Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #thegeekgroup, 2012-07-06

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08:38 Electricguy i want a SONY Mavica!
10:21 Electricguy some random poking around with my arduino punk console and korg mini kaoss pad http://soundcloud.com/electricguys-zoundz/arduinopc-minikp
10:21 BotSteve Title: ArduinoPC MINIKP by Electricguy's zoundz on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
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11:30 einball http://www.abload.de/img/dscn3482ctjmm.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/dscn3498amj09.jpg
11:31 Electricguy a pile os smashed IBM deskstar HDD platter?
11:31 Electricguy of*
11:31 Electricguy oh, nah it's a crystal of some sort
11:32 einball SiC
11:32 Electricguy surely looks like smahsed HDD platter though. lol
11:32 einball silicium carbide
11:32 Electricguy making a crystal radio, eh?
11:32 einball Got my own small LED :)
11:32 Electricguy oh
11:32 Electricguy thats what you are doing. lol
11:33 einball look at the second image
11:33 Electricguy ah
11:33 Electricguy now make a whole bunch of electrodes and turn it into a big ass LED
11:34 einball uhm, I plan to melt it
11:34 einball inductive
11:34 Electricguy lol ok
11:34 einball or whatever it takes to make a monocrystalline crystal
11:35 Electricguy KILL IT WITH FIRE!
11:35 einball 1600°C?
11:36 Electricguy sure why not? :P
11:36 Electricguy when your blowtorch got a bright white flame, you are doing it right :)
11:36 einball Iam not sure whether it melts or just disintegrates lol
11:37 Electricguy lol
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13:57 Electricguy_166 icechat is weird
14:08 SparkyProjects I think it was icechat i tried first, didn't like it, so now i use pidgin
14:08 Electricguy hehe okey
14:08 Electricguy yeah icechat is messy and supposed to "look fancy" XD
14:08 Electricguy i don't really like it
14:09 SparkyProjects I don't go for fancy, just something simple that works
14:09 Electricguy yeah
14:09 Electricguy thats why i use X-chat 2
14:09 Electricguy very plain and simple
14:09 Electricguy and just works :)
14:11 masterofmonks Electricguy, I have been using X-Chat for a decade now, and while it irritates the hell out of me sometimes, I have yet to find anythign that works better.
14:12 Electricguy hehe :P
14:12 Electricguy i haven't found anything annoying yet
14:12 Electricguy ok, the reliable total crash when pressing F8 is a bit annoying. but otherwise nothing :)
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14:17 Electricguy_166 hehe when even mIRC outperforms a IRC client, you know it's really bad :P
14:18 masterofmonks I am allergic to mIRC and cuntry music. Both make me break out in dead people.
14:18 masterofmonks country*
14:19 Electricguy LOL
14:19 Electricguy i don't like mIRC either
14:19 Electricguy but it's the best client i can find for Win98 o_O
14:19 Electricguy thats not irssi
14:22 SparkyProjects I thought about connecting my BBC B+ to the net, and maybe use a simple text irc, but it's probably roo complicated
14:22 SparkyProjects *too
14:22 masterofmonks I have telnetted into IRC before.
14:22 masterofmonks It is not an experience I wish to repeat.
14:22 Electricguy if you can get a simple serial terminal running on it you can have a Linux machine set up as a serial to IRC server machine
14:22 Electricguy not as cool though
14:23 masterofmonks The problem with telnetting is that you have to respont to everythign manually.
14:23 Electricguy yeah
14:24 Electricguy i tried IRC on telnet once.. XD
14:24 Electricguy not fun to manually ping the server to stay alive all the time. lol
14:24 masterofmonks And if you typo like I just did, the server goes "What? *disconnected*
14:24 Electricguy yeah
14:25 SparkyProjects I was thinking of something simpler, i'm sure someone out there has used the BBC into a phone modem (the type you have to put the phone handset on), surely there is a way to go through a modern modem, and not have to use another computer in the middle
14:31 masterofmonks Well you should still be able to use dialup with an acustic coupler modem.
14:31 masterofmonks acoustic*
14:32 masterofmonks That however assumes that your phone will set on the cradle.
14:33 masterofmonks I need to just break down and buy a 500 DM like I want.
15:02 sarahM if my bank is taking money out twice for one transaction, do i talk to the bank or the company who the money goes to?
15:03 masterofmonks sarahM, Question is one a preauth and the other a post?
15:04 masterofmonks And are you seeing this online or on a statement?
15:04 sarahM online.  i don't get statements
15:05 masterofmonks Ok, then are both transations posted, or are they preauths?
15:05 sarahM i've never had a double like this.  they've already taken the money out once, then theres a deposit, then theres a pending for the same transaction
15:06 masterofmonks Ok, call your bank, ask them if this is two separate transations or what, They can tell you if it is an error on their part of if the merchant is double charging you.
15:06 masterofmonks If it is the latter then you procede to the merchant.
15:06 sarahM i'll go in today
15:07 masterofmonks Do you have a banker you regularly talk to?
15:08 masterofmonks Not a teller, a banker.
15:08 sarahM i have two branches i freqent, but no
15:08 masterofmonks You should have a banker (sometimes caleld an accouts manager) that knows you on sight by name.
15:09 masterofmonks That was one of the biggest things I learned about banking.
15:09 sarahM yeah....but i freqent two branches.  there was a guy at one of the branches who knew me by name, but he's not there anymore
15:40 Electricguy LOL!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-E6EkOS-A&feature=plcp
15:40 BotSteve Title: Nom Egg/Pig/Thing - YouTube
15:42 sarahM BotSteve: should i head to the pool?
15:42 BotSteve Maybe
15:43 sarahM BotSteve: should i head to the pool?
15:43 BotSteve Not a chance
15:43 sarahM BotSteve: should i head to the pool?
15:43 BotSteve Nope
15:43 sarahM ....
15:43 sarahM BotSteve should wannabe head to the pool
15:43 BotSteve Definitely
15:43 sarahM ok :)
15:45 Electricguy Botsteve should i go to bed and get rid of this damn cold?
15:45 BotSteve I don't think so
15:45 Electricguy ... thanks! -,-
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15:54 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon peepz
15:58 Electricguy evening
15:58 Experimentonomen today has been a slow and heavy day
15:59 Experimentonomen havent had any energy to do anything :/
15:59 Experimentonomen and my throat have been hurting all day :/
16:00 Electricguy congrats. thats exactly how i feel today too :)
16:00 Experimentonomen it sucks that i seem to be getting sick just as two ppl are about to go on a 4 week vacatrion :/
16:00 Electricguy and my head is pretty much filled with snot due to the nasty cold i somehow got
16:00 Experimentonomen ouch
16:02 Experimentonomen build a fluhelper, two rubber hoses and a glass jar ;)
16:02 Electricguy LOL
16:02 Electricguy the annoying moment  comes when the bowl is almost full and you sneeze XD
16:02 Electricguy snot everywhere :P
16:03 Experimentonomen eww
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16:33 mashpriborintorg hi
16:33 Experimentonomen g'aftahnoon mash
16:33 Electricguy evening mash
16:34 mashpriborintorg whats up
16:34 mashpriborintorg no garbage find today :(
16:34 Electricguy hehe okey
16:34 Electricguy i bought a SONY Mavica today
16:34 Experimentonomen im so tired im about to collapse into a pile of scrap metal on the floor
16:35 Electricguy one of those old digital cameras that use 3.5" floppies as storage media :3
16:35 Experimentonomen Electricguy, good camera ?
16:35 mashpriborintorg I have almost the whole series of Sony mavica
16:35 Electricguy 1.3Mpix i think :P
16:35 Electricguy i bought it just for fun
16:35 Electricguy oh cool :D
16:35 mashpriborintorg just missing the one with CD writer
16:35 Electricguy hehe oki
16:35 Electricguy i want a mavica FD91
16:35 Electricguy it's damn cool
16:36 Electricguy it's amazing how cheap they are
16:36 Electricguy i gave 40 bucks incl. shipping for mine
16:37 mashpriborintorg my sonys: DSC-F717, DSC-P10, DSC-S55, MVC-FD95, MVC-FD87, MVC-FD85, MVC-FD71, MVC-FD81, GPS NVX-P1,MMVC-FD91, DSC-P72
16:37 Electricguy fully working, new battery, original charger and in mint condition
16:37 Electricguy lol :P
16:37 mashpriborintorg all defective :p
16:37 Electricguy oh XD
16:37 Electricguy thats too bad :P
16:37 mashpriborintorg the F-717 has an awesome laser focus beam system
16:38 Electricguy hehe oki
16:39 mashpriborintorg it wazs damn expensite at his time
16:40 Electricguy hehe i can imagine that :P
16:41 mashpriborintorg it's amazing how fast these device lose their value
16:41 Electricguy yeah
16:41 Electricguy not worth a crap
16:41 Experimentonomen the value drops as soon as u break the security seal on the packaging
16:41 Electricguy not always :P
16:41 Electricguy it depends on the product
16:42 Electricguy but i wonder how long it's going to take before these Mavica's start to gain value
16:42 mashpriborintorg I have a neat small ricoh camera, in the orignal box, with orinial paperwork, wrappers and all
16:42 mashpriborintorg got it for 1 or 2 euros
16:42 Electricguy cause there are not THAT many working ones left it seems
16:42 Electricguy and they were not made for very long
16:42 mashpriborintorg previous owner paid 400 euros for it 2 years before :p
16:43 Electricguy ouch XD
16:43 mashpriborintorg yeah most the time  plastic gears problems
16:43 Electricguy yeah
16:43 Electricguy the one i bought got very little use apparently
16:43 masterofmonks I just recently bought a Vivitar 400/sl film SLR camera, for a steal with all the lenses it came with.
16:43 Electricguy and worked fine when he put it to storage a year ago :P
16:44 Experimentonomen and the 1.44MB floppie can hold, what like 2-3 pictures ?
16:44 Electricguy around 30 pics
16:45 Experimentonomen hm
16:45 Electricguy it's only VGA resolution. so each pic is only some 100kB
16:45 Experimentonomen and batteries last like 5-10 pics ?
16:45 Electricguy no idea
16:45 Electricguy they use the same batterypacks as Sony handicams
16:46 Electricguy and the camera sounds exactly like the floppy drive in a computer. lol
16:46 Electricguy it's also possible to record very low resolution video in real time straight to the floppy :P
16:47 Experimentonomen ya i remember that from school when a gew students ran around with an old mavica camera, wich back then was like the most high end top of the line camera in existance
16:47 Electricguy hehe yeah :P
16:47 Electricguy we had those in school when i was about 8-9 years old
16:48 Experimentonomen i believe the mavica was rthe first camera that could do video and not have a vidicon tube
16:48 mashpriborintorg my vintage Sony GPS has a microdrive in it, only microdrive I've ever seen IRL
16:48 Electricguy nah there were digital camcorder way before the mavica digital photo camera
16:48 Electricguy cameras
16:48 mashpriborintorg search about fisrt experimental digital cameras
16:49 Experimentonomen but dident the first digicams still use vidicon tubes ?
16:49 mashpriborintorg Kodak made one with audi tape has medium, in the 80's
16:49 Electricguy http://www.retrothing.com/2008/05/kodaks-first-di.html
16:49 BotSteve Title: Retro Thing: Kodak's First Digital Camera
16:49 Electricguy exp, not sure
16:50 Electricguy these OLD digital cameras basically record a one frame video
16:50 Electricguy instead of taking a photo
16:50 mashpriborintorg I miss this one in my collection ;'(
16:50 Electricguy lol :P
16:51 Experimentonomen i always thought thats now taking photos work, a single frame of video
16:52 Electricguy back then it was
16:52 Electricguy now it just samples data from the sensor for a very short time and converts it into a picture ofa usable format
16:52 Electricguy so, well.. yeah, sort of a one frame video.
16:52 Electricguy but with different format
16:53 Experimentonomen technically jpg could be motion video too, no sound though
16:53 Electricguy yepp
16:53 Electricguy but back in the days you really recorded a VERY short video on to the tape
16:54 Electricguy to later play it back to display it
16:54 Experimentonomen i wonder how many seconds of tape each picture was, if not minutes
16:54 Electricguy yeah
16:55 Electricguy if i remember correctly, that old Kodak camera had a 30 second exposure time
16:55 Electricguy ah nah. 23 seconds
16:55 Experimentonomen oki
16:55 Electricguy it used a CCD sensor
16:55 Electricguy must have been reeeeally state of the art back in 1975
16:56 Experimentonomen btw tech support for this midi thing seem helpful, i told them my findings and they want me to send them a pic of the board to see if they have a replacement that will fit
16:56 Electricguy oh nice!
16:56 Electricguy you gotta love actual WOKRING tech support :P
16:56 Experimentonomen the eprom itself would have been 14 euros, i have a feeling by the time i get priced for the bnoard, im prolly better off just buying a used but working keyboard
16:57 Electricguy lol
16:57 Electricguy probably
16:57 Electricguy but you never know :)
16:57 Experimentonomen i wonder how sharp and focused pic rthey need, too bad i already replaced the voltage regulator
16:58 Experimentonomen but they are the ones that asked me to open the thing and thats when i found out it was fried
16:58 Electricguy a good enough pic so they can see what it is XD
17:07 Experimentonomen http://i.imgur.com/nQLbo.jpg
17:08 Electricguy that'll do good
17:09 Electricguy it may be a good idea to tell them that you have changed the voltage regulator and that it still doesn't work
17:14 Experimentonomen response with added picture sent
17:15 Experimentonomen i told them about the replaced 7805 and that i did no difference and that im assuming the prev owner hooked up an adaptor with too high voltage
17:16 Experimentonomen as well as about the blown cap, including its ratings to show that im not just a noob trying to get free replacement parts because i hooked up the wrong adaptor
17:18 Electricguy ahh okey
17:18 Electricguy good :)
17:20 Experimentonomen and i do suspect this thing have been opened before, there was a connector lay laying loose that on the sensor board of the keyboard bit sez "output" while another connector labeled "input" was connected to the main board
17:21 Experimentonomen im starting to wonder if this is actually not a genuine miditech product but rather a chinese copy
17:22 Electricguy huh okey
17:22 Experimentonomen i mean the solder joints on the through hole parts are typical cheap china noname stuff kinda joints
17:22 Electricguy well, the miditech stuff are not all the fancy.. so it may be a real one :)
17:22 Experimentonomen another thing, the company is based in germany so seeing "made in china" on the case seems a bit out of place
17:23 Electricguy lol yeh XD
17:23 Electricguy the miditech midistart Music USB keyboard is 990Sek new
17:23 Experimentonomen i expect a response like "i'm sorry but we cannot help you"
17:24 Experimentonomen this one was supposedly more than 5000sek new according to the prev owner
17:24 Experimentonomen but even he had bought it used for 200 sek
17:24 Experimentonomen so im atleast the third owner
17:24 Electricguy hehe oki
17:25 Experimentonomen and according to him it was supposed to be working
17:26 Electricguy lol
17:26 Electricguy until his son at the age of 7 years old found it :P
17:26 Experimentonomen he took it to "work" to find a suitable adapter, and thats where it sat for months, until i spotted it
17:27 Electricguy ah oki
17:28 Experimentonomen he left us earlier this week for another job at logosol
17:29 Electricguy mk
17:29 Electricguy sorry everyone if i'm fucking boring.. but i seriously got no energy left.. XD
17:30 Experimentonomen same
17:31 Electricguy i did some random poking around with my arduino punk console and kaoss pad earlier http://soundcloud.com/dashboard
17:31 BotSteve Title: Log In on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
17:31 Electricguy warning.. there are lots of low frequencies
17:34 SparkyProjects Need to login on soundcloud to hear it :P
17:35 Electricguy hmm hang on then
17:35 Electricguy http://soundcloud.com/electricguys-zoundz/arduinopc-minikp
17:35 Electricguy there
17:35 BotSteve Title: ArduinoPC MINIKP by Electricguy's zoundz on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
17:36 Electricguy don't excpect too much.. it was just a lazy test. lol
17:36 Electricguy the Arduino punk console fyi is a 8 step sequencer/noise box
18:01 SparkyProjects One reason i want to get a midi interface for the pc is so i can plug in my casio keyboard and Tenori-on.
18:01 Experimentonomen SparkyProjects, soundcard with game port
18:01 Experimentonomen or a midi to usb interface box
18:01 Experimentonomen miditech has those as well
18:01 SparkyProjects yeah, that's what i gad with the old pc, got to get another
18:02 SparkyProjects *gamecard
18:02 SparkyProjects Though a usb solution would mean i could use it on any comp
18:03 Experimentonomen http://www.miditech.de/site.php4?site_id=213
18:03 BotSteve Title: miditech international | produkte-midilink- | MIDI USB keyboard interface musonik
18:03 Electricguy http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-MIDI-Cable-Wire-Converter-PC-to-Music-Keyboard-Adapter-/380452109019?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5894b67adb#ht_3270wt_1189
18:03 BotSteve Title: USB MIDI Cable Wire Converter PC to Music Keyboard Adapter 886489018138 | eBay
18:03 Electricguy 6 bucks on ebay
18:04 Experimentonomen Electricguy, but that ebay think likely doesent work
18:04 Electricguy if you wanna be really hardcore, get this one :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-AUDIO-FAST-TRACK-PRO-4X4-USB-AUDIO-MIDI-Interface-w-preamps-/180914957573?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1f5f2d05#ht_500wt_1204
18:04 BotSteve Title: M-AUDIO FAST TRACK PRO 4X4 USB AUDIO/MIDI Interface w/preamps | eBay
18:04 Experimentonomen the m-audio audiophile soundcard i used to have, had midi ports too
18:05 Electricguy Experimentonomen, just because people on audio forums say that transistors on ebay are fake doesn't mean that ALL electronics on ebay are fake and don't work
18:05 SparkyProjects hmm, i wonder if there's any electronics in that cable (first link), if not, i wonder what the connectioons are
18:05 Experimentonomen remember that usb hub i bought on ebay ?
18:05 Electricguy yes there is a MIDI to USB converter chip
18:05 Experimentonomen it was complete and utter trash
18:05 Electricguy yes but if you buy a 4 port USB hub for like 1 dollar you can't excpect it to work
18:06 Experimentonomen the insides looked like a very poor diy attemt
18:06 Electricguy here are secveral different MIDI to USB interfaces on ebay. pick a mid priced one
18:07 Electricguy several*
18:16 Experimentonomen btw im amazed that tech support answers my emails even at like 10 at night! :o
18:35 Electricguy lol
18:35 Electricguy probably some lonely german geek.. XD
18:35 Electricguy lulz! http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/575671_435824036449143_716134339_n.jpg
18:36 Experimentonomen hm all of a sudden i feel like hooking up a 400 watt universal motor to a MOT :/
18:36 Electricguy haha :P
18:44 Coderjoe melting some enameled wire?
18:44 Coderjoe well, the enamel at least
18:45 Experimentonomen nah
18:45 Experimentonomen atm im so tired i cant even lift the motor or the MOT, i am completely 100% spent
18:46 Experimentonomen cant even be bothered ordering a pizza
18:46 Coderjoe for that dog/cat picture, it could also be captioned with "zieg heil" on the dog's part :-\
18:47 Electricguy then the dog should be doing it to this cat.. :P http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/I_Can_Has_Poland_.jpg
19:01 Experimentonomen hitler cat ?
19:17 electricguyLab yepp :P
19:17 electricguyLab btw exp, how do you think BUZ14 MOSFETs would work as a class A amp?
19:23 electricguyLab for Experimentonomen that is :)
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20:05 mashpriborintorg lol didn't Chris say that these caps are 2 dollars a piece ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/48-Tesla-Capacitor-Cornell-Dubillier-942C20P15K-F-/360454792138?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ecc7a3ca
20:05 BotSteve Title: (48) Tesla Capacitor Cornell-Dubillier 942C20P15K-F | eBay
20:06 Experimentonomen new yes
20:06 mashpriborintorg this guy sells them at gold price :p
20:06 Experimentonomen but even chris boden can tell bullshit sometimes
20:07 mashpriborintorg oh really O-o
20:07 Experimentonomen and i dont have any experience with the BUZ mosfets so i cannot answer electricguyLab's question
20:07 Electricguy *sometimes*? XD
20:07 Electricguy most of the time.. :P
20:07 Electricguy mkay
20:08 Electricguy i'm going to try this tomorrow http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XeiDFelFl9A/TqnAiKiQwKI/AAAAAAAAG5c/QTeqcM8LinE/s1600/Class%2BA%2BMOSFET%2BAmplifier%2B2SK1058.png
20:08 Electricguy but with a current source instead of resistor
20:08 Electricguy the BUZ14 is a pretty nice MOSFET for it's age. 50V and 39A continous
20:09 Electricguy 4mOhm internal resistance
20:18 Experimentonomen im headin to bed, im uber tired, nite peepz
20:50 Electricguy bedtime. night
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22:27 Monkeh They're $2 a piece. If you want to buy 50k of them.
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