Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-05-20

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00:03 Carvagon anything interesting goin on?\
00:04 Seroster I'm sore.
00:04 Seroster Dug about a cubic meter of bird nest out of a chimney, with lacking safety precautions.
00:04 dbshortwave well the body isnt suppose to do those positions
00:05 * dbshortwave snickers
00:07 Seroster http://www.tradera.com/komplett-fallskyddspaket-auktion_301805_155933146  20 bids and it doesn't end in another 36 hours...
00:07 BotSteve Title: Komplett fallskyddspaket på Tradera. Övrigt | Skyddsutrustning | Bygg &
00:08 Carvagon from top or bottom?  its much easier to just throw heavy stuff down on it from above lol
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00:11 Seroster Eh?
00:11 Seroster The bird nest was mostly fished up from the roof
00:12 wannabe1987 Damianz: he already has cake....
00:12 Seroster A 120cm grabber plus a meter of arm, reach quite a bit down there
00:14 Carvagon nice.  thats always a fun little chore
00:16 Seroster Thing is
00:16 Seroster A chimney sweep was called two weeks ago due to birds in the chimney
00:16 Seroster He removed a PERFECTLY GOOD net on the top, and didn't even notice the 30x30cm hole in the side of the chimney -.- (1ftx1ft)
00:17 Carvagon wow....makes u wonder what those kind of people are thinking
00:17 Seroster "O, The huge birds are probably getting in through the 1cm by 1cm grill on the top, not the big **** Hole in the side...
00:18 Seroster Yep
00:18 Seroster Even worse, there are at least a dozen loose bricks up there.
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00:19 Seroster If you are a chimney sweep, and you inspect and sweep a chimney... You should tell the house owner that the entire damn chimney is about to FALL DOWN -.-
00:20 Carvagon lol yeah.  that is kind of part of the job i would assume lol
00:20 Seroster Not to mention, the same sweep, who has been sweeping there the past 15ish years has broken the roofing bricks, which would be fine, but the idiot also killed the tar paper, when I went up there to put a net in (which he was paid to do) I noticed I could see wood.   After further inspection I noticed a rather large leak.
00:21 Seroster Pissed beyond words and I plan to visit him, drag him up on the roof, shove his fat head into the damn hole and burn some tractor tyres in the furnace. -.-
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00:22 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
00:22 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 0.18 hours ago at 2012-05-20 00:12:03 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 00:22:56 UTC
00:24 Carvagon lol sounds like a well layed out plan
00:26 Seroster Carvagon, So I need to get a fall protection harness, do some masonary work on the chimney, fix the holes in the roof and fix the other FOUR chimneys.
00:27 Carvagon thats just crap.  that wont be a fun project unfortunately
00:28 Seroster Did I mention the chimneys were rebuilt four years ago? -.-
00:29 Seroster Is there NO pride whatsoever in the sweeping business?  Or have they just realized that nobody checks their work, and if they don't put in the net they can collect a few hundred bucks one a year for removing the annual nest?
00:32 Carvagon pride in work has become very few and far between in professionals nowadays.  its more about volume and revenue
00:32 Carvagon which is unfortunate in my opinion
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00:34 Seroster Idiotic
00:42 Carvagon yup
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01:07 Seroster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZexMZF5thc&feature=relmfu Kinda intetresting
01:07 BotSteve Title: Modern Marvels S13E22 Saws - YouTube
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01:24 Carvagon i think modern marvels is a pretty good show
01:26 Seroster Good or awesome
01:27 Seroster Only thing I miss on TV, discovery and history channel
01:28 Thermoelectric That channel has a heap of interesting looking videos.
01:28 Seroster Indeed yes
01:29 Seroster Explosives, Tesla, High voltage, axes, glues, pirate tech...
01:29 Hackbat This HAS to be porn for moose. http://www.buzzfeed.com/theangryluddite/these-animal-statues-were-made-from-woodchips-5dn9
01:29 BotSteve Title: These Animal Statues Were Made From Woodchips
01:29 Seroster Cross out "for moose" and the statement is still true.
01:30 Sgt_Lemming not sure I agree with the "made from woodchips" bit though, some of it on the birds is quite clearly textured and/or cut to shape
01:31 Seroster .define chip
01:31 BotSteve chip — noun: 1. A small piece broken from a larger piece of solid material, 2. A damaged area of a surface where a small piece has been broken off — verb: 1. (trans.) To break into small pieces, 2. (trans.) To break small pieces from
01:31 Seroster If you are picky an entire branch could be called a chip
01:31 Sgt_Lemming woodchip generally implies the waste product of making something else
01:31 Sgt_Lemming those don't look like a waste product
01:33 Seroster Neither does chipboard =)
01:33 Seroster Btw, I remember chipboard to have pretty damn large pieces in them
01:33 Sgt_Lemming depends on the density
01:33 Sgt_Lemming but it's not the size of the pieces I am looking at, but the way the edges of them are shaped
01:34 Seroster Ah, yes, but if you have a huge chip, when does it sieze to be a chip? The second you manipulate it?
01:40 SparkyProjects1 There was a video (can't seem to find it) where you start with a piece of wood an slice with a knife, the chip curls and you leave it attached to the main block, then continue making more slices
01:40 Monkeh|Lap Chipboard has varying density and chip sizes, and definitely looks like a waste product.
01:41 Monkeh|Lap You want large chips, try OSB. ;)
01:42 Seroster http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/5/14/11/enhanced-buzz-20214-1337010288-2.jpg
01:43 Monkeh|Lap ..
01:43 Monkeh|Lap So
01:43 Monkeh|Lap The first thing I noticed was the keyboard.
01:49 Seroster http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/10/11/17/enhanced-buzz-11961-1318369379-4.jpg =D
01:49 * Thermoelectric waits for lawnmower next door to shut up and sister to turn her music down so he can actually hear the Modern Marvels episode
01:49 Seroster Anyway
01:49 Seroster cya
01:49 Seroster Thermoelectric, get some headphones
01:49 Sgt_Lemming Thermoelectric, this is what decent headphones are for
01:49 Thermoelectric Mmm, yes. I shall have to get me some of those one day.
01:50 Seroster They cost like $10 nowdays
01:50 Seroster Anyway
01:50 Seroster I gotta go
01:50 Sgt_Lemming decent over ear ones are the best for use in noisy environments
01:50 BatSteve awww
01:50 BatSteve ):
01:50 Hackbat oh god I just remembered
01:50 Hackbat I used to think the O in OSB stood for Oriental
01:51 Thermoelectric Sgt_Lemming, Where you think I could get those from? JB-Hifi?
01:51 Sgt_Lemming www.headphones.com.au
01:51 Sgt_Lemming cheaper than JB
01:51 Thermoelectric Ah, okay. Just have a $50 gift card for JB I gotta use..
01:51 Sgt_Lemming oh
01:52 Sgt_Lemming in that case yea, JB
01:52 Sgt_Lemming something like sennheiser HD215s
01:52 Monkeh|Lap Who, exactly, are JB?
01:52 Thermoelectric www.jbhifi.com.au
01:52 Carvagon love sennheisers
01:52 Sgt_Lemming local electronics retailer chain
01:53 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: I was looking more for a way to see what they keep. :P
01:53 Monkeh|Lap My god, that's a flashback to the 90s.
01:53 Sgt_Lemming yeah
01:53 Sgt_Lemming welcome to pretty much any big chains website in australia
01:53 Sgt_Lemming and they wonder why we all shop overseas?
01:53 Monkeh|Lap That's okay.
01:53 Monkeh|Lap It beats UK sites.
01:54 Monkeh|Lap So heavy on javascript and flash you can't actually USE them.
01:54 Thermoelectric Sennheiser HD 215: $149... Think I might wait for some specials to pop up...
01:55 Sgt_Lemming there are cheaper alternatives Thermoelectric
01:55 Monkeh|Lap http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/ipod-mp3-portables/headphones/sennheiser-hd-280-closed-dj-style-headphones/467737
01:55 BotSteve Title: Sennheiser HD 280 Closed DJ-Style Headphones | iPod, MP3 & Headphones, Headphones : JB HI-FI
01:55 Sgt_Lemming but that style is what you want
01:55 Monkeh|Lap Don't forget something which can drive 'em.
01:55 Monkeh|Lap 64 ohm is a bit much for onboard crap. ;)
01:56 Monkeh|Lap Who on earth would pay $150 for those ugly 215s when their real headphones are $50 more?
01:57 Carvagon thats what ive got.  they are so comfortable and even low volume blocks out the ambient sound around
01:57 Monkeh|Lap 380s myself.
01:57 BatSteve .g sennheiser s1
01:57 BotSteve BatSteve: http://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/8289
01:57 * BatSteve wore one of those today
01:57 * Thermoelectric is too much of a scrooge to want to spend that much..
01:57 BatSteve they were amazing
01:57 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh, I paid $9 for my 215's :-P
01:57 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Sennheiser make proper stuff :)
01:57 Monkeh|Lap Sgt_Lemming: Well, the price suits the appearance.
01:57 Carvagon and they last a loooong time
01:58 Monkeh|Lap Carvagon: My HD 515s lasted around three years with one replacement cable.
01:58 BatSteve yeah, next $1,000 USD I find laying on the street I get I'll definitely buy a pair
01:58 Monkeh|Lap They died due to my horrible habit of forgetting I'm wearing them.
01:58 Sgt_Lemming Carvagon, personally I would prefer a set of audio technica's
01:58 Monkeh|Lap I lost count of the number of times I walked off wearing the damn things.
01:58 Sgt_Lemming but I can't afford them atm
01:58 Monkeh|Lap Loved 'em.
01:58 Carvagon hahaha exactly what killed my last pair
01:59 Monkeh|Lap So now I've got HD 380s and a Xonar ST driving them.
01:59 Monkeh|Lap Lurvely.
01:59 Carvagon very nice
01:59 Monkeh|Lap Xense is a beautiful package, too, but no Linux drivers still.
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01:59 eadthem ya headsets shuld come with magnetic disconnects
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01:59 Monkeh|Lap Shame, because it's a steal with a headset like that in the bargain..
01:59 Carvagon i get excited over a good set of headphones or a good car stereo
02:00 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Active noise cancelling bluetooth headset. Ye gods, I want that.
02:02 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: astonishingly comfortable, and unlike the comparable Bose headset, the passive noise canceling is really good too.  If your batteries die on a Bose, you might as well not be wearing a headset at all
02:02 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Passive side is all about a proper fit.
02:03 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: I can believe them being comfortable, I STILL get up and walk off while wearing my headphones. You just forget they're there.
02:03 BatSteve ::nod::
02:05 Monkeh|Lap Those aren't quite up to my usual listening standards, though. ;)
02:05 Carvagon lol
02:06 lwq1996 hi bats. havent talked to you for some time
02:07 BatSteve howdy lwq1996
02:08 lwq1996 hows you busy life going?
02:11 Cheezmo oh good lord, I think I need to set up mIRC to split my chatlogs or something
02:11 Cheezmo tgg chatlog: 21.3 MB
02:11 Cheezmo :I
02:12 Monkeh|Lap ... Is that all?
02:12 Cheezmo as Notepad kersplodes
02:12 Monkeh|Lap That's tiny.
02:12 Cheezmo I have no idear when it started, but it wasn't since the beginning, lol
02:14 BatSteve busy
02:14 BatSteve Cheezmo: yeah, same, sometimes you'll see me quit and restart
02:14 BatSteve that's my cron job cycling the logs
02:14 Cheezmo ah
02:14 BatSteve also, don't use notepad
02:14 BatSteve use notepad++ or crimsonEditor
02:15 Cheezmo well, duh... Notepad's useless for big stuff :P
02:16 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: Pffft, I only cycle logs yearly. :P
02:16 Cheezmo hm, anybody wanna buy a 1973 Volvo? lol
02:17 * Monkeh|Lap passes Cheezmo a 5p coin
02:17 Monkeh|Lap Sold.
02:17 Monkeh|Lap :P
02:17 tonsofpcs Cheezmo: split by day imo.
02:17 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: That's, let's see.
02:17 Carvagon ill give u a shrunken quarter for it
02:17 tonsofpcs I see 20M since january, btw.
02:18 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: If I split all my IRC logs by day, that'll be over 30k files.
02:18 tonsofpcs and?
02:18 tonsofpcs makes it much easier to grep.
02:19 Monkeh|Lap I.. No, not really.
02:19 tonsofpcs (I have 33921 files since Jan 7)
02:19 Monkeh|Lap Now by month is feasible.
02:19 Monkeh|Lap But I find it's easier just to do it yearly.
02:19 Cheezmo lol, my Volvo ain't goin that low
02:20 tonsofpcs having 30k files isn't an issue unless you're using windows with FAT and inddexing or SMB sharing.  (don't ask me how I know)
02:20 Cheezmo $1,800 CAD/USD is my asking price
02:20 Cheezmo 12,600 sek for you, Monkeh ;)
02:20 * tonsofpcs hands Cheezmo a $2 bill
02:20 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Actually, it still is an issue (I'm not on a small-file optimised FS), especially to navigate.
02:21 tonsofpcs really? I just have mine in ~/irclogs/[network]/[channel]-yyyymmdd.log ...
02:21 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: So you've got one directory with many tens of thousands of files in it?
02:23 tonsofpcs Monkeh: freenode has just shy of 10k files since Jan 7 (last time I moved older logs to outside storage)
02:23 Monkeh|Lap In one directory.
02:23 tonsofpcs yup.
02:24 Monkeh|Lap Yep, that's what we like to call a bad idea.
02:24 tonsofpcs I have yet to have a problem with it...
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02:24 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Ask squid why they lay their cache out the way they do.
02:24 tonsofpcs I've been logging in this style (or one similar to it) since ... 1999 give or take a year.
02:26 tonsofpcs I don't need to optimize for quick retreival.
02:26 tonsofpcs I need to optimize for ease of human accessibility.
02:27 Monkeh|Lap And ten thousand files in one directory is your concept of easy?
02:27 tonsofpcs it's not like I ever look at a list of them...
02:27 Monkeh|Lap I could cope with one file per day with one directory per channel, that'd be much saner.
02:27 tonsofpcs the log of this channel from Feb 12 2012 is ~/irclogs/freenode/\#thegeekgroup-20120212.log
02:28 Monkeh|Lap Oh boy, and now you've got me annoyed with weird date stamps too
02:28 * Monkeh|Lap shudders
02:29 Carvagon hahaha
02:29 tonsofpcs weird date stamps?  you mean ones that cause sorting by ascii to end up in proper order?  aka ISO 8601 (well, ISO 8601 dropping the dashes)
02:30 Monkeh|Lap haha, ASCII.
02:30 tonsofpcs what don't you like about yyyymmdd?
02:30 Monkeh|Lap The fact that it's backwards.
02:31 tonsofpcs ISO 8601 is backwards?
02:31 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: no, it's not, because it sorts nicely
02:32 Monkeh|Lap When was the last time you said '2012 May 20'?
02:32 Carvagon the date format is backwards.  should be ddmmyyyy
02:32 Monkeh|Lap 20th May 2012.
02:32 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: I see it a lot more often  than dd/mm/yy ;)
02:32 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Doesn't mean it's right and not annoying.
02:33 tonsofpcs because if you add time to it, it becomes 20120520043305 ...
02:33 tonsofpcs and the next second was 20120520043306
02:33 BatSteve Monkeh|Lap: the other thing is that it's arranged in order of significance
02:33 lwq1996 http://techsmartly.net/freePS3.php
02:33 BotSteve Title: Techsmartly.net || You've just won a PS3!
02:33 lwq1996 its so true
02:33 Carvagon true its ordered like time keeping
02:33 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: it is right.  least significant first.
02:34 Monkeh|Lap It's like arguing with yanks who put the month first..
02:34 tonsofpcs you brits like most significant first for dates but least significant first for time.  it's maddening!
02:34 Carvagon lol
02:34 Monkeh|Lap I like what parses easily, and that's ddmmyyyy
02:34 Monkeh|Lap And we've nicely veered off the topic of the INSANITY which is tens of thousands of files in a single directory.
02:34 tonsofpcs ddmmyyyy hhmmss parses more easily than yyyymmdd hhmmss?
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02:35 tonsofpcs I'm pretty sure that ease of parsing is why ISO 8601 came into being...
02:35 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: It came into being to provide a standard. I am not required to agree with that standard.
02:35 Carvagon lol
02:35 tonsofpcs (also, I write my dates on paper as 2012-05-19.  There's no ambiguity, anyone looking at it knoows what it means, brit or american)
02:35 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: that's the great part about standards!  So many to choose from!
02:35 Monkeh|Lap Indeed, it's just backwards.
02:36 Toastdude Hi
02:36 Monkeh|Lap I prefer that to the sheer insanity of mmddyyyy
02:36 Monkeh|Lap I still don't like it.
02:36 * lwq1996 rick rolls toast
02:36 tonsofpcs well, if writing 05/06/2012, you have no clue what month or day I'm talking about.  If writing 2012/05/06, you know exactly.  Because no one is silly enough to write yyyyddmm.
02:37 tonsofpcs .rr lwq1996
02:37 Monkeh|Lap Oh, trust me, people are silly enough.
02:37 Monkeh|Lap And the only reason I don't know is because a certain country had to be different.
02:37 lwq1996 lol
02:37 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: I blame the french.
02:37 Monkeh|Lap Yes, the french can be blamed for much.
02:38 tonsofpcs they always transpose letters and numbers and things just to screw with everyone else.
02:38 tonsofpcs anyway, what's your issue with my 10000 file directory?
02:39 BatSteve .w knapsack problem
02:39 BotSteve "The knapsack problem or rucksack problem is a problem in combinatorial optimization: Given a set of items, each with a weight and a value, determine the number of each item to include in a collection so that the total weight is less than or equal to a given limit and [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem
02:39 Monkeh|Lap It's horribly inefficient and, without knowing the method of sorting and the precise contents of the directory, you cannot locate things.
02:39 Monkeh|Lap If you don't KNOW what a channel or user was called, you have to look for it among ten thousand files. That's.. useful.
02:39 tonsofpcs I know the method of sorting and I know the general contents of the directory...
02:40 tonsofpcs why wouldn't I know what a channel or user was called?
02:40 Monkeh|Lap Now if it's among a few tens of directories, it suddenly becomes INFINITELY easier
02:40 tonsofpcs oh, there are a few tens of directories.  One per network :)
02:40 Monkeh|Lap Yes, and then you need one per channel/user
02:40 tonsofpcs no, I don't, that makes it much harder to grep through a whole network if I'm trying to track a troll.
02:40 Monkeh|Lap It'll make your filesystem a lot happier, too.
02:41 Monkeh|Lap It does?
02:41 Monkeh|Lap It's one option.
02:41 Monkeh|Lap One argument.
02:41 tonsofpcs well, an additional few characters and/or an additional command
02:41 Monkeh|Lap grep -R term * vs grep term *
02:41 tonsofpcs but making a folder per user that PMs me is horribly inefficient
02:42 Monkeh|Lap Depends how often you talk to them.
02:42 Monkeh|Lap I'm sure certain clients can log even more selectively than that
02:42 tonsofpcs they can, but I like my client to log without my intervention.
02:42 Monkeh|Lap But those few tens of directories are far less problematic than tens of thousands of files.
02:42 tonsofpcs I fail to see how.
02:43 Monkeh|Lap Indeed, I set mine up once and never touch it again.
02:43 tonsofpcs also, that's much more than "tens" of directories
02:43 BatSteve I like vim!
02:43 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Once again back to filesystem efficiency and human parsability.
02:43 BotSteve I like emacs!
02:43 tonsofpcs just users per day on one network might hit tens.
02:44 Monkeh|Lap Good for you, you're popular
02:44 tonsofpcs no, I'mm in #mirc...
02:44 Carvagon i sense a dual or joust on the horizon
02:44 Monkeh|Lap Ok, s/popular/stupid/... :P
02:44 tonsofpcs joust was an awesome game, but blades of steel was better :-p
02:44 Monkeh|Lap Why anybody would choose to be in the likes of that channel..
02:45 tonsofpcs I blame khaled for ruining it.
02:45 tonsofpcs but anyway, I would have >90 folders for freenode channels alone with over 100 files in each...
02:45 Monkeh|Lap I don't even care about the client, sitting in a busy, obvious channel like that is just..
02:45 tonsofpcs I don't get random PMs from people in ##linux....
02:45 Monkeh|Lap Which is how many fewer directories or files per directory than TEN THOUSAND?
02:46 tonsofpcs it's thousands more directories overall... and no fewer files total.
02:46 lwq1996 Toastdude: http://techsmartly.net/f/1191
02:46 tonsofpcs and horribly inefficient for a human to poke around.
02:47 BotSteve Title: Techsmartly.net || Anim 1191
02:47 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: vs totally unreadable, yes..
02:47 tonsofpcs again, all in one directory is quite easy
02:47 Toastdude .....
02:47 tonsofpcs did lwq1996 finally find a rickrool?
02:47 tonsofpcs s/oo/ol/
02:47 Monkeh|Lap So you've got 400 files for most channels, and 20 for another. You can easily skip past the 20. Now, you've got 20 directories for the lot. Not so much of a problem!
02:47 lwq1996 yes
02:48 tonsofpcs I don't understand this 'skipping past'...
02:48 Carvagon im off to play blades of steel
02:48 Monkeh|Lap Ahh, so you just spend the time to check every line?
02:48 tonsofpcs Carvagon: but it's still not a sure thing that we have a blades of steel stanley cup this year, is it?
02:48 Carvagon have a good one
02:48 tonsofpcs I know it's possible, but is it a sure thing?
02:49 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: why would I be listing the files?
02:49 Monkeh|Lap ..
02:49 Monkeh|Lap Why would you be 'poking around'?
02:49 Carvagon not that i have heard
02:49 tonsofpcs if I want to find something that you said in #thegeekgroup last week, I can grep -i monkeh \#thegeekgroup-2012051?.log ...
02:50 tonsofpcs if I want to find something you said last week, I can grep -i monkeh \#*-2012051?.log
02:50 Monkeh|Lap And you can't do grep -i monkeh \#thegeekgroup\2012051?.log why?
02:50 Monkeh|Lap Or grep -iR monkeh \#*\2012051?.log
02:50 tonsofpcs Carvagon: well, have a good time playing :)
02:51 tonsofpcs why are you escaping the 2?
02:51 Monkeh|Lap Sorting into directories makes it precisely no harder to do what you're suggesting and vastly easier to actually look at an overall picture
02:51 Monkeh|Lap Pardon, wrong slash
02:51 Monkeh|Lap It's nearly 4am
02:51 tonsofpcs 03:51 :-pp
02:51 Monkeh|Lap So yes, nearly 4am.
02:51 tonsofpcs wait...
02:52 tonsofpcs oh, right, summer time.  nevermind
02:52 Monkeh|Lap Indeed, it's 0352BST, 0252UTC.
02:52 tonsofpcs and 0252Z
02:52 Monkeh|Lap Which is UTC.
02:52 tonsofpcs yes, but Z says screw you to the french acronym :-p
02:53 tonsofpcs (which doesn't even make sense in french)
02:53 Monkeh|Lap And UTC tells the crappy yank films where they can stick it.
02:56 tonsofpcs uh huh...
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03:57 sciencetor2 hi
03:58 sciencetor2 anyone here familiar with making audio modulated tesla coils?
03:59 sciencetor2 is there anyone active here at the moment?
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04:03 sciencetor2 hi Electronics
04:03 BatSteve I'm active
04:03 BatSteve but I'm not familiar
04:03 BatSteve sorry
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04:09 sciencetor2 im having trouble finding anyone, anywhere, who is. This makes actually attempting to build one of these coils very difficult
04:16 Sgt_Lemming I love in videos when people make out that having a patent on something validates their idea
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04:18 * wannabe1987 noms on the internet after being away most the day ZOMG INTERNET
04:24 lwq1996 sup
04:25 * lwq1996 pokes wannabe1987
04:25 Thermoelectric sciencetor2, you're better off asking on the forums. There may be a bit of knowledge on modulated Tesla coils in here, but probably not enough to be of great use.
04:25 wannabe1987 hi
04:26 Sgt_Lemming sciencetor2, there are PLENTY of plans on the net for them
04:26 Sgt_Lemming .g diy musical tesla coil
04:26 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/01/02/musical-solid-state-tesla-coil/
04:30 sciencetor2 i actually did post in the forums, but after no replies for about 2 days i figured i would ask here. also that link shows videos of them working, not how to build them.
04:32 sciencetor2 and there are plenty of plans for plain solid state and dual resonant solid state coils out there, but plans for the audio driver boards are rare
04:32 egrsteve yes, the audio drivers are rare
04:33 egrsteve what size coil are you looking to build?
04:33 egrsteve sciencetor2: ^
04:33 sciencetor2 very small, possibly based one steve wards sstc5 or DRSSTC .5
04:34 egrsteve have you seen the tgg musical sstc videos?
04:34 egrsteve that one is based off of wards mini sstc
04:35 sciencetor2 yes, while they offer some explanation as to the workings, there is again no building instruction
04:35 egrsteve by upping the drive transistors you can push a bit more out of it if needed
04:36 sciencetor2 i have also heard conflicting stories from various sources as to whether it is best to start with a SSTC or DRSSTC
04:36 egrsteve sstc
04:36 egrsteve much similar
04:36 egrsteve http://stevehv.4hv.org/SSTC5/miniSSTCfnlsch.JPG
04:36 sciencetor2 i have seen compelling arguments both ways
04:37 sciencetor2 yes, that is steve wards SSTC5
04:37 egrsteve the 555 timer in the bottom left is the inturupter, as built with variable resistors you can change the duty cycle on time allowing a single note to be played
04:38 egrsteve interesting but not very usefull
04:38 egrsteve what an audio modulator does is replaces that timer circuit with something that can be exteranlly controled
04:38 egrsteve such as an arduino
04:39 sciencetor2 well ,i understand that a song is played by controlling your bridge interrupter mosfets or igbts with a microcontroller
04:39 egrsteve hang on I'm getting there
04:40 egrsteve so by replacing that timer with the PWM output of an arduino you can now change the on and off time with it
04:41 egrsteve by setting up the timer to produce a 50% duty cycle 440 hz output you can play an an "A"
04:41 egrsteve by doubling that to 880 you can play an "A" one octive higher
04:41 sciencetor2 yes, but you effectively replace the 555 interrupter controller circuit with the controlled circuit, correct? and isnt that what keeps the coil resonant based on feedback?
04:42 egrsteve no, the feed back circuit is located in the middle left of the schematic
04:42 egrsteve it's the antenna, dioded and 2 inverters
04:42 egrsteve *diodes
04:44 egrsteve it's the interaction between the high frequancy feedback circuit and the Audio frequency interupter circuit that makes it work
04:44 egrsteve as long as you don't change the antenna feedback portion it should be fine
04:44 sciencetor2 is it possible to do it similarly with a DRSSTC? i only ask because they appear to make more impressive sparks.
04:45 sciencetor2 as displayed by steve wards DRSSTC .5
04:45 egrsteve yes, but it's tricky
04:45 sciencetor2 how so?
04:45 tonsofpcs tablet is running CWM backup, prepping ICS for install :D
04:45 egrsteve most drsstc can't exceed about a 10-15% duty cycle
04:45 egrsteve makeing audio modulation a bit trickier
04:46 sciencetor2 lol so my song would need a lot of eighth notes and rests
04:46 tonsofpcs ah, tesla modulations
04:46 egrsteve you could try to build one driving with an arduino again but limiting the on time of cycle to say 10%
04:46 tonsofpcs I have a great book about music and envelopes that helps to understand these things (it also has a frequency table)
04:47 sciencetor2 i was actually musically inclined before electonically
04:47 sciencetor2 so i have a pretty fair grasp of musical theory
04:48 tonsofpcs oh, well this isn't a music theory book per se :)
04:48 egrsteve audio modulation of a telsa coil really a clever use of intermod and the air acting as a low pass filter
04:48 sciencetor2 have you built one yourself before?
04:48 egrsteve a tesla coil will resonate at 10s of khz
04:49 egrsteve worked on  several, audio modulated a couple and working on plans for my own
04:49 tonsofpcs http://www.amazon.com/How-Program-Your-Commodore-Beginners/dp/0895863103 :)
04:49 BotSteve Title: Amazon.com: How to Program Your Commodore 64: BASIC for Beginners (9780895863102): Carl Shipman: Books
04:50 egrsteve so when you audio modulate it you are turning it on and of at say 440 hz while it is also resonating at say 100kHz
04:50 egrsteve to make math easy lets say you change the pitch to 1khz
04:51 sciencetor2 so, if I take the plans from steve's SSTC5 and build it, it would be as simple as replacing the existing interrupter with the arduino controlled interrupter?
04:51 sciencetor2 (and obviously coding the music, but i already know coding)
04:51 egrsteve yes, thats how the tgg one works in fact
04:52 egrsteve but the tgg one uses some very fancy software
04:52 egrsteve allowing is to play several notes at once
04:52 egrsteve which  have no idea how exactly kidwell did it
04:53 tonsofpcs several notes being 2 or >2 ?
04:53 egrsteve I know it can play Bachs tocca and fuge in Dm which reaches 10 notes at once
04:53 tonsofpcs 2 can be done with some simple mathematical trickery, more takes mroe mathematical trickery :)
04:54 eadthem you can alternate between notes very rapidly and your ears will hear 2 seperate notes
04:54 eadthem ive used that trick on a pc speaker
04:54 sciencetor2 it also seemed to have more extensive mods than just an interrupter mod, if you are speaking of the one in the far above link
04:54 egrsteve there is a number of ways to do it
04:55 egrsteve I have modulated human voice onto a telsa coil with resonable intelagability
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04:55 tonsofpcs eadthem: well, for two tones you can simply change between them for > and < crossing point...
04:55 eadthem iirc there was a computer game that was able to use only the pc speaker to generate speech
04:56 egrsteve I still need to finnish that system, it's basicly sorcery
04:56 tonsofpcs eadthem: well, if "BLADES OF STEEL" can come out of an NES...
04:56 egrsteve modern pc speaker can play basicly anything
04:57 sciencetor2 in the video from the link, with that keyboard option, they mentioned some sort of sorcerous "comparator" which predicted notes before they actually reach it?
04:57 sciencetor2 that confused me a bit...
04:57 egrsteve what video?
04:58 sciencetor2 http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/01/02/musical-solid-state-tesla-coil/ top one here
04:58 BotSteve Title: Musical Tesla Coil Collection - Hacked Gadgets – DIY Tech Blog
04:58 tonsofpcs I suppose you could modulate a waveform that is generated by a DAC... keep that waveform high enough to simply intermod into the audible range and you can generate cleaner audio, i'd think...
04:59 eadthem ya well NES had duty cycle chanels  trangle channel  white noise channels  diffrental PCM  and  PCM channels
04:59 sciencetor2 and do i really need pll?
04:59 eadthem pc speaker has only 1 channel
05:00 eadthem and it only dose square wave
05:00 egrsteve ok, in that video which is epicly old
05:00 egrsteve they are basicly looking for zero crossings in the audio and converting it to a square wave
05:01 Sgt_Lemming sigh, appears stupid bitch housemate is raping the internet again
05:01 egrsteve which then drives the interupter
05:01 tonsofpcs eadthem: well... psuedo-square wave.  it generates 'square' pulses but termination failures and a piezzo buzzer tend to make it ... well, not.
05:01 eadthem true
05:01 sciencetor2 yes
05:01 eadthem it dose not have a audio amp  its just raw output
05:01 egrsteve as for the pll it was found not needed in wards design
05:02 eadthem well it has a audio amp as much as a 555 timer is a audio amp :p
05:02 sciencetor2 also, know anything abount controlling the driver via fiber optic? i would personally rather not cook my nice laptop
05:03 eadthem couple possabiltys
05:03 egrsteve yes, find a ttl output fiber reciever
05:03 eadthem even a bjt or diode one will work
05:03 eadthem just takes a bit of bonus circutry
05:04 egrsteve http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/IF-D95T/FB123-ND/243780
05:04 BotSteve Title: IF-D95T Industrial Fiberoptics | FB123-ND | DigiKey
05:04 sciencetor2 well, i need a reciever and a transmitter, any suggestions on getting or making?
05:04 egrsteve that will plug and play with the ward design
05:04 eadthem mmm had 1 of those in collage
05:04 egrsteve as for transmitter
05:05 egrsteve http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/IF-E97/FB129-ND/272338
05:05 BotSteve Title: IF-E97 Industrial Fiberoptics | FB129-ND | DigiKey
05:05 egrsteve this should work
05:05 eadthem on those  alot of pepole say to strip back some of the sheath   but we found it was much better to just have a very clean flush cut   fiber and sheath and stuff the whole thing in
05:05 eadthem sense the diodes are in dead center
05:05 egrsteve you can use any piece of plastic fiber cut sqaurly with a razer blade
05:05 egrsteve of std size
05:05 eadthem thats what we did
05:06 eadthem dont know if it was standard however
05:06 eadthem or least it wasnt networking grade
05:06 egrsteve don't strip the sheath, it messes up how it works
05:06 eadthem yep
05:06 egrsteve that is a red visable transmitter so it should work with most low cost plastic fiber
05:07 egrsteve you drive it like an led (because it is one) with a series resistor to limit current
05:08 egrsteve that pair can be placed between the arduino or other microprocessor and the sstc
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05:09 sciencetor2 and as i know nothing about fiber optics this is an uneducated question, but can it pulse at the speeds i would be pulsing the coil at, and then jus have the arduino in the sstc interpret that to the mosfets?
05:09 eadthem annoyingly it dosent state what diamiter fiber it sues
05:09 eadthem uses
05:10 nazca I finally have solid proof of the awesomeness of Phil Collins!
05:10 tonsofpcs why not just use it for the serial PC > arduino?
05:10 nazca http://youtu.be/fnqfWaKB5JE
05:10 BotSteve Title: Phil Collins & The SB - In The Air Tonight (From Live At Knebworth) VIDEO ID.mp4 - YouTube
05:10 egrsteve you want to pulse the fiber at the audio frequency, the driver circuit essentially ands it with the high frequency at the coil
05:10 egrsteve the fiber is rated I think over 100kHz
05:10 tonsofpcs also, at low speeds over a short distance fiber-size shouldn't matter too much... depending.
05:10 tonsofpcs *grabs a llink to a fiber primer*
05:10 sciencetor2 so the transmitter and reciever are capable of pulsing andinterpreting at the speeds i need?
05:10 eadthem o 1000um
05:11 egrsteve under 50ft I doubt it would matter
05:11 tonsofpcs http://www.lynx-technik.com/index.php?id=331 < the first one.
05:11 BotSteve Title: LYNX Technik AG: Application Notes
05:11 egrsteve yes they will both work just fine at audio frequencies (and much higher)
05:12 tonsofpcs the waveform essentially looks like overterminated copper if your fiber is crappy and/or the wrong diameter
05:12 eadthem http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/810004/FB140-1-ND/356536
05:12 BotSteve Title: 810004 Industrial Fiberoptics | FB140-1-ND | DigiKey
05:12 eadthem seams to be the cheepist
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05:12 tonsofpcs which, again, short distance/lower freq.  doesn't really matter
05:13 eadthem sold by the meter
05:13 egrsteve so not too bad of price also the same company that makes the transmitter/ reciever
05:13 tonsofpcs why not just use a TOSlink 'cable' ?
05:13 sciencetor2 sounds excellent, so just load up a shielded microcontroller with an independent power source with instructions that say basically "when fiber=on, mosfet=on"?
05:14 egrsteve you could cut a toslink cable too
05:14 egrsteve basicly
05:14 tonsofpcs well, you could even get toslink 'transmitter' and 'receiver' and use them too...
05:14 sciencetor2 how much are they?
05:14 tonsofpcs I mean, it's just an LED and a light-controlled transistor...
05:15 egrsteve it might end up interted but at audio frequancy a phase flip won't matter unless you are using other speakers with it
05:15 eadthem recever needs -30dBm   xmitter sends -6dBm minimum with 20mA If
05:15 egrsteve toslink connectors are about $30+
05:15 egrsteve I have looked at them, in small quantity it's not worth it
05:15 eadthem that cable drops .2dBm a meter
05:16 tonsofpcs i've read of people using a ballpoint pen 'barrel' for a female toslink 'connector'
05:16 tonsofpcs cut it the right length and epoxy the transmitter/receiver in one side, plug gets shoved in the other til it makes contact
05:16 sciencetor2 how much whould the tosling cable, transmitter, and receiver cost?
05:16 egrsteve might work, either way these don't cost too much and it's easy to work with and repair
05:17 tonsofpcs (i think it was a ballpoint)
05:17 eadthem sorry .2 dB
05:17 egrsteve toslink transmitters/ recievers are far more expensive in single qtys
05:18 tonsofpcs right, but you can probably  just use a red LED and a red 'detector'
05:18 eadthem so 3.2dB  or 1/2 the brightnes lossed in that cable over 50 foot      it will work wonderfuly
05:18 eadthem iye   red LED and red LED for emitter and detecter is accualy rather fast
05:18 tonsofpcs I mean, you don't need any response above 25k...
05:19 egrsteve you could use a genric led/photo transitor but then you have to deal with makeing it light tight so it doesn't behave unexpectantly and keeping good contact on the fiber ect
05:19 nazca perhaps a dumb thought .... pick up a cheap laser pointer and hack the diode for the transmitter?
05:19 sciencetor2 egrsteve: thanks for all your help, just one more thing, is there a comprehensive parts list for steve's SSTC5? i would hate to mistread or overlook something while attempting to order parts
05:19 tonsofpcs cheap TOSlink cablees can be had for $1 or so.
05:20 tonsofpcs egrsteve: right, that's the point of the pen barrel or whatever.  LED is epoxied inside such that when you force the toslink connector in it light-seals and is making physical contact with the tip.
05:20 tonsofpcs and yes, photo transistor is the word i'm looking for :)
05:20 egrsteve thats true, most are made with 2.2 mm fiber which means if cut they would probably work with the R/X pair
05:20 eadthem may i point out  that 50 foot of this cable is only 29$  and 13$ for both xmitter and recever
05:20 eadthem and it will just work
05:21 eadthem and not be hacked together
05:21 sciencetor2 any parts lists?
05:21 egrsteve check the ward page
05:21 tonsofpcs eadthem: and connectors applied?
05:21 eadthem scroll back   egrsteve linked the xmitter and recever
05:21 egrsteve I dont' have one
05:21 eadthem i linked cable
05:21 eadthem tonsofpcs  there bare cable couplers
05:22 egrsteve it's bassicly the ward parts + the 3 linked here+ your favorite microcontroller
05:22 eadthem you push it in and just tighten the the outside   its a simple compression fitting
05:22 tonsofpcs I mean, I personally have a bin of LEDs, I could pick up a phototransistor at ratshack, and I have a TOSlink cable or two laying around...
05:22 tonsofpcs eadthem: interesting.
05:22 tonsofpcs seems like a hack-together ;)
05:22 eadthem http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/IF-E97/FB129-ND/272338 http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/IF-D95T/FB123-ND/243780
05:22 BotSteve Title: IF-D95T Industrial Fiberoptics | FB123-ND | DigiKey
05:22 eadthem http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/810004/FB140-1-ND/356536
05:22 BotSteve Title: 810004 Industrial Fiberoptics | FB140-1-ND | DigiKey
05:22 egrsteve a hack that works very well
05:22 eadthem not a hack at all   works extreamly well
05:23 eadthem i er   with a bit of overclocking  got 8000 baud thrue a cable   via 2 uarts on  2 diffrent breadboads
05:24 eadthem the diffrence was me and my teammate didnt strip the 1/16 inch off the cable the proffesor specifyed,  it just didnt make sense.
05:24 eadthem everyone else got about 5000 baud
05:24 egrsteve you might add a switch that selects between the 555 timer and the fiber reciever so it can work stand alone too
05:26 egrsteve ok, I need sleep sciencetor2 I hope we have answered your questions
05:26 tonsofpcs good idea.  g'nite all :)
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05:29 sciencetor2 yes, im sleeping too, and this link helps immensely with coil build http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-solid-state-tesla-coil/
05:29 BotSteve Title: Building a solid state tesla coil
05:29 sciencetor2 and thank you again
05:29 eadthem http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/SP000063814/516-2213-ND/2220929 http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/SP000063855/516-2455-ND/2220927
05:29 BotSteve Title: SP000063855 Avago Technologies US Inc. | 516-2455-ND | DigiKey
05:30 eadthem if you are concerned at all about speed
05:30 eadthem that was the 1 we used   and is rated to 5Mbd
05:31 eadthem they breadboard easyer  because they mount using thruehole pins that fit a breadboard
05:33 Sgt_Lemming sifn't just use a laser :-P
05:33 Sgt_Lemming that would be quite awesome actually
05:33 eadthem will probably cost just as much
05:33 Sgt_Lemming yeah
05:33 eadthem but ya it is kinda awesome
05:33 eadthem just use a red LED as the recever
05:49 lwq1996 hey astro73
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06:16 Electricguy morning
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07:00 einball g'morning!!!!!! :) :) :)
07:00 Sgt_Lemming 17:0:22
07:18 * Electricguy warms up his class A amp
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07:19 Electricguy it got a LOT more gain now with the MOSFET input stage
07:20 * einball warms up his stereo .. and starts the LaTeX editor
07:23 * Cheezmo finally upgrades from Visual Studio.NET 2003
07:23 * Sgt_Lemming uninstalls qbasic
07:23 Cheezmo apparently it was running on framework 1.1 and shit hits the fan if you try new stuff |P
07:24 Cheezmo build errors out the wazoo
07:35 Electricguy seems impossible to find pinouts for Sun ultra enterprise 450 server PSUs..
07:35 Electricguy nice PSU..
07:36 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsa6kq-qqIE&amp;feature=related <--- pretty cool video
07:36 BotSteve Title: Overhead Cam at 14K RPM - YouTube
07:36 Electricguy 3.3V 47A  5V 65A  12V 20A
07:36 Sgt_Lemming Electricguy, that is not surprising, most of that sort of stuff is proprietary
07:36 Sgt_Lemming and often only used in a couple of models
07:36 Electricguy myeah
07:36 Electricguy it's a Artesyn PSU at least
07:37 Electricguy a damn bitch to hook up..
07:37 Electricguy as it's a hot swap PSU it want a bunch of signals and crap to even start
07:37 Electricguy and it doesn't work to just bridge the relay inside
07:37 Sgt_Lemming yup
07:37 Electricguy got a lot os fun stuff inside though
07:38 Sgt_Lemming good luck with that one
07:38 Electricguy big ass MOSFETs, IGBTs, LOTS of Rubycon caps, big ass inductors and other high power components
07:41 Electricguy stupid FaceBook! Y U NO SCROOL CORRECTLY?!?!?
07:41 Electricguy SCROLL*
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07:43 Electricguy o'hoy Chipguy  :)
07:46 Cheezmo I worked with some real fun IGBTs
07:47 Electricguy oki
07:47 Sgt_Lemming I have some nice big ones
07:47 Cheezmo had some that completely detonated, but then some that just popped a little
07:47 Sgt_Lemming 1200v 550A continuous :-D
07:47 Cheezmo I think I've got one of the kinda-popped one
07:47 Chipguy morning all
07:47 Sgt_Lemming 2500A peak pulse
07:47 Chipguy and morning eg
07:47 Cheezmo we were running 10,000 KVA UPSs
07:48 Cheezmo nomnomnom
07:48 Sgt_Lemming these are from a solid state x-ray driver :-D
07:48 Cheezmo got me beat :I
07:48 Cheezmo lol
07:48 Sgt_Lemming runs them into the biggest fucking flyback you have ever seen
07:48 Cheezmo nice
07:49 Cheezmo whell, I gotta get some sleep
07:49 Cheezmo gettin up in 7hr to go to a car show
07:49 Sgt_Lemming the main coil of the fly back was about 12" x 6" with 2" diameter of wire wrapped onto it
07:49 Cheezmo taking my 1973 to try and sell
07:49 Sgt_Lemming the secondaries were about 4" diameter
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07:51 Experimentonomen g'mornin peepz
07:52 Sgt_Lemming it's not morning! :-P
07:52 Experimentonomen its mornin for me :P
07:54 Electricguy honk exp! :)
07:55 Electricguy btw, the class A sounds very different with a MOSFET input stage
07:55 Electricguy got a harder bass response
07:58 Experimentonomen hm
07:58 Electricguy maybe a double BD139 darlington stage wasn't ideal... :P
07:58 Electricguy cause it sounded a little fuzzy
07:59 Experimentonomen when using a trible deep darlington stage, the first stage can be a little BC547, second stage BD139 and the last stage the actual power transistor
08:00 Electricguy yeah
08:00 Experimentonomen and now with the mosfet you can prolly remove the remaining BD139 too and wire the mosfet in its place
08:00 Electricguy now it's a single MOSFET darlignton stage and a bipolar power transistor :P
08:00 Electricguy basically a reverse IGBT.. XD
08:01 Experimentonomen insulated gate bipolar transistor
08:02 nazca don't suppose anyone knows what firmware version is running on Chris's M4 SSD?
08:03 Electricguy send him an email and ask :)
08:03 nazca will do if no one knows :p
08:03 Experimentonomen http://www.eetimes.com/General/PrintView/4014214 <-- igbts are a bit odd, push them too had and u create a parasitic SCR
08:03 nazca dunno if he saw/remembered my comment from when he got the thing
08:04 nazca they've got a really nasty f/w bug on the first runs and we've only started seeing them ship with the new firmware in the past few weeks
08:04 Electricguy it would be fun to use a SSR as an amplifier.. :P
08:04 Electricguy gonna be tricky though
08:05 Electricguy would need like a squarewave carrier to not lock up
08:05 nazca the kingston probably has a couple of nasty firmware stupids in too
08:05 Experimentonomen would have to be a really low freq class d
08:05 Electricguy yeah
08:05 Experimentonomen and it'd have to be the kinda SSR that are made for DC
08:06 Electricguy maaaybe good for like a low freq sub amp
08:06 Experimentonomen most SSR's used for like switching mains uses a triac wheres the ones for DC is basically a mosfet with a insulation barrier on the gate
08:07 Electricguy ahh i see
08:08 Electricguy those Ericsson EriPower DC/DC converters are really nice!
08:08 Electricguy dead silent!
08:09 Experimentonomen i believe they switch at around 1MHz
08:09 Electricguy myeah something like that
08:09 nazca also a funny thing ... drop the drives on the floor these days is actually not so much anymore
08:10 Electricguy lol :P
08:10 nazca a powered off drive is rated for impacts over 30G
08:10 Electricguy it's like dropping a USB stick on the floor :P
08:11 nazca spinning they're not rated quite so high, but turned off they've got some serious warrenty on them
08:11 nazca except for temp ... sodding 55C max rated temp *grumble*
08:12 Electricguy lol
08:12 Electricguy well.. who the fuck straps the SSD to the CPU cooler?! XD
08:13 nazca no, I'm  talking mechanical drives
08:13 Electricguy ahh!
08:13 nazca 2.5" velocaraptors specifically
08:13 Electricguy well.. same thing there.. why strap it to something that hot?! XD
08:14 nazca you've never handled a raptor that's been running a while :p
08:14 nazca they get that hot just by being turned on
08:14 Electricguy thats why the use to be mounted in 3.5" cast alu cooling blocks.. :P
08:15 nazca yeah, you should use the icepacks ... in practice not so much lol
08:15 Electricguy lol :P
08:15 nazca they do sell them without the icepaks, but they're way more expensive
08:15 Electricguy ahh oki
08:15 nazca also... "anything stored in ram is gone the moment you remove power" is complicated ... some really interesting research has been done on recovering data from ram after the power has been removed
08:16 Electricguy haha.. you know adjustments are touchy when you have to mount a 10:1 gear reduction on the bias pot on an amp.. :P
08:16 Electricguy and it's STILL touchy!
08:17 nazca I forget the details but they recovered data after an impressive time
08:17 Electricguy yeah you can recover pretty much everything..
08:17 Electricguy it's just a matter of how hard you try
08:18 nazca *thinks* ps/2 is safe enough to plug/unplug but windows won't sense it if you don't have it plugged in when you boot... there's not enough juice in the lead for it to care
08:19 nazca drives /used/ to be very picky about orientation, but not so much anymore
08:19 Electricguy yeah thats funny :P
08:20 nazca the bearings are different these days... the spindle coils are part of the lower chassis, the out runner part, if memory serves, no longer has bearings
08:21 nazca it's a really weird low friction press fit
08:21 Electricguy yeah
08:21 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRjjn-DIWA&amp;feature=plcp <-- crazy aussies!!!
08:21 BotSteve Title: Miele Flamespin 3000 Perfect Full Speed Run 3.0 - YouTube
08:21 Electricguy LOL yeh thats funny :P
08:21 Sgt_Lemming is this on brushless fans nazca?
08:22 nazca Sgt_Lemming, hdd spindle motors
08:22 Sgt_Lemming ah, basically the same thing
08:22 Sgt_Lemming just more coils
08:22 Sgt_Lemming yeah, all the bearings are around the centre shaft, the magnet ring is just supported on the centre shaft
08:23 Sgt_Lemming same way a lot of brushless motors work
08:26 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Cx1eTP_8w <-- a big version of such motor
08:26 BotSteve Title: Printer main motor revving - YouTube
08:33 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXI5d0Aws0Y <--- MUCH bigger motor
08:33 BotSteve Title: Brushless motor BLDC 20 kW for electric plane, Test1 - YouTube
08:34 Electricguy yepp :P
08:34 Electricguy i think the wires look a bit flimsy for 20.000Watts..
08:36 Experimentonomen depends on the voltage
08:36 Electricguy also, a plus for swollen LiPo's.. :D
08:37 Experimentonomen LiPoP
08:38 Sgt_Lemming iirc he is running a resonably high voltage on the motor in final usage
08:38 Electricguy i really hope so :P
08:38 Sgt_Lemming 72 volts
08:39 Sgt_Lemming .calc 20000 / 72
08:39 BotSteve 277.777778
08:39 Sgt_Lemming those cables will easily handle 300A
08:39 Electricguy yeah
08:40 Sgt_Lemming if he's at 100% throttle there, he is only getting about 30RPM/v
08:40 Sgt_Lemming so 72 volts should be about 2100 rpm
08:41 Electricguy yeah
08:41 Electricguy and insanely strong :P
08:41 Sgt_Lemming lots of torques
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08:46 Electricguy neat idea! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;NR=1&amp;v=Yj0Bv4UEFSs
08:46 BotSteve Title: Making nice-looking front panels with no setup cost - YouTube
09:15 Electricguy LOL http://www.damnlol.com/i/675d5f49e158b16bcd81342a20bfcd11.jpg
09:44 Chipguy electricguy i just watching all his important videos
09:44 Chipguy not had the frontpanel video yet
09:45 Chipguy ok gotta go now
09:45 Chipguy cu later guys
09:45 Experimentonomen *yawn*
09:45 Chipguy nite exp :P
09:45 Experimentonomen g'day chippeh
09:49 Experimentonomen boring weather :/
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11:05 Sgt_Lemming http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Scaled_Composites_Proteus_in_flight_1.jpg
11:06 Experimentonomen UAV ?
11:07 Experimentonomen looks like one
11:07 Sgt_Lemming "optionally piloted"
11:07 Sgt_Lemming can be manned or unmanned
11:07 Sgt_Lemming 14 hour flight time without refuelling
11:31 Experimentonomen *yawn*
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12:38 Carvagon howdy
12:43 Experimentonomen g'day
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12:50 Hydroelectric Back from weekend camping an forgot to start up my laptop. #Sigh.
12:51 Electricguy #you #can't #instagram #without #tags :P
12:52 Experimentonomen hm
12:52 Hydroelectric Eww, Instagram.
12:53 Electricguy :P
12:54 Hydroelectric Hehe./
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13:02 Carvagon i wanna do somethin cool with a subwoofer i have layin around.  any ideas?
13:04 Experimentonomen build a subwoofer with it ;p
13:04 Carvagon lol i did that already
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13:04 Electricguy yeeah that pretty much what you can do with it :P
13:04 Experimentonomen i use my subwoofer as a crafting bench ;p
13:05 Carvagon well this one came out of my car so i have no box for it
13:05 Carvagon looks like its gonna be a donation
13:06 Experimentonomen its prolly a piece of shit sub ;p
13:06 Carvagon lol no.....not at all lol 15" alpine r-type
13:07 Carvagon http://ucables.com/img/pics1/original/ALPINE-TYPE-R-SWR-104-R49593.jpg
13:07 Experimentonomen well but it in a box and hook it up to an amp and rock out till the cops come after the neighbours have called in complaints :P
13:08 Carvagon lol doen that.  thats why its not in use anymore lol
13:09 Carvagon i had 4 amps hooked up to it lol
13:09 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/MZkNs.jpg <-- my sub can be seen there, i rarely ever use it though
13:10 * einball is teh rulorz
13:10 Experimentonomen last time i used it i had it hooked to a 200 watt amp for watching Tron Legacy
13:10 Carvagon lol i bet that rocked
13:10 einball oooh yes, thats fcking fun right Experimentonomen ? :D
13:11 Experimentonomen the amp was almost constantly clipping :P
13:11 Experimentonomen 200 watts just wasent enuf, or the sub wasent loud enuf
13:11 einball yupyup :D
13:11 einball Experimentonomen: +100
13:11 Experimentonomen or the placement sucked
13:11 einball and that shit just didnt feel real enought :P
13:13 Carvagon when i had it hooked up in the car i had 6 amps (one was 6.1 dolby digital), 19 speakers, three monitors, 2000 amp battery.  i tried it inside and it wasnt the same lol
13:14 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iih5vO7gZR0
13:14 BotSteve Title: High power amplifier - YouTube
13:15 Experimentonomen thats the most recent sub run, actually all three of those boxes in parallelö
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13:53 detrix anyone here know if the milling machine at the lab is capable of turning down a brake rotor?
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13:59 mashpriborintorg hiya
14:04 tonsofpcs capable of? probably.
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14:16 BitViper detrix : *cough* might have to be careful it doesnt eat all of it :)
14:18 detrix BitViper, that is why I just looked up new ones. lol. the ones on my vehicle are rather rusted! Yep, not to sure its a good idea to turn them down.
14:19 eadthem when i put new rotors on my tarus i found that new ones cost alot less than turning them down
14:19 eadthem like 20-30$ each
14:19 * Experimentonomen is exploring the map of the mindcrack server
14:19 eadthem + a turned rotor wont last as long
14:19 BitViper detrix : rust is nothing, i remember a clutch i had to replace once ... it was long past the rivit heads ;)
14:19 eadthem the fins will still be clogged with rust   causing heat build up and warpage
14:20 detrix yep, there is a $30 one and a $50.  though I can't tell if the $30 one is the right type.
14:20 eadthem just go to advanced auto parts they will beable to tell ya realy fast witch ones are right
14:20 eadthem im all for trying to fix before replace but rotors is 1 thing that just make sense to replace
14:21 eadthem how much rust?  surface rust or like huge chips?
14:22 detrix I figured that with a milling machine at the lab, I thought I could do it myself, but... new would be better.
14:24 detrix the brake surface, I can feel that it is very uneven. I replaced the pad yesterday.
14:24 eadthem not rusty just uneven?
14:25 detrix there are tracks/rings of ware.
14:25 eadthem was it metal on metal?
14:26 detrix Not that I am aware of. but....
14:27 eadthem prob just going to have to mesure it
14:27 eadthem might ask moose   the rotors might not even fit in the lathe
14:28 detrix That's the reason for my original question. is the mill capable of turning a rotor. I think there is a way, but I will probably end up buying new ones.
14:28 eadthem i dont think using the mill would be good
14:29 eadthem im not a machining expert  but what would be a easy job of getting things smooth in the lathe
14:29 eadthem would be alot more challangeing in the mill
14:29 tonsofpcs you might be able to use the mill to hold it while you use sandpaper or similar...
14:29 tonsofpcs (depending on sizes/clearances)
14:30 eadthem wonder if the jaws would fit on the spindle?
14:30 eadthem i dont think there the same type of coupler
14:32 tonsofpcs well, then you mill an interface ;)
14:34 detrix ok, right. I was thinking that the mill has the lathe, but if there is a lathe only machine, then that is what would use.
14:38 detrix eadthem, tonsofpcs, thanks for your help.
14:51 tonsofpcs i need an animation of tgg logo 'building' followed by it turning left/right (with images that can seamlessly loop so it 'bounces') for my tablet
14:52 tonsofpcs 's boot animation :)
14:56 eadthem so do we have a minecraft server anymore?
14:57 eadthem i know mistian is down
14:57 tonsofpcs .mc
14:57 tonsofpcs .minecraft
14:58 BotSteve tonsofpcs: GuardianZozo's minecraft server: gamerxreviews.net:25565. Server Status: DOWN
14:58 BotSteve tonsofpcs: Cprossu's minecraft server: 72.222.196.252:25565. Server Status: UP
14:58 BotSteve tonsofpcs: PacketHumper's minecraft server: minecraft.nerderosity.com:25565. Server Status: DOWN
14:58 BotSteve tonsofpcs: BitViper's minecraft server: minecraft.bitviper.org:25565. Server Status: UP
14:58 eadthem witch oens the biggist theses days
14:58 eadthem or replaced mystian
14:58 tonsofpcs probably Cprossu
14:58 Experimentonomen i'd say Cprossu's server
14:58 tonsofpcs idk, I don't play that silly 'game'
14:58 Experimentonomen me, andyroo, Electricguy and celticdragon
15:03 BitViper my minecraft server is up, but is badly outdated
15:03 BitViper I need a better box to put it on
15:07 eadthem whers the best place to get minecraft enchanced texture pack
15:07 BitViper eadthem : online *runs for cover*
15:08 * eadthem sets off the TNT that is right under the spot to witch BitViper ran to
15:08 BitViper wheeeeeeee
15:08 BitViper eadthem i think planetminecraft is [one of] the place[s] ive got mine
15:12 Experimentonomen up like the sun and down like a pancake :P
15:13 Cheezmo I really need to verify torrents before I DL them... 2.3GB of waster bandwidth for a 99.8% iso n.n
15:14 Experimentonomen hm
15:14 BitViper been there, done that
15:14 Cheezmo the torent may have been salvageable, but the serial was missing :S
15:14 BitViper tho it was a legit iso but something died at 99.9 and i havent found the torrent anywhere else since ;(
15:14 Cheezmo I know that feel bro
15:15 Cheezmo http://i.imgur.com/zfTOW.jpg
15:16 BitViper heh, i have a thumbnail gif animation loop of a character facedesking
15:16 Cheezmo ah, the one where his face disintegrates?
15:17 BitViper no i hate that one, this is made to look like a caution sign, much simpler almost line-drawing style character and animation
15:17 BitViper its like a 6 or 10 frame loop
15:17 Cheezmo AH
15:17 Cheezmo I have dat :D
15:18 BitViper ive used it for a profile pic in a couple places :)
15:19 Cheezmo http://forums.timegate.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2596&amp;stc=1&amp;d=1306963135
15:20 BitViper yep that one
15:20 BitViper hehehe that would be a perfect header icon for a tech-support page :) :)
15:21 Cprossu .seen yNos
15:21 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw yNos 209.08 hours ago at 2012-05-11 22:16:21 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 15:21:12 UTC
15:21 BitViper g'mourning Cprossu
15:21 Cprossu morning to you too
15:21 Cprossu :)
15:21 BitViper nice wiring job on that patch panel
15:21 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon Cprossu
15:21 BitViper almost qualifies as art
15:22 Cprossu a tad of work and a mile of cat5 lol
15:22 BitViper only a mile ?
15:22 Cprossu honestly probably shy of a mile
15:22 Cprossu but still a lot
15:22 BitViper by 3 feet eh ?
15:22 Cheezmo should see my wiring that I've done in airplanes :P
15:23 Cprossu diesels and airplanes = epic wiring
15:23 Cheezmo I never got to do any panel wiring other than class, but the standards are... sky high
15:23 * Cheezmo tilts sunglasses
15:23 BitViper no pun intended right ?
15:23 Cprossu I've built up some nice car harnesses in my time though
15:24 Cheezmo car wiring scares me xD
15:24 Cprossu Cheezmo if you want to talk about high standards....one word: Fasteners.
15:24 Cprossu ^ (on airplanes that is)
15:24 Cheezmo god I know
15:24 Cheezmo and aircraft certified prices :P
15:24 BitViper Cprossu one of these days i need you to look over my car, hopefully i can get down there when you have time to. you'll probably pronounce it DOA
15:25 Cheezmo CD player for car: $200
15:25 Cprossu sometimes the saftey wire has it's own safety wire =P
15:25 Cheezmo cd player for airplane: $10,000
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15:25 Cheezmo same unit
15:25 detrix Cprossu, how is your knowledge of IPv6? need to know what settings for linux to set.
15:26 Cprossu my knowledge is good enough to run away
15:26 Cheezmo nowadays you just need a AA34 impedence matcher and a 3.5mm stereo plug for an iPod :P
15:26 Cprossu you may be batter off asking ynos though for that detrix. What a convuluted mess (ipv6)
15:26 Cheezmo hoshite, how are those $900
15:27 detrix Cprossu, will do.
15:27 BitViper Cprossu : mess ? isnt that being nice ?
15:27 Cprossu yes it's being nice
15:28 detrix .seen yNos
15:28 BotSteve detrix: I last saw yNos 209.21 hours ago at 2012-05-11 22:16:21 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 15:28:44 UTC
15:39 tonsofpcs detrix: are you being provided v6 by your isp?
15:41 detrix As far as I can tell, charter cable, is IPv6 capable.
15:42 tonsofpcs then they should be telling you what you need to set (at least in an abstract way if not line-for-line), check their support sites?
15:42 detrix I just bought an IPv6 router a few weeks back, so I am exploring IPv6
15:43 detrix Ok
15:43 eadthem is cprossu's server vanilla
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15:45 BitViper i think he runs craftbukkit like i do, but not certain
15:46 BitViper but ya still use the vanilla client
15:46 eadthem just didnt know if there were any commands
15:47 eadthem or if you could do /city or /home and go to the main area
15:47 BitViper not a clue, try em
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16:13 Cprossu eadthem: both of my servers should be van
16:13 Cprossu one is free build one is completely legit
16:14 eadthem is there anything like lock box or what not on the ligit one
16:14 Cprossu nope. the main reason is I am  not running bukkit
16:14 Cprossu I will have mods once the team decides on a standard
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16:44 Sasha_ Yo any ssh/telnet experts here?
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16:46 tonsofpcs I guess...
16:47 tonsofpcs what's up, Sasha_ ?
16:47 Sasha_ My internet doesn't work...
16:47 tonsofpcs what's that have to do with ssh/telnet?
16:48 Sasha_ I need help ssh-ing into it to disable the ISP's crapware UI and re-enable the default openrg one
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16:50 tonsofpcs ok, what is 'it' ?
16:50 Sasha_ The router
16:51 Sasha_ Some crazy customized piece of shit packed with illegal copies of outdated software
16:51 tonsofpcs if your router has an sshd, you should be able to just ssh to its ip address...
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16:51 tonsofpcs I'm not quite sure how we can help you.
16:51 Sasha_ Yeah, but it tells me that the connection is refused...
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17:19 Monkeh I must echo tonsofpcs.
17:20 Cprossu whoops lost inet for a while there
17:20 Monkeh Cprossu: Stop breaking things
17:21 Cprossu not at the lab
17:21 Cprossu heh
17:21 Monkeh And still you're breaking things
17:21 Sasha_ Lol at least yours works
17:22 Cprossu indeed
17:23 Experimentonomen so Cprossu, how does it feel to be back home after several weeks at the lab ?
17:24 egrsteve verners in your nose is not fun.
17:24 Experimentonomen egrsteve, then dont put them there ;p
17:25 egrsteve *verners fizz
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17:27 BatSteve Thought of the day:  "Some days you are the butterfly in Africa, some days you are the hurricane in California"
17:28 Experimentonomen hm
17:32 tonsofpcs Cprossu: did your 4am late-night internet watching ever come to some conclusion?
17:39 tonsofpcs there's a real version of worms for android but it fails to let me control it :( got my $2 back at least...
17:42 BatSteve howdy Seroster
17:43 Seroster Ello
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17:57 mashpriborintorg well it took hours to upload but here it his
17:58 Damianz Mental note; never let steve have a sledge hammer if you're within 500 feet
17:58 mashpriborintorg my voice sucks I need to pratice my spoken english
17:58 mashpriborintorg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_t4bWrbfSI
17:58 BotSteve Title: Fiat a/c control panel teardown - YouTube
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18:32 wannabe1987 hello?
18:33 wannabe|tgg hello?!
18:33 wannabe|tgg WHERE ARE YOU?!
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18:33 wannabe|tgg hi BotSteve
18:33 BotSteve Cheers wannabe|tgg
18:33 wannabe|tgg o hai
18:38 Damianz HI wannabe|tggness
18:38 wannabe|tgg hi
18:42 Experimentonomen wb chippeh
18:43 * Damianz yawns
18:43 wannabe|tgg go to bed?
18:43 Damianz In bed
18:44 wannabe|tgg sleep?
18:45 Damianz Not yet :D Just bored of this code
18:51 wannabe|tgg http://explosm.net/comics/2802/
18:51 BotSteve Title: Cyanide & Happiness #2802 - Explosm.net
18:51 wannabe|tgg i'd leave too....
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18:52 wannabe|tgg hi shawn
18:52 shawn how yall doing guys
18:52 wannabe|tgg what about the girls?
18:52 shawn hi wannabe
18:52 wannabe|tgg i'm doing fine
18:52 shawn and girls lol sorry
18:52 wannabe|tgg thx :)
18:52 shawn I have a qestion about plcs
18:53 wannabe|tgg i don't know what plc's are....
18:53 shawn Programmable logic controllers
18:53 shawn anyone knw!!
18:54 wannabe|tgg is it computers?  electronics?  HV?
18:54 shawn electronic/electricity
18:54 shawn based electronic/electricity
18:54 mashpriborintorg industrial automation control mostly
18:54 shawn anyep
18:55 mashpriborintorg arduino at the pro level
18:55 shawn yep
18:55 wannabe|tgg ahhhh.  ok.  i know people in lab who can help you, but they're busy programming an arduino :P
18:55 shawn ohh
18:55 shawn ok
18:56 detrix I can help a little wit PLCs
18:57 shawn ok detrix
18:57 shawn my thing is I took a plc class in collge
18:58 shawn it was just basic stff we havent program anything at all beside on and off light
18:59 shawn but now Im working with plcs and they want m to start programming it
18:59 detrix Understood. I  learned back in 1988 at ITT. but a friend of mine is into it, and I help once and a while.
19:00 shawn I understand AND, OR, Timers counters... but i m stuck on how to use my knowledge to program
19:01 shawn what i m suppose to do ?
19:02 detrix Usually, once you have a need to control something, you know what needs to be done,  like turing on/off motors, checking for safety switches....
19:03 shawn im kinda lost brother
19:04 detrix right now my friend is Pennsylvania is using a PLC to just record data at certain intervals....once an hour, once a week, and once a month. Not much controlling.
19:04 shawn put ONS, add MOV to certain destination... Open valve and L then open with TON...
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19:06 Yrouel hi
19:06 wannabe|tgg hi Yrouel!
19:06 Yrouel :)
19:06 detrix Salutations and Hallucinations.
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19:18 BitViper more of the latter than the former
19:40 wannabe|tgg hey BitViper, you're still online
19:41 * exor674 hugs at wannabe|tgg
19:41 wannabe|tgg yay hugs!
19:41 * wannabe|tgg hugs at exor674
19:42 BitViper wannabe|tgg : yep, had to wring some necks
19:43 wannabe|tgg i see.
19:43 BitViper ppl like me to help em, told em they need to help me then
19:44 * Damianz magnetize wannabe|tgg and exor674 so they can never break apart
19:44 Electricguy seems fair
19:45 wannabe|tgg hi Electricguy!
19:45 Electricguy hello :)
19:45 BitViper Electricguy : fair yes, but aparently not logical to a lot of ppl
19:45 Electricguy great..
19:48 Electricguy woah! :D http://hackaday.com/2012/05/20/building-a-6502-in-minecraft/
19:48 BotSteve Title: Building a 6502 in Minecraft - Hack a Day
19:50 BitViper meh, i wanna see someone do that with vanilla redstone ... THEN i'll be impressed
19:51 Electricguy thats what i thought it was at first :P
19:52 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/catperch/   L O L
19:52 BotSteve Title: Human cat perch. [VIDEO]
19:52 Electricguy the RedGame 2 minecraft computer is cool though :P
19:52 Electricguy made with vanilla redstone :P
19:52 Electricguy it's hooge!
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20:09 Experimentonomen 1000x1000 blocks or bigger ?
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20:26 Seroster Dumpster diving SCORE
20:26 Seroster An electric lifter thing
20:26 Seroster One arm mounted to presumably a wall, a paralellogram mechanism from that arm to a linear actuator, on the end of that is a swivel with a winch
20:27 mashpriborintorg great, look what I found yesterday: http://sylvainm.free.fr/recup/20120518.jpg made in eastern Germany, full of weird communist parts
20:28 Seroster Nice! DOM?
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20:29 mashpriborintorg it's all parted out now tho
20:31 Yrouel Seroster nice find
20:31 Yrouel does it work?
20:31 Electricguy <3 Tetris on NES!
20:31 Seroster No idea
20:32 Electricguy Experimentonomen, no idea. download it and find out ;)
20:32 Seroster It's heavy as hell and the motors say "12v 50watts" - I have no 4amp psu
20:33 Yrouel Seroster you don't have a pc psu around?
20:33 mashpriborintorg a car battery should do the job
20:34 Seroster mashpriborintorg, Yes, I have big SLABs, a 3amp psu, battery charger.... I'm quite frankly just a bit scared of this behemoth
20:34 Electricguy a ATX (PC) PSU may not be able to give the high current pulse the motor pulls when it starts
20:34 Electricguy a SLA can give around 60-200A depending on the size
20:35 Seroster * 400+
20:35 mashpriborintorg going to sleep, bye
20:35 Electricguy bye
20:35 Electricguy i have never seen a SLA that can give 400+A out..
20:35 Seroster Sealed lead-acid battery?
20:35 Electricguy yes
20:36 Electricguy at least not off the shelf consumer stuff
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20:36 Seroster http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Photo-CarBattery.jpg/300px-Photo-CarBattery.jpg
20:36 eadthem pop your cars hood
20:36 Seroster True, cars are not often sold from shelves =)
20:36 Electricguy i was thinking more like 18Ah-ish ones..
20:37 Electricguy not car/boat batteries
20:37 Electricguy there are like 200Ah SLAs too.. for submarines and sug
20:37 Electricguy such*
20:37 Seroster I think you missed a few zeros there.
20:37 Electricguy lol. in fact i did.. XD
20:38 Electricguy need to press the 0 harder next time
20:38 Electricguy as regular trucks got around 220Ah batteries
20:39 BitViper Seroster : only get em off the shelves at very large dealerships :)
20:40 Seroster True that BitViper
20:40 Electricguy i want to make like a PDP8 based on an Arduino..
20:40 Electricguy would be cool
20:41 Seroster electricguy I mean, if a submarine's generator stops, I imagine the sub woudln't die after a minute at 150kw xD
20:41 BitViper Electricguy : I have had the same goal, I have all the pdp8[e] docs :)
20:41 Electricguy also, the backplane of a PDP8 is just insane! http://www.jeffreythompson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/PDP-8I-computer-wirewrapping-web.jpg
20:41 BitViper er, is it 'e' ? the 'common' one ?
20:42 Electricguy Seroster, lol.. would be pretty bad if it did.. XD
20:42 Electricguy not sure really
20:42 BitViper Electricguy : dont bother replicating the hardware, just replicate the instruction set
20:42 Electricguy yes
20:42 Electricguy thats kinda the goal :P
20:42 BitViper or could do it in minecraft :)
20:42 Electricguy the HW UI isn't THAT important either..
20:42 Electricguy can do everything over serial terminal
20:43 BitViper right, the important thing is that it is software compatable, ie able to natively run the original code
20:43 Seroster I gotta make some custom cables. brb.
20:43 Electricguy yeah. it has to function exactly like the real thing..
20:44 Electricguy the Intersil 6120 IC is a little interesting
20:44 BitViper make adapters to connect modern devices to it such that the devices think theyre attached to a pc and the "pdp8" thinks theyre native :)
20:44 Electricguy it's also called PDP8 on a chip.. :P
20:46 Electricguy someone that at least started on one.. http://www.ndmckinney.net/pocket-pdp-8/
20:46 BotSteve Title: Pocket PDP-8 at ndmckinney|net
20:46 BitViper yes there was for a while a board using that chip that had much of the ...... yep that
20:47 Electricguy oki
20:47 BitViper hrm, well, that was one of them at least, there was one that was more done, was sold for a while as a complete kit, quit selling due to lack of demand
20:47 Electricguy i kinda want a core memory shield for my Arduino :P
20:47 BitViper i have links somewhere
20:47 BitViper hahahahahaha
20:47 Electricguy there is one.. :P
20:47 Electricguy just need to buy it. lol
20:47 Electricguy http://www.corememoryshield.com/
20:47 BotSteve Title: Magnetic core memory reborn
20:48 BitViper yeah i remember that, a bit light on storage space though
20:48 Electricguy no shit :P
20:50 Experimentonomen ugly solder joints on that shield
20:50 Electricguy basically a DOS emulator or small OS on an Arduino that runs over a serial terminal would be fun
20:59 Yrouel Electricguy there is one
20:59 Yrouel core memory shield
20:59 Electricguy link please! :)
20:59 Electricguy oh
20:59 Electricguy no shit sherlock :PO
21:00 Electricguy thats exactly what i said! -,-
21:00 Yrouel http://www.corememoryshield.com/
21:00 BotSteve Title: Magnetic core memory reborn
21:00 Electricguy do you realize that you just liked the exact same page as i did?
21:00 Yrouel lol I didn't read the buffer
21:00 Yrouel not completely
21:01 Electricguy heh :P
21:01 Yrouel about smal oses for arduino there is some RTOS
21:01 Electricguy got any links?
21:02 Yrouel http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1256745982
21:02 BotSteve Title: Arduino Forum - DuinOS: small and simple rtos
21:02 Yrouel seems a fork of freertos
21:03 Yrouel there is also femtoos
21:03 Yrouel http://www.femtoos.org/
21:03 BotSteve Title: Femto OS
21:03 Electricguy seems to be a more complicated way to write the exact same stuff as before
21:04 Electricguy not really a OS that prints stuff on a serial terminal that you can interact with
21:04 Yrouel I don't know in detail what you can do with those
21:05 Yrouel I think that for a small MCU like the atmega in the arduino is a bit an overkill
21:05 Seroster http://www.wimp.com/tricopterballoons/ lol
21:05 BotSteve Title: Tricopter hunting hydrogen balloons and evading sentries. [VIDEO]
21:06 Electricguy Seroster, that's Dadde on EF.. :)
21:07 Electricguy http://www.youtube.com/user/dadde87
21:07 BotSteve Title: dadde87 - YouTube
21:10 Electricguy lol! http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/532746_135597539908627_100003751448556_147022_468157009_n.jpg
21:11 BitViper ROTFL 'in the keys'
21:12 Electricguy no.. :P
21:12 Electricguy at the spacebar.. :P
21:13 BitViper i like 'in the [florida] keys' better =P
21:13 Electricguy lol :P
21:15 Seroster O lol electricguy
21:15 BitViper even better ... at the spacebar in the [florida] keys ... :)
21:15 Electricguy lol :P
21:16 Electricguy hmmm... i wonder if i can get an Arduino to halt and wait for a trigger to proceed it's bootup
21:16 BitViper just make it loop until it gets the signal
21:16 Electricguy myeah
21:16 Electricguy cause there is a setup "satge" in the code..
21:17 Electricguy i can let it set up all it's supposed to and then wait for a trigger
21:18 Seroster This thing
21:18 Seroster Is
21:18 Seroster WOW
21:18 Electricguy whutz? XD
21:20 Electricguy hmm.. digitalread seem to be the solution.. gonna code some :P
21:21 Experimentonomen *yawnurk*
21:25 wannabe|tgg he's being constructively destructive!
21:25 wannabe|tgg fyi, new items up on www.etsy.com/shop/wannabe1987
21:26 * Experimentonomen listes to vinyl on low volume in the dark
21:28 Yrouel Electricguy you can use interrupts I guess
21:29 BitViper wannabe|tgg did you get those autism things up ?
21:29 Yrouel you can also use the energy saving sleep state of the mcu
21:29 wannabe|tgg not yet.  they need to be photographed, i can do that today tho
21:29 BitViper k
21:29 Yrouel it's documented in their website
21:30 Seroster HA
21:30 Seroster Arm thing works fine
21:30 Seroster Winch works fine
21:31 Yrouel so why they did throw it
21:31 Thermoelectric .t EST
21:31 BotSteve Sun, 20 May 2012 16:31:21 EST
21:34 Seroster Crap do I know
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21:39 Electricguy hmmm.. seems a bit tricky to get a interrupt in the void setup part..
21:39 Electricguy cause i don't want it in the Void loop. cause then it's going to break and ask for user input all the time
21:40 Electricguy i only want it once when it starts
21:41 Electricguy maybe if i can add a second loop to it
21:42 Electricguy like a start loop.. and then when i press the button it jumps down to the main loop
21:45 Yrouel Electricguy thake a look at that http://arduino.cc/playground/Learning/ArduinoSleepCode
21:45 BotSteve Title: Arduino playground - ArduinoSleepCode
21:46 Yrouel ...until there is serial information coming in
21:46 Electricguy doesn't seem to do what i want
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21:47 GoodrichTires hello everyone
21:47 Electricguy i want it to start.. print a thing on a serial display, then stop to ask for user input.. if there is user input it continues to run the main program
21:47 Yrouel yeah I think you can adapt that code to do that
21:48 Yrouel or use interrupts in a more generic way
21:48 wannabe|tgg BitViper: https://www.etsy.com/listing/100264754/green-autism-puzzle-piece-wire-wrapped
21:48 BotSteve Title: Green Autism puzzle piece wire wrapped on a chain by wannabe1987
21:48 Yrouel they are designed to do what you want
21:48 SparkyProjects Welcome GoodrichTires :)
21:48 Yrouel well not only that
21:49 Electricguy but i can't figure out how to put a interrupt in only the void setp section..
21:50 Electricguy my code looks like this atm.. http://pastebin.com/4CWNxpQr
21:50 BotSteve Title: // Example testing sketch for various DHT humidity/temperature sensors // Writt - Pastebin.com
21:50 Electricguy yes, it's a bit messy, but it works
21:51 wannabe|tgg https://www.etsy.com/listing/100265104/bear-pendant-on-a-chain
21:51 BotSteve Title: Bear pendant on a chain by wannabe1987 on Etsy
21:51 wannabe|tgg ok
21:51 wannabe|tgg time to pack up my mess :)
21:52 Yrouel Electricguy so your device continuously display the temp and humidity
21:52 GoodrichTires thanks sparky
21:53 Yrouel and you want to be able to interact with it as soon as you "log in" to the serial interface?
21:53 Electricguy Yrouel, yes. it starts up with showing the text in the void setup and then starts to display temp and humidity
21:53 Electricguy i want to put a break in the void setup to make it ask for a user input..
21:53 Yrouel so look at the tutorial about interrupts
21:53 Yrouel that all you need
21:53 Electricguy so i basically have to press a button for it to start running
21:54 Yrouel yeah if you want an hardware access
21:55 Yrouel attach an interrupt to the same pin you connect the button
21:55 Electricguy gonna check it out tomorrow
21:55 Yrouel the mcu will stop doing what is it doing and point its attention to the interrupt code
21:55 Electricguy mkay
21:56 GoodrichTires whos going to watch the eclipse tonight?
21:56 Yrouel Electricguy if you don't want to mess with interrupts just check the state of the pin you want to attach the button to in the main loop
21:57 Yrouel as soon this state changes
21:57 Electricguy but i don't want it to jump to the main loop..
21:57 Electricguy thats the whole idea
21:57 Yrouel so I havent't fully understood what you want
21:57 Yrouel if it's a thermometer
21:57 Yrouel is always displaying a temp right?
21:58 Electricguy ok. i'll explain one more time..
21:58 Electricguy on startup that program prints out text on the UART..
21:58 Electricguy after that is done i want the program to pause and ask for user input
21:58 Electricguy if the program get user input it jumps to the main loop
21:59 Yrouel ok
21:59 Electricguy the text it prints on startup is put in the void setup to only be printed out once
21:59 Electricguy and not each time the program loops
22:00 Yrouel I don't know if you can do that remaining in the boudaries of the arduino libs
22:00 Yrouel boundaries*
22:01 Electricguy no idea..
22:01 Electricguy easiest way would be to get a secondary loop in there
22:01 Electricguy or a digital read and a if/else
22:02 Yrouel well try to put a main
22:02 Yrouel before the loop
22:03 Yrouel you can mix AVRC and "arduino c"
22:03 Electricguy gonna tinker with it tomorrow..
22:03 Electricguy too tired for it atm.. lol
22:03 Yrouel btw try to ask in their channel
22:04 Electricguy myeah maybe
22:04 Electricguy not a big fan of the Arduino forums/other help stuff
22:04 BitViper Electricguy : do your wait in the setup function, print out a prompt and go into a loop checking your pin or whatever
22:05 BitViper when you get your input exit the loop
22:05 Electricguy i pretty much got classed as an idiot and almost ported on the forums for asking for some help! -,-
22:06 Electricguy wait in the setup?
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22:07 BitViper yes
22:07 Electricguy there is no "wait"
22:07 BitViper do something along the lines of  .... while not ( condition ) {}
22:08 BitViper so it sits there and does nothing until 'condition' is satisfied, im assuming a pin going high or something
22:08 Electricguy yeah thats what i'm trying to do
22:08 BitViper at which time it passes that while and finishes the setup and moves on into the main looop
22:08 Electricguy but it seems very hard to do it all in the void setup section..
22:08 Electricguy in the main loop it's a piece of cake though
22:08 BitViper why, the setup section is NO different than the main
22:09 Electricguy seems to be..
22:09 BitViper except the main is repeated infinitely
22:09 Electricguy cause it wont compile when i put a simple if/else in the setup...
22:09 BitViper O_O
22:09 Yrouel Electricguy try with a simple int main
22:09 Yrouel see if it compiles
22:09 Electricguy not now..
22:10 Yrouel (int main between setup and loop)
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22:19 Electricguy gonna try a else/if tomorrow again..
22:19 Electricguy i may have done something wrong
22:22 BitViper good luck egg
22:23 Electricguy thx :)
22:23 Electricguy going to bed now :)
22:23 Electricguy night all :)
22:23 Experimentonomen im going to bed too
22:23 Experimentonomen nite peepz
22:24 Electricguy nn
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22:33 Carvagon anybody else gonna watch the eclipse?
22:34 BitViper trying to find a good video stream of it. wont see much if any here
22:38 Carvagon http://www.policymic.com/articles/8561/solar-eclipse-2012-live-where-can-i-watch-the-solar-eclipse-live-video
22:38 BotSteve Title: Solar Eclipse 2012 LIVE: Where Can I Watch the Solar Eclipse? (+ Live Video)
22:38 Carvagon looks like there is a link there to live video
22:38 Carvagon closer to the start
22:39 BitViper there are lots of links, but few are active, or are crappy, or ... the best ive found so far is uni of colorado, but they have partly cloudy
22:39 BitViper you'd think nasa would show it, but theyre just playing reruns
22:39 BitViper cris should do something on the live stream
22:40 Carvagon yeah i was wondering why nasa wasnt either
22:50 Carvagon http://www.nps.gov/featurecontent/petr/eclipse/webcast.htm
22:50 BotSteve Title: NPS: Explore Nature » Annular Eclipse » Video
22:50 Carvagon that might be best bet
22:50 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1DjsbJcIU <--- that is a lot of water
22:50 BotSteve Title: Jorrada! - YouTube
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23:04 * wannabe1987 is taking things apart. woo!
23:05 Sgt_Lemming wannabe1987!
23:05 wannabe1987 lem!
23:05 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1DjsbJcIU
23:05 BotSteve Title: Jorrada! - YouTube
23:08 Carvagon lol that is awesome.
23:09 Sgt_Lemming just a few tons of water... a second
23:10 wannabe1987 i can't do videos here :(
23:10 Sgt_Lemming aww, poor wannabe1987
23:10 wannabe1987 ik
23:10 Sgt_Lemming you at the lab?
23:10 Sgt_Lemming or somewhere else?
23:10 wannabe1987 no.  home, using a phone for a router
23:10 Sgt_Lemming ah, fun
23:10 wannabe1987 if i were at the lab i can do vids
23:10 Sgt_Lemming no proper internet yet?
23:10 wannabe1987 too poor
23:11 wannabe1987 taking donations tho :P
23:11 Sgt_Lemming lol
23:11 Sgt_Lemming would if I could, but I can
23:11 Sgt_Lemming 't so I shan't
23:11 Sgt_Lemming stupid enter key being so close to '
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23:21 BitViper the enter key is right where it belongs, its the ' thats misguided =P
23:23 Sgt_Lemming yeah, but most older keyboards had a gap between the two
23:23 Sgt_Lemming pretty much every keyboard you get these days has no gap
23:23 Cprossu indeed
23:23 wannabe-afk YAY NO GAPS!
23:23 wannabe-afk wait
23:24 Cprossu *weeeeeee
23:24 BitViper gaps are for malls
23:24 wannabe1987 i was gonna say yeah, i agree aobut the stupid gap, but i got disconnected
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23:25 Cprossu I should do a quick little test..
23:25 wannabe1987 http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2012/05/lansing_police_sword-wielding_cape-donning_man_breaks_into_home_sets_fire_stands_off_with_authorities_for_4_hours.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+michigan-news+%28Michigan+News%2C+Updates%2C+Photos%2C+Videos+and+Opinions+-+MLive.com%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader
23:25 BotSteve Title: Lansing police: Sword-wielding, cape-donning man breaks into home, sets fire, stands off with authorities for 4 hours | MLive.com
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23:26 wannabe1987 really?
23:27 tggmc_test now that the internet is mostly stable, let's see how long it takes this to disconnect.
23:27 tggmc_test yes, really (-Cprossu)
23:27 Cprossu using the web client for maximum instability.
23:28 BitViper 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 .. [click]
23:28 Cprossu The enrichment center reminds you never to _Bzzzzzt_
23:29 wannabe1987 bit, did you get the link i sent earlier?
23:29 BitViper um, after i asked about the stuff ? other than the one above ?? no
23:29 wannabe1987 https://www.etsy.com/listing/100264754/green-autism-puzzle-piece-wire-wrapped  i have other colors, this one was lucky and made it online today
23:29 BotSteve Title: Green Autism puzzle piece wire wrapped on a chain by wannabe1987
23:30 wannabe1987 i can't put more up today, maybe tomorrow
23:30 BitViper thx
23:31 wannabe1987 np
23:33 wannabe1987 they can also custom order a color, i'll be putting a custom order one up soon
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23:38 BitViper what are the puzzle peices out of ?
23:38 wannabe1987 they are acutal puzzle pieces
23:38 wannabe1987 i went and bought a puzzle.
23:38 BitViper just painted, wrapped and chained then ?
23:39 wannabe1987 yes.  these are the "mark I" prototype.
23:39 wannabe1987 if i actually have a market for them i'll see if moose'll cut some from wood.  but i don't want to go to so much trouble if noone'll buy them.....
23:40 BitViper right
23:45 wannabe1987 the part that sticks out (the nub on the puzzle piece) gets painted w/ clear nail polish so it doesn't fray
23:45 Cprossu omg.
23:45 wannabe1987 what?
23:45 Cprossu http://oi46.tinypic.com/sxm4vc.jpg
23:45 wannabe1987 zomg big numbers
23:46 Cprossu I wonder if that install of xp sp1 will become sentient soon ._.
23:46 BitViper it probably already is
23:47 Cprossu it's probably plotting the destruction of mankind right now. thankfully it only has a gig of ram
23:48 Cprossu I wonder what happens at 666 days ;D
23:48 wannabe1987 explosions
23:49 Cprossu not too many people can say they've run windows for that long without a reboot.
23:49 Cprossu or a reinstall for that matter (lol)
23:49 wannabe1987 my dad went swimming in our pool....says it was cold!
23:49 wannabe1987 or "a little cool"
23:49 BitViper give it another day at these temps
23:50 wannabe1987 .weather kgrr
23:50 BotSteve Scattered, 87.8℉ (31℃), 29.97in (1012mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (↑) - KGRR 22:53Z
23:50 wannabe1987 yeah....
23:50 Cprossu nice temp. a tad muggy but not bad
23:50 BitViper where i grew up swimming the top couple of feet would be warm in june, but if ya stuck your feet below that you'd freeze instantly even in august
23:51 wannabe1987 todays high was 93 at 3:05pm.
23:51 BitViper thunderstorms enroute wannabe1987 and Cprossu
23:51 wannabe1987 ik
23:52 wannabe1987 zozo's been hooking up UPSes and stuff to grounded outlets vs non grounded outlets
23:52 BitViper that takes the fun out of it
23:52 Cprossu and I'm messing with weatherscope, weee
23:52 wannabe1987 not with 4-5 computers running at oce....
23:53 wannabe1987 .radar tgg
23:53 BotSteve wannabe1987: No such location, or can't find radar data
23:53 wannabe1987 .radar kgrr
23:53 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=GRR&amp;product=NCR&amp;overlay=11101111&amp;loop=yes
23:53 BitViper http://www.mctech.org/earthwatch/weather2
23:53 BotSteve Title: mcTech Weather v2
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