Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-06-05

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Time Nick Message
00:00 DeKemp merlin gerin
00:00 tonsofpcs Siemens and SquareD are big here, there's plenty others.
00:00 DeKemp also
00:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Three-phase boards are different.
00:00 Monkeh tonsofpcs: As for locked in, there are issues with mixing brands.
00:00 Monkeh (legal ones, as well as faceplate issues)
00:00 tonsofpcs I have the lovely.... cutler-hammer
00:00 Monkeh Let's see, brands..
00:01 tonsofpcs really? wwhat's wrong with mixing brands?
00:01 tonsofpcs (I get the faceplate issues, but that's easily solved)
00:01 Monkeh MK, Hager, Wylex, Crabtree for consumer, are decent ones..
00:01 DeKemp eaton and moeler
00:01 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Units are type-rated. If you mix and match components from other brands, or other ranges, they don't conform to the appropriate standards.
00:01 tonsofpcs (cutler hammer is apparently owned by EATON, btw, )
00:01 DeKemp eaton ownes a LOT of companys now
00:02 tonsofpcs yes, they do.
00:02 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's still regularly done in domestic situations (as really, it doesn't make any difference for domestic stuff).
00:02 tonsofpcs they have at least 5 facilities in our coverage area that I know of....
00:02 tonsofpcs Monkeh: but wouldn't a 16A breaker from company A be type-rated the same as a 16A breaker from company B?
00:03 DeKemp ?
00:03 DeKemp in size?
00:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: For industrial, we've got Siemens, Square D, Eaton, MEM (owned by Eaton), Merlin Gerin/Schneider
00:03 tonsofpcs oh, I should draw up another map for DeKemp...
00:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The entire assembly is rated.
00:03 DeKemp lal
00:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: This includes issues such as IP ratings (see: faceplates).
00:03 tonsofpcs oh, so they sell them as a package much like our breaker-populated load centers
00:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, but the units are rated with their accessories.
00:04 Monkeh They are not tested and rated with other accessories and cannot be considered as compliant with the respective standards unless tested
00:04 tonsofpcs well, you don't buy a prepopulated load center here, I'm not saying that, but you buy it with what you need
00:04 tonsofpcs ah
00:04 DeKemp before tgg i hadn't heard of a loadcenter before..
00:04 tonsofpcs so if you really wanted to pay for the testing, you could ;)
00:04 Monkeh Again, domestic situations, as long as they physically fit..
00:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Oh, sure, but it costs more than you earn in a year.
00:05 tonsofpcs DeKemp: we call them MDPs or breaker boxes or panels in the states.... "Load Center" is the proper name that no one really calls them by
00:05 Monkeh Load center is just a weird name..
00:05 DeKemp ah
00:05 DeKemp meterkast :D
00:05 Monkeh Consumer unit (domestic stuff), distribution panel, etc.
00:05 tonsofpcs meterkast? wouldn't that be where the meter is?
00:05 Monkeh Also switchgear for the really meaty (>300A) panels, and individual heavy duty switches, etc
00:05 tonsofpcs (MDP = Main Distribution Panel, btw)
00:05 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yeah, figured.
00:06 DeKemp meter and all the breakers
00:06 tonsofpcs weird
00:06 tonsofpcs I consider my UPS bypass panel to be switchgear, I consider my ATS to be switchgear, I don't consider the panel fed by those to be switchgear...
00:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 'load center' would make a hilarious lack of sense with rings
00:06 tonsofpcs Monkeh: load tangent? :)
00:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: It's switchgear if it includes a three-phase 300A isolator, thank you very much.
00:06 DeKemp http://www.energysurvival.nl/userfiles/image/meterkast.jpg
00:07 DeKemp fairly typical meterkast
00:07 tonsofpcs nah, there's only two 3phase 120A isolators in that panel...
00:07 Monkeh DeKemp: Is that water/gas coming in there?
00:07 DeKemp yes
00:07 Monkeh ... ew.
00:07 Monkeh Bad.
00:07 tonsofpcs right, we just have the kast and not the meter.
00:07 DeKemp why
00:07 tonsofpcs also, what Monkeh said.
00:07 DeKemp its realy common here
00:07 Monkeh There are seperation requirements under any sane electrical regulations
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00:08 tonsofpcs well, first the copper looks fatigued to the point that it's gonna burst water all over your main...
00:08 Monkeh tonsofpcs: ... that looks fatigued?
00:08 DeKemp lal
00:08 tonsofpcs second, how do the wires go in/out?
00:08 DeKemp ?
00:08 tonsofpcs Monkeh: where it crosses the vertical wire
00:08 tonsofpcs oh, I see them, nevermind
00:08 DeKemp :P
00:08 tonsofpcs this screen is horriid btw
00:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: That looks like a shallow bend to me?
00:09 tonsofpcs right where it crosses? looks like someone bent it and unbent it...
00:09 DeKemp water als can be in thec crawlspace
00:09 DeKemp if the house has it
00:09 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Looks okay to me, just a complex angle.
00:10 Monkeh Probably had to tweak it
00:10 tonsofpcs eh, I don't want any angles in water or gas pipes that close to electrical....
00:10 DeKemp http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Meterkast.jpg
00:10 DeKemp other one
00:10 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I just don't like the meter just.. sitting there. Under the damn panel.
00:10 tonsofpcs are they always on plywood?
00:10 DeKemp no
00:10 DeKemp at my place its just brick wall
00:10 DeKemp depend on the house
00:11 DeKemp http://www.joostdevree.nl/bouwkunde2/jpgm/meterkast_2_is_geen_opbergkast_www_veenendaalsewoningstichting_nl.jpg
00:11 Monkeh tonsofpcs: What _really_ worries me is the fact that the gas appears to come up in MDPE
00:11 DeKemp :P thats a messy meterkast
00:11 tonsofpcs we require wiring to be in conduit (except for type... whatever the hell type romex is)
00:11 DeKemp gas is protected by a plastic pipe
00:11 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Romex is what you'd called insulated and sheathed. ie. it doesn't require conduit.
00:11 * wannabe1987 is really fed up with her screen....its getting worse and only flashes when not plugged in
00:11 Monkeh DeKemp: But please tell me it's copper under that yellow sheath?
00:11 DeKemp yes
00:12 Monkeh Phew.
00:12 DeKemp it is just protection
00:12 tonsofpcs Monkeh: right, but there's a proper "type" name
00:12 Monkeh Nobody in their right mind brings gas up in MDPE.
00:12 tonsofpcs "NM", that's it.
00:12 DeKemp :P
00:12 Monkeh For some rather good reasons.
00:12 DeKemp wat about plastic gas pipes instead of steal
00:12 tonsofpcs because the "M" is not an "H" or "100%"? :)
00:12 DeKemp *steel
00:12 Monkeh DeKemp: Steel?!
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00:12 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Fire rating.
00:13 tonsofpcs Monkeh: you're no fun :-p
00:13 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I'm lots of fun when I'm driving a tank :P
00:13 DeKemp the pipes in the streets in het beginning where made out of castiron. but they are being replaced by plastic ones
00:13 Monkeh Uh oh, a Zozo
00:13 tonsofpcs "type NM" is apparently "non-metallic sheathed"
00:13 GGR-Zozo yup
00:13 tonsofpcs a zozo draws near.
00:13 tonsofpcs zozo: managed hosting recommendations?
00:14 Monkeh "don't"
00:14 tonsofpcs [my current webhost needs to be slapped]
00:14 tonsofpcs Monkeh: got a vps taht you'll manage for me? :)
00:14 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not with 50GB, no.
00:14 GGR-Zozo for web hosting... do it yorself =)
00:14 GGR-Zozo yourself*
00:14 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I can manage one, but the VPS will set you back nearly $60 a month
00:14 tonsofpcs I manage way too much crap at work to want to deal with it at hoe.
00:15 tonsofpcs this is why my managed hosting company is getting the boot, they want me to micromanage my stuff now (and they're being annoying)
00:15 tonsofpcs (and by annoying, I mean "yelling at me for using what I paid for for what I paid for it for.")
00:16 GGR-Zozo tonsofpcs, ask me later im about to start my monday night RPG game and we decided to broadcast it...
00:16 tonsofpcs GGR-Zozo: oo, broadcast me ranting about my web host instead :)
00:16 GGR-Zozo lol
00:17 tonsofpcs I can roll into a rant about the 3.5 hours of ISP/cable service outage I had last night that they explicitly and knowingly caused and didn't have any information on.
00:17 tonsofpcs followed by a rant on cable companies who blame everyone else imaginable for their issues
00:17 DeKemp ah, regarding the plywood, it is mandantory the have plywood in the meterkast acourding to regulations
00:18 Monkeh Durable fixing surface.
00:18 DeKemp yes
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00:18 Monkeh Also flat, unlike what most builders call a wall.
00:18 tonsofpcs DeKemp: weird... we ground everything here, so we have metal boxes, it doesn't matter where the metal box goes... some buildings have a plywood mounting point for electrical and phone, some recess them, etc...
00:18 DeKemp at leas 18mm
00:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: We care due to flex. :P
00:18 DeKemp you have grounding wire for that
00:18 tonsofpcs yes, we do.
00:19 tonsofpcs I should open up a panel at work and take pictures for you...
00:19 tonsofpcs (I'm afraid to open the panel in my apartment)
00:19 Carvagon lol
00:19 Monkeh Nothing too exciting in them
00:19 DeKemp most cabinets are abs or the olderones bakalite
00:19 Monkeh Just silly colour coding
00:19 tonsofpcs absynthe?
00:20 Monkeh tonsofpcs: No, but about as bad for you
00:20 tonsofpcs oh, c'mon, it's not like you're burning it... on purpose...
00:20 BitViper GGR-Zozo : broadcast where how ?
00:20 DeKemp http://www.onlinebouwmarkt.nl/winkel/images/uploads/Groepenkast%20-%20met%20aardlekschakelaar.jpg
00:21 DeKemp most houses have thes kinds
00:21 DeKemp or a variant of it
00:21 GGR-Zozo on the radio station
00:21 BitViper kewl ? video, or just audio ?
00:21 Monkeh DeKemp: Where the hell's the isolator?
00:21 tonsofpcs BitViper: on the webstream...
00:21 DeKemp ?
00:21 BitViper sweet
00:21 tonsofpcs GGR-Zozo: we need to work on getting you a radio and/or TV station
00:21 tonsofpcs I forget where I left off with the LPFM search
00:22 DeKemp http://www.weltenhomeimprovement.nl/Attema%20groepenkast.jpg
00:22 DeKemp here a filled one
00:22 Monkeh Ah, yet another company doing away with single isolation points..
00:22 Monkeh And/or country.
00:22 DeKemp you mean only the fase and not the neutral?
00:23 Monkeh No, I mean one single operation to isolate the entire installation.
00:23 DeKemp ?
00:23 Monkeh One switch should isolate the inside of that unit.
00:23 BitViper im on the vid stream zozo
00:23 DeKemp ah
00:23 DeKemp what if yo uhave 6 groups. you would need 6 boxes
00:24 DeKemp waste of space
00:24 Monkeh (says the guy with about four points of isolation due to a rather non-standard installation)
00:24 Monkeh DeKemp: Uh, no, you need two units.
00:24 Monkeh Two standard 19mm units for a single 100A dual-pole isolator..
00:24 DeKemp there is a main braker and then the meter an than the groups
00:25 DeKemp the mainbreaker and meter are property of the electric company
00:25 DeKemp main breaker is often 32A
00:25 Monkeh Precisely.
00:25 Monkeh ... 32A?
00:25 Monkeh Oh, lord
00:25 DeKemp and groups ar 16
00:25 BitViper wth, main radio stream is all echos
00:25 Monkeh http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/Products/size_3/CB413SLASH236565B.JPG
00:26 BitViper anyone else listing to audio stream ?
00:26 tonsofpcs nope
00:26 DeKemp whe have 3P+N+G comming in the house. but we only use 1 phase
00:26 tonsofpcs crabtree still exists?
00:26 BitViper GGR-Zozo : for me at least audio-only stream is totally borked, all echos
00:26 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Yes, they're making a comeback lately.
00:27 DeKemp 3phase cost a lot more, and you dont need it in a resdential
00:27 BitViper GGR-Zozo : audio is fine on video stream
00:27 Monkeh tonsofpcs: After the Electrium incident.
00:27 Monkeh (oddly, because people don't seem to realise they _are_ Electrium breakers..)
00:27 tonsofpcs I have a nice picture of our bypass interlock system.
00:28 DeKemp lalw
00:28 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Ah, that's right, it was only the Loadstar units..
00:28 BitViper whoever's making the challenge ... later this week :)
00:29 wannabe1987 i slapped my computer and its behaving for a bit
00:29 tonsofpcs interlocks :)
00:29 wannabe1987 stupid video card
00:30 Monkeh Fancy
00:30 CaptainNiobe hey guys :) and girls... mustn't forget out geeky girls... :D
00:30 wannabe1987 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/250634_324890844251689_102099916530784_722875_1153962275_n.jpg
00:30 CaptainNiobe our*
00:30 wannabe1987 hi niobe
00:30 tonsofpcs ya, the key at the bottom is held in by a closure from the UPS too
00:30 lwq1996 yo, wuz up mah peeps
00:31 Monkeh tonsofpcs: 225A time delayed, 250A fast?
00:31 wannabe1987 making dinner
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00:32 wannabe1987 and then bringing it to GGR-Zozo later
00:32 tonsofpcs oh, that, yes
00:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: In other words, a 200A breaker? :P
00:33 tonsofpcs iirc: the one on the left takes the UPS output and outputs it from the panel, the one on the right takes the incoming mains feed and outputs it from the panel
00:34 tonsofpcs obviously you don't want both on at the same time
00:34 Monkeh Not unless the UPS is in sync with the supply, no.
00:35 Monkeh With obvious backfeed issues which I believe is commonly illegal over there.
00:35 tonsofpcs well, the UPS *should* be in sync with the supply, but the incoming mains in that panel is what feeds the UPS...
00:35 tonsofpcs (there's a breaker higher up, not shown)
00:35 tonsofpcs I can bypass the UPS 'hot'
00:36 DeKemp dafuq @ gg radio
00:36 tonsofpcs (the UPS has internal bypasses as well)
00:36 tonsofpcs (that's why the second key is there -- if the UPS is internally bypassed you can open that breaker and close the connection)
00:36 DeKemp :P
00:37 DeKemp radio : maglite, fat part first :P
00:38 Monkeh DeKemp: The fuck?
00:38 DeKemp :P
00:38 wannabe1987 so....the summer sausage tastes AMAZING and i don't want to share with GGR-Zozo
00:38 GGR-Zozo lol
00:38 tonsofpcs oo, I have a set of pictures that Monkeh would love, but I'm not even supposed to have them...
00:39 wannabe1987 its in your supper, which is just about ready, but i'm also making bars, and i have to get them in the fridge before i can leave
00:39 DeKemp radio : put a cone on the fat part :P
00:39 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I don't care. I have lots of things I'm not meant to have.
00:39 DeKemp lightcone
00:39 tonsofpcs (work is in an old school building, code at the time of construction for schools was that all services had to enter underground... our transformers are in a locked room in the basement
00:44 DeKemp bye bye
00:44 DeKemp nighty all
00:44 wannabe1987 night
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01:09 wannabe1987 hey detrix
01:12 lwq1996 most awkward question ive ever been asked, "did you pee in the shower?!?!?!?!?!"
01:14 tonsofpcs really?
01:14 tonsofpcs that's the most awkward one?
01:14 tonsofpcs with a name like Lee W. Queen?
01:15 tonsofpcs *shrugs*
01:15 lwq1996 yes. most akward one at the time
01:15 tonsofpcs :)
01:16 eadthem well now i can say my sweat and blood went in to this new computer
01:16 tonsofpcs no tears?
01:17 lwq1996 ok ok, maybe i pee in the shower a little, but whats the sense of using the toilet before you shower when it goes to the same place
01:17 eadthem not jokeing about the blood
01:17 eadthem wasnt even a small scratch  but it shure blead
01:17 lwq1996 what did you cut youself on?
01:17 wannabe1987 o?
01:17 tonsofpcs eadthem: eh, it happens.
01:17 eadthem case
01:17 Monkeh Mmm, cheap cases
01:17 lwq1996 lol
01:17 tonsofpcs Monkeh: I have $20000 pieces of equipment that can cut you open, sheet metal is sheet metal :
01:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Properly finished sheet metal is properly finished sheet metal.
01:18 Monkeh The edges. You _roll_ them.
01:18 lwq1996 i have things that can mangle you so bad but i manage to cut myself on the most stupidest thing ever
01:19 lwq1996 do a barrel roll?
01:19 tonsofpcs Monkeh: it can still cut you.
01:19 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Not if it's round.
01:20 lwq1996 monkeh, sharp corners
01:20 tonsofpcs we live in 3D space here.... we don't have round anything except balls... and even those aren't always round.
01:20 Monkeh lwq1996: Avoidable.
01:21 lwq1996 eh, still. possibilities.
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01:21 * wannabe1987 gets ready to head to the lab with GGR-Zozo's dinner
01:21 wannabe1987 and my dinner.....
01:22 wannabe1987 it smells good....
01:22 lwq1996 mmmmm fine dinning
01:22 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: I wants dinner!
01:22 lwq1996 if i give you the money to buy the products will you cook me dinner when i come to mi?
01:23 lwq1996 and of course i will pay you for time and labor
01:30 eadthem ya i was drilling the hole for the security bolts
01:31 tehdark45 joined #thegeekgroup
01:31 eadthem the theory is   if someone is presented with 3 computers  1 bolted down with security spanner screws on the case, and 2 just sitting there,  they will take the 2 sitting there and not waste the time on the spanner screws,  nylon locknuts and the 4 more square drive wood screws covering access to the other side of the bolt with another chunk of wood underneath
01:31 wannabe1987 joined #thegeekgroup
01:32 tehdark45 wannabe1987, you following me? :P
01:32 lwq1996 o.e http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwzxDRmBcsI&feature=g-u-u
01:33 BotSteve Title: Captain's Blog 6-3-2012 Junebug Porn - YouTube
01:33 tehdark45 hai lwq1996
01:35 wannabe1987 i'm back
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01:36 tehdark45 oh noes
01:36 wannabe1987 hi swueak
01:36 lwq1996 AHHHH THERES A MOUSE AT THE LAB
01:36 tonsofpcs hmm...
01:36 wannabe1987 hi squeak
01:36 tgg-squeak hi
01:36 tonsofpcs lwq1996: huh?
01:37 lwq1996 squeak, as in a mouse
01:37 wannabe1987 squeak....mouse.....squeak.....
01:38 Hackbat ow
01:38 Hackbat I think I hurt my leg somehow
01:39 wannabe1987 how?
01:39 tonsofpcs yay master chef
01:39 lwq1996 wannabe1987: someone told me you sound like an owl
01:39 wannabe1987 ?
01:39 tonsofpcs who?
01:39 lwq1996 HA, tonsofpcs did it
01:39 lwq1996 he sounds like an owl now
01:42 wannabe1987 according to axelos my uncle has pterdacytl meat....
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01:46 tonsofpcs why does everyone offer VPS with high RAM and low HDD?
01:46 lwq1996 vps?
01:47 * wannabe1987 had to go slap cricket
01:47 tehdark45 thats mean
01:47 lwq1996 how do you slap a cricket, dont you squish them?
01:48 tehdark45 lwq1996, Virtual Private Server
01:48 tehdark45 in other words a virtuak machine server
01:48 tehdark45 virtual*
01:48 wannabe1987 mallory said something about a sandstorm and cricket says "isn't there a song about that"
01:49 lwq1996 hmmm. go to bed at 9:50?
01:49 wannabe1987 mallory is a characters name
01:49 tehdark45 lwq1996, you"
01:49 tehdark45 ?*
01:49 tehdark45 go to bed now?
01:49 lwq1996 yes
01:49 tehdark45 O_o
01:50 tehdark45 is the world ending?
01:50 lwq1996 ive been going to bed around 11-12
01:50 tehdark45 howcome?
01:50 tehdark45 old age?
01:50 lwq1996 no the kiddish world is ending and the adult world is comming
01:50 tehdark45 uhh wannabe1987 seems pretty unkiddish and she stays up past 12
01:50 tehdark45 :P
01:51 lwq1996 she does it because why does she need to go to bed early. i do it because i got shit that needs to get doen
01:52 tehdark45 what school? you dont need sleep for that
01:52 lwq1996 im only going for like an hour tomorrow
01:52 tehdark45 woah woah
01:52 wannabe1987 i um have to call people tomorrow....
01:52 tehdark45 dont overdue
01:52 tehdark45 there lee
01:52 wannabe1987 over do it there, lee*
01:53 tehdark45 lol, what she said
01:53 lwq1996 wannabe, i didnt mean it that your lazy, i mean it as that it doesnt need to be done early in the morning while its still cool out.
01:53 tehdark45 umm cool wakes you up
01:53 tehdark45 -_-
01:53 wannabe1987 yeah.  i know.  but i did work today....housework and making food and laundry and blah....i cleaned my kitchen, but you can't tell :P
01:54 eadthem wow captans blog is getting 50/50  thumbs up and down
01:54 lwq1996 lol
01:54 wannabe1987 tehdark45: i use a heated blanket, so i can't tell its "cool"
01:54 lwq1996 its nice and cool in my room
01:54 tehdark45 yeah, if you are warm, then your body thinks, oh, sleep now
01:55 lwq1996 i now want a woodchuck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdLGMRFUyhg&feature=g-u-u
01:55 BotSteve Title: Attack woodchuck plays with Dave - YouTube
01:55 wannabe1987 yep
01:55 tehdark45 i'd say about 10 grams
01:56 tehdark45 lol
01:56 lwq1996 thats why i like it cool in my room. it keeps me awake till i need to sleep then i wrap up in a blanket
01:56 lwq1996 i woke up 30min early today
01:56 tehdark45 i prefer rapping in a blanket, all the cool kids do it
01:57 tehdark45 :O
01:58 wannabe1987 i woke up to zozo leaving the bed....
02:05 Monkeh|Lap 12 minutes of bug fucking?
02:05 Monkeh|Lap I highly approve.
02:06 wannabe1987 ...
02:06 wannabe1987 why did i leave my headphones at home?!
02:06 lwq1996 brain fail?
02:06 tehdark45 its the only thing he can watch, as net nanny wont block that
02:06 tehdark45 LOL
02:07 Monkeh|Lap Quiet, you
02:07 Monkeh|Lap Or I'll throw my spare switch at you
02:07 tehdark45 nou
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02:07 Toastdude Hi
02:07 lwq1996 hmmmm. flag for pornography
02:08 * tonsofpcs throws relays, not switches
02:08 wannabe1987 why doesn't tgg have an observatory?!
02:08 tonsofpcs (and sometimes CRTs)
02:08 wannabe1987 lwq1996 don't you dare
02:08 wannabe1987 hi Toastdude
02:08 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Go build it
02:08 lwq1996 wannabe1987: no where to fit it?
02:08 Monkeh|Lap Bit much light there anyway
02:08 wannabe1987 the roof....after it gets fixed
02:09 lwq1996 all ya need is a tellescope actually
02:09 Monkeh|Lap It's still too bright
02:09 wannabe1987 I WANT TO WATCH TOMORROWS THINGER
02:09 Toastdude I'll help build it!
02:09 lwq1996 you need sun filters for that wannabe1987
02:09 tehdark45 tgg should get nasas spare hubble
02:09 Toastdude I'm not using one, Lee.
02:09 wannabe1987 i need more than what i have now (my eyes)
02:10 lwq1996 toast, it goes right in front of the sun
02:10 Toastdude Use tgg's small telescope! (don't look through it, though. project it on a piece of paper.)
02:10 Toastdude I know Lee, hence projection.
02:10 lwq1996 ah
02:10 Monkeh|Lap What's flying past the sun?
02:10 lwq1996 or camera
02:11 Toastdude Venus
02:11 lwq1996 venus
02:11 lwq1996 damnit. toast you got it before me
02:11 Toastdude Once in a lifetime thing.
02:11 Toastdude It won't happen again until 2117!
02:11 SparkyProjects1 next one is 2117
02:11 lwq1996 i got welding goggles :D i can view it
02:11 Monkeh|Lap Oh, cool.
02:11 lwq1996 whens it happen exactly?
02:12 * wannabe1987 watches the cb, but not up in radio
02:12 Monkeh|Lap Is that going to be visible from here?
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02:12 SparkyProjects1 Or you can use a lens or monocular projected on a screen
02:12 wannabe1987 HighMan, do *not* watch the cb!
02:12 eadthem mmm IBM using Sun Microsystems orange to advertise there servers
02:12 wannabe1987 you're too young
02:12 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: I thought it'd be just up his street.
02:12 wannabe1987 :P
02:12 wannabe1987 it makes me laugh so hard....
02:13 wannabe1987 he's got pretty awesome focus tho....
02:13 SparkyProjects1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18278591 http://www.sunaeon.com http://transitofvenus.nl/wp/observing/six-ways-to-see-the-transit
02:13 BotSteve Title: Six ways to see the transit | Venustransit
02:13 tehdark45 venus is jovial
02:14 tehdark45 and hot too
02:14 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects1: That's going to be hard to see from here, then.
02:15 lwq1996 hey wannabe you can change the topic now. you can change it to the time we should view the venus thing
02:15 wannabe1987 no......you need to read what BatSteve put in the topic...
02:15 wannabe1987 i'm too busy hold on
02:15 SparkyProjects1 If you're awake at about 4am, you may get a glimpse if it's not cloudy
02:15 Monkeh|Lap I'll have a look
02:15 Monkeh|Lap I don't have a telescope though :{
02:16 Monkeh|Lap Used to
02:16 wannabe1987 i'm busy watching bugs do nsfw things
02:16 lwq1996 can someone copy paste?
02:16 wannabe1987 copy paste what?
02:16 wannabe1987 the topic?
02:16 lwq1996 yes
02:16 wannabe1987 https://github.com/Steve-V/sdv-personal/blob/master/tgg-experiment.txt thats what bats wants you to read
02:16 BotSteve Title: sdv-personal/tgg-experiment.txt at master · Steve-V/sdv-personal · GitHub
02:16 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects1: Pretty sure it'll be below the hill until too late here, though.
02:17 SparkyProjects1 If you have a lens, you may be able to focus it, a bit like burning paper, but go for a large image, you would need to hold it steady
02:18 SparkyProjects1 I have several large lenses from a projector, not sure if i'll be awake or not, i also have welding goggles
02:19 lwq1996 im going to bed. night
02:19 wannabe1987 night hun!
02:19 * tonsofpcs votes for BatSteve-Away to neither go away nor toss in his h@.
02:20 lwq1996 im going to read it in the morning
02:20 wannabe1987 also, here's the "should BatSteve remain an op?" survey, which I'll put in the topic later:  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7899FYP
02:20 BotSteve Title: What should BatSteve do with his ops? Survey
02:20 wannabe1987 then vote!
02:20 tehdark45 bye lee
02:20 tonsofpcs oh, there's a survey
02:23 SparkyProjects1 btw Monkeh, Venus will only be visible to us on the motning of the 6th
02:23 SparkyProjects1 *morning
02:26 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects1: Yes, I worked that out from the times :P
02:26 SparkyProjects1 Cool, did't want you awake at 4 today and miss out :P
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02:27 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects1: Unlike the majority of IRC users, I can understand dates and timezones. :)
02:27 Carvagon ha
02:28 SparkyProjects1 I'll be using part of tomorrow to try out the lenses (if the sun shines enough)
02:28 tehdark45 wannabe1987, was in the hotseat?
02:28 tehdark45 O_o
02:28 Monkeh|Lap I'm not going to worry
02:28 Monkeh|Lap Pretty sure it'll be over by the time the sun gets over the hill
02:29 wannabe1987 what?  i just got back to my computer
02:30 BatSteve yo
02:30 wannabe1987 hi
02:30 tehdark45 wannabe1987, BatSteve's reflections
02:30 wannabe1987 yes.....i was.....
02:30 BatSteve what about my reflections?
02:30 wannabe1987 you mentioned me a few times
02:31 BatSteve indeed I did
02:31 BatSteve Same with cpro and tons
02:31 BatSteve ..actually I don't think I mentioned tons by name
02:31 wannabe1987 no, not tons
02:31 wannabe1987 and cpro didn't relocate here for good
02:32 BatSteve Good to know
02:32 lwq1996 this was an experiment from the begining?
02:32 wannabe1987 not that i know of, anyway....
02:32 BatSteve Yep
02:32 tehdark45 we are ab rats
02:32 tehdark45 lab*
02:32 tehdark45 woot
02:32 BatSteve The experiment was to answer the question "Should we have an IRC"
02:32 BatSteve the answer is "yes"
02:32 BatSteve :]
02:32 lwq1996 no, we are beta testers :P
02:33 tehdark45 it took 3 years?
02:33 tehdark45 lol
02:33 BatSteve Well, 2 and a half or so
02:33 tonsofpcs hi BatSteve :)
02:33 BatSteve hey tonsofpcs!
02:34 tehdark45 BatSteve, why do you ask have you read and then mention reading in the answers?
02:34 tonsofpcs to be fair, I showed up on IRC like 2 days before driving halfway across the country :-p
02:34 BatSteve tehdark45: because I wanted to have the link in the question, but if I made it all one question it would be way too long.
02:34 tonsofpcs (ok, probably closer to a week)
02:35 tonsofpcs tehdark45: data validation, obviously.
02:35 tehdark45 lol
02:36 lwq1996 17 is 5pm right?
02:36 wannabe1987 yes
02:36 Carvagon lol
02:36 BatSteve 1700, yes
02:36 tonsofpcs 17 is the age before 18
02:36 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, is a hipster, he was on #thegeekgroup before it was popular
02:36 lwq1996 lol
02:36 tonsofpcs tehdark45: no, not really
02:36 Toastdude BatSteve!
02:36 tonsofpcs I was making road trips across the country on a whim before it was popular though
02:36 BatSteve Toastdude!
02:37 tehdark45 did you just have money floating around?
02:37 tonsofpcs idk, when was that wheatnews mentioning thte tv600...
02:37 tonsofpcs tehdark45: no, that's why I drove 12 hours instead  of flying.
02:37 tehdark45 ah
02:37 tonsofpcs and I tried getting people  to split the trip but it didn't happen
02:37 tehdark45 cheapos
02:37 tonsofpcs I got a reply from someone when I was in ohio "yea, i'd go" :-p
02:38 tonsofpcs I'm like "I left 8 hours ago"
02:38 tehdark45 lol
02:38 tehdark45 24h is what real people use
02:38 tehdark45 not this am pm
02:39 tonsofpcs am pm?
02:39 tonsofpcs is that like am fm in some other language?
02:39 wannabe1987 yes
02:39 tehdark45 lol
02:39 tonsofpcs 22:39:34 <@wannabe1987> yes
02:40 tonsofpcs ok, so the article that pointed me to the geek group was published on June 30... I was there on July 1...
02:40 tonsofpcs and somehow bill didn't think I was too crazy.
02:41 tehdark45 its not too crazy if you speed
02:41 tehdark45 :P
02:41 tonsofpcs couldn't through ohio
02:41 tonsofpcs heck, half of ohio was single-lane due to 'construction'
02:41 tonsofpcs and they had widened areas to allow for cops to pull people over
02:41 tehdark45 ofc they would
02:42 tonsofpcs like, they built space that one car could be backed into and pointing out at traffic....
02:42 tonsofpcs most states would build sidings for 'emergency stopping', nope ohio builds police parkiing spots...
02:42 wannabe1987 lol
02:42 tehdark45 they gotta give you those acceptable robery... i mean tickets
02:43 tehdark45 somehow
02:43 tehdark45 robbery*
02:43 tonsofpcs like, I saw a tractor trailer pulled over....
02:43 tonsofpcs on a road that  was normally 4 lanes and reduced to two with a separation in the middle...
02:44 SparkyProjects1 On UK motorways we have a hard shoulder for breakdowns etc, but also have places behind that for police vehicles, a bit like a raised layby
02:45 wannabe1987 you also have roundabouts....whats up with those? :P
02:45 tonsofpcs we have those here too...
02:45 tonsofpcs although we don't have roundaboots on our roundaboots here.
02:45 wannabe1987 so does gr/michigan
02:45 Carvagon roundabouts are great.  we have em in indy.  they should be everywhere lol
02:45 Monkeh|Lap wannabe1987: Assuming people know WTF they're doing, they allow traffic to flow properly :P
02:45 Monkeh|Lap Unfortunately, drivers are idiots.
02:45 wannabe1987 yes....you're assuming too much about MI/USA
02:45 Monkeh|Lap Oh, please, try the roads over here
02:46 tonsofpcs Yo, I heard you like roundabouts, so I built a roundabout round your roundabout on your roundabout.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_%28Swindon%29
02:46 BotSteve Title: Magic Roundabout (Swindon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:46 tehdark45 they cant even drive on the right side in the uk ;)
02:46 Carvagon lol that roundabout is epic lol
02:46 wannabe1987 Monkeh, i've been on them, they wouldn't let me drive
02:47 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: That thing is insanity.
02:47 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Hush, you, our system works better.
02:47 tonsofpcs Monkeh|Lap: no, insanity is putting a burger stand in the middle :-p
02:47 wannabe1987 lol
02:48 tonsofpcs wait, this thing isn't even on solid ground?!
02:48 tonsofpcs we have a nice sized roundabout here but the signage andd painting are horrible so if you've never driven a roundabout before you're lost, and if you follow the signs you hit someone
02:49 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: Thankfully, over here they're normal.
02:49 Katemonster anyone here got any first-hand knowledge re: XULrunner?
02:49 Monkeh|Lap If you want to get lost, try a left-hand merger.
02:49 SparkyProjects1 tonsofpcs: you should watch a few vids about the magic roundabout (people going round it)
02:49 SparkyProjects1 I lived about 30 miles from it, but haven't been round it (i'm about 100 miles from it now)
02:49 Monkeh|Lap Katemonster: Unfortunately.
02:49 tonsofpcs http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Roundabout_interchange&amp;params=42_6_25_N_75_57_59_W_&amp;title=Johnson+City%2C+New+York
02:49 BotSteve Title: GeoHack - Johnson City, New York
02:50 Monkeh|Lap SparkyProjects1: You could go around that thing for a very long time just to piss people off.
02:50 tonsofpcs note that half of the inflow lanes don't line up with the circle flow lanes at all...
02:50 SparkyProjects1 Others would be too busy trying to work out where they're going to be concerned about you :P
02:51 Monkeh|Lap Actually, yank roundabouts would be a royal pain for me
02:51 Monkeh|Lap My left eye is worthless.
02:51 tonsofpcs you can turn your hhead....
02:51 tonsofpcs go to germany and learn to drive :-p
02:51 tehdark45 you can use glasses
02:52 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs:  Yes, I know, but you'd be surprised how far I have to turn my head to get any detail. :P
02:52 tonsofpcs not really, no.
02:52 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: Ahahahah, you obviously don't suffer from any real eyesight issues :P
02:52 tonsofpcs unless it's over about 170 degrees....
02:52 SparkyProjects1 yons, just think of it as several noemal roundabouts joined together, you have to start going round an outer disc before you can go through the middle, that helps keep the flow in the right direction
02:52 tonsofpcs my left eye is slowly degrading....
02:53 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects1: oh, I'm well aware of how to navigate it, it just seems liike overkill
02:53 tonsofpcs actually, let me rephrase:  my right eye is slowly degrading, my left eye is going much faster.
02:54 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: My eyes aren't degrading, they're just shit.
02:54 Monkeh|Lap Left eye cannot read printed text. Even with glasses.
02:55 Monkeh|Lap Not without a lot of strain anyway.
02:55 tonsofpcs neitther of my eyes can read this IRC window alone...
02:55 Monkeh|Lap My right can, given time to adjust to not having correction.
02:55 tonsofpcs my right eyye is far sighted, my left eye is aspherical but mostly near sighted
02:56 wannabe1987 yay!  my best friend got engaged
02:56 tehdark45 wannabe1987, i didnt get engaged
02:56 tehdark45 :P
02:56 tonsofpcs and by far sighted, I mean relatively to the other, not relative to reality
02:57 tonsofpcs my bed (about 20' away) is in focus, the poster on the other side of it cannot...
02:57 tonsofpcs for my other eye, my shoulder is in focus, my hand is not....
02:57 Monkeh|Lap tonsofpcs: I suffer from both myopia and astigmatism.
02:58 tehdark45 was kicked by wannabe1987: you are not my best friend
02:58 wannabe1987 ok
02:58 wannabe1987 thats my first one......
02:58 wannabe1987 now that i know how.....
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02:58 wannabe1987 :evil grin:
02:58 wannabe1987 hi!
02:59 tehdark45 :(
02:59 tehdark45 i'm telling my mom!
02:59 wannabe1987 1. i have not known you since 3rd grade 2. you are not female 3. you do not have a masters in implied mathmatics
02:59 tehdark45 you mean applied?
02:59 wannabe1987 yes
02:59 tehdark45 ok
02:59 wannabe1987 i don't know. she's going for a doctorate next
03:00 wannabe1987 "applied and computational methematics"
03:00 tehdark45 ah
03:02 tehdark45 i was 3 when you were in grade 3
03:02 tehdark45 :P
03:03 wannabe1987 and she was in grade 2
03:04 tehdark45 you were in gr 3 in 94 right?
03:05 wannabe1987 prolly
03:05 tonsofpcs I was in grade 3 in 93/94...
03:05 tehdark45 are you 26?
03:05 tonsofpcs no.
03:05 tehdark45 25?
03:05 tonsofpcs no
03:05 tehdark45 so prob no then
03:05 tehdark45 lol
03:06 * tonsofpcs was born in 1985 but already had his birthday this year
03:07 tonsofpcs I did the quick math of "I graduated HS in 2003 so I must have been in second grade in 92/93"
03:07 wannabe1987 i grad hs in 05
03:07 wannabe1987 tehdark45: figure it out
03:07 wannabe1987 i won't
03:07 tehdark45 lol
03:08 tehdark45 2005-12 = 1993 + 3 = 1996
03:08 tehdark45 we have solved the mystery
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03:13 wannabe1987 hi
03:13 rubbersideup hi
03:13 wannabe1987 how are you?
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03:14 rubbersideup good and you?
03:14 wannabe1987 doing well
03:15 rubbersideup how was your interview?
03:16 wannabe1987 havne't heard back :(
03:17 tehdark45 did you call?
03:17 wannabe1987 no, i'm calling my other jobs boss and talking to him tomorrow
03:17 rubbersideup well keep your fingers crossed.
03:17 wannabe1987 my toes are crossed too.  i'm having issues walking....
03:17 tehdark45 we'll do it
03:18 tehdark45 the difference an apostophe makes
03:20 rubbersideup was it busy at the lab  today?
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03:28 rubbersideup captain's blog idea ... camera on omni
03:31 rubbersideup byby
03:58 Carvagon it got quite lol
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04:03 tehdark45 quiet*
04:04 Carvagon lol ive been working for 30 hours i could care less about spelling right now lol
04:04 tehdark45 lol
04:05 wannabe1987 ..........
04:05 Carvagon those damn errorists are after me
04:05 wannabe1987 mhm
04:05 tehdark45 terrorists*
04:05 tehdark45 :P
04:06 Carvagon haha
04:08 wannabe1987 http://media-cache-ec0.pinterest.com/upload/139119075959422871_dube9XoF_c.jpg
04:08 wannabe1987 i'm listening :P  kinda....
04:14 wannabe1987 yay time for dessert!
04:14 wannabe1987 hijacking tomorrow at 8pm
04:20 LittleCreature o.O
04:21 tehdark45 radio show
04:21 tehdark45 lol
04:21 tehdark45 thats 8pm est, incase you didnt know
04:24 Carvagon *20:00 est
04:25 LittleCreature 01:00 UTC
04:25 LittleCreature hmm
04:26 BatSteve tehdark45: it's not EST right now, it's EDT
04:26 LittleCreature its EDT right now though
04:26 BatSteve that would be 0000 UTC
04:26 tehdark45 fuck DST :P
04:26 Carvagon ^^yup
04:27 tehdark45 it is not needed anymore
04:27 tehdark45 we dont go outside anyway
04:27 tehdark45 lol
04:27 tehdark45 bye BatSteve-Away
04:27 BatSteve-Away seeya!
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04:28 Toastdude Wb
04:31 wannabe1987 thx
04:34 LittleCreature daleks and winston churchhill!
04:35 wannabe1987 exterminate
04:35 Toastdude Love that episode..
04:38 wannabe1987 whats the difference between cosplay and dressing up?
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04:38 Carvagon whether you get candy for it or not
04:39 wannabe1987 lol
04:39 LittleCreature the day of the year?
04:40 wannabe1987 hi kate
04:40 tehdark45 cosplay is adults dressing up
04:40 Katemonster hello.
04:40 wannabe1987 http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/zip/3058107873.html  o.O
04:40 BotSteve Title: Free
04:40 wannabe1987 so for halloween, when i dress up, its cosplay, not dressing up?
04:40 tehdark45 duno
04:40 tehdark45 um is that guy like the washing machine horder?
04:41 wannabe1987 i dont know
04:41 tehdark45 tgg could use a couple
04:41 tehdark45 for coin wash
04:41 Carvagon yup
04:41 tehdark45 call up batman. get the truck
04:41 wannabe1987 lol
04:43 Carvagon you could make some nice polishers out of em
04:43 wannabe1987 crap. i can't post on bodens wall
04:43 Carvagon send a pm
04:43 wannabe1987 did
04:43 Carvagon lol nevermind
04:45 tehdark45 probably too many noobs posting shit on it
04:46 tehdark45 when you have 1000+ friends, it is bound to happeb
04:46 tehdark45 happen*
04:47 Monkeh|Lap ...
04:47 Carvagon thats why i pm him lol
04:47 Monkeh|Lap How long before someone throws a brick in one of those at the lab?
04:47 Monkeh|Lap (and begins the next Photonicinwhiny shitstorm)
04:48 tehdark45 Cuse those are toploaders
04:48 tehdark45 :P
04:48 Monkeh|Lap tehdark45: That makes it science.
04:48 Monkeh|Lap We haven't seen a brick thrown in a toploader yet.
04:48 Carvagon lol
04:49 tehdark45 put a midgit in it, on spin
04:49 Carvagon dont think it would do much
04:49 Carvagon the midgit yes lol
04:49 Monkeh|Lap Carvagon: Oh, trust me, it'd do plenty.
04:50 Carvagon centripetal force would just throw it to the outside wouldnt it?
04:51 Monkeh|Lap Depends on the size.
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04:52 Monkeh|Lap But I admit, most toploaders would not be as amusing.
04:52 Monkeh|Lap Are top loaders still the norm over there?
04:53 tehdark45 they are 50/50
04:54 tehdark45 we dont have our washers in the kitchen monkeh
04:54 tehdark45 not normally anyway
04:54 Monkeh|Lap That's because you have unusually large homes.
04:54 Monkeh|Lap They're still less efficient.
04:54 Katemnstr_Macpup Sweeeeeet.  Katemonster has her second machine up and running.
04:54 tehdark45 you have unusually small (and expensive) homes
04:54 tehdark45 :P
04:55 Carvagon front loaders are growing in popularity but i highly discourage them
04:55 Monkeh|Lap Why?
04:57 Carvagon they are not as energy efficient as they claim to be and the tend to hold water that then begins to smell and you cannot get it out without taking it completely apart
04:57 Monkeh|Lap If they hold water after a rinse, they're faulty.
04:57 Monkeh|Lap They use half as much water.
04:58 Carvagon but use twice as much electricity.  they run twice as long
04:58 Monkeh|Lap They don't have to.
04:58 Monkeh|Lap They also cause less wear to the clothes.
04:58 Monkeh|Lap And won't somebody please think of the midgets?
04:58 Carvagon lol
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05:01 * tehdark45 thinks of midgits
05:01 tehdark45 ok now what?
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05:06 Katemonster oh dear.
05:07 wannabe1987 ?
05:07 Katemonster Macpup died in a fire.
05:07 wannabe1987 thats no good
05:07 wannabe1987 whats macpup?
05:07 tehdark45 its like a big mac
05:08 tehdark45 but small
05:08 Katemonster very very light linux distro for very old, underpowered PCs.
05:10 Katemonster tehdark45!  are you a linux person?
05:10 tehdark45 not really
05:10 tehdark45 lol
05:13 Katemonster damn.
05:13 tehdark45 what is the problem?
05:17 Coderjoe oh yeah, baby. go.
05:17 Coderjoe ooh. three-way
05:19 tehdark45 Coderjoe, wrong window?
05:19 tehdark45 lol
05:19 Coderjoe latest CB video
05:19 tehdark45 ah
05:19 tehdark45 lol
05:19 wannabe1987 lol that cracked me up SO MUCH i couldn't stop laughing
05:20 tehdark45 my scarcasm alarm is beeping
05:20 tehdark45 i cant tell why
05:20 tehdark45 :P
05:23 wannabe1987 i'm nto sure either....it did make me laugh
05:23 tehdark45 generally when you put SO MUCH in caps it shows sarcasm.
05:23 tehdark45 lol
05:23 Carvagon WORK IS GREAT
05:24 tehdark45 oh Carvagon has gone into denial mode
05:24 tehdark45 ;)
05:24 Carvagon hahaha
05:24 wannabe1987 shhhhh
05:24 wannabe1987 ahhh*
05:24 wannabe1987 see.  i didn't know that....
05:24 tehdark45 the more you know (tm)
05:24 wannabe1987 anyway its 1:20am and i'm going to sleep.  night
05:25 tehdark45 bye wannabe1987
05:25 wannabe1987 behave
05:25 tehdark45 ok
05:25 * tehdark45 misbehaves
05:25 wannabe-zz i don't think you know what "behave" means....
05:26 * exor674 beehives instead!
05:27 wannabe-zz lol dredre i trust you.....
05:29 * tehdark45 does bad stuff
05:30 wannabe-zz thats what CaptainNiobe is for.....when i can't be here :)
05:30 tehdark45 she would probably jon in
05:30 tehdark45 :P
05:30 tehdark45 join*
05:31 * CaptainNiobe swears she will mute tehdark45 for a good half hour+ if he misbehaves
05:32 tehdark45 :P
05:32 tehdark45 hi CaptainNiobe
05:32 CaptainNiobe i notice no comment to the contrary.... :P
05:32 CaptainNiobe and hey :)
05:33 CaptainNiobe btw, thinking of heading down to hsbne tonight, so if i gotta mute before i go or while i'm at the space, i ain't unmuting until i get home... :D
05:33 tehdark45 ill just do the stuff while you are there
05:33 tehdark45 :P
05:35 CaptainNiobe you cvan if you want, but bear in mind i will have my laptop and will be opped... :) (ohhhh, i r evil! :P )
05:36 Thermoelectric Hehe
05:36 tehdark45 Anyone notice that the OP is baised to australians?
05:36 tehdark45 lol
05:39 tehdark45 well
05:39 tehdark45 maybe not
05:42 CaptainNiobe tehdark45, Thermoelectric hasn't said anything about misbehaving... :D
05:42 tehdark45 cool
05:42 * tehdark45 does really bad things
05:42 tehdark45 :P
05:42 Thermoelectric So far, because I'm not paying attention. :P
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05:55 * Thermoelectric keeps attempting to study for maths exam
05:56 tehdark45 fun
05:59 Thermoelectric Yeah...
06:24 Cprossu good day today
06:24 Cprossu .seen egrsteve
06:24 BotSteve Cprossu: I last saw egrsteve 105.06 hours ago at 2012-05-31 21:21:19 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 06:24:48 UTC
06:26 Cprossu BotSteve: tell egrsteve got those 16 rg59's hooked in to the bluecherry, they provide a rather nice strain relief to the bluecherry inputs too :)  your crimp tool and BNC's are near your weapons of foam mass destruction
06:26 BotSteve Cprossu: I'll pass that on when egrsteve is around.
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06:35 Electricguy morning :P
06:40 Thermoelectric Morning Electricguy
06:40 Thermoelectric You've got a clone, electricguy_
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06:47 Electricguy thermo, yeah, my lab computer
06:48 Thermoelectric Ahh, okay. Hard to tell when they don't talk. :P
06:48 Electricguy lol :P
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07:01 LemPhone it's fucking cold here atm
07:01 LemPhone windchill really isn't helping either
07:01 LemPhone .weather ybbn
07:01 BotSteve Clear ☼, 16℃, 1005mb, Fresh breeze 16kt (↑) - YBBN 06:30Z
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07:19 Katemonster electricguy
07:20 LemPhone fucking winter :-(
07:20 Katemonster ....
07:20 LemPhone too damned cold atm
07:20 Katemonster Australia has a winter?
07:20 LemPhone yes, yes it does
07:20 LemPhone some parts of it get pretty damned cold
07:20 Katemonster I thought it literally does not ever snow anywhere in Oz.
07:21 LemPhone brisbane today isn't horrendously cold, but it's windy
07:21 LemPhone nah, there are plenty of places where it snows in oz
07:21 Katemonster Windy is never good.  I feel your pain there.
07:21 Katemonster Ah.
07:21 LemPhone hobart gets snow down to sea level every couple of years
07:21 LemPhone and often gets snow in the hills around the cbd
07:22 LemPhone melbournes had snow a few times, as has adelaide
07:22 LemPhone mountains behind sydney are snowed on every year
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07:25 Katemonster MEDIIIIIIIIIIIC
07:26 LemPhone ...?
07:26 Katemonster FaithlessZealot is my medic.  Long story.  Don't ask.
07:27 LemPhone lol
07:27 LemPhone TF2 or IRL?
07:27 Katemonster IRL.
07:28 LemPhone cool
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08:42 Experimentonomen g'mornin peepz
08:46 Hackbat goodmorning to yourself >:C
08:48 Twiddlekins_ a rather indifferent evening here
08:49 Electricguy Katemonster
08:50 Hackbat I start my new job today and I've not had any sleep
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08:55 Electricguy i'll bbl
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11:50 * CaptainNiobe wonders if tehdark45 behaved himself or whether he deserves a muting :D
11:53 BitViper wait, tehdark and behave in the same sentence ?
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12:10 Seroster Got a fan with four wires, protective earth, blue, black and brown.  Here blue and brown are the commonly used ones. Suggestions on what the black might do?
12:12 Seroster brown 180ohms to blue and black 160ohms to blue. I assume there is more coils in the brown winding, making black the low speed?
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12:28 Seroster O. Found out that black-brown was starting cap
12:28 * Experimentonomen builds a 16x32 science center in minecraft
12:29 * BitViper secretly builds a supercomputer under the science center
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14:10 tlockley plop
14:10 Sasha__ lolpol
14:11 Twiddlekins_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar7G-Fp64og "they've even bodged the bodge board" oh man, that's some quality bodge work right there
14:11 BotSteve Title: EEVblog #287 - Handifax 1000 Teardown - YouTube
14:11 tlockley lol, dave jones is a silly aussie
14:11 Twiddlekins_ yes, yes he is
14:11 Twiddlekins_ as am i
14:12 Twiddlekins_ although my inflection doesnt seem to rise with every single word
14:12 tlockley i really should just subscripe to his channel by now
14:12 Seroster A fan, some misc wiring, a capacitor, some duct tape and some 10cm diameter cardboard tube and I got a hookah smoke extractor =)
14:12 tlockley aaaaaand now my uni tells me that my CPUs showed up
14:13 Seroster Oh, and a 10cm duct fan... Dumpster find
14:13 tlockley and what maight i ask are you up to with that Seroster
14:13 tlockley ?
14:13 Seroster As a matter of fact the cardboard tube and the capacitor are also garbage finds =)
14:14 Seroster tlockley, Some hookah smoking?
14:14 tlockley thats what i thought
14:14 Seroster I got really nice non-nicotine spearmint tobacco
14:14 Seroster What's in it now is 75% spearmint 25% apple
14:14 tlockley cool
14:14 tlockley I wish i had some smokes, but im broke as a joke right now
14:15 Seroster Btw
14:15 Seroster Lighting the coal was too easy when you got an insane draft =P
14:15 Seroster Lighter and then hold the coal near the extractor and WOOSH it's red xD
14:15 tlockley dang
14:16 tlockley I honesly have never really smioked a hookah before
14:16 tlockley *smoked
14:16 tlockley shit i cant type this early
14:16 Seroster It's really nice actually
14:16 BitViper ok how do i leave a message for someone with the bot ?
14:17 tlockley so i have been told
14:17 Seroster I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy social hookah smoking, not to mention I love the feeling of smoking
14:17 Seroster BotSteve, tell BitViper like dis
14:17 BotSteve Seroster: I'll pass that on when BitViper is around.
14:17 Seroster The smoke is damn smooth
14:17 BitViper Seroster ok
14:17 BotSteve bitviper: I have the following messages for you:
14:17 BotSteve At 14:17Z, Seroster asked me to tell bitviper like dis
14:17 BitViper oh thanks BotSteve =P
14:18 Seroster The one I'm using  now is the remains of three dead ones
14:18 Seroster thanks BotSteve
14:18 BotSteve Happy to help, Seroster
14:19 BitViper BotSteve tell wannabe-zz tomorow's good, pls txt me when youre up if im not in here
14:19 * BitViper smacks BotSteve
14:19 Seroster BitViper, you can get one on ebay for like ten bucks
14:19 Seroster you need the comma
14:19 Seroster botsteve, tell
14:19 BitViper oh, cripes, touchy
14:19 Seroster BitViper, a very important thing is that you get one that is tight, or seal the one you got up
14:20 BitViper what are you talking about ?
14:20 BitViper BotSteve, tell wannabe-zz tomorow's good, pls txt me when youre up if im not in here
14:20 BotSteve BitViper: I'll pass that on when wannabe1987 is around.
14:20 Seroster BitViper, Sorry, was thinkin bout tlockley =P
14:20 Seroster I'm slightly oxygen deprived atm
14:21 * BitViper thinks Seroster has been smoking too much of sumfin this morning =P
14:21 Seroster Actually
14:21 mantere i'm thinking of making something similar to this old mod http://metku.net/index.html?path=mods/transtft/index_eng4 from two 19" monitors.
14:21 BotSteve Title: 15" TFT panel transformed to something more aesthetic; TransTFT mod by MetkuMods - Because you love your hardware!
14:22 Seroster When I was walking home with it strapped to my backpack a dude walked up to me and asked if I wanted to buy some weed to put in it... Kinda told him to go suck a tailpipe and then called the police (who picked him up ten minutes later, LOL!)
14:22 tlockley you should post a pic of the finihed device
14:22 tlockley Seroster:
14:22 tlockley Seroster: is mj illegal in sweeden?
14:22 Seroster Yes
14:23 Seroster Selling it is very illegal
14:23 Sasha__ I can't believe you called the police tho....
14:23 Seroster Police don't care much about users though
14:23 Seroster Sasha__, He creeped me out
14:23 tlockley that is what i thought
14:24 tlockley honestly if someone just came up to me and asked if i wanted some MJ i would have done the same thing
14:24 Seroster Also, he was driving a REALLY nice mercedes and had a middle age lady in a feather boa with a chihuahua in her lap. I think he can take the fine =)
14:24 Sasha__ You guys obviously never go out to town
14:25 Carvagon he should have goen to jail for the chihuahua
14:25 Seroster I have no problem with people seeking up dealers and buying, but when the dealer comes to you... That's trying to get people hooked. Screw him =P
14:25 Carvagon *gone
14:25 Seroster Carvagon, Yep!
14:25 tlockley not true, I have had plenty of deals with some sketchy people and I would not have bought from hom
14:25 tlockley him
14:25 * tlockley hates the freaking apple chicklet keyboards
14:25 Seroster This channel is publically logged and probably not a great place to discuss this
14:25 Seroster #tgg:NSFW folks =P
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15:03 BitViper look at what you did Seroster, you killed the channel =P
15:08 Electricguy honk!
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15:09 BitViper squeek
15:09 Electricguy latest CB is shite..
15:10 tlockley i kinda expected it to be so considering the title
15:10 Electricguy lol
15:12 * Electricguy wonders what to do with his totally bad ass optical UV fire detector..
15:12 Electricguy i detects fire really good..
15:13 Electricguy but not UV from a UV light i got or from the sun...
15:55 Seroster SparkyProjects!
15:55 Seroster Sup old man?
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16:02 SparkyProjects Hi
16:20 Sgt_Lemming wow. there is a fucking LOT of product placement in the smurf movie
16:23 * Experimentonomen is having fun: http://i.imgur.com/Z1zYF.png
16:25 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/WYSqR.png
16:33 wannabe-zz .seen BitViper
16:33 BotSteve wannabe1987: I have the following messages for you:
16:33 BotSteve At 14:20Z, BitViper asked me to tell wannabe1987 tomorow's good, pls txt me when youre up if im not in here
16:33 BotSteve wannabe-zz: I last saw BitViper 1.41 hours ago at 2012-06-05 15:09:02 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 16:33:41 UTC
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16:35 BitViper g'mourning wannabe-zz
16:35 wannabe-zz hi
16:36 * Electricguy just had noms :3
16:36 wannabe1987 i texted you via gv
16:36 BitViper yep got it
16:36 Electricguy anyone wanna have a check inside the extremely weird fire detector? :P
16:36 Electricguy can stream it.. :)
16:37 Electricguy meh, wtf.. i'll toss it up anyways :P
16:38 electricguy_ ok it's up.. :) www.ustream.tv/channel/electricguy
16:40 BitViper egg, put it up on gs
16:40 electricguy_ have parted from that channel :)
16:40 BitViper O_O
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16:47 Sgt_Lemming lol, one of the smurfs flies an AR drone
16:51 wannabe1987 hilem
16:53 Sgt_Lemming hi wannabe1987
16:53 Sgt_Lemming watching "The Smurfs"
16:53 Sgt_Lemming the CG/live action movie from last year
16:53 wannabe1987 ah
16:54 Sgt_Lemming it's ok, but zomg there is a lot of product placement
16:56 wannabe1987 like?
16:56 Sgt_Lemming there are a number of scenes with cabs in them
16:56 Sgt_Lemming and the signs on top of the cabs are for other movies and blu ray discs
16:56 wannabe1987 lol
16:56 Sgt_Lemming and because the smurfs are standing next to the sign, it's MASSIVE and fills the entire screen
16:58 BitViper *facepalm*
17:01 Sgt_Lemming http://i.imgur.com/FMXlH.jpg <--- case in point
17:01 wannabe1987 lol
17:01 Sgt_Lemming and a few seconds later it's EVEN bigger
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17:21 Sgt_Lemming http://imgur.com/gallery/SUSwT
17:21 BotSteve Title: Those darn birds - Imgur
17:22 wannabe1987 lol
17:25 Sgt_Lemming night all
17:25 wannabe1987 night lem
17:25 Sgt_Lemming <--- sleepy lemming
17:25 Electricguy night
18:01 Seroster I love autosol!
18:03 * Seroster giggles and begins polishing the dull side of a square meter of alu foil
18:03 BitViper ut oh
18:06 SparkyProjects Seroster, do you know why the dull side of foil is dull ?
18:06 Seroster Yep
18:06 Electricguy oxide?
18:06 Seroster They roll two pieces of foil at the same time
18:06 Seroster One sheet is too thin to roll
18:06 Electricguy pointless to polish it as it's going to be dull again tomorrow...
18:07 SparkyProjects Ah, you must have watched the same programme :D
18:07 Seroster No, electricguy, won't dull faster than the silver side =)
18:08 Seroster Ohyes, I love programmes such as modern marvels and how it's made, however, in the latter example I just like to cuss at the narrator for confusing drills with endmills and soldering with welding =)
18:08 SparkyProjects :P
18:10 Seroster My friend, trying to be deep always asked a lot of questions like "Why do pubs have parking lots?" and "Why do sport equipment stores have handicap parking spaces" and "why is alu foil shiny on one side and dull on the other? Why not make both shiny?" - and I actually researched all of his idiotic questions to the point I could give him a reply to each one and shut him up =P
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18:23 Seroster_ AAARGH
18:24 Seroster Damn extension/multiplication cords
18:24 Seroster I hate it when people rivet electrical stuff together, had to trash this one due to a bad connection in it
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18:34 Electricguy or you can just drill the rivets out and replace them with screws.. :P
18:39 Seroster Oooor I just get a heap of new ones the next time a friend of a friend dies
18:39 Seroster My girlfriends grandmothers new husbands mother died, and she had at least a dozen power strips in her apartment.
18:40 Seroster In essence, I help clear out the apartment, then take anything left of value and take it home
18:40 Seroster She also had an extra freezer, some nice chairs and a lot of copper and brass cookware ^^
18:42 Electricguy glue some gears on it and call it steampunk!! :D
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18:48 * wannabe1987 is getting shit sorted out at her job....
18:48 wannabe1987 i called the BOSS MAN
18:49 BitViper sorting shit ... need a plunger
18:49 wannabe1987 yeah...theres one in the bathroom
18:50 wannabe1987 my schedule is *completely* open, yet i only get one and a half days a week
18:50 wannabe1987 completely unacceptable
18:50 wannabe1987 i cannot make a living off working 6 shifts a month
18:51 BitViper ew
18:52 wannabe1987 ?
18:52 BitViper your sched, or lack of
18:53 wannabe1987 yeah.  every thursday, every other saturday.
18:53 Carvagon you would be better off delivering newspapers
18:55 wannabe1987 and honestly, most i do is push my client in his wheel chair and do yard work for him....last sat i had to "cat wrangle" and i'm allergic to cats!
18:57 Electricguy DO WANT! http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/25/symbol-technologies-wt4000-series-wearable-computer/
18:57 BotSteve Title: Symbol Technologies WT4000 series wearable computer -- Engadget
19:00 wannabe1987 look!  a '"vintage" webcam
19:00 wannabe1987 http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/zip/3009120643.html
19:00 BotSteve Title: Vintage WebCam
19:00 wannabe1987 i didn't know they had webcams back in the 50s and 60s!
19:01 Electricguy lol
19:01 wannabe1987 dude, its just "old".  drop it off at the geek group, we'll shove it in the museum space
19:01 Electricguy judging from the connector.. a mac webcam
19:01 Electricguy mac used to have serial port cams.. 1080p HD.. :P
19:08 wannabe1987 why is everything integrated wiht facebook these days?!
19:14 Electricguy because it sux ballz? :P
19:15 Electricguy GOT COFFEE! :3
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19:16 Toastdude Hi
19:16 Electricguy howdy toast
19:16 wannabe1987 hi
19:17 Toastdude How are you?
19:17 wannabe1987 awake
19:17 Electricguy thats.. a start :P
19:18 Electricguy i'm tired, got headache.. NO IDEA why! only know that it's damn annoying.. lol
19:18 wannabe1987 i even called the boss of my employer and started a conversation about how i'm not getting hours i want
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19:23 Toastdude Hi Lee
19:23 wannabe1987 its a lee!
19:23 lwq1996 yo
19:23 lwq1996 i slept from 9am to 2
19:23 Electricguy aaah it's a me, Mario! :D
19:23 Electricguy hi Lee :P
19:24 wannabe1987 lee:congrats
19:24 lwq1996 im offically a 10th grader and able to go to gactc
19:25 wannabe1987 oh noes!  like how Toastdude is a 9th grader or something crazy?
19:25 wannabe1987 ya'lls getting older
19:25 wannabe1987 stop!
19:25 wannabe1987 :P
19:25 Toastdude Haha :P
19:25 lwq1996 lol your getting old and wrinkly too wannabe1987
19:25 lwq1996 :P
19:25 wannabe1987 shhhh
19:25 wannabe1987 i hide them!
19:25 Toastdude http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=417177838303233&amp;set=a.367134353307582.83639.367116489976035&amp;type=1&amp;permPage=1
19:25 BotSteve Title: Wall Photos | Facebook
19:25 lwq1996 i wanted to say something but thought it would be inappropriate
19:26 lwq1996 i cant wait to go to gactc
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19:46 wannabe1987 hi dh8dl
19:46 wannabe1987 lwq1996, what is gatac?
19:46 wannabe1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09RUuTAM2H0
19:46 BotSteve Title: Bourne Vivaldi (Bourne Soundtrack/Vivaldi Double Cello Concerto) - ThePianoGuys - YouTube
19:47 * wannabe1987 is rocking out to cello music
19:49 wannabe1987 i love how the full size piano is in each shot.....they moved it there.....
19:49 wannabe1987 cello is easier to move than a full size piano!
19:49 wannabe1987 and teh piano has a clear top!
19:50 lwq1996 BOOO CELLO
19:50 Carvagon lol im blasting metallica and the san fran orchestra
19:50 wannabe1987 HEY NOW
19:50 lwq1996 :P
19:51 wannabe1987 not bad Carvagon.  theres also apocalyptica....
19:51 wannabe1987 damn finns....
19:51 Carvagon some of their stuff is alright
19:52 Carvagon thats long drive music
19:52 wannabe1987 i can't play music in the car...my tape player doesn't work for adapters and the radio doesn't play that kind of music
19:53 wannabe1987 why, i don't know.  it just doesn't
19:53 lwq1996 year?
19:53 Carvagon haha im pretty sure i can come across a car stereo with cd and auxiliary input pretty easily
19:54 Electricguy tape.. long time since i saw a tape deck in a car :P
19:54 lwq1996 lol. my 2003 explorer has a tape deck
19:55 wannabe1987 its a 97....
19:55 Electricguy lol
19:55 Electricguy it's pretty funny really as car stereos with CD came back in the 80's..
19:55 Carvagon lol a 97 uhaul?  trash truck? russian satellite?
19:56 lwq1996 uhaul :P
19:56 wannabe1987 ford escort
19:56 Carvagon i think we can all be glad that laser discs didnt catch on
19:56 Carvagon ill see what i can find
19:57 wannabe1987 for free?
19:57 Electricguy LOL!
19:57 Carvagon buddy owns a stereo shop.  ill see if he has any old demo models or spares layin around
19:57 Electricguy laserdisc in a car would be epic :P
19:57 Carvagon lol it would be sweet
19:57 wannabe1987 i am completely broke....i'm buying eggs off a friend for $2 in pennies tonight
19:57 Carvagon no way in hell u would be able to hang those from the sun visor
19:58 Electricguy XD
19:58 Experimentonomen Electricguy: http://i.imgur.com/Z1zYF.png
19:58 Electricguy lol! :P
19:58 Electricguy nice work :)
19:58 * mantere is hunting high and low.
19:58 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/WYSqR.png
19:59 Electricguy hehe :D
19:59 Electricguy what is the purpose of that "plant"? :P
19:59 Experimentonomen can u guess the size ?
19:59 Electricguy the size of what? :P
19:59 Experimentonomen the building ;p
20:00 Electricguy ahh.. :P
20:00 Electricguy well.. 6 stories down? :P
20:00 Experimentonomen only two stories
20:00 Electricguy okey :P
20:00 Electricguy always a very good start :D
20:00 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/Enbzp.png <-- trhe top floor
20:00 wannabe1987 well, i'm getting more shifts....
20:01 wannabe1987 i have an orientation for a quad on friday at NINE AM and a shift SATURDAY from 3p-11p
20:01 Electricguy nice exp :P
20:01 wannabe1987 .c 9.5*8
20:01 BotSteve 76
20:01 wannabe1987 not bad
20:05 * wannabe1987 grabs a gun and shoots the ice cream truck speakers
20:05 Electricguy LOL!
20:05 * wannabe1987 gets dressed
20:05 * Electricguy hands over his EMP gun to wannabe
20:05 wannabe1987 ?
20:06 wannabe1987 whats an emp?
20:06 lwq1996 electro magnetic palse
20:07 lwq1996 pulse
20:07 wannabe1987 I LOST THE GAME :D
20:09 wannabe1987 quick.  give me an impossible problem to solve
20:09 Toastdude I hate you right now, Kelly! :P
20:09 wannabe1987 why?!
20:09 wannabe1987 i'm not solving it!  the joker is!
20:09 wannabe1987 he's run out of things to think of
20:10 wannabe1987 and you're welcome, Toastdude
20:10 Toastdude :P
20:11 wannabe1987 i told him to build stomper in minecraft
20:12 BitViper LOL, should totally do that
20:12 wannabe1987 shrink bricks
20:12 Electricguy hard.. :P
20:12 Electricguy as you can't compress blocks :P
20:12 Electricguy at least without mods
20:12 lwq1996 wannabe1987: square root of 69
20:12 wannabe1987 he's got mods, i'm sure of it....
20:13 wannabe1987 he doesn't have a screen, so minecraft is a bit difficult, yes
20:13 Electricguy lwq: 8.30
20:13 lwq1996 damnit
20:14 wannabe1987 ?
20:15 Electricguy LOL! XD http://www.damnlol.com/i/4f1c1875020fa010bbf423615690fc10.jpg
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20:17 wannabe1987 thats my cue to leave.... tehdark45 came in....;P
20:17 wannabe1987 :P*
20:18 tehdark45 that's
20:18 tehdark45 :P
20:18 Carvagon http://www.safetysign.com/Facility+ID+Signs/Silly+Signs/K1342/7631.html
20:18 BotSteve Title: Notice No Smoking Unless You're On Fire Signs, Silly Signs, K1342
20:19 wannabe1987 lab  needs that sign, btw
20:21 Carvagon lol they need a bunch of those signs
20:21 tehdark45 lol
20:24 tehdark45 so did you leave yet wannabe1987 ?
20:24 tehdark45 :P
20:25 lwq1996 BASTARD TOOK MY MONEY
20:25 lwq1996 he better not spend it
20:26 tehdark45 who took the monies lwq1996
20:26 lwq1996 bitch of a brother
20:27 tehdark45 just tell you mom?
20:27 tehdark45 lol
20:28 tehdark45 lwq1996, how much?
20:31 lwq1996 25dollars. i pointed an airsoft pistol at his nuts
20:31 tehdark45 doesnt he know bros before hoes?
20:32 tehdark45 aka take it from his hoe
20:32 Carvagon or shoot him in his hose
20:33 lwq1996 he gave it back. he knew i was serious. i shot him in the foot
20:33 tehdark45 lol
20:33 tehdark45 the secret is bank account
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20:35 tehdark45 i'm still here wannabe1987 :P
20:35 wannabe1987 eh.  its ok
20:37 wannabe1987 i had to leave and headed to the lab....
20:37 tehdark45 that was quick
20:38 Carvagon she has the tunnel remember
20:40 tehdark45 you sure it is not just a car?
20:40 Electricguy lol! http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/543028_428904587130558_485757486_n.jpg
20:42 wannabe1987 i stopped by the store too
20:44 Damianz Hi wannabe, teh dark, electric.
20:44 wannabe1987 hi dz!
20:45 tehdark45 Damianz, have you heard of tab?
20:45 Carvagon lol the drink?
20:45 wannabe1987 the tab key on your keybaord
20:45 wannabe1987 will allow you to autocomplete nick names in irc
20:45 wannabe1987 it is very nifty to have
20:46 tehdark45 i put wa + tab and get wannabe1987
20:48 Damianz Tab is painful, that requires moving my fingers to a place they don't wanna me and it's more funny that way.
20:48 wannabe1987 or te + tab = tehdark45
20:48 wannabe1987 you must have a strange keyboard
20:49 tehdark45 umm if you move right pink up and left you get to tab
20:49 tehdark45 pinky*
20:51 tehdark45 wannabe1987, you need te h to make tehdark45
20:51 wannabe1987 not really....
20:51 wannabe1987 i get you before anyone else...
20:52 tehdark45 oh you tab until you get the right nick
20:52 wannabe1987 you can
20:52 tehdark45 mine just gives me a list
20:52 tehdark45 if there is more than one
20:53 Damianz I have to tab multiple times if there is more than one.
20:53 tehdark45 has anyone ever talked to tesla4d?
20:53 wannabe1987 yeah
20:54 wannabe1987 dude.  i've talked to just about everyone here
20:54 tehdark45 he is the other te lol
20:54 Damianz wannabe1987 is like the people person :P
20:54 wannabe1987 mhm
20:55 tehdark45 i am the people
20:55 wannabe1987 o hell no /black attitude
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20:57 tehdark45 wannabe1987, that's oh heeelll naw
21:01 Electricguy spotify start to get shitty...
21:01 Electricguy FOUR ads in a row...
21:01 tehdark45 electricguy, have you heard of this .se website?
21:01 tehdark45 it allows all the music you want
21:01 tehdark45 free
21:01 tehdark45 :P
21:02 Electricguy yeah there are TONS of .se sites i know of.. :P
21:02 tehdark45 its like these pirates
21:02 tehdark45 in a bay
21:02 Damianz I just pay for spotify - it's awesome
21:02 wannabe1987 toto: i told you i'm the idiot here
21:02 Electricguy i don't want to pay for it
21:03 Electricguy cause a HELL LOT of good music have disappeared lately
21:04 tehdark45 so who was the idiot before toto?
21:04 * lwq1996 shoots tehdark45 in the knee
21:05 tehdark45 oh right, it was hy
21:05 tehdark45 lol
21:05 tehdark45 hi lwq1996, imma take your monies
21:05 lwq1996 if you step on my property i have legal right to shoot your ass for no apparent reason
21:05 wannabe1987 no, hy knows more about computers than toto does
21:06 tehdark45 but he is still stupid lol
21:06 wannabe1987 i didn't say that
21:06 lwq1996 WAIT. HIJACKING? its at 8pm right?
21:06 tehdark45 lwq1996, you wouldnt see me coming, i'd climb in yo window
21:07 tehdark45 yes it is lee
21:07 wannabe1987 always
21:07 wannabe1987 as long as he remembers....
21:08 wannabe1987 i won't be here to remind him when 8pm is
21:08 tehdark45 who zozo?
21:08 wannabe1987 mhm
21:08 wannabe1987 when he's gaming he has no sense of time
21:08 wannabe1987 gaming or working
21:08 tehdark45 set alarm
21:08 tehdark45 on phone
21:09 lwq1996 yes
21:10 wannabe1987 BitViper you like cinnamon rolls?
21:11 lwq1996 mmmmmm. boobies
21:11 tehdark45 lwq1996, this isnt nsfw
21:11 tehdark45 :P
21:11 wannabe1987 not in this channel lee
21:12 tehdark45 lol I beat the op
21:12 tehdark45 :P
21:12 lwq1996 sorry, watching some wotw movie
21:14 tehdark45 wannabe1987, you become the host if zozo doesnt make iy
21:14 tehdark45 it*
21:14 wannabe1987 lol i won't be here at 8 tho....
21:14 * Experimentonomen macerates some cobble to make sand
21:14 wannabe1987 hi Experimentonomen
21:15 Experimentonomen g'evenin wannabe
21:15 tehdark45 oh
21:15 tehdark45 job stuff?
21:15 wannabe1987 nope
21:15 wannabe1987 going dancing
21:15 tehdark45 ah
21:18 wannabe1987 Electricguy: what does the article you posted say?  like a summary....
21:18 Electricguy how to open a wine bottle using a lightsaber.. :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWGB7mXrWQ
21:18 BotSteve Title: 4 sätt att öppna en flaska vin - Ljussabel (del 4 av 4) - YouTube
21:18 Electricguy huh? what article?
21:18 wannabe1987 dunno.  its in swedish
21:18 wannabe1987 you posted it on fb
21:18 Electricguy ooh!
21:18 tehdark45 wannabe1987, y u no google translate
21:19 Electricguy about that we swedes are forced out of our homes to make room for ilegal immigrants..
21:19 wannabe1987 because google translate sucks for the scandinavian languages
21:19 Electricguy just brilliant!
21:19 wannabe1987 lol that sucks
21:19 Electricguy no shit
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21:20 DeKemp hi there
21:21 Electricguy o'hoy!
21:21 DeKemp http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/2162931/b5d1b42b/dumpert_tech.html  wow, ct scans are fast
21:21 BotSteve Title: dumpert.nl - Dumpert Tech
21:21 DeKemp in rotatin speed
21:23 wannabe1987 the trololololo guy died
21:23 DeKemp like 2 days ago
21:23 wannabe1987 mhm
21:27 DeKemp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_ffLBhRiY little school/buisness project i'm working on  it has stepper motors yo!
21:27 BotSteve Title: kabelstripper test.m4v - YouTube
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21:59 Electricguy bedtime! night all :)
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22:08 DeKemp hi all
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22:10 BitViper venus transit of the sun in progress
22:10 DeKemp ?
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22:10 wannabe1987 i know.....i wana see it....
22:10 BitViper http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120605.html for starters
22:10 lwq1996 right now
22:10 BotSteve Title: APOD: 2012 June 5 - Live: Watching for Venus to Cross the Sun
22:10 wannabe1987 also, i have an IBM a/c adaptor to take apart
22:10 lwq1996 i cant see it with my stuff :(
22:11 BitViper or http://venustransit.nasa.gov/webcasts/grc/
22:11 BotSteve Title: Glenn Research Center: Live Webcast Streams
22:12 wannabe1987 theres a school not too far from here where gvsu faculty are hosting viewings....i'm planning on going before swing....
22:13 DeKemp ah, acording to wikipedia. we only could se the end and only till about 1,5 ours after sunrise
22:15 DeKemp nothing to se after 07:00
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22:18 lwq1996 where can i find time to view it
22:18 DeKemp http://www.venusovergang2012.nl/images/map2012-2.gif her is a graph
22:19 eadthem windows  has been setting its own partition active  on boot
22:19 DeKemp http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/venus/city12-1.html
22:19 BotSteve Title: 2012 Transit of Venus - Cities
22:19 lwq1996 i mean like a place i can type in my zip and find out
22:19 DeKemp city
22:19 eadthem and when i tryed to fix it in windows  hopeing it would then understand   it deleted the  swap /tmp /programming partitions (linux)
22:19 DeKemp http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/venus/city12-2.html us
22:19 BotSteve Title: 2012 Transit of Venus - Cities
22:21 lwq1996 damnit :/ it will be 10pm
22:21 DeKemp why dont u us fokes dont use 24:00 notation :P
22:21 DeKemp shitty am pm stuf
22:22 lwq1996 if i got used to it i would use it, but i dont like converting
22:22 DeKemp ...
22:22 DeKemp am is?
22:23 BitViper am = 0-11, pm = 12-23
22:23 lwq1996 ik this
22:23 BitViper am = antemeridian, pm = postmeridian, or something like that
22:24 DeKemp jes
22:24 DeKemp *yes
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22:24 DeKemp http://gyazo.com/919701ca7e6da175069902a1d0aedb31.png?1338934541  ftw :P
22:25 eadthem im thinking of makeing a lookup table from a float
22:25 eadthem Discuss!  :p
22:25 DeKemp ?
22:25 DeKemp ah web stuf, dont ask me
22:25 eadthem no  c++
22:26 DeKemp i'm to lazy to even get wordpress working :P
22:26 DeKemp http://ckemperman.nl/  lal, i realy need to spend some time in it
22:26 BotSteve Title: Omdat Het Kan!
22:28 DeKemp 24 clock ''It is the international standard notation of time (ISO 8601).''  :D
22:30 HighMan By any chance... Is this safe to bring to school? http://i47.tinypic.com/mpjkg.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/2mgp66t.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/25f6c95.jpg
22:30 DeKemp what is it
22:30 DeKemp strobe of some sort?
22:31 HighMan I'm reading Anthem and I'm supposed to make a "light box" So... I had a old flash light that didn't work took it apart and taped it to the side of the power supply... So through the process of confusion, it looks complex but it isn't lol
22:32 DeKemp why could you not take it to school?
22:32 HighMan It can cause a fire
22:32 DeKemp ...
22:32 HighMan lo
22:32 HighMan ll
22:32 DeKemp serioulsy
22:32 HighMan If I wanted it to, or if shorts...
22:32 DeKemp just make a propper rig
22:33 HighMan Due tomorrow lol
22:33 DeKemp fail
22:33 HighMan :P
22:33 DeKemp photograpy lightbox?
22:33 HighMan Just a light literaly
22:35 LittleCreature today is the transit of venus!
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22:35 DeKemp ... no shit sherlock
22:35 Twinix hi all
22:36 HighMan DeKemp, Yes or no lol
22:36 LittleCreature :S
22:36 DeKemp lol
22:36 HighMan No eletrical tape so clear tape works lol
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22:37 HighMan DeKemp, You hurt LittleCreature. Tsk Tsk Tsk.
22:37 DeKemp :P
22:37 DeKemp its a tough world
22:37 HighMan I hope I don't get busted with this lol
22:37 * technowizard watching live stream of Venus solar transit. anyone else?
22:37 DeKemp what is the assignment
22:38 HighMan Make an object that symbolizes the book I read. (Anthem) In it this dude creates a light box... So here it is lol
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22:38 DeKemp lal
22:38 DeKemp what kind of school is that
22:39 HighMan :P English Assignment, 2million CP bulb whatever that is
22:39 DeKemp highschool or something?
22:39 HighMan Yes
22:39 DeKemp aha, that makes things clear
22:40 HighMan :P
22:41 DeKemp we only had to write stuf regarding the book (cant find the correct word)
22:41 HighMan Gists?
22:41 DeKemp whut
22:41 HighMan Summaries lol
22:41 DeKemp yeah
22:42 DeKemp in one or 2 pages
22:43 HighMan lol
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22:45 HighMan monkeh Youon?
22:45 technowizard crispy like the crispy creme donuts?
22:45 HighMan Yummy lol
22:45 technowizard 99% cholesterol never tasted so good
22:45 HighMan Yep!
22:46 technowizard when will they have bacon wrapped crispy cremes
22:47 HighMan I haven't been ot one since 2 years ago in vegas lol
22:47 HighMan Closest one to me is like half an hour away :P
22:47 technowizard yaya
22:47 technowizard same here
22:47 HighMan haha Floridian guy here, you?
22:47 technowizard live stream Venus transit with commentary  http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12072765-venus-makes-last-in-a-lifetime-transit-across-the-sun-watch-it-live?lite
22:47 BotSteve Title: Venus makes last-in-a-lifetime transit across the sun: Watch it live - Cosmic Log
22:47 Monkeh HighMan: No, I'm off my rocker.
22:48 HighMan Well Read up.. I need your help please
22:48 technowizard i am in the area defined as not Florida
22:48 HighMan Haha
22:48 Monkeh HighMan: ..
22:48 HighMan By any chance... Is this safe to bring to school? http://i47.tinypic.com/mpjkg.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/2mgp66t.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/25f6c95.jpg
22:48 HighMan ^^^ monkeh
22:49 Monkeh You made it.
22:49 Monkeh So the answer is obvious.
22:49 DeKemp 120v?
22:49 HighMan Yes, and it could possibly short and if I wanteed to make sparks in class lol
22:49 DeKemp cleartape is not electrical tape :P
22:49 HighMan ;)
22:49 technowizard um if its 120  volts you need better insulation or talk to your teacher about insurance coverage ...
22:50 HighMan XD
22:50 DeKemp heatshrink
22:50 HighMan Clear Tape works :P
22:50 Monkeh When do you need to take it to school?
22:50 technowizard have at least the shop teacher or electronics teacher approve it before plugging it in
22:50 DeKemp tomorow :P
22:50 HighMan technowizard, It's for english class
22:51 Monkeh HighMan: What voltage is the lamp?
22:51 technowizard even so ... dont go burning down the school. that would be bad
22:51 HighMan I'm running off of 12 v
22:51 Monkeh So use a battery
22:51 HighMan A 12v Battery?
22:51 Monkeh Why yes
22:51 HighMan Enough amps or no?
22:52 DeKemp it is just a bulb or a flash bulb?
22:52 Monkeh Now that depends on the battery, now doesn't it
22:52 technowizard you can get 12 volts from one 9 volts then 2 AA/C/D cell type batteries. just have them in series
22:52 DeKemp ...
22:52 HighMan I have no idea what type of bulb it is.. Other than the fact it has a thick gauged filament that lights up pretty hot
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22:53 technowizard put 'we didnt start the fire' on the mp3 player for afterwards :P
22:53 DeKemp but you said it was 120V?
22:53 HighMan It's a powersupply DeKemp
22:53 DeKemp ah
22:53 HighMan I'm not running 120 v to the bulb O_O
22:53 Monkeh DeKemp: Trust me, he doesn't even really know.
22:53 DeKemp lal
22:53 DeKemp put 230V on it !
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22:54 DeKemp you can masure the resestance of the bulb
22:54 technowizard general rule: if it plugs into the wall socket and you are not fully confident in it working then DO NOT PLUG IN ... talk to someone with teh knowledge who can take the device in their hand and evaluate it. more than you can get from chat place like this
22:54 HighMan ... It works and It works good enough I just hope luck is on my side lol
22:55 DeKemp but you would need to know the voltage for that
22:55 DeKemp whats wrong with a simple 50watt lightbulb?
22:55 Monkeh HighMan: Luck?
22:55 technowizard well .. keep one hand in your pocket so if it shocks you do not get it across your chest that might stop your heart and .. make dead
22:55 Monkeh If you did it right, you wouldn't need luck.
22:55 HighMan No electrical tape lol
22:55 DeKemp http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Gluehlampe_01_KMJ.png/200px-Gluehlampe_01_KMJ.png
22:55 DeKemp use it!
22:56 Monkeh HighMan: When you can tell me what this does and how it works, you've got some basic knowledge on the go: http://monkeh.net/images/thing.png
22:56 Monkeh Nobody help him or I'll smack you. :P
22:57 HighMan I see resistors, a 9v battery a few diodes. A capacitor...
22:57 DeKemp sorry, i havent study'd opamps
22:57 technowizard other than makign a green LED Light up what does it do?
22:57 Monkeh DeKemp: That's helping.
22:57 HighMan monkehNo idea...
22:57 DeKemp but looks like a psu
22:58 Monkeh No, it's not a PSU
22:58 technowizard play station ... ultimate?
22:58 wannabe1987 someone should donate a bunch of sharpies....i can't find any!
22:58 technowizard = psu?
22:58 DeKemp its powerd by the 9v battery
22:58 DeKemp has some adjustment
22:58 technowizard what goes on the load?
22:58 Monkeh DeKemp: Who woulda thunk it.
22:59 DeKemp ?
22:59 Monkeh technowizard: The object is to figure that out.
22:59 Monkeh DeKemp: That it's powered by the battery.
22:59 DeKemp am i correct?
22:59 DeKemp :P
22:59 HighMan voltage regulator..
22:59 DeKemp i was thinking loadly
22:59 HighMan A Ir sensor
23:00 Monkeh IR sensor?!
23:00 HighMan irf460...
23:00 HighMan Or what ever that doo hicky is
23:00 Monkeh Anyone see a photodiode on there? I don't.
23:00 DeKemp mosfet
23:00 HighMan A transistor lol
23:00 technowizard load might be your skin as it triggers Q if Q is a mosfet or transistor so it lights the led
23:00 DeKemp transistor has a other symbol
23:01 Monkeh technowizard: Way off the mark.
23:01 DeKemp D2 is some sort of input
23:01 HighMan It's a charger
23:01 DeKemp if it was a charger it was a psu
23:01 technowizard this circuit has R2 and D2
23:01 DeKemp so tell me
23:01 Monkeh It's not a charger.
23:01 technowizard star wars FTW
23:02 Monkeh technowizard: Almost anything has two resistors and two diodes :P
23:02 DeKemp :P
23:02 DeKemp if it is mains powerd and dc output it has 4
23:02 DeKemp diodes
23:02 DeKemp :P
23:02 tonsofpcs what are we breaking now?
23:02 tonsofpcs a rectifier stack?
23:02 Monkeh DeKemp: Only if you use a full wave rectifier.
23:02 DeKemp true
23:03 DeKemp but using halfwave is dodgy
23:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They're flailing around trying to understand a circuit I just posted.
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23:03 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Please do not aid them. :P
23:03 DeKemp :P
23:03 DeKemp i heavent looked in to opamps, so i would kno what that thing does
23:03 tonsofpcs why not? I'm not a BSEE
23:04 Monkeh DeKemp: Well do you know what one does, roughly?
23:04 tonsofpcs also, why the hheck would you run a recfier off a 9v? :)
23:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You wouldn't.
23:04 Monkeh There's no rectifier involved :P
23:04 DeKemp :P
23:04 tehdark45 tonsofpcs, make sure it is ver DC
23:04 tehdark45 :P
23:04 tehdark45 very*
23:04 DeKemp rectifing dc  FTW!
23:04 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Even you should be able to figure out what the circuit does ;)
23:05 tonsofpcs confuses IRC folks, obviously :-p
23:05 Monkeh Indeed
23:05 DeKemp i not that of a electronics guy :P
23:05 tonsofpcs also, I don't approve of your method of hooking up that pot.
23:05 DeKemp true
23:05 Monkeh It's not technically my method.
23:06 Monkeh And it works, so what's your problem? :P
23:06 tonsofpcs it works until a connection fails
23:06 Monkeh tonsofpcs: The whole damn circuit works until a connection fails!
23:07 HighMan lol
23:07 tonsofpcs right, but you can make it continue to work there :)
23:07 Monkeh I care not
23:07 Seroster SparkyProjects, my headlight got a bulb with three leads (low beam and high beam) - that would be common high and low.  Can I apply power to both high AND low at the same time and get twice the light?
23:07 DeKemp i think it does some comparing the load to the set value of the pot?
23:07 Seroster Or will that just result in a very molten common or general death and carnage?
23:07 tonsofpcs Seroster: depends.
23:07 DeKemp but what..
23:08 tonsofpcs Seroster: that's how 'three way' lamps are wired...
23:08 Seroster First time I took a good look at it, Autosoling the lens =P
23:08 Seroster ...Three way as in three leads, yes...
23:08 Seroster From what I can tell there are two more or less identical fillaments, one shielded and one not
23:08 DeKemp what does it do monkeh?
23:08 DeKemp i give up
23:08 SparkyProjects Normally they are different wattages, i think 21 & 12, so you'll get 33 watts of light
23:09 Monkeh DeKemp: It's a very rough constant current load.
23:09 Seroster Likely, yes... And a 33watt light wouldnt be too bad
23:09 tonsofpcs no, three way as in 25/75/100 W
23:09 DeKemp ah
23:09 SparkyProjects And of course it will draw more curret
23:09 Seroster tonsofpcs, This one got a common point
23:09 technowizard i am inclined to think the load would be a rechargable battery since Q1 feeds power back to the load
23:09 Seroster I doubt it is made for dual action
23:09 Monkeh technowizard: No, the 'load' terminals are whatever I want to load.
23:09 DeKemp the load are the resistors right?
23:09 Monkeh technowizard: ie. a PSU or a battery.
23:09 DeKemp ah
23:10 Monkeh DeKemp: No, they're load sensing.
23:10 DeKemp lightbul load :D
23:10 SparkyProjects The headlight flash control normally purs on high beam, so you'd have both in that situation
23:10 Seroster SparkyProjects, I'm also contemplating installing another horn, which will have another freq for sure, for the lulz.
23:10 DeKemp im not verry good at schematics.
23:10 DeKemp just a novice in electronics
23:10 tonsofpcs i have a make-before-break high-beam switch (as should most cars, I'd think) but it's not designed tto be sustained in both spots.....
23:10 Seroster My high/low beam switch is a bistable three pin switch.  It got 12v on the common, high on out1 and low on out2
23:11 Monkeh DeKemp: Voltage drop across the resistors is compared to the voltage set by the pot via the regulator. The opamp attempts to make them match. It does so by driving the MOSFET and causing current to flow.
23:11 technowizard what is the question that we are supposed to answer regarding http://monkeh.net/images/thing.png ?
23:11 DeKemp :)
23:11 Monkeh technowizard: What it does. Which I've just explained.
23:11 DeKemp what does the pot do? calibrating?
23:11 Monkeh DeKemp: .. adjusting.
23:11 tonsofpcs Monkeh: but you wanted to know what it does, right?
23:11 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I drew that.
23:12 tonsofpcs it sits on a table in a box.  :)
23:12 Monkeh Nope, no box :P
23:12 technowizard what program you use to draw the circit?
23:12 tonsofpcs not even a shoe box?
23:12 DeKemp eagle?
23:12 tonsofpcs eagle...
23:12 Monkeh DeKemp: The greater the resistance on the pot, the higher the voltage seen by the opamp. The higher that voltage, the more current must flow to match it at the other input.
23:12 Monkeh Kicad, actually.
23:12 tonsofpcs ah
23:12 DeKemp ah
23:13 tonsofpcs tell them to update their schematic library :-
23:13 Monkeh cba.
23:13 tonsofpcs batteries don't belong inside circles.
23:13 tonsofpcs the LED arrows come from the middle
23:13 tonsofpcs resistors are ^v^v
23:13 DeKemp NO!
23:13 DeKemp resistors are boxes, here
23:13 tonsofpcs caps are )| or ||+ not )|+
23:13 DeKemp :P
23:14 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Or ||.
23:14 DeKemp :)
23:14 tonsofpcs well, polar caps :)
23:14 DeKemp [] []
23:14 Monkeh tonsofpcs: And you'll find that's the IEC standard resistor symbol.
23:14 DeKemp wihth one solid
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23:15 technowizard kicad looks nice http://kicad.en.malavida.com/
23:15 BotSteve Title: Download KiCad free
23:15 tonsofpcs Monkeh: and I'll find the IEC is run by some french lab in cahrge of keeping people happy :-p
23:15 Monkeh technowizard: That is not the Kicad side.
23:15 Monkeh er, site.
23:15 DeKemp http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Elektriciteit_tekens.jpg
23:15 technowizard where me find kicad?
23:15 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I don't care, I find it a better symbol.
23:16 tonsofpcs just as long as you don't make your box variable by drawing a slash through it.....
23:16 DeKemp weerstand = resistor
23:16 tonsofpcs DeKemp: ok, i'm calling them weerstands from now on.
23:16 tonsofpcs :D
23:16 DeKemp :D
23:16 DeKemp 1 weerstand, 2 weerstanden !
23:16 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You can see the symbol for a variable resistor (pot.) there.
23:16 tonsofpcs zoemer I disagree with because it sounds too much like a zener
23:17 DeKemp zoemer = buzzer
23:17 tonsofpcs Monkeh: right.
23:17 tonsofpcs DeKemp: piezo?
23:17 GGR-Zozo Zozo's hijacking in 1 hour
23:17 DeKemp could bee
23:17 DeKemp *be
23:17 tehdark45 40 mins*
23:17 tehdark45 :P
23:17 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I may have picked the wrong symbol for the battery.
23:17 tonsofpcs also, why does your transistor leg not reach the circle?
23:17 technowizard its "bat-tree"  :D
23:17 Monkeh I didn't exactly spend all day looking through the library
23:17 tonsofpcs note: I agree with DeKemp's LED :)
23:18 DeKemp thats a fault or somiething
23:18 * tonsofpcs introduces Monkeh to CircuitMaker's student version
23:18 tonsofpcs more importantly, why don't you have an awesome name for transistor?
23:18 Monkeh tonsofpcs: I would rather stick with my open, not-arbitrarily-limited software.
23:18 technowizard like ze tranvistekfeiner?
23:19 tonsofpcs yea, I know, but its hotkeys are awesome
23:19 DeKemp we dont, we just say it with a verry heavy dutch acsent
23:19 tonsofpcs technowizard: I guess doped silicon gets the same name... (see diode)
23:20 Twinix i can throw in some dutch acsent :D
23:20 technowizard lololol or 1010101?
23:20 DeKemp lol
23:20 tonsofpcs I now need a clip of someone saying 'weerstand'
23:20 tonsofpcs is it veer-shtand or we're-stand or we'restahnd or ...
23:21 * technowizard still watching Venus transit http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12072765-venus-makes-last-in-a-lifetime-transit-across-the-sun?lite which will not happen again till year 2117
23:21 BotSteve Title: Venus makes last-in-a-lifetime transit across the sun - Cosmic Log
23:21 DeKemp i think a comination of the last 2
23:21 DeKemp midle one
23:21 tonsofpcs so it's like we're standing but without the ing?
23:22 DeKemp when im in the us i will teach you :P
23:22 tonsofpcs I'm in NY....
23:22 DeKemp :P
23:22 tonsofpcs and not the part that anyone goes to visit
23:22 DeKemp gg
23:22 tonsofpcs even ask dbshortwave
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23:23 DeKemp http://www.voordeelverpakking.nl/opendir/scope.jpg    made in holland ! :D
23:24 DeKemp i need to fix that thing
23:24 DeKemp lots of ozone
23:24 Monkeh DeKemp: Ozone? How old is it?
23:24 DeKemp uhm
23:24 DeKemp older than me
23:24 Monkeh Check the EHT transformer for arcing
23:24 DeKemp 35 years or so
23:25 Monkeh The top boards on the transformers have a habit of breaking down
23:25 DeKemp http://ckemperman.nl/opendir/PM3264/ here are some pics
23:25 BotSteve Title: Index of /opendir/PM3264
23:26 Monkeh Potted EHT, how annoying
23:26 DeKemp it already had some capacitors replaced that where blown,  previous owner did that
23:27 tonsofpcs DeKemp: we have one of those!
23:27 Monkeh Aww, look at all those fancy packages
23:27 tonsofpcs well, idk if it's the exact model, but it's similar
23:27 Monkeh It's not that old
23:27 DeKemp http://members.home.nl/a.vermaning/Meetapperaten/Img_3082_small.jpg
23:27 tonsofpcs Monkeh: we have one of those in a box labeled 'old scope'.  The Tek 575 isn't in any such box....
23:27 DeKemp same scope model
23:28 Monkeh DeKemp: Quintupler went bad?
23:28 tonsofpcs retrace gain?
23:28 Monkeh Very bad.
23:28 DeKemp thing cost me 25 euros icl 2 probes
23:28 DeKemp last channel is defective
23:28 DeKemp is missing an ic
23:30 DeKemp you can hear sissing and cracling comming out of the scope
23:30 DeKemp near the hv stuff
23:30 tonsofpcs frequency?
23:30 Monkeh As I said, check the EHT transformer, but it looks to be buried in that potting.
23:31 DeKemp its a common thing of the scopes
23:31 DeKemp they go bad
23:31 Monkeh Yeah
23:31 DeKemp the cascade
23:31 Monkeh Oh, it's the quintupler? That shouldn't go bad easily.
23:31 Monkeh But the dark patch on it is suspicious.
23:32 tonsofpcs underrated?
23:32 DeKemp could be mess from when the caps blew, it isnt cleand
23:32 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Or nobody bothered to check the EHT and it's overvoltaged badly.
23:33 DeKemp eht is?
23:33 Monkeh Extra high tension.
23:33 Monkeh Read: High voltage.
23:33 DeKemp stuf before the cascade?
23:33 Monkeh Yes, the potted block in the middle is the EHT supply.
23:33 DeKemp ah
23:33 Monkeh The 'cascade' as you call it, is a quintupler
23:34 DeKemp crochofwalton thingy?
23:34 Monkeh crochofwhatthehellareyouonabout?
23:34 DeKemp lol
23:35 DeKemp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator
23:35 BotSteve Title: Cockcroft–Walton generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:37 Monkeh Yes.
23:37 Monkeh It's typically a quintupler in scopes, from what I've seen
23:37 DeKemp http://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/view/57917/1/pm3264  its in dutch but has picturs
23:37 BotSteve Title: Circuits Online - Forum - Philips PM3264
23:37 DeKemp other guy with the same scope
23:38 Monkeh Looks like yours sucks massively :)
23:38 Monkeh The big stain on the potting compound gives the game away, really.
23:38 DeKemp why
23:38 DeKemp ah
23:39 DeKemp il take it apart sometime
23:39 Monkeh Be careful.
23:39 DeKemp :)
23:39 DeKemp its only 14kv or therabout :P
23:40 Monkeh You really don't want a mistake with those caps :P
23:40 DeKemp :)
23:40 DeKemp wat is a good way to discarge the scope
23:40 BitViper if ya have to make a mistake ... RECORD IT
23:40 Monkeh Short the output (carefully) and leave it that way.
23:40 Monkeh Caps can have a memory effect. You don't want that.
23:41 Monkeh SparkyProjects: Tell the man not to fry himself with HV caps.
23:41 DeKemp :P
23:41 DeKemp we have a 300KVDC suply at work? would that work :P
23:41 tonsofpcs what BitViper said.
23:42 DeKemp lal
23:42 DeKemp http://www.uploadarchief.net/files/download/pm3264_power_supply_large.png
23:42 DeKemp schematic
23:43 lwq1996 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
23:43 Monkeh DeKemp: Wow, 9x? Meaty.
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23:44 SparkyProjects Be very careful with caps, a guy testing a big cap (not sure what rating, but it was a 1 foot cube with a 1 foot insulator on top) thought he'd discharged it, he picked it up from the bench and immediately dropped it, he had got the top terminal under his chin (case was ground), and left a nice burn mark
23:44 Monkeh No wonder they don't behave
23:44 lwq1996 KATE
23:44 tehdark45 LEE
23:44 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: that's why you leave a piece of double-aught tying the terminals together.
23:44 Monkeh SparkyProjects: He probably had discharged it. It's surprising what they'll pick up. That's why you short them.
23:45 DeKemp 380V caps can hurt to...
23:45 SparkyProjects Once discharged, any piece of wire will keep it discharged
23:45 Monkeh Which is why when I get to the lab I'll be visiting the 20kV caps with some wire.
23:45 SparkyProjects Exactly Monkeh
23:46 Monkeh Because so far nobody has gone around and shorted them afaik.
23:46 BitViper a professor of mine has scars on his chest from carrying an old crt tube and accidently shorting one of his arms across the back of it, it imploded into his chest
23:46 DeKemp ouch
23:46 Katemonster hi lee
23:46 Monkeh And screw it, I'll buy the cheap spanner on a stick and a couple of meters of 16AWG wire and deal with that before someone leans on a 20kV cap with a memory effect
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23:47 BitViper Monkeh : they'll only do it once, no repeat offenders :)
23:47 Monkeh Yeah, I'd rather nobody have to do it in the firstplace
23:47 SparkyProjects I've allways believed some caps can recharge a bit while just being left alone
23:47 BitViper Monkeh : true enough
23:48 Monkeh SparkyProjects: No need to believe, it's a fact. They won't store much _energy_, but they really don't have to with kilovolts of potential behind them.
23:49 Monkeh Short out a supposedly discharged 400V cap in a dark room, enjoy the spark
23:49 CaptainNiobe morning, everyone
23:50 DeKemp hi
23:50 Monkeh SparkyProjects: It's rather like your own static charge, except unlike you, they're designed with significant capacitance. :)
23:50 Monkeh A static charge off an elephant would probably suck.
23:50 SparkyProjects yep
23:51 Monkeh Fit an elephant with PVC boots for a while, then go touch it. Enjoy.
23:51 SparkyProjects Even get capacitive charge in a tesla seconfary (as i found out), just like static from a nylon shirt
23:51 Monkeh Use the left arm if you please, more energy through the heart. Makes for a good demonstration.
23:52 DeKemp 1phase motor starter cap   from on hand to the other,  felt like AC
23:52 DeKemp if it was pulsing
23:53 DeKemp hurt like hell, even got burn marks on my fingers
23:53 tonsofpcs Monkeh: really?! not shorted.... yell at chris on facebook. (or post on youtube "you're a hack, get off the internet")
23:54 Monkeh tonsofpcs: They weren't when they moved them into the high energy 'lab'
23:54 Monkeh He made a point of telling everyone to not touch the positive terminal.
23:54 tonsofpcs ugh...
23:54 DeKemp not enough
23:55 tonsofpcs gonna [4~make up a pair of jesus sticks?
23:56 DeKemp you are not able to realy on people when it comes to electricity
23:56 Monkeh When I get over there I'm going to make up a quick rig to short them safely, then bolt some decent sized (ie. durable) wire across the terminals.
23:56 DeKemp *realy   what is the correct word.
23:56 tonsofpcs rely ?
23:56 tonsofpcs (said "re lie")
23:57 Monkeh ie. stick with two contacts on it, immediately followed by some jump leads while I sort out the permanent connection.
23:57 DeKemp yes
23:57 Monkeh I believe that's what you meant with jesus stick.
23:57 tonsofpcs jesus stick = fiberglass rod with stiff copper on the end and a wire running off it (usuaally to ground, in this case you would gget two of them bonded)
23:57 DeKemp someetime i don't know the right words.
23:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: So yes, poor man's jesus stick.
23:58 tonsofpcs http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/5c1db338013c71b7e4f1d30fd5f3ed53/l.jpg
23:58 Monkeh tonsofpcs: Length of ~1" (yank sizes..) PVC pipe, three foot lead to large clip, large contact on the end.
23:58 DeKemp here some one build his own eht http://www.uploadarchief.net/files/download/dscn5251.jpg  his was fault also
23:59 tonsofpcs there's one sitting next to a klyston (or at least aa socket for one)
23:59 SparkyProjects A jesus stick doesn't have to be made of insulatinng material, as long as any metal that you may touch is essentially grounded or definitely floating
23:59 DeKemp http://www.uploadarchief.net/files/download/dscn5254.jpg
23:59 Monkeh Attach clip, stand back, touch positive terminal.
23:59 Monkeh SparkyProjects: I.. feel safer with something capable of insulating me from 20kV+ than not, personally.
23:59 tonsofpcs SparkyProjects: uh... yes it does.  otherwise it is possible that you're a better path to ground than the 'ground'

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