Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #webwork, 2012-07-05

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14:53 aubreyja joined #webwork
15:12 mgage_ aubreyja: hi
15:12 aubreyja morning
15:12 mgage_ I'm headed up to Canton so I'll be off the grid until this evening some time
15:12 aubreyja reading some query ui
15:12 aubreyja jquery
15:13 mgage_ it's a very nice library -- you need to get used to the division of labor between html, css and javaScript, but then it becomes pretty efficient
15:14 aubreyja specifically, I'm wondering how the front page of webwork "should" look
15:14 mgage_ my version of webwork2-dev and pg-dev is pretty stable at the moment.  I finished the current revisions of PGalias()
15:14 mgage_ for the instructor or for students?  --
15:15 mgage_ we've had reports that at least some students get used to and like the simplicity of the current webwork
15:15 aubreyja for students and instructors I mean the list of courses - what to do when it gets too long…
15:17 mgage_ I see.  I've always found the list useful personally -- which is why I haven't changed it,  and think that individual schools should link into their own course from a webpage. -- but of course many don't bother to do that
15:17 mgage_ the long list can also be impressive --- it also doesn't look "finished" which I guess is the main objection
15:18 aubreyja yeah, I don't mind it either actually, but it seems like an "easy" page to try to redesign with some jquery ui :) (it's more about me learning jquery :)
15:19 mgage_ i'd like to move my webwork2-dev and pg-dev over to openwebwork/webwork2-dev.    I'll issue a pull request.  Perhaps you could do some checking and if there are no issues pull it into openwebwork?   we also need to check danny's recent submission and pull that as well.
15:19 aubreyja sure thing - I can check both of those
15:19 mgage_ take a look at the classlist3 and librarybrowser3 pages -- they also use jquery
15:20 mgage_ did you try the dmg?
15:20 aubreyja I did download it but haven't tried it yet, just open it up? Does it do installation?
15:21 mgage_ that's the neat thing -- there is no installation -- it just behaves like a new drive and you can fire up webwork from it.  There is a "start here" instruction page that tells you how to unlock the usb.
15:21 aubreyja cool - trying now
15:22 mgage_ then an applescript that starts everything up and you are ready to go.
15:22 aubreyja Did you see, btw, that John agreed to give me access to the form software, but he was overruled I guess….
15:22 mgage_ you don't need to have the dmg on a usb stick -- it can just be on your hard drive
15:22 mgage_ no -- didn't see that
15:24 aubreyja Yes, it connection with John's email re: RT training, etc.
15:24 mgage_ you can run into issues using the command line depending on your path -- so perl   check_modules  will  give you a different result from WW_test/opt/local/bin/perl   check_modules.pl
15:24 aubreyja just found it (my Downloads is huge…)
15:25 mgage_ think the rt training email went only to you
15:25 mgage_ although my email has been a little flakey
15:31 aubreyja everything seems to work except that "can't bind to port 80"….
15:31 mgage_ do you have a webserver already running?
15:31 aubreyja yes, should I shut it down first?
15:32 mgage_ yes -- you can't have two webservers both running on port 80 at the same time.
15:32 aubreyja the script should probably check for this and insert a new port if necessary or ask to shutdown the existing web server...
15:33 mgage_ good point -- take notes -- getting a really good script is a matter of constant refinements
15:33 aubreyja there we go! works
15:33 mgage_ cool
15:33 aubreyja that's cool
15:34 mgage_ I also noticed that git is not installed on the usb drive -- so if you didn't have git you wouldn't be able to update the webwork2/pg software easily
15:34 aubreyja is there some special packaging for dmgs or is this just a mac archive fromat?
15:34 mgage_ it's currently connected to my repo so you should be able to update to the current version with just a couple of git pull commands.
15:34 aubreyja it's got moodle too?
15:35 mgage_ it has moodle -- I haven't tested it yet -- but Bill Farr put that on -- he really did a great job -- I didn't realize how cool it was until David started to use it for development
15:35 aubreyja wow, it looks like he installed it on a mac and copied local/...?
15:35 aubreyja yeah, we should let him know we're now, belatedly, really impressed...
15:35 mgage_ it doesn't have the wiki on it yet -- I'm curious to see if that fits.
15:36 aubreyja these WPI people are impressive :)
15:36 mgage_ David said he already told him that, but I intend to get in touch with him as well as with Pettrucelli -- yes WPI deserves real praise
15:37 mgage_ it's kind of neat that it fits on a 4gig usb stick -- I've been trying to see if I can get remaindered lots for really cheap -- seeing as how nobody cells 4gig drives any more.  best I've been able to do is about $6
15:37 mgage_ so far
15:38 aubreyja for 8GB?
15:38 mgage_ ok -- I've sent both you and openwebwork pull requests.  I have to get packed and leave for my parents
15:39 aubreyja ok, I'll organize a web-conference for Winona - what week? week before, two weeks before?
15:39 mgage_ $6 for 4gig   -- 8gig isn't all that more expensive at this point -- so trying to squeeze things into 4 gig is just for aesthetics
15:40 mgage_ at least two weeks before  because of Mathfest possibly even 3 weeks.
15:40 aubreyja (yeah, I meant "before mathfest")
15:40 mgage_ it's just a focal point to get discussion started -- much like WW::Rochester I'd like people to be focused on some kind of project when they arrive
15:41 aubreyja so, 1 week before mathfest or 2 weeks before mathfest, to be specific
15:41 aubreyja I'm surprised you can't read my mind yet. :)
15:41 mgage_ two weeks before math fest seems right to me.  I'll be back from CA on July 18
15:41 mgage_ we're getting there
15:41 aubreyja sounds good -
15:42 aubreyja have a nice trip
15:43 mgage_ ok  I'll check in this evening to see if you found more glitches with dmg  and whether you found issues with the pull requests -- handle Danny's first -- he sent it a few days ago and I haven't had a chance to check it -- I did check the first version and raised some questions.
15:50 aubreyja this is the time zone fix, correct?
15:51 mgage_ it includes a time zone fix -- webwork2-dev has been gathering lots of fixes -- including rolling back some accidental commits for version 1 of the homework editor and class editor -- the various editors should all look distinct now so that you can compare versions
15:53 aubreyja is classlsist editor 3 "hooked up" i.e. do changes there take now?
15:54 mgage_ no -- it has a big disclaimer that the actions don't work -- I think that the editing of student names and such like does work but I haven't tested it.
15:55 aubreyja the freeman people really liked it btw
15:55 mgage_ I'm hoping to get Peter and David to finish this soon -- hopefully next week -- David will be house sitting for us while we're in California -- he'll have lots of time to work on webwork or his thesis research :-)
15:55 mgage_ cool
15:56 mgage_ I want to get the classlist "finished' and then brainstorm how the homework editor should look -- that has a bigger range for a radically new approach.
15:56 mgage_ in particular the division of labor between the homeworksets editor and the library browser could be rethought
15:57 mgage_ I've been using the library browser pretty effectively to trouble shoot PG  and problem bugs --- it's very fast!
16:00 aubreyja so, git pull origin objects that various README's and wwsh, addadmin, addprofa will be over written by merge.  Guess I should switch to a new branch to pull down recent changes
16:01 mgage_ yes -- or stash those changes -- I suspect that I just changed which perl was being called

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