Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-06-09

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00:01 Yrouel FunkEngine one ironic thing about amish is that they use BT crops
00:01 Yrouel at least some of them
00:01 Yrouel because so they can continue to use old tools to harvest them
00:02 FunkEngine Amish! http://www.funkengine.net/amish/09-04-09_1631.jpg  The buggy was at the diesel pumps.  I know they use diesel because there's no electricity involved, but this guy is at the gas/petrol pump...
00:02 FunkEngine DeKemp: The alternative heat solution is Gas, which is expensive here too.
00:02 Yrouel with normal corn if the parassite cut the plant they can't pick it as the modern machines do
00:03 DeKemp why is gas expensive... crazy americans
00:03 FunkEngine and if you want me to be honest, I don't actually USE the heat except for maybe 15 days a year.  I live on 2nd floor so I get bleed-up from below, plus my machine is a 400w space heater.
00:03 DeKemp ah
00:03 FunkEngine but let me tell you the A/C bill is a royal pain in the summer.
00:04 DeKemp we dont have that issue
00:04 FunkEngine not so much now, but when the one couple lived below me, I swear they kept their unit at 78 degrees!
00:04 Yrouel we use a lot of electricity
00:04 Yrouel we have a dumb roomate
00:04 FunkEngine my floors were nearly 80.
00:04 Yrouel that likes the hot hair in the face
00:04 Yrouel so it uses an electric heater with a fan
00:04 Yrouel for fun...
00:04 DeKemp ah 25c
00:04 FunkEngine facepalm.
00:05 Yrouel in the summes is a normal fan instead
00:05 Yrouel and obviously
00:05 FunkEngine The only place I occasionally need heated air pointed is the crotch after a shower.
00:05 Yrouel beign dumb and a little asshole
00:06 FunkEngine Yrouel: I sleep with a fan pointed at me, for two reasons.
00:06 Yrouel when he leaves the room and the house it leaves the fan runnung
00:06 Yrouel to cool nothing
00:06 FunkEngine first, I have horrible horrible low tinnitus, which means if I'm in a quiet room, after a minute or two its like the tornado siren in my brain.  Add a bit of white noise, like say a fan whirring, and I'm peachy.
00:07 FunkEngine second: I just like fresh air on every breath, none of that snorkeling effect.
00:07 DeKemp lol we use the power of 5 people home, we only have 2  :D
00:07 DeKemp ie, i use a lot of power
00:07 Yrouel FunkEngine I use the hairdryer to quickly dry my body after a quick dri with the bathrobe
00:07 FunkEngine DeKemp: My mom uses like 200kwh a month, but she has gas heat/hot water/dryer and works second shift. :)
00:07 FunkEngine Yrouel: More or less the same.
00:08 Yrouel FunkEngine but me and you have a purpose
00:08 DeKemp 2 person houshole is 3.400 kwh avarage
00:08 Yrouel my roomate uses the power for nithng than a mania
00:08 FunkEngine Yrouel: Your roommate has a fetish.
00:08 Yrouel yeah
00:08 DeKemp http://gyazo.com/45c78e55003984e0ec1f9ce960681abf
00:08 Yrouel but it's also dumb and asshole
00:08 BotSteve Title: 45c78e55003984e0ec1f9ce960681abf.png
00:08 FunkEngine so I'm looking out my window, trying to figure out what's going on.
00:09 DeKemp first  colum is number of people
00:09 DeKemp secend colum is avarge kwh/year
00:09 FunkEngine one of my neighbors is vacuuming their car with a small shop-vac sung over their arm with the strap.
00:09 DeKemp lol
00:09 FunkEngine the problem is they're crunching it under their arm insteadof letting it hang free in the wind, so every time they lean in the ball goes up in the water cutoff.
00:10 FunkEngine so I've been listening to the "plugged up shopvac" sound about every 30 seconds for the last two minutes.
00:11 FunkEngine I'm about another 5 minutes away from grabbing a 14" cable tie and offering to solve their problem as long as they promise to remove it before sucking up water!
00:11 DeKemp http://gyazo.com/92d5a87e9df3ba5fcb4295601c3339df this is avarage water /year
00:11 BotSteve Title: 92d5a87e9df3ba5fcb4295601c3339df.png
00:12 FunkEngine I don't even know what my water usage is.  The minimum charge is 16,000 gallons/year, billed quarterly @ 4,000 gallons.  I've never paid more than the minimum, so I can say I use less than 1250 gallons a month.
00:12 FunkEngine anyway, lets go back to funny amish.
00:12 DeKemp :P
00:12 FunkEngine So, have you ever seen an Amish bicycle?
00:13 DeKemp no
00:13 FunkEngine They're not allowed to use gears and stuff for mechanical force multiplication.
00:13 DeKemp it is not multiplication
00:13 FunkEngine so their bikes are reworked bike frames with a scooter board.
00:13 DeKemp ah, a ''step''
00:13 FunkEngine it has no seat, but it has normal bicycle front end/bars and a normal wheel on the back.
00:14 FunkEngine it beats walking.
00:14 FunkEngine I wish I had one last month while I had my car all torn down for engine rebuild.
00:14 DeKemp it is not a bike
00:14 DeKemp it's a complete difernt thing
00:15 FunkEngine http://amishamerica.com/where-amish-sco/
00:15 BotSteve Title: Where Amish scooters come from
00:15 FunkEngine ok but they make them out of bikes.
00:15 DeKemp why would you make them if you can buy them?
00:16 FunkEngine they buy them from an Amish who makes them.
00:16 DeKemp the big question, why would you want to be amish :P
00:17 FunkEngine DeKemp: Dude if the shit hits the fan and everything goes to hell, the amish won't really notice.
00:17 DeKemp becaus the do nothing for the world
00:18 FunkEngine now now.
00:18 FunkEngine They're a constant reminder of what inbreeding can do.
00:18 DeKemp ah,
00:18 DeKemp thats true
00:18 DeKemp and indoctrunation
00:18 FunkEngine and also a source of some pretty bitching pneumatic tools.
00:18 DeKemp *or how do you spell that
00:18 FunkEngine ok, so they can use a deisel motor, because it has no electricity, and can be crank started, and run on vegetable oil.
00:18 FunkEngine so they hook it to a compressor.
00:19 DeKemp they can use disel but not gears...
00:19 FunkEngine then they purchase power tools, remove the electric motor, and add pneumatic motors to them.
00:19 FunkEngine DeKemp: shaft drive, its all levers, levers are permitted.
00:19 DeKemp so 1:1 ratios
00:19 FunkEngine yeah, and diesels go slow if you want.
00:20 DeKemp can they tuse nuclar energy?
00:20 DeKemp *use
00:20 DeKemp if the dont use electric motros
00:20 FunkEngine so anyway, I've seen penumatic sawzalls, penumatic circular saws, pneumatic fence post drivers and much more.
00:21 FunkEngine DeKemp: they could probably use an RTG slug for heat.
00:21 FunkEngine if one fell out of the sky.
00:21 FunkEngine BRB I AM GOING TO BRANDISH A ZIPTIE.
00:21 * Yrouel 'night
00:22 * Sgt_Lemming hands FunkEngine a stainless steel aircraft grade ziptie
00:24 FunkEngine ok, there's that sorted.
00:24 FunkEngine oooh, shiny.
00:24 FunkEngine http://amishamerica.com/amish-rollerblades/
00:24 BotSteve Title: Amish on rollerblades
00:24 FunkEngine Seems legit.
00:25 DeKemp why not
00:25 DeKemp they can use wheels
00:26 FunkEngine right, I just never thought about skates/blades.
00:26 FunkEngine http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LisC6v5AL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
00:26 FunkEngine Yes, living just north of Lancaster PA, you'll notice some funny things.
00:27 DeKemp geheh
00:27 FunkEngine such as mechanics go and put on rubber gloves before removing tires.
00:27 FunkEngine because of the "road apples"
00:27 FunkEngine :3
00:27 DeKemp it sure dos look like the 1900's
00:27 DeKemp road apples?
00:27 Sgt_Lemming FunkEngine, I can understand that
00:27 Sgt_Lemming getting horse shit all over my hands would kinda suck
00:27 FunkEngine DeKemp: horse dung from the amish buggies using the roads.
00:27 DeKemp lol
00:28 Carvagon lol havent heard road apples for awhile
00:28 DeKemp why dont the have a poop scoope
00:28 FunkEngine I mean horse crap isn't really hazardous, being wholly herbivores with a normal digestive system more or less.
00:28 DeKemp but it is fuel
00:28 DeKemp burn it
00:28 FunkEngine it doesn't smell too bad, and if you're lucky you can get some tasty mushrooms off it.
00:28 FunkEngine DeKemp: that's buffalo dung.
00:29 FunkEngine horse dung would need too much energy to dry it before it would burn.
00:29 FunkEngine and as to why they don't have a poop scoop... well...
00:29 DeKemp yea but drying cost you nothing
00:29 FunkEngine its horse poop.
00:29 DeKemp :P
00:29 FunkEngine DeKemp: no I mean they're hygroscopic, they won't go down past a certain amount.
00:30 DeKemp i cant take these people seriously
00:30 FunkEngine its funny though.
00:30 Coderjoe see the dirty jobs episode with the poo pots
00:30 FunkEngine my bank has horse parking.
00:30 FunkEngine rubber mats so their hooves dont' fall off, etc.
00:30 DeKemp whahahahahahahahah
00:30 FunkEngine lemme see if I have a pic, I do somewhere.
00:30 DeKemp horse parking...
00:30 FunkEngine if not I can just take one tomorrow.
00:30 Coderjoe guy makes planter pots for flowers out of cow poop
00:31 DeKemp ah that one
00:31 Carvagon its a good idea
00:31 DeKemp yes
00:32 Coderjoe "and it doesn't even smell a little"
00:32 FunkEngine nope, no sign of the pic.  I'll grab one with my newer camera sometime soon.
00:32 FunkEngine Coderjoe: its been through an anaerobic digester.
00:32 Coderjoe i know that
00:32 Coderjoe i've seen the thing at least twice
00:32 FunkEngine now, if the amish is parked in the horse spots, and his horse drops a load, he will go over and grab the shovel leaning against the sign and move the crap off the mat before they leave.
00:33 Coderjoe that was a quote from Mike Rowe at the end of the segment
00:33 FunkEngine They are afterall a humble and kind folk.
00:33 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/mmo/heightFinished.png
00:33 FunkEngine holy volcanoe.
00:34 FunkEngine There's also a buggy that goes by my apartment that has, and i kid you not, blue ground effects on it.
00:34 Coderjoe but the guy also uses "cow farts" to generate power
00:34 FunkEngine for the simple reason that they WILL BE SEEN at night.
00:34 Coderjoe wait
00:34 Coderjoe an amish buggy with electric lights?
00:34 FunkEngine yes.
00:35 Coderjoe what a progressive ordinun
00:35 FunkEngine Their religion commands them to live by the laws of the land.
00:35 eadthem http://final.servegame.com/public/mmo/terraintest/maps/start.stn http://final.servegame.com/public/mmo/terraintest/maps/start.png
00:35 FunkEngine so the English (that's all non amish) road laws require illumination at night,and turn signals.
00:35 eadthem thats the source data that generated that volcaino
00:35 FunkEngine so to obey those laws, they comply with those laws.
00:35 eadthem input is 145x157  output is 1160x1256
00:36 Coderjoe rather than not going out at night. or using oil lamps or whatever for illumination
00:36 FunkEngine Most just have a set of red or amber flashers/signals on the back and white lamps up front, running off of a lead acid battery of some sort.
00:37 FunkEngine Coderjoe: dude, amish go to church at like 2AM sometimes.
00:37 Coderjoe oil lamps, then
00:37 FunkEngine NFI why, but I've seen it.
00:37 Coderjoe (or the like)
00:37 FunkEngine Coderjoe: minimum brightness laws.
00:37 FunkEngine same as cars.
00:37 FunkEngine they'd need carbide to get enough.
00:37 FunkEngine and even then that's debatable.
00:38 FunkEngine but seriously, since they started using the lights, instead of just the reflective triangles, the number of road deaths has gone way, way, way down.
00:38 Coderjoe but I'm talking about the "be seen at night" that is the supposed reason for the blue ground effects
00:38 FunkEngine its usually an out of towner that hits them.
00:39 FunkEngine You can tell a local from a tourist by how they take blind curves and crest blind hills at night.
00:40 Coderjoe there's a small amish community north of Grand Rapids.
00:40 FunkEngine you can also spot them because they don't know how to legally pass an amish buggy and they just stay behind it at 7mph till a local demonstrates.
00:40 DeKemp why would you not pass a buggt?
00:41 DeKemp as long as you dont horn
00:41 Coderjoe no passing zone? afraid of the horses?
00:41 FunkEngine in case you want to know, the proper way is, come up behind them to about 200 feet, make sure oncoming lane is clear, apply 4-way/hazard flashers and gently pass the buggy giving plenty of room.  don't gun the engine or squeal the tires as the horses don't like that.  once back in your lane fully you turn off your flashers.
00:41 DeKemp no passing zone, this is an expetion
00:41 einball Watching "My little pony" right now at GPN12
00:41 einball :D
00:42 FunkEngine and at night when you see a buggy coming the other way, you dip your lights at the next few cars you see so they know there's something amiss up ahead.
00:42 Coderjoe I don't think it would be an EXCEPTION
00:42 Coderjoe because the reason for the no passing zone is usually that there is limited visibility to see an oncoming vehicle
00:42 DeKemp but if you can overtake
00:42 eadthem and i cant share my work on facebook
00:42 FunkEngine there is nothing scarier than rounding a curve and seeing oncoming headlights in the left lane and a set of amish blinkers right fucking in front of you in your lane.
00:43 eadthem because it would be spammy
00:43 Coderjoe STILL no passing
00:43 DeKemp thats wyh you dont overtake in corners, comen sense
00:43 DeKemp and at bridges/viaducts
00:43 FunkEngine DeKemp: no I mean its scary because you need to stop fast.
00:44 FunkEngine the "oh shit I fucked up but I can get in the other lane" option isn't there.
00:44 Coderjoe corners and hills are usually no passing zones. you see the dashed yellow line in the middle of a 2-lane paved road? when it goes solid on one side or the other, the side that is solid is not permitted to pass
00:44 DeKemp why would the amish be on the rong side of the rode
00:44 FunkEngine so you can either head-on a car, rear end an amish buggy killing two adults, six kids and probably both horses, wind up in the ditch, or manage to stop without looking a dick.
00:44 DeKemp here the same
00:45 FunkEngine DeKemp: I'm using american lane assignments.
00:45 FunkEngine swap your port for starbord as needed.
00:45 DeKemp ?
00:45 DeKemp ah the buggy is in front of you
00:45 FunkEngine if you drive in the left lane normally, substitute left for right in all my statements and vice cersa.
00:46 FunkEngine yes.
00:46 DeKemp ah
00:46 DeKemp im not english :P
00:46 FunkEngine you are to an Amish.
00:46 DeKemp we drive on the right side of the road
00:46 DeKemp nope
00:46 einball DeKemp: where are you from`
00:47 DeKemp netherlands
00:47 FunkEngine any white person that isn't an Amish is an English to the Amish.
00:47 einball ah nice
00:47 Coderjoe also, I would suggest not using "port" and "starboard" when telling people to swap left and right. too many people don't know what those terms mean
00:47 DeKemp :P
00:47 DeKemp athiest:)
00:47 FunkEngine Coderjoe: yes, but then they go look them up, and I've caused LEARNINGS to be happened.
00:48 Coderjoe or just confusion due to laziness.
00:48 FunkEngine and how hard is it to remember port is left because they both have 4 letters.
00:48 Coderjoe or confusion until they have a chance to look it up
00:48 DeKemp her it is called ''bakboord''  ''stuurboord''
00:48 Coderjoe it is hard to remember something you never encountered before.
00:49 FunkEngine DeKemp: Yeah, well... Dutch is just plain nutty to begin with.
00:49 DeKemp :P
00:49 FunkEngine its worse than a German trying to speak English.
00:49 Coderjoe and being pimarilly nautical terms, most people don't have a reason to have encountered them in their ordinary life
00:49 DeKemp bakboord referce to the kitchen
00:50 FunkEngine hey hey hey, I can actually USE you!
00:50 FunkEngine please translate this for us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4DZ_aWNuU
00:50 BotSteve Title: PowNews - Orville vliegkat - YouTube
00:50 DeKemp lalw
00:50 Coderjoe is that 'a' long? (like bake, ache)
00:51 DeKemp ?
00:51 FunkEngine ehyy verses ah
00:51 Coderjoe the a in bakboord
00:51 DeKemp bak?
00:51 DeKemp ak
00:51 Coderjoe in english, the a makes at least two sounds
00:52 Coderjoe with no accent marks to distinguish them
00:52 FunkEngine Coderjoe: five if you're counting american english. :)
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00:52 Coderjoe five is greater than two.
00:52 DeKemp american english...
00:52 FunkEngine American English is A Thing.
00:53 joe1212 how do i tell the voltage of a flyback please help
00:53 DeKemp touch it
00:53 FunkEngine The only part of The Queen's English that my brain can't adapt to is the whole pants scenario, in terms of underwear.  Trousers are fine.
00:53 eadthem the screem scale
00:53 DeKemp scale 1-10 is 1-10kv :P
00:53 Coderjoe a high voltage probe?
00:53 eadthem no sound = less than 50v
00:53 joe1212 i need to git one
00:53 FunkEngine joe1212: Easiest way is to put 1000vac into the big winding, and measur what comes out the small one.
00:54 eadthem thrown thrue a wall or  wet pants =  20KV + :p
00:54 FunkEngine joe1212: Buy a 100 pack of 100meg resistors, and chain them up.
00:54 FunkEngine you then have a 100:1 divider.
00:54 eadthem joe1212 practice safety when doing these things
00:54 FunkEngine one hand, and remove watches/rings/etc.
00:54 eadthem 1 hand in your pocket   only 1 hand on the probe
00:54 Coderjoe and 100 times then tolerance
00:55 eadthem keep a clean open desk
00:55 joe1212 i do
00:55 FunkEngine Coderjoe: yeah but is 1350v really much different from 1210v?
00:55 eadthem and 2 pepole AT ALL TIMES  but only 1 may be within reaching distance of any part of the experement desk
00:55 eadthem and shuld be near the plug or switch
00:55 joe1212 what is the best way to drive a fly back
00:56 eadthem mosfets
00:56 FunkEngine I had a 30 second switched outlet on my HV bench for a while, so even if I did somehow become incapacitated within 30 seconds it would turn off.
00:56 eadthem i have a plexiglass test cube
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00:56 DeKemp estop
00:57 SovietGotSwagga ...
00:57 eadthem open the door  2 mechanical relays isolate  and a solid state relay breaks first
00:57 eadthem and also makes after the mech relays close
00:57 FunkEngine (my 30 second outlet was the control panel from a microwave oven and I'd just push the "quick on" button which was 30 seconds.)
00:57 joe1212 i am geting very little out put from the flyback
00:57 eadthem what frequency?
00:57 FunkEngine joe1212: can you photograph this flyback?
00:58 joe1212 yea
00:58 FunkEngine please do.
00:58 eadthem the genearl idea behind a flyback is you have 1 leg on +V
00:58 eadthem other is pulled low by a mosfet to build current flow
00:58 FunkEngine the general idea behind a flyback is you avoid getting near them. :3
00:58 eadthem then you release the mosfet and the energy flys back
00:59 joe1212 ok how do i post a pic
01:00 FunkEngine when I was still teaching myself more advanced electronics around age 14, I somehow managed to coax a normal laminated iron core transformer into a near-flyback like ringing.  I was expecting ~250v out of it.  I was suprised to find nearly 800.
01:00 DeKemp dropbox
01:00 FunkEngine imgur.com or dropbox
01:00 DeKemp gyazo
01:00 eadthem FunkEngine i was playing with a innocent relay a while back
01:01 FunkEngine ohh, yeah the back-emf can get ya.
01:01 eadthem i disconnected it and managed to get about 2KV  arm to arm    it was powerd with 6v
01:01 FunkEngine yep, beefy springs and an easially saturated slug.
01:02 eadthem its the things you dont expect   or the things that you are use to   that will kill ya
01:02 FunkEngine its the stuff that by all rights shouldn't be possible.
01:02 joe1212 ok so i can not git a pic  but it is from a 5inch tv
01:02 FunkEngine how old was the TV?
01:03 joe1212 let me look
01:03 FunkEngine are we talking about a donut style flyback, or the more modern PC board mount ones that stand upright?
01:03 FunkEngine and a 5" color tube is probably only like 8kv or so.
01:04 FunkEngine unless its a 5" rear projection tube, then all bets are off.
01:04 joe1212 it is a 1980 black and withe 5 inch pc board mount
01:04 detrix ferrite torroids are fun with "joule thief" circuits.
01:05 FunkEngine although Happiness is a RP-CRT tv mainboard because there's 3 identical flybacks on it so you cna idssect one to figure it out.
01:05 FunkEngine joe1212: oh B&W, any chance there's a sticker on the neck of the tube with the tube number on it?
01:05 joe1212 let me look
01:05 FunkEngine because I'm thinking that's like 4kv, tops.
01:06 eadthem BW run 5-15KV
01:06 joe1212 yes
01:06 eadthem color runs 10-30KV
01:06 joe1212 what number u need
01:07 eadthem and LCD's run 500-3000 running and 1000-5000 ignition on the CFL's
01:07 eadthem and at RF burn frequencys
01:07 FunkEngine Uhm, give me all of them.
01:07 FunkEngine because I forget the pattern CRT tubes use for numbering.
01:08 joe1212 type number 5fns4  ser no. 865114232
01:08 FunkEngine eadthem: speaking of RF burn, I hate turning the wireless on on my kindle.
01:09 eadthem ?
01:09 eadthem its sprint so probably TDMA aka EMI
01:10 eadthem CDMA ftw
01:10 joe1212 do u need the flyback ser no.
01:10 FunkEngine sprint is CDMA, always has been.
01:10 FunkEngine nope, yeah that's a 4kv tube.
01:10 FunkEngine that 4 on the end?  You guessed it.
01:11 FunkEngine the 5 on the front?  yep, easy too.
01:11 eadthem its nextel that was TDMA then
01:11 FunkEngine eadthem: nextel and AT&T
01:11 FunkEngine and t-mobile too for a while.
01:11 joe1212 so it a 4k out put
01:11 eadthem itehr way  only phone that could make a CRT unreadable  from 3 foot away
01:12 FunkEngine right, now the HV lead that came out of it, and plugged into the altor, was that just wire? or does it have a bump in it?
01:12 FunkEngine and yes "altor" is the technical term for the inside out nipple that the HV lead plugs in to on a CRT.
01:12 joe1212 how can i find the pin out of a flyback
01:13 eadthem hook it to a audio amp with a 8 ohm resistor
01:13 eadthem and use a oscope to probe it
01:13 FunkEngine Generally you can't.  You can try reverse engineering the pins by examinign the board it came off of, but most people just use an ohm meter to find the low voltage windings, then ignore them.  Because you drive the core with your own new windings anyway.
01:13 FunkEngine but we need to figure out if it is internally rectified.
01:13 FunkEngine if it is, you'll probably not get much use out of it.
01:14 joe1212 how do i find that out
01:14 FunkEngine ok, the lead that comes out the top, and originally plugged into the tube.
01:15 FunkEngine is it just a wire with a cup on the end, or is there something in the middle of it?
01:15 joe1212 just a wire and cup
01:15 FunkEngine alright, now at the top of the flyback, is the wire glued in, or is there a little rubber thing holding it in place?
01:16 joe1212 rubber thing
01:16 FunkEngine peel the rubber thing back about 3/4 of an inch.
01:16 joe1212 ok did that
01:17 FunkEngine now gently shove the wire "into" the flyback and try to twist it counterclockwise a bit.
01:17 FunkEngine it should hopefully pull out, if not try clockwise.
01:18 joe1212 ok it did
01:18 FunkEngine ok, the end of the wire you just pulled out, is it just a tiny metal cap with a pair of wings on it, or is it a long ceramic rod with a metal cap with wings on it?
01:18 joe1212 metal cap
01:18 FunkEngine ok, you have an internally rectified flyback.
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01:19 FunkEngine unfortunately not much use for coiling.
01:20 FunkEngine as to pinning it out.
01:20 joe1212 so what is it good for
01:20 FunkEngine about 4kv at maybe 15ma on a good day.
01:20 FunkEngine so, plasma globe?
01:20 joe1212 brb
01:22 FunkEngine for pinouts, if you look at the daughterboard that connects to the end of the tube, one of the pins in the socket is usually separate from the rest, that's usually the other end of the HV, so follow its wire back through the board and harness and see where it ends up connecting to the flyback traces.
01:22 joe1212 ok im back so if i did want to power it how would i
01:22 FunkEngine You'd wrap some turns of shellac insulated magnet wire around the exposed side of the ferrite core and drive them with a pair of mosfets and a 555 or a signal generator.
01:23 joe1212 any easyer way
01:23 DeKemp hey guy, i'm going off to bed almost 3:30 here
01:27 FunkEngine joe1212: that... is the easier way.
01:27 ElectricMan OI! I am druk as helll? how do i not get hung over tomrowv?
01:28 FunkEngine ElectricMan: Don't stop drinking.
01:28 ElectricMan hhhahhaha
01:28 FunkEngine Know any EMT/paramedics very well?  They could give you a saline drip.
01:28 ElectricMan no i dont
01:29 ElectricMan gucking graduated shcool today
01:29 ElectricMan awesome party and shit
01:29 FunkEngine As I see it the only way to not be hungover tomorrow is to not live to see tomorrow.  Congraduations btw.
01:29 ElectricMan bvut a bit yo much alkohol
01:30 ElectricMan yah
01:30 ElectricMan tnaks
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01:34 detrix bah weep grana weep nini bong
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01:52 joe1212 so any one know how to make a fly back work
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02:08 BitViper2 turn the fly over ? O_O
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02:16 LemPhone grarg!
02:22 Carvagon hello everybody
02:26 * BitViper2 beats Carvagon, just becaus
02:26 Carvagon lol i probably deserved it
02:26 * BitViper beats Carvagon again for deserving it
02:27 BitViper oh btw, im in a destructive mood at the moment :)
02:27 BitViper or did you notice :)
02:29 Carvagon lol u were at the lab today.  you are a product of ur environment
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02:42 Leepod Got a new fishing pole
02:43 BitViper Carvagon yes i was at the lab, but really not long. i got perms to grab one of the new alpha signs like is displaying the time and weather in the lobby and bring it back to the house to work on
02:44 Carvagon heck yeah.  thats pretty sweet!
02:44 BitViper unfortunately without success so far, but then took me a week to make the other one work thats up in the lobby now
02:44 BitViper this one has the good firmware in it, not the lame firmware in the one thats up now, im gonna have fun programming this one :) :)
02:45 BitViper hrm, wonder if i can make it do nyan cat :) :)
02:45 Leepod I'm heading to bed. Need to get up early. Goin fishin ;)
02:46 Carvagon hahahaha
02:46 Carvagon that would great
02:52 * Katemonster belches
02:53 FunkEngine BetaBrites can be a real pain in the ass to program.
02:54 FunkEngine especially without the remote.
02:57 Monkeh|Lap Hmm.
02:58 Monkeh|Lap Building a PSU, want a load switch.
02:58 Monkeh|Lap Switch rated for full load current, or relay?
02:58 FunkEngine relays add a point of failure.
02:59 FunkEngine if you can get a switch that handles the full load, go for it.
02:59 Monkeh|Lap Not too concerned about that.
02:59 Monkeh|Lap More about consistency and not having a stiff switch.
02:59 Monkeh|Lap (hoards of different buttons on the front looks dumb, don't you agree?)
02:59 FunkEngine I like positive locking action in my power throws.
02:59 FunkEngine I haven't seen it?
03:00 Monkeh|Lap It's a PSU the size of a lunchbox, you aren't getting positive locking action without lifting it off the desk.
03:01 FunkEngine Go for a big fuckoff red mushroom button.
03:01 FunkEngine pull out for off.
03:01 Monkeh|Lap ..
03:01 Monkeh|Lap Okay, anyone _serious_ want to comment?
03:01 FunkEngine ok.
03:01 FunkEngine the problem with the relay is, will the coil be 120v?
03:02 Monkeh|Lap I wasn't planning on it..
03:02 FunkEngine or are you going to have to put in a sleeper supply to energize the coil to turn the rest of it on?
03:02 FunkEngine there you go.
03:02 Monkeh|Lap .. it's a load switch
03:02 Monkeh|Lap Not a power switch
03:02 FunkEngine ohh, fuck, forget everything I said in the last 6 minutes then.
03:02 Monkeh|Lap Done.
03:03 Monkeh|Lap And I'm not entirely sure where I'd be getting 120V from anyway..
03:04 FunkEngine is this some sort of boost supply?
03:04 Monkeh|Lap No
03:04 FunkEngine DC-DC down?
03:05 Monkeh|Lap Well, yes, it will be DC-DC once you get past the rectifiers.
03:12 BitViper FunkEngine : we have the remote, and ive built my own software for the alpha 7200 thats in the lobby now, but the 7120 at my feet has the full firmware instead of some sort of stripped down firmware the one thats up now have, and this one doesnt seem to like what i wrote for the other sign =(
03:12 FunkEngine Monkeh|Lap: so are you just going to leave us wondering what its supplying, and where it is being powered from?
03:13 FunkEngine BitViper: Oh well, its only EPROMS, right?
03:13 Monkeh|Lap FunkEngine: It's being powered from my usual source of electricity.
03:13 FunkEngine Monkeh|Lap: elaborate?
03:14 Monkeh|Lap Why? There's nothing unusual about my 240VAC 50Hz electricity supply.
03:14 Monkeh|Lap Nor is there much unusual about your typical assumption I'm living in north america and using a crippled 120VAC supply.
03:14 FunkEngine ohh, right.  Yerh unna dem fyerreners takin ah jerbs. :3
03:15 FunkEngine Well, possibly your mains transformer could have been center tapped on the primary.
03:15 FunkEngine there's 120v there. :)
03:15 Monkeh|Lap Very unusual over here.
03:15 Monkeh|Lap And there are two of them
03:16 FunkEngine ok, so by the sounds of it this is a srs bsns supply in terms of current.  So what is it feeding?  Or is it just a bench supply?
03:16 Monkeh|Lap It's just a bench supply, and no, it's not a lot of current
03:16 Monkeh|Lap However, finding an appropriately compact DPST switch is harder than it sounds.
03:16 FunkEngine oh you just went dual mains transformers for isolated outputs?
03:16 Monkeh|Lap No, I went dual mains to fake a center tap
03:17 BitViper FunkEngine : yes but you have to FIND the right one to change it
03:17 BitViper you cant, afaik, reprogram what you have
03:17 FunkEngine BitViper: Errr, the three I've worked on actually had a removable EPROM hidden under a plate on the back.  Mind you these were like mid 90s vintage reg/green/amber only jobbies.
03:18 FunkEngine I have a gap from like 1999-2005 or so when they switched to USB.
03:18 FunkEngine which is what my newest one has.
03:19 FunkEngine I resurrected one because some dumbass popped the cover off and peeled the sticker off the window "looking for the version information"
03:19 FunkEngine so I cloned the chip out of my working one and slapped it in.
03:19 Monkeh|Lap FunkEngine: Hahaha, clearly he missed the 90s
03:20 Monkeh|Lap (and 80s, etc)
03:20 FunkEngine you lost me?
03:20 FunkEngine Is this an 80s are bad we don't talk about them joke?
03:20 Monkeh|Lap No
03:21 Monkeh|Lap It's a 'kiddo missed the days of UV erasable ROMs' joke
03:21 FunkEngine ohhh, see I thought you meant BitViper.
03:21 FunkEngine now I follow you.
03:21 eadthem i would love nothing more than to open this last jar of pickles i canned,  but nomatter what i do i cant get the lid off :p
03:21 FunkEngine man I'm really not on the ball tonight.
03:21 Monkeh|Lap eadthem: Let me help you with that.
03:21 Monkeh|Lap *grabs circular saw*
03:21 FunkEngine eadthem: use the church-key end of your can opener.
03:22 FunkEngine AKA the juice punch.
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03:22 FunkEngine if you don't have that, drive a small nail through the center of the lid to break the vacuum.
03:22 eadthem ya couldnt find myn
03:23 FunkEngine Alternatively, and this is the comedy labs option: Place jar in vacuum chamber and pump it out till the lid comes off.
03:23 eadthem got it off
03:24 FunkEngine At least you know you canned them properly, hermetic seal, no bacterial growth because there's still vacuum in there, etc.
03:24 eadthem there a tad strong
03:24 eadthem even for my grandmas recipe
03:24 FunkEngine acidic strong, dill strong, or garlic strong?
03:25 tonsofpcs FunkEngine: dont betabrites have 232?
03:25 FunkEngine its not even midnight, on a friday, and the lights are off in the MDH?
03:25 BitViper tonsofpcs : yes
03:25 eadthem there made with 1   1 1/2 inch long chilli peper   cloves of garlic and 2 tbsp of dill sead
03:25 BitViper tonsofpcs : or at least these alphasign models do, 232 or 485
03:26 FunkEngine tonsofpcs: well, see, that's a very funny thing, they all have 232 up till the USB switchover, but many also have 485/422 riding on an extra set of pins.
03:26 FunkEngine yeah, right.
03:26 FunkEngine ok my brain isn't totally worthless tonight.
03:26 BitViper FunkEngine : thats what these are, the 90's ish red green yellow
03:26 tonsofpcs 485 not 422?
03:27 FunkEngine can you post a pic of the back panel, and bottom panel?
03:27 FunkEngine 485 is just 422 on a bus.
03:28 FunkEngine ITS TIME TO HONK THE DATABUS! http://nedroid.com/2012/05/honk-the-databus/
03:28 BotSteve Title: Nedroid Picture Diary
03:28 BitViper this is the one i have in front of me http://www.alpha-american.com/p-alpha-7120c.html
03:28 BotSteve Title: Alpha-American Programmable Signs 1-800-223-4636 - Alpha 7120C LED Display
03:29 BitViper the one at the lab with the wimp firmware is the 7200 model
03:29 FunkEngine holy jeebus they still get almost 3 grand for those?! and they don't even have BLUE or WHITE?
03:29 BitViper yeah, theyre insane expensive
03:29 FunkEngine right, but I mean this is 2012, red/amber/green is so 1996.
03:29 BitViper yeah
03:29 FunkEngine while I'm loadin the manuals, I think you'll appreciate this idea I want to bring to fruition.
03:30 BitViper ut oh
03:30 FunkEngine so nobody changes the password or even enables it on their betabrites.
03:30 FunkEngine so what I want to do is take this 3W ir Laser Diode module I have, and make it into an IR amplifier.
03:30 FunkEngine mount it to a tripod, with collimating optics, and a basic tube-sight.
03:31 FunkEngine I then set up shop across the street from an unsuspecting business, at like 4am.
03:31 FunkEngine and I insert subliminal advertising into their messages.
03:31 FunkEngine because I have all 4 flavors of beta remote.
03:32 FunkEngine and not having to stand right in front of it (those remotes are crap past about 10 feet.) I'm less likely to be seen vandalizing them.
03:33 BitViper bahahahahaha nice
03:33 BitViper and yeah the remotes seem to have a very narrow beam
03:33 FunkEngine that, and if you point them at an IR sensor and look at the waveform, they're totally a foreign moon language.
03:33 FunkEngine nothing anywhere near a normal remote.
03:33 BitViper lol
03:33 FunkEngine http://www.alpha-american.com/p-alpha-message-loader.html
03:33 BotSteve Title: Alpha-American Programmable Signs - 1-800-223-4636 to Order - Alpha Message Loader
03:34 FunkEngine ahahaha, fuck that could be handy.  I tried to teach my palm pilot to talk to one (would have been fun in bars along with my universal remote application to play with the TVs)
03:34 FunkEngine and that was when I discovered that alphas/betas do not speak normal IR 40khz language.
03:34 BitViper hahahaha
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03:36 FunkEngine ok, and I'm not hallucinating, the 4000 series at least had socketed eproms.
03:37 BitViper well i havent looked, but the other guy on the signs project suggested that they are socketed, but are proms
03:37 BitViper for these
03:37 FunkEngine ok, under "Related Accessories and Replacement Parts" there is "Firmware Update" but its not a link.
03:37 FunkEngine so we know they can be updated.
03:37 BitViper probably for a buck or 20
03:37 FunkEngine could possibly be blown proms.
03:38 FunkEngine still once programmed an EPROM is just an expensive PROM substitute.
03:38 BitViper the reason the other sign has wimpy firmware was the owner needed a lightweight interface or something
03:38 FunkEngine so pop the back off and see if there's any "classic" 512k C series chips.
03:38 FunkEngine you mean this? http://www.alpha-american.com/p-alpha-discrete-input-interface.html
03:38 BotSteve Title: Alpha-American Programmable Signs - 1-800-223-4636 to Order - Alpha Discrete Input Interface
03:39 FunkEngine The Alpha Discrete Input Interface connects to as many as 32 contacts in blocks of 8 inputs. The interface mounts on a standard 35mm DIN rail and is easily connected to power, contacts and RS485 serial communications to the Alpha marquees.
03:39 FunkEngine hot damn.
03:39 FunkEngine See, i only worked with the Babby size signs.
03:39 BitViper O_O
03:39 BitViper hrm, that could be way too much fun LOL
03:39 FunkEngine THIRTY TWO TRIGGERS!
03:39 FunkEngine and since it all goes in OVER the 485 bus...
03:40 FunkEngine its doable in software and a bit pusher.
03:40 FunkEngine STOP THE PRESSES!
03:40 BitViper we could use those to connect the voltage/etc sensors in stomper, thumper, etc, which is one thing we want to do
03:40 FunkEngine HIT THE EMO BUTTON.
03:40 FunkEngine I HAVE THE SOLUTION!
03:40 BitViper ut oh
03:41 FunkEngine uploadsin.
03:42 FunkEngine http://www.funkengine.net/alpha/7000-firmware-swap.pdf
03:42 FunkEngine taaa-daaa!
03:42 FunkEngine brb, urine.
03:43 FunkEngine ok, back.
03:43 FunkEngine have you opened the secret compartment?
03:43 BitViper cool, now all we need is an appropriate chip with programming
03:43 FunkEngine Uh.
03:43 FunkEngine Remove chip from the one on the wall in the cafe.
03:44 FunkEngine dump contents to a bin file.
03:44 BitViper oh, and copy off the ones in these
03:44 FunkEngine put chip back, insert other chip and burn.
03:44 BitViper assuming the chips are eprom, not prom
03:44 FunkEngine well, get bins/hexes of both sets of chips.
03:44 FunkEngine it doesn't matter.
03:44 BitViper yeah of course backup everything first
03:44 FunkEngine if its a PROM, you just read it out and burn it to a EPROM.
03:45 BitViper true
03:45 FunkEngine they're drop in pin equivalents.
03:45 FunkEngine and FFS if I have a box full of EPROMS/EEPROMS I'm sure the lab does too.
03:45 FunkEngine and if not, tell me what the number on it is and I'll send some blanks.
03:47 BitViper cool, i'll look into it because having the good firmware on the bigger sign would be SWEEEEEEET
03:48 BitViper im about to go sack, but thanks for the input
03:48 FunkEngine there's also the possibility that they're BOTH several revisions behind and we could add functionality.
03:48 FunkEngine I shall search for hexes for them.
03:48 BitViper which would be even better if you or someone can get hold of the updated images
03:49 BitViper im out, thanks again, talk at ya later
03:49 FunkEngine also I just grabbed one of my smaller sacks of chips, I have some 512s, some 256s, and some 128s.
03:49 FunkEngine anytime!
03:57 tonsofpcs hi
03:57 * tonsofpcs is at a keyboard now, no more tablet he can't type on
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04:22 FunkEngine heh
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04:37 FunkEngine what's the command to have BotSteve store a message?
04:40 FunkEngine BotSteve, help
04:40 BotSteve FunkEngine: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is BatSteve.
04:40 FunkEngine ahh.
04:42 FunkEngine oooor not.
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04:43 Toastdude Hi
04:44 FunkEngine toooooooaaaast!
04:46 FunkEngine BotSteve, tell BitViper FunkEngine needs to know what version is on both of the signs, and which is which.  Its the number string that comes up when you apply power. Send it to Funk in a /privmsg.
04:46 BotSteve FunkEngine: I'll pass that on when BitViper is around.
04:51 FunkEngine sooo, its a friday night, where is everyone?
04:51 FunkEngine or is it zomb night?
04:54 FunkEngine too late for my own country, too early for the brits.
04:54 FunkEngine AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!
05:03 FunkEngine Did the bombs fall and I just didn't get the memo?
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05:12 Twiddlekins__ Oi Oi Oi
05:14 FunkEngine yay!
05:16 Twiddlekins_ woo!
05:18 FunkEngine boo on the youtube trolls.
05:18 FunkEngine 15 minutes? fsck that.
05:18 FunkEngine I ENJOY the > 60 minute captain blogs.
05:27 FunkEngine Adobe, why you gotta be like this.  Passive/Agressive passion then frigidness, teasing with no reward.
05:27 FunkEngine just let me freaking set the default view settings in acrobat the way I damn well want them!?!?!?!?>!?!?!?!?!!!!!@!%$#Q^%#$@^N $Q%^Y
05:32 FunkEngine I'll even settle for just the hand tool as default!
05:33 FunkEngine *facepalm*
05:33 FunkEngine ok, seriously Adobe.
05:33 FunkEngine Why am I getting a FRAPS FPS counter in an ACROBAT READER window?
05:35 FunkEngine in like 3 years they're going to sell one product called Adobe Convergence and its the ONLY product you can buy, it costs 15,000 dollars, and replaces their ENTIRE lineup of current products for video, audio, images, documents, flash, webdev, fonts, and whatever else they make that nobody uses.
05:36 Katemonster No, it'll be called Adobe Bend-Over
05:43 FunkEngine no that's the codename for the CS master suite.
05:45 FunkEngine maybe one of you can tell me.
05:46 FunkEngine how long after Adobe bought out Macromedia did they wait to take the original "flash" creator thing (director?) out the back door and stuff it in the boot alongside the shovels and sacks of lime?
05:48 FunkEngine Because I hadn't poked flash from that end since like 1999 or so (I was still on a win95 box!) and when I saw flash CS 5.5 I was like "woah, this is like photoshop, after-effects, and audition all ejaculated into a turkey baster and shoved it into Illustrator's reproductive hole and squeezed.
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06:21 dr_jkl Katemonster: Adobendover.
06:21 dr_jkl Adobe Ndover.
06:26 FunkEngine yeah, we need to prod some arduino type geeks into the led signs.
06:26 FunkEngine there's so very much untapped potential.
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06:33 Cprossu time for bed, weee
06:35 Electricguy morning
06:39 FunkEngine hey, do the labs need these?  Its not a half bad price for a class 10... http://sellout.woot.com/offers/centon-64gb-class-10-sdxc-card
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06:39 BotSteve Title: Sellout.Woot
06:40 Electricguy not that very fast
06:40 Electricguy the Sandisk SDHC Ultra class 4 is faster
06:41 Electricguy the sandisk SDHC  Extreme HD (class 10) is 30MB/s
06:41 FunkEngine right, but price-wise?
06:42 Electricguy yeah.. it's pretty cheap. but not very fast
06:42 FunkEngine much like TGG.  slow and steady on a tight budget.
06:44 FunkEngine ahaha, total facepalm.
06:44 FunkEngine going by amtrak would cost me $120 one way and take THIRTY TWO HOURS.
06:45 FunkEngine I can drive there for about $80 in under 12.
06:45 FunkEngine Is it any wonder why we don't have decent mass transit?
06:47 FunkEngine either my car is awesome, or I figured something wrong.
06:47 FunkEngine yeah I can go out and back for $160 in gas.
06:48 FunkEngine call it $200 round trip with road food.
06:49 BatSteve hi BotSteve
06:49 BotSteve Salutations BatSteve
06:49 BotSteve batsteve: I have the following messages for you:
06:49 BotSteve At 06:49Z, Thermoelectric asked me to tell batsteve that I say hi back.
06:49 Electricguy ahoy batsteve!
06:49 BatSteve BotSteve: tell Thermoelectric THAT'S AWESOME THE BOT WORKS ACROSS NETWORKS
06:49 BotSteve BatSteve: I'll pass that on when Thermoelectric is around.
06:53 * Thermoelectric wonders what the SA and USA pins on this exit light are for... :/
06:54 FunkEngine what pins are they near?
06:55 Thermoelectric Neutral and earth, obviously the two actives, but I'm not sure what is so important about needing two.
06:55 FunkEngine redundancy is good in emergency lighting.
06:56 FunkEngine one of them is probably a main power feed, and the other monitors the lighting circuit for failure.
06:56 FunkEngine Switched A?  Unswitched A?
06:56 Thermoelectric One goes to the transformer, so that'll be just for battery operation (and maybe it runs the lamp solely from the inverter in that case?), the other seems to go to the lamp directly through a relay...
06:56 BotSteve thermoelectric: I have the following messages for you:
06:56 BotSteve At 06:56Z, BatSteve asked me to tell thermoelectric something in the new server
06:56 BatSteve ha
06:56 BatSteve darn
06:56 BatSteve never mind
06:56 FunkEngine inverter?  I thought they just used 12v sealed beam bulbs?
06:57 FunkEngine oh wait, exit sign.
06:57 Thermoelectric Nah, this one is the exit sign thingy, with a fluoro.
06:57 FunkEngine tubes, yeah
06:57 Thermoelectric Wondering how it would start the tube.
06:58 FunkEngine aren't they bipin with filaments?
06:58 FunkEngine and would it actually have to start the tube.
06:58 FunkEngine think about it.
06:58 Thermoelectric Yeah, but this only runs a single wire to each end.
06:58 FunkEngine power is on, tubes are on. power is out, tube stays on via battery.
06:59 Electricguy is it a amergency exit sign or just a simple exit sign?
06:59 FunkEngine it has a battery, so I'd say emergency.
06:59 Thermoelectric Emergency.
06:59 Electricguy oki
07:00 FunkEngine screw electric exit signs, GTLS work just fine.  *angry fist at the NRC*
07:00 Thermoelectric It appears the tube has the option to run either from mains then switch to inverter, or just run from the inverter all the time.
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07:00 Thermoelectric Though there is no starting circuitry that I can see on the mains side of it to ignite the lamp\
07:01 FunkEngine so it just whacks it with enough voltage to start it, and limits the current.
07:01 Thermoelectric From when can 10W fluoros start with 240V?
07:01 Electricguy never
07:01 FunkEngine yeah, they're like 450 min.
07:01 Electricguy but the inverter should give around 2kV out
07:01 Thermoelectric Exactly.
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07:02 Thermoelectric Yeah, but it can run the lamp without the inverter, by the looks of it.
07:02 Electricguy well, if there is no ignition circuitry for that.. then, no :P
07:02 FunkEngine well, disable the inverter, and power it up for science.
07:03 Thermoelectric I shall try, looks like my mains solder joints went pop last time I tried though!  :P
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07:33 FunkEngine alright, the UK should be awake by now...
07:34 MoxieMike one would think
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07:37 Experimentonomen g'mornin peepz, geeks, nerds and weirdos
07:37 FunkEngine that's more like it.
07:37 Electricguy ahoy
07:40 FunkEngine random question, where did the optics bench come from?
07:40 FunkEngine I somehow missed that one, just found it on Chris's facebook
07:43 Thermoelectric Looks like this exit sign still works... Not sure why they threw it out.
07:43 Thermoelectric Maybe they just wired it wrong in the first place to not charge? :P
07:43 Thermoelectric Toasty resistor on it though.
07:44 FunkEngine so HOW DOES IT START!?!?
07:45 Thermoelectric I'm still not certain, but it relies on the earth contacting the back of the tube for the most part.
07:45 FunkEngine heh, toasty resistors: Because somebody forgot that tolerance isn't just for resistance!
07:46 FunkEngine 10w resistor with 10% tolerance shouldn't ever be expected to sink more than 9w. :3
07:46 FunkEngine Ohhhhh, like a flash lamp trigger.
07:46 FunkEngine Sneeeaky
07:46 Thermoelectric And that's what they're doing here! 10W resistor in series with a cap running the tube
07:47 FunkEngine Ignorance, not stupidity will be the end of all as we know it.
07:47 Thermoelectric Maybe, though the earth doesn't directly do anything, merely just a contact point. There is a little diode that feeds a smaller resistor which may be creating the starting pulse...
07:47 Thermoelectric Yup.
07:47 FunkEngine I don't see how you can get a pulse out of a resistor and diode.
07:48 FunkEngine there'd need to be some sort of capacitor, or at least a half wave rectifier doubler thingy.
07:48 FunkEngine for science put something insulating behind the tube and see if it starts.
07:48 Thermoelectric It didn't start when it wasn't on the earth. Started when I grabbed it though.
07:48 FunkEngine ah, there you go.
07:49 Thermoelectric No caps visible apart from the one in series with the tube.
07:49 FunkEngine did it "start" you at all? :3
07:49 Thermoelectric Nup, no noticeable bite.
07:49 FunkEngine I remember my twin tube coleman camping lantern.
07:50 FunkEngine I'd unscrew the top to expose the bulbs like you wanted to remove them, dare one of the guys to put his hand flat across the whole thing (both tubes, and the center post for the power) and I'd switch it on and see how long they could stand it.
07:51 Thermoelectric Hah, that would have been entertaining.
07:51 FunkEngine I think the record was somewhere between 35 and 40 seconds, and he said he couldn't feel that hand for like the next day.
07:52 Thermoelectric Oh wow, it had that much of a bite? Awesome!
07:52 FunkEngine I wonder what kind of caps live in a set of difibrulator paddles...
07:53 FunkEngine well, it was like 450v, and they were twin tube.
07:53 Thermoelectric Ooh, one sec, I'll find a Youtube vid on it!
07:53 FunkEngine difibrulator dissection? yes plox.
07:55 Thermoelectric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-Wv9YAfv0
07:55 BotSteve Title: Defibrillator teardown - YouTube
07:55 Thermoelectric Anmost thought I wouldn't find it.
07:56 Thermoelectric almost*
07:57 FunkEngine heh, did NOT expect to find a RTC module in one.
07:58 Thermoelectric Wonder why... Haven't seen that vid for a while.
07:59 FunkEngine I mean its not like you'd need one.
07:59 FunkEngine unless it was a cheap suitably accurate time reference.
07:59 FunkEngine for the 10 second monitoring period before they let you whack 1800v upside the nipples.
07:59 Thermoelectric Possibly.
08:00 FunkEngine I still want to plop a steak on thumper's test stand.
08:01 FunkEngine not a good steak though.
08:01 MoxieMike CNC Machinery at the Goddard Spaceflight Center:  http://i.imgur.com/wM2uq.jpg
08:01 MoxieMike they use Haas!
08:01 FunkEngine of course.
08:02 FunkEngine Being a Metrologist at NASA has to be one of the most FUN jobs in the world.
08:02 FunkEngine You get to calibrate/check-calibration on EVERYTHING.
08:05 Twiddlekins_ this is some novel use of the word fun with which i am unfamiliar
08:06 FunkEngine you get to play with every piece of test equipment.
08:06 Twiddlekins_ probably not so much "play" as follow set procedures to the letter
08:10 FunkEngine obviously not.  see huibble mirror fiasco.
08:10 FunkEngine :3
08:11 Twiddlekins_ well.. that was more an oversight, and a tricky thing to test on the ground
08:11 Twiddlekins_ so they kinda gambled and lost... but it worked out ok in the end
08:11 Twiddlekins_ although challenger...
08:12 FunkEngine http://i.imgur.com/QMp6X.png
08:12 Twiddlekins_ wut...
08:14 FunkEngine now if it wasn't a celeron M chip, I'd have thought maybe someone hornswoggled him and sold him two systems but put a crap chip in the second.
08:14 FunkEngine but one is a laptop ffs.
08:17 FunkEngine BotSteve, tell Cprossu look at this, and try not to let your blood pressure rise... http://i.imgur.com/QMp6X.png
08:17 BotSteve FunkEngine: I'll pass that on when Cprossu is around.
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08:22 Thermoelectric What would a 225J 250V cap be rated at? (uF)
08:25 FunkEngine ask wolfram alpha?
08:27 FunkEngine that falls into the gray area of maths for me.  Learn it once, forget it, and then just use the internet when you need it.
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08:52 Thermoelectric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg8Bh5iI2WY
08:52 BotSteve Title: Ultimate Battlefield 3 Simulator - Build & Test (Full Video) - The Gadget Show - YouTube
09:53 Thermoelectric That resistor must just be put in a place where it is going to get really hot... Don't think I can drop the current it passes any without sacrificing performance.
10:02 Sgt_Lemming ffs, Ghost Recon: Future Soldier has been delayed again
10:02 Sgt_Lemming til 29/06
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10:18 Electricguy sigh.. just realized that i need to find another 8 syep rotary switch! -,-
10:18 Electricguy yeyy...
10:31 Electricguy or simply just modify the internals of the existing one :D
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11:05 Electricguy I.. think i'll pick the PC.. :P http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181806_10150968169224617_1958882630_n.jpg
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11:05 Electricguy cause the mac got no nuts and no dick..
11:05 Electricguy and no DAMN AWESOME MACHINEGUN!
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11:28 killakee^away wtf 15 mins timelimit on the cb X(
11:29 killakee^away some trolls
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12:14 Leepod Yo
12:14 Leepod Going fishing probably
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12:21 mashpriborintorg hiya
12:23 Chipguy bate
12:23 Chipguy byte
12:38 ElectricguyLab ok, gonna build an arduino Punk console.. feel free to watch the stream :) www.ustream.tv/channel/electricguy
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12:42 wannabe1987 omg the internet!  it still exists!
12:42 wannabe1987 silly old people didn't have wired OR wireless internet
12:42 wannabe1987 but now, it are bedtime
12:42 wannabe1987 night!
12:54 Sgt_Lemming boden got a new camera for captain's log?
12:55 mashpriborintorg yeah... schmutzcam
12:55 mashpriborintorg lots of schmutz on the lens
12:56 Sgt_Lemming yes, but no chunk of missing lens
12:56 Sgt_Lemming thinking his next camera should be a rugged one
12:56 Sgt_Lemming Canon D20 looks good, and he likes Canon camera's
12:57 mashpriborintorg or  some of the tought all weather ones
12:57 Sgt_Lemming D20 is that
12:57 Sgt_Lemming .g Canon D20 Dpreview
12:57 BotSteve Sgt_Lemming: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos20d
12:57 Sgt_Lemming fail BotSteve, fail
12:57 Sgt_Lemming http://www.dpreview.com/search/?query=canon%20d20&amp;product=canon_d20&amp;terms=canon%20d20 <--- that one
12:57 BotSteve Title: Site Search
12:58 mashpriborintorg ah ok, they have D20 ans 20D
12:59 Sgt_Lemming yeah
12:59 Sgt_Lemming no lens cover for egrsteve to destroy either!
13:00 mashpriborintorg and doesn't look like a hamster, so cory proof also
13:00 * Sgt_Lemming throws up a little a thte thought of that
13:01 Sgt_Lemming also looks like there is no 10 minute limit on movies!
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13:16 Leepod Hello
13:21 Sgt_Lemming blarg!
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13:42 * Experimentonomen has been out walking for around 3 hours because his internet connection blatantly refused to work no matter what
13:43 BitViper WOOT, I have the beginnings of nyan-cat for the new alpha signs for the lab :) muahahahahaa
13:43 BotSteve bitviper: I have the following messages for you:
13:43 BotSteve At 04:46Z, FunkEngine asked me to tell bitviper FunkEngine needs to know what version is on both of the signs, and which is which.  Its the number string that comes up when you apply power. Send it to Funk in a /privmsg.
13:43 * BitViper runs
13:45 Experimentonomen its weird how this nyan cat thing is getting so much use lately
13:51 BitViper To quote a "famous person" ... "Its a thing"
13:51 BitViper too bad the signs cant do sound beyond a simple beep :)
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14:12 Sgt_Lemming http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ferei-bl200-water-resistant-xm-lt6-2-mode-1600-lumen-memory-2-led-white-bike-light-w-battery-pack-82710 <--- someone buy me this plxkthx!
14:12 BotSteve Title: FEREI BL200 Water Resistant XM-LT6 2-Mode 2x800LM Memory 2-LED White Bike Light w/ Battery Pack - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
14:13 * Sgt_Lemming needs a new headlight
14:13 Sgt_Lemming and a new tail light
14:13 Sgt_Lemming and new gears, and new brakes
14:25 Carvagon well that sucks
14:36 tonsofpcs BitViper: but you could make a 'live controller' to run them and a speaker...
14:36 tonsofpcs also, you should totally decode NOAA SAME (or perhaps just use their CAP feed, or maybe both) to feed weather alerts for the GR FIPS to the display
14:37 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/Kdszn.png
14:40 Experimentonomen damn wasps keep flying in through my balcony door :/
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14:44 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon Chipguy
14:44 Chipguy hey Experimentonomen
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14:47 tonsofpcs the lab actually might have some old TFT or SAGE boxes that could be hijacked for some fun betabrite control
14:47 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon sparky
14:48 SparkyProjects hi
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15:09 BitViper tonsofpcs : it would be difficult i think to sync the activity of the sign with an external sound player, hrmmmmm
15:10 BitViper tonsofpcs : noaa same/etc for what ?
15:10 BitViper oh n/m
15:10 BitViper noaa is where im getting the current weather info thats being displayed on the sign now
15:11 BitViper but i havent found a good source of TEXT ONLY alerts that is easily parseable
15:11 BitViper just the current weather
15:12 Electricguy todays little Arduino project! =) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tWjdDD9_U
15:12 BotSteve Title: Arduino Punk Console - YouTube
15:12 Damianz That's a lot of knobs
15:13 Electricguy nope :P
15:13 Electricguy especially NOT for a sequencer :P
15:13 einball lol :D
15:14 Electricguy LOL! so much true shit! :D http://www.damnlol.com/weird-90s-cartoon-logic-21042.html
15:14 BotSteve Title: Weird 90's Cartoon Logic - Damn! LOL
15:25 Sgt_Lemming Electricguy, see the new toy I can't?
15:25 Sgt_Lemming gah
15:25 Sgt_Lemming got
15:26 Electricguy what toy?
15:26 Sgt_Lemming http://www.freetronics.com/products/leostick
15:26 BotSteve Title: Parts & Kits for Arduino Online, Buy Microcontroller Boards, Electronic Components for Arduino - LeoStick (Arduino Compatible) - Freetronics
15:26 Electricguy oh nice! :D
15:26 Electricguy brb!
15:26 Sgt_Lemming brh
15:34 tonsofpcs BitViper: Alerts != current weather
15:35 tonsofpcs (here now)
15:35 tonsofpcs SAME is the message encoding protocol that NOAA weather radio uses for alerts
15:36 tonsofpcs an EAS encoder/decoder (such as a Sage or TFT that the lab might have) can decode the SAME and spit it out as serial.  You could even get it to fire a relay to play out the audible portion of the alert too.
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15:39 injektion Who makes a good UPS other than APC?
15:41 injektion It's going to start storming here tomorow and I don't want the server to lose power again
15:42 BitViper tonsofpcs : yes i know, but i have no way of receiving or decoding the SAME codes (though a friend has such a project in the works for other purposes) and have not found any source of easily parseable text based alerts so I can put them on the sign. All ive been able to come up with is the current weather as currently displayed on the sign
15:46 BitViper WOOT, animated nyan cat coming soon do a tgg lobby display near you :)
15:47 * BitViper is laughing his ass off
15:47 * Experimentonomen mumbles
15:48 injektion What the hell is NEMA 5-15P
15:50 * injektion facepalms
15:50 SparkyProjects http://www.server-rack-online.com/power-strips-pop-up-rackmount.html
15:50 BotSteve Title: Server Racks Online Rackmount Power Strips
15:51 injektion I need to stop doing things when I am in a pissed off mood
15:52 tonsofpcs BitViper: are you at the lab?
15:53 tonsofpcs injektion: a NEMA 5-15P is the plug that goes into a 'standard' US wall socket, 3-prong, 15A rated...
15:53 injektion I figured it out 2 minuites after I asked that question lol
15:53 tonsofpcs NEMA 5-15R is the matching receptacle
15:54 tonsofpcs 5-20P is the 20A version (one straight pin is turn sideways).  L5-20P is a 20A twist-lock (grounding pin turns inward), etc.
15:56 injektion I have never bought a UPS before and I am worried :/
15:56 tonsofpcs and yes, there is a L5-15P (twist lock 15A) but they're odd since they aren't pin-compatible with L5-20R (a 5-15P can mate with a 5-20R because the receptacle has a tee shaped socket for the pin that gets turned sideways -|)
15:57 tonsofpcs injektion: what are you ordering?
15:57 tonsofpcs note: to install a UPS, you need to lose power.
15:57 injektion I am going to buy it at a retail store becasuse there are thunderstorms coming in and I cannot afford the server to act funny after another power outage
15:59 injektion Do I need to factor in the VA and the wattage?
15:59 tonsofpcs APC, Eaton PowerWare, CyberPower, ... you want an 'online' or 'double conversion' UPS, you do not want a 'line interactive' UPS or an offline/'standby' UPS
16:00 tonsofpcs injektion: yes.
16:01 tonsofpcs oh, and just the server (and any necessary peripherals like external hdd enclosures) will get put on battery.  Don't put your monitor or printer (or other things) on battery.
16:01 injektion I used the APC configurator and I need 100VA and 670W
16:02 tonsofpcs for how long?
16:04 * Experimentonomen makes some pasta with cheese and bacon
16:04 injektion 10 minutes
16:05 injektion http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMC1000&amp;fnl=4607,5&amp;fnl_basket=4607,6c
16:05 BotSteve Title: APC Smart-UPS C 1000VA LCD 120V
16:05 * Electricguy returns
16:06 tonsofpcs don't buy the ones with the LCD, they're a waste of money and you never look at the LCD other than to check incoming voltage on first install... get one that has a USB or 232 connection (or even ethernet perhaps) and run the software on the server to monitor and control the UPS and safe-shutdown when the battery is low.
16:11 tonsofpcs injektion: what is your computer's power supply rating?
16:13 injektion Max. output of power supply 685 W
16:13 injektion Standard power supply output 700 W
16:13 injektion Hot-plug power supply output 800 W
16:14 tonsofpcs so you'
16:15 tonsofpcs actually... what stores can you buy these things at?
16:15 injektion Frys
16:15 tonsofpcs because you're going to be more limited by what they have
16:17 injektion http://www.frys.com/category/Outpost/PCtab/Power+Protection/Server+UPS+Systems/
16:17 BotSteve Title: Fry's Electronics |
16:22 tonsofpcs ups manufacturers really make it hard to compare specs...
16:22 Sgt_Lemming purposefully so
16:22 tonsofpcs right
16:23 injektion I don't even know what to buy
16:24 tonsofpcs http://www.frys.com/product/5885053?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG is close to your needs but if your PC is fully loaded (doubtful) it won't give you a full 10 minutes.  Note that it is line-interactive.
16:24 BotSteve Title: FRYS.com | CYBER POWER
16:25 Experimentonomen i dunno why but the name "Frys" always make me think food chain even though i know its a electrical bits outlet
16:26 tonsofpcs Sgt_Lemming: I see one APC UPS that's advertised as something like "1300 VA" and "800 watts" and "up to 140 minutes of runtime" and on APC's sites they say that the VA numbers they show are totally useless.... and you know that "140 minutes"  is without any load...
16:26 * Sgt_Lemming nods
16:26 tonsofpcs and it doesn't even say if it's line-interactive, standby, or double-conversion
16:28 * Sgt_Lemming nods
16:28 tonsofpcs now, you also have to be aware, injektion, that batteries die over time.  Your battery will have a 'half life' at which point it will only run for half as long as it is rated, this is generally when you replace it.  You'll probably want to replace it while your server is running, so you either need a bypass switch or a UPS that lets you swap batteries hot, or a UPS with an internal bypass, or a second PSU on the server that you
16:28 * Sgt_Lemming sighs at people hating on arduino
16:28 Sgt_Lemming "zomg, arduino is shit because I can't do this super advanced thing with it"
16:29 injektion tonsofpcs, The power here goes off for 30-40 seconds at a time
16:29 tonsofpcs we rated the monolithic UPS that we installed such that at 'half life' it will last 20 minutes with our expected full draw (startup) load.  Oh, also note that your UPS needs to be rated high enough that your startup load won't throw it, since you need to start up on it.
16:30 tonsofpcs some line-interactive or standby UPSs will be able to start your system on mains and only switch to battery when mains fails but be careful as your startup draw on mains might make the UPS see a voltage fluctuation that will make it trip to battery...
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16:34 DeKemp hallo
16:34 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon kemppi
16:35 DeKemp you where swedish right?
16:35 Experimentonomen kindof
16:36 DeKemp ?
16:36 Experimentonomen i was born and grew up in seweden
16:37 Experimentonomen but who knows where my grandparents parents came from
16:41 injektion It's either the choice of APC or CyberPower now >_<
16:42 Damianz Experimentonomen: I'd suggest from your great grandparents
16:43 DeKemp http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/the-10-most-annoying-things-non-geeks-ask-you-to-do-1083343
16:43 BotSteve Title: The 10 most annoying things non-geeks ask you to do | News | TechRadar
16:49 tonsofpcs #1: Install windows?
16:52 Experimentonomen injektion, go with APC, they are more well known
16:53 tonsofpcs did you find an APC that meets your needs?
16:53 Experimentonomen CyperPower i've never heard of before
17:01 injektion tonsofpcs, APC lists it on their website like it does
17:02 injektion Plus the APC one I can use with EXSi to turn the server off when the battery gets lwo
17:02 injektion low*
17:03 injektion That's the most important feature
17:14 * Experimentonomen eats a dick... err banana for dessert
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17:21 Leepod Hey
17:24 mashpriborintorg Chris has been delivered at the lab yay
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17:49 * wannabe-zz needs more sleep but i cannot sleep
17:49 wannabe-zz i um work another 12 tonight :D
17:50 dr_jkl wannabe-zz: you got a few minutes free?
17:50 wannabe-zz yeah
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18:17 Electricguy HAHA! XD http://www.damnlol.com/how-germans-see-germans-21048.html
18:17 BotSteve Title: How Germans See Germans - Damn! LOL
18:22 dr_jkl ok
18:22 dr_jkl EVERYBODY OUT
18:22 wannabe1987 ?
18:22 Topic for #thegeekgroup is now This channel has moved: irc.thegeekgroup.org #thegeekgroup
18:23 Electricguy the... fuck? o_O
18:23 wannabe1987 what?  you didn't know we were getting a new irc channel?
18:24 Electricguy no..
18:24 dr_jkl SURPRISE!
18:24 wannabe1987 ah.  well, weare
18:24 Electricguy and whats the difference with the new channel name? looks identical..
18:24 wannabe1987 this one is irc.freenode.org
18:24 wannabe1987 that one is irc.thegeekgroup.org
18:24 Electricguy OH!
18:24 Electricguy why not run on freenode?
18:24 dr_jkl it's inhouse
18:25 dr_jkl because the powers that be decided to move it in house
18:25 Electricguy yeyy.. ping delay ftw! :3
18:25 wannabe1987 so we can take over the world with out them knowing, duh!
18:25 wannabe1987 jkl, i like my reason better
18:25 Electricguy whats the uplink speed from TGG?
18:26 dr_jkl its not actually at the lab, it's a colocated server
18:26 Experimentonomen like your average domesting internet connection
18:26 Experimentonomen nowhere even close to that of a real irc server
18:27 Experimentonomen i dident even know software existed to allow anyone to start up their own irc server
18:27 Electricguy brb
18:27 wannabe1987 Experimentonomen: thats why its offsite, not at the lab
18:27 Electricguy anyone can set up a IRC server at home.. :P
18:27 Experimentonomen then its not inhose
18:27 dr_jkl it's inhouse in the sense that now the geek group controls all aspects of their own irc
18:28 dr_jkl don't be a pedant
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18:37 tonsofpcs is it IPv6 capable?
18:39 dr_jkl it can be
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18:42 Electricguy ok, back from the noms :P
18:43 tonsofpcs om nom nom
18:43 wannabe1987 what kind of noms?
18:44 tonsofpcs the om kind, obviously :D
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18:46 tonsofpcs BA-CON!
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18:47 Electricguy for the ones that didn't see it earlier.. todays little Arduino project :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tWjdDD9_U
18:47 BotSteve Title: Arduino Punk Console - YouTube
18:51 Experimentonomen in the near future you'll have an arduino that apon powerup says through a speakjet ic "who are you?" then when u answer "i programmed you" the arduino answers "are you my father?" then you answer "in a way, yes" ;)
18:51 wannabe1987 creepy
18:51 Electricguy LOL :P
18:54 tonsofpcs what's with the love of arduinos for everything?  do we no longer choose tools based upon need?  or is the arduino a hammer and every problem really a nail?
18:55 Experimentonomen anyone who knows what the quoted lines above comes from gets a cookie ;)
18:55 tonsofpcs ok, joshua.
18:55 Electricguy the thing is.. i had an arduino laying around gathering dust.. and i wanted to make a noise box / sequencer :P
18:56 Electricguy if i didn't have an Arduino laying around i would have done it the old fashion way with 40 series logics :D
18:56 Experimentonomen sorry tonsofpcs its not from wargames, even if one would think so
18:57 tonsofpcs there was an exchange like that in the second one, no?
18:57 Experimentonomen nope
18:58 Experimentonomen its not from a real life filmed movie
18:58 tonsofpcs it's not like anyone watches movies based on video games...
18:58 tonsofpcs (and I think your quote is a bit off... although I suppose those words may have been used in the cartoon?)
18:59 Experimentonomen it it from a cartoon yes
19:01 Experimentonomen and it caught my eyes due to the technology aspect, made me wonder how powerful of a microcontroller such thing would use if it was in real life
19:01 Experimentonomen if even all computers on earth today would be enuf
19:01 Electricguy hmmm..
19:01 tonsofpcs it wouldn't, it would be a network of interconnected systems.
19:01 Electricguy u talking about that wrist mounted thing?
19:01 Experimentonomen nope
19:02 Electricguy hmm ok. darn :P
19:02 tonsofpcs no, he's talking about rock, who was /built/
19:02 Electricguy thinking about the wrong thing then.. lol :P
19:05 Experimentonomen and actually i think it was the other way round, the video game was based on the cartoon
19:05 Electricguy yayy! i have made a display in minecraft that displays "Hello World" with the push of a button :P
19:06 Experimentonomen Electricguy, if you like redstone, you'll love redpower 2
19:06 tonsofpcs well, the first game was 1987...
19:06 Experimentonomen in 87 i was 2 years old
19:06 tonsofpcs and he was apparently first on TV in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_N:_The_Game_Master
19:06 Electricguy yeah i have to try redpower 2 :P
19:06 BotSteve Title: Captain N: The Game Master - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:07 tonsofpcs me too.
19:08 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/Kdszn.png <-- having some fun with buildcraft
19:08 Electricguy here is my display :P http://i.imgur.com/yTMYc.jpg
19:09 Electricguy the program counter for it http://i.imgur.com/X7vSp.jpg
19:09 tonsofpcs silly minecrafters
19:09 Electricguy the program memory http://i.imgur.com/KJkWM.jpg
19:09 tonsofpcs stop playing with MC and build a PCR for MPEG2.
19:09 Electricguy and the back of the display :P http://i.imgur.com/51ggJ.png
19:12 Experimentonomen which do you like more, your piston based display or the redstone lamps ?
19:13 Electricguy my piston based
19:13 Electricguy cause it looks awesome when it's dark
19:14 Electricguy my old small 7 seg version in the dark http://i.imgur.com/ruwGV.png
19:16 Experimentonomen and it seems i have to disconnect my connection and reconnect yet again, this day have been especially bad, totally unusable for like 3 hours
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19:19 joe1212 ok so i made my own fly back
19:20 tonsofpcs oy vey
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19:42 Monkeh Experimentonomen: So.. if the software doesn't exist, how do IRC servers exist?
19:43 wannabe1987 magic.  DUH
19:43 Experimentonomen i meand software existing for anyone to download
19:43 wannabe1987 magic and pixie dust
19:43 Monkeh Experimentonomen: It's an open protocol which has been standardised since the late 80s.
19:44 Monkeh It's not like IRC servers are run by some top-secret cabal of in-people, it's just a service like any other.
19:45 tonsofpcs you can IRC with telnet.
19:45 tonsofpcs it's possible.
19:46 Coderjoe just not that friendly
19:47 Monkeh tonsofpcs: You can internets in general with telnet.
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19:48 coderjoe-telnet you can do it, but it isn't fun...
19:48 coderjoe-telnet since you have to type the full protocol message for each command
19:49 coderjoe-telnet PRIVMSG #thegeekgroup :which looks like this
19:49 coderjoe-telnet though you can leave off the sender portion at the start, as the server will add that anyway
19:50 coderjoe-telnet but enough of that
20:21 ElectricguyLab stream time again! :d this time im gonna attempt to modify a Behringer Shark DSP110 to run on single 5V! :)
20:21 ElectricguyLab www.ustream.tv/channel/electricguy
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20:22 Experimentonomen hm
20:24 * Experimentonomen looks up the behringer dsp to see if it runs from the mains through a internal psu or if it has a walwort style psu that supplies either split supply or a 5 and 12V arrangement
20:25 * tonsofpcs needs to find a lawyer who will curse out his webhost for him, pro bono
20:26 tonsofpcs DSP110? *googles model*
20:26 tonsofpcs doesn't it run on 12V?
20:27 ElectricguyLab nope
20:27 ElectricguyLab +/-15-ish
20:28 Experimentonomen the opamps for the analog part inside needs atleast 5v per rail to work, that is atleast 10V to run single supply
20:28 Coderjoe replacement UL ps: http://www.behringer.com/de/Products/PSU10-UL.aspx
20:28 BotSteve Title: Behringer: POWER SUPPLY PSU10-UL
20:28 tonsofpcs 15.5V and 10V, it seems
20:30 Chipguy definetly split supply
20:30 Chipguy i read 10V AC and 2x15V AC
20:30 Chipguy good luck :P
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20:31 ElectricguyLab :P
20:32 Experimentonomen the 2x15vac would be the analog section and the 10vac would be for the digital section, internally regulated to 2x12-15VDC and 5VDC
20:32 ElectricguyLab i got a small DC/DC converter for the split part.. :)
20:32 lwq1996 wait? so we officially moved?
20:33 wannabe1987 yes
20:35 Experimentonomen ElectricguyLab, a dc/dc converter that gives 2x15VDC as well as 5VDC would have been neat, i have one or two bet they want in the order of like 38-72V in or atleast 19-35V in
20:36 tonsofpcs well, could you simpy provide 12V, bypass the internal 12V regulator (replace with simple zener regulation?) and feed the 5V regulator with 12V as well?
20:36 Chipguy ElectricguyLab: do you remember the black DC DC converter i sent you ?
20:36 Experimentonomen not that simple
20:37 Chipguy dunno if that had 15v or so
20:37 tonsofpcs why not?
20:37 tonsofpcs it's not like behringer's power flow design is much more complex, is it?
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20:38 Experimentonomen well why load the positive 12v rail twice as much as the negative 12v rail ?
20:38 lwq1996 i still need to go fishing today. got to atleast try out my new pole
20:38 Experimentonomen besides if digital and analog are hooked together through the psu, it can cause interference
20:39 Experimentonomen ideally analog and digital ground should be electrically isolated from each other as well
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20:41 lwq1996 well, going to try and go fishing. i need to dig for some worms or use a lure though
20:41 tonsofpcs they have signal ground tied to the electrical 'ground' for analog?
20:43 ElectricguyLab Chipguy, thats the one i'm using :P
20:43 Chipguy hahaha
20:43 Chipguy coool
20:43 Experimentonomen i hope the parts Chipguy and i talked about during the basement clearout got a good home
20:45 ElectricguyLab crap! i killed the converter!
20:45 ElectricguyLab stupid me hooked the pins on the regulator in the wrong way..
20:45 Coderjoe magic smoke released?
20:45 Chipguy awwww
20:45 Experimentonomen dont let the smoke out! its difficult to put it back in rthere :P
20:46 ElectricguyLab no smoke
20:46 ElectricguyLab but a sudden increase in current
20:46 ElectricguyLab it's not supposed to pull 2.4A... :P
20:47 tonsofpcs why not?
20:47 ElectricguyLab becuase it's a DIP style package DC/DC converter... :P
20:47 Coderjoe what about INF amps?
20:47 tonsofpcs eww
20:50 Chipguy if you are luck you just hit a diode that protects it
20:51 ElectricguyLab nah..
20:51 ElectricguyLab or, well.. if it is.. how the hell do i fix that as it's potted in resin? XD
20:53 Monkeh With tools you do not have. ;)
20:54 Chipguy no i meant that the diode was pulling this 2.4 amps without blowing up
20:54 wannabe1987 if i don't have jumbo shells for stuffed shells, can i use medium shells and not have them be stuffed?
20:55 Chipguy because it is a protection diode
20:55 ElectricguyLab yeah but it's still dead.. :P
20:55 ElectricguyLab and nothing i can fix
20:55 Chipguy awwwwww
20:57 ElectricguyLab DSP is still ok though..
20:57 ElectricguyLab so i just have to find another converter.. :P
21:01 * Experimentonomen looks at a tube of µPC1230H2(2) amp ic's
21:04 tonsofpcs wannabe1987: why wouldn't you stuff them? I'm confused... CHEESE :D
21:04 Experimentonomen Chipguy may like these as they are single supply BTL type amp ic's
21:04 wannabe1987 well, i also don't have cheese unless you count velveeta :/
21:04 tonsofpcs oh
21:04 Experimentonomen and a lovely 10% THD at 20 watts output into 4 ohms
21:04 tonsofpcs ya, I guess you could.
21:05 tonsofpcs I mean, I'd just cook them stovetop and then toss them in pesto at that point, but I'm not really good at the whole baking thhing
21:05 wannabe1987 i don't have an oven or pesto, i like my crock pot and have a menu i need to find a few recipes for....
21:06 Electricguy hmmm.. perhaps i can hook in before the OP amps in the DSP.. then i can skip the split rail supply
21:06 tonsofpcs ooo, crock pot
21:06 * tonsofpcs doesn't have a crock pot
21:06 Chipguy yeah looks not too bad
21:06 wannabe1987 yes
21:06 Experimentonomen i can almost see Electricguy puking all over his heyboard at the sight of these amp ic's :P
21:07 tonsofpcs is this for the cafe or for hungry wannabe/zozo/whoeverelse
21:07 wannabe1987 house
21:07 Electricguy Experimentonomen, yepp :P
21:07 wannabe1987 i did bbq chicken yesterday, left for work before i could get any, and its gone
21:07 tonsofpcs http://southernfood.about.com/od/crockpotgroundbeef/r/bl46c1.htm looks interesting and could probably do just fine without cheese.  Just shells and sauce, I'd bet you could do in only the crock pot but I've never tried
21:07 Experimentonomen i have like 2 tubes of these that i bought on ebay like 10-12 years ago
21:07 BotSteve Title: Stuffed Shells Recipe with Ground Beef and Spaghetti Sauce - Crockpot Stuffed Shells Recipes
21:12 Experimentonomen im half tempted to wire up one of these ups1230 ic's just to see if they really sound as bad we think, i remember playing with them in the past but never really hooked up proper speakers to them
21:15 tonsofpcs hmm.. there's an italy festival this weekend...
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21:21 Experimentonomen *yawn* im gonna goto bed
21:21 Experimentonomen nite peepz
21:21 Chipguy nite
21:52 Electricguy *tumbleweed*
21:56 KawaiiJess *crickets chirping*
21:56 tonsofpcs yawn
21:57 KawaiiJess *reeds whistling in the wind*
22:06 tonsofpcs *discusses food things in ##electronics *
22:13 Electricguy bedtime! night all :P
22:18 tonsofpcs g'ntie
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22:28 joe1212 does any one know anything about flybacks i need to how to find the pins out
22:29 tonsofpcs pinouts?
22:29 tonsofpcs I think solid_liq has gone and purcahsed and is already usign his rice cooker by now
22:29 tonsofpcs whoops, silly up arrow
22:29 joe1212 yea how do i find the prim coil of a flyback
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22:52 tonsofpcs do you know how a flyback is wired and what it does?
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23:01 Seroster SparkyProjects, got a drychem extinguisher. What are their general working pressure?
23:01 Seroster s*
23:04 eadthem well there powerd by a co2 cartriage
23:04 Seroster Nope
23:04 Seroster Don't think so
23:04 eadthem alot like whats in a airsoft
23:04 Seroster This one is not.
23:04 eadthem rest of it is all the powder
23:04 Seroster This is a pipe going into powder inside a pressurised chamber.
23:05 Seroster There is no co2 cartridge
23:05 Seroster There is no co2 releasing mechanism
23:05 eadthem thats not a common design then
23:05 Seroster Only design I've ever seen
23:07 Seroster There are, AFAIK, two different designs.
23:07 Seroster http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/eefs/osha/www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/evacuation/images/components.jpg
23:08 Carvagon from what i can tell its 150 to 200 psi for 17-30 seconds 15-20 feet range
23:09 Seroster http://www.firesafetysupply.net/images/SentryDryChemicalFireExtinguisherPartsA02,A02VB,CO2VB.png
23:09 Seroster .c 150PSI to metric
23:09 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
23:09 Seroster .c 150PSI to sane
23:09 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
23:09 Seroster .c 150PSI to non-idiotic-imperialist-humbug
23:09 BotSteve Sorry, no result.
23:09 eadthem http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/evacuation/images/cutaway.jpg
23:09 Seroster ....
23:09 Seroster eadthem, That  =! what I got.
23:09 eadthem http://www.firesafe.org.uk/history-of-fire-extinguishers/
23:09 BotSteve Title: History of Fire Extinguishers
23:10 SparkyProjects 150psi sounds about right, but it should have the working and safe pressure stamped on it
23:10 tonsofpcs eadthem: that looks like a fire extinguisher to me.
23:10 tonsofpcs we had an old one around the station for a while with no pressure gauge
23:10 tonsofpcs it finally got to the point that they no longer will re-charge/re-certify it
23:11 eadthem ya see i have no clue about those  the standard ABC extingushers i know about use a gas cartrage
23:11 Seroster SparkyProjects, It's TIGHTLY strapped to the largest metal structure in the room, and I won't unstrap it until I screwed the head back on =P
23:12 Seroster tonsofpcs, The one that currently serves as my airtank is a co2 extinguisher that wasnt allowed to be recertified
23:12 eadthem thats why if you crack one off for a moment   its wasted unless used all at once at that event
23:12 tonsofpcs your air tank?
23:12 Seroster tonsofpcs, My compressor is high pressure low volume
23:12 tonsofpcs oh, for a compressed air assembly, ok
23:13 Seroster Really silent too, rotary thing. Love it.   Problem is unless I have a lot of tank space I got little or no worktime
23:13 Seroster eadthem, Here we use the entirely pressurised system, because then you can shoot a bit on one fire, then move on, get some on another small fire..
23:14 Seroster Or fire in bursts
23:14 eadthem well when i say per event i mean its good for a while
23:16 SparkyProjects The reason you don't put an exringuisher back once you do a burst is so that you should be able to guarantee a fuullcharge when you need it
23:16 Seroster Stamped with....
23:16 Seroster "Pulver (means powder) + N2"
23:16 * SparkyProjects was a fire appliance driver/operator :P
23:17 Seroster P15 bar  PS 18.5bar    PT 33bar
23:17 Seroster That would be working pressure 15
23:17 Seroster Safety valve 18.5
23:17 Seroster Test 33
23:18 SparkyProjects that sounds rifht
23:18 SparkyProjects *right
23:20 Seroster I wonder if that powder is bad for ya.
23:21 tonsofpcs .wa 15 bar to PSI
23:21 BotSteve convert 15 bars to pounds-force per square inch;217.6 psi  (pounds-force per square inch);31328 lbf\/ft^2  (pounds-force per square foot);3481 ozf\/in^2  (ounces-force per square inch);1.5 MPa  (megapascals);1.5&times;10^6 Pa  (pascals);14.8 atm  (atmospheres),  (unit officially deprecated);~~ ( 0.1 ~~ 1\/7 ) &times; nozzle pressure of a pressure washer (~~ 10 MPa );~~ ( 0.2 ~~ 1\/6 ) &times; atmospheric pressure on th
23:23 Seroster .c 15bar to psi
23:23 BotSteve 217.556607 pounds per square inch
23:23 Seroster That is easier
23:23 tonsofpcs I didn't think google did bars and the pascal conversion is soooooo hard :-p (apparently they did)
23:24 eadthem http://www.elidefire.com/products&amp;services.html
23:24 BotSteve Title: home2
23:24 eadthem personaly this is still my favoret extingusher type
23:24 SparkyProjects Seroster, this is what the powder seems to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoammonium_phosphate
23:24 SparkyProjects got that from this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher
23:24 BotSteve Title: Ammonium dihydrogen phosphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:24 BotSteve Title: Fire extinguisher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:25 Seroster "It supplies soil with the elements nitrogen and phosphorus in a form which is usable by plants"
23:25 SparkyProjects Sorry, looks like it might be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate
23:25 BotSteve Title: Sodium bicarbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:26 Seroster While living with my parents a couple of plumbers accidently set off their extinguisher in their car and dumped it on the (city owned) lawn outside our garden. The grass in that spot took five years to regrow, and it still looks odd.
23:27 SparkyProjects In any case, not recommended breathing it in
23:27 Seroster Hm
23:27 Seroster How do I know which it is?
23:28 tonsofpcs so how does it break open, eadthem?
23:29 eadthem fireworks
23:29 eadthem fire melts the wax off and lights the fuse
23:29 SparkyProjects If there is a white or blue patch, then it's the sodium bicarb  (baking soda)
23:31 Seroster Hmm
23:31 Seroster Glutex...
23:31 Seroster .w glutex
23:31 BotSteve "Solute carrier family 2, facilitated glucose transporter member 9 is a protein that in humans is encoded by the SLC2A9 gene." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC2A9
23:31 tonsofpcs Seroster: try making cookies with it.  If they're nice and fluffy, it's sodium bicarbonate ;)
23:31 Seroster That is what it says
23:31 tonsofpcs *ducks*
23:31 Seroster LOL! =D
23:32 tonsofpcs :D
23:32 Seroster Good boy. Made me lulz.
23:32 tonsofpcs now to figure out why I just heard what sounded like a PC's bios beep on reboot...
23:33 tonsofpcs great, it was my router...
23:33 eadthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHc00Ty8cn4&amp;feature=related
23:33 BotSteve Title: Rolling ELITE FIRE SECURE BALLL into a fire - www.levira.lv - YouTube
23:33 tonsofpcs by watchdog timer...
23:33 eadthem there that explains it well
23:34 Seroster From what I can tell this is filled with glutex, which is based on Ammonium dihydrogen phosphate... Now how do I test that? xD
23:34 tonsofpcs chemicals...
23:35 Seroster I hate the "strange white powder and strange transparent liquid" part of chemistry
23:35 Seroster It could be sugar and water, it could be cocaine and ethanol, or it could be pain and liquid death.
23:38 injektion UPS is charged and it's starting to rain
23:39 tonsofpcs injektion: is the server running on it yet?
23:39 injektion yES
23:39 injektion Yes*
23:39 tonsofpcs does the server have two PSUs?
23:39 tonsofpcs (redundant)
23:40 injektion No
23:40 tonsofpcs :(
23:41 injektion It has the option for redudnant PSUs
23:42 dr_jkl so guys. why not move over to the new server?
23:45 Seroster Because it doesn't fucking work?
23:45 Seroster How's that for a reason?
23:45 CaptainNiobe pretty crappy, sero, since it does work... i'm there :P
23:46 dr_jkl How does it not work?
23:46 Seroster I can screendump it for you
23:46 Seroster dr_jkl, lots of white
23:46 dr_jkl 'lots of white' where?
23:46 Seroster Evryfuckingwhere.
23:46 Seroster Try loading a page that doesn't exist. That kind of white.
23:47 dr_jkl .... What the fuck are you talking aobut?
23:47 dr_jkl I'm talking about the new IRC server.
23:47 dr_jkl I can connect to it just fine.
23:47 Seroster The secondary reason is that in social engineering you need to account for the inertia of lazyness.
23:47 Seroster Having that said, goodnight.
23:48 dr_jkl wow.
23:48 dr_jkl what a tool.
23:49 tonsofpcs dr_jkl: I'm not there because I see no reason to be there.
23:50 dr_jkl oh?
23:51 dr_jkl this channel is going to be shut down probably within a couple of days, i imagine
23:51 CaptainNiobe by who?
23:52 dr_jkl the channel founders
23:52 dr_jkl thermo and/or batsteve
23:52 astro73|roam should we throw it a going-away party?
23:52 BotSteve astronouth7303: I have the following messages for you:
23:52 BotSteve At 06:51Z, BatSteve asked me to tell astronouth7303 that I have the coolest thing to tell him (it's about nicktracker)
23:53 CaptainNiobe let's do nothing until we know for sure what they want to do :)
23:53 dr_jkl oh. heh
23:53 dr_jkl oh, i don't plan to yet.
23:53 astro73|roam .... i'm actually really intrigued
23:53 dr_jkl but i already know what's going to happen
23:53 dr_jkl astro73|roam: nicktracker is cross-network
23:53 astro73|roam since i thought i did pretty good research on nickserv when i wrote it
23:53 astro73|roam dr_jkl: yes, if you use the same service API
23:54 dr_jkl we were setting up botsteve on the new IRC server, and it was delivering messages for people on the new server that people were leaving here. :D it was pretty cool
23:54 dr_jkl yes, i do use the same service api as freenode. i've tried very hard to make the switch as painless as possible for people
23:54 astro73|roam oh nice
23:54 astro73|roam the database isn't atomic, though, and may get weird if you have two bots running on it
23:55 dr_jkl i worked very hard to make sure that things were as easy to transition as possible
23:55 injektion What new sercer?
23:55 injektion server*
23:55 dr_jkl injektion: /topic
23:55 injektion charybdis-3.3.0
23:56 injektion You won't see me there
23:56 dr_jkl See ya, then.
23:56 injektion nenolod is a tool
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23:56 HighMan Hello all
23:57 dr_jkl injektion: you can choose to not participate in the IRC if you wish. Nobody's going to lose any sleep over it.

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