparkyProjects Sometimes can be quiet in irc, but it should pick up later
14:28 JustLurking watching  the Chris and Paul  on the site.
14:28 JustLurking video
14:29 SparkyProjects Windigo, i was just chatting to someone on JTV and 2 of you logged in at the same time afyer i linked to here
14:31 Windigo yes I saw the link so roamed to here
14:32 SparkyProjects So Windigo, you're the radio ham ?
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14:33 Windigo No , probobly another Windigo hehe
14:33 SparkyProjects ah, ok, one person watching JTV has a radio callsign
14:35 Windigo I see, I have wanted to get a licence for a long time just never got arround to it
14:38 InteliWasp for s technician licence, all it is is just common sence questions, it was very easy
14:38 InteliWasp the general was hardr, it was all rules and stuf
14:40 Windigo I dont hav my gear anymore , could be sometime before ill need one.
14:40 JustLurking you ever watch the  ham show on twit.tv?
14:41 Windigo no didnt know there was one :)
14:42 JustLurking http://twit.tv/show/ham-nation/48
14:42 BotSteve Title: Ham Nation 48 | TWiT.TV
14:43 JustLurking thats anice bot
14:43 JustLurking i must have one myslef :)
14:43 JustLurking bah
14:43 Windigo Thanks! ill have to check that out
14:45 Windigo not sure if the justin tv video is pausing for 2 seconds every 5 to 10 sec for everyone or if its just me
14:46 JustLurking heading out . havea great day folks
14:48 Windigo not watchable going to try a reboot to see if its me
14:51 Electricguy did some more work on the Arduino based digital thermometer/hygrometer.. :)
14:51 Electricguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOPGcW3a9hg
14:51 BotSteve Title: DHT11 Arduino Thermometer/hygrometer update.. AGAIN! =D - YouTube
14:51 Electricguy a bit more fancy now
14:55 Experimentonomen you my good sirt is a master programmer
14:56 Experimentonomen coding ascii art in c code is very hard
14:56 Electricguy dude.. it's ASCII art.. XD not rocket science! :D
14:56 SparkyProjects Cool, would be even nicer if the dht11 was inside the box ;)
14:56 Electricguy it's outdoors :P
14:56 Experimentonomen your approaching the level of complexity seen in the hardware chiptune project
14:56 Electricguy under a wind guard :)
14:57 SparkyProjects I meant the electronics part
14:58 Electricguy huh? :P
14:58 Electricguy the sensor is just a little board :P
14:58 Experimentonomen i think he means the ardu itself
14:59 Electricguy oh!
14:59 Electricguy well.. nah :P that box is only supposed to be a experiment platform :)
14:59 SparkyProjects ah, ok
15:01 Electricguy i am thinking about putting it in a box though
15:01 Electricguy but i'm going to buy a DHT22 sensor first and try that one
15:01 Electricguy it's more expensive but got MUCH better performance
15:02 djc_ http://www.megadave.net/tstat/
15:02 djc_ the top line is the indoor temp, the 'grayed' line is the outside temp
15:03 Electricguy oki :)
15:03 djc_ the indoor line goes red when the heats on, blue when the AC is on
15:03 djc_ just thought Id shre
15:03 djc_ share
15:03 djc_ seemed relevant
15:03 Electricguy yeah it's neat :P
15:04 djc_ the indoor info comes from a wifi thermostat... the outdoor comes from  $20 usb themometer I ran out to a hole I put in an outside door frame
15:04 djc_ all tied together with mrtg and some scripts I threw together
15:05 djc_ er.. rrttool.. not mrtg
15:05 djc_ rrdtool
15:05 Electricguy ah nice :)
15:06 djc_ I can control the thermostat from my iPhone.. even if Im not home
15:06 Electricguy lol :P
15:06 djc_ that parts not related to my scripts/graphs.. its an app from the wifi tstat company
15:06 Electricguy i see
15:12 tonsofpcs I need to build an external (computer-controlled) thermostat for my 'window' AC...
15:13 tonsofpcs I'm thinking just leave it in 'high cool' mode, cranked to lowest temp, and either a massive relay on the incoming hot or a relay on the control circuitry (depending on how it interconnects)
15:16 djc_ id recommend you try to connect to the internal control circuit if you can
15:16 djc_ rather than cutting all power
15:18 djc_ fwiw, this is what im using:
15:18 djc_ http://www.homedepot.com/buy/electrical-home-automation-security-home-automation-climate-control/filtrete-7-day-touchscreen-wifi-enabled-programmable-thermostat-with-backlight-182800.html
15:18 BotSteve Title: Wifi Thermostat from Filtrete | The Home Depot - Model#: 3M-50
15:19 djc_ rather than relying on the computer to function, its a real standalone thermostat.. in my case, even if the pc fails, the heat will still work t whatever the last setting was
15:19 djc_ no frozen pipes
15:19 djc_ anyway, but what its set to can be set from computer, via an API
15:26 SparkyProjects Controlling window AC should always be done via the control circuit, smaller relays can be used, and makes use of any other internal control (overrun of the fan etc), also, be sure to include a 'mechanical' means of ptrevnting over heating or over cooling if the computer messes up
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15:34 djc_ SparkyProjects, thats why im thinking a computer-settable thermostat, which continues to function even if the computer stops working, rather than using the computer itself as the thermostat
15:36 SparkyProjects I used to work on industrial AC, all computer controlled, but had things like Danfoss stats as protection
15:36 SparkyProjects Sure you could have an electronic stat that you set via a computer, but if the electronic stat wnet down, you'd want the system to fail safe
15:38 SparkyProjects And i mean, you could stand inside one of the fan units
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15:44 MadManMarkAu They need to move the stream camera, we can't see anything
15:44 SparkyProjects I think that meeting has just finished
15:44 MadManMarkAu Oh, I just missed it :<
15:45 MadManMarkAu What was it about?
15:45 SparkyProjects It was the GR woodturners guild
15:45 Experimentonomen http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/212307-how-does-btl-double-voltage-swing-4.html <-- man that AndrewT guy is so full of BS :/
15:45 BotSteve Title: How does BTL double the voltage swing? - Page 4 - diyAudio
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15:53 Kb3nzq_ipad Has any one on here had any luck connecting to a minecraft server on a pc in the local network from minecraft pocket on IPad?
15:54 Kb3nzq_ipad Never mind I just was told that I have to go out
15:54 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon miss lisa
15:55 ThunderJuggs hi
15:56 electricguy_ howdy Lisa! :P
15:59 ThunderJuggs hi
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16:04 wannabe1987 hi lisa!
16:04 ThunderJuggs KELLY!
16:05 wannabe1987 i'm leaving in a few hun....won't have internet the rest of the day, i'm assuming
16:15 * BitViper sneaks in, finds a chair in a corner and stares evilly at the nearest wall
16:15 Electricguy lol
16:16 Electricguy Chris should really get some better looking wheels for his car.. lol :P
16:19 tonsofpcs why? it''s not like you ever see them in one plce :-p
16:19 Electricguy but the current ones look like shit :P
16:20 * ThunderJuggs sighes
16:20 Experimentonomen .cookie ThunderJuggs
16:20 BotSteve Here you go, ThunderJuggs, I baked you a shortbread cookie!
16:20 ThunderJuggs thanks
16:20 tonsofpcs mmm, coooooookie
16:20 tonsofpcs what's for breakfast? :)
16:21 * Experimentonomen dreams about a nice cold trocadero cuz all he has is yucky tap water :/
16:22 ThunderJuggs awww i want pancakes
16:22 ThunderJuggs i hate being broke
16:22 Experimentonomen i have like 6 or 60 cents on my account
16:23 tonsofpcs mm, pancakes
16:23 tonsofpcs I need to clean my griddle for pancakes though
16:28 Electricguy hmmm.. i got a tube that looks like it's a lightbulb with 2 filaments...
16:28 Electricguy says 16STE on it
16:29 Electricguy or perhaps ITT L102/2K
16:29 mashpriborintorg some power resistor I believe, already seem that
16:29 mashpriborintorg *ssen
16:30 Electricguy this is all i can find about it... http://vintagetvandradio.myfreeforum.org/L102_2K_about1100.html
16:30 BotSteve Title: • View topic - L102/2K
16:30 Electricguy seems to be some crude regulator
16:30 Electricguy current regulator
16:31 mashpriborintorg mmm it should look nice in my living room http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bundeswehr-US-Army-Flugkorper-Leitwerk-Flugzeug-Rakete-Marschflugkorper-/280882569429?pt=Militaria&amp;hash=item4165e7e0d5
16:31 BotSteve Title: Bundeswehr US Army Flugkörper Leitwerk Flugzeug Rakete Marschflugkörper | eBay
16:32 mashpriborintorg far too expensive sadly
16:32 Electricguy lol
16:33 mashpriborintorg and may bring some WAF issues too
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16:56 killakee hrmf
16:56 killakee shouldnt a nst ark from both outputs to ground ?
16:57 SparkyProjects Normally, yes
16:57 killakee doh
16:57 SparkyProjects What is happening with yours ?
16:57 killakee mine just arks from one output to ground
16:57 SparkyProjects WHat output voltage is it ?
16:57 killakee but it arks from one output to the other
16:58 killakee 3.0 - e - 3.0
17:00 SparkyProjects Ah, that's strange
17:00 SparkyProjects If it was just a e - 6.0 then it could be that it's the way it's made, ^KV is relatively easy to insulate from ground in the better transformers
17:00 SparkyProjects 6KV *
17:01 SparkyProjects How long is the arc ? (approx)
17:01 killakee yeah it should be 3 kv from both outputs..
17:01 killakee like 1cm
17:01 killakee maybe 2
17:01 Electricguy perhaps both outputs are configured in such a way that tyhey cancel eahother out
17:02 Electricguy IE. in phase
17:02 killakee hmmm.. it coul be
17:02 Electricguy then you can hook them in parallel and get double the current
17:02 SparkyProjects no point in that Eg
17:02 Electricguy no but it's possible
17:02 killakee ;)
17:02 killakee no
17:02 killakee its not
17:03 Electricguy ehm, yes.
17:03 killakee eh no
17:03 Electricguy why not?
17:03 killakee ressin block nst
17:03 SparkyProjects 2cm sounds about right for 6kv
17:03 killakee how on eart would i change a phase then
17:03 killakee ok
17:03 killakee good
17:03 BitViper Electricguy : look at the latest new sparkfun products, there's a gadget there that should make a nice spark source
17:03 Electricguy killakee, it doesn't matter at all if it's a resin block NST or not. the outputs can still be in phase with eachother
17:04 killakee i git a 10kv 50ma nst on the way
17:04 killakee got even :)
17:04 Electricguy to change the phase on one output you need to unwind one winding and wind it on in the other direction again
17:04 killakee then how would i do that ?
17:05 killakee hehe
17:05 killakee that cant be done with that nst
17:05 Electricguy of course it can
17:05 Electricguy if you dissolve all the resin
17:05 killakee its cast ressin block transformer
17:05 Electricguy yes i know
17:05 killakee oh lord
17:06 Electricguy but it is in fact possible to dissolve the resin..
17:06 killakee no that aint happening
17:06 killakee hehe
17:06 SparkyProjects Don't go messing with melting
17:06 killakee heck no
17:06 killakee dont worry
17:06 killakee ;)
17:06 Electricguy also, you can still hook the outputs in parallel with eachother...
17:07 killakee to bad the new nst is only 50 ma
17:07 Electricguy just connect the two outputs to eachother and you got the same voltage with double the current down to ground
17:07 SparkyProjects turn it on for about 10 mins or more with no load, if it doesn't get abnormally warm, then it should be ok
17:07 SparkyProjects (that's a test to make sure one output isn't shorted to ground)
17:07 killakee jepp
17:08 Electricguy or just measure the resistance between ground and the outputs
17:08 SparkyProjects Eg, i woulldn't suggest that, because if they are not in phase, he'll ruin the nst
17:08 Electricguy but if they are not in phase he would be able to arc between them..
17:09 killakee then they are
17:09 SparkyProjects What was the make and model ?
17:09 killakee one sec
17:09 SparkyProjects or a link to the nst would be good too
17:12 killakee http://www.fart-neon.com/en/products/transformers-/miniblock.html
17:12 BotSteve Title: F.A.R.T. S.p.A. - Our Transformers - Miniblock -
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17:13 Electricguy hello Hackbat  :)
17:13 Hackbat hihi
17:14 SparkyProjects http://www.fart-neon.com/en/technical-datas/transformers-installation/50-istruzioni-resinblock-miniblock.html
17:14 SparkyProjects According to the pdf it suggests that it's definitely centre tapped
17:14 BotSteve Title: Instructions Resinblock / Miniblock
17:15 Electricguy yepp
17:15 killakee and that means ? heh
17:16 killakee that it should ark from both outs to ground ?
17:16 SparkyProjects means he should be getting an arc from each terminal to earth
17:16 Electricguy it feels wrong to help someone with high voltage stuff that don't know jack about how it really works... :P
17:17 Electricguy it's like helping a 12 year old to hook up a MOT that barely knows what a transformer is :P
17:17 SparkyProjects That's the point of TGG, to help them understand
17:17 SparkyProjects Killakee has a good grasp of how it should work
17:17 killakee thanks Electricguy: remind me to never ask you again
17:17 SparkyProjects Have you got a meter ?
17:17 killakee ofcourse
17:17 Electricguy well, yesterday he thought that 12V and 2A into a ignition coil = 20kV and 2A out... :/
17:17 MadManMarkAu http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3458/0004c05ce3e9a3a4a6fe060.jpg
17:17 Electricguy feels.. safe.
17:18 MadManMarkAu DOHOHO!
17:18 SparkyProjects OK, measure the resistance of each terminal to earth, they should be the same (power off of course)
17:18 Electricguy lol! :P
17:18 killakee im not good in math.. thats all
17:18 killakee hehe yeah ill do that
17:19 Electricguy but you should still know the basics before you get on projects that can seriously hurt you or even kill you..
17:19 SparkyProjects He understands that, we have talked in PM before
17:19 Electricguy I really hope so..
17:21 killakee lord Electricguy get a grip man..
17:21 killakee one of the outs 10k ohm the other 11k ohm
17:22 Electricguy awe how cute of you to call me Lord instead of ass, moron or something similar :D
17:22 SparkyProjects Close enough to beig the same
17:22 SparkyProjects So it's weird that it doesn't arc to earth from  both ends
17:22 SparkyProjects Recheck connections and try again
17:22 Electricguy indeed
17:23 Electricguy annoying that there are no phase markings in the PDF...
17:23 killakee will do that ... or just wait for the new nst .. hehe
17:24 killakee but still weird thoug
17:25 SparkyProjects I know that my obit doesn't give the same strength of arc from both terminals, but at least it arcs
17:25 killakee^away hmm..
17:26 Hackbat aaawww :c
17:26 Hackbat http://www.spacex.com/updates.php
17:26 BotSteve Title: SpaceX - Updates
17:26 killakee^away i will try to figure it out later.. without killing myself .....
17:26 Hackbat the computer aborted the launch
17:26 SparkyProjects obit's and nst's are electrically the same, and i've done electrical for yearrs on boilers
17:26 Hackbat stupid computer, worrying about stuff blowing up
17:26 Electricguy yeah computers can be bitchy sometimes..
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17:26 killakee^away but im away a little
17:39 Experimentonomen aight im back on the SYMEF amp, and i think its a bit softer in the mids and highs than the gainclone is
17:46 Electricguy mkay
17:46 Electricguy i wonder if your chips are real or not
17:46 Electricguy well, it depends a lot on the speakers too
17:47 Experimentonomen sharp sounding mids and high can be a indicator if THD
17:47 Experimentonomen though the symef amp simulates 0.11% THD at 20kHz
17:47 Electricguy my gainclone sounds very clean, soft and nice
17:55 Electricguy it's amazing how different amps can sound
17:57 Experimentonomen too bad we dont live closer, or we could have compared your gainclone with mine on the same speakers with the same source and the same song and compared it to the symef amp and my lafet amp
17:57 electricguy_ yeah'
17:57 electricguy_ that would have been very interesting!
17:58 electricguy_ gonna toss up the stream now and do some more work on the class A
17:58 Experimentonomen though i plan to move south if i cant find a decent job up here
17:58 electricguy_ ok it's up
17:59 electricguy_ www.ustream.tv/channel/electricguy
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18:09 zimm hi guys
18:11 zimm what is up with the stream?
18:12 SparkyProjects Looks like they have problems but haven't noticed, i sent a message to Cprossu but he seems to be away from his computer
18:15 mashpriborintorg faethey mioght be working on the network wiring and stuff
18:15 mashpriborintorg *they
18:15 SparkyProjects Maybe
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18:19 SparkyProjects Though if the internet was dropping, then ggr would also drop out
18:19 TGGMC_Cprossu the internet _IS_ dropping out
18:19 TGGMC_Cprossu sadly folks we're experiencing some packet loss
18:19 TGGMC_Cprossu we're loosing 1/10 packets currently
18:19 TGGMC_Cprossu *losing
18:20 TGGMC_Cprossu it's at the comcast node
18:20 TGGMC_Cprossu I am working on getting a 'line tech' to go to the node
18:20 mashpriborintorg you killed it :p
18:20 SparkyProjects ah, ok
18:20 TGGMC_Cprossu sorry for the delay in the stream or lack thereof of a stream
18:20 TGGMC_Cprossu it was killed long before I came here.
18:20 mashpriborintorg we will survive... or try to, at least
18:20 TGGMC_Cprossu we finally have 5mbit upload though
18:21 SparkyProjects cool :)
18:21 mashpriborintorg mmm, eg digging into box o'crap
18:21 TGGMC_Cprossu and they are currently shooting a video in the trevor series
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18:30 dbshortwave anyone into coding an app?
18:33 SparkyProjects TGGMC_Cprossu:  looks like it's fixed atm
18:35 SparkyProjects just the occasional short pauses
18:36 dbshortwave im directing someone to here for help any ideas?
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18:44 Yrouel hello
18:46 dbshortwave hi
18:47 mashpriborintorg hiya
18:47 mashpriborintorg watching eg soldering... I'm thinking that, actually, I desolder much more than I solder
18:51 * Experimentonomen kinda wonders if anyone in eg's channel is missing him
18:51 Chipguy nope
18:51 Chipguy :P
18:52 Experimentonomen oki
18:53 Yrouel wow triple Jacob's ladder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHNqFicTU50
18:53 BotSteve Title: Testing 3ph distribution transformer part 2 - YouTube
18:53 Experimentonomen this sounds like a remix of the intro to the game mokey island
18:53 Yrouel first one I see
18:53 Chipguy u know exp the entire world just exists to hate you :P
18:54 Experimentonomen i can leave if u want
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18:55 Chipguy oh dear
18:55 Yrouel any news about the lasers tgg got?
18:55 Chipguy im just making jokes
18:56 Yrouel how they can resist to not commission them
18:56 Chipguy in fact you havent moaned for quite a while now, which is nice
18:57 Experimentonomen ok lewts se how many weeks my earbuds last this time before i need a new phono plug on them again
18:58 Yrouel is it normal the rsadio on background in the live stream?
19:02 dbshortwave it verys
19:09 Electricguy ok.. got a LOT more gain in the class A amp now :P
19:12 killakee^away hi yroel
19:15 Yrouel hi killakee
19:15 Yrouel I finally made an inrush current limiter for the variac
19:15 Yrouel quick and dirty but it works
19:15 Electricguy lightbulb? :P
19:15 Yrouel yep
19:15 Electricguy oki
19:15 Yrouel with a switch
19:16 Electricguy classic trick :)
19:16 Electricguy and works very goo
19:16 Electricguy good*
19:16 Yrouel the cool thing is that the only thing I bought was the box
19:16 Yrouel the other components where recovered
19:16 Electricguy nice :D
19:17 Yrouel unfortunately I thing it's also the weak point in case I want to pull more current
19:17 Electricguy yes
19:17 Yrouel but I intend to replace it anyway
19:17 Electricguy what you can do is to get a timer relay
19:17 Electricguy so when you first plug it in, the lamp is in series
19:17 Yrouel yea something like that in a proper control box with DIN attachment
19:18 Electricguy after like a second or so the relay kicks in and shorts out the lightbulb
19:18 Electricguy you can of course do in manually with a switch.. but then you have to remember to turn the switch off before you start the variac next time :P
19:19 Yrouel but jeez those electrical boxes are expensive
19:19 Electricguy yeah
19:19 Electricguy almost silly
19:19 Yrouel the simplest one I found on ebay is like 20 euros
19:19 Electricguy lol
19:19 Electricguy insane
19:19 Yrouel about 30 bucks
19:20 Experimentonomen anyone wanna buy a assambled and tested LM3886 based stereo amp ? 75 euros + shipping or 100 euros shipped anywhere in the world
19:20 Electricguy sadly i don't have any money atm..
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19:33 Experimentonomen aight sale thread is up on diyaudio.com
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19:37 Experimentonomen g'evenin Sleepurrr
19:38 Sleepurrr aloha experimentonomen
19:40 mashpriborintorg bionerd23 is more and more freaky, really
19:40 Experimentonomen she scares me
19:41 mashpriborintorg the contaminated her hand with technicium just for the joy of de-contaminating
19:41 mashpriborintorg *she
19:42 mashpriborintorg hmmm, local drugstores doesn't sell techincium I believe
19:43 Electricguy yeah she's a bit weird..
19:43 Electricguy i don't even want to touch radioactive stuff!
19:43 Electricguy damn creepy
19:43 Electricguy ok, alpha radiation is fine..
19:43 Yrouel no you have to get it fresh from the so called technetium pigs
19:43 Yrouel ehm cows
19:43 Yrouel it derived from molibdenum 99
19:43 Yrouel mashpriborintorg while scary what she done is harmlwss
19:44 Yrouel if you think that technetioum 99, is injected to to tyroid diagnostic exams
19:44 Yrouel having it on the hand is harmless
19:44 Yrouel ang generally speaking the hands are one of the parts of the body less sensitive to radiation
19:44 mashpriborintorg sure, but she must play with radioactive things every day...
19:45 Yrouel as far I understood she monitor herself with personal dosimeters and stuff
19:45 mashpriborintorg I hope so
19:46 Yrouel I'm surprised that she got a vial to literally throw away
19:46 Yrouel this stuff is expensive
19:46 Experimentonomen yuck the tap water where i live is so yucky :/
19:46 Yrouel few laboratories in the world produce the molibrenum necesarry to get technitium
19:46 Yrouel is made from research reactors
19:46 Yrouel in*
19:47 mashpriborintorg I believe there is one hidden somewhere in Belgium
19:47 Electricguy HAHAH! XD http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/156138_456470357715756_205344452828349_100699902_130317126_n.jpg
19:47 Yrouel mashpriborintorg the biggest one I know about is in canada
19:47 Yrouel I don't remember the name tho
19:48 mashpriborintorg some universities have small, room sized, barelly critical reactors
19:48 Yrouel beacuse of the fuss and moan about nuclear is being practically impossible to make new reactors to increase the production capacity of medical isotopes
19:49 Yrouel mashpriborintorg yeah but they hardly cover the needs of their country
19:49 Yrouel if you use the reactor to produce such isotopes you can't do other experiments
19:49 Yrouel except if you have neutrons to spare
19:51 mashpriborintorg it does not beat the beaches of Murmansk sea... where you can find abandonned used nuclear combustible assemblies XD
19:51 Yrouel that's a story about the shortage of medical isotopes happened few years ago http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090715/full/460312a.html
19:51 BotSteve Title: Medical isotope shortage reaches crisis level : Nature News
19:51 Yrouel mashpriborintorg yeah
19:52 Yrouel at least us took the effort to clean their mess (hanford for example)
19:52 Yrouel in russia I think there is still some old domestig rtgs
19:53 Yrouel domestic*
19:53 Yrouel strontium 90 based
19:54 mashpriborintorg wait... I have some photos...
19:56 mashpriborintorg Yrouel: http://sylvainm.free.fr/_private/Northern%20Fleet.zip
19:56 mashpriborintorg photo 61F051 is... hot.
19:58 Yrouel wow
19:58 Yrouel yes
19:58 Yrouel scary as hell
19:58 Yrouel uhm
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19:59 Yrouel kudos to the photographer
19:59 Yrouel he or she had balls
20:00 mashpriborintorg in the best case they poured some concrete on it, if not it must still be there
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20:01 Yrouel I'd preferred if they dumped such nuclear fuel in the sea
20:01 Yrouel it's still bad
20:01 Yrouel but at least water provide excellent shielding
20:02 mashpriborintorg noise of the photo must be radiation impact on the film
20:02 Yrouel and alsodilutes whatever escape from the bundles
20:02 mashpriborintorg they did it, also, lots have been sea dumped
20:05 Yrouel mashpriborintorg Hanford and Savanna River Site suddenly appear more cleanear...
20:07 mashpriborintorg and there are rumors about a similar site onto the pacific coast... they had a pacific fleet also
20:07 Yrouel (I'm guessing that the analogous sites on russia of the era when they also developed nuclear bombs are very very nasty)
20:16 Electricguy i see a tesla coil! :D http://www.justin.tv/thegeekgroup?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&amp;utm_source=thegeekgroup.org#/w/3104167952
20:17 Damianz I see a kidwell
20:18 Electricguy that too :P
20:18 Electricguy and a Gibroni
20:18 Electricguy a Dave
20:18 Electricguy a Trevor
20:18 Damianz Lots of dave.
20:18 Electricguy a very big Dave...
20:18 mashpriborintorg macro-dave
20:19 mashpriborintorg seems it's almost complete, not sure if they made the spark gap yet
20:22 Electricguy they don't need no stinkin' sparkgap!
20:22 Electricguy *cough*
20:22 Electricguy :P
20:22 killakee looking forward to see the result :=
20:22 killakee :)
20:22 mashpriborintorg there are freq gen for the tuning
20:23 killakee wow thats a big toroid
20:23 killakee :)
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20:23 Electricguy most likely needed to get it tuned
20:25 killakee ah
20:27 killakee tgg site down ?
20:27 Electricguy nope
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20:27 Ponko hi guys :)
20:27 Electricguy hi ponko :)
20:28 * Ponko nods at Electricguy
20:28 Experimentonomen g'evenin Ponko
20:28 Ponko evening
20:32 dbshortwave hi Ponko
20:32 Ponko hey :)
20:32 Ponko anything fun happening
20:32 dbshortwave for where i am at this very min yeah
20:34 dbshortwave making a mic pre amp
20:34 Ponko cool
20:35 dbshortwave i need a 10 k and a 56 k  resister
20:35 injektion I'm going to attempt to install a radio in the volvo without a wiring kit
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20:37 Ponko well i'm watching the Champions League Final and hope i get something to be happy about today
20:37 mashpriborintorg going to sleep, one more time, bye
20:37 Ponko night
20:38 killakee^away diablotime
20:39 dbshortwave poked myself with the probs, they hurt
20:39 Ponko good luck
20:40 Ponko ok brb
20:42 dbshortwave hmmm
20:45 BitViper dbshortwave : if it hurts, dont do it =P
20:46 dbshortwave lol
20:46 dbshortwave i seen that coming
20:46 BitViper then why did you poke yourself =P
20:46 * BitViper runs
20:47 dbshortwave lol
20:47 dbshortwave yeah you better run
20:48 * dbshortwave shakes fist
20:48 dbshortwave get off my lawn
20:48 BitViper lol
20:59 Electricguy for the ones that didn't see it earlier.. todays little Arduino stuff/tinkering :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOPGcW3a9hg
20:59 BotSteve Title: DHT11 Arduino Thermometer/hygrometer update.. AGAIN! =D - YouTube
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21:26 Experimentonomen *yawn*
21:27 Yrouel thye seem preparing to test the new tesla coil
21:27 Yrouel or meybe they already did
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21:28 Experimentonomen tesslakojjl
21:30 Yrouel someone can tell to turn off the radio on the backgroud of the live stream?
21:31 Yrouel it's really annoying :(
21:44 killakee^away argh
21:45 killakee^away livestream is realy f today :/
21:46 killakee^away well im of to lala land... night yall
21:49 Yrouel night
22:04 tonsofpcs Yrouel: how far in the background is it?
22:06 Yrouel tonsofpcs it seemed more like an interference than a radio purposely added to the stream
22:06 Yrouel it seems*
22:08 tonsofpcs Yrouel: yup, that's the AM a few blocks south.
22:08 tonsofpcs it bleeds in to the mackie mixer (and poor connections thereto) in MC.
22:08 Yrouel wow
22:08 Yrouel time to build some sort of filter shielding?
22:09 Electricguy lolololol! http://www.n0.se/f/f/ae70e_facebookwin.png
22:10 Yrouel hahaha
22:10 Yrouel nice one
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22:11 tonsofpcs am I supposed to recognize those people?
22:11 Electricguy__ it's Justin Bieber..
22:11 Electricguy__ the joke is that he's a girl
22:11 tonsofpcs Yrouel: nope, a rewire should be able to do it
22:12 Yrouel oh
22:12 tonsofpcs I get the joke, I just have no clue who those two are
22:12 Yrouel just like that?
22:12 Electricguy__ bedtime. night all
22:13 Yrouel tonsofpcs here in italy we have the vatican's radio
22:13 tonsofpcs g'nite
22:13 Yrouel in certain zones of rome
22:13 Yrouel you can hear it in well I don't know how they're called in english
22:13 tonsofpcs receive
22:13 Yrouel "the doorbells in wich you can talk"
22:13 tonsofpcs oh
22:14 tonsofpcs intercom systems
22:14 Yrouel anyway they're really nasty
22:14 Monkeh Door entry intercoms.
22:14 tonsofpcs crappy amps acting as diode detectors :)
22:15 tonsofpcs we have one desk at work that faces a window facing an FM station that has crappy computer speakers acting as slope detector and getting the FM loud and clear
22:15 Yrouel in other zones some journalists shoot some videos of people holdin in their hands some CFLs that would light up spontaneusly
22:15 tonsofpcs further proof that CFLs are the work of the devil :)
22:15 Yrouel haha I guess...
22:16 Monkeh Which is of course why we love them
22:16 tonsofpcs note: There were plenty of different electric light sources available before the incandescent bulb.  it got adopted on a large scale because it worked well, not because it was first.
22:16 tonsofpcs s/bulb/lamp/
22:17 tonsofpcs can someone explain why the CFL is being adopted on such a large scale?
22:17 Monkeh Because it's cheap and the politicians are behind it.
22:17 tonsofpcs it's only cheap if you ignore the disposal cost.
22:18 Monkeh Like anyone bothers with that disposal
22:18 tonsofpcs well, here they started requiring CFL manufacturers to offer to take dead ones back for proper disposal...
22:19 Monkeh hahaha
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22:19 Monkeh Speaking of CFLs
22:19 Monkeh Someone decided to comment on the latest blog saying to use them.
22:19 Monkeh In a storeroom. Which isn't always lit.
22:19 Monkeh Yeah. Lamps which take several minutes to warm up are a genius idea for that.
22:20 tonsofpcs and generate RF hash in an area where there's already a lot of RFI problems...
22:21 Monkeh For normalish size rooms, plain old incandescent for short term and HF fluorescent for long term lighting.
22:21 Monkeh Like we've been doing for 30 years. Still works just fine.
22:21 Yrouel the problem with those things is that aren't build to last
22:21 tonsofpcs no sulfur arc lamps? :)
22:21 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not for normal height rooms. :P
22:21 Yrouel from normal lightbulbs to future led lights they'll always faill after a short time
22:22 tonsofpcs we had mercury vapor lamps inside one of our drop ceilinngs until a few months ago...
22:22 Monkeh Which is insanity, thank you.
22:22 tonsofpcs Yrouel: what aren't built to last?
22:22 Yrouel tonsofpcs lights
22:22 tonsofpcs a tungsten lamp used for just a few minutes a day has a surprisingly long lifetime.
22:22 Monkeh Tell that to the fluroescent fittings which last 30 years and the tubes which last up to around ten if you're not picky.
22:23 tonsofpcs you can also buy lamps with thicker filaments and current limiting devices...
22:23 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 'rough service' lamps.
22:23 Monkeh They're nigh indestructible.
22:24 tonsofpcs especially when you put them inside a giant glass enclosure (like, larger than a stack of pith helmets) ;)
22:24 Yrouel uhm I wll search for some next time one blow up
22:24 tonsofpcs how do you think we get those red and/or white lights up on radio towers?
22:24 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I've seen some of those come with a plastic outer like some fluroescent tubes, so you can't even shatter them easily.
22:25 Yrouel how much cost the lamps with thicker filaments?
22:25 Monkeh .. not very much.
22:25 tonsofpcs with the cost to simply look at one of them and the restriction that they must be visible from all sides (all but preventing installing multiple and having them swappable), and the actual hazard to life caused by them failing, you best bet that we put some rugged lamps up there :)
22:26 Yrouel anyway before I was talking about the normal consumer light
22:26 Monkeh I always have been.
22:26 Yrouel I know that for critical operations devices are generally rugged
22:26 Yrouel well maybe we had a bad experience
22:27 Yrouel or it's the wiring in this house prone to burn lightbulbs and cfls
22:27 tonsofpcs they sell them as "long life" lamps here
22:27 tonsofpcs CFLs often have the ballast fail before the lamp itself
22:28 Yrouel yeah the point is that we replace them relatively often
22:28 Monkeh A good CFL goes on for a bastard long time.
22:28 Monkeh Stop buying cheap ones
22:28 tonsofpcs .c 16000 hours to months
22:28 BotSteve 21.9032741 months
22:28 Monkeh That all?
22:28 Yrouel Monkeh but if the problem is indeed in the electrical wiring I don't know what would survive that long
22:28 tonsofpcs http://www.lightsbyhh.com/product/a_shape/a_shape_incandescent
22:28 Monkeh Try..
22:28 BotSteve Title: Rough Service A Shape Incandescent Light Bulbs
22:29 Monkeh .c 6 years to hours
22:29 BotSteve 52 594.8766 hours
22:29 Monkeh Yeah, that's more like it.
22:29 tonsofpcs 16000 is the active-use MTTF, it seems
22:29 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I've had one 14W CFL last in excess of six years.
22:30 Monkeh I've actually broken more than I've had fail.
22:30 Yrouel tonsofpcs thanks but I have to find them for 220/230VAC
22:30 Monkeh (that's saying something, they're not exactly easy to shatter)
22:31 Monkeh Yrouel: Just use two bulbs.
22:31 * Monkeh waits for the confusion
22:31 Yrouel well not a bad idea
22:31 tonsofpcs Yrouel: and? I'm sure they're available.  This was just a google search result.
22:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Very easily for me, and a lot cheaper than that.
22:31 Yrouel Monkeh what confusion?
22:32 Yrouel 2 in series
22:32 tonsofpcs Monkeh: yea, I've never paid that much for a single household lamp A-style
22:32 Monkeh Yrouel: Most people get very confused when faced with simple electrical theory.
22:32 tonsofpcs Yrouel: now pay shipping FOB whereever they are... oh, and they're still glass bulbs with thin wires shaking around inside :-p
22:33 Yrouel I'll search some shop here
22:34 tonsofpcs i can pick them up at some grocery stores and all home improvement stores here...
22:34 Yrouel Monkeh I tough you was thinking to the confusion generated by having mixed lighbulbs in the house ie forgotting which one is 120
22:34 tonsofpcs they're usually not even the most expensive (the 'fake color' ones generally cost more)
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22:34 Yrouel and connecting them in the wrong place
22:36 Yrouel tonsofpcs whell thanks for the tip
22:36 Hackbat I just hurt my hand @_@
22:36 Yrouel we really need at least a couple of them
22:36 Yrouel for some key rooms
22:36 Hackbat Heres a lesson guys, if you think it might be a bad idea
22:36 Hackbat usually is
22:36 Yrouel Hackbat what happened?
22:37 Hackbat you know those guhe black paper clips
22:37 Hackbat *huge
22:37 Yrouel yep
22:38 Hackbat well I had one cliped on the table and pulled it off
22:38 Hackbat the little arms shot back wards and left a welt
22:38 Experimentonomen aight im goin to bed, nite peepz
22:38 Yrouel ouch
22:39 Chipguy nite
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22:51 * Yrouel 'night
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22:56 wannabe1987 ...
22:57 wannabe1987 aw no messages :(
22:57 injektion joined #thegeekgroup
22:57 wannabe1987 hi injektion
22:57 injektion Hi
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22:58 injektion I am taking a short break from installing a radio in the 24o
22:58 injektion 240*
22:58 wannabe1987 cool
22:58 injektion That Volvo is so easy to work on
22:58 wannabe1987 my ssiter is using my other sisters stethescope to hear my lungs....she goes "you're breathing!"
22:59 injektion In 3 minutes I had the factory amp removed
22:59 Monkeh wannabe1987: How very inconsiderate of you. Cease breathing immediately.
23:00 wannabe1987 no, Monkeh, i will not!
23:01 Monkeh wannabe1987: How rude.
23:01 Monkeh :P
23:01 wannabe1987 ik
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23:07 Monkeh Mmmmargh, I dislike buggy encoders in the extreme.
23:08 * wannabe1987 went to olive garden and is now very stuffed
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23:12 Seroster Someone please find me the incubation time of a bird's flea.
23:12 Seroster brb.
23:13 wannabe1987 .g incubation time of a birds flea
23:13 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://www.querycat.com/question/de352681c3904a90d8464c5d0a6bfbc7
23:13 wannabe1987 there you go Seroster
23:14 Chipguy hey wannabe1987 and night wannabe1987 and all
23:15 * Damianz puts his mask on and pokes Seroster with a stick
23:24 wannabe1987 ...
23:29 * Damianz offers wannabe1987 a poke of the stick
23:29 wannabe1987 no thanks, i'll use zozo's stick
23:30 Damianz Is zozo's stick pointy?
23:30 * Damianz sits with his knife and makes the point more pointy
23:30 wannabe1987 yes
23:31 wannabe1987 very pointy
23:32 wannabe1987 ok.  off to tgg and then off to astro's party....bye!
23:33 * Damianz waves bye
23:33 Damianz Take astro some cake, even if it is a lie
23:34 Seroster Damn birds.
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23:39 detrix How goes all you geeks?
23:40 detrix This geek just changed the brake pads on his vehicle...whew.
23:42 dbshortwave rofl
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23:44 detrix glad you found that amusing.
23:45 dbshortwave no i was laughing at what i was watching
23:46 dbshortwave Major Motoko Kusanagi " This is my son, but i dont alow him to call me mother in public."
23:46 Damianz detrix: Did you test them yet? If not, we love you.
23:47 detrix Damianz: yes I drove around the block and lived to tell the tale.  lol
23:49 Damianz Oh, in that case we don't love you :D
23:50 detrix any one here good with IPv6 setup in linux(ubuntu)?
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