Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-05-21

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00:01 injektion New radio in the Volvo http://goput.it/wia.jpg
00:04 * Yrouel 'night
00:09 wannabe1987 night
00:09 wannabe1987 the menfolk fell asleep....wtf
00:10 wannabe1987 eh.  more food for me :P
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00:11 Cprossu we do that when the barametric pressure changes
00:11 wannabe1987 lol
00:11 wannabe1987 or its hot out, lets sleep
00:11 wannabe1987 http://www.featheredfriendsrescue.org/uploads/3/0/6/6/3066631/541391_orig.jpg  bird
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00:18 injektion I rarely take naps
00:20 wannabe-afk same
00:34 BitViper WOOT !!! WOOT !! muahahahahahaah
00:36 Carvagon lol
00:36 wannabe-afk ?
00:37 Monkeh wannabe-afk: The fact that you can plug a device which requires a ground for both proper operation and safety into an ungrounded outlet says a huge amount.
00:38 wannabe-afk yeah....the light didn't turn on, so zozo had me switch outlets the surge protector was plugged into.
00:39 Carvagon ok can i ask a dumb question
00:39 wannabe-afk yes
00:39 wannabe-afk i usually ask dumb questions, you can too!
00:39 Monkeh Only under threat of ridicule.
00:40 wannabe-afk in fact, i have no clue what Monkeh was talking about....
00:40 BitViper we are always entertained by dumb questions ... er, i mean, we always entertain dumb questions
00:40 Carvagon what would happen if i were to plug a UPS into a wall strip (i think 12 outlets) and that wall strip was plugged into a larger UPS
00:41 Carvagon lol im an idiot and know nothing so i expect teh worst
00:41 Monkeh Carvagon: Now that depends on the larger UPS.
00:41 Monkeh But generally.. nothing. Although the UPS might get mildly pissy about not being fed a proper sine wave.
00:41 BitViper nothing unusual should happen until the power goes out ... after that ....
00:41 tonsofpcs depends on both UPSs really
00:42 BitViper hrm good point about the sine wave
00:42 tonsofpcs a double conversion UPS should generally not have a double conversion UPS as a load
00:42 Carvagon ok
00:42 Carvagon that makes sense
00:42 Monkeh Even my decent APC unit doesn't kick out a proper sine wave (although it apparently should)
00:42 wannabe1987 apc?
00:42 tonsofpcs I mean, think of the block diagram of the UPS units and how you cascade them
00:43 Monkeh wannabe1987: It's a make.
00:43 tonsofpcs APC is a company.
00:43 Monkeh One of the largest UPS manufacturers.
00:43 tonsofpcs well, a subsidiary of someone else now, but yea
00:43 Monkeh They've made some pretty bullet-proof stuff
00:43 * tonsofpcs has a nice large GE that's got true-sine output
00:43 Monkeh As Boden found out.
00:43 tonsofpcs Monkeh: tell him to stop shooting them and he'll stop ggetting those results :-p
00:44 Monkeh You tell 'im
00:44 tonsofpcs ah, American Power Conversion, that's it :)
00:45 wannabe1987 http://events.slooh.com/  the solar eclipse
00:45 BotSteve Title: SLOOH SpaceCamera - Live Event
00:45 tonsofpcs (and, by large, I mean you could fit two refridgerators inside the battery cabinet and one and a half inside the inverter cabinet  - it's not *huge*)
00:47 wannabe1987 i have a coin from another country from 1925
00:47 wannabe1987 i do not know what country
00:48 tonsofpcs does it have any words?
00:48 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I wonder how many people I can confuse by making the protection light on this surge protector go out when it's plugged into my UPS.
00:48 wannabe1987 not inteligibel (english) words
00:48 wannabe1987 i have an austrailan coin from 1979
00:48 tonsofpcs type em into google [as close as possible] :)
00:48 wannabe1987 it says "20" on it
00:48 tonsofpcs Monkeh: go out? how so?
00:50 tonsofpcs Carvagon in general, they're like this: mains > [bypass switch1] >[AC]> rectifier stack [bypass switch 2] >[DC]> charging/discharging circuitry* >[bypass switch 2]> inverter >[AC]> [bypass switch 1] > output
00:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Actually, I'm not entirely sure. I'd open it up to check but it's kinda running everything.
00:51 wannabe1987 http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-data/cq_ro/response_380/belgium_25_centimes_1921.jpg  its a 5 "cent" coin from belgium, but has square holes in the side.  rather nifty.
00:51 tonsofpcs it could just be a dead bulb...
00:51 tonsofpcs (well, shorted-over neon... or something)
00:51 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, because it sure as hell lit before plugging it into the UPS.
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00:52 Carvagon ok that makes some sense
00:52 tonsofpcs Monkeh: not knowing how it's wired or why it 'should' light, I can't guess :)
00:52 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell CaptainNiobe i could go to austrailia, i have australian money :P
00:52 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when CaptainNiobe is around.
00:52 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Sure you can.
00:52 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Autotransformer.
00:52 tonsofpcs Carvagon: now, they're normally rated in nominal (K)VA for the inverter running load
00:52 wannabe1987 interesting.  coin from malaysia
00:52 wannabe1987 .c 5sen to usd
00:52 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
00:52 wannabe1987 .c 5 sen to usd
00:52 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
00:52 tonsofpcs .c 5 kroner to USD
00:52 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
00:53 tonsofpcs oh, right, can't use google calc
00:53 tonsofpcs use .wa
00:53 tonsofpcs .wa 5 SEN in USD
00:53 BotSteve convert 5 \\:9322  (Japanese sen) to US dollars;$0.0006312  (US dollars);, 1-year  minimum->0.06¢  (March 14, 2012->2 months ago), 1-year  maximum->0.07¢  (October 30, 2011->7 months ago)
00:53 wannabe1987 .wa 5 sen to usd
00:53 JA12 yeah APC. had them spamming my email quite a while "download this whitepaper and win some price - apc from schneider electric"
00:53 BotSteve convert 5 \\:9322  (Japanese sen) to US dollars;$0.0006312  (US dollars);, 1-year  minimum->0.06¢  (March 14, 2012->2 months ago), 1-year  maximum->0.07¢  (October 30, 2011->7 months ago)
00:53 wannabe1987 lol
00:53 tonsofpcs JA12: that happens if you've done it once before.  I get them, but I actually request a whitepaper every few months or so
00:53 BitViper i wish this talking head would shut up and show us the eclipse
00:54 JA12 I have a apc surge protector which is registered -> emails
00:54 Carvagon hahaha i muted him
00:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I need to check, but I'm fairly sure it's acting as an isolation transformer
00:54 BitViper Carvagon : if that would show the ecilpse great, but otherwise doesnt help much
00:55 tonsofpcs the lamp is?
00:55 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, the UPS.
00:55 * wannabe1987 probably should have left some of her pence in the UK
00:56 Monkeh wannabe1987: Yes, I can use them :{
00:56 wannabe1987 lol
00:56 tonsofpcs well, yes, kinda... a double-conversion UPS will look like that block diagram I provided but never (under normal operation) be in bypass
00:56 tonsofpcs so you're rectifying to DC and creating fresh AC
00:56 dbshortwave ;]
00:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's not double-conversion.
00:57 tonsofpcs but most surge strips here are lit normal and blink dark when doing something
00:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: If it's trying to light the neon between line and ground over the autotransformer in my UPS..
00:57 tonsofpcs (I use the term 'doing something' because I don't feel like delving into electronics theory that you already understand)
00:57 Monkeh I need to check that.
00:57 wannabe1987 this one says "new pence" not two pence
00:58 tonsofpcs one pence, two pence, red pence, new pence?
00:58 tonsofpcs BitViper: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2012/05/20/solar-eclipse-millions-look-skyward/
00:58 JA12 in this economy it could be "some pence"
00:58 BotSteve Title: Solar Eclipse: Millions Look Up for 'Ring of Fire' | Fox News Latino
00:58 wannabe1987 what good is a "half penny"?
00:58 Monkeh wannabe1987: None for some time.
00:58 wannabe1987 oooo a canadian dollar.  i'm rich! :P
00:59 tonsofpcs it's great for rounding up a bit to 13 cents ;)
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00:59 Monkeh wannabe1987: What's the year on it? (the half penny)
00:59 wannabe1987 1960
00:59 Carvagon i got kicked out of canada.  left all my money at the casino
01:00 Monkeh Oh, wow, pre-decimal.
01:00 Monkeh wannabe1987: Yeah, that's been useless since 1969.
01:00 tonsofpcs .wa 1/480 GBP to USD
01:00 BotSteve convert £1\/480  (British pounds) to US dollars;$0.003297  (US dollars);, 1-year  minimum->0.32¢  (January 14, 2012->4 months ago), 1-year  maximum->0.34¢  (August 20, 2011->9 months ago)
01:00 wannabe1987 cool.  i'll use it for decoration then :)
01:01 Monkeh Now if you said you had a 1984 half penny..
01:01 wannabe1987 ?
01:01 tonsofpcs .wa 1/200 GBP to USD
01:01 BotSteve convert £1\/200  (British pounds) to US dollars;$0.007909  (US dollars);, 1-year  minimum->0.76¢  (January 14, 2012->4 months ago), 1-year  maximum->0.83¢  (August 20, 2011->9 months ago);EUR->0.62c  (euro cents), CHF->0.74 centimes  (Swiss centimes), CNY->5.00\\:5206  (Chinese fen), NOK->4.72 øre  (Norwegian ore)
01:01 Monkeh wannabe1987: Never issued. Minted and proofed only.
01:01 SparkyProjects wannabe, it says new pence because we went from 240 pennies in a pound to 100 new pence in the pound when we decimalised our money
01:01 wannabe1987 ahhhhh
01:01 wannabe1987 cool
01:02 * Monkeh looks around for an abandoned plug and goes to grab his multimeter
01:02 BitViper http://www.ustream.tv/solareclipse
01:02 BotSteve Title: Solar Eclipse, Ustream.TV: , ,
01:03 wannabe1987 wish i could read hebrew
01:05 wannabe1987 the years on these coins blow me away....1923 for france, 192x for italy....
01:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Mystery solved.
01:07 SparkyProjects Wannabe http://www.fourth-millennium.net/family-travels/old-UK-money-math-problems.html
01:07 SparkyProjects look at the pic of coins still in use in 1960's
01:07 BotSteve Title: Tales from the Waste family travels: Tenby, Wales, UK 1962-1964
01:07 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The lamp is between line and earth, the UPS is acting as an isolation transformer; it's floating.
01:07 wannabe1987 sadly, i don't have welsh money....
01:08 SparkyProjects That's not welsh, that's UK
01:08 SparkyProjects Just happens to be a welsh site
01:08 wannabe1987 ahhh
01:08 wannabe1987 i could use welsh money for my decorations tho....;) :P
01:09 wannabe1987 sounds like confusing math.....
01:09 SparkyProjects When you're born into it, it's easy
01:09 wannabe1987 i'll trust you on that.
01:09 Monkeh wannabe1987: Like the imperial 'system'.
01:09 * wannabe1987 likes her pennies and dollars and usd except they are not worht much
01:10 wannabe1987 altho, i did enjoy your 20p pieces over there....they were helpful
01:10 SparkyProjects welsh money is the same as the rest of the uk, but has welsh images on the reverse
01:11 wannabe1987 all i have are things from when i was in england...
01:12 SparkyProjects In one way, UK coins (and some other parts of the world) are welsh coins, they are made at the royal mint, which is located in Wales ;)
01:12 wannabe1987 9 pounds, 76pence in coins, and a five pound note
01:13 wannabe1987 will that help you, Monkeh?
01:13 wannabe1987 :P
01:14 Monkeh Yes,
01:14 wannabe1987 it'll cost more in weight to ship it there than its worth...
01:15 Monkeh Doubt that
01:15 wannabe1987 so if i stuck a two pound coin in stomper, what would happen?  its got the two different colored circles.
01:15 Monkeh It'll either fall apart or break
01:16 * dbshortwave snickers
01:16 dbshortwave Confucius Say
01:16 dbshortwave The toilet of the Star Ship Enterprise contains 'the captains log'.
01:17 Sgt_Lemming Monkeh, it could do some interesting things actually
01:17 Sgt_Lemming as the outer ring and the centre would react different
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01:18 Sgt_Lemming if one expanded and the other contracted, it might shatter rather forcefully
01:18 wannabe1987 i'll ask cpro l8r....i also have pesos like the pounds, with two rings.
01:18 Twiddlekins_ usually pops the rings apart from what i've seen
01:18 Twiddlekins_ square coins and tokens do really weird things
01:18 Monkeh Sgt_Lemming: Yeah, typically they either fall apart or shatter the outer ring
01:18 Monkeh I honestly don't remember which way a £2 coin swings
01:19 Sgt_Lemming the one I have yet to send over which I'd like to try is an australian 50c piece
01:19 Twiddlekins_ that would be neat
01:19 Sgt_Lemming they are huge and dodecagonal
01:19 Twiddlekins_ indeedy
01:19 Sgt_Lemming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_cent_coin_(Australian)
01:19 BotSteve Title: Australian fifty-cent coin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:20 Monkeh Sgt_Lemming: Much like a 20p but larger
01:21 wannabe1987 i have a 2, 5, and 20 of the aussie coins, i believe.  the 20 is rather hefty
01:21 wannabe1987 its s 79
01:21 Twiddlekins_ yeh it's an annoyingly large coin
01:21 Monkeh Sgt_Lemming: 20p is a heptagon, though.
01:21 SparkyProjects A bit larger than out 50p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_pence_(British_coin)
01:21 BotSteve Title: Fifty pence (British coin) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:21 Sgt_Lemming the 50c coin weighs about 50% more than the 20c wannabe1987
01:21 Sgt_Lemming and it's hooge
01:22 Sgt_Lemming >1" round
01:22 wannabe1987 o.o
01:22 Sgt_Lemming sorry, 1.25"
01:22 lwq1996 the penny is biger than the dime :P
01:22 Twiddlekins_ well that is > 1" :P
01:22 Sgt_Lemming shush Twiddlekins_
01:23 wannabe1987 lee, i'm going through my other country coins....:)
01:23 wannabe1987 and putting certain ones in photo frames for decorations
01:24 wannabe1987 damnit kidwell never gave me my pen back.
01:24 lwq1996 only a pen
01:24 wannabe1987 yes, but i'm running out of
01:25 wannabe1987 "good" pens
01:25 lwq1996 i was at a slavage yard today :D
01:25 wannabe1987 ooo
01:25 lwq1996 was in there for damn near 3hours and didnt find what we needed so we improvised
01:28 wannabe1987 is japanese written up and dowN?
01:29 wannabe1987 ooo thunder
01:31 BitViper wannabe1987 are you at home or the lab ?
01:31 wannabe1987 home
01:31 wannabe1987 y?
01:31 BitViper looks like there's a tiny cell that'll maybe just barely miss you to the north
01:31 SparkyProjects slavage yard ?
01:31 SparkyProjects Looking for a slave ?
01:31 wannabe1987 home is .5 miles east of the lab
01:32 lwq1996 salvage
01:32 BitViper two tiny ones that look like they might hit the lab direct
01:32 lwq1996 mixed up the a and l
01:32 wannabe1987 .radar kgrr
01:32 BotSteve wannabe1987: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=GRR&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
01:32 wannabe1987 oooo looks pretty!
01:34 Carvagon whats a good time to come check the lab out?  lol i dont wanna drive 4 hours for corey eating a banana lol
01:34 BitViper hahahaha
01:34 BitViper where are you ?
01:35 wannabe1987 a week day is usually good, weds - sat
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01:35 wannabe1987 hey detrix, hows the storms?
01:35 lwq1996 Carvagon: thats a question for chris. there is usually fun stuff everyday
01:35 wannabe1987 smells like rain, here....
01:35 SparkyProjects Carvagon, take a big hammer with you for GH5 :D
01:35 wannabe1987 not today there wasnt
01:37 BitViper wannabe1987 theyre over you now, just to the north going away
01:37 Carvagon im in indy and wanna bring a bunch of stuff up
01:37 wannabe1987 i was making jewelry and Cprossu was wiring things
01:37 Carvagon im totally in for demo and construction stuff.  love it
01:37 detrix did not know it was rainging. lol
01:37 BitViper another one right behnid them
01:38 lwq1996 tomorrow if i get home and get the weed eating done i will officaly mowed the whole yard by myself
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01:39 detrix this is how much of a geek I am.  I just connected to freenode irc via IPv6.  *big grin*
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01:40 Carvagon cool.  gonna have to take a day of work then lol
01:40 Carvagon totally worth it
01:41 wannabe1987 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s320x320/543373_4009646961203_1282107278_3817380_846593224_n.jpg  solar eclipse rings from new mexico
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01:43 wannabe1987 http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video
01:43 BotSteve Title: WOOD TV8 | Video - Live Video - WOOD
01:43 wannabe1987 its an eclipse!
01:43 wannabe1987 and not the car kind....
01:43 lwq1996 WHEN TONIGHT?
01:43 * lwq1996 looks out his window
01:44 wannabe1987 yes
01:44 wannabe1987 ....
01:44 wannabe1987 for the southwest part of the country :P
01:44 lwq1996 damnit
01:44 wannabe1987 ikr
01:44 lwq1996 well, we can see part of it i think
01:44 wannabe1987 plus it is storming here
01:47 lwq1996 i always have to think before writing shot or shoot because i can get the ones mixed up
01:48 wannabe1987 thinking is good
01:48 BitViper there's no ones in shoot or shot =P
01:51 * lwq1996 hits his head for thinking about going back to the whore i was with
01:51 wannabe1987 ...
01:51 * wannabe1987 slaps you.....for the same reasons
01:51 * BatSteve slaps CSMonster for no reasons
01:51 lwq1996 lol
01:52 wannabe1987 ...lol
01:52 lwq1996 i'll let anyone hit me for a good reason.
01:53 wannabe1987 oooo a swedish coin!
01:56 SparkyProjects Wannabe has seks :D
01:57 wannabe1987 lol
02:00 lwq1996 is a sek the swedish coin?
02:01 SparkyProjects yep
02:01 BitViper in sweeden, even their priests have seks
02:01 wannabe1987 some of them, like the one from india, or south africa, i have no clue how i got them....
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02:02 wannabe1987 wb
02:03 Carvagon ty
02:04 egrsteve 'ello
02:04 Carvagon howdy
02:05 wannabe1987 hi steve
02:05 wannabe1987 is jenison getting hit?
02:05 egrsteve passed already
02:05 wannabe1987 same
02:06 wannabe1987 did you get hit at all tho?
02:07 egrsteve a little rain
02:07 egrsteve for mYbe 5-10 min
02:08 detrix I hear thunder, but no rain yet
02:09 detrix ok, now its raining!
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02:22 Carvagon gonna be a good roadtrip for sure
02:22 Carvagon oops sorry wrong window
02:23 wannabe1987 fine then, have a horrible road trip :P
02:23 Carvagon hahaha
02:24 wannabe1987 when do you think you'll be making your trip up here?
02:24 Carvagon i dont know.  i want to get everything together to bring and its kinda spread out
02:24 Carvagon so maybe mid july or so
02:25 wannabe1987 alright
02:27 Carvagon depending on how tomorrow goes maybe sooner
02:27 wannabe1987 o?  whats tomorrow?
02:31 * CSMonster slaps BatSteve for all of the reasons
02:32 * BatSteve reasons CSMonster for all of the slaps
02:32 CSMonster lol
02:32 lwq1996 BatSteve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1MHKRBPPAY&feature=g-u-u
02:32 BotSteve Title: Text Book Example of a Squib Load - YouTube
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02:33 BatSteve lwq1996: good link!
02:33 * wannabe1987 has pie
02:34 lwq1996 that guy had a good eye for bad things
02:35 * wannabe1987 pets the LittleCreature
02:36 LittleCreature hi wannabe1987
02:36 wannabe1987 hi
02:37 LittleCreature how do you do?
02:37 wannabe1987 i have pie, i do good.  plus i made decorations for my house out of picture frames, coins, and 2 sided tape!
02:38 * wannabe1987 wonders why kate is CSMonster instead of katemonster
02:38 CSMonster long story, don't want to talk about it right now.
02:38 wannabe1987 ok
02:39 wannabe1987 welcome back to the internet tho
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02:39 CSMonster thanks
02:40 Carvagon wannabe1987, big project due tomorrow.  lol thats what tomorrow depends on
02:40 wannabe1987 ahhhhh.  well, get crackin!  get off teh interwebz!
02:42 wannabe1987 moar thunder/rain!
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02:43 Carvagon lol forget that i worked 62 hours straight on it last week im relaxin
02:44 lwq1996 finals?
02:45 wannabe1987 no, i thinka work project
02:47 wannabe1987 yay rain!
02:48 wannabe1987 yay the red part on radar is right over top of us ! :D
02:49 Carvagon yeah work project
02:49 Carvagon been awhile since i had a final lol
02:53 wannabe1987 same!
02:55 tonsofpcs hmmmmm
02:56 tonsofpcs oo, wannabe1987's pie reminds me!  I has cheesecake :D
02:56 wannabe1987 it was pecan pie from the lab....idk why, but they had pie on saturday.....
02:56 wannabe1987 i was away all day sat
02:57 egrsteve hmm, more rain
02:57 tonsofpcs they should have cake on 22 july.
02:57 tonsofpcs egrsteve: please to keep rain there and not send it this way, thanks :)
02:57 egrsteve it's heading more north than west currently so your probably ok
02:58 tonsofpcs eh, it'll get caught up in the jet stream and/or fetch more over erie or ontario then get pushed right back down...
02:58 egrsteve although ut does reach as mamphis so even if it goes north you may get the south edge
02:59 tonsofpcs I guess I should load up the maps...
02:59 tonsofpcs .g NOAA beta SRH map
02:59 BotSteve tonsofpcs: http://radar.srh.noaa.gov/
02:59 tonsofpcs oh yea, that portion over illinois right now is going to be pulled up and over erie to hit me in the morning...
03:00 tonsofpcs oh well, at least I got 9 holes in today.
03:00 egrsteve I have a funny feeling I am in for a bit of rain tonight
03:00 Carvagon lol so did i
03:00 wannabe1987 oh noes a golfer!
03:01 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: what's wrong with disc golf?
03:01 wannabe1987 o nothing.  i thought you meant golf-golf
03:01 tonsofpcs disc golf is golf-golf.  It's that playing with balls thing that confuses me :-p
03:01 wannabe1987 with dimpled balls and clubs and stuff
03:01 Carvagon i do that
03:02 tonsofpcs (it's hilarious trying to explain disc golf to ball-golfers who don't get it immediately...)
03:02 Carvagon i consider it physics training and liquid consumption analysis
03:02 wannabe1987 wanna do 100 holes in a day?
03:02 wannabe1987 (fundraiser)
03:02 tonsofpcs huh?
03:03 wannabe1987 not you
03:03 wannabe1987 Carvagon, if he plays ball-golf
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03:04 Carvagon lol 100 holes in a day?  thats alot
03:04 Carvagon its takes 2½ to 3 hours to play 18 holes
03:05 wannabe1987 i know....my dad is crazy
03:05 wannabe1987 hes having issues finding golfers
03:05 Carvagon it would be fun.  but the lasy 20 holes u wouldnt be able to swing
03:06 Carvagon where and when?
03:06 Carvagon if its a weekend i might be able to do it
03:07 wannabe1987 https://www.facebook.com/events/119240634877021/  weds sept 12
03:07 BotSteve Title: God's Littlest Angels 1st Annual Golf Marathon | Facebook
03:09 Carvagon dang ill be in Kentucky then or otherwise i would definately do it.  it looks pretty cool
03:09 wannabe1987 ok
03:10 Carvagon ill have to donate a little.  sounds like a good cause
03:11 wannabe1987 thanks :D  its my dads workplace plus where my siblings are from.
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03:14 Carvagon thats pretty cool.  really cool actually.  ill have to get a hold of him and find out how to donate
03:15 wannabe1987 :D
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03:16 wannabe1987 hi lem
03:16 LemPhone sigh, wtf is with stupid people sitting on the stairs which are the only entrance to the station?
03:17 LemPhone hi wannabe
03:18 LemPhone three ditzy blonde girls sitting on the stairs at the local station and blocking the whole width, I come up and ask them to move so I can my bike past and get sworn at
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03:23 * LemPhone rages at brainless people
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03:24 wannabe1987 dude, thats annoying.....
03:24 LemPhone no kidding
03:24 LemPhone and about the 5th time it's happened at that station recently
03:26 wannabe1987 train? bus?
03:26 LemPhone train
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03:30 Cprossu yay! the test irc machine using the unreliable web client is still joined! amazing!
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03:30 wannabe1987 yes, but ggr pinged a bit ago
03:31 Cprossu I vould care less about that one
03:31 Cprossu *could
03:32 Nazca arg... couldn't .... couldn't care less
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03:34 Nazca if you could care less then you have some non-zero level of care ... if you couldn't care less you have a zero level
03:36 CSMonster the traditional phrase i think is actually 'could', which implies that, while your level of concern is non-zero, you wouldn't mind if it were zero.  so, you don't care that you care.  and yes, 'could' always made more sense to me.
03:37 CSMonster er
03:37 CSMonster *couldn't
03:37 CSMonster always made more sense that is.
03:38 Nazca ah, that would be a different phrasing though... "I could stand to care less" or "I'd like to care less" or even "I'd like to care less"
03:39 Monkeh|Lap Nazca: Too many words. Too hard for the average yank.
03:39 Nazca it bugs me because people tend to use could when they actually mean couldn't, even though there is noting wrong with the phrase itself, since they're inverting what they meant to say
03:40 Nazca to be fair, my other half has a far worse language quirk ... she says dis-concerning when she means disconcerting
03:41 Cprossu Nazca: I care, but I could care less =P
03:42 Cprossu and I care less about it than about the test machine
03:42 Nazca fair enough then
03:42 wannabe-afk Cprossu: can i borrow you and your truck tomorrow possibly?
03:42 wannabe-afk wtf nick
03:43 Cprossu possibly. it needs some gas though
03:43 wannabe1987 i could do that if you can help me get a fridge
03:43 Cprossu wee!
03:43 Nazca probably stupid question: GH5 did get checked out for asbestos before the wholesale demolition started, right?
03:43 Cprossu yeah I think we can manage it
03:43 Cprossu Nazca: of course.
03:43 Monkeh|Lap Nazca: I would figure so, and nothing there looked like it might contain asbestos to me anyway.
03:44 wannabe1987 http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/zip/3027862178.html
03:44 BotSteve Title: Refrigerator
03:44 wannabe1987 FOR FREE
03:44 Nazca Cprossu: I figured it would be, but I felt the need to ask just to be sure, it's old enough to have it
03:44 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Bargain
03:44 Nazca hence the probably bit
03:44 wannabe1987 def
03:45 Cprossu oddly enough it's older than that.
03:45 Nazca well yes, but if it's older it could have gained it where as if it's newer it probably couldn't
03:45 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Ignore the 'some repair' comment, a hand inside a fridge will never feel particularly cold..
03:46 wannabe1987 exactly
03:46 wannabe1987 if it keeps my milk and bacon cold, we're happy
03:46 wannabe1987 o and the beef
03:46 Monkeh|Lap Bacon is all you need
03:47 Nazca Monkeh|Lap: it won't feel anything ... if it's in the fridge it's not connected to the arm </bad joke>
03:47 wannabe1987 HAHA ;P
03:47 Monkeh|Lap Nazca: You should go compete with Gibroni.
03:47 wannabe1987 not funny :P
03:47 Nazca I don't think I can top tooth hurty ... that was far too good
03:48 Monkeh|Lap That nearly got me punched through the internet yesterday.
03:48 Cprossu gnerally with homes like that there's a sweet spot between 1956 and 1987
03:48 Monkeh|Lap I'm half expecting to be punched for it at the end of next month.
03:48 Cprossu which incudes renovation s
03:49 wannabe1987 i heard tooth hurty long before i knew gibroni
03:49 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: I am sad for the state of humour in your country.
03:49 Nazca true... before that it was used but not the "miracle material" it was after the war
03:49 * wannabe1987 hands you 5 pence for your sadness
03:49 * Monkeh|Lap goes and spends it on some liqourice string
03:49 Monkeh|Lap Thank you.
03:50 wannabe1987 no prob
03:50 Cprossu Nazca: yeah after the war we practically had asbestos baby wipes
03:50 Nazca asbestos ... natures ultimate demonstration of the concept "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is"
03:50 wannabe1987 zozo: http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/5192012043623mynewfavoritegif.gif
03:50 Cprossu actually it's hell of a hard thing to burn
03:50 Monkeh|Lap Nazca: You can hold a hot barrel in the middle of a war with this! It's PERFECT for your oven gloves!
03:50 Cprossu and as long as it doesn't get airborn
03:50 Cprossu it's fine
03:51 Monkeh|Lap Aye, but as soon as it does it's a painful death waiting to happen.
03:51 Monkeh|Lap Not a good thing to have kicking around the home
03:51 Cprossu between asbestons and PCB's
03:51 Cprossu I'll take my chances with the asbestos
03:51 Si235 http://www.neilpomerleau.com/eclipse/
03:51 BotSteve Title: Solar Eclipse | May 20, 2012
03:52 wannabe1987 yay mesotheilioma!
03:52 Nazca it's a ridiculously awesome refractrant and insulator .... both of heat and sparks
03:52 Cprossu *asbestos
03:52 Si235 we just shot this timelapse.
03:52 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: So will I, my standard dust mask is sufficient to filter out asbestos.
03:52 Cprossu exactly!
03:52 Monkeh|Lap Mind you
03:52 Cprossu though  I hate standard dust masks
03:52 Monkeh|Lap My standard mask is not the crap you've got at GH5.
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03:53 Monkeh|Lap I use proper, reusable masks.
03:53 zozolinux i hate needing to use a dust mask lol
03:53 Cprossu full face respirators are nice
03:53 tehdark45 zozolinux, use scuba then
03:53 tehdark45 :P
03:53 wannabe1987 Si235: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/543373_4009646961203_1282107278_3817380_846593224_n.jpg  my friend got this photo of eclipse rings all over his yard in NM
03:53 Nazca the dust mask stops you breathing it ... it doesn't stop it embedding in your skin, eyes, ears or settling on your clothes or hair :p
03:54 Monkeh|Lap Nazca: Thorough cleaning deals with the latter
03:54 Nazca very true
03:54 Cprossu honestly meh asbestos ain't the threat you think it is
03:54 lwq1996 i want a pet rat :P
03:55 wannabe1987 here lee: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/543373_4009646961203_1282107278_3817380_846593224_n.jpg
03:55 wannabe1987 o
03:55 wannabe1987 http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/zip/3027474394.html
03:55 wannabe1987 that one
03:55 BotSteve Title: winter white dwarf hampsters
03:55 Cprossu if you saw how they react to a mercury spill in my state Nazca, you'd think it's high level nuclear fucking waste
03:55 Nazca it's the mechanical carcinogen ... it gets the same rating as the particularly hot nuclear waste :p
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: http://elmbridgesuppliesuk.com/image/cache/data/accessories/3M_4000_Series_Respirator-500x500.jpg
03:56 Monkeh|Lap Start with those, never look back.
03:56 Nazca mercury isn't so bad... just don't breath it or handle it too long and you'll be fine
03:56 lwq1996 wait. it says kelly. is that you?
03:56 wannabe1987 no
03:56 Nazca just like lead
03:56 lwq1996 k
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03:56 Monkeh|Lap zozolinux: If you've never worn the type above, you should.
03:57 Cprossu http://3mcollision.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/7/07140.jpg
03:57 Monkeh|Lap Yeah, those are great, but also expensive
03:58 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Those are £200 + filters. The 4000 series are £20 and with cleaning can be used for some time.
03:58 Cprossu it's damn nice when you can make a factory foot the bill
03:58 Nazca honestly, the problem with asbestos is that once it's in to fibres it is, as said, a giant time bomb
03:58 Cprossu Nazca: seal it
03:59 Cprossu and it's no longer an issue
03:59 Nazca in to fibres
03:59 Damianz Duct tape
03:59 Nazca in chunks coated in concrete and properly labelled it's fine
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03:59 Cprossu where's masterofmonks when we need BS quashing =(
04:00 lwq1996 FUCK -runs to the bathroom to throw up-
04:00 Damianz asbestos re-reinforced plastic is fun stuff to burn
04:00 tehdark45 Cprossu, in nsfw :P
04:00 lwq1996 cprossu hes in nsfw.
04:00 tehdark45 lol lee
04:00 wannabe1987 or in PMs
04:00 Cprossu good to know
04:01 wannabe1987 o.o
04:01 BatSteve darn
04:01 Monkeh|Lap BatSteve: VHAT DID YOU DO?
04:01 BatSteve wasn't me
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04:01 wannabe1987 hi BotSteve
04:02 BotSteve Cheers wannabe1987
04:02 wannabe1987 .cookie BotSteve
04:02 BotSteve For me?  Thank you!  *om nom nom*
04:02 Monkeh|Lap Oh wow.
04:02 Monkeh|Lap Someone stepped on the intertubes.
04:02 tehdark45 .cookie nobody
04:02 BotSteve Here you go, nobody, I baked you a sugar cookie!
04:03 Monkeh|Lap Hmm
04:03 Monkeh|Lap Daystar is rising
04:03 Monkeh|Lap I suppose I should sleep
04:03 tehdark45 nah
04:03 tehdark45 why would you do that
04:03 Monkeh|Lap Because the daystar burns and I haven't slept. :P
04:04 BatSteve that is tautologically sound reasoning
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04:10 BatSteve time for sleeps!
04:10 wannabe1987 night
04:11 wannabe1987 :sniff:  yay allergies!  /
04:12 Nazca Cprossu: you don't happen to know what the firmware rev on that M4 is?
04:14 Nazca (also, I hate the revisioning system on those bloody drives ... little endian numbering in text is horrible, nasty and plain dumb)
04:14 tehdark45 Nazca, guns have firmware now?
04:15 tehdark45 :P
04:15 Nazca Crucial M4 256GB SSD :P
04:15 tehdark45 lol
04:16 Cprossu There's questions for me?
04:16 Cprossu ahhhh
04:17 Cprossu not worried about the firmware on the cruicial
04:17 Cprossu *crucial
04:17 Nazca you should be :p
04:17 Cprossu the 128 gigger seems without bugs for the most part
04:17 Nazca no ... really, you should be
04:17 Cprossu honestly look at any of the other drives
04:17 Nazca there are 5 firmwares I've seen
04:18 lwq1996 i fucking hate being sick
04:18 Cprossu you're making a big deal outa nothing Nazca ;)
04:18 Nazca 0002, 0007, 0009, 0309, and 000F
04:18 Nazca if you have any of the first 3 you have a wondeful firmware bug
04:18 tehdark45 bad firmware could mean data corruption  Cprossu. So it is important
04:19 Cprossu it's easy enough to update it enough
04:19 Cprossu it's just the OS drive
04:19 Cprossu it's not that important.
04:19 lwq1996 whats all going on the drive? porn?
04:19 Nazca after approximately 5120 hours the drive crashes every single time it tries to update the smart uptime counter... so every single frigging hour
04:20 * tehdark45 sends lwq1996 anti-sick
04:20 Nazca yup, every hour the drive will simple disappear from the OS and stay disappeared until you power cycle the drive
04:20 Cprossu when does this behavior start occuring?
04:20 Nazca 5120 hours of uptime
04:20 Nazca give or take about 100 hours
04:21 Cprossu so 213 days
04:21 tehdark45 That's like 200 days. Just restart it
04:21 Nazca I've had to firmware update nearly a hundred of the drives in production servers
04:21 Nazca no, you misunderstand
04:21 Cprossu fair enough I can pass the message along
04:21 Cprossu ???
04:21 tonsofpcs Cprossu: internet fixed?
04:22 Nazca smart has an uptime counter that counts the total usage period
04:22 Cprossu yes I get it
04:22 tehdark45 oh
04:22 Cprossu and after X it reflows
04:22 Nazca yes, I was talking to tehdark45 heh
04:22 tehdark45 lol
04:22 Cprossu or overflows
04:22 Nazca oh it remains accurate, it just updates it and then dies
04:22 tehdark45 if it rreflows then the drive is overheating
04:23 Cprossu *overflows
04:23 Cprossu just a mistype
04:23 tehdark45 typo*
04:23 Nazca tehdark45: basically the counter doesn't reset between power cycles, it's more a "this is how long your drive has been actively doing stuff" ... think odometer rather than trip counter
04:23 Cprossu anyway Nazca: that will be dealt with, there's a windows based firmware update for that drive, no?
04:23 Nazca so if your system isn't on constantly it becomes much longer
04:24 Nazca there's a firmware update cd
04:24 Cprossu ok, just as long as it's easy and foolproof
04:24 Nazca that's the only saving grace ... get the iso, boot the iso, enter yes to confirm you want the update, wait for it to tell you it did the update
04:25 Cprossu there is a reason it needs to be foolproof though heh
04:25 Nazca only a problem if the drive is behind a raid controller that stops you doing direct writes, but that's not a problem here :)
04:26 Nazca but yeah ... we fitted them to a shed load of production servers that were on multi gig links ... and after a couple months it dies, ah it's a duff drive, we swap it .... then more die
04:26 Nazca was not fun times
04:27 Cprossu tonsofpcs : have tggmc_test set up on the webchat irc, I am waiting for it to drop off. if it doesn't I think I can sleep happy knowing the inet problem is fixed
04:27 Nazca amusing thing was, we switched to them from the type of kingston he's got for caching drive because those have a much less predictable and less common bug where they'll die
04:29 Cprossu the only ssd's I've never had issues with were the S:C 32 and 64gb intel drives
04:29 Nazca so we swapped one set of glitchy drives (they did release new firmware a while back) for a worse glitch with longer incubation ... that's irony right there
04:29 Cprossu *SLC
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04:29 Nazca not used enough intels to really have a problem with them
04:30 Cprossu The SLC's that I installed haven't failed yet
04:30 tehdark45 Intels are built around reliability, so you probably wont find any
04:30 Nazca yea
04:31 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167014
04:31 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Intel X25-E 64GB 2.5" SATA II SLC Enterprise Solid State Disk SSDSA2SH064G1 - Enterprise SSD
04:31 Cprossu ^ these were goddamn expensive too
04:32 Cprossu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167013
04:32 BotSteve Title: Newegg.com - Intel X25-E 32GB 2.5" SATA II SLC Enterprise Solid State Disk SSDSA2SH032G1 - Enterprise SSD
04:32 Nazca oh you want expensive ... the pci-e SLC drives are fun
04:32 Nazca though, I can't sing the praise of OCZ enough
04:33 tehdark45 If you slap an enterprise or professional sticker on anything the price is 10x
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04:34 Cprossu tehdark45 it wasn't 10x.
04:35 Cprossu though the 64gb one was around $325 or so
04:35 Cprossu back when most 64gb MLC drives were going for $150
04:36 Cprossu but SLC is more reliable since it has fewer states it's cells can be in
04:36 tehdark45 what im saying is an enterprise sticker = $$$$
04:36 Cprossu yeah but it means $$ not $$$$$$$$$$
04:37 Nazca basically I needed drivers for a z-drive ... I've had an awesome email chain with a director at OCZ enterprise where he got the software team to compile me a driver for the specific kernel I was working on :p
04:37 tehdark45 look at server cases
04:37 tehdark45 they cost your arms and legs
04:37 Cprossu tehdark45: Maxtop.
04:37 Cprossu cheap server cased ;_
04:37 Cprossu *cases ;)
04:38 tehdark45 i'm saying in general. if it is labeld as professial, they charge you big bucks for not much better
04:38 tonsofpcs why is it so impossible to tether a connection from my blackberry to an android tablet (or other android device)... It just works (tm) in most linux distros these days and works with some software add-on in windows and a simple chat script in linux distros w/o automagical workings...
04:38 Cprossu because it's a blackberry
04:38 tehdark45 then there is apple where they charge your childs arms and legs >.>
04:38 tehdark45 lol
04:39 tonsofpcs the blackberry's not the device that refuses to state that it supports modem/data over bluetooth...
04:39 Nazca urg, I have to wrap my head around rrdcreate again
04:39 Cprossu it does but in an odd way sometimes
04:39 Cprossu also there are a hundred different android tablets
04:39 tonsofpcs yes, and they all run android.
04:39 Cprossu each seems to have a different failing
04:40 Cprossu ooh 5 seconds from lightning to thunder
04:40 tonsofpcs seriously, ubuntu since 9.something when it sees a bluetooth device with dun/modem capability just asks "oh, hey, I see you have data - want to connect?" [yes] "ok, what cell provider or DUN phone #?"
04:40 tehdark45 most androids have non stock android
04:40 tehdark45 which makes problems
04:41 tonsofpcs and newer ubuntus even go "oh, hey, you attached a phone via usb, want me to tether with that?"
04:41 Cprossu and the more proprietary binary code the worse off you are
04:41 tehdark45 yep
04:41 tehdark45 thats why any self respecting andrider uses custom roms
04:41 tonsofpcs android has this guide which fails hard since there's no way to force the tablet to say it supports dun/modem mode connections: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1406847
04:41 BotSteve Title: [GUIDE]BlackBerry to Android Bluetooth Tether Guide (Dial-Up Networking Profile) - xda-developers
04:42 tehdark45 android*
04:43 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, cant you make a hotspot?
04:43 tonsofpcs tehdark45: no, (1) I'd like to keep my communications secure (2) that's not an option from blackberry since it's designed for secure business uses [see #1]
04:45 tonsofpcs (if I wanted to make a hotspot, I'd use my [physical] modem/phone-tether wifi AP)
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04:47 KawaiiJess :|
04:47 tehdark45 .seen Katemonster
04:47 BotSteve tehdark45: I last saw CSMonster 1.18 hours ago at 2012-05-21 03:37:14 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 04:47:47 UTC
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04:58 lwq1996 screw it im going to bed.
04:59 lwq1996 night
05:03 tehdark45 bye lwq1996
05:09 * Cprossu just looked at his own patch panel in 1080p on the captains blog, yeah I am happy with how that turned out :D
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05:31 wannabe1987 here's to eating cup o noodles with chopsticks!
05:32 einball morning from uni
05:32 einball 0732 :>
05:32 wannabe1987 hi einball!
05:32 einball and got up at 0500 .... I love my life ... ^^
05:32 einball whats up wannabe1987 ?
05:32 wannabe1987 not much.....you're up early tho :/
05:40 einball :P
05:42 Cprossu wannabe1987: tell zozo we'll likely have to transport that fridge horizonally which means letting it sit a day before applying power, though we might be good if we just pay attention to where the suction line is on the compressor and lay it on the side opposite of that
05:43 einball wannabe1987: yup i have to ;)
05:43 Cprossu sadly the user manual for that thing says nothing!
05:43 Cprossu (other than don't let it fall on you anyway_
05:44 wannabe1987 ok
05:45 * wannabe1987 gives einball coffee
05:45 einball tnx :)
05:45 Cprossu I also don't have good bungee cords or tie downs @ wannabe1987.... but I do have the rest of my plastic bumper cover back there heheh
05:46 wannabe1987 zozo has tie downs, so does the lab
05:46 Cprossu also wannabe1987 do you know where the post office is?
05:47 Cprossu they no deliver my phone on saturday :(
05:49 Si235 http://blog.neilpomerleau.com/posts/capturing-a-solar-eclipse/
05:49 BotSteve Title: blog.neilpomerleau.com · Capturing a Solar Eclipse
05:49 wannabe1987 :(
05:49 wannabe1987 yeah.....
05:50 wannabe1987 google it?
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06:11 * wannabe1987 gives Electricguy coffee
06:15 Cprossu it's so nice having reliable internet @ the lab, I can remote in without being kicked out spontaniously now, it's great!
06:17 wannabe1987 lol
06:18 * Electricguy already got coffee
06:18 Electricguy but thx anyways :)
06:18 wannabe1987 awwww:(
06:23 Electricguy :)
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06:44 Livefire hi room
06:47 wannabe1987 morning.  playing LBP2 :D
06:47 wannabe1987 i won....the level....against a boss.....w/o help.....
06:48 Cprossu I am catching up on the forums and relaxing myself
06:48 Cprossu and being happy that the lab's internet appears stable
06:48 wannabe1987 o.O  how are you "relaxing yourself? :P
06:48 Cprossu in bed with a laptop propped on my ribs???
06:49 wannabe1987 lol it just sounded....dirty.....
06:49 Cprossu well ok, relaxing my legs and back.
06:49 Cprossu that sound less dirty?
06:49 wannabe1987 just curious...it *is* my bed and sheets, thats all :)
06:50 wannabe1987 i have a pillow topper thing for the mattress somewhere...
06:50 Cprossu standing and sitting are not as relaxing as laying down, you know =P
06:50 wannabe1987 mhm
06:50 Cprossu and I have a split in the crease of my little tow
06:50 Cprossu *toe
06:51 Cprossu I think I used it too much =(
06:52 wannabe1987 your little toe?
06:52 wannabe1987 or its just dry....theres lotion in the bathroom
06:52 wannabe1987 behind the mirror
06:52 Cprossu it gets dry when I take more showers/baths in a week
06:53 Cprossu then it cracks
06:53 Cprossu and is bad
06:53 Cprossu there's some newskin at the lab
06:53 Cprossu at least
06:54 wannabe1987 ?
06:55 wannabe1987 moleskin?
06:55 Cprossu no.
06:55 Cprossu .g newskin
06:55 BotSteve Cprossu: http://www.newskinproducts.com/
06:55 Cprossu think of it like superglue+aniseptic
06:56 wannabe1987 interesting
06:57 Cprossu it stings like a bitch though
06:57 Cprossu especially the aerosol version
06:57 Damianz Ewww I hate new skin
06:58 Damianz It allways peels off for me and just makes my real skin horrid.
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06:58 Cprossu if you had a cut in the crease of your little toe, how would you seal it though?
06:58 Damianz Talc+leave it
06:58 Cprossu sucky place to have a cut.
06:59 Cprossu and it feels like a paper cut too
07:04 wannabe1987 i think i have baby powder, not sure tho.  if so it'd be in the bathroom somewhere :P    wrap it in duct tape? :P
07:04 wannabe1987 theres some in the living room....
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07:10 wannabe1987 ok, when i click the "log me on automatically" button, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT>.....
07:10 wannabe1987 >.<
07:17 wannabe1987 Cprossu: if i use you and your truck to get things i will pay you gas money if you want
07:20 wannabe1987 http://xkcd.com/
07:20 BotSteve Title: xkcd: Old-Timers
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07:30 LemLap niobe and I are sitting here building her new computer atm
07:30 LemLap just installing drivers
07:31 wannabe1987 hi niobe!
07:33 wannabe1987 night lem
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08:25 Experimentonomen g'mornin peepz
08:25 MadManMarkAu Good afternoon
08:26 Thermoelectric Good evening.
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08:50 MadManMarkAu Need confirmation this person is a fucking moron before I make an ass of myself:
08:50 MadManMarkAu "Gravity is an attraction of re-active and de-active particles. most mass doesn't have the right specrum to de-activate re-active mass. re-active mass is any mass of thermal energy. Cold is not thermal energy. it's a de-active state. think super fluides. there is not much resistiance in it. Plz. stop reading books made in the 50's."
08:50 MadManMarkAu (YouTUBE reply to one of my comments)
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08:58 LemPhone lol @ topic
08:59 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7pn3uiWA0&amp;feature=g-all-u <-- something for mashpriborintorg
08:59 BotSteve Title: Aircraft gyro teardown - YouTube
08:59 Twiddlekins_ heh was just going to post that
08:59 Twiddlekins_ mikes a champ
08:59 LemPhone one of the HSBNE guys has his own gyro
08:59 LemPhone is flying it for the first time this coming weekend
09:00 LemPhone built it from scratch, pretty much everything except the engine prop and rotors.
09:00 Experimentonomen hm
09:00 Twiddlekins_ i've thought about it, but i can never finish a project :P
09:05 Twiddlekins_ on the plus side, i have a shed filled with.. well.. everything really
09:05 Twiddlekins_ if only i could find it :P
09:06 * LemPhone snaffles all the hv caps and psus
09:06 Twiddlekins_ ah well, i dont think there are many of those
09:06 Twiddlekins_ only mot stuff.. which isnt always usefull
09:08 Twiddlekins_ metric assload of nylon gears, bushings, bearings etc from more printers than i care to think about..
09:09 LemPhone if you have laser printers you have HV parts
09:09 Twiddlekins_ well yes, plenty of transfer supplies
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09:20 CaptainNiobe evening, all :)
09:20 BotSteve captainniobe: I have the following messages for you:
09:20 BotSteve At 00:52Z, wannabe1987 asked me to tell captainniobe i could go to austrailia, i have australian money :P
09:23 CaptainNiobe thank you, BotSteve.
09:23 BotSteve No problem, CaptainNiobe
09:34 Sgt_Lemming enjoying the new pc CaptainNiobe?
09:35 CaptainNiobe with 7? so far, HELL YES! but all my minecraft saves are on the 755! LOL!!!
09:35 Sgt_Lemming you can transfer them across
09:36 CaptainNiobe yeah, once i set up the 755... again... :P
09:37 CaptainNiobe i can't get over it has 6 fans, but is pretty damned quiet...
09:37 Experimentonomen g'day CaptainNiobe
09:37 CaptainNiobe g'day, Experimentonomen, how are you?
09:37 Experimentonomen sick of tap water
09:37 Experimentonomen it tasted so foul
09:37 Experimentonomen tastes*
09:38 CaptainNiobe buy bottled water?
09:39 Experimentonomen my account is empty and have been for the past 1.5 weeks
09:40 Experimentonomen and theres 4 days left to fo pefore i get money
09:40 Experimentonomen unless i can find a buyer for the LM3886 chipamp
09:41 CaptainNiobe i just spent nearly $600 on computer parts today, so i sure as hell can't help :-\ sorry
09:42 Experimentonomen i cannot accept donations anyways as i dont have legit reasons to ask for them
09:42 Experimentonomen i'd need a popular high interest minecraft lets play or something like that to be able to ask for donations
09:43 CaptainNiobe sometimes people just like to help... i feel the same way, honestly, i have no idea how i'm going to thank Sgt_Lemming for coming with me to pick u the parts, then spending a couple of hours putting it together and installing 7...
09:44 * CaptainNiobe puts pies on to cook
09:44 Damianz Pies?! For breakfast!?
09:44 Sgt_Lemming it's 19:44 here...
09:45 Damianz Strange upside down people... it's 10:45!
09:46 Electricguy 11:46 here
09:47 CaptainNiobe if we'e upside down... why don't we walk on our heads? :P
09:47 Damianz You do? :D
09:47 CaptainNiobe strange. never thought my head was that close to my ass. :D
09:48 * Damianz thinks everyones head should be close to ass at some point
09:49 CaptainNiobe eww, no thanks lol
09:49 CaptainNiobe stinky
09:49 Damianz Speak for yourself.
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10:26 CaptainNiobe i has spellcheck now, so should be less typos from me :P
10:30 * Experimentonomen tries to sell the lm3886 amp on 2 forums, diyaudio.com and allaboutcircuits.com
10:32 CaptainNiobe good luck with that, ex :)
10:34 Experimentonomen i bought the kit for 60 usd and selling it as assambled ant tested for 100 usd
10:35 Experimentonomen but there seem to be zero interest, apparantly ppl are not willing to may the extra 40 usd i ask for labor and shipping :(
10:35 Experimentonomen pay*
10:36 Experimentonomen i've had the tread on diyaudio for days now
10:52 Experimentonomen hmm 13deg C outdoors, i feel like talking a walk
10:54 CaptainNiobe i feel like using my gpu as a heater... lol...
10:56 Experimentonomen hm
10:56 Sgt_Lemming it's got nothing one mine
10:56 Sgt_Lemming mine PUMPS out heat
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10:56 Experimentonomen aight im heading out for a walk, bbiab
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11:48 * Nazca cries in the corner
12:21 Experimentonomen back
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12:53 Experimentonomen plorbh
12:54 Sgt_Lemming e pluribus unum
12:54 Sgt_Lemming and on that note
12:54 Sgt_Lemming BED!
12:54 Sgt_Lemming night all
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13:13 Seroster SCREW THIS HEAT
13:14 Carvagon lol
13:20 Seroster And I think I just indecently exposed myself to my mail(wo)man
13:21 Carvagon haha run and put clothes on.  they wont be able to identify u then
13:22 Seroster Meh, she's cool
13:28 Monkeh|Lap Seroster: What you mean is, she's seen bigger.
13:28 Seroster I doubt it
13:28 Seroster I also doubt she even looked
13:28 Twiddlekins_ heat would be nice, currently 4.3deg here
13:29 Cprossu morning folks
13:29 Monkeh|Lap Afternoon
13:29 Cprossu wow, tggmc_test is still with us, I'll be damned
13:29 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: Comcrap fixed things properly?
13:30 Cprossu it looks that way
13:30 Monkeh|Lap Impressive, they finally sent someone your way who can terminate some coax. ;)
13:30 Cprossu no that wasn
13:30 Cprossu t the problem
13:30 Cprossu the problem was on the neighborhood node
13:30 Cprossu lots and lots of noise
13:31 * Monkeh|Lap hands comcast a grounding strap
13:32 Cprossu well whatever, it's been hell trying to get one section of comcast talking to the other
13:32 Cprossu and I had to deal with 4 sections basically
13:33 Monkeh|Lap Nice.
13:33 Cprossu The main issue was it was intermittent
13:33 Cprossu and in order for the line techs to fix it...
13:33 Cprossu they had to send out a base tech to verify the problem first
13:33 Cprossu then he/she had to verify it
13:33 Cprossu then call for a line tech
13:33 Monkeh|Lap Ridiculous organisation.
13:34 Cprossu then the line tech had to test and verify it
13:34 Cprossu problem with this is there was 4 hour time windows for each
13:34 Cprossu and generally a 6 hour gap
13:34 Monkeh|Lap And suddenly, BT actually look good.
13:35 Cprossu thus the problem wouldn't exist once the base tech came, and if it did, it surely wouldn't exist by the time the line tech came, they would see proper levels and thus close the ticket
13:35 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: And this is what such unusual devices as data loggers are for.
13:36 Cprossu and I got them to recognize the issue, but do to comcast policy on automated equipment it was 'not considered an outage'
13:36 Cprossu Monkeh I asked several times
13:36 Cprossu about data logggers, spectrum analyzers and such
13:36 Cprossu they seem to exist but no one has the 'training' to 'use them'
13:37 Monkeh|Lap Nice.
13:37 Monkeh|Lap Trying to get BT to come out with a TDR is fun.
13:37 Cprossu (monkey fucking a football seems to come to mind)
13:37 Monkeh|Lap From what I gather they have about two for the entire county.
13:37 Monkeh|Lap They usually resort to manual inspection of the lines because they can't get their hands on the damn things.
13:38 Cprossu they replacred all the wiring from the tap plate to the cable modems we have
13:38 Cprossu and replaced one of the cable modems too
13:38 astro73|roam so today, i made myself a project that might require some compiler theory
13:38 Monkeh|Lap Which was probably all fine
13:38 Cprossu sounds fun astro73|roam
13:38 astro73|roam i know nothing of it
13:39 astro73|roam and it doesn't sound complicated on the surface
13:39 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap I was in "Cost comcast as much money so they fix the damn thing" mode
13:39 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: heheh.
13:40 Cprossu 6 truck rolls in under 50 hours got me noticed big time
13:41 Monkeh|Lap I bet
13:42 Cprossu and there's more to it than that as well, including my 'data only' outdoor rated rg11 line that runs from the newly replaced tap plate all the way inside the noc, with less than 10' actually outdoors
13:43 astro73|roam Cprossu: you are now the bane of comcast support?
13:44 Cprossu I made sure all the techs say my 3 ring binder of mtr failures and modem db readings during the events
13:44 Cprossu we're using business services.
13:44 Cprossu The last thing I should be doing is pull teeth to get the service we pay for
13:45 Cprossu *pulling
13:45 Cprossu and to my credit this will fix the whole damn neighborhoods' problem
13:46 Monkeh|Lap The whole damn neighbourhood probably didn't notice.
13:46 Cprossu it's just many businesses in the area gave up thinking it was probably their equipment, and many people don't know
13:47 Cprossu and it was a mess, call up comcast, and surprise surprise 'everything looks good!'
13:47 * Experimentonomen nukes some noodles for dinner
13:47 Cprossu we had an additional tool at our disposal though
13:47 Cprossu we had 2 cable modems going ;)
13:47 Cprossu same problem at the same time attached to 2 different networks
13:48 Cprossu with 2 different OS's
13:48 Cprossu too
13:48 Experimentonomen hm
13:48 Cprossu mad making my 3 ring notebook of doom easier
13:48 Cprossu *made
13:48 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: At least they bothered taking a look at it, I've spent months trying to get BT to deal with some issues.
13:49 Monkeh|Lap They finally came out and found that some twat had changed pairs half way down the line.
13:49 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap: if they didn't the next step was faxing the business lead an AT
13:49 Cprossu &T quote
13:49 Monkeh|Lap Now that's just evil
13:49 Monkeh|Lap I approve.
13:49 Cprossu I have my methods.
13:50 Cprossu and I can guarantee it woulda worked if I needed to go that far
13:51 Cprossu but I try peaceful means first, as that's one of many aces' in the hat
13:51 Cprossu only to be used when there's a problem that they aren't fixing
13:52 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap: an ace in the hat I did use "I came up here from Phoenix, Arizona to debug this issue"
13:52 Monkeh|Lap hehe.
13:53 Cprossu Monkeh|Lap: an ace in the hat I did use "I came up here from Phoenix, Arizona to debug this issue"
13:53 Cprossu SHIT
13:53 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: BT down here are so stubborn they don't accept identical line stats from two modems vs the same modems used in the property next door as evidence of a line fault.
13:53 Cprossu well I need to take a shower then drop by the lab I think.
13:53 Monkeh|Lap Someone's just forgotten he left the hob on.
13:53 Cprossu I hate it when I hit the up arrow and >Enter> by mistake
13:54 Monkeh|Lap heh
13:54 Monkeh|Lap Learn to type, fool. :P
13:54 Monkeh|Lap s/forgotten/remembered/
13:54 Monkeh|Lap I need to turn my brain on.
13:54 Cprossu I am typing remotely
13:54 Monkeh|Lap And my foot, too.
13:54 Cprossu and on a cell phone connection
13:54 Monkeh|Lap My laptop is sitting on my foot and I can no longer feel it
13:54 Cprossu there's appreciable lag
13:54 Monkeh|Lap Yeah, that's why I use bouncers and a local client
13:54 Monkeh|Lap Gets rid of the really annoying latency
13:55 Cprossu but on the bright side my client at hime has been dead stable
13:55 Cprossu as you can probably tell
13:55 Monkeh|Lap Aye
13:55 Monkeh|Lap Not sure how stable mine has been.
13:55 Monkeh|Lap I had a modem failure not so long ago which ruined my uptime.
13:55 Monkeh|Lap Still kicking myself over that.
13:56 Cprossu I can tell you I've probably had 2 months straight on here without reconnects
13:56 Cprossu (yay_
13:57 Monkeh|Lap Cprossu: You timed out on the 2nd of April.
13:59 Carvagon ^^why u gotta kill his thunder?  lol
13:59 Monkeh|Lap Because I'm a geek.
13:59 Carvagon lol
13:59 Monkeh|Lap Hey, I reloaded my bouncer a week later, so I'm not doing any better :P
14:00 Monkeh|Lap Woo, 3.4 is officially out.
14:00 Monkeh|Lap Today begins the great rolling restart.
14:00 Monkeh|Lap Every single box I have gets upgraded.
14:00 Cprossu April 2nd, still not a bad irc run
14:01 Monkeh|Lap Time to unify some configs, too.
14:01 Cprossu closing in on 2 months
14:01 Monkeh|Lap Three near identical boxes and they use totally different kernel configs. Is no good.
14:01 Cprossu I wonder if I am even identified
14:01 tonsofpcs freenode server uptime isn't that good...
14:01 Monkeh|Lap You are
14:01 Cprossu yep cool.
14:01 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Only a couple of netsplits other than that timeout.
14:02 Cprossu I'll totally take that
14:02 Cprossu freenode's been pretty good to me over the years
14:02 Monkeh|Lap Freenode's been pretty shit to me over the years but at least it has fewer stupid kids than other networks.
14:03 Cprossu they are still here but any decent channel does a good job banning them all
14:03 Monkeh|Lap Right, time to wake my foot up
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14:07 Electricguy pretty warm today..
14:07 Electricguy 26C outside
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14:22 Experimentonomen at my place its only 13deg C but im already starting to feel the heat, makes me feel like bleh
14:30 * Experimentonomen plays a 45 offcenter because it sounds funny
14:37 astro73|roam .c 13 degrees C to F
14:37 BotSteve 55.4 degrees Fahrenheit
14:37 astro73|roam that's warm?
14:38 astro73|roam are you living in siberia?
14:38 JA12 Electricguy: yeah. 23C here and I'm sweating like hell
14:39 Experimentonomen astro73|roam, in sweden, 26dec C outdoors is considered hot
14:39 Carvagon .c 23 degrees C to F
14:39 BotSteve 73.4 degrees Fahrenheit
14:39 Carvagon that's a perfect temp
14:40 Experimentonomen i took a walk in the 13deg C outdoors, about halfway i was ready to collapse from heatstroke
14:41 Experimentonomen and the last 1/4 of the way i was convinced i was not gonna make it home
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15:02 einball uhm
15:02 einball I just ranted about half an hour about my professor ...
15:03 einball Then I realized I did not read a sentence which makes the excercise really easy
15:03 einball :D
15:08 Seroster_ How can a third degree burn become infected? I thought the molten metal would sterilize it...
15:09 einball yes for the first few seconds
15:09 einball but bacteria from the air will settle on the wound
15:10 * Seroster_ sighs and gets the alcohol
15:10 * Experimentonomen lights Seroster_'s alcohol aflame
15:14 lwq1996 g'morning everyone
15:15 Carvagon good morning
15:16 lwq1996 anyone else bored
15:16 Carvagon im at work.  so yes
15:17 lwq1996 lol. Im at school teamviewing to my laptop at home. So i can get on irc and facebook
15:18 lwq1996 .see
15:18 astro73|roam lwq1996: what do you think I do all the time?
15:18 lwq1996 n wannabe-zz
15:18 lwq1996 lol
15:19 lwq1996 .seen wannabe-zz
15:19 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 7.75 hours ago at 2012-05-21 07:33:56 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 15:19:03 UTC
15:19 lwq1996 idk astro. Watch porn?
15:19 astro73|roam well, this is a web IRC client served by my desktop
15:19 astro73|roam which i can SSH into from anywhere
15:19 astro73|roam and i want to add a secured web shell, too
15:20 astro73|roam it might not be teamviewer, but it's just as powerful
15:20 lwq1996 lol
15:26 lwq1996 i hate sitting in class i would rather like to be at home fixing my 4 wheeler
15:42 lwq1996 bbl
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16:01 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon bits
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16:03 BitViper is it bad when your isp has a better uptime than your power company ?
16:06 SparkyProjects Your isp would have batteries and generators
16:06 BitViper *cough* *choke* um, yeah, sure *cough*
16:11 * Livefire logged on lat night and feel asleep instantly
16:12 Livefire bit who isyour provider??
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16:13 Yrouel hi
16:13 Livefire hi
16:13 BitViper a regional isp, not one of the big boys
16:13 Livefire ah ok
16:13 BitViper im in the middle of nowhere, the big boys dont know we exist
16:13 Livefire lol
16:13 BitViper or at least dont care
16:14 BitViper case in point, when i moved here 8 years ago the only internet here was dialup through one of the nationwide dialup isps
16:15 SparkyProjects Even so, they could be attached to a telephone exchange that would have back up, if not they should have back up.
16:15 SparkyProjects Power companies don't have enough batteries to supply a town
16:15 SparkyProjects Plus there's so many points of failure on a power grid
16:16 BitViper sparky i wouldnt be suprised it the local CO doesnt even have on-site backup
16:17 BitViper and while I have no idea about power backup for the isp's servers, theyre down enough between maintenance and stupidity that power backup for them is the least of their uptime issues
16:18 Yrouel I guess that their only concers is for customer who pay to have certain services guaranteed
16:18 Yrouel not for the normal home customers
16:19 BitViper id be suprised if they offer any 'guarenteed-uptime' type services
16:19 SparkyProjects Search on google maps, identify the building, look at it on satellite, see if there's a generator building nearby (though it could be internal)
16:19 SparkyProjects There  have been a couple of times here where they changed over the supply, so less that a second power drop, but that dropped out the computer, even if only a battery UPS they would stiill maintain internet
16:19 Yrouel SparkyProjects even for companies?
16:21 SparkyProjects 'critical services, yes
16:21 SparkyProjects Even the place i worked at had UPS and generators, remote hubs round the site also had smal UPS
16:23 BitViper SparkyProjects : as i said, for them maintaining power is the least of their downtime issues. power is the issue here at home, down for almost 10 hours this morning, only zeus has a clue why, we've had multi-day outages with no reason given
16:24 Experimentonomen urk
16:27 wannabe-zz wait, bit you have no power?
16:27 BitViper wannabe-zz came on about half an hour ago, was down from roughly 2am to 11am ishs
16:28 wannabe1987 that sucks
16:28 BitViper did, was hot and muggy in the buildings, no moving air, etc plus we have one lady in this building on oxygen
16:29 Yrouel hope she had some spare canisters
16:30 Yrouel end not only the respirator
16:30 wannabe1987 :/
16:30 BitViper yeah, she had tanks but no power for her little machine
16:30 Yrouel BitViper anyway medical devices such those should have some backup power
16:30 Yrouel at least for some hours
16:31 Yrouel anyway those are awful situations
16:31 BitViper fortunately this lady has most of the building as friends, we all check on her
16:31 BitViper and the fire/ambulance station is half a mile away if it comes to that
16:32 Yrouel she should also have the manual respirator
16:32 Yrouel (the mask with the baloon attached)
16:33 BitViper im not sure what all she has, but 10 minutes after the power was out last night her husband was putting her on the tanks instead of the machine
16:33 BitViper oh, yeah she probably has one of those, though ive never seen one there
16:33 wannabe1987 i don't even know what a "manual respirator" is :P
16:33 BitViper I dont think she needs that sort of help though normally
16:34 wannabe1987 the facility i worked for had HUGE generators incase of power falures for all the people on o2
16:34 Yrouel I think is called ambo or ambu
16:35 Yrouel is often seen on movies
16:35 Yrouel you have to manually squeeze a balloon to provide the air to the patient
16:36 Yrouel wannabe1987 yeah
16:36 Yrouel but even generators need fuel
16:36 Yrouel in case of an emergency they pose another set of problems
16:36 Yrouel if the facility can be reached
16:36 Yrouel can't
16:37 wannabe1987 ?
16:37 Cprossu yay! time to make all the patch cables for the security cam setup!
16:37 Cprossu *now to find some rj45's
16:38 Yrouel wannabe1987 I was thinking of an emergency
16:38 Yrouel such a flood or similar
16:38 wannabe1987 ah
16:39 Yrouel Cprossu how many cameras you guys have installed atm?
16:39 Cprossu a_lot.
16:39 Cprossu more than we can dvr for the moment
16:40 BitViper wannabe1987 : answer to that ... "all of them"
16:40 Cprossu I have 96 in on the patch bays ;)
16:40 Yrouel Cprossu I was wondering about the security cameras who's watching?
16:40 Yrouel who's monitoring the situation?
16:40 Cprossu a lot of us
16:40 Cprossu :)
16:40 Yrouel oh
16:40 Cprossu sometimes we stream it out too
16:40 Yrouel and I guess Omni is trained to surveil too :P
16:40 Cprossu our viewers are damn awesome as well
16:41 Yrouel yeah I sometimes look at the stream
16:41 Yrouel hope you guys resolve the interference problem
16:41 Cprossu oh we're on the way
16:41 Yrouel of the radio close to your building
16:41 wannabe1987 bbl
16:41 Cprossu it is rather close
16:41 Carvagon later
16:41 Cprossu but audio isn't my forte
16:41 Cprossu that's egrsteve's dept
16:42 Yrouel Cprossu your nick gives it away
16:42 Yrouel :D
16:42 Cprossu but yeah things will imrpove sec video signal wise by a lot
16:42 Cprossu we're dumbing a nice 16 port DA into the mix
16:43 Cprossu *dumping even
16:43 Yrouel nice
16:43 Cprossu we'll have some of the system going to other parts
16:44 Yrouel I think you guys need a proper server room
16:44 Yrouel without the messy flying cables...
16:44 Yrouel but I'm sure it's already planned
16:45 Cprossu well what we have now is 100x better than it was
16:45 Cprossu and the entire security side rack
16:45 Cprossu is being swapped out
16:45 Cprossu with one I am building to be tidy
16:46 Cprossu and identical in model to the other rack
16:46 Cprossu the last look at the NOC was during one of the videos that youtube messed up
16:46 Yrouel the green one I guess
16:46 Cprossu anyep
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17:07 mashpriborintorg hi
17:09 mashpriborintorg don't kow what it does but it's quite a beautifull thing: http://youtu.be/6RlzgeR_q_I
17:09 BotSteve Title: Ferranti DS 2 Tapchanger Gearbox - YouTube
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17:11 Yrouel mashpriborintorg tapchangers are used on substations to respond to load changes to maintain a costant power output
17:12 mashpriborintorg ok, not the consumer grade stuff I guess :p
17:12 Yrouel not really no
17:12 Experimentonomen mashpriborintorg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7pn3uiWA0&amp;feature=g-all-lik
17:12 BotSteve Title: Aircraft gyro teardown - YouTube
17:13 Experimentonomen you have atleast one of those, dont ya ?
17:13 mashpriborintorg I watched it first thing while back home
17:13 mashpriborintorg hmmm. I have bigger.
17:13 Yrouel both cool channels
17:13 Yrouel :D
17:13 mashpriborintorg wait, I found something awesome, a guy who tinkers jet engines
17:14 mashpriborintorg http://www.youtube.com/user/AgentJayZ?feature=watch
17:14 BotSteve Title: AgentJayZ - YouTube
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17:17 Experimentonomen that his day job even
17:17 mashpriborintorg yeah... dreamjob
17:18 mashpriborintorg btw I made an equipment autopsy video but my voice sucks, I need to practive spoken english http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_t4bWrbfSI&amp;feature=plcp
17:18 BotSteve Title: Fiat a/c control panel teardown - YouTube
17:24 Yrouel mashpriborintorg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwt3nYsVEbQ
17:24 BotSteve Title: Function Principle of the OLTC - YouTube
17:24 Yrouel this explains how tap changers work
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17:27 mashpriborintorg much clearer, thanks
17:31 Experimentonomen your spoken english is better than mine!
17:32 mashpriborintorg damn words won't come when you need them :p
17:32 Electricguy gah! totally spent..
17:33 Electricguy have been mounting some extra lights on dads car..
17:33 Electricguy whild fighting millions of frigin mosquitos! -,-
17:34 mashpriborintorg and sucking the battery empty in 15 seconds :p
17:34 Electricguy that == phycologial meltdown.. XD
17:34 Electricguy well.. mounted 300Watts of extra lights on it :)
17:34 Electricguy should do pretty good
17:40 Experimentonomen sounds like Electricguy needs a energy drink
17:40 Electricguy had some burgers and beer. :)
17:45 mashpriborintorg Davidsfarm should say mounting the car lights was a 3 beers long work :)
17:46 Electricguy lol yeah
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18:01 Electricguy i realized that my try to put a user input in my Arduino code isn't going to work..
18:01 Electricguy cause as it only runs the void setup once i have to hold down the button when it starts to get it to even start..
18:03 Electricguy what i can do it to use a toggleswitch and put a else/if in the main loop
18:03 Electricguy is*
18:04 * Experimentonomen is chassidoodling again: http://i.imgur.com/eTbU0.jpg
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18:05 Electricguy looks nice exp
18:12 Yrouel Electricguy have you tried to use avr c?
18:12 Yrouel with a standard main?
18:13 Electricguy no
18:13 Electricguy not yet..
18:16 Experimentonomen im actually contemplating wherever to use this case or actually selling it
18:17 Experimentonomen im not sure im actually willing to make all the holes needed, the large fan hole in the back and all the small holes in the front
18:19 Yrouel Experimentonomen too nice case for the project?
18:20 Experimentonomen i thought about using the cross lined paper to accurately mark out the center of each hole, but its just so many holes its gonna take forever to mark out and drill them all
18:20 Yrouel but wouldn't this be the case for basically any other case?
18:20 Experimentonomen and the fan hole cant really be cut out easily without a dremel tool or a small angle grinder
18:20 Yrouel at least for most of the holes you need
18:22 Experimentonomen and it feels kinda silly to put a 2x150 watt amp in a case like this as the original plan was to stuff a 2x500 watt mosfet amp in there
18:22 Yrouel oh
18:22 Yrouel well maybe you can reuse the case of a pc psu?
18:22 Experimentonomen but the 2x500W one is not gonna happen, the transformer place i used to work at never replied to my email
18:23 einball http://h9.abload.de/img/bildschirmfotoy7ykk.png \o/
18:23 Experimentonomen a pc psu case is way way way too small
18:23 einball university stuff - Built to survive a nuclear strike
18:23 Yrouel einball seismograph?
18:23 Electricguy crap.. the LiPos in my PDA are dying.. the back is buldging out and it smells like lithium gas..
18:23 Electricguy not good
18:23 Cprossu sweet tggmc_test is still with us!
18:24 Yrouel Electricguy get them out as soon as possible...
18:24 Electricguy yeah i know
18:24 Yrouel and
18:24 Yrouel if you can
18:24 einball Yrouel: response curve writer
18:24 Yrouel record the fireworks
18:24 Yrouel :P
18:24 mashpriborintorg some kind of paper output o'scope :p
18:24 Yrouel einball oh I don't know what it means
18:25 Yrouel ahhh
18:25 Yrouel that's clearer
18:25 Yrouel hack it in a lie detector :D
18:25 mashpriborintorg I had a russian made one... found a dead mouse inside while taking it apart
18:25 Experimentonomen paper output o'scope = plotter
18:26 einball ah yes .. plotter is the word I could not find
18:27 Electricguy oh wow.. this is the first leaking LiPo i've seen
18:27 tonsofpcs pics or it didn't happen
18:28 tonsofpcs :)
18:28 Experimentonomen Electricguy, there is actually no lithium metal in a LiPo battery, but rather a lithium salt, the rest is made like a capacitor, with the plates beeing graphite coated copper strips and plastic insulation
18:28 Electricguy hang on :)
18:28 tonsofpcs Cprossu: still hasn't made 24 hours.
18:29 Experimentonomen i took apart a dead 18650 cell once and it was made like that
18:29 Yrouel I still have one lithium metal battery
18:29 Experimentonomen there was also a alcohol'ish solution in there that evaporated off and smelled a bit like ether
18:30 Yrouel I still need to find the best technique to recover the lithium without oxidizing it
18:30 Yrouel or better with minum oxydation
18:30 Experimentonomen take the battery apart under oil
18:30 Yrouel yeah that's covered
18:30 Experimentonomen its messy though
18:30 Yrouel the problem is opening the canister cleanly enough to make the roll inse slip out
18:30 Yrouel without much tearing
18:31 Yrouel inside*
18:31 Yrouel unfortunately I don't have a tool like a dremel
18:31 Yrouel so...
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18:31 Experimentonomen i always wondered what kinda atmosphere they have in that romm in the "how its made" show where they turn a lithium ingot into a lithium strip, unless its the classic hollywood screwup where the metal was actually aluminum
18:32 Yrouel yeah
18:32 Yrouel that puzzled me too
18:32 Yrouel maybe is coated in someway
18:32 Experimentonomen that episode where they make that car battery
18:32 Yrouel yep
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18:33 Yrouel there must be oxygen in here because the operator where not wearing "space suits"
18:33 Electricguy__ here we go http://i.imgur.com/9CI8c.jpg
18:33 Experimentonomen maybe it isent a lithium basedf battery at all but rather just a dry lead acid battery
18:33 Electricguy__ the gunk that came out of it have dissolved the solder from the joints..
18:33 Yrouel lead acid are made in a different way
18:33 mashpriborintorg mmm. time delay bomb. get rid of it.
18:33 Electricguy__ yeah
18:33 Yrouel with sandwiches
18:33 Yrouel as single cells
18:34 Yrouel not rolls
18:34 Experimentonomen bulgebag!
18:34 Yrouel Experimentonomen I think is a coat of something
18:35 Experimentonomen i dont think so as the raw piece looked like a large metal cylinder fed into a extruder
18:35 Yrouel some less reactive alloy?
18:35 tonsofpcs Experimentonomen: I know sometimes "How it's made" will show a process and then note "this is exactly what they do to make $thing but we can't show you that because it's a lot hotter/other environment our cameras can't be in"
18:36 Experimentonomen unless its nitrogen that oxidizes lithium
18:36 Yrouel nope
18:36 Yrouel it's oxygen
18:37 Yrouel Experimentonomen lithium is reactive enough that if you try to melt it in an oxide based material
18:37 Yrouel such glass or some ceramic
18:37 Yrouel it will stript the oxygen from the silicon
18:37 Yrouel strip*
18:37 Yrouel in a spectacular way
18:38 Experimentonomen i think there acre special crucibles that use that to self heat withjout the need of a external heat source
18:40 Yrouel Experimentonomen I was thinking
18:40 Yrouel maybe in that production line
18:40 Yrouel they use some ventilation system
18:40 Yrouel that creates a modified atmosphere around the lithium
18:40 Yrouel like in tig soldering
18:40 Experimentonomen doubtful as the strip runs across the room
18:41 Yrouel in wich a spray of argon keeps that area oxygen free
18:44 Yrouel yay mythbusters special :D
18:44 Yrouel (latest episode)
18:44 Experimentonomen i quit watching mythbusters years ago
18:45 Yrouel why?
18:45 Experimentonomen because they just kept getting everything backwards
18:45 Experimentonomen remember that bedini m otor episode ?
18:45 Experimentonomen motor*
18:45 Yrouel not really
18:45 Yrouel give me some more details
18:46 Experimentonomen they used a large dc motor with a flywheel on it while a real bedini motor is like a roller skate wheel with 4 magnets in it and a bifilar coil on a screw
18:46 Yrouel (I have heare most of the episodes)
18:46 Yrouel here*
18:46 Yrouel you recall the myth?
18:47 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJpMX-GXcg
18:47 BotSteve Title: Mythbusters Free Energy "Busted" - YouTube
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18:49 Yrouel Experimentonomen ok I hope you're just telling that they got wrong the motor to test not that the actual motor would've worked
18:50 Electricguy__ the bedini thing?
18:50 Electricguy__ well yes, they did it extremely wrong..
18:50 Electricguy__ you can get a bedini motor to run some weeks at least.. but far from forever
18:54 Experimentonomen Yrouel, now look at youtube videos of actual bedini motors
18:55 Experimentonomen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCqIasGHg5c <-- and theres a real bedini motor
18:55 BotSteve Title: Bedini Motor Project Movie Clips 2011 - YouTube
18:56 Experimentonomen so u see the mythbusters got it all wrong
18:57 Yrouel yep I see
19:02 SparkyProjects Easiest way to explain energy in a machine is to go buy a few pounds (or Kg) of grapes, put them in a box
19:02 SparkyProjects Take out 1 grape per hour to represent friction, take out another grape an hour to represent heat loss due to resistance in the wires,
19:02 SparkyProjects Take out 1 or 2 grapes an hour if you are driving a load
19:02 SparkyProjects When the box is empty, your machine stops
19:10 Experimentonomen Electricguy, i think the world record for keeping a bedini motor running so far is around a year or something
19:10 Experimentonomen i saw a video a long time about about someone claiming something like that
19:11 lwq1996 .seen wannabe1987
19:11 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe1987 2.50 hours ago at 2012-05-21 16:41:35 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 19:11:22 UTC
19:12 Experimentonomen after that ep of mythbusters i pretty much lost interest, and it went pretty much downhill from there
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19:12 Experimentonomen like the scaled down whirlpool, make it smaller and ocf it would have to go faster, not slower
19:16 Experimentonomen and the mythwoofer, they completely forgot the lower suspension
19:17 Experimentonomen and the brown note, ofc it dident work cuz the did it OUTDOORS
19:18 Experimentonomen and with way too small speakers
19:19 Experimentonomen so yeh i quit watchin that shit
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19:30 BitViper mythbusters always does stuff like that wrong on purpose so as not to encourage people, it drives me batty because most people take the mythbusters stuff as fact
19:32 astro73|roam i thought you pretty much watched mythbusters for explosions?
19:32 astro73|roam explosions and destruction
19:32 BitViper well, that and kari :)
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19:37 Experimentonomen kari was just annoying
19:40 CaptainNiobe morning, all
19:40 * lwq1996 hugs CaptainNiobe
19:41 CaptainNiobe hey lee *hugs back*
19:41 * lwq1996 is depressed
19:41 CaptainNiobe why?
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19:44 Chipguy even ning
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19:56 Experimentonomen g'evenin chippeh
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19:59 Carvagon mornin captain
20:01 CaptainNiobe morning, Carvagon :) how are you?
20:01 Carvagon doin alright how about yourself
20:01 Experimentonomen blegh i really thought this lm3886 chipamp was gonna be alot easier to sell :/ im advertizing it on two forums and so far not a single response :/
20:02 CaptainNiobe not bad... happy... i gots a new machine that's sooo much better than my last one (and has 7, not xp :P)
20:02 BitViper CaptainNiobe : shoulda gone linux =P
20:03 Carvagon haha never messed with linux so i cant compare but at least its a new machine
20:03 CaptainNiobe BitViper, i doubt linux will run most of my games?
20:03 tonsofpcs what games?
20:03 Experimentonomen linux is too friggin hard to use :/
20:03 BitViper hehe likely, which is sorta why i still have winblows as my main too, some of the stuff i use doesnt have a [decent] linux equivelant
20:03 tonsofpcs most opengl games run fine either natively or with wine...
20:04 Monkeh Experimentonomen: It really isn't.
20:04 CaptainNiobe tonsofpcs: rollercoaster tycoon 3, the sims 2, the sims 2, minecraft (which i'm sure DOES run on linux), simcity 4, zoo tycoon... forget what else lol
20:05 CaptainNiobe the sims 3*
20:05 Monkeh I'd say those will all work
20:06 Yrouel but why mess with a sub-optimum solution when you can play the games directly on windows?
20:06 Experimentonomen i've tried linux, it was a real pain in the ass to use :/
20:07 Yrouel it really depends on what you want to do
20:07 Yrouel games is a no no
20:07 Yrouel video editing another no no
20:07 Yrouel audio/music production another one
20:07 Monkeh ...
20:07 Experimentonomen like u dont got on the browser and click a download link but rather go into command like and type something like sudo get download blah blah blah
20:07 Yrouel graphic editic no again
20:07 Monkeh Actually, there's a lot of professional usage of Linux for music production..
20:08 Yrouel don't get me wrong tho
20:08 Yrouel technically you can do all the above
20:08 Monkeh Experimentonomen: ....
20:08 BitViper Experimentonomen : ?????
20:08 Yrouel but all with sub standard tools almost always not much refined
20:09 Yrouel but hey they're free what you can pretend...
20:09 Yrouel Monkeh linux have serious issues about latency and stuff like that
20:10 Monkeh Yrouel: .... Linux is capable of being vastly lower latency than OS X or Windows.
20:10 CaptainNiobe linux will have its own set of pros and cons instead of all the windows ones... it's like antivirus selection, you ask which is the best antivirus and people are going to give different answer, and 90% of it is just personal preference opinions. you use what you're used to, and recommend it.
20:10 CaptainNiobe right?
20:10 Yrouel lol os x?
20:10 Experimentonomen linux for me was so hard to use that i nearly celebrated with a birthday cake when i figured out how to get x-chat running
20:10 Monkeh CaptainNiobe: Pretty much, but certain people insist on branding Linux as a toy and slating it at every opportunity.
20:10 Yrouel os x is the best system in which you can do audio
20:10 Monkeh Experimentonomen: And what did you use, exactly? Ubuntu?
20:11 Yrouel Experimentonomen oh god what poor distro you used?
20:11 Experimentonomen 0ubunty version 5.10 for your pc
20:11 BitViper *facedesk*
20:11 Monkeh Right, so you picked the easiest, most Windows-like distro and still couldn't figure out how to use it.
20:11 Yrouel CaptainNiobe for antivirus there is some objective methods to evaluate them
20:11 Experimentonomen and it wanned nothing to do with my printer, a hp laserjet 1018
20:11 Monkeh That says something, and not about Linux.
20:12 Yrouel like the accuracy etc
20:12 Experimentonomen a friend gave me this thing
20:12 BitViper Experimentonomen : had he configured it to his liking already, or was it a fresh install
20:12 Yrouel CaptainNiobe afaik actually the best AV seems to be microsoft security essentials
20:12 Experimentonomen i installed it, he just gave me the cd
20:12 Yrouel both from the accuracy point of view and the resource usage
20:13 Monkeh Yrouel: I wouldn't say it's the best, but nor would I brand anything else as the best.
20:13 CaptainNiobe idk, Yrouel... i used to use avg... i STILL think it's a decent antivirus, but no longer recommend it due to it being a resource hog... i moved to mse, now i have avast, first-time user, so we'll see how it goes...
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20:13 BitViper the best, and imo only truely secure AV system is unplugging -every- cable from the computer
20:13 Yrouel CaptainNiobe I ditched avg when they zapped by mistake an important dll of windows
20:14 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Laserjet 1018 is fully supported. 5.10 is a bit old, though, so I have no idea what it did or did not support.
20:14 CaptainNiobe lol... i didn't get that lol
20:14 Yrouel avira is a little better once you deactivate its nagging capabilities
20:14 Yrouel but now with ms SE that problem too is gone
20:14 Monkeh Experimentonomen: You are aware you're basing everything on 7 year old software?
20:14 Experimentonomen and no i dident ask for it, i was just about to go home when he handed me this paper thing with two cds in it and "ubuntu" printed on it and went like "here take this" and then told some lies how he was part of the dev team and what not
20:15 Monkeh Ahh, it didn't work for you, clearly he's a liar.
20:15 BitViper so you may also have been using a pre-release version
20:15 Yrouel CaptainNiobe another nice thing about MS SE is that it's integrated with windows update
20:15 Monkeh BitViper: Nah, I know the copy he's talking about, they were official media releases.
20:15 Experimentonomen and get this, none of the command line stuff worked, nothing happened
20:16 CaptainNiobe i know... but i'll give avast a fair shot before i say yay or nay to it
20:16 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Yeah.. I don't get that. You were doing it wrong.
20:16 Experimentonomen there are two cds, one live dc and one install cd
20:19 Experimentonomen and i guess that at the time, my printer was just simply not yet supported, which would explain why this ubuntu crap dident even see it as a devices getting plugged in
20:19 Monkeh Possibly, possibly not.
20:19 CaptainNiobe Experimentonomen, i may be wrong, but i believe the live disc is the one you can use to run the o/s from the disc itself - no hard drive required. :)
20:19 Monkeh It's also possible you just didn't have the appropriate software installed.
20:20 Experimentonomen CaptainNiobe, i did that at first but as nothing othher linux users toild me dident work, i installed it and it was no difference
20:21 Experimentonomen somehow though i did manage to get internet and irc working
20:21 CaptainNiobe what's your boot device sequence, ex? cd first, or hard drive first?
20:21 Monkeh CaptainNiobe: This is seven year old crap he's bringing up anyway.
20:22 Experimentonomen i dont rmember, cuz i had to play around with it alot when i built my new machine cuz i was having problems
20:22 CaptainNiobe that's shouldn't matter too much though, should it Monkeh? if he's trying to run the livecd? (not sure)
20:22 Yrouel Experimentonomen here is the drill: linux problem -> is your fault, windows problem -> is windows fault, os x problem -> is apple fault and you're dumb
20:23 Experimentonomen i havent touched linux in 7 years, today is the first time im touching this ubunti cd in 7 years
20:23 Yrouel in other words linux is perfect and somehow the problem is not it
20:23 Experimentonomen just cuz u asked what version it was
20:23 Yrouel but the user or something else
20:23 Yrouel maybe some strange planet allineament...
20:23 BitViper Experimentonomen : go download the latest ubuntu, or at least 9+
20:23 Experimentonomen Electricguy will say the same thing as i do, that linux is a user unfriendly piece of crap
20:24 Electricguy yer
20:25 Experimentonomen though linux uswrs say the same thing about windows but thats cuz they only know linux so windows is as strange and usder unfriendly to them as linux is to me
20:25 BitViper i hear stuff like this from a lot of people, yet ive had two different instances where I have installed linux for people who could barely use windows and they managed to figure out ON THEIR OWN how to do everything they needed, even finding and installing additional software themselves
20:25 Monkeh Experimentonomen: Also, you're aware that that copy of Ubuntu is from 2005, and your printer is from 2007?
20:26 Experimentonomen especially since i've been on windows and windows only since i was born, so OFC linux appears user unfriendly to me since its a completely different user interface
20:26 Monkeh Experimentonomen: And actually no, I don't only know Linux. However, from the viewpoint of osmeone who has half a clue how a computer works, Windows _is_ crap.
20:26 Yrouel but at least you can play latest games with it
20:26 Yrouel :D
20:26 Monkeh Experimentonomen: It's NOT that different if you stick to the GUI, and it's _not_ hard to learn to use a CLI.
20:27 Yrouel Monkeh the problem is that the gui is crappy so you can't simply stick to it
20:27 Yrouel because is inadequate
20:27 Monkeh Yrouel: Uhm.. no.
20:27 Yrouel uhm yes
20:27 Monkeh It's quite adequate to do anything you do with Windows.
20:27 Yrouel look at the tutorials around
20:27 Monkeh I use the CLI because it allows me to do _more_ than Windows allows you to do.
20:27 Experimentonomen if i had a seconf computer, iäd install this ubuntu crap again and do like a hour or two of live stream every day where u could see me trying to use this ubuntu crap
20:27 Yrouel very fiew includes screenshots of guis
20:27 Monkeh Yrouel: Why would I look at a tutorial?
20:28 Yrouel most of them are step by step shell command
20:28 Electricguy what is Linux really good for? :P you can barely play games, it got shitty HW support, you can't really do anything like music/video production or any other stuff like that.. but DUDE! it's damn safe! XD
20:28 Monkeh They're written by idiots for idiots in most cases.
20:28 * BitViper isnt sure which is worse ... the windows/linux arguments, or the windows/mac arguments
20:28 Monkeh I am not an idiot and I do not need a picture by picture guide to using my OS..
20:28 Electricguy gongratz! you got a very safe computer that you can do barely anything with.. XD
20:28 Yrouel indeed that's why is more important to notice that fiew involves guis
20:28 Monkeh Electricguy: It's got perfectly good hardware support in most cases.
20:28 Electricguy it's like a Mac with more password stuff :P
20:28 Yrouel to get things done you have to use the shell
20:28 Electricguy in MOST cases...
20:28 Monkeh Electricguy: Only people who don't use Linux think it has poor hardware support.
20:28 * BitViper shakes his head
20:29 Seroster_ BatSteve-Away!
20:29 * Electricguy sticks to windooze as it really WORKS.. amazing
20:29 Yrouel few*
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20:29 Monkeh Electricguy: You can do far more with Linux than you think and you rely on Linux every day.
20:30 Electricguy yes.. but you have to be a half hacker to do fun stuff...
20:30 Yrouel I personally chose os x years ago and I reached some sort of peace
20:30 Monkeh Electricguy: What fun stuff?
20:30 * Electricguy types monkeh's nick back as monkeh really can't stop to type Electricguys nick all the time
20:30 Monkeh Fine, I don't care.
20:30 Yrouel I do whatever I want and what I cannot do I do it anyway on windows wither virtualized or natively booted
20:31 Yrouel and I'm perfectly ok
20:31 Monkeh It's hilighting, it's not magically annoying to know who a message is addressed to.
20:31 Electricguy it's highlighting and "plopping" all the time
20:31 Monkeh So turn the pointless sounds off
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20:31 Monkeh Or better yet, make them not repeat more often than x times a minute.
20:31 Electricguy i dO have IRC open on a screen like all the time.. i'm not blind :)
20:32 Monkeh Wait, sorry, you don't know how to do that, because all you know how to use is the boxes presented to you by someone else.
20:32 Electricguy sounds are good when people highlight the nick once in a while
20:32 Electricguy but all the time is a bit annoying
20:32 Yrouel Electricguy as I said linux is perfect so must be your fault or something else ;)
20:33 Monkeh It's not perfect by far
20:33 Monkeh But most issues people run into are their own fault.
20:33 Experimentonomen Yrouel, perhaps the stuff u do is only available for linux ?
20:33 Monkeh Like 'my printer doesn't work', because you're using an OS TWO YEARS OLDER THAN YOUR PRINTER!
20:33 Yrouel I was sarcastic eh
20:33 Electricguy possibly the computer i tried Linsux on.. one thing that was just silly was that the GPU worked better WITHOUT the graphics driver! yeyy! -,- GOOD WORK ON THE DRIVER, PAL!
20:33 Monkeh And what GPU was that?
20:34 Monkeh What driver version were you using?
20:34 Electricguy no idea..
20:34 Monkeh Do you know whether 2D accel was enabled?
20:34 Electricguy it was a Compaq DeskPro EN... (yes i know it's a crap computer)
20:34 Yrouel I found linux one of the crappiest desktop oses around, perfect for server, embedded or other specialized uses but almost totally useles as general purpose desktop os
20:34 Electricguy tried both Lubuntu and Xubuntu..
20:34 Yrouel not because of technical problems
20:34 Electricguy SHIT distros fyi...
20:34 Monkeh Electricguy: Which are the same thing..
20:34 Yrouel but simply because they don't care
20:35 Yrouel to make decent interfaces
20:35 Yrouel and facilitate the life of the user
20:35 Monkeh Yrouel: Actually, many do. But strangely enough, they may have different ideas about how to use a computer than you, Apple, and Microsoft.
20:36 Electricguy no no no! Linsux IS the _PERFECT_ OS! there are no flaws with it AT ALL.
20:37 Experimentonomen also i linux, i could not find a screen resolution option anywhere either
20:37 Monkeh I love how quickly you resort to that level of argument..
20:38 * Monkeh wanders into system > preferences > monitors and gasps as he has options to adjust the resolution, rotation, location, etc of his two displays
20:39 JA12 I have it in applications - system - nvidia server settings
20:39 * Electricguy right clicks on the desktop, clicks nVidia controlpanel and get even more GPU magic :3
20:39 Monkeh Electricguy: Well then, now we've seen three ways to access display controls on two different OSes. All work just as well.
20:40 Monkeh I don't quite have the number of options either of you get with my setup, and guess what, none of them are useful anyway.
20:40 Electricguy It depends on what you want to do with the GPU :)
20:40 Monkeh Precisely.
20:40 Monkeh In my case, I want accelerated 2D on two displays.
20:40 Monkeh No frills.
20:40 Electricguy the settings use to be there cause some people may find them useful
20:40 Experimentonomen the question is, does a good simulation program such as LTspice switchercad even exist for linux ?
20:40 Monkeh It works perfectly.
20:41 Monkeh Experimentonomen: I honestly haven't played with them to know if they're any good or not.
20:41 JA12 my mom is going laugh when I tell her about this conversation =)
20:41 BatSteve this seems interesting
20:41 Monkeh Apparently runs fine under wine.
20:41 BatSteve http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/interesting-thread.gif
20:41 BatSteve nope
20:41 JA12 she's 54 and has been using linux desktop for years now
20:41 Electricguy JA12, o....key? o_O
20:41 Monkeh BatSteve: Just two people with no recent, relevant knowledge arguing that Linux is totally useless to everyone.
20:41 Yrouel JA12 what she do?
20:42 Yrouel because I have an uncle who uses linux
20:42 Yrouel but just to browse the web
20:42 JA12 basic stuff. surfs the web, office work, internet radio, email
20:43 Yrouel indeed
20:43 Monkeh Wow, she uses it as a general purpose desktop OS?
20:43 Monkeh Can't work for her.
20:43 JA12 =)
20:43 Experimentonomen bbiab this linux shitstorm made me sick
20:43 Yrouel try to connect a tv dongle
20:43 Yrouel or something like that
20:43 Yrouel to start the pain...
20:43 * Electricguy noms on some cheesy snax
20:44 JA12 she doesn't need that
20:44 Monkeh Yrouel: I have four totally different TV tuners. They all work under Linux.
20:44 Yrouel (I know that in the usa ther is cable tv)
20:44 JA12 she has a internet tv
20:44 JA12 box
20:44 JA12 which runs linux btw
20:44 Yrouel Monkeh I tried one which where supposed to work and it didn't
20:44 Monkeh Good for you, I've had plenty of stuff not work under Windows too!
20:45 Yrouel JA12 yeah as I said before for embedded systems etc is perfect
20:45 JA12 there's no perfect desktop os
20:45 Monkeh I wouldn't say it's perfect for embedded systems.
20:45 Monkeh It's good for some. Not others.
20:45 JA12 there are hw problems in windows too
20:45 Monkeh It has many uses for many people in many places. Just like Windows, OS X, VxWorks, and dozens of other operating systems.
20:45 Yrouel yeah obviusly some needs special requiremens
20:45 Monkeh Linux is no different.
20:45 Monkeh It has technical flaws, just like Windows, and OS X.
20:45 JA12 if the manufacturer doesn't support windows 7 or 8 there's nothing you can do
20:46 Yrouel Monkeh it depends how you can do things the integration between various parts of the system/apps etc
20:47 Yrouel and consistency and integrations are words not in the linux dictionary
20:47 Monkeh It has a number of _huge_ advantages for people like me, those of us who know what we're doing, as well as others who have a predisposition towards open source software, and many more who just find it works absolutely fine for them and don't _care_ who makes it.
20:48 Monkeh Yrouel: It has a lot more consistency than you think, and as for integration, that's not always a good thing.
20:48 Monkeh Windows is over-integrated to a crippling level.
20:48 Yrouel oh whell some people don't care about the licence of the software of the idealisms behind its creation
20:48 Yrouel some people just want software that work
20:48 Monkeh Yrouel: Indeed, and in many cases it works for them too.
20:48 Monkeh But you ignored that I just made that exact point because it doesn't fit your argument
20:49 Yrouel Monkeh indeed I don't use windows except to launch games literally
20:49 Yrouel I found peace with os x
20:49 Monkeh Good for you.
20:50 Monkeh Personally I find OS X to be utterly horrible to use, and I dislike Apple and their opinion of their users in a manner I find impossible to express in a remotely civil manner
20:50 Monkeh But hey, it works for other people, they're free to use it. It even has its good points!
20:50 Monkeh I don't go around calling it complete crap and useless to anyone because I don't like it and don't know anything about it.
20:51 Yrouel there are certain aspects of usability that can objectively measured
20:51 Monkeh Perhaps.
20:51 tonsofpcs which is what xerox did with PARC...
20:52 Yrouel Monkeh a suite like ilife isn't available on linux afaik
20:52 tonsofpcs aside: while "I can only get X software for Y OS" may be a good reason to buy Y OS, it doesn't mean that Y OS is any good.
20:52 Yrouel maybe there are bits and pieces
20:52 Yrouel but not so integrated toegether
20:52 Monkeh Yrouel: No, there may not be.
20:52 tonsofpcs wtf is iLife?
20:52 Monkeh Do I care? Not really.
20:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: A cheap, amateur collection of WYSIWYG tools, afaik.
20:53 Yrouel is an example of what I meant by integration of apps with other apps and the system
20:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Y'know, an Apple specialty.
20:53 tonsofpcs like open office?
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20:53 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, movie editor and the like
20:53 tonsofpcs oh, there is no decent all-around video editor for linux.
20:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Basic video, audio, and web editor crap
20:54 Monkeh Oh, and photo.
20:54 tonsofpcs well, not for free / consumer price, at least
20:54 Monkeh Indeed, there probably isn't.
20:54 tonsofpcs there's about 12 projects to make one...
20:54 Monkeh That's a very specialist tool which is nearly impossible to create without a budget, and a large one at that.
20:54 JA12 integration like DE and social apps, sound apps?
20:55 tonsofpcs I mean, Smoke is available for linux, but who would buy smoke for consumer use?
20:55 JA12 or integrating spotify
20:55 tonsofpcs (it's $4-5k)
20:55 Monkeh Gotta love people making comparisons of open source software developed in free time and professional packages which cost thousands for a one-seat license.
20:55 Yrouel no integration means for example that when making a video you can access the photo library the playlists and mix them maybe with the video captured with the camera
20:55 Yrouel something like that
20:55 Yrouel is just an example
20:56 Monkeh .. that's entirely possible to do on Linux, but nobody has done it because there's not a lot of demand.
20:56 tonsofpcs my standard response to "what is a good video editor for linux" in one of the channels I'm in on this network is "no, not really."  I suppose I could change that to "I hear Autodesk Smoke is good"
20:56 Monkeh Once again, comparing free software with software developed with a budget.
20:56 Yrouel ohhh
20:56 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Fair answer.
20:56 Yrouel here we are
20:57 Yrouel the final answer to all arguments
20:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And on the flipside, "what's a good CLI interface for Windows?" "There isn't one."
20:57 Yrouel it's free so you can't criticize
20:57 Monkeh Yrouel: I did not say that.
20:57 tonsofpcs Monkeh: putty :)
20:57 tonsofpcs [and a different machine to access]
20:57 JA12 Monkeh: actually, quite a lot linux stuff gets developed by direct funding of companies
20:57 Monkeh tonsofpcs: heh.
20:57 JA12 *from
20:57 Monkeh JA12: Funding of a handful of developers, perhaps, yes.
20:57 tonsofpcs Yrouel: actually, there are some integrated things you can do... also a lot of those integrated socialy stuff is all moving to server-based json anyway
20:58 Monkeh JA12: Nothing to compare with the budget and development teams for professional software.
20:58 tonsofpcs anyway, I'm done terminating these cables at my desk, back to plugging things in...
20:58 Monkeh Yrouel: You can criticise all you like, but trying to make a serious comparison of relatively unimportant features like that is just silly.
20:58 Yrouel I have to exterminate a single super annoying mosquito in my room
20:59 Yrouel Monkeh was just an example to get the idea of what I meant
20:59 Yrouel in os x there are a ton of little things
20:59 Monkeh I know, and that level of integration actually exists in various places.
20:59 Yrouel that toegether make the system more enjoyabe to use
20:59 Monkeh Yrouel: Yep, TONS of little things if you're willing to be limited to what they give you..
20:59 Monkeh Ahahah, enjoyable, that's definitely not a word I can apply to OS X..
20:59 Yrouel Monkeh you forgot that in the end is a unix
20:59 Yrouel a real unix
21:00 tonsofpcs Yrouel: back to what I typed before I saw what you said:
21:00 Yrouel and thus I can do whatever I want
21:00 tonsofpcs aside: while "I can only get X software for Y OS" may be a good reason to buy Y OS, it doesn't mean that Y OS is any good.
21:00 Monkeh A 'real' unix with a load of closed crap and a huge number of things I have to tweak at great time expense to get something which still pales in comparison to my daily desktop..
21:00 Yrouel I don't care about closed source
21:00 JA12 I don't mind os x but I dislike apple and their made up limitations
21:00 Yrouel as I don't care about open source
21:01 Yrouel I care about software that do what I want to do
21:01 Monkeh Yrouel: Did I say anything about open vs closed source?
21:01 Monkeh And no, you cannot do whatever you want with OS X.
21:01 Yrouel no but you said closed crap
21:02 Yrouel as it was crap because of it was closed
21:02 Yrouel there are open source crap too...
21:02 Monkeh Yep, a load of crap which is closed source and integrated so I can't get rid of it.
21:02 Monkeh OS X is full of it.
21:02 Yrouel that's why I find mostly irrelevant the licence
21:02 Monkeh I don't really care about license.
21:02 tonsofpcs Monkeh: sure you can.  you can strip it back to darwin and build it up from there with KDE, etc....
21:02 Monkeh I'll use open over closed on principle _if_ if can do what I need.
21:02 tonsofpcs it's just silly :-p
21:02 Monkeh But at the end of the day, I use what works.
21:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And that's not OS X, that's Darwin.
21:03 Yrouel tonsofpcs I simply don't use the things I don't like
21:03 Yrouel and/or I disable them
21:03 Yrouel and/or I replace them
21:03 Yrouel like quicktime player x
21:03 Yrouel which I hate
21:04 Yrouel I simply deleted it
21:04 Monkeh Yrouel: And by the time I've finished doing that with OS X, I may as well just use the Linux system I've cultivated for years.
21:04 Monkeh Because as tonsofpcs just suggested, I'd be stripping back to darwin and building up.
21:07 Monkeh Here's a Linux tale I'm sure Experimentonomen and Electricguy will be interested in.
21:07 Electricguy not now.. watching this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLmAnzi_52k&amp;feature=related
21:07 Monkeh Due to my distro choice, I had to build up a custom toolchain for avr recently.
21:07 BotSteve Title: The Ten Worst Songs of 2011 - YouTube
21:07 Electricguy quite amusing
21:07 Monkeh It was a minor pain.
21:08 Monkeh But it was a hundred times easier than doing it on Windows would have been
21:08 Monkeh (no different to OS X, fyi, it's close enough to a real OS to make this easy)
21:08 Monkeh And the end result is a more efficient toolchain than the Arduino IDE provides.
21:08 Monkeh Significantly so.
21:08 Monkeh With room for optimisation if I cared enough.
21:09 JA12 Monkeh: arch?
21:09 Monkeh TLDR; Linux is easier for Arduino development than Windows.
21:09 Monkeh JA12: x86_64
21:09 JA12 k
21:09 Monkeh JA12: Not overly relevant, process would be the same for x86, sparc, ia64..
21:10 Monkeh ppc and ppc64, too..
21:10 Monkeh Yeah, got all those sitting here.
21:10 Monkeh Hell, arm and mips too, but one's a little restrictive and the others are a tad slow.
21:10 JA12 Monkeh: yeah I just took a wild guess :)
21:10 Monkeh JA12: Oh, I thought you mean CPU arch, not Arch the distro.
21:10 Monkeh JA12: No, not Arch.
21:11 Yrouel Monkeh if you used avrgcc is the same as arduino ide
21:11 Yrouel maybe different version tho
21:11 Monkeh Capitalisation is important, okay?
21:11 Monkeh Yrouel: No, I did not use avrgcc, and it's not the same as the Arduino IDE.
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21:12 Monkeh For starters it's rather a few _years_ more recent..
21:13 Yrouel what suite you used?
21:13 Monkeh Unpatched GCC.
21:14 Yrouel but avr-gcc isn't the name that gcc get to not confuse it with the regular one to compile fror x86?
21:15 Yrouel or you recompiled gcc for all the targets you need?
21:15 Monkeh Yrouel: avr- is the prefixed used by default, avrgcc is not the same as avr-gcc
21:15 Monkeh And no, I didn't mess with my existing toolchain, that's silly.
21:15 Yrouel well sorry I meant avr-gcc
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21:16 Monkeh Yrouel: And again, what's provided with the Arduino IDE is not just plain GCC.
21:16 Monkeh And it's _old_
21:16 detrix Hello Zozo.
21:17 Yrouel Monkeh ok
21:17 Yrouel unfortunately the developement of the ide is slow
21:17 Yrouel too slow I think
21:17 Yrouel I don't like the ide too anyway
21:17 Monkeh Yrouel: It's not even anything to do with the IDE, merely what they ship.
21:18 Monkeh Their supplied toolchain is ancient, as are the 'updated' versions available
21:18 Monkeh Building your own is horrificly painful.
21:18 Monkeh At least on Windows.
21:19 Yrouel (I turned on the insecticide the mosquito is struggling as it diffuses in the room)
21:19 JA12 I've used code::blocks as an IDE for coding avr
21:19 Monkeh But I'm sure Electricguy and Experimentonomen would immediately brand it as impossible to do on Linux as it requires more than pushing the magic button.
21:19 Yrouel Monkeh I once updated the toolchan inside the ide app
21:19 Yrouel but is a pita
21:19 Electricguy :)
21:19 Yrouel because the symlinks
21:20 Monkeh Yrouel: It's drop-in if you get it precompiled. Unfortunately, that's still two years out of date.
21:20 Yrouel not really drop in
21:20 Yrouel the symnlinks are different
21:20 Yrouel needed to be adjusted
21:21 Monkeh It's Windows. It doesn't (consistently) have symlinks.
21:21 Yrouel I'm talking about os x
21:21 Yrouel I don 't use windows...
21:21 Monkeh Fair enough.
21:21 Monkeh Again, on OS X it's really no different to on Linux.
21:22 astro73|roam NTFS and windows amuses me...
21:22 Yrouel yep those things are almnost the same
21:22 Monkeh Build a toolchain, tell system where toolchain is, use toolchain.
21:22 Yrouel alnost*
21:22 astro73|roam did you know that NTFS is more permissible and featured than Win32?
21:22 Monkeh Unless of course you're using some silly OS X 'integration'
21:22 Monkeh At which point it becomes non-Unix-like and the rules drastically change for the worse.
21:23 astro73|roam if you plug an NTFS drive into non-windows, you can create file names that are illegal in windows
21:23 Yrouel I wish that xcode could be used but unfortunately it's not really possible without ugly hacks
21:23 Monkeh astro73|roam: NTFS is almost a decent filesystem.
21:23 Electricguy NTFS must have some relation to NTSC.. as NTSC stands for Never The Same Colors.. NTFS gotta be Never The Same Fucking Sound.. so possibly a shitty audio codec to go wityh the shitty video format :)
21:23 astro73|roam in the process, creating files that are untouchable
21:24 Monkeh astro73|roam: It's a shame the Windows implementation is so lacking and it's too complex to write another implementation without proper code access and documentation, really.
21:24 astro73|roam Monkeh: do you mean like the linux implementation of NTFS?
21:24 astro73|roam or do you mean like ReactOS?
21:24 JA12 Monkeh: windows has symlinks (shortcuts) and hard links
21:24 Monkeh Which doesn't really work right?  Yes, that.
21:25 JA12 "On Microsoft Windows, hard links can be created using the mklink /H command on Windows NT 6.0 and later systems (such as Windows Vista), and in earlier systems (Windows XP, Windows Server 2003) using fsutil.exe hardlink create."
21:25 Monkeh JA12: Again, it does not have symlinks in the unix sense except on Vista/7 based systems.
21:25 astro73|roam JA12: windows has real symlinks, but no UI to use them (by default)
21:25 Yrouel paragon ntfs works just fine...
21:25 Monkeh JA12: It does not consistently have symlinks.
21:25 astro73|roam shortcuts are like .desktop files on linux
21:25 astro73|roam Monkeh: afaik, the linux NTFS tools are pretty much complete
21:25 JA12 yeah, they're not the same as in posix
21:26 JA12 I know it's ms we are talking about
21:26 astro73|roam .w NTFS symbolic link
21:26 BotSteve "An NTFS symbolic link (symlink) is a filesystem object in the NTFS filesystem that points to another filesystem object." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link
21:26 Monkeh JA12: Well, the Vista7 implementation is very similar to POSIX symlinks.
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21:26 Monkeh JA12: But previous systems did not have that. Shortcuts are not the same thing.
21:28 astro73|roam any other misinformation we need to debunk?
21:29 Monkeh astro73|roam: I don't know, as Experimentonomen
21:29 Monkeh er, ask
21:29 JA12 well ok, I would've believed with less. it was wrong to mention shortcuts in the same context
21:29 JA12 happy now?
21:30 astro73|roam btw, pre-vista had a partial symlink called junction points, only good on directories
21:30 Yrouel Monkeh  any chance you tested the possibility to flash a bootloader (or any other program) to the arduino using the bitbang mode of the ftdi chip on board with avrdude compiled with libftdi etc?
21:30 Monkeh astro73|roam: Need I mention the qualfier 'consistently' again?
21:31 Monkeh Yrouel: My Arduino does not have an FTDI chip.
21:31 Yrouel doh
21:31 JA12 uno
21:31 Yrouel you have the new uno one do you?
21:31 Monkeh Indeed, I have an Uno. Ish.
21:31 Yrouel mine is a duemilanove
21:32 Monkeh Mine is human-pronouncable.
21:32 Yrouel I got the bitbanging working once with libftd2xx (the proprietary direct driver) but now with the libftdi version doesn't seem to work anymore
21:32 Yrouel Monkeh hehe for me as italian is perfectly pronunciable
21:32 Yrouel lol
21:32 Monkeh My condolences for your condition.
21:33 Yrouel lol
21:33 Monkeh :)
21:33 Yrouel btw duemilanove is 2009
21:33 Monkeh I'm aware
21:33 JA12 Yrouel: does your arduino say "Made in here"? =)
21:33 Yrouel hahaha no
21:33 Yrouel :P
21:34 Monkeh Mine doesn't say made in anywhere :P
21:34 Monkeh That silkscreen is expensive.
21:36 Yrouel argh I need a new desoldering tin sucker
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21:37 Seroster_ This heat is agony
21:38 SparkyProjects You mean it's reached 10 C ?
21:39 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Probably only 9.
21:39 Monkeh They're very sensitive up there
21:39 JA12 SparkyProjects: no it was 26°C in Sweden today (according to Electricguy or Experimentonomen)
21:39 JA12 24°C here
21:39 Electricguy yep
21:40 SparkyProjects heh, surprsingly we have had about 2 weeks of warm dry weather, and this is Wales :D
21:40 Yrouel it's really nice to read °C instead of °F
21:40 * Electricguy pulls over about 1000 files to his portable MilkyTracker box
21:40 SparkyProjects C makes more sense that that F stuff :P
21:40 Yrouel here is cold and rainy
21:40 Yrouel and windy
21:42 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Aye, my mate is happy. More rain is not what he needs when he doesn't have a roof :D
21:42 SparkyProjects That's what tarp is for :P
21:42 Monkeh The tarp went the same way as the roof.
21:43 SparkyProjects tornado ?
21:43 Monkeh Just obscene winds.
21:45 JA12 at least it wasn't the water heater, mythbusters style
21:45 Sgt_Lemming just got up here, perfectly clear blue sky
21:45 Sgt_Lemming not amazingly warm though
21:45 Sgt_Lemming .weather ybbn
21:46 BotSteve Scattered, 16℃, 1025mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - YBBN 21:30Z
21:51 Seroster_ SparkyProjects, 28c inside now, was 32 earlier today
21:51 Seroster_ Did I mention I am a viking and I ride my bike in -20c snowstorms?
21:52 Yrouel I shivered just reading that
21:52 Thermoelectric .weather Cairns
21:52 BotSteve Cloudy, 21℃, 1016mb, In the vicinity: Showers, Gentle breeze 10kt (↑) - YBCS, 21:30Z
21:52 Yrouel I'm the opposite
21:52 Yrouel I came from a warm island
21:52 Seroster_ Yrouel, One hour in -20 is fine, if there isn't any windchill and you are doing light work, as in biking or walking.
21:53 Seroster_ If shoveling snow I can be outside in -20 for up to four hours without feeling cold, and my skin is still warm to the touch.
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21:54 JA12 you would think that after such warm winter the heat wouldn't feel as bad but yeah it does
21:54 Yrouel Seroster_ yeah I assume that also you have appropriate clothing
21:55 Seroster_ Yrouel, Long pants, tshirt and gloves?
21:55 Sgt_Lemming Seroster_, that doesn't make you a viking
21:55 Yrouel tshirt on -20°C?
21:55 Seroster_ No, it makes me retarded. xD
21:55 Seroster_ Yes, Yrouel.
21:55 Yrouel wow
21:55 Sgt_Lemming going swimming in the nud in -20°c would make you a viking
21:55 Seroster_ Someone messed up while installing my thermostat.
21:56 Seroster_ Sgt_Lemming, Swimming clothed in -20c is annoying
21:56 Sgt_Lemming nud == no clothes
21:56 Seroster_ But I have been skinny dipping in ice water, but I'm mostly just bored by uit
21:56 Yrouel Seroster_ so basically if you'd tried the test with an hand in an ice bath you'd probably resist until all the ice melted
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21:57 Seroster__ Yrouel, Yes.
21:58 Seroster__ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyUf7r_9yNs He got nuthin on me xD
21:58 BotSteve Title: On thin sea ice 2 - YouTube
21:59 Seroster__ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XvQzUQGC_0&amp;feature=fvwrel
21:59 BotSteve Title: Winter morning in Norway (on thin sea ice 3) - YouTube
22:00 Yrouel lol
22:00 Yrouel funny guy
22:01 Yrouel btw Moose turning something in the live stream
22:02 JA12 ohh I was so sure that he drives his volvo in the water =)
22:03 Seroster__ lol
22:05 Electricguy lol! win :D http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/535292_358024124252845_176890359032890_880722_1736111187_n.jpg
22:06 Sgt_Lemming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAupJzH31tc
22:06 BotSteve Title: Brinicle, Underwater Icicle "Finger of Death" - YouTube
22:08 Seroster__ Yeah thats awesome Sgt_Lemming
22:09 CaptainNiobe hey, who's daniel waxmonksy on facebook?
22:09 Experimentonomen prolly some noob
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22:10 wannabe1987 GERMS
22:10 CaptainNiobe whoever he is, he wants to add my birthday to his mycalendar
22:10 Yrouel Sgt_Lemming wow
22:10 wannabe1987 who?
22:10 wannabe1987 hi niobe!
22:10 CaptainNiobe someone named daniel waxmonsky
22:10 CaptainNiobe hey wannabe *hugs* :D
22:10 wannabe1987 odd
22:10 wannabe1987 my mom guessed my sisters fever within .1 degrees....
22:11 Seroster__ Oh hello CaptainNiobe
22:11 wannabe1987 (sister has strep)
22:11 Sgt_Lemming -odd +experience
22:11 Seroster__ You are stralian, whatcha think about heat?
22:11 Experimentonomen g'evenin miss wannabe
22:11 CaptainNiobe hey there, 'weed! :D
22:11 wannabe1987 hi
22:12 Sgt_Lemming I prefer the cold, when it's cold you can just put more clothes on, when it's hot there is only so far you can go before you get arrested
22:12 Seroster__ Lol
22:12 wannabe1987 lol
22:12 wannabe1987 WIN
22:13 Seroster__ But yes, you are very correct, an infrared heater is like $50, an AC is at least 20 times as big and at least $1000
22:13 * wannabe1987 needs an AC unit
22:14 Experimentonomen in au, u can find windowshakers in full working order thrown around the side of the street, all thats wrong with them is that they need a good clean
22:14 Experimentonomen just look at v8jagnut on utoob, he has a video like once a week of a ac he found on the side of the road
22:15 Yrouel what's a windowshaker?
22:15 Experimentonomen a in window air conditioner
22:16 wannabe1987 send me one?
22:17 Experimentonomen wannabe1987, wrong voltage :P
22:17 wannabe1987 i don't even have a grounded outlet for it....
22:18 Experimentonomen grounded outlets are for wusses ;p
22:18 Yrouel lol caught boden doing the blog
22:18 Yrouel on the stream
22:19 Yrouel we don't have grounded outlets
22:19 Electricguy bedtime.night all :)
22:20 Yrouel night
22:20 Sgt_Lemming http://www.sheldoncomics.com/strips/sd120518.png
22:20 wannabe1987 night Electricguy
22:20 wannabe1987 lol
22:21 Experimentonomen hm
22:23 * wannabe1987 set up a pinterest account. i think that was bad...
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22:25 JA12 http://pinterest.com/pin/123919427217228649/
22:25 BotSteve Title: facials eye care diy / JOJOBA oil for Hair facials-eye-care-diy
22:25 Experimentonomen *yawn*
22:25 Experimentonomen bedtime
22:25 JA12 ... that didn't look like oil at first
22:25 Experimentonomen nite peepz
22:26 JA12 night
22:29 Seroster__ Anyway
22:29 Seroster__ Imma go to bed
22:29 Seroster__ And wet it with liters upon liters of sweat
22:30 Seroster__ Bö-hörk :(
22:32 Sgt_Lemming fan + open window
22:34 JA12 pillow and blanket in the freezer
22:34 Seroster__ Sgt_Lemming, Cats always land with their feet down, eh?
22:34 Seroster__ They still gather enough momentum from the 8th floor.
22:34 Sgt_Lemming ...?
22:34 Seroster__ Cant have open windows, cats.
22:34 Sgt_Lemming actually, a cat is more likely to hurt itself falling from the 2nd floor than the 22nd floor
22:34 Sgt_Lemming because they have more time to right themselves
22:35 Seroster__ Anyway, here it'sthe law that you are not allowed to have pets on the second floor (or 7m above ground) in a way in which they can fall.
22:35 Sgt_Lemming no fly screens on the windows?
22:36 Seroster__ It's legal, but I got none and none can be installed.
22:36 Seroster__ All my windows are on the balcony, six of them, and they all slide to the side, and fold inwards.
22:36 Carvagon frame em up on the inside ona  hinge that can be latched
22:36 Seroster__ To make a flyscreen window I would need to get an empty frame, unhook a window, insert flyscreen.
22:36 Seroster__ Carvagon, I hire this apartment. I am not allowed to modify it in such a way
22:37 Carvagon ahhh those arent fun
22:37 Seroster__ Did I mention it's a huge window area?
22:38 Seroster__ It's six by two meters, points to the south, all glass... it's a greenhouse ffs.
22:38 Seroster__ If I was growing weed.... Damn. =P
22:38 Carvagon holy crap yeah it is lol
22:38 Seroster__ So... Plan is to tape aluminium foil to the inside of every other window, that would reduce heat input by 50%
22:38 Yrouel single glass sheet?
22:38 Sgt_Lemming see, points to the south here would fucking freeze
22:39 Seroster__ Yrouel, One sheet in each window pane, each window pane is about 1 by 1.5m
22:39 Seroster__ Sgt_Lemming, That's because you are upside down =)
22:39 Sgt_Lemming not double glazed?
22:39 Seroster__ Nope
22:39 Sgt_Lemming wow, that must suck in winter
22:39 Carvagon by a roll of tint then
22:39 JA12 Seroster__: I've done that to completely block the sun. it works but still gets plenty warm if the film is inside
22:40 Seroster__ I got one set of six windows between the apartment and balcony, they are double, fully insulated.
22:40 Yrouel courtains?
22:40 Seroster__ Yrouel, Cost money and I have nothing to hang them from.
22:40 Seroster__ The walls are asbestos concrete, putting up curtain rods is a bitch
22:40 JA12 and they also trap heat
22:40 Seroster__ JA12, Better than nothing
22:40 JA12 true
22:41 Seroster__ JA12, Doesn't the alu foil reflect like 95% of what shines on it? - and the glass absorbs like 10%?
22:42 Carvagon if u had it on the inside im sure it would still get hot though
22:42 Seroster__ If I put the foil on the outside I'll have to deal with weather, and noise caused by wind. If I tape it to the inside life will be easier
22:42 Yrouel could the aluminium foil be a problem because of the reflections?
22:42 Yrouel for example for planes
22:42 Seroster__ Yrouel, Nah
22:42 Seroster__ Sun shines from above, if it hits a 90degree angle it goes on down
22:42 JA12 Seroster__: idk how much exactly. most of it, sure. but the film still gets hot (to the touch)
22:42 Yrouel Seroster__ so cars?
22:43 Seroster__ Yrouel, No streets outside
22:43 Yrouel oh ok
22:43 Seroster__ Might annoy people, but I don't care really.
22:43 Seroster__ If someone complains I'll cross that bridge when I come to it =P
22:44 Sgt_Lemming Seroster__, here you can buy portable tinting screens
22:44 JA12 and then change the foil to few parabolic mirrors x)
22:44 Carvagon haha
22:44 Sgt_Lemming basically tinted vinyl sheeting on a big frame
22:44 Sgt_Lemming maybe look for something like that?
22:44 Seroster__ Sgt_Lemming, alu foil is $2 per roll of 100meters by 30cm
22:44 Seroster__ Doesn't the tinted vinyl just absorb the heat into the glass?
22:45 Sgt_Lemming absorbs the heat into itself, but you could put it outside the window
22:45 Sgt_Lemming would allow light but not the IR through
22:46 Seroster__ Screw light AND IR! =D
22:46 JA12 Seroster__: oh btw. I used soap water to stick the foil on to the glass. that worked well. so well that it was a pita to get off when I moved
22:46 Sgt_Lemming lol
22:46 JA12 Seroster__: it was like it were glued on it
22:46 Seroster__ Lol, JA12!
22:46 Seroster__ Razorblade and water?
22:47 JA12 yeah I scraped it off with all available means. I don't remember if I used razorblade or just knife
22:47 Seroster__ Lol
22:47 Seroster__ Anyway
22:47 Seroster__ Time to hit the hay
22:47 Seroster__ I'll throw some soapy water in a spray bottle and go nuts tomorrow, thanks for the advice jatwelve
22:48 JA12 no problem
22:48 JA12 night
22:48 Yrouel I'm goin to bed too
22:48 * Yrouel 'night
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