Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-06-13

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00:00 wannabe1987 you can ride the orbitron :)
00:00 editor1979 Here's where I can use some help. I need to figure out how to take the bumper cover off the back of my car to install a plate camera but I can't find a repair manual anywhere.
00:00 wannabe1987 what car?
00:00 editor1979 2010 Toyota Yaris Hatchback
00:01 editor1979 Everywhere I look to buy a manual, I can't find. They keep telling me the car is too new. I have always used the Hayes manuals for all my cars.
00:03 tehdark45 http://i54.tinypic.com/2aeyv77.jpg
00:03 wannabe1987 too new?
00:04 editor1979 Damn! You're good!
00:06 SleepyGuy ?
00:06 editor1979 I guess, tomorrow, I'm gonna be taking the rear bumper cover off my car! Thank you! Again!
00:07 tehdark45 editor1979, it wasnt har http://lmgtfy.com/?q=yaris+remove+rear+bumper
00:07 BotSteve Title: Let me google that for you
00:07 tehdark45 hard*
00:13 editor1979 http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-win-photos-humble-request-win1.jpg
00:16 editor1979 New use for a water faucet: http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-win-photos-night-light-win1.jpg
00:17 * killakee fiksing 4 lapp tops for people.. 4 laptops / first pc 193 fishing software installed...
00:17 wannabe1987 hi killakee
00:17 killakee i love my job
00:17 killakee hi wanna
00:17 killakee :)
00:18 killakee "job"
00:18 killakee hehe
00:19 killakee oh now the por thing will not post windows after removing all the viruses...
00:19 killakee oh joy
00:21 Sleepyguy joined #thegeekgroup
00:22 * killakee needs to lay down the law when it comes to computers ..
00:22 killakee http://soundcloud.com/djsolanum/fucked-up-music
00:22 BotSteve Title: fucked up music by DjSoLaNuM on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
00:23 killakee there something for the wub wub fans ;)
00:24 DjSoLaNuM :)
00:24 wannabe1987 ...lol....
00:24 DjSoLaNuM actualy i am djsolanum ;)
00:24 DjSoLaNuM its my radio dj name
00:24 wannabe1987 ah
00:26 DjSoLaNuM i actualy had a internet radio station ... years ago
00:26 DjSoLaNuM ghibli radio XD
00:26 DjSoLaNuM LO
00:26 DjSoLaNuM l
00:27 DjSoLaNuM back in the isdn times
00:27 editor1979 Sounds like my stereo is having a seizure. I like it.
00:27 DjSoLaNuM hehe
00:27 DjSoLaNuM thanx
00:27 DjSoLaNuM thats the point ;)
00:28 editor1979 Shit! The neighbor below me just pounded on the ceiling! HA!
00:28 DjSoLaNuM now that said .. i dont miss the isdn times
00:28 DjSoLaNuM haha
00:28 DjSoLaNuM good one
00:28 DjSoLaNuM cant take the bass XD
00:29 editor1979 I'm only running 2x 400W 12" subs.
00:30 DjSoLaNuM im runnin 8x"8" and tweeters abuote 600
00:30 DjSoLaNuM pa speakers
00:30 DjSoLaNuM proson somthing or other amp
00:30 editor1979 Keep in mind, this setup is in my bedroom. I am a DJ and I have much bigger stuff.
00:31 DjSoLaNuM hehe... i got a servinwega 1515 setup also now
00:31 DjSoLaNuM and nad mono blocks
00:31 wannabe1987 http://origin.wzzm13.com/news/article/214919/14/Burger-King-summer-menu-has-bacon-sundae
00:31 BotSteve Title: Burger King summer menu has bacon sundae | wzzm13.com
00:33 DjSoLaNuM but
00:33 editor1979 8x 15" w tri-horns, 8x dual 15" w 10x24 horn, 4x quad horn tweet, 4x 18" folded horn 2K subs, and 4 12" stage monitors.
00:33 DjSoLaNuM i havent borowd them yet
00:33 DjSoLaNuM hehe
00:33 DjSoLaNuM eh
00:34 DjSoLaNuM 8x dual 15 ?
00:34 editor1979 yep. 8 cabinets with 2 15" each.
00:34 DjSoLaNuM what unholy heck have you erned cash from ?
00:35 DjSoLaNuM ?
00:35 editor1979 I have acquired them over the last few years pretty cheap.
00:35 DjSoLaNuM eh
00:35 DH8DL well i'm watching too
00:35 DH8DL so the counter is wrong
00:35 DjSoLaNuM what kind of speackers ?
00:35 DjSoLaNuM eh
00:35 DjSoLaNuM im norwegian
00:36 DjSoLaNuM what type .. manifacturere?
00:36 DjSoLaNuM damn spelling
00:36 editor1979 I have a supplier that has them for $159 each.
00:37 DjSoLaNuM cool but what kind ?
00:37 DjSoLaNuM type ?
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00:38 editor1979 http://www.SpeakerMax.com/pages/stage215.html
00:38 BotSteve Title: SpeakerMax Audio Products
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00:38 BigTank Hello TGG Radio!
00:38 wannabe1987 hi!
00:39 BigTank who am i seeing on scree?
00:39 BigTank screen
00:39 editor1979 I order them from http://www.cheaplights.com/cart/page75.html
00:39 BotSteve Title: 405: Full Range Cabinets With Dual 15"
00:39 DjSoLaNuM speaker max ?
00:39 DjSoLaNuM nah
00:40 editor1979 They may not be as high quality as you may be used to, but I hook them up in 4 cabinet arrays for a party and they sound pretty good.
00:41 DjSoLaNuM :)
00:41 DjSoLaNuM right now im re building my studio
00:42 BigTank who is watching the IRC at the radio?
00:42 DjSoLaNuM so i have to have some good once now
00:43 DjSoLaNuM im going to use brat lodes and hate me the day after XD
00:43 editor1979 Onmi is watching the IRC
00:43 editor1979 and I am dyslexic.
00:43 DjSoLaNuM me to
00:43 DjSoLaNuM and norwegian XD
00:44 DjSoLaNuM dossent help XD
00:44 editor1979 Sounds like a joke really.
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00:44 tonsofpcs hi
00:44 editor1979 A dyslexic Norwegian walks into a bar and hurt his head.
00:45 tonsofpcs where's dBsw?
00:46 DjSoLaNuM sorry but i dont walk in to bars ;)
00:46 DjSoLaNuM i stumble
00:48 DjSoLaNuM norwegians never goes to bars
00:48 DjSoLaNuM they are lucky if they come inn XD
00:49 BigTank lol i meant the four at the station
00:50 editor1979 I posted a cool video for Moose on The Geek Group Facebook Page. I't of a guy turning one of those giant Jaw-Breakers in a lathe.
00:52 DjSoLaNuM now thats a new one XD
00:52 DjSoLaNuM hehehe
00:54 BigTank yes, i can hear you
00:54 BigTank on Jtv and radio
00:55 * DjSoLaNuM are in the mix 4 now
00:55 editor1979 Here's a picture of a Cat-Scan if it helps http://i.imgur.com/6stz5.jpg
00:55 DjSoLaNuM brb
00:57 BigTank lol
00:57 BigTank can any of you at the station see the irc?
00:58 editor1979 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UoxJubwVYI
00:58 BotSteve Title: new jawbreaker video - YouTube
00:58 BigTank your still on video
01:03 DjSoLaNuM yeah.. lets install frost wire.. good idea
01:04 DjSoLaNuM dumb føkks
01:05 BigTank frostwire = quickest route to hurt computer
01:05 lwq1996 BigTank: go to the new irc at irc.thegeekgroup.org
01:06 editor1979 Hey! I can see you on the video feed, hear you on the audio feed, and can talk to you on the IRC feed!
01:08 wannabe1987 lol yes
01:08 wannabe1987 i'm the blonde female.....
01:08 wannabe1987 .seen yrouel
01:08 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Yrouel 49.87 hours ago at 2012-06-10 23:16:44 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 01:08:43 UTC
01:09 editor1979 That's you?
01:09 editor1979 COOL!
01:09 wannabe1987 lol
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01:09 editor1979 FREEBIRD!
01:09 wannabe1987 yes.  next to the guy with a pony tail, thats zozo
01:10 editor1979 Is Zero smoking? Hobefully it's an E-Cig
01:10 wannabe1987 he's vaping
01:10 wannabe1987 its not called smoking if its an e-cig :)
01:10 editor1979 That's such a cute little PC
01:10 wannabe1987 thanks :D
01:10 wannabe1987 its was my christmas present :D
01:11 editor1979 Didn't she not want to be in the camera frame?
01:11 wannabe1987 she doesn't want to be permanently on camera
01:12 editor1979 lol
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01:13 wannabe1987 BotSteve: tell yrouel to PM me re: server moving
01:13 BotSteve wannabe1987: I'll pass that on when Yrouel is around.
01:14 editor1979 Did you see the picture of the cat scan I put up at 20:55?
01:15 wannabe1987 yes
01:15 wannabe1987 lol
01:16 wannabe1987 exor674: stabby stabby
01:16 hi joined #thegeekgroup
01:16 editor1979 This is the 1st time I've listened to the live feed. What all do you guys do in the radio station? Just shoot the shit?
01:17 wannabe1987 yes
01:17 editor1979 cool'
01:18 editor1979 Do you ever play music?
01:18 DjSoLaNuM is it me or is this music / video geineus? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXFJOXvL_A
01:18 BotSteve Title: Gotye 'Hearts a Mess' By Gotye - YouTube
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01:20 editor1979 The beat to that sounds a lot like Harry Belafonte's The Banana Boat Song
01:20 maglin hurrrrr.  lol.  whad up duders.
01:20 wannabe1987 hi maglin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:21 wannabe1987 we're on radio
01:21 maglin ...  i can't hear audio on the video...
01:21 maglin is the audio elsewhere now
01:21 wannabe1987 no?
01:21 maglin hmm.
01:21 wannabe1987 thegeekgroup.org/radio
01:23 editor1979 http://thegeekgroup.org/live/radio/
01:23 BotSteve Title: The Geek Group » Radio
01:23 wannabe1987 yes taht
01:23 maglin i can't get it to play from there either.
01:23 maglin odd
01:24 editor1979 I can hear it. I'm running it through QuickTime
01:24 maglin ugh.  quick time
01:25 maglin there.  i kicked it in the face till it worked.
01:25 editor1979 Nice hat
01:25 editor1979 Did he just step off the Black Pearl?
01:26 wannabe1987 yes
01:26 wannabe1987 maglin, just use a big hammer
01:26 wannabe1987 derp
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01:27 editor1979 now this is an aquarium! http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-win-photos-view-of-the-fish-win.jpg
01:27 wannabe1987 yep
01:28 wannabe1987 except there was one at sea world and it *totally* messed wiht my head, couldn't see straight and gave me a headach :P
01:28 wannabe1987 noes!  its a gjposner!
01:28 gjposner oh nooooo!
01:29 editor1979 This is one little girl you don't want to cross http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-win-photos-takedown-win1.gif
01:29 wannabe1987 o.o
01:30 gjposner I had a professor in college that picked on me.. I decided to post his address, full name, and wife's name (which he would not tell anyone) on the board.  yea, I won that
01:31 gjposner that was the same class some bitch gave me hell and i told her exactly how myself and everyone in the class thought of her.. I am a bit of a dick when crossed.. but never disobeyed my father.  Some of the best advice he ever gave me:  If you are going to be a dick, be a big one
01:31 DjSoLaNuM how the heck
01:31 DjSoLaNuM now thats a fast girl XD
01:31 gjposner lol
01:31 wannabe1987 lol
01:32 gjposner ive seen faster, but not in that 'art form' LOL
01:32 DjSoLaNuM trying to get with her is like ... hi... oh ... im laying down.. never mind XD
01:32 gjposner lol
01:33 DjSoLaNuM ill bet one thing
01:33 DjSoLaNuM she wouldnt kick you whan your down XD
01:34 gjposner lol
01:35 editor1979 http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-win-photos-deadly-predator-win.jpg
01:35 DjSoLaNuM i wounder ... can she get down with it XD?
01:36 DjSoLaNuM i realy want a raven... weird craving
01:37 DjSoLaNuM that or a rotwailer :)=
01:38 DjSoLaNuM my friends girl friend just bought him a rotwailer
01:38 DjSoLaNuM 10 000 norwegian kroners
01:38 DjSoLaNuM damn
01:39 DjSoLaNuM lucky ***
01:39 tehdark45 I did QBasic in 2010 ._.
01:39 DjSoLaNuM i rather have a rotty
01:39 DjSoLaNuM ;)
01:42 editor1979 http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-fail-photos-school-of-fail-lesson-learned.png
01:43 gjposner seems legit
01:43 DjSoLaNuM but i aint got 1324.50 to burn XD
01:43 DjSoLaNuM and i aint got a girlfriend bying one XD
01:44 DjSoLaNuM 1400 frikkin euro
01:44 gjposner for?
01:44 DjSoLaNuM my friends girl friend just bought him a rotwailer
01:44 gjposner those things are that pricey?
01:45 editor1979 Found Pet, Please claim: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/job-fails-monday-thru-friday-also-seems-to-have-learned-how-to-open-doors.jpg
01:45 DjSoLaNuM hell ja
01:45 DjSoLaNuM yeah
01:45 gjposner shit, I bet on craigslist I can find a few for free..
01:45 DjSoLaNuM the most loyal dog i have ever ever seen..
01:46 DjSoLaNuM he left the dog here for 4 hours ...
01:46 DjSoLaNuM he listned to every word i sayd
01:46 egrsteve ello
01:46 wannabe1987 hi steve!
01:46 editor1979 Hi steve
01:46 egrsteve ok, no messages here
01:47 editor1979 I'm Steve too!
01:47 * egrsteve lurks
01:47 DjSoLaNuM erg
01:47 DjSoLaNuM hi
01:48 egrsteve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjF1bG5LUcs
01:48 BotSteve Title: The BEATLES "Birthday" song - YouTube
01:48 * DjSoLaNuM wounders why the hell he cant sleep ?
01:48 gjposner too much porn
01:49 DjSoLaNuM no .. no thats not it
01:49 gjposner lol
01:49 DjSoLaNuM ah
01:49 DjSoLaNuM i know
01:50 editor1979 I used to be a Store Manager, for RadioShack.
01:50 wannabe1987 too much cofffee?
01:50 wannabe1987 i'm sorreeeeee
01:50 editor1979 I got fired over $20 by a new asshole District Manager.
01:51 DjSoLaNuM i got the gravity/anger off 10 000 dying suns becouse im fixing stypidity pc dumb "#"¤"#!!
01:52 wannabe1987 lol
01:52 editor1979 Maybe I'll learn to fly http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-classiclearn-to-fly-fail.jpg
01:52 DjSoLaNuM people are realy stupid when it comes to NOT installing frikkin things on their pc
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01:52 * DjSoLaNuM installes windows 7
01:53 * DjSoLaNuM hates him self XD
01:53 editor1979 I have a really HP TX2-1020US Tablet PC with a dead VGA chip.
01:54 DjSoLaNuM cam someone make a software that blocks installing ennything ?
01:54 DjSoLaNuM XD
01:54 DjSoLaNuM here .. your pc works .. stop bothering me XD
01:55 * DjSoLaNuM needs the shirt : NO I WILL NOT FIX YOUR PC
01:55 editor1979 Astronomy is the scientific study of the cosmos, Astrology is the study of some bullshit someone made up.
01:56 editor1979 Blame Canada!
01:57 DjSoLaNuM this should be fun : http://ljudia.no/musikkinstrumenter-s92718/daw-controller-c680935/korg-nanopad-2-black-p643127/
01:57 BotSteve Title: Korg Nanopad 2 Black - Ljudia - Multimedia Hemelektronik Karaoke PA anläggning DJ utrustning Ljus utrustning
01:57 DjSoLaNuM when i get it :)
01:58 wannabe1987 egrsteve: it is your birthday today?
01:58 editor1979 Was Saddam Hussen Canadian? His head flapped in South Park.
01:59 DjSoLaNuM editor1979: born in 79 i guess XD
01:59 DjSoLaNuM finaly
01:59 DjSoLaNuM someone older that me inn here
01:59 editor1979 Little Girl plays with Dead Animal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nn0UkdDArM
01:59 BotSteve Title: Original Dead Squirrel, Girl, Greyhound...Unnexpected - YouTube
02:00 editor1979 Yep. I was born in 1979
02:00 editor1979 How'd ya guess?
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02:01 editor1979 welcome Back Dj WubWub
02:01 DjSoLaNuM you from ?
02:02 DjSoLaNuM tnx
02:02 DjSoLaNuM XD
02:02 editor1979 Winter PArk, Fl.
02:02 DjSoLaNuM u s of frikkin a ?
02:02 DjSoLaNuM :)
02:02 wannabe1987 lol duh
02:03 DjSoLaNuM dry humor XD
02:03 editor1979 I found a bat signal on Google Maps
02:03 DjSoLaNuM show me :D
02:03 editor1979 brb
02:04 DjSoLaNuM hehe
02:05 DjSoLaNuM why the heck are the captains blog like no new onse ?
02:05 DjSoLaNuM once
02:05 DjSoLaNuM or what ever
02:06 DjSoLaNuM in a looong time
02:06 DjSoLaNuM i need my fix XD
02:07 editor1979 Google Maps Coordinates 26.357966,127.783828
02:09 DjSoLaNuM im there
02:09 DjSoLaNuM XD
02:09 DjSoLaNuM holy bat crap man
02:09 DjSoLaNuM da dun dun dun
02:10 wannabe1987 DjSoLaNuM: because youtube limited him to 15 minutes per vid
02:10 wannabe1987 nd idk if anythings been recorded the past few days
02:11 editor1979 Youtube limited the Captains Blog?
02:11 DH8DL yes, cause some morons kept flagging his videos
02:11 DjSoLaNuM who the heck watches the cb and then trolls them/him when he/ her are watching every day ?
02:11 wannabe1987 justin yourmomsvag flagged a photo
02:11 DjSoLaNuM just saying
02:12 DjSoLaNuM its kind of like shoting your self in the foot
02:12 DjSoLaNuM XD
02:12 DH8DL rule #1, morons are everywhere you go
02:12 DjSoLaNuM its just stupid
02:12 DjSoLaNuM yes
02:12 wannabe1987 yeah.  and youtube won't listen
02:13 editor1979 Has Chris started the Sex ED series like he said he wanted to?
02:13 wannabe1987 idk
02:13 DjSoLaNuM someone seriously has to
02:13 DH8DL he'll need some test subjects..you want to volunteer?
02:13 * DH8DL runs
02:13 * DjSoLaNuM too
02:13 editor1979 Sure.
02:14 DjSoLaNuM i got two kids thats enought
02:14 DjSoLaNuM for real
02:14 DjSoLaNuM XD
02:14 editor1979 CHEESE!
02:14 DjSoLaNuM hehe
02:14 DjSoLaNuM smil XD
02:16 DjSoLaNuM in norway we dont have sex eds ennymore
02:16 DjSoLaNuM thats smart XD
02:16 DH8DL "and here we see test subject A who just sticked his *beep* into test subject B's *beep*
02:16 DjSoLaNuM lol
02:16 DjSoLaNuM lolo
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02:17 DH8DL and afterwards you can see little kiddies running to their moms asking them what a beep is
02:17 DjSoLaNuM and here we see a 30 year old man thats totaly f*** him self and gone and got two girls with some one thats got ALL his cash XD
02:18 DjSoLaNuM beware
02:19 editor1979 I have a question, I have a network blade system installed in the office and I have a question:
02:19 DH8DL i don't think chris could place some sex ed videos on youtube without getting in a lot of trouble
02:20 wannabe1987 lol yes
02:20 editor1979 How much of my life did I waste working in an office trying to make an honest living mile my wife slept with every man on the block?
02:20 wannabe1987 editor1979: ask it.  GGR-Zozo might know how to answer it
02:20 DH8DL :<
02:20 DjSoLaNuM but then again i have lurned my kids to use a screw driver ... the funiest thing they know is taking things a part ...
02:21 * DjSoLaNuM thinking kids labour XD
02:21 GGR-Zozo way too much time
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02:22 Andyroo Woot! Good morning Michigan
02:22 wannabe1987 andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:23 DjSoLaNuM as they said inn here ... you got two geeks/dismantelers on your hands
02:23 wannabe1987 gotta move over to irc.thegeekgroup.org for irc now :)
02:23 * Andyroo wanders awkwardly over
02:23 DH8DL new irc server?
02:23 DjSoLaNuM and then they whent to their mother XD
02:23 wannabe1987 yes
02:23 * DH8DL adds it
02:23 lwq1996 does no one read the topic?
02:23 wannabe1987 we have a topic?
02:23 wannabe1987 :P
02:23 lwq1996 lol
02:23 editor1979 I have an HP TX2-1020US Tablet PC with, what I think is, a burned out VGA chip. Does anyone know how to fix it? I think it's the VGA chip because it will operate for about 60 seconds in Windows, then get horrible random horizontal line flicker like a bad surveillance camera feed, then eventually go black, yet windows keeps running. It still responds to shortcut commands like volume/mute, sleep, and shut down. If I hook up an
02:24 editor1979 exactly line for line.
02:25 DjSoLaNuM so
02:25 DjSoLaNuM new server ?
02:25 DjSoLaNuM and that is ?
02:25 wannabe1987 gotta move over to irc.thegeekgroup.org for irc now :)
02:26 Carvagon lol
02:27 wannabe1987 server: irc.thegeekgroup.org
02:27 wannabe1987 #thegeekgroup and #tgg:nsfw
02:27 Twiddlekins__ pff.. like i work
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02:27 editor1979 What's weird is the error doesn't exist in Safe Mode.
02:28 Twiddlekins_ safe mode doesnt fire up 3D parts of the chip
02:28 editor1979 I did a factory restore twice with no result so I don't think it's a hardware issue.
02:28 Twiddlekins_ sounds like typical GPU overheat
02:29 editor1979 Is that hard to replace?
02:29 editor1979 I really like this PC
02:30 editor1979 ©
02:30 Twiddlekins_ not usually possible to replace, i mean if you're pretty uber with sma and BGA stuff its maybe possible..
02:30 DjSoLaNuM editor1979 whanna trade ? i got 4 virus ass frapalacking kicking my ass lapptopps XD
02:30 editor1979 Maybe I can just replace the whole damn motherboard.
02:30 Twiddlekins_ thats usually the standard approach yeh
02:31 editor1979 I think I can get an exploded view from HP.com
02:32 DH8DL editor1979: usually the chip doesn' break, but it's solder spots do..unfortunately you need special equipment to fix those
02:33 DH8DL there is a temporay fix by heating the chip up to 200
02:33 editor1979 Either I can fix it with a set of screw drivers and some fresh Arctic Silver, or a hammer.
02:33 DH8DL 200 degrees celsius with a hot air gun
02:33 editor1979 So, I shouldn't put it in the oven?
02:33 DH8DL but it won't last too long..the permanent fix is called "reballing"
02:33 Twiddlekins_ yeh the "all else fails cook it for a bit" procedure can work, but yeh.. some obvious risks :P
02:34 Twiddlekins_ although my gen one PS3 got baked in the oven for a bit to reflow, still going strong
02:34 editor1979 I'll have to see how much a mother board is.
02:34 DH8DL if you're lucky it last for a long time..but the better way is to reball it (to replace all the little solder balls under the chip) and then to reflow it
02:35 DH8DL but only stores specialised for that can do it
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02:35 DH8DL look for reballing / reflow on youtube
02:36 DH8DL motherboard for a laptop? forget it..better buy a new laptop
02:36 editor1979 I found the motherboard for $119
02:36 DH8DL mkay
02:37 editor1979 Or a new one for $650
02:37 DH8DL well you're paying for the onboard graphiccars too there..only on really expensive laptops it's a seperate part that can be replaced
02:37 DH8DL *graphicscard
02:37 Twiddlekins_ even then it can be hard to find a seller for them
02:38 editor1979 http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXCHANGE-with-MODIFIED-HP-Touch-Smart-tx2-motherboard-504466-001-100-TESTED-/221037321246?pt=Motherboards&amp;hash=item3376d9dc1e
02:38 BotSteve Title: EXCHANGE with MODIFIED HP Touch Smart tx2 motherboard 504466-001 100% TESTED | eBay
02:38 editor1979 I have a titanium spork
02:39 DH8DL those are companies that fix the broken solder spots under the graphics chip and sell them again
02:39 DH8DL thats why they want your old board
02:39 DH8DL with the method i just described
02:40 editor1979 What if I send it to you?
02:40 editor1979 you know, since you know how to do it
02:40 DH8DL lol, i don't have the equipment for it
02:40 DH8DL i only know how it's done
02:41 editor1979 ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST!
02:42 editor1979 http://learnfrommyfail.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/lfmf1.jpg
02:42 DH8DL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhVO7NVpXU this video shows you how it's done
02:42 BotSteve Title: Process of Reballing- Motherboard Laptop Repair - YouTube
02:42 editor1979 Cool, thanks.
02:43 editor1979 http://learnfrommyfail.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/lfmf1.jpg
02:43 editor1979 oops
02:44 editor1979 That shows that you need to be careful when speaking to women in the office.
02:44 Twiddlekins_ cant say i've ever seen a girl in a server farm.. but id still make that joke
02:44 Twiddlekins_ because a nice rack deserves complimenting :P
02:45 SparkyProjects There were 2 women looking after the servers/network at my last place
02:50 DH8DL editor1979: i would only buy one of those refurbished boards if it has 6 months or a year warranty on it
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02:50 DH8DL cause some companies just reflow them (heat them up) and don't replace the solder balls..which probably doesn't last long
02:51 Monkeh Neither does reballing, really.
02:51 DH8DL and the reason for them breaking is that nowadays manufacturer have to use lead free solder for it i think..which aren't as stable
02:52 Monkeh That, plus package issues, poor thermals, and insufficient strength in the board and chassis
02:52 Monkeh Basically, everything's cheap.
02:52 Monkeh Cheap means failures.
02:52 DH8DL yep..and insufficent cooling in the laptops cause it to fail again eventually
02:53 Monkeh It's rather telling that Thinkpads with nVidia GPUs, which used binned chips (Quadros) and are rather more sturdily built than average, essentially do not suffer from these problems.
02:53 DH8DL depending on how much power the gpu has
02:54 DH8DL i've had a friend with a €3600 toshiba laptop with a really powerful graphiccard..the gpu ran at 85c idle
02:54 Twiddlekins_ nvidia had a lot of problems with laptop GPUs for a while there
02:54 Monkeh Twiddlekins_: It wasn't entirely their fault.
02:54 Twiddlekins_ no
02:55 Monkeh It also affected their chipsets, though
02:55 DH8DL went up to 95c when watching videos..the fan profile for it was set up to set up the fan speed to max at 125c
02:55 Monkeh Yikes.
02:55 Monkeh Anything over 70C is unhealthy for extended periods. Anything over 90C is unhealthy in the short term.
02:55 Monkeh Anything over 110C... you're frying it. Quickly.
02:55 DH8DL there was so many customers with problems for that laptop that nvidia released new drivers for it fixing the overheat problem by basically shutting the gpu down when it reaches 100c
02:56 Twiddlekins_ all depends on tdp, some have a pretty impressively high design power
02:56 DH8DL so you got a €3600 laptop that runs 3d stuff at 7fps
02:56 Monkeh Highstreet laptop manufacturers suck, basically.
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02:56 Monkeh For quite some years, Acer produced machines with large vents for the CPU fan.. inventionally covered.
02:57 Monkeh CPU temps drop by 10-15C when you remove the blockage.
02:57 Monkeh As far as I can tell, they did it intentionally to limit the lifetime of the CPU.
02:57 Twiddlekins_ probably marketing told them it made too much noise
02:57 Monkeh No, this causes _more_ noise
02:57 DH8DL of course..so they don't have that many warranty cases
02:57 Monkeh Because it's partially loose and flaps around when the fan ramps up
02:57 DH8DL err, nevermind
02:57 DH8DL misread you
02:58 Twiddlekins_ urg
02:58 Monkeh Horrible.
02:58 Monkeh Meanwhile, my Thinkpad soldiers on.
02:58 Monkeh Suffering none of the common problems seen in other laptops.
02:59 DH8DL well thats why i don't like laptops..i only use them when there is no alternative to use a normal pc
02:59 Monkeh Laptops are fantastically useful.
02:59 Monkeh But I refuse to touch cheap ones.
02:59 DH8DL or expensive ones
02:59 Twiddlekins_ with laptops you still have to pay quite a bit in this world of cheap ones in order to get a machine that doesnt have some horrible issue
03:00 Monkeh I'll probably keep my Thinkpad for a while longer.
03:00 Monkeh When I've got some money to spare it'll get some long overdue upgrades
03:00 Monkeh (More RAM, swap the CPU out)
03:00 Twiddlekins_ i need to replace my ol m1330 dell this year, broke the screen.. and cant be bothered replacing it
03:00 DH8DL yes, but my example showed even in the high end market there are those problems..especially there cause people want power for their money..which can'T be delivered in a laptop as much as in a normal pc
03:01 Monkeh DH8DL: Well, there's a difference between 'high end' fancy laptops and serious, properly built laptops (Thinkpad, Latitude)
03:01 DH8DL probably true, yes
03:01 DH8DL well i meant high end laptop for gamers mostly
03:02 DH8DL cause those are the ones with the faster gpu's
03:02 Monkeh Those are a bad joke.
03:02 DH8DL yes
03:02 Monkeh I saw the first laptop with a desktop i7..
03:02 Monkeh I suppose they have their place, but.. I'd rather not.
03:02 Monkeh I can't think of any time I'd want that much power and not simply use a proper machine remotely
03:03 Monkeh Gaming on the move? Pfff.
03:03 Monkeh I've got a million books to read and a million simple games any netbook can play to occupy me
03:03 Monkeh Speaking of books, I'd best disappear to bed and read one.
03:03 Monkeh 4AM, been playing Sins of a Solar Empire for the last four hours :D
03:03 DH8DL my gaming pc draws up to 550 watts with just 1 graphiccard..
03:04 DH8DL no way you could do that with a laptop
03:04 DH8DL i mean..to get that much cpu and gpu power in a laptop
03:05 wannabe1987 .seen Cprossu
03:05 BotSteve wannabe1987: I last saw Cprossu 12.54 hours ago at 2012-06-12 14:32:54 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 03:05:03 UTC
03:05 wannabe1987 hi LittleCreature
03:05 LittleCreature hi
03:05 wannabe1987 how are you?
03:06 DH8DL fixing blown caps on a motherboard...fun..i did that
03:06 DH8DL with a HUGE soldering iron
03:06 DH8DL cause the damn board have so much metal in them you can't use a normal one
03:06 DH8DL boards
03:06 LittleCreature i am within normal operating variance
03:06 LittleCreature how about yourself?
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03:09 LittleCreature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45BMrBMHFK0&amp;feature=related <- an entire kraftwerk concert :)
03:09 BotSteve Title: Kraftwerk Live - YouTube
03:09 LittleCreature if anyone like kraftwerk
03:10 DH8DL can't watch that video on youtube in germany..stupid GEMA copyright thing...
03:10 DH8DL they're in war with youtube
03:11 DH8DL forcing them to block vids like these
03:12 LittleCreature :(
03:12 DH8DL but luckily there are youtube proxies to go around that problem..yay
03:13 DH8DL only works sometimes, tho
03:13 DH8DL not working today
03:20 LittleCreature :(
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03:27 tonsofpcs LittleCreature: nice
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03:28 LittleCreature tonsofpcs: i need to download the concert so i can listen to it during work
03:29 tonsofpcs i need that link when home
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03:53 DjSoLaNuM enny one got big speakers ?
03:53 DjSoLaNuM big big speakers ?
03:55 DjSoLaNuM never mind
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04:32 wannabe1987 hi lem
04:42 DjSoLaNuM still chills me the frak out :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7K72X4eo_s&amp;ob=av3n
04:42 BotSteve Title: Massive Attack - Teardrop - YouTube
04:47 DjSoLaNuM even more :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7bZdSI8-Fs
04:47 BotSteve Title: Massive Attack - Teardrop - Anna Johnson Band [Cover] - YouTube
04:47 DjSoLaNuM zzzz
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05:07 DjSoLaNuM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnl1R2dUiD0&amp;feature=related
05:07 BotSteve Title: Beardyman: "Unshaved" at The Udderbelly, London (Episode 1) - YouTube
05:07 DjSoLaNuM say that to mash
05:07 DjSoLaNuM XD
05:07 DjSoLaNuM when he comes on ;)
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05:25 Katemonster tonsofpcs and/or cprossu, are either of you around?
05:26 Katemonster :( no one on this late
05:27 DjSoLaNuM i am
05:27 * DjSoLaNuM is killakee
05:28 DjSoLaNuM killakee brings me bad luck ;)
05:28 DjSoLaNuM get it ?
05:28 DjSoLaNuM :)
05:29 wannabe1987 sorry kate
05:29 Katemonster for what?
05:30 wannabe1987 people not being on?
05:30 Katemonster oh
05:30 Katemonster not your fault :P
05:30 wannabe1987 lol
05:30 Katemonster s'okay.  just looking for someone to bother about network security
05:30 DjSoLaNuM im on darn it
05:31 DjSoLaNuM 4 once
05:31 Katemonster hah
05:31 DjSoLaNuM im working late
05:31 DjSoLaNuM fiksing others ppl stupid
05:31 DjSoLaNuM lol
05:32 wannabe1987 good lucke
05:32 DjSoLaNuM por lap (tops)
05:32 DjSoLaNuM yeah
05:33 DjSoLaNuM i didnt know ppl could be that ... what you call it ..
05:33 DjSoLaNuM ignorant
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05:34 DjSoLaNuM yes virus is real XD
05:35 DjSoLaNuM dumb fjopp fjopps
05:36 DjSoLaNuM oh they dont mind .. it dont make theyr day darg ang fjopped up...
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05:36 DjSoLaNuM only mine XD
05:36 * wannabe1987 gives Electricguy some coffee
05:36 Electricguy morning :)
05:36 DjSoLaNuM mornin nigbour
05:36 DjSoLaNuM ;)
05:37 Electricguy lol
05:37 DjSoLaNuM søta bror <3
05:37 DjSoLaNuM lol
05:39 Electricguy eeeww XD
05:39 DjSoLaNuM HaHa
05:39 DjSoLaNuM just beeing polite ;)
05:39 Electricguy lol. and slightly creepy :P
05:40 DjSoLaNuM http://soundcloud.com/djsolanum/fucked-up-music
05:40 BotSteve Title: fucked up music by DjSoLaNuM on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
05:40 DjSoLaNuM now you troll me ;)
05:40 Electricguy this guy is hilarious :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvpK-e7YSw&amp;feature=g-u-u
05:40 DjSoLaNuM i dear you ;)
05:41 BotSteve Title: Thereplygirl Will Smith SLAPS reporter - YouTube
05:42 Electricguy sounds like... a dubstep version of DJ Rankin's work... XD
05:42 DjSoLaNuM hir hir frikin hir
05:43 DjSoLaNuM makes you nigbour complain dont it ?
05:43 DjSoLaNuM XD
05:43 LemLap DjSoLaNuM, it's "I dare you"
05:43 Electricguy i'm not even going to link to DJ Rankin.. cause 1. he SUCKED.. 2. i used to listen to his crap when i was little 3. he totally ruined my childhood! XD
05:43 LemLap "I dear you" makes no sense
05:44 DjSoLaNuM oh hell im having a good time
05:44 DjSoLaNuM XD
05:47 Electricguy lol! XD http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428639_192426607528867_562862376_n.jpg
05:48 wannabe1987 lem, he's from norway, nothing makes sense
05:49 Electricguy what she said! ^
05:49 Electricguy :P
05:52 LemLap brb
05:57 DjSoLaNuM thanx.. now i im realy smart
05:57 DjSoLaNuM or something
05:58 wannabe1987 or not....you're norwegian :P
05:58 Electricguy XD
05:58 wannabe1987 .in 11hours remind me to refill my paxil
05:58 BotSteve wannabe1987: Okay, will remind at 16:58Z
05:58 DjSoLaNuM then thanx
05:58 wannabe1987 i'm not sure how tor espond
05:59 DjSoLaNuM well
05:59 wannabe1987 idk what "thanx" is....its something i used in middle school, thats for sure :)
05:59 wannabe1987 ;)
05:59 DjSoLaNuM computers actualy lurned me to spell... in norwegian that is
06:00 Electricguy yeah they kinda failed at the english section though! ;)
06:00 Electricguy but it's ok.. at least i can still understand what you mean :P
06:00 Electricguy most of the time
06:00 wannabe1987 ................................
06:00 * wannabe1987 ignores you
06:01 DjSoLaNuM yeah and guys like you helped me
06:01 * wannabe1987 is a girl
06:01 wannabe1987 the computer *taught* you whatever, not learned you
06:02 Electricguy for some reason "guys" use to mean both boys and girls.. i dunno why :P
06:02 wannabe1987 and Electricguy, who is the girl in the photo, whats she supposed to be....
06:02 wannabe1987 yes, eg, it did, but idk why
06:02 Electricguy which one of the photos?
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06:06 wannabe1987 you said "v cute"
06:06 wannabe1987 babes with blades
06:06 Electricguy you can rightclick on the picture and copy the link..: P
06:06 Electricguy would be easier
06:07 wannabe1987 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=294592947298435&amp;set=a.293017144122682.67604.266032803487783&amp;type=1&amp;ref=nf
06:07 BotSteve Title: BWB (Babes With Blades) | Facebook
06:07 Electricguy ah
06:07 Electricguy well.. i dunno really.. XD but she looks cute :P
06:07 wannabe1987 fail
06:08 Electricguy she is in fact a real friend of mine.. :P
06:08 wannabe1987 vs a fake friend?
06:08 Electricguy yeah i suppose.. :P
06:09 Electricguy not one of those "ADD AS FRIEND AND NEVER CHAT OR ANYTHING!"... :P
06:27 wannabe1987 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=431598743529380&amp;set=a.224426667579923.54453.214511138571476&amp;type=1&amp;ref=nf
06:27 BotSteve Title: Wall Photos | Facebook
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10:30 Twiddlekins_ http://vimeo.com/41892788 giant balls
10:30 BotSteve Title: Big Wooden Ball Project on Vimeo
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11:08 einball_ http://nerdhybride.de/?p=50
11:09 BotSteve Title: Nerdhybride › Why hacking is important
11:16 Thermoelectric Very true link.
11:17 einball_ Thanks :)
11:17 Thermoelectric Is that yours?
11:17 einball_ Yes
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11:18 Thermoelectric Looks like a lot of effort has gone into that. Shall have deeper look some day!
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11:25 einball_ Unfortunately i always face that damn language barrier :(
11:26 Thermoelectric You seem to be going quite well so far, apart from some of the headings.
11:26 Thermoelectric And your, what appears to be the about you.
11:26 einball_ oops
11:27 einball_ that's still german, right?
11:27 Thermoelectric The about thing, yup.
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11:33 Thermoelectric What do you know, that's magically in english now. :D
11:33 einball_ Thermoelectric: fixed
11:33 Thermoelectric Wonderful!
11:37 einball_ I hope, Iam able to contribute something to the hacker community.
11:38 einball_ Until now I've been quite a large mouth without anything behind ...
11:41 Thermoelectric I think if you keep your blog going, it'll be beneficial to the community, it's always nice to read about how everyone else ends up in the same situation.
11:42 einball_ Yes. I enjoy reading blogs from all over the world :)
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11:43 einball_ I hope I can keep it up! :)
11:43 einball_ do you have a blog Thermoelectric ?
11:43 Thermoelectric Good luck!
11:44 Thermoelectric Yeah, I do, not much at the moment though, nothing very special... I don't have the patience to write useful posts yet. http://attemptedmaker.blogspot.com.au/
11:44 BotSteve Title: Attempted maker
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11:45 einball oh nice to see - Will have a look at that one tonight
11:45 einball project follow ups are also quite cool
11:47 Thermoelectric Yeah, it's intended to be where I'll post progress on my projects, but alas, Blogger doesn't appear to make posting lots of pictures in a blog easy. Ah well.
11:48 einball Well, its not easy to keep up quality -  wrote my article in about 30 hrs
11:48 einball So, I'll not post at a high frequency, but once or twice a month
11:48 einball Its no shame! :)
11:49 Thermoelectric Oh wow... That must take a load of patience. I'd take quality over quantity anyday! :D
11:49 einball Yes it takes - But Iam a student, so I have to have patience! >D
11:55 Thermoelectric Ah, I see. I am also a student, but outside of this wonderful and busy stage of secondary school I just want to rest...
11:55 Thermoelectric What stage of schooling are you in?
12:00 einball university ;)
12:01 einball sry, I was in the shower ...
12:01 einball Two weeks until exams, then three weeks of exams then 2 month practical term in swizerland
12:02 einball +t
12:04 Thermoelectric Ah, the fun part of schooling... What are you studying for, if you don't mind me asking?
12:04 einball hold on one sec
12:05 einball I study communications engineering - electrical engineering
12:05 einball and trust me: It's no fun at all ;)
12:06 Thermoelectric Sounds like an interesting field at least, guess it can't all be fun! I'm wondering what I should study at Uni, but there's so many things that seem interesting!
12:08 einball electrical engineering? :D
12:08 Thermoelectric Yup, that's one of them.
12:08 einball the only one :D
12:08 Thermoelectric Aren't there a few types of electrical engineering though?
12:09 einball yes
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12:09 einball here in germany: automationstechnik (automation ans stuff - SPS AWL ..)
12:09 einball communications engineering
12:09 einball and renewable energy sources
12:09 Thermoelectric The third sounds like fun.
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12:10 einball uhm .. kinda
12:11 einball :)
12:11 Thermoelectric Guessing it's all the theory side of things... I'd rather just go and make stuff. :D
12:11 einball me too
12:12 Carvagon need a recommendation for a good large file transfer site
12:12 Carvagon any suggestions?
12:13 Thermoelectric Dropbox offers 2GB free, with 500MB per referral...
12:15 Carvagon cool thats what ive been lookin at
12:28 Thermoelectric I love how people must just watch the log rather than sit in the channel, got referrals from the log of this channel to my blog, haha.
12:29 Thermoelectric Sleep time, night all1
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15:12 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon peepz, geekz, noobz & nerdz
15:17 astro73|roam hehe, i just wrote a chrome extension to watch the ticketing system at work
15:17 Experimentonomen hm
15:18 * Experimentonomen has been moving furniture around all day at work
15:29 Experimentonomen and the nolstalgia toshiba t3100 laptop is still for sale, the price is nof a 35sek which is 3.5 euros
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15:36 mashpriborintorg hi
15:36 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon
15:45 einball \o/
15:46 mashpriborintorg I am missing the captains blogs so bad...
15:50 astro73|roam \o_
15:50 astro73|roam _o/
15:56 * Experimentonomen watches some guys in a yellow van put um "circus maximum" signs around a tree
16:02 Electricguy note to self... DON'T place water on the top of a minecraft world
16:02 Electricguy borks the game totally and pulls down the FPS to 0
16:03 Experimentonomen hm
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16:14 Experimentonomen *yawn*
16:14 wannabe1987 same
16:16 mashpriborintorg not better
16:16 Experimentonomen been moving furniture around all day at work, my paws are tired
16:16 wannabe1987 o.o you have paws?
16:17 astro73|roam furry!
16:17 mashpriborintorg last time I did that, a heavy desk collapsed on my leg, almost breaking it
16:17 wannabe1987 apparently
16:17 Experimentonomen paws, feet, endeffectors, whatever :P
16:18 wannabe1987 left lower extremity......right lower extremity.  thats what we call them
16:18 Experimentonomen also got to smash some junk furnityre that was beeing thrown out
16:20 mashpriborintorg seems to be more fun than the Business Objects controls I do all day long
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16:26 Electricguy hmmm... no CB
16:26 mashpriborintorg no CB ? ok, I kill a rabbitt
16:26 Electricguy hehe
16:27 Electricguy no new CB in like a week
16:27 astro73|roam youtube might still be retarded
16:27 Electricguy myeah
16:29 BitViper ok everyone, we each kill a kitten for every day there's no cb
16:29 Electricguy NO
16:29 BitViper ok, a politician ?
16:29 astro73|roam .... maybe
16:29 Electricguy sure why not? :)
16:29 BitViper lol
16:30 BitViper lets go halfway, go after the lobbyists
16:31 astro73|roam they're endless, too
16:31 astro73|roam ... how would the country react to assisanation of lobbyists?
16:31 astro73|roam as a serious question
16:31 BitViper meh, forget the zombie appocolypse, the lobbyist appocolypse is here
16:31 Experimentonomen mass jailing of ppl ? :P
16:31 Electricguy not at all
16:32 BitViper better question, would anyone but the politicians notice ?
16:32 Experimentonomen blegh i dont at all feel like making dinner tonite :/
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16:33 Experimentonomen if wannabe1987 was my neighbour, i'd ask her to cook for me
16:34 BitViper then dont, i havnt had solid food in a few days except for a small bowl of cereal and a donught hole.
16:34 BitViper havnt been able to eat, cant even force eat =(
16:35 Experimentonomen sheesh bits, u gotta eat to stay healphy and have the strenght to get through the day
16:35 BitViper tell my mouth that, anything i try to eat my mouth and throat react as if its pig poo
16:35 Electricguy o_O
16:36 Experimentonomen BitViper needs a doctor, someything aint right
16:36 BitViper i need a lot of things im not likely to get
16:37 Experimentonomen i eat breakfast in the morning and try to eat a sturdy dinner every day
16:37 * Experimentonomen puts 911 on speed dial for the next time BitViper passes out without notice
16:38 BitViper lol, i can picture it now, grand rapids gets a 911 call from europe
16:38 BitViper "im sorry sir, we just cant send our ambulance to europe"
16:39 wannabe1987 lol
16:39 BitViper ok im laying down for another hour, then will see about going in to the lab and building the antenna tuner
16:40 BitViper ohai wannabe1987
16:40 SparkyProjects If you dial 911 in the UK you get the UK emergency services (our normal number is 999)
16:41 Experimentonomen in sweden its 112
16:41 Experimentonomen used to be 90000 but that was too long so they changed it to 112
16:41 * einball puts a gun to his head
16:41 einball Electromagnetic fields in my head .... >.<
16:42 * Experimentonomen degausses einball
16:42 SparkyProjects And if you dial 112 in the UK you also get UK emergency services (couldn't remember the european number)
16:42 einball uhm no .. need more Theta = n * I
16:42 einball and B*µ*H
16:42 einball B=µ*H
16:42 Experimentonomen YUCK! equations :/
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16:44 einball See? Deadly conditions
16:48 * einball cuddles up
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16:58 BotSteve wannabe1987: remind me to refill my paxil
17:06 mashpriborintorg Ummm. El cheapo radio from the junk bin. No fuse or whatever onto the mains circuit, bad
17:07 mashpriborintorg and mains wired bounded directly into the transformer
17:19 Experimentonomen i've never seen a fuse in any clock radio i've taken apart
17:19 Electricguy me neither
17:19 mashpriborintorg transformer and mains cable were a single part
17:19 SparkyProjects You find ttat a lot with wallwarts, and on many radios, there's usually a heat sensitive fuse in the transformer
17:20 mashpriborintorg usually there is a thermal cutout in the transformer at least
17:20 SparkyProjects But that's the good thing about UK plugs, there's a fuse in them
17:21 einball fuses are overrated
17:22 mashpriborintorg primary coil winding of the transformer was all stuck together, came as a single block of copper, proof of overheat
17:22 Monkeh SparkyProjects: In the plugs, but not in the warts. :)
17:22 Electricguy einball, yeah especially in cars
17:22 einball mashpriborintorg: windings decided to melt to resist more current! :D
17:23 SparkyProjects Monkeh, that's why no wallwart in my house is plugged directly anto a wall socket, i have 4 or 6way extensions that are also used for other associated equipment
17:24 Experimentonomen mash, that would be the laquer the trafo was dipped in
17:25 SparkyProjects Cheap trafo's are not dipped, they rely on the enamel and plastic insulation
17:27 mashpriborintorg not this kind of sticking....
17:27 Monkeh SparkyProjects: SMPSUs are normally fused at least. But the transformers.. One transformer, four diodes, a capacitor, and if you're _really_ lucky, a ressitor.
17:27 mashpriborintorg it was the bad one, the thing also took fire :p
17:28 SparkyProjects You usually get a resistor in wallwart chargers, not in a psu
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18:01 astro73|roam .fortune
18:01 BotSteve Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde  Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style. -- The Unnamed Usenetter
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18:03 Carvagon ok dumb question.  does a "space" equal a Return in Windows PowerShell?
18:04 Damianz I don't think so but it's been a while since I touched powershell.
18:04 astro73|roam pretty sure no
18:05 Carvagon cool.  then its not me screweing up
18:05 Carvagon lol
18:06 astro73|roam probably is; power shell is a bit quirky
18:07 Carvagon im just tryin to load Net Framework 3.5 thru it
18:09 astro73|roam "load"?
18:29 Carvagon i think MS refers to it as"turning it on"
18:29 Carvagon but the server manager is erroring out so im trying the back door method
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18:34 Seroster SPARKYPROJEEEECTS
18:34 Seroster SparkyProjects, daddy, help xD
18:35 SparkyProjects ?
18:35 Seroster Hooked up my variac as I thought logical
18:35 SparkyProjects and ?
18:35 Seroster U1 and U2 (black and blue) to line and M1 + R to load (M1 was tied directly to blue, neutral)
18:36 Seroster I thought of using my big contactor thing with e-stop, ammeter, fuses....
18:36 Seroster But decided not to because of lazyness and used the balcony outlet that got a wall switch
18:36 Seroster God knows what happened, probably created a dead short and in doing so also a small black hole, but the wall switch is fried xD
18:37 SparkyProjects Oops
18:37 SparkyProjects Didn't you include a fuse ?
18:37 Seroster Yeah...
18:37 Electricguy keep in mind it's a transformer.. not a rheostat :P
18:37 Seroster Hey, it didn't have one... Lol
18:38 Seroster electricguy, Doesn't look like this, but the function is the same. http://www.google.se/imgres?um=1&amp;hl=sv&amp;sa=N&amp;biw=1920&amp;bih=912&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=TA1FBam_SUjo_M:&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.photo-dictionary.com/phrase/1829/rheostat.html&amp;docid=PAtrY4T7rh18jM&amp;imgurl=http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/1829/2409rheostat.jpg&amp;w=700&amp;h=483&amp;ei=-d3YT9nzOaqg4gS32_mYAw&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=549&amp;vpy=152&amp;dur=1569&amp;hovh=186&amp;hovw=270&amp;tx=164&amp;ty=133&amp;sig=1149494550768
18:38 Seroster 36901739&page=1&tbnh=121&tbnw=176&start=0&ndsp=47&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:76
18:38 Seroster FFFUUU
18:38 Seroster http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/1829/2409rheostat.jpg
18:38 Electricguy i know what a rheostat is.. :P
18:38 Seroster Buuut copper instead of tungsten.
18:39 Electricguy and an iron core..
18:39 Seroster yup
18:39 Seroster Now name it, rheostat or variac.
18:39 Electricguy well, variable transformer :P
18:39 SparkyProjects Live and neutral should be connected to each end, load should be connected to where the neutral is and wiper
18:39 Electricguy cause the primary is supposed to be hooked like on a regular trafo :P
18:39 Seroster SparkyProjects, That's how it is...
18:40 Electricguy clearlt NOT as you failed.. :P
18:40 Seroster That is the way my common sense told me to wire it
18:40 Electricguy clearly*
18:40 Seroster Anyway.... Gotta check on that outlet... Possibly replace. lol.
18:45 Seroster SparkyProjects, I think I found the cause of death, or, why the contact wouldn't change position. It was arc welded. xD
18:45 SparkyProjects Ah
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18:53 * wannabe|tgg-afk has food :D
19:06 wannabe|tgg-afk jalapenos are evil
19:07 mashpriborintorg whats new at the lab wannabe|tgg-afk
19:07 wannabe|tgg-afk putting os's on laptops
19:08 sndwrx hi wannabe
19:08 wannabe|tgg-afk o.O  you're still alive?!
19:08 wannabe|tgg-afk hi sndwrx
19:09 wannabe|tgg-afk how are you doing?
19:10 sndwrx Not too bad I s'pose.  You?
19:10 wannabe|tgg-afk surviving
19:10 Seroster SparkyProjects, there is a switch on the thing
19:10 Seroster Three wires
19:10 Seroster black neutral black
19:10 Seroster '-'
19:11 Seroster Says "Ein" and "aus" on it, in and out. Might just circumvent it
19:11 SparkyProjects Might be a bypass switch
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19:11 Seroster Yup... Screw that. xD
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19:21 Seroster Yep, SparkyProjects, the bypass screwed me.
19:21 Seroster Shorted to neutral
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19:24 Experimentonomen g'evenin Chipguy
19:24 Chipguy hey
19:25 * Monkeh waits patiently for Seroster to melt his variac
19:25 Experimentonomen Chipguy, first day at new "work" today
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19:26 Chipguy oooo Experimentonomen
19:26 Chipguy tell me about your "new" work ?
19:26 Chipguy what is it ?
19:26 Experimentonomen google erikshjälpen
19:26 Experimentonomen ;)
19:27 Chipguy oh
19:27 Chipguy this has nothing to do with electronics huh
19:27 Experimentonomen im on the furniture department
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19:46 Seroster Note to self. Pay attention to which breaker you are on.
19:46 Chipguy furniture
19:46 Chipguy cool
19:46 Chipguy i need some furniture for the lounge
19:46 Chipguy some for the hall
19:46 Chipguy please sent to germany :P
19:47 mashpriborintorg going to sleep bye
19:47 Seroster cya mash
19:47 mashpriborintorg thx
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20:00 Experimentonomen Chipguy, you germans should have your own variation, in usa they have goodwill which is more or less the same thing
20:01 Chipguy yeah
20:01 Chipguy we have
20:03 Experimentonomen and i thought i could pick stuff from the e-scrap cage, but they clearly stated in the introduction that once something is put in the trash bins, its off limits, even before i had a chance to ask
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20:04 Experimentonomen and when it comes to furniture, we destroy everything we deem not worth selling before throwing it out, i guess to prevent garbage pickers from making use of it for free
20:04 Chipguy yeah typical western behaviour
20:04 Chipguy its so that ppl need to buy stuff
20:05 Experimentonomen but we do it the fun way, by smashing it
20:05 Chipguy hehe
20:05 Chipguy i was surprised that all my old kitchen stuff which was broken and garbage went within 12 hours of putting it out
20:06 Experimentonomen i hope i wont be shoved out in the store on my second ever day there to help customers :/
20:07 Chipguy aw
20:07 Experimentonomen store is only open on tuesday, thursday and saturday, so today was store closed
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20:09 Chipguy ok
20:10 Experimentonomen and today was a pretty slow day with not that much to do, so i kinda wandered around
20:11 Experimentonomen that toshiba t3100 is still there, price is 3.5 euros now
20:16 Electricguy :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJOX0c60wQE&amp;feature=g-u-u
20:16 BotSteve Title: 5000 Amp Fuse + Tools Melt With High Current - YouTube
20:17 Electricguy a NEW photonicinduction vid :)
20:18 Seroster Ah, photon, the dude who left forever, came back, left forever again and then came back?
20:19 Experimentonomen i dont watch photon's vids anymore, due to his actions i have no interest in his vids anymore
20:19 Seroster I kinda find him to be a scumbag, not to mention his voice is annoying
20:20 Electricguy he's english.. and do a lot of crazy shit.. what more can you ask for?
20:20 Seroster Not being an idiot and talking like one?
20:20 Experimentonomen and i wouldent say thats a new vid as he scrapped that high current transformer a long time ago, if anything its a reupload like he said he was gonna do
20:21 Electricguy well.. he's not an idiot really.. cause then he wouldn't run his own electrics service company and have a wall full of diplomas....
20:21 Electricguy Experimentonomen, no it's a totally different trafo
20:22 Seroster Whosoever melts down a cresent wrench on his livingroom carpet is to be seen as an idiot.
20:23 Electricguy yeah. same with people who play with teslacoils at home.. that are also acting as a highly ilegal RF transmitter
20:23 Experimentonomen Seroster, then im an idiot as well as i melted steel screws in my living room and have the burn marks in the floor to prove it
20:26 Seroster I really don't care at all about what he knows, I just find his voice so damn annoying I can't stand him no matter what kind of genius he is.
20:33 wannabe|tgg-afk we have two interns named steve, one will be called "blue" per his request.....there is also egrsteve.
20:33 wannabe|tgg-afk we had all three steves in oen room and i tried to talk to on eof them, it iddn't work
20:36 BitViper well at least its easier to just blame steve this way
20:36 wannabe|tgg-afk lol
20:37 Seroster SpaekyProjects, Took it apart, removed connections, tried, breaker didnt trip.  Replaced connections one by one, tested each one, breaker was fine. Now a while later I replaced them all and the breaker STILL hasn't tripped, and it was wired exactly as before... WTF?!
20:37 SpaekyProjects strange
20:38 BitViper maybe thats not what tripped the breaker in the first place
20:38 SpaekyProjects Either the blow out clreared the problem, or you may have rewired slighhtly different
20:39 Seroster Btw, SpaEky, mind renicking? =P
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20:49 Experimentonomen SpaekyProjects, or maybe its like my 1.5kVA transformer, sometimes it starts up just fine and sometimes it blows the breaker
20:50 SpaekyProjects That would be inrush, sometimes it starts on the peak of the waveform, other times lower
20:50 SpaekyProjects Serosters blew up the soxket, that suggests a short
20:51 Seroster Aye
20:51 Seroster Strange, but now it works
20:51 Seroster Insulated the working end of the shaft that is the new knob
20:52 Experimentonomen SpaekyProjects, though a 500VA transformer of the same brand can be plugged in on a 6A fuse every time with no problem, even with big capacitors on the secondary side
20:52 Seroster It was thrown out because the knob shaft was broken, so I machined a new one out of iron, bent it at two 90* angles and wired it all up
20:52 Seroster This is an 8 amp variac
20:52 Seroster Or, rheostat. Whatever the hell it is.
20:52 Electricguy variav
20:52 Experimentonomen but the 1.5kVA one can only start up like once every ten tries withoout popping a 10A breaker
20:52 Electricguy would run HOT AS HELL if it was a rheostat.. :P
20:53 Electricguy my 8A variac starts up just fine every time on a 6A breaker
20:53 SpaekyProjects Depends on the inductance
20:53 Electricguy of course
20:54 lwq1996 .seen wannabe|tgg-afk
20:54 BotSteve lwq1996: I last saw wannabe|tgg-afk 0.29 hours ago at 2012-06-13 20:36:42 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 20:54:07 UTC
20:54 Electricguy my variac is one of these square mint green powder coated boxes made by Colvern Ltd. in England :P
20:55 Experimentonomen i think im gonna tie the softstart relay to a circuit very similar to that of the dc protection delay as my softstart with the 230V relay closes at low enuf voltage to still cause enuf of a surge to blow a 6A breaker
20:55 Seroster This is grey on the minty side =P
20:55 Seroster SpaekyProjects, how would you design a cheap DIY softstart? Switch and capacitor?
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20:56 Electricguy switch and big resistor
20:56 Electricguy or switch and a lightbulb..
20:56 Experimentonomen Seroster, a resistor in series with the mains unput with a relay that bypasses the resistor after a few seconds
20:57 SpaekyProjects I think the easiest would be a ballast or big resistor in series, and a relay that shorts out the balllast after a short time
20:57 Seroster But.... Capacitors.... :(
20:57 Experimentonomen just google "transformer softstart"
20:57 Seroster But.... Capacitors.... :(
20:57 Electricguy or switch and a lightbulb..
20:58 SpaekyProjects http://www.mhennessy2.f9.co.uk/a4/soft_start_series.gif
20:58 SpaekyProjects A capacitor may work
20:59 Seroster I want something that involves CAPACITORS!
20:59 Electricguy stuff a half dead SLA in there instead.. soft starts LOVE half dead SLA's
21:00 SpaekyProjects No harm in trying the same circuit with capacitors
21:00 SpaekyProjects But remember, at the poing of power up, they will act like a low resistance (short)
21:00 SpaekyProjects *point
21:00 Electricguy yeah it kinda defeats the purpose of a soft start
21:01 SpaekyProjects It would be  a hard start :P
21:01 Seroster .... But... Capacitors :<
21:01 Electricguy NO.
21:01 Seroster CAPACITORS
21:01 Electricguy NO.
21:02 Seroster YES
21:02 Electricguy NO.
21:02 Seroster I want to solve evrything in life with capacitors.
21:02 Seroster Starvation in africa? CAPACITORS!
21:02 Electricguy sero.. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG
21:02 Seroster Civil war in egypt? CAPACITORS!
21:02 Experimentonomen the only use of a capacitor in a softstart circuit is the rc time delay circuit shown in the circuit SpaekyProjects posted
21:02 Seroster http://www.electronicsandyou.com/electronics-basics/Capacitors.jpg !!
21:03 Seroster I HATE YOU! YOU AINT MY REAL DAD!
21:03 Electricguy hell no. and i'm proud of it :P
21:04 Experimentonomen http://www.mhennessy2.f9.co.uk/a4/soft_start_series.gif <-- that is the circuit i would use, only downside is that it needs a small external power supply to operate, which in my case is no prollem since i need a small psu to power the dc pörotection circuit and the fan
21:06 SpaekyProjects You can get dc from the mains with a resistor, rectifier, capacitor, and a zener or regulator
21:07 Experimentonomen transformerless power supplies are not safe as their not isolated from the mains
21:07 Experimentonomen also 12-15V relay coild usually need more current than such dividers can supply anyways
21:08 Electricguy variacs are not either.. so it doesn't really matter for this application
21:08 Experimentonomen unless u use a solid state relay
21:08 Electricguy most variacs at least
21:08 SpaekyProjects You would isolate the circuit, it only operares the relay, so no external connections
21:08 SpaekyProjects It used to be done a lot before smps
21:09 Experimentonomen on the allaboutcircuits.com forum they close all threads that mentions anything automotive and transformerless
21:09 Experimentonomen even if its for a "isolated" thing like this that only operates a relay inside a box
21:10 Experimentonomen and automotive is not allowed due to safety concerns
21:10 Electricguy automotive is just crude low voltage..
21:10 wannabe|tgg-afk lwq1996
21:11 Electricguy can't see the unsafe part as long as you don't play around with the ignition HV parts
21:11 lwq1996 does it make me a kid to watch avatar: the last air bender?
21:11 wannabe|tgg-afk no....i kinda enjoy the tv show
21:11 Experimentonomen Electricguy, low voltage at extremely high current, one slip and the car can bown to the ground
21:11 lwq1996 lol
21:12 Electricguy Experimentonomen, ever heard of FUSES? :P they are there for a very good reason :P
21:12 wannabe|tgg-afk except my brother will watch 2/3rds to 3/4 of an episode and then CHANGE EPISODES
21:12 Experimentonomen lwq1996, im almost 27 years old and still watch cartoons like thundercats and megaman, so no
21:12 lwq1996 lol
21:13 Experimentonomen and the cartoon south part was actually intended for the adult generation, it was aired on tv here in sweden late at night
21:13 Experimentonomen south park*
21:14 Experimentonomen way beyond any time kids would be allowed to be up and watch tv
21:15 lwq1996 i told my mom that if this doesnt stop hurting by tomorrow shes talking me to the hospital or the doctor
21:15 Experimentonomen Electricguy, but in automotive modifications such as car audio, fuses are commonly removed because the subwoofers take more power to go *BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM* than what the fuses can withstand
21:16 Electricguy ...no.. you have special fuses for that
21:16 Experimentonomen because them stupid teenager just have to have th3ese multikilowatt amps that take more current than there are fuses made for
21:16 Electricguy ranging between 40-around 800A
21:17 BitViper_Lappy thats why you run the stereo on a separate set of fuses/breakers
21:17 BitViper_Lappy wired on their own circuit from the battery
21:17 Electricguy one type of fuse is called AGU
21:17 Electricguy others may look something like this http://staticimages.hifisoundconnection.com/caraudioaccessor-fuses-anl.jpg
21:18 Experimentonomen so 10kW(steve meade) is more than 1000 Amps or even 10000 Amps, your looking at power line fuses at those kinda currents
21:18 Electricguy you got more than one cable at those powers.. :P
21:18 Electricguy big car audio amps got multiple connectors for each pole to be able to handle the power
21:19 Electricguy Steve Meade got 30kW in his demo car
21:19 Experimentonomen at 12V, its 500-1000A per kilowatt
21:20 Electricguy yep
21:20 Electricguy thats where you need the 6-8 alternators and like 15 high performance batteries
21:20 Electricguy and busbars instead of cables...
21:21 Experimentonomen so more than 30kA in steves setup, i wonder if the cars engine even have enuf power to run all those alternators and still be driveable
21:21 Electricguy well.. you dfon't pull that current all the time.. :)
21:22 Experimentonomen well each bass thump muszt be like stomping the brake from the current mulses
21:22 Thermoelectric Experimentonomen, They would, consider the size of the engine, a few hundred kilowatts, the alternators would only pull 30kW of that.
21:22 Carvagon i had 12,000W on stock alternator, 2000A battery and would run for 18 hours and start right up
21:22 wannabe|tgg-afk .ssen BitViper_Lappy
21:22 Carvagon drove 75 miles one way to work everyday for 3 years
21:23 wannabe|tgg-afk .seen BitViper_Lappy
21:23 BotSteve wannabe|tgg-afk: I last saw BitViper_Lappy 0.10 hours ago at 2012-06-13 21:17:19 UTC on #thegeekgroup.  Current time: 21:23:02 UTC
21:23 Electricguy 2000A battery?
21:23 Electricguy and you would need a insane battery bank to run a 12kW stereo for 18h and THEN start the car
21:24 Electricguy the hardcore car audio geeks rev the engine pretty high to the all the alternators to charge
21:24 Thermoelectric Okay, I have to ask, does the silkscreened colour of a motherboard, define the quantity of copper in the board? I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
21:24 Experimentonomen Thermoelectric, mechanical horsepower yes, but add the losses in the drive belt and the alternators and u quickly reach and exceed the engines total power just for a mere 30kW of electricity
21:24 Experimentonomen i think Carvagon had one of those "12kW" amps that in reality made maybe 20-50 watts rms per channel
21:24 * BitViper_Lappy sneaks up behind wannabe|tgg-afk
21:24 Carvagon hold on.  ill show you the link
21:24 Electricguy Thermoelectric, nah. the color is just for the look
21:25 wannabe|tgg-afk i'm siting up against a wall, must be skinny, bit
21:25 Carvagon https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109190972436460362023/albums/5745341021361140961
21:25 BotSteve Title: Photos - Google+
21:25 Thermoelectric Thought so, some commenters on one of those scrapping videos think otherwise though.
21:25 wannabe|tgg-afk zozo wondered where you went off to
21:26 BitViper i came back home, moose hadnt done the repair part yet, and i couldnt find any of the connectors i need for the tuner, so came back home
21:26 Electricguy still.. you can't run the stero for 18h and THEn start the car.. if you got a 12kW system
21:26 BitViper mostly laying here moaning :(
21:26 Electricguy it's technically impossible
21:26 wannabe|tgg-afk ah.  ok.  how did you organize the ram
21:26 wannabe|tgg-afk i don't need to know what you're doing....
21:27 Carvagon i did.  ive done it.  many times.
21:27 Electricguy impossible
21:27 Electricguy and where is your big amp?
21:27 BitViper wannabe|tgg-afk : the ram is bagged by type, not sorted by size within type yet
21:27 Carvagon twice i did it multiple days in a row
21:27 wannabe|tgg-afk type meaning?
21:27 Carvagon i had 7 amps
21:27 Carvagon only three are visible
21:27 Electricguy you NEED to have the car running to charge the battery..
21:27 BitViper pc2700 vs pc3200
21:27 wannabe|tgg-afk ahhhhh ok
21:27 wannabe|tgg-afk thanks :)
21:28 Electricguy otherwise, with a 12kW system you are going to drain the battery in a couple of minutes
21:28 Chipguy nighttime for me
21:28 Chipguy going to bed with kitty
21:28 wannabe|tgg-afk night Chipguy
21:28 Chipguy and have a nice.....
21:28 BitViper tell kitty hi
21:28 Chipguy nite all
21:28 Electricguy night Chipguy :)
21:28 Experimentonomen Crown MA10k <-- what a real 10kW audio amp looks like
21:28 * BitViper sends kitty bag of catnip
21:29 Experimentonomen so u can see wmy all "10+ kW" car amps are just PMPO bullshit
21:30 Electricguy not all.. :P
21:30 Electricguy rockford made a 20kW car amp.. but it's the size of a car seat pretty much :P
21:31 Electricguy but a shoebox size amp that claims several kW is total bullshit :P
21:31 Experimentonomen that crown amp is so heavy that not even a fork lift can lift it, you need a tractor or excavator to move it
21:31 Electricguy and i still want to know what amp Carvagon got
21:31 Electricguy and the Ah rating on the battery..
21:32 Experimentonomen as far as i remem ber, that rockford amp never actually made ito into stores, but was merely a demo/showoff thing
21:33 Electricguy it really DID make it into stores :P
21:33 Electricguy Steve Meade have built a car for a customer with 2 of those amps
21:33 Experimentonomen much like that mtx jackhammer in a buick century ala pimp my ride, that was actually a showoff by MTX
21:34 Electricguy yeah.. now you can buy the jackhammers though
21:34 Experimentonomen but not the 22" monster used in the MPR episode, just the smaller like 15-18" version
21:34 Electricguy even BRL got it :P http://www.brl.se/sv/artiklar/jackhammer-22-tum.html
21:34 BotSteve Title: MTX Jackhammer 22 tum | MTX | Ljud och bild i bil | Brl.se
21:34 Electricguy not cheap though..
21:35 Electricguy it comes delivered on a pallet.. XD
21:35 Carvagon lol i had 7 amps.  hold let me see if i can find the models
21:35 Electricguy i suppose they only got one in stock..
21:35 Electricguy yeah and i want the Ah rating on your battery too...
21:36 Carvagon i do know the ones in the back hatch were 800w going to each coil of the sub x 2 and the 5.1 digital surround amp was 1200w
21:36 Carvagon all alpine
21:36 Electricguy i still want the batterys Ah rating..
21:36 Electricguy judging by the size.. approx 100-105Ah..
21:37 Electricguy 12kW is going to drain that in no time
21:37 Carvagon 102Ah
21:37 Electricguy thats nothing..
21:37 Carvagon http://www.kinetikpower.com/2009/product.asp?P=KHC2000&amp;C=1
21:37 BotSteve Title: Kinetik High Current Power Cells
21:38 Experimentonomen od Carvagon flunked the ratings and thought the rated power of all channels combimed was per channel
21:38 Electricguy my dad got a 105Ah battery in his job van.. he forgot to pull the plug for the laptop car charger one evening. the battery was totally flat in the morning..
21:38 Electricguy about 12h later..
21:38 Experimentonomen as it looks now we have 800W and 1200W, not 12kW
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21:39 Experimentonomen Electricguy, anmd that was just 100W or less
21:39 Carvagon each 800w amp drove one side of the coil independently.  so it is actually 1600w.
21:40 Experimentonomen if your battery last 18 hours and still cranks the starter motor over like new, those amps are all pmpo BS
21:40 Electricguy so we got a total of 1600Watts on the sub.. and 1200Watts total on the surround amp..
21:40 Electricguy not really 120kW
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21:40 Electricguy and still, even with that little power it's technically IMOSSIBLE to run it 18h on a battery with no charging
21:41 Experimentonomen 2800 watts will still drain a 105Ah battery in less than a hour
21:41 Electricguy yeah
21:41 Carvagon lol i can give you the car designers shop number and he can send you the test results
21:41 Electricguy it's still impossible..
21:41 Electricguy if the battery isn't self charging with black magic or something...
21:42 Carvagon in auxilary mode it was charging.
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21:42 Experimentonomen im willing to bet that test report sez 18 minutes and not hours, and most likely with the engine running and the system on low volume and not actually flat out full volume
21:42 Carvagon first night it was done it sat in his shop all night with everything on for 10 hours
21:43 Electricguy yeah i don't really take this too serious as the output power suddleny dropped from 12kW to 2.8kW...
21:43 Carvagon and i think we tested at 118 db
21:43 Electricguy lame.. :P
21:43 Carvagon where are you getting 2.8?  thats just the 3 amps.  like said there were 5 more
21:43 Experimentonomen 118dB usually only needs a few watts of power, regardless of beeing highöly efficient horn speakers of crappy inefficient car audio subs
21:43 Electricguy a classmate of mine plays over 150dB in his Ford Ka... XD
21:44 Electricguy Carvagon, and what did the other 5 amps drive?
21:45 Electricguy a 5.1 channel car amp sounds extremely weird too...
21:45 Experimentonomen sounds more like the 5.1 part is a surround processor and not an actual amp
21:46 Electricguy yeah
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21:46 Experimentonomen where the 5.1 are the amps we already determined the real ratings on
21:46 Carvagon well lets see.  there were 19 speakers.  d310 deck.  had 2 speaker center channel, 4 tweeters, 10 6" type r's, 15" sub
21:47 Electricguy but it's a very lame setup is you get 118dB with 12kW.. my classmates Ka got 7kW and plays over 150..
21:47 Carvagon 3 amps in the back, three more hidden in the box, one under the dash mounted on the firewall, and one under drivers seat
21:47 Carvagon its not an spl car.  tests on spl maxed out at 142 db
21:47 Carvagon its an sql car.  thats what it was used to compete in
21:48 Electricguy still.. something smells fishy here...
21:48 Experimentonomen the world record car audio SPL is around 173dB, and if i remember right that was set before these multikilowatt amps even existed
21:49 Carvagon lol think its fishy all u want.  i paid for it.  i drove.  won best in show 7 times with it.  it was tested by alpine.  its all good.  smell away
21:51 Experimentonomen even if your battery did last 18 hours on full volume, yous speakers would be burned up in a matter of minutes
21:51 Electricguy but first you say you get 18h playtime with no charging..
21:51 Electricguy then all of a sudden you DO have charging..
21:51 Carvagon no 18 hours without turning the engine
21:51 Electricguy Experimentonomen, not if they can handle the power :P
21:51 Carvagon that was the discussion
21:52 Electricguy you said you could play for 18h and THEN start the engine
21:52 Experimentonomen Electricguy, no speaker on the planet can handle that kinda power and not blow up
21:52 Electricguy err.. yes.. :P
21:52 Electricguy real big ass speakers got heat sinks to cool the coil :P
21:52 Carvagon then you guys dont really know the difference between spl and sql
21:52 Experimentonomen even the jackhammer would smoke trhe coice coil if given like 50 watts RMS for a few minutes, remember i totally deep fried a 300 watt car sum with like 16 watts of power
21:52 Electricguy not quite..
21:53 Electricguy the jackhammer can take 6kW rms
21:53 Electricguy for unlimited time
21:53 Electricguy 12kW tops
21:54 Experimentonomen and look at my sub, its rated 200 watts, i gave it 200 watts and 5 seconds later, the amp saw a dead short
21:54 Electricguy but it's from billebro.. that == a fucking joke.. :P
21:54 Experimentonomen and i smelled burning magnet wire
21:54 Experimentonomen billebro, its morte like relabeled MGR
21:54 Experimentonomen it looks identical to a 10" woofer made by MGR
21:55 Electricguy billebro is a company that started to import cheap china crap back in the 80's.. and they still do :P
21:55 Electricguy just search for billebro on Blocket.. you'll find all sorts of shitty and very cheap audio gear :P
21:56 Electricguy like this.. http://www.blocket.se/stockholm/2400W_4x12__discohogtalare_med_1000W_slutsteg_32259579.htm?ca=18&amp;w=3
21:56 BotSteve Title: 2400W 4x12" discohögtalare med 1000W slutsteg | Stockholm | Blocket
21:56 Electricguy a joke :P
21:56 Experimentonomen the drivers even say on them that their designed by mr billebro himself, which i think is 100% BS
21:56 Electricguy it is.. just a "fancy" sticker
21:59 Electricguy even the cheap 260Sek woof from hifikit is probably better :P
21:59 Experimentonomen i got a set of speakers once that stated 70 watts rms on the sticker on the back, but what i found inside what the kinda woofers you'd fine in a old 80's boombox
22:00 Experimentonomen rated power 5 watts
22:00 Electricguy LOL okey X
22:00 Electricguy XD
22:00 Electricguy 70 PMPO Watts :P
22:00 Experimentonomen and behinjd the floth i found a front panel that looked homemade judging from the shape of the holes
22:00 Electricguy lulz
22:01 Experimentonomen so the boxes had prolly been a set of 70W rated speakers at some point
22:01 Electricguy yeah possibly
22:02 Experimentonomen though the sticker as far as i remem ber looked like it had been printed out on a dot matrix printer
22:02 Electricguy lol ok :P
22:04 Electricguy it would be fun if you bought a el cheapo woof from like electrokit and compared it to the billebro sub :P
22:04 Experimentonomen and despite beeing one of those "prylbod" they were the more expensive set, 400sek, wheres other speakers i got at the same time was 200sek where the speaker ones were the actual genuine stuff
22:04 Experimentonomen cheaper*
22:04 Electricguy hifikit got a woof for like 160Sek.. XD
22:04 Electricguy hehehe okey :P
22:04 Experimentonomen electrokit only have those pc speaker kinda speaker drivers
22:04 Electricguy yeah
22:05 Experimentonomen and on hifikit i couldent find anything below 1000sek
22:05 Electricguy hifikit is the best hifi/PA speaker driver store i know of
22:05 Electricguy they got some very nice stuff
22:05 Electricguy all the way from bottom end to really high end stuff
22:06 Experimentonomen i had a magazine from them that i used to bring to school and sit during the breaks and just drool over all the subwoofers
22:06 Electricguy LOL! :P i did the same thing.. XD
22:06 Electricguy but the mag from Ljudia.. XD
22:06 Experimentonomen that magazine got so well read that all pages were like creased in the corners
22:06 Electricguy drooling over speakers and DJ gear.. XD
22:07 Experimentonomen compared to that magazine, hifikit seem to have like nothing today compared to then
22:07 Electricguy myeah..
22:08 Electricguy those car subs from Jula are actually pretty good for home audio use
22:08 Electricguy actually worth the money.. even if it sounds weird
22:09 Electricguy we made a computer calculated subwoofer in school with one of those drivers. it sounded very good to be so cheap
22:09 Experimentonomen as little as i use a subwoofer, the half blown uup billebro driver and the spare i have will do just fine
22:09 Electricguy lulz :P
22:10 Electricguy the only downside with cheap subs is that they usually need a very big box
22:10 Experimentonomen the most use it gets is what u saw in my latest vid
22:11 Electricguy hehe ok :P
22:11 Experimentonomen i may even take the feet off it and put them on the rackmount amp projectg instead
22:11 Electricguy oki :)
22:11 Experimentonomen the feet from a yamaha rxv something home cinema receiver
22:12 Electricguy ahh ok :)
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22:15 Electricguy bedtime now :)
22:15 Electricguy night all
22:15 Experimentonomen same here
22:15 Experimentonomen nite peepz
22:15 Electricguy night
22:15 SpaekyProjects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsdEXlPsobI#!
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22:17 BotSteve Seroster: I'll pass that on when Ponko is around.
22:17 Seroster Righto
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